Trillanes pushes for salary hike of doctors

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Senator Antonio Trillanes IV. Photo by INQUIRER.net’s Noy Morcoso III

MANILA, Philippines – In order to entice Filipino doctors to stay in the country despite the lure of greener pastures abroad, Senator Antonio Trillanes IV has filed a bill seeking to increase the salary of physicians and providing them additional benefits.

“Senate Bill No. 319 seeks to address this alarming outflow of doctors and its repercussions by increasing the salary of government physicians and providing additional incentives,” Trillanes, chairman of the Senate Committee on Civil Service and Government Reorganization, said in a statement Sunday.

The Philippines was said to be the second leading exporter of doctors to the world, next only to India, Trillanes said citing a report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

The 2007 study, which was done by the Philippine Health Information Network of the Department of Health (DOH), said that “the Philippines has traditionally been a major source of health professionals to many countries because of their fluent English, skills and training, compassions, humaneness and patience in caring.”

“The country is purportedly the leading exporter of nurses to the world (Aiken, 2004) and the second major exporter of physicians (Bach, 2003),” the Philippine Health Information System: Review and Assessment February – July 2007 study said.

It further said that despite the large number of doctors the country is able to churn out, their migration is unparalleled in the history of the country. It was also alarming that doctors were not migrating as physicians but as nurses, the study said.

“Although the country is producing a surplus of health workers for overseas market since the 1960s, the large exodus of nurses in the last four years has been unparalleled in the migration history of the country,” the study said.

“While Filipino physicians have been migrating to the United States since the 1960s and to the Middle East countries in the 1970s in steady outflows, the recent outflows are disturbing because they are no longer migrating as medical doctors but as nurses,” it added.

Trillanes said that public doctors in local government hospitals earn about P26,878 a month at a salary grade of 16 while doctors conferred by the DOH earn P39,493 at a salary grade of 21.

Their low salary was the reason why many doctors are seeking higher-paying jobs abroad, he said.

“This does not do justice to our hardworking doctors who have spent years in their studies and whose duties go beyond the normal eight-hour workload,” he said.

“The exodus of doctors in the last five years is exacting a toll on the country’s already second-rate health service. The ratio of doctor [to] patients in the Philippines is one doctor per 28,493 patients, a far cry from the ideal 1:1000 ratio prescribed by the WHO,” Trillanes pointed out.

In Trillanes proposed legislation, he wants to increase the minimum base pay of doctors to P62,670 or a salary grade of 27. Doctors will also receive an annual loyalty pay of P50,000 for doctors with at least three consecutive years of service and an educational grant not more than P200,000 for those who have served at least five years continuous service.

They will also get monthly transportation allowance of P10,000 to P18,000 depending on the municipality, food allowance of P5,000 to P12,000 per month, and medical allowance of P5,000 to P10,000, Trillanes said.

According to the study, “The Philippine socioeconomic and political situations have not helped much in retaining licensed and skilled nurses and other health professionals in the country.”

It added that “more than 3,500 Filipino doctors have left as nurses since the year 2000.”

“A little more than 1,500 doctors have passed the national nurse licensure examination in 2003 and 2004,” the study said. “An estimated 4,000 doctors are enrolled in nursing schools all over the country,” it added.

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  • danesreyes

    this is good. in the coming years, the exodus of our physicians and healthcare workers will worsen. right now, the situation in our hospitals is very disheartening. i hope the government will prioritize these kinds of measures. 

  • Taiko_Kauna

    Trill, mas maraming boto na nangagaling sa pasyente kaysa mga doktor. Wrong target

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      tama…ganito nalang ang gawin ni trillanes…

      if the doctor is asking 300 pesos as professional fee sa pag pa chek-up, the doctor should spent not less than 10 minutes sa kanyang pasyente…

      if 500 pesos, not less than 30 minutes…at wag na wag pagsisigawan ang mga pasyente…

      • nephrite

        I suppose your life is worth less than 300 pesos?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        nope…my life is priceless…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        priceless??? with the kind of attitude you have, no one would care if your decaying corpse was floating in the pasig =) 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        u as a su cker of the a$$ of trillanes, no one cares u at all…nakakakasuka!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        running out of smart comebacks??? pag wala nang masabi, ayun namamastos n lng. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        tingnan mo rin ang sagot mo..who started it???hypocrite!

        “no one would care if your decaying corpse was floating in the pasig =) “

      • nephrite

        btw, they’ve sacrificed so much of their personal lives, and as the doctor:patient tells you, doctors may not always afford the time that you’re demanding.  or maybe, you had just gone to the not so better doctor…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        doctors are number 1 tax evader

      • RNKR2005

        Just out of curiosity, what’s your source to say that doctors are the number 1 tax evader?  I’m not contradicting you, I just want to know if it’s all just hot air your blowing.  FYI, I have a lawyer friend that works very, very, very close with Kim Henares within the BIR so I could verify whether your source is accurate or not…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        mag pa chek up ikaw sa mga clinic…most doctors will not give u receipts for their services that you paid

