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RH law takes effect; too late for mother of 22



Supporters of the Reproductive Health Bill (RH) celebrate as legislators passed a landmark birth control bill at the House of Representatives in Quezon City suburban Manila on December 17, 2012. Philippine legislators on Monday passed a landmark birth control bill paving the way for increased sex education and free contraceptives, despite intense lobbying by the Catholic Church. AFP PHOTO / JAY DIRECTO

A historic birth control law that took effect Thursday after years of opposition from the Catholic Church came too late for Rosalie Cabenan, a housewife who has given birth 22 times.

Frail, with a leathery face streaked with wrinkles, the 48-year-old Cabenan suffers from untreated gallstones and constant fatigue because her body has never had the time to properly recover from her successive pregnancies.

“We only wanted three children. But they kept coming and coming,” Cabenan told AFP this week at her ramshackle home in Baseco, a massive slum in Tondo, Manila, where more than 60,000 people compete for space.

“I was always pregnant and there was no time to take care of myself because I had to keep working to help my husband feed the children. I have tried everything, a stevedore (dock worker), a laundry woman, fish monger and a vegetable seller,” she said.

Mother at 14

 

Cabenan had her first child when she was just 14. When she nearly died giving birth to her youngest, who is now six, she finally abandoned the demands of the Church to not use contraceptives.

A devout Catholic who still goes to mass twice a week, Cabenan nevertheless regrets following the Church dogma so strictly and said she welcomed the Responsible Parenthood and Reproductive Health Act of 2012 that officially took effect Thursday.

“I tell women now, please do not be like me. I have too many children, and sometimes I do not know what to do and just cry, especially when they fight,” she said.

Although the law took effect as of Thursday, Hazel Chua, an official at the Department of Health’s family planning unit, said they were still preparing implementing rules and regulations, which will only be released in April.

Under the law, government health centers will have to have a supply of contraceptives, unlike in the past when local mayors could be intimidated by the Church into not providing birth control services, she said.

Sex education

The law requires government health centers to hand out free condoms and birth control pills, benefiting tens of millions of the country’s poor who would not otherwise be able to afford or have access to them.

It also mandates that sex education be taught in schools and public health workers receive family planning training, while post-abortion medical care has been made legal for the first time.

Proponents say the law will slow the country’s rapid population growth, cut widespread poverty and reduce the number of mothers dying at childbirth.

“This is a triumph for poor women and girls who would otherwise have no access to these things,” said the United Nations Population Fund’s country representative, Ugochi Daniels.

The Philippines has one of the highest birth rates in the world—3.1 for every woman—and the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the Asia-Pacific, according to the medical charity group Merlin.

The Catholic Church, which counts 80 percent of the Philippines’ 100 million people as its followers, had for more than a decade successfully lobbied and intimidated politicians into blocking probirth control bills in Congress.

However President Aquino, a bachelor who is one of the most popular leaders in the country’s history, used his political capital to defy the Church and help steer the reproductive health bill through Congress last year.

The Church, which disallows the use of artificial contraceptives, has continued to resist, warning prolife politicians they will be targeted in midterm elections this year and backing various groups’ legal challenges to the law.

Catholic groups have shifted the battle to the courts, filing petitions with the Supreme Court questioning the law’s constitutionality.

The law’s chief author, Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman, said he was confident the high court would uphold the change.

Asked to comment on the plight of Cabenan, one of the groups that filed a petition with Supreme Court said her 22 children should be a cause for celebration and not regret.

“Children are never a liability.

In fact, in the provinces, the more children you have, the more it is considered a gift,” said Serve Life spokesperson Anthony Lanicao.

He also said couples with so many unwanted children were “partly at fault” because they should have checked their sexual urges.

For Cabenan, however, Church leaders are partly to blame.

“They tell you to go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by,” she said. AFP


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  • ryan andres

    To Arguelles and CBCP: Sana mabasa niyo itong article na ito. Although am pretty sure na yang “No Reconciliation while RH Law is in Effect” ay paninindigan ninyong mga bayuta kayo, sana unahin nyo ang mga taong katulad ni Mrs. Cabenan, na sya mismo ang nagsasabi na pinagtatabuyan ninyo ang mga katulad nya na nanghihingi ng saklolo sa simbahan ninyo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

    ignorance is the tool of the powerful who have nothing to offer but wish to cling to their post. it’s sad. she has the right attitude though. don’t blame God or the institution for its less than perfect people. just pray and do the right thing.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

      because none of us are perfect ourselves…

    • Angelicus1

      Pray? Sir, tell me an example of the prayer you think will straighten this out to the Almighty. Please write down that prayer for me. I am humbly yours but seething.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    ARGUELLES, you can go suck yourself.  LOOZER!!!

  • Hey_Dudes

    CBCP should make this mother poster girl displayed prominently inside catholic churches around the country.  She deserve their medal of honor.

  • tonyoks

    Need to say more?

  • Hunter421

    22 kids? Sick. So very sick.

  • DENAL

    the catholic church has already accepted evolution, soon it will change its mind in many things

  • Patrick

    “Asked to comment on the plight of Cabenan, one of the groups that filed a petition with Supreme Court said her 22 children should be a cause for celebration and not regret.”
    The woman suffers from over-stress, chronic fatigue, gallstones, poverty and the burden of taking care and feeding 22 children. 

    Somehow, I fail to see the reasons to celebrate. Maybe it’s just me?

    • Ommm

       Hang on…doctors just discovered those gallstones were actually 2 more children that didn’t come out…the life toll is now 24.

  • Angelicus1

    Sounds like Rosalie Cabenan has a lot more sense than Serve Life spokesperson Lanicao. “Children are never a liability”. Wrong, if you bring them to the world and don’t adequately provide sustenance because you are not capable.i.e. there’s too many of them. Children can be a liability, in fact by your neglect and abuse, they can turn into monsters and kill you as well as others, allegorically speaking.
    “Couples with unwanted children are partly at fault, because they fail to check their sexual urges.” Wrong numero dos.  So the children that come as a consequence of “not checking their sexual urges” are punishment? First you talk about children like they are always adorable and then you turn around and conclude they can be mistakes. Make up your mind! Your position is perverted, untenable. There is the modern contraceptive, very safe, very effective. It could’ve made Rosalie’s life happy and her children not screwed up (thanks to you)  if she in fact only had 3 children the way she wanted from the start. Why does Serve Life delight in making people miserable because of their convoluted reasoning? Or do they just want to claim the power to tyrannize by holding hostage their parishioner’s souls? The more people learn and get educated the less your “threat of hell” work. You are in a sinking ship.

  • w33k3nd3r

    O, CBCP, there’re lots of families like this in Pinas. You want them to go forth and multiply right? Then what? You plan to feed them? Send them to school? Guide them? What have you done so far? Get your hands out of the pants of the altar boys and do something else more helpful with them!

  • Angelicus1

    …like celibacy, women as priestess, gays in the church, tweaking the concept of hell, abandoning promises to (fools & ignoramus) that can’t be delivered, allowing flagellation and nailing at the cross, hypocrisy of some men of the cloth preaching poverty while they wear fur and live in gilded buildings for their houses… pretending they can’t hear nor see corruption of public officials plundering the state coffers….

  • RiverHorse

    i am against the RH bill but having 22 children is the height of ignorance and a lack of discipline. discipline and common sense is what the roman catholic church is pushing for.

    • jinx

      Ikaw kaya tumira sa barong-barong na napakasikip, lagi nagkadikit katawan niyo ni misis sa araw-araw, tingnan lang natin kung maisip mo pa disiplina. Problema sa inyong anti-RH, hindi kayo umintindi sa realidad ng lipunan natin. Pinapairal ang paniwalang hindi naangkop sa panahon ngayon.  Tapos ipu-push niyo ang natural method na napaka-walang kwenta.

      • RiverHorse

        i’ve been there, done that. sabi ko nga, disiplina lang yan. g@g0 kang pakialamero ka. ikaw, tumira ka ba sa barong-barong at dikit dikit na mga bahay? ang kapal ng mukha mo mangaral ah.

      • jinx

        Napaka-bobo mo!

      • RiverHorse

        sure kang nde salamin kausap mo?

      • txtman

        MADAMI KASING TAMAD

        KAGAYA NG TATAY MO

        KAYA AYAN

        DUMADAMI KAYONG MAHIHIRAP

        ASIDE FROM THAT

        ANG PINAKADAHILAN

        AY WALANG MATINONG TRABAHONG AVAILABLE
        .
        .
         WELL, SINCE APPROVE NA YAN RH BILL NINYO

        .
        .
         MAKE SURE

        NA BY THE END OF THIS YEAR

        LILIIT NA ANG TEENAGE PREGNANCIES, ABORTION, MATERNAL DEATHS
            AT LILIIT NA RIN ANG MGA MAHIHIRAP

        PERO IM SURE

        DADAMI NA MGA PAROKYANO SA MGA MOTELS

        KUNG HINDI

        LAMUNIN MO MGA CONDOMS MO

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
        .

        WAG KAYONG MANISI SA SIMBAHAN ULIT

        AT KUNG MAGING EXPERT MGA DALAGA NINYO SA CONDOMS

        WAG KANG MAGREREKLAMO KASI GINUSTO NIYO YAN

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

        PITIFUL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZAWDDLHJWFYFZKWAQIWBK5V7LQ ..!..

        tanga ka ba? it takes more than a year to measure ang social impact ng isang law.. it can take years…

      • txtman

        HUH?

        MORE THAN A YEAR?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        QUESTION HA

        SIMPLE QUESTION TO YOUR SIMPLE BRAIN AMOEBA
        .
        .

        MAY LAW AGAINST JAY WALKING

        IBIG MONG SABIHIN

        IT WILL TAKE MORE THA A YEAR TO SEE THE EFFECT?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
        .
        .
         KASISIMULA PA LANG YANG RH BILL NINYO

        EXCUSES NA AGAD ANG BUKANG BIBIG NINYO?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
        .
        .
         INENG, BOBO LANG MANINIWALA SA SINASABI MO

        PITIFUL NA TANGA

        .
        .
         PERO TAMA KA DIN

        IT WILL TAKE YEARS TO SEE THE SOCIAL IMPACT
            YAN RH BILL NINYO

        BY THAT TIME

        MGA EXPERTS NA MGA DALAGA AT BINATA NINYO
        .
        .
        .

        AND AGAIN

        PAPATUNAYAN ULIT ANG ATING KASABIHAN

        “NASA HULI ANG PAGSISISI”

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        PITIFUL NA TANGA

      • Albert Prestosa

        gusto ko sana mga comment ni txtman kasu……. masyadong condemnful… 

      • txtman

        JUST TELLING THE

        REALITY, INENG
        .
        .
        WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT

        THAT IS THE TRUTH

        PITIFUL

    • Albert Prestosa

      General rule po un, wag nyo po solohin please!

      • RiverHorse

        you don’t make sense. wala akong sinosolo, ugok. pag-isipan mo muna sasabihin mo para naiintindihan ng mga walang sayad, ok?

  • Angelicus1

    That was in reply to Denal about the church accepting evolution(vs. Creation only) , thus more changes are coming… see below.

  • w33k3nd3r

    Anthony Lanicao, I wish for you to have a vagina complete with uterus and have 22 children while your job is to sell fish at the market. I would like you to repeat your very words in this article after experiencing all that. Oh and by the way, f*ck you!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Bwahahaha, you got me at “F*ck You”.

    • henri_see

       how do you get to 22 children?
      this is as much the fault of the woman, her husband and the church.
      you can’t blame the government for every degree of human stupidity ever conceived.

  • jinx

    That Serve Life spokesperson is an epitome of a know-it-all holier than thou pain in the @rse.

    • RiverHorse

      it really does take one to know one, doesn’t it? hahahahaha!

      • jinx

        Sourgraping loser….

      • RiverHorse

        kausap mo na naman sarili mo ‘no?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SYG36KOOLRY47VA3ICPJJ5CQTQ ADD


    “The Catholic Church, which counts 80 percent of the Philippines’ 100 million people as its followers.” – This is no longer correct, the total number could be not less than 50% but not more than 70%. The 80 percent count has been handed down from old news articles. There’s no update on the real count of Roman Catholics in the country, but if you asked the Roman Church, they are 100 percent sure that 80% is not the real count, not even close to that. How would they know? Through dwindling church offerings and bank accounts locally and internationally.   

    …”one of the groups that filed a petition with Supreme Court said her 22 children should be a cause for celebration and not regret.” – Kahit ung magasawang walang anak, na pag pinapili mo kung childless or 22 children, mas pipiliin ung childless at mag ampon kaysa mag alaga ng 22 anak.

    “For Cabenan, however, Church leaders are partly to blame. “They tell you to go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by,” she said.” – Tsk, tsk, tsk, so true. Roman Catholic Church would not mind paying hundreds of millions of dollars to the sexually abused children committed by their own kind, but turn a blind eye to the real needy.

    • where_I_stand

      On population percentage: In the absence of statistics, the claim of 80% can still be our guide. Your assertion of its dwindling population based on decrease in collection reveals how fertile is your imagination but barren of facts.

      On Anthony Lanicao, Serve Life: In the rural area, for example, a farmer tends to view the increase number of his children as increased in work force. But at the same time, it also demands from him increase of budget for food and other basic needs. Moreover, children do not add significantly to productive work force in the farm. Adult work force is more productive. But children can be assigned to other domestic tasks.

      On Lanicao’s comment on the 22 children of Cabenan: I generally agree with the statement that children are gifts. To judge whether children are liability or not depends on the circumstances. In the case of Cabenan, having 22 children to feed is already a heavy burden to bear. Considering her situation, it is unthinkable that she and her husband did not get alarm and decide to do something about their family’s welfare. To say that having 22 children is not a problem is a case of hypocrisy. The argument that children are never a liability in the case of Cabenan is irresponsible and unchristian. This is a common mistake of the bishops and their loyal lay supporters: they failed to look at the life situation of the poor women and their children.

      On Cabenan’s religiousity: Participating in the mass twice a week, yet fail to avail of the natural family planning in the Parish where she belonged, betrays the reporter’s portrayal of Cabenan as a devout Catholic. She has faculties of reason and will to know and to do the good. She cannot blame the Church for her failure to make right decision about bearing children. Her poverty should not excuse her for making decision for his family’s well-being. When she gave birth to the 12th child, that would make her worried. I suspect about her claim that it was the prohibition to use contraceptives that hindered her to regulate her childbearing. I also doubt her statement that his parish priest tell her to go out and multiply. Such a statement is rather a reflection after she decided to stop giving birth of her 22nd child.

      If she truly approached her parish priest for help in feeding her children, at least during the birth of her 12th child, the priest would be able to know her life situation. Most likely, the parish priest would do something to help her or at best bring her case to the parish family ministry. Did she approach a barangay health care officer for help? What was the response then of the barangay health officer? Why single-out the Church for blame?

      If the Church should be blamed in the Cabenan’s case, it is the failure of her parish priest to at least visit her and shepherd her needs. If I am her parish priest, upon knowing that she already have a dozen of children, I would advise her to visit the parish family ministry office. Or better I would tell the personnel in the family ministry office to assist Cabenan in making decision concerning her family well-being. Using Cabenan to attack the Church’s teaching on contraception is doing harm than good… not to the Catholic church but to Cabenan herself.

      Personally, I take pity of Cabenan–she is one face among the million faces of unnamed women. It is the primary responsibility of the government to provide safe reproductive health services to its citizen. This is why I supported the RH law.

    • Isagani Gatmaitan

      The RC inhibits debate on demographic policy but fails to address issues of political economic structural reforms, or, social services delivery. Anti RH pero hindi pro sa minimum wage, land reform, progressive taxation (no to VAT), etc. Their schools and hospitals are run like businesses not eleemosynary institutions. Hypocrisy of the highest order!

  • $37644997

    The government should come up with a law that prohibits women to marry as young as 14 years of age and this has nothing to do with the catholic church.

    • Hey_Dudes

       There is a law against minor marrying in the country now or didn’t you know?  Problem is, we Filipinos are good in going around things like this specially if the minor is already pregnant.  Parents tend to lie about their true age.

      • $37644997

         Seriously I really didn’t about the law.So,this goes back to responsible parenthood and I strongly beleived that poverty is also the culprit.They think it is better to marry just to alleviate life itself or poverty.

  • boybakal

    RH law takes effect; too late for mother of 22…

    It is not too late to make it 24 or 2 Dozens..
    Twenty two is not a good number per fengshui.
    If you buy eggs, you don’t buy one dozen and 10 either two spaces are empty.
    Dalawang dosenang itlog is always we say.

    Make it 24 lady then stop.
    Taking contraceptives at your age is no good. With 22 kids and being poor, I think your husband lost appetite on you.
    In short, Losyang na, no more sour taste or wala ng asim.
    Besides, there is no time do it as you are surrounded by your children when sleeping at night.
    Even with kumot or kulambo.

  • kinutil

    HOY MGA PARI MAG IBA NA KAYO NG ISTRATIHIYA BISTADO NA ANG STYLE NYO,
    KINA KALABIT NA KAYO NI SATANAS.
    SA mga mabuting PARI LINISIN nyo ang inyong HANAY para hindi kayo madamay sa galit ng TAONG bayan.

    • txtman

      NEXT STOP

      LEGALIZED ABORTION

      THE RISE OF FREE SEX IN THE PHILIPPINES

      ALL RIGHT!

      AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI

      MABUHAY KA

      AT SANA MAGING SUPER EXPERT ANG MGA DALAGA MO SA
             PAGMIT NILA NG CONDOMS

      AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI

      PITIFUL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZAWDDLHJWFYFZKWAQIWBK5V7LQ ..!..

        sana noon pa nauso abortion, baka sakaling nabawasan mga taong katulad mo mag isip

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melchor-Sonza/100002356861753 Melchor Sonza

         kita nyo na epekto pag maraming anak????ito c txtman ang halimbawa!!tira tira na lng na utak ang napunta sa knya,,kasi nandun na lhat ng matitinong utak sa nauna sa knya,,,tsk!tsk!tsk!

