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‘Longest ever’ Black Nazarene procession ends

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AS A NEW MORNING SHINES… The Black Nazarene is brought back to the Quiapo Church 6 a.m. Tuesday after a nearly 24-hour long procession, the longest ever, that "stumbled three times, and rose up three times," according to Msgr. Clem Ignacio, Parish Priest of Quiapo Church. He commended the devotees who chose to go on despite the mechanical failure of the float and being tired from the day-long procession. MATIKAS SANTOS/INQUIRER.net

MANILA, Philippines — The Black Nazarene finally returned to its home in Manila in what its parish priest claimed was “the longest procession ever” in the history of the annual religious festival.

It took 22 hours, a “wheel-less” carriage, a broken rope, and a frenzied mob to bring the Black Nazarene from the Quirino Grandstand early Monday to the Quiapo Church at around 6 a.m. Tuesday when Monsignor Clemente Ignacio celebrated mass to welcome back what has also been known as the Black Christ.

“The procession was the longest ever procession of the Black Nazarene at nearly 24 hours,” Msgr. Ignacio said in an interview.

It had “stumbled three times, and rose up three times,” Ignacio said in his address to the waiting crowd, referring to how Jesus Christ fell three times while carrying his cross on the way to Calvary.

The first time, two wheels on the carriage carrying the Black Nazarene blew out due to the weight, he said.

Brother Nick Salimbagat, who headed the procession, said they were passing the Manila hotel when it happened.

LONGEST NIGHT Devotees sleep on what free space they could find at Plaza Miranda, sometimes with nothing between their skin and the cold hard pavement. MATIKAS SANTOS/INQUIRER.net

Two more wheels blew out as the procession was nearing the Liwasang Bonifacio, just past the Manila City Hall, Salimbagat said.

It was at that time that Msgr. Ignacio personally went to the procession to check the situation, he said.

Salimbagat said that at around 10 p.m. of Monday when the procession was about to cross Villalobos street, which would have led to Plaza Miranda and Quiapo Church, the organizers thought of ending it there instead of continuing with the planned route.

One of the organizers at the Quiapo Church began appealing to the devotees at the Plaza Miranda to let the procession pass because it was late and the carriage had no wheels left.

By 10:45 p.m., another appeal, through a public address system hooked up to a van, was sent to the crowd.

But Ignacio said that the devotees carrying the Black Nazarene insisted on continuing with the original route.

The procession arrived at Plaza Miranda around 5:15 a.m. with some 5,000 devotees left waiting, huddled together and were sleeping on whatever free space they could find with nothing more than their clothes between their skin and the cold cement, Salimbagat said.

Whatever complaints there were disappeared as the tired but still eager crowd started throwing towels and towelettes to the marshals atop the carriage as the procession stopped at the Minor Basilica’s doors before the Black Nazarene was finally carried to its honored place inside the church.


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  • MANONG_ERNIE

    The parish priest of Quiapo church was asking the Nazarene devotees to exercise discipline last night and avoid throwing garbage anywhere they please. My question is……how can you exact discipline from a crowd that has turned into a mob and many of whom cannot distinguish “discipline” from “devotee”? 
     
    The term “discipline” to many of the devotees is as strange as math in school. They rarely practice “discipline” at home. They throw garbage anywhere. Drink each night in dark alleys, maltreat their children and wife more in drunken stupor…etc.
     
    The term “devotee” refers to “an ardent follower, supporter, or enthusiast”. They represent themselves as devotees of the Black Nazarene. Yet they hardly behave as one….as religious devotees exemplarily following the teachings of Christ, their “idol”.
     
    Last night showed the Nazarene crowd openly defying church authorities and the police and dirtying the streets.
     
    God does not inspire chaos, filth and utter disregard for other people’s welfare.
     
    God inspires order and discipline and respect for authority.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

    That is just pure misplaced idol worship by uneducated (religiously
    and otherwise) Catholics. Per survey, 99% of them don’t even know that what

    they are wildly chasing is just a “replica” of the original nazareno
    wooden image. It’s too sad that they wrongfully believe that they can
    get mystical power for healing, luck and protection just by touching or
    wiping the image with a cloth. It has become a crab race to be on top to
    get to the image. And this is what the Filipino has become.

    Catholic doctrine does not even support the wrong belief of these
    ignorant people that they can get blessings, power or grace from God by
    physical contact with the wooden image. They can’t; but only thru good
    practice/ application of the Bible’s teachings with abiding faith. The
    Catholic church must realize that its followers are more of a people who
    value “form rather than substance”, hence of quantity rather than
    quality. The misguided belief of these fanatics is a reflection of
    the failure of the Catholic church (clergy) to correctly educate its
    people (laity). Regretfully, the Catholic Church is tolerating this blesphemy
    for monetary and box office considerations. I should know, I am an
    educated Catholic.

    • vargassantiago24

      what is the diference between baal. anito and the black nazarene?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZUJ5PWPGPIHIHNGC66C5WHKNZA Roberto

    3 million people, what a nonsense. There was never and nowhere a black Christ in the whole world except in the Philippines where people are also not black.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W5OOMOM223FO75JYUVEA3U64IE Tsinoy

    We cannot judge how these people worship God….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZUJ5PWPGPIHIHNGC66C5WHKNZA Roberto

      They just worship a phantom which has no existence in the rest of the catholic world and not even in the bible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W5OOMOM223FO75JYUVEA3U64IE Tsinoy

    We can only watch and see these people but we don’t have the right to judge anyone..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

      Everyone has the right to judge and express his/her opinion. As an educated Catholic, I have the right to protest and correct the wrongful interpretation and application of the Catholic doctrine. What we don’t have a right to is to have our own personal interpretation of the Catholic doctrine. If you insist on this, then build your own church. But you have no right to change the basic doctrine of the Catholic Church by yourself. Neither do these uneducated and misguided fanatics no matter if they are in their millions. What the are doing is pure and simple idol worship which is totally against the Catholic doctrine and the Holy Bible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W5OOMOM223FO75JYUVEA3U64IE Tsinoy

    Catholic Church cannot judge these people…if you educate these people on how a Catholic should be you are already judging these people…and that is a sin…Let God just see their hearts and our hearts…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

      Tsinoy, where did you learn your illogical reasoning?! Since these misguided fanatics are Catholics, it is only right the Catholic church SHOULD teach its followers the correct doctrine of the Catholic Church! For example, if you want to write and speak in English, you need to study correct English. You cannot have and use your own version of English and expect others to use and understand it too. What you are proposing is mob rule. By the way I am an educated Catholic.

  • tonyoks

    i think the church people and i mean the hierarchy are very much into encouraging this “tradisyon ng panloloko” sa kapwa nating pinoy to show they have the numbers…

    “Religion is the opium of the people” 

    Sana naman ay matigil na ito….

    • vargassantiago24

      TV Shobiz is the opiate of the masses

  • alfred sanchez

    sugod na naman mga anti catholic

  • halabira

    kaya nag terror alert si kalbo para walang pumunta sa prosesyon kaso hindi ininda ng devotees ang terror alert ni kalbo at muntik ng magtago sa ilalim ng kama niya dahil akala ng PSG e yung prosesyon diretso sa malakanyang.

  • MANONG_ERNIE

    Let us call a spade a spade without fear or favour.
     
    The procession of the Black Nazarene has deteriorated into a procession participated in by fanatics, false believers, street criminals and an undisciplined throng of sadists and opportunists who does not care about hurting  other people,  flaunting their wild behaviour for the world to see or what God will say about their misplaced devotion and barbaric behaviour.
     
    Satan must be smiling or guffawing. “My flock is growing without much trying!”

  • http://www.crocphotos.com/ Catman John

    Only if this fanaticism could be channeled properly, such as expressing their protest and outrage against the corrupt politicians and bishops who keep them in a state of ignorance and poverty. Otherwise this is an example of mass hysteria motivated by false hopes of escaping to a better world, orchestrated by the same people who keep them in their impoverished state. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PAMANPK6VDGAD5BILLUVGUV6GI Minnie

    i think they should thoroughly organize this event next time. this was a disaster waiting to happen. and i saw the news last night, there was a pickpocket caught by the mob and beaten black and blue by the devotees. they were also shouting “crucify him”. really??? do they even know what they’re talking about? i think this is a devotion gone wrong.

    of course, I’m not saying all of the devotees are like that. but whatever happened to praying and piety?

  • vargassantiago24

    what is the difference between baal, anito and the black nazarene?

    • antonioluna

       they are all the same elements of paganism

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

        hi hi hi …. sige pa, tirahin mo pa ng tirahin … sigurado ka ng mapupunta sa langit nyan  hi hi hi

      • antonioluna

        hindi pagtira yan, nagsasabi lang ako ng totoo at masakit talaga ang totoo, nasusulat naman eh marami talaga ang naliligaw dahil hindi nila ginagamit ang isip na bigay sa kanila ng diyos.

  • vargassantiago24

    Sa mga hinde Katoliko sorry sainyo kase hindi nyo nakita ang Dios, kami nakita namin ang Dios kaya alam namin ang mukha. Ang Dios sa katawan ni Kristo.

    • godofthunder16

       Ano mukha nya? Yung pinta or yung bilog?

    • antonioluna

       mas mapalad daw ang walang nakikita pero naniniwala, ikaw kailangan mo pang humarap sa kahoy o bato para maniwala

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

    kakatuwa he he he … bakit ang daming nagagalit sa mga namamanata? At yung iba ang tingin sa lahat ng mga namamanata ay mahihirap at mga mangmang. Kilala kaya nila itong lahat ng mga namamanata para nila husgahan? Siguro ang yayaman ng mga pumupuna at ang lilinis ng mga budhi ng mga ito? he he he

  • summum

    Longest black nazarene procession ends… but the criticism from non-Catholics never ends… that is because they are so insecure they cannot forever muster such big crowd to show to the world that theirs is a religion to be respected.

    • godofthunder16

      Nope, what occurred yesterday was a mere display of the human mob tendency.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

        what ever you call it, it is still the longest he he he

      • summum

        yes, but they are better than the yellow mob…

      • godofthunder16

        Nope, no better.

      • summum

        yes, you are the best, a god yourself…

      • godofthunder16

        Then kneel before me.