      • RNKR2005

        Last time I was in a clinic (which was very recently), the secretary was filling up a bunch of receipts even if the patients already left. Sobra busy daw kung sabay niya inaasikaso patients ng 2 doctors. So just because no receipt was given doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Besides, majority ng food kiosks na binibilhan ko hindi din nagbibigay ng resibo, lalo na mga sari sari store. If you want a receipt, ask for one because you are entitled to one if you made payment. But back to my question, what’s your source to say that doctors are no. 1 tax evader? Wala siguro ezcept for some personal observations. Saying that something is no. 1 should be based on numbers, otherwise it’s a just an opinion no matter how likely it is. How can you even be sure that lawyers, architects, interior designers and other self-employed people aren’t worse? AFAIK, doctors were grouped together with lawyers and other professionals in last year’s news reports as tax evaders. I even know a doctor who overpaid his annual taxes because of the incomptence of his accountant. Getting a new accountant and factoring in his expenses versus his income, he is now paying less taxes now than he used to

      • RNKR2005

        That’s your source? Akala ko meron ka nabasa na BIR report. I hired a interior designer, no receipt. Contractor, no receipt sometimes. Bumili ako sa food kiosk, no receipt. Nagpa notarize ako, no receipt. Ibig sabihin sila lahat no. 1 tax evader?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        it is not unusual for a doctor to see 50 or more patients per day. if doctors follow your recommendation of 30 minutes per patient, it means a doctor has to spend a total of 1500 minutes to see 50 patients or 25 hours per day to see 50 patients. ergo, there would not be enough hours in a regular 24-hour day to see all 50 patients. please do the math and inject little common sense into your brain before making idiotic and clueless proposals. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        ur boss is protecting the rich not the masa…not the middle class…

        so, sabihin mo sa boss mo na hindi na siya mananalo sa election…say to him that he should already make a bye bye to the senate…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        warped talaga yung reasoning mo. i am not here to make a case for trillanes or to convince people to vote for trillanes. i am here to defend doctors from the untruths, misconceptions and the large amount of garbage, you’ve been blabbering about here.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        common…dnt be stupid of not seeing the reality…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        and what is your version of reality? that ALL doctors are rich, and foul mothed??? look who’s not seeing reality =)

  • tanga_hanga_ni_abnoy

    singilin nyo muna sila ng tamang tax

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/hbRkpPw1oYTBJamz.EH7acMZBBVoIlWXriA-#e4348 Felix

    wag na dagdagan ang sahod nila at hayaan na lang mag abroad para kumita ng mas malaki. ang pera ay mas mabuting gamitin sa pag aaral ng mga magiging bagong doktor na kailangan manggamot muna sa pilipinas bago mag abroad kung gusto mag abroad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jose.faderon Jose Vicente A. Faderon

    sana kasama na rin ang mga nurses and other health care workers

    • nephrite

      sana kasama lahat…

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    mayayaman n ang mga doctors dito sa pinas a….hindi nga bumabayad ng tax…isang minuto pa check-up worth 300 pesos agad…at walang resibo binibigay….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      kainggit nga, sa medical city, 1.1k per visit! hahaha! pila balde pa mga pasyente @_@

      • nephrite

        because the institution that employs them undercomensates them, so sa private babawi but the proposal may address that. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        doctors are abusive..and patients are always at the mercy of them…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        you obviously have an issue with doctors. find a good psychiatrist and get over your issues so you can get on with your life and become a more productive member of society. your arguments are sophomoric and tiresome. dealing with you is like dealing with a bad case of syphilis… irritiating, tenacious and hard to cure in its advanced stage (i.e. tabes dorsalis).

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        yes i do have, cos i have sympathy with the POOR people who usually abused by these RICH doctors…and here you are still defending these gods of the monalisa world…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        you’re insistence that most if not all doctors are rich and rotten borders on being an obsession. the article stated that the salaries of government doctors ranges from P20-40k per month. i dont think P40k per month qualifies anyone for the label of “rich person”. anyway, so it wont bother you so much… you can have the last word as i still have work to do. i have said my piece and hopefully, the people who might read the threads in this article will be better informed of the plight of doctors. abuloy ko na lng yang “last word mo” sa improvement ng psyche mo =)

        “Dispute not with her: she is lunatic.”
        ― William Shakespeare, Richard III

      • RNKR2005

        Target market ng Medical City ay ang mayayaman kaya mas mahal doon. It’s all about branding.  If you go to Ricky Reyes or even Grupo Barbero, wag kang umasa na pareho ang bayad sa kapit bahay mong hairstylist. Mga eyeglasses sa big name optical shops na more than P50 thou, I can buy those at a fraction of their price.

    • nephrite

      oh, you didn’t take into consideration how, to many doctors, charity patients are the bulk of their work.  undercompensated na nga, hinahabol pa ng BIR na parang kriminal!  

