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NO THEATRICAL SCENE Tour guide Carlos Celdran is put behind bars in this file photo taken in 2010 when he was arrested for his “Damaso” act. INQUIRER PHOTO

It was the kind of court decision that—for some—could only please Padre Damaso.

A Manila court on Monday found tour guide Carlos Celdran guilty of offending religious feelings when, dressed like Jose Rizal, he stood in front of the main altar of Manila Cathedral during an ecumenical service, shouted and raised a placard with the word “Damaso” on it.

In an eight-page decision, Metropolitan Trial Court Judge Juan Bermejo Jr. sentenced Celdran to a minimum of two months and maximum of one year in prison for violating Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code.

Celdran was protesting against the Church’s opposition to the reproductive health (RH) bill then pending in Congress. The measure was passed into law last year.

Damaso is a hated character in Jose Rizal’s novel “Noli Me Tangere,” which depicts the abuses of  friars in the years of Spanish rule.

Judge Bermejo cited a law which penalizes “anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony, shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

An act is considered offensive to a religion when it is “directed against religious practice or dogma or ritual for the purpose of ridicule, as mocking or scoffing at or attempting to damage an object of religious veneration.”

‘Still flexing muscles’

Celdran, who was in court with his wife Leny to hear the verdict, said his legal team was preparing to appeal the decision, adding  it set a “bad precedent” and that he was ready to take his fight all the way to the Supreme Court.

“The time of Damaso is not yet over,” Celdran told the Philippine Daily Inquirer in Filipino. “As a matter of fact, Damaso is flexing his muscles to get back [into the picture].”

Also a theater artist and a painter, Cedran has been known to use his celebrity status to take on social issues.

“I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that, when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court and put you in jail,” Celdran, who is out on bail, said. “I am lucky that I have legal support but what about other Filipinos who don’t?”

Stay away from politics

Celdran said he was not surprised by the court’s decision and that he suspected it was payback for his vocal stance against the Church position on the RH measure.

Bermejo also cited a 1939 Supreme Court decision stating that the determination of an act’s offensiveness was “a question of fact which must be judged only according to the feelings of the Catholics and not those of other faithful ones.”

Prosecution witnesses testified that at 3 p.m. on Sept. 30, 2010, inside the Cathedral-Basilica of the Immaculate Conception, Celdran interrupted an ecumenical prayer when he went near the altar and flashed the “Damaso” placard.

Dressed like Rizal, he shouted that the Church “should stop getting involved” in politics.

The incident occurred during the second anniversary of  the “May They Be One Bible Campaign” and the launch of the “Handwritten Bible,” a project of the Philippine Bible Society (PBS), with a two-part program—the ecumenical prayer and the Holy Mass.

The occasion was attended by then Manila Archbishop Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales, the papal nuncio, other bishops, PBS members, and military and police officers, witnesses said.

Fr. Oscar Alunday, executive secretary of the Episcopal Commission for Biblical Apostolate (Ecba), said the incident was “insulting, aggrieving, and an intrusion of the holy liturgical worship.”

Witness Angelito Cacal, a staff of Ecba, said he was “surprised, offended and angry since he did not expect such incident will happen considering that it was a solemn celebration.”

“The positive declaration of the witnesses for the prosecution and the circumstances surrounding the incident are sufficient to satisfy the quantum of evidence needed for a criminal conviction,” the court decision said.

‘Damaso still strong’

Celdran said the verdict would not slow him down because he believed  the decision violated freedom of speech, human rights and the separation of Church and State.

“There was a case in the 1950s but it was never taken to trial because that law was never taken seriously. Now, in the age of technology, of the mobile phone, Damaso is still strong,” he said.

Celdran, who has apologized to the Archdiocese of Manila,  said the Church leaders had forgiven him in the name of the Lord but not on the earthly realm.

“As far as they are concerned, I can go to heaven, but I have to go to jail first,” Celdran said.

Msgr. Nestro Cerbo, rector of Manila Cathedral, declined to comment on Celdran’s conviction.

“I am not authorized to give a statement. I might get sanctioned. Please take pity on me,” Cerbo told reporters. He directed the media to the Archdiocese of Manila’s communications office for an official comment.

In a statement, Human Rights Watch said: “This is a setback for free speech in the Philippines, which prides itself on being a democracy. This verdict should be reversed. Nobody should be jailed for voicing out an opinion or position, especially on a subject that concerns the lives of millions of Filipino women and mothers.” With reports from Jocelyn R. Uy, Leila B. Salaverria and Inquirer Research


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  • bogli_anakdami

    in flipland, if you shout inside a church = kalaboso

    if you kill ‘sang tambaks na flip gung gongs in broad daylight = goodtime dito sa kanilang mansions/resorts

    kapag ninakaw ang pondo ng bayan = ‘bakwet sa ‘merka, tambay doon sa vegas…

    hay naku, flips, puro mga gung gongs…

    • barok

      are you referring to the entire Filipino race when you say “flips”? in ‘merka when you curse a certain race or minority it is racism…

      • bogli_anakdami

        there are african-americans and n!ggers; there are whites and honkies/trailer-trash; there are latinos and wetbacks, etchastera, etc…

        u get my drift?

      • barok

        nope.

  • AntiAko

    Sad day, indeed, for democracy… all in the name of zeal… tsk, tsk, seems like our priests have not learned the virtues of love and forgiveness which our Lord has showed and taught.

    • Vincent Tuason

      mercy also requires justice. otherwise, wala ng silbi ang korte.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7ZXAWDLJZ4YDF2BTYTFXBNNEU ISCA

    “I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that,
    when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court
    and put you in jail….”

    We can question the Catholic Institution any day we want but there are better ways and  places to do that. I may not agree with the Church in their position regarding family planning but a little respect is needed everytime.

    The Church has forgiven him. But as we always say, we can forgive but not forget. The Law says he still has to answer for his deeds. Freedom of Speech doesn’t mean you can disrespect someone anytime.

    • bogli_anakdami

      celdran committed a cardinal sin (ooopsie cardinal sin, ‘wag akong multuhin ha?)..  in flipland, shouting inside a church is a heinous crime… worst than murder and thievery…

      dapat ipako sa krus si celdran sa biyernes santo… total eh malapit na naman ang mahal na araw, di ba?

      mga flip gung gongs, ano bang araw ang biyernes santo???

      • $20722540

        ikaw ay flip na flip at gung gong!

      • bogli_anakdami

        pogi naman, di ba?

      • $20722540

        yeh pogi with flat nose at gung gong pa

      • bogli_anakdami

        bwa ha ha ha ha, gung gong

      • $20722540

        you’re a flip head calling them gung gong, when in fact, you are the gung gong gonggorer

      • barok

        none sense troll

      • henri_see

        mga katulad mong tao ang dahilan kaya’t hinding hindi mo ako makukumbinsi na pumunta sa side nyo. mas may respeto pa ako sa unggoy kesa sa yo.

    • duviz7533

      we can show our opposition sa issue pero right place in the righ time…medyo grandstanding na din ang ungoy na ito or pakawala ng manufacturer ng mga condoms and contraceptives…bakit hindi niya hamonin si sila enrile at sotto..di ko din gusto ang position ng catholic church pero di ako magwawala sa loob ng simbahan

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CRBW2RJR4WNWVIDZVSCLFQK4KQ Spike

    Wow and  to think the current president is the son of the so called champion of democracy

    • Marx Louis Wang

      I-ispiking kita diyan, e! Bakit ang presidente ang sisisihin mo? Hindi naman siya ang gumawa ng law na ito?

  • $20722540

    hey celdran, go home and plant kamote

    • bogli_anakdami

      not too fast…

      kailangan eh may bendisyon ni kaksaker padre dumbasso yung kamote before planting, di ba?…

      para maganda ang talbos… ymmmy, talbos ng kamote at bagoong…

  • Marx Louis Wang

    Ang ginawa ni Celdran ay expression of his freedom of speech. 

    • barok

      ang ginawa naman ng mga kinauukulan ay rule of law…a church is a house of God just like your house is home to your family…kung ganun din kaya gawin a bahay mo, matutuwa ka ba?

  • http://enria.org/ scconcern

    Being convicted and imprison because of ones belief and ideals is honorable, unlike our goverment officials and friar who cheat and steal from the people.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      He was convicted not because of his beliefs and ideals,  but because he did it in the wrong place and time.

      • http://enria.org/ scconcern

        Ideals/belief does not choose the right place and right time. What is important, they got the message and as long no one is hurt. If this happen to someone with connection, power or plutocrats, it will be alright.
        I learn for my oldy, all written legal laws are written by human with biases and interest, which can be ignored or exposed thru protest, as long you dont hurt(physical) even the tip of the toe.
        Sa america US o Canada, papabayaan lang yan, basta walang buhay na perwisiyo.

  • bogli_anakdami

    dito sa flipland, pwedeng gawin ang lahat ng krimen…pumatay, kumabits, magnakaws, mag-squat, at saka jay walking… libre, walang kaso…

    pero, kapag binatikos si padre dumbasso, kalaboso ka…

    dat’s a no no, di ba, mga kabayang flip gung gongs? 

    • henri_see

      Thanks for comparing Celdran to killers, adulterers, thieves, squatters.

  • Albert Einstien

    impliedly repealed na yan provision ng 1932 RPC art 133 ng 1987 constitution HINDI lang ininvoke ng lawyer nya…pwede pa i-invoke yan sa appeal…issue of jurisdiction din yan….

    celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

    celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….religious exercise yan..

    • Jane Tan

      True. Even though I doubt that was what he was really doing. But, it wouldn’t help. Article 133 of the RPC will still apply. There is no acknowledged religion which practices such actions.

  • John_Galt_II

    This judge should be jailed for offending my non religious beliefs!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    CELDRAN knew the PROBLEM of Philippine society and it is OVER POPULATION—–And CELDRAN KNEW who is to BLAME on this PROBLEM—-the Catholic of the Philippines—————-CELDRAN was JUST EXERCISING his FREEDOM of SPEACH to PROTEST on the DAMASSOS——–and therefore NOT CRIMINAL——
    ——————–REALEASE HIM ————

    • barok

      Pasalamat pa rin sya kasi he is in a free country, eh kung sa Russia kaya nya gawin yun. Parang pag sinabi mo kasing freedom of speech eh pwede mong gawin ang gusto kahit nakakasakit ka na ng kapwa at damdamin, I think it should come with respect.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        YES—you have the RIGHT to RESPRECT the DAMASSOS- I respect you with that—-but CELDRAN DO NOT RESPECT Damassos —we have to RESPECT him too——

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

        freedom and right nya nga pero dapat may limitasyon..dinidistract nya or iniinterupt nya kc ung mass..don sya ndale…gawin nya kaya yan sa mga kapatid na muslim habang nagdadasal..ewan ko lng..pasalamat nga sya at catholic gnawan nya ng ganyan,..be responsible kc

      • barok

        Respect is earned.

      • TGM _ERICK

         Right.  I respect the person of Celdran but I cannot respect the manner in which he acted out his opinion.  What a disgrace to his family!.

      • AllinLawisFair

        Respect should be earned.

    • henri_see

      If I barge into your family’s home during dinner, and called the head of your family a criminal a$$h0le, in front of everyone, I’m sure you’d beat me up and I can’t even complain because it’s your home.
      Freedom of speech my a$$.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

      burador’s mother is a whore

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        It a catholic behavtor—

  • duviz7533

    I don’t agree sa stand ng catholic church pero we should not cross the line..mga senators na pro life kuno ang pagbubulwayan niya sana

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/6Z3YEBBCMPFXHTF7O5T44PLEYE Yves

      EXACTLY !!!

  • Mamang Pulis

    kapag bumabanat si bishop arguelles—-ok lang

    hindi–hindi pambabastos yun…. ginagawa nun matanda prayle…ay..

    na ngangaral sa mga naliligaw na tupa…

    si celdran—?? medyo na carried away 

    di kaya paihelera na nagangaral din si celdran?

    o nga pala–malakas pala si obispo kay gad…de met sheet

  • Ronald

    Wag kasi OA at KSP, ang luwag luwag sa labas e manggugulo ka sa nagmimisa. Jail time will do you good.

    • kangsongdaeguk

       eh hindi nga daw misa ang nangyayri at the time na “nanggulo” siya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SABI KO SAYO DI KA PATATAWARIN DI DAMASO! JESUITS COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND POLICE PUT YOU IN JAIL MAG DALA KA NA NG BANIG CELDRAN KUMOT SUBUKAN MO MAG REGALO NG MONTERO SA CBCP BISHOPS BAKA PATAWARIN KA PA NILA!! SINASABI KO NA NGA BA BASTA OBISPO SALOT SA PILIPINAS SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • Vertumnus

    Should have been a misdemeanor charges.  The Church holds too much power over the people of the Philippines.

    “directed against religious practice or dogma or ritual for the purpose of ridicule, as mocking or scoffing at or attempting to damage an object of religious veneration.”

    Since when did we venerate a snake of a priest like Damaso? The only mistake Celdran made was interrupting the mass, maybe trespassing.   But then again, that was the only way to get attention and TV exposure over the cause of the RH bill.   There’s room for appeal on this case.  Hopefully Celdran wins.  He doesn’t really need to serve more time in jail.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Yeah, a misdemeanor charge would’ve been more than enough, IMO.

    • diamond_digger

       You raised good points, Vertumnus. During the final deliberations of the RH, those priests and bishops, together with their minions trooped to the august halls of congress in their flaming-red attire – not because it was the fashion of the day – but very obviously also to attract attention just like Celdran doing it during the mass. Isn’t this a clear case of double-standard? These supposedly moral guardians clearly wanted to bake their cake and eat it, too. May they should choke!

    • henri_see

       IT IS a misdemeanor charge.

      The truth is, CELDRAN can apply for probation, and NOT GO TO JAIL.

      But that won’t attract as much ATTENTION as an appeal and crying in jail to the media.

      So who’s ATTENTION-hungry now? Hypocrites!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    NAKALIMUTAN NI CELDRAN MALAKAS ANG OBISPO KAY GOD KAYA JESUITS COME TO YOU AND POLICE PUT YOU IN JAIL!! DI KA PATATAWARIN NI DAMASO!! AT NI SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE!

  • Opinionkolangto

    Mr. Celdran may criticize the priests but should not do it inside a church.  there are other venues for such actions.  Did he think that exercising his freedom of speech during a service is a valid ground to disrespect the attendees’ privacy and time with God?  Shame on you Mr. Celdran.  I may not agree with the Catholic Church meddling in politics and other actions of certain priests but Mr. Celdran’s antic crossed the line of decency.

  • napali808

    What happen to the Freedom of Speech? RELEASE Celdran!! He shouldn’t go to jail for this. If he is guilty for misdemeanor, he should be fined or do community sevice…not a jail term. He is not a criminal; he is a true Filipino.

    • diamond_digger

       Yes! And that brings me to the question of: Which is a greater offense; pedophilia and sexual misconducts or that which Celdran did? The irony becomes greater if we factor the fact that Celdran is paying for his income tax yet those priests and bishops, including their church are not. They seem to be already enjoying the perks of heaven while still on earth!

    • henri_see

      The law is the law.
      The Penal Code is the law.
      The RH Bill is the law.

      You’d do the same if a priest stops condom distribution, which violates the RH Law.

      Stop whining and face it like a man, Celdran!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/XSHWGLY25MTOGUZUIBF5JT5BZI pdred

         The law is the law? The point is that no priest has yet to face court for any crime. Si Celdran, naunahan pa niya ang mga Ampatuan na ma-convict. Does that mean his crime is much greater?

      • henri_see

        No his crime is just easier to prosecute because it’s simpler.
        No priests in jail? Then what are you doing? File cases against them. Maybe there’re no criminal priests. Just black propaganda from haters.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Then jail all the PEDOPHILE priests too.

    • diamond_digger

       That’s right! That should also include that all ivory-smuggling monsignor from Cebu who was even charged in the US of child abuse. These priests and bishops are exploiting our governments leniency on them, but there should always be an end to everything. Let us not just denounce them but let us all take part in exposing and witnessing against these human predators.

    • henri_see

      I’m all for it. But jail Celdran too.

      The fact that you haven’t jailed any pedo priests, maybe there’s none in the Philippines. Just black propaganda from haters.

  • atozet

    Freedom of speech is not totally free. Celdran can voice his opinion at Luneta park but not inside a holy place. Why do think there is such a thing as slander? It also pertains about speech.

  • QQU

    “I am not authorized to give a statement. I might get sanctioned. Please take pity on me,” Cerbo told reporters.

    “Please take pity on me.” What a decrepit dramatic character!  Do we have more of this character in the RP religious hierarchy?

  • pinoy_astig

    lol FREEDOM OF SPEECH daw  i kung ganun bakit marming kinakasuhan ng LIBEL….lol…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3FJHPQ5EVM7JEYPRXGZL2SPT4 Catherine

    Celdran can protest anytime time of the day and anywhere except inside the church while the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass was ongoing. Can he do that inside a Muslim Mosque? I don’t think so. Maybe he thought the Catholic Church will not harm him, and thinking he will become a byword and instant celebrity and that what he got, but he never consider that he hurt the feelings of millions of Catholic faithful who understand their Catholic faith. 

  • fromuniversityofthephilippines

         The leading case
    in “offending religious feelings” is People vs. Jose Baes,1939, but
    even in said case, the justices, the fiscal, the lower courts, were all divided
    on the matter, read more by typing in Google search: CARLOS CELDRAN CASE. BUT
    IN THE LEADING CASE ON THIS, 1939, THE JUSTICES WERE DIVIDED 

    • $20722540

      2013 na po

  • dodong1

    DAMASO’S are clearly in Power in the Philippines..but that should not stop anyone to voice their opinion against the manipulation and brainwashing that they are doing to the Pilipino People…intervening on the RH Bill which they just passed and now want to intervene on the divorce bill that they are planning to submit…how about some of their fellow priests involved on child molestation cases shouldn’t they be in jail also??

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

      ihabla mo kung may ibidinsya ka..tyak kulong yan…

      • henri_see

        Ganyan talaga mag-isip mga yan.
        Pag di nasunod gusto nila, the Church is in power.

        Pag nasunod naman, like the RH Bill, the Church is no longer relevant nor poweful.

        Hayaan mo na lang. Mga retarded kasi mag isip.
         

    • spider69

      ask your self kung bakit dumarami ang sumasapi sa ibang sekta like El Shadai or JIL and the like. kasi nagigising na ang mga Pinoy sa katotohanan. But they still believe, naniniwala sa kapangyarihan ng Diyos Ama.

      • henri_see

        Dumarami rin ang krimen. Pero di ibig sabihin tama ito.

      • dodong1

        agree ako sa sinabi..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO OBISPO SALOT SA PILIPINAS!! SI CELDRAN AY TUNAY NA PILIPINO MABUHAY KA!!

    • $20722540

      magmula nong tinawag kitang satanas palaging mo nayang ginagamit yong word na yan ha!!! so ikaw na ngayon ang hari ng mga satanas

    • speaksoftlylove

      Dalhin mo sa repair shop yang computer mo at sira ang caps lock. O baka kinapitan ng virus ng laway sa kadaldalan mo.

    • diamond_digger

      Those popish priests and bishops must have thought they are greater than former US President Bush who was thrown a shoe by an angry reporter in Baghdad sometime ago. Bush, despite his world stature just downplayed the incident unlike the priests and bishops who, for a much-lesser attack made a great fuzz over it. They must have thought that the Philippines is still under Spain. Another thing, why is it that when these priests and bishops declared their opposition to the RH bill, they even organized rallies and to some extent incite the people to go against the government for its push of the said bill? It may be high time for lawmakers to make a difinite stand on the separation of church and state. The church which has shown its belligerence and contempt against the state from which it enjoys all its perks tax-free should not be allowed to continue its arrogance. It’s high time to call a spade a spade. They should be treated just like ordinary person or entity.

      I call on our lawmakers to really stand for the people they are supposed to serve and not become subservient to these people who threatens politicians not just damnation of their souls but also of their political existence by wielding their supposed moral influence to sway the people’s votes from their perceived enemies. Let us all rise in defense of our freedom for whom our forebears like Rizal, Bonifacio and others have gallantly fought and even laid down their lives for.

  • http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.com/ Political Jaywalker

    Is this the same Catholiban henchman errrr judge who convicted Carlos Celdran for the “crime of Offending Religious Feelings”?

    Congratulations Philippines! We are now officially in the same league and gutter level of the Talibani kind.

    If this is the same guilty judge, what is he still doing presiding court cases when he was found guilty also? Below is the verdict handed down by the SC:

    “ACCORDINGLY, the Court finds respondent Judge Juan O. Bermejo, Jr., of Branch 3 of the Metropolitan trial Court of Manila guilty of delay in the rendition of judgment in violation of Rules 1.02 and 3.05 of the Code of Judicial Conduct for which he is fined the amount of P5,000.00. Respondent Judge is also declared guilty of impropriety in violation of Canon 2 of said Code and is fined the amount of P10,000.00.”

    • $20722540

      bakit hindi siya magprotesta mag-isa sa luneta kong gusto niyang magprotesta…ang isang simbahna ay matahimik na lugar at hindi para magprotesta ang isang tao lamag lalo ay hindi naman siya sumasamba.  gusto mag riot doon and lahat ng gusto protesta tungkol sa pag-taas ng ma=ga bilihin, bamabang suweldo, corruption sa gibierno, etc etc

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

        nasobrahan kc sa right at freedom nya kaya abuso 2loy ung kinalabasan..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      If we are now officially in the same leave and gutter level of the Talibani kind as you assert, why is it that the RH bill became a law!!!  We are too far from the Talibans.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FPVUYCML46QCAJM5N2O4GNID24 tony

    Onli in da pilipins – DOUBLE STANDARD!. priests rape young men and women and not one of them is convicted much less imprisoned. Then here you have Celdran simply stating one undeniable truth about how most of today’s priests are like damaso of the spanish colonial times and whadayano, a judge (judge bejo) sentences him to prison! I hope judge bejo is NOT a UP alum otherwise I spit on him and his family!

    • $20722540

      you are diverting the issue.  the article is about an individual making a fool of himself like a person with a kulang kulang mind doing a protest in front of a congregation who has nothing to do with him and they are inside the church to pray.  he can protest to his heart delight in luneta if you will – no one will care…kulang lang siya sa attention kasi siguro walang trabaho and projects

    • henri_see

       NOT ALL UP alum are as brainwashed and stupid as you, tony! I don’t even think you’re an alum.

  • us_sixtycents

    Looking at the photo, I think his new bf is waiting. It’s going to be a fun summer!

  • $20722540

    buti nga sayo celdran…wala ka na siguro project kaya nagaattract ng attention

    • hustlergalore

      nyak. lumalabas siya sa mga travel shows ng mga banyaga as tourist guide. LOL

  • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

    Normally I will side with the weak but not stupid. In this
    case, Celdran was not both and so Celdran deserves his verdict. The Human Rights
    Watch and Celdran got their concept of human rights in this case mixed up.  An asserted freedom stops being one when the
    very same freedom that’s asserted is used to curtail the freedom of others.
    Celdran was stupid to have asserted his freedom at the wrong place. What is a wrong
    place? The church sanctuary and in the face of the faithful was the wrong place for
    Celdran to have exercised his asserted freedom.  Celdran is sharp enough to realize that he can
    still go to heaven although he has to detour first to the local jailer. Celdran
    won’t be an exception for many had actually made it to heaven after they had
    been chained by men. Celdran will have enough time to talk to himself in
    prison, and hopefully come out a better man. I just wish Celdran could stay longer in
    jail so that I can see him in his cell on my next vacation. It might be a good
    experience sharing a good wine with him with the jail guard as a willing
    butler.

    • catmanjohn

      Too many creeps like you in the Catholic Church, hiding your demented and perverse existence behind the sanctity of religion. You and Ant Dick Adam must have been molested by the same Catholic priest. What a Satanic bunch you are.

      • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

        Another misplaced anger; angry at something they don’t
        know about.

        That’s OK. You must be an old man. Old men are like fine
        wine, a crooner once sang.  As they get
        older, they become crisp and sharper. Are you really sharp, big boy?

      • catmanjohn

        What a queer creep… your name says it all. What is important is that the People throw off the shackles of guilt and repression, which the Catholic Church masterfully cloaks over the People’s ability to see clearly, that the freedom of choice comes with certain responsibility, (unlike the Church who wants everyone to follow obediently), and that unrealistic expectations of false piety creates obstacles in achieving individual progress, especially in one’s ability to get out of poverty.

      • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

        Here comes a street urchin swaying like a raving mad dog.
        You can’t even focus staying on the issue. Is that what they teach you at the
        obedience school? You have gone too far, and the main topic was forgotten. Too
        much ranting won’t help you. Keep your limbs together, and don’t speak like the
        Fuhrer. Don’t embarrass your tribe.

      • catmanjohn

        I have No tribe, nor do I care to have one. My loyalty is to God, Truth (In the name of Jesus our Savior), Mother Earth, and the good in humanity. I have stooped low enough to dignify your comments with a response, but conviction compels me to get the last word in.

      • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

        You appear to be a very proud man. Humility does not appear
        to be one of your virtues. Your irascible temper equates with your sanctimony.
        You need to reassess yourself during your quite time. You’ll make a good duo
        with Celdran as he now can reassess his options well. Why do you have to have
        the last word? Your conviction to be proud is compelling you? Play the judo
        principle you will feel better, big boy!  

      • catmanjohn

        I will always be humble before God’s truth and beauty, but will refuse to exercise false humility, especially to curry acceptance amongst perverted souls like you. 

      • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

        You appear to have a dichotomy of humility.  Your Christian witness is defective; you need to work on it, bright boy! Double-faced humility is not saying your “yes” as yes, and “no”, no. Without humility, you cannot love. You cannot give what you don’t have. I wonder if you truly love your wife, and your neighbor.  Your lack of it shows in your irascible temper. Now let’s go back to the court case of your friend, the friend of Damaso. Celdran thought he was doing right, but he was sincerely wrong. Your embracing of what he did, you made yourself and others a Pharisee which you portends to hate. Who is a better hypocrite then? You and Celdran or the Pharisees? You need to recalculate the temper of your heart. Your mouth races faster than your heartbeat, bright boy! Now, give me your dart.

    • TGM _ERICK

      Touch_ Me _Nuts, Celdran is really a nut. Hehehe!.  He deserves another two months in a ppsychiatric ward.

  • catmanjohn

    Hail to Carlos Celdran, who had the courage and conviction to express the truth, with freedom, however inappropriate the situation may have been, should not warrant a prison sentence. Perhaps community service teaching poor children would be true justice. His actions could not have really hurt anyone, just as name calling is a norm by todays argumentative political standards. Once again the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is exposed as their bishops and cardinals have colluded support for the most corrupt and vile politicians, like Gloria Arroyo. Shame on them. We are with you Carlos.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

      bka hell, d kaya?..igalang din kc ung iba..porke’t may right ka, aabusuhin mo

      • catmanjohn

        Arroyo  a$$ wipes don’t even have the sense to have a clean working toilet in the entire city of Manila, so don’t get too self righteous.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

        haha..nonsense…

      • catmanjohn

        Show me an honest Arroyo supporting politician, and I will show you a clean working toilet in Manila… hahaha

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LWXDMZBYPCZJK7PEQEG5UHEFB4 Ace Grave

        haha..ano nman kinalaman ko kay arroyo mo?sayong sayo na un…hehe..

    • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

      Join Celdran inside his cell. He might need some of your good rubbing. Who knows, you might find your niche in the palmate trade.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    All of us have the right to take a stand in any socio-political issues and freely express them, but we do not have the right to barge into any place at anytime we want and start blurting out our advocacies just because of this freedom of expression.

    Again, let me not be construed wrongly, I am not saying that Celdran’s stand is right or wrong, but he has stepped on the rights of others, by disrupting a religious service in the Church.

    • catmanjohn

      Wrong! If the Catholic church uses its pulpit to espouse their anti RH policies, which is a violation in principles of separation of the Church and State, then their pulpits are fare game to express other political and social Truths that just may be as valid. There was no desecration against God or Christ, but policies that the Church supported that were political in nature.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I’ll give you an analogous situation: if I use my house to be a headquarter of people with the same advocacies that I believe in,  and there I openly promote my opinions and personal beliefs, does that mean that those who are directly opposed to my advocacy can also use my own house to blurt out their contrary opinion?

        If I will be following your reasoning, I would suggest that Celdran should form his own religion, and  use the pulpit of the religion he established to promote his beliefs.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I’ll give you an analogous situation: if I use my house to be a headquarter of people with the same advocacies that I believe in,  and there I openly promote my opinions and personal beliefs, does that mean that those who are directly opposed to my advocacy can also use my own house to blurt out their contrary opinion?
        If I will be following your reasoning, I would suggest that Celdran should form his own religion, and  use the pulpit of the religion he established to promote his beliefs.

  • w33k3nd3r

    CBCP should be careful… their clergy men could be torn into pieces by angry non religious and free minded mobs who are tired of the old archaic ways that the Spanish friars used to suppress us from our freedom,

    I can imagine it now– hypocrite priests beaten down to a pulp one by one. It’s as satisfying as seeing Joffrey, the mad king in the Game of Thrones being slapped again and again.

    I’m so glad I don’t go to Church anymore.

    • isellnuts

       Its not about the priests, its about what Celdran did and unfortunately there is a law that punishes his actions.

    • maximus commentus

      CALLING ALL FELLOW CATHOLICS…. listen to w33k3nd3r, the enlightened one… he’s figured everything out by skipping church and just watching this TV series “The Game of Thrones.”

      Who would’ve known, religion is a waste of time, TV violence is the answer to everything… Thank you oh great w33k3nd3r for teaching us your ways.

      LOL

  • isellnuts

    there is law that penalizes the inappropriate action of Celdran. He must suffer the consequences.

  • hustlergalore

    rh bill proponents are also guilty of “offending religious feelings.”

    LOL

    in fairness, napa-wow talaga ako nung binandera mo ang padre damaso poster sa pagmumukha ng mga bulaang propeta na nakasaya.

  • bogli_anakdami

    WHAT IF celdran gives 10+% tithe to padre dumbasso?… abswelto sya, di ba?

    in flipland, if you’re one of the “LORDS, ie durog/drug lords, jueteng lords, lord traposakals, lordy-lord”, meron kang “pri ispits”…

  • Beguine

    Isn’t forgiveness and possessing a forgiving heart right
    in the heart and centre of our Lord Jesus Christ’s teachings, if not
    of the high and mighty Roman Catholic Church?

    The Pinas Catholic Church should have magnanimously forgiven
    this somewhat humorous “Padre Damaso” trespasser, as 
    a sign that the Catholic Church is forgiving and welcomes 
    criticism and strong views, indeed comical rabid protest, opposed to its dogma 
    and that should have been the end of it.

    Instead we’re now quite likely to see this whole charade
    go all the way to the higher courts and maybe the Supreme
    Court itself. 

    What a farce. Or just another rich (Catholic hierarchy) vs. poor
    (“Padre Damaso” critic) confrontation which should never have
    gone this far and now must go even farther and farther.
    A quaint and ludicrous Guinness book item if ever there was one! 

    • bogli_anakdami

      jchrist abandoned flipland long time ago… flips are pekeng katolikos….

    • TGM _ERICK

      The Church will not meddle in a decision of  the court.  It can express that Celdran is forgiven but cannot change the verdict of the court.  That is where the tired use of the excuse of separation of powers is applicable.

  • hustlergalore

    maaari na bang ihanay si celdran kay rizal on “offending religious feelings?”

    BRAVO!

    mabuti ngayon, kulong lang.

    noon, pinapabaril sa luneta.

    LOL

  • boytz

    Is the lady justice anti or pro RH? If pro RH, hats off to her judgment. If anti RH, could she have peeped behind her blindfold? If she did not, kudos to her.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NIHSGQRLMFSZVA42LTJWDW5VQ4 rosenda

    Subukan mong gawin yan sa mosque at baka napugutan ka kaagad ng ulo.  Walang nagbabawal sa iyo na iboses mo ang opinion mo pero pumili ka ng lugar. Hindi ka lang ang may karapatan, may karapatan din ang mga taong naisturbo mo at nasaktan mo sa ginawa mo.  HIndi porke may  karapatan ka ay lahat pwede mong gawin. Hindi ka lang ang tao sa mundo.

  • joerizal

    Celdran is a fool. He got his 15 minutes of fame and he should pay for it. You don’t enter someone’s backyard to sh*t in it,
    especially in front of the owner. You do it outside and throw your sh*t
    inside.
    What he did was unlawful and unethical and he should man up and do his
    time in prison. There is no defending his actions even if the Church was
    not in its right mind either. 

    • bogli_anakdami

      flips are a bigger fool, believing kaksaker padre dumbasso will deliver them from heaven…

      • henri_see

         If typical anti-Catholic thinking is like yours, then I’d love Catholics forever. Sa pangalan pa lang, skwaking na. hehe

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Once more the Clergy is showing his backwardness to hide a mountain of Damaso crimes,

    Children’s molestation industry, ivory smuggling, envelops, Pajeros collection, Churches icons 

    robbery and uncountable other abuses.

    The Philippines Clergy is a human shame, probably the last Inquisition spirit still existing,

    The World main Priesthood shame

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      We Filipinos  are reasonable people, people with laws and not people of the jungle.  If you have proofs of your allegations, by all means,  the clergy concerned must be held answerable to the law.  I will you support you on that.  But the issue at hand is not about the Damaso crimes (let me borrow your expression), but the rightness or wrongness, the legality or illegality of disrupting a religious service regardless of whether it is Catholic, Christian, Protestant, Iglesia ni Cristo, Christian fellowship groups or Moslems.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        “reasonable peoples” really ? 

        It’s the first time I am Hearing such a comment about the Philippines.

        May it is an allusion to Duterte or Thomas Osmena Death Squad, 
        or Palparan, or Marantan killing, or Durano’s mass murders, or Consunji mass murders, or about the 120 private Armies, or about Dynamite Fishing, or about illegal logging, or about election time killing, or about election time kidnaping and hold up, or about Corona, or about the Fake President supported by the Clergy, number one Journalists killings, or about the records of children’s death before 5 yrs.

        Philippines is among the best corrupt and jungle law, a trigger happy country !

        Dis you ever hear about PNP and AFP records ?

    • maximus commentus

      Alexander, your allegations are all wrong just like your grammar. If you don’t like the Catholic Church, then just shut up and be happy with your own religion. Mind your own business and respect beliefs other than yours.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        MAXIMUS COITUS 

        HERRARE HUMANUM EST PERSEVARE DIABOLICUM

        HUMANUM SAPIENS NON URINAT CONTRA VENTUM

        Who are you trying to fool, XVI century man, Inquisition is gone since long time.

        WADE RETRO SATANAS

        Only da Philippines

  • $8278216

    Pabor ako na mabigyan ng naaayong kaparusahan si g. Celdran ,nararapat lamang na lumabas ang kagaya nya upang ipamalita ang pakiki-alam ng mga INDIYONG PARE na pabor sa mga maling pamamalakad na ipinamana sa kanila ng mga DAMASOng Katsila(sa Ilonggo)ipa-alam din sa buong masang pilipino kung ano ang ginawa ng mga DAMASO sa tuwing mangumpisal ang mga indiyo(pinoy) na sila ay isang insuriktos at sila mismo ang magkakanulo sa guwardya sibil, sila ang mga tunay na TUTA ng mga ito magpahanggang sa ngayon kagaya ng pakiki alam nila sa pag papatakbo ng gobyerno,. Isa ito sa mga dahilan kung baket humiwalay si PADRE FRANCISCO AGLIPAY SA KATOLICO at magtayo ng sarili nya AT tinawag sa ngayon na PHILIPPINE INDENPENDENT CHURCH O AGLIPAY SA TAGALOG. Para sa aking pananaw wala na silang kasagraduhan, baket hinde nila punahin ang kanilang mga kamalian na ginagawa sa panahon ngayon, ginagamit nila ang relihiyon upang magtayo ng eksklosibong eskwilahan na mayayaman lamang ang nakaka pag aral, hinde kayo para sa karamihan bagkos isa kayong sindikato na nagtatago sa balat ng isang tupa upang GAMITIN ang mga taong buong pusong nanampalataya sa DIYOS, walang malasakit sa kinabukasan ng mamayan ang karamihan sa alagad ng diyos kung tawagin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

    The church and the state collaborating to oppress the people.  Where have I read this before?
    Unfortunate, Celdran, in the eyes of the law, he did something wrong.  

    Going to jail will actually do wonders for his cause.  