    • Islaslolo

      Dear Summum: I am a Catholic. Don’t you think that this veneration of the Black Nazarene is a violation of the first of the Ten Commandments?

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  • antonioluna

     longest ever procession of blind fanatics

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

      o di ba, dinaig pa ang three blind mice, galing noh?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

    mas mapalad ka talaga antonioluna, ikaw na ang mapupunta sa langit hi hi hi

  • alice_in_chains

    kotoliko ako, pero hindi ako sumasamba sa rebulto. hindi ko naiintindihan kung bakit pilit sinasabing sa rebulto at kahoy nakatoon ang atensyon kapag sumasamba.

    tanong ko lang. kapag nagdarasal kayo ng taimtim, malamang nakapikit kayo, ano nasa isip ninyo kapag kausap ninyo ang dyos? ano nang imahe nasa isip ninyo? walang hanggang liwanag? madilim (kasi nga nakapikit), yun katabi ninyo (dahil dilaty kayo)? lalaking matanda na maputi ang buhok at balbas?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VYVO5BIPX6WO4IGFRGIQE3P6HY Ruben

      Nakapikit ba ang lahat na tulad mo ang mga nagdarasal?  Subukan mong idilat mo ang iyong mga mata tuwing simba at misa.  Makikita mo kung saan-saan tumitingin ang mga nagdarasal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

    That is just pure misplaced idol worship by uneducated (religiously
    and otherwise) Catholics. Per survey, 99% of them don’t even know that
    what they are wildly chasing is just a “replica” of the original nazareno
    wooden image which is kept inside a secret part of the Quiapo church. Imagine,
    millions of people trying to touch a FAKE wooden image. And they don’t even
    know that it’s just a copy, actually a fake! If you don’t believe, go ask the admin office of the Quiapo Church.

    It’s too sad that they wrongfully believe that they can get
    mystical power for healing, luck and protection just by touching or wiping the
    image with a cloth. It has become a crab race to be on top to get to the image.
    And this is what the Filipino has become.

    Catholic doctrine does not even support the wrong belief of these
    ignorant people that they can get blessings, power or grace from God by
    physical contact with the wooden image. They can’t; but only thru good
    practice/ application of the Bible’s teachings with abiding faith. The
    Catholic church must realize that its followers are more of a people who
    value “form rather than substance”, hence of quantity rather than
    quality. The misguided belief of these fanatics is a reflection of
    the failure of the Catholic church (clergy) to correctly educate its
    people (laity). Regretfully, the Catholic Church is tolerating this blesphemy
    for monetary and box office considerations. I should know, I am an
    educated Catholic.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

      sige lang ng sige one educated catholic, tirahin mo ng tirahin ang mga taong tinatawag mong “ignorant”, sigurado ka ng mapupunta nyan sa langit.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

        di mo pala alam ibig sabihin ng “ignorant”. Hanapin mo muna sa dictionary at unawain bago ka mag-react negatively. Kundi lumalabas ka rin na ignorante…..

      • Denfern

        pareha lang ibig sabihin dyan lahat. Little knowledge causes more trouble kaya pala hurting ang comments dahil kunti lang ang knowledge.

    • Denfern

      Napaka shallow naman ang analysis mo. Makikita mo naman sa Bible na sinabi doon na if you’re doing everything in the WILL of GOD, hindi naman mali yon. These people are doing it in the “WILL OF GOD”. They didn’t do that for BAD… They do it for good as what they believe. You are a LITERALLY EDUCATED CATHOLIC. Mas ikaw pa ang nagiging ignorant. Narrow-minded. Please be broad-minded on any aspect. Refrain from making comments that are hurting thousands of people. I am NOT a Catholic but I understand the situation. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VYVO5BIPX6WO4IGFRGIQE3P6HY Ruben

        How do you know it was done in the will of God?  Tell us where in the Bible does God teach is to worship the wooden statue?

      • Denfern

        Your comments seemed like you are very knowledgeable in the bible. Did you ever ask anyone involved in the procession if he/she is worshiping the wooden statue? Did you ever ask anyone in there if he/she ever adore that wooden statue as their God? Did you ever ask anyone in there if he/she knows God (Jesus Christ)? Did you ever ask anyone in there on who is truly the one he/she is worshiping?
        Don’t you ever look at the pictures of your forefathers and wish they could be of help in times of your sufferings?
        Don’t you ever consider these pictures as a way knowing who your forefathers are?
        Don’t you ever have a time when you need someone to bring your message to anyone? tu
        etc….

        The leaders of these activities are biblically-eductaed people who studied years to know the life of Jesus Christ and the bible? D
        Don’t you ever know that the bible was first complied by Catholic Bible Scholars? Pleas study the biblical history.
        This means that Catholic leaders know what they are doing and they are not teaching to worship the statue, instead they instill in the minds of the followers to respect an object that would help them remember that God is here, present in us, and the object is a symbol that somehow help the followers remember who their God is…

        Oh come on man, be broad-minded.

        ________________________________
        From: Disqus
        To: Denfern3@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 8:46 PM
        Subject: [inq-newsinfo] Re: ‘Longest ever’ Black Nazarene procession ends

        Disqus generic email template Ruben wrote, in response to Denfern: How do you know it was done in the will of God?  Tell us where in the Bible does God teach is to worship the wooden statue? Link to comment

    • antonioluna

       catholic church will not try to correct this behavior, the church benefits from it.

  • Guest

    The delay was caused by the violent refusal of the “devotees” to the proposed deviation of the procession… was that really a religious procession or a labor day rally?

    The “devotees” who were able to successfully touch the rope or have their hankies wiped on the Black Nazarene are now thinking – pwede na ulit magpahilahilata dahil darating na sa kanila ang grasya…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ yahoo-3OJXUYSOSGCTJNYDJSYO7T3GKQ

      ayos, nabasa mo ang nasa isip ng mga “devotees” he he he . Pang guinness book of world record, milyon milyon “devotees” sa Pilipinas sabay sabay humilata he he he

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

        napaka-”sarcastic” mo. Matuto ka sana makipag-debate o talakayan ng maayos at di bastos. di mo kasi kayang kontrahin mga salungat na punto ng mga may pinag-aralan….

      • Manuel_II

        Bro, you’re wasting your time, that gay (wahahahah), is a troll and do not have a valid argument.

        Just ignore (him, her, him her)  it. LOL

  • Jon70

    I wish these people read their Bibles and know the truth.

  • little_gurl

    Viva Pit Senyor!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RDR4XDMXFU2OSEJC4ZIAXIPFZQ free view

    It’s fun in the Philpiines, Longest procession ever…One for the guiness, to include how some fanatics behaved.

  • otoling

    Dala-dala ito ng sobrang kahirapan ng mga taombayan na maliliit.  Kahirapan sa ulam, makakain, sa gutom, sa trabaho at sa hustisya.  Wala na silang malalapitan, sa espiritwal – sa Diyos, na wala namang kasiguradohan.  Maliit ang tingin nila sa gobyerno na makakatulong. 

    Kung ba naman ang ginagastus ni Corona, Gloria, et al, sa defense nila ay gamitin to create jobs para sa mga tao, eh sana maganda na.  Ayaw pa kasing umamin na greedy sila, nagkamali sila.  Tapus (ayan) simba-pa-ng-simba (ekamo) na akala mo mga gagoooo na maloloko nila ang mga taombayan.  Iba yata ang diyos nila, diyos ni Abrohum. 

    Ubod ng diin ng denial-pa-sa-denial itong si Corona at lalo tong si Gloria et al, eh sila ang nag-pahirap-na-nagpapahirap sa taombayan.  Ibalik nila ang mga pera na nanakaw ng mga GOCCs during their terms, na sila ay mga nagpabaya; Malaki yun, aba.

  • alice_in_chains

    daming comments and opinions. i’ll bet my @$$ none of you ever participated in this practice. ONLI IN DA PILIPINS!

    • http://twitter.com/emigrea anonymouser

      onli in da pilipins would someone make a comment like that and not see the fascinating and potentially useful correlation begging to be made :)

    • antonioluna

      iba iyong ipinanata sa akin bro noong bata bata pa ako maniwala ka pinagdadamit ako katulad ng kasuotan ng santo tuwing simana santa hehehe

      • alice_in_chains

        hahaha san yan sa prosisyon? may mga nakasama din kasi akong matatanda noong bata pa ako. hindi mo matatawaran ang kanilang paniwala sa ganito.  saka isa pa, makikita mo naman sa pamumuhay nila na kasama ang dyos.  hindi din kasi ako naniniwala sa ganitong practices habang tumatanda ako, though katoliko ako ha. kaya ko din nasabi na kelangan tagalang maging deboto para maintindihan sila.

      • antonioluna

        hindi naman, tuwing magsisimba lang ako tuwing simana santa noon hehehe

  • quirinomayer

    ““The procession was the longest ever procession of the Black Nazarene at nearly 24 hours,” Msgr. Ignacio said in an interview.:”

    So a supposedly religious exercise is now measured by how long it was and perhaps how many people it was able to draw like summum below refers to. That means that this country will continue to wallow in its sinfulness and immorality because religious activities and experiences are measured by the wrong things. It’s not how close they bring people to Christ and how much better they resemble Him after the experience.

    People who do not care about the welfare of others so that they stampede  and who scatter waste in their wake and worst,  would go back to their sinful ways after the “longest procession” they have ever joined are hardly the kind of people  II Corinthians 5:17 refer to “as in Christ”: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”  Not even if they sacrificed a day barefoot to follow an icon said to resemble Christ. But come to think of it, the precise reason the Feast of the Black Nazarene does not bring spiritual rebirth to devotees is because they prefer to follow the wood and not Christ Himself. 

  • patriotic_act

    can a true fanatic catholic here can do a full explanation why they worship an idol? I am willing to listen, I want a hear from a “panatikong katoliko” who knows how to explain why they do such things?

    And better if they can provide me a verse in the bible (which the same use by catholics) where it is stated or said by jesus christ or his apostles or most importantly god himself that it is “ok to worship a wooden idol” because I want to read it myself.

    I am dead serious so please no sarcastic replies, I want a genuine reply from a catholic 

    thanks!