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        hindi ba kriminal ang TAX EVADER???

        undersompensated ba ang naka kotse at nakitira sa magagarang bahay????

        tell me of a doctor na walang kotse???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        i’m a doctor and i didn’t get a car ( a 2005 Vios) until i got married to another doctor and combined our earnings for a year before we could afford a down payment for a car loan that we financed for 5 years. having a car is not a luxury for us, it is a necessity as we live far from our workplace. we both work in government and in an ordinary day we see at least 40-50 patients a day.. all for a meager salary of P31,000 per month or P1033 per day or P20.66 per patient. since i’m in government, i cannot evade taxes since income tax is automatically deducted from my salary. we don’t get holidays off, we are required to go on duty whether its typhoon signal #3, even if we have to wade waist high flood waters.we get exposed to all the hazards in the hospital, including but not limited to tuberculosis, meningitis, x-rays/radiation and worst of all, rabid and ungrateful patients like you. worse, if we get a bug, we risk transmitting it to our children and loved ones in our own homes. while call center agents grumble about their 8 hours graveyard shifts, we go on 24 hours duty and then still go on a regular 8 hours duty the next day. so yes, we do get cranky and seem like we’re on a rush to get our jobs done… but that is simply because we are just human and get tired and worn out also. and that does not stop there. we still worry about critical patients even when we’re at home and still study on new management and treatment modalities even when we’re at home, just to give our patients the best possible management we can give with their limited resources. you make sweeping statements that all doctors are these terrible and reprehensible excuses of a human being; without having any idea of what we sacrifice on a daily basis to cure patients of whatever malady they might have. i am a doctor and i am not a tax evader or a criminal. you however, make myopic statements which are frankly slanderous. so why dont you ask yourself…..hindi ba kriminal ang gumagawa ng SLANDER??? with the recent advances in medicine, some forms of cancer already have a cure… unfortunately, there is no cure yet for a prejudiced and judgmental mind like yours.

      • RNKR2005

        Marami din doctor mukha mayaman kasi mayaman ang magulang. Bahay at kotse bigay ng magulang, pero ang monthly income ng doctor hindi pa sapat

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        slander??did i mention names….ahh, maybe slander, kasi nagpakilala ka ng doctor…so, dr jun, maawa ka naman sa mga taong walang kakayahan mag reklamo na pinag sigawsigawan mo lang….

        and if u remain poor despite the fact na doctor ka, it only means na ang mga tao ay walang tiwala sayo…at nag aasa ka sa mga government hospitals kasi hindi ka makapasok sa private hospitals na mataas ang standard…pathetic…kung sa private ka lalo na sa st lukes, cgurado doc, super yaman mo…pero, unfortunately hindi ka naman de kalibreng doctor…

        and if u r already complaining on ur job specifically those shifts, YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT TO BE A DOCTOR OR COMPLAIN BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURE OF YOUR WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!kagaya ng sundalo, kung ayaw niyang mamatay agad, umalis siya sa pagka sundalo…SIMPLE!!!!

      • RNKR2005

        Sinabi na nga ni Jun na up to 50 patients a day nakikita niya, ibig sabihin ba doon wala sila tiwala kay Dr Jun? Hindi lahat ng doctor sa St. Luke’s hospital ay magaling! Hindi mo ba alam kung saan inoperahan is PGMA? Tingnan mo ang nangyari sa kanya. At hindi lahat ng government doctors ay hindi de kalidad! Maniwala man o hindi ang makitid mong utak, hindi lahat ng doctor ang humahangad na maging mayaman.
        Nagrereklamo ba si Dr Jun sa trabaho niya? Ang nakikita lang ko ay sinasabi niya ang buhay niya araw araw na hindi nakikita ng ibang tao tulad ni poltergeist_fuhrer. Ayaw niya maniwala na meron doctor na hindi mayaman, pero nung meron nagpresenta na doctor, nilait lait pa niya. Paano kung isa pala siya scholar kaya niya gusto magsilbi sa bayan kaya nagtitiis siya sa government salary?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        nagtitiis???nagrereklamo nga…hahaha

        san ba ang clinic ng dr jun mo para makita ko kung talaga isang kilometro ang haba ng pila…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        you don’t need to see me because i do not specialize in psychiatric cases. punta ka na lng sa Nueve de Febrero St. sa may Mandaluyong, sigurado ako may makakatulong sa iyo doon.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        quack doc ka siguro…haha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        sorry to disappoint your low expectations but im not a quack. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        the point is u cant give any info bout u…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        and why should i give personal info to someone like u? 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        a manifestation that u are a paid hack..not real doc

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        at isa pa, majority ng mga tao nagsasabi “kung may pera lang ako, sa private hospital ko na ito dadalhin pasyente ko”…anong ibig sabihin niyan???poor facilities…hindi de kalidad na mga doctors…

      • RNKR2005

        PGH and East Avenue Medical Center are one of the best hospitals in the country, government or private.  Alam mo ba na ang eye doctor ni Sen. Miriam Santiago ay sa government hospital nagtatrabaho? Nasa balita nga siya kahapon. He is also the doctor of Cong. Sonny Belmonte. In fact, that doctor is one of the mentors or contemporary of many prominent eye doctors in the country. Kung hindi de kalidad ang mga doctor na ganun para sa iyo, sobra taas ang standards mo na walang papasa

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        good one there in manila…but philippines is not manila alone…

        in rural parts of the country…it is MONALIS…”they lie there, and they die there”

