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Philippines, China talking again

2 sides to disengage without losing face

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The Philippines and China are talking again, and they are trying to work out a temporary solution to their dispute over Scarborough Shoal, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said on Friday.

In a text message to the Inquirer, Del Rosario said the two sides resumed consultations earlier last week to break the stalemate.

The good news from Del Rosario came as Malacañang reiterated that the government had no hand in the anti-China protests in Manila and other capital cities around the world on Friday.

Hong Lei, spokesperson for the Chinese foreign ministry, accused the Philippines on Friday of escalating tensions between the two countries by encouraging protests against China’s intrusion on Scarborough Shoal, a group of coral and rock formations in the South China Sea well within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone.

“It’s a wrong action that complicates and magnifies the issue,” Hong told Asian journalists in Beijing.

Hong said the Philippine side broke diplomatic contact “for a period of time” but Chinese officials kept in touch with their counterparts both in Beijing and in Manila, as China was committed to resolve the dispute through diplomacy.

Late on Friday, the Department of Foreign Affairs said Filipino and Chinese diplomats in Manila had resumed talks to break the deadlock over Scarborough Shoal.

The department did not disclose the negotiation points but going by China’s “requirements,” as Hong mentioned in his talk with journalists in Beijing, the consultations would lead to, at best, temporary agreements that would allow the two sides to disengage without losing face.

China’s demands, Hong said, were that Chinese public service ships at Scarborough Shoal—called Panatag Shoal and Bajo de Masinloc by the Philippines—not be disturbed, that Chinese fishing boats be left alone to go about their normal activities, and that Philippine vessels leave the shoal, which China calls Huangyan Island.

Face-off at the shoal

On Tuesday, the military reported that the number of Chinese vessels at Scarborough Shoal had increased to more than 30, from 14 last week.

China now has three big ships in the area, in addition to seven Chinese fishing vessels and 23 utility boats.

The Philippines has only two vessels in the lagoon, the BRP Edsa, a Coast Guard search-and-rescue ship, and the MCS 3001, a vessel belonging to the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources.

Not this early

The Philippines will never agree to those demands, although Del Rosario did not say how Manila was responding. But he indicated that both sides did not expect to reach a lasting solution to the dispute this early.

“A diplomatic result ending the current impasse in Bajo de Masinloc, which we hope can be achieved, will at best be a temporary one,” Del Rosario said. “Ultimately, we will need an overall solution.”

The Philippines has already decided to go for that by going to international courts and forums to force China to recognize its sovereignty over parts of the South China Sea—called West Philippine Sea by Manila—within its exclusive economic zone.

Legal track

According to Del Rosario, the Philippine side is “moving forward with the legal track as a durable solution to our disputes in the West Philippine Sea.”

Stressing the need to “pursue a peaceful resolution” of the conflict with China, he said the DFA would follow a three-track approach: political, through the Association of Southeast Asian Nations; legal, through United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos) settlement; and diplomatic, through continuing consultations to defuse the current tensions at Scarborough Shoal.

Raul Hernandez, the DFA spokesperson, said the department would press ahead with the legal track. “As Secretary Del Rosario has said, the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (Itlos) would provide an impartial venue for ascertaining who between the Philippines and China has sovereign rights over the waters around Bajo de Masinloc and also around the Reed Bank area,” Hernandez said.

Rules-based approach

Del Rosario has repeatedly asserted that abiding by the rules set by the Unclos was the legitimate way of dealing with conflicting and overlapping claims in the West Philippine Sea.

In a statement on the 30th anniversary of the 1982 signing of the Unclos by 159 UN member states in Montego Bay, Jamaica, Del Rosario said the convention “has never been more important to the Philippines than today when overlapping maritime claims threaten as never before the peace and prosperity in our part of the world.”

“The Philippines believes that the rules-based approach in Unclos, together with the norms in the UN Charter and international law, are the way forward in addressing in a just, peaceful and lasting manner the maritime disputes in the West Philippine Sea,” Del Rosario said.

Great equalizer

Scarborough Shoal is located 220 kilometers west of Zambales, but China insists it is Chinese territory even though the nearest Chinese landmass is more than 500 kilometers away.

Last week, Del Rosario said the Philippines would unilaterally bring the conflict to Itlos following Beijing’s rejection of Manila’s proposal for international arbitration.

In a text message from Washington, D.C., Del Rosario said the DFA was preparing for the presentation of the dispute to the Itlos.

The tribunal is based in Hamburg, Germany.

He pointed out that Chinese ships were “engaged in illegal activities in Bajo de Masinloc.”

“The whole world knows that China has myriad more ships and aircraft than the Philippines. At day’s end, however, we hope to demonstrate that international law would be the great equalizer,” he emphasized. With a report from Christine O. Avendaño


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  • Karabukov

    This is indeed good news. It is in no one’s interest that this confrontation be prolonged any minute longer. And it can be done in a diplomatic manner where no side need to claim a win. We can still pursue our claim on several other fronts.

  • KapitanBagwis

    In the narrow mind of Hong, he thinks the Philippine government can control the peaceful assembly of the people which is guaranteed in our Constitution as one of our freedom. Communist China control its people in all aspect, even inside the bedroom. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L22RGWRGXTZ3HOS3IZ3RJ3X55E scdad07

    Both China and Philippines signed UNCLOS with ‘sovereignty issue’ being exempted in 1982.

    How, now,’Del Rosario said the Philippines would unilaterally bring the conflict
    to Itlos following Beijing’s rejection of Manila’s proposal for
    international arbitration’ ? Does he really not know or try to fool himself?

    • KapitanBagwis

       Why not China bring the matter to UNCLOS and raise the issue that “sovereignty is exempted” . Why vehemently refused for arbitration.

      If UNCLOS says the shoals belong to China, then so be it. Settle the matter at UNCLOS once and for all.

  • txtman

    ALL FILIPINOS MUST START POSTING THEIR RESPONSIBLE COMMENTS
         @ CNN INTERNATIONAL REGARDING THE SCARBOROUGH SHOAL ISSUE

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OW5VJQTWNFCURYAZ3M3L4GDUM4 Goyong

    wow they are demanding something which is against our right. Hong Lei said our actions were wrong, i think hong is really wrong here. anyway, my country is ready to war and china never ever won a war.  

    • reddfrog

       Ready for war with what? 2 rust buckets masquerading as “warships”? Kung gusto mong mamatay sugurin mo ang mga Intsik, para mabasa ka namin sa PDI.

    • kabayongtao

      If the situation calls, we will all, of course, be forced to defend our survival. Though we will never be ready to go for a losing war. 

      I hope war will never broke out. It’s like saying that humanity hasn’t made progress since WW1 and WW2.

    • ambotlangsamok

       ano? paano nila nasakop ang Tibet? At ano naman daw panlaban natin, batuta?

    • http://www.facebook.com/babinski.tero Babinski R Tero

      hahaha!!! itong si ambotlangsamok at saka si reddfrog mga duwag pala ito. akala ko matapang…. hehehe

  • KapitanBagwis

    “Give your enemy a golden bridge to retreat” ~ Sun Tsu or Confucius

    Works for both sides.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPON5WTAIOOBJE52P74TNVO3OU noel

    ano pa ba ang paguusapan basta atin ang isla tapos ang mga intsik…………..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BBGJDLTSW4A5QNJENPQDRYDB7Y 吕先生

    o    Following are some basic facts on China’s sovereignty over Huangyan Island:
    1. It is China that first discovered Huangyan Island, gave it the name, incorporated it into its territory, and exercised jurisdiction over it.
    In 1279, Chinese astronomer Guo Shoujing conducted a survey of the seas around China under the commission from his emperor Kublai Khan, and the Huangyan Island was chosen as the point for surveying the South China Sea. This explains that Huangyan Island was discovered by Chinese at least in Yuan Dynasty(1271-1368).
    In January 1935, a map verification committee of then Chinese government, which consisted of representatives from ministries and departments of internal affairs, foreign affairs, education and navy, declared sovereignty over 132 islands, reefs and shoals. Huangyan Island, with the name of Scarborough Shoal, was included as a part of Zhongsha Islands into Chinese territory.
    In October 1947, Chinese government announced the new namelist of South China Sea islands, in which Scarborough Shoal was included and renamed to Democratic Reef as a part of Zhongsha Islands. In 1983, China’s board on geographic names released a list of geographic names of some South China Sea islands, which decided to use Huangyan Island as the standard name of the island and Democratic Reef as an alternative name.
    All the official maps published by Chinese governments of different historical periods marked Huangyan Island as Chinese territory. Huangyan Island has been consistently under administration of China’s Guangdong Province first and Hainan Province later. China’s sovereignty over Huangyan Island has been declared in all government announcements and statements on South China Sea.
    2. China has long been developing and exploiting Huangyan Island.
    Huangyan Island and its surrounding waters are traditional fisheries for Chinese fishermen. Since ancient times, Chinese fishermen have been fishing around Huangyan Island. Many scientific expeditions organized by China’s State Bureau of Surveying, National Earthquake Bureau and National Bureau of Oceanography have been held in the island and its surrounding waters.
    3. Some comments on the Philippines’ claim
    The composition and scope of the Philippine territory are set by a series of international treaties, none of which involves Huangyan Island or includes the island into the Philippine territorial land.
    The Treaty of Paris (1898), The Treaty of Washington (1900) and the Treaty between Great Britain and the United States (1930) state clearly that the west limit of the Philippine territory is 118 degrees east longitude, while Huangyan Island — with coordinates 15 degrees and 8 minutes to 15 degrees and 14 minutes north latitude, 117 degrees and 44 minutes to 117 degrees and 48 minutes east longitude — is obviously outside this limit.
    The 1935 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, the 1946 Treaty of General Relations between the United States of America and the Republic of the Philippines, the 1952 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty, the 1961 Republic Act No.3046 and the 1968 Republic Act No.5446 have reaffirmed the legal effects of the above-mentioned three treaties and once again expressively defined the Philippine territorial limits, the baseline points and baseline of the territorial waters, which had not included Huangyan Island.
    The Philippine maps published in 1981 and 1984, just to name a few, also indicated that Huangyan Island is outside the Philippine territorial limits. The above facts fully prove that Huangyan Island is outside the scope of Philippine territory.
    Until 1997, the Philippines had never put dispute on China’s jurisdiction and development on Huangyan Island, while it repeatedly stated that Huangyan Island was outside the Philippine territory. Then Philippine ambassador to Germany indicated clearly in his letter to a German radio amateur on February 5, 1990 that, Huangyan Island was not within the Philippine territory and sovereignty according to the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority of the Philippines.
    The documents issued by the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority of the Philippines and the Philippine amateur radio organization to the American Radio Relay League on October 18 and November 18, 1994 had also confirmed respectively that the Philippine territorial limits and sovereignty was stipulated by the Article 3 of the Treaty of Paris (1889) and Huangyan Island is outside of the Philippine territory boundaries.
    “The land dominates the sea” is a basic principle of the international law of sea. The United Nations Convention on the Law Of the Sea (UNCLOS) allows coastal states to claim a 200-nautical-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), but coastal states have no rights to undermine the inherent territory and sovereignty of other countries. It is a violation of the principles of international laws, including that of the UNCLOS, to change the ownership of the territorial sovereignty through the UNCLOS.
     

    • rjimenez1226

      Then why are you afraid to  have this arbitrated in an international tribunal? Let’s see which argument is stronger  and  the Philippines will tell you that the Philippines all along has been administering this area since it became a country. What is only obvious is that China’s greed has gone beyond everyone’s imagination  and it wants to clain the whole of West Philippine Sea. The whole world sees through China’s greed.

      • Charles Obryan

        I would like to echo and add to rjimenez1226 comment. If you think you can make the mistake of stealing there property by force you will be humiliated by the United States. and I am all for that. 

      • kabayongtao

        Note that China doesn’t think they are stealing these islands from anyone.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TEOXDWCP7O2ZBBIRGMGWBSHKOI Mao Mao Chamn

      Very good….you may now submit this to ITLOS (International Tribunal on Laws of the Seas)….who knows, you may win the case…..but personally, China’s claim of ownership and sovereignty of the shoal are all garbage..But, yeah, you can submit your article to prove your point.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/L22RGWRGXTZ3HOS3IZ3RJ3X55E scdad07

         Philippines Tomas Coloma discovered Spratly Islands ?

        I hope every Pinoy will post that around the world.

        LOL.

    • kapitanvic1

      Someone must have first discovered the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, the Indian Ocean and other large body of waters. How come no one is claiming these international waters as their own?

    • kabayongtao

      At the very least, it wasn’t a hate message. Liked.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002612084317 Angeles John

      With due respect, if you are confident with China’s claim, why not go to an impartial, international tribunal to resolve the dispute?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W7KL7PIACPEHNTZ2LYJD7XUBZA bogs

      REALLY … ????? ….. then dont be afraid …. IF YOUR HISTORY CLAIM IS TRUE …. PROVE THAT TO THE ….. INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL …. U.N.- ITLOS ….. you know what …. your reason is very obvious …… YOU ARE AFRAID TO SEATTLE THIS MATTERS THRU ….. UN-ITLOS …. BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT PROVE YOUR CLAIM …. and that is very clear indication why …. CHINA IS AFRAID TO GO TO UN – ITLOS …. to settle the dispute …. AM I CORRECT …. OR YOU ARE JUST A STUPID ARROGANT ….. and BEING AN EXPANSIONIST ….. AND GREEDY OF OIL …. china will go down if starve with oil …. china is becoming BULLY AND IRRESPONSIBLE NEIGHBOR BECAUSE OF ITS GREEDINESS … AND EXPANSIONIST …… NOW THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU …. everybody knew you motives ….. greedy chinese ….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/L22RGWRGXTZ3HOS3IZ3RJ3X55E scdad07

        Both China and Philippines exempted themselves on ‘sovereignty issue’ when they signed the UNCLOS in 1982.

        The world is watching how Philippines’ Del Rosario is making himself and Philippines the laughingstock.

        USA will just give them $30  million. ASEAN members said nothing to support Philippines, not to mention any EU nation.

      • KapitanBagwis

         China is the laughingstock of the world for bullying and intimidating a small and weak country like the Philippines.

        The joke is on China because they are afraid to go to UNCLOS for they will surely lose.

      • Marx Louis Wang

         CRAP! IF THAT IS TRUE WHY DID CHINA SIGN THE UNCLOS?

    • reyAragon

       Going by your argument, does this mean the United States of America now owns the moon just because it was the first to explore it, map it and walk on it?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/X3ZK2G4VEHXPIDWFO6DR272K3U Lei

        it is not his argument, it is the international law or rule, all countries agree and follow. if there is a law or rule state that whoever explore the noon first owns it, and all countries agree on that. Yes! not is there any? go back to read, do not show your Ignorance here

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3J3IHTI75VVG6EXQ5G3GEUYMLQ Tsinoy Texas Boy

       Malay 1ST. discovered the Scarborough shoal NOT THE RED CHINESE

    • Kapit_tuko80

      KUBLAI KHAN IS NOT CHINESE  BUT A MONGOLIAN EMPEREROR (SON OF GENGHIS KHAN).

      The main reason why the GREAT WALL OF CHINA was buill is to fend off the Mongols, but unfortunately they were too powerful to be stopped by a wall
      Perhaps mongolia should be instead claiming PANATAG Islands, GEE i forgot Mongolia is currently under the clout of CHINA

    • Anobatoha

       History of the Philippines (Source: Wikipedia)

      In prehistoric times, Negritos were some of the archipelago’s earliest inhabitants. They were followed by successive waves of Austronesian peoples who brought with them influences from Malay, Hindu, and Islamic societies.

      The metatarsal of Callao Man is reported to have been reliably dated by uranium-series dating to 67,000 years ago[17] thereby replacing the Tabon Man of Palawan, carbon-dated to around 24,000 years ago[18][19] as the oldest human remains found in the archipelago. Negritos were among the archipelago’s earliest inhabitants but their appearance in the Philippines has not been reliably dated.[20]
      There are several opposing theories regarding the origins of ancient
      Filipinos. F. Landa Jocano theorizes that the ancestors of the Filipinos
      evolved locally. Wilhelm Solheim’s Island Origin Theory[21] postulates that the peopling of the archipelago transpired via trade networks originating in the antediluvian Sundaland area around 48000 to 5000 BCE rather than by wide-scale migration. The Austronesian Expansion Theory states that Malayo-Polynesians coming from Taiwan began migrating to the Philippines around 4000 BCE, displacing earlier arrivals.[22][23]
      Whatever the case, by 1000 BCE the inhabitants of the archipelago had
      developed into four kinds of social groups: hunter-gathering tribes,
      warrior societies, petty plutocracies, and “MARITIME-CENTERED HARBOR PRINCIPALITIES.”