    • MayOn2012

      @patriotic_act: when you have FAITH you cannot question the devotees. because of their FAITH there were miracles happening in their lives and the scientist cannot explain this. the image is solely represents YESHUA and not literally worshiping THE WOOD itself by the devotees. If you have a pictures of your departed loved ones, how can you remember to reminisce vividly those moments were you with them? of course through staring of pictures during their death anniversaries or whatever. JUST A MATTER OF FAITH DUDE!

      • sonnygc

        There is nothing spiritual about this fiasco, there was littering all kinds of trash and garbage, plenty of injuries, lots of superstition and tradition from Mexico whose land is blighted by drugs, prostitution and people trying to escape their “Religious” but unspiritual land. One Question I have WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? is it pleasing to God to watch? Is He pleased with our religiosity and corruptness, does it change people’s hearts or boosts their ego. Pray tell what this mess is all about.
         

      • alice_in_chains

        just to add, in my observation, mostly third world countries (with insurgents) practice same or similar rites.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GDLJBVQKYUSWJAK6ICQITGFTUU Toni

        A deeper observation will reveal that countries that were under Spain practice this kind of Catholicism. It is because the Sbastards, I mean Spaniards merged the animism that was present then, with Catholicism to easily pacify the natives. Therefore, the practice is culturally ingrained in us.

      • patriotic_act

        one explanation from you thanks for replyin.. I need more definition from other catholics since ill be writing it down, im looking for something different something that has basis since nobody can indeed question ones faith.

    • alice_in_chains

      i’m under the impression you’re not catholic? im catholic but not fanatic. i think images are used to best describe or imagine who they are thinking (i.e. when praying).  just like in my previous post, i was asking how do you guys pray? who do you think of when you pray?

      • patriotic_act

        Ok thanks ill include this one, I think more catholics can give their own interpretation of it..

        anyways.. any of you catholics can say how your high priest tells you “how” to worship your representations? or a verse in the bible that can support it? since I bet a catholic priest base his interpretations on the bible..

        since I really need a basis of that interpretation.. and if its in the bible I want to read it myself

    • Patas

      Fanatics are very much different from being Devotees.
      Many of those who went to this have requests being made or as a form of thank you for the request that was granted.
      I myself, had a fervent request made in Quiapo church, and it took 2-yrs before it was granted. To think I was not doing anything related to it other than the prayer request, the ‘gift’ came to my doorstep at the time i needed it most.
      Faith, Miracle, gratefulness….you might want to seek these words for you to better understand.

      • patriotic_act

        ill include this thanks, so far all explanations given to me are all “personal experiences” altho I am still looking for “concrete basis” for worshiping an idol, since I said faith cannot be questioned but I will consider “personal interpretations” but I would really love to hear from a catholic priest himself.. a verse in a bible that will support the “idol worshiping” since I cannot question faith itself.. but I need an explanation to this tradition that simply contradicts the “wag sasamba sa dyos dyosan” verse in the bible..

        I already have a couple of explanations from people who have genuine faith to what they do..

      • alice_in_chains

        just to be fair to everyone, may we know what your faith is or sect you belong to? i believe time and again, it has been said that it is not the wood nor the rock is worshiped but what it represents. as i have said, i myself, a catholic disagrees in some of the dogmas. perhaps you can enlighten us with your perspective. no pun intended.

      • XFACTORVII

         basahin mo nalang sa bible yung part sa exodus na ang mga tao gumawa ng rebultong baka na gawa sa ginto habang wala si moises…

      • alice_in_chains

        i’m sure everyone is totally aware of that. napanood ko din yan sa superbook at flying ouse. as i’ve said, i do not totally conform with the catholic dogma. but thanks for the reminder.

      • patriotic_act

        I was born in a catholic family so obviously I was “baptized” to the catholic faith without me knowing it so I grew up a non-practicing catholic but was curious enough to attend a few masses when I was young, my grandmother then was a “faith jumper” that tried a lot of sects she brought me along all the time, I was able to take bible studies from a “Saksi Ni Jehovah” preacher and completed it but never re-baptized there, I was able to attend “Born Again Christian” fellowships in the Music Museum where I found their way of worship cool and sosyal but eventually fell out of it too I was able to have muslim friends and had a lot of insights about islamic faith and even admire their strong hold to their faith, I was also able to one time attend a protestant worship service and all others even the dating daan and INC.. all of them having that same faith that binds them.

        I had some brushed with death too that tried my faith and I also received so much blessings that made me feel I have the duty to say thanks.. but all of that the “Idol Worshiping” is the most I got curious at.. because it just doesnt make sense that catholic church use the bible but contradicts a part of it.. thats why I wanted to hear different explanations from true catholics.. 

        since catholics say the “representation” the idol brings I guess it only do justice that they also base that behavior to a “solid foundation” which is “it should have been written” so it makes it to a point that “it probably was written in the bible after all” so I want to read it.. 

        anyways I still want to hear from other catholics so that I can document all interpretations.. since that interpretation is based on their faith.. tho I really wanted something solid.. just like the idol itself.. solid in representation, so I guess there is something solid too in their “interpretation.

      • alice_in_chains

        but i guess all religions are flawed as it was all interpreted by men.  perhaps it’s best to find one that suits our morals and belief.  most importantly, if they truly pay their devotion and do not bring harm to other people.  thanks again for sharing.

      • http://twitter.com/riccisan ricci santiago

        i think you are smart enough to know the answers, or you already knew it but still not convinced. no need for a priest to come and explain everything to you. you can do that yourself and go to a nearby church. you can make a website or join a forum about it and let the people explain it to you. 

        we are bound to worship idols. nasa nature natin yan as human beings. even simple elements like sunshine, air, water, earth, animals, carved wood images, even cellphones and computers. 

        and for the bible’s verses, well, all of these can be interpreted by anyone and they may have their own explanations for it. it may help answer your questions in one way or another, but not as a concrete reference like other religions claim to be (waaah mahina ako makipag debate sa religion!)

        this is also getting off topic, for now let is be concerned for those devotees who left their trash behind and any accidents that happened. we are always forgetting that ‘we must love our brothers/sisters/nature, same as we love our God’ paano mamahalin ang kapatid at kapaligiran eh daming basura naiwan? doon pa lang mahina na tayo or ibang tao, what more if we talk about spirituality, idol worshipping, etc. etc. >>just my 3 cents

      • patriotic_act

        you have a point, but I dont want to make my own interpretation since it will be biased to what I think and will only become a mere “opinion”.

        that is why I am willing to listen to devotees, to learn their reasons and know their basis and the foundations that made them cling to it.. that is the essence I want to see for me since if faith lang naman ang pag uusapan I admire their faith.. just like the muslims who are willing to die to what they believe in.

        I have attended masses way back I was young, but the priest only preach and talk about politics.. I dont really remember anything that they justified idolatry..

        anyways thanks for replyin, thos I am still open for more, I enjoy reading personal interpretations from true catholics..

      • http://twitter.com/riccisan ricci santiago

        thanks.

      • Patas

        To others. it may have been worshipping the statue, which is totally wrong. But for many like me, the statue is only a material representation, not to be worshipped, but to be handled and treated devotion.
        Say, I am devoted to my love one, but I do not worhip them.

  • tarikan

    Mas marami ang mga devotees na sumama sa procession ngayon kesa last year. ibig sabihin mas dumami ang mga may kasalanan nagyon. I bet yung mga marshall dyan ay sila yung hari ng mangdurukot sa Quiapo. 364 days bad only one day good in a year. Si kabayang Noli de C. parang nandun din kasama yung delegation ng Globe Asiatique. Deboto din sya. Napatawad na naman ni Lord/God yung mga magnanakaw na sumama sa procession kasama na yung tiga gobyerno. Fresh start hahaha! Si kabayang Noli nakangiti na naman.

  • soccerg0d

    Being Fanatic. More Fun In The Philippines.

  • Manuel_II

    Can someone tell us why we don’t see any message coming from the Vatican with reference to this event.  Do not tell me that with 3 Million devotees the Roman Catholic in the Vatican ignore this event.

    I think they do but choose to ignore this event because it is Pagan in Nature. LOL

    The Church could have corrected this wrong way of worshiping but they
    ignore it, for one simple reason, they can attract more gullible people this way.

  • sonnygc

    Pray tell how you know this was done in the “WILL OF GOD” “they didn’t do that for bad?” is it not bad to litter, to hurt other people because of your insensitive actions, is it not bad to pick someone’s pocket? What about the others who would need to go to some place but could not because of this. Boy you sure do not have a correct view of “The Will of God” this was not the will of God my friend.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AAJC77YW7QAEACXTSSU65H25XY Plankton

    Sige lang mga kapatid, tirahin nyo lang ng tirahin ang pananampalataya ng milyong deboto ng Poong Senyor with your so called “literate” and liberal opinions…tuloy tuloy nyo lang pangwawalanghiya sa Kanya…Sya na ang bahala sa inyo after your good stay here in this world expires. Never forget, this is but just a stopover to the next life, so wag kang pakakasiguradong walang langit at lupa. Sa kahuli-hulihan ang pagtitimbang ng kasalanan at paghihiwalay ng mga gumawa ng mabuti at ng masama hindi lamang sa kapwa kundi maging sa Panginoon, Hamakin nyo lang ng hamakin at alipustain ang Nazareno. One thing I can sure you, God’s fury will come down upon you like what He did on Soddom and Gomorrah.

    • antonioluna

      don’t be so sure, your god is different from us, while we believe our GOD is powerful your god is only a piece of wood sometimes a stone, you people are asking for forgiveness and everything from a stone, maybe the true GOD will send a wrath upon you in violation of ten commandments.

  • makatotohanan

    Desperate lang ang mga devotees kasi wala silang maasahan sa pamahalaan ng kaginhawaan nang buhay. Hangang ngayon di maparusahan ang mga taong gobyerno na nagkasala sa taong bayan.

  • sonnygc

    The priests are also guilty of this sin of knowingly and willingly perpetuating this Blasphemy. They will someday stand before the REAL Nazarene and account for this abomination along with the thousands, nay millions, they led astray.

    • AliyahNoel

      LOSER KA KASI.