      • RNKR2005

        You’re the one who said that government hospitals had poor facilities & hindi de kalidad ang mga doctors. You never made a distinction between Manila and rural parts of the Philippines until your response previous to this…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        do u know what is a thread?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        ur arguments are irritatingly cliche and grossly exaggerated. you hear hearsay and you treat it like its gospel truth. outside of manila we have the likes of chong hua hospital which is one of only three hospitals in the philippines that is accredited by the joint commission international. there is also Cebu Doctors Hospital which is the first QHA Trent accredited hospital in Southeast Asia. There are smaller hospitals in the provinces that might not offer all the high tech procedures like these two but still deliver quality medical care to their patients. again, ur arguments are grossly flawed and extremely prejudiced. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        u only name 2 or 3 ospitals…what about the 500 plus government hospitals??? MONALISA, RIGHT?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        u really have no idea how the medical profession works. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        and u dnt have any idea how these POOR people are thinking and feeling..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        yes i do. i deal with people from all walks of life in daily basis. if you really want to know how a doctor works, go to PGH and stay beside the doctor from the time they come to work to the time they go home and then tell me what you see. u dont even have to diagnose, treat or do procedures on a patient… just simple observation for the whole 30+ hours doctors spend during hospital duty. maybe it can be an eye opener for you. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        pgh is near malacanang..near sec ONA…

        regional medical centers. provincial hospitals, district/municipal hospitals are too far for malacanang or ona to observe….and these what i see…

        another example: delivery room again…the mother who just gave birth was crying(maybe because of pain or whatever) at the walkway waiting for her turn to be accomodate in one service ward room since there is no more room vacant…here is the DOCTOR walking through and suddenly stopped at her yelling “YAN ANG NAKUHA, NGAYON IIYAK IYAK KA…PERO SA GINAGAWA MO UNG BATA KASARAPAN LANG INIISIP MO..SEX KA LANG NG SEX,TAPOS IIYAK KA)…ill ask you, is it correct? does that doctor have business to her life???

      • RNKR2005

        I have a friend who’s a doctor in St. Luke’s, their income is barely enough to compensate for their expenses there. So you’re statement na kung sa private hospital ang doctor ay sigurado mayaman, mali. BTW, she was the top of her class..
        And did you know that a few of the topnotchers of the  medical board exam chose to join the doctors to the barrio program of the DOH? Ano, hindi din sila de kalibre?
        And did you know that almost all private hospitals have roughly the same standards regardless whether it is St Luke’s or FEU or any of the hundreds of private hospitals in the provinces? A medical degree, residency training, diplomate specialty and a license to practice is all that is needed to get into any big hospital. And even if you do get in, it would take years, maybe a decade to build up a respectable practice. Private practicing doctors in the provinces are much better and become successful much quicker from what I know…
        And finally, a doctor with more patients doesn’t mean he/she is better a doctor who has less patients.  I know some doctors who barely made it through med school and who took the board exams more than once, but now they are big time.  It’s all about networking, knowing the right, and PR acumen. Brains, training and talent can only get you so far in school…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        did i say i was complaining about my shift? i just stated a fact that that’s the reality doctor’s face on a daily basis. kindly read and understand the article because the article talks about government doctors and not doctors in private hospitals. i don’t yell at my patients but if i do have a patient with a foul mouth like yours, i will also not hesitate to give you a piece of my mind. i may be a public servant but i am nobody’s personal servant. being in government does not mean i am not a “de kalibre na doctor”. there you go again placing labels on everyone, thinking the world conforms to your own special perception of reality. or maybe ur reality testing is not working so well. i enjoy my work, and i chose to stay away from private institutions because i have a sincere urge to help those who are less fortunate than me. i have worked in private institutions, i have been properly trained, i have passed all the examinations i need to pass, and more importantly, my patients think that i give them more than adequate medical care.and by the way, i got the highest score in the whole philippines when i took the boards. 

        oo nga, its not slander coz u did not mention any names. you just hide behind an anonymous account and lambast all those people you dont have the balls to stand up to in the real world. so ok, no slander but i guess that just makes u a plain coward then. you can come up with all the sarcasm you can come up with but that’s your problem, not mine. you don’t seem like a happy person at all and it show in the amount feces spewing out from ur mouth. i feel sorry for you.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        the way u used words reflects ur complaint…you may be a good doctor…you may sympathy to the poor…but yours dont reflect the MAJORITY of doctors…and by the way, y u still prescribe brand names than the generic???r u messing the law??

        ————-

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        “but yours dont reflect the MAJORITY of doctors”———————–

        all organizations have bad eggs. but finding one or 2 bad eggs in a basket doesnt mean the whole lot is rotten. while there are doctors who do yell at their patients or who make the medical profession a business, at least most of the doctors i know are compassionate and caring persons and i have never come across a doctor who would compromise the well being of their patient for money. you can’t get into a profession that caters to the sick and needy without developing a little bit of altruism along the way. the medical profession can also be financially rewarding, but being materially gifted does not automatically make you a bad person. perhaps their money is also just compensation for the long hours of work doctors do.

        generics ho yong pini.prescribe ko. but if i see that my patient’s condition is not improving because of substandard medicines, i will also not hesitate to suggest a good brand to them.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        but finding one or 2 bad eggs in a basket doesnt mean the whole lot is rotten

        ———–

        if u dnt remove that rotten egg or tomato in that basket full, eventually everyone will be rotten…and in ur population, i can say that 90 were already rotten…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        that is simply not true. 