      Our ancestors already began their occupation on our waters way before your Chinese astronomer Guo Shoujing conducted your so called survey.

    • GKLer

      In the year 3000BC Filipino fishermen, who are only 200km away were already fishing in the area while China was still fishing near the mainland.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCY4PZV6IKQASOJBA3J22UWIYI vendetta

      actually homo erectus discovered it first

  • rjimenez1226

    The Chinese  are attacking our sovereignty about the island and they have no right to demand anything.  The world can easily see that the Chinese is trying to bambozzle us tpo acquisce to their imperialist ambitions in the West Philippine sea.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OW5VJQTWNFCURYAZ3M3L4GDUM4 Goyong

      I do agree. Amen

    • USA_yourfather

      Come on Man! If somthing is belong to you, will you let the court ruled that? Such as your wife is belong to you, and someone want to robbed her. Will you let the guy take away and fuc* your wife first, and then ask the court for help instead of  protecting her by yourself? If the island is belong to you ,why you do nothing before 1997?

      • ambotlangsamok

         If that “something” really belongs to you and you have all legal evidences, that prove that, that “something” is yours, then there is no reason for the court not give that “something” to you. But why your country refuses to bring that case to ITLOS?

      • USA_yourfather

        So do you have any evidence to prove that the island is yours? Do not just tell me because it is close to Philippines. Guam island is far away from USA but it still belong to USA. Talk to me son, I am USA, your father.

      • ambotlangsamok

        why ask the philippines only, ask china also. i think we’ve already met somewhere. bakit hindi mo na lang kasi aminin na kaya lumalayas yung ibang insik sa china dahil walang wastong kalayaa na mapapala ang mga mamayan sa gobyernong yan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/WL5ZAFNN5GOIQXBOD3XIHYF7ZA rudyd

        Well, if you’re talking about your wife then that’s a diff story, but what there talking about here is an island and if the Chinese gov’t have a proof that they own the island then why not bring this to the court and proved it coz the only one who’s doing the proving right now is the Philippines.

      • USA_yourfather

        LOL, I am talking about your wife. thanks. And I ask you guys a question as well, do you have anything to prove the island is yours???? The Territory of Guahan is far away from USA as well, but it still belong to USA.
        Philippine do this because it have nothing to lose, that’s why you want to robbed. I am USA, your father! Go home to sleep, son.

      • Meow Ming

        The Philippines together with Guam and Marianas Island were bought by the US from Spain

  • txtman

    ALL FILIPINOS MUST POST THEIR RESPONSIBLE COMMENTS
         @ CNN INTERNATIONAL REGARDING THE SCARBOROUGH SHOAL ISSUE

  • w33k3nd3r

    Take it to the international court because not only is the Philippines being affected by this– other neighboring nations are also staking claim and they have a right to sound out their input in this because their sovereignty is being disturbed as well. If we are to progress as a global community, taking these things to arbitration is imperative. We drum up about globalization; we should practice it as well.

    • USA_yourfather

      Philippine Daily Inquirer  issue the Journal article on May 10 and said the Aquino government asked the U.S. to use force to defend the Philippines Huangyan Island Sound cable, and declared that the territorial claims in the Philippines is based on the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, but the U.S. does not recognition of the Convention. This is so embarrassing – even a bit funny.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JZDQX3XMUHVZ5COIEOUI553XNM Bill

      Philippines need to drop the claim on Sabah. All people in Sabah voted to join Malaysia in 1963. UN and every country in the world recognize this fact. If you cannot follow the UN rule, why do you expect anyone to listen to you. So Malaysia will definitely not support you in ASEAN. You should

      • Meow Ming

        It’s the heir of Sultan of Sulu which happens to be filipino citizen who were insistent to claim Sabah on behalf of the Philippines, who until now are still being paid rent by Malaysia.

  • 952140193

    How much is your salary

    • ambotlangsamok

       why?

  • Prouder than ever 2B Filipino

    hahah…Chinese wants to put our guards down so that they can move forward…You thought all people are from your nation.

  • pinoyusa2012

    Fnally, an effort to diffuse the situation. This is the only way PH can save face.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6BSQWWPOC6TYK4QLMVYJHPFMA sov

      Let us make known  and spread what these mainland Chinese are doing  to a peaceful county like the Philippines!  If it is hapenning  to us  what more to the rest of the world! Wake up South East Asia!

  • RobertoMagtuytoy

    NO ! NO TEMPOLALY> We WANT WAL!

  • txtman

    ALL FILIPINOS MUST POST THEIR RESPONSIBLE COMMENTS
        @CNN INTERNATIONAL REGARDING THE ISSUE OF SCARBOROUGH SHOAL

    NOT JUST IN THIS PAPER

    COZ ONLY PINOYS WILL READ YOUR COMMENTS HERE

    IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT OUR VOICES BE HEARD INTERNATIONALLY

    LET US EXPOSE CHINA, THE BULLY SUPERPOWER

    PITIFUL
     

    • pinoyusa2012

      You might expose yourself as a little kid who instigate war but really does not have the power to assert oneself. You will be the laughing stock of all nations.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6BSQWWPOC6TYK4QLMVYJHPFMA sov

        hmm…schools in  here in north america are taught to stand up against bullying. where have you been? bullying is so passe already!

      • pinoyusa2012

        someone playing the victim. for symphaty. I find it dishonorable.

      • Danidanado

         So says a BS Pinoy from CHINA!   Fiftycenter alert!

      • pinoyusa2012

        Ur avatar is simply repulsive. bwaaaaaah…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • pinoyusa2012

    Mga Kababayan,

    Bilateral talks is the only way PH can save face.

    Going to international arbitration would not resolve the problem because it would only divide the UN or ASEAN. Who is siding with us or against us.

    All these maps, treaties, conventions to prove ownership is a great debate but the reality is both are claiming. The only way to resolve this is war.

    The talks details were not mentioned because the main issue we are trying to assert, ownership, would not be put on the table.

    What is there to discuss?

    1) How to avoid incursions?
    2) How to handle sea traffic?
    3) What to built?
    4) What to take?
    5) How to resolve future incidents?

    and so on…

    The incident shows our flaws. Let it be a catalyst to improve ourselves.

    Maraming Salamat Po. Ang Inyong Lingkod. PEACE.

    • ambotlangsamok

      hmmm?

      • pinoyusa2012

        what do you think?

    • to0

      Mmmmm! You have a defeatist attitude. We have no more choice except to bring our Complaint to the UNCLOS. Useless negotiating with the the Chinese. The only language they can understand is at the point of a barrel. We do not have a gun, so we refer our problem to the UNCLOS. You are like the Bayan Muna Party list. They advocate nationalism, but their target is always America. This Party list group is nothing but a mouth piece of Communist China. It is highly unusual that at the present situation in which we are being bullied by China, the Party List Bayan Muna is so deepeningly silent. “Nakakabingi ang kanilang katahimikan.” Fake Nationalist, psuedo nationalist. Yon pala, they are mouth piece of China. He he he. In a way, buti na nangyari itong crisis, at least, magkaalaman na. Ang mga Chinese sa Senate and Congress, napaka tahimik.  He he he. TRAITORS!

      • pinoyusa2012

        Now and then we encounter idiots like you. hehe.

      • to0

        You are the idiot, all you know is name calling and nothing more. You can not even defend your opinion.

        ________________________________
        From: Disqus
        To: samontehe@yahoo.com
        Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:20 PM
        Subject: [inq-newsinfo] Re: Philippines, China talking again

        Disqus generic email template

        pinoyusa2012 wrote, in response to to0:
        Now and then we encounter idiots you like you. hehe.
        Link to comment

      • pinoyusa2012

        I already stated my position and knowing yours, I could only define it as a mind of an idiot. I apologize. No further argument. Defense rest!

      • to0

        Chinese trait. Putting down your enemy by name calling is the most idiotic thing to do. What if ;your enemy box you, would your stupid words of yours help. Only idiot resort to name calling.

        ________________________________
        From: Disqus
        To: samontehe@yahoo.com
        Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:16 PM
        Subject: [inq-newsinfo] Re: Philippines, China talking again

        Disqus generic email template

        pinoyusa2012 wrote, in response to to0:
        I already stated my position and knowing yours, I could only define it as a mind of an idiot. I apologize. Link to comment

      • pinoyusa2012

        oppsss. I hit a nerve.

  • Menyet

    Ngayon siguro nararanasan na nyo kung papaano pakiramdam ng may nakuha ng iyong lupain. Ganyan din yon ang mga squater matatapang pa kaya kung squater ka paalisin kahit goverment land.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6BSQWWPOC6TYK4QLMVYJHPFMA sov

    Philippines , China talking again…. i hope it’s not a bargain sale…..

    • Marx Louis Wang

       It was a useless talk, still they insist on ownership of South China Sea. We should also own Philippine Sea AND NOT LET THEIR CARGO SHIPS PASS THROUGH THE PACIFIC OCEAN!!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2WD7SWLWLA6TXJK3ZB54ZQ5HM fong w

    China did philippines a lot of favors,  when the earthquake hit philippines china was one of the countries that aided them signicantly. there wont be a war, china is growing to be a superpower, they gain nothing from this war, it would make no sense for them to fight

    • to0

      Mr. fong w. You are as blind as your comrades are on what really is happening. Your government is lying to you to the point that you do not know the facts anymore. Sorry for you, your government censurs your press freedom. So it is not surpising that you are singing a different song compared to what is happening around you. I will give you the facts and you have to believe it. You can ask anyone except your Chinese Communist Government and they will tell you the truth.

      During Typhoon Ondoy, the first foreign power that assist the helpless Filipino to that devastating calamity is America. In 3 days, the Americans sent their military vessels including an Aircraft Carrier and sent their giant troop carrier helicopters, dozens of them. And on board are Military Doctors, and dozens of military men who would assist in search and rescue. They also brought tons of medicine, tents, C rations including nutricious biscuits, water purifiers and electric generators. The first wave of military man right away went to work and pluck those helpless Filipinos on their fragile roof and brought them to higher grown. Our Chinese Pro Chinese President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has spent all the nation’s money, she has no more to give to those who were affected by the flood. Our President beg the local government to release their calamity funds. This is how corrupt our Pro Chinese little lady President has been, considering that she has a pure blooded Chinese husband who also got involve in corruption. Anyway, America contributed about $ 32 million dollars. UN. contributed $ 2 million dollars, Japan contributed $220,000 plus $1 million addition. Total contribution from other countries in terms of goods, services, and money in dollars, $ 20 million! CHINA CONTRIBUTED HE HE HE HE a country wherein the Trade is worth $250 billion dollars in favor of China. He he he. CHINA CONTRIBUTED $ 10 THOUSAND DOLLARS! I repeat, CHINA CONTRIBUTED $ 10,000. China is a very good neigbhor, he will not think twice sending its illegal drug chemist to the Philippines with container loads of chemical to manufacture ‘Shabu’. China would not hesitate exporting to the PHilippines fake goods, inferiour goods, goods tainted with toxic chemicals, goods which are undersize. And all these Chinese made goods is passed as the real one and are OVER PRICES. He he he. That’s how good the Chinese are towards the Filipinos. They cheat!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=568394378 Alcantara Giovanie

        intellegent! well said and I a so happy to what you have posted. keep it up.

      • to0

        Thanks! The Filipinos should open their eyes to what is happening around them. Let us not be fooled by these Filipino-Chinese double talks. The are born cheaters. So is their comrades in the mainland.

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        intellegent! well said and I a so happy to what you have posted. keep it up. Link to comment

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ED6A2XHBBMQQYM4MFSZ7BMIB4M batang-gas

    China probably forgot that the Philippines is a democratic country where the Filipinos can freely express themselves.   China is angry why the Philippine government cannot stop its angry citizens from protesting against China’s bullying and land grabbing.

    • to0

      You are right. Chinese with their slit eyes can not understand Democracy. They have been brainwash for so long, they do not know that they still have human rights. Look what they did to that blind Chinaman who was advocating freedom for his Chinese citizen. Their government harass him, put him in jail, threaten his family, relatives, and friends,  but the blind man put one over the millions of Chinese enforcers. He surrepticously went to the US embassy. he he he. One track minded is not good for a country as big as China.

      What I object is for the PNP to prevent the demonstrators from burning the Chinese flag. While our Chinese Dominated Government is protecting Chinese flag, they are blind to the fact that those Communist Filipino puppets like Bayan Muna is burning the American Flag left and right. Our local Commuinist puppets would even throw paint at the gate of American Embassy. Yet, suspeciously, the PNP lay a blind eye. He he he. The Press even caught in Video these stupid PNP, sleeping in his patrol car.

  • therese benipayo

    Busy kase sa pagnanakaw sa kaban kaya tuloy nasakop na tayo ng tsekwa

    • willylansangan

      benipayo may proof kaba na nagnanakaw ang mga nakaupo ngayon kung mayroon tulungan kita mag file ng complain sa ombudsman ok

  • to0

    He he he. I told you so. China could not afford to fight the Filipinos for the simple reason that the latter has no arms at all! China did the right thing, negotiate. If he did something wrong with a country as helpless as the Philippines, it knows that the whole world opinion would really, I say again, really turn against him. China’s economic miracle is not one sided. It has also to export it’s products. And it takes a good relationship and good reputation to sell your wares. Think if the whole world would boycott “Made in China” products? There will be social disorder in all of major Chinese cities. And China does not want that to happen. China has to placate it’s citizen. No amount of large military might can down it’s population if it’s citizen can not take it anymore. The Chinese should learn what the Filipinos has done, “People power.” Good that China has cool down. 

    But, no matter what, the Philippines should lodges it’s protest on intrusion and plundering it’s resources on it’s territorial water. Our claim to those shoals which we call Kalayaan group of islands is non negotiable. 

  • Glen

    This bullshit! A waste of my precious time reading bullshit article.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkMen2000 MarkMen2000

    Ownership of the islands would effect maritime boundaries and be a big benefit to fishers as well as China’s government

  • Marx Louis Wang

    Hong said “…and that Philippine vessels leave the shoal, which China calls…” WHAAAAATTT!!!! He is dictating us to do something on our very own backyard!!! What kind on thinking is that? Talagang walanghiya!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MOU5YFSASYBQSGLJZVRUB7T2K4 Peter Sea

    Southeast Asian countries, not China, own their 200 mile economic zones.  Southeast Asians are natives of their 200 mile economic zones, while  people from China are foreigners.

    Southeast Asians do not need to prove that they discovered their economic zones first because those zones have been part of their native fishing grounds and native islands before the Chinese discovered those areas.

    China is a colonial power for declaring the Southeast Asians 200 mile economic zones  part of China’s territory.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3J3IHTI75VVG6EXQ5G3GEUYMLQ Tsinoy Texas Boy

       MALAY RACE FIRST DISCOVERED SCARBOROUGH AND NOT THE HAN CHINESE – THEY ARE TOO FAR TO HAVE DISCOVERED IT FIRST DUH

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      Tell that to your big brother, the States

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3J3IHTI75VVG6EXQ5G3GEUYMLQ Tsinoy Texas Boy

    PHILIPPINE IS DEMOCRACTIC SO LOTS OF PEOPLE PUBLISH MAPS  ITS NOT LIKE IN CHINA THERE IS ONLY 1 MAP MAKER HEHEHEHEHE

    • Marx Louis Wang

       SO, WHAT’S YOUR POINT?

  • PHtaxpayer

    It’s not enough for Filipino’s or the PH govt to say that is our territory.  Not only must we protect it, we also must utilize, occupy and exploit it.  But we have little means and capability to do that or we lack the resources and political will.