      Magngitngit ka sa inggit. Wala kang respeto sa pananampalataya ng iba. Yabang! Alis dyan! Arogante!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

        Bakit hindi mo harapin at sagutin ang mga puna? Di mo siguro kaya. Social
        forum ito para magpahayag ng mga opinyon, mungkahi at puna. Kung ayaw
        niyong makabasa ng salungat na posisyon, ikaw at tulad mo ang lumayas
        dito! Ignorante ka!

        Baka nga di mo alam ibig sabihin ng
        nazareno at na ang hinahabol ng milyong mga bulag at ignoranteng
        panatiko na tulad mo ay isa lamang replica (o kopya, kung di mo alam
        meaning ng replica) ng orihinal na kahoy na imahe ng itim na nazareno.
        Di mo alam ya ano? Ignorante ka kasi….

        Layas dito squatter!

  • Patas

    Dear INQ reporters Jeannete Andrade and Matikas Santos, please explain how could a caster (or castor) wheel ‘blew’ as you have reported in your article? What I saw in the news on tv, the wheel got broken from its mounting, it did not ‘blew’. Caster wheels are not inflated, they are solid wheels made of hard rubber.

  • Guest

    The main problem here in the Philippines is people tend to always force their beliefs and principles on others.  In the long run, wala naman talagang makakaalam kung yung way ng pagsamba natin e yun talaga ang tama e.  Di rin natin talaga alam kung meron ngang Diyos o wala.  Ang importante dapat e magkaron tayo ng respeto sa paniniwala ng isa’t isa.  Katoliko ka nga, pero puro tsismis naman ikinabubuhay mo.  Born again ka nga, pero tuloy pa rin pagnanakaw mo dahil tingin mo maililigtas ka dahil nagsisisi ka.  Iglesia ni Kristo ka nga pero pinoprotektahan mo yung mga nandadambong sa pinaghirapan ng ibang tao dahil lang sa sya yung napili mong iboto.  Muslim ka nga pero pumapatay ka ng kapwa mo tao ng dahil sa kalaban mo sya sa pulitika.  Agnostic o atheist ka pero wala kang respeto sa paniniwala ng ibang tao dahil nga tingin mo mas matalino ka sa kanila.

    Kakainis lang.  Yun yung kulang sa tin.  Disiplina at respeto.  Mas mahalaga sa tin na dapat tama tayo kesa tumulong sa ibang tao na nangangailangan ng tulong. 

  • justonebyte

    Ignorance Breeds Poverty… The very reason why this country and its cynically fanatic people are hopeless… with a government ruled by clowns and corruption and with an influential church urging everybody to breed like rabbits… This is a very distressing scene… 

  • AliyahNoel

    Viva, Senor Nazareno!

    Kaya hindi magwawagi ang mga mayayabang sa internet na anti-Catholic. Kasi hanggang ingay lang sila, Pero walang pananampalataya.

    Kakahiya itong mga arogante dito na nagwawagayway ng kanilang kayabangan. Alis dyan!

    • godofthunder16

      “Kaya hindi magwawagi ang mga mayayabang sa internet na anti-Catholic.
      Kasi hanggang ingay lang sila, Pero walang pananampalataya.”

      - Huh?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_647HMFJ47H6YVCPCTMZEHZJHIY One

      bakit hindi mo harapin at sagutin ang mga puna? Di mo siguro kaya. Social forum ito para magpahayag ng mga opinyon, mungkahi at puna. Kung ayaw niyong makabasa ng salungat na posisyon, ikaw at tulad mo ang lumayas dito! Ignorante ka!

      Baka nga di mo alam ibig sabihin ng nazareno at na ang hinahabol ng milyong mga bulag at ignoranteng panatiko na tulad mo ay isa lamang replica (o kopya, kung di mo alam meaning ng replica) ng orihinal na kahoy na imahe ng itim na nazareno. Di mo alam ya ano? Ignorante ka kasi….

      Layas dito!

    • antonioluna

       bakit yong sto. niño eh señor din tawag nyo?

      • mang_empoy

        Translation from Spanish po kasi iyon:

        Señor = Lord / Panginoon
        Dios = God / Diyos

      • alice_in_chains

        seriously, e yun señora?

      • mang_empoy

        Señora = Spanish word meaning Lady / Madam / Mrs.

      • antonioluna

        salamat po sa info

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GDLJBVQKYUSWJAK6ICQITGFTUU Toni

    Due to differences in our experiences and education, we will definitely have different interpretation of the essence of the Nazarene procession and devotees. My stand is ‘live and let live.” As long as their devotion makes them fulfilled and happy and does no harm to me or my fellowmen, who am I to judge them. If this devotion makes them a better person, so be it. 
    To all the self-righteous and intelligent people (or so they think) who criticize the devotees, I give you my extended middle finger.

    • alice_in_chains

      very good point.

  • http://twitter.com/riccisan ricci santiago

    hmmm, gayahin niyo na lang ako (if you like) after pumarada na ang nazareno sa sa quiapo church. doon ako pupunta at lahat ng damit tuwalya at pati kumot ko eh masanggian man lang ng banal na nazareno. no hassle pa!

    we are lucky na walang masayadong casualties now, pero pag may namatay diyan, sigurado, everything will not be the same.

    maybe they are just doing it for fun? it’s fun in the phils kung baga. 

  • XFACTORVII

    EXODUS
    32:1 At nang makita ng bayan na nagluluwat si
    Moises ng pagpanaog sa bundok, ay nagpipisan ang bayan kay Aaron, at
    nagsabi sa kaniya, Tumindig ka at igawa mo kami ng mga dios na
    mangunguna sa amin; sapagka’t tungkol sa Moises na ito, na lalaking
    nagsampa sa amin mula sa lupain ng Egipto, ay hindi namin maalaman kung
    anong nangyari sa kaniya.

    32:2 At sinabi ni Aaron sa kanila, Alisin ninyo
    ang mga hikaw na ginto, na nasa tainga ng inyo-inyong asawa, ng inyong
    mga anak na lalake, at babae, at dalhin ninyo sa akin.

    32:3 At inalis ng buong bayan ang mga hikaw na ginto na nangasa kanilang mga tainga, at dinala kay Aaron.

    32:4 At kaniyang tinanggap sa kanilang kamay,
    at niyari sa pamamagitan ng isang buril, at ginawang isang guyang
    binubo, at kanilang sinabi, Ang mga ito ang maging iyong mga dios, Oh
    Israel, na nagsampa sa iyo mula sa lupain ng Egipto.

    32:5 At nang makita ito ni Aaron, ay nagtayo
    siya ng isang dambana sa harapan niyaon: at itinanyag ni Aaron at
    sinabi, Bukas ay pista sa Panginoon.

    32:6 At sila’y bumangong maaga nang
    kinabukasan, at naghandog ng mga handog na susunugin, at nagdala ng mga
    handog tungkol sa kapayapaan; at ang bayan ay umupong kumain at uminom,
    at tumindig upang magkatuwa.

    32:7 At sinalita ng Panginoon kay Moises,
    Yumaon ka, bumaba ka, sapagka’t ang iyong bayan, na iyong isinampa mula
    sa lupain ng Egipto ay nangagsisama:

    32:8 Sila’y humiwalay na madali sa daan na
    aking iniutos sa kanila: sila’y gumawa ng isang guyang binubo, at
    kanilang sinamba, at kanilang hinainan, at kanilang sinabi, Ang mga
    ito’y iyong maging mga dios, Oh Israel, na nagsampa sa iyo mula sa
    lupain ng Egipto.

    32:9 At sinabi ng Panginoon kay Moises, Aking nakita ang bayang ito, at, narito, isang bayang may matigas na ulo;

    • patriotic_act

      I read this many times, seems this only proves that people always wanted “to see” something to believe? that faith cannot be proven thru immaterial beings? that people wanted have something they can “cling on” and something that they can “keep” or “imagine” thus negating faith? 

      I hope some true catholics can explain their interpretation of this verse and substitute a verse that will contradict this verse just like in the practice of law.. since if catholics do wanted “concrete representations” I believe they have a concrete proof that will contradict the notion that “it is forbidden to worship idols”.

      I am willing to listen.. and I will definitely read that verse since I just dont remember reading anything about it..

    • justonebyte

      Sorry my friend but these are not “Historical Facts” ..

  • Ricky070

    With the event just finished with no incident of terror incident, and the hyped up but serious announcement by President Aquino of imminent possible attack by terrorist, the procession has finished and no untowards incident happened, the terror threat is lifted.  Back to normal as usual like no threat was ever there in the first place,  while in the mean time as president aquino and the rest in the law enforcement relaxes and have a siesta, the terrorist is still at large ready to strike?  What was that hyped up, fanfare-like announcement all about?  Doesn’t the President make the hyped up, fanfare like atmosphere announcement after they caught the terrorist not before they are still at large?  Sure you should warn the public of possible terror attack, one of the Pres. cabinet could have done that but the President?  The government should not so much telegraph their every move when they are trying to catch terrorist coz that might lead them to be more ellussive and harder to find.  Pres. and the fanfare like atmosphere announcement should be ratchet it down.

  • ahabeek

    we have our rational mind at iba-iba ang katwiran at paniniwala, lagi nating sinasabi na ang ginagawa nila ay idolatry..pero di natin masisisi dhil duon sila nakakahanap ng kapanatagan at kasagutan s marami nilang katanungan sa hirap ng buhay…. tulad din ng mga taong hanggang ngaun ay sumusuporta at malaki ang pananalig at tiwala kay CGMA at Corana sa kabila ng mga batikos at kasong kanilang kinakaharap…bakit nga ba? marahil may similarity, dhil duon nila nahanap ang kaayusan ng knilang buhay at umaasa pa sa patuloy na biyayang matatanggap o kaya naman ay pagpapasalamat sa lahat ng biyayang natanggap na.

  • magayonangel

    the tradition was still alive…rich or poor came together to worship the black nazarene and no complain were made only that they believe in the faith of God…ang problema po iyon pang hindi sumama sa prusisyon siya pa ang maraming reklamo…why not respect the faith of others?

  • MANONG_ERNIE

    The Fiesta del Santo Nino (Sinulog) in Cebu  (January 15, 2012)is celebrated with religious fervour, good kind of festivity….very colorful….nobody is hurt….no pickpocket….no trash thrown around by uncouth devotees. ….etc. Multitudes of tourist come.
     