  • chemist45

    To the Human Rights Watch: sa labas ng simbahan, pwede kang mag reklamo to the top of your voice but not inside a solemn mass celebration. Di ba may rights naman ang nasa loob?

  • txtman

    >>>>>>>>>> STUPID PEOPLE READ THIS <<<<<<<<<<<<<

    ARTICLE 3, SECTION 4 OF THE PH CONSTITUTION
    FREEDOM OF SPEECH

    # UNPROTECTED SPEECH

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT.

    NOT ALL SPEECH IS CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED.

    SPEECH THAT INCITES LAWLESS CONDUCT, SO-CALLED FIGHTING WORDS
          (WORDS THAT PROVOKE PHYSICAL RETALIATION)

    LIBELOUS OR DEFAMATORY SPEECH

    AND OBSCENITY CAN LEGITIMATELY BE PROHIBITED OR PUNISHED BY
            THE GOVERNMENT..
    .
    .

    THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY ACT OF 1985

    YOU NEED A PERMIT

    AND YOU CAN GO TO A DESIGNATED FREEDOM PARK

    AT KAILAN NAMAN NAGING BASTOSAN PORTION ANG MISA, ABER?
    .
    .
    .
    EXCUSE ME

    NAGMUKHA SIYANG ISANG SISA SI CELDRAN
    .
    .

    ONLY A VERY STUPID PERSON WILL BELIEVED CELDRAN

    SAD TO SAY

    THE PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER IS ONE OF THEM

    DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?

    PWEEEEEE!

    PITIFUL

    • lucidlynx

      Excuse me! Freedom of speech is absolute. If there are laws that contradict this, freedom of speech is still supreme. The only law that has teeth over freedom of speech is libel and for that you have to prove in court that what is being said is false.

      • pangilenio

        YOU ARE EXCUSED LUCRING.

      • txtman

        ABSOLUTE?

        IN YOUR DREAMS!

        HINDI KA ATA MARUNONG MAGBASA?
        READ MY ABOVE COMMENTS AGAIN

        EVEN A MORON CAN UNDERSTAND THAT
        .
        .
         SPEAKING OF COURT DECISION

        HINDI BA SINABI NG COURT NA MAY SALA SIYA?

        NOW, THE ATHEISTS WANTS TO BE COME THE COURT?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        .
        .
        .
         MAGBASA KA

        PARA HINDI KA TATANGA-TANGA HA

        NAKAKAHIYA YAN

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        PITIFUL

      • abner

         absolute mo ang pwet mo…tulad ni celdran na pinupunasan na ng petroleum gelly..lol….

  • wehd1nga

    “RESPECT” Carlos respect, kung hindi ka tinuruan ng nanay mo sa oblo tuturuan ka ng mga preso na mag respeto sa kapwa mo, magbaon ka na rin ng marami bote ng petroleum jelly para di mahirapan nagasgas ang pwet mo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

    Sana ginawa nya yan sa ibang sambahan halimbawa sa loob mg mosque, habang nagdadasal mga kapatid natin. ewan kolang kung makalabas..i wish nandoon ako ng ginawa nya yun para deritso na kumpisal sa magagawa ko sa mokong na Celdran na ito…

    • bogli_anakdami

      are muklos involved in rh thingy???

  • boy_pogi

    I dare Carlos Celdran try to to do what he did inside of a catholic church inside of a moslem mosque. Let us see kung hanggang saan ang kanyang freedom of expression..

    • bogli_anakdami

      are muklos involve in rh thingy?…

    • lucidlynx

      You’re just saying Catholicism is the same as Islam. I thought catholics are more tolerant.

      • txtman

        ANG TANGA-TANGA TALAGA

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        PITIFUL

  • bogli_anakdami

    celdran is guilty as charge – ipako sa krus yan…

    crucifixtion will take place sa biyernes santo..

    the place of crucifixtion is to be determined…ringside tickets will be on sale in kaksaker padre dumbasso’s confessionals… pay per view is avail upon request – globe, bayantel…

    for planning purposes, mga sponsor, we’ll have preyer oooopsie prayer breakfast dito sa shang-ri la, makati…

    • lucidlynx

      You live in the olden times.

      • bogli_anakdami

        flipland is stuck in the medieval age… flips still live under that era… 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2UQGGNN35EUOBNX4N5OBIBDUM Kromuel

    So can we bardge in to Mosques and do the same, because we believe we are right and they are not?, Well why I haven’t heard any ‘free willed’ person do that as of late? Bravery due to tolerance?

    • bogli_anakdami

      are the muklos involve in rh thingy?…

      muklos have harem… they do not give a sh!t about how many palamunins/pulubis they produce…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2UQGGNN35EUOBNX4N5OBIBDUM Kromuel

        I am pro Rh bill, it is not the issue here. It only shows your level of understanding.

      • bogli_anakdami

        flip gunggongs bring the mosque vs rc church into the conversation… 

        do you understand that?

    • lucidlynx

      So are you liking Catholicism now to Islam? Might as well be without if they are just the same.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2UQGGNN35EUOBNX4N5OBIBDUM Kromuel

        I am liking respect to all religions in their places of worship.

      • bogli_anakdami

        celdran was in the rc church because kaksaker padre dumbasso’s involvement in the rh bill..

        it’s not about places of worship… gets mo na?

  • lucidlynx

    So should we ban Noli Me Tangere now? More than a hundred years after Rizal, we haven’t learned our lesson and still get fooled by the Catholic church if they don’t like what we say.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2UQGGNN35EUOBNX4N5OBIBDUM Kromuel

      Not necessary, nobody wants to read it unless forced by the collegiate professors.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      The issue at hand is not what Celdran said, but the problem was, he did in the wrong place and time. Gets mo!

  • piggywig70

    Celdran violated sacred ground. Why doesn’t he hold a sign that says “Terrorist” and disrupt prayers at a mosque? Let’s see if he is so bold and brave as he claims to be. His defenders–those who have been alienated by the Catholic Church because the church hasn’t kowtowed to their wishes, like divorce and same sex marriage, forget that Celdran entered a place of worship. They say it is public domain. It isn’t. It is the House of God. Christ cast out the gamblers and merchants from the temple. While He took on the pharisees in the temple, He wasn’t a mere tour guide or performance artist, He was God. Celdran should sashay along Ayala Ave, in his costume and spout invectives for all we care. He would come across more like Sisa than any friar in the Rizal novels.

  • maximus commentus

    Disturbing religious services is a crime even in non-religious USA… even in sin state Nevada – there’s a law against this – NRS 201.270. It’s up to 6 months in jail and $1000 fine.

    It is in the same lines as disturbing the peace in a public place.

    That guy’s a joke and just wants attention. In my opinion, he should be put in jail for the maximum term to deter copycats.

    • henri_see

       To think na he can APPLY FOR PROBATION and AVOID JAIL TIME.

      But that won’t BE AS DRAMATIC as filing an appeal and CRYING IN JAIL if he loses would it?

      The guy is MEDIA-HUNGRY and some commenters here are brainwashed by him. Pity.

  • lucidlynx

    Karamihan ng kumento dito mga maka-lumang pananaw, hindi progresibo, at hindi malayang kaisipan ng isang indibidwal. Kaya hindi aasenso ang Pilipinas kahit anong gawin ni Pnoy. Ang mga tao ay madaling lokohin ng simbahan man o mga politiko o gobiyerno.

    I don’t think the Philippines will progress in the next 10, 20 years. It will take much longer.

    Isama na rin ang media at press sa mga manloloko.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2UQGGNN35EUOBNX4N5OBIBDUM Kromuel

      Erap won as president and without Cory MAgic could have won again, what more evidence do you need.

  • maximus commentus

    That guy thinks it’s still the 1800s. Wake Up Dude. There are no more Spanish priests in the Philippines discriminating against Filipinos. Rizal would have been happy with the Catholic Church of today.

    I think he just wants to wear costumes. He actually looks more like Damaso than Rizal.

  • catmanjohn

    As long as the Catholic Church uses it pulpits to espouse and further their political and social agenda, such as their anti RH Bill, then these same pulpits should no longer be protected under the sanctity of ‘religion’, where it should be fare game to the expression of other political and social Truths.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      I’ll give you an analogous situation: if I use my house to be a headquarter of people with the same advocacies that I believe in,  and there I openly promote my opinions and personal beliefs, does that mean that those who are directly opposed to my advocacy can also use my own house to blurt out their contrary opinion?
      If I will be following your reasoning, I would suggest that Celdran should form his own religion, and  use the pulpit of the religion he established to promote his beliefs.

      • maximus commentus

        well said Mat. Catmanjohn makes no sense.

      • Verchez

         What if one of your brethren example your son voiced out his different opinion in one of your gathering (dinner as an example). Also let us assume that you as the leader of that house claimed that you are a follower of Christ (his teachings). Will you sue your son ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Siguradong papatawarin ko kasi anak ko e… pero sa kasong eto.. unang una hindi naman ako ang nagsampa ng kaso. Pangalawa ang pinag uusapan dito ay legality o illegality ng ginawa ni Celdran at hindi yung pagpapatawad.  Kung ako lang papatawarin ko sya.  at saka pwede naman na patawarin kahit nakakulong e

  • eirons1043

    The decision is LEGAL (there is that word again) like the disbursements of MOOE by Juanito Furuganan and his Chief of Staff na me asim pa.  It is also legal for the church(including Ateneo, La Salle, Assumption, St. Paul, UST etc.) not to pay taxes.  It is also legal for Damasos to tsupa little boys basta walang papalag and also it is also legal for the Damasos to buntis women basta sikereto. It is als legal to accept SUVs as requested gifts. It is also legal to say “everybody cheats in the election anyway in the Hello Garci episode” and it is also legal to have a marathon waltz with the conjugal dictatorship and stopped only when Ninoy was murdered. Anyway it is also LEGAL for Carlos to appeal and if the tradition of longevity is followed it will be decided by the SC by year 2032 or longer. But I maybe wrong coz the criminal case of Celdran was decided in only about a year and it is a very fast one. The judge should be investigated as I am sure there are thousand of cases in his sala that are more than 10 years old but no decision. Paging the Ombudsman.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      The issue at hand is the rightness or wrongness of disrupting a religious service, whether it is Catholic, Christian, Moslem, Protestant religious service!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

    maximus commentus…..your  post  is sorta like  coitus interruptus.  You don’t
    get  it.  Mr.  Celdran  is doing  a  parody and  a satirical  comment  and
    expression  against  the Catholic  Church’s  hypocrisy.

    True, there’s hardly any  Spanish  friars  abusing  the  Pinoys  but  it’s worse
    now  because we have the brainwashed Pinoy  Damasos  who  are  doing    
    the abusing  and suppressing  liberties  and  freedom  of expressiion. 

    These  Pinoy  Damasos  are  still  living  in the dark  ages.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      the issue here is not the freedom of expression, but propriety.  Celdran dit it in the wrong place and time.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

        On the contrary,  Mr. Celdran  did it  in the right place  and the right time.
        Propriety ?  Try  more than  3 centuries  of ”  propriety ”  and
        hypocrisy  of  the  Damasos in the  Catholic Church.

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      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        weee kaya tingnan mo makukulong siya heheheh

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

      Reply to Mat corrected below.

  • ARIKUTIK

    How would it be if the act was done inside a mosque. Lucky for him that Christians offers the other cheek to be slapped one more time. How it would be if one enters a house then called the grand father DOM (Dirty old man). Can he be allowed to claim “freedom of speech” inside another mans house?. The grand children themselves will not call grandfather DOM how much more is a stranger inside a house. Let the law of men decide for the law of faithfuls is forgiveness.

  • kismaytami

    church “should stop getting involved” in politics. Super agree!

    Perwisyo rin itong mga relihiyon na ito sa, yung simbahan ni damaso dito sa amin, alas 4:00 pa lang nang umaga, kumakalembang na ang mga bells, pag-dating ng 5:00 AM, yung megaphone naman sa mosque, at tuwing weekend naman yung mga burn again at pentecost, rakrakan mula bukang liwayway hanggang hatinggabi. Wala silang pakialam kung natutulog pa yung mga kapitbahay nila, basta nagagawa nila yung gusto nila! I’m not a fan of iglesia ni cristo, pero mukhang sila lang ang disiplinado pagdating sa arkitektura ng mga bahay sambahan.

  • gusm

    It is only in this country where a person can go to jail for telling the truth.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Celdran goes to jail, not because he told the truth, but because he did it in the wrong place and time!

      • AlexanderAmproz

        He is a funny Artist 

      • Verchez

         Yes granted that Carlos has done wrong but i firmly believe that if
        indeed these bishops/priests were true follower of Christ then they may
        talk to Carlos in a polite and loving way. They should show the
        upper-hand in dealing this kind of issue.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Siguro kung ako ang obispo, pinatawad ko na lang… pero ang issue kasi ay ang legality o illegality ng ginawa ni Celdran e.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    I love Celdran, 

    every single Pinoy who has balls should do the same to show how happy they are to put an end to the Damaso kingdom, 450 years of abuses is more than enough !

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Have you done it?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        I am not a Sacristy surut

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Hahahahah I cannot comprehend your metaphorical language (Sacristy Surut).  But what I mean by my comment is:  since you are calling all Pinoys who have the balls to do the same, do you have the balls to do it?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        The Vatican is the HIDDEN Pedophiliac and Homo WORLD CENTER.

        The Philippines Clergy, thanks to be culturally untouchable by a

        colonial tradition moral smelly values are doing it openly !

  • ARIKUTIK

    The act of Celdran demonstrate the true nature of Rizal. Yet Rizal was enforced to be the national hero of hoodwink Filipinos. Let Celdran roam free. All Christian stand firm in your belief in offering the other cheek to be slapped. Jesus will justify us all. No Christian shall bring Celdran to court. Christian faith will remain with us.

  • just_anotherperson

    Bagay kay Celdran ang nasa likod ng rehas.

    Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    I believe in your cause Celdran, but you really did something in bad taste. It was like spitting on the face of your mother. Never mind if she is wrong….never do that.

    To attack the teachings of a church is not bad per se. But choose the place, the time, and your audience. How can you convince people to your side? You are driving out and attacking the very people that you want to save.

  • Teresita Sy

    THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR JUDGING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM. IT IS VERY OFFENSIVE!  JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE CATHOLICS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      I challenge you to file charge against the Catholic priests, who according to you, have offended you. 

    • ARIKUTIK

      Can a priest judge you if you do not believe on his words ? Does a priest has power to condemn you on earth, if you do not believe on him? The priest will not come near you, unless you seek his blessings. Who is judging now, the priest or you? If do not need the preaching of priest then the priest and all faithful Christian don’t want you. Do what you believe and let others do what they believe. Why you come come into our house !  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        i guess mr. arikutik that you don’t get her point.. let me say for example, those times that RH bill was very top issue? hehe..  tell me then if those legislators favoring rh bill was not judged by the priests :)

      • ARIKUTIK

        Tell me first if it is right or wrong to shake hands with a friend ? Have you heard anyone cursing a friend ? If one welcomes a friend into his house, is that judgemental ? Only politicians sleeps with the enemy for in politics there is no such thing as friend. Only PDAF is on their heart. But priest has no any means to reward PDAF, all the priest can offer is sincere “Thank you”. Now then does acknowledgement can be deemed judgement ? Everybody say’s thank you for your help. With that till tommorrow will correspond again because its time for > Hit the bed naaaaaaa…….. byeeeeeeee >>>>>>>>>> ???

    • xrisp

      Tama ba kapatid na sa loob siya ng simbahan gumawa ng protesta niya? Ano kaya ang mararamdaman ng ibang kapatid natin sa ibang relihiyon kung sa loob ng sambahan nila ang ginawa ni kapatid na Celdran? Ang kalayaan natin ay may kaaibat na responsibilidad kaya hindi natin basta sabihin na dapat malaya tayo kahit anong oras o saan man makapagpahayag ng  ating kahit anong saloobin. Ikaw kaya kapatid, gagawin mo ba ang ginawa ni Celdran sa loob ng simbahang Katoliko. Sa tingin ko’y hindi mo kayang gawin pero sa ibang lugar maaari pa.

  • padrefaura

    yes, celdran has the constitutional right to freedom of expression. but the bishops and priests in the mass has also the right to freedom of peaceful assembly. 

    celdran, in exercising his right to freedom of expression, violated the bishops and priests’ right to freedom of peaceful assembly. so tama lang yung conviction sa kanya. 

    celdran should have done his exercising of his freedom of expression somewhere else. if he wants his rights respected, he too, should respect the rights of others.

    • Verchez

      Yes granted that Carlos has done wrong but i firmly believe that if indeed these bishops/priests were true follower of Christ then they may talk to Carlos in a polite and loving way. They should show the upper-hand in dealing this kind of issue.

  • padrefaura

    pasalamat ka lang celdran at yan lang inabot mo. isipin mo lang kung nag ala-damaso ka sa isang mosque. baka hindi ka na umabot sa korte ng buhay. instant death penalty ang hatol sa iyo.

  • Adrian Espiritu

    Freedom of speech? What a load of crapola. Kelan pa naging freedom of speech ang pambabastos sa isang sagradong okasyon?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      Awesome.. The catholic priests got a taste of their own medicine. It was them who advocated freedom of speech way back Edsa1. They had their moments of Kabastusan and showing no respect to the leaders of this country such as walking out in important political meetings in the senate and the hor’s and yung mga pagsigaw sigaw nila sa senado habang may ongoing talks. Kung bastos si Celdran mas bastos ang mga Damaso. I do respect The Catholics as a whole pero in the end naman dapat nasusunod ang batas. The church does not have the right to medle with the state.. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

        Freedom of speech is not absolute. Freedom should not and may not curtail the freedom of another individual. Such as the freedom of the private chuch goer to privacy, freedom to have peace time for their prayer time.Which Celdran violated. Celdran has the freedom to speak against the Church yeah, but should’ve done so outside the church building and not barge inside a gathering where a ceremony is currently being held.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        You said, the catholic priests got a taste of their own medicine.  May I just ask the question:  when did these Catholic priests barge into and disrupte a religious service just to promote their advocacy, while invoking their freedom of expression?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        haha that question makes me laugh! the answer is too many times, it was too often specially the time when RH law was only a bill..  

  • winedix

    Sorry na lang si Celdran … may gusto man siyang sabihin, mali ang lugar at oras … kaya nasabi man niya ang mensahe, kailangan niya pa rin panagutan ang pagkakamali … hindi naman mali ang magsalita, mali lang ang napili niyang lugar kaya nabigyan niya ng rason para magreklamo ang simbahan … 

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Once a while its nice to see the professional abusers been abused.

    Carlos Celdran did an Artistic performance, congratulations.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

    Ano rin kaya ang gagawin ni Celdran kung may outsider na magsisigaw-sigawan sa loob mismo ng kayang bahay na, “Ipako sa krus ang mga bading!!”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      Awesome.. The catholic priests got a taste of their own medicine. It was them who advocated freedom of speech way back Edsa1. They had their moments of Kabastusan and showing no respect to the leaders of this country such as walking out in important political meetings in the senate and the hor’s and yung mga pagsigaw sigaw nila sa senado habang may ongoing talks. Kung bastos si Celdran mas bastos ang mga Damaso. I do respect The Catholics as a whole pero in the end naman dapat nasusunod ang batas. The church does not have the right to medle with the state.. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

        Freedom of speech is not absolute. Freedom should not and may not curtail the freedom of another individual. Such as the freedom of the private chuch goer to privacy, freedom to have peace time for their prayer time.Which Celdran violated. Celdran has the freedom to speak against the Church yeah, but should’ve done so outside the church building and not barge inside a gathering where a ceremony is currently being held.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W7TPARCYJFCSA3PBQAM3MVZO3E kurakut

        Agree there TF. But who wants to fight the catholic church with a catholic judge that hears the case. Just asking.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I believe that  even if Celdran did it inside the INC Church, or Moslem mosque, and he was brought to court, he would still be convicted, because a law was violated, regardless of the religion of the judge.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        un nga eh, batas na.. may batas ba na nagsasabing pedeng makihalo ang simbahan sa politika? they shoul’ve learned their lesson, someone do the right thing for them to realize it!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Kung mayron mang nalabag ang simbahan na batas sa pakikihalo nila sa politika, e di sana kasuhan na.  No one is above the law.  Suportado kita dyan.  Tama ang ginawa ni Celdran sa pagpapahayag  ng kanayang kaisipan at at sa kanyang pakikibaka, pero ginawa nya sa maling lugar at oras.  Alalahanin mo, hindi lang naman mga obispo at pari ang naanduon. Mayrong mga ordinaryong tao ang na ang duon para mgadasal.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        san mo gustong gawin nya un? sa gitna ng palayan na mga ibon lng ang makakarinig? haha..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Dun sa labas ng simbahan

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        teka liligo nko may pasok pa, haha..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        kaya nga makukulong si Celdran dahil nasunod ang batas.. heheheh

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Edsa, Senate and HOR are public places. By your saying, “The church does not have the right to medle with the state”.. , Remember that every Filipino is a citizen and his religion. Two sides of a coin.

  • Pedro_Gil

    This entity lacks intelligence, understanding, reason, wit, or sense.  It has shown high disrespect to the Catholic institution. He should be subjected to flagellation, hard work and incarceration for at least a year.  Let the catholics give him the judgement he deserves.  May the demons be with him.  He just wants to be popular so be it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      he just wants to be popular? haha i guess you never felt before the feeling of fighting something?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I commend his bravery for fighting for his beliefs, but should he not respect the others’ right to peacefully perform  religious services in their own churches?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        you still don’t get it Mat, he has a caused for fighting, the question MUST BE, “why he did that?” and that’s the manner you ask, because typically your question was very biased with just a one way answer.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I do understand you perfectly well.  That’s why I commend Celdran’s  bravery in fighting for his advocacy, but  does disrupting a religious  service at any time and at any place become right, just because the advocacy he is fighting for is right?  In few words, he should fight for his right advocacy in the right way.  Remember, there were also ordinary people present there. Hindi lang po mga pari at obispo.  At least kung di man nya kaya ng irespeto mga pari at obispo, sana naman, kahit yung mga ordinaryong tang nandun na lang ang inirespeto!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

        haha at first place i never said that what he did is right..  it was absolutely wrong, BUT i just want everyone know the reason why he did that..  and those people you said na andun sa misa n un, same thing sa iba na malalaman kung bkt nya b nagawa un will go to a wide understanding :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        at least you acknowledge now that what Celdran did was absolutely wrong (borrowing your own words)!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Easy. The answer to your question will refer to his sanity.

      • ARIKUTIK

        The most beneficial verdict for the Catholics is to declare Celdran innocent. I wish the SC of Penoy will do that. Calling all Faithful Catholics, Forgive Celdran for it is what our belief stand. Let the court of Penoy do their song. Let Penoy wallow in his own pervert ways….. Condoms in the face of Jesus …. Celdran disturbing a holy mass. This is pervert ways because the leader of this country is pervert. The curse of an Abnoy is for all to see. None of these happens before untill an Abnoy appears on the helm.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y5XMTB57Y7OB6L5LPZU7DJLDRE Purok

      You have shown high respect to me through your statements against Carlos. You have offended my religious feelings and you must go to jail! Bwahaha!

  • watsupdoc

    The INQUISITION is alive and kicking in the 21st century.  Bigotry of the Catholic Church is in 3-D.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

      bigotry mo mukha mo.

  • brunogiordano

    “The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech – the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy,” BARACK OBAMA

  • josesantos318

    It is the position of the church that the present day Filipinos are now fairer compared to the Filipinos during the time of Magellan. This is because of the introduction of the Spanish genes into the natives, and padre damaso was fully responsible for that. We are winning international beauty titles and the beauty of the Filipinos is a testament to that. If that is the will of God, who are we mortals to question that. God commanded, go into the world and multiply, and damaso did just that. But it is not the fault of damaso that he sired many children, it is the fault of the natives by roaming around only in loincloth
    But what is the difference between the friars during the damask days and the clergy of today:
    1. The church was the power behind the throne before, today they still think they are still the
    power
    2. Before you will be excommunicated if you go against the church, today the church still
    threatens with excommunication, although the faithful don’t believe in it
    3. The damaso’s molested children, today this is still happening
    4. Before the friars were not in favor of birth control, and we’re responsible for siring a lot of
    children, today they are still anti birth control, but now goes towards molestation of young
    boys who don’t get pregnant.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O6T7FESQFYUHWZO4ME6NLXZNJA Linu p

    KSP lng yang gagong yan….narrapat lang sa kanya yan kulang pa nga yan eh…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y5XMTB57Y7OB6L5LPZU7DJLDRE Purok

      Ikaw dapat ang makulong dun, dapat hindi lang sa City Jail kundi sa Maximum Security Area ng Bilibid. Mabulok ka! Bwahaha! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    Freedom is not absolute, otherwise there would be choas in this country, otherwise anyone can just barge into every home or building (including your own home, reader) and shout invectives against the people (you) inside their houses. Just like what Celdran did.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      also like priests walking out in a special political meetings with some shouting there :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

        Okay so will you allow someone you don’t know to just get inside your house and voice out his dissenting opinion to yours while your having a peaceful lunch with your family for example ? If that’s the freedom you want then I guess….that’s not freedom that’s creating choas

        Don’t get me wrong Richard. I’m not necessarily against RH, for all you know I’m Pro as well, but what I’m against is the way Celdran barged inside that church. Any religion andnot just the Catholic church would’nt want that happening while a supposed “holy ceremony” for them is being held. Celdran should learn to choose where to lodge his battles

    • ARIKUTIK

      Let Celdran be declared innocent. It is for the best interest of this nation. Freedom is what we stand …….. yeheyyyyyyy….. boom …tara….tarat……. >>>>>>>

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    Celdran s an instant celebrity at the expense of our Church. Anyway, since Celdran is going to appeal this decision and become more popular, either this decision will be sustained or be over ruled. Offending religious feelings??? Thru RH law, Pnoy and our senators and congressmen are much more guilty than Celdran!!!! Therefore if the decision over Celdran is sustained by the higher courts, the Supreme Court should rule against the RH law. If it is not sustained, laws like RH that offend religious feelings may be passed in our country without regard for the religion of others may they be Catholics or Moslems. Somewhere it will come to a head!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      haha exactly!

  • lapasan

    Celdran deserves that punishment. The sentence is even I think too light. Although we have freedom of expression, we should always put in mind that there is a corresponding responsibility that goes with it. Disrupting a church service to show his protest to the church is very disrespectful and offensive. He is lucky that what he picked on is the Catholic Church. What could have happened to this person if he did similar act to other religious denominations? Although I agree that the Catholic Church or other religious group should not involve itself in partisan politics, it is appropriate for them to voice out against government policies that have moral and spiritual dimensions with them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      para mu na ding sinabe na kapag ung church ang nag voice out ok lng? lol

  • KappaPhiPhi

    cc should just renounce his faith. if he did that in a mosque, the muslims will not hesitate to kill him to defend their faith.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      if he would have been fined for trespassing and sent home

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2TNBQ64JJ4JNS5MU4CATRNZFA carlo m

       tama ka brod!

  • catalansbarce

    You can exercise your rights without hurting the rights of other…,iyan ay isa sa mga pillar
    sa ating constitution. Sa ginawa ni Celdran…, may nasasaktan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      sa ginawa ni celdran, madami ding humanga.

      • silvershade

        Ikaw siguro humanga, not me!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

        Magalmusal ka na Abando. Gutom Lang yan. Di ka ba pinapakain ng husto at baluktot ang pagiisip mo.

      • xrisp

        Paumanhin kapatid ngunit di ako sumasangayon sa ganoong gawa ng kapatid na Carlos. Propriety siguro ang isang salita na dapat din nating bigyang halaga sa ating buhay.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    “The positive declaration of the witnesses for the prosecution and the
    circumstances surrounding the incident are sufficient to satisfy the
    quantum of evidence needed for a criminal conviction,” the court
    decision said. 

    I think this judge should go back to basics. He based his decision on what? the “positive declaration” of witnesses? What the heck!

    “An act is considered offensive to a religion when it is “directed
    against religious practice or dogma or ritual for the purpose of
    ridicule, as mocking or scoffing at or attempting to damage an object of
    religious veneration.”

    I guess Mr. Celdran did not damaged anything but the pride of these present-day Damasos. Anyway, just carry-on Mr. Celdran and you might one day become a senator yet by your stance against these Damasos in our society!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2TNBQ64JJ4JNS5MU4CATRNZFA carlo m

    you can always question the Church, walang problema tayo diyan, pero gawin mo sa tamang paraan, kabastusan po ang ginawa niyo Mang Celdran.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1780807691 Richard Abando

      how about priests who walked out in a special political meetings? and as far i know, they also exercise their right to shout there? lol :D

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        e kung may nalabag silang batas sa pag walk out sa political meetings at sa pag sigaw nila dun e di kasuhan din yang mga paring yan… pero ang Damaso episode ni Celdran ay naganap sa isang religious service at duon may mga taong may karapatang malaya at taimtim na mag magdasal.  WE can’t just go anywhere fighting for our rights and advocacies, while stepping on the rights of others.

      • henri_see

         ganyan sila talaga mag isip, yang mga galit sa Katoliko. hayaan mo na lang. mga isip bata kasi.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

        If indeed some priests did that. Then why stoop down to their level ? Nagpakababa na nga ang ibang Pari, gagayahin mo pa ? Wala tayong pinagkaiba sa mga pasaway na pari na iyan kung ganon di ba ? Kung mali ang mga pari, ituro natin ang tamang daan sa kanila if it needs to be that way so be it. Hindi iyong gagayahin din natin ang mga kawalanghiyaan nila di ba ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A5CN52KKTWUHFZJZCWGMAIGZJM Gandalf

        Akala ko ba mga pari ang nagtuturo niyan? Bakit kapag ganito, tayo na ang magtuturo sa mga pari?

  • Paulstronghold

    True Christianity must have a forgiving spirit. God said don’t take revenge yourself, vengeance is mine He said. If the motive of this so-called Damaso is to inflict pain by letting Celdran languish in jail because they can’t withstand the zealousness of this poor little soul criticizing them openly on their stand on RH issue, then our national hero’s opus -Noli me Tangere ( Touch me Not) is very much alive today . These same Damaso were the same people who executed Jose Rizal in Luneta because they can’t withstand criticism. Their overly dogmatic posturing is a reflection on their losing crusade on issues beyond their rational thinking.

    • wakats

      The trial court said celdran violated Sec. 133 of the Revised Penal Code…

  • silvershade

    in your example, the priest is part of the special political meeting. sa ginawa ni celdran, he is not part of the mass.  imagine kumakain kayo magpamilya and celdran wil barge into your house para manggulo, what will you do?

  • $42337655

    while we are all exercising our freedom of speech, this guy Celdran is on his way to easy-money, big-money for very little effort. We are giving him the attention and political mileage he wants.
    Just look at Google “Images”- he is all over the page ! and he even has a Wikipedia account already. He has done his homework. Smart fellow.
    Before we all know it, he is another politician, laughing all the way to the bank; thanks to all of our bickering.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

    E ang mga pari lumalabag sa mga separation of the Church and the State. Nakikialam lagi sila sa estado. Ang mga opisyales ba ng gobiyerno nakikialam ba simbahan? Wala kasing kinakasuhan dahil tayong mga Filipino ayaw nating makitang makulong ang pari.

    • bgcorg

      Ganuon ba? Wala ka bang nakitang mali duon sa ginawa ni Celdran?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Just a question to ponder upon:
      Does a Filipino lose his right to express his opinion, to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, to organize legal rallies, etc. just because he became a priest, or bishop?
      The obvious answer is NO, because the separation of Church and State does not deprive any Filipino  his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest or a bishop.  Remember Panlilio, a priest who ran for governor of Pampanga.   There was no Constitutional provision that deprived him of his right to run for public office  even if he is a priest!
      WHAT ACTION OF THE PRESENT CHURCH  VIOLATES THIS SO-CALLED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?
      Before making any response to this question, make sure that you review the jurisprudence of the Separation of Church and State, lest ignorance cloud our objective judgement of the matter at hand!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

         Ginagamit nila ang pulpito to denounce government actions on many issues. Celdran used the Church to air is grievance. What’s wrong with that?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I’ll give you an analogous situation: if I use my house to be a headquarter of people with the same advocacies that I believe in,  and there I openly promote my opinions and personal beliefs, does that mean that those who are directly opposed to my advocacy can also use my own house to blurt out their contrary opinion?
        If I will be following your reasoning, I would suggest that Celdran should form his own religion, and  use the pulpit of the religion he established to promote his advocacies!

  • josefe38

    TAMA AT MAY KARAPATAN NA MAGPAHAYAN ANG PASIKAT NA CELDRAN KASO SA MALING LUGAR NYA GINAWA KAYA BUTI NGA SA KANYA NA PARUSAHAN.

    KASO YUN MGA GANYANG PAG E ENARTE ANG GUSTO NG MGA LOKO-LOKONG PINOY KAGAYA SA GINAWA NI TRILLANES.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/A5CN52KKTWUHFZJZCWGMAIGZJM Gandalf

      Sira keyboard mo?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

      good point.

  • Keeper242

    Anong “Vow of Poverty” ang pinagsasabi nitong mga pari..eh naka Montero, Prado at Patrol ang mga sasakyan. Sarap pag-ontugin.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      anong kinalaman ng vow of poverty sa pagkakakulong ni Celdran?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      Ikaw na di alam ang Vow of Poverty ng mga Pari magtigiltigil ka at nagmumukha kang engot. Yung mga sasakyang sinabi mo matagal ng issue yan at di mo pwede ibato sa pangkalahatang kaparian nagmumukha ka tuloy galit sa anumang meron sa catholic church.

      kung binigyan man ang mga pari ng mga sasakyan di nila maipapamana yan sa pamilya nila dahil magiging pag-aari yan ng simbahan kung saan sila naka-assign. Walang sariling pamilya ang mga pari tulad ng mga pastor mo kaya useless na mag-impok sila ng kayamanan dito sa lupa.

      Puntahan mo ang Bahay-Pari na pinagdadalhan ng mga pari na matanda na o retired na sa pagpapari, andun sila umaasa sa kalinga ng kapwa nila pari at donasyon na galing sa ibat-ibang simbahan. Ang nagaalaga sa kanila ay mga pamangkin nila o di kaya ay kapwa mga batang pari dahil sa tanda nila patay narin ang mga magulang nila at mga kapatid. Wala naman silang ma-uuwiang sariling tahanan dahil di naman sila nagpamilya tulad ng mga pastor mo.

      Suwerte na ang pari na mayaman ang pamilya bago pa magpari dahil tiyak na mapapamanahan sila ng kanilang pamilya.

      Kaya tanungin mo pastor mo kung yung mga donasyon nyo ay ayon din ang pambayad nya TUITION NG ANAK NYA.

      • Keeper242

        Taran-tado, kakalimutan nalang natin ang mga scandal na ito? Mas engot ka!

    • maximus commentus

      Keeper, mali ka tol, hindi lahat ng pari ay may vows of poverty. Franciscans lang. Optional ito sa ibang orders. I-check mo muna ang facts mo bago ka mag post at magalit ng wala sa lugar.

      • Keeper242

        Tol.. hindi lang franciscans, pati mga Jesuits. Check mo rin facts mo bago ka sumagot.

      • maximus commentus

        Eh di Franciscans at Jesuits. Walang problema. ang importante Mali ka pa rin. Nilahat mo eh. Ang dami daming Dominicans at iba pang orders sa Pilipinas na walang vows of poverty.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TAYLHMWTPKUI6ULKRNJWYQ4EOA socali177

    Why is the philippines so backward? Seperation of church and state should be enacted. The Church has too much power.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Hindi na totoo yan… e kung totoong makapangyarihan ang simbahan, bakit naipasa ang RH bill bilang batas!!!!

      • brunogiordano

        “Hindi na totoo yan… e kung totoong makapangyarihan ang simbahan, bakit naipasa ang RH bill bilang batas!!!!”

        Ang RH ay naging batas dahil sa kabila ng sangkatutak na dasal, misa, at prayer rallies ninyong hindi PINAKINGGAN.

        Patunay na ang nais ng pinagdarasal ninyo ay hindi sangayon sa inyong MALING nais.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        weee nakausap mo ba sya?

      • henri_see

         e paano ngayon tong si Celdran, siguro pinakinggan ang dasal nya?