    • to0

      Yes, we lack political will because our Chinese Dominated Government are Corraborators and subservient to their Chinese master in their fatherland. Just observe how silent our Legislatives comprising the Senate and our Representatives (Congressmen) are. All of them are practically Chinese. And at this moment, they are committing TREASON!  They are traitor to our country base on the Oath of Office before they took their position. They pledge with their right hand with their left hand to the BIBLE that they will protect our Constitution and our Sovereignty. And this is what we get electing liars in our government. These bunch of politicians has their loyalty to their ancestor’s fatherland which is China. They are in their government position to plunder what is rightfully belongs to the Filipinos. And this is what PNoy is doing right now. Through the PPP or Public Private Partnership, he is selling or leasing all what belongs to the Filipino citizen.  They  borrow billions of dollars, not for the Filipinos but for themselves. Chinese are like that. They say one thing and does the opposit. Mantakin mo, we are at the height of a national crisis and all these Congressmen and Senators does is to scratch their balls. He heh e. Ehem. Pardon ladies.

  • lullabella

    Why is there no mention of the drilling activities in Panatag Shoal that the Chinese began last Wednesday, as they announced and as reported by the Xinhua News Agency and international Media on Tuesday (which the PDI picked up only on Wednesday)? Why is there inordinate amount of attention on the news on the number of vessels there, but not on what the heck they are doing there? Also, why does Malacañang bend over backwards in assuring China that the government had no hand in the protests? Kahit wala ngang kinalaman ang gobyerno, and indeed why should that happen when we are a democratic country where each citizen has the Constitutional right of expression (unlike China), bakit kelangang mag-explain sa kanila o kahit kanino man? They might have the might, but we have the right! And there are international venues to assert that right, recognized by civilized nations — I say, bring this case already to the international tribunal for arbitration! The government should not be short-sighted at nakatutok lang dito sa immediate development ng bilateral talks. Di sila titigal lang ng basta ganyan, they’re in for the long haul, China has enormous need for oil and gas resources, so by securing where vast deposits are, they are assured for the long-term. These, on the surface, diplomatic moves are actually masking activities that they are already undertaking in Panatag Shoal. And this is not even a secret! Inaabot nila ang kanang kamay as a move towards an understanding, habang may hinuhugot na kasabay ang kaliwa. May mas malaking strategy or grand design ang mga yan, at kelangan handa tayo. Umpisa lang ito.

    • Marx Louis Wang

       Good point, right and very right!

    • to0

      You are telling the truth. Next election on 2013, next year, let us remove all fair and yellow skin politicians off our rosters. Their loyalty is so questionable. PNoy us to these point has not yet give the go signal to lodge our territorial complaint in UNCOS. He is 101% Chinese, so with Roxas, his advicer. Both has not made a move to bring our grievances to the UN. They basically committing an act of TREASON. So with our Legislative branch of the government. In time of crisis, many some Senators, and 80% of Congressmen are absent. Many do not believe that we are in crisis regarding China’s intrusion to our territory… This is how yellow our government is. Chinese corraborators!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCY4PZV6IKQASOJBA3J22UWIYI vendetta

        calm down, man.  please put away your torch and pitchfork.  Chinese people in PH have nothing to do with it

      • to0

        Our Congressmen who are mostly Chinese seldom are loyal to their adopted country.

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        calm down, man.  please put away your torch and pitchfork.  Chinese people in PH have nothing to do with it Link to comment

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    China says let’s negotiate this.  Philippines get out of Scarborough and don’t come back.  Wow.  Now that is what I call negotiations of the worst kind.  Sounds more like an ultimatum to me.

  • PHtaxpayer

    Protesters in America are of no help to the PH claim as the Fil-Ams there represent neocolonialism.  Favoring one superpower over another is not going to help our cause for sovereignty over the West PH Sea as it diminishes our independence.
    When the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese and Koreans fought for independence and to claim back their territory from foreign domination, they did not protest in America.  I think we look stupid, as Asians, protesting in the US when the US were our subjugation and slaughtered many innocent civilians from 1899 up to 1945 while supporting the corrupt dictator Marcos during the worst period in our nations history.  
    Only propaganda has made a lot of young and misinformed people ignore the truth and history of this.   The PH must fight alone.  If the US wants to helps, we must dictate how they may do it – give us arms and assets but no troops, planes or ships in our territory.  That is how it was done by North Vietnam in the Vietnam War and Ho Chi Minh was able to win the political war before he won the conventional war against the US-puppet South who were relying on the Americans to do their fighting.

    Besides, Filipino’s should know the truth – the American public will not accept American soldiers dying for the PH or her territory.  That will not happen.  Wake up!

    • to0

      Sorry, you got it all wrong. It just so happen that the main headquarter of United Nation is in America (New York). We are not lodging our protest to the Americans, excuse me, we are suppose to bring our complaint to the UNCLOS.

      • PHtaxpayer

        You can protest and dance all day at the UN while the Chinese are actively occupying and drilling our territory.  Yah, right.

      • to0

        The way u speak, yu are sending a message that no matter what, you favor China. Don’t pretend to be a PHtaxpayer because from the way you speak, you have blown open your cover. You are a Chinese and 100% loyal to China. Be that as it may, it would be better for you to leave the Philippines if their is any shame and descency left in you and migrate back to your ancestors fatherland. You will just be branded to be a traitor and a spy if you remain in the Philippines. Generally, spy is not covered under the Geneva Convension. Meaning, I can do anything I want with you. He he he. Traitor. PH taxper dow. Lol!

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        PHtaxpayer wrote, in response to to0:
        You can protest and dance all day at the UN while the Chinese are actively occupying and drilling our territory.  Yah, right. Link to comment

      • PHtaxpayer

        Yah sure.  The truth hurts so you resort to immature personal attacks, eh?  Whatever!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM3A3YMF3CWSKT6TTV7UTYE2LI Stahldrac

        lol PHtaxpayer, Your lame cover was blown. 

        Btw, with or without US help, we can still put up a good fight. ;)

      • tagahuron

        Do you really pay taxes?

    • palaigit

      you should be the one who should wake up… this attitude is what really makes us a backward country, we dont have the zeal and patriotism that other countries have. let us change our attitude and hope and fight for whats right and best for our country… the protesters are at least doing the least they could..dont forget that the citizens is as strong as any, they have countless times dethroned and toppled tyrants and etc, the voice of the people counts for a lot. hopefully it would not be your type of voice which is an outcry from being a phil taxpayer.

      • PHtaxpayer

        “What voice of the people”??   You live in a virtual Disneyland if you believe in that BS.  US govt has toppled democratically-elected govts (Iran 1953) and supported authoritarian and military dictatorships (Marcos, Gen. Zia, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, etc) as well as terrorist regimes (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and Israel).  “Occupy Wall Street Movement” protesters get greeted by rubber bullets and police truncheons.
        The only real protest or “voice of the people” is through revolution and civil war.  I am not communist nor do I support those actions but I am only talking about reality as taught to us by history.  You like to believe in propaganda to keep you like sheep.

      • palaigit

        you think like a communist, like those revolutionist. dude, this disneyland thinking of mine is the same thinking during ww2 when all hope was almost lost, europe at the grasp of hitler and russia hanging at the brink of destruction, the pacific just a few islands away from total domination of the japs..we cannot discuss each leaders that you mentioned, i think you cant match my thinking, there were reasons for backing each one, marcos for the communist, iraq for begin against iran. who would not want to dispose of pol pot, the US has been the world police with regards this. but i think you cant have that line of thinking, if youd base your info in just plain journals and news. of course occupy wallstreet would be greeted with such, even i regardless if i support their cause would not support what they did, wall street is a business hub, they were creating ruckus in a biz district. protest ok, but dont disrupt commerce and public functions. another evidence> look at myanmar, one little tiny voice of suu kyi, look at nelson mandela, both of them imprisoned for decades but i marvel at the results, they pushed through with just their little voice. and thats just one person, or even rizal, persecuting a non combatant but a plain writer…think outside the box. as i said, your backward thinking

      • PHtaxpayer

        My my, very idealistic.  I can be idealistic too but I am more of a realist, if you want to talk about ideologies.  I can not only match your thinking but out-think you as well, word-for-word.  It is obvious you are full of propaganda.  Let’s take one subject at a time, shall we?  Let’s start with Marcos, since we all are very intimate with the subject…

        Before Marcos declared martial law and took away human rights in Sept 1972, the PH was one of the most modern Asian nations.  China and Vietnam were off-limits to tourists and were not part of the international community.  Today, the PH is backward while China is a superpower and Vietnam is rapidly overtaking the PH economy.

        Marcos used the US propaganda of “communist domino theory” that if Vietnam and Korea falls to the communists, the PH will be next, so he hatched up a plan to bomb Plaza Miranda and blame it on the NPA, thus giving reason to declare himself dictator.

        At the time, the US had Clark and Subic and could have easily stopped him but said nothing until more than 13 years later when the EDSA revolution was peaking, and all it said to Marcos was “Cut now and cut clean” and rescued Marcos, his family and Gen. Ver with their maletas of peso and dollar bills and jewelry, to Hawaii.

        The “communist domino theory” was proven to be false and was merely propaganda to scare the public into accepting US militarism…after the US-Vietnam War, Nixon opened diplomatic relations with communist China and Vietnam shortly went to war with China over a border dispute in North Vietnam/Southern China and later in the Spratley’s.  

        American experts and historians described the Chinese invasion of North Korea in 1949 as an independent decision, not to “spread communism” but to drive out McArthur’s forces who were threatening China.  Truth was, US was the aggressor, not China, as they violated the UN mandate to separate the 2 Koreas by the 38th Parallel and unite the Korean peninsula and threatened Mao Tse Tung with the Atom bomb.   

        Can you dispute my facts?  Please, let’s hear your case with facts and historical events, not ideologies and personal attacks.  IF YOU CAN.

      • palaigit

        TO PHtaxpayer
         im never a propagandist, its you who started that. im a realist and as i said, id rather help and be positive about the coutnry, not the backward thinking that you have…
        you are talking about marcos wherein in your previous comment you took into context cambodia, iraq and other countries. but if we are going to talk about communism and china then so be it.
        let me ask you this, do you ever personally know a communist first hand? i know lots of them and their internal workings, the funding that they have and the rallies that they hold. i dont abide by what they do but i respect their rights of doing so. 

        lets be real, there was a serious threat of communism in the country, marcos got his hands tied behind his back and was forced to do that. marcos was the reason that the philippines was one of the most modern countries ever, the streets. electricity, bridges and bldgs that under his administration built are still used now, infact the renovated roads were marcos era still. 

        i dont agree of the marcos’ deliberate disregard for rights, countless unaccounted murders and the economic corruption of the phil, but be real, which phil president to date could match the zenith that we had before?even the economic graduate gloria became a stu..pid blunder.

        also think clearly and be more real, the largest communist coalition, the USSR, do you approve of such? and what they did? have you thoroughly studied ww2 and its exploits, how russia did some land grabbing? ( i think you lack that knowledge) i could narrate to you step by step each word that happened in ww2 and still undergoing study about the secret exploits of each country…the US conquered most of europe, now are they controlling those countries? is the US controlling isreal, japan, czech, germany and etc? NO they did not, they brought democracy to those countries and did not control that… infact gen george patton feared that the US must stop the advance of russia for the sake of democracy, yet they turned a deaf ear and now is licking the wounds of post cold war era..

        if your implying that the US is a bully, then please open your eyes and look at what china is doing to us and vietnam in 1988! goodness, that is bullying! and for what purpose? oil and tons of resources that could be ours, now that is bullying! unless you have a different definition of the word.

        the US wants to ensue democracy that is why they tried to combat the chinese in the korean war, now please look at sokor, are they suffering from the democracy that the US fought for? goodness, look at nokor, they are the ones that is in is in a decrepit state and a military first era, millions are hungry and etc.. now yet you are backing up the chinese communist for what they did? be real, your the propagandist.

        the USSR is all broken up, most countries who were formerly under it is now members of the EU and russia is threatened by all their moves, but russia does not dictate their actions anymore. others are members of NATO even…
        dude im a information monger, i dont base my debates on senseless emotional pseudo intellectual impulsive cogitation towards you…
        i dont take sides, but i listen to reason, i dont want to be biased even…

      • PHtaxpayer

        Your logic is flawed…i was never arguing for a communist state.  My point is that ideology does not constitute govt policy.  Capitalism can be just as damaging to peace, stability and development as communism so it is important for govt policy to strike a balance between supporting the masses and private enterprise, between national and international interests and between economic and political objectives.  

        There was never a “serious threat of communism” to the PH – that was a myth created by the Marcos regime.  In 1972, the NPA numbered only a few thousands with no support from other communists countries.  You forget that the communist movement was successful in in China, Vietnam, North Korea and Russia because they were popular movements that sprang up because of injustices to the masses (Czar of Russia, KMT govt, neocolonialism in South Vietnam under the French 1954 and South Korea 1949 under US occupation).  

        There was no such popular uprising in the PH 1972 because Filipino’s preferred a constitutional democracy which was abolished by the Marcos regime under the support of the US military bases.

        You are side-stepping the truth.  You cannot justify the development of the PH economy and infrastructure under the guise of tyranny and foreign loans, much of which was behest and given to Marcos’ cronies which the PH public is paying to this day. 

      • PHtaxpayer

        Your logic is flawed as I was never arguing for communism.  Unlike you, I know the limits of ideology whether its communism or capitalism.  I would rather argue whether govt policy has any real effect on our national interests.

        You are side-stepping the issue and crediting Marcos for development but disregard it was done in a tyrannical govt with no transparency and accountability – foreign loans that were behest and went to cronies, monopolies that took over private enterprise and created an elite powerful group above the law.  

      • palaigit

        as i said and read my comment well, i never agreed to all of his (marcos) means. i definitely abhor those corruptible manner of which he did that. but compare our decrepit push over state now from before, people now are still feeling the brunt of our economic snailed pace.. think about that.. as i said, im a realist..

        oh you were defending the stand of china warring against US in korea, so in a way you are defending the concept that china stands for, which is the spread of communism..
        i would not refute your thoughts about our interests but then again, if we think of only the current situation and not for the 5 year, 10 year or even 20 year plan then that logic is also flawed..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

     There is no other alternative for the Philippines, except going to ITLOS. As of this time, Philippine officials are hesitant to file formal  case because China is not amenable to the plan. What China wants  is a bilateral talk and no third party be invlove to resolve the Scarborough Shoal conflict.  Years ago,  Vietnam tried to settle their island dispute with China,  by war and resulted to 70 Vietnamese soldiers dead. When shooting stopped, China owned and occupied the island. Years and years ago,  Argentina tried to settle their   Falkland island dispute with UK by war. The shooting stopped,  UK  owned the island. Falkland is very far from UK. The military might and power will prevail . China is a superpower compared to the Philippines. China has practically occupied the Scarborough Shoal now. China ecomically attacked the Philippines, by stopping chinese tourists coming to the Philippines. China stop buying Philippine banana, pineapple and papaya. This involve millions or billions of pesos.  Philippines is already on the losing side of the conflict. ASEAN member countries are silent to the issue. Why they should get involve?  These countries are protecting their own interests, because China has more than a billion population and big market for them.  In  Philippine case, while waiting for whatever possible solution, our banana and other fruit export will suffer. Philippine fruit farmers undergo or feel pain and hungry in the years to come. Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III has caused all this mess. His hostile stance against China, when this conflict started and he was  very confident and assuming that  USA will automatically enter the war zone for the Philippines. This is a very very sad event in the Philippine history….because Pilipinos elected the Unthinking President….