    Why can’t the Black Nazarene festivities be like the Sinulog…or the Dinagyang…etc ? They are festivities that many Filipinos can be proud of…unlike the Black Nazarene festivities that we saw yesterday. Many were hurt. Trash all around! Pickpockets had a hey day! Devotees not minding the police and the priests!

    Are the people in Manila of a lesser kind…unable to deliver a safer kind of festivities?
     
    Nakakahiya!
     
    Pit Senyor!

  • XFACTORVII

     
    EXODUS 32:4

    King James 2000 Bible 
    The Golden Calf
    1And
    when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount,
    the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him,
    Up, make us gods, who shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man
    that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what has
    become of him.

    2And
    Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the
    ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them
    unto me.

    3And all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.

    4And
    he received them from their hand, and fashioned it with an engraving
    tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be your
    gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.

    5And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, Tomorrow is a feast to the LORD.

    6And
    they rose up early on the next day, and offered burnt offerings, and
    brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink,
    and rose up to play.

    7And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get you down; for your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:

    8They
    have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they
    have made them a molten calf, and have worshiped it, and have sacrificed
    to it, and said, These are your gods, O Israel, who have brought you up
    out of the land of Egypt.

    9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiff-necked people:

  • Maykatmon

    Di mauunawaan ng ibang relihiyon ang debosyon na ito ng mga Katoliko. Hindi literal ang pag-unawa sa Bibliya, dahil maraming aklat sa Bibliya ay taliwas sa detalye ng isa’t-isa. Maling humugot ng berso upang patunayan ang isang pananaw, pakatandaan ang mga nagwasto ng banal na aklat ay ang mga sinaunang Ama ng simbahan, na malimit sadyang “mababaw” ang mga kadahilanang ginamit nila sa pagpili ng mga aklat na isasama rito. Huwag sanang gamitin ang Bibliya sa pamamaraang makakasira sa kapwa, irespeto natin ang tradisyon ng mga namamanata. 

  • XFACTORVII

     What historical facts are talking about? So you mean you dont believe the bible itself? If thats your point then you shouldnt have called yourself a christian… Read books of your scholars…

  • ahabeek

    the fruit of persistent prayer: ito ay kwen2 ng 1 matandang babae n nakatira sa makeshift carton. twing dadaan ang 1 mayamang babae, cnasabihan nya un mtanda, hoy tanda wlang mai22long ang oras-oras mong pgdarasal, magugutom klang pag di ka nagtrabaho. twina ganon ng ganuon lagi kpag nadaan siya don.. sbi ng mtanda hindi ako nawwalan ng pag-asa ang Diyos ay laging nadiyan lang…paglipas ng mga araw hindi nakatiis ang mayamang babae dumaan xa ng grocery at bumili ng 1 basket na groserya at ibinigay sa matanda. at winika ng matanda.. salamat, ito marahil ang 1 sa sagot sa aking mga dasal at ikaw pa ang ginamit na instrumento ng Diyos upang matupad ito. Ganyan din marahil ang mga deboto..

  • Paitan

    SA munting kaalaman na nakabot sa akin,, ang Kristiyanismo ay pilit na ipinayakap sa atin ng mga Prayleng Kastila ng tayo ay sinakop. Sino ba sa atin ang nakalimot na sa mahigit apat na daang taon tayo’y inalipin ng mga prayleng kastila??sabi nong matatandang nakausap ko..may dati ng paniniwala ang ating mga ninuno bago pa man nila tayo sinakop …
    Sa paanong paraan ba nila ipinilit  sa mga ninuno natin  ang dala nilang relihiyon? anong parusa ba ang naghihintay sa mga ayaw humalik at magmano sa mga palad ng AMONG..ilang mga kababaihan ang nakalasap ng pagwasak sa kapurian nila…ang kasaysayan ni Crispin, Basilio at inang Sisa na nawalan ng katinuan dahil sa sinapit ng mga mahal niyang anak..

    Walang masama kung tayo ay maniwala sa IISANG TUNAY na DIYOS…DIYOS na totoo at hindi ang ilang Diyos Diyosan na niluluhuran natin…

    Lahat ng nilalang ay ipinanganak na may pagiisip..wag nating gamitin ang salitang kung ano ang nakagisnan e yon na ang tularan natin..wag tayo mabulag bulagan sa katotohanan dahil kung manunuri lng tayo marami pa tayong malalamn sa likod ng KASAYSAYAN ng Inang Lupa at ng ating Lahing kayumanggi…

  • Meow Ming

    The most disorganized procession in the world. A yearly procession of abuse of the image of the Black Nazarene.

  • Paitan

    walang masama kung iba iba man ang sektang kinakaaniban ng bawat isa sa atin..bunsod lng yan kung paano natin ginamit ang isip natin pagdating sa usaping relihiyon..ang importante para sa akin ay sa Iisang Tunay na Diyos tayo nananalangin..dahil sabi nga IISA lang naman ang lumalang sa atin at lahat tayo ay MAGKAKAPATID…..

  • XFACTORVII

     “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for
    yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven
    above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under
    the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord
    your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the
    children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
    but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my
    commandments.

    Exodus 20:3-6

    • patriotic_act

      I read this one too many times.. it just doesnt make sense to me if one believes in the bible but can easily contradict it by actions.. I hope they can bring forward an explanation

  • XFACTORVII

     And exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

    Romans 1:23

  • XFACTORVII

     The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not
    repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and
    idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see
    or hear or walk,

    Revelation 9:20

    • patriotic_act

      now this are all from the bible.. same bible that lots of religious organizations use, this is a sample of “concrete” basis that can only be negated or debated if one “do not believe in the bible” or “doesn’t use it”

  • XFACTORVII

     “What profit is an idol when its maker has shaped it, a metal image, a
    teacher of lies? For its maker trusts in his own creation when he makes
    speechless idols!
    Habakkuk 2:18

    • MayOn2012

      @XFACTORVII: your basis comes from the old testament but if you believe YESHUA the annointed one/the messiah/the saviour based on the NEW TESTAMENT then that is happening now with these devotees who had a tremendous faith of BLACK NAZARENE as the image represents to the latter because they felt the present of the holy spirit. not like in the OLD testament they just made any images that they wanted to have (PAGAN). WE ARE NOW IN 2,012 YEARS WHICH YESHUA ORCHESTRATED HIS LOVE AND PASSION AND DIED ON THE CROSS to saved the world. Try to google search Richard Neave-a medical artist of University of Manchester who led the team for the research and study of how did Jesus look like and its complexion. a typical face of galilean semite.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

         Did Jesus have a long hair?

      • MayOn2012

        @Jordache: search google and type richard neave jesus, the answer is there by facts.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

        When God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness, then what is the image of God and Jesus? Did they look like arabs, or indians, or europeans, or even asians? Did they look like caucasians or blacks or hispanic?

      • MayOn2012

        @ Jordache=Isaiah 53:Who has believed what he has heard from us?And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?For he grew up before him like a young plant,and like a root out of dry ground;he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,and no beauty that we should desire him.He was despised and rejected by men;a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;and as one from whom men hide their faceshe was despised, and we esteemed him not.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

        So what does Isaiah 53 meant?

  • malaya1962

    let me share to you this from JSojo… sa kawalan ng pag-asa may banta man ng terorista, milyong pilipino ang patuloy na nanampalataya kahit masaktan, magutom at ulanin.. sa ganitong paraan umaasa sila ng himala na guminhawa ang buhay na di nagagawa ng gobyerno sa kasalukuyan … pity us and the next generation

  • XFACTORVII

     “‘Cursed be the man who makes a carved or cast metal image, an abomination to the Lord, a thing made by the hands of a craftsman, and sets it up in secret.’ And all the people shall answer and say, ‘Amen.’

    Deuteronomy 27:15

  • philcruz

    Madness. Sheer madness. And nobody else to blame but the Church itself. They are exploiting the members. The logical solution to all these sufferings and inconvenience is to keep the image inside the Church and ask its members to pay the image a visit for one whole week or month. But no, they prefer to see people risk life and limb. It generates more media mileage.. More propaganda effect. The Church has become a heartless animal.

  • http://twitter.com/yogon Camillo

    Processions. WAY LONGER in the Philippines!

    • turkak

      Camillo  it is the ultimate and absolute manifestation of catholic faith in GOD.

  • akOn_hEre

    1st Command: “Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
    This prohibits the construction or fashioning of “idols” in the likeness of created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them (aniconism). It also prohibits making an image of the God of Israel for use in worship (see the incident of the golden calf). Sad to say, there are still practicing this tradition until now… Idiotic people…

  • akOn_hEre

    5th Command: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them (images), nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.

    - A strong faith doesn’t require IMAGES inorder to worship GOD.
    - the real CREATOR OF HUMANITY is unique, never compare to any living things.
    - Worship GOD through hearts even without IMAGES.

  • Manuel_II

    Where is the love!!! ^,..,^V

  • turkak

    WHERE’S THE TERROR THREAT PANOT ?

  • turkak

    PANOT ABNOY MIGHT BE ASKING HIMSELF , IF ONLY I CAN MUSTER  THIS KIND OF CROWDS AND IT’S DEDICATION ?  TAPOS KA NA GMA AT CORONA. KASO SWS AT PULSE ASIA LANG AT KUKUNTING YELLOW ZOMBIES CROWD KO EH !!!

    • Guest

      Sir, matanong ko lang.  May iba ka pa bang masasabing may katuturan.  Puro name-calling lang ginagawa mo e.  Magkano ba?

      • turkak

        nightbat  masama loob mo kasi napahiya yung amo mong panot di ba Lacierda ? sabihin mo na lang sa kanya try his luck next time . May January 9, 2013 pa naman.  Malay natin sa January 9, 2013 maniwala na ang taongbayan sa terror threat ni Abnoy > di ba ? 
        Napakaskit tangapin ng katotohanan na wala ng naniniwala sa isang hunghang na pangulo pero bakit kailangan Itim na Poon pa ang magpatunay sa inyo na wala kayong nagagawa sa sambayanang Pilipinas. Taong naghihirap at desperado sa Diyos lalapit kesa sa isang lider na walang silbi.