      • henri_see

         ganyan talaga mag isip ang mga yan!
        pag di nasunod ang gusto nila, makapangyarihan ang simbahan.

        pag nasunod, hay, matatalino ang mga tao, di na nakikinig simbahan.
        hayaan mo na lang, mga retarded kasi.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      backward ba? baka ang katulad mo at ni celdran ang backward..ano naman ang kinalaman ng separation of church and state sa kaso ni celdran? nangbastos sya at nag-asal hunyango dapat maparusahan sya. gawin nya yan sa ibang sekta tulad ng ADD at INC ni manalo o sa Mosque ewan ko lang kundi sya kuyugin ng mga kasapi na naroroon.. buti nalang at malawak ang pangunawa ng mga katoliko at ang mga ganitong pambabastos ay pina-uubaya nalang sa Diyos bilang pagsunod sa utos ni Jesus na mahalin mo ang iyong kaaway.

    • maximus commentus

      Sus, amerika nga ang nagiging backward eh.. kita mo, lahat na lang nilegalize, abortion, gay marriage, etc. kita mo pahirap ng pahirap ang ekonomiya nila. Mabuti pa noong araw na moral pa ang mga kano, pinagpapala din sila.

      Mas healthy pa nga ang economic outlook ng Pilipinas ngayon kesa Amerika at ng iba pang bansa.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TAYLHMWTPKUI6ULKRNJWYQ4EOA socali177

        totoo yung sabi nyo pero…are you going to really compare the economic state of the PI to America? Sa State pwede sila mg take care of their own people. Meron social security, disability. Sa PI? Besides Alabang, Forbes, Dasma and other enclaves in Manila I see a lot of poverty. You can blame the catholic church for that. There is no place in modern society to place the church over common sense. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/74DX67S5U6H557SPUXS5XZ6QJI Alisto Juan

    Freedom of expression is not absolute, you can express your opinion provided you did not trespass the right of other. Celdran is man enough to express his right and I salute him for confronting the Church but he should also be man enough to face the consequences of his action so therefor he should go to jail or apply for provision. . That’s the law and that the lesson we learned in this case, for now, the Church is fighting back. They are invoking the old testament ” An eye for an eye”. They will not forgive you so children be careful for God is watching. .  

  • silvershade

    in your example, the priest is part of the special political meeting. sa ginawa ni celdran, he is not part of the mass.  imagine kumakain kayo magpamilya and celdran wil barge into your house para manggulo, what will you do?

    • Vertumnus

       He didn’t go to someone house, he went to the house of the lord and If I’m not mistaken, everyone is welcome in the house of the lord.

      • maximus commentus

        Everyone with the intention of joining the celebration is welcome, not those who have the intent of disrupting the holy ceremony. Pilosopo umuwi ka na nga, magsaing ka na.

      • Vertumnus

        So big deal if he disrupted mass! That’s 1 mass! Do you have any idea how many masses have been celebrated since the arrival of the Spanish friars. Millions upon Millions. One disruptions will not Anger God, it’s the sensibilities of those, holier than thou, priest who are stoking the fire. All they had to do was drop the charges and that would have been the end of it. But no…like a bunch of Prima donas, they have to file changes because their sensibilities where hurt.
        Give ma break! This whole thing is blown completely out of proportion and the more the Church insist on justice, the more they look like a bunch of spoiled, well feed Theocrats!

      • maximus commentus

        Kayo nga itong mga prima donna at whiners. Gumawa kayo ng kaso, tapos hindi ninyo gustong harapin ang consequences. Kayo ang nanggulo ng nananahimik tapos kayo pa iiyak? Pathetic. Lagi kayong feeling victim, eh kayo na nga ang nang-harass.

      • Vertumnus

        Sino hindi gusto harapin? Eh distubing the peace like naman tapos isang scandalo na.

        He was arrested and put in jail! Corrupt officials spend less time in jail than Celdran.

        You are PATHETIC when you can’t differentiate between a misdemeanor and a felony.

      • Vertumnus

        My maid cooks my dinner! She made braised beef and steam vegetables. I had vanilla ice cream for dessert.

  • $20926843

    Since Celdran is keen on having his present situation to be a throw back during the time of Rizal, perhaps he should have solicited the legal services of Tenyente Taviel de Andrade  as counsel and take comfort that at least the penalty of firing squad is no longer present in the country’s penal code.

  • rjimenez1226

    Why don’t we jail all those priests wo have been interfering in Philippine polictics, inciting their  flocks to vote against a government initiative for reproductive health, and all those who received bribed from  Arroyo? 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Anong kinalaman dun sa pagkakakulong ni Celdran?

      • rjimenez1226

        E ang mga unang biastos ay ang mga pare on the sanctity o the separation of church and state. They have been breaking the constitutonal ban anainst religion participating in Philippine politics.
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      • maximus commentus

        Separate naman ang church and state ah. Wala namang active duty na pari sa Senado, kongreso, o gobyerno.

        Kahit sa Amerika na may mahigpit na separation of church and state, lantarang kontrahin ng simbahang katoliko ang mga imoral na batas ni Obama gaya ng abortion at same -sex marriage. Ipinagdadasal ito every mass, na maliwanagan sana ang utak ni Obama.

        Walang kabuluhan iyang sinasabi mo dahi matagal nang may separasyon ang church and state ang Pilipinas.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Katulad ng sinabi mo, na sa Amerika na nga na mas mahigpit ang separation of Church and State, nagkaroon na silang 2 congress man na pari, namely: Robert Drinan (of Massachusetts) and Robert John Cornell (Wisconsins).  Kasi irereview mo ang jurisprudence ng separation ng Church and State, ang separation of church and state does  not deprive anyone  of his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest or a bishop. 

      • maximus commentus

        Kung ganon, mas mahigpit pa pala ang separasyon ng church and state sa pilipinas. kailangan pang magbitaw sa tungkulin ang isang pari para kumandidato, kagaya ni Fr. Ed Panlillo ng Pampanga.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Just a question to ponder upon:
        Does a Filipino lose his right to express his opinion, to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, to organize legal rallies, etc. just because he became a priest, or bishop?
        The obvious answer is NO, because the separation of Church and State does not deprive any Filipino  his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest or a bishop.  Remember Panlilio, a priest who ran for governor of Pampanga.   There was no Constitutional provision that deprived him of his right to run for public office  even if he is a priest!
        WHAT ACTION OF THE PRESENT CHURCH  VIOLATES THIS SO-CALLED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?
        Before making any response to this question, make sure that you review the jurisprudence of the Separation of Church and State, lest ignorance cloud our objective judgement of the matter at hand!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3IFSWGHJPHPOKSCK57TSLFJQJ4 X

         Mat, it’s more of stating one’s opinion.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

      Bcoz there’s such a thing called freedom right ? Every filipino has a right to voice out his or hers dissenting opinion to anyone. Every filipino has a right to have a different opinion. And Priests are filipinos that’s the problem. We have no right to gag a filipino priest into not voicing out his opinion.

      About “inciting their flock to vote against” ? We should understand that they are priests and based on their religious beliefs they can’t ask their flock to vote for RH, this is like expecting DOCTORS to incite their patients to smoke all they can. 

      Lastly, we always refer to the priests as DAMASOS, but what about the GOMBURZA priests ? Not all priests are DAMASOS there are GOMBURZAS as well.

      • rjimenez1226

        E unang biastos ng mga pare on the sanctity ng separation of church and state. They have been breaking the constitutonal ban angaint religious participating in Philippine politics.

      • maximus commentus

         angaint? ano yan? ang init? magpayong ka muna.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Just a question to ponder upon:
        Does a Filipino lose his right to express his opinion, to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, to organize legal rallies, etc. just because he became a priest, or bishop?
        The obvious answer is NO, because the separation of Church and State does not deprive any Filipino  his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest or a bishop.  Remember Panlilio, a priest who ran for governor of Pampanga.   There was no Constitutional provision that deprived him of his right to run for public office  even if he is a priest!
        WHAT ACTION OF THE PRESENT CHURCH  VIOLATES THIS SO-CALLED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?
        Before making any response to this question, make sure that you review the jurisprudence of the Separation of Church and State, lest ignorance cloud our objective judgement of the matter at hand!!!

    • maximus commentus

       kailan pa naging kaso ang magkaroon ng political stand ang isang relihiyon? Lagi namang may stand sa morality lahat ng relihiyon ah. Buang ka pala rj eh.

    • noyab

       ok yun jimenez but unahin ka dapat na mapatay…..he he he tungak, pandak

  • brunogiordano

    Si CELDRAN ay maaaring hindi makulong dahil ang pinagbasihan batas ay dapat ng I repeal upang maka sunod tayo sa bagong sakop ng FREEDOM OF SPEECH na isa Sa pinakamahalagang HUMAN RIGHT.

    Ang maaaring mangyari ito ay magiging suspended sentence.

    • maximus commentus

       hindi kasama sa freedom of speech ang disruption of religious services at disturbing the peace.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      e di ibig sabihin nun, pwede na akong pumasok sa bahay nyo at magsalita ng malaya tungkol sa aking paniniwala sa buhay dahil may freedom of speech!

    • noyab

       ang pang babastos ay di freedom of speech, tanga mo ugok…
       

  • veritatis_splendor

    Hay nako Celdran. Ikaw ang nagse-set ng “bad precedent.” Imagine kung lahat ng tao pwede na palang magabarge in at mag-offend sa isang religious gathering. Di ba riot yun? Kaya tayo may batas ay lara maging orderly ang pag-express ng legitimate freedoms natin. If you want to express your freedom of speech, do it outside a religious gathering. I don’t believe in his apology kung mukhang hindi naman sorry.

  • rjimenez1226

    Celdran is  a Philippine martyr now. He is elevated to an iconic, Rizalian status. The  Catholic  Church Padre Damaso , hypocritical, arrogant and self-serving attitude is evident. Blessed are the  Poor and the  afflicted for they  shall be comforted.  Cursed are  the powers that be that continue to oppress and bring darkness to people’s lives and  understanding.

    • maximus commentus

      Ang drama ninyong mga anti-catholic. Paano naging martir yang si Celdran eh buhay naman siya? Papatayin ba siya sa Luneta gaya ni Rizal? Si Rizal makabuluhan ang ginawa para palayasin ang mga dayuhan. Ayaw lang niya sa diskriminasyon at panglalait ng mga paring kastila sa ating mga Pilipino. Iginagalang niya ang mga relihiyon. Iyang si Celdran, bastos lang, mahilig lang mang-away ng kapwa Pilipino at pinapalala lang niya ang pagkakawatak-watak ng mga Pinoy.

      Walang pinagkapareho si Rizal kay Celdran. Lumabag siya sa batas, dapat lang siyang managot.

      • rjimenez1226

        Ang mga pare ang  sumisira sa pagkakaisa ng mga Pinoy

      • maximus commentus

        Hindi, ang mga pakialamero at nagmamarunong na kagaya mo ang sumisira. Hindi ninyo naiintindihan ang sistema ng demokrasya. Ayaw ninyong pumayag na bawat tao, bawat relihiyon ay may iba-ibang opinyon at walang pwedeng pumuwersa na magbago ito kahit pa gobyerno.

      • rjimenez1226

        haha. kaya nga may demokrasya para ang mga pare na katuklad mo ay magtino at hindi mang-abuso ng mga bata.

      • maximus commentus

        ang labo mo talaga… ngayon naman pari na ako? LOL. Kung pari lang ako, na-exorcise na kita.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3IFSWGHJPHPOKSCK57TSLFJQJ4 X

       I do not have anything against protests….but I will NOT allow anyone to protest inside the Church! That’s the house of GOD and should be treated with respect.

    • im_not_convinced

       If he wants to be a martyr, he should do it in a mosque. dun martyr talaga siya at di na lalabas ng buhay.. catholics are so much more forgiving in spite of what idiots claim.

    • boypalaban

       ang galing…bakit di ka sumama sa kulungan niyan…at doon kayo magyarian…tutal pareho naman kayo…ihanda ang puwet at bunganga…isama na pati tenga, ilong…basta gamitan ng condom…

      • VindictivePanot

        hoy bastos! walang kwenta pinagsasabi mo, ganyan ka pinalaki ng magulang mo or bastos din nanay mo?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Hoy Celdran, bakit hindi mo subukan na mambastos sa loob ng mosque?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    rjimenez, ikaw ang dapat makulong.

  • jojotolentino

    I am for Celdran’s position on RH but disturbing a religious event, inside a religious place, isn’t quite right.  I hope he learns his lesson.

    The Catholic church, while protesting against RH, never shouted inside Congress’ session halls.

    Protest has its right venue.

    • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

      Copy and paste this to catmanjohn up there. He should learn from your comment.

  • Taiko_Kauna

    st*pid judge, enslaved by tradition and false beliefs!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      weee nag-aral ka ba ng abogasya pero tawagin mong stupido ang judge

    • boypalaban

      musta na puwet mo damaso celdran? di ka ba ginamitan ng condom?

  • Fulpol

    a gay who violated a law… so he is criminal…

    gay people who are rude, don’t respect laws should go to jail…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    Oh and yeah…it’s fashionable to refer to Priests these days as DAMASOS, what about the GOMBURZA priests ? Not all are Damasos, they can be Gomburzas as well

  • henri_see

     The law is the law.
    The Penal Code is the law.
    The RH Bill is the law.

    Stop whining and face it like a man, Celdran!

    • prince_janus

       He is not a man! She is the wo before man.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OXAZFHCT6QUOIEVEKIIYT3LQIY Jose

    he got what he did..jail?..its good..His approached was wrong. its not the church but the people who is incharge of the church..One , the bishop who says, keep on MAKING babies because that is what God wants..is very much similar to the Muslims who says, its okay to bomb innocent people for you will be rewarded with virgins in heaven. Thats the the real DAMASO.

    • boypalaban

      di ka ba nasiyahan nung tinira ka sa puwet ng mga manyakis at pedopilyang pari? musta na puwet mo damso celdran fafa…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3IFSWGHJPHPOKSCK57TSLFJQJ4 X

    To protest is good, but to protest during a religious event is just rude! People should still learn how to respect the institution and it’s beliefs. People should protest outside the church! I dare Celdran to protest inside a Mosque!  

    • rjimenez1226

      Naging bastos si Celdran dahil sa mga pare. Binabastos nila yung cpmstitution. binabastos din nila ang mga batang paslit.

      • boypalaban

        ang layo ng analysis mo…

      • maximus commentus

        off topic ka naman eh. mansanas ang usapan, singkamas ang binabanggit mo.

      • noyab

         do not give justice sa gaya mong demonyo….

      • boypalaban

        natira ba yung puwet niya at di ginamitan ng condom?
        bakit di mo gayahin? patira ka rin sa puwet sa mga manyakis na pari gaya ng idol mong si damaso celdran fafa….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A5CN52KKTWUHFZJZCWGMAIGZJM Gandalf

    Bakit kapag mga may mga pedophile and rapists na pari, “forgiveness” ang tema nila,  o kaya’y quoting “Let he who is without sin let him cast the first stone.”

    Sasabihin pa nila na tao lang din ang mga pari, nagkakamali din–and they were referring to priests who sexually abused children, mind you.
    Something is very, very wrong with this religious people; something execrable, something loathsome is at work here.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Saan at kailan ba nagsalita ang mga pari ng forgiveness at “let he who is without sin let him cast the first stone” pag pedophile at rapist na pari na ang ping-uusapan?   

      kung totoo man yan,  e dapat ng kasuhan ang mga paring yan!  Pero hindi pa rin magiging tama ang ginawang pag disrupt ng isang religious  ni Celdran. Tama may karapatan si Celdran na ipahayag ang kanyang paniniwala at ang kanyang pinaglalaban, dapat sa tamang lugar at oras!  Kung hindi naman nya kayang irespeto ang mga pari dun sa simbahan, at least naman ung mga ordinaryong taong nagdadasal ay nirespeto nya.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A5CN52KKTWUHFZJZCWGMAIGZJM Gandalf

        Read the news. Kailan lang merong balitang ganyan.

        HYPOCRISY–its for everybody.

      • boypalaban

         musta na puwet mo damaso celdran?

    • rjimenez1226

      It’s hypocrisy in full motion. The  Catholic Church is the biggest hypocrite in the world.

      • prince_janus

         aren’t you a hypocrite also?

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Dude, check the internet for imprisoned priests because of child sexual abuses. Baca sacaling maliuanagan ca.

    • boypalaban

       ang layo ng analysis mo…ganyan kapag nakatira ng shabu…patira ka na rin sa puwet sa mga manyakis na pari…gaya ng idol mong si damaso celdran…fafa….

  • brunogiordano

    “International pressure

    Since 1999, several resolutions on combating “defamation of religions” have been adopted by various United Nations bodies. In particular, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has been very active over the years on this issue. However, while defamation is necessary to protect the reputation of persons against false statements, it does not apply to religions: human rights protect people, not religions. In a joint statement issued during the Durban Review Conference in Geneva in 2009, three United Nation Special Rapporteurs – respectively on freedom of religion or belief, on the right to freedom of opinion and expression and on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance – underlined that:
    “(…) the difficulties in providing an objective definition of the term “defamation of religions” at the international level make the whole concept open to abuse. At the national level, domestic blasphemy laws can prove counter-productive, since this could result in the de facto censure of all inter-religious and intra-religious criticism. Many of these laws afford different levels of protection to different religions and have often proved to be applied in a discriminatory manner. There are numerous examples of persecution of religious minorities or dissenters, but also of atheists and non-theists, as a result of legislation on religious offences or overzealous application of laws that are fairly neutral.”
    In fact, churches and religious groups should accept criticism, just as every group in society. In a 2008 report on the relationship between freedom of expression and freedom of religion, the European Commission for Democracy through Law (Council of Europe’s advisory body on constitutional matters, better known as the Venice Commission) recommended that “the offence of blasphemy should be abolished (which is already the case in most European States) and should not be reintroduced”.”

    Ito ay inadopt ng UN at ang PILIPINAS ay signatory dito.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      The issue not about the criticisms hurled by Celdran to the Church, it is not about his advocacy,  but it is about disrupting a religious service.  E di ba may karapatan akong magdasal sa simbahan ko ng mataimtim, tapes eto naman si Celdran, nangugulo.  You do not fight for your rights by stepping on others’ rights!

  • im_not_convinced

    if he tried disrespecting a service in a mosque, you wouldn’t have him and his supporters screaming freedom of speech. the case wouldn’t even reach the courts as he would be dead before then.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/A5CN52KKTWUHFZJZCWGMAIGZJM Gandalf

      The difference is that we are a democracy; there is a separation of Church and State. We are not under Sharia, of which you seem to admire.

      Celdran was protesting against the political meddling of the church; besides, whose feelings were Celdran’s actions hurt? How would they determine the degree of actionable “hurt”? This law has no place in a democratic society.Moreover, this issue reeks of hypocrisy.  And do you know how many religions are out there? We’d need a guide on how NOT to avoid hurting “religious feelings.”  

      • Guest

        “there is a separation of church and state”

        That’s rich.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Just a question to ponder upon:

        Does a Filipino lose his right to express his opinion, to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, to organize legal rallies, etc. just because he became a priest, or bishop?

        The obvious answer is NO, because the separation of Church and State does not deprive any Filipino  his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest or a bishop.  Remember Panlilio, a priest who ran for governor of Pampanga.   There was no Constitutional provision that deprived him of his right to run for public office  even if he is a priest!

        WHAT ACTION OF THE PRESENT CHURCH  VIOLATES THIS SO-CALLED SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

        Before making any response to this question, make sure that you review the jurisprudence of the Separation of Church and State, lest ignorance cloud our objective judgement of the matter at hand!!!

      • wakats

        common sense dictates that the church should not meddle in the affairs of the state – but the priests openly urge the faithfuls, in the pulpit, not to vote for politicians who supported the RH bill.

      • boypalaban

        bastusin mo mga pari at mga tao sa simbahan…at patira ka na rin sa puwet sa mga paring manyakis gaya mo …damaso celdran…

      • im_not_convinced

        The church in the middle of service is not the place for your protest. if i am not mistaken church property is still private property and not a a place for “peaceful” protest (which was not peaceful at all). if i can put it in a context you will understand. it is like a stranger off the street going into your house uninvited(while your family is having dinner) and cursing you to not have an opinion. does not matter which sect is involved, the people he has offended have a right to complain and there is a law against his malicious actions.

      • WeAry_Bat

        However, what if the person of the church uses the mass to politicize? Is there no right to reply within the church?

        So the priest can deliver politics from the pulpit but politics can not enter the door?

        I haven’t heard of an Imam doing politics in a mosque during prayers, so also for other religions who are more circumspect in separating their message from politics.

      • im_not_convinced

        well Celdran is not convicted for his politics or his views. it was the manner by which he chose to deliver his message. which was to make a disruptive spectacle in the church during religious service. If he got on a megaphone from outside the church and yelled profanities at the priest to his heart’s content, there would not be a case against him would it? I take reservation with the 2nd part of your comment as well, politics is far from separate in Islam nor other religious groups (INC vote as one remember?). regardless of your sect though, if the priest/minister says something you don’t agree to, feel free to step out. i have many friends who do so. we are not forced to stay and listen.

      • WeAry_Bat

        ah yes, i thought about it later, the INC.

        then there is the case of russian band of girls doing nearly same. hooliganism is the closest.

        but still, is it not those who dish out should also be ready to get dished back? when the priest says something, then when can someone speak back?

      • im_not_convinced

        well i am not for suppressing personal opinions, though i am sure the priests are not used to being contradicted especially in their own turf but i’ve personally had many a dialogue with them about the RH issue and they generally respect people having their own views about it. wont stop them from trying to convince you otherwise of course, but this is expected. there is really a time and place for everything. even if Celdran was frustrated with the church, it was not the right way to express his views.

      • WeAry_Bat

        well said in your part. surrender ako.

        i therefore submit his manner should have been more appropriate like megaphoning outside the church.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Exactly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q3K4D7DHINOHU7E2JBPXY3JLZQ Josh

    bakit yung artist na si CRUZ, yung bumaboy sa imahe ni jesus christ at mama mary , e hindi naparusahan? di hamak na kabalbalan ang ginawa ng demonyo na yun! next time si alla naman ang babuyin mo, para mabomba ang buong angkan mo..CRUZ.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      dahil si cruz ay sa loob ng CCP naglabas ng kababuyan nya at di sa loob ng simbahan na may Misa pa. 

      Isa pa di ugali ng mga pari na magdemanda sa ganitong mga pang-aalispusta sa simbahan at sa kaparian. Pinatawad na sila ng mga pari.

      Tinutupad lang nga mga pari ang “Separation of church and State” kaya di sila nagdedemanda bahala na ang mga laykong katoliko kung gusto nilang magreklamo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q3K4D7DHINOHU7E2JBPXY3JLZQ Josh

         yes maam, but this is a form of Sacrilege. sacrilege is the violation or injurious treatment of a sacred object or person. kung kayo po ay katoliko, masasaktan po kayo.

    • prince_janus

       totoy josh, iba yung ginawa ni celdran. nambabastos talaga siya sa loob ng simbahan na kung saan on-going yung pagdarasal. wala siyang modo at walang respeto. ok lang sana kung sa labas ng simbahan niya ginawa.

  • glg_ph

    i totally agree with the decision, this is not part of free speech but intolerance and insensitivity to the rights of others who are in the midst of expressing religious freedom.

    • where_I_stand

      Sarili lang kasi ang iniisip ni Celdran. Wala siyang paki-alam kung maaapakan niya ang karapatan  ng ibang tao.

      Ganun talaga ang mga taong sobra ang bilib sa sarili, ang buong akala nila sila lang ang tama, at dahil sila ang tama, mali na ang ibang opinyon at pananaw sa buhay.

      They think that their opinions and perspectives are the only correct way of looking at reality. They become intolerant to the opposite opinions and perspectives. Worse, they are telling us that it is the opposite camp, the Catholic church, that is closed-minded, intolerant of dissenting opinions and hostile to opposite perspective.

      Socrates himself did not claim to know better than others. And he’s the wisest of men.

      Pro-RH din ako, pero mali talaga ang ginawa ni Celdran. Meron siyang nilabag na batas, kaya tanggapin niya ang kaparusahan.

      • TGM _ERICK

         A million likes , my friend!

  • Tolits Yap David

     Cognitively-challenged individuals should be helped and assisted to the fullest. Unconditional positive regard should always be extended to them together with all the resources possible so they can live normal lives.

    But there are idiots and morons by choice and beyond human reason just like the one recently convicted. They are better ignored together with those who chose to be idiot and morons themselves by supporting a “cause” which is otherwise a simple case of lack of respect. 

  • Fulpol

    maliwanag sa sikat ng araw, Celdran… you violated a law…

    Revise Penal Code… you are a criminal…

    ano ka sinuswerte??…. criminal pero ayaw mabilanggo..

  • Fulpol

    idiot people attacking the Church, condoning the “criminal act” done by Celdran…

    criminal si Celdran pero todo suporta sila?? 

    mga idiots!

  • wakats

    The lower court’s sentence of a minimum of 2 months and maximum of one year is too lenient for a gay braggadocio who openly desecrated the holiness of a high mass attended by church dignitaries.  He could have done his attention-seeking stunts at the entrance of the Basilica or at the altar when no mass is in progress.

    Celdran was born and raised in the elite dasmarinas village, studied at Rhode Island School of Design and, after university, lived in New York City of an openly bisexual lifestyle – men having sex with men.

    He offended not only the catholic church but also the millions of decent catholic faithfuls… 

    • prince_janus

       That’s why he want the RH Law because he wants free condoms!

  • noyab

    dapat i firing swuad yan Celdran na kiyan sa Luneta, walang modo asal demonyo…

    • rjimenez1226

      ikaw dapat.

      • boypalaban

        dapat i-firing squad na puwet mo gaya ng idol mong si celdran…bagay kayo…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ELGS2BPKJKG5PDWJAOOCF7K5KI Albert

    Why is everyone saying “what if’s” for a mosque. He didn’t go into a mosque or talk about islam. Stop making stupid irrelevant comments. His problem was with the church and the RH bill.

    I’m surprised the church didn’t cite a 1539 law and have the judge burn him at the stake.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Weeeee ang OA mo naman.  hindi naman ang advocacy ni Celdran ang problema, pero  nasa maling lugar at oras sya nun. 

    • where_I_stand

      “I’m surprised the church didn’t cite a 1539 law and have the judge burn him at the stake.”

      Kaya magising na kayo. Putak ng putak kayo laban sa Simbahan namatagal ng wala, Ang Simbahan magbabago rin ayon sa pagbabago ng panahon.

      Meron ka pa “surprise”– use your mind so that you will know.

      Why irrelevant?
      The same act but done in a different context, and stipulate what would be the response of a particular group. This is basically what a scientist would do: he will try to test the different responses of various groups, using a controlled stimuli.

      The issue in not free speech per se. It is Celdran’s lack of respect to the religious feeling of a religious community. Like him, these Filipinos also have rights to express their faith in their own church. Intruding the church, disrupting the community activity, and insulting them–this is clearly an encroachment of the rights of other people. Freedom of speech is forum-dependent. Celdran was free to express his opinion in his own forum. After all, freedom of speech is not absolute.

  • carlcid

    The Taliban, the Ayatollah and, perhaps, Vladimir Putin would be totally at home with this judge.

    • boypalaban

      punta ka sa mga simbahan…manggulo ka doon…gayahin mo idol mong si damaso celdran…patira ka na rin sa puwet sa mga manyakis na pari…

  • boypalaban

    tama lang yan na makulong…dapat kasama niya sa kulungan mga pedopilyang pari….

    wala sa ayos yan…pwede naman magprotesta na hindi mambabastos sa isang seremonya….
    kapag naaprubahan ang same sex marriage at ikakasal yan sa lalakeng gusto niya, maganda bastusin din yan…guluhin ang seremonya…magkaroon ng stampede etc…yan ang kalakaran na gusto niyan…

    DAMASO CELDRAN…WALA SA AYOS!

  • Fulpol

    ang liwanag Celdran, you violated a law…. ignorance of the law?? no excuse…

    bago ka gumawa ng kung ano ano, alamin mo ang batas…

    hindi ang Church ang nag-persecute sa iyo… ikaw ang  nag-persecute sa Church.. ang pambabastos mo…

    • done_druff

      in short, bobo!

  • Fulpol

    free speech????

    idiot… 

    free speech??

    idiot…

    magngangawa ka sa labas ng Simbahan… walang problema… 

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    “I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that, when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court and put you in jail.”

    With this statement one will see Celdrán’ stupidity. On that fateful day, he did not merely question the Church authorities on their stance against the RH Bill. He went there to INSULT and MOCK them with that placard of his. My golly. Why are you all blind to this? He has questioned the Church numerous times before the Manila Cathedral incident, even calling the hierarchy of priests as “Catholic Taliban” in his guided tours. His opposition to the Church regarding some issues such as the RH Bill was well-known. Was he imprisoned for them? No. Because the Church respected his right to freedom of expression. It was his “papansín” antic in the Cathedral which did him in. What he did there was not freedom of expression. It’s just another guy showing off his demented ideology in the most gutter-like form. That Dámaso antic did not invite any dialogue at all. It incited only strife. So now he’ll pay for it. He had it coming. It is his fault, plain and simple.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

      Kung ang pinasok ni Celdran ay place of worship ng ibang relihiyon ewan , kung makalabas sya ng buhay o makalabas sya ng di duguan. hahaha!el

    • maximus commentus

      No my friend.. it’s only when you enter a religious service and disturb it. Do the same thing in an an INC, Muslim, Protestant, christian, Hindu, Buddhist service, and you’ll be arrested too. Stop sensationalizing this and blaming it on the Catholic Church. Obviously, you have this “destroy the catholic church” agenda just like the other posters here.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Why are you telling that to me? You must be mistaken, sir. But is that comment of yours directed to me? Because my email notification says so.

    • done_druff

      Well said. A lot are too blind or plainly avoiding this because they think what he did, the Church deserves even if it violates a law!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FWPL7UMRTWHOCIT4NTTALAWNJI Niel

    KSP

  • generalproblem

    cg handa muna ang pwet mo. sigurado mananawagan ka sa lahat ng santo ng mga katoliko hehehe. buti nga sayo. kung dun mo ginawa yan sa mosque pugot na ulo mo. masyado kasing mabait tayong mga katoliko. it is time na parusahan yang animal na yan. pwede ka mag protesta sa labs pero hindi sa holy mass. hindi ako agree sa judge masyadong mababa yung parusa dapat dyan ay 20 yrs. maraming sumusuporta dyan at nag finance na mga pro rh na bata ng mga drug companies.

  • Jack Phalaphitac

    Hero, sort of. Celdran did what most of us can only think of. He put his objection to Damaso’s meddling one level higher.

    The Damasos should have considered these: You have no moral ground to stand on to dictate to everyone what you want if you abuse little children. You have no right to force your will on the state if you don’t pay taxes. These, Celdran saw and didn’t let it pass. He met them face to face, in their territory, to tell them in their faces the facts mentioned above. 

    That’s a suicide mission if you consider doing it in another circumstance. That he knows the consequences is a given. Not the right place, not the right time, but when and where will it be right? Heroes before us never thought about these things.What’s always on their mind is there’s something wrong here and I must give my share to correct it. That’s the thinking that inspires people, that’s what inspire others to become followers. That’s what inspired us to be one in supporting the RH bill, that’s what inspired us to get RH bill turned into law. 

    While at this inspiration thing, we should think about what inspired this judge to arrived at this verdict. If Celdran is mocking, ridiculing and offending their beliefs, aren’t these Damasos guilty of these same offenses when they use the pulpit to demonized those who supported the RH law, then and now?
    At most Celdran is guilty of gatecrashing. If it’s a party they’re having, they could have just thrown him out. However, nobody can become a hero for just that, gatecrashing.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      she/he should done that not inside the church…there is a proper place in a proper forum..

    • maximus commentus

      Ang haba ng sinabi mo Jack na walang kabuluhan, pero napansin ko lang yung tinype mo na “to arrived?” (3rd paragraph). Hindi naman yata tama iyong “to” tapos past tense na verb. Salamat.

      Pwedeng magdikta ang Katoliko at kahit anong religion sa mga members nila. Kaya nga sila isang simbahan eh dahil pare-pareho sila dapat ng paniniwala. Sobrang lenient nga ng katoliko, kumpara sa mga Muslim at Iglesia na pinupwersa ang mga members na sumunod. Sobrang luwag ng simbahang katoliko. Anyway, kung hindi ka Katoliko, o ayaw mo sa paniniwala ng Katoliko eh di wag kang sumunod, magsuot ka ng patong-patong na condom pati sa mga daliri at ilong mo.

      Ang simple-simple iniintriga niyo pa ang simbahang Katoliko. may mga nauuto naman kayong mga buang. Marinig lang ang english mong mali, agree agad.

      Kung gusto ninyong maging imoral, go ahead, kaluluwa niyo naman iyan eh. Pero wag kayong magalit sa simbahang katoliko pag naglalabas ng guidelines sa mga members nila. Kayo ang nagiging pakialamero.

      • Jack Phalaphitac

        It’s the Damasos and their minions and their holier than thou attitude that I am not in conformity. I have nothing against religion per se. Just like the government, it’s the people,who run it that have the shortcomings. 
        Btw, can I hire you as my proofreader? Bring some condom if you’ll accept the offer.

  • generalproblem

    correct. meron lugar para sa protesta at hindi tamang lugar yung altar at oras ng misa. dapat syang parusahan ng di pamarisan

  • mekeni62

    offending religious feeling. ha ha this is funny.

    • rjimenez1226

      i agree. when all religion has offended everyone, especially the  Catholics for their hypocrisy and worship of the devil, the Pope.

      • boypalaban

         and you worship your totem : CONDOM …just like your idol lord damaso celdran…

      • rjimenez1226

        haha. religious sensibilities ng mga kumang.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

        So all Catholics are hypocrites, worship the devil, and the devil is the Pope?

      • done_druff

        If ALL Catholics are hypocrites then si Celdran is also hypocrite and worshipping the devil!

        He is a Catholic! 

      • boypalaban

        nasaktan ka lang kasi idol mo di na makakapamigay ng condom…bakit di mo akuin ginagawa niya…pangatawanan mo yang adhikain mo….mamigay ka na ng condom diyan sa mga iskwater sa intramuros…at ikembot mo puwet mo…at ihanda mo palagi bunganga mo….

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      gawin mo rin ang ginawa ni celdran at pumasok ka sa mosque or abusayaff…tingnan natin kung makakalabas ka pa…or even sa iglesia ni kulafu…

      • mekeni62

        I said I found it funny. Why not try doing it yourself. I’ll see then if it’s still funny or stupid.

      • done_druff

        parehas lang pala kayo ni Celdran eh — Bading!

      • mekeni62

        offended ka rin? he he he. ang alam ko mga pari ang bading.

      • done_druff

        ah okay ok lang ako… in fact natatawa sayo… :D

      • mekeni62

        he he I told you it’s funny.
         

  • asdafaa qwesda

    When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him. When a group abuses the law to curtail freedom of expression because it feels “disrespected” people may be denied a perspective that may well be true. I have zero faith that the powers-that-be would go out of their way to provide people access to the truth.

    The actions of the Church and their sheeple speak loudly as to their faith in people’s ability to do what is right (how dare we think independently of the Church?!).

    The world isn’t perfect and can’t be, but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

    Just a little sense of decency and respect for places of worship. But that’s probably too much to ask of someone who calls all priests pedophiles and rapists. Some probably are. Sue them.
    The issue is not only offending the priests but also the Church, for what it stands, and for offending the people that consider the place sacred.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    right is not absolute…

    FREEDOM IS NOT ABSOLUTE…

    she/he should face the consequences of what he has done if he is man enough (man ba talaga ito)

    FREEDOM ALWAYS FOLLOWS RESPONSIBILITY

    • asdafaa qwesda

      “FREEDOM ALWAYS FOLLOWS RESPONSIBILITY”

      Should we sacrifice freedom of expression because someone is offended? Freedom of expression is the lifeblood of a free society. You risk destroying that freedom just because someone got offended. Jail time just because you offended someone?!?

      “FREEDOM IS NOT ABSOLUTE”

      No it is not, but let people decide whether Celdran went too far or not.

      • 444mangyan888

        well, he went really that too far…!!!
        and you can multiply my opinion several ten million times…!!

  • prince_janus

    Tama lang yung decision ng Judge sa pambabastos ng baklang ito! Dalhin mo na Celdran ang sangkaterbang condom sa bilangguan. I-ready mo na rin ang puwet mo. Tiyak malulustay yan sa mga bilanggo na hayuk sa laman. Yan yata ang hanaphanap mo, kaya ka nanggugulo. Buti nga sa yo.

    • boypalaban

       dapat baseball bat ang ginagamit sa wepaks niyan…o lata ng softdrinks….baka makahawa pa ng sakit yan…

      • rjimenez1226

        another good Catholic

      • boypalaban

        hahahha…di ako katoliko…pero ayoko sa idol mong gaya mong mukhang condom….