    • Jun Go

      too fast to pass judgment as the president to be blamed.  be the president of the country, and see how your leadership could resolve the matter.  this situation is best resolved through a united philippines, rather than too much blaming within.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

        Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III  showed superiority and excessive pride at the start of this conflict against China. Diplomacy should have been the best to address the problem. The damage has been done. China banned their chinese citizens to travel Philippines. China stop buying bananas, pineapple and papaya, now rotting at the piers of China, worth 700 million pesos. Banana farmers and their families will  now suffer the pain of hunger…. Jun Go,  you said, “the best resolved through a united philippines, rather than too much blaming within “. Well and good. United on what  ? How  ?  By declaring war with China ? USA is neutral to the issue. Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III was so assuming the help from USA, so dismayed and  now silent and doesn’t know what to do… The Secretary of Foreign Affairs now do the  talking,  talking that the Philippines should go  back to Diplomacy to resolve the conflict peacefully. So, it not good to be boastful……

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7YBRPAQD6ACCRBKAYXOXFDX75Y goodguy

      Masyado ka naming nagmamarunong….baka pag ikaw ang ini lolok dyan ay masmasahol pa ang mangyari. We should just help our gov’t and don’t point fingers when ever there are bad things that comes up. Our gov’t can’t satisfy everybody including you…there are always pro and con but we should be united and help our gov’t on this. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

         Mabuhay ang Pilipinas !!!  good guy.  The hostile stance of Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III against China at the start of this conflict, caused the “conflagration”. He speaks with exagerations and excessive pride against China. He did not study  Diplomacy 101. He forgot the limitations of a very poor country, like the Philippines in terms of military power and financial resources. The Philippines can not even defeat the very few NPA and Abu Sayaf….and then we go to war with China ?  USA declared neutral in this conflict. It is not good being boastful.Diplomacy and Thinking… What could go wrong….. is the best approach.  Good guy… you suggested that Pilipinos should be united to help the government. Ok.. well and good…  but How ? How ? !!!  By declaring war with China ? The boastfulness of Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III now resulted to economic attack to the Philippines by China. The Families of banana farmers  now going to suffer the pain. Philippine bananas now rotting and decaying at the piers in China worth millions and millions of pesos….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFG2ZZGGCT5Q7ESQ22N2ZOUCKY Renan jay Ferren

      so just give to chinese what they want?after that what next?baka kainin na nila itlog mo Sir after nyan

      kong may 10 milliong tangang bumuto kay erap last election at sinabi mong may 19 million tangang bumuto kay Aquino ibig sabihin may 39 million tangnan voters na pinoy parang sinabi mong tanga tayong mga pinoy?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

        Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III was unfair and dishonest to the Pilipinos, when he  presented himself as presidential candidate.  Wala siyang ginawa o nagawa para sa mga Pilipino nang siya ay congressman at senador. Kalaban niya ang mga magsasaka sa Hacienda Luisita. May mga senyales na hindi siya maging epektibo at mapag iisip na presidente.  Akala ng mga 19 million voters, dahil anak siya ng popular na nanay, magiging magaling siya na presidente . Dalawang taon na ang nakalipas, dumarami ang mga ginigutom na Pilipino, basi sa latest SWS  survey. Ang ekonomiya sa Pilipinas, bagsak !!! Marami na sa bomoto ni Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III , nagsisi at nakonsensia sa nangyari,  mga Pilipinong ginugutom dahil walang mahanap na trabaho.
               

    • clark_abellera93

      I think you want to ask the million of voters who voted to this stu… …….

    • Marx Louis Wang

       So? What is your recommended solution? Just give the shoal to China? Bakit kinabukasan wala na ang bandera natin sa buong bansa kundi banderang pula! Didn’t you know that imperial China is emerging?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NNAJQQUKFAB4DITXYZPSG26FYA Martin

    What kind of talks is that if China demands the Phl to leave the waters and not disturb their vessels?  What do they think we are, stupid?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      No, not stupid, but a willing pawn in the mind-game between the States and them. And a laughing stock sadly to say.

  • tra6Gpeche

    This is a good sign. The best and civilized way of resolving any dispute is to talk with mutual respect to one another. Hopefully, the Communist Chinese will agree to go to ITLOS so that this dispute will be resolved peacefully.

  • bgc4vrbtravels

    To be talking again is good.  But to begin taklking that Philippine ships should leave, Filipino fishermen should not fish in “Karburo,” leave the Chinese to fish and destroy our national patrimony (ditto: harvest of corals and endangered species of marine life) while starting to drill in our Panatag Shoal seems to me to be asking us to give up Philippine sovereignty over our national patrimony.  The Chinese is so adept at their game of trickery and pressuring us: in the Panganiban Reef, they started with light structures on stilts and ended up with concrete garrisons flying the Chinese flag!  For “made-up reasons” they have managed to cause our banana growers red tape problems and economic losses!  We were broadcasting in print and in the internet about plans to mobilize thousands of boats bearing Filipinos to the Shoal; the Chinese beat us to that by about 30 Chinese fishing vessels now occupying the Shoal under the protection of 4 big Chinese boats with weaponry on board. 

    Let us not negotiate from a position of weakness.  If this is the kind of diplomacy the Chinese wants us to be subjected to, the legal tract and international condemnation of the Chinese tact should be resorted to now, and should be done soon.  While there could be doubt whether China will submit to the ITLOS, there seems to be no other way to beat the big bear, or rather the Big Bully, who only knows power to come out of the barrel of a gun! 

  • Mario_Garcia

    1.  Set aside the issue of sovereignty between the Philippines and China.  Status quo.
    2.  Make a MOA on the code of conduct for fishing by both countries in the disputed area like non usage of indiscriminate fishing or trawler fishing. 
    3.   Then another MOA on joint exploration and exploitation of the natural gas beneath the shoal as the Chinese proposed 60-40 in favor of the Philippines. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFG2ZZGGCT5Q7ESQ22N2ZOUCKY Renan jay Ferren

      why you will share if its yours?share it the the poor but your how you will share it if your not eating 3x a day?

      • Mario_Garcia

        But what can you do? you have a can good but you don’t have a can opener.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

       some wisdoms in your proposal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7YBRPAQD6ACCRBKAYXOXFDX75Y goodguy

    Our foreign minister Mr. Del Rosario is truly a nationalistic Filipino which deserve our recognition for leading the diplomatic offensive against China on this issue peacefully. Keep the fight Mr. Secretary and don’t bow to the tactics of China!…bullying us to insist that those areas are theirs when in fact they already knew that it belong to the Philippines …. the main reason that this area has huge deposit of oil and gas.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WEBQQWQDFI3HXAMQFTUHVVUHNU ame mojica

    China should realize that they cannot just buldoze their way in to a sovereign territory bcause they are rich and big, They do not want to engage in legal way of settling the conflict and instead buldoze their way in disregarding any diplomatic talk. Now they are complaining about Filipinos demonstrating against them? Are they for real or are they just playing dumb? This is consequence of the bad decisions made by Joseph Estrada and GMA. Estrada for booting out the US bases and GMA for playing footsie with Communist China. Regardless the fact the China is very successful economically, We should not forget the fact that they are communist. Communist idealogies are still strong and kicking in China. They want to control the world.Cannot be trusted. t

  • isidro c. valencia

    In a family affair, you don’t have to say “Your idiot” to your wife. You will say instead, “You are beautiful my dear,” to maintain good relationship.

    Let us avoid saying “bullying” to our neighbor. That will only escalate war. It will not help. We have diplomatic people who can handle the situation in a very good manner.

    If both sides will continue to exchange “abusive words” it will end in real war. Peace loving citizens should initiate moves to diffuse tensions.

    I suggest to our diplomatic corps to initiate PEACE SUMMIT MEETING between Philippines and China. I am sure China doesn’t war. The Philippines doesn’t war, too. And we know who wants war. They are just around the corner telling us Filipinos “hipuin mo sa bayag kung matapang ka: Sigue nga, lagpas ka sa line na ito kung matapang ka and other childish remarks.

    Of course, we sing our patriotic National Anthem, “Ang mamatay ng dahil sayo.”  But not ang mamatay ng dahil sa United States of America.

    PEACE NOT WAR. Peace be unto you.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

      You have my 100 likes.

      Blog is an art, and a civilised way to express opinoins.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JGCTN7GTZVWCC245OEAEJ2K2XE Xiahui

      I agree. The word ‘bullying’ is harsh to our Chinese ears. Actually, many real wars begin from a war of words.

  • http://www.facebook.com/oustcorona ILL_HIT_YOUR_FACE

    The best weapon of our Philippine Government is to talk with China openly… 

    Yung gusto kasi nang China, patago… baka masuholan ang mga Official natin, katulad noon nung kay Gloria!

    Kasama niyo po ang taong bayan Mr. Del Rosario… Wag tayo paapi sa mga Chikwa na yan!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

      “The best weapon of our Philippine Government is to talk with China openly… ”
       

      I agree.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NNAJQQUKFAB4DITXYZPSG26FYA Martin

        Talk openly but bribe secretly.  The Chinese were the mentors of bribery. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

         Have you ever talked to a Chinese?

  • JankyFosci

    “Scarborough Shoal is located 220 kilometers west of Zambales, but China insists it is Chinese territory even though the nearest Chinese landmass is more than 500 kilometers away.”
    I’ve seen this line or something similar to it parroted so many times by the filipinos and their media. Can we get one thing straight first? PROXIMITY TO YOUR NATION DOES NOT DICTATE OWNERSHIP. Examples: Falklands and the UK. Guam, Alaska, Hawaii and the USA.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

      I agree. Unfortunately, so many people get confused. Officially and publically, on April 20th, 2012, the DFA of PH said that the EEZ is not the basis for the claim.

      Thanks for your sharing the thought.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        I think Mr. Rosario he himself is also confused now. This only show that Mr. Aquino & Co., didn’t know “what is actually going on” when they challenge the quiet & sleeping Goliath,thinking that being the David, they will surely win. In fact, the best strategy one politician can summon when everything else is against him or not in his favour while preparing for the next election or popularity-rate survey is : Patriotisme. because people will be easily incited, especially those weak souls that always perceived themselves as vicitm, became hot-headed and then blind to everything except those hyped up by the instigator. Patriotisme is the best,cheapest and yet most powerful weapon a country can have, but also the most self-devasting one if fall into the wrong hand or used wrongly.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

         I happen to learn some from history, hatred is not doing good to either sides, hatred is suicidal.

    • Arial_Fake

       I agree. And actually Scarborough Shoal is not even on the Philippines’ national map.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WNYQHGVIXWPFICIAC2ICR3W3QU carol d

      But neither is your historical claim from 2000 years ago! So, should Italy take over the whole of Europe and many parts of the Middle East, because afterall, those were territories of the Roman Empire? How stupid is that? If China strongly feels that they are the rightful owner of Scarborough Shoal, then why not bring it to the international tribunal? Yup, you’re afraid to find out that you don’t own Scarborough Shoal and all this time you are trespassing and illegally poaching on Philippine waters.

  • Guest

    for the past few days ,this self righteous  government has been saying to the media that they will bring the issue to the unclos but upto now no concrete action has been done puro press release at puro salita lang..meanwhile the chinese have started drilling the place and yet parang bale wala lang ang attitude ng gov’t pati na mga politicians natin.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/H553XAZRN642DMET2YVCPKW4MU Tang Wu

    Stupid Flip monkeys should realize that stealing territory especially from a superpower like China is a grave mistake. China can wipe out the Philippines off the face of the planet in no time. Always keep that in your thick skulls you dirty filthy Flip apes!

    • Asean

      Tang Yu you are as stupid and arrogant as the your government. The world knows that the Chinese are the scum of the Earth…. China is the thief… The Philippines owns Panatag shoal.   

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NNAJQQUKFAB4DITXYZPSG26FYA Martin

      We see lots of those monkeys in Chinatown. 

    • chiefsiop

      This is the favorite past time if ChiNUTS. They love to intimidate, issue threats and grab lands (tibet) and waters (whole South China Sea). I wonder how this mongoloids (trisomy) think?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WNYQHGVIXWPFICIAC2ICR3W3QU carol d

      Hey Tang-ina-Wu! How stupid can stupid go if you claim Scarborough Shoal based on a 2000 year old history? If I will follow your logic , then Italy should own the whole Europe and part of Middle East because 2000 years ago, those are territories of the Roman Empire. Now, do you have any basis for your claim of Scarborough Shoal? If you think you are the rightful owners of this shoal, then what are you afraid of bringing the issue to international law? Just because you are bigger and a superpower doesn’t give you any right to trample on your neighboring smaller countries. You may be bigger but you’re the one acting like filthy apes.

    • HATEBIGOT

      Well you are an ape as you call yourself to be. Your government is as filthy as your streets. You can’t even stand on yourself without bullying small countries. Really? Is that all you got? Oh, and yeah, lots of monkeys in Chinatown, We see that too. 

    • watot

      So u believe Filipinos came from ape? Then how about chinese? From a stinky rats? You wanna be a respected superpower…. then bathe!

    • TEAM PNOY

      Tang mu! Tang mu talaga! Tang mu again!

    • Marx Louis Wang

       Your name sounds like (pu)tang-na (m)wu.

  • wvillaro822

    PH & China talking again? On the condition that PH follow what they like to do.  Is this what you call talking again Mr. Del Rosario?  You are too old to handle this issue, better retire.    

  • Arial_Fake

    As far as I knew,  Scarborough Shoal is not even on Philippine national map. I am curious how those Filipinos declared that Scarborough Shoal was theirs.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NNAJQQUKFAB4DITXYZPSG26FYA Martin

      It got separated from the Philippine islands hundreds of years ago due to earthquake. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

         you have a good joke.

      • Arial_Fake

         Thank you. Concerning joke, I feel that Scarborough Shoat should belong to Korea. Actually the whole world belongs to Korea. (I don’t mean to offense Korea. I am just kidding.)

      • Arial_Fake

        But it’s clear that the Philippines did not print its map hundreds of years ago. Why did not they declare that Scarborough Shoat belonged to them at that time, but now? Because they see the economic benefit from it now. I don’t want to say this. But the Philippine islands got separated from the Asian mainland ago. Maybe the Philippines should have belonged to some inland Asian country?

      • Chekwa

         I ask u the same question…. why when the Americans used the Scarborough Shoal for shooting practice and other Naval exercises( they would not do that if it were recognized as Chinsese territory) ..why didn’t Communist China complain at all??? Not a tiny eeek,hey Americans, keep out,  that is our territory…No diplomatic protests whatsoever…..And how long was that??  And now it belongs to China?? Pwee! This is just a case of when the CAT is away, a STRAY CAT will play! lol

      • Chekwa

         Oh come on, and u want the world to believe in ur fairy tales about an ancient map during Emperor Chingchong. U really think people are that stupid in the free world.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

      Just  buy another map  and you will find it there…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

      It is true but to say it here and now requires courage. I salute you.

    • chiefsiop

      I am also curious how those mongoloids (trisomy) think that they own the entire South China sea. Wahh! 

      • Chekwa

         They based it on a bogus map that they found just yesterday! LOL When they signed UNCLOS, they suddenly realized they forgot to present it to the High Tribunal. Might as well claim the whole SC sea..it’s easier that way.lol

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J7CZYPZWNB37S6GTPBJQF6Y7BM Fight D Bigots

      That’s what you are being told by your government, which brainwashes its citizens. The shoal has been part of the Philippine map since the Spanish period, when the islands were incorporated into one country called Filipinas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/babinski.tero Babinski R Tero

      Arial_Fake are you idiot? or blind? look the boundary? Where is the boundary?

      • Arial_Fake

         Please be civilized. Do not attack individual person. The boundary is just a line drawn by the Philippines itself. Let’s see what will really happen in the future.

  • Loggnat

    ‘ The Philippines and China are talking again, and they are trying to work out a temporary solution to their dispute over Scarborough Shoal, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said on Friday. The department did not disclose the negotiation points but going by China’s “requirements. ” =)) ‘/// It is what you call a one-way conversation like when you’re boss is chewing you up ’cause they can. China said to the Philippines to get lost and don’t bother us in the area because we’re exploring it for natural gas and/or for oil. Oh well. Maybe China will sell the Philippines the natural gas/oil that they will find in the area cheap when they start exploiting them. Maybe the church can conjure a miracle that will drive the Chinese out of the immediate vicinity of the Philippines. That is the only thing that will stop the China from bullying the Philippines other than the imperialist USA might decide that they wanted to challenge China in a pi$$ing contest over the Panatag reef.

  • chiefsiop

    join the forum in CNN. There are many ChINUTS in that forum. There’s also a reliable info that the next leader of ChiNUTS is LOKI.

    • Chekwa

       Bwahahhaa!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J7CZYPZWNB37S6GTPBJQF6Y7BM Fight D Bigots

    Hong Lei is accusing the Philippine government of orchestrating the global protest actions by Filipinos. That is understandable, because in China people cannot go to the streets to protest unless it is sanctioned by the communist rulers (e.g. protests in front of Japan embassy, and even Friday’s protest in front of Philippine Embassy in Beijing).

    So for autocratic and repressive China, a protest action can never happen without the government supporting it. S T U P I D!!!