      • Albert Prestosa

        The 2 comments below me are same stupid as the way this man above, even he is right, at ako ay nahahawa na…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XVVCOAZXYTPN2X3IPFCFDSKFM Melvin

    Kasalanan sa Diyos ang mag-anak ng marami tulad ni Rosalie Cabenan na nagsilang ng 22 anak. Dahil binigyan siya ng Diyos ng talino at kaalaman, at alam niya na maliit lang ang kanilang kinikita sa kanilang hanap-buhay, bakit mag-aanak ng marami. Hindi kailanman inibig ng Diyos na maghirap at magutom ang kanyang mga nilalang. Porket binigyan ka ng Diyos ng kakayahang maganak ay inabuso mo naman kahit pa alam mong hindi mo mabibigyan ng maginhawa at desenteng buhay tulad ng sapat na pagkain, pananamit at kakayahang mabigyan ng sapat na edukasyon ang iyong mga anak… Dapat malaman na ang kalibugan ay isang kasalanan ayon sa bibliya…  Mas dapat sundin ang iyong sariling konsyensiya. Alam mo ang tama at mabuti para sa iyo at sa iyong pamilya iyan ang sundin mo at hindi ang payo ng mga pari na ang mga kautusan ay galing din sa tao… Gusto nila mas maraming tao, dahil mas malaki ang kita ng simbahan para sa binyag, kumpil tapos kasal na may regular at espesyal pang mga misa at kung mamatay ang tao ay kita pa rin sila. At kahit na matagal ng patay kung todos los santos ay kumikita pa rin ang mga pari kahit sila ay bubulong-bulong lamang at wiwisik-wisik lang ng tubig…

    • Albert Prestosa

      Hala, graveh aman si kuya makahusga, wagas!!!
      Bakit hinayaan ng Diyos na maghirap siya?
      Hnd ginusto ng Diyos un, hnd nya kasalanan na madami siyang anak…
      What I want to say is, if he trust God, not the government or the law…
      I think he will live her life in fullness.

  • Juan De la Cruz

    Anthony Lanicao = WOLF, MORON AND IDIOT
    IF YOU CANT FULFILL YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS PARENT, YOU DON’T HAVE RIGHT TO BE A PARENT!  

    Simple lang yan, hwag maging tanga at balikuin ang katwiran.

  • simondj

    nalilinlang lang kayo ng diyablo kung iniisip ninyo na aasenso ang pinas ng dahil sa RH LAW.
    wala po na nakasulat sa biblia na kung kakaunti ang anak ay giginhawa ang buhay mo at ng bansa, wala pong nakasulat na ganyan. pansinin ninyo po sino sino ang may panukala niyan,,, malamang hindi bumabasa ng biblia. ang nakasulat po ay ganito,,, righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people. 2) the blessing of the Lord can make a man prosperous.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZAWDDLHJWFYFZKWAQIWBK5V7LQ ..!..

      wala din sinabi sa bible na illegal ang birth control kasi hindi nila na predict yun. besides man-made sin ang bible..political tool pa at nagpabola ka naman

    • Jane Tan

      I’d like to see you adopt 5 abandoned children to test your theory na giginhawa ang buhay mo kung marami kang anak.

      • simondj

        wala po akong theory na ginginhawa ang buhay kung marami ang anak. ang sinasabi ko po ay righteousness at blessing from the Lord.

      • Jane Tan

        To quote from both your replies. Children are a blessing from God. No arguments there. Now, your first post – “the blessing of the Lord can make a man prosperous”.

        And, even after that, you still insist that you did not intend to say “more children = giginhawa ang buhay”, I would suggest that you refrain from using “wala po na nakasulat sa biblia na kung kakaunti ang anak ay giginhawa ang buhay mo at ng bansa” as an argument in this context.

        Children are a blessing. I agree with you. But, in the world we currently live in, children, no matter how much of a joy they are in our lives will incur expenses. Wala nga nakasulat sa Biblia. Ang nakasulat sa Biblia ay gumawa ng mga anak, NA KAYA PALAKIHIN AT SUPORTAHAN.

        Once you find out a way, AN ACTUAL SOLUTION, to get it through the thick skulls of the majority of our countrymen that they need to control their urges, and not have wanton sex without considering the consequences, I will gladly give you my support. Until then, I have to concede that support to THE ONLY solution that was presented that may actually work to stem the tide.

      • simondj

        i want your last pharagraph (they need to control their urges, and not have wanton sex). you are precisely correct. pagpipigil sa sarili sabi nila. God give us this feeling of urge and patience, so we must use them. yes sometimes you cant control yourself, but ask God to help you. How many times did you want to do this and that but you did not, may be you forgot. How many times you promise to do something but you did not. How many times you make plan and abandon it?  Why?…  You try to do it on your own strength. You try to do it in your own understanding and you failed. next time, try ask God to help you. 

      • Albert Prestosa

        u didn’t understand his comment ..

  • txtman

    TOO LATE DAW?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    FREE CONDOMS & PILLS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR DECADES IN
         ALL HEALTH CENTERS
    .
    .
    .
    ITO DAPAT GAWIN NG MGA PRO-RH

    AT THE END OF THIS YEAR 2013

    MAGSURVEY ULIT SILA HA

    DAPAT  ANG RESULTS
    .
    .

    1. DECREASE TEENAGE PREGNANCIES

    2. DECREASE MATERNAL DEATHS

    3. DECREASE ABORTION CASES

    4. DECREASE INCIDENCE OF POVERTY

    .
    .
    .
    PERO IM SURE

    LAHAT YAN

    PURO INCREASE TEENAGE PREGNACIES, ABORTION, MATERNAL DEATHS & POVERTY

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    .
    .
    .
     AND THEN MANINISI NAMAN SILA SA SIMBAHAN?

    .
    .
    INENG, PABALIK NA ANG MGA MAYAYAMNG BANSA

    AT TAYO AY PAPUNTA PA LANG

    AT SABI NILA

    MALI YAN RH BILL NA YAN
    .
    .
     ANO SABI NILANG CURE DAW SA KAHIRAPAN?
    .
    JOBS

    JOBS

    JOBS

    AT BAWAL ANG TAMAD
    .
    .
     ITO DAPAT

    ANG TANUNGIN NG MGA MAMAMAYANG FILIPINO
    .
    .

    NASAAN NA ANG
    .
    .

     “PATIENT RIGHTS BILL”?
    .
    .

    ITONG BILL NA ITO AY PARA SA MGA LAHAT NG
        PASYENTENG PINOY
    .
    .
     TITA KORING, ALAM MO BA KUNG BAKIT HINDI ITO NAIPASA?

    DAHIL PO YAN SA MGA TAGA UP-PGH MAFIA

    .
    .
     OO, MAY MAFIA ANG MGA DOCTORS

    SILA YUNG MGA IIILANG DOCTORS ANG MAY CONTROL
         SA LAHAT NG HEALTH ISSUES SA PINAS

    AT SINO-SINO SILA?

    ITO AY ANG MGA TAGA “UP-PGH MAFIA”

    MAKIKITA MO DIN SILA SA ST. LUKE, ASIAN HOSPITAL, MEDICAL CITY
           MAKATI MED, CARDINAL SANTOS, AT LAHAT NG MGA MALALAKING HOSPITAL

    KAYA TINAWAG SILANG UP-PGH MAFIA KASI

    SILA ANG KARANIWANG MAY SAY SA MEDICINA SA PINAS

    MASKI MALI
    .
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     SI CABRAL AT ONA AY KABILANG SA GROUP NA YAN
    .
    .
     GAWAIN NG MGA IYAN

    SUMISIPSIP SILA SA MGA POLITIKO NA MGA PASYENTE NILA

    AT SYEMPRE SINCE MAY KAYA ANG MGA IYAN DAHIL NGA
         SA SILA AY SADYANG MGA MUKHANG PERA MADAMI DIN  MGA IYAN
         KAMAG-ANAK SA CONGRESSO AT SA MALACANANG.

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     KAYA AYON

    ANG PATIENT RIGHTS BILL

    NILAKAD NILA KAY DE VENECIA

    AT ITONG SI ABAYA NAMAN

    ISANG TINGIN LANG NI DE VENECIA

    PATAY NA ANG

    PATIENT RIGHTS BILL

    YAN ANG TOTOONG NANGYARI DYAN TITA KORING
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     KAYA BE CAREFUL KA SA MGA IYAN

    KASI

    MGA DOCTORS AY MADAMI DYAN AY MGA AHAS
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     MADAMI DYAN ANG MASMABAHO PA SA BASURA ANG MGA BIBIG

    SUPERDAMI DYAN ANG MGA MATAPOBRE
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    OH, KUNG PRO-MAHIRAP MGA IYAN

    MAGKANO PF NILA?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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     ITO PA ISA NILANG GAWAIN DYAN

    MADAMI SA KANILA ANG MAY CONNECTIONS SA MGA
           DRUG COMPANIES

    KAYA AYAN SUPER MAHAL MGA GAMOT

    KASI MGA DRUG COMPANIES SILA NAGBABAYAD SA MGA
           PAGTO-TOURS NG MGA DOCTORS ABROAD TAPOS
           SYEMPRE BABAWIIN YAN NILA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP
           O KAYA LIBRE SILA PARATI SA FRIDAYS OR SAANG MGA HOTELS
           DAPAT IPAGBAWAL NA YAN
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    IIVESTIGATE THE PHILHEATH ALSO

    THE MILKING COW OF DOCTORS & HOSPITALS
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     KAPAL MUKS NILA MGA MUKHANG PERA

    DAMI DIN DYAN MGA BABOY ANG ASAL

    PWE

    PITIFUL

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

      tl;dr – In summary, no one read what you posted. The RH Law is there at wala ka nang magagawa. Mabulok ka sa simbahan kasama ang mga malalaswa mong obispo.

      Meanwhile, kami, we can plan our lives the way we want it to be. :)
      Tsaka wag mo akong ma-pitiful pitiful dyan, kasi ikaw ang mas kawawa. You’re stuck in a Middle Ages-old mentality with no one to save you from your ignorance. Hay, kawawa ka naman….

      • txtman

        ANO BA SINABI KO?

        ANDYAN NA RH BILL

        SO DAPAT LILIIT NA ANG TEENAGE PREGNACIES, ABORTIONS,

         KAHIRAPAN ETC WHICH I DOUBT
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        WALANG MAGBABASA?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        WHO CARES

        BASTA

        SASABIHIN KO LAHAT NG KABULUKAN NG MGA DOCTORS SA PINAS

        TOTOO NAMAN, YANG UP-PGH MAFIA

        IS ANTI-PATIENTS

        PURO BULSA LANG NILA INIISIP NILA

        NASAAN NA ANG PATIENT RIGHTS BILL?

        NAWALA YAN

        DAHIL SA KKK NG MGA UP-PGH MAFIA

        GAWAIN BA YAN NG ISANG PRO-PATIENT?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        PITIFUL

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melchor-Sonza/100002356861753 Melchor Sonza

         ganun ba,wala na palang kabuluhan buhay mo kung ganun???kesa madurog utak mo unahan mo na!!!!!,,,laslas na para mabawasan na dam ng tao,,  ayw mo ng contraceptives e!!!,,mas madali para sa yo yan,,iskandaloso ang dating ng comment mo,,,

    • mulanay

      Hello txtman, mawalang galang lang po. Iwasan natin ang paggamit ng puro malalaking letra kapag magpost dahil ‘yan ay para kang sumisigaw kapag nagsasalita. Kahit sa pag-text ng mensahe, ipinagbabawal ang ganyan. Tanungin mo ang mga kaibigan mo upang malaman mong tama ang sinasabi ko. Maraming salamat.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melchor-Sonza/100002356861753 Melchor Sonza

         sa laki ng mga letra at sa dami ng sinabi sayang lang ang space,,wala ng maintindihan,,,ewan ko kung sinu pa my ganang magbasa,,nasobrahan yata sa pangaral ni padre damaso c txtman,,,

    • Albert Prestosa

      halatang madami siyang alam! two thumbs up!!! tama tama tama!!!! 

  • UrHONOR

    WALANG dapat sisihin kundi ang mga TNL na mga nakasayang puti!

  • Ommm

    The RH bill won’t help this and other women that are devout catholics ( that live in a shoe with so many children they don’t know what to do)…. they will simply ask the priests advice and will hear using contraception is some “sin”. Or they are going to hear it anyway at Mass on Sunday…

    We need to sex educate the catholic church.

    Freedom of religion is one thing, but who says religion should be free? Start taxing their properties and if the churches birth rate continues to climb, increase it to astronomical levels. We will see them change their tune in a big hurry when their religion “business” starts to see red….

     

    • NAGMAMARUNONG

      tax these people pretending to be GOD’s fishers of men. religion = business

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QVR2HMWEPWZA4TV2Z2Q7BYF36A January

    manyakis kasi si madam,makakita lang ng binti ng asawa nya hala tumirik na ang mga mata.hindi RH ang kailangan nyan kundi gamot sa kalibugan. mabuti may asawa syang gagamitin pag umandar ang kalibugan nya .Si Ninoy paano sya gagamit ng RH na ….? pa sya.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZAWDDLHJWFYFZKWAQIWBK5V7LQ ..!..

      have you ever considered that maybe sya yung ginamit ng asawa niya? 

      • marionics

        i agree. but my own personal experience e (ahem) yung babae ang malakas mangalabit he he

  • marionics

    ala pa kayong tro????

  • Garo Ungaro

    True..Children is never a liability…but the liability of the government/church/society…

    • xrisp

      Hindi po siguro ng simbahan sapagkat bahat buhay ay biyaya ng Diyos, diyan po yan tinitingnan ng simbahan at lahat po ng buhay ay may dignidad na binigay ng Diyos kaya yan po ay napakahalaga at hindi isang liability.

    • Albert Prestosa

      responsibility not a liability..

  • andrew lim

    ” Asked to comment on the plight of Cabenan, one of the groups (Serve Life) that filed a petition with Supreme Court said her 22 children should be a cause for celebration and not regret. ”

    Then Cabenan should send the bill to Serve Life or the CBCP. 

  • xrisp

    Hindi po siguro ng simbahan sapagkat bahat buhay ay biyaya ng Diyos, diyan po yan tinitingnan ng simbahan at lahat po ng buhay ay may dignidad na binigay ng Diyos kaya yan po ay napakahalaga at hindi isang liability.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6QW4Q3WBQ65CU63FJRP6RH3F3A dan dan

    “children are considered gifts”.Yes  Gifts  for you because you consider them as Investement-
    feeding them whatever you can ONLY afford then expect them to help you even against their will until you die.This Filipino Culture should get changed.

    • redredfox

      children are gifts because they complete the family. without children, there’s no family. just couples. and their dogs or cats

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6QW4Q3WBQ65CU63FJRP6RH3F3A dan dan

    Paano mo mabibigyan ng DIGNIDAD ang Buhay kung hindi mo mapakain at maaruga ng Husto?Saan ang DIGNIDAD duon?Tsk tsk.

  • redredfox

    a society that considers having children a liability instead of a blessing is a SICK SOCIETY. 

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      no…it is a dead society..

      and that they would prefer caring for dogs, rabbits birds than man

    • willydee68

      A person not considering liability for the own child is not worth the blessing.

    • HoyGago

      A church that does not recognize the plight of its flock is an irrelevant church.

      • Albert Prestosa

        the so-called “flocks” sometimes misunderstood

    • Albert Prestosa

      A blessing wraps with a responsibility

  • ever green

    ngayon lang nya natuklasan ang cause ng pagbubuntis……..

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    meron na RH bill…

    dApat at the end of the year wala ng poverty…

    wala ng un empoyment…

    wala ng teenage  preganancy or at least bumaba…tingnan natin kung totoo sinasabi ng mga tangang PRO RH…at kung hindi….NAUTO NA NAMAN SILA NI PENOY!!!

    • redredfox

      hindi.  si Penoy ang nauto ng KANO at ng demonyo

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        autistic kasi

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      You’re dreaming! RH law is one of the long-term solutions to mitigate poverty, not a short-term solution. You might not even feel its effect in your lifetime. It’s the succeeding generations that will harvest the benefits of this law.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        ganun ba???na sa japan dito ngaun, marami ng mga olds kaysa sa young…kaya nagkakandarapa na ang gobyerno ng japan na mag si asawa na ang mga hapon at mag anak ng mag anak…

      • joshmale2004

        So, did Japan enacted their RH Law only last year?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        kahapon pa lang…and it becomes a demographic winter…better watch that dokyu…

    • Albert Prestosa

      nauto silang lahat! Long-term solution, haha hnd ren!!! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/fernando.lorenzanthony Lorenz Anthony Fernando

    “They tell you to go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by”

    Obviously the writer of this story has a hidden agenda of discrediting the church. Any sane mind would ask Cabenan, why blame the church for your 22 children? Aren’t those your actions?

    The Church never said just multiply without taking into consideration a lot of factors, its in the catechism. And does NFP rings a bell to Cabenan?

    Anyway, Cabenan has still long way to go to learn her catechism; the Church also has lots of work ahead in forming those consciences.

    • andrew lim

      You are right in saying Cabenan should not blame the church, it is their actions which led them to this.

      That’s why the state needs to intervene, but the church blocks the policy due to its doctrines.

      As for the NFP, while the church approves of it, it never really pushes for it as a priority agenda. The church never really goes all out in promoting family planning, even NFP.

      Instead, it goes in the other direction, which is why it is blamed (partially unfair) for these situations. The church really has tons of work to do in getting its message across, and to do it in an effective manner.

      • Albert Prestosa

        The church just cares for morality but I guess the CC lose its influence, too bad :) I am Catholic when I was born (probably not now)…. binigyan kasi tayo ng utak para magdesisyon kaya hnd katwiran na isisi mo sa iba ang pagkakamali mo

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Who told you? Who told you that the Church never went out to promote NFP? You should know that only the Catholic Church has defended God’s design of the feminine reproductive system. The Church has been counselling couples engaged to be married to use NFP. Where did you get the idea that the Church has been remiss about family planning? NFP was discovered by scientists in the biological field, not priests, not bishops. This is how and why the Catholic Church recommends the NFP which it conforms to God’s plan for a man and woman who have been put together as one flesh (meaning married) to enjoy unhampered sex during the infertile periods of the woman. Why use chemicals and rubber when all the couple has to do is plan well to space births? Contraception is for those who cannot wait and want to have sex anytime with anyone.
        Another thing, andrew lim, the State really has no business in the private matter of married couples to decide how many children they wish to have. The Church provides the spiritual direction based on Christ’s teachings on fidelity and respect for the spouse but the Church will never intervene to dictate that couples should only have this number of children. Remember that our relationship with God is one-on-one. Each of us is accountable and responsible for our action. Why should the State intervene? Overpopulation is not even the issue here. Overpopulation is a myth. Overpopulation does not cause poverty. Lack of access to economic opportunities causes poverty. What you see is overcrowding in small land areas appropriated to the homeless but not overpopulation in the entire country. Studies have shown that the entire Seven Billion people in the world today can fit in the State of Texas – just as a hyperbole or exaggeration to stress the obvious. There is still so much space in Planet Earth. Leave the business of human life creation and population to God.

      • Jane Tan

        Even if there is NFP, in what instance does the Church recommend this? Do you hear this when you go to mass? I don’t. Do you hear this when you’re out on a date? Do you hear this when you get married?

        No. You only hear it when the issue of contraceptives comes up. It not a regular practice. Its only something to counter what the Church opposes.