      • VindictivePanot

        sick bastos. naaawa ako sa magulang mo… they fail, big time!

    • rjimenez1226

      That’s a Catholic  for you.

      • cry_freedom

        How sure are you that prince_janus is a Catholic.

        That’s totally unfair for other Catholics, the majority of Catholics at that, for you to conclude that prince_janus is a Catholic because of what the blogger wrote.

        As if you are saying that people who write like prince_janus are Catholics.

        Totally unfounded, very biased, and very cruel conclusion that you have made here!

    • magsasakasanayon

      very classy and Christian-like comment. this one is a catholic? tsk tsk.

  • Journeys & Travels

    this is enshrined in the RPC to protect, not only the faithful of the Catholic church or at the Catholic Church only but any religious denomination for this matter, It was obvious that Carlos went overboard on this and the judge was acting on what is in on the law. The law, as they say, is harsh but it is the law. Suffice it to say, what if Carlos did the same to the Muslims and its mosque, will he be subjected to the same provision, yes. There are places where you can air grievances. personal or otherwise. You can never let the courts bow down to you simply because you are Carlos Celdran, or anyone for that matter, on the grounds that you are simply airing your grievances on the church, inside the church during its most sacred duty. Say it further, for academic discussion, the same acts are done in the halls of Malacanang and addressed to the President, will he be getting the same treatment under the laws, yes definitely. In this country, though we are democratic, we are bounds by the limits of what we can do which is justified. Does the acts of Carlos Celdran warrants this, of course, like every Filipino, he is bound by the law of this republic, not because he is Damaso or Carlos Celdran but because he is a Filipino. Foremost, Carlos should have realized that!

  • Jimbox88

    This is very wrong.

    I’m a catholic and I’m not offended.

    This is not against us, this is against the catholic “DAMASOS” who keeps on meddling in politics!

    • xrisp

      Kapatid, ang mga bagay bagay ay dapat ilagay sa tamang lugar. Madaling sabihin ng kahit sinong tao na mahal niya ang Diyos higit sa kanyang buhay subalit papaano niya naipapakita ang pagpapahalaga sa Diyos na sinasabi niyang mahal niya higit pa sa kahit anong bagay? Tayo ba bilang namamampalataya ay hahayaang mo na lang na mabastos ang Diyos sa ganoong pamamaraan na ginawa ng kapatid nating si Carlos? Kung sa palagay mo sa ginawa ni Carlos ay ang mga tao lang sa loob ng simbahan ang kanyang di iginalang lalo na nag mga pari, paumanhin kapatid na hindi ako sumasangayon sa iyo. Sa ganoong ginawa niya ay unagn una na hindi niya iginalang ang Diyos sapagkat ang simbahan ay luklukan ng ating Panginoong Diyos at di lamang ito sa mga simbahang Katoliko kung hindi sa kahit kanino pang relihiyon. Kung si Carlos ay naparusahan ng batas, maging daan nawa ito na makapagmunimuni siya sa sarili nya sa kanyang ginawa.

    • done_druff

      I am a Catholic and I’M OFFENDED!

      How’s that?!

      • mekeni62

        I am a Catholic and I was not offended. How about that.

      • done_druff

        Hindi ka katoliko!

      • mekeni62

        suit yourself. The reality is you did not feel offended. You are  just against the RH law and you are still barking tsk tsk tsk.
         

    • Don Dee

      He could have gone anywhere and exercised his right to free expression EXCEPT the church. Yun ang difference. Yung mga pari, they don’t go to the senate or congress to interfere with the RH debates. If the priests had done that, they should be arrested. But since it is Celdran who is the offending party he should pay the penalty.

      Subukan mong manggulo sa congress when it is in session. You will be arrested and jailed pronto. Ganun lang yan.

  • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

    IKULONG DIN ANG MGA PARENG PAKIALAMERO, MAHADERO, BUNTISERO, MANYAKIS… ETC. BAT SILA HINDI MAKULONG?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Pero dapat may magsampa ng kaso kanila! simulan mo kaya (suggestion lang po) at susuportahan kita! heheh

    • done_druff

      magsampa ka ng kaso! I’m sure maraming galit sa kanila — at isa ka na dun. Pero bakit alang nagsasampa?! Baka hindi naman totoo at panay angas lang!

    • juancrossofthe

      in the US the catholic clergies spend more than $1 billion dollar ! ! ! to settle about their crimes..molestation of children etc… but in the philippines.. the law and the corrupt government are scared of the church or the church is more powerful than the governmnet…thanks to Padre DAMASO .. still a lot who are scared of the SPANISH Friars… we need more the like of Jose Rizal to stand against these DAMASO/s

      • boypalaban

         pwede gaya ni rizal pero di gaya ni damaso celdran…

  • Albert Einstien

    those CARDINALS are NOT even CITIZENS of the COUNTRY they are ciitzens of VATICAN…..that is why They remit money to vatican NOT to PHILIPPINE TREASURY….once they accepted citizenship of vatican they ALREADY LOST PHILIPPINE CITIZENSHIP…

    celdran should have tried in vatican not in philippine courts…para naka vacation pa cya ….lol

    impliedly repealed na yan 1932 RPC art 133 ng 1987 constitution….lol

    celdran is a student of HISTORY & he knows very well the unforgivable CRIMES of the past….i salute you my friend even if we differ in our stand in RH law..

    “Isaiah 30:17 A thousand will flee at the threat of one; at the threat of five you will all flee away, till you are left like a flagstaff on a mountaintop, like a banner on a hill.”

    • done_druff

      Gosh! and you have the gall to carry the name of one of the brightest person ever lived! And you are big bopol to Cardinals are not citizen of this country!

      Wow!

      • Albert Einstien

        Vatican City the smallest independent state in the world by both area and population.
         
        The Pope is ex officio head of state of Vatican City, functions dependent on his primordial function as bishop of the diocese of Rome. The term Holy See refers not to the Vatican state but to the Pope’s spiritual and pastoral governance, largely exercised through the Roman Curia. His official title with regard to Vatican City is Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City.
         
        Vatican citizenship  has four categories: (1) the pope, (2) cardinals  (3) active members of the Holy See’s diplomatic corps, and (4) other directors of Vatican offices and services.

      • done_druff

        What you are taking is function-related citizenship! All cardinals are state-citizen by their respective countries.

      • tiriring

        Are they all Badings?

  • tiriring

    After all these SINS committed by Catholic clergy, people are still flocking to come to catholic church… satan is really the prince of this world…

    • done_druff

      Tell me what religion out there that their ministers did not sin?

      List them here:
      1. 

      • tiriring

        1. INC
        2.. J Witnesses
        3. 7th Day adventist
        4.  and all non catholics…

      • boypalaban

         and Tiri Ring Condom

      • done_druff

        With your example, you clearly confirm you state of mind by your name! Boo!

      • cry_freedom

        When one is deeply anti-Catholic, like Tiri Ring here, I’m afraid no amount of reason will pull that person to a healthy conversation. So let’s just leave Tiri Ring to his/her own device.

      • tiriring

        Why not consider the voice of the fool ?
        It might be a wisdom to your foolish belief… 
        Like worshiping of IDOLS…

      • cry_freedom

        Even beggars have stories to tell that enlightens one! But not the foolish ones…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Kung pumasok si Celdran sa Moslem mosque at ginawa nya yan ewan kung langnkung irespeto sya doon. Buti nga demanda sa iba baka kung ano ang kahinatnan nya Di ko kayang pumasok sa place of worship ng ibang relihiyon para insultuhin ang sino man. Ang ginawa ni Celdran ay too much disrespect .

  • cry_freedom

    I do not disagree with Celdran’s right to question the Catholic Church. That’s part of our freedom of expression. What I cannot agree is the way he expressed his freedom, disrupting a liturgical solemn celebration inside a house of worship, and worst near the altar.

    As a Catholic, the altar is one of the most holiest, if not the holiest part inside a holy place. And the method that Celdran employed to exercise his right deeply offended my sensibilities as a Catholic.

    Celdron could have protested in front of the Cathedral, or used the media, the blog, the streets. But doing it inside a house of worship during a solemn liturgical occasion is way, way off the accepted norm in a civilized society.

    We have to remember, there is no such thing as an absolute freedom!

    • magsasakasanayon

      and what do you say about priests who voice out their political stand against the RH bill (law) while he is near the sacred altar, during mass? 

      • boypalaban

         iba po ang political stand sa moral stand…

      • cry_freedom

        I’m afraid you missed the point I was driving at.

        Celdran’s method of expressing his freedom or opinion was disruptive of a solemn liturgical occasion. Whereas the priest who uses the Ambo to express
        his freedom or opinion is NOT disruptive of/disrupting a solemn liturgical occasion.

        Celdran’s act was not part of the liturgical event, whereas the priest’s act is
        part of the liturgical event – it is called a homily, which is part and parcel of the Holy Mass!

      • magsasakasanayon

        says who? the verdict was a violation of Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code. the accused did not offend Catholicism as a religion. he was critical of the priests and bishops who meddle with state policies. when the priests and bishops use the pulpit to criticize the government, ano pagkakaiba nila kay Celdran?

      • cry_freedom

        I rest my case.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing…

        The accused committed Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code ..ang batas para sa civil o secular na pananagutan…

        if u have dissatisfaction with the verdict of the court why not file a case of the judge who handed the verdict? it is very clear, first and foremost, the reasons mentioned of the violations committed by celdran..

        it was never mentioned that celdran was convicted by the case of Article 133 because he was critical of the priest, bishops or the Catholic Church as a whole..don’t twist the reasons of the verdict..Pinoy ka nga kung anu anong dahilan ang gagawin..napakalinaw ng mga punto sa kaso binigay ng korte…

      • magsasakasanayon

        you are correct. little learning is very dangerous.

        like i said before, i think Judge Juan Bermejo Jr. made a mistake in interpreting Art. 133 of the Revised Penal Code and the verdict will be easily reversed by the Court of Appeals.

        Also, you can’t just sue a judge because you don’t like his verdict. if the verdict is guilty, you can make an appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary.

        wag na pong magtali-talinuhan. di po bagay sa inyo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Ang pagkakaiba nila ang pari ay nasa teritoryo nya. Kung ang pari ay papasok sa simbahan ng ibang relihiyon at maymplacard at doon magsisigaw mali yon. Pero kung nasa loob ng simbahang katoliko, nasa mga parishioners na yun kung tatangapin nila ang political views nung pari.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Walang mag question sa iyo kung anong gawin mo sa sarili mong pamamahay. At wala namang pambabastos if RH Bill is the topic of the sermon..

      • magsasakasanayon

        hindi po pag-aari ng mga pari ang simbahan. so hindi po tama na gamitin ang altar para ipagsaksakan mo sa mga nagsisimba ang political stand mo at criticism against government policies.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        nakakatawa ka nmn.d nyo alam ang pinagsasabi nyo dre…

        tama po kau hindi pag aari ng mga pare ang simbahan ngunit hindi po hanggang doon n lamang…Fyi, ang kaparian  ang binigyan ng karapatan sa canon law na pwede lamang mag misa o mag consecrate ng misa at bahagi rin po diyan ang pagtuturo at paggabay sa kanyang nasasakupang parokya na imulat at ituro ang social teachings of the Church, katekismo, etc.

      • magsasakasanayon

        mas nakakatawa ka dahil akala mo lang na alam mo pinagsasabi mo. kung isesermon lang po ng mga pari na mali ang mga probisyon ng RH Law, kahanga-hanga po iyon. puwede na po natin silang tawaging crusaders. pero kung sasabihin po ng mga pari sa mga nagsisimba na hindi nila dapat iboto ang mga pulitikong advocate at sumusuporta sa RH Law, ibang usapan na po iyon. that’s no longer a homily. threat na po iyon. wala na po silang ipinagkaiba sa mga terorista. naunawaan n’yo na po ba?

      • cry_freedom

        Wrong again, the second time around. Your analogies are always off tangent.

        Really I rest my case!

      • magsasakasanayon

        you must be really confused. in any court of law, you can only rest your case once.

        LOL

      • cry_freedom

        Wrong again, for the fourth time. You see, your analogies are always off tangent.

        I’m not in the court of law. I’m in the court of bloggers!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Have you read the bible on how Jesus woe the Pharisees and Sadducees? On how Jesus told the people not to follow them? What the bishops and priests do is emulating Jesus.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        At sino ang gusto mong mag sermon sa altar, sina Edcel Lagman at Pia Cayetano???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Kung ang paring katoliko ay papasok sa place of worship ng ibang relihiyon with placards at doon magsisisigaw ng mga grievances o reklamo nya , tama na kasuhan. Pero kung ang pari ay nasa loob ng simbahang katoliko at doon mahinahon na nangangaral , anong masama? Ang politika ay di lang sa simbahang katoliko nababanggit. Maraming gumagawa nyan mas matindi pa yung iba.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Kahit ang ibang relihiyon ay bumabanggit din ng politika sa oras ng pangangaral. Yung iba nga block voting pa! Inuutusan ng ibang relihiyon ang mga tao nila kung sino ang iboboto , okey lang style nila yon na ituro kung sino ang tamang kandidato. Ang ginawa ni Celdran kahit saang panig ng mundo ay di ito tolerate! Kahi

    • $23228448

      As a Catholic, the altar is one of the most holiest, if not the holiest part inside a holy place. And the method that Celdran employed to exercise his right deeply offended my sensibilities as a Catholic.AND your not offended when the bishops use your so called holy alter for their political agenda…what a hypocrite 

      • cry_freedom

        Kindly refer to the rationale I expressed below in response to magsasakasanayon.

        And please do yourself a favor. Don’t be mad – you are already showing it when you attack the blogger as a hypocrite. Ikaw din, baka tumaas ang BP mo, gagastos ka pa niyan sa ospital.

        My unsolicited advice – hinay-hinay lang. Ika nga, relaks lang!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        dre, tlgang wla kang alam at nagmamarunong…indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing…

        ikaw ang nababagay tawaging hypocrite..nakisawsaw kau sa usaping binitawan ni cry_freedom na ang pinapakita ninyo lamang ay ang iyong kamangmangan..

        FYI, ang pulpito at altar ay magkaiba at magkahiwalay na lugar sa loob ng simbahan..ang pulpito ay ginagamit ito ng mga readers ng gospels o old testaments, pagbabasa ng pastoral letters kung meron man, dito rin ginagawa ang pagbibigay ng homiliya o sermon ng pare na base sa kanyang style kung anuman ang napapaloob sa kanyang homiliya…

        ang Altar ay ginagamit lamang (at NEVER mn lng ito ginamit gaya ng ginagawa sa pulpito) sa consecration, pag alala ng last supper, at panalangin..kya po ang celebrant, co-celebrant ng misa na pare o obispo lalong lalo na ang obispo (o ang pope) tinatanggal ang red cap na tinatawag na zucchetto (red cap for the bishops at white cap  for the pope) kung nasa harap o gitna ng altar na sila…it is a sign of respect, humility, etc. to God

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Ang ibang relihiyon ay inuutusan ang miembro nila kung sino ang iboboto. Yan daw ay paggabay sa mga miembro kung sino ang tamang tao na iboboto. Sa mga pangangaral ay may pulitika din. kung ang pari ay nag express ngmpolitical views sa loob ng simbahang katoliko nasa mga parishioners yon kung tanggap nila o hindi.

  • Fulpol

    natakot nga ang UP Diliman na ipalabas ni Harry Roque ang film about Muslim Prophet….

    wala pa sa mosque yan ha?

    paano na kaya kung ang pambabastos ni Celdran ay ginawa sa mosque…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Yang mga tong tulad ni Celdran ay parang aso. Hinahabol yong na sensed nilang natakot kaya nagawa niya sa RCC. Akala siguro sa lahat ng panahon magpakumbaba ang mga bishops. Even Jesus whipped those erring Jews. 

  • done_druff

    And Celdran is Catholic! Guess where is the respect here?! If you are an INC and did what he did, you will be expelled! 

    But where is Celdran now? He is STILL a Catholic! Talk about tolerance in the clergy?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      In INC expelled lang, sa Islam death sentence yan. Sa Catholic Church, the law of the state applies pero ginawa pa ring mali ang simbahan para sa ibang mga inggit.

      • done_druff

        Dami kasing galit sa simbahan dito kaya namemersonal!

        Iba naman talagang nang-aasar lang dahil makikita mo sa mga sinusulat — mga bopols!

  • Fulpol

    Pia Cayetano, Meriam, Risa Hontiveros at Edcel Lagman…

    to the rescue….

    • boypalaban

       dami nang pera niyan…batas na ang RH Bill…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Dahil once lang naman niyang ginawa yan ang parusa dapat ay pagwalisin sya at pagiskobahin ng church courtyard. Mga 5 simbahan a day ang lilinisin nya sa loob ng 5 buwan. Kailangan spotlessly clean! Iskobahin nya ang courtyard!

  • juancrossofthe

    there are so many stupid laws created in the philippines to suppress tthe free speech and freedom of expressions.. they should be ammended … some of these are made to protect the people in power.. like the libel laws..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Free speech?? Supposed papasok ako sa pamamahay mo at magsigaw-sigawan ako sa mga kabulastugan mo sa buhay (wag mong sabihing wala), How would you feel, How would you react? Tiyak tatawag ka ng pulis or mas grabe pa ang gawin mo.. Hindi OK sa inyo pero kung sa iba mangyari OK lang para sa ‘yo..

  • 444mangyan888

    “I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that, when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court and put you in jail,”
     I am also cirtical of my bishops, at times. and i have reminded them several times in this space about the issues of meddling in state affairs.But i make sure that i do it within the prescribed rules of decency and civil respect..!!!What you did is really uncalled for and go beyond the bounds of what our democracy promises as equal rights..!!!You try doing that doing that while i am attending a mass and i might shoot you myself..!!! Right in front of the altar..!!! Something that i will really have to deal with GOD later.
    Had you done that in Luneta or Plaza miranda, most of us would have been amused and could have paused to listen to the issues brewing before us..!!!   I think you’re moronic.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Hindi pag question ang ginawa ni Celdran kundi pambabastos. Binababoy nya sarili nya.. And why are you afraid for the Filipino people? Isn’t the majority (80%) are Catholic Christians? Ang mga bastos lang ang dapat matakot. O, baka isa ka rin..

    • magsasakasanayon

      so, if your priest, during mass, tell you his political stand against government policies, will you shoot him too?

      • 444mangyan888

        No..!!
        but if he disrespect me and trample my most fundamental rights of worship, then, i might not be able to control myself…
        cheers..

      • magsasakasanayon

        so your right to worship is absolute while the right to express your opinion is not?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        basta lng may masabi hala sige..hahaha…

        may batas na dapat sundin..at mind u dre, there is no such thing as absolute freedom..kung meron man para saan pa ang mga batas na ginawa ng tao (civil/secular)? ginawa ang batas ng tao sa isang sibilisadong lipunan para sa KAAyusan—order…

        o bka nmn dre kailangan nyo pa manonood ng planet earth patungkol sa mga hayop sa antartica kung papaano sila rin nabubuhay sa ilang at papaano sila dpat mabuhay kasama ang kanyang lahi atbp…khit papaano mauunawaan at maiintidihan nyo na sa mga hayop na nga may order eh tao pa kaya…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        You can express your opinion at the right place, anytime! Paano ko ito tolerate na habang nakikinig ako ng misa ay may protesters? Sabihin natin na di simbahang katoliko ang pinasok ni Celdran, sabihin kaya ng ibang relihiyon na, it’s okey, it’s okey take your time and feel comfortable. Do you need some drinks? Sa ibang relihiyon sipa ang aabutin nya!

      • magsasakasanayon

        that’s the point. celdran was criticizing the priests and bishops for meddling with government policies. puwede rin po namang ipahiwatig ng mga pari at obispo ang pagtutol nila sa RH Law pero sa tamang lugar din po. sa kalye rin po sila dapat magprotesta. HINDI HABANG NAGMIMISA! naunawaan na po ba?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Kung ang isang paring katoliko ay papasok sa simbahan ng ibang relihiyon habang nangangaral yung pastor , at yung pari ay may placard at doon sisigaw may karapatan yung relihiyon na yon na idemanda yung pari. kung ang pari ay nagsalita ng politika sa loob ng simbahang katoliko nasa mga katoliko ang pasya! Kung may ginawang masama yung pari ang mga parishioners ang pwedeng magpatanggal sa kanya. Ang mga pari ay tao, tao sila na nakagagawa din ng mali . Nasa mga parishioners ang pasya!KUNG ANG PARI AY PAPASOK SA SIMBAHAN NG IBANG RELIHIYON AT DOON MAGSISISIGAW , TAMA NA PARUSAHAN!

    • Don Dee

      Not really moronic but KSP. Epal is the new term for it, but I like the old KSP better, mas appropriate.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Igalang mo ang relihiyon ng iba! Pumasok ka pa at doon nang insulto! tapos freedom of speech ang sinasabi mo? Kung may intruder na pumasok sa bahay mo at insultuhin ang pamilya mo , okey lang sa yo yon? Sa mga Moslem di nila pinababayaan ang di pagrespeto sa kanila. Respeto lang Celdran!

    • Don Dee

      I have to agree. I was a Catholic. Now that I do not agree with their politics, I don’t go to church anymore. Fine by them, fine by me. We should all live and let live. Don’t ever go into someone’s “house” and disrespect the residents. You do that in my house and I will shoot you dead. Pasalamat siya na kahit paano, hindi ganun ang mga pari. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      tama ka dre

      hindi kasi siguro yan nag aral ng philosophy of man lalong lalo na sa usaping human freedom–absolute ba ito, structured freedom ba ito, etc? at kung nag aral mn yan bka sadyang matigas tlga ang ulo at gusto lng niya ipakita ang kanyang tunay na breeding at asal at ang pagiging manhid sa sibilisadong lipunang kanyang ginagalawan-

      o kailangan nya ulit magbasa basa ng mga katha nila rene descartes, jean-paul sartre, atbp. o sa mga katha ng mga existentialists at phenomenologists na sina gabriel marcel, albert camus…para man lng timbangin at unawain ang kalayaan ng isang tao sa mundong kanyang ginagalawan, sa sarili niya mismo at sa ibang tao at tingnan ang sarili sa kasalukuyang panahon at lipunang may alituntunin at batas na dapat sundin para sa kaayusan ng lahat…sa usaping natural law, lahat nga may order gaya ng pag ikot ng mundo, pagsibol at pagkamatay o pagsapit ng dapit-hapon atbp..

  • sikatngaraw

    Sa labas ng simbahan ka dapat nag pa showy para naman respeto sa kapwa mo filipino , hindi parating tama ang nasa isip mot diwa igalang mo rin ang sa iba para walang gulo.

    • glg_ph

       tama po, ang naghabla sa kanya ay mga parokyano hindi mga pare kasi ang inagrabyado nya ay ang kanyang kapwa at hindi ang simbahan.

  • sikatngaraw

    Wag mong lahatin ang catholic clergy kahit saan yan meron kan makikita maski sa grupo mo,!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SC573R5VTMJ6ISRH635DJ2XVLI San

    The Phil Catholic Church does not take criticism well.  It has really lost more and more followers cuz of its out-dated and hypocrital leaders.

    • done_druff

      Ah really? How many were punished and/or sent to jail because they were critical to the Church? 

      Let’s start counting here. 

    • boypalaban

      dapat nanggulo ka sa pista ng Nazareno at pista ng Sto Nino…i-expose mo mga manyakis na pari gaya ng idol mong si damaso puwetbunganga  celdran…

      • antonioluna

        ops ops ops… name-calling yan… hahahahaha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GF6GAVVTQJ5AFIJVPU4ZYHXO7I Bong, Leigh, Mel

       mas lalo lang pinatunayan ng mga pari na tama si Celdran… ipakulong talaga. Si Kristo na itinuturo nila Ebanghelyo e ganun din kaya ang gagawin idemanda nila at ipakulong.

      • boypalaban

        bakit di mo subukan mamigay ng condom habang ang mga tao nakapila para magkomunyon?

      • antonioluna

        at habang namimigay ng condom ay tumae sa ilalim ne mesa… ay, wait… antayin nating kumakain ang ating kamag-anakan… woohoooo! sarap!

      • boypalaban

         ebanghelyo ba ang condom at contraceptives…at pangungurakot?

      • antonioluna

        siempre hindi.  paano mo naman naiisip yan?  ay, teka, naiisip mo nga palang tumae sa ilalim ng mesa habang may kumakain…  hmmm… kaya pala…

    • sikatngaraw

      Ibig mong sabihin “in” ka ngayon sa grupo ng pagsamba mo?isa ka sa marupok na hindi kaya magbigay ng pagbabago sa dati mong pananapalataya! Ikaw ang lumalabas na hypocrite

  • rex

    freedom of speech can be expressed in a right place and time. simple as that. you must pay the consequences of your action. thank you po.

  • tiriring

    The GREAT BETRAYAL by Charles Chiniquy  … a catholic priest story.
    MUST READ….

  • sikatngaraw

    Isa ka sa tsismosa na walang basehan sige ang pakalat ng balita , wag mong isolo sa simbahan lang catholic yan maski sa ibang grupo meron ganyan at sa privado, ingat ka pag natutong buwleta ang bawat catholico sa inyo! Kung balak mong sirain ang relihiyon ngng nakakararami!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Sabi ng human rights watch mali dahil may free speech daw. DEMOCRACY daw! Ibig sabihin pwedeng pumasok ang g mga tao sa place of worship na may dalang placard at sisigaw ng mga insulting words? Kahit saang panig ng mundo di pinapayagan yang papasok ka sa loob at doon magra rally. Hahahaha! HUMAN RIGHTS WATCHERS you must be joking!!! sooooo s…id

    • motorcyclemama

       Weird, but this time I agree with the LAW.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GF6GAVVTQJ5AFIJVPU4ZYHXO7I Bong, Leigh, Mel

    haay bakit kaya ganun? yung mga Pari dati na nagkakaso sa child rape, sa child abuse etc protected ng Catholic Church at inaalagaan pa sa mga bahay pari … I think yung isa dating Parish Priest sa CEBU, and a lot of them na pari may cover up na sabi lang nila.. bakit si celdran kulong naman wala bang pardon na ibigay nalang mas lalo lang masisisra ang CBCP eh..

    • done_druff

      How can you pardon a person who denies he committed a mistake? Sige na…

    • warpiglets

      magkaibang senaryo yang mga sinasabi mo.. hirap sa mga ibang netizens nagmamarunong di naman naintindihan mga koneksyon ng mga pangyayari.. less talk less mistake..

  • mekeni62

    Jesus offended these priests almost everytime he meets them. He called them hypocrites and he was crucified. Lucky for Celdran he still alive.

  • Anton_Agaton

    Nangulo sa misa, GUILTY. Mga senador na nagnanakaw sa pera ng bayan, HONORABLE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GF6GAVVTQJ5AFIJVPU4ZYHXO7I Bong, Leigh, Mel

     ulitin ko lang ang post mo…  The GREAT BETRAYAL by Charles Chiniquy  … a catholic priest story.
    MUST READ – lalo ng mga nagbabangit ng respect respect respect…

  • nakawan

    Article 133 states: “The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” So the law is pretty clear on the penalty for offending religious feelings.

    I don’t like the Catholic Church meddling in state affairs any more than Celdran does, but he did not have to disrespect them like that so as to avoid this nuisance of a jail term he now has to serve. In fairness, the law does not target offenses solely to the Catholic Church, it would apply to any religion or faith.

    • done_druff

      Now somebody is talking sense!

    • noypi_ako

      well said..

  • Philcruz

    It is the judge who should be tried and sent to jail.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JOSZ2TW24FKJLQA6R3D24RZ24Y freemystic

    He should go to jail.  Maybe with the Russian punks. I’m against censorship of freedom of expression.  But this tenet also has its limits.  It cannot be abused for the sake of “expression” because it also violates other people’s freedom to express their religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GF6GAVVTQJ5AFIJVPU4ZYHXO7I Bong, Leigh, Mel

     Si Dr Jose Rizal na kinilala nating Pambansang bayani at kinikilala din sa ibang bansa…. Bakit nya binastos din ang mga Pari noon sa mga sinulat nya?

    • boypalaban

      excuse me…..patunayan mo na si Rizal ang pambansang bayani…kapag nagawa mo…ikaw na ang pinakatotoong nagsasabi dito…

      • antonioluna

        kapag nagawang mong tumae sa ilalim ng mesa habang kumakain ang kamag-anakan mo… ikaw na ang pinakatotoong nagsasabi dito…

  • edleon

    Celdran should have done it outside the church…

    • Don Dee

      Correct. He would have exercised his right to free expression without violating the rights of others to religion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AX6JJVDK2YVZ56DN4TTOMJFRHI Doods

    YES! GOD FORGIVES BUT NOT THE CLERGIES…..TOO BAD……

    • boypalaban

      patawarin na rin pala mga ayaw magsisi na mga rapists, arsonists, murderers, …galing ng analysis mo….idol na kita….

      • done_druff

        Doods, 

        Baka nakakalimutan mong kailangan mo munang umamin ng kasalan mo bago ka patawarin ng Dyos!

        Yang si Carlita ayaw umamin sa kasalanan! Mayabang at bastos!

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      God forgives???kailan mo nalaman? nagsabi ba sayo, nakita mo ba sa panaginip na forgiven an si celdran??nahihibang ka na yata…kagaya ng mga born against, itaas lang ang kamay at lahat ng kasalanan wala na…

  • Taiko_Kauna

    1939  SC ruling pa pala ang binabasehan ni Judge, aba’y pre-war pa at  di pa isinilang si  Celdran. Tiyak mga “conionists” at die hard catholics ang mga huwes sa korte ng time na yon.  Ang basis dapat ay ang old maxim na “ignorance of the law is not an excuse”. Ganoon pala kasipag maghalongkat ng batas ang mga huwes kapag gawan ka ng paraang  maparusahan. 

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    Celdran must be Jailed!! He violated the law, and issuing apologies is not enough.

    In other news: a CBCP bishop’s birthday wish was granted by Gloria Arroyo, through PCSO, SUV Bishops……errr…… apologized……errr.. WTF

  • JOSE RIZAL

    did he offended the faithful or damaso’s? i think the latter was offended. the hypocrites are offended. his act has nothing to do with sullying the faithfuls’ faith. amused them maybe for there could be a handful of them who knew rizal’s novel about the damaso’s. the prosecutor and the judge who handled the case are as damaso’s as the roman church who had duped the gullible into believing that they are the proper conduits of saving their soul.

    • boypalaban

      his supporters including you are offended because they have “lost” an icon of condom…

  • http://www.facebook.com/sabino.vallecer Sabino Vallecer

    dapat lang kay celdran yon .pwude naman gawin yong expression nya sa labas kahit isang araw pa. kung ginawa nya yong sa muslim ay nako hindi na talaga siya sisiskatan nang araw.

  • Albert Einstien

    reply to DONE_DRUFF : on your post ” Gosh! and you have the gall to carry the name of one of the brightest person ever lived! And you are big bopol to Cardinals are not citizen of this country.”

    : read carefully my friend: CARDINALS are NOT even CITIZENS of the COUNTRY they are ciitzens of VATICAN…..that is why They remit money to vatican NOT to PHILIPPINE TREASURY….once they accepted citizenship of vatican they ALREADY LOST PHILIPPINE CITIZENSHIP…

    celdran should have tried in vatican not in philippine courts…para naka vacation pa cya ….lol

    Vatican City the smallest independent state in the world by both area and population.

    The Pope is ex officio head of state of Vatican City, functions dependent on his primordial function as bishop of the diocese of Rome. The term Holy See refers not to the Vatican state but to the Pope’s spiritual and pastoral governance, largely exercised through the Roman Curia. His official title with regard to Vatican City is Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City.

    Vatican citizenship has four categories: (1) the pope, (2) cardinals (3) active members of the Holy See’s diplomatic corps, and (4) other directors of Vatican offices and services

    • done_druff

      I wrote to you:

      The cardinals’ citizenship is merely functional and state sanctioned. 

      • Albert Einstien

        nge….parang blakubak lang a…je je…….ano kaya yun….naintindihan mo po ba sinsabi mo…..lol

      • done_druff

        Kita mo na. Nagquoquote ka ng Wikipedia dito tapos di mo naiintindihan?!

        Re-read what I wrote… kung hindi mo naintidihan then dapat palitan mo na handle mo!

      • Albert Einstien

        ha ha…ito po shampoo…alamin mo po kung ano ibig sabihin ng INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN STATE …..ha..para po sa kapakanan mo yan…..lol

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AX6JJVDK2YVZ56DN4TTOMJFRHI Doods

    Kapag ang mga Damaso ang nasasakdal sa Pilipinas sa mga kasong Sexual at Child Abuse walang napaparusahan. Kapag ang Clergy naman ang siyang nagdemanda, MABILIS ang nagiging hatol ng hukuman.
    Shall we say that “CLERGIES ARE ABOVE THE LAW”???????????

    • done_druff

      Talaga? Nasaan ang kaso? May nagfile bang kaso?

      Panay dakdak lang eh at ala naman maipakita.

      Sabi ko nga sayo, gawin nya sa ibang religion yan at sure akong same ang verdict dyan!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFMVY7VZKE4VDDFMWSDWG6HYDM jigo

    hindi maialis ang karapatan ni celdran na magprotesta laban sa relihiyong katolika (sa mga pari..obispo..at iba pang mga alagad ng simbahan) pero huwag naman po sa loob mismo ng simbahan na kung saan may namimisang obispo o pari…kahit akoy isang katoliko…wala akong pakialam ano man ang gawin ni celdran sa labas ng simbahan pero wag naman po sa loob……kung tayo ay may karapatan meron din po tayong obligasyon.konting respeto naman po…
    kung sa ibang relihiyon pa nya ginawa yun di lang sya kalabuso baka pugot-ulo pa sya

    • jashs

      tama ka diyan kaibigan …

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UW2U5GS3TZRH44KE5GQRARFJ24 angeles

    Celdran should not go to jail but must be admitted to NCMH.

    • done_druff

      Dapat sa jail na para magamit nya yung mga condoms nyang pinamimigay. Ipamigay nya sa mga ka-kosa nya sa CJ. Dala sya maraming petroleum jelly!

  • Platypus09

    The second fall of Rebellious Jose Rizal…!!,

    This time, Rizal will go to jail forever. He has more adversaries than sympathizers. Well, he never had too much sympathizers back then, except the infamous Katipunero rebels.

    Rizal is getting courageous this time but still out of place. He has no more sympathy, being rude as he was recently, plus there are no more Spaniards in our country.

    We are in a society that needs refinement, order and peaceful talks. He was simply out of place.

    The rebel Rizal struck the church, and our goevernment will strike him big time.

    • done_druff

      Pardon me, but I can not equate such idyet for my national hero.

      Rizal did his “revolt” in a peaceful and non-disruptive manner. This Celdran is just dressed as Rizal with lots of condoms in his pockets!

      • tiriring

        Celdran has the nerve to do that in your catholic place may be because all you worship there are IDOLS, crafted from pieces of wood and ceramics…

      • done_druff

        Hahaha… talaga nga naman oo, you DID confirm your state of mind by your replies!

        Baka nakakalimutan mong “devout” Catholic daw si Celdran! 

        Uy ate, kasama sya sa idol worshippers oh!

      • Platypus09

        Out of topic, pls..

      • boypalaban

        and your idol is no other than CONDOM…

      • antonioluna

        and your idol?  an ebak! (pero dapat nasa ilalim ng mesang kainan)

      • tiriring

        No condoms yet at that time, otherwise, Rizal must have boxes of them.

  • Platypus09

    BTW, yes the world is round and is turning..

    Like they say, “As The World Turns”…

  • Geoff D.

    ACT NO. 3815 
    8 DECEMBER 1930 

    THE REVISED PENAL CODE OF THE PHILIPPINES
    AN ACT REVISING THE PENAL CODE AND OTHER PENAL LAWS 
    ~
    BOOK TWO CRIMES AND PENALTIES
    ~
    TITLE TWO
    CRIMES AGAINST THE FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF THE STATE 
    CHAPTER ONE 
    ARBITRARY DETENTION OR EXPULSION, VIOLATION OF DWELLING, PROHIBITION, INTERRUPTION, AND DISSOLUTION OF PEACEFUL MEETINGS AND CRIMES AGAINST RELIGIOUS WORSHIP
    ~
    SECTION FOUR. — Crimes against religious worship

    Art. 132. Interruption of religious worship. — The penalty of prison correctional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon any public officer or employee who shall prevent or disturb the ceremonies or manifestations of any religion. If the crime shall have been committed with violence or threats, the penalty shall be prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods.

    Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.

    —X—X—X—

    First and foremost, I have nothing against Carlos Celdran. I personally admire him for his passion and dedication on all of his advocacy.

    Yesterday, he was sentenced by Judge Juan Bermejo Jr. of the Manila MTC Branch 4, “guilty beyond reasonable doubt” of the crime of “offending religious feelings” under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code.

    This was the result of a case filed against him by the Rector of the Manila Cathedral, Msgr. Cerbo, after his stint on an Ecumenical Service last 30 September 2012 inside the Cathedral where he, dressed-up like national hero Jose Rizal, went near the altar, raised a placard with the word “Damaso” above his head then shouted “Stop getting involved in politics!” lambasting the local Catholic Church for interfering in the affairs of the State, particularly in the Church’s pursuit against the passage of the Reproductive Health (RH) bill or the Republic Act 10354.

    As the news of his conviction spread throughout every means, many argue that this is a suppression of Freedom of Speech and that the Catholic Church is just being vindictive because of his advocacy of the RH Bill which was just passed into law.

    But for me, the core of the issue is, did he violate the law?… sad to say, yes.

    Should he serve time for his violation of the law? yes. Why?

    Art. 133 is not solely for Catholics, it protects all religious denominations of their right to practice and conduct their liturgical services w/o being offensively interfered.

    What if someone who is totally against Same Sex Marriage did the same stint as Carlos on an LGBTQ Church at the middle of a same sex marriage with a placard lambasting GLBTQs, I guess everyone will feel that what that person did was totally uncalled for, offended their feelings, and disrespected their faith. I assume that one of those present or the minister would recourse to legal means so that this instances would not happen again.

    Or what if this scenario happened on a Mosque, where someone again did the same stint as Carlos and placed a placard lambasting Muslims. The same feeling of offense will arise from those present and would seek justice for the disrespect done. Thank goodness the Sharia law is not observed on our country or else, that person would have a greater punishment.

    The freedom of speech, enshrined in the Philippine Constitution, Article III, Section 4 of the Bill of Rights, stipulates that: “No law shall be passed abridging the freedom of speech, of expression, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances.”

    Art. 133 does not abridge Sec. 4 and compliments Sec. 5’s provision that states “The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed.”

    Should the majority of the Filipino People feels that the Law is no longer adequate in protecting our rights as a citizenry and as an individual, the Law can be repealed through legislation by making our voices heard by our elected legislators in both Senate and House of Representatives.

    If Carlos did his stint outside the Cathedral, I’m sure that what he did was protected by the Bill of Rights and that the Catholic Church could not file a case against him nor would Mayor Lim has a right to have him arrested, and we will not have him be set an example for this provision of the law.

    • Albert Einstien

      act 3815 Article 1. Time when Act takes effect. – This Code shall take effect on the first day of January, nineteen hundred and thirty-two…NOT 1930 po

      impliedly repealed na yan provision ng 1932 RPC art 133 ng 1987 constitution HINDI lang ininvoke ng lawyer nya…pwede pa i-invoke yan sa appeal…issue of jurisdiction din yan….

      celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

      celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….religious exercise yan..there is NO BETTER place na pagsumbongan nya kundi sa HOUSE of GOD….mahirap na kung sa ibang house ..parang sa lower house ..e sigurado hindi po sya pakikinggan..

      NO LAW of MEN or even law of GOD has been VIOLATED…in fact GOD will reward him for being truthful & faithful.. by bringing up ..what he thinks is CONTRARY to his FAITH…

      • done_druff

        Ikaw na lang mag-lawyer at marunong ka pala eh.

      • done_druff

        And he is since out of bail today, please tell her to go to Quiapo Grand Mosque and make SUMBONG to Allah that many of His flock sow terror in the world!

        Dali para mas dramatic!

      • wakats

        Wrong citation.  Article III is about Bill of Rights – the right of every citizen, among others, to exercise and enjoy religious profession and worship.

        Celdran did the uncivilized act of disrupting an ecumenical service attended by church dignitaries and hundreds of faithfuls – an unthinkable deed only done by zealots and cannot be considered as an exercise of religious belief.

        think again…

      • Albert Einstien

        religious belief is personal & subjective my friend…the best person who can ATTEST to that is celdran himself…not any OTHER person…lol

    • Platypus09

      Yes, we have freedom of speech and others, but they have to be done properly.

      Outrageous displays of these behaviors are way out of control, especially if they are getting public nuisances. Thus, they have to be stopped and teach everyone big time lessons.

      This outrageous behavior is only acceptable during revolution, but this is way out of control in our peaceful times.

      Sorry, Rizal. You are not thinking right anymore. It’s jail time.

      What have you been smoking lately?

  • Don Dee

    I am pro RH. But Celdran over-stepped the bounds of good taste and apparently broke the law when he “invaded” the place where people were exercising their right to religion. You don’t do that. I would have supported all his dramatics in the streets, or in his residence — anywhere else, but no, you don’t go to a church (or a mosque) where people are praying.

    Man up Celdran. You did the crime. You must do the time.

  • warpiglets

    celdran is no jose rizal.. kasi si rizal mahilig sa mga tsiks at si celdran mahilig sa mga boys..

    • done_druff

      hahahaha!

    • tiriring

      They are both product of catholic faith…

    • boypalaban

       tama ka…

      • VindictivePanot

        t@e ka

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZKG3OVJT6TYPL5UGGZENQRK3Q Ej

    Good for you.

  • joshua kings

    if celdran did what he did in a muslim mosque, baka ina-hunting na siya ngayon or he would be long dead….
    he is simply an egomaniac, Kulang-Sa-Pansin and ‘bastos.’
    he deserved what he got as punishment from the court.
    and the catholic church did well in forgiving him.
    yung mga ibang nakikisawsaw dyan, like this human rights group, tumigil nga kayo dyan dahil wala sa lugar ang ginawa ng bata ninyo.. kung sa labas ng simbahan niya ginawa yun, pwede pa.

    i have a question for him and this human rights etc::
    what would he do if someone barged inside his home without permission and an invitation, shouting and disrespecting the household members, while his family is having their supper?

    if he believes in God, he should repent for what he did. ‘desecrating’ the house of God is a big sin.
    if he is an atheist, well, he is hopeless.

    • magsasakasanayon

      what would you do if you go to church one peaceful sunday morning expecting a solemn mass when all of a sudden your priest told you not to vote for politicians who are pro-RH Law and vote only for politicians who are anti-RH law, regardless of their personalities? will you not be offended? isn’t that also “desecrating” the house of God?

      • cry_freedom

        Desecration – the act of depriving something of it’s sacred character, or the disrespectful or contemptuous treatment of that which is held to be sacred or holy by a group or individual.

      • magsasakasanayon

        correct. i go to church to hear mass and try to communicate with God. to me that is sacred and holy. when the priest would suddenly start telling me who to vote for or against, that is disrespectful to me.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        the priest is not saying the names, he is saying the characteristics of the person that should not be voted!

      • magsasakasanayon

        nonsense. the only characteristic they are mindful of is if the candidates are pro or anti RH Law. mikey arroyo is anti-RH Law. will you vote for him?

      • cry_freedom

        Wrong again, for the third time. As I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, your analogies are always off tangent.

        Now I really really will rest my case!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Sabi nga ng human rights watch, undemocratic ang hatol kay Celdran! So ibig sabihin tama ang ginawa ni Celdran. Kung ako ay nakikinig ng misa sa loob ng simbahan at may pumasok na mga protesters with placards at magsisisigaw doon , pabayaan ko lang dahil human rights nila yon at yan ang diwa ng democracy! Pag may pumasok na protesters habang nagmimisa ang pari , pabayaan lang dahil yan ay democracy. Gawin ni Celdran yan sa place of worship ng ibang relihiyon at tiyak agaw buhay syang lalabas.

    • done_druff

      Mabuti kung buhay pa siyang lalabas!

    • boypalaban

       …at di lang mga pari ang nandoon…may rabbi, mga protestante ministro, mga opisyal ng pulis at military, etc…

      nagpapansin kasi mahina yata ang raket sa panloloko sa mga turista sa intramuros…

      pinanonood ko dati yung sa cable na nagga-guide yan sa intramuros…wala sa ayos mga sinasabi…mga gawa gawa lang…ewan ko kung saan niyan natutunan mga kabulastugan ng pangloloko sa historical facts na pinanloloko lalo sa mga dayuhang turista…

      • antonioluna

        eh yung “boy” na mahilig tumae sa ilalim ng mesa? nandun din ba?

      • boypalaban

         oo nakita kita e…tae ni cabonce…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5QJUD47DAPM2Y5J3AEMCE2C624 John TWT

    Freedom of speech, yes. Rudeness and disrespect, no.

    • lucidlynx

      Being rude or disrespectful is not a crime, get it?

  • holydonkeyballs

    Art. 133 of the Revised Penal Code – Offending Religious Feelings

    The elements are:

    1. That the acts complained of were performed (1) in a place devoted to religious worship, or (2) during the celebration of any religious ceremony.
    2. That the acts must be notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.

    In the case at bar, Celdran entered the church, while the mass was ongoing, stood in front of the altar, then shouted “Damaso.” All the elements of the crime concur, hence the judge is correct in finding the accused guilty of a violation of Art. 133 of the RPC.

    Hindi ako pro-Catholic, pero kung titingnan mo ang Art. 133 at ang ginawa ni Celdran, malinaw na nilabag niya ang batas.

    • lucidlynx

      That is just the Penal Code. Freedom of expression is enshrined in the Constitution.

      • holydonkeyballs

        Yes, however the constitutional right to expression must still be exercised with caution. I doubt the framers of our Constitution intended said right to be abused this way.

        Put another way, if we tolerate this kind of action, what would stop other people from standing in front of the altars of all of the other religions? Now that is a bad precedent.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      dami kasi dito bobo, di nakaintindi! lalo na un mga born again dito! paano un ulo nila sa logbet nila!

      • holydonkeyballs

        Ang hirap ngang magpaliwanag minsan eh. Pero wag nalang tayong gumamit ng mga salitang hindi naman kailangan hahaha

    • Ravens727

      Baka yong mga pari lang ang na offend, dahil baka karamihan ang nagsimba noong araw na yon eh hindi pa nila kilala si Padre Damaso.  No doubt they heard the name Padre Damaso before  but they don’t know his works or what he did  during the Spanish Era…..

      • Don Dee

        I am not even Catholic and I wasn’t in that service and yet I am offended. What do you say to that? Wala na rin akong right to get offended?

  • krizzibarra

    The Inquisition Is Alive And Well In The Philippines.  More Fun Indeed. Welcome To The Dark Ages.

    • done_druff

      Where is the Inquisition? Come on name it so we can scrutinize your conclusion. Panay grand statement eh!

      • lucidlynx

        The case against Celdran is the Inquisition. In this case, the catholic church used our courts to do so.

        May alam ka ba?

      • NinjaMan

         define inquisition, you moron. the church did the right thing by bringing it to the courts. that’s the legal and right way. it’s up to the courts to decide if the church is right or if celdran’s antics is justifiable. you don’t like the verdict? blame the court.

    • pinoyobserver

      Ridiculously ridiculous. LOL.

    • boypalaban

      pwede ba tumae sa loob ng bahay ninyo sa lamesa ninyo habang kumakain kayo? gusto ko tumae doon e…freedom ko yun di ba?

      • antonioluna

        huh?!? may bagong invention ngayon, hijo… “adult diapers”… try mo, para hindi ka masyadong nagkakalat habang may kumakain…  ganda ng takbo ng utak mo no?  na try mo ipa-calibrate yan? baka may turnilyo nang maluwag.

      • boypalaban

        tatae ako sa loob ng bahay ninyo sa lamesa ninyo habang kumakain kayo? gusto ko tumae doon e…freedom ko yun di ba?

      • VindictivePanot

        paano kaya natitiis ng magulang mo na kunsintihin ang habit mong tumae sa mesa habang may kumakain?  may deperensya ba sila sa pang-amoy? o hindi ka talaga nagpapa-awat sa fetish mo?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      do it again inside the church and we will not hesitate to harm you! if you dont like it with us, do it in mosque. let s see if you can get out alive. 

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    wrong…freedom is NOT doing what you wanty to do…it is DOING WHAT YOU OUGHT to do…

    there is a big difference of want from ought…

     “Freedom of expression is the lifeblood of a free society” YES, but not all exppressions are right…and if u think to urself it is right, DO IT IN A PROPER PLACE!

    • holydonkeyballs

      Exactly.

    • lucidlynx

      freedom is what it is…nothing more and nothing less, as long as it is not against the law. freedom of speech is guaranteed by the constitution. any so-called law that runs contradictory to it is inferior and therefore the superior law should be upheld.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        correct…as long as it is not against the law…and what celdran did? not agianst the law? the penal code itself is clear on religious sensibilities…another…do it in a proper place…you want to rebuke, mock these bishops…do it in mendiola…do it in edsa or NLEX…who cares, right? not in the middle of worship of these people who are also exercising their right to religion…

      • NinjaMan

         pwede ka ba sumigaw sa loob ng bahay ng ibang tao? or sa loob ng hospital nursery kung saan natutulog mga bagong silang na mga sanggol? and then claim freedom of speech?
        use your head, if you have one, you moron.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    No it is not, but let people decide whether Celdran went too far or not.
    ——————–

    not all will of the people are correct…

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    you tell that to celdran…and invoke the right of expression…

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    you tell that to celdran and invoke the right to expression

  • Platypus09

    Justice served, the way it should be.

    Time to teach all of us, Filipinos, to really think twice what we are doing to others around us.

    There is no such thing as absolute freedom where you can do just whatever you want to do irregardless of what others feel and whether or not they are being offended.

    Our current laws and morality define and refine those to acceptable norms, which most of us are not used to do. We like to think that it is okey to drive recklessly in spite of road laws, but technically lots of Filipino drivers who drive the way they are are law violators but minor crimes punishable by fines, jail time and loss of driving privileges.

    • lucidlynx

      I am offended by what you said. So does that mean I can sue you?

      • Platypus09

        ??? and more ???

    • antonioluna

      Did you also think twice on your comment?  As what you are implementing, “There is no such thing as absolute freedom”  So who gave you the right to post your own personal views here and offend those who do not side with you.

  • Jimbox88

    Mt. 23:25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, youhypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, butinside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.Hypocrites! When someone like cruz blasphemed that face of Jesus Christ wala sila ginawa. Ngaun nakanti lang kunti demanada na.

    • lucidlynx

      Ha-ha! You are quoting the bible to defend the bible.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      tell that to your pastors who fooled you of 10% collection!

    • boypalaban

       walang ginawa? nasaang planeta ka ba?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      galing nyo nman kulto..hahaha…

      sino ba ang nagpataw ng parusa kay ginoong celdran? simbahan ba? o ang batas ng pamahalaan natin? korte ang nagpataw sa kanya..kya tumahimik kau mga kulto…

      sa kaso ni cruz, hindi gawain ng simbahan na dalhin siya sa krote para sa kalapastangang ginawa nya..humingi ng kapatawaran sa Kaitasaan ang Inang Simbahan gaya ng pagdapa sa harap ng altar gaya ng napabalita sa tv..hayaan nlng ang taong cruz na ito..sigurado ako sa bandang huli ang kalikasan ang sisingil sa kanya…

    • prince_janus

       Pa-intelihente effect ka pa! Ang purol naman ng utak mo! Para ka ring isang Pariseo. Pwe.

  • antiscam

    I still applaud Celdran for his courage in expressing his outrage at the Church’s over interference on gov’t policies. His parading with a “Damaso” sign infront of clerics and churchgoers surely did help a lot in awakening so many Catholics of the overarching and undue influence of the Church to the detriment of our gov’t and Filipino people. And to think that Celdran is a Spanish mestizo and a descendant of our former Spanish overlords truly made his act an expression of being fair,unbiased & truly patriotic to the welfare of the Filipinos rather than the Spanish colonial vestiges-that is our current Catholic Church.

    Mr. Celdran i will still keep the faith and wyou have my unremitting support all the way.

    • Platypus09

      Why don’t you stage a similar act and let’s see what’s gonna happen?

      • antiscam

        I really wished i tried it but Mr. Celdran beat me to it. Anyway Mr. Celdran is more effective coz he’s a celebrity and a media personality while Im not. Also he’s being a Spanish mestizo and coming from a family of devout albeit enlightened Catholics make all these for a rich irony. Bravo Mr. Celdran!

      • boypalaban

        patae naman sa kinakain ninyong mag-anak mamaya…type ko lang i-express ang gusto ko e…please….karapatan ko yun…

      • antiscam

        You only write what your mind is full of. So its safe to say your mind is full of you know what-SHIT hehehe

      • boypalaban

        di mo ako kaya sa argumento…napaka-simple di mo masagot…sige ipagtanggol mo pa yang si damaso celdran…

      • antonioluna

        Bakit puro ebak nasa isip mo? nung ipinanganak ka ba ng nanay mo, akala ng doktor, ebak yung lumabas?

      • boypalaban

        kapag gaya mong ebak nagsusulat dito…ebak din ang pambara…mamaya ihi naman…at condom na paborito mo…

      • VindictivePanot

        The same nonsense comments.  hohum. go home, you’re drunk…

      • VindictivePanot

        lol. malamang amoy ebak din hininga ni boyP 

      • antonioluna

        sus, puro kahol! sige nga, gawin mo… pics or it didn’t happen… 

      • VindictivePanot

        and to think na pinaglalaban mo na bastos ang ginawa ni celdran?  sino maniniwala sa yo?  yung pag utot sa hapag kainan ay aming pinipigilan dahil sa kahihiyan, ngunit ikaw ay gustong magtae habang may kumakain?  magpatingin ka na boy.

      • prince_janus

         Bakit di mo subukan? Baka at this time, di ka kakasuhan kasi di ka naman kilala e. or KSP ka lang.

      • antiscam

        Oo nga eh. Ineffective kung subukan ko kaya si Mr. Celdran nalang. Bravo Mr. Celdran! You are so courageous and willing to risk your neck in jail just to say the right thing!

    • boypalaban

      yes, start distributing condoms to those who line up to receive communion…

      • antiscam

        Thats a good suggestion. If only the Catholic Church will allow then why not?

      • boypalaban

        gusto ko tumae at umihi sa kinakain ninyong mag-anak sa lamesa mamaya…pwede ba? karapatan ko i-express gusto ko e…

      • antonioluna

        e di gawin mo, sino kaya mas nakakahiya? tanga! hahahaha

      • boypalaban

         puso mo…di pwede balutin yan ng condom….

      • antonioluna

        concern ka? sorry, ndi ako napatol sa bading… hahaha loser…

      • boypalaban

         kunwari ka pa damaso celdran…

      • antonioluna

        ey, loser, ano kinalaman ng pinagsasabi mo sa topic?  hehe

      • VindictivePanot

        so, what are you waiting for? go ahead, do it first.

      • boypalaban

         ikaw ang mauna…kunwari ka pang anti abnoynoy…panatiko ka nga sa mga plataporma niyang condom…uwi ka na…

    • done_druff

      huh? What is patriotic in his act in disrupting a service for God???!!!

      *face palm*

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      hahaha..kawawang nilalang..no surprise gaya nyo wlang pag asa sa buhay..kya nga wlang usad ang pinas..wlang galang at pagsunod sa batas ng bansa..linaw na linaw po sa batas..hahaha..

      rememeber, dre, ginawa na iyan ni celdran sa dubai..sana d lng siya pina deport..mas maigi pinugutan siya ng ulo dun…kasi alam nyo wlang puwang ang mga gaya nyo gaya si celdran sa isang sibilisadong lipunan…again, little learning is a very dangerous thing  hypocrite and anti catholic…ano kya murahin kita at babuyin kita ok lng ba sau?

      • antiscam

        Surely if Mr. Celdran did it in Dubai or any Islamic state then he would surely be beheaded. Islamic societies are famous for being intolerant and backward. If these Islamic societies doesnt have oil, you may never be deceived that they are “civilized” just because they have so much money to spend on buildings and infra. These arabs will still be riding camels if only without oil. They rape animals and men there for God’s sake not mentioning brutally maltreating Filipino domestic helpers. Pls do not compare our country and the Church to Islamic countries.

        By the way umusad din ang Pilipinas sa pagpasa ng RH bill at Sin Tax Bill.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        hindi rin dre, malayo pa..kasi hindi nmn short term ang effect yan…

        bilang mangangakal at market analyst malabo mangyari ang sinasabi nyo na umusad na ang pinas dhil naipasa ang rh bill at sin tax bill…ang isyu pa rin dre CORRUPTION LNG…magiging palagatasan nlng yang RH bill na yan…

        ginamit lng nila ang mga mahihirap na maraming anak pero iilan lng sila..alam nyo kung ano ang kailangan? TRABAHO SA bawat isa o nakakaraming pinoy..pag may trabaho hindi gagawa ng gawa ng anak ang mga iyan..tingnan nyo eu, singapore, japan etc…ang german babaho lng yan dhil sa work kya no time for baby making…khit ikaw d kau mag sex araw araw kung ang intensyon nyo ay bubuo ng bata kung may trabaho kau..sa pinoy d na uso ung khit saging basta lloving..d na po iyan uso..kung wla laman ang tiyan away at gulo lng ng mag asawa ang mangingibabaw…

    • prince_janus

       Kawawa ka naman antiscam! Ang purol ng utak mo. Samahan mo nalang si Mr. Celdran sa bilangguan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KRAZSWTZ5TTJ7ASWYATMNCFI2M KraziGyrl2868

    Mr. Celdran was not convicted  for voicing out  an opinion or position rather, he was convicted for performing an act inside a place devoted to religious worship during the celebration of religious ceremony  which is offensive  to the feeling of the faithful  define and punishable under  article 133  of the revised  penal.  

    • boypalaban

      tama…daming proRh at daming anti catholic di naman ikinukulong e…pero yang pambabastos, di puwede yan…

      • antonioluna

        ahhh, the anti-RH loser… move-on na! wahahahaha..

      • boypalaban

        move on mo na puwet mo…wag puro hintay sa bayo ng gaya mong bading na si celdran…

      • prince_janus

         Correct! Mabibilanggo siya dahil nambabastos siya. period!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IBY3GZN2QVEBD62QZ5O4B6AMJM Evelyn Gerona

      You are right…I am Pro RH, but what Mr. Celdran did inside the church was a big mistake. He should have done it outside.

  • lucidlynx

    We might as well ban Noli Me Tangere because Rizal’s novel offended the clergy so much it got him in trouble and they had him executed.

    I thought we should have had learned our lessons from Rizal’s heroism this time around, more than a hundred years later.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      twisted facts and invented history…read history..kawawang nilalang

    • done_druff

      Baket mo iba-ban? For what reason? 

    • boypalaban

      hanep out of context…

      ang paraan ko ng pagsamba ay pagtae sa ibabaw ng mesa ninyo habang kumakain kayong mag-anak…di mo ako pwede pigilan…karapatan ko yan…

      • antonioluna

        coming from experience ba yan? try mo sa banyo, mas comfortable!  ikaw nga matanong namin… nasaang planeta ka ba? hahahaha

      • boypalaban

         mas gusto ko sa mesa ninyo habang kumakain kayo…pwede ngayong lunch na?

    • taga_ilog

      Noli and fili was banned years ago, catholic schools don’t use those books, 

  • tiriring

    Anong forgiveness makukuha mo sa mga Idol worshipers?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      sino ang idol worshipper? hahaha..

      indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing…nakapagbasa ng Bible mali pa…

      • done_druff

        May problema ka pala sa mga idol worshipper so may problema ka kay Celdran?!

        Ala ka sa hulog eh!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        bak ikaw dre may problema sa tinatawag nyong idol worshipper..kasi namn sa tuno pala kulto ka na eh..

      • tiriring

        Kulto talaga yan…

      • boypalaban

         ikaw ang dakilang pinuno ng kulto ng sumasamba sa condom…

      • VindictivePanot

        STFU… KSP ka.  alam mo yun?

      • tiriring

        Really? Hoy ano tawag sa pinaglalaganap nyo na festvals sa Sinulog, Dinagyang at Atiatihan??
        Mga IDOLATRY TO THE MAX ng catholico… di ba?

      • done_druff

        Dun ka nga sa ibang thread! Si Celdran ang topic!

        At sabi ko sayo, si Celdran eh Katoliko so anong say mo s idol mong idol worshipper?!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        little learning is a very dangerous thing..nakapagbasa ng Bibliya mali pa…

        ano gusto nyo tuturuan pa kita, hangal? nakakatawa ka nmn..mali ang pagkaunawa sa Bibliya..amoy kulto ka kasi…nakakahiya kau..don’t show  ur ignorance here..mag aral kau muna ng biblical hermenuetics, ancient history, culture para paniwalaan  kita…

        o mas maigi magbigay kau ng verse sa Bible para himay himayin natin..tingnan natin para makita dito ang kamangmangan nyo.,.

      • tiriring

        pinapaganda pa ang pagtatawag… hermenuetics….hahaha…
        Hind na kailangan yan upang maintindihan ang Bible tungkol sa pagbabawal ng IDOL WORSHIP..
        Hoy susunugin ko ang idols mo dyan …payag ka?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        nakakaawa ka nmn..sabihin nyo nlng dre hindi nyo alam pati hermeneutics d nyo alam..wla ka ngang alam..iyan na nga ba sinasabi ko ipakita nyo rine para himay himayin natin…lalabas ung kamangmangan nyo.,.hahaha

      • tiriring

        seminarista ka ata na bading..
        ay talagang mali ang pagigigng catolico ko noon….
        Salamat at lumabas ako sa kasinungalingan nila na tinututro…

      • boypalaban

        nilabasan ka dahil kay celdran? grabe ka…saan ba lumabas?

      • tiriring

        Alam ko maglagay ng IUD…
        Buti pa lagyan natin ng IUD ang mga madre para walng sabit ang mga pari.. 

      • VindictivePanot

        Your comments….  And you are arguing na hindi absolute ang freedom 0f speech dahil nakakabastos ang ginawa ni celdran?  you sir, are a joke!  

      • boypalaban

         pwede rin…basta isubo mo lahat ng condom ng panginoon mong si damaso celdran…payag ka?

    • Platypus09

      You are out of topic, again.

      You sound disrespectful like Rizal.

      Why don’t you stage a similar act and see whaaaa happens?

    • boypalaban

       sa mga gaya mong sumasamba sa condom wala sigurong kapatawaran…

      • antonioluna

        sa gaya mong tumatae sa ilalim ng mesa habang may kumakain, wala sigurong kapatawaran… 

      • tiriring

        Patawarin ko rin sya kung tumatae… at lilinisan ko pa dahil naintindihan ko na pag hindi lumabas yan, e magiging sakit sa katawan..

      • antonioluna

        isa kang butihing nilalang…

      • tiriring

        thank you.

      • boypalaban

        isa kang sumusubong nilalang…

      • VindictivePanot

        sabi ko na ba, isa kang bading… not that, there’s anything wrong about it… 

      • boypalaban

         talo ka sa argumento…sorry ha…ganyan talaga…

      • antonioluna

        hahaha ikaw ang talunan, ndi mo alam? nyahahahaha

      • boypalaban

        talo ako sa isyung RH Bill na ipinasa ng mga panginoon mong mangungurakot……pero malinaw na talo ka sa pakiki-argumento sa akin…

      • VindictivePanot

        parang ikaw at ang argumento mo ang talo at walang katuturan.  sorry din po, ganyan talaga… pahinga ka muna siguro…

      • tiriring

        Ay hindi idol and condom…
        Sana may condom festival din….

    • prince_janus

       pills, iud, condoms at injectables? yan ba ang Diyos mo?

      • tiriring

        di ba ganagamit din yan ng kaparian at madre ninyo para hindi magbuntis sa convento?

      • done_druff

        Chismosa ka talaga?! Bading ka siguro!

      • tiriring

        hahaha… maraming lng akong alam sa dumi ng catoliko…pwe!
        at bading ang mga pari nyo dyan….

      • boypalaban

         gaya mo…isang panatiko ni damaso celdran…gaano na kaluwag bunganga at wepaks mo?

  • cristobtosnas

    We have to separate the 2 issues here.  And try to see which is more relevant.

    Legally speaking, Celdran is guilty as charged.  It’s as clear as a sunny day that Celdran’s antics was tantamount to offending one’s religious beliefs (particularly to the one person who filed the complaint – the rector of the Manila Cath).   Celdran can appeal, but the chances of him winning is close to nil.
    But morally speaking? This I believe is where the grey area is.  To me, I would put Celdran as the clear champion here.  He may be over the top and seem to be ego-maniacal at times, but I think he delivers his message loud and clear.  

    When we did the people power in the streets for days to topple a dictator – a corrupt leader. We were clearly violating a lot of laws and local ordinances.  What we did, in a legal sense, is illegal.  But was it immoral?  

                    

  • virgoyap

    Even how much they imprisoned Celdran but he still remain the victor. As it is said they can imprison the body but not ones idea or ones dream.

    • prince_janus

       It is his dream to go to jail. Bastos at walang modo.

    • done_druff

      Ah talaga? Baket naka-bail ngayon si Celdran? 

      Sige i-max natin ang penalty to two years para masaya!

  • antonioluna

    “pwede ba tumae sa loob ng bahay ninyo sa lamesa ninyo habang kumakain kayo? gusto ko tumae doon e…freedom ko yun di ba?”

    bastos na katulad mo?

    • boypalaban

       nasaktan ka ba? baka hindi damdamin nasaktan sa yo kundi bunganga mo sa kasusubo ng tarugo ng mga damaso…hahahahaha

      • antonioluna

        hahaha salamat sa paglabas ng tunay mong pagkatao at anyo, i rest my case…

      • boypalaban

        talo ka lang umiidolo sa paring manyakis, sa tour guide na nanghahalay, sa mga mangungurakot na pulitiko…wala ka sa ayos…sige shabu ka muna ulit…

      • antonioluna

        aba, nagdra-drama na si boyTae… 

      • boypalaban

        name calling ka na damaso celdran…talo ka palagi sa argumento…sorry….

      • antonioluna

        nyahaha name-calling ako?  ay panalo nga pala yung anti-RH no? hahaha

      • boypalaban

        mas panalo ang gaya mong dakilang sumasampalataya kay cabonce…naka-ilang putok ba kayo kagabi?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        sige be specific.. magbigay ka ng pangalan ng pari na sabi mo manyakis then isa-isahin natin kung ano na ginawa ng simbahan para sa kanila at asan na sila ngayon. At now ibigay mo naman ang pangalan ng sektang kinaaaniban mo then isa isahin rin natin ang katangian ng founders mo o ng kahit sinong pastor mo para patas. Kung wala kang religion na kinaaaniban ok lang, sabihin mo naman kung sino idol mo sa pagiging ganyan mo ng saganon maging patas tayo. OK b? hunyango ka pagdika nag reply ng tamang sagot mo. 

    • tiriring

      pwede… bakit hindi….
      pwede hintuan ang pagkakain pero hindi mapigilan ang pagtatae…
      Huhugasan ko sya pagkatapos at pakainin…

  • antonioluna

    @boypalaban aka “boyBakla” aka “boyTae”: yung word na “hypocrites”, tinamaan ka no?

    • boypalaban

       tinamaan puwet mo ng panundot ni damaso celdran….

      • VindictivePanot

        nonesense.  Stop humiliating yourself.

    • boypalaban

      hoy damaso celdran….hypocrite ako…kasi gusto ko tumae sa mesa ninyo mamaya habang kumakain kayo…di ko ginagawa kaya hypocrite ako…kahit alam kong karapatan kong gawin yon…ok ba?

  • kilabot

    celdran is guilty as damaso. 
    he deserves to be behind bars; 
    but isn’t that what he wanted all along? 
    to be analyzed by the inmates; 
    and prove the 25% hiv-aids rise statistics true.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    this is no brainer. he deserves want he had done as the court ruled!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5WAPCEQT5P7QZGHJ676AT2WY2Q Edgar

    we are with you damaso…

    • done_druff

      Samahan mo na sya sa jail. Panay satsat lang eh. Kung naniniwala kang tama ginawa nya, samahan mo!

  • qwerpoiu4321

    it is against my religion for the church to interfere with my country’s state affairs, thus offending my religious feelings. Can I sue the church then?

    Congress should seriously repeal this law.

    • where_I_stand

      Sue the Church.

      Let us see if you have the guts and brains.
      Guts- to file it in any court.
      Brain- to justify your filing and provide evidence to sustain your case.

      Doable 1: Find a lawyer, and tell us if you find one to represent you.

      • qwerpoiu4321

        The point i’m trying to put across is how ridiculous this law is. I don’t care what Celdran did, and frankly i don’t intend to do what he did (even if i agree with him), because i don’t have the time and resources to do it.

        The point is, this law is useless because you can do anything and call it “religious freedom” as an excuse, just like my previous example of the church offending my religious feelings because of their meddling in state affairs. Because of so called “religious freedom”, you can brand any thing as something to do with your religion, thus use it against people you do not like (aka terrorists using Jihad as an excuse to sow terror).

        Yes, i do have guts and brains, that’s why i’m pointing out my reasonable opinion, unlike other people who have guts, but no brains to carry out a counter-argument.

      • taga_ilog

        This law is a dinosaur, if that law will be strictly followed we’ll be no different from any theocratic country in the middle east. 

      • qwerpoiu4321

        exactly!

    • done_druff

      Sue the Church and be ready for rejection dahil alang violation ang Church na sinasabi mo! There is no law of such.

      • qwerpoiu4321

        that’s my point. What are the grounds for “violation of religious feelings”? As far as i’m concerned, we have the freedom to practice whatever religion we want. And in this case, the church meddling with the affairs of the state offends my religion. To say that it isn’t reason enough to “violate my religious feelings” violates my freedom to practice my religion

    • bobits

      Your statement does not fall under the grounds for ” violation of religious feelings”.

      • qwerpoiu4321

        that’s my point. What are the grounds for “violation of religious feelings”? As far as i’m concerned, we have the freedom to practice whatever religion we want. And in this case, the church meddling with the affairs of the state offends my religion. To say that it isn’t reason enough to “violate my religious feelings” violates my freedom to practice my religion

    • litobetita

      Yes you can sue the church and only then we can see if your case have a merit….let’s see if you will win. 

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    pro celdran says the it is a violation of his right to expression…

    what about those inside the church that time, they have also the right to expression, right to worship, right to religion, WHICH IS ALSO EMBODIED IN THE CONSTITUTION…

    what will prevail, a single right by celdran? or the right of every citizen who are there inside the church to also express themselves, right to worship?

    malinaw naman CELDRAN…DO IT IN A PROPER PLACE NA WALA KANG MASASAGASAAN NA IBANG RIGHT OR FREEDOM…

    celdran…YOUR FREEDOM STOPS, WHEN OTHERS FREEDOM BEGINS…so easy…like you have the freedom to cross the street, but when there are already cars passing, your freedom stops there…do not cross….hindi ung, kahit meron mga sasakyan na dumadaan, u will still cross, at sa gitna ng kalsada u will shout FREEDOM…it is not freedom, but stupidity..and what u did is purely stupidity…

    • prince_janus

       I fully agree with your statement. Celdran should stay on jail.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        at magdala siya ng condom…she/he is an ardent propagandist of condom…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

    Ginagamit ng mga pari ang pulpito to denounce government actions on many issues. Celdran used the Church to denounce what he thought were wrongdoings of the priests. What’s wrong with that?

    • boypalaban

      dapat ba itataon sa religious service? na may ibat ibang sekta ang nandoon?
      di nga pala ako katoliko…

      • antonioluna

        eh yung yung pagtae sa mesa? dapat bang itaon habang may kumakain? di nga pala ako bastos…

      • boypalaban

        o kumain ka na ba ng tae…punta ka sa public toilet…sipsipin mo lahat ang nandun…wag lang yung kay damaso celdran sipsipin mo…

      • antonioluna

        hahaha wag mo kong itulad sa yo.  ikaw lang mahilig sa ebak, nandamay ka pa :D

    • prince_janus

       He is insane and bastos. He can do his protest outside the church. There’s something wrong within him. Gets mo?

      • trentoturin

        he has illusions of grandeur…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      mag ingat ka dre..ito ka n nmn sa maling comparison nyo..

      wla ka bang kahihiyan sa sarili nyo gaya ni ginoong celdran..na gagawa ng eskandalo sa gitna ng ecumenical prayer service? buti ganun lng ang parusa sa kanya ng korte..
      sigurado ako i upheld ng Kataastaasang Hukuman yan at baka malaki pang parusa ang igagawad sa kanya..sa korte nga lng kailangan ng order or else i contempt ka…

      hindi nyo ba alam na nandun sa ecumenical prayer service na iyon si Mayor Lim ng Maynila, PBS members, and military and police officers aside from the religious groups of the Church…

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        ” si Mayor Lim ng Maynila, PBS members, and military and police officers aside from the religious groups of the Church…”

        And so, if you cannot stop him you use undue influence to silence him?

