Saints, not ghouls, go marching in Bulacan

Pati ba naman costumes pinatulan pa ng Catholic church…pati si Satan dinamay pa sa usapan. You would know clearly what the ‘PRIORITIES’ of religions are: in the AFTERLIFE– not on the present realities, not on this earth. They would not mind the suffering of millions in poverty without maternal and child health care, they would not mind supporting an all-out war in Mindanao. They would busy themselves promoting teachings that are useless to us. They will strike fear of Satan, of death, of satanic costumes…they like the idea that we are fearful of Satan and God which are in fact not real. Religion will only cease to exist if we let go of these fears.

“dressed in pristine robes and radiant veils and garments to emulate some of the saints and martyrs venerated by the Catholic Church.”

very BORING halloween costumes ‘yan para sa mga bata. 

at isang indoctrination practice ng simbahan katoliko ‘yan na itinuturing na child abuse ng mga human rights advocates.

Para sa akin medyo tagilid yung suggestion ni Fr. Quitorio. Maganda ang hangarin pero hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon applicable. Sabi nya: “There’s nothing wrong with costume parties on Halloween as long as the costumes and symbols used are the ones that would enhance one’s faith and values.”

Una, tama sya na kailangang gayahin ang mga mabubuting halimbawa ng mga santo PERO…

Pumupunta ka ng Holloween party para mag-enjoy at magbigay saya/takot sa pamamagitan ng costume mo. Hindi ka nandoon para mangaral, may tamang lugar para doon.

Yung costumes, may buntot at sungay man yan, hindi ibig sabihin na “we are glorifying Satan”. No! We are just seeing the lighter side of things we usually categorize as “scary”.

Again, maganda ang hangarin pero applied sa maling context (Holloween party). Kapag ginawa mo yan, ang labas mo = Kill Joy!    

The practice of celebrating All Saints’ Day is actually a pagan feast that the pope then copied to appease the pagans and win their political support. Read the Bible and you won’t find any mention about such celebration.

“There’s nothing wrong with costume parties on Halloween as long as the costumes and symbols used are the ones that would enhance one’s faith and values,” Quitorio said.

talagang walang mali sa mga costumes ngayon ng mga halloween parties.

ang totoong mali ay ang mga turo at pangaral ng mga pari at obispong DAMASO ng simbahang katoliko.

By the way Jomex, how about you, what have you really done for the poor?

@renato: Not sure why I have to tell you and everyone here what I do to poor people..and how your question fits in the discussion…but I will gladly tell you. I have donated to Oxfam, I am helping my poor brothers and sisters in the Philippines (not sure if that counts to your definition but they are still poor), I have donated a few hundred dollars and some clothing during the typhoons Ondoy and Pedring and helped sent them to Philippines, I have helped put up a few hundred dollars together with fellow classmates to help a fellow classmate during his sickness. I am not a rich man but I can still help other people. As an atheist, I am not forced to do good things to other people just to please a god.

Well done Jomex, may you continue to be generous especially for the poorest of the poor. Thanks for sharing your good deeds. 

difficult finding the right words for these people. zealots… bigots…xenophobes… fanatics. definitey narrow minded and hypocrites.      pity the poor children brainwashed so early in life

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Usually when we import common traditions from  other lands uncritically, we also jeopardize our own identity which sometimes will include our own culture and sometimes our christian faith.

“copied to appease the pagans and win their POLITICAL support”?

LOL. SERIOUSLY? Political support what? Before you make statements to malign the Church, know first what you’re talking about. Only Cardinals in a conclave elect Popes. Not local people nor even those pagans. It wasn’t to appease the pagans but to CONTRADICT those useless paganistic rituals. Not everything is in the Bible. Just like for example Christmas. The event where Jesus was born is recorded in the Bible but the word Christmas is nowhere to be found yet these non-Catholics and non- Christians are celebrating what the Catholic Church has designated in the 4th century to commemorate the birth of Christ so as to contradict the pagan Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti.

@JOMEX

Good for you. But what possible meaning can the word “good” have in a truly atheist universe? Is it because that as human beings, one should be “good” for the sake of being good, as well as for the general personal and social benefits that accrue from being “good,” “moral,” etc.?  If that is so, their line of thinking CONTRADICTS themselves since most atheists subscribes to the naturalist worldview – that posits that the only thing that exist are material and concur with Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution, which entails the “survival of the fittest” principle of natural selection -the strong dominate and kill off the weak. The superior naturally eliminate the inferior, etc.  You see how incoherent their mind are. 

And speaking about Darwin’s Theory, atheists embrace the idea with FAITH since NOBODY has ever seen before their very eyes how the universal common ancestor evolved based on scientific demonstrable data. Kaya nga THEORY but these self-acclaimed intellectuals accept it as FACT. 

even as children their age in the more urbanized parts of the country enjoy a more Westernized form of observance.
but because of the strong pull of the Western culture, their stories remain undiscovered
The Catholic Church frowns on such Westernized Halloween practices

What do these people have against the West? The Philippines follows the Pope – the Catholic Church – as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox churches. Catholicism is part of Western culture.

Don’t be a KJ..don’t spoil the fun. The customes are just for fun not for worship.

