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Aquino doubts Quezon encounter was a shootout, cites inconsistencies

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President Aquino on Wednesday voiced doubts that the clash between government security forces and an alleged criminal gang in Atimonan town, Quezon province, in which 13 people were killed on Sunday, was a shootout.

Mr. Aquino said he found inconsistencies in the initial police report on the clash that happened at an alleged security checkpoint in a sparsely populated stretch of Maharlika Highway in Atimonan.

The President said that because of those inconsistencies, he ordered the National Bureau of Investigation to investigate the alleged shootout. The Palace said the NBI was the designated sole investigator.

Philippine National Police Director General Alan Purisima on Wednesday ordered the suspension of the Quezon police chief, Senior Supt. Valeriano de Leon, and Supt. Hansel Marantan, the leader of the police team at the Atimonan checkpoint who police said was hit in the hands and foot in the exchange of gunfire with the alleged criminals.

Interior Secretary Manuel Roxas said Marantan’s team violated procedures and Marantan may be facing administrative sanctions.

President Aquino promised that “there will be justice” for the families of those who were killed.

Violations of procedures

Roxas said the initial PNP investigation found that 16 of the policemen at the checkpoint were not in uniform, a violation of checkpoint procedures.

He said that while uniformed officers were stationed 500 meters from the checkpoint, the checkpoint itself was not marked with police signs.

There also was no police vehicle at the checkpoint, Roxas said.

He said the checkpoint was manned by 16 policemen and 25 Army soldiers led by Lt. Col. Monico Abang. All the soldiers were in military camouflage.

Roxas said 13 of the 14 firearms recovered from the slain men were registered but only seven of the owners had permits to carry.

He said he met with President Aquino on Tuesday and they discussed an independent investigation of the alleged shootout by the Department of Justice and the NBI.

Too early for conclusions

 

Mr. Aquino said that despite his doubts, he believed it was too early for him to draw conclusions, because he might be misinterpreted as trying to influence the direction of the investigation.

“There will be justice. But as to where [the investigation] will lead to, I cannot tell,” Mr. Aquino said.

“Some of those who died were supposed to be involved in illegal activities, isn’t it? They were with members of law enforcement agencies and authorities [so] perhaps associations [must] be explained,” he said.

Philippine Daily Inquirer sources in the PNP said rivalry for turf between two syndicates involved in the numbers racket “jueteng” led to the alleged shootout, which was actually an ambush intended by one group protected by police to get rid of competition from the other.

Antijueteng crusaders said the alleged shootout was only the beginning of a potentially big scandal.

“When jueteng kills, it kills quietly,” said retired Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz, leader of Krusada ng Bayan Laban sa Jueteng. “But this one is so scandalous” and “this was not wholly illegal gambling. It [also] has political content.”

Jueteng angle

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima on Wednesday said the NBI investigation would look into the jueteng angle.

“We don’t think we can just really focus on whether it’s a shootout or a rubout,” De Lima told reporters. “It cannot be avoided because you have to answer the question of what was that operation all about.”

President Aquino noted that 13 were killed on the side of the group that the police in Quezon reported as guns for hire.

“[T]he use of deadly force is authorized only in self-defense or defense of others,” Mr. Aquino said, adding that the NBI investigation would include establishing whether the security forces used excessive force on the alleged criminals.

PNP’s probe limited

 

The PNP’s investigation will be limited to the examination of the firearms used and the vehicles that figured in the clash, presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said.

President Aquino made it clear that he still trusted the PNP, but since the police could not investigate themselves, he ordered the NBI to carry out the investigation.

“There is no [question] of trust [involved],” Mr. Aquino said. “The PNP is competent to investigate, but there are those who say, ‘Why will you let those being investigated to conduct an investigation of themselves?” he said.

“So to preclude any bias, favoritism, factionalism, etc., let’s tap [a body] that will be [seen as a] much clearer independent agency,” he said.

The President also shielded Purisima from criticism, asking critics to allow him to “warm his [seat] first.”

“He has actually been very proactive. The PNP chief has not been in office for about a month or so. And, of course, his focus has to be on the preparations for the elections, among other things,” Mr. Aquino said.