    Mr. Hong, that situation is applicable only in China where people have no right to protest and even internet use is controlled by your government. We have a functioning democracy in the Philippines and the right to assemble and protest is enshrined in our Constitution.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

    Now the, Philippine and China is talking again. Mr. Aquino & co., please concentrate your full attention to the very task people put you there – improve the well-being of the philippine people, but first of all, stop the ever-increasing poverty rate.

    Don’t try anymore new trick to divert the attention again.If you can’t manage it, do tell the people the truth,tell them that you won’t be running for presidency again come next election, let someone more capable try to fix the problem; Tthis is the least you can do to give some hope however slim to the people of the Philippine

    Be a man, do the right thing !

  • juanditamad

    yehey! love this news. onwards! even if takes many generations doing the talking :)

  • Birdie

    All creatures (fishes, clamps, weeds, etc.) at Scarborough Shoal (Panatag Shoal) are protesting for they might lost their FREEDOM. It is very unacceptable for them to be ruled by a controlling state. A state that has control over all huge business enterprises which is run and managed by communist military officers.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      you talked to fishes, clamps & weeds ? but then, bird is the natural enemy of fish & clamp . Birdie, you must have gone cuckoo,

      dedicating a song by Bee Gees to you ” I Started A Joke”…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

    Always remember “Patriotisme” is the most powerful weapon a country can have, but it is also the most self-destructing one if used wrongly & blindly.

    • ofwme2807

      non-sense…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CW375R72PNNPYQY3ZLDGZKTCU4 Anastacio

    Bakit hindi na lang natin ibenta sa China ang claim natins sa Scarborugh for $100 Billion Dollar.
    Any way iyong existing island natin hindi natin mamanaged dadagdagan ninyo pa. Ikalawa kahit ano ang gawin natin, talo tayo. iyon na lang mga banana impounded at tourism bagsak na tayo.
    practical mga pinoy.  Example na lang ang Falkland island  pagaari ng Argentina kinuha ng England may nagawa ang Argentina di wala.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M77RGJB4BRP4FSLGN23RMOWMNI yahoo-M77RGJB4BRP4FSLGN23RMOWMNI

      you don’t deserve to call yourself a filipino but a rat

      • M.A. Del Rosario

        tama

    • junza

      ano gagawin mo sa $100 Billion? mapupunta kaya yan sa bawat juan,pedro, maria ng pinas? baka kay cong, sen at kung sino sino pang mga naka barong o uniporme lang mapupunta yan…

      tsaka isa pa wrong move ipag palit ang asset na kayang makapag produce ng income, kasi ang pera nauubos lang, pag asset mag proproduce ng income as long as nandoon ang asset, either oil,gas, or other marine resource, ay pwdeng makapag bigay yaman sa pinas over longer span of time

    • M.A. Del Rosario

       Anastacio, baka hindi mo naiisip na and Scarborugh Shoal ay puno ng langis, yung lang naman ang gusto ng mga tsino e. Ngayon, pag nakuha nila yan, kawawa naman ang mga mangingisdang pinoy at ang ekonomiya ng Pilipinas na gusto ring kumita gamit ang natural na yaman. Kawawa nanaman si Juan kung ganun. Chinese ka yata e?

    • Hagler

      Bakit namn bibilhin ng Intsik sa atin ang kiniclaim nilang pag aari nila. Remember magugulang sa pera at makunat pa sa suelas ng sapatos ang mga yan.
      Yung ngang nasa bakuran na natin ay kanila daw!

  • Fulpol

    nagbago na naman ang strategy ni Del Rosario..

    may malaking oil exploration deal si Manny PAngilinan with Chinese people sa South China Sea…

    baka kasi maudlot pag di inayos ni Del Rosario ang gusot…

    iba ang takbo ng politika pag corporations na ang nagpapatakbo ng affairs sa mundo…

    gaya ng sa China, pagmamay-ari ng Walmart ang China…

    ngayon naman, pagmamay-ari na ni Pangilinan at ng China ang South China Sea…

    saan pupulutin ang Pilipinas??

    hahaha
    haha
    hahahah

  • scorpio22

    China’s demand is to have their fishing boats be left alone and be able to fish at the shoal to which Del Rosario said that the Philippine government will never agree to.

    Is Del Rosario the only one not aware that the Chinese are doing this now?  Agree or not, China seems to be able to do what they want anyway so why did Del Rosario even come out with that statement?

    China, who is a signatory to Unclos, have ignored Unclos rules before so what makes Del Rosario think that they will all of sudden comply to it now …. is it because the Philippines is involved?

    Del Rosario need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      He must say something, otherwise the Philippine people will accuse him of being coward, the word ” coward” is bad for political career.
      UNCLOS is the only way out for him or rather Mr. Aquino; even though, it is an open secret that Philippine added some clauses to exclude it’s power over the issue of sovereignty when she endorsed it back then. So, when this submission eventually rejected which is most expected, Mr. Aquino & co., can say : look, i have tried my best, we are now vicitm of an international conspiration. Case closed and he got away from the mess he created without a scratch.

      • scorpio22

        Say something he must. But choose your words properly as not to appear clueless.

  • Fulpol

    magkakaroon ng bilateral agreement?? kanino, kay Pangilinan at China??

    magkakaroon ng kasunduan?? sino ang dehado?? fair ba talaga?? o magiging talunan ang Pilipinas??

    polpol talaga ang mga Pilipino… ito na yung pagkakataon na palakasin ninyo ang depensa, arm forces, navy, air force at weapon ninyo dahil sa very imminent outside threat…

    complacent na naman dahil sa pagkakaroon ng agreement… after 10 years, buong Pilipinas, i-inavde na talaga ng China… tatakbo kayo sa US? hindi tutulong ang Amerika dahil walang tiwala ang Amerika sa Pilipinas…

    hhahaha
    ahhahh
    ahhahha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

      If we decide to shut our ears and not talk with the Chinese then we should immediately sever diplomatic ties with that country and start preparing for a war.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

    The last time another country invaded Philippines, the result was pretty ugly . That country lost 2 cities from atomic bomb even though they have all the weapons in the world. I’m sure both China knows about this.  Besides, I don’t think the chinese don’t have the guts to pull the trigger, their psyche is different from the japanese and it’s a different world nowadays.

    • scorpio22

      That was because the US were involved back then. The US are staying out of this one. Now what?

      • Chekwa

         How sure are you they are keeping out of this??? Read more, read more

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

        Do you believe everything you read? do you know w that  there’s now  US submarine lurking around the area?  They know this area from the back of their head after being there for more than a century.  The chinese can’t even hear them.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

        Sorry Chekwa, that was meant for player2.

      • taeng maycorn

        The US wont get involved with this issue. The reason? The US government owes china trillions of dollars. Also China has control of the world economies and specially since all the western countries are in a recession.

      • JJF724

        True but the truth has hidden agenda, as there are signs of preparation for it.  Philippines must try diplomacy as long as it can to buy time while develping defense.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

        Actually, the US is involved and we are the pawns.  The US wants a semi unstable China to shake the status quo of the economy, that may bring some of the jobs back to the US.  Who wants to invest in a country that is unstable? At the same time, they need them to buy US products considering the large population.  They might say that they don’t take sides or have no interest in meddling, but that just to show that they didn’t start the war. The US will get heavily involved eventually, but not now, it’s election year and image is everything. They just have to have a reason, like someone jumping the gun, either China or Philippines.  There are other reasons why the US will be dragged into this, but those are just my speculations. Think, Asia is not just China -there’s Indonesia, Korea, Vietnam, Japan and so on.  It’s  a complicated thing, and there’s more behind the scenes that we don’t know anything about.

        Also, who pays debt to someone when they are having a war?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        Hope sometimes can hurt as well, the higher the hope the more it hurts.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CNPEE65MGY3EGHL3PNR42DDTJE Aureo

        The Avengers will come to save the Philippines from China

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        Likewise, how sure are you that the States will actually get involved ?..what if don’t…..this is just too high a price to pay for some political attention divertion tricks by Mr. Aquino. { divert from what ?… from the ever-increasing poverty rate…read my lips..it is POVERTY RATE….not just unemplyment rate…people is go starving.. not simply being out of jobs, got it ! }

      • scorpio22

        And how sure are you that they are in it?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

        How do you know?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/I3KIQLVH2WBI3XMQO44LTKMU6Y Fernando Santibanez

        platyer2, the US gov’t will never stay out from this issue because they need Philippines more than the Philippines need the US. Why? very simple…Philippines is the strongest hold and Ally of the US in Asia Pacific.  That’s it.

      • scorpio22

        Let’s not get overconfident to say that the US needs the Philippines more than the Philippines needs them. How is the Philippines the “strongest” hold in Asia?

        The US will eventually take side with the Philippines but not because we are their ally but just to give them the reason to show China that they are still the most powerful military in the world and in control.

      • Docbis

        We are the best ally the US can have because of our strategic location. The US does not need to pick sides just to show anyone that they are the strongest, they are the strongest and they will always be the strongest. If anyone thinks otherwise, best to check what you’re smoking because you are out of touch.  If this part of Asia is not placed in check, there will be economic repercussions in America because of imminent insecurities within these trade routes.  Military might must be projected to ensure peace.  We don’t have any military might that is why we have this issue with China.

      • scorpio22

        Relationship constitute “best ally” not strategic location.

        What trade routes are you referring to? In shipping, Hong Kong and Singapore are the biggest transhipment point in Asia.

        What economic repercussion does the Philippine represent? Certainly none for China, nor the US.

        You are absolutely correct that we don’t measure to China’s military strength so why did we send the Del Pilar to the shoal to begin with?

         

      • ofwme2807

        who is this man and from where you’re talking???magaling lang sumulat dito libre pero ano ba ang silbi mo sa pinas???stop talking idiot

      • scorpio22

        I pay my share of taxes that our government mismanage and the politicians steal.

        Put some substance in your argument instead of just calling people names.

  • http://www.facebook.com/babinski.tero Babinski R Tero

    China is idiot, why? why Chine is idiot?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3YQJHE6OMHZT7K6YVYLZFKIBU Gerson

    If they want to stay relevant in world trade, they  better think before they start acting like Japan.

    • Chekwa

       Japan is already a very responsible nation now. They’ve learned the lessons of the past. Japan also has the biggest Naval fleet in Asia as of now.

      • scorpio22

        US has the biggest Navy fleet in Asia not Japan.

  • Chekwa

    The Phil. Govt is actually doing the right moves here except for bilateral talks with China.. China,on the other hand, is doing all the wrong moves. But, I don’t think these talks will go anywhere. UN International court is the proper place and forum for this. No wonder the Defense Chiefs of the US are urging the US Senate to ratify UNCLOS, that just proves how important this treaty is not only for the Phil. but also the US. Diplomatic talks with China is USELESS! Don’t waste time on this.

    • scorpio22

      What “right moves” is the Philippine government doing?

  • http://www.facebook.com/babinski.tero Babinski R Tero

    Ina-angkin nila ang nasa loob ng bagod natin. anong klasing pag-iisip yon?

    • Handiong

      Pag-iisip ng isang bully.

  • vinsnax

    Let us not bow down to these bullies.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      Also don’t forget to ask them to learn how not to pick a fight when you are not so sure where and what you are.
      But, tell them not to learn how to dismiss their macho and turn ” victim” when they realised picking the wrong person to fight and crying to mama, this is just too embarassing and a laughing stock material, better not learn.

      • ofwme2807

        dont tell us what to do who are you??you’re nothing but blah blah blah shut up

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        Me, i am a nobody and a bystander, watching this whole entertaining melodrama unfurling and cheekily put in some comments,
        So, you don’t like it, why ? because i am not on your side ?.. OK, i will try to put in some nice words for Mr. Aquino & co., when i do find them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

    Last heard Ms. Loida Nicholas Lewis has extensive business interest in China and is expanding aggressively there…but,China netizens managed to search / fish her out and posted her identity widely in the net, they consider her American, though. I think she will have to forget about her expansion plan in China for the time being, or else the company board of directors may want to remove her from her post as CEO…she will be a liability now if the company think they want the China market, unless otherwise.

    • ofwme2807

      that’s your opinion, speculation non sense not connected to this issue of stand-off…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        What i meant is she was hyping up all the anti-China sentiment, but yet invested heavily in that country to create more employment for the very country she so anti. So, if she is sincere, should pull out all her investment there and invest in Philippine instead, i thought Philippine needed all the helps she get to pull her people out of poverty, read my lips, POVERTY !.. not just merely unemployment !
        I find this very strange mentality of the Philippine, Oop, sorry, i forgotten that she is an American, her loyalty should rightfully American’s, my mistake & apologies.

    • ofwme2807

      tsismoso…last heard???hearsay nothing but trash talk

      • Noynoy8is8inutil

        it is true that she has business interests in China. You can google her company’s China business. In short, masyadong Hipokrito si Loida Nicolas Lewis. The first thing she should have done with regards to this standoff is to close her businesses in China. di ba?
         

  • Mario_Garcia

    In a way the Chinese might be right – PNOy is using the standoff to cover up his incompetence in governance.

    • ofwme2807

      how about GMA in her dealings with the tsekwas???she sold the Philippines to the tsekwas ZTE-NBN, North Rail, low-cost interest as bait she and that fat guy were paid off by them…and where is the mother plunderer now???she will rot in jail next this fat guy…gone were the days they kept saying file charges in court against us we will answer all charges and face them in court… 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KGOLQYXZYKFYARUMLTLRPUCYKU nestor

        ofwme2807, si GMA na naman? wala na ba kayong ibang pagbintangan? or talagang mga BOBO kayo na kalahi ng IDOL mo? ginawa nyong scape goat ang dating admin.kc wala pa kayong nagawa sa pinas, basahin mo kaya ang kuento ng mga Mangingisda sa pinag awayang isla, dati rati ilang Presidente na ang dumaan, ang ganda ng samahan ng mga mangingisda sa lugar na yan, mapa tsekwa, vietkong, taiwanese, at PINOY, nagbibigayan pa ng mga pagkain at inumin,sa madaling sabi, Free for all ang fishing ground na yan, nalitse lang ng pumasok na ang utak PC mong Idol, pinahuli ang mga stekwa na nagingisda doon kc nasa pinas terretory daw cla, at pinag se search ang kanilang boat, at ibinilad sa mainit na parte ng boat ang mga crew ng stekwa hangang na heat stoke ang captain,kaya pinakialaman na ng Chinese Military ang nangyari,kc di naman daw ganon dati, nagbago lang ng naging PRESIDENTE na si Abnoy mo, ayan pati ikaw Abnoy na rin LOL..

      • ofwme2807

        sino pa ba ang dapat sisihin sa asta at asal ng mga tsekwa ngaun???dati ng ginagawa ng Philippine Navy as part of teritory na hinuhuli ang ibang fishermen sa Scarborough Shoal maging tsekwas o Vietnamese???dati ng nirerecognize ng China na sa Philippine teritory ang Scarborough at hindi first time nilang may nahuling tsekwa na gumagawa ng illegal at hindi lang pangingisda ngaun iba na at aggresive na sila kasi nga sa mga pinagagawa nung panahon ni GMA…ikaw ang kampon ng plunderer na si GMA ayun ang leeg may protruding kuno na namn daw na life threatening na namn??/sinong lokohin ntong dati ng manloloko acting GMA???yan ang idol mo ang magnanakaw na mag-asawang GMA at fat gentleman…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

        I thought it is quite common that almost all but not all, former presidents of the Philippine have some kind of complication with court once they were out of the office. So, will Mr. Aquino be the next one in line ?

    • Bonggebongge

      Langya naman Garcia oh, ang isip mo kasi imbes na pataas pababa…ikawalang kaya maging presidente…lahat sa inyo walang kwenta lahat ng presidente babatikusin, subukan mong gumawa para sa bansa mo ng walang iniisip na tamad ang presidente, kasi ikaw mismo tamad, di rin ako maki pnoy, pero atleast when times come na dapat umisa para sa bansa gawin naman natin.