      • RNKR2005

        So if there are 10,000 doctors in the Philippines, you’ve met 9,000 doctors who are all rotten? BS

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        what a moron…

        do u know how to do research???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        i agree with reymatt. ur statistic are out of whack, lol. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        reymatt???matagal na yan yellow ribbon…he will defend his boss and trillanes at all cost

      • RNKR2005

        I’m curious if you could even name up to 50 doctors with the corresponding patients who have complained about doctor abuse. If it really is true, you don”t have to worry about the slander/libel issue. If those doctors are really rotten, naming them would do us a great service so that we could avoid them…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        they dont complain cos their image of doctors are like gods…so whatever they say, yell is all but ok…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        at least most of the doctors i know are compassionate and caring persons and i have never come across a doctor who would compromise the well being of their patient for money

        ———————-

        in one govt hospital in the visayas, they classify their patients whether they are service ward, philhealth ward or PAY ward…why is it that in the DELIVERY room, if the patient belongs to the SERVICE ward there is only one set of operating utensils/equipments compared to the PAY ward patients who have 2 sets…and the service are poor (yelling, shouting at these patients who are in the service ward, kawawang pulubi, kawawa na nga ang buhay, kinakawawa pa ng mga doctors who supposedly shud give CARE)

        and there are numerous cases for that…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        generics ho yong pini.prescribe ko. but if i see that my patient’s condition is not improving because of substandard medicines, i will also not hesitate to suggest a good brand to them

        —–

        comes from your mouth…so there is the problem in the system…there is a problem in the government…THAT THIS LAW SUPPOSEDLY SHOULD PROTECT THE POOR PEOPLE…

      • RNKR2005

        My kids do not always respond well to jusr any brand of paracetamol. Just 2 brand names. So there, the generic law is not always ideal. It is not advantageous to the poor if they end up buying a brand that does not work

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        then scrap the law!!!than being a law breaker!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        your reasoning is flawed and overly simplistic. just because a person is poor does not mean he does not have the right to medicines with good quality. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        this is an admission that YOU ARE A LAW BREAKER!!!you have no moral standing to speak to me as if u r too good…WHATTA HYPICRITE!!!

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        oo nga, its not slander coz u did not mention any names. you just hide behind an anonymous account and lambast all those people you dont have the balls to stand up to in the real world

        —————

        i lambast people who have no care for the poor…who are idiots being fooled by the ELITE like what the yellow ribbons of penoy are doing…i may be the single voice here,shouting that is unconventional, but i wont be stopped to do combating the evil that cripples the society…

      • RNKR2005

        “combating the evil that cripples the society”. Wow. Sounds hard to do in front of a computer monitor using an alias without risking anything. You’re my hero

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        thank you…

        even rizal used pen name

      • RNKR2005

        Ang masklap pa, kahit free of charge na ang consultation (walang bayad para klaro kay poltergeist_fuhrer), dapat daw nagbibigay ng resibo sabi ng isang taga BIR. Or kung health insurance and dapat magbayad (kung sinusuwerte) after several months, kelangan pa rin resibo. Dapat ba magbigay ng resibo kung ang hindi pa sigurado na mababayaran ka?

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    if the doctor is asking 300 pesos as professional fee sa pag pa chek-up, the doctor should spend not less than 10 minutes sa kanyang pasyente…
    if 500 pesos, not less than 30 minutes…at wag na wag pagsisigawan ang mga pasyente…

    and the BIR should strictly implement the receipt policy…

    • RNKR2005

      Some salons and barber shops charge as much as doctors.  Yet nobody dies or gets sick from a bad haircut. If you force doctors to stretch out a consultation to 30 mins for a simple cough, some patiens will have to wait until late into the night because they are #30 on the list…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        have u seen a doctor that after 5 hours of waiting the doctor to come and during the consultation, it only took 5 minutes na may kasama pang pasigaw sigaw…

      • RNKR2005

        That doctor is not worth your time or money. I’m sure his/her excuse for being rude to a patient/client is usually the same as other workers serving lots of customers (eg. govt. employees facing hundreds of customers in LTO, BIR, etc.), but that is still not a reason for disrespecting a client, especially a paying customer. To be honest about it, I know of some surgeons who have performed surgeries with complications because of their own mistakes (which is an inherent risk of any type of surgery), but the doctor still has the gall of raising his voice and blaming the patient for the complication. In short, patients are just like any other customer in any other enterprise: if the service is not good enough, they are free to look for another doctor. But needlessly stretching a consultation to a minimum amount of time just because a patient is paying a certain amount doesn’t just waste the doctor’s time, it prolongs the waiting time of patients who are further down the list. Duration of consult should be dependent on the symptoms, previous medical history and extent of physical examination needed to perform, not according to a doctor’s professional fee.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        Duration of consult should be dependent on the symptoms, previous medical history and extent of physical examination needed to perform, not according to a doctor’s professional fee.

        ——

        ive seen a patient waited for almost 2 hours, in a wheel chair, naglalaway na ang bibig kasi ung half of his body is dead already…after 2 hrs of waiting..at last, dumating ung doctor, without hi or hello…the patients still waits for another 30 minutes for his turn…after that long hours of waiting, pumasok na siya…to the shcok of many, lumabas after 5 MINUTES na may dala ng prescription…and will pay for 500 pesos consultation fee….pwede ba yan???