        Kahit patayin nyo pa sya, you will not silence him.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    at last, magagamit na ni celdran ang condom…celdran, dapat isang ox ang ipamigay mong condom sa bilibid dun sa mga barako mag r ra pe sayo…

  • novaliches

    Tumaas ang talent fee ni Celdran, iba talaga ang pinag-uusapan.

  • Yobhtron

    Mi Ultimo Adios naman siya ngayon.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

    therefore, ganun din dre kay celdran…i quote ang sinabi nyo ha..e di gawin mo (ginawa ni celdran), sino kaya mas nakakahiya (si celdran)? tanga! hahahaha

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  • bobits

    “Your right ends when the right of others begin.” We have to remember this maxim always..

    • Van Lyndel Tolentino

      “Your nose ends where my nose begins.” But you got the geist of it.

  • WeAry_Bat

    First of all, the priests should stop politicking within their sermons. 

    It is not for fair for them to politicize but not allow politics to reply back. 

    Better yet, the priests step off politics except in cases of martial law and corrupt presidencies.  They did in the former (Marcos) but failed in the latter (GMA).

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      there are spokespersons in every govt office PAID BY TAXPAYERS MONEY to do the pogi thing…

    • done_druff

      Isa ka pa at ala ka sa hulog!

      The topic is about Celdran. Ano naman kinalaman ng mga politicking ng mga pari dito? Mga pari ba nag-convict kay Celdran? Ang alam ko husgado eh. Nasaan ka ba bakit di mo alam ito?

      • WeAry_Bat

        Tanong tanong ka pang low IQ ka! Get lost!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Ikaw ang walang IQ. Instinct of a worm.

      • WeAry_Bat

        Hahaha nagsalita ang bacteria

    • henri_see

       politics replied back. it’s called edsel lagman, pia cayetano, rissa hontiveros, and the passage of the RH bill.

      ano ba pinagpuputok ng buche mo? na hindi nyo nakuha gusto nyo this time? just take it like a man. (if you’re a man).

      • WeAry_Bat

        I see several of your paid kind lately.

  • manong_edwin

    I support and will defend one’s right to express sentiments, but Celdran’s expressed his rights on and in a wrong place and moment..I am a Protestant, but I will also run to the Courts if he did that in the middle of our Divine Worship Service…pasalamat na lamang si Celdran at hindi siya ipa-firing squad sa Luneta.

    • done_druff

      Wag i-firing squad at dadami supporters nya! 

      Ipalunok na lang lahat ng condoms na nasa bulsa nya!

      • prince_janus

         hahahaha. mabulunan siya sa mga condoms sa sobrang dami.

  • virgoyap

    ” Bury me? You mean to say you bury my body? My body is not I, you will not succeed in burying me.” Socrates.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

    ..

  • UrHONOR

    “…..service, shouted and raised a placard with the word “Damaso” on it.”

    MASASAKTAN din kaya ang mga puso’t bitukang mamon ng mga TNL na mga naka-sayang puti kung hindi DAMASO ang word na ginamit at sa halip ay DAMASING?  :)

    Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me…..tapos sa DAMASO lang na TOTOONG-TOTOO naman, namimilipit na sa pagka-pikon.  Tapos kung maka-pintas sa gawaing pangbayan na hindi nila paki, e, ganun na lamang.  Well, pagpapasensyahan lang ang mga TNL na mga damasing na yan, as they know not what they do and say.  Give them the proverbial benefit of the doubt and charity a la JChrist. 

    • done_druff

      Ah so kung pari ka pala hindi ka pwedeng mamintas?! Yun ba ang gusto mong mangyari? So wag ka na rin magbayad ng buwis like VAT, EVAT etc!

      • UrHONOR

        AT BAKIT hindi pwede?  May dahilan ka bang nalalaman kung bakit hindi pwede?

        Ang layo-layo ng comprehension mo sa nabasa mong comment.  Besides, bakit hindi yong main issue ang bunuin mo sa halip na kinakaliskisan mo ang pahayag ng iba?  Magpalahad ka ng sarili mong kaisipan at hindi yang para kang Gestapo na umi-ispiya sa kung kani-kanino.

  • almycha

    Next time na lumikha ng gulo itong si running priest dapat kasuhan ito.  Limitahan and kilos protesta ni running priest sa loob ng simbahan at huwag sa labas ng simbahan.

    • done_druff

      Baket anong masama sa ginagawa nya? Di pa parang katulad lang yan ng mga protesta sa labas ng mga aktibista? Kung sila allowed, bakit di mo i-allow yung running priest?

      That’s a clear violation of freedom of expression.

      • almycha

        Pagka si running priest ay nag po protesta sa government compound okay lang yan kasi freedom of expression.  Si Celdran nagprotesta sa loob ng simbahan kalaboso.  Parang mali yata. 

      • ThePattern

        mali talaga sa mata ng simbahang katoliko dahil sila lang ang may moral pwe!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         honga no.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        May na disrupt ba si running priest na government forum?

    • Komen To

      Loose sense of logic. When did you see the running priest hold his protest inside the government office? Celdran can do a picket outside a church and that will not interfere with the mass inside. He can try doing this while a wedding is going and he’ll see what he gets

  • Komen To

    There are many ways of protesting. Can I mock the president while inside Malacañan? Can i ridicule the chief justice while they are in session inside SC? Can we have protest actions inside the halls of congress or senate because we do not agree with their ideas? And if I hate the way the tourist guides are doing their jobs (which actually sucks), can I enter their conference room while they are having a meeting and raise my protest? Celdran, get back to school and equip yourself with common sense

  • theurbanitesoul

    The Church airing their views about the RH Bill — that’s freedom of speech. Celdran disrupting a religious ceremony whilst airing his displeasure against the Church — that’s disrespectful, lack of delicadeza, irreverence, violation of religious freedom, and plain arrogance. 

  • Van Lyndel Tolentino

    I’m not so sure about this topic. Sure, he was under his rights to free speech but, doing that during a church event is not that far from trespassing. But then again, aren’t we supposed to forgive those who trespass against us? Boom.

    • done_druff

      Forgiveness starts when the offender asks for it. In the case of Carlita, she is stubborn. How can you forgive someone when she thinks that she did no wrongdoings?

      P.S. I intentionally used the pronoun “She”.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        From the article above.

        “Celdran, who has apologized to the Archdiocese
        of Manila,  said the Church leaders had forgiven him in the name of the
        Lord but not on the earthly realm.

        “As far as they are concerned, I can go to heaven, but I have to go to jail first,” Celdran said.

        Msgr. Nestro Cerbo, rector of Manila Cathedral, declined to comment on Celdran’s conviction.”

        ” I intentionally used the pronoun “She”.”

        Why?

      • taga_ilog

        Do you think hes gay?

    • boldyak

      we always forgive, but there is a law he tresspassed, shall we free all convicts then?…big BOOM!!

    • Lolo_Basyong

      Pinatawad na siya ng simbahan, utoy.  Pero, ayon sa prinsipyo ng separasyon ng Estado at Simbahan na iginigiit ni Celdran, guilty siya kaya dapat ikulong.  Hehehehehehe…. Forgive those who trespass against us, kamo?  Beseech the state, not the Church, for forgiveness during the appeal.  

  • marionics

    “Dad, I think the priest is a homosexual.”
    “What makes you think that son?”
    “Because he closes his eyes when I kiss him.”

    • done_druff

      Ah your son is homo! 

      • marionics

        yes but i love him anyway and do not condemn him to eternal hellfire hahaha

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         nice comeback.

      • marionics

        yes but they make it too easy

      • taga_ilog

        But Marionics, opening ones eyes while kissing is not considered romantic, maybe the priest is romatic.

      • marionics

        oo nga. tanga yung bata e he he

  • kilabot

    human right is the favorite defense of perverts; 
    as in, 
    analysex is a human right; 
    bestialisex is a human-animal right; 
    same-sex marriage is a human right; 
    abortion is a human right; 
    use of dangerous drug is a human right; 
    suicide is a human right; 
    and so on and so forth; 
    as if perverts are humans.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       do you prescribe to what you have written?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        He means for the perverts.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        oh, i see, i beg your pardon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adel.reyes Adel Caringal Reyes

    di naman RIZAL ang dating mo… sino ka si BASILIO o si CRISPIN.

    • done_druff

      Hindi, magagalit yan. Sya si SISA!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

    ..

  • theurbanitesoul

    The Church airing their views on the RH Bill — that’s freedom of speech. Celdran disrupting a religious ceremony whilst airing his displeasure against the Church — that’s disrespectful, lack of delicadeza, irreverence, violation of religious freedom, and plain arrogance. 

    The guy should stick to being a tour guide and perhaps take up some courses on cherished Filipino values.  

  • Don

    What Celdran did was not in the right place and time.  I personally find many religious beliefs ridiculous but I know where and when to speak, and when not to.  Generally, it’s a good idea to speak only if asked for your opinion, or if their religious belief is beginning to bother my life — such as processions causing traffic, or religious holidays that result in absenteeism at work, or superstitions that make life inconvenient.  I also don’t mind it if people want to follow their God’s commandments, but when they begin COMMANDING ME to obey their God’s commandments — that’s another thing!

  • Andoy51

    Celdran has every right to air his legitimate grievance against the Catholic Church. But it’s arrogant and disrespectful of him to make such protest during a religious service.

    To put things in perspective, how would Celdran feel if someone made a scene in the middle of his or a loved one’s wedding?Ang hirap sa laos na artistang ito, akala niya umaarte pa rin siya sa kanyang paglapastagan sa mga taong nasa kalagitnaan ng isang religious celebration. Masahol pa siya kay Padre Damaso sa kanyang pagiging walong modo at ipokrito. 

    • $2931613

       what do you expect from a badaff…

      • ThePattern

        and you had to go to the gender issue tsk!

      • $2931613

        “and you had to go to the gender issue tsk!” – ThePattern

        I meant badaSS.. it was just a typo.. perhaps i should say.. “and you had to think his gender is an ISSUE tsk!”.. why do you say his gender is an issue??

        Definition Informal A personal problem or emotional disorder.
        Example: The teacher discussed the child’s issues with his parents.

        Clearly you are the one with ISSUES.. shame on you!

      • ThePattern

        typo my a S S. There is an EDIT option. oh and what do you call those who hate gays and lesbians, ah yes h o m o p h o b e

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       then file lan ng mga misdemeanor charges, malicious mischief, etc.

      Also quantify the damage. Hurt feelings wouldn’t pass it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Ito ang mas magandang example.
      How would Celdran feel if an outsider will intrude into his house and begin shouting, “Ipako ang mga bading sa krus!!”.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QVR2HMWEPWZA4TV2Z2Q7BYF36A January

         gusto ni bading ng RH bill kasi binubugaw nya asawa nya eh….para safe..

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         very witty, sir.

        very witty indeed.

  • marionics

    What do you give the pedophile who has everything?
    Another parish.

    • boypalaban

      change assignment…

      • marionics

        additional assignment pre he he

      • boypalaban

         mas maraming oportunidad gumawa ng kabalbalan….

      • marionics

        so ibig mong sabihin habang tumataas ang rango mas madaming kabalbalan? he he

      • boypalaban

        siguro habang mas maraming binibigay na assignment, mas maraming tsansa na gumawa ng kalokohan…

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       lol.

  • boldyak

    Human Rights Watch, can I enter on of your meetings and make some noise, and tell you all that you are communists?…can i have that right?….

    • done_druff

      Kung sila masusundo sa mga pinagsasabi nila in support of Celdran, dapat pwede mong gawin yan at hindi sila dapat magsampa ng reklamo sayo!

  • Andoy51

    As a Catholic I feel gravely offended by Celdran’s antics. If I were there, I would have wrestled him to the floor. I respect his right to air his grievances against anyone or against any institution. But that right does not give him the license to trample on the rights of others to worship.

    I don’t know what kind of a tourist guide and theater and art flunkie this Celdran is. Is he crazy?
    Is he extremely arrogant? Was he high on drugs when he disrespected so many people? Is he trying to attract media attention? Or is is all of the above.

    Unless he is downright mad, he deserves a heavier sentence. One month in jail is too light a penalty for Celdran has done. And I hope he gets what he deserves when he elevates his sentence to higher courts. 

    • Jamm3r

      kita mo naman sa paraan ng pagsasalita ni celdran. sa kanyang pangangatwiran. obvious na may sayad ang utak.

      and i definitely agree on this

      “Unless he is downright mad, he deserves a heavier sentence.”

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       “I would have wrestled him to the floor.”

      Pero, having have done that, wouldn’t you also be more guilty that Celdran? Think about it, no one expected a person to stand there and air his opinion that the leaders of the church were meddling in state affairs.

      Then all of a sudden, a man jumps into the front and assaults Celdran inciting a fight. No one would have expected that too, right. And for all intents, Celdran went there to air his grief an the most damage he was able to do is…what did the article call it….’hurt feelings.’

      You on the other hand physically hurt another person also expressing his opinion.

      He may be served against Art 133 (religious..) you would have been served with the same PLUS assault and battery.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       “Was he high on drugs when he disrespected so many people?”

      Did he yell invectives to the people? or was it to the churches leaders at the time?

      At most, a faithful will have felt is a disturbance in the service, which, soon after would resume again, just as it did.

      Were there any of the faithful attending the service severely shaken that they would require medical assistance? Or were there who were visibly shaken that they were not able to perform normal duties after the event?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      kung ako nandun sa simbahan, bubugbugin ko yun walang hiya na yun!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Bat di mo na lang ipako sa crus?

  • tiriring

    Alam ko maglagay ng IUD…
    Buti pa lagyan natin ng IUD ang mga madre para walng sabit ang mga pari.. 

    • boypalaban

       dami mo palang alam e…
      dami mong natutunan sa panginoon mong si damaso celdran…

      • tiriring

        dapat lang upang may laban sa sinasabi mo..
        Bayaran ka ba ng PDI?

      • boypalaban

        ayaw pa ako bayaran ni celdran e…siya sana pinagtatanggol ko ngayon…
        ikaw baka may pera ka…galing kay celdran….panay tanggol mo sa kanya e….

      • tiriring

        neighbor ko si celdran…
        di ba love thy neighbor? 

  • Andoy51

    If I were the tour operator and boss of Celdran, I definitely would have promptly fired him for what he did. There’s no room for an uncouth person like Celdran in any organization, much less in an industry catering to tourists.

    • brunogiordano

      “If I were the tour operator and boss of Celdran, I definitely would have promptly fired him for what he did. There’s no room for an uncouth person like Celdran in any organization, much less in an industry catering to tourists.”

      Buti na lang hindi Ikaw ang boss ni CELDRAN.

      Bagsak na siguro ang tourist industry natin ngayon kung Ikaw ang Boss ni CELDRAN.

  • Ari Putan

    Ba’t nakabestida itong mga pari? Mga bading ba sila?

    • boypalaban

      oo gaya mo at ng panginoon mong si damaso celdran…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      nuong panahon pa na mga Greek at Romans ang namamayani sa daigdig wala pang maong at short at brief noon, lahat ng lalaki naka bestida kahit ng panahon ni Jesus. O ng mga hari na sumunod kay Jesus. 

      So sa pananaw mo lahat sila mga bading dahil di nakapantalon? Minsan mag-iiisip karin ng di ka lumabas na hunghang.

      • Ari Putan

        noon pa yon…wala pang pantalon…
        marami nanamg levis jeans ngayon a..

      • Komen To

        Middle East is dominated with religion wearing long dress for men as well, and they are very rich countries. When a person has no brain to put forward, they talk of irrelevant items like dress codes

    • done_druff

      hahaha.. mga welsh bading din dahil mga naka-skirt!

      yung mga imam and ayatollahs bading din silang lahat dahil nakaskirt!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XSMKB74ZQX5UXZ7T3YPFDO27YM IsangTagaBukid

    Gusto lang ni Celdran mapansin siya. Kawawang misguided gay!

  • Jamm3r

    talagang sira lang ang ulo ni celdran !!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      celdran next cry: same sex marriage! ahe ahe ahe!

  • marionics

    “Father, I called
    a man a son-of-a-bítch yesterday.”
    “Why did you call him a son-of-a-bítch??”
    the priest asked.
    “Because, father, he touched me on my arm
    without permission”
    “Do you mean like this??” He touches
    her arm.
    “Yes father.”
    “That’s no reason for calling him a son-of-a-bítch.”
    “But father he also touched my
    breasts.”
    “You mean like this??” He touches her
    breasts.
    “Yes father.”
    “That’s no reason to call him a son-of-a-bítch.”
    “But father, he took off my clothes.”
    “Like this??” He takes off her
    clothes.
    “Yes father.”
    “That’s no reason to call him a son-of-a-bítch.”
    “But father he then put his you-know-what
    in my you-know-where.”
    “Like this??” He put his you-know-what
    in her you-know-where.
    “Yes father,” she says sometime later,
    after catching her breath.
    “But that’s no reason to call him a
    son-of-a-bítch.”
    “But father, he has AIDS.”
    “THAT SON-OF-A-BíTCH!!!!!!!!!!!”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      mga born again palakpak! palakpak naman sila. uto-uto!

      • VindictivePanot

        relax pre, it’s a joke

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Excellent  !

      Delicious he is punished by his sins, a God Justice !

  • Rolly257

    Hindi dapat nagkaroon ng Martial Law kung meron tayong isang libong Celdran noon.

    • boypalaban

      pwede pala ikumpara si celdran kina ninoy, tanada, diokno, etc…
      bilib na ako diyan….lalo na sa yo…

  • certainshadeofgreen

    “It was the kind of court decision that—for some—could only please Padre Damaso.”

    What a heavily biased opening line, especially as Celdran did something that was, objectively speaking, uncalled for. I mean, you wouldn’t go into a mosque during a Muslim ritual and shout out “Stop being terrorists!” If you really want to say something to the Church officials, say it to them personally, and not in a Church service where people are trying to get recollected.

  • Mr_Ben

    Pwede naman syang magsalita ng laban sa simbahan kung gusto nya nung araw na yun. Pero naman, sana ilagay nya sana sa lugar. Kaya huwag sana nyang sabihin na inaapi sya o ano.

  • RiverHorse

    being found guilty is not enough for this narcissistic blowhole. he should be subjected to a weekly psychological evaluation aside from hauling his @ss to jail. isn’t he the same psycho who complained against DMCI’s proposed building along taft ave. just because his view of the rizal monument (his phallus-symbol) will be blocked once the building is underway?

  • VindictivePanot

    @boyPalaban: Bastos! Nakikita sa pagkatao mo kung paano ka pinalaki ng magulang mo, tapos pro-catholic ka? sa kabilang side ka na lang pumanig, pwede?

    • boypalaban

      musta ang idol mong si abnoynoying? akala ko pro celdran ka lang…isama mo na si BUM Aquino sa sinasamba mo…

      • VindictivePanot

        hahaha didn’t you read my username para tawagin mong idol ko si abnoy?  masaya bang mag troll?

  • dragonfruitfarmer

    Ito ang mga taong nalasing sa “Demokrasya”. Defense Mechanism nila “Freedom of Speech”. Mr. Celdran mukha yatang nakalimutan mo ang kaakibat na responsibilidad ng pagkakaroon ng demokrasya. Tandaan mo may BATAS tayo na nagsisilbing bakod sa karapatan ng isang mamayan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      marami kasing bobo dito di nakakaintindi ng pangyayari. tapos comment ng comment. its all stupid! hihirit pa un born again! lalong bobo!

    • done_druff

      Kasi akala nila ok lang yung ginawa nila na ang mga pari will just take it in a stride. Nung nagreklamo at may batas pala, naku lagot na at nagpuputak! Ang yabang pa nitong baklang ito at ayaw magsorry at umamin sa kasalanan! 

      Yan ang delikado kapag ang isang society eh gino-glorify ang isang maling gawain! Kung tama ito, then paki-amend nga at ng makaganti at makapambastos din ng ibang gatherings!

      ONE SIDED!!!!

  • Nilo Dinauanao

    The Human Rights Watch in this time show their ignorance. Is there a freedom of speech when you insult someone’s feeling or offended other’s feeling? It’s like you are tolerating insults, defamation, slander, or directly saying let’s Not put the above as Crime, or the Revised Penal Code is wrong in imposing penalty to braggart Celdron. Come on man!!!!
        

    • done_druff

      Ignore the ignoramus!

  • INQ_reader

    I don’t know which interference is worse. David Celdran who interfered in a Catholic ceremony. Or, the Catholic Church who interferes in couple’s family plans.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      your the worst. you cant comprehend what celdran just did!

      but for you to know, go to the mosque and shout! I am sure you will know what will happend next!

      stupid comment!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “but for you to know, go to the mosque and shout! I am sure you will know what will happend next!”

        I bet one will be fighting for what one believes in.

        then

        one would be dying for something one believes in.

      • INQ_reader

        I’m not going to a mosque and shout because they are not against the RH Act.

    • done_druff

      Pre, INQ reader ka ba talaga? Si CARLOS Celdran ang may kasalanan at di si DAVID Celdran!

      And you are saying the Catholic is interfering in the couple’s family plans?! How?! Did the Church stopped you from copulating? Did the Church stopped anybody from bringing a child to this world by way of CONTRACEPTION OR ABORTION?

      In contrast, Celdran and Pro-RH cohorts say that you should LIMIT your child. How is that for interfering?!

      • INQ_reader

        Thanks for the correction.

        You are correct, the Catholic church does not stop me from copulating and bringing a child into the world, and this is the problem. Given the proper education, people can have control over their lives from being overtaken by passion.

        Can you site the text in RH Act that seeks to limit the number of children?

  • Lolo_Basyong

    Kung ganun, pwede palang kasuhan, at makulong, ang mga “Christians” na dumudura at sumisira sa imahen ng Birheng Maria?  This case should set a precedent not just against the likes of Celdran but other zealots who disrespect Catholic beliefs.

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    GlorIa bribed to Mitsubishop and Safari…
     Butuan City Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos, who received a Mitsubishi Montero, Bontoc-Lagawe Bishop Rodolfo Beltran (Nissan Pathfinder), Abra Bishop 

    Leopoldo Jaucian (Mitsubishi Strada), Cotabato Archbishop Orlando Quevedo (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace), Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad (Mitsubishi Strada), 

    Zamboanga Archbishop Romulo Valles (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace); and Nueva Segovia Archbishop Ernesto Salgado (Isuzu Crosswind).

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      no one will believe you except your brainwashed born again brotherhood! …you look silly and pathetic! 

      no other argument. what a stupid posting!

    • done_druff

      Yan lang ba alam mo? Mahina ka pala eh. Marami pa yan! Bilis dagdagan mo pa ng sumaya ka!

    • VindictivePanot

      google result?

  • tarikan

     Imelda (half of the conjugal dictatorship), was accused (sasabihin ng iba nd naman convicted) of plundering the government coffers for $10B (kalahati laang narecover) pinatawad ng simbahan kasi naglalakad ng paluhod mula labas ng cathedral hanggang altar. Mantakin mo marami pang akusasyon na marami silang mag-asawa pinapatay/pinahirapan pero pinatawad. Itong si Celdran…makukulong. Sana pinagdasal na lang ng 100 Our Father’s, 100 Hail Mary’s, 100 Glory Be’s na nakaluhod sa asin in shorts.

    • done_druff

      Pinatawad? Sino nagpatawad? Ang court ba pinatawad sila? Parang ala ata akong nabasa nyang pinagsasabi mo ah!

      Barbero ka naman eh!

      • tarikan

        Pinatawad ng Catholic Church (sabi ko ng simbahan nd mo ba nabasa?). Kahit magnanakaw sila big time. Madalas daw magpadala sa Pope ng mangga si Ninang Meldy ko.

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory
    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.
    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States: 
    “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how 
    National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it 
    to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      born again propaganda machine at work! 

      anyone with a violation of the law can be charge with a case in court.  so let the charges be filed if there is. not barking here trying to prove nothing! otherwise, these are all tsismiss. mahilig ka ata sa tsismiss? talak ng talak!

      born again propaganda machine at work! 

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “born again propaganda machine at work! ”

        I don’t think any born again movement would drop to anything so low.

      • marionics

        sige ka, engage that guy at your own risk. his the most stupid guy there ever was hahaha

      • done_druff

        That’s what you think! 

        Who do you think are the biggest church bashers?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “Who do you think are the biggest church bashers?”

        Non practicing RCatholics.

        Unenlightened agnostics and atheists with an ‘in your face’ attitude.

        The usual ones.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Thanks peoples brainwashed like you are,

        The Clergy has an open gate to a whole set of any kind of abuses

        and can’t resist to enjoy them to satisfy their perversions !

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse Crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    • done_druff

      Ano naman kinalaman nyang kay Celdran?!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        bobo kasi yan! tinang mo paulit ulit yan. galing mental kasi! hahaha!

    • done_druff

      Pre, baka gusto mong magresearch din sa ibang religion at baka magulat ka parehas lang sila sa kinamumuhian mo!

      Galit na galit sa mga pari! Siguro inabuso ka siguro ng maliit ka ano?

      Sumbong mo na kung sino man yun!

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    STOP DONATING YOUR MONEY TO THE  CORRUPT BISHOP..
    The Bank Investments Of Different Dioceses
    Diocese / Church Foundation Company # Shares Owned Rank in Top 100 Total Investment Value
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 222,843,681 4th PHP12.724 Billion
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (REAL CASA DE MISERICORDIA) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 41,408,841 8th PHP2.364 

    Billion
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA (HOSPITAL DE SAN JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 22,072,182 13th PHP1.26 

    Billion
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSPICIO DE SAN JOSE) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 6,016,624 15th PHP343.55 

    Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSP DE SA JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 4,285,572 17th PHP244.71 

    Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (MAYORDOMIA DELA CATEDRAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 2,664,266 21st 

    PHP152.13 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (ST. PAUL`S HOSPITAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 1,772,418 26th PHP101.21 Million
    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 726,819 49th PHP41.50 Million
    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 551,382 60th

    PHP31.48 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF JARO Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 491,385 64th PHP28.06 Million
    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 2,370,000 31st 

    PHP260.70 Million
    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION ARCHICOFRADIA DE N.P.J.N DE RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 1,234,603 75th PHP135.81 

    Million
    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. San Miguel Corp (SMC) 957,516 79th PHP105.33 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO San Miguel Corp (SMC) 856,639 81st PHP94.23 Million
    REAL MONASTERIO DE LA PURISIMA CONCEPCION DE NUESTRA MADRE SANTA CLARA DE MANILA San Miguel Corp (SMC) 809,834 83rd

    PHP89.08 Million
    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION DE PADRES RECOLETOS POR BECAS Y VOCACIONES San Miguel Corp (SMC) 621,702 89th PHP68.39 Million
    CARMEL OF ST THERESE OF THE CHILD JESUS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 592,956 91st PHP65.23 Million
    THE DISCALCED CARMELITE NUNS OF CEBU San Miguel Corp (SMC) 451,864 95th PHP49.71 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF NUEVA SEGOVIA DE VIGAN San Miguel Corp (SMC) 428,067 98th PHP47.09 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,221,135 15th PHP66.68 Million
    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY – B Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,125,777 16th PHP64.70 Million
    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY-A Philex Mining Corp (PX) 1,091,027 69th PHP22.58 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO Ayala Corporation (AC) 24,015 73rd PHP9.29 Million
    KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION OF THE PHILS, INC. Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – A (ACPA) 60,000 2nd PHP31.80 

    Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TAGBILARAN Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – B (ACPR) 10,000 64th PHP1.02 Million
    DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY OF ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PHINMA Corp. (PHN) 159,575 19th PHP2.12 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF JUAN DE DIOS PHINMA…

    • done_druff

      Good luck! 

      Maikli pa yang listahan mo! Dagdagan mo pa!

    • Komen To

      PAGCOR has more money in their pockets, so with PCSO. In fact several foundations in the country has gathered huge amount of money in their operations. And those whom you charge as your name describes are walking free with their loot

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      Yes, kulang pa to!
      Ilista mo rin dito mga accounts ng ibang sekta diyan: Iglesia ni Manalo, Born-Against Christian etc.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      The Clergy is belonging to the worst kind of colonialists supporting the land grabbers first generations after themselves, the American collaborators of the early US time when a horrible genocide occur, almost 40% of the population was exterminated. This was done by the US, the Clergy and traditional elites on purpose to rape and own the country.

      This is explaining the fake text books to keep the population ignorant with dire consequences, the actual hopeless situation, ironically called Democracy by the Plutocracy, elites and Clergy.

      This is happening in one of the World richest country turned into the poorest by very few peoples culturally pitiless, selfish, uneducated filthy rich, greedy and abusers, mostly Chinoy. Cojuangco’s, Arroyo’s and company. A repulsing atavism !

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        huh basta may maisulat kalang na against sa catholic di kana tumingin kung factual ang mga post mo. For your info mga protestant ang mga Americans nung early days pa nila.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        I am not anti Catholic but pro peoples.

        The Philippines Clergy is a World shame since ever.

        Wake up, Middle Age is gone, the country need an urgent evolution,

        this smelly backwardness is lasting since too long.

        Stop to be brainwash by a repulsing “system”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        ungas magmasid masid ka sa paligid mo.. Look what happen now sa US at sa ilang bansa sa Europe unti unti nilang tinatanggal ang relihiyong Christiano sa buhay nila kaya ang mga mamamayan nila kung ano ano nang pinaggagawa.

        Kung bading ka pabor nga sayo ang walang relihiyon dahil magagawa mo ang anumang kalaswaan na di na makokonsensya.

        Sige Middle Ages na ako. So?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FVFXLPH2ZCDSZZHACTI4KUT2GM wally ong

       if this post is true…imagine if this money is pulled out from the banks..the Philippine economy will crushed..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Ganoon talaga. Pag malaki na simbahan malaki rin ang pundo. Yong ibang malalaking secta tulad ng INC, wag mong sabihin na barya barya lang ang kanilang pundo. Tiingnan mo ang mga construction projects nila, kaya ba yan ng barya?

  • brunogiordano

    “The Human Rights Watch in this time show their ignorance”

    The Human Rights Watch is right.

    CELDRAN will be acquitted or will have suspended sentence.

    Ang law na ginamit ng judge ay labag sa Human Rights.

    • done_druff

      Ah so mas marunong ka na sa judge pala!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha…itong mga born again mas magaling pa sa judge ngayon! iba na nga sila! check their comments! magaling na sila sa pari, magaling pa sila sa judge. daw! anak ng kuwago!

    • holydonkeyballs

      Not really. Check for yourself Art. 133 of the RPC.

    • ThudOthwacker

      On the contrary, the judge is right and Celdran is wrong. Read Revised Penal Code Article 133 & 153 and the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights Article 19 & 20.

      LOL The lobbyist Celdran have over estimated his self worth. Now the pretentious must pay for his shady act.

      • done_druff

        I like the UN articles! This only shows that the 133 is in harmony and fully supports these articles!

    • Don Dee

      What about the right to the exercise of religion? Human rights din yun. Ano? Si Celdran lang ang may right? The rest ay wala na? Ang tanong lang ay, sino ba ang nasa tamang lugar? Kumbaga sa traffic e, sino ang may right of way?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        I got something on that.

        What happens when the right of free expression goes against another fundamental right such as the right to choose your religion?

        The basest right comes to play first.

      • Don Dee

        Not quite. This is where specific laws come into effect, and the judiciary becomes the arbiter between these two rights. Who’se right outweighs the other. Someone here posted the specific provision that Celdran violated. Very clear ang law, hindi ka pwedeng manggulo sa simbahan especially kapag merong mass (which means, hindi freedom of expression yun kung gagawin mo). Meron bang question about the facts of the case? Did Celdran do what he was accused of? Is there even a doubt? Therefore, guilty as charged.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “This is where specific laws come into effect, and the judiciary becomes the arbiter between these two rights”

        Agreed.

        But if I were Celdran, I would attack the very law and declare it unlawful. Prove my point that not one of the people was hurt to the point of quantifiable damage (just as libel and slander) and the fact that the focus of the protest was the leaders of the church, not the people at the mass. And so, their hurt is at best, misplaced.

        As they say, it isn’t over. I think Celdran will raise the question all the way to the SC. He may be guilty now, but lots of people are betting it will be overturned. Specifically because of base rights.

      • JuanTamadachi

        good one.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    siga nga, sino may gusto sumigaw dyn ng pambabastos sa loob ng simbahan. tell me the time, date when and where. abangan kita dun! swerte ka kung makalabas ka pa! siga nga tingnan natin. try nyo lng! oras, araw at lugar!

    dun makita mo un freedom of speech na sinasabi nyo! papakita ko sayo!

    • tiriring

      ako! mamaya, 6pm, quiapo church, sa harap, center ailse..

      • done_druff

        Ah wag ka, waste of time. Atsaka pwede ka palang lumabas ng ospital? Malayo ang Nueve de Febrero sa Quiapo ah. Ala kang kasama? Buti pinayagan ka? Baka nga magaling ka na or under medication pa rin?!

      • tiriring

        takot ka ba?
        punta ka rin doon..
        magkita tau at makilala mo ako…
        tatangalin ko ang balakubak mo…pati ulo.

      • marionics

        aba aba kuwentuhan niyo kami kung matuloy yang usapan niyo ha he he

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        pssstt…dun ka nga…magpost! 

      • done_druff

        Takot ako… takot akong mapagulpi ng isang pasyente. Kung ikaw naman magulpi ko sasabihin sa akin bakit kita pinatulan… either way, talo ako kaya wag na lang.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        sure ka? baka umurong ka? sana nkabarong ka para deretcho kana sa higaan! abangan kita dun! 

        pag wala ka dun, well amlayer ka, duwag!

      • tiriring

        ganoon pala kayung mga katoliko?
        mga pusong animal.. 
        pagmatalo sa debate..maghahamon ng away…
        mga demonyo pala…hahahaha.. 
        lalabanan ko kayo..

      • done_druff

        hahahaha….you never ceases to bring fun to my world!

        Akala ko ba ok lang sayo ginawa ni Celdran? 

        Pinapapunta ka dun sa simbahang gusto mo at dun ka mag-ala-Celdran! 

        Gets mo? Ah hindi pa… o eto ulit…

        Akala ko ba ok lang sayo ginawa ni Celdran? Pinapapunta ka dun sa simbahang gusto mo at dun ka mag-ala-Celdran! 

      • marionics

        aba aba kuwentuhan niyo kami kung matuloy yang usapan niyo ha he he

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        indi ka kasali dito. mag post ka na lng ng magpost printer!

      • tiriring

        isali mo sila lahat… pati mga pari at madre mo dyan..
        pati mga mungha at obispo..
        tatangalan ko kayo ng mga ari..
        para magiging eunuchs kayo lahat..
        6pm ha!!

        Ano nga ba sasakyan puntang quiapo? malalaki kase mga armas ko..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        awsss! duwag!

    • done_druff

      Uy mhen sama ako dyan! Pati yung mga sunog baga sa daang bakal dito sa amin sa Tondo!

  • taga_ilog

    I remember reading a bible verse saying turn the other cheek, I guess someone forgot about that hehehe. I never knew people could get jailed because of violating “religious sensibilities”. 

    • done_druff

      Now you know! 

      Ignorantia legis neminem excusat?  (Ignorance of the law excuses no one!)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      violation? try mo ulitin para makita mo un sinasabi mong religious sensibilities! san gusto mo mambabastos ba, anong simbahan, oras at araw!

      cge nga! duwag!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      This was at the Inquisition time, still lasting in the backward Philippines run by the Clergy and a repulsing Plutocracy surrounded by “elites” and Trapos pilfering the country, the final target of all of them.

      The last one who was jailed in Europe for “religious sensibilities”, nobody will remember, maybe before 1789, the French Revolution time. 
      It could help to measure Philippines backwardness.

      At the early US colonization time, the Church teaching was pre Galileo, 300 yrs. delayed, only ! Replaced by the today scandalous fake text books, initiated by the US.

      The Philippines have two classes of population, the have and the have not,
      5% have access to the knowledges, 95% don’t have, enjoying fake teaching.
      The result is civil war, organized starvation, sicknesses, hopelessness, Dantesque pollutions and environment total destruction.

      They are waiting the sunken of the country to run away with their’s looting.

      None Clergy evolutions can be observed since then.

      Peoples nailing themselves on the cross belongs to Feudal Times.