      • Mario_Garcia

        Baka kasi pinapaikot lang tayo ng tamad na presidente natin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OJWHBJLMWPTRUOZMN6JOMHLO2A Banana Na

    its a lesson to the philippines….be ready to BENHAM RISE baka mas maraming OIL dito baka sabihin ng US sila din ang may-ari ng BENHAM RISE kasi medyo malapit sa GUAM…

    • frudo

      sana maging maagap na ang Pinas sa BENHAM RISE batayan na mabuti at kung maaari lagyan na ng mga philippine structure, Flag ng Pilipinas, kasi baka mamaya angkinin na nman yan ng ibang bansa mawawalan na nman tyo ng island, eh wla pa nman tayo kakayanan lumaban laban sa mga bully, sana sinisimulan na ng Government natin na exploxe ang island kung may oil and gas, sabi nga sa kasabihan daig ng maagap ang masipag, at yun ang hindi natin nai apply sa panatag shoal

  • avmphil

    Well “Philippines, China talking again” this is good news and a stopgap for further widening the tiff.However, China still plays the hard game of “regimental demand” before sitting for a conclusivesolution at this point of time Beijing is at the roulette game where the wheel exceptone marked for the Philippines and all slots CHINA.

    Mr.Rosario and Mr.Voltaire’s closed talks with Ms.Clinton kept Beijing cracking their heads hence the quick changes for new discussions over the standoff in Scarborough Shoal. Beijing’s front man Hong Lei statement does not correlate in any area as far as this nation is concern. We should have shown our resolve to stand our ground in line on international law, but not confrontational despite continued harassment at the high seas. Mr. Albert’s three-prong approach is welcomed

    The political track with ASEAN members is wishful thinking and at the end of the day, its going to be ” ’we saw nothing ‘’We heard nothing’ We talk nothing’” ASEAN even brushed off with silence when DFA pressed for a voice of solidarity. If ever they come on-board its real good, the legal tracks to UNCLOS and ITLOS are the best option on the table. Diplomatic consultations are always continuity and in this context to clear the mess China has created on Scarborough Shoal after the Spratly.

  • chiefsiop

    try going to CNN forum for your comments.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYFWE7ZHVPYOATERLYB4NBWCMY butch

    lets just pray and let God do the work. we are no match for China. in heavens time all will fall into place. pls stop posting remarks that could spark hate and war. instead post words of love and peace. and let love find the solution for this situation and never let evil find its way to our heart and soul

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

      I think you are right. When God created the earth, He never allowed man to own any part of it.

    • MayOn2012

      Don’t you know that there was a hailstorms in China this morning and killing 40people and thousands of people displaced? try to check the article. We need peace and God really hates war! He lets us be the model of PEACE & LOVE as a Filipino. The Heavenly Father loves Philippines so much because each Filipino has a mission in the future as we are only a Christian country in the far-east! From NOKOR rocket and of this bullying! This is not a coincidence, I AM telling you.(whoever read this comment)SHALOM!

    • Marx Louis Wang

       wish mo lang na may word LOVE in communist China.

  • Rolly257

    Never give an inch of the Scarborough Shoal nor any part of our territory as delineated at the Republic Act 3046.

  • $18209031

    Sana darating na ang bala supply namin galing Campo Aguinaldo pero wala namang nangyayari. Palabras lang ang sinasabi nila. Mas maraming bala pa ang mga MILF sa Sulu kung baga. PI mga kamanders namin. Masarap kasi i benta mga yan sa kabila, 4x the market price. Wala na kami kung ang Red Chinese marines ay mag lalanding dito.

    • TEAM PNOY

      Putak ka ng putak dyan tungkol sa bala. Saan mo benenta ang na issue sa iyo? Kung sundalo ka ng tsina sana, na firing squad ka na.

  • Hagler

    “China’s demands, Hong said, were that Chinese public service ships at Scarborough Shoal—called Panatag Shoal and Bajo de Masinloc by the Philippines—not be disturbed, that Chinese fishing boats be left alone to go about their normal activities, and that Philippine vessels leave the shoal, which China calls Huangyan ”

    ‘Mga intsik talaga oo!

  • rickysgreyes

    ASEAN is absolutely useless. I have personally participated in trade negotiations in ASEAN in the past and it’s always a slow, slow, slow decision making process. They will look out only for their own respective countries and not help the Philippines. It’s a BIG political mistake of Pnoy to think ASEAN will even lift a finger to help us. Going to ASEAN will just further incense China. Besides there is an ASEAN-China FTA – -so ASEAN countries will not lift a finger to help us. PNoy is getting lousy advice. Ask the old timers and experts of ASEAN, like the DTI-BITR people.

  • rickysgreyes

    Also, get a career diplomat at DFA. China is such a critical neighbor/nation to leave diplomacy to amateurs like that Domingo Lee. You need good foreign affairs advice and more importantly, deployed people agroad who know what they are doing. Do not leave this to amateurs and politicians, Mr. President.

  • Noynoy8is8inutil

    Hi, you have a very honest opinion. What you said is true.  According to  the DFA/ Philippine Government, the Philippines will count on the Mutual Defense Treaty with the United States. Where is the Defense Treaty now?  The Mutual Defense is for the benefit of the United States. Not for the mutual defense of the Philippines. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

      The MDT stipulated that if aggression occurs in the Pacific and not the West Philippine Sea.

    • http://disqus.com/dashboard/ mcalleyboy

      It’s a small skirmish and US forces are no longer home ported here so there’s no reason for defense because there’s no shooting it only has to do with fishing rights and endangered species nothing to get a former super power involved in, plus the Shoal is a long ways out there it’s like a 1/4 the way to China not as close to the Philippines as reported and the China Sea is not that large if you take a look at Google Earth.

    • focusrightly

      The MDT covers Philippines except known”disputed territories”. And I think the US will honor the MDT if the attack is against clear cut territories of PHL.

    • ambotlangsamok

       oy noy kaya pala na offend ka doon sa kunting koreksyon ko at mukhang hindi ka sang-ayon na i boycott ang mga produkto ng mga intsik dito sa pinas, dahil hindi lang cebuano ang mother tongue mo kundi chinese rin at dahil nabubuhay ang pamilya mo sa pagnenegosyo ng mga produktong intsik. nabuking kana noy. aminin mo na lang na kahit may pinoy passport ka, nasa zayna pa rin puso mo. at isipin mo rin kung bakit nilayasan ng mga ninono mo ang zayna. sigi ka pag nakuha ng mga kababayan mo ang shoal na yan lalago ang nagnenegosyo ng mga disposable face mask sa pinas.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

    “…. Stressing the need to “pursue a
    peaceful resolution” of the conflict with China, he said the DFA would follow a
    three-track approach: political, through the Association of Southeast Asian
    Nations; legal, through United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
    (Unclos) settlement; and diplomatic, through continuing consultations to defuse
    the current tensions at Scarborough Shoal….” (del Rosario)

     

    If del Rosario’s plan is to move the ASEAN to gang up on China, it is not going to happen. The interest and relationship of individual Asean member with China is diverse.

    China although a signatory to UNCLOS has not agreed entirely with the Law and our legal action can sleep for years in the UN.

    The diplomatic consultation is a more plausible approach to arrive at a lasting solution. The
    overall solution will have to involve historians, geographers, scientists, economists and other scholars from both sides. Mature political leaders will have the final say on this matter.

    • gilrene

      …and in the end who do you think have the jurisdiction of Scarborough Shoal?

    • Marx Louis Wang

       mature political leaders? who is immature?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

        That is our problem, there is none. 
        We can try sending Binay again, he’s done it before but he is not volunteering this time. He knows that he does not have the brains to crack this nut.

    • Rolly257

      Keep China off of Philippine territory
       

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

        Try to keep the Chinese out of their Huangyan and let’s see what happens.

  • Noynoy8is8inutil

    Mukhang very first hand yung impormasyon mo. Open secret yung binebenta ng mga military officials yung weapons and ammunitions to security agencies, to the NPA and to the MNLF/MILF/Abu Sayyaf. Paano, inumpisahan pa kasi ng Pilipinas na subukan yung bagong nabili na lumang Hamilton Class. Sinindak pa kasi ng Philippine Navy yung Chinese fishermen.

     Chin

    • Hao Hao

      is it English what you say?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

         Sometime people write in Tagalog, google it you will know the meaning.

      • Boy_PickUp

         Nakakahelo kayong tatlo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CER2OY7WUAD5W672DSX6VB6CZM Ling

    Internets best
    “China forgets that the Philippines is not a “Police State” so people are allowed to voice their opinions and exercise intellectual skills unlike in Beijing. And if the Chinese government really wants to get taken seriously, they need to start exercising their intellect more by respecting “Common Sense” laws. You can’t claim another country’s land located right off their shoreline when you are no where near them to begin with. And China needs to have a little appreciation and respect for those that gave their lives for Chinese civilians, if it weren’t for the Philippine and U.S. militaries, Mao would be spit shining Hitler’s boots by now. Have some honor”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76YPENWLH6HJ65K2BFB75T3PI Andrew Pc

      you completely confused me with the definition of “honor” here, i reckon i must go back to my English class again

  • Alajero

    …although malacanang need not be defensive re:  Friday’s protests…the dialogue is a welcome development…

  • Hao Hao

    as a Chinese yong boy,i have to say the fact about the confict.There are our factors that result in a war:the sober China government+the unsocber  Filipino+the unsober Philippines government+the unsober Chinese.If Chinese Government can not stay in a sober state under the pressure from its people as the time goes,the tragedy between the four sides will come as a form of war inevitably. I just do not understand why the two that should be brothers become enemy with instigate from America.They both have too much domestic trouble to solve!!Calm down for ourself? is that OK?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C2XYATZFGS6ZXXXF3UIDLTDHEQ Henri

      Hao Hao,(meaning greetings and friends)

      You are more than a young boy. Thanks for your posting here. Majority of Philippines are not posting here simply because they are hard working people and have no time. They are good and sober Philippines and they want good relationships with others, like Chinese do. If you have chance to post in Chinese side, support the sober govt position, be patient.

      Americans are neutral in this dispute. I understand your point, but USA takes no sides on this dispute.

      Some comments here are not very friendly, just ignore them. Just like when you watch movie rated R, close your eyes when you feel scary.

      I wish you well.

    • focusrightly

       OK OK Very sensible

      • Rolly257

        Yes, sensible to the China’s side, but nonsense at all generally.

    • Rolly257

      You have no right whatsoever to any smallest dot of the Philippine territory. If you treat us like brother, you would be more understanding rather than act as a bully.

  • Fulpol

    walang binatbat si Noynoying kay Da Lai Lama… hindi De Lima ha..

    hhhah
    ahahaha
    hahahah

  • msmakabayan

    That’s more like it. Let’s act more civilized!

    • pinoyusa2012

      Yeah. Konting inuman lang. solve na problema.

      • ambotlangsamok

         o sigi nasaan na ba yung 30 kahon na redhorse?

      • pinoyusa2012

        pulutan…..

  • Beguine

    That’s the correct attitude, stance, position, whatever.

    We should make China feel we recognize China is big,
    big in every way, in every aspect, and very big indeed
    when it comes to China’s claim of owning Scarborough.

    And the Philippines, what of this country? It’s not going
    be China’s ass-kisser, but just a small and humble and
    respectful country, willing to be bullied and threatened by
    China, but still asking China to please, pretty please
    don’t say Scarborough belongs to them, because just
    look at the map – it’s ours plain as daylight.

    Then, China will be stunned and say, “Come to think of it,
    you’re right, Philippines, what a clever thing to say.”

    • pinoyusa2012

      We never did own it. We are taking it away.

      • ambotlangsamok

         i think…. i know you. from whom are we taking it?

      • pinoyusa2012

        We are bada$$, we take want we want.

    • focusrightly

      By your logic based on proximity rule, you should also ask US to give to PHL  Wake, Guam and Midway islands, as commentator PurpleDaisy13 said somewhere that those islands are 4000 km away from US but near to PHL.

      Or better ask for Sabah back. See what Malaysia (same size as PHL, smaller in population) will say to PHL ?

      • DarkJustice

        Wake,Guam and Midaway were colonized,occupied ,developed by US till now,meaning,they clearly shows it was theirs and no one counter claim. like Brirain did to Falklands.Its different story with this bullying China,if it this shoal have been theirs for long,long time,they should have built structures there long ago BUT NOT. They only start this aggressive behavior when US bases left the Philippines. And start claiming all areas between ASEAN countries,they want to control the area.
        Sabah was being claimed by MArcos before BUT succeeding Presidents did not because they have no balls at all!

      • 100% freedom of navigation

        Excellent point DarkJ. Also, Falkland Islands is outside of Argentina’s EEZ.

      • Rolly257

        Either Marcos blew the claim for Sabah or he got paid for it.

      • Chekwa

         Exactly!!!  China has never occupied these areas effectively since Emperor chinchong…. Did not even say a word when Americans used Scarborough Shoal for their naval exercises.

      • Rolly257

        China knows no rules. One thing is clear…Scarborough Shoal belongs to the Philippines, and will remain as such.

      • Chekwa

         The Sabah issue is even more complicated, had something to do with a Sultan from Mindanao who practically gave away his rights for it.

  • adrianaraneta

    The good Amb. Albert Del Rosario is doing a good job in handling the tension in West Philippine Sea against China, but it would be great if formal complains have been filed to UN – ITCLOS in the soonest time. China knows there is a 16.6. trillion volume of Oil and gas under the West Phillipine Sea. For us Filipinos this is a lifetime opportunity to raise against poverty, and if deprived again then our sons and daughters to their sons and daughters to will still be facing the poverty like we have now.

    • pinoyusa2012

      Wow…. 16.6 trillion….bakit hanggan nayon wala parin kahit isang patak ng oil and gas?

      • adrianaraneta

        Exploration stage pa lang. The reason China does not back off because it is a huge volume of O&G that could sky-rocket the Philippines economy in once the production and delivery starts…that means more $ $ $ $ coming to Philippine Government, will convert to a poverty buster program…will help poor families improve their lives.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

        Stop dreaming that oil will make everyone rich. Look at Indonesia, Venezuela, Africa and even the Arabs in the Middle East. The oil companies get rich and the government get rich. 
        BTW, what happen to the Malampaya government receipts from the gas production. I doubt if the government even got a fair share of the total oil and gas production in this country. 

      • pinoyusa2012

        its a myth!

        If there were gas and oil it would have been dug by now. The area is not unreacheable by current drillling practice out sea.

        The mention of oil and gas was meant to increase the interest in the region.

      • frudo

        meron yan di pagaagawan ang isang island kung wlang oil and gas, 

      • pinoyusa2012

        pre. ang sabi ko nga kung meron oil and gas doon, matagal ng may platform doon. The deepest oil or gas drilling is 2,000 meters below water. Shoal is not that deep.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O2RXGCIX4F2RUB5UAD5OWBPE3A dog

        If philippines became rich it would be a disaster for the whole world

      • pinoyusa2012

        lol. i agree. we are not capable of using power responsibly.

    • Chekwa

       I think Sec, Del Rosario and his team would be doing this in July in Germany.

  • carlocasaman

    as both sides talk phil gov’t must file their complain to UN-ITCLOS and at the same time they, our leaders, improve our military capability…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XLNCVH7M5S7WX4YCDTTEGE4UL4 Eltee

    >>> Mas makabubuti siguro doon sa START TALK or sa Showbiz Central or sa The Buzz kayo mag-usap muli.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TB42U7B37MUYK6QVQU4D4N7TBQ Bob

    Tell China that the Americans will be requested to re-use Subic Bay as a major naval base rent free if China doesn’t back off.  That would be an interesting card to play.

    • aSwedishguy

       You want to be a Americano controlled “whore”again?

      • Marx Louis Wang

         so you are saying Japan is a whore.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

        WWII geisha.

      • Ciao8

        So you are saying Italy, Korea, Japan, Singapore & many more are whores?

        Look yourself in the mirror and you will see the real one!

  • DarkJustice

    As I see it, US is silent but actively monitoring the situation.

  • Zenith_2012

    I don’t recommend war. So many unresolved war between other countries and I want Filipinos to live in peace. I hope that China our Big Brother will not be selfish and will respect our sovereignty over our islands. After all everything belongs to God. let’s just pray & calm down and not escalate things. No conflict can be resolve if we are all angry and greedy.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CNPEE65MGY3EGHL3PNR42DDTJE Aureo

      We cannot win a war against China. If the 1.2 billion Chinese will urinate at the same time towards the Philippines, our country will be inundated with a tsunami of urine! Maawa naman kayo sa mga bagong paligo lang………….