      • Guest

        So para mapatunayan na may terror threat talaga e kelangan di talaga mapigilan? Ganun ba? Ang galing galing. Idol na kita… kung gusto ko maging tanga.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUSI2I2TRUFYEZKIDEUV6L4OZY Mike

    Please respect others’ views

  • turkak

    no matter what numerous bloggers posted here critical to the christian faith with the Black nazarene, it won’t affect the catholic faith at all. By next year’s celebration of the same,  these devotees will grow by population more because of the failures of this government to fulfill its role to uplift their lives. Desperate people turn to God for deliverance.

  • turkak

    The pilgrims did not complaint of their sacrifices in commemoration of the Feast of Black Nazarene yesterday but the bloggers who do not participate in the event are the ones complaining.
    Can’t these critics  find themselves a productive endeavour than display their jealousy over strong catholic faith online ?

  • turkak

    A MANIPULATED AND CONCOCTED SWS SURVEY IS NO MATCH AGAINST THE POWER OF BLACK NAZARENE. PILIPINOS KNOW THIS.

  • akOn_hEre

    Blah blah blah blah…. then we don’t have to make critics with the government if there will be huge explosions in the Feast of Black “N”… infact, it is a sacrifice… LOL!

  • akOn_hEre

    pssst…dont be BIAS..not all people understand what is Black “N”…

  • patriotic_act

    again I think there is no question about the catholic faith they have always displayed it and it cannot be literally questioned.

    but what I question is the basis of idolatry since the catholic say the carved idols only represent what they believe as their god and not really (altho literally) worshiping it.

    so I believe that the catholics also have a basis by doing so.. thats what I want to know, since they cannot simply say “its just faith” if they base their idolatry by “representation” I bet they also do it because they have a “written” basis.. which is in the Holy Bible.

    If they are going to argue the “Old Testament” and “New Testament” I want to know where in the new testament it is written because I really want to “see” and “read” it.. just like the catholic wanted “representation” of god in carved wood.. again I dont question their faith.. but I am only asking for basis and valid reasons for it.. since without it is already contradicting.. making blind faith useless..

    I can see that the Catholic doesnt have “blind faith” because they always base their actions and traditions to something “concrete” just like how they wanted to physically “touch” their god thru “representations” so I really wanted to see the valid, concrete and written foundations behind it.. 

    I hope more catholics can share their insights and knowledge with me 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AFDQQH2M3OD6ZGBJNJ34UZHIV4 Enrico

      Exodus 20: 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
       4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
       5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;(King James Version)

      This is written in the old testament and part of ten Commandments.

      • patriotic_act

        I know, I have read it many times, I just wanted to know if the catholics have a written basis for their idolatry since they also use the bible.. because if they dont then its already contradicting for them doing idolatry and using the holy bible as basis of their doctrines at the same time.

    • mang_empoy

      Thank you for your openness of mind and for not judging us. I am a catholic and it is my fervent hope that in spite the differences in belief or the lack of it will not hinder us from establishing respectful dialogue and genuine collaboration.

      We catholics do not worship statues found in churches. Even if we deny this I know very well that others will continue to accuse us of such. I understand their doubts because there are instances when we catholics “appear” to be paying too much attention to the object rather than to the reality it represents. But the Catholic faith is crystal clear on this matter: we do not worship any material representation (be it sculpture, painting, etc.) of a spiritual reality which is God. They are only visible and palpable representations that seek to guide and elevate the attention, prayer and worship of the person to God.

      In the Old Testament, God is represented in rich imagery: as mother, as king, as shepherd, as warrior, even as a hen gathering her chicks. The representation reached its perfection in the New Testament when God assumed our humanity despite of our imperfection, the Word became flesh: Jesus. (Here it is no mere representation but embodiment or incarnation). This goes to show that God does not abhor created matter (i.e. human creature) because he created everything good.

      The point is, if there are representations of God in pictures, paintings, film, or sculpture, let us accord them due respect not for the object per se but for the reality (God) they seek to project or represent. God bless!       

      • patriotic_act

        indeed and well said, altho where can I read that line “here it is no mere representation but embodiment or incarnation”? or is it written or just a description?

        anyways pardon me if I ask, since I dont really remember reading something like representation in the old testament that was actually commanded to be “worshipped” I remember reading that representation but for the purpose of “description” or “describing” (ie hen gathering her chicks or shepherd) to fully understand the lord god’s way but I wasnt able to read a direct command to worship that representation..

        again I have nothing against respect and faith of the catholic people but what I am curious about is the concrete foundation that directly upholds “idolatry” itself.. just like what I said it is clear in the bible how many times god himself stated that no other god specially made by man nor carved in wood or gold etc will be worshiped other than him.. that even the “representation” thing wont do justice as god himself stated in the bible is a “jealous god” thus to think that even the “replica” of the black nazarene was considered.. it technically contradicts everything if I am going to base it on what I read from the bible and what I experienced being a catholic when I was young..

        I can see that you have an open mind and you wont be insulted by the way I ask these questions, but I just wanted to “understand” these “idolatry” because if faith or respect to your religion alone.. I wont question that.

        hope to hear from you again

      • mang_empoy

        Patriotic act, I’m glad to encounter people like you who, although not agreeing with everything the Church teaches, is respectful and open to dialogue.

        You cannot find my exact statement in the Bible but the concept of incarnation or embodiment, yes. In the beginning of John’s gospel is a familiar phrase to you: “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us” (Jn 1:14).

        “Became flesh” = en carne (this is the biblical basis of incarnation); nagsa-karne o nagsa-laman (which became the Filipino translation: nagsakatawang-tao).

        In carne – in the flesh of a human being, not just any animal flesh or carne.

        You are perfectly right to say that no material or earthly representations can do justice to God who is spirit and who is beyond every imaginable representation. That is why the Catholic Church is firm to say that they are images or representations and not God.

        What is idolatry? Idolatry is the incapacity to distinguish a representation or image from the reality it seeks to represent. The statues you see inside the Churches are “representations” and not “idols”. Even if you see a catholic kissing a crucified statue of Jesus, he or she is doing it to express respect or affection towards the reality that the crucifix is representing. Now if a catholic does that without distinguishing the true God from the image then that is idolatry. When they say that this image, this very image I’m holding in my hands, is God Himself in the strictest “univocal sense”, then that is idolatry. That catholic must be corrected. 

        Have a nice day! 

           

      • patriotic_act

        yes I do know the exact verses that it was mentioned and I agree with your “definition” of representation, you have described it right.. and I am not really asking about the statues in churches I specifically wanted to know if what the Nazarene Devotees are doing (ganging up and following, clinging on the statue) is “warranted” by the holy book.. it is obviously a fanaticism of sort as I know statues in churches are mere representations but the black nazarene is no longer a representation at all for those devotees.. it is evident on how they “treat” it.. even the mere replica was mobbed..

        what I want to know from you being a true catholic is “does that devotion to a representation” is commanded in the bible? yes I know it is not mentioned there “Not to build” representations “per se” but treating it like something else like the devotees do is already contradicting even to the notion of representation merely to “visualize” someone..

        now I want to know.. why does the catholic church allow that to happen? they are catholics but they are obviously deviating from the doctrine of the catholic by treating the representation not like a representation.. but something else.. does that mean that the catholic church allowed it for the sake of “tradition?” if so it is dangerous since tradition always starts from trends.. and trends arent always “right” specially if it is not commanded on the holy book..

        as for respect for representation this is also contradicting already as the devotees are clearly ganging up on the statue without thinking its sake and for others.. the wheels snapped it took time to return to the church, people getting hurt.. it is far more respect.. they are no longer treating it as “mere representation” but already something that affects them.

        again I have nothing against your definition because you have explained it well, what I need to know is if the practice is written in the holy book? or a “mere tradition” that was tolerated by the catholic church? because it will no longer be justified because it is no longer “commanded” in the holy book..

        that is unless the catholic church will no longer use the holy bible as the basis of their doctrine and start to “trend out” behavior to be “tolerated” in the long run solely for the reason that it “works” uniting the people..

        your thoughts?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AFDQQH2M3OD6ZGBJNJ34UZHIV4 Enrico

        Mang Empoy Ganito rin ang nangyari sa mga Israeli nuong umakyat si Mose sa Mt. Sinai, naghahanap sila ng representation kaya napilitan ang paring si Aaron na gumawa ng image ng gintong baka at sinamba nila ito……O yung bronze snake na ginawa para gumaling ang mga natuklaw ng ahas na nakasulat sa book of numbers…sinamba rin nila ito kaya later on pinasira ito ng Dios.

        Dapat siguro na sirain na lang yang black na nasareno at marami pang idols sa loob ng simbahan dahil sinasamba(niluluhuran, hinahalikan, nililinis, pinagsisilbihan at dinadasalan) na ito ng karamihan sa katoliko regardless na sabihin ng church na di dapat sambahin.

      • patriotic_act

        this is true, it represent the notion that when the people got tired of waiting for moses who went up the mountain to receive the 10 commandments the people’s faith withered and to save it they made a “representation” which was obviously angered the lord god.

        the obvious truth is that the lord god wanted his people to “have faith” but it is obvious that people “need representations” to “keep their faith” because they have something to “look”, “touch”, “feel” and imagine upon.. the basic human senses but it was also the same narrative that god himself was “angered” by it..

        does this mean that those people will only keep their faith on something they can actually see? that they can easily throw their faith away on something immaterial?

        I really hope I can get more concrete and “represented” (written) answers from our catholic friends.. as they are the only ones who can answer these question.. because as I can see it the way catholics contradict the bible thru their idolatry it will only be justified for them to ditch the bible itself as their basis.. no insult intended but I am only speaking on the basis of what I read on the bible.. the very same bible that catholics use..

      • mang_empoy

        Enrico, may point ka sa sinabi mo. Katunayan, isa yan sa pangunahing basis kung bakit ipinagbabawal sa commandment ang mga tinatawag na “Idols”.

        Sa konteksto ng Exodus na iyong nabanggit, mayroon talagang tendency ang mga Israelita, tulad ng mga ibang sinaunang tribu at sibilisasyon, na sumamba sa mga idolo.

        Ang isang representation o imahe ay nagiging idolo kapag ang mga tao ay walang kakayahang suriin at kilalanin ang pagkakaiba ng isang materyal na bagay at ng Diyos. Samakatwid, bilang idolo ang rebulto ay hindi na lamang rebulto kundi Diyos mismo, walang pinagkaiba o distinction.