    • Albert Prestosa

      In reality, there is so many Catholics but they don’t care about cathecism.

  • redredfox

    So that the application of the RH Law will be equal among
    all those who were born and those who are yet to be born, those who supported the RH law
    should have been contracepted by their parents

  • marionics

     
      At the Catholic hospital’s delivery room, Sister Mary Turpitude
    walks into the waiting room and sees three nervous men pacing. She
    says to the first, “Mike! Congratulations! Will this be your third
    baby?”
      Mike says yes, and Sister responds, “Oh, what a fine Catholic
    tradition, having many children.”
      Sister says to the second man, “Pat! Will this be your fifth child?”
      Pat answers, “This will be the sixth, Sister.”
      “Oh, what a blessed Catholic tradition you’re following.”
      Sister turns to the third man. “I’m sorry I don’t recognize you,”
    she said. “Is this your first child?”
      The man replies, “This will be our eighth, actually.”
      Sister says, “My! What an outstanding Catholic tradition!”
      The man replies, “Well, actually, I’m an Anglican.
      Sister replies, “You filthy protestants never could keep your
    pants zipped!”
     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Mariones naman, kulang ka talaga sa pansin…panay ang kolekta mo ng jokes.
      Your filthy jokes will get you nowhere but down, down, down below the heap of inferno.
      Is it any wonder that you were born? Is it any wonder that before you were formed into the womb of your mother, God has chosen you? But, no. You are busy making anti-Catholic jokes to bide your time. Doing nothing worthwhile is Satan’s favorite pastime. For your own good, do something worthwhile – stop judging other religions. ["If you are a Muslim, be a good Muslim. If you are a Christian, be a good Christian" - Mother Teresa of Calcutta]

      • marionics

        hahaha puki mo

      • reddfrog

         Well, making “filthy jokes” ranks nowhere near pedophilia, rape, harboring criminals, corruption and hypocrisy. And at least I think it’s funny.

      • marionics

        i got more jokes. abangan he he

  • Godfrey Buillon

    What a stupid article. It makes one believe that a persons self-control and common sense in practicing responsible parenthood is only dependent on contraceptives and a law that gives it out for free. It tells the poor that they are mindless brats who have to regulated because they cannot do so themselves. What a low view of people this paper has!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      I guess you’ve got it all wrong. Try to live for a month in a slum area then perhaps you can get a glimpse of what’s reality out there.

    • Albert Prestosa

      I am agree!

    • HoyGago

      No, it takes a sampling of what can happen in a situation without proper sexuality education and reproductive health care. Ngayong may RH bill na, may mandato na ang gobyerno na turuan at tulungan ang mga kababaihan sa pagpaplano ng pamilya.

    • reddfrog

       “What a low view of people this paper has!”

      ===> Unfortunately, that is reality. If people are not so stupid you think we’ll be in the situation we’re in right now? Human idiocy is a bottomless pit.

    • Jane Tan

      No work + hot and humid climate + drinking. Its not hard to find areas in the Philippines where all 3 of these conditions apply. You should try living there for a month and see if you don’t succumb to the urge.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZK46E2QQCXXLFG7TS2XJTDJFFI david a

      you mean the poor should control or regulate their sexual urge towards their partner/wife/husband?

  • speak_only_the_truth

    woah, 22 kids? parang palahian a. lmao doesn’t his husband has anything better to do? does he has a job at all? he should be shot for economic sabotage.  didn’t anyone told them that go forth and multiply only applies during the time of adam and eve? ffs

    • reddfrog

       “didn’t anyone told them that go forth and multiply only applies during the time of adam and eve?”

      ===> Katoliko yan eh.

  • jojo webmail

    maybe she is married to a genetic jackhammer

  • http://twitter.com/avblumicao Anthony Lumicao

    The way you framed my answers are clearly misleading! I’ve never said that parents with many children should check “their sexual urges” in fact I told you that parents must be more responsible to plan their families in such a way that they can sustain the needs of their children – through a better education of parents! AND THAT IT IS GOVERNMENT’S ROLE TO ENSURE THEY CAN GET THESE NEEDS!
    My emphasis was OPPORTUNITIES for these big families, for these parents. There’s so much potential for government to focus on things that can bring these families to better productivity. Hindi ko lang alam bakit RH ang inyong inatupag. Invest on farming jobs, on education for these kids! I mean – if you ask these big families what they need the most, is it condoms? Is it contraceptives? NEVER. They will never ask for them kasi “hindi yan mga hayop na pinapalamon ng condoms!” Mga tao yan! Na nag-iisip at hindi dapat ituring hayop na hindi makapag-control ng sarili! Ang kailangan nila ay PAGKAIN, EDUKASYON, TRABAHO. Clearly, you got everything wrong if you treated these kids as mere liabilities. For these parents of big families, I’m sure you don’t need these artificial devices at the moment. I’m sure you need basic needs and this IRRESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT should first and foremost take care of these needs beginning with the consideration of the citizens’ right to life! If not, you are inconsiderate Right to Life” when your outlook towards people are creatures who are mere instruments of use to the state! 

    Clearly I now see how media framing is very dangerous! Your integrity for news is losing ground. Disappointed.

    • andrew lim

      But you are being irresponsible in expecting govt should provide everything for these people. Are we a welfare state?

      Children by choice, not by chance!

    • reddfrog

       “Ang kailangan nila ay PAGKAIN, EDUKASYON, TRABAHO.”

      ===> Let me see how you are going to feed 11 children, much less 22 even if you have a job. Ang problema sa inyo – you do not live in reality. Puro mga pantasya ang pagiisip ninyo.

    • Jane Tan

      Like andrew lim said, we are not a welfare state. We can’t afford to be a welfare state. Your suggestion to keep on providing and providing, and further providing for an increasing number of unproductive people (likely) is not feasible. Supply shouldn’t be at the mercy of Demand. There should be a balance, give and take on both ends.

      To dumb it down, put yourself in the position of the government. If a needy family came to you for food (let’s say mom, dad and 2 kids), would you give them food? Let’s say you would. Next week they ask you for the same amount. Again, let’s say you’d give them what they’d ask for. And this will go on for weeks. Then, one week the mother comes to you, asking food for herself, her husband and 3 kids. Then, it becomes 4 kids. 5 kids. 6 kids. Are you going to keep on giving to that family?

      That is basically the micro version of what you are suggesting. When does it stop? You can try to tell them to control their urges. But, let’s face it. When you have nothing to do, nothing to occupy your time, the climate is hot, your husband just went drinking with his buddies, ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN.

    • HoyGago

      So why are you against RH? Isn’t RH about giving people access not only to artificial contraceptives, but also to natural family planning methods, and more importantly, to sexuality education that helps in informing their choice?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Going by your logic, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind if your wife decided she wanted 22 children, as it would then be your responsibility to take care of all of those.

      You seem to think that the government should be able to provide opportunities for citizens, not matter how many there are.  I;m sure you would not object to that same logic being applied to yourself.

  • tra6Gpeche

    It kept on coming and coming because you and your husband
    kept on going and going. Too bad for your children! But I respect you for being
    hardworking. Please ask the anti RH petitioners and the wealthy Catholic Church
    to, at least, help your children to all finish college. This will be their
    ticket to progressive, comfortable and successful future.

    • reddfrog

       She did ask for help, unfortunately: ““They tell you to go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by.”

      • tra6Gpeche

        If she did, then the anti RH petitioners and  the Philippine Catholic Church wasted the
        opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. Pathetic believers and apostles
        of God!

  • Albert Prestosa

    Nag-asawa ng maaga, bagamat 3 ang gusto, nagkaroon ng 22… eh nung ginawa nyo un, hnd nyo kagustuhan? my goodness… tapos sa huli sisihin ang simbahan… oo magpakarami, pero sana naisip nya, na hnd nya kakayanin ang madami. tapos inaasahan mo ang batas ang sasalba sa kahirapan at pagdami ng populasyon, tingin niyo mababawasan ang teenage pregnancy, hinde!!! mas lalo silang magkakaroon ng dahilan sa pre-marital sex results to premarital pregnancy… self-control ang kailangan. ganyan ang Pinoy, madaling manisi, d muna nya tingnan ang sarili :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    The only argument the RH (contraception) law supporters can put up is to banner a rare story of a woman with many children. How many of these women can we count to exist today? Is there an honest statistical data on mothers with more than, let us say, ten children? And, if you find one thousand mothers with more than 10 children, does it justify to have a law that will buy 13 billion worth of condoms, pills, contraptions, safe sex teaching materials, etc annually?

    The legislators who proposed the RH bill did not say about overpopulation is the reason for it. In fact, after their argument about overpopulation causes poverty was shot down with results of UN studies that it isn’t true, Edcel Lagman and his gang mates changed course last year and shifted to the argument that 11 mothers die each day during delivery of their babies. Unfortunately, no legislator shot down that frayed logic. Someone should have told the pro-RH that stopping births will never solve maternal deaths. The correct prescription is to improve health services in public hospitals from prenatal to delivery to postnatal. Maternal and infantile deaths occur due to lack of adequate health counselling services in public hospitals and barangay clinics and lack of adequate medical personnel to examine expecting mothers from all stages of pregnancy. Those 11 mothers per day die for lack of medical attention. Contraception will stop births – so, how does that stop pregnant mothers from dying? NO babies, NO deaths? What do we do to the pregnant mothers? Abort the babies?

    It is unfortunate that Rosalie Cabenan, 48-year old mother of 22 pregnancies, had been misinformed about her frequent pregnancies. She blames the Catholic Church for leading her to believe that she can get pregnant as frequent as she and her husband wants. It is extremely ridiculous to believe her that whenever she got pregnant, that was what the Church taught her. If she was honest to herself and to God, she would have known that the Church recommends Natural Family Planning methods. She must have heard about it but have not been obedient to follow how she can make love to her husband without fear of pregnancy during her infertile periods. Instead, she was reckless to have sex even during her fertile periods. There is an obvious propaganda to malign the Catholics again. 

    This is not a religion issue alone. Whether mothers are Catholics or non-Catholics or atheists, all of them should be educated about responsible parenthood. Responsible Parenthood, by the way, does not exist in the RH law. There is no provision about SPACING BIRTHS. The RH law does not specify only for MARRIED SPOUSES. Instead, the RH law purportedly protects every female’s right to enjoy sex and have as many as she wants without fear of pregnancy as promised that condoms and pills will ensure no pregnancies. The RH law is securing the “happiness of women” with the definition coined by Sen. Pia Cayetano as “SAFE AND SATISFYING SEX LIFE”. Now, where does responsible parenthood come into the picture when even unmarried women and married women who can have extramarital affairs are “protected” by this RH law? Why will the RH law teach the youth about safe sex when they will be encouraged to have premarital sex? How irresponsible our lawmakers can be! Why should Filipinos celebrate the RH law when it is irresponsibly allowing sexual liaisons outside marriage? 

    • Albert Prestosa

      Pde ko ba mahiram ang comment na ito? share ko lang.. salamat, ang galing

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Opo. salamat din po.

    • joshmale2004

      “Someone should have told the pro-RH that stopping births will never solve maternal deaths. The correct prescription is to improve health services in public hospitals from prenatal to delivery to postnatal. Maternal and infantile deaths occur due to lack of adequate health counselling services in public hospitals and barangay clinics and lack of adequate medical personnel to examine expecting mothers from all stages of pregnancy.” 

      Sir, your concern above have been repeatedly addressed in the RH Bill under: Sections -3c,2b, 4 c& d, 5, 6 and 17.

    • Jane Tan

      Just to note, the Church recommends Natural Family Planning methods over contraceptives. They do not recommend it if you don’t plan to use contraception. When exactly does the Church mention Natural Family Planning methods? Rather, in what instance? Just wondering.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Calendar method yata un… unti nga pala lang ang may alam nun, kaya madami nabubuntis.

      • Jane Tan

        I’m totally for Natural Family Methods. My issue is that it is not general knowledge.

        When does the Church recommend this? Do we hear it in mass? I don’t. Do we hear it when we go on dates? Do we hear it when we get married?

        No. The problem is that it is merely recommended when the issue of contraceptives arises. It is merely a counter to what the Church opposes.

        And, another issue is that, even if it was spread around, would it be applicable in our society? Would it actually work? NFP methods have been around for quite some time and I don’t really see it working, what with the constant influence of alcohol after a hard day’s work.

      • Albert Prestosa

        hmmmm, paano ko ba sisimulan…
        Yup!!! Hindi nila masyado natuturo un, masyado scientific ang NFP…
        If the church (Catholic as u said so) EFFECTIVELY teach the family to be God-centered. Having RH bill is not an issue anymore.

      • Jane Tan

        If it is effective, we wouldn’t need the RH Bill. And, with our current situation, I have to concede that it is not effective.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Hnd naman kasi lahat ng babae pare=pareho ang regular cycle ng menstruation…isa un sa mga factors.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE yahoo-CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE

        that’s why the the natural family method is not completely accurate and effective.  some women don’t have regular menstrual cycle?  How then will they calculate on which date they are free to to have sex?

      • Jane Tan

        like some birth control pills, it isn’t a sure thing… so, what’s the difference?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE yahoo-CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE

        that’s why you need to consult your ob to know which pill is effective for you.  if you’ve used the correct pill, then it’s an effective way to prevent pregnancy

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Honestly, their stance on it makes zero sense.

        NFP and condoms do the same thing: enable people to shag without causing pregnancy.  The only real difference between the two, and the whole reason that the Church opposes one and promotes te other, is that NFP is ‘natural’.

        Really, what does that MEAN?  Should I start walking everywhere?  Cars cannot be natural.  Should I be making bonfires every time I read a book at night?  Electric lighting cannot be natural.  Should I walk over to your house and say this to you in person?  The internet isn’t natural.

        It’s a stance that is equal parts hypocrisy and lunacy, if we’re being honest.

      • Jane Tan

        I guess their version lets you shag less than a condom would allow lol…  regardless, even NFP isn’t a sure thing, which really makes it no different from SOME birth control pills.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        And really, less reliable than a condom, which doesn’t even have all of those side effects they complain about.

        It’s an insane stance.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Those engaged to be married go to a priest for a one-on-one interview and then another one for both of them to be interviewed by the priest. This is called a Pre-Cana seminar. Cana is the place where Jesus made his first public miracle on the occasion of a marriage feast.

        The couple is given a briefing about family planning by the priest as one of the aspects of the interview/seminar. Some parishes conduct joint couples’ interview to save time. NFP is the only family planning approach recommended by the Catholic Church. Likewise, the city or town health office gives a brief lecture on NFP together with the artificial methods of condoms and pills before an engaged couple can obtain a marriage license. Thus, two times, a Catholic couple gets to hear about NFP – from a priest and the city/town health officer.

        If you did not receive such lecture before you got married, well, it is probable the priest and the health officer found you mature enough to know about family planning. It is also advisable for engaged couples to discuss family planning with their parents and parents-in law. That way, there is no misunderstanding when a married couple has decided to postpone pregnancy for a year or what and the parents & in laws are not shocked to discover that that was their decision after marriage.

      • Jane Tan

        Noted. But, if you had to Google that, then that itself is proof that this is not mainstream knowledge.

        I can cite many actual examples of people I know who got married, and did not receive what I would consider “sound family planning methods”. I.e. None whatsoever.

        And some of these couples have deadbeat boyfriends, demonstrated by their unemployment status.

        Nonetheless, an unemployed status does not get rid of “the urge”.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Devioted Catholic pala si Mang Teban ….. kaya pala!

      • reddfrog

         Sakit mo naman mang-insulto. Akala ko ba kristyano ka.

    • reddfrog

      “How many of these women can we count to exist today?”

      ===> Even 1 is too much if the parents cannot feed him.
       
      “And, if you find one thousand mothers with more than 10 children, does
      it justify to have a law that will buy 13 billion worth of condoms,
      pills, contraptions, safe sex teaching materials, etc annually?”

      ===> Yes.

      “The legislators who proposed the RH bill did not say about overpopulation is the reason for it.”

      ===> The Earth is overpopulated.

      “Someone should have told the pro-RH that stopping births will never solve maternal deaths.”

      ===> It will minimize. If this can save even just 1 life, is it not worth it?

      ” Contraception will stop births – so, how does that stop pregnant mothers from dying?”

      ===> Contraception = no pregnancy = less deaths. Duh!

      “It is extremely ridiculous to believe her that whenever she got pregnant, that was what the Church taught her.”

      ===> Go forth and multiply – isn’t that the Church’s teaching, aside from rape and pedophilia?

      “she would have known that the Church recommends Natural Family Planning methods.”

      ===> Yes, a bunch of bachelors teaching married couples about sex. Smart.

      “she was reckless to have sex even during her fertile periods.”

      ===> That is why sex education is needed. Unfortunately not everyone is as smart and virtuous as you.

      “There is an obvious propaganda to malign the Catholics again. ”

      ===> The clergy is doing a good job at that.

      “There is no provision about SPACING BIRTHS.”

      ===> Lies, lies and more lies.

      “The RH law does not specify only for MARRIED SPOUSES”

      ===> You think singles do not have sex? What planet do you live on? And before you spout about morality, not everyone lives by your moral code, so stop ramming it down everyone’s throat.

      “the RH law purportedly protects every female’s right to enjoy sex and
      have as many as she wants without fear of pregnancy as promised that
      condoms and pills will ensure no pregnancies.”

      ===> That’s good, no?

      “Now, where does responsible parenthood come into the picture when even
      unmarried women and married women who can have extramarital affairs are
      “protected” by this RH law?”

      ===> So when did consensual sex between consenting adults became illegal? The point is – you want to have sex, fine, but protect yourself against diseases and prevent unwanted pregnancies.

      “Why will the RH law teach the youth about safe sex when they will be encouraged to have premarital sex?”

      ===> Encourage? How? So you’re saying the youth will now have street orgies because we have this law? On the flip side, if we do not have this law, the youth will not have sex because they will be too afraid of diseases and pregnancies? Really Taleban, what planet did you come from?

       “Why should Filipinos celebrate the RH law when it is irresponsibly allowing sexual liaisons outside marriage? ”

      ===> Wala talaga akong masabi. You’re so out of touch with reality. Siguro pari ka ano?

      • Albert Prestosa

        at ikaw reddfrog, sure ako atheist ka :)

      • reddfrog

        Er, no. I have a close relationship with God. But I do not belong to any religion because religion are run by fallible human beings who manipulate it for their own agendas. Anyway, religion will not save your soul. Think about it.

      • Albert Prestosa

        i see, as you said, I dont want to judge you. For me, God is more than a religion, but my dear friend, you can’t walk in your faith to God alone, that is why there is church… not a religion. Religious people are different from godly one. By the way, Im not Catholic…you said you have a “close-relationship”… oh well!