    • Rolly257

      No war, and NO China too on the Philippine shore

    • Chekwa

       China has NO GOD, let me remind u of that.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DJRIL7WPYS374M7IK453N5PPU imjustareader

      Walang mangyayaring war. Bad Move yung sa China. kunyari dumi distance lang ang US pero gustong gusto nila na magka war. You know why?

      China wants to lessen the Power of US and Allied military influence sa East. Now, since ang Pinas at US ay may mutual defense pact, i proprovoke lang ng China ang US para mag establish ng bagong Base sa Mindanao.  Subic will not be used anymore since they require bigger land area.

      Pag nangyari yun, Basag ang China. US has Australia, Japan, Guam, Hawaii, Vietnam and South Korea which intimidates China bigtime. Nag lalaro lang sila ng Psych Game.

      Sa totoo lang, kayang kaya nilang pulbosin ang pinas with just several buttons pero dahil sa affiliation natin sa US, hindi nila magawa. Magiging kahiya hiya sila sa harap ng international community. as result, i kokondina sila. Now pa na mga tao nila are asking for better compensation, better housing etc. now pa na Western Companies are reviewing kung i rerenew nila yung mga factories nila sa China. 

      OO nga pala, Asan na yung mga nag rally rally para paalisin ang mga Puti sa base? bat nanahimik sila?

  • Meow Ming

    Tuloy tuloy dapat ang protesta sa mga China embassy. Gawin nating every week tulad ng ginawa ng mga vietnamese na every week ang ginagawang rally nila sa tapat embassy ng china until   nakipag ayos sa kanila ang china para matigil lang ang protesta. Nasisira kasi image nila dito kasi ang mga ganitong protesta ang laging pinipick-up ng foreign medias.

    • 100% freedom of navigation

      Panghimagas pa lang yung protesta natin at takot pala silang mabulgar. Kakapal pa yan kasi wala pa sa hitsura na aalis na ang mga Insekto anytime soon.

  • 100% freedom of navigation

    Scarborough Shoal was glued and attached firmly in the West Philippine Sea by Mother Nature. There is no man made equipment, weapons or technology can overcome the force of Mother Nature. Scarborough Shoal will be forever in our waters. There is no way China can haul it to their shores.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2USYKJSRCTWVWNXXSXL6DH6EWQ frank

    talking again for wat? dat china owned huangyan island…and then next is china own filiphine island .. wats ? next then china will invade filiphine. 

  • http://twitter.com/Borogol Borogol

     wtf! there is no huangyan island to begin with… these barbaric yelow race are so insolent, their idiocity knows no bounds…

    hacking gov websites????? i dont think so.. you are only to pick on the weak, because those government agencies have low budget, they are still using IIS 5… try picking on private owned websites, wholly filipino sites, and let’s see how you barbaric chinese fail in vain…

    the filipino IT pros are busy developing world class enterprise level systems… but the filipinos are wise… they are not hypocrites… they already have a plan to slowly remove dependencies to sick chinese related products or services.. even chinese restaurants here slowly getting boycot..

    if ever war will broke, we will depend our country and probably nanking incident will  happen again…

    • Chekwa

       Exactly, in our own way, let’s boycott Chinese products, restaurants, etc… Chinese products are very cheap but they have very poor quality as well..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

    Philippine Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Albert del Rosario said that there are three ways to be taken to solve the Scarborough Shoal conflict with China. Political is one, thru ASEAN. The problem of Asean member countries are doing commerce with China ,  and it involves millions of dollars. These countries will be protecting their own interests. China has set the example, by attacking the Philippines economically. Banning the chinese citizens to travel in the Philippines, thereby affecting the tourism industry. and had stop importations of banana and other fruits from the Philippines, now rotting at the ports of China.  Why these Asean countries be get involve with the conflict between China and the Philippines ? Bringing the conflict to ITLOS is another way. But the condition of ITLOS is that all parties to a case have to accept the jurisdiction of the Tribunal. China as of now is not amenable to the plan of the Philippines. On what pressure be applied by the Philippines to China, to change their position ? That would be a big problem. However, the Tribunal has no means of enforcing its decisions. What now, if China will tell the Philippines, the document of the decision is yours while the Scarborough Shoal is ours ? What now  ? We declare war ?  And another way to solve the conflict peacefully is by  Diplomacy. This is the only way that China is commited. Diplomatic approach is the best way to solve the conflict. Had our government officials , the President Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III had thought thoroughly, pensively and executed their  moves perfectly at the start of the conflict, thru diplomacy, then and only then, China would not have attacked the Philippines Economically, and the bananas now rotting at the ports of China , worth 700 million pesos have been saved….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CNPEE65MGY3EGHL3PNR42DDTJE Aureo

      The banana exporters can sue the Pnoy government for starting this problem which was never an irritant in the past. We lost 700 million pesos  and a lot of Chinese tourists because of impulsive leadership. That’s daang matuwid for you!

      • Rolly257

        It’s Gloria et al, who started this problem. 
        First the JSMU, then this RA 9522

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6VJGIKKKRWNWG235FNBXOGMVA Romeo

         Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III was so arrogant, boastful with hostile stance against China, when this conflict started. As if Philippines is a super power country in terms of military power and financial resources. The Philippine can not even stop NPA  insurgency or stop Abu Sayyaf from killing Philippine soldiers. Where is Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III now ? Silent!!!  Now that his arrogance resulted damages to Tourism industry and banana exports. The Secretary of Foreign Affairs do the talking now.  Had Benigno Simeon Cojuanco Aquino III studied the subject : DIPLOMACY 101, the Philippines don’t have this problem now.

    • Rolly257

      We don’t rely too much trading with China 20 years and beyond ago…and we were better off. Let’s boycott each other if that’s what China wants. We don’t surrender to their bullying tactics, let’s tackle them head on. The more you let yourself bullied, the more they’ll bully you.

    • Chekwa

       If the numbers are right, Filipino businessmen have invested more in China than China invested in the Philippines. I think it’s really risky dealing with the communists to begin with. The Phil. should focus more in making business with free nations.

    • PHtaxpayer

      Exactly!  Actually, P-Noy’s futile attempt at foreign policy has cost the PH economy billions in lost revenues.  I think his objective was merely to influence public opinion in accepting more US military presence and spending more for the military.  Instead the strategy backfired.

      That’s what you get when you deal with the devil (US imperialism) – it destabilizes govts and ends up ruining the peace and development of the PH.  That is the root cause of our woes, starting with the 1951 MDT and ending up with the Marcos dictatorship.  Today, P-Noy has not grasped the facts of history and ended up selling us to the Americans once again.

  • 100% freedom of navigation

    Parang ang  tunog nila nandidikta. Hindi nakikipag dialogue.

  • http://twitter.com/Borogol Borogol

    actually, the volume of oil has been verified by oil exploration companies like Philodrill, and based on the survey data, the OIL volume is most probably even greater than Kuwai’ts  oil resources. Then, barbaric china learned about it… and because China is really wiling to do ANYTHING to get US economy in #1 spot, they want to take this for their own.. just imagine China having a country-wide monopoly of everything, this will even let them grow their military forces, and develop new ships, planes, nukes.

    ..too bad, US thinks ahead of China.. look at Iraq now (the claim was a weapon of mass destruction, but none was found.. actually it was the OIL in Iraq).. China, you’re next… Philippines is on ties with US, and as long words can find their ways , US PH and other countries will be allies.

    …China said they don’t fear war… but they fear the Nanking incident.. (dami pa naman ma L d2 hahhha)

    • rightways

      The facts are : Philippine was colonized by US and still remains in the mentality of depending on US aid.

      You think US cares Philippines?  No, US only cares and looks after US own interests. In another words, US don’t care who own Huangyan Island.

      Do US allow you to vote and elect their political masters? Don’t imitate and behave like US politicians unless you are capable of your own!!

      • Rolly257

        What Huangyan Island are you talking about?

      • PHtaxpayer

        Exactly!  So many immature and ignorant Filipino’s commenting here, not knowing the facts or history.  Actually it is the same in China and the US, citizens not knowing the history and falling prey to govt propaganda.

      • rightways

         We must learn from the history. Today, peoples can think better and more advance in China than US.The 19th century Cold War mentality and its human rights in the 21st century have led to the declined US while we see China’s peaceful rise!

        Likewise, the Philippine govt behavior is a sign of weakness  and not strength, like banana republics. Imagine when China stops buying banana from Philippines, what would happen to the government?

      • PHtaxpayer

        Yes, I think P-Noy made a major blunder when he tried to use the Shoal incident as propaganda to persuade public opinion to accept his strategy to appease Obama in order to get freebies for the AFP modernization.  Instead we end up paying P450M for a junk cutter with no sensors or modern weapons.

        I think these actions against China is hiding the real issue that the PH govt trying to raise funds for the military by selling out to the Americans who are giving us a raw deal.  We should be developing our relationships with our neighbors for close cooperation in defense and security instead.

  • Fool_Of_Mercy

    ang buong mundo ay pag-aari ng mga INSEKTO

  • cooldoods

    China’s historical basis for claiming the Scarborough Shoals are moot and academic due to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. The Scarborough Shoals are clearly within the Philippines’ Exclusive Economic Zone.

  • ITT_Co_Makati

    Stop the talks now, let us re-arm. Where will we get the money? If only all the corrupt Filipinos be patriotic enough to stop their stealing and put it in an armament fund, then we can buy guns, missles and even start to create nuclear weapons. If we have 1000 leaders pocketing 1 Billion pesos each and stop what they are doing, then we can have better weapons than Red China. What good is your 1 billion peso kupit when the red chinese takes over? Better lose it to the Filipinos than the red chinese. We can start by arresting al the red chinese spies lurking in our country.

  • ITT_Co_Makati

    The government has no hand in the anti red china rallies because PNoy is pro red china himself. Dare PNoy to recognize Taiwan as the real China.

  • juanditamad

    nanaginip ako kagabi..parang totoo na pangyayari. pinasok ng PLA ang bansa nating minamahal. umpisa nagpalipad sila ng missles galing gunboats at submarines at ICBMs galing mainland, halos 80% ng military installations natin sa buong bansa wasak, maraming patay tapos pasok mga fighter jets nila..tinuluyan ang mga nalalabi pang gumagalaw na sundalo at military assets sa mga kampo, airbases at navy installations. tapos nag landing sila..mga sibilyan dala-dalang bandilang puti tapos inipon ng mga PLA ang mga sibilyan..dito na nag-umpisa ang oppression…kailangan sumunod sa pinag-uutos nila…lahat ng identities pinagkukuha, nilagay sa concentration camps..ang mga na-identify na pinoys/pinays anti-chinese sa internet pinagdadampot.ang iba nagtago na sa bundok, walang makain, gutom. napasama ako sa grupo ng mga patriots. dala-dala ko ang favorite kong PVAR rifle, pinag-iisipan ko ano ang maging future ko dala-dala ang baril ko…tapos nakagising ako :((

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

      GO BACK TO SLEEP AND DONT WAKE UP COCONUT HEAD LOL!!!!!!!!!!

      PHILIPPINES IS CHINESE TERRITORY!

      • resty144

        Mr. Huang: Dapat sa iyo edeport at pauwien sa China. Alam kong illegal ka dito sa pinas. Uwi ka na at magtanin ka ng damo at ipakain mo sa pamilya mong parang kabayo.

      • frudo

        wag nyo na pansinin ya nagpapansin lang yan, paano nga pala nakakalusot ang pagmumura nyan dito sa forum gising moderator!  Mothers day pa nman nadamay mga nanay na walang kamalay malay

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

         AY PUTTANG lNA MO GAGGO!

      • frudo

        MAS PUTTA KA AT MAS GAGGO KA PA BALIWWW

  • gilbert_zone

    China is not a nation of human beings. They are communist, godless creatures who have no souls. They threaten and kill their own people. They do not believe in the right of their own people to know the truth so they control media.  They kill Chinese protesters. They put poison like melamine in children’s milk and sell it to the whole world. They put lead in paint used for toys. They mistreat their workers. The can kill their own people without guilt or remorse, surely Filipinos or any other nation weaker than them is nothing.  This nation is a DANGER to the whole world.

  • neverwint3r

    if these chinese communists who doesn’t believe in God, can happily repress their own people do anyone thinks they’ll submit to rule of law? the tiananmen massacre, their oppression of tibet, the dalai lama, their dissidents/activists and the military oppression of chinese minorities in the north are just among a fw which shows that they only believe in the use of force.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

      So what do you want to prove? That we fight them or we don’t?

  • Chekwa

    Bilateral talks with China is almost like dealing with the Devil. It’s a waste of time and entirely useless. The Phil. Govt. should just save it’s energy and saliva for July when the Phil. presents it’s case in the High Tribunal in Germany. No point talking to Communists.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

      Talks with the Philippines is like dealing with a SIut! LOL!!!!!!!!

  • KARGATAPASB4

    This the problem with our government officials. why would they talk with china when in fact china already invaded the country.?

    ThEy need to go to the UN and present thier case NOW so that UN will force china to leave.

    Did money change hands already? We all need to be vocal with this situation, because befor we know it. china is aready mining the resources of our country.

    Tell this government agency NO TO COMPROMISE. IT IS OUR COUNTRY. TO THE CORRUPT PILITICIANS, WE NEED TO STOP ELECTING THEM

    THIS is THE REASON WHY WE DON’T HAVE THE MILITARY CAPABILITY TO DEFENT OUR COUNTRY.OUR GOVERNMENT IS SO CORRUPT THAT THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF ITS PEOPLE

    THEY KEEP ON TALKING. GO TO THE UN NOW AND FORCE THE UN TO ENFORCE THE LAW. WHY IS IT THAT THE UN WILL ONLY SEND ITS MILITARY ARM WHEN THERE IS ALREADY AN ARMED CONFLICT?.

    THE GOVERNMETN HAS BEEN SAYING THEY WILL GO TO UN AND PRESENT OUR CASE EVEN WITHOUT CHINA. WHAT KEEPS THEM TOO LONG TO GO THERE.

    THE OFFER IS NOT ENOUGH YET????? C’MON , KABAYAN, OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD KNOW THAT WE THE PEOPLE LOVE OUR COUNTRY.

    TALKING WITH CHINA, AGAIN??? ARE WE THAT STUPID. WE NEED TO LET US MEDIA THAT THE US WILL MORE LIKELY TO BE DRAWN INTO ARMED CONFLICT WITH CHINA BECAUSE OF THE PHILIPPINES. THE MORE THIS CASE GO TO MAIN STREAM US MEDIA THE chinese WILL BE PRESSURED TO LEAVE. THEY HAVE NO LEGAL GROUNDS WHAT SO EVER IN INVADING OUR COUNTRY.

    WE NEED TO LETT OUR GOVERNMENT TO KNOW, WE DO NOT WNT ANY TALK WITH CHINA. OUR COUNTRY IS NOT A PART OF CHINA. OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT TO BE SHARED WITH INVADERS.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

    Bilang isang Chinese national in the Philippines isa lang ang masasabi ko dito..

    Ni Hao Pilipino Halimaw! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

    MGA PUTTANG lNA NYO HINDI KAYO UUBRA SA PWERSA NG PLA MGA PILIPINONG UNGAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hagler

      Cguro ang tunay mong pangalan ay Robert Hunghang! bwahahahahahhah!

      at paborit isuot na damit ay hunghang shirt, hahahah.

    • resty144

      Mahiya kang animal ka, Mabubuhay ka sa Pinas, Ano ang ginagawa mo dito asa pinas? Ano secret agent ka ng  Insik na Kumusnista. Bakit ka nandito sa Lugar namim o baka shabo mannufacturer ka. o wala kang papiles para magtira sa Pinas. Uwi ka na sa China at maglampaso ka sa puet mo..

  • pepengkabayo

    Malacañang reiterated that the government had NO HAND in the anti-China protests in Manila and other capital cities around the world on Friday.,,,

    I don’t understand this gov’t. No Principle, Walang paninindigan.
    Before, Pnoy was all over the place, telling us to protect our sovereignty on the S.Shoal.
    He even bought an old destroyer to patrol on disputed rock,
    Now that the Anti protest escalates on both sides,
    This gov’t is telling the Chinese that the gov’t has no Hand on anti chinese protest.