        Yan ay labag talaga. Hindi ito ang itinututo sa amin ng Simbahang Katoliko.
        Para sa isang katolikong tulad ko, ang imahe o rebulto o larawan ay representations lamang na sumasalamin sa isang realidad na hindi natin lubos mawari o maarok ng pag-iisip: ang Diyos.

        Igalang ang mga imahen alinsunod sa realidad na kanilang inilalarawan ngunit huwag silang sambahin bilang Diyos. Ito ang malinaw na turo ng Simbahan.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

        Mang Empoy mawalang galang lang po, wala sa Biblia ng representasyon ng isang REALIDAD ng isang MATERIAL na bagay na dapat IGALANG. Nagpapalusot lang po kayo. Pasensya napo pero hindi po ako nambabastos. Ang paraan na Pagluhod at pagsamba at panalangin sa mga materyal na bagay ay wala po sa utos ng Dios. Hindi po namin sasabihin ito kong wala po kaming MALASAKIT sa TAO. Meron po sa Catholic doctrine po sumamba, dumalangin sa mga materyal na bagay na gawa ng kamay ng tao na Mahigpit na Pinagbabawal ng Dios. 

  • dongkie

    if you are not a devotee..you will never understand why…….God Bless us all

  • antonioluna

     ibang klase rin ang takbo ng utak mo, ampaw, mag gusto mong matuloy yong banta ng terorismo, mas gusto mong may mapahamak, kahanga hanga.

    • turkak

      antonioluna  yun banta ng terorismo nasa loob lang ng utak ng nagpakalat nito. Kaya nga marami di naniwala dito. Tapos na okasyon naniniwala ka pa din sa  wala at haka haka. Kawawa ka naman. Pero wag kang mag-alala lalabas uli yan sa January 9, 2013.

      • antonioluna

        ampaw ka talaga ano, ang banta ay pwedeng gawing akto mismo pagkatapos ng pagbabanta at pwede ring hanggang banta na lang, huwag mong insultuhin ang nagbigay ng babala dahil lamang hindi natuloy ang banta, insultuhin mo ang sarili mo dahil wala kang sapat na kakayahan na mag isip ng tama.

  • akOn_hEre

    thumbs up to patriotic_act and Enrico: those behind the false sources, read more doctrines, make more and more research about the holy books, don’t be bias cause GOD created you with fair of eyes and ears.. Use those in proper way and GOD will show you the STRAIGHT PATH…

  • jin2012

    To deny the words in the Bible is to deny what Christ spoke here:

    Matthew 5:17-20 (Christ speaking, who by the way quoted scripture from at least 24 books of the Old Testament)17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Galatians 5:20-21
    “idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I WARN YOU, AS I DID BEFORE, THAT THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”

    Isaiah 42:8 My name is Yahweh God, I will not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols. 

    2Corinthians 6:16 The temple of God has no common ground with idols, and that is what we are, the temple of the living God.

    1John 5:21 My little children, be on your guard against idols.

    Leviticus 26:1 You must make no idols; you must setup neither carved image nor standing stone, setup no sculptured stone in your hand, to prostrate yourselves in front of it, for it is I Yahweh who am your God.

    Jeremiah 10:14-15 …his images are nothing but delusions, with no breath in them. They are nothing, a laughable production…

    Deuteronomy 7:25-26 You must set fire to all the carved images of their gods, not coveting the gold and silver that covers them, take it and you will be caught in a snare, it is detestable to Yahweh your God. You must not bring any detestable thing into your house … you must regard them unclean and loathsome.

    1Corinthians 10:14,20 – This is the reason, my dear brothers, why you must keep clear of idolatry … the sacrifices that they offer they offer to demons who are not God. 
    Ezekiel 14:6 The Lord Yahweh say this: Come back, renounce your idols and give up all your filthy practices.

    Exodus 20:2-17 (Ten Commandments) Do not have any other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I Yahweh your God am a jealous God.

    Isaiah 40,18 To whom could you liken God? What image could you contrive of him?

    2Corinthians 5:7 We walk by faith, not by sight.

    John 4:23-24 God is a spirit, and those worshipping him must worship in spirit and truth.

    Galatians 5:20-21
    “idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I WARN YOU, AS I DID BEFORE, THAT THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”.

    • patriotic_act

      now all of this I have read and it is clear, it was certainly written to be practiced unless one wont use the bible as a basis of faith.

    • Rocky6076

      You can religiously follow all that are written on the bible but in the end it is your love for your fellowmen that will make you a man,it is not how good are you in quoting the bible don’t be hypocrite.

  • Jason Baguia

     Brothers and sisters, this is not idolatry:

    Deuteronomy Chapter 4. God commanded:

    15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16
    so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an
    image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.
    ——————————————–

    When Christ was born, when God became man, God became visible, in the words of Saint John in his first letter: something we have heard, seen, touched.

    Therefore, an image of God could already be made. And anyway, even in the Old Testament, David danced in front of the Ark of the Covenant, a sign of God’s presence that featured the images of two angels (that’s just one example of images being made in the Old Testament). So the Bible does not absolutely forbid the making of images; only the treatment of images as God.

    • patriotic_act

      I dont know about how the catholics perceive the Lord Jesus Christ to be but what I see there is another contradiction of what is written les I wont stray out of topic..

      Anyways I agree that the making of images that glorify god is not prohibited, it was even the finest gold and materials that would be handled by the best carpenter and artist was chosen to build the tabernacle that housed the ark of the covenant.. altho I dont remember the king david dancing infront of it (can you be so kind to include the verse itself so that I can read back?) it was said in the bible that god is glorified by the things of beauty and importance when it comes to worshiping him.. the tabernacle itself is a mobile/collapsible church where moses and aaron preside worship services during the long search of israel..

      but it still doesn’t vindicate idolatry.. so it still missed the point.. but thanks anyways for your share of insights, it makes this search for concrete explanations more “productive”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X33K5OGZVRI3FFY6XEJOQMZTCU Lacsboy

    Verily, christianity is a false religion.
    I’m sure you have asked yourself the question; “Why did God created me?” or “What is it that God wanted me to do?” or “Exactly who is God, anyway?” “Why do we believe in ‘original sin?” and “Why would the sons of Adam be forced to accept his ‘sins’ and then as a result be punished forever. But if you asked anyone these questions, they would probably tell you that you have to believe without asking, or that it is a ‘mystery’ and you shouldn’t ask.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X33K5OGZVRI3FFY6XEJOQMZTCU Lacsboy

    And then there is the concept of the ‘Trinity.’ If I would ask preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how ‘one’ could figure out to become ‘three’ or how God Himself, Who can do anything He Wills to do, cannot just forgive people’s sins, but rather and had to become a man, come down on earth, be a human, and then take on the sins of all people. Keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the whole universe and does as He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we know it.

  • ericag_ph

    I wonder when this will be read during mass.

    Psalm 135:15-18

    15The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by the hands of men.
    16They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but they cannot see;
    17they have ears, but cannot hear, nor is there breath in their mouths.
    18Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them. 

    Rocky6076,
    – How sad you are judging a christian for quoting the bible, I thought only God and Jesus could judge another person.

    • jr christian

      The very reason why the Philippines has so much tragedies because of lack of the knowledge of the Holy Bible.
      It says in Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” ~ Hosea 4:6.

      Idolatry is an absolute abomination and mockery  to the LORD.
      Exodus 20:4-5, it says: “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X33K5OGZVRI3FFY6XEJOQMZTCU Lacsboy

    In the name of Allah, the most beneficent the most merciful.

    May I suggest to the seeker of truth do the following NINE STEPS to purification of the mind:
    1.) Clean their mind, their heart and their soul real good.
    2.) Clear away all the prejudices and biases
    3.) Read a good translation of the meaning of the Holy Quran in a language that they can understand best.
    4.) Take some time.
    5.) Read and reflect.
    6.) Think and pray.
    7.) And keep on asking the One who created you in the first place, to guide you to the truth.
    8.) Keep this up for a few months. And be regular in it.
    9.) Above all, do not let others who are poisoned in their thinking influence you while your are in this state of “rebirth of the soul.”

    The rest is between you and the Almighty Lord of the Universe. If you truly love Him, then He already Knows it and He will deal with each of us according to our hearts.

  • vargassantiago24

    muslims = morons

  • Pinoy_Reich

    It’s spiritual alright, as spiritual as free solo climbing a 2000 foot drop cliff lolz!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    ikaw ang moron tarantado.. paano naging equal eh spelling pa lang mistake ka na.. bugok ka..wala kang utang na loob… hak hak! kakatayin ko kaung mga kristiano… naging kristino lng kau dahil kay magellan.. wahahaha… si lapu lapu ay muslim… pinugutan nya ng ulo si magellan.. ganun rin gagawin ko sa inyong mga kristianong kumakain ng baboy.. mga baboy kayo..! ang sarap mo sigurong katayin varagasantos.. hak hak!

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    ipang gatong nyo na lang ang itim na kahoy na yan…sigurado akong malakas ang ibubuga nyang apoy.. try nyo kaya mga uto uto…wahaha.. hak hak! halika vargassantiago..gugupitan ko dila mo…hinayupak ka…hak hak!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q63T77SMB66VZC2NXWXIAUQ2NA carlos

    this only shows that Filipinos have a heart. they follow the dictate of the heart. because if they don’t, life becomes meaningless, useless. it makes or breaks them but it makes them what they are, resilient. it was not the church or politics that attracted the crowds, it was the Black Nazarene. replica or not does not matter. the Black Nazarene symbolizes the living faith in the people. this enduring practice should ‘Open the Eyes’ of both the church and political establishments. the church to confine its attention and guidance on matters of faith and divine laws. the politicians to confine its attention in uplifting the physical and social needs by faithfully implementing and strictly adhering to human laws. it may be slow in coming because of its cultural history, but the Filipinos is not a loss cause. sincerely give them something to believe in and they will deliver. for the betterment of the country but most especially of their own self.

  • tumbokin

    The church remains to be a very influencial institution as evidence with the crowd turnout  this could have been utilized as edsa IV ….
     Ponder on this ….
    Only the church can assemble such a great number at no cost to them. Relgion still remains the opium of the masses.