      • reddfrog

        “you can’t walk in your faith to God alone”

        ===> Sure you can. I have no need for so-called “gate-keepers”. You have seen how religion (or Church) twists people’s minds (see Mang Taleban). Anyway – we walk our own paths, no?

      • Albert Prestosa

        I don’t talk about gatekeepers. God said…
        “It is not good for a man to be alone.”
        So God is not happy if you alone are worshiping him, he wants you to show your love to others, to your fellow “believers”, if you call yourselves one of them. Hnd ko alam kung may masama kang experience sa “kanila” and religion is different from church (do not misinterpret them), you can’t search on wikipedia if u want…(Ephesians 2:19) 

        You always talk about Catholic church… but that is not what I talk about.

      • reddfrog

         Ano ka, recruiter? Scientology? haha! joke lang pre.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Christian bro… Scientologist??? hahaha!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        I will leave you on your walk to God.
        I have no intention to twist people’s minds. As I keep repeating, you decide what you think. I suppose it is their conscience that is bothered. Otherwise, you won’t even mention it.

      • Albert Prestosa

        pero d ba mas masaya na may kasama kang lumakad… sa aking palagay, nagkaroon ka lang ng d magandang experience sa mga cncb mong “taong-simabahan” kaya ka ganyan… hnd kita masisi, madami din ako kilala gaya mo. Isa ako sa kanila noon, pero hnd na ngaun.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        reddfrog 
        I don’t give a hoot what you think, smart boy.
        You are the one out of touch of reality.
        Ang dami mong pretenses – one mother with 22 children can justify the RH law? Sheesh.
        you believe the planet is overpopulated? You keep reading fantasy books, boy.
        You surely cannot see the logic – no births, no maternal deaths? Grabe
        Sure, premarital sex and extramarital sex are still going on..so, do you want to institutionalize these? Sobra.
        You gone overboard by insinuating the Church teaches rape and pedophilia…Foul, boy, foul.
        Sex education has been in the Philippines since the seventies, boy. The right one that teaches about normal people who reaches puberty, females taught about hygiene and menstruation, proper time to get married, responsible parenthood, avoiding l u s t, handling peer pressure…NOT safe sex and it’s okay to bring condoms on your dates, Very wrong…RH law teaches immorality…no way.
        Since, it is very obvious that you love contraception, safe sex and experimental sex, you do not belong to my world. Live somewhere else. Join the f r e a k i n g crowd of contraception-minded bunch for all I care.
        btw, I ain’t a priest.
        and I say only what I mean; mean what i say…i don’t pretend to tolerate immorality. do you? Will you allow your wife to make it out with your kumpare?
        Will you give your son or daughter a box of condoms or pills on their first dates?
        magpakatotoo, smart boy.

      • reddfrog

        “I don’t give a hoot what you think”

        ===> hehehehehe – tinamaan ka ano. Truth hurts. And for someone who “don’t give a hoot” – you sure can write a very long response. Parang jilted lover ka. hahahahaha!

        “smart boy.”

        ===> Thank you. Go ahead, flattery will get you everywhere.

        “one mother with 22 children can justify the RH law?”

        ===> Change your story now, go ahead why don’t you?

        “You keep reading fantasy books, boy.”

        ===> If you spent more time reading academic / scientific journals and papers, rather than bible-thumping, then maybe you’d be better off. btw – the Bible is considered a “fantasy book” by many.

        And aside from your “grabe” and “sobra” – you have no counter-arguments.

        “You gone overboard by insinuating the Church teaches rape and pedophilia”

        ===> I thought I’ve gone overboard a long time ago. Anyway as they say — lead by example. Action speaks louder than words. And I agree with you, rape and pedophilia are foul.

        “NOT safe sex and it’s okay to bring condoms on your dates”

        ===> So you prefer “unsafe sex”? You haven’t heard of teenage pregnancy? Of course you haven’t, from where you’re from there are no teenagers, only old men and their little children!

        “RH law teaches immorality”

        ===> Immorality like…. rape and pedophilia?

        “you do not belong to my world. Live somewhere else.”

        ===> Whew that’s a relief. Nice to know I don’t belong to your world! Yehey!

        “i don’t pretend to tolerate immorality. do you?”

        ===> I don’t pretend to think that I’m the all knowing paragon of virtue where it’s my moral way or the highway, do you?

        “Will you allow your wife to make it out with your kumpare?”

        ===> …and what does this have to do with RH bill? Like “May condom na ako let’s have an affair!”. wahahahahahaha!

        “Will you give your son or daughter a box of condoms or pills on their first dates?”

        ===> A box? How many times will they do it?

        You’re entertaining.

      • Albert Prestosa

        si Mang Teban, logical… masyado kang pranka!!!
        Parehas tayong anti-RH bill pero hinay hinay lang.. :)

      • reddfrog

         Logic + Catholic dogmas == Ka-boom!

      • Albert Prestosa

        Mang Teban, papayuhan kita, tigilan mo na ang pakikipagtalo sa kanila, hnd nila kailangan ang mga tao na magpapamukha na mas marunong gaya mo para lang masabi na mali ang gaya niya.

        Ok! Ang dali nating husgahan ang mga pari, dahil lang ba sa nagsi-share sila ng Word, pero tao din cla gaya mo, tao din aman kayong dalawa… 

        bilang si reddfrog ay maka-Diyos (sabi nya) at ganun din aman yata si Mang Teban, wag na kayo magtalo :)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Oh, just one more.

        You’re deluded, and it is time to accept it.

        Pro-RH claims are backed by hard science and economic data.  The anti-RH stand is backed by ONE interpretation of a book written by fishermen 2000 years ago.  I actually think you lot are even basing your arguments on the even older sections, and the most repeated bit from the Bible quoted against condoms is from some passage about an ancient law where a man has to marry his brother’s wife if the brother dies.

        I respect faith as a motive, but the moment you start claiming that it is a valid reason to oppose or support a bill and that empirical evidence and FACTS are not, you become deluded.

        Put that together with the FACTS that you’re old, and we come to the conclusion that you’re a deluded old man.

        Oh, and yes, if they do want them I’ll give my kids condoms.  You might be in favor of teen pregnancy, but I’m not.

      • Jianne Garcia

        “you believe the planet is overpopulated? You keep reading fantasy books, boy.
        Mang Teban, I suggest that you be updated with your statistics. If America is bigger than China yet China is the most populated country in the world, what does that tell you of the worlds overall population? We’re living in one of the smallest countries in the world yet we’re the 12th most populous. 

        7 billion people on Earth is a lot. I don’t know when that info will sink in to your brain.

      • marionics

        hahaha aatakehin sa puso yung zealot sa iyo pre bwahahaha

      • reddfrog

         May puso ba ang mga yan?

      • Albert Prestosa

        “How many of these women can we count to exist today?”
        ===> Even 1 is too much if the parents cannot feed him.
        ===> We should help that woman to raise up her childrens, not to give her condoms.
         
        “And, if you find one thousand mothers with more than 10 children, does 
        it justify to have a law that will buy 13 billion worth of condoms, 
        pills, contraptions, safe sex teaching materials, etc annually?”

        ===> Yes.
        ===> a waste of money, they should teach them how to live, give them jobs.

        “The legislators who proposed the RH bill did not say about overpopulation is the reason for it.”

        ===> The Earth is overpopulated.
        ===> The Earth is enough for our population, isn’t it?

        “Someone should have told the pro-RH that stopping births will never solve maternal deaths.”

        ===> It will minimize. If this can save even just 1 life, is it not worth it?
        ===> It will also minimize the birth of one. If this can lost 1 life, is it worth it?

        ” Contraception will stop births – so, how does that stop pregnant mothers from dying?”

        ===> Contraception = no pregnancy = less deaths. Duh!
        ===> But you will die because of AIDS and pills. Duh!

        “It is extremely ridiculous to believe her that whenever she got pregnant, that was what the Church taught her.”

        ===> Go forth and multiply – isn’t that the Church’s teaching, aside from rape and pedophilia?
        ===> Multiply doesn’t always talk about physically, but it is common for normal minds.

        “she would have known that the Church recommends Natural Family Planning methods.”

        ===> Yes, a bunch of bachelors teaching married couples about sex. Smart.
        ===> Eh di ba ganun din aman sa RH? Sex-Education. Smart.

        “she was reckless to have sex even during her fertile periods.”

        ===> That is why sex education is needed. Unfortunately not everyone is as smart and virtuous as you.
        ===> Responsible parenthood ang kailangan… sama mo na rin ung responsible sex ed.

        “There is an obvious propaganda to malign the Catholics again. ”

        ===> The clergy is doing a good job at that.
        ===> I can’t blame you, but you are both people, is there any difference?

        “There is no provision about SPACING BIRTHS.”

        ===> Lies, lies and more lies.
        ===> Prove that he is lying. :)

        “The RH law does not specify only for MARRIED SPOUSES”

        ===> You think singles do not have sex? What planet do you live on? And before you spout about morality, not everyone lives by your moral code, so stop ramming it down everyone’s throat.
        ===> Sex is for married couple, but we can’t question God if He allows a child to be born in wrong ways, we are all not an accident, God has a purpose and plans for us (Jeremiah 29:11)

        “the RH law purportedly protects every female’s right to enjoy sex and 
        have as many as she wants without fear of pregnancy as promised that 
        condoms and pills will ensure no pregnancies.”

        ===> That’s good, no?
        ===> graveh amang RH bill yan, feminist.

        “Now, where does responsible parenthood come into the picture when even 
        unmarried women and married women who can have extramarital affairs are 
        “protected” by this RH law?”

        ===> So when did consensual sex between consenting adults became illegal? The point is – you want to have sex, fine, but protect yourself against diseases and prevent unwanted pregnancies.
        ===> Prevention is better than cure, so iwasan na lang ang sex, haha!

        “Why will the RH law teach the youth about safe sex when they will be encouraged to have premarital sex?”

        ===> Encourage? How? So you’re saying the youth will now have street orgies because we have this law? On the flip side, if we do not have this law, the youth will not have sex because they will be too afraid of diseases and pregnancies? Really Taleban, what planet did you come from?
        ===> so naun, wala na silang takot, ganun ba? magaling! mahusay!

         “Why should Filipinos celebrate the RH law when it is irresponsibly allowing sexual liaisons outside marriage? ”

        ===> Wala talaga akong masabi. You’re so out of touch with reality. Siguro pari ka ano?
        ===> Wala talaga akong masabi. No comment na na lang…tikom bibig!! 

      • reddfrog

         “We should help that woman to raise up her childrens, not to give her condoms.”

        ===> Yes. I’m sure the government is rolling in money and manpower to do that. Ayaw nga pansinin ni Padre Damaso.

        “a waste of money, they should teach them how to live, give them jobs.”

        ===> How? Jobs? You will not want to get into an argument about economics with me, specifically “job creation”. Hint: Jobs doesn’t grow on trees nor does jobs magically appear out of thin air.

        “The Earth is enough for our population, isn’t it?”

        ===> Not at this rate.

        ” It will also minimize the birth of one. If this can lost 1 life, is it worth it?”

        ===> You can’t lose what doesn’t exist. Using your argument — better have sex now instead of typing here, because if not then you are not creating a life, hence you lost that life.

        “But you will die because of AIDS and pills. Duh!”

        ===> Condoms help prevent the spread of AIDS and STDs. Double duh.

        “Multiply doesn’t always talk about physically, but it is common for normal minds.”

        ===> Yes, people can twist and turn the words of the Bible to suit their agendas. See what I mean?

        “Eh di ba ganun din aman sa RH? Sex-Education. Smart.”

        ===> So all those teachers and workers are….bachelors? Is that a requirement?

        “Responsible parenthood ang kailangan… sama mo na rin ung responsible sex ed.”

        ===> I agree – Education. Why withhold vital information from them?

        “I can’t blame you, but you are both people, is there any difference?”

        ===> Huh?

        “Prove that he is lying. :)”

        ===> Read the law in its entirety.

        “Sex is for married couple, but we can’t question God if He allows a
        child to be born in wrong ways, we are all not an accident, God has a
        purpose and plans for us (Jeremiah 29:11)”

        ===> Not everyone is Christian. See my comment about ramming morality down someone else’s throat.

        “Prevention is better than cure, so iwasan na lang ang sex, haha!”

        ===> Yes. Let’s resist all temptations. Because we are all saints. Unfortunately – there is fantasy, and there is reality. Guess which side we live in.

        “so naun, wala na silang takot, ganun ba? magaling! mahusay!”

        ===> So, sa akala mo the chance of pregnancy or getting STDs’ will stop teenagers with raging hormones from having sex? Did you skip your teenage years?

      • Albert Prestosa

        “a waste of money, they should teach them how to live, give them jobs.”

        ===> How? Jobs? You will not want to get into an argument about economics with me, specifically “job creation”. Hint: Jobs doesn’t grow on trees nor does jobs magically appear out of thin air.
        ===> kaya nga gamitin na lang nila ung 13Billion para lumikha ng trabaho at paunlarin ang ekonomiya, d nga un kusang sumusulpot pero cla ang expert jan, at nagpapaikot nyan..

        ” It will also minimize the birth of one. If this can lost 1 life, is it worth it?”

        ===> You can’t lose what doesn’t exist. Using your argument — better have sex now instead of typing here, because if not then you are not creating a life, hence you lost that life.
        ===> It is better na magpa-ligate na lang ang babae kesa gumamit ng condoms. Hnd naman pagkitil ang ang cncbng “lost-one” kundi ung mga “bata” na sana ay nabuo kung d ka nag-contraception. 

        “Eh di ba ganun din aman sa RH? Sex-Education. Smart.”

        ===> So all those teachers and workers are….bachelors? Is that a requirement?
        ===> How can they teach Sex-Education (with responsible parehthood) if first of all, they are not parents? sounds good.

        “so naun, wala na silang takot, ganun ba? magaling! mahusay!”

        ===> So, sa akala mo the chance of pregnancy or getting STDs’ will stop teenagers with raging hormones from having sex? Did you skip your teenage years?
        ===> Teenager pa rin aman ako, pero hnd ako katulad mo mag-isip. Besides, no self-control plus love out of emotions leads to… alam nyo na!

      • reddfrog

         “kaya nga gamitin na lang nila ung 13Billion para lumikha ng trabaho at
        paunlarin ang ekonomiya, d nga un kusang sumusulpot pero cla ang expert
        jan, at nagpapaikot nyan..”

        ===> No. Dumping 13 billion into job creation is not a sustainable way to solving this. Remember you’d have to create enough paying jobs now that will enable the family’s breadwinner to support a family of say, 8 or 10. Then see how that evolves as the kids grow up and have children of their own. And again, who will provide the jobs? Government?

        “It is better na magpa-ligate na lang ang babae kesa gumamit ng condoms.”

        ===> Their body, their choice. Why dictate to them? And again you are mourning for something that did not exist.

        “How can they teach Sex-Education (with responsible parehthood) if first of all, they are not parents?”

        ===> 1. How do you know they are not parents. 2. Professionally-trained. 3. Better than clergymen, don’t you think so?

        “Teenager pa rin aman ako”

        ===> Lots of things to learn and see then. I suggest spending a year doing volunteer work in depressed areas. You’ll learn a lot – good, bad and tragic. And try to reconcile on-the-ground reality with your beliefs and theories.

        “no self-control plus love out of emotions leads to”

        ===> People are humans, not machines. If everyone can control their emotions then the world would have been utopia. Again — reality against beliefs and theories.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Bigyan ng trabaho ang isang mag-anak na 8 o 10 anak. Sabay tatanungin, ano napag-aralan mo? Sasagot ng WALA…. ok mabibigyan ba ng trabaho, HINDI rin. Magne-negosyo siya? San manggagaling ang puhunan? So dapat sisihin ang pamahalaan o ang simbahan sa kanilang kahirapan? Parehas na HINDI!!! May dapat bang sisihin, WALA!!! May magagawa ka ba? OO… TULUNGAN ang MAHIRAP, PUWEDE…. pero SAPAT Ba ang TULONG mo? HINDI!!! Hindi kailangan ng mga ito ang mga pansamantalang TULONG na sinasabi mo, 

        Do I dictate them? I suggest for a better…. just like the RH bill who become a law that suggest people, but It require a lots of hospital to have a stock of condoms. So by then, if child is not form because of contraception, even there is the possibility to form a child, you cut the root of reproduction, it is the same with abortion. Gusto mong maniwala na bagamat walang nabuo ay tama lang ang ginagawa mo. 

        I talk about those QUALIFIED clergies, and their TRADITION is to be SINGLE… :)

        beliefs and theories? I am not a Scientist, nor a Scientologist…

        Kaibigan, may utak ka din po, pde yang gamitin, kasi nga TAO ka, hnd MACHINES… so pag GALIT ka, papakita mong GALIT ka para lang masabi mo na GALIT ka kahit na alam mo na dahil sa GALIT mo, pde MASIRA ang isang PAMILYA.

        GALIT ka sa mga clergy, at iyon ang ugat kaya mo nasasabi yan.. 

        As u said earlier you have “close-relationship to God” then, I suggest that you would pray to Him to open your mind and heart from truth. I hope he answers with a loud voice… truth apart from your realities, apart from their theologies.

      • reddfrog

        Again, you are mourning for something that doesn’t exist. Mag-sex ka nalang kesa mag-type. Sa pag-popost mo hindi nabubuo anak mo, so you’re sinning.

        As for your other arguments – they’re based on your assumptions. You’re entitled to it. Nothing I can do but pray for you.

    • joshmale2004

      This is not a religion issue alone. Whether mothers are Catholics or non-Catholics or atheists, all of them should be educated about responsible parenthood. Responsible Parenthood, by the way, does not exist in the RH law. There is no provision about SPACING BIRTHS. The RH law does not specify only for MARRIED SPOUSES. Instead, the RH law purportedly protects every female’s right to enjoy sex and have as many as she wants without fear of pregnancy as promised that condoms and pills will ensure no pregnancies. The RH law is securing the “happiness of women” with the definition coined by Sen. Pia Cayetano as “SAFE AND SATISFYING SEX LIFE”. 