      One example among others, None processions could be observed in the developed part of Europe since over hundred Years, as it is considered abusive.

    • Don Dee

      Hitler violated “religious sensibilities” during his day. You want that? This is more than the CBCP being unpopular right now. I hate the CBCP and support the RH law. But the freedom to the exercise of one’s faith weighs more than whose popular now. He could have criticized the CBCP, as I do often in these forums, but NO, you can’t go to their church while a mass is being held and criticize them there. That is religious intolerance — a human rights violation.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        You are correct, but time to time a wake up call is necessary,
        usually it’s the Artists role and duty to provoke a brain storm.

        Should be thankful to Carlos Celdran for his performance for a community evolution for a better future !

        Hopefully it will open a fermented can of worms ready to blast, that why he got a jail term as the elites still existing thank’s an ad Nauseam Clergy.

      • Don Dee

        Then let his “self-sacrifice” be noted. The law is clear. There is a penalty to be paid. Let him man up and pay that price. Oh? He was thinking that “cute” ang stunt na yon at walang repercussions? Well, it is easy to brave kung wala namang penalty. MAN UP CARLOS, take it on the chin, and pay the penalty for your crime.

        Now, if he asking for leniency and asks for forgiveness, maybe the church and the courts could cut him a little slack (as they see fit). But NO, this man is NOT INNOCENT (of the crime he is convicted of) nor was he falsely accused. GUILTY as charged.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Philippines religious laws belongs to the Middle Age,

        smelling Inquisition like pu//rigit

      • Don Dee

        If someone’s “religion” is atheism and therefore refuses to swear by the bible in a court of law, I would support his right to that “religion”.  Defending the beliefs of even the unpopular is the only way you can ensure that you get to keep enjoying those same rights. I believe in my right to the exercise my religion. No a55hole has the right to interrupt me in my time and place of worship.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “Hitler violated “religious sensibilities” during his day.”

        Ummm. I beg to disagree. Hitler was a deeply religious as his family was.

        as per wiki:In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.

        On the other side of the facts, even the Vatican was strangely neutral towards the Axis powers during WWII, and oblivious to the sufferings all around, especially the atrocities committed by the Germany even during the start of the conflict.  This is why later popes (I do not remember if it was John Paul II) wrote a letter asking for forgiveness which covers this.

        “you can’t go to their church while a mass is being held and criticize them there”

        And yet, if you remember the more recent history, priests, the CBCP, even the late Cardinal sin used the pulpit to attack the government, within the homilies, and within the service of the mass.

        Perhaps the concept of attacking political policies by using the mass has just been redefined when one person decided to use it against them?

      • Don Dee

        I meant the Jews (Hitler reference).

        And even as I hate the CBCP and their political views, they have the right to their opinion and to express that opinion (that again, I do not agree with). Hindi bawal yan. Ang bawal ay ang isang pari na manungkulan sa gobyerno.  What Celdran did can be likened to something like priests going to congress or senate, manggulo ng session, at duon mag sisigaw ng anti-RH slogans. This is what Celdran did when he interrrupted a church service.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Agreed.

        What ever happened to those people who went into the senate, got within the session hall and protested.

      • Don Dee

        They should have been arrested and held in contempt! Kahit pa pari, maski pa ang Santo Papa. The senate and congress are quick to mete out “jail” terms in this regard. 

    • Lolo_Basyong

      Now you know, iho.  Hehehehehe….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

    Diyan kayo magsisigaw sa loob ng Iglesia ni Manalo tignan ko lang, pati byag niyo putol!

    • done_druff

      Di nila gagawin yan dahil ibang mga supporters ni Celdran eh INC din — galit sa simbahan!

  • marionics

    One day a very, very drunk man got on a bus and fell into a seat
    next to a priest. The priest looked at the drunk and found that his face was
    covered in lipstick and he had a half bottle of whisky sticking out of his
    pocket.
    Suddenly the drunk turned to the priest and said, “Father, do you have any
    idea what causes arthritis?”
    “Yes,” the priest replied, “It is caused by loose living, wicked
    women and too much alcohol!”
    “Well I’ll be damned,” said the drunk in surprise.
    The bus carried on it’s journey and the priest, feeling a little guilty, nudged
    the drunk in the shoulder and apologised to him.
    “I’m very sorry,” said the priest, “I didn’t mean to come on all
    strong. Tell me, how long have you been suffering from arthritis?”
    “I haven’t,” replied the drunk, “I was just reading here that
    the Pope is!”

    • done_druff

      So anong point mo?

      • marionics

        you assume too much

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha…post ka na. di ba taga post ka! naghihintay mga born again sa post mo dito! toink printer! ok pa computer, may CPU. kaw ano meron? 

        magpost ka na lang nga!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        printer yan! wlang utak. kaya tagapost lang yan dito! 

      • done_druff

        hahahaha

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Not that I’m disagreeing with you. Just saying….

        I wouldn’t start debating with marionics with facts and laws, not unless you have the time, inclination, panache and talent for it. I usually check and recheck everything i post, just so that I do not eat my words later.

        If you do, try debating him with some topic worth debating.  And good luck.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      bawal dito ang kwento kwento lang… dun ka sa abante-tonite magpost.

      • marionics

        aaaaahh ganun ba. saang batas yan?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

    Hindi lang mga Katoliko ang mga uto-uto.
    LAHAT tayo uto-uto.
    Pag sa Iglesia ni Manalo ka miyembro – nagpauto ka kay Manalo.
    Pag sa Born Again ka miyembro – nagpauto ka kay Pastor.
    Pati si Pacquiao nauto!

    Kaya huwag kayong manlait sa hindi ninyo ka-miyembro sa paniniwala…
    Kung magsalita akala mo hindi uto-uto!

    • brunogiordano

      “Kaya huwag kayong manlait sa hindi ninyo ka-miyembro sa paniniwala…
      Kung magsalita akala mo hindi uto-uto!”

      Iyong mga Religiously UNAFFILIATED walang nang uuto.

      Kung may nanguuto man, sarili na lang nila ang inuuto nila.

  • barangayboso

    “I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that, when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court and put you in jail,” Celdran, who is out on bail, said. “I am lucky that I have legal support but what about other Filipinos who don’t?”

    Questioning is one thing.. mockery is a totally different story.. 

    You are stupid, plain and simple..

    • done_druff

      Eh sira ulo pala talaga!!!! 

      Biruin mo hindi na nya alam kung kinukwestyon nya ang Catholic Institution or nagpo-protest sya dun sa gitna?! Sumigaw lang sya ng DAMASO dun sa gitna at hindi sya nakipagdayalogo sa mga tao dun. Saan ang sinasabi nyang questioning the the “Catholic Institution”?

      Ngayon pinapaganda na nya kwento nya para lalong dumami sympathizer nya!

      SINUNGALING KA RIN PALA!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        mag bobo kasi!

      • barangayboso

        ikaw na-gets mo ba post ko?? Notice how it was quoted…
        YOU = Celdran… 

        Read it again.. 

      • barangayboso

        ikaw na-gets mo ba post ko?? Notice how it was quoted…
        YOU = Celdran… 

        Read it again.. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      si Celdran ay bastos! gets mo? pumasok siya sa simbahan at ngbastos! gets mo?

      • barangayboso

        ikaw na-gets mo ba post ko?? Notice how it was quoted…

        YOU = Celdran… 

        Read it again.. 

    • AlexanderAmproz

      He is perfectly on tune with the rest of the World.

      According to you the whole World is wrong, only the backward are right !

      Look at the result, Death and sufferances, said happiness by the abusers !

      Or traditionals cherish cultural moral values, so disgusting !

      • barangayboso

        ikaw na-gets mo ba post ko?? Notice how it was quoted…
        YOU = Celdran… 

        Read it again.. 

    • Lolo_Basyong

      Acquitting him would be the worst precedent.  Hehehehehe….

  • marionics

    As the alter boy is
    leaving to go home, the priest says, “See you later alligator!” The
    alter boy replies, “In a while pedophile!”

    • done_druff

      So masaya ka na sa joke mo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha…ayos ka talaga magcomment!

        napapaluha ako…

        sana post ka dito lagi…ang saya! hahaha!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hahaha,oo  nga naman nagpost nga itong si kulokoy! hahaha!

  • buttones

    A premise , put out to the floor of this forum-. Let’s call it the ‘Manila Forum’ for the sake of a name, Manila being somewhat rather more Imperial than the rest of the country- so this is it…Should people be allowed to express their views, be allowed to offer negative commentary, even insult, to established institutions be they political or religious, in order to evoke debate on a matter. The floor is open….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      another born again! what chapter ka?

      • buttones

        Born again what? I put a premise out for discussion, I really have no interest in peoples religious or political persuasions I wanted to hear debate- formed opinions on the matter we might discuss- there is nothing to discuss in your comment- goodbye…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Perhaps you can write to INQUIRER to have a debate about religion. They would love to have it!

        I ve read your post before. I know you Pro RH BILL and your comments were more against the RCC.

      • buttones

        I have no interest in RCC my dear, none at all, nor any other religion either- I was pro RH Bill- true, as 70% of this nation was also, it actually went through the process of democratic choice, and it was decided- end of that debate.

      • JuanTamadachi

        well said.

    • done_druff

      Thank you! But the debate started already and it has gone to 18 pages already! 

      Asan ka ba at ikaw pala magi-inagurate? Tsk tsk

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha! 

        natatawa ako sayo bro! oks na oks!

    • Lolo_Basyong

      Sa tamang lugar, ineng. Hehehehehe… 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QYNDR5XMMOIMAQB44KGJZILGTQ J. Corpuz

    Buti nga pinakulong lang siya. Subukan niyang gumawa ng ganito sa mosque kung makalabas pa siya ng buhay.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! BISHOPS OSCAR CRUZ DEMONYO!! SI CELDRAN AY TUNAY NA PILIPINO MABUHAY KA!!

    • done_druff

      Hahahaha… isa pa ito.. Siguro breaktime dyan sa Nueve de Febrero kaya nagpopost sina ni Tiri Ring!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      aso yan! doggie sabi ko relax ka lang…kahol ka ng kahol na naman!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BKDTKLW6CJNOHFFH3LY3YTPNHY Noshairalawever

    Wow we’re a nation of so many fricken armchair lawyers! No wonder we have the government and the CBCP, we deserve them. 

    • done_druff

      Ahhh… that indicates Freedom of Speech is live here! Don’t you agree?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1457748370 Don Kayote

    God does not punish you on whatever you say, SCREW the Catholic Church! I will no longer attend mass! I’ll talk directly to God!

    • done_druff

      Ah so God does not punish you on whatever you say…. So what happens to the “Honor Thy Mother and thy Father”? Isn’t it this includes “whatever you say” acts? Does speaking part of honoring?

      Good! Talk to God and hope you hear from Him!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      what did he told you? GIVE 10% to your PASTOR! hahaha!

    • Lolo_Basyong

      Big deal. Hehehehehe….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      Go on Don Kayote.  They don’t need you there, but for sure, you are welcome in HELL!

  • marionics

    What’s
    wrong with Catholic Priest jokes?

    Catholic
    Priests don’t think they’re funny, and nobody else thinks they’re jokes.

    • done_druff

      So what’s your point?

      • marionics

        you assume i have one he he

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        wala kasi printer ka! hahaha…natatawa ako! hahaha!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       ahahaha

  • my_chatmate

    100 years from now dont be surprise if Mr. Celdran will become Saint Celdran. Things changes through time. Jose Rizal became national hero anyway.

    • done_druff

      That my friend will not happen! See you after 100 years!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Yes he will be Saint Celdran of New Bilibid Prison! hahaha!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      nonsense! stupid comment! maniwala pa ako, si celdran gahasain sa kulungan!

  • dragonfruitfarmer

    Ika nga ni Samuel Johnson e!, “Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and
    every other man has a right to knock him down for it.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO AND BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ MUKANG GALUNGGONG GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO! SALOT SA PILIPINAS DEMONYO!!

    • done_druff

      hahaha… so much hatred! Sign yan ng marami kang demonyo! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        si asong Doggie Ebs yan. Yan ang pangalan ko sa kanya! mabaho ba?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JYNDFCAF24UTRJ25HL6E4U7LT4 Oliver

      Bitter!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    His name rhymes:  CELDRAN = SELDA

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hi pizza ria, welcome here…marami kang maka engkwentrong born again dito! pero ito sa done_druff ayos mag reply. natatawa na lang ako sa mga reply nya!

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    Abaya Rubin
    AccusedDiocesan

    One of seven priests named as defendants in 1984 civil suits filed by a 16 yr old girl seduced by Santiago (Henry) Tamayo and then by six other Filipino priests in Los Angeles. All fled the country (with support from Archdiocese) after suits filed. Others include Henry Caboang, Valentine Tugade, Sylvio Lacar, Victor Balbin, and Angelo Cruces. One of the priests (not Abaya) fathered the girl’s child. Archdiocese contributed to support of child after dismissal of one suit.

    • done_druff

      So what is your point in relation to Celdran?!

    • juan_mj

      then? what’s your point? is it related to the topic? printer ka rin ba?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      isa rin BORN AGAINST CHRISTIAN ito!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

      are you among those abused by a priest???!! please note that famous star james dean as relayed by elizabeth taylor was molested by his pastor when he was orphaned…SO THAT SIN IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO PRIESTS…jos me…enough!

  • Don Dee

    Simple lang ang tanong, are you for the FREEDOM TO EXERCISE YOUR RELIGION? Whatever religion that is. Kahit pa atheism ang “religion” mo. Do you think this is a sacred right? OR do you believe that the right of someone’s right to free expression gives him the excuse to curtail your sacred right to exercise your religion?

    This has nothing to do with the CBCP or even the RH bill, I am not even Catholic and mostly now an agnostic. But damned if I let someone’s loud mouth prevent me from exercising my right to religion. 

    • done_druff

      Me! I am for Freedom to Exercise my religion! And this is universal and supported by UN!

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Ipako sa crus yang si Celdran!

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    Aranda Sofronio 
    Diocesan

    In 2004 Diocese named him as one of six priests accused of the sexual abuse of minors. Allegations against all six were received during 2003 and deemed credible by Diocese. Per March 1996 obituary, he was born in the Philippines; came to the states in1975. Worked in Corona for 5 years and moved to Texas in 1992 or 1993. In Texas he served the Diocese of Galveston-Houston. Chaplain at county Hospital. Subject of $1.55M settlement in 2005.

    • juan_mj

      then?

    • done_druff

      Aba nagre-research nga! 

      KULANG PA TSONG!!!! Dagdag pa!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha….ask nya nalng kamo un pastor nya! sabi ko na mahilig ito sa pera! pero pera ng pastor nya di nya alam kung saan napunta!

      • ztefertilizerscam10

        Tsong kong ilalagay ko lahat ng mga rapist at pedophile na pare,kulang ang space ng buong inquirer….

      • juan_mj

        as if naman tsong malinis ang mga pastor nyo. nyahahahahaha…

      • done_druff

        Ah talaga? Paano mo nalaman na kukulangin ang space dito? Nakaka 20 pages na tayo dito eh so sa tingin mo lagpas 100 pages?

        Try mo lang at para malaman natin yung mga nasa listahan mo.

        At para pakita mo na rin yung talent mo ito research… Kailangan ni Celdran ngayon nya at nawawala ata sa hulog yung idol mo eh. Sabihin ba namang nag-que-question lang daw sya at bakit sya pinakulong. 

        Nagsisigaw=nagque-question! 

        Di ba ala sa hulog?! Umayos ka ng sagot ah.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha…toink! gusto ng inquirer yan. Protestante mga yan! pumunta ka dun magpakilala ka!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      Anong koneksiyon kay Manay Celdran dito? 1diot!Kulangot ng ibang tao ang kinukwento ayaw ikwento ang sa kanya. B0b0!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hahaha, ganun sila walang katuturan mga sinasabi. banat lng ng banat like their pastors! trained mga yan! 

  • mekeni62

    Celdran was gutsy but that move was irresponsible. He offended “religious feelings.” he he. Ang sabi nga ni Ka Tunying sa Punto por Punto ..”galit man tayo kay Damaso huwag nating gayahin ang diskarte nito.” 

  • marionics

    What’s
    the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead Catholic Priest 
    in the road?

    There
    are skid marks in front of the dog.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      ito pa…si printer! way to go…more more more sabi ng mga born again!

      • tiriring

        Dito ka pa?
        Papunta na ako doon sa quiapo!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      isa rin BORN AGAINST CHRISTIAN ang ugok na to!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    satanas carnival tagle DAMASO!  bishop oscar cruz salot na obispo gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo  cbcp bishops katoliban extremist parasite church! obispo salot! si celdran ay tunay na pilipino mabuhay ka!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      pasensyahan nyo na gutom si Doggie Ebs!

    • done_druff

      Uy napagod ka na pre sa kaka-caps lock mo at small naman!

      Pero pre ganon pa rin… alang arrive… non-sense… sorry ah… baka ala ng talab yung gamot mo… ring mo lang bell sa counter baka yung mg nurse dyan nasa quarters nanonood ng soap opera. Sigaw kang DARNA kung di ka marinig….

      Balik ka after 15mins ha para talab na gamot at may sense ka na….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    and their names:
    ztefertilizerscam10  – accounting yan – alam nya kung saan pera ng simbahan katoliko

    Edgardo Mendoza – aso yan. yan si Doggie Ebs. kahol ng kahol…paulit ulit siempre ang sinasabi
       
    marionics – printer yan. post ng post ng kwento dito. ala JK Rowling. frusrated writer lng.

    so you will know these born again machinery!

    • done_druff

      Hahahaha…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

        mga BORN AGAINST CHRISTIAN nga naman!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      put!!!!!!inamo tuta ka ni satanas carnival tagle at oscar cruz DAMASO sinungaling na wagas!! gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo si celdran ay tunay na pilipino di aso ni DAMASO!

  • RossSpazio

    Hypocrites.  Why don’t you ask Celdran pull the same theatrics right in the middle of worship of any of those religions that outright discriminate women and/or tells their laity to vote for a particular candidate?  Let’s see if he’s even got seconds to hide in the nearest jail.

    • done_druff

      I’m sure he will decline. All the condoms in his pocket will gag him to death!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Then jail the CHILD MOLESTER priests too.

    • juan_mj

      as well as the pastors too…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      and you 1di0t!

    • done_druff

      Saan ang child molester? Meron ba? Kung meron eh napatunayan na ba sa court? Kung feeling mo lang yan, eh insecure ka siguro…

      Ayos ka! Wrong thread ka ata.

    • Don Dee

      NON SEQUITUR. Logical fallacy. Child molestation is not even part of the discussion. O hanggang squid tactics na lang?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Its just a question of comparisons, to molest a Child is for a Priest as OK as
        to use systemically the Church all around to take abusively political advantages against RH bill even its against the constitution.

        In case of a fearless Juan de La Cruz want to show them he can also do once the same, its scandalous and not acceptable, he deserved Jail term to have given his opinion in undue place and times.

        Exactly the same with all illegals acts done daily by the priesthood and Clergy, they are always unpunished, this is a perfect observation, the worst done by them is almost legal and forgiven a benign one done by a Patriot is criminal !

        I feel to vomit infront such an unfair injustice.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      file a case if you have! like celdran, may kaso cya! di yan tsismis! nakikinig kasi kayo sa pastor nyo! mahilig sa tsismis yun!

      • Magsasaka

        si raul cabonce may kaso pero itinatago ni damaso de dios pueblos sa kanyang malapalasyong tahanan at ang sabi nya sa santo papa lang mananagot si raul cabonce
        magbago ka na, imulat mo ang sarado mong mutaing mata hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        magfile ka sa korte! alam na alam mo pala ang problema. dito ka satsat ng satsat! kung may ibedensya ka ilabas mo! 

      • Magsasaka

        aba eh talaga nga namang napakamangmang mo, eh forum ito eh, sige mag sign language ka nyahahaha

    • j1u2a3n

      Dapat lang makulong ang mga child molester kahit sino pa s’ya.  Pero mabalik tayo sa isyu ni Celdran. Dapat din s’yang makulong, ‘di ba?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JYNDFCAF24UTRJ25HL6E4U7LT4 Oliver

    He deserved it! wala sya sa kaayusan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

    karamihan dito mga BORN AGAINST CHRISTIAN, napansin ninyo!

    • done_druff

      Parang nga… pati Atheist at protestante…

      Basta sure ako… madami ritong Church basher!

  • brunogiordano

    Si CELDRAN at ang abogado niya ay confident na sila ay TAMA at suportado ito ng Human Rights at handa silang paabutin ito hanggang SC. Kaya ayaw nilang mag avail ng PROBATION.

    Ito ay hindi ordinariong kaso ng pambabastos ng isang tao sa isang public social/religious gathering.

    Ito ay FREEDOM OF SPEECH vs RELIGIOUS PREVILEGES.

    Sama ako ng sampo na TAMA sila CELDRAN sa kasong ito.

    • done_druff

      Pre naman at bakit sampu lang tinaya mo? Baket di ka siguradong mananalo sila noh? Umamin ka na at di naman kita kilala eh. Oks lang yun.

      Freedom of Speech ba ang magsisigaw sa gitna na isang celebration?

      Sige nga punta ka sa gitna ng floor ng Congress while in session at sumigaw ka ng mga “MAGNANAKAW”

      Ako tayo ako sayo ng 1,000 at kulong ka! Bet?

      • Magsasaka

         hindi rin, nabalitaan mo yong isang 15 years old na estudyante na gustong ipakulong ng kanilang governor dahil sinabi nitong magnanakaw ang governor, idinemanda ng governor ang bata pero napawalang sala dahil walang nakitang malisya ang korte ng sabihin ng bata ang mga salitang iyon, take note wala pa yong batas ni pangilinan noong mga panahon na iyon.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        tsismoso ka rin pala! san mo nman nakuha yan pastor!

      • Magsasaka

        hindi yan tsismis dahil ibinalita mismo yan dito sa inquirer, ikaw ha tumigil ka na sa pananakip butas, kung gusto mo ikaw na mismo magsaliksik, raul cabonce lang ang keyword

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        since alam mo pla, di tulungan mo un kawawa! wag kang satsat dito at wala mangyari sa sinasabi mo!

      • Magsasaka

        mayroong mangyayari sa sinasabi ko dahil unti unting ng nababawasan ang mga mangmang, isang patunay?naging batas ang RH bill hehehe

      • done_druff

        Sabi ko bro gawin mo yung stunt sa gitna ng session ng Congress. Yung bata ba ginawa nya yun? Kung hindi, ala ka sa hulog din.

    • Magsasaka

       gawin mo ng bente hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        liit…punta ka nalang sa simbahan at magala celdran ka! tingnan natin…i timing mo na sunday un may misa! gusto mo abangan kita? sabihin mo kung  saan at kailan, at oras!

        dun makita mo un free speech mo!

      • Magsasaka

        sige abang ka don, pero kapag nalaman kong isa ka sa mga pedopiliang pari puputulan kita manyakis ka

      • brunogiordano

        Sorry, poor lang ako. At kuripot dahil walang pera.

        Ayaw ko naman magpabayad para maging TROLL na tulad ng ibang nagpo-post dito.

      • Magsasaka

        bakas tayo bro, sa akin yong sampu

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

    ikaw celdran malakas loob mo sa kaya mong i-bully…tingnan ko sumigaw at magdala ng placard saying something not to your liking about Islam and infront of them while praying…TINGNAN KO KUNG SAAN PUPULUTIN ANG mga ulo mo….

  • marionics

    What
    do you have when a Catholic Priest is buried up to his neck in sand?

    Not
    enough sand.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      a printer like you! post ng post! hahaha! cge post ka pa printer! wala bang pickup line ka? hahaha!

      • tiriring

        dada ka nang dada dito…hoy punta ka na sa quipo at makita mo ang hinahanap mo!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        andun ako lagi. san ka dun! duwag! kung sabay sa Victory ka pa la! toink!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

    @brunogiordano….talaga???!!!! as i said gawin ninyo ito while the Muslims are doing their prayer…HUMAN RIGHTS????— well your rights end where mine begins!!!!!

  • j1u2a3n

    May wife si Celdran? Hmmmm. Anyway, tama lang na naparusahan s’ya. Nakakatawa lang na s’ya pa ang galit. Kung talagang may paninindigan s’ya sa mga isyu, ba’t ‘di rin s’ya magprotesta sa mga moske?

    • Magsasaka

       moske?nakikialam ba ang muslim sa government affair?gandahan mo analogy mo hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        anak ng kuwago. maluwag un tornilyo ng ulo ni celdran. kampi ka pa? hahaha…kung sa bagay pareho utak nyo! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        pttttng inamo tuta ka ni satanas carnival tagle sinungaling na wagas ASO! ka pinakakain ka nila ng dog food aso ka ni DAMASO!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        sinong matinong tao ang magmumura sa isang tao na di naman nya kilala ng personal? si satanas lang at kampon nya gagawa nun.. regards sayo bro.

      • done_druff

        Teka asan ka ba? Ah nasa norte ka pala nadistino…

        Hindi mo ba alam na may special court of Sharia sa atin? At siguro alam mo ang muslim na lalake pwedeng mag-asawa ng more than one!

        Good at nakakasunod ka… pwes, anong tawag mo dun in relation to government affairs? Hindi ba sila nagbiyayaan ng exemption?!

      • Magsasaka

        ayan mukhang naiinggit ka lang pala hehehe eh di magasawa ka rin ng marami

      • j1u2a3n

        Nakikialam ba ang Simbahan o naninindigan lang sila sa paniniwala nila? Ganito lang yan, kung pakikialam ang ginagawa ng Simbahan, pakikialam din ang ginagawa ng lahat ng tao. ‘Di ba pag may gusto kang ipatupad ng gobyerno dahil tingin mong tama ito pinapahayag mo ‘to sa pamamaraang kaya mo? At pag hindi ito napatupad, sasabihan mo ang iba na wag nang iboto/suportahan ang mga namumuno na ‘di nagawa ang gusto mo. Hindi pakikialam ang tawag d’yan, pagmamalasakit sa bayan.

      • Magsasaka

        ganyan ang pananaw ng MANGMANG

      • j1u2a3n

        Mangmang? You can’t even engage me in a healthy discussion. Sino ang mangmang? Well, di kita matatawag na mangmang dahil malaking insulto ito sa kanila. 

      • Magsasaka

        healthy ang tawag mo sa pagiging mangmang mo?sabagay ganyan talaga mag isip ang mga may inverted brain hehehe

      • j1u2a3n

        Ang hilig mong gamitin ang salitang mangmang. Ever heard of the word projection? Check mo ang meaning para ma-enlighten ka.

      • Magsasaka

        ikaw na magcheck para mabawasan kamangmangan mo

      • j1u2a3n

        Hahaha! Tanga!

      • Magsasaka

        you’re pointing at me with one finger and the other three are pointing at you nyehehehe

      • j1u2a3n

        Tanga ka talaga.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        Ano ba ang BansaMoro?.. ARRM, AbuSayaff? Muslim rebellion sa south di ba pakikialam ang tawag dun? Bulag ka nanaman.. basta talaga katoliko ang talas ng ilong mo hehehe

      • Magsasaka

        mga extermist ang mga iyon, katulad mo extreme ang pagiging bulag na tagasunod

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      ang nakakatawa, kampi pa mga born again sa kanya! tapos un human right nagsalita din about free speech! anak ng tipaklong!

    • justjarred

       Bakit pakikialaman ni celdran ang mga Muslim? Wala syang personal na galit sa mga muslim sa pagkakaalam ko.

      • j1u2a3n

        Ding! Ding! Ding! You just said it. Personal na galit lang pala kaya n’ya nagawa ‘yon sa gitna ng isang misa at hindi dahil sa isang paninindigan. Pero alam mo bang ang mga konserbatibong namumuno sa Islam ay langtad na nangangampanya din laban sa contraception? Kahanga-hanga ang paninindigan nila. People may not agree with them, but they stand by their belief. Naisabatas na ang RH bill, so we must all move on. Maging gabay sana ang nangyari kay Celdran sa mga darating pang isyu na maaring kumontra ang Simbahan. Maaring tama naman ang argumento/paninindigan ni Celdran, pero mali ang pamamaraan n’ya sa pagpapahayag nito. Yun lang naman.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

    talaga???!!!! as i said gawin ninyo ito while the Muslims are doing their prayer…HUMAN RIGHTS????— well your rights end where mine begins!!!!!

    • Magsasaka

      ang simbahan nakikialam sa government affairs ang ibang religion hindi, nakuha mo ba?
      ang panget ng analogy mo pangkanto na sablay pa hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        ito pang isa…si ka antonioluna – general drone ng born again!

      • Magsasaka

        aba eh hindi kita kasama hindi magkauri ang utak natin, utak mangmang ka eh tagapagtangol ng tatay mong pari at dahil sa kamangmangan mo ayos sa iyo ang ginawa ni raul cabonce, garcia at jessie mercado

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        scanner…same issue pinapalabas mo…sa tabloid  ka na lang!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        Oo nga di kayo magkauri, tulad ka ng ama mo mapagmatas ang tingin sa sarili. Dyablo ikaw na ba yan?

      • Magsasaka

        sino ba ang nakakakilala sa dyablo kung hindi ay kapwa nya dyablo hehehe

      • done_druff

        Sirang plaka na itong nakikialam ang simbahan eh… It is her right in exercising her freedom of religion. Mahirap bang maintindihan ito?

      • Magsasaka

        mag isip ka ng kaunti ha, ang religion ay pang ispiritwal na aspeto ng tao ganon lang kasimple at kaya nga nakalagay sa ating salingang batas ang separation of church and state eh, sirang plaka dahil paulit ulit nilang ginagawa?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

        kung pang-ispiritual lang na aspeto ng tao ang religion ano’t nagkakandahirap pa ang mga taong naniniwala sa Diyosd na mabuhay sa mundong ito na puno ng mga material na bagay.

        Nagtratrabaho tayo sa isang material na kumpanya. Kumakaintayo sa gawa ng mga taong lumaki sa material na mundo. Nag-aaral tayo at nakikisalamuha sa mga taong  di naman naniniwala sa Diyos.

        Ang sabi ni Jesus “Ibigay mo ang kay Cesar (Material World) ang para kay Cesar, at sa Diyos (Espiritual) ang para sa Diyos”. Hindi nya sinabing kalimutan mo ang isa at magpakadalubhasa ka sa isa.

        Kung tayo na naniniwala sa Diyos ay magsasawalang kibo na lang sa mga nakikita natin sa paligid at di tayo kikilos para itama ang nakikita natin na mali na ginagawa ng iba dahil sa batas na separation of church and estate baka tuluyang mabura ang mga taong maytakot at naniniwala sa Diyos.

        Si Jesus ay galing sa Diyos Ama (Spiritual) at naging Tao (Material world). Eh kung walang pakialam ang Diyos sa Material na daigdig eh dapat hindi na niya sinugo ang kanyang Anak.

        Hirap maraming tao rito ang baliko ang nakikita sa katoliko.

      • Magsasaka

        eh baliko ang pag iisip mo eh katunayan para sa iyo ang relihiyon ay diyos, may takot sa diyos sino?ang mga rapist priest?mga pajero bishop? hindi sila takot sa tunay na diyos dahil ang diyos nila ay pera.
        habang nagpipilit ka pagtakpan ang kamalian ng RCC unti unting namumulat ang mga tao sa tunay na pagiging demonyo ng kultong ito

  • Rae_E

    While Celdran’s style to express his views might be considered offensive but the bottom-line, it seems he’s still smarter than his accusers because he caught the public’s attention & his activism provided the impetus for the RH debates. Just like Mideo Cruz (I’m not a fan), you’ve got to shock our apathetic Filipino public to illicit a response on issues. The fact that the RH bill languished in congress for 14 years before it finally passed into a law is proof that numerous approaches didn’t work but a single antic by Celdran against the Damasos finally roused the public on the RH issue & keep them talking about him 2 years after his deed.

    • Don Dee

      Oh come on, I am pro RH and all that, but I am NOT giving Celdran any credit for it being passed. NOT ONE BIT.  It was a juvenile stunt. He didn’t earn any votes from congress for that. Trust me, he didn’t. As for Mideo Cruz, that’s just another a55shole that keeps me from being completely liberal. Mga kulang kulang ang turnilyo ang mga cinite mo. Jeesh man, kung kay Celdran lang ako nakining, e sana naging anti RH pa ako. Asar ako sa mga KSP.

    • done_druff

      You want instant recognition? Learn from the bashers and voila!

      The pattern and sure way is bastardized the Church! And media is one very critical and writes a lot of bad insinuations and propaganda against her.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLZFQ2IZZQRDSI3WULBSVB4MUU Romeo

    Lahat tayo may mga bagay na pinaniniwalaan (religion/issue) pero sana ilagay sa tamang lugar ang mga bagay na di natin sinasangayunan.

  • marionics

    Why
    did God make snakes just before Catholic Priests?

    To
    practice.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      nkakaantok un story mo!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

        MORONic siya eh! Pangalan pa lang stupid na!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Excellent, Bravo !

  • marionics

    Do
    you know how to save a drowning Priest?

    Take
    your foot off his head.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      zzzzzzzzzz!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      moron ic

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

    In his appeal,  Mr. Celdran’s  lawyer  should  question  the religious beliefs  
    and  persuasion  of  this Judge Juan Bermejo Jr.

    If they can  prove  that  the judge’s sense  of  impartiality  is compromised
    then Mr. Celdran’s  conviction  must be  thrown out.

    The  cards  were stacked against  Mr. Celdran right  from the beginning.
    He was  not  given a  fair trial.

    • done_druff

      So what is fair to you then? Where you observing the course of the trial? Share ka naman dito oh.

      At ngayon you are acting as a consultant/coach telling his lawyer that he did not do a good job that’s why his client will be incarcerated!

      And I thought you were reading the transcript. That very same religious belief you suggested did not do good in convincing the judge that Carlita is not guilty.

      Dali! Do your homework and share with the lawyer of Carlita! Time is running out. The inmates are salivating and wanted to experience a mestizo gay they can sodomize!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

        Done _druff ..If  we were  still in the Dark Ages,  you’d  make 
        an excellent  member  of  The Inquisition.  You know why ?Your  so called  ” Christian  Values”  are just breath – taking judging from you  post.
        I bet  you also  close your eyes when  you  pray.

        Now please excuse me while I puke!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hanep hanep ka talaga! 

        anyway you dont have Christian Values! what you have is Pastor Values for your info! 

        anak ng tipaklong!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

        Time to take  your meds, pre.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      i read the decision too.

      There was a subtle hint of prejudice, yes. Lets see how the appeal would prosper.

    • Don Dee

      Meron bang question of fact/evidence? Meron bang question of law? On both counts I see none. So now you resort to questioning the judge? Lol, good luck with that. Baka ma-contempt pa ang lawyer na mag attempt nito. Kumbaga, dapat nga nag plead na lang ng “no contest” so he can avail himself of a lower penalty (fine and no jail time).

  • quirinomayer

    Carlos, you publish your bank account so we who believe in your cause against the meddling of Padre Damaso in politics could contribute to the cost of your appeal. I am pledging P1,000.00.

  • marionics

    What’s
    the difference between a Catholic Priest and a catfish?

    One
    is a slimy, bottom dwelling, scum sucker. The other is a fish.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       you’re talking about lawyers.

      • marionics

        ika nga ng mga nasa american idol e, i made it my own hahaha

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hay…..zzzzzz!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ptttttttttng inamo aso ka ni satanas carnival tagle at ni bishop oscar cruz DAMASO salot gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo!

      • tiriring

        masahol pa sa aso yan… di bale, hanggang 6pm nalang yan sya.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        oo tiriring! na antok na nga ako sa nyo! 

        like to play with Doggie Ebs?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        relax Dogie Ebs….i am gonna send you to Cesar Milan for training. i am sure you will love it! No? ahhh, cge kay Taning! okay, dont get excited too much!

    • JuanTamadachi

      too bad your humor is lost on those who suffer from loi..

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    Church to move US priest in Bohol over sex scandal

    MANILA, Philippines – Church leaders in the Catholic Philippines said on Monday they would relocate an American priest after they found out he was convicted of sexual misconduct when he was a seminarian in 1988.

    Father Joseph Skelton is to be moved from his ministry in central Tagbilaran city where he has served for years to a still undisclosed place, an official at the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) 

    • done_druff

      Kita mo na, magrereport or post ka lang dito eh kulang pa! Ano gusto mo maniwala agad sayo?!

      The priest already served his sentence while in the US. So what is your problem?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

    This is great. The  government has  become  the  de facto  Inquisitor  
    and  Prosecutorial  Arm  of the Philippine Catholic Church.The government  exempts  the church  from  paying taxes  but  prosecutes  a taxpayer  like Mr.  David  Celdran.