    • Manuel_II

      Yeah right, i still remember this, forcing grade and preschoolers into the street by Teacher-Nuns, that is something not be proud of, now go back to your side of the corner and stay there.

  • turkak

    Goodbye Terror threat  !!!, expect to hear from you next year, same day, same time.

  • BCon

    When we kiss, light a candle and offer flowers (the Chinese, food) to a photograph of a dearly departed, do we offer those to the photo paper? Of course not, but to the spirit of the person it is showing. THAT IS WHAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS SHOULD ALWAYS REMIND THEIR PARISHIONERS LEST THE ACT BECOMES AN IDOLATRY.  

     This annual Black Nazarene procession, I would compare to the annual pilgrimage millions and millions of muslims make to Makkah. The Black Stone inside the Kaaba is simply there to unite them in prayer. When they kneel down facing it (some kiss it, some even bang their heads on it,)  they are not worshiping it, but Allah which it represents. 

    Actually, I think God has realized this human need (quirk, since time immemorial) thus He told Moses and Aaron to construct the Ark of the Covenant where the Hebrews can pray to. Remember they were carrying this Ark with them procession style when they toppled down the walls of Jericho by merely shouting and trumpeting  and with the belief that God was with them?

  • Fossil William

    disciplina ang kaylangan ng mga tao hindi mahabang procession………

    • turkak

       Fossil William  nagsimula yan sa iisang taong di marunong rumespeto sa batas. Kung ang isang pangulo mahilig sa kabalbalan at bastos  malaking impluwensiya ito sa mga kababayan niya. Ano magagawa ng pilipino kung mismong lider niya eh! walang disiplina din. Natural lang na sumunod ito.

    • turkak

      Fossil William  humaba ang procession dahil dumami ang desperate at naghihirap sa buhay. Desperate people turn to God for deliverance. Expect more devotees next year because of failures of this government to deliver and more terror threats from this government to dissuade devotees from this celebration.

  • jr christian

    The very reason why the Philippines has so much tragedies because of lack of the knowledge of the Holy Bible.
    It says in Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” ~ Hosea 4:6.
     
    Idolatry is an absolute abomination and mockery  to the LORD.
    Exodus 20:4-5, it says: “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

  • paitoon707

    Pnoy and the whole administration were put to shame when nothing happen of their warning that there there will be terrorist attack on the procession.  It just confirmed that this government is really clueless.

  • Fossil William

    (to turkak) Do not blame it to the president….. it is in general…I noticed your messages, it is always pointing to the government I do not really give a S**t about the government. No one can save you but yourself.

    • turkak

      Fossil William   ”  No one can save you but yourself.” This is an absolutely wrong premise, it is the Lord Almighty that can save mankind  from diablos like Pinoy and his cohorts-impaktos. 

  • jr christian

    GOD is Spirit and we should worship HIM in Spirit and Truth. In John 4:21-24, Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

  • jr christian

    GOD is Spirit and we should worship HIM in Spirit and Truth. In John 4:21-24, Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    The very reason why the Philippines has so much tragedies because of lack of the knowledge of the Holy Bible.It says in Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” ~ Hosea 4:6. Idolatry is an absolute abomination and mockery  to the LORD.Exodus 20:4-5, it says: “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
    The very reason why the Philippines has so much tragedies because of lack of the knowledge of the Holy Bible.It says in Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” ~ Hosea 4:6. Idolatry is an absolute abomination and mockery  to the LORD.Exodus 20:4-5, it says: “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

    • Hfxwst

      I disagree –  there is rather good knowledge of the Bible in the Philippines – unfortunately there is confusion between religion and superstition.  There seems to be a belief you should pray for favors or gifts and of course that is superstition.

      This confusion works well in 3rd world countries where education is weak or edited to fit the religion itself,  and results in the type of extreme religious actions we have just witnessed.  The local religious leaders use this extremism to extend their economic control and increase their revenues.  That is exactly the situation here in the Philippines. 

  • Fossil William

    People joined this procession hoping their wishes will be granted then leave it all to god and just sit there and wait….

  • peach black

    jr christian. . . tigilan mo nga kami. the holy bible is full of god’s blood-curdling cruelty, immorality at its crudest, perversion of all kinds. napaka-naive mo.

  • Hfxwst

    Wow –  this looks like something that happens in an extremist Muslim country.  Rather like Moses descending from Mt. Sinai to find the Israelites worshiping a golden calf! 

    Someone should advise Rome that the Philippine Catholic Church has gone rogue.  I knew the bishops were out of control and seeking celebrity for themselves, but never realized it was this bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Zahl/1670371040 Steven Zahl

    GULLIBLE Pinoys

  • paitoon707

    Looking at the pictures of the procession,  it is very obvious that many filipinos are still fanatics.  I don’t believe God approves those practices where hundreds are wounded and in some instances many died.  Many pinoys are poor because of their saying,  ”bahala na ang Diyos”   The best way to satisfy God is just to follow what God commands and that is to love God above all else and to love your neighbor as yourself,  nothing less nothing more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L5CYQ44WKYBBQ6AYCVF33JC2IU palmer

    If people of the Philippines would stop submitting themselves to this doctrine of idolatry inspired and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church, blessings would come to the beautiful filipino people and their lovely and wonderful places. 

  • Populovich

    1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came to all the people, and said, “How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.” But the people answered him not a word.

    Psalm 4:2 How long, O you sons of men, Will you turn my glory to shame? How long will you love worthlessness And seek falsehood? 

  • peach black

    denfern. . . if there’s a book that must be condemned for egeregious amounts of cruelty, immorality, perversions of all kind and unspeakable vindictiveness of GOD. . . it is the BIBLE. read it and weep.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

      Peach black, your mind is pitch black as the night. Excuse us if we feel that your heart is soo full of hatred and no love.  

    • Guest

      You haven’t even read the bible.  You’re just basing your comment on some other comments you read.  Please.  Don’t try to act smart.  Clearly, you’re not.

  • kismaytami

    This one’s for Ripley’s Believe It Or Not, 9 million suckers gather together to celebrate idolatry. LOL!

  • jin2012

    Someone asked Jesus what is the greatest commandment of all.

    (Matthew 22:36-40)
    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
    38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
    39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
    40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Comment:…. SO, If you love God, you must love God the way God wishes to be loved, NOT the way “we” think is right by doing the “detestable” things (ie. idolatry, veneration/worship of images) God has already commanded this countless times in the Bible (Refer to:  Galatians 5:20-21, Isaiah 42:8, 2Corinthians 6:16, 1John 5:21, Leviticus 26:1, Jeremiah 10:14-15, Deuteronomy 7:25-26, 1 Corinthians 10:14,20, Exodus 20:2-17, Isaiah 40:18, 2 Corinthians 5:7, John 4:23-24, Matthew 5:17-20, 2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    If you don’t understand this simple thing, ask hour spouses how they wish to be loved and respected, then try doing the opposite…observe how badly/angry they will feel about it.

    Romans 1:25
    “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created 
    things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRAW44OT6I5PN3WQEG4MWUXW2M Jordache

      Amen 

  • akOn_hEre

    blah blah blah, bakit pa kailangan ng representations o image o rebulto para sumamba? Sigurado bang iyan ang mukha ng ALMIGHTY GOD? Respect the UNIQUENESS of GOD. Don’t compare GOD with just a piece of woods, stones, etc… GOD has no representation. HE is the creator of all living or non living things. GOD did not command us to make and worship IMAGES, REPRESENTATIONS, etc… HE sees you’re heart, mind and soul. Directly pray for HIM deep within your heart, mind and soul.

    Now, we are living in a modern way of thinking. So sad there are still many ignorants people believing with magics and miracles in which they have created.

    I don’t see any other meaning of that stupid procession rather seeking of miracles.

    Here is my RECOMMENDATIONS:
    - The government should provide more jobs for those poor people inorder to halt those stupid tradition.
    - Issue more JOBS, JOBS, & JOBS.
    - Provide free medical services.

    ETC…. and remove the TAXATION in the philippines.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    hahaha…ang dami nilang mga ignorants…yan bang itinuro sa kanila ng priests nila?sabagay,tao nga lang sila…nobody is perfect kumbaga..it’s time to change mga KAFIR…napanood ko rin ung “the ten commandments”…ganyan na ganyan rin ung procession na ginagawa nila nung maiwan sila ng propeta…hahaha! hanggang ngayon pala meron pa ito…nakakatuwa naman sila…parang monkey mentality… waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    nightbat -> use your common sense since you are blind of reality… waaaaaahhh!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    pag nakita ko yang itim na kahoy, ipang gagatong ko yan…naku, may milagro kayang mangyayari? kahapon lang tinira ko ng pitikan ung batong babae sa loob ng simbahan…na biyak? waaaaaaaahhh! takbo ako agad bka mahuli ako ng pari…….hahahahahhaha! kakatuwa….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    mang empoy, kamukha mo ba si empoy? waaaaaaahhhh… gagawa ako ng image mo, tapos kabit ko sa ibabaw ng toilet bowl namin….waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W5OOMOM223FO75JYUVEA3U64IE Tsinoy

    Whatever it is…no one and nobody has the right to judge…For those who do not believe any explanations is not enough…and for those who believe you don’t need any explanations…We can just watch and observe but we cannot judge anyone’s heart….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W5OOMOM223FO75JYUVEA3U64IE Tsinoy

    Religious images are clearly written in the bible…check Exodus in the old testament….God even commanded to build any religious images…God never wants to be worship though…God just wants to have a relationship with us….God not even prefer the Holy Bible and even Quran to be the best books to be read…even without the bible and quran in doing good or bad our conscience always speaks…and that is the natural law….God exist and no matter what no one has the right to judge….Just leave everything to God….that’s why we are called Catholics….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    Hoy TSINOY…patay kang intsik sa akin…alam ko wala kayong holy books dahil puro pagkakarate inatupag nyo…wala rin kaung paniniwala sa ALMIGHTY GOD dahil sarili nyong ancestor ang sinisimba nyo….wahahahaha! BUDHA raw….. isang bala ka lang! BeNG! waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KAF44POTOW73T7FQLTL5ZDRBMM Virus

    wag ka ng magpakatanga nightbat dahil TANGA ka na dati pa..waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! use your sense ability mr. batman…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!



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