      Sir, your concern above is well addressed in the RH Bill under Sections – 2, 3k, 3f, 4e, 10 and 11.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        joshmale2004
        With all the legalese contained in the sections you mentioned in the RH law, these are precisely the objections by the anti-RH legislators where the apparent rights of individuals to choose which family planning method is appropriate are protected by the bill (during its deliberations) but the meat of the RH law is the procurement of “modern family planning methods” which are none other than condoms, pills, tubal ligation devices, vasectomy equipment, safe sex education materials. 
        The anti-RH legislators were outnumbered and they had to give in to the few revisions inserted into the bill/law which amounted to nothing really. Lip service. In my opinion, there was not enough support from the lawmakers to defend the NFP as the principal family planning method and the artificial (renamed “modern”) methods as supplementary only. That is what happened. What the anti-RH got was “pangpalubag-loob”.
        I know and I hope that you do also that the RH law is a redundancy of existing laws on reproductive health and administrative policies of the Department of Health. It so happens, however, that our president counts this as his landmark urgent bill that the DOH people just kept mum about the redundancy. What is lacking is the implementation of prior laws whereby public hospitals and barangay clinics must be adequately equipped with supplies, equipment, and competent health professionals to serve poor families (expecting mothers, born babies) to avail of FREE SERVICES and reduce the incidence of maternal/infantile deaths. If there was complete and correct implementation of prior laws, there would not have been any need for the RH law. Mothers visit the public hospitals and barangay clinics and are told to buy their own medicines or the doctor is not around or the delivery room facilities are inadequate. The RH law will stop births and have little need for public hospital personnel who will deliver babies. Ergo, no need to rehabilitate the “sick state” of public hospitals and barangay clinics. Fewer pregnant mothers to attend to…higher savings to distribute among senators and congresspeople. 

      • reddfrog

         Don’t blame the law for failure of implementation. Common sense lang yan. Oh I forgot, you’re Catholic.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      ‘The only argument the RH (contraception) law supporters can put up is to banner a rare story of a woman with many children.’

      Stopped reading there.

      You’re an idiot if you truly believe that and a liar otherwise.  Multiple arguments against the RH Bill have been put to you, and frankly we’ve wiped the floor with you on multiple occasions.

      We all know you’re an old, out-of-touch fanatic, so we;re not particularly surprised, but you at least used to put some effort into your lying.

  • Albert Prestosa

    13 Billion… kung pinang-subsidize na lang un sa MRT, para bawas pamasahe… :)

    • HoyGago

      O kung gamitin para sa RH, para bawas pasahero. Bobo.

      • Albert Prestosa

        ikaw na matalino, eh d ba pde aman gamitin din un para ma-improve ang serbisyo :)

      • Jane Tan

        o kaya pwede nalang ulit ni JPE ipamigay ;)

  • marionics

     
      Brigid had been a devout Catholic so it was a surprise to
    everybody when she married out of the church. But although
    married to a Presbyterian she always attended mass.
      One Sunday morning she rose as usual and began to dress.
    She was conscious of her husband watching her as she slipped
    out of her nightie, pulled on her stockings, and hooked up
    her bra. She even noticed the bedsheet rising just below his
    navel.
      She took off her bra, her stockings and pants and climbed
    back into bed.
      “I thought you were going to church,” he said.
      “The Catholic Church will stand forever,” she said, “but
    how long can you trust a Presbyterian dick?”
     

    • Albert Prestosa

      member ka ng PATAS kua noh!!??? or Free-thinkers?? 

      • marionics

        nagre-recruit ka ba? hahaha

      • Albert Prestosa

        hnd… hahaha! d aman ako member nung 2 un eh…

  • http://coolcathlics.org/ coolcatholics

    It’s her choice to have 22 children. How many devout Catholics are there with much less children than that? Are they therefore less Catholic than this mother?

    If she wants birth control and wants to follow the Church at the same time, then she should have followed the Church’s teaching about Natural Family Planning, which is FREE, has no side effects and completely effective.

    As to the writer, your bias is clear. You want to blame population growth on the Church. What the Church teaches is doing things the moral way, birth control the moral way. The Church isn’t against population control per se. It is against the immoral ways of controlling it. There is no moral compromise on anything that can kill the defenseless in a mother’s womb.

    • Albert Prestosa

      and how can they called themselves “devout”? 
      and now they blame what they devour for…
      what an irony!?

    • reddfrog

       Oh puleeze stop ramming your version of morality down everyone’s throat.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      You’re one to talk about bias.

      And the Church’s stand on NFP vs. condoms is seriously one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.  How anyone can look at that and NOT immediately lose respect for the institution is beyond me.  It’s really amazingly stupid.

    • panhase

       The so called “natural” family planning is completely effective?
      Your comment shows that education on reproductive health is urgently needed in this country.

  • marionics

    What’s the best thing about working in the Vatican?
    No office collections for weddings or pregnancies.
     
     
     
    Photons have mass? I didn’t even know they were Catholic.
     
     
     
    How many Roman Catholics does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    Two, one to screw it in, the other to repent.
     
     
     
    Hear about the guy that was half Jewish and half Catholic?
    He brought his lawyer with him to confession.
     
     
     
    What’s the name of the new Catholic sperm bank?
    “Kingdom Come.”
     
     
     
    Hear about the Catholic Women’s Orchestra?
    It had to break up when their rhythm section got knocked up?
     
     
     

  • joshmale2004

    RH Law is more of an option and not the rule.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

    Now, what can PNoy do to Baseco with 60,000 mind boggling poor? Who are being used by politicians for their personal gain, who are in need of new life out of that place? Aren`t we just going to keep it that way or do something to make it a model development and program of upliftments for the poor? I`m hoping to knock on the senses of the DSWD, PAGIBIG, LGU, DILG, Malacanang, congress to appropriate a massive rehabilitation and development for the people of Baseco and the symbol of that area….

  • Albert Prestosa

    God is more than a religion. He cares about Relationships. Church is a family, not a building. And religious is different from godly. Magkaiba ang relihiyoso sa maka-Diyos.

    un lang po, salama!

    • bacsann

       magkaiba man sila ngunit sila ay magkakagayundin…

      • Albert Prestosa

        hnd po, magkaiba nga d ba?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      The Church IS a family, and the CBCP is the crazy uncle people try to avoid at parties.

      • Albert Prestosa

        No comment ako tungkol sa CBCP… hahaha!!! But Life is a Party,

  • Albert Prestosa

    Kagustuhan ng Diyos na isilang ang mga bata pero hnd ang magdusa ang magulang at pamilya. Sang-ayon ako sa iba pang mga argumento.

  • noreligionhavefaith

    RELIGION = The greatest story ever told!

    • Albert Prestosa

      reddfrog, kaw din b yan? haha!

      • reddfrog

         No. I would have said “fairy tale” instead of “story”.

    • bacsann

       faith of what????

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE yahoo-CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE

      agree.  and these anti-RH people always quoting the bible.  Aren’t they aware that the bible was written hundred of years after the death of Jesus?  And those words are their creation/imagination, not something dictated to them by some holy spirit.  

      • Albert Prestosa

        Are you sure of what you are talking about? How about the Old Testament? They are co-related with each other.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE yahoo-CDYBOBHG6QTXBMZXWV7GJTZAJE

      agree.  and these anti-RH people always quoting the bible.  Aren’t they aware that the bible was written hundred of years after the death of Jesus?  And those words are their creation/imagination, not something dictated to them by some holy spirit.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Bill was approved in ITALY, the pope was QUIET.

    Why are you lowly bishops so NOISY?

    • reddfrog

       It’s about political power. That way they can continue asking for donations and SUV’s, in exchange for their “unwavering support”.

    • RiverHorse

      wow… and you proclaim your ignorance by pointing out the pope’s silence on italian affairs, huh? kung nde ka naman BOBO at KALAHATE, the vatican city is NOT PART of ITALY. hindi talaga panghihimasukan ng pope ang law ng IBANG BANSA. GETS? of ganun kababa ang IQ mo?

  • jinx

    Being the bitter losers in this contentious debate, the anti-RH thugs are left with two weapons: to judge and to condemn, not to mention the relentless appeals for TRO. These are the kind of people who have exaggerated opinion of themselves just because of a certain religious belief or dogma.  The RH bill has just been implemented, and they already issue warnings, threats, and apocalypse.  Haha, to think that it will take years to see if the law is effective or not, here they are talking about dire consequences in less than a year. 

    And yet we already see positive signs this bill will work.  Women who had given birth to multiple children expressed their regrets.  They have suffered so much, and I can only imagine the sufferings the children went through. One woman blamed her predicament to a blind belief on a dogma.  They knew better, better than Arguelles and this jerk from Serve Life.  Arguelles and this jerk will only feed poor people with their sweet empty words.  “Wag kayong mag-alala, blessing yan.”  Blessing para kay padre damaso kamo—dami limos, binyag, kasal, pera, para sa simbahan.   

    • reddfrog

       They need more poor and ignorant people to be their minions.

    • Albert Prestosa

      Who are you to judge them? and do you think you become right by condemning them…

      • jinx

        I was judgmental? Which part of what I said was judgmental? Just point it out and i will substantiate it with proof.

      • Albert Prestosa

        “the anti-RH thugs are left with two weapons: to judge and to condemn, not to mention the relentless appeals for TRO” 
        you said that one of your weapons is to judge, the other is to condemn. Do you think that if Jesus exist, he will judge them. Do Jesus judge Mary Magdalene? It is the people who judge her. Do Jesus play debates with the sinners? no. But look how he talk with the religious people, with the hypocrites. :) :) :)

      • Albert Prestosa

        this comment is not suitable for you, sorry haha!!!
        Oh well I can’t blame you to have a stand like that. :)
        xD

      • jinx

        Mr. Albert, ang linaw ng sinabi ko, kung sino ang tinutukoy kong judgmental at condemnatory: mga anti-RH yun, hindi sarili ko. Why would I announce to everyone that I am judgmental and condemnatory?  Lam mo, I hate to say this kasi you sound like a polite person. Pero, reddfrog has a point when he said “They (priests) need more poor and ignorant people to be their minions.”

      • Albert Prestosa

        It is obvious that the comment is for those who are judgemental… and if it is not you, you have nothing to defend about. I dont see the comment as a whole picture, I admit that, so I focous on the one which I read… In case of reddfrog comment, kahit pa dumami ang populasyon, hnd rin aman ganoon kadami ang tinatawag nating “minions.”

        Maraming sinilang na Katoliko, gaya ko! Pero hindi rin ako sang-ayon sa iba nilang turo (like that Black Nazarene fiestas), pero hnd aman lahat ng nabinyagan ay naalala pang magsimba. Sabi ng kaibigan ko, may at least 3 pagkakataon pde ka makapunta sa Cath church..

        dun sa Baptism (daw), kasi bata ka
        dun sa First Communion, requirement ng skul
        at kapag Patay ka na :)

        I am Anti-RH bill but I don’t want to judge anyone, If I judge someone else, it is not my intention and sorry for that :) 

  • kilabot

    what now. 
    the world agenda is to make the abnormal the new normal; 
    1) dangerous drugs; 
    2) same-sex marriage; 
    3) man-beast union; 
    4) prostitution; 
    5) pedophilia; 
    6) abortion; 

    the agenda is being pushed around the world; 
    some countries have already legalized one or more of the agenda items; 
    the push is intensifying; targeting world leaders and people of influence; 
    uk, france, netherlands, spain, sweden, southafrica, argentina and canada have fallen; 
    obama, clinton and carter have fallen; the whole usa may fall soon; 
    noykapon has fallen; so do many ph politicians and academics; ph on the verge of falling; 

    everything will be redefined; 
    freedom means free condom; 
    $sodomy becomes love; bestialisex is affection; a toilet bowl becomes a sex object; 
    a junkie is chic; a prostitute is enterprising; 
    adopting the agenda is equated to progress, prosperity and advancement; 

    the idea is to make the world one big orgy; all people thinking, behaving and acting alike; 
    one world order; the reign of the great pervert; 
    there will be no more right nor wrong; there is only normal perversion; 

    time to choose which side you are on; fence-sitting not recommended. 
    do something against perversion. help rehabilitate a pervert; 

    No to perversion!
    No to rhlaw.

    • reddfrog

       1) dangerous drugs;  ==> Which country, and what drugs?
      2) same-sex marriage; ==> Does that hurt or affect you?
      3) man-beast union; ==> Which country. Provide facts.
      4) prostitution; ==> You mean “the oldest profession”?
      5) pedophilia; ==> Ask the Catholic clergymen.
      6) abortion; ==> Some people deserve to be aborted.

      • Albert Prestosa

        galit na galit xa sa clerygyman… hayst!

      • reddfrog

         Not really. That said, I pity the sheep.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Some people deserve to be aborted? So parang cnb mo na karapat-dapat lang sila patayin? So parang cnb mo na deserving ka na mamatay? ganun!!! 

      • reddfrog

        I see your sense of humor took a vacation today.

      • marionics

        permanent vacation? he he

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HGC2U2QUAREAK42HNUTSNQGBVI SolitaJ

       You are spreading exaggerated fears kilabot! Read the RH Law so you will be properly informed.

      • Albert Prestosa

        Ayon sa nakasulat sa RH bill, maganda po ang kanyang layunin. Protektahan ang pamilya… but the bill won’t fullfill its purpose, I bet. 

      • reddfrog

         Why won’t it?

      • Albert Prestosa

        A long explanation is not enough, we see the evidence after 20-30 years :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      im sick and tired of people insulting my country and my president epecially when they dont have a clue. when did god make you a morality cop and what is your badge number. i chose my side and its sure in the hell not your side. they make medicine for your hysterics. i suggest you find a cave to hide in if the world is going to hell

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      ‘the world agenda is to make the abnormal the new normal’

      Not commenting on your ridiculous list (which country, exactly, is trying to make man-beast unions acceptable?), but it’s worth noting that a few decades ago that list would’ve included equal rights for all races and women’s suffrage.

      • reddfrog

         That would have been abnormal from a Catholic viewpoint.

    • Diepor

      If you mean mariujana its not a dangerous drug but a medical plant given to us by god. Why are you against the gifts of the lord? SINNER.Reedem yourself before its to late.

  • bacsann

    so wat are the points here of this article???? napigilan sana  o na control o hindi kaya pinatay sana ang 19 o labing siyam na gusto ni nanay kaso wala pa ang RH Bill??? civilized people???? Wat if naging Dolphy o Revilla o sinong mga mayayaman na may maraming anak si Nanay????…saan ang kahirapan??? salamat at libre ang condoms at lahat ng klase control ngayon tama ito at maganda…para saan at para kanino ang pananaw na ito???? kung ang EPAL na kampanya sa TV kahit wala pang campaign period tinulong sa mahirap malaking bagay na sana….Nay huwag po ninyo sisihin ang dami ng inyong anak kaya kayo mahirap…Marami mayaman marami anak ngunit mayaman parin sila…ano at saan ngayon ang dahilan ng kahirapan????

    • Albert Prestosa

      may punto ka :) tama, hnd justifiable ang number of childs sa poverty, it is how u handle… the family…

      • RiverHorse

        grammar 101: plural form ng child is not “childs” but “children.”

  • bacsann

    hoy writer bias mo alam mo ba ang lahat ng teaching sa simbahan??? alam mo ba ang social teaching ng simbahan??? RH Bill is more discuss through the lense of morality please try to connect it through the social teachings of the Church para makita ang pananaw ng simbahan sa kahirapan…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      CBCP BISHOPS YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES!!

  • http://twitter.com/DianneRoa Dianne Roa-Oarde

    karamihan ata sa mga kumo-comment dito mga lalaki. Kung maka-comment naman sina kuya, akala mo sila ang nagbubuntis. May pa-“it was her choice” pa. Wow.

    Just saying.

  • Albert Prestosa

    Genesis 38
    8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

    Si Onan po ba kayo na ang iniisip lamang ay ang sarili at puro sarap sa buhay? Na bagamat nakikipag-talik ay takot gampanan ang kanyang responsibilidad? 

    Ang daming nagko-comment dito na hindi ko alam kung anong pinaghuhugutan nyo.
    Sa mga maalam sa Bibliya diyan, wala tayong karapatan husgahan sila, kahit pa hnd tayo sang-ayon sa kanilang pinaglalaban. At sa iba na akala mo malinis kung makahusga ng kapwa… :) hayst! Ayoko po makipagtalo kanino man pero sana malinawan kau dito.. :) God bless us all!!

    @bacsann:disqus @reddfrog:disqus @kilabot:disqus 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      So, just to get this straight, you believe that the ancient Jewish law wherein if a man’s brother in law dies he should impregnate her and raise their children should be implemented?

      Because that is a huge part of that bit, and if we’re quoting scripture we really shouldn’t be picking and choosing, no?

      Or did you not even read that first bit, and blindly throw this around without knowing the context?

      • Albert Prestosa

        I am not talk about Jewish traditions, kasi para po sa mga Jews un, at hnd po tayo Jews, Pinoy po tayo. Ang nais ko po tukuyin dito, na ang ginawa ni Onan ay hnd pagtupad sa kanyang tungkulin (na magkaroon ng anak). Sex is pleasurable in marriage bed at binigay iyon ng Diyos for us to reproduce. So kung ikaw mismo, having a pleasure of it but you are guilty of preventing life like what Onan did, you commit sin. 

        But then, we have a capable to reproduce at ang pagiging magulang ay isang responsibilidad. Mainam na planuhin nila ang pamilya (at isa sa layunin iyon ng RH bill), birth-control by self-control not contraception, un po ung nais ko sabihin.

        Noted:
        Lahat po ng tao ay nagkasala, walang perpekto pero lahat ay may pagkakataon pang magbago. Iyon lamang, salamat!  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No, you’re picking and choosing what parts of that you want to follow.  That’s ridiculous.

        That is a passage about a Jewish law.  If you’re going to cite that as some kind of evidence against the RH Bill, don’t be surprised if people point out that it’s about shagging your brother’s widow.

      • Albert Prestosa

        hayst! oo nga pala, bakit ko pala sasayangin ang oras ko para ipaliwanag @yahoo-EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI:disqus  at @MaySenseBa:disqus eh hnd nyo nga maiintindihan. Ipilit pa ang gusto paniwalaan… Jews ka ba? Judaist ka dre, ang tinutukoy ko ay iyong asal ni Onan, hnd iyong tradisyon.

        “Si Onan po ba kayo na ang iniisip lamang ay ang sarili at puro sarap sa buhay? Na bagamat nakikipag-talik ay takot gampanan ang kanyang responsibilidad? ”

        Ugali po ni Onan ang tinutukoy ko, hnd ko cnb na “hindi sinusunod ang tradisyon”, may ganung tradisyon ba sa Pinas. Wala po! So look at it in open manner, lawakan po natin ang isip kuya :) :) :)

        #nakakahawa!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Ayon sa sinasabi mo, dahil di ako Jew, di ko kailangan sundan ang scripture na yan, dahil para yan sa mga Jew.

        Kung gusto mo talaga pagisipan yan, ang krimen niya ay na di niya sinundan ang utos ni Judah. Hindi si Judah ang CBCP.

      • MaySenseBa

        @Jose:disqus thank you at na eBatukan mo yang bobo na @google-71bf9a968b548230bf23171a686bdc0d:disqus na yan.  Should we even be talking about his post though?  I mean, aren’t we giving his idiocy too much attention?