      • RNKR2005

        Oh I see. From that case, you were able to deduce that doctors act as if they were gifts from god. Glad you cleared that

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        not gifts from god but acting as god..idiot

      • RNKR2005

        I was wondering when the insult would start flying. From the very first comment you posted, I had a feeling that you were the type of person who would use an insult for an argument.  As it turns out, I didn’t have to wait too long.

        PS. You can lambast that particular doctor all you want, but to assign whatever you saw wrong with that doctor to all other doctors is stretching things too much

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        speaking the truth is not an insult…u were hurt by the truth and u’ll say it is an insult…

      • RNKR2005

        You thought I was hurt by that? I was waiting for such a comment for the past 2 days. Sorry to disappoint you. 
        Para matapos na ang usapan, isumbong mo ang doktor na iyon kay Korina Sanchez. Sigurado sympathetic siya, galit siya sa lahat ng Pinoy na doctor

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        way to go ReyMatt! =)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        i agree reymaatt. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

        you dont understand anything AT ALL about the medical profession. if the doctor spent only 5 minutes on you, its probably because you are suffering from a benign, easily managed and easily treated disease which we see many times in a day. or a patient could suffering from a chronic condition judged as stable and all parameters such as BP, blood sugar and the like are well controlled, then you dont need to spend as much time as when seeing that patient for the first time. this especially happens if you have seen the patient many times in the past and you’re familiar with the previous medical history of the patient. and just to correct you, a body cannot be half dead… perhaps you mean half of the body is paralyzed, most probable from a stroke. these patients tend to be chronic patients, as i have previously explained.

        as doctors, we are taught how to do triage or the process of “of determining the priority of patients’ treatments based on the severity of their condition” so that a doctor can properly allocate limited time and resources to those who need it most. for example, if i get a call from the ER that a patient is critical. i would not hesitate to leave a patient suffering from the common cold so that i can attend to the critical patient asap. put in another way, if you are made to wait for 2 hours in the ER or in a doctors clinic, then you should be thankful because it means that you are not dying or need medical attention right away. rest assured that when its your time to come to the hospital when you are dying, you will be given priority over somebody who is not so critical. your myopic interpretation of medical scenarios shows ur ignorance of the way things are done in the hospital. before you judge, kindly understand the whole scenario. why don’t you take up medicine and be the ideal doctor you envision yourself to be. work hard for the poor and dont take any money for your hard work. in other words, put your money where your mouth is, otherwise , shut up.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        u ask and observe one (AT LEAST ONE) poorest of the poor…ask them how they view / feel the doctors…doctors for these poorest of the poor are like gods…and yet, they tend to abuse the respect rendered to them…that is the reality

      • RNKR2005

        Your statements are blatant generalizations of how all doctors act like gods on all poorest of the poor patients. Is it acting like a god to pick up a blind vagrant from the sidewalk, put him in a hospital, perform cataract surgery on him, and let him go home with a clear vision less than 24 hours FREE OF CHARGE? You make generalized statements from isolated cases and probably personal experiences, and yet you have no idea that there are some who do selfless acts without any recognition of their contribution.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        recognition? goodness…madami na sila niyan…kaya nga they act like gods…

        and is it noble that they charge a pulubi worth 300 pesos???at papagalitan pa???

        at ang yayaman na nila…dba???tas, tax evader pa…

      • RNKR2005

        Not all doctors receive recognition for a selfless effort. Neither do many doctors look for it.  The doctors who performed that free cataract surgery didn’t receive any praise for it except for a self satisfaction that they helped someone else.
        Hindi lahat ng doctors mayaman.  You are so clueless…
        Mga pulubi, pwede pumunta sa goverment hospital for free consultations with government employed doctors.  If they choose see private practicing doctors, they should be ready to pay the doctor’s fees. Nobody is forced to return to a doctor that they do not want to pay his/her services for…
        Hindi lahat na nagbibihis na parang pulubi ay pulubi. Maraming ang nagpupunta sa doctor na tsinelas, shirt and shorts lang pero meron sila tindahan sa Greenhills. Ang tao gagawa ng paraan para lang mabawas sa gastos….
        Hindi ko sinasabi na lahat ng doktor maayos, mabuti, mabait at responsable. Pero sa pananalita mo, parang ang sasama ng lahat ng mga doktor.  Sana palagi kang mabait, responsable, maasikaso, mapagbigay, at higit sa lahat nagbabayad ng tamang buwis para paghusgahan ang ibang tao…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        i am asking, give me a name of a doctor na walang kotse…lalo na mga anaesthesiologists…

      • RNKR2005

        Humihingi ka ng pangalan ng ibang tao sa forum na ito pero hindi mo nilalagay ang totoong pangalan mo?  Wala ako karapatan sabihin pangalan ng ibang tao dito kasi meron sila right to privacy. Majority ng doktor meron kotse, oo. Pero meron iba na wala. Anesthesiologist, lalo sila nangangailangan ng sariling sasakyan kasi puwede sila tawagin sa kung saan saan na ospital sa kahit anong oras.
        Ang mga doctors to the barrio na makikinabang sa proposal ni Sen. Trillanes, mas madadalian na sila bumili ng sasakyan (kung hindi nila gagamitin ang pera nila pambili ng medical supplies ng barrio nila)

  • Jake Macabadbad

    maganda po yan Sen para sa government physicians!!!  sa mga private physicians, kailangan tamang tax!