I can only speak for myself. I cannot speak for other atheists and even agnostics even Darwin himself. Nor can I accept the accusations you accused about ‘most atheists”. I am not sure what you mean by “superior naturally eliminate the inferior.” But it seems that you subscribe to the idea that “might makes right” principle. on the contrary, it is religion that practice that. You denounced Darwin’s evolution as a faith assertion, again on the contrary, evolution is demonstrable by plenty of evidence. What is propesterous is the claim by creationist like you that since evolution cannot be recreated again, it is not true.

If you can show me a human being that has a tail, then I will believe the theory of evolution. Don’t tell me that evolution has completed for human, that they have passed the point where they used to have tails, like their ape ancestors. Did they all mutate at the same rate, that at this time all of them have no more tails? If you will say yes, you are dovetailing it to the theory, because that is hard to believe without concrete evidence.

Ok. Although I am not saying that you have no “right” to do charity but on what basis do you draw “doing good to others” from?
I assert that you believe darwin's theory BY FAITH since you have never been able to prove it yourself. You rely only on scientist's assertion of it. For how do you know these scientists are indeed telling the truth? The only plausible thing to do is embrace their ideas as faith.
Didn't Darwin claim that the “survival of the fittest/ superior naturally eliminate the inferior” is the undeniable basis upon which every species evolves, is improved, or is eliminated? Atheist in general subscribes to the naturalist worldview that we humans are the evolutionary result of natural selection in which survival of the fittest is guaranteed NOT by being “good” to competitors but by overpowering those weak ones. So in relation to your doing charity work ( which is very much commendable), how can you as an atheist explain why you are doing it in the first place? I am not judging your actions, I am just curious on the rationale of it.
How can it be preposterous that evolution canNOT be recreated? There was no evidence supporting the theory then, and there is no evidence supporting the theory today. Everything Charles Darwin ever observed and recorded related to what is known as MICRO evolution, meaning, changes strictly within known species. Changes in color, fur, finch-beaks, more wooly or less wooly coats on sheep, breeds of dog, breeds of cattle, etc., etc., etc. But what Darwin theorized about was what is known as MACRO evolution, meaning, species evolving into completely other species. The new species would be a clearly identifiable species when it could reproduce itself, but could no longer reproduce with the parent species. And that – macro evolution – has never been observed, by Darwin, or by anyone, in all of recorded history. Nor does the fossil record show any such occurrence. Modern forensic scientists have shown that Neanderthals, supposedly extinct, are represented in the human population today, indicating that the Neanderthal was/is merely a breed (race) of man, and not another species at all. All of Darwin’s famous finches remained finches; all of his sheep remained sheep; nothing he ever observed ever became another species. The simple fact that many species in the Galapagos Islands appeared to be unique to the Galapagos Islands proved nothing whatsoever regarding the theory of evolution of species. Every single thing Darwin observed was related to micro evolution, and not macro evolution. He only theorized about macro evolution.

i have said it before and I’d say it again;

i have extreme distaste of TALKING SNAKES and people rising from the dead on the THIRD DAY.

kasi ba naman if you rise from the dead. . . e di ZOMBIE tawag do’n, ‘di ba?

nagbasa ka na naman ng OPRAH’s BOOK OF THE MONTH ano? that’s why you got everything wrong. 

nakakatawa ka. yong EVOLUTION ginawa mong parang ice cream na matutunaw in three minutes kaya observable yong pagkatunaw. in EVOLUTION the time frame is different. you will never oberve it in your lifetime miliions of times over.

get your facts straight first or be SILENT FOR ALL ETERNITY para di ka nagmumukhang katawa-tawa at trying hard. OKIES?

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nagbasa ka na naman ng OPRAH’s BOOK OF THE MONTH ano? that’s why you got everything wrong. nakakatawa ka. yong EVOLUTION ginawa mong parang ice cream na matutunaw in three minutes kaya observable yong pagkatunaw. in EVOLUTION the time frame is different. you will never observe it in your lifetime miliions of times over. get your facts straight first or be SILENT FOR ALL ETERNITY para di ka nagmumukhang katawa-tawa at trying hard. OKIES?

as to the fossil record mag-research ka nang matino. GOOGLE is never your friend. and to make it easier on you. . . bigyan kita ng matinding clue; GEOLOGIC COLUMN. Yes, the mighty GEOLOGIC COLUMN. i-research mo tapos wag ka nang babalik kasi iyong GEOLOGIC COLUMN pa lang knockout ka na.

isa pa itong ROMYGARAPATA na ito. trying hard.

just because you can’t see the tail doesn’t mean it’s not there. mag-research ka muna ng mammallian embryology, ha, saka ka bumalik at nang di ka nagsasayang ng oras ng iba.

itong mga RELIHIYOSONG ito. puro trying hard.

and don’t you ever dare mention the uniformitarian argument into the discussion. it doesn’t wash as far as scientific method is concerned.

You said: “In EVOLUTION the time frame is different. you will never oberve it in your lifetime miliions of times over.”

Indeed! Can you name one scientist who had ever observe evolution from the START? So much for empirical evidence. And yet you embrace it with faith AS FACT.