      • marionics

        e kung mala victorias secret model yung hipag e di GO! GO! GO!

        hahaha

  • disqusted0fu

    Exaggerated! The supposed functions of the RH law are obtainable with or without it because they already exist in some of the country’s laws and programs. The Arroyo administration successfully slowed down population growth through some policies without use of a huge amount of contraception.

    Boasting that this current administration is better than the rest, they should be able to do that too, even better.  

    • RiverHorse

      as with other issues, misinformation was the main tool used by arroyo and her cohorts.

  • virgoyap

     “Asked to comment on the plight of Cabenan, one of the groups that filed a
    petition with Supreme Court said her 22 children should be a cause for
    celebration and not regret.” It’s a well and good comment if this protesting group will be the one to take care of Cabenan’s children, Are you willing and ready to be responsible for her children?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      virgoyap

      Bring the helpless
      children to a Catholic charitable organization.

      Orphanages abound in
      this country.

      But, I suppose Rosalie
      Cabenan is too proud to admit that she cannot handle them. The youngest at 6
      cannot be weaned anymore. She knows her family already. This is why your
      suggestion will not work as her children will not want to be separated from
      their parents.

      Incidentally, there are
      families with large number of children who remain happy together as children
      study hard in school and help out with household chores. That is not difficult
      to teach, don’t you think so? But, if parents spoil the children by not letting
      them touch the dishes or do the laundry, then the children will remain to be a
      burden.

      • virgoyap

         This is easier said than done. Let’s be realistic.

  • andrew lim

    @Mang Teban
    The church promotes NFP through its pre-marriage counselling, yes, but it is just a small part in its program, not a major one.
     
    Ask around to see if the awareness level of the NFP is high. It is not.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Your observation is correct.
      However, there is a growing trend among lay Catholics to bring back the same fervor among married couples to remain faithful to each other and, to those who have fallen, they have restored their lifetime commitment on their marriage vows. 
      NFP is best explained by a group of medical physicians and spiritual advisers.
      Not anyone can have the expertise on this and to answer delicate questions on the matter.
      Christ Jesus said – “The harvest is rich but the workers are few.” We shall overcome. If you can, please help your parish community in any small way that you can like explaining the sanctity of marriage and chastity among the youth. Do not be swayed by the majority. Do not believe the lie that the Church is obsolete. God’s word lives forever.

  • andrew lim

    @Mang Teban

    The state has to intervene in this case because who else will save these people from their misery?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      andrew lim:

      I am not preventing the
      State to do something to alleviate the misery of the poor families. 

      Poverty is a
      multifaceted problem. There are many faces. On the RH law, consider this –

      Will contraceptives
      bring food within days, weeks or months to those who are starving?

       

      Those “overly large
      families” among the economically poor couples who did not plan well and
      are now carrying the burden to feed mouths more than their hands can produce
      the food are root cause of the problem. Lack of discipline to sacrifice (not
      enjoy sex when it is convenient) is the reason why they have so many children.
      Let them suffer. Do you still believe they need help? But, please do not
      believe the lame excuse the Church told them so. Crap. 

       

      Some families with many
      children, although poor, manage to have a happy household as children study
      hard in school and help at home to lighten the burden of their parents. These
      families need to be emulated by those with similar size of children. 

       

      Poor people are
      sometimes spoiled by politicians, don’t you think so? Because anyway
      politicians use some gullible poor with promises (and extra cash during
      elections) to squat on lands that they do not own so that they are under the
      command of the family dynasties. This is the ugly truth about poverty lasting
      through many generations.

  • Babiker_Ahmed

    Lanicao is dumb!!! Children are gifts if they are provided with enough care and upbrining!!! Come on Mr. Lanicao, ilang bata ang napapariwara dahil hindi nabibigyan ng tamang atensiyon ng kanilang mga magulang.. Huwag ka ngang magbulag-bulagan diyan…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      YUNG TAMOD LIFE DIN DAW YUN SABI NG OBISPO WAG ITAPON!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    IPADALA NA NINYO SA BUWAN ANG MGA OBISPO SALOT AT ANG BLACK NAZARENE NILA MADE IN CHINA! SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! KUNG MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS!!

  • MaySenseBa

    Rosalie Cabenan and her 22 kids are the people who end up determining who our elected officials are.  They don’t even have enough for food, you think they keep themselves updated with current events?  But we are stuck in this cycle where these kinds of people elect the tito sotto, lito lapid, bong bong marcos, brenda, jpe, bong revilla, joker arroyos to the senate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

    kainis naman itong moderator ng inquirer tinanggal yung comment ko…ayan nakalimutan ko na tuloy yung na i type ko.
    O eto ulit-  nag survey kaya itong mga PRO RH BILL proponents kung ano ang IQ at kamulatan ng mga taong may maraming anak at wala namang maipakain sa mga anak – i off topic natin dito yung mga well to do na maraming anak. Kasi hindi porket may pinag aralan ka hindi ka naman nakakasigurado na gaganda ang buhay mo at hindi ka magkakaroon ng maraming anak na hindi mo kayang buhayin. Kaya nga ang pag aasawa ay hindi lang puros pag se sex. Initially 3 anak lang daw ang balak but then naging 22 -the writer di not mention kung buhay pa lahat ng anak. Hindi kagustuhan ng diyos na mag anak ka ng marami to the point na wala kang maipakain at totally bumigay ang katawan. Kaya nga ang utak nilagay sa ulo para makontrol nito yung buong katawan at hindi sa pagitan ng 2 hita. My people perish because of lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6). Marami kasi sa mga taong nag aasawa kulang ang pananaw sa buhay – Well I am not surprised nag asawa sya at age of 14 – yan kasi kulang sa kamulatan inuna ang pag bo boyfriend kesa pag aaral – nakakainis nga yung mga teleserye na nag pro promote na early relationship kaya ayun ginagaya ng mga kabataan yung kanilang kalandian.  Biblically (If you believe in God) God said – go and multiply – this is a commandment from GOD during the beginning of time kasi wala pang tao (na ngayon ay ginagawang excuse ng mga manyakis). Believe me hindi effectvie ang RH Bill sa ganitong scenario – eh nung panahon ni Marcos ginawa na ang Family Planning methods hindi naman naging effective tapos itong writer eh sinisi yung RH bill bakit hindi naimplement kaagad – pwede mag research muna bago mag balita. Kung hindi ko pa alam na pressure lang itong mga RH Bill proponents sa WB/IMF/UN kasi may foreign aid daw–excuse me babayaran din ito ng Pinas in other forms.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      if the church is worried about commandments why did they remove one and take the tenth and split it into 2 commandments.

      • Baruk1

        The Law of Love, Love God and Love your neighbor is just a summary of the Ten Commandments given to Moses in Mt Sinnai.

        The main Christians are trying to emphasize that there is a changed so they can justify the Sunday observance instead of the Sabbath (Sat) as commanded to honor God.

        In reality the first 4 including the Sabbath law is for love of God and the other six is for love of neighbour.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        welcome to the friendly discussions going on i was feeling lonely. 

      • RiverHorse

        and who are the main christians you speak of?

      • Baruk1

        All prophesying Christians especially those practicing Sun day as Lord’s day.
         
        Apostolic Christians, during the time of the Apostle, never ever observed Sunday. You can check it in your Bible. Over hundred years after Jesus Christ died, the last book of the Bible was completed and you can read that all Christian observed Sabbath as commanded, the Jews and the Greek as well.

      • RiverHorse

        and do you know why the shift from sabbath to sunday as the lord’s day and who changed it to such?

      • Baruk1

        REPLY ON TOP PLEASE

    • Albert Prestosa

      The summation of all commandments is this: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

      But Jesus said to his disciples…
      “Love one another as how I love you..”
      Jesus change the old commandment, for God knows that our love towards God is not enough.

      so If you experience the love of Jesus, you can also give it to your fellow believers and to other people as well..because it is unfailing.

      But then, we also have a new multiplication…

      “Therefore go and make disciples, baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

      So the new multiplication is this, to make disciples, a follower of Jesus. So Jesus died to build Christianity??? To have a disciples. :) :) :) more than a religion, tradition, beliefs, and theories. 

      Share – off to topic.

      • Baruk1

        – “”Jesus change the old commandment,””–
         
        THAT IS MISLEADING!!! That can lead to deceiving Christians.
         
        When a young man came to Him asking the way to eternal life, Jesus said: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:16–18). The young man asked, “Which?” Jesus answered: “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery…'” and proceeded to list several of the Ten Commandments. Jesus Christ knew the way to salvation! He said that way was obedience to the law of God the Father and surrender to His will.
         
        Does this Christian love “do away” or change the Ten Commandments of God? — OF COURSE NOT
         
        It only emphasizes and magnifies the personal love Christians must have toward their fellow men. This love goes far beyond the letter of the Ten Commandments—but by no means replaces them!
         
        A true Christian should not only have faith in Christ, but should live by the very faith of Christ placed in him by the Holy Spirit. Christ—through the Spirit—should literally be living in the true Christian. Remember, Christ will live the same life in you today that He did 1900 years ago—setting an example. “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever” (Hebrews 13:8).
         
        When we examine the positive side of the “new” commandments, we find that they simply reinforce and make more binding the old! They outline a way of love—of giving—of serving, which can only be attained through Christ Himself living in us.
         
        As John wrote in his second epistle: “And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it” (2 John vv. 5–6).
         

      • RiverHorse

        you don’t know your christianity then. jesus perfected the law. he challenged the long-standing belief regarding the uprightness of divorce. or do you not read the bible? living by faith is not enough, remember what Paul said: faith without good works is DEAD FAITH. or do you not read the bible?

      • Baruk1

        REPLY ON TOP PLEASE

      • RiverHorse

        yan ang napapala mo sa pagmamarunong mo. nde ko problema na nde ka makaintindi. two choices, MAG-ARAL KA o tumahimik ka. either way, HUWAG KA MAKIALAM SA BAGAY NA NDE MO NAIINTINDIHAN.

    • Albert Prestosa

      “Kung hindi ko pa alam na pressure lang itong mga RH Bill proponents sa WB/IMF/UN kasi may foreign aid daw–excuse me babayaran din ito ng Pinas in other forms.”
      …so pera pera lang pala???? hahahaha 
      kung totoo man ito, hahaha! 

  • AllinLawisFair

    “A devout Catholic who still goes to mass twice a week, Cabenan nevertheless regrets following  the Church dogma so strictly and said she welcomed the Responsible Parenthood Health Act of 2012…”

    How many Cabenans are there in this country of 80 million Catholics?  Had there been an RH Act 30 years earlier the population of this country could have been just about a manageable 70 million instead of the more than 90 million now. There could have been lesser poor people today. 

    Are the leaders of the Catholic Church gloating for having 80 million members? 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Yeah, how many?
      Catholic Church leaders have nothing to do with spoiled women who, after having so many children and irresponsibly forgetting her husband cannot feed so many mouths, they blame the Church.
      Human life creation comes from God. So, if you think that human beings can control population, how come that after several decades that condoms and pills proliferated from the time of Marcos compliments of USAID in the mid-sixties, how come there were still babies born more than the projected birth rate? Contraceptives failed because of lack of discipline by the beneficiaries. Besides, condoms only gave the false assurance of safe sex all the time. Some rubber failed and caused pregnancies and finger-pointing among spouses. Of course, infidelity among spouses also increased as more and more men had illicit liaisons with the power of the condoms. (some women had extramarital affairs with the power of the pills).
      Where do you account the SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE ON PLANET EARTH as of October 2011? Condoms and pills fail to stop population growth 
      And you think that China with the largest population in the world should be the poorest because there should have been more poverty because of huge population?
      Overpopulation causing poverty is the falsehood being peddled for you and the gullible Filipinos to support the most expensive health bill in the history of this country – 13 billion pesos budget annually to buy the rubber and the chemical substances inside the pills.
      How long will food come to the  table if a poor couple will now practice contraception?

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        speaking of gullible i come from a country that has birth contol and i never heard anyone complaining until i came here i have read so many lies in the papers about the pill its laughable. the church was using japan and singapore as examples of low population growth and the philippines would have to make more children to send to these countries to take up the slack. a nice legacy. the reason things as failed here is because the church has used the bogieman tactics against the poor. take birth control and go to hell. why are priests using the pill on the nuns they rape go on the internet and type in priests raping nuns philippines. it covers a investagation did in 22 countries. they even forced them to get abortions. practice what you preach

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        only the gullible will believe what you wrote..garbage ..saan bansa ka bok nakatira? feeling foreigner itong hunghang na ito.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        forgeigner insulting again i bet i pay more taxes here than you do and i have spent over a million pesos in the last 5 years feeding the poor paying for their funerals and hospital bills. i have put 6 children through college. i have taken sick people 50 kilpos to the nearest hospital when no one else would because they were afraid the person might die and haunt their car. from most of the people writting here i would say you are out numbered. what have you done except whip out some church propaganda.i lived in a state that was bigger than the philippines and had 800000 know why birth control. no straving kids digging garbage. why are so many radicals are racists.

      • AllinLawisFair

        I was born a Catholic and I will stay as one to the end. None has proven yet which is the true religion and in the absence of proof, I prefer to remain what I am, a Catholic. 

        But I am not among those who unquestioningly follow what bishops and priests preach. I have seen how many of them have not been following what they preach, much worse, they themselves do what they forbid. 

        I see people gathering in so-called prayer meetings. I have received invitations, directly or by insinuations to join one and i politely rejected. I would rather pray to communicate with my God in my own time and place of choice.

        I have read a lot of history books and seen documentaries about the abuses of those who used the name of god in conquering peoples, from medieval Europe to  Central and South Americas. 

        Look at the mostly Catholic nations of Central and South America; they are mostly poor countries which have been regarded as banana republics. Even their mother colonizing power Spain is nor bankrupt.

        Creation of human life comes from God, you say. I will not dispute that. but I agree more with what John F. Kennedy said and I quote, as follows

        ” … here on earth God’s work must really be our own.”

        He gave us the ability to learn and acquire wisdom so that we can be able to sustain our existence with the help of the knowledge we gain. The discovery of the methods with which overpopulation may be arrested is part of that knowledge that God gave. 

    • RiverHorse

      if she was a true catholic, she would not have ended up pregnant at the age of 14. if at all, she maybe just go to Mass and believe she is already doing catholic deeds.

  • RiverHorse

    mother at 14! yan ang nagagawa ng mass media at politics. instead of pointing a finger at the catholic church, why not point a finger at each and every one of us for allowing this kind of social illness to creep into society??? nde kasalanan ng simabahan na nanganak sya ng sobrang bata. yan din ang nangyayari sa pagkahilig nating mga pilipino sa quick-fix solutions na nde pinag iisipan tulad ng RH bill. NAWAWALA DISIPLINA!

    • Don Dee

      That is very Catholic of you. CONDEMN everyone who falls short of the “Catholic ideal”. Ganyan nga ang tunay ROMAN CATHOLICISM na naala ko. Tunay kang KATOLIKO! Congratulations! 

      • RiverHorse

        oh yeah, catholicism is inconvenient to the undisciplined. ang pagsisisi laging nasa huli, in your case, i hope your daughter would not end up pregnant by the age of 16 or earlier. if she does, it’s just as well, if only to teach you a bitter lesson in humility, asswipe.

      • Don Dee

        Why not torture the sinners to teach them humility while you are at it. This is Catholicism at its best! Drag us all back to the dark ages. This is what Jesus taught all of us (according to you Catholics). All those who sin should be punished, ridiculed, shamed. Ladies and gentlemen, we definitely have a CATHOLIC here!

      • RiverHorse

        and you call yourself what, a christian? ha, some christian you turned out to be. everything you teach is all about raking money in. hypocrite.

      • Don Dee

        Not a Christian. I’m an agnostic. And as far defending your church,  is that all you can do? Try and paint everyone else just as guilty as you? Relative innocence? lol! You are pathetic. You don’t even deny that Catholicism teaches you to be judgmental! WTF? Judge not and ye shall not be judged, for with whatever ye measure others, ye shall be measured. I am agnostic, but I like the teachings of Jesus. He is a “chill” guy. Not the “I condemn you all sinners to hell” you Catholics make him out to be. Trust me, Jesus wouldn’t have dismissed this poor woman to “WALANG DISIPLINA”, kaya leche sya, bahala sya sa buhay nya. And that my friend, is an agnostic teaching you something about Christianity.

      • RiverHorse

        the only reason why i did not put up a defense is because you are barking up the wrong tree. the catholic church does not condemn sinners, what it condemns is the sin. and truth to be told, there is no such thing as a true agnostic. you might just be going through a phase or, to be more accurate, you are in a state of denial. you don’t fool me.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         And raising money is a specialty of the Catholic church.

      • RiverHorse

        you’ve got the wrong religion, that’s congress’ and politics’ specialty not the catholic church. :)

  • Albert Prestosa

    Ayoko makipag-talo pero nakikipag-talo na ako. 
    Ok ok cgeh respetuhin na lang po natin ang opinyon ng isa’t-isa, I end on this… bye!!! :)
    hahaha! :) God bless Philippines..

    Here is my stand:
    I am anti-RH, but I am against judging pro-ones.. :) :) :) 
    sa lahat ng matatalino, o sige kayo na!

  • marionics

     
      A Baptist minister, a Rabbi, and a Roman Catholic priest were
    in some sort of ecumenical gathering.  As they were seated at the
    same conference table, their discussion got around to problems in
    their congregations.
      All three of them had problems with bats in the belfry.
    The Baptist minister admitted that he actually crawled up there
    and shot them. But, then he had holes in the roof and had to have
    that repaired. The Rabbi said that he set traps for the bats but
    they still came back.
      The Roman Catholic priest said that he baptized the bats, then
    confirmed them and he hasn’t seen them since.
     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      mariones naman…kulang ka talaga sa pansin..
      Are you having fun spreading anti-Catholic jokes?

      Do something worthwhile – look at yourself and ask God for His forgiveness to what you are doing.
      You see,  maliciously maligning Catholics and His Church happens to be Satan’s favorite pastime, too.
      Friends kayo?

      • marionics

        kiki mo pa rin he he

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        friend kayo ni Twister12?

      • marionics

        pekpek mo pa rin
        hahaha

      • Twister12

        Catholic Church maligned itself a long time ago.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        friend kayo ni joker marionics?….mariones naman talaga kayong dalawa.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         The Catholic church has been out of step for years.  As for Catholic jokes, the molestation of young kids by priests is no joke at all!

      • RiverHorse

        and what about Waco and the other cults? why don’t you bring those up also? truth is, no religion does not have its fair share of atrocities. i mean, look at you, you’re an atrocity, aren’t you?