    • ed_nique

      not all private practitioners make big bucks, many also leave to work abroad

  • allyson_yan

    nice move. hindi lang once ko narinig from family and friends abroad na iba pa rin talaga ang galing ng Filipino doctors. Kaya dapat lang na iprioritize ang welfare nila para hindi na nila kailangan umalis to seek greener pasteur

  • johnlordphilip

    Good job Mr. Senator! I hope it will move fast enough so we can retain more doctors in the country before the health situation become more alarmingly bad for our people.

  • Lara Co

    Nice piece of legislation. keep it up!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AH7MNEFRF4G4ZQ6PA2OE4Z3BEU Verlito

    Push for more local generation of quality jobs in the medical fields particularly for the younger generation of medical practitioners in the Philippines..

  • josexxxx

    good move senator. Medyo di bilib ako sa iyo formerly pero parang ok na move yan. Health services depends on doctors. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TJQY6FTCUY6JQNCKCGVOT2FSUM nanz

    Tama lang yan. kasi most of our Doctors are in a hurry to go abroad for a greener pasture. Sayang yung kaalaman nila, na dito sila sa Pilipinas nagpakadalubhasa, tapos iba lang ang makikinabang…GOOD JOB Senator!

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    sabay saby lumabas ang mga propagandista ni trillanes dito a…lumalabas lang kayo kapag may article si trillanes…magkano ba per post ninyo???makasali nga…haha

  • yonoh

    Sama muna mga teacher senator………kawawa naman sila di makabuhay sa 20k na sweldo minus tax at iba pa…………………minsan nangungutang na lang sa patuboan…………

  • nyukradaregg

    Why not started it from the lower side of Society..the laborer 1st before it goes to the top.. if we make it 1st to the bottom then it goes al the way up..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      pinakamagandang comment

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SFRAGCB74P6E6VW5S6NLV3F7BU Michael Angelo

    A very intelligent move by the senator. Well done.

  • peter_payper

    tama yan, kung maayos ang compensation, walang magsisialisang professionals dito sa atin! alagan ang human resources.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MEI2VZOCPGKA62EEHMX3T5MQHI Roxanne

    maganda ang maidudulot nito sa ating mga doktor. di ko gusto ang idea na nag-aaral sila na maging nurse para lang makapag abroad sa kagustuahang kumita ng malaki.

  • duchess bee

    great job senator!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004769917231 Maine Tine

    Well done, Senator Trillanes! we believe that this bill will help address the issue of brain drain when it comes to our doctors. thank you, Senator!

  • Your_King

    Trillanes still in the government just proves how politicians ultimately only care about themselves and the group that they belong to. It’s weird how Trillanes could be considered as one of the President’s men.

  • ThudOthwacker

    See now people. The annual 3 billion pesos for RH Law is just the tip of the iceberg. What you don’t see is the scariest thing, a.k.a hidden cost.

    Is this how they balance the budget? Taxing the people beyond its means. And earmark the collected tax to fund programs costing 3 times more on the projected collection.

    Watch Maggie Thatcher on tax payers money  “watch?v=xvz8tg4MVpA”

    No wonder public doctor supported the RB law. Because they are next in line.

  • Binibiningmaldita

    galing mo naman senator!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UPBI3ESYPHNYH72R3544I564UM Minnette

    para sa akin okay itong naisipan ni senator…. para naman yung mga kapwa natin pilipino ang nakikinabang sa galing ng mga pilipinong doktor… hindi mga banyaga…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCYONFMWDQZJ55JE5RAUSEUFHQ bong

    This is a good move. This is true. I am a physician currently working in Africa. Many of our fellowmen have a wrong notion that if you are a doctor in the Philippines., you are automatically rich and have lots of money.
    It is very hard to become a doctor. 4 to 5  years of pre -med. 3 years of Medical School. 2 years of Internship.Then 3-5 years of residency (specialty). Then 1-2 years of sub-specialty.
    It takes a lot of time away from family and friends. A lot of sacrifice..working during Christmas,New year, birthdays,etc.

    During Medical School (1st to 3rd year) we had examinations every 2 weeks. Failing 1 subject (module) means repeating the year, failing 2 could get one kicked-out.

    During Junior Internship our duties was 34 hours every other day. Meaning, if you come to the hospital on a Monday at 7am,you come home Tuesday 5 pm, then go back on duty on  Wednesday 7am ,go home 5pm Thursday and so on…we are lucky if duty was every 3 days, you will have a day when you are in the hospital for only 10 hours. Mind you there is NO salary for this,we actually STILL pay tuition fee for doing this.  During Senior Internship though,there is no tuition fee, but still has to go through the same kind of duties,and still NO salary.

    During residency, same kind of loooong hours. In private hospitals salaries ranges from P10 to 15k (plus salary deductions),(more than a call center agent makes),take home around 4-7k every 15th and 30th. In public hospitals residency allowances is higher (20-30k plus deductions).There is NO overtime pay.No hazard pay. No 13th month pay.No health insurance.Lucky if there is Christmas bonus.