The clash

The Quezon police reported that police and Army Special Forces set up the checkpoint after the police had been tipped off that members of a criminal syndicate would pass through Atimonan on Sunday.

Three SUVs came but when the security forces flagged them down, the occupants of the vehicles rolled down their windows and opened fire, hitting Marantan on the hands and foot and prompting the authorities to return fire.

The policemen and soldiers raked the first two SUVs with gunfire. The third SUV turned back and fled.

Eleven of the alleged criminals died on the spot. Two died on the way to the hospital, the Quezon police said.

De Lima said the NBI would look into what exactly was the tip received by the police, who gave the clearance for the operation, whether the alleged criminals were indeed guns for hire.

The NBI’s objective, De Lima said, is to find out what really happened in Atimonan on Sunday.

De Lima said she was glad that Purisima had suspended De Leon and Marantan. The suspension would give the NBI “easy access” to the officers involved, she said.

Also relieved were Supt. Ramon Balauag, Quezon police intelligence chief; Chief Insp. Grant Gollod, Atimonan police chief; and 14 police intelligence agents.

Marantan was relieved as deputy intelligence chief of the Calabarzon (Calamba, Laguna, Batangas, Aurora and Quezon) police.

Quezon police chief De Leon accepted his relief, but insisted he was not at the scene of Sunday’s alleged shootout.

No sacred cows

 

“I’m duty-bound to follow the order. I accept that,” De Leon told the Inquirer by phone.

But he added: “I was not there. I was not involved. There should be justice for all.”

The NBI promised the investigation would spare no one.

“There will be no sacred cows,” said Virgilio Mendez, NBI deputy director for regional operations services. “The investigation will go where it will take us.”

The investigation, involving at least six divisions, has begun, Mendez said.

A technical team and agents are now in Quezon gathering information, but have yet to arrive at a reason for the alleged shootout, he said.

Mendez said the investigation would retrace the steps of the group led by Senior Supt. Alfredo Perez Consemino to find the people it had contacted before it reached Atimonan and its end on Sunday.

Mendez said some of those killed would be autopsied anew on the request of relatives.

NBI medicolegal officers will handle the new autopsies to determine how the victims died.

Mendez said the NBI was not given a deadline to complete the investigation, but the bureau would work fast to “ferret out the truth.”

No comment on rivalry

 

“We will determine the truth behind this and I assure you that there will be no whitewash or cover-up,” Roxas told reporters.

Roxas and Purisima declined to comment on reports that rivalry for turf between two jueteng syndicates in Laguna and Batangas is behind the alleged shootout.

“We do not want to be speculating or concluding because the report of the fact-finding team is not yet finished. What we are saying now [is] based only on facts,” Purisima said.

Vic Siman’s group was carrying P5 million when it got into the alleged shootout, according to a daughter of Consemino.

Among those killed in the alleged shootout were Siman, who Inquirer police sources said was a known jueteng operator and “godfather” of small town lottery (STL) bookies in Southern Tagalog, and Consemino, acting group director of the PNP Regional Headquaters Support Group in Mimaropa (Mindoro, Marinduque, Romblon and Palawan) region.

Cristine Consemino, an accounting clerk at Siman’s Glendor Security Agency, told reporters at the NBI Wednesday that the money was intended for the bond that New Marc Agency needed to put up to get a security contract from Ayala Greenfields in Laguna province.

New Marc Agency is owned by one Ronnie Habitan and Siman and Consemino were “industrial partners” in the business, she said.

She said she had knowledge of the money because it was she who handled the paperwork for the contract.

She said her father traveled to Bicol on the invitation of Habitan, a mining operator in Camarines Norte province, to discuss the Ayala Greenfields contract. Siman’s group was to get the money for the bond, she added.

“My father’s trip to Bicol was legitimate. I’m calling on Mr. Ronnie Habitan to give a statement. Acknowledge that you invited my dad and the group of [Siman] to your house in Panganiban that weekend,” she said.