  • Tonypogi

    It is not too late for the Catholic Church to put its foot in its mouth. Help Rosalie Cabenan support her 22 children. At least give them scholarships in the numerous Catholic run schools.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Why blame again the Catholic Church for the vanity this woman had?
      I think you are spoiling women who definitely did not use their heads quite well to have that many pregnancies and pity them like “victims”. Moreover, she blamed the Church for her woes except herself and her husband. I am certain Rosalie Cabanen would not have wanted to let go of any of her babies when they were born. She wanted them to herself anyway unlike others who would have been humble to send for adoption the children she and her husband could no longer support. You pity her? Now, what can you do for her anyway? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        what a bigot. have you been in the mountains with the poor. i live among them and see what there is no jobs and very little food. so what happens the men get drunk on tuba then come home and edmand sex witj the wives if they dont get she is used for a punching bag. or else he finds a younger girl and leaves her with the kids. i have seen a lot of bruised and battered women. to bad you cant live their lives. and see how easy it is.many of these children end up in the city abandoned because no one can feed them. thats the reaal world

      • marionics

        nobody takes that guy seriously. he’s a stupid zealot and we just make fun of him he he

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        your right a person would get better results taking a bucket and draining the ocean dry than arguing with a fanatic, keep up the jokes

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       The Catholic church will never do that!  The one thing that it loves is money.

      • RiverHorse

        wrong religion. the catholic church was not founded by christ and the apostles to make money. making money off its congregation is the specialty of the born-again pastors. i know this for a fact, ganyan ginawa ng mga pastor sa grandparents ko using bible verses for their scam.

  • Jeremiah Rafols

    ITS JUST STUPIDITY…i am not against contraceptives.. or birth control…i dont think the church has legal stands as to how a husband and a wife should do sex..it’s their business and thats how they make love…but not using contraceptives?!?! and succesively making 22 kids?!?!? thats just stupidity, im against unmarried sex…but there is nothing wrong with using contraceptives when ur married….i just think the rh bill has pro and cons…now it promotes sex…but just do it safely? sex should be with in the bounds of married people…thats my stand…

  • Twister12

    If all Filipinos are under privilege & uneducated like this woman imagine what would be our population now.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Being “under privileged and uneducated” is no excuse to be vain and blame others for her woes. There are many women who are deprived of wealth and education but live responsibly and happily with whatever they have. There are also many rich and educated women who are unsatisfied with what they have. They become senators and support a bill that defines happiness as “safe and satisfying sex life”.

      • panhase

        Right, the safe and satisfying sex life is the privilege of the clergy. How dare this women to declare that others should have this also.

      • Twister12

        Of course that is a big excuse. How many
        children you have? If you have less than 5 then don’t tell me you have not use
        contraceptives otherwise it’s a big lie. Lahat malilibog hindi lang mahihirap
        but with the rich they have that education & the capability financially to
        buy these things. Pero ang mahihirap? Can’t afford it nor enough education to
        be aware enough. RH law law is providing that.Now if you have the luxury of
        choice why you want to deny them that? It’s like pag ikaw pwede pag sila na
        hindi? My point is if we have that freedom why they can’t have that? Just a
        thought. 

  • noreligionhavefaith

    religion = baseless, good storybook for the uninitiated.
    god = which one?
    catholics = scaremongers, superstitious, close-minded, self-righteous, hypocrites!!!

    majority of the cath. Filipinos = all of the above

  • just_anotherperson

    Ang problema ay hindi kawalan ng condom kundi ng personal responsibility.
    Totoo kaya na hindi siya nagcontraceptive dahil sa dogma?  Hindi kapanipaniwala. 
    Agence France Presse ang sumulat ng istorya, kilalang against sa Catholic Church

    • Twister12

      kawalan ng access sa contraceptives dahil walang pambili at kakulangan ng edukasyon. ano sa palagay mo ginagawa ng mga mayayaman at konti lang ang mga anak nag aabstain?

  • jinx

    “I tell women now, please do not be like me. I have too many children, and sometimes I do not know what to do and just cry, especially when they fight,” Cabenan said.

    So true….  But please, let this message also be addressed to those jerky husbands who don’t know the meaning of responsibility and accountability.  Use contraceptives to be able to live a good, and simple life.  I’ve been through it and my wife is still as beautiful as the sunrise.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

    Question: Cabenan her  22 children should be a cause for celebration and not regret. Ans: for the bishops and priest Yes bec. nauuto nila pero ang tanong natutulungan ba nila pag kumakalam na sikmura ng mga bata..SHAME ON YOU. They said Children are never a liability sa kanila pero sa mga magulang walang maipakain…In fact, in the provinces, the more children you have, the more it is considered a gift,” said Serve Life spokesperson Anthony Lanicao.sirang ulo ka talaga ikaw hindi naramdaman kumakalam sikmura dahil nagpapasarap kayo sa mga aboloy or present gift sa simbahan saan nyo dinadala mga prutas inaalay tuwing may simba…sa inyong sikmura the church said go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by, 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BXBYZ5EB467UVJRXK4IOM5BX4Y Todd

    A simple solution to all of this is this. Don’t have kids you can’t afford. And convert to Protestantism. That would take care of the problem I assume. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    Most couples who have number of children beyond their capacity are people from the poverty level. It does’nt have anything to do with being Catholic. Catholics with proper school education does’nt have children beyond their capacity. RH BILL will not solve the issues being raised bout the population, EDUCATION will. NOT Crash course RH BILL education, but proper school education. No matter how many condoms you distribute to these people in Smokey Mountain, they will never use it. Bcoz their logic ? More children means more people taking care of them someday when they get old. Which is absurd.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    What will solve poverty is not Government Population control, give these people their right to EDUCATION and they will do SELF-FAMILY PLANNING themselves bcoz they will be able to think wisely. IF people are educated, they won’t even think of getting married at the age of 16 yrs old which normally happens in the slum areas since they don’t have any careers to think about or to prioritize before thinking of having children. 

    I say NO TO CORRUPTION and YES to GOVERNMENT MONEY being used instead for quality FREE EDUCATION ! Instead of using millions of government funds for government population control. USE the money for Education and the people will learn to self regulate themselves in the long term.

  • Baruk1

    IN REPLY TO RIVERHORSE:

    Now, you try to look at the mirror and examine yourself on your knowledge of the Bible.
     
    AS YOU SAID —  “Jesus perfected the law”. Will that mean … 1 or 2
     
    1.  We don’t need to follow the Ten Commandments.
     
    You now authorized us not to love our parents, to kill, to commit adultery, to steal, to lie, to covet, we can have many gods, we can make graven image, put the name of God in vain and no need to observe Sabbath to keep it holy.
     
    2.   We have to follow the law of love — follow the Ten except the Sabbath Law.
     
    You now authorized us to follow only 9 commandments. The Sabbath law is Jewish.
     
    IN THE BIBLE WE CAN FIND: (I don’t need to put the verses for those who know the bible like you)
     
    If you want to enter into life follow the commandment
    If you love me follow the commandments
    If you say you love Me and don’t follow the commandment you are a liar.
    The Ten commandments summed up into two Law of Love.
    And many more.
     
    Jesus Christ, the same yesterday today and forever.
    Jesus Christ gave the Ten Commandment’s to Moses.
    Jesus Christ follow and magnify the law. “I came here not to destroy the Law and the Prophets but to fulfil.”

    The Apostle follow the commandments:
    All those Christians in the Apostolic time follow the commandments.
    In the kingdom of God when Jesus Comeback as Lord of lords and King of kings every one will follow the commandments.
    If you are lucky to be in the First Resurrection you must follow the Ten Commandments
    In the Millennium it is a must to follow the Ten Commandments.
    In the World Tomorrow, the New heaven and the New Earth, the Ten Commandment is a must.

  • d2yan

    Sorry, but I found this story INCREDIBLE….
     
    The woman is aged 48 years now, that means she was born 1964 and got pregnant around 1978 (14 years old).  From what I know, FREE CONTRACEPTION and FAMILY PLANNING is already part of government service since Martial Law.  It was already AVAILABLE…bakit hindi sya nag avail ng libreng family planning and contraception?  May RH law na during that time!  Gusto nya lang 3 children pero naka 22 sila.  That’s 19 children EXTRA, all of them UNWANTED?  She SUFFERED thru  N-I-N-E-T-E-E-N  UNWANTED PREGNANCIES?
     
    Wala bang PAGKAKAMALI silang mag-asawa?  Hindi ba sila TINULUNGAN ng mga kamag-anak nila?  Hindi ba sila PINABAYAAN ng gobyerno?  Bakit Simbahan lang ang nasisi?
     
    Nasa AGE OF REASON daw tayo – Pinapadaan sa butas ng karayom ang utos ng Simbahan para mapaniwala tayo.  Pero this story, we EXCITEDLY accept as if GOSPEL OF TRUTH… ANECDOTAL ang story yet nasa HEADLINE pa!  Grabe talaga ang PR funds…

    • txtman

      ANG TANONG

      MAGKANO BINAYAD SA KANYA?

      ANO ANG MGA PINANGAKO SA KANYA?

      MAG-ANTAY LANG KAYO

      AT AAMIN DIN YAN

      NA GINAMIT

      LANG SIYA
      .

      DYAN NA MAN SILA MAGALING
      .
      .
       KUNG TOTOO SILANG PRO-FILIPINO

      PRO-MAHIRAP
      .
      .
       WHY NOT GIVE EXAMPLE

      NG MGA POLITIKO NA

      DATI NAGRARALLY SA KALYE NA PRO-POOR DAW

      PERO NGAYON EH SUPER YAMAN NA?
      .
      .
       WHY NOT SABIHIN MGA KAYAMAN STORY NG MGA POLITIKO?
      .
      .
       OH HINDI BA?

      ANDYAN YUNG DATING TAGA PAYONG NI MARCOS

      NA SUPER MILYONAIRE NA?

      DATING TAGA KATAY NG BABOY

      NA SUPER BILYONAIRE NA?

      DATING SUMISIGAW SA KALYE

      SUPER YAMAN NA?.

      SAAN NILA KINUHA ANG MGA PERA NILA?
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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    Another effect of population control is what is being experienced now in such asian cities as Singapore. There are more old people there now than young people, they lack a young workforce, which explains why they encouraged young foreigners to work in their country. 30 yrs from now, this country, Philippines will be inhabited by more foreigners than how it is now.

    • jinx

      Kaya pala ang ganda ng Singapore. Philippines pulubi dahil sa overpopulation, dagdag pa isa sa pinakamataas na birth rate sa buong mundo. Mas gusto ko na lang madami matatanda kesa sa mga batang mga walang trabaho,gutom, at kulang sa edukasyon. Yung analysis mo, kayabangan lang. Kagaya lang din sa analysis ng isang panot na columnista.

    • HoyGago

      Mas masarap atang problema yung sasabihin mo sa tao na mag-anak kayo kaysa sabihin mo sa tao na wag kayong mag-anak. I look forward to that day.

  • http://www.pulisnapogi.blogspot.com/ Pulis Na Pogi

    Asked to comment on the plight of Cabenan, one
    of the groups that filed a petition with Supreme Court said her 22
    children should be a cause for celebration and not regret.

    “Children are never a liability.

    In fact, in the provinces, the more
    children you have, the more it is considered a gift,” said Serve Life
    spokesperson Anthony Lanicao.

    Then send these 22 children to Anthony Lanicao for him to raise…
     

  • Baruk1

    IN REPLY TO RIVERHORSE:

    Sunday keeping came about as a result of a compromise between Mithraism and Christianity sought by the pagan emperor, Constantine, in 321 AD that Sunday would be a day of rest — a legal holiday (Frank Viola, in the Book Pagan Christianity).
     
    The cult of Mitra grew in prominence in the time of the Roman empire around the Time of Jesus Christ.(Religion of Babylonia and Assyria pp71-72). The old Babylonian sun-god is called Shamash. In the Roman time he was called by his Persian name, Mithra. 

    In the Bible:

    God said ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a SIGN between Me and you throughout your generations, THAT YOU MAY KNOW that I am the Lord who sanctifies you'” (Exodus 31:13).
     
    James, the brother of Jesus Christ, who became the presiding Apostle at Jerusalem, wrote, “For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, ‘Do not commit adultery,’ also said, ‘Do not murder.’ Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty” (James 2:10-12)

    • RiverHorse

      no wonder you’re confused. the main reason why sunday is being observed as the day of God in modern times is because of the resurrection not because of any compromise. like i said, it is not my problem if you’re mind cannot comprehend my comments. saying REPLY ON TOP is saying much about you and your lack of brain cells. so it’s either you bone up on logic or shut up.

      • Baruk1

        It will be more sensible if we discuss things about God if we use yardstick – The Bible, the mind of God in writing. To rely on the priest, the minister, the pastor  or your friend is a waste of time.
         
        Jesus Christ gave a signed that He is the Christ, the sign of Jonah “Three Days and Three Night in the belly of the fish. If you know the Bible you must know the story about that.
         
        WHERE IS YOUR THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHT to come out with what you are claiming that Jesus Christ resurrection is on Sunday. — Died Friday pm to Sunday early morning ?????
         
        The one who said that Sunday is Jesus Christ resurrection is a liar. Satan the Devil is liar from the beginning. A liar cannot reach the kingdom of God. The Bible say so.
         
        That Jesus with Sunday resurrection is a counterfeit Christ. Believe the Bible.

      • RiverHorse

        for once i agree wth you… satan is a liar. and i do believe you are aware that even satan quotes scripture, aren’t you?

      • Baruk1

        You don’t need to agree with me neither believe me. Believe yourself. Believe the Bible. Do what the Berean did. Open up the scripture and check if it was so. Do yourself a favor. Get your Bible and read it please. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Get Wisdom, get understanding.
         
        Even Satan believe. Satan, the God of this evil world is deceiving many.
         
        Try to learn the “Truth”. The truth can make you free.
         
        Work out your own salvation. Make a goal to be in the First Resurrection. To be with Jesus Christ when He come back. Watch and pray.

      • RiverHorse

        and there lies the problem. you ASSUME that catholics do not read and study the bible. maybe a lot don’t but not all and definitely i am not one of them. and you know what is said about when you assume – it makes an A$$ of you but NOT M-E. like most christians, i believe in the Bible and on Christ’s teaching of love. what i DO NOT BELIEVE in is you and your cult’s literal interpretation of the Bible. for once, you do not take into consideration the culture, history,pyschology and sociology of both the people and the period when scripture was written and you rely too much on how your supposedly “learned” bible scholars interpret the bible. why, your scholars did not even have a chance to study the original hebrew and greek texts which are in the vatican and they claim to be learned? and who taught these scholars of yours to begin with? do not tell me it’s the same Holy Spirit. that’s a lot of hog-wash if you ask me.

      • Baruk1

        Paki basa ang reply sa itaas

      • RiverHorse

        and you should try to understand what is being said to you not just read.

      • Baruk1

        Try to prove yourself the resurrection of Jesus Christ on Sunday. Don’t just listen to what they told you. They deceived you. They are liar.

      • RiverHorse

        don’t you use common sense or even simple logic? if friday is the first day then the third day is sunday, genius! a grade school pupil would know how to count that.

      • Baruk1

        Nahandiyan ang problema. 

        Ang sabi ni Jesus Christ 3 days and 3 nights. Ang sabi sa iyo ni ministro, pastor o ng pari ay 3 days. 

        Day ay may araw at maliwanag, about 12 hrs. Night ay gabi, iyong madilim about another 12 hrs.  Sabi ni Jesus Christ — tatlong (3) maliwag (days) at tatlong madilim (nights). Humigit kumulang ay 72 hours. 

        Makinig tayo kay Jesus Christ. Huwag kung kanikanino lamang. Karamihan sa kanila sinungaling (liar)

      • RiverHorse

        ang laki ng problema mo teng. basahin mo kaya yung buong biblya para makita mo yung malaking sira sa ulo mo.

      • Baruk1

        A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart. Prov 18:2

        A fool’s mouth is his destruction, And his lips are the snare of his soul. Prov 18:7

        Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, Lest he be wise in his own eyes. Prov 26:4-5

      • RiverHorse

        you’re damned right in quoting that passage, FOOL! i challenged you to prove you’re not a  nut case. all you’re doing is PROVE ME CORRECT. you need professional help.

      • Baruk1

        I have been asking you to prove yourself — re your statement that Jesus Christ ressurection is on Sunday on a Biblical point of view.

        If you can prove it I can take you and your sibling up to 10 to the best restaurant of your choice close to your place. I am serious.

        If you cannot prove it, can you please tell your friend, your pastor, your minister, your priest or who ever told you that they are liar. Lying about the resurrection of Jesus Christ and deceiving many. Can you tell them too the sarcastic and humiliating words you posted re this issue.

      • RiverHorse

        count friday as day 1 and you would come up sunday as day 3. there is your proof – mathematics, genius!

      • Baruk1

        Padre

        3 days and 3 nights ang sabi ni Jesus Christ. Hindi 3 days.

        “”For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'” (Matthew 12:38–40).

        Paki review lang ang Arithmetic. You don’t need to be a mathematic genius to get the answer.

        Let us believe Jesus Christ.

      • RiverHorse

        ok then, reconcile that verse with another verse – John 2:18-22, which states: ‘So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.’ ALONG WITH the accounts of the resurrection like John 20:1-2 “Now on the first day of the week (SUNDAY) Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that fthe stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, gthe one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”
        Mark 16:2–8 – 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. 3 And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away ythe stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—zit was very large. 5 And aentering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, bdressed in ca white robe, and dthey were alarmed. 6 And he said to them, d“Do
        not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has
        risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter that ehe is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, ejust as he told you.” 8 And
        they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment
        had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

        or are these too much for you to comprehend? buffoon!

      • Baruk1

        REPLY GIVEN ON YOUR OTHER POST

      • RiverHorse

        from now on, pag aralan mo yung BUONG BIBLE, nde yung pinipili mo lang kung ano convenient para sa iyo PARA NDE KA NAPAPAHIYA! UGOK!

      • RiverHorse

        ok
        then, reconcile that verse with another verse – John 2:18-22, which
        states: ‘So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing
        these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and IN THREE
        DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six
        years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But
        he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was
        raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this,
        and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.’
        ALONG WITH the accounts of the resurrection like John 20:1-2 “Now on the
        first day of the week (SUNDAY) Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early,
        while it was still dark, and saw that fthe stone had been taken away
        from the tomb. 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other
        disciple, gthe one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken
        the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”
        Mark
        16:2–8 – 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun
        had risen, they went to the tomb. 3 And they were saying to one another,
        “Who will roll away ythe stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?”
        4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—zit was
        very large. 5 And aentering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on
        the right side, bdressed in ca white robe, and dthey were alarmed. 6 And
        he said to them, d“Do
        not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has
        risen;
        he is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his
        disciples and Peter that ehe is going before you to Galilee. There you
        will see him, ejust as he told you.” 8 And
        they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment
        had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

        or are these too much for you to comprehend? buffoon!