    Mr. Celdran  says  the church  leaders  have forgiven him ” in the name  of the Lord
    but not  on the earthly  realm .”

    Very convenient !  Like Pilate  washing his  hands.

    • done_druff

      Ah talaga? So kung ang simbahan magdemand at naargabyado sila, ang gobyerno pala ang de facto Inquisitor! 

      Ahh… eh bakit kaaway ng gobyernong ito ang simbahan kung sabi mo eh de facto pala? Gulo mo ata pre?! 

      AT TALAGA PRE NAIINIS NA AKO SAYO AH… PAPADILAAN KITA KAY CARLOS CELDRAN PARA MAKILALA MO SYA! 

      KANINA KA PA DAVID CELDRAN NG DAVID CEDRAN DYAN EH! ANO KA BA TANGA OR NAGTATANGA-TANGAHAN?! EITHER OR BOBO PA RIN LABAS MO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      you are pardoned but you have to pay for your sins!

      gets mo!

      pero ako, bubugbugin ko yun demonyong ogag na un!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      yeah…you got Pastor Values in you! 

      10% please!

  • tabingbakod

    Tutal nasa negoyso ang simbahan sa pagtuturo ng magandang asal at pagbibigay ng tawad. Ang tama nilang gawin ay bitiwan na ang kaso para hindi makulong si Mr. Celdran. Humingi na ng tawad yung tao. Wala naman nasaktan na pisikal, wala naman nanakaw na kayamanan. At tsaka, hindi ko pa yatang maiisip ipakulong ang isang tao dahil nasaktan nila ang damdamin ko. Mga hari lang yata at diktador ang nakakagawa nayun. At kung sa isip nila mga hari sila, baliktad yata iyon sa turo mismo nila.

    Tama si Celdran na ipaalala sa mga Pilipino at simbahan ang karakter ni Damaso. Kamakailan lang, sinulat ng isang artikulo na hindi man lang humihingi pa ng tawad ang simbahan sa pamilya ni Rizal sa pambabastos nila sa katawan ng bayani nuong siya ay binaril. Ayaw bigyan ng simbahan ng marangal na libing kay Rizal kaya hinanap pa ng pamilya ang katawan kung saan ito ibinaon na wala man lang marka.

    Kailan pa humingi ng tawad ang simbahan sa mga Pilipino sa pagkunsinte at pagtulong sa pang-aabuso ng mga Kastila. Kahit aminin man lang nila na nagkakamali rin sila. Wala, kaya ngayon, kaysa magpakumbaba ang simbahan sa salitang “Damaso” lalo lang nilang binanalik ang panahon na bawal silang kontrahin.

    Alam ko na walang bahid ng malisya sa puso ni mr. Celdran. Na gusto nya lang makatulong mahihirap na pamilya nakakasama nya araw araw. Hindi siya politiko o parte ng isang makapangyarihang organisasyon. Ang mabubuting tao na nakukulong ay nagiging inspirasyon ng mga tao. Baka makagawa na naman ng bayani ang simbahan at nasa maling panig ulit sila ng kasaysayan.

    • done_druff

      Dyan ako hindi sang-ayon pren. Sa lahat ng mga pagkakataon ay ang simbahan naging tolerant, ngayon sa tingin mo kung hindi nila tutuluyan si Carlita eh hindi mauulit ito? Mali ka ng conclusion!

      Isa pa, hindi natin pinaguusapan ang damdamin mo at nung kung sino man. Ang title lang ng batas ay about “religious feelings”. Hindi ito iyong damdamin… hindi mo siguro binasa ano?! Basa ka muna then balik ka rito, hane?

      At teka teka, saan naman naging tama si Celdran sa pagpapaalala niya about sa karater ng Damaso? 

      Hindi mo siguro alam or bopols ka rin kung ano ang rason bakit hindi binigyan ng tamang libing si Rizal? Siguro alam mong mason si Rizal? Ah baka hindi… Wawa ka naman. Tulog ka nga siguro ng History class. Ano ang parusa at that time pag mason ka? Dali sagot!

      Sabi mo –> “Alam ko na walang bahid ng malisya sa puso ni mr. Celdran”.. Ahhh at intimate pala kayo ni Celdran! Jowa mo? Sige na hindi kita condemn for same sex relationship… later na lang…

      At kamo gusto nyang makatulong sa mahirap? Tama yan… at turo yan ng religion nya di ba? Eh ano ba kamo ang religion nya?

      Dali antay ako sagot mo!

  • tiriring

    must read … THE GREAT BETRAYAL by Charles Chiniquy…
    Just googles it..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      ring! pwede ba sa telepono? hehehe. 

      born again hello….hello? lohe lohe..same propaganda!

      • tiriring

        hoy magsimula ka na magdasal sa imahen mong kahoy o ceramic dyan..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        opo! ring!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    eVEN I was baptized catholic I WAS NOT OFFENDED FOR WHAT MR. CELDRAN DID…. Mr. Celdran is just a representation of more catholics member who are just silent for ASKING A REFORM IN THE CHURCH PRACTICES OF INJUSTICE….. I still stand to Mr. Celdran crusade because it’s also my crusade to kick-out DAMASO & ESKRIBAS mentality within the CHURCH! A CHURCH IS RELiGIOUS INSTITUTION THAT MUST PROMOTE GOOD VALUES ….. but what this DAMASO & ESKRIBAS promoting??? corruption of politicians for being silent once they received donation & contributions from the politicians they supported during election….. so who is the cause of corruption in our government???

    • done_druff

      At proud ka pa! Binabastos na yung place of workship mo ng isa mo ring katulad ng Katoliko at OKAY lang sayo!!! 

      I guess a lot of people here are either hater or just plain idi0ts!

      Challenge you bro. Come out in the open and do the same stunt that Celdran did! Takot ka sa batas? Wag at alam mo naman mali yung batas at tama ka di ba?

      And please do yourself a favor. Be a legitimate church basher by renouncing your faith. Catholics, as a member of the Catholic Church, must always follow Her teaching. Lipat ka na ng ibang religion. Kung nakalipat ka na, Thank you at nabawasan kami ng isang dissenter!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

        bRO. YOUR A BLIND FOLLOWER OF DAMASO & ESKRIBAS. iF i can only choose a religion BEFORE I CAME OUT IN THIS WORLD….I will do so. To tell you bro. most of the religions in this world where almost the same…MONEY! bro. I cant do the same with Celdran bacuase Im here in Middle East as OFW but when I came home I lost my interest to attend mass. If you live sorrounded by different religion you will realized the difference of each one of them…from leadership to practices & traditions. Your horizon will be widen. My FAITH is very much different from my RELIGION. bETTER bro read and read the NEW TESTAMENT and understand those…. any WHERE you go in this world you have a strong tool for your FAITH. bRO, religion is a POISON IN THE MIND.

      • Magsasaka

        plain mangmang hehehe, marami kaming katolikong hindi sarado, ikaw eh saradong sarado na sira ang ulo

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q55QQJZTH3F5IF26RUZ44CYKIU Sky Blue

      sus, d pa Damaso Damaso pa kayo… WALANG PERPEKTONG INSTITUSYON pre.. sa pamilya nga lang eh, bakit GOOD VALUES lng ba lahat nakukuha o nakikita mo sa pamilya?? my perpekto bang ama at ina?? kung may mali man hindi yun maitatama ng isa pang mali. At kung gusto mong kumalas, kumalas ka… pro kung gusto mong baguhin ang institusyon, magpari ka.

      gaya lng yan ng ginagawa ng mga pulitko, gusto dw nila baguhin sistema e d tumakbo sila sa eleksyon.

  • quirinomayer

    “The difference between Christianity and Communism is great.
    When someone strikes you on the face, you turn the other cheek. If you
    strike me on the face, I’ll hit you so hard your head will fall off.”  Former USSR Premier Nikita Khrushchev

    The local Roman Catholic clergy are not communists but from the case of Carlos Celdran, it appears that they are apt students of the way communists treat their enemies. That they have gone after Celdran is another proof that indeed, as Celdran alleged, they are still Padre Damasos.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      really! what a logic moron!

      anyway, it was good for him i was not there! I could have chopped his head off!

      • Don Dee

        Lol. I feel you my man. I am no longer Catholic, but still a Christian (and not the born again kind, “unaffiliated” would be my term for it). And no, like you, I am not the turn the other cheek kind. But I am trying… I am constantly trying. :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        that s well said!

      • magsasakasanayon

        wow! truly a Christian remark and undoubtedly righteously Catholic. and you blame Celdran from being disrespectful. I’m a Catholic and I’m ashamed you are too.

    • Don Dee

      I have to ask you, what is your religion? Even if it is atheism, if that is what you believe in,  that would be your religion. Would you give this Carlos Celdran the right to interrupt you in the exercise of what you believe in? In the place of your worship? You give him this right, you must give everyone the same right. Imagine what kind of society you are espousing. It is not about the CBCP or the RH Bill, it is about your right, and my right, and everyone else’s right to freedom of worship or exercise of religion.

      • done_druff

        Correct lang kita ah… Religion requires a divine entity or a supreme being, notably God. It is therefore, inaccurate to proclaim that Atheism is a religion.

      • Don Dee

        You are correct and the point is well taken. But to atheists, “science or materialism” is their “divine entity”. It is a contradiction in terms, but it is what it is in this given context. It is the anti-religion religion (an oxymoron).

    • done_druff

      Ah so you are saying that the striking of Celdran should be left unnoticed and should be ignored. If he strikes again and will more force, should the Church ignore him again?

      If during your wedding and Celdran barges through and call you a homo! What you will do? 

      Ah you will thank him because a person of Carlita Celdran made notice of you that he gave up his busy schedule just to ridicule you infront of your wedding!

      This is FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION that you want to point!!! Shall he go unscathed?

      Magpakatotoo ka!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      this moron really dont know what he’s posting, its not anyone on the clergy or any priests assigned in the Cathedral that brought the case of Celdran to the court, but some lay catholics who were present when cedran the gay made his antics inside the church.

    • boldyak

      we are governed by laws, no one is above the law, celdran violated a law…hirap ba intindihin yan?….hpa ingles ingles ka pa, hirap namanh umintindi ng batas…hahaha

  • kuz_n_efek

    Freedom is vital to human existence. But we can’t think of Freedom without thinking of Responsibility. Hence, Freedom should be in the context of Responsibility. They go hand-in-hand with each other. There’s a saying that says: “The freedom of one ends when the freedom of others begin.” 
    Freedom is always bounded with Responsibility. Moreover, laws are created to regulate the boundary between Freedom & Responsibility. One has the right whatever he or she intends to do, but at the same time he or she should be aware of his or her obligation not to destroy the rights of others. 
    Whoever doesn’t adhere the boundaries defined by the laws should be liable to face the corresponding penalties. In the case of Celdran, he should have been aware of his obligation not just his freedom of expression because at the end of the day he’s oblige to face the rule of law in this civilized Society.    

  • AlexanderAmproz

    The World only Trapos Clergy

  • AlexanderAmproz

    The World most archaic Clergy

  • AlexanderAmproz

    The World most untouchable Pedophiliac Clergy

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Pastor – Solomonic bible interpreter- engot!

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Should know that Salomon never existed.

        Herodote who was borne 100 yrs. after the supposed end of the great Salomon kingdom end,  he had written about every civilizations of his time and is the best scientific reference in that field, not one word about Salomon !

        In the highly developed Greek, Egyptian, Babylon civilization surrounding the very important Salomon Kingdom, not one single trace, not one single inscription, object, statue or what ever. Almost every single detail from this Antic time is Known, but Salomon isn’t.

        Archeologist didn’t believe to found one day a single detail remembering 
        “The Great Salomon Kingdom”

        Did you are ignorant or Gullible, or both together ?

        For the moment the Bible can be considered as a tale and legend book,
        still waiting for discoveries.

        Actually it was the Spanish best colonial weapon and today the
        best rapists and abusers “elites” protection.
        Arroyo used it like a drunkard.

        Fake text books are maintaining the country in a Gullible situation, as the Spanish did it since Magellan with a backward, obsolete and primitive teaching.

      • Magsasaka

        pagpasensyahan nyo na ang taong ito dahil bunga sya ng pinagisang katawan ng isang madre at pari, dahil bunga ng isang karumal dumal na kasalanan lumaki syang MANGMANG

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q55QQJZTH3F5IF26RUZ44CYKIU Sky Blue

      iba po kasi yung pagpapahayag sa pambabastos.., kung sa tapat ng simbahan okey lang siguro eh, sa loob ka pa at sumigaw… wew

  • buttones

    Yes I know, but I was just trying to draw the whole thing together, to simplify the question, to get the whole idea into some sort of academic question, I mean accusations leveled at me already of being some sort of ’born again’ a term , I have to confess I simply don’t understand, leads me to believe debaters, cannot express what it is they want to say.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Same here. Apparently, ‘born again’ people are active critics of the church.

      Its just funny that I, being not one of these born again christians, and knowing a few of them, never had the debate about anything religious. Hence, I can’t figure it out.

      I have had more frequent discourses with varying levels of fervor from atheists and agnostics.

    • done_druff

      Too late a hero madamme. You could have set the environment to a conducive and healthy one. But as I’ve said, where were you and you supposed to inaugurate the whole debate thing?

      Try me ma’am in a debate and I will (try) to understand you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      ok po.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      There is as many obsoletes religious fanatics in the Philippines than in the Muslim world, this is thanks an awful colonialism framing and supporting a repulsing Pajero and envelops corrupt politic. 

      Difficult to know witch on is the mirror of the other.

      The terrible consequences is Peoples and environment total destructions,

      today Pinoy’s future is abroad thanks of them and their rapist, greed and abuses culture, a Damaso one, Carlos Celdran is politically correct to denounce it laud and strongly

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        And the pastor of the new religion speaks! Bravo bravo bravo. I mean amen amen amen, 10% please!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        tama ka jan sa sinabi mo pastor parang obispo malalawak ang lupain at billion billion ang pera sa banko may share pa sa mining salot na obispo!

      • done_druff

        Pre mataas ba dugo mo? Galit ka ba? Parang na may sign ka nai-stroke ka ha… bulol na pati pagtype mo…

      • boldyak

        NAGMAMARUNONG LANG MGA YAN…PARA SIKAT

    • VindictivePanot

      you’re pretty :)

      • buttones

        And utterly ruthless as well. Behind my charming exterior lies the heart of one who will make her voice heard one day- and is it not true that every dog has its day?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        A lovely rebel without a cause ?
        A nice future is waiting for you, Hopefully !

      • ARIKUTIK

        Every dog has its master but a mad dog bites everyone. Celdran has a master for sure because he’s not mad at all. And a charming girl dreaming to be ruthless will always be a wet chick in rocking bed….. weeeeee ……….

      • buttones

        The quote is “ And youth must have its fling my boy, and every dog it’s day….”

  • marionics

    What
    do you call a smiling, sober, courteous person at a Catholic Priest convention?

    The caterer.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DZ4JXBXOEL42OLBV25ZMOBBCTU Niño

      Its called “marionics”. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Hahaha…napapatawa na naman ako! ayos pickup line ba yan ni printer marionics? hahaha!

  • tiriring

    orimus obispo sikolate sikolorom….
    aaaaamen….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hahaha…wag yan, popo si Dogg Ebs yan! hahaha!

      • tiriring

        sinong dogg ebs? hindi ko kilala yon..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

    kayong dalawa  ni done _ druff…bigyan  nyo  naman ng
    kahihiyan  ang ibang  tunay  na kristyano. 

    Please  !!

    • done_druff

      At baket ala bang katuturan mga argumento ko? Inaantay ko nga sagutin mo mga sagot eh kaso ala!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hahaha….pastor…nagmamagaling ka naman! san un pekeng bible mo…magbasa ka nga! wag dun sa pekeng bible mo!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    “insulting, aggrieving, and an intrusion of the holy liturgical worship.” ……… HOLY DAW!!! Ang mga DAMASO & ESKRIBAS na partisipante na nandun & the iniciator THEY ARE NOT HOLY…. paanong magiging Holy ang isang worship activity kung mga namumuno ay gumagawa ng INJUSTICE at CORRUPT! Mangilabot sila sa paggamit ng salitang HOLY. Itong mga pagano na ito ang sinasabi ng Kristo na ang mga taong gustong nakaupo LAGI sa pamunuan ng hapag kainan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      stupid comment! 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      nka drugs kana naman? holy cow! naniwala ka kasi sa pastor! ano, nagbigay ka pa ng 10% sa sahod mo? 

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Middle Age is gone since 600 yrs.

      Apparently not in the Philippines, as it started 450 yrs. ago,

      already late at Magellan time, today its time to rise up questions, better late than never !

      • Don Dee

        Actually, the shoe is on the other foot. Ang offending party are the ones trying to impose their “right” over the rights of others — those who support the right of Celdran to interrupt a religious service, in their time and place of worship. Religious intolerance is NOT a right. It is in fact a hate crime in the US. 

      • AlexanderAmproz

        In fact without to notice it you are showing how influenced you are by the American Culture, this more than normal for Pinoy’s who are under US colonial domination and brainwashed since more than a century.

        The US is a perfect example of intolerance’s.

        May I remember you to check the Philippines and US History.
        US is the World worst Genocidal History.

        Even recently G. W.  Bush(GMA friend) went to war using
        the infamous “GOD WITH US” words to words the also infamous
        Nazi “GOTT MITT UNS”, an intolerance symbol !

        Northern Protestants countries where till recently the most and real tolerant. This is changing as they are overboard by foreigner refugees mostly not integrated and Muslims.
        In Den Hague(Holland) there is more foreigner babies than the Dutch one !

        Non integrated expat tolerances level is considered at 10%
        this level is over 20% for Switzerland, considering to limit the foreigners numbers levels. Till now there is no discriminations at all, except for out numbers thief’s among them, 100% of the Magrebian’s(Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) refugees where arrested for drug pushing or thievery, even getting food, housings and pocket money. “arrested” mean to spend one hour or two at the police station, almost no deportations.
        For recidivists its few days jail with private, room and bath room, TV, usually god for two to four, 3 menu choices, Vegetarian, Meat, Halal meat, fish, every meal is with vegetables and fruits. Their lawyers are paid by the government. Never any brutalities or going on head news when it happened. In case there is police or jailers responsibility, they will be sanctioned or dismissed.

        So many illegal Pinoy’s are there, never any problems, appreciated they are ! Most of them are Arab’s run away nannies or embassies housing employees and secretary for the legal one.
        Etc, etc.

        EC is an other World than the States on a social services and human point of view.

    • tiriring

      Tama ka erec….
      true worship starts with clean hearts..
      Pageantry ang ginagawa nila.. puro porma…

    • boldyak

      KUNG HINDI SA IYO HOLY, SA AMIN HOLY…KUNG GUSTO MO RESPETUHIN RESPETUHIN MO ANG IBA…SIMPLE LANG…

    • Don Dee

      You have your opinion and you have the right to express that opinion. However, you have no right to IMPOSE that opinion on others. E sa holy ang mass sa mga taong nagsisimba e, paano ngayon? Ikaw lang ang tama? Ganun ka kagaling? Sheesh. You are way worse than the people you are condemning. Look in the mirror. Baka naman hindi ka perpekto. Baka naman hindi ka laging tama. Baka naman kung minsan, tama rin ang iba.  At siguro naman, meron din karapatang sumamba ng matiwasay ang mga taong iba ang opinion sa iyo? O ano sa tingin mo? Ikaw na lang ang JUDGE, JURY, and EXECUTIONER? Who died and made you king?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_74SBEBVBXDCXO2ZOMWALWWIEIQ yahoo-74SBEBVBXDCXO2ZOMWALWWIEIQ

    Celdran should have protested outside the Church. He would be properly exercising his right to free speech.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      correct ka dyn! e problema maluwag kasi tornilyo nito! di rin alam yun good manners and right conduct!

      • boldyak

        NAGPAPAPANSIN LANG YAN PARA DADAMI CUSTOMER NYA SA INTRAMUROS…

    • Don Dee

      Yes, it is as simple as that. And I would have supported him. But no, not  when he violated the rights of others’ freedom to exercise their religion. And I personally would not let any a66hole interrupt me in my place and time of worship. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS IS PUT YOU IN JAIL SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! CBCP BISHOPS SALOT!

    • done_druff

      ito pa isang ito at papansin! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Doggie Ebs…next time let them know you who you are! Okay? For the meantime, stay low, you smell bad!

  • marionics

    Why
    are Catholic Priests like nuclear weapons?

    When
    they land, they prevent anything from functioning for the next hundred years.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      ako lng nagkokoment! di umuobra jokes mo? gusto mo try mo dun sa mandaluyong? i am sure marami matatawa sa jokes mo!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Matapang si Celdran na pumasok sa simbahan at manginsulto kailangan matapang din sya na harapin at himasin ang selda! Di pwedeng itoerate yan ! Sa ibang simbahan nya gawin yan at agaw buhay syang lalabas.

    • BatangSingapore

      kamo kung ibang relihiyon ang nilibak nya ay firing squad inabot nya hahahahahaha.

  • http://twitter.com/judefawley Jude Fawley

    To hell with the clergy! Our country needs the spirit of European Enlightenment

    • done_druff

      O really?! Try to propose here. Let’s start counting!

      And please include Ministers, Pastors, and the like. To hell with them also, di ba?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hahaha…ito pang isang baliw…ang dami na nila! hahaha!

    • boldyak

      GO TO EUROPE…AND YOU GO TO HELL!!!

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Your comment show how ignorant you are !
        Avoid to comment what you don’t know !

        Nobody left on the side walk, free health cares, schools and best universities for everybody with a valuable brain, plus housing and food for the poorest.
        In the best EC countries, social housing are better than the supposed luxury condominium !

        Jesus Christ messages where turned into Laws in this Hell !

        In the Philippines lost Paradise, out side an antiquated liturgy,

        Nothing, but absolutely nothing is Christian.

        The fashion is Laying, Robbing, Torturing, Killings, Rubout, Corruptions,
        in short the jungle Laws squeezing the poorest to Hell

        A Palparan and berdugo paradise under Clergy watch !

    • Don Dee

      Religious intolerance is a HATE CRIME in most of the west (Europe) just so you know.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        With a similar action in EC, almost everybody will have laugh, no way to get jailed .

        The worst it could have happened is one hour at the police station.

        If the Clergy will have taken a single action against, a final discredit will be the boomerang !

        This is the differences with an indecent ignorant, intolerant backward third World Country and the tolerant, educated, advanced, developed World.

        Carlos Celdran is an Feudal obscurantism Victim.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Matapang lang si Celdran na pumasok sa Catholic church kase alam nya buhay syang lalabas. Gawin nya yan sa ibang relihiyon at di na sya sisikatan ng araw! hahaha.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      TAMA LANG GINAWA NI CELDRAN DAHIL ANG OBISPO WAGAS NA SINUNGALING SALOT SINABI NILA BAWAL MAG SINUNGALING SILA NAG SISINUNGALING GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • BatangSingapore

    yun mga militante nagsabi ng exercising his freedom of speech, dun nyo praktisin sa selda.  tignan natin kung maibenta nyo sa mga preso ang bulok nyo pananaw lol.

  • glenn_detour

    Serves him right. Although I supported the RH Bill and had defended it in discussions I do not subscribe to his ways of expressing himself. We are a civil society with civil fora. We cannot just declare our detestation to an idea that way. It was pure irresponsibility and childishness.        

    • done_druff

      Someone is talking sense here!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      What the problem, the Clergy is worst than a cholera septic tank.

      Pity for the Gullible goers who are only collaterals damages.

  • marionics

    Why
    does Italy have the most Priests, and New Jersey have the most toxic waste
    dumps?

    New
    Jersey got first pick.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CELDRAN IS REAL PILIPINO!! JESUITS MONSENYOR BISHOPS SALOT SA PILIPINAS!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Doggie Ebs relax!

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Doggy style is a Priest and Clergy traditional culture habit.

    • jundemar cabeguin

      mas salot ka 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/46NOSYQMCLCA2PR4AHPZM6FW2E Nancy

    I
    am not a Catholic. But just like the Catholics I believed that the church
    building is a holy place for the faithful because it is a place for worship.
    Many go to church because they wanted to feel the presence of God and be
    showered with blessings. For them, it is a comfort zone. While I agree that Manila
    tourist guide Carlos Celdran has the right to express his opinions about the
    interference in the RH issue of the catholic priests personified by him as
    Damaso  in Rizal’s novel Noli Me
    Tangere, but doing it inside the church and right at the altar, a sacred
    ground, while the priest is conducting mass is inappropriate. Celdran has not
    only offended the priests but also the sensibilities of the worshippers inside
    the church who sought God’s presence but was disturbed. For them it was a sign
    of disrespect to God. There is always place for everything. In this case, the
    place chosen by Celdran is not right.

    • jundemar cabeguin

      tama, hindi puro freedom , maging reponsable naman siya

    • AlexanderAmproz

      What about Altar Boy’s,

      According to you, do they are also sacred ?

      according to me the Clergy is the first among all urinating permanently on the sacred 

      Values, and apparently enjoying doing so.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Beware !

    The Philippines Clergy is a 500 yrs. old monster fermented can of worms ready to blast with a puri//git  smelling rotten eggs, keep distance !

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Hahaha pastor! Kawawa ka naman! You should keep distance coz you might get burned! Satan trembles even by the name of our Lord!

  • boldyak

    sa picture pa lamang alam mo na gusto lang sumikat ang laos na…

  • boldyak

    Human Rights Watch, magbasa kayo ng batas…paano ang human rights ng mga dumalo sa loob ng simbahan?…mga honghang

  • tiriring

    circumcised ba ang mga pari? tanong lang?

    • wood68

       pertaining to their hearts? no!

      • tiriring

        yan ang ibig ko malaman… thanks wood68..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      oy may plano!

      • tiriring

        marumi ang isip mo… hoy saan ka na at tutuliin tayo!

    • jundemar cabeguin

      ei silipin mo

  • http://twitter.com/akosijapney Al Japney J. Loredo

    We are in a democratic country, however, let’s not forget that freedom is not absolute. Celdran should learn a lesson. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Not only him. There are lots here who are bobo like him!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      What about the Journalists assassinations, 

      enforced disappearances, extra Judicial killings, natives mass murders, corruptions taking away the food from starving children’s, fake text books, do are all of those a Clergy and Trapos a way of life ?

      What about the Clergy uncountable rapes and children’s molestations and obvious corruptions ? They even rob the Church antic icons to buy prostitutes or feed their scandalously hidden psychologically traumatized children’s, all of that pretending on same time to be Christians and pretending to give others fake moral values.
      Shame on them !

      When looking at it they are permanently tolerated, time to time a triggerman is mistakenly arrested, nobody want to know the sponsor name ?

      Those are the real cherish Clergy and Trapos traditional cultural moral values,
      while throwing innocents in jail, such a disgusting colonial system !

      Only da Philippines, a Clergy and crooks Paradise !

  • http://twitter.com/judefawley Jude Fawley

    “I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals.”

    Martin Luther

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      true for BORN AGAIN like you! 

  • AlexanderAmproz

    So sorry I didn’t attend to this, it will be the Year best performance.

    Carlos Celdran deserve to become a famous Artist

    They should have him excommunicated and nailed on the Cross as an exemplary punishment to show the Clergy true color, on purpose to make him World famous…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    Just a question to ponder upon:
    Does a Filipino lose his right to express his opinion, to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, to organize legal rallies, etc. just because he became a priest, bishop, pastor, minister, imam, etc.?
    The obvious answer is NO, because the separation of Church and State does not deprive any Filipino  his right to express his opinion, his right to make a stand in any social political issues of the country, his right to organize legal rallies,  his right to vote, not even his right to run for any elected public office, just because he became a priest, bishop, pastor, minister, imam, etc.  Remember Panlilio, a priest who ran for governor of Pampanga.   There was no Constitutional provision that deprived him of his right to run for public office  even if he is a priest!
    Before making any reaction, make sure that you review the jurisprudence of the Separation of Church and State, lest ignorance cloud our objective judgement of the matter at hand!!!
    It is interesting to hear what lawyers and judges would have to say!!!

    • http://twitter.com/akosijapney Al Japney J. Loredo

      So what’s your point?

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Among Ed saved the Church dignity face, an outstanding honest Priest, 

      rarest than the country best pearl !

      My best hope is the Clergy and Politicians who despised him, will start to respect him 

      and follow his accountability example for Philippines Forward !

      Long and nice life to Panlilio !

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    iba na ngayon sa pilipinas pag nag sasabi ka ng tutoo may katapat ka jesuits ni DAMASO salot mabuhay ka celdran basta cbcp bishops mag sinungaling wagas manlilinlang dyablo satanas carnival tagle damaso gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo! dyablo

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      hindi naman makukulong celdran dahil nag sabi sya ng totoo, pero ginawa sa maling lugar at oras.  Ang OA mo naman

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ASO KA NI DAMASONG OBISPO SI CELDRAN AY BAYANI MABUHAY KA!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        hoy Doggie Ebs! you forgot, kaw yun aso!  …ay naku! go to the corner and sit!

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        hayaan mo na yan pre…ganyan talaga yan…meron sili labuyo sa puwet…

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Beg your pardon, but Doggy is a Clergy homo center “style”

  • http://yahoo.com koy-bili

    is the church vendictive? nagtatanong lang ….. peace :)

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      doing wat is appropriate is not vindictive…serving justice is not vindictive…

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Obsolete and overboard Laws are only for the poorest !

    • Don Dee

      Well Mr. Celdran could ask for forgiveness and appeal for clemency. But he has to ADMIT he was wrong. Without that remorse, there can be no forgiveness. Ikaw ba, magpapatawad ka ba ng taong clearly is only saying “sorry” so he can get away with the crime? Kung galit siya sa church, which clearly he is up to this time, then this is the time to man up! Magpakulong kung kulungan ang katumbas ng prinsipyo. Medyo mapapa bilib ako. Otherwise, he is just a chicken with no backbone. Parang isang pusa kumain ng sariling suka.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Forgive yes! Sins, he should PAY!

  • Platypus09

    The second fall of Rebellious Jose Rizal…..

    In this modern era, you are gonna rot in jail, gat.

    No more sympathy for you for inappropriate behavior.

    This time, he has no Katipuneros as his allies.

    This time, he needs to go jail, and he is stripped off of his title due to rudeness, disrespectful, and not thinking right.

    What was he thinking and smoking this time?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS COME TO YOU AND POLICE PUT YOU IN JAIL BEAWARE TO THE DAMASOS MONSINYOR IS MOST POWERFUL DAMASO IN PHILIPPINES THEY ARE A LIARS!! MABUHAY KA CELDRAN TUNAY KA PILIPINO ALAM MO NAMAN OBISPO SALOT GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO!! SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Doggy style is fitting to the Clergy assembly dignity and moral values

  • becivilized

    two months to one year is not enough. this man celdran should be put in the firing squad at luneta wearing the likes of jose rizal 

  • Edwin Ciriaco

    His statement:

    “I am afraid for the Filipino people because this is a precedent that, when you question the Catholic institution, they can bring you to court and put you in jail,”

    Kulang lang sa common sense tong taong to.

  • ThingkingThomas

    i like this guy. goes to jail for what he believes in. alternative martyr, pwede.

  • TGM _ERICK

    Our freedom of speech is limited.  The place where Cekdran voiced his indignation was a church where there was a peaceful gathering. He did not only hurt   and disrespected  religious feelings and a religious activity but disturbed the peace.  Those gathered were one in voicing out  their praises  and thanksgiving to their  beloved God  as they launched the handwritten Bible.  Then here came Celdran scandalously going against the common voice of  worship.  Thus he should be given sanction too in  disturbing the peace.

  • http://mikeabundo.com/ Mike Abundo

    If Rizal were alive today, he would be in prison.

  • TGM _ERICK

    Ako’y naasiwa sa paggamit ng freedom of speech sa pagtatanggol kay Celdrran.  Tanong ko lang,  Kapag  kayo na magulang ay pagmumurahin ng mga anak ninyo, anong gagawin ninyo?  Freedom of speech iyan!   Kaya naku, hangngang ngayon mahirap na bansa pa rin tayo, dahil karamihan ay di ginagamit ang kukote. Imosyunal!  SOOOOOOOORRRRRII i I mga ilang Kabayan!

    • scolexx

      baka naman hinalay yung bata kaya pinagmumumura si father. ung ibang bata nga hindi na nakapagsalita dahil sa takot at kahihiyan.

      • TGM _ERICK

        Kung may ganuong magulang ihabla ng asawa. Wala ng galitan. Ipapulis, idemanda ang Tatay para makalaboso.

      • scolexx

        korek. kawawa naman freedom of speech ng mga batang hinalay ng mga prayleng katoliko no? hehe. 

  • AllinLawisFair

    Carlos Celdran’s rights have been violated by the court which should be the first to defend it. He was just expressing an opinion which may be inconvenient to those who were offended, and as always “Truth hurts.”

    • Don Dee

      And you would be the ultimate arbiter to this “Truth” that hurts huh? Tell me this, say I want to exercise my freedom of expression during your daughter’s wedding, or your mother’s funeral, would I have violated anything? If you support the cause of Celdran, you have to support my right to make a mockery of any and all “sacred” events in your life. So do you?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        I will not anymore put a foot in a church, except for architecture, art exhibit or concert, alike they are doing it in Holland and some magnificent cathedrals in Europe. 
        For me the Bible is no more no less than a tales and legend book who had a hugh influences on the western societies, the best of it, what is “sacred” went into law, like to respect human life and dignity(an unknown word in the Philippines), share, turned into steal, protect the weak and poor, turned into the Jungle laws. 
        In the Philippines the worst of it is used on abuses purposes, driving one of the world nicest country and peoples into limbo, just look around yourself the result, crimes, corruptions death, starvations, hopelessness, pollutions and land destructions every where. Unfairness is the rule, Europe opposite !

        Every religions are the very same, they have a Darwinian existence, appear when needed, evolute and disappear. 

        In the Philippines it was imported by the Spanish as a war domination tool on purpose to rape and enslave the country, no evolutions, thanks the country isolation, the “elites” and Clergy only interested to enriched themselves by hook or by crook, the result is not acceptable on a Christian philosophy point of view.

        The quality of the religion is the same as every imported things in this colonial slavery country considered by some as a trash can !
        What is ban in the developed countries is smuggle by unscrupulous “elites”, like Danding Cojuangco did with Endosulfan on the too famous Sulpicio “Princess of Cebu” wreak, putting the rescue effort in danger and killing the sea life.

        I have hundreds similar deadly examples in mind.

      • oca127

        EH DI HWAG! KUNG AYAW MO NANG PUMASOK SA SIMBAHAN PARA MAGSIMBA WLANG PIPILIT SA IYO!!!

  • TGM _ERICK

    Mas responsable pa si Sisa kay Celdran at di nagtsisigaw  kay Padre Damaso sa simbahan sa paghanap kina Delfin at Crispin na mga anak niya.  Alam nating nabaliw na ang kawawang ina. Sno  kaya ang baliw talaga sa dalawa, si Sisa o si Celdran!

     Sige na grupu-grupo na tayo. Sino ang kay Sisa? Sino ang para kay Celdran?  Hehehehe!

  • DirtyHarryLim

    Ok lang yan Mr. Celdran.  Pamukha mo sa mga pari ng simbahan na kaya mo panindigan ang paniniwala mo,

    • Don Dee

      Kayang panindigan? Then shouldn’t have done the half-hearted apology. And taken the punishment like a man. He should keep giving the church the finger by smiling as he is sentenced (Ninoy Aquino did that when he was sentenced to death by firing squad). As it is, all this crying and whining and drama to get public sympathy shows him to be the coward that he is at walang paninindigan. 2 months to 1 year lang naman sentensya,  even Robin Padilla could that.  

      • DirtyHarryLim

        Oh really? Did you see him whining?  Where? in the news?

      • Don Dee

        The appeals for public support via social media is whining! If he wants to stick it to the man, he should take the sentence and not even make an appeal for clemency. Ask no quarters from the people you despise. He did make that half-assed aplogy didn’t he?

      • DirtyHarryLim

         Appeal for clemency? Show me the link where he is asking for clemency and the link where he asked for an apology.  I’m sure you could provide them instantly.

      • Don Dee

        Search ka sa facebook meron na syang page. You can not post links on the comments page unfortunately. As for his apology, read this article again. And here is the quote “Celdran, who has apologized to the Archdiocese of Manila,  said the Church leaders had forgiven him in the name of the Lord but not on the earthly realm.” Hindi paninidigan yan kung nag sorry ka.