    After finishing residency,it is back to square one since one has to find a hospital to start a private practice. If one decides to go to the big hospitals expect to shell out 1 to 1.5 million php for stocks,this does not include the clinic that could cost 1-3 million Php .Also it does not include cost for maintenance fees and secretary fees. For smaller hospitals stocks would cost around 200k to 400k.Still does not include the clinic fees.

    Total amount spent before that doctor saw you and got your P300:
    These are my actual tuition:
    Pre med (BS BIOLOGY,mid 90’s)
    1st  year: 16k x 2 semester = 32k
    2nd year 19k x 2 semester = 38
    3rd year 23k x 2= 46k
    4th year 26k x 2 semester = 52
    TOTAL: 168k

    Medical school plus 1 year Junior internship (late 90’s early 2000)
    33k x 8= 264k

    Does not include allowances,transport,uniform ,books,etc.

    If one can afford (re: rich parents) to get a clinic in a big hospital (Medical City,St. Luke’s Global),(has a good training,has a lot of connections),then he/she shells out around 2 to 4.5 million,BEFORE even starting a practice.

    So , do you think your payment of P300 to P500 is worth it?

    Being a doctor is a calling. Not anyone can be one (our batch started 300 plus, finished only with around 190).

    There is also what we call as “Moonlighting” for newly passed medical doctors.One works mostly in small hospitals and get paid P1500-3000 / 24 hour duty. If one works as a GP for clinics ( cards like Intellicare, Medicard,etc.) ,the usual ranges from P500-1000 for 8 hour work. For school physicians 2 1/2 day work per week pays 10k a month minus deductions (SSS,PagIbig,etc).Many get stuck to this and do not specialize anymore (re: need to support a family)..This does not make a doctor “rich”.

    In mid 2000’s doctors studying to become and work as nurses peaked,but recently has slowed down due to the US recession, and visas were restricted.

    With the rising costs of basic commodities,tuition fees,gasoline,etc. , many doctors like me have decided and has sacrificed working abroad to give our families a better and more stable future.If this legislation pushes through, then this could be a path for us to go home…….

  • ed_nique

    “The exodus of doctors in the last five years is exacting a toll on the country’s already second-rate health service. The ratio of doctor [to] patients in the Philippines is one doctor per 28,493 patients, a far cry from the ideal 1:1000 ratio prescribed by the WHO,” Trillanes pointed out.

    nice proposal, worthy objective … keep our doctors here by enticing them with increased salaries to work in government hospitals, P 62,670/mo (SG 27). how will this be funded?

    can the government afford this? how many will be hired? let’s presume that the 1,500 doctors who passed the nursing board in 2003 and 2004 will be hired. the government will be paying them about P 94 M/month or P 1.128 B/annum just for their basic pay. then there are the allowances provided by existing laws as well as those provided under this bill.

    the government will also have to make provisions in it’s budget for the increase in salary of those already in service. as provided under this bill it will be a 59% increase for nationally paid doctors, and a whopping 233% for locally paid doctors.

    i hope the DOH will be able to meet the expected increase in their budget for salary without sacrificing the other services to be extended to their patients.

    lastly, is the proposed salary really enticing enough to lure doctors to stay in the country and join government service? if i’m not mistaken this is something like USD 1,500, many nurses working abroad make much more than this amount.

    i remember a topnotcher inthe physicians board examswho still went abroad to work as a nurse, because in the end it was still about the money.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCYONFMWDQZJ55JE5RAUSEUFHQ bong

      Sir the sad truth is yes.Doctors/nurses leave the country because of the money.Just like the 2.2 million registered OFW’s are leaving the country and working abroad to make a living.But given the same opportunity in our motherland, I tell you based on my experience that not one of these “bayani’s” will leave and sacrifice time away from their families…it is the state of the economy that drives Filipinos away..

  • disqusted0fu

    If Sen. Trillanes is sincere in this, it is a good proposal I suppose. By the way, if I may just ask, what happened with his back-channeling with China?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z4NJN6TLDBJEZBHMPTRMXEIFCU Marlene

    i would like to commend the senator for this bill

  • RNKR2005

    Not all government doctors receive a salary

  • juandelacruzii

    salamat naman at may nakapansin sa hirap ng ating mga doktor! sa inyo magsiuwian na kayo sa pinas mas kailangan namin kayo dito. 

  • robert_tan

    we truly need leigslation like this to encourage our professional kababayans to serve the country and its people more. the idea is giving enough credit where it’s due.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P2DTZ2X7VCHEVWISBZNICIY2OA Andrea

    the senator has recognized that the doctors need a proportionate increase of wages. let’s rally behind him!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GB3QVUWFZ3Q67FIOW2Y4BA5WUI Jun

    good job senator trillanes!

  • RNKR2005

    Most doctors in the Philippines are not employed by the hospitals.  Private practice is the norm here, except for a few “moonlighters”, resident physicians and selfless givernment doctors. More prestigious hospital usually means higher professional fees. If you go to hospitals like St. Luke’s and Medical City, don’t be surprised if things get pretty expensive…

  • RNKR2005

    he’s worth a dime for a dozen. You can’t expect anything of quality for that price

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