      • Baruk1

        God is not the author of confusion Satan, the devil is.

        Jesus Christ said 3 days and 3 night  — 3 whole days. No conflict with John 2:18-22 — three days.

        John 20:1-2 &16:2–8 – 2 — Jesus Christ was not there. He was already risen. It does not say when but for sure before they arrived. Before Sunday morning — Right?
        Let us discuss this serious matter in a more gentle manner please.

        Please read additional comments on top re:sequence of events.

      • RiverHorse

        you’re off your rocker talaga. i do not plan to discuss religion with a certified nut case. bye.

      • Baruk1

        More reply on top:

        Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice to the Lord and took vows. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. . (Jonah 1:16)

        AND JONAH WAS IN THE BELLY OF THE FISH THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS. . (Jonah 1:17)

        Once again : THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

      • Baruk1

        I challenge you to prove your statement re Resurrection of Jesus Christ on Sunday on a Biblical perspective.

      • RiverHorse

        prove you’re not crazy and delusional.

      • Baruk1

        For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'” (Matthew 12:38–40).

        Any kindergarden on the street that can understand English can understand Jesus Christ. 3 days 3 night means around 72 hours.

        Try to ask the psycho they might understand what Jesus Christ meant.

      • RiverHorse

        and you believe that tale about jonah actually happened? that’s why i challenge you to prove you’re not suffering from narcissistic personality disorder (i.e. crazy and delusional).

      • Baruk1

        Jesus Christ Himself is quoting the Scripture and saying something about Jonah and you don’t believe Him. I don’t know what I have to say.

        Please let us be gentle on our posting

      • RiverHorse

        i believe Christ quoted scripture. if you really know your bible, psychology, sociology and history, the jonah account with the whale did not happen. Christ quoted the account the account of jonah to prove a point. again, reconcile what Christ said about being like jonah with what he said about rebuilding the temple in three days and the resurrection accounts which mention that on the morning of the first day of the week (Sunday), Christ’s body was no longer in the tomb (resurrected). you have not convincingly reconciled these as you are challenged. quit avoiding the topic.

      • RiverHorse

        ok
        then, reconcile that verse with another verse – John 2:18-22, which
        states: ‘So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing
        these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and IN THREE
        DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six
        years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But
        he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was
        raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this,
        and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.’
        ALONG WITH the accounts of the resurrection like John 20:1-2 “Now on the
        first day of the week (SUNDAY) Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early,
        while it was still dark, and saw that fthe stone had been taken away
        from the tomb. 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other
        disciple, gthe one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken
        the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.”
        Mark
        16:2–8 – 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun
        had risen, they went to the tomb. 3 And they were saying to one another,
        “Who will roll away ythe stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?”
        4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—zit was
        very large. 5 And aentering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on
        the right side, bdressed in ca white robe, and dthey were alarmed. 6 And
        he said to them, d“Donot be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen;
        he is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his
        disciples and Peter that ehe is going before you to Galilee. There you
        will see him, ejust as he told you.” 8 And
        they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment
        had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

        or are these too much for you to comprehend? buffoon!

      • Baruk1

        God is not the author of confusion. Satan, the devil is.

        Jesus Christ said 3 days and 3 night  — 3 whole days. No conflict with John 2:18-22 — three days.

        John 20:1-2 &16:2–8 – 2 — Jesus Christ was not there. He was already risen. It does not say when but for sure before they arrived. Before Sunday morning — Right?

        Let us discuss this serious matter in a more gentle manner please.

        Addition reply on  top

      • RiverHorse

        and you’re confusing yourself so you must be the work of the devil.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        need any help  satan shall return to earth in many disguises and preform miracles to mislead the people. how does one which miracle is satans or gods

      • Baruk1

        Please read my reply on top

      • Baruk1

        I challenge you to prove yourself re your statement that Jesus Christ Resurrection is on Sunday using the Bible of your choice.

      • RiverHorse

        now, i challenge you to prove you’re not suffering from narcissistic personality disorder.

      • Baruk1

        The only sign in the Bible that Jesus Christ is the messiah.

        “”For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'” (Matthew 12:38–40).

        Jesus Christ said 3 days and 3 nights. Day is when the cloud is clear and you can see the sun. Night is when there is no sun and it is dark either there is cloud or none.

        Day is about 12 hrs and night is about another 12 hrs. Defend on the season, day may be longer than night or vise versa but the whole day, day and night is about 24 hours. 3 days and 3 nights is 36 hrs plus another 36 hrs equals 72 hrs (almost). Simple arithmetic (grade school math)

        Some one told you 3 days (Fri, Sat, Sun day). You just listen and believed because you are familiar with him or her. You don’t check it in the Bible. Most of them are liar. Deceiving many like the god of this evil world.

        Just to justify the Sunday as Lord’s day, those liars will try to do every thing. They don’t want to follow the Sabbath law, to honor the real God on the Seventh Day. They rather choose to honor their god on sun day, day of the sun god and Dec 25 as birthday of their god to go with the pagan’s practices.

        Jesus Christ died on the cross for telling the truth. I don’t expect from a respected man to suspect and call me such a thing for following Him and telling the truth as well.

        I hope I made my point clear my friend.

        Let us believe Jesus Christ. He is the only one who has no sin.

      • RiverHorse

        hey, for your information, Matthew 12:38–40 is NOT THE ENTIRE BIBLE. if your faith lies solely on that passage YOU REALLY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM in the head. i already gave you some as reply to your other comments for your appreciation (at least three BIBLE passages) referring to the resurrection as being on the first day of the week (SUNDAY). believe it or not, you’re the one deceived. again, i challenge you to prove you are not suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. go ahead. you do not need to study the bible to prove you do not have NPD.

      • Baruk1

        I prepare to discuss Bible matters in a gentle manner. I hope you can.
         
        Yes you did post verses.
         
        Matt 12:38-40 — Jesus Christ said 3 days and 3 nights, 3 whole days. About the temple — it says 3 days. NO CONFLICT on 3 whole days.
         
        The other verses is about going to the tomb on early morning. Jesus Christ was not there when they arrived. He has risen BEFORE Mary Magdalene came on Sunday morning that is for sure.

        Please see additional reply on top to check the 3 days 3 nights sequence.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      james also called james the just was the leader of the first christian church the jewish christian church. he was also put on the cross because he was jesus brother

      • Baruk1

        All the original Apostles died with a horrible death except John. It is not much to received humiliation for telling the “Truth” compared to what they got.

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    • txtman

      ITO ANG SABI NG MGA ULAP

      ANG KALUSUGAN MO AY

      AY MAIHAHANTULAD SA ISANG GALAW NG ISANG PUNO

      ASAL NA PARANG BABOY

      MAMUMUHAY NA PARANG PANIKI

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      I PITY YOU

    • philip hernaez

      sobrang matabil ang bibig mo…wala sa lugar kung magsalita.

  • txtman

    ANG PHILIPPINE DAILY INQUIRER

    VERY BIASED

    PAG-NA INVOLVED

    MGA FRIENDS OR MGA KAMAG-ANAK NILA

    TAHIMIK LANG SILA
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    PITIFUL

  • boybakal

    RH law takes effect; too late for mother of 22

    Ito ay pagpapatunay na ang Pnoy ay malusog ang semilya kahit kanin at patis lang ang ulam.
    Bukod pa diyan na Normal ang mga anak.
    Gutom nga lang paminsan minsan ang inaabot pero masaya naman at nakatawa.

    Unlike ibang lahi gaya ng puti, marami ang kulang sa chromosomes kaya maraming abnormal.
    So, di pa huli kay Aling Rosalie na gawin 24 ang anak.
    Baka  malagay pa siya sa Guiness book of world record sa paramihan ng anak….talo pa niya ang baboy sa dami ng anak.

    Good luck Aling Rosalie, wag gagamit ng birth control, baka maging abnormal pa ang anak.
    Sabi nga…ang anak ang pinakamagandan regalo sa buhay dahil bigay ng Diyos.

    • Twister12

      Owws. Bibilib ako sau kung gayahin mo muna si Aling Rosalie otherwise talk is cheap.

  • Jianne Garcia

    Going by the Church’s logic of “go forth and multiply”, I think what they want is for every woman in the Philippines so go through what Rosalie Cabenan has been.

    Pffft, I’m definitely losing my respect for the Church. Don’t get me wrong, I still believe in God but I don’t like how the Catholic Church is turning into a world of hypocrites. 

    • just_anotherperson

      Perhaps you do not know that the Catholic Church also teaches responsible parenthood.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

    sex education for the poor is 10 people living in a one room shack and eight of them are watching and hearing mom and dad having sex 

    • just_anotherperson

      You are saying that the poor has no sense of decency.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        you are putting words in my mouth. i live among the poor and respect them but its a fact of live. i know one girl who told a friend of mine she wanted to lose her virginity because she heard her parents having sex and it sounded like they enjoyed. my wife was one of the poor where 8 lived in a one room shack and they could everything that was going on. there is no secrets.but on the whole they have  more decency than a lot of rich snobs i know

      • just_anotherperson

        You can write in english exactly what want to say. But of course, it would not help your advocacy if you bother with correctness.

        The truth is only a small minority of the poor parents would do the thing you say.  And those who do that have lost their self-respect before they lost their sense of decency. Help those fathers get decent jobs and they will regain their self-respect.

        Do not blame the lack of contraceptives for the people’s loss of self respect.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        what the hell are you talking about. did i say anything about contraceptives. help fathers find jobs where the unemployment is 24 percent and are you saying my wife and here family have lost their seft respect.and decency.. i think you should examine yourself for self repect. but since you brought it up i think contraceptives are one of the best things made. show one country in this world that someone has been arrested for murder for using the pill.i  know you have attacked me because you you need to start arguements. hows this stick it where the sun dont shine because you arent going to bait me tata

      • just_anotherperson

        Am I wrong to assume that comments in this article are not related to the RH Law and contraceptives?

        Only parents who do it in the same room where their children are have lost their self respect and decency. Did I say your wife is included?

        My point is that government should focus on job creation instead of RH. If unemployment is high, it is all the more reason to focus on job creation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        you missed the point they only have one room period  they eat sleep do everything in one room. i suppose they could go outside like animals.most people live in a house that is the size of a bathroom

      • jinx

        You may not take that guy seriously. He’s just so high with his religious beliefs he refuses to see reality on the ground.  You actually know the situation of the poor folks in the Philippines, and much better than many of us. This guy, justanotherperson, is just among those Filipinos who look at life as a soap opera, like those feel-good teleseryes on TV. They love to show their concern to the poor, but really they’re not helping them. They are instead pulling the poor down into the quagmire by encouraging them to procreate beyond their means, to make babies and let some god do the rest. I and my wife have two kids because we use contraceptives, and life is very much OK. Our neighbors got a lot of children, the father is always drunk, there’s always fight in the house. It’s like some hell over there.  But these nuts, like justanotherperson, would tell us to be discipline, use the natural method.  Hahaha, natural method isn’t it funny? That’s only for people like him, for people who are not humans.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        thanks jink i know i  have run into his kind before the kind that if a priest was raping their child they would hold his clothes for him. my first wife and my daughters took the pill no problems. the best thing i ever did was get a vasectomy told a lot of pressure off. i suppose im a murderer because my little tadpoles are dead.i have all over the mountains here and it is a sad sight. so many young girls pregeant. and lives ruined. we have a name for people who use the natural method. its called parents.i live in a fishing village but theres no more fish. the industry has been destroyed. they have to  import fish from somewhere else. in the mts the soil is used where the veggies are grown everything is about third size. thanks again

      • just_anotherperson

        Hahaha.  Like children are the cause of misery and not personal irresponsibility.

  • henri_see

    “while post-abortion medical care has been made legal for the first time”

    this is a lie. post abortion medical care has always been legal. it’s called the Hippocratic Oath.

  • Baruk1

    IN REPLY TO RIVERHORSE;
     
    I don’t assume anything like that. What I am trying to emphasize to you is let us find the “Truth”, the Truth that can make us free. Your statement is “”Resurrection of Jesus Christ on Sunday””. I am asking you to prove it. I don’t have a cult as you call it let us prove it from the Bible.
     
    That Sunday as Lord’s day observance has bearing on the coming back of Jesus Christ  as Lord of Lord and King of Kings. It is very important in the coming Kingdom of God, the Gospel that Jesus Christ preached (Mark 1:14-15).
     
    Here are the verses in the Bible. Now prove to me that I’m wrong.
     
    “Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, ‘Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.’ But He answered and said to them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'” (Matthew 12:38–40).
     
    There you have it! The only sign Jesus offered to the skeptical religious leaders of His day was that He would spend exactly three days and three nights in the tomb Notice the testimony of an angel, spoken to the women who came early Sunday morning to embalm the body. “He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay” (Matthew 28:6). Jesus had promised that He would be exactly three days and three nights in the tomb and He rose just exactly as He said He would.
     
    “”WHERE IS YOUR SUNDAY RESURRECTION””
     
    “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God” (Luke 4:4).

    • RiverHorse

      go back to school, will you? elementary would sound nice. i already provided you proof it’s up to your understanding if you can fathom it.

      • Baruk1

        A bad tree cannot bear good fruit neither a good tree bear bad fruits

      • RiverHorse

        you’re damned right about that. i mean, LOOK AT YOU! you challenged me to prove that jesus rose on a sunday and did you believe it even if my proofs came from the Bible itself???

    • RiverHorse

      haven’t you been reading the ENTIRE BIBLE or at least paying attention to the passages i quoted here? you’re a damned fool if you weren’t.

  • Baruk1

    In Reply to Daniel Nielsen:
     
    “”how does one which miracle is satans or gods””
     
     
    Satan is here right now deceiving the world. A concrete example is about Sabbath Law. For my months of involvement in Diqus comments/discussion no one ever reply, agree and believed the importance of Sabbath on the 7th day of the week to honor the Real God of the Bible as commanded, except you and you alone.
     
    Are you talking about the powerful charismatic leader who can bring down fire from heaven on the earth on the sight of men (Rev 13:13)? That is the False Prophet. He will perform miracle that most so called “Christians” especially the Sunday keeper will believe him and go with him. With the influence of the Beast’s political power implementing the Mark of the Beast they will go together as combined forces. Of course that is with the cunning influence of Satan, the Devil, the liar from the beginning. These combined forces will fight the coming of Jesus Christ from heaven with His Saints. You know who will win!
     
    As to the difference of the performance of the miracle, hardly we can easily see it. Those with the mark of the beast will believe that the False Prophet is the god they are waiting for and Jesus Christ is the alien that need to fight against.
     
    We must have a good understanding of the events and the plan of God to know which of the combined forced we need to go with. The Mark of the Beast is a big factor as mentioned in Revelation. The Sunday keeper has a very big part in the Mark of the Beast
     
    To know the truth — we start learning the Gospel of the Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ preached. The Sermon of the Mount and the Book of Revelation will help much. Then try to go deeper in our study of the “Truth”
     
    We have only limited space to discus details of the subject. You have my email address and if you want I can elaborate those things.

  • Baruk1

    IN REPLY TO REVERHORSE :
     
    I prepare to discuss Bible matters in a gentle manner. I hope you can.
     
    The reckoning of days during Jesus Christ time is Sunset to Sunset.
     
    Jesus Christ died on Wednesday before Sunset. A preparation day.
     
    Thursday then is the First Day of Unleaven Bread, one of the seven annual Sabbath for God’s people. That is the reason why they want to bury Jesus Christ before Sunset on Wednesday.
     
    Friday is not a holiday. Mary and the others buy things for preparation to embalm Jesus Christ. They have no time on Wednesday and Thursday is a holiday.
     
    Saturday is a Weekly Sabbath. The people of God cannot do any work on that day.
     
    Sunday, Mary Magdalene and others went to the tomb but they don’t see Jesus Christ. For sure they cannot see Him because He already risen on Saturday, to prove that He is the Christ, the messiah, the saviour. — Three days and three nights, Jesus Christ say so.  No conflict. No confusion.
     
    Let us believe Jesus Christ. He never tell a lie

    • RiverHorse

      in a gentle manner, huh? you accuse REAL BIBLE SCHOLARS of being liars and you were proven wrong but still insist on your erroneous teachings CHARLATAN and you have the GALL to say that you are using a gentle manner? get your head out of your damned @ss.

      • Baruk1

        More reply on top:

        Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice to the Lord and took vows. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. . (Jonah 1:16)
         
        AND JONAH WAS IN THE BELLY OF THE FISH THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS. . (Jonah 1:17)  

        Once again : THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

      • RiverHorse

        oh really, that does mean you could not rise to my challenge that you are not crazy?

  • Baruk1

    REPLY TO RIVERHORSE:
     
    You said:
     
    – – – “”the jonah account with the whale did not happen””.
     
     I really don’t know what Bible you are using.
     
    I.   Jesus Christ said:
     
    “Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, ‘Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.’ But He answered and said to them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE GREAT FISH, SO WILL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS IN THE HEARTH OF THE EARTH'” (Matthew 12:38–40).
     
    Here is the verses that Jesus Christ is talking about 3 days and 3 nights. If you cannot believe Jesus Christ Himself when He quote this verse, I think you are right. I might be in the wrong company to discuss the “Truth” about the Real God, Jesus Christ of the Bible, the saviour of mankind, the only one who has no sin, is not a liar and is coming back to establish the Kingdom of God, the Gospel that He preached (Mark 1:14-15); and(Rev)
     
    2.   From the Book of Jonah (Old Testament).
     
    Take note: -Jesus Christ cannot tell the verses because there was no verses in the Scripture that Jesus Christ is using at the time:
     
    Now the word of the Lord came to Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry out against it; for their wickedness has come up before Me.” But Jonah arose to flee to Tarshish from the presence of the Lord. He went down to Joppa, and found a ship going to Tarshish; so he paid the fare, and went down into it, to go with them to Tarshish from the presence of the Lord. (Jonah 1:1-3)
     
    Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice to the Lord and took vows. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. . (Jonah 1:16)
     
    AND JONAH WAS IN THE BELLY OF THE FISH THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS. . (Jonah 1:17)  
     
    Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the fish’s belly. And he said: “I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction, And He answered me. “Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice. (Jonah 2:1-2)
     
    Please read the whole Book of Jonah. That might help in understanding what Jesus Christ is saying.
     
    THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I REALLY APPRECIATE DISCUSSING THE “THRUTH” TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU. UNFORTUNATELY I NEED TO USE MY TIME ON SOME OTHER MATTERS. ONCE AGAIN I THANK YOU.
     
    WITH LOVE

    • RiverHorse

      then you do not know your BIBLE, fool!



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