    As Marcos said, They are Fanning the Flame of Revolution.
    Ika nga ginatungan ng Presidente ng sumiklab at lumaki ang sunog, wala raw silang alam.

    Command Responsibility or Pater Paternas, the President is the father of the nation,
    it is his responsibility to stand on what is right and support its sovereignty or people.
    This is what we call Chinese Balimbing,

    • bahog_itlog

      “He even bought an old destroyer to patrol on disputed rock,”

      Hindi yun destroyer pepeng. Cutter ang tawag nun. 

    • PHtaxpayer

      Nope, you are wrong.  The President is not responsible for what private citizens do.  He is only responsible for govt officials under the Executive Branch and the military.  If private citizens break the law, he is compelled to force the police to arrest them because he is responsible for peace, law and order.  Look it up in the Constitution before making false statements.

    • rosamistika16

      pag-isipan mong mabuti kung bakit nagsasalita ng ganun ang malacanang ha? wag verbatim ang pag-interpret mo ng mga baga-bagay! matuto kng mag-analyze!!!

  • XFACTORVII

    matagal nang nainvade ng mga tsino ang Pilipinas… kanino ba mostly ng mga malalaking kumpanya sa Pinas… haist… bakit kasi di nalang alisin ang colonial mentality at tangkilikin ang sariling produkto nating pang world class din naman… bakit di paunlarin ang mga sakahan at iba pang natural resources naten… Di naman kelangang umasa tayo sa tourism… hay nako… palibhasa kasi mga mayayaman puro pansariling kapakanan lang iniisip… di na sana nag aabroad ang mga pinoy kung maayos lang pamamalakad ng gobyerno…  

  • TUBAGBOHOL.com

    Just boycott China-made products. That’s the only way we can save ourselves from the aggression of China.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

      Blah blah blah all talk and no walk LOL trying to boycott made in China will have no effect to the gigantic Chinese economy. the Philippines market is so insignificant there would hardly be any loss. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      FlLIPINOS = ANIMALS

      • rosamistika16

        filipinos and all human beings are classified animals, therefore YOU are also an animal, stupid!

        but sardines-smell CHINESE ARE CANNIVALS!!!

        leave our country and propagate your foul smell and cannivalism in your own country!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BBGJDLTSW4A5QNJENPQDRYDB7Y 吕先生

        we don’t want to see Filipino care workers in our land too

      • rosamistika16

        then send them all back to the phils and go back to your sardines’ smelling country! you think we will die without you?

  • marines271985

    woooo…..ease first…. it is not only the panatag shoal the main issue here.. it is about economy we can’t afford losing to much jobs and again economy will be back-down again,, PHILIPPINES are now going to take off i think the best way we can do is to be a real Filipino..

  • marines271985

    wooo. ease guys… it is not only the panatag shoal the main player of this issue. it is also our economy,, guys let us give first a chance to boost our economy Philippines economy is on the track and now ready to take off. let our goverment settle in democratic way. just to ease tension and to give way our economy, we can’t afford lossing jobs and have again a back-down economy  in the future. if we are strong and stable enough in terms of strong defense and sustainable country then we will stand firm and claim what is ours as of now LET BE PEACE..MABUHAY pearl of the orient..

  • palaigit

    TO PHtaxpayer
     im never a propagandist, its you who started that. im a realist and as i said, id rather help and be positive about the coutnry, not the backward thinking that you have…
    you are talking about marcos wherein in your previous comment you took into context cambodia, iraq and other countries. but if we are going to talk about communism and china then so be it.
    let me ask you this, do you ever personally know a communist first hand? i know lots of them and their internal workings, the funding that they have and the rallies that they hold. i dont abide by what they do but i respect their rights of doing so. 

    lets be real, there was a serious threat of communism in the country, marcos got his hands tied behind his back and was forced to do that. marcos was the reason that the philippines was one of the most modern countries ever, the streets. electricity, bridges and bldgs that under his administration built are still used now, infact the renovated roads were marcos era still. 

    i dont agree of the marcos’ deliberate disregard for rights, countless unaccounted murders and the economic corruption of the phil, but be real, which phil president to date could match the zenith that we had before?even the economic graduate gloria became a stu..pid blunder.

    also think clearly and be more real, the largest communist coalition, the USSR, do you approve of such? and what they did? have you thoroughly studied ww2 and its exploits, how russia did some land grabbing? ( i think you lack that knowledge) i could narrate to you step by step each word that happened in ww2 and still undergoing study about the secret exploits of each country…the US conquered most of europe, now are they controlling those countries? is the US controlling isreal, japan, czech, germany and etc? NO they did not, they brought democracy to those countries and did not control that… infact gen george patton feared that the US must stop the advance of russia for the sake of democracy, yet they turned a deaf ear and now is licking the wounds of post cold war era..

    if your implying that the US is a bully, then please open your eyes and look at what china is doing to us and vietnam in 1988! goodness, that is bullying! and for what purpose? oil and tons of resources that could be ours, now that is bullying! unless you have a different definition of the word.

    the US wants to ensue democracy that is why they tried to combat the chinese in the korean war, now please look at sokor, are they suffering from the democracy that the US fought for? goodness, look at nokor, they are the ones that is in is in a decrepit state and a military first era, millions are hungry and etc.. now yet you are backing up the chinese communist for what they did? be real, your the propagandist.

    the USSR is all broken up, most countries who were formerly under it is now members of the EU and russia is threatened by all their moves, but russia does not dictate their actions anymore. others are members of NATO even…
    dude im a information monger, i dont base my debates on senseless emotional pseudo intellectual impulsive cogitation towards you…

  • palaigit

    and if US is the bully then taiwan should have declined their help, such as selling them a bunch of F16s and other armaments…if the US was the bully, then why is india procuring almost 150 modern howitzers for their indian-china border..or have we forgotten about the chinese land grabbing of india way back…vietnam is making a name and standing on its own by taking what is theirs, such as again land, yet kaboom, dead are the 88 sailors back in the 80s, china just led their heads high…or bahrain, israel, afghanistan should also shoo away US from their lands or decline the armament deliveries and sales…they are helping even, though practically the US is becoming a warlord because of this, but then again, they would not be a warlord if other countries such as china or north korea is not trying to upset the balance and threaten commerce and maritime peace…if only north korea and iran would stop their nuclear arms projects then the least we could breathe a sigh of relief..

    • PHtaxpayer

      Bully is also the world’s biggest arms dealer.  What’s surprising with that?  US spends on its military and war policy more than China, EU, japan, Korea, UK and SEA, COMBINED.  

      Have you heard of Gen. Smedley Butler and his “war is a racket” expose how Wall Street bankers influence US govt foreign policy to topple foreign govts?  have you heard of Edward Bernays, the Father of modern PR and how the US govt used him for its propaganda campaigns?  Have you heard of Pres. Eisenhower’s speech warning the public on the US military-industrial complex? Have you heard of the secret “Office of Strategic influence” of the Bush-Cheney administration that the NY Times exposed in 2001 that they fooled international news organizations into running falses stories to support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?

      • palaigit

        okay i get your point but then again, regarding your point on afghan and iraq war, can you tell that to the US citizens and all those who felt the brunt of the 9/11 attacks? have you seen and felt their emotions and ideals about what happened? would you just sit and watch your country being maliciously attacked, not to mention a civilian establishment? c’mon, be real…
        also, if eisenhower was alive now, do you think he would mellow the arms race and let other countries like iran, north korea, and china be the world’s dominant countries now? do you want their nuclear armaments be their loud mouth? even the former actor former pres reagan formalized the starwars protocol for US defense. 
        american presidents are not dumb, but have you noticed their singular stand with regards their defenses and their world policing? they may differ in their foreign policy and domestic views but with regards world policing and world peace, they have a common voice. its always the same. i think its only the republican ron paul that has a very eccentric view regarding foreign forces and bases that the US has..but then again, its romney that would be representing the republicans in this election

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

        Well have you heard the discovery that Filipinos are actually Human imitating monkeys? LOL!!!!!!!!!

      • Ape

        I thought that only animals will eat their own kind. After i met with some Chinese associates they proved to me that I am wrong. One even told me that to be as lucky as your relative who just passed away you must eat his/her brain. A snooker partner of mine, also a chinese, said that the traditional chinese show their love for their mother who just passed away by ripping off her skin from buttocks to the nape. they will dry, grind and powder the skin and sprinkle it on their food to celebrate her birthday and date of death, he even showed me the beautiful urn where the powdered skin is kept, only relatives are allowed to touch it except on her birthdays. A chinese customer once asked me if I’ve heard about this med that’s 10x more effective than Viagra, it’s made from grounded fetuses, these fetuses are usually aborted babies from mothers who want to prevent punishment, China have a 1 child only policy. After these encounters i never dared touch chinese foods again.

      • to0

        Those yellow monkey will eat anything moving. Look how they bring the sharks at the brink of extinction. He heh eh. I can not go on citing what the Chinese eat lease I vomit. He heh e.

      • anakpinas

        fcuk you, family of mongoloid………..

      • palaigit

        early pre homo sapiens were found in china, so by logic, you guys were the real monkeys…in the phil are only remnants of stonage skeletons, nonetheless homo sapiens, human beings…you are the monkeys, even your kung fu imitates monkeys,hehehe…haya! roll monkey, hang on trees! 

      • to0

        PHtaxpayer, better admit that you are a yellow monkey before using PH. Your statement says ”
        US spends on its military and war policy more than China, EU, japan, Korea, UK and SEA, COMBINED.” Liar! 

        Can’t you see  Yellow monkey, you are bullying your neighbors around. You claim South China Sea, North China Sea, Taiwan, and you were clobbered by the Vietnamese just after the American-Vietnam war when you claim a part of Vietnam territory. You nearly went to war with Russia, again, because of the boarder confilic. Then again, you invaded Tibet which is entirely a different race. You annex Xingjiang Perfectorate whose natives looks more like turkish (Arabs) and their religion Muslim than Han Chinese. You annexed Eastern MOngolia. Eastern Mongolia belongs to MOngolia stupid.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BBGJDLTSW4A5QNJENPQDRYDB7Y 吕先生

      US earn lots of maney through deliberate and intentional triggering,so US is the biggest winner in the game.

      • palaigit

        i dont disagree to that, true they are indirectly being a warlord with these actions..but so is russia and france who are also in to selling arms to other countries, like their sukhoi and rafale supersonic air superiority jets. israel is also selling rifles, south korea is also tapped by lockheed to produce some  of the parts of the F35 lightning II, so in a way, all these said countries are earning money through defenses which are precludes to war. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

        lDlOTlC MONKEY!

      • to0

        He he he. You are the MONKEY, IDIOT!

      • palaigit

        are these all the words you know in your vocabulary? 
        ok, ill give you a chance to analyze and deliver your counter debate on this issue, but then again, that is if you only have brains, except perhaps for your brain stem needed for you to breathe and have a pulse and thats it, no other content in your empty skull..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

        LOL who are you to talk about brains? China has contributed millions of inventions and innovations to human scientific achievements. China even has its own space station the Tiangong! What did the Filipino monkeys contributed? AIDS? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • palaigit

        true, china did that, and let me explain this yo you further PEANUT brain or brainLESS…i said it is you that does not have brains, i respect the chinese for their contribution, and i respect people who respects others, but you or IT does not have brain at all, its a wonder how you can even type, did your master teach you that? now down boy, be a good boy, that’s a good boy…

      • palaigit

        and also, the chinese did contribute at lot but that was ancient science, recently in modern science, most of the ones who contributed are germans, russians, indians, americans and lots of europeans…the chinese, though i respect them, has resorted to imitation, copying tech, example your J-10 air superiority jet, was a copy of the sukhoi from russia, which the russians was not pleased with the turn of events, and the chinese even cancelled the contracts for it…tsk tsk tsk…

  • trish pamintuan

    dear
    china country.. kindly stop owning our country..you should be thankful
    to our country because we been kind and generous to your country from
    the history…on world war 2 when japan attack your country thousand of
    your people went to Philippines to be safe and to our filipinos kind
    and generosity we welcome your people without any question…and by the
    history china been trading good and currency from the past and have good
    communication.. so why now everything turns so bad and you people of
    china become so greedy..china country you should be thankful to our
    country.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FECU7DS3PHDVXXIQ5PPONNZJ7I Robert Huang

      Cheap Flip BlTCH! Stop Spreading AIDS!

      • to0

        You are really a YELLOW MONKEY. Good to see your true color. Soon, the Filipinos will drive you off our shore just like what the Malaysians and the Indonesians did to you decades ago. You YELLOW MONKEY just does not learn your lesson. He heh e.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QDTIZGXCMVURXRSIZ5UGSTO6AU Weapon

      you bunches of mestizos are so freaking naive and stupid that truly believe all these white boys would sacrifice their precious lives to defend your inferior countries… they only  treat all the  non white boys as sub-humans and your lives are totally disposable — all they care about are how to get free sex with your sisters , wives and moms.
      china will rise and reclaim the position of world leader like we always do for the last five thousand years — when the time comes all you people who have been bullying , suppressing and badmouthing china will get what you deserve for… (FORGIVE BUT NOT FORGET).
    p.s. 1) all these non sense  international laws are written by white boys , so they can remain as the world rulers and keep on enslaving non white people.
           2) alaska is geographically near canada and russia, so should it belong to either one of these countries, lol !!

    • to0

      You talk nonesense. The day will come when all the nations in earth will rebel against the Chinese. And it is forth coming. :You have antagonized your neighbors along your boarder. Vietnam knows you so much regarding cheatings on your boarder claim. Russia knows you fully well when you claim that “small” island along your boarder with Russia which could have triggered a mortal war between you two. :You claim Taiwan, you claim Tibet, etc. In short, you are the head ache and eye sore of the world. 

      Good you are showing your real self, yellow monkey. Soon, Douglas McArthur’s wish to bomb you out of existence is forth coming. He he he. 

      Just U WAIT! The missiles are coming.

  • rightways

     Philippines and US still remain in Cold War mentality of the 19th
    century in this 21st century. No wonder Philippines remains in poverty
    and the decline of US while China’s rise peacefully and steadily.

    History showed that US abandoned allies when its interests were
    jeopardized. Remember US abandoned Philippines when the Japanese
    advanced and conquered the Philippines during the wars. US would not
    foolishly allow Philippines using them into conflict with China to
    jeopardize own interests.

    In fact, Philippines is least importance to US when compared to China, Japan and Korea, etc.

    Right now, US aid to Philippines is only a blank cheque. They
    desperately need Philippines buy more and more weapons of destruction
    and military equipment to improve their economy and reduce the mountains
    of debts.

    Americans are back to Asia and some countries like Philippines are
    willingly to be recolonized again.

    • to0

      You’re crazy! American sons shed their lives in the Philippines because of McArthur’s promise. Do not cite history, you baboon. You are so confuse or deliverately fantasizing.

    • palaigit

      hahaha are you crazy?
      the US congress ordered mc arthur to leave the phil since he is badly defeated and encricled. he left 70,000 AMERICAN SERVICEMEN!!!!! do you think he just left the phil? stuuuuuupid!

      for your idiotic information, it is the phil that decided to dismantle the US bases in the phil back in the 90s, it was not the US that decided that. due to the nationalist sentiments of our leaders…

      only the phil is the buffer for all the countries in asia, its smack in the middle of every country and is vital as a base for operations. the US presence in south kor is inevitable since Northkor is an imminent threat due to its policies. japan is even kicking out the US bases as well due to some reason. japan can stand on its own but still it buys armaments from the US. 

  • to0

    Chinese will kill their own kind. Look what those Chinese boat people did in the 50’s. In Hong Kong, when the mother gives birth to a baby  girl, they would just throw it to the sea without giving a second thought. They give primium to boys.

  • to0

    Corona is a Chinese, that’s Y he cheats. Chinese and cheater is inseperable.

  • to0

    Philippine claim to the Kalayaan Group of Islands is none negotiable. IT IS OURS AS PER UNCLOS.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMFIETJ2SB6GA54RUTPJHQ6JMY Onemoon

    whaha!!! you donkeys! everything will be destroyed! religions, nationalism society ~ all will be dispersed in a not so far future.  The United nation will soon claim everything and no one can stand before it not all the remaining armies of this world.



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