Public not being told all

Quezon Rep. Danilo Suarez on Wednesday called on the leadership of the House of Representatives to open an investigation into the alleged shootout, saying the clash was “alarming” and may have implications on public security during the campaign for midterm elections in May.

“Who can say that you are safe and will be protected now that those who are powerful are being killed?” Suarez said.

Suarez said he believed there was more to the story that what the public was being told. With reports from Leila Salaverria and Nancy C. Carvajal in Manila; and Delfin T. Mallari Jr. and Maricar Cinco, Inquirer Southern Luzon

Originally posted at 09:03 pm | Wednesday, January 09, 2012


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  • TEAM PNOY

    After reading this article, I feel that there seems to be a lack of full command and control from top down!

    • batangpaslit

      naka punto na naman si Gurl. matalino ka

  • Albert Einstien

    they should also INVESTIGATE the car with MALACAN PALACE sticker…how many times a month it visits the palace….. maybe the GODFATHER of these gambling lords is just a KKK in their NOSES….you can not just have a  COMPOSITE TEAM traveling with a gambling lord..connection must be high & almighty..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    I guess the President should be prudent enough not to release any statement pending the results of the investigations.

  • ben311

    lumang tugtugin na ito ! nagbubulagan pa kayo…busit !

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Monopoly/134038403339475 88Cindy

    Marami yata sa mga Pulis na namaril ay may mga kasong pending.
    Dapat siguro ay pinag-aaralan din ng PNP na isuspinde agad ang mga may kasong pulis lalo at matibay ang ebidensya. Etong mga dating presidente, kapag malakas ang kaso laban sa kanila ay ikinukulong agad, bakit ang mga akusadong pulis ay patuloy pa ring pinahahawak ng baril at sensitibong posisyon?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Pnoy says that because one of the victims was LP official and relative of Sec. Alcala.

  • Guest

    Ayaw ipagkatiwala ni Pnoy kay Sec. Roxas ang probe sa Atimonan massacre kasi alam nilang di magiging patas si Mar.

  • batangsulpok

    Ang problema sa mga checkpoint sa Pilipinas ay maaaring naglalagay lang ng isa o dalawang barricade sa kalsada kaya madaling makalagpas ang mga taong gustong lumusot.  Dito sa U.S., pag may checkpoint gaya ng paghuli ng mga nakainom o lasing, malayo pa lang ay may sign na,   may barricades sa magkabila na isang lane lang ang puwedeng daanan, maraming Pulis ang nakahilera kaya mahirap lumusot.

    • batangpaslit

      sa bandang amin, iyong pako para flat tire. kasi pag merong car chase or gun firing nadisgrasya ang mga inosente eh

  • bryant85

    I don’t know if Aquino is an idiot nor a moron when he expressed his doubts on the alleged shootout only again to infer that he be misinterpreted to influence the trajectory of the investigation. What a crap?  When Aquino said he doubted the alleged shootout per se, it’s already an imputation of rub out. If he doesn’t want to be misinterpreted, he should have said no comment or it’s too early to give my thoughts let’s wait for the outcome of the investigations lest I be taken out of context. But no, at random during an ambush interview he blurted that he has doubt so he unwittingly called the spade a spade, that engulfed him hook line and sinker.

    This true to life depiction of Aquino’s character forces me to believe that he has a dual personality disorder. Another issue to compound this perception arose from the issuance of the suspension order of Garcia of Cebu in which Aquino signed said order only to recall it when he was advised of a political backlash from the Cebuanos

    • rolandtr

      Backlash from Cebuanos on Garcia’s suspension? Which Cebu are you referring to? The majority of Cebuanos are happy Garcia is suspended after 9 years of Garcia impunity in Cebu!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

        man, just speak for yourself, huwag ka nang mandamay pa ng iba dahil sa akin wala akong pakialam ma-suspend man siya o hindi. maybe the ‘majority’ you were referring to are her politicals enemies which i’m sure are truly rejoicing.
        pa- impyu-impunity ka pa dyan. hilom diha.

    • simondj

      you are correct,,, me too i observed that. it must be yes to yes and no to no.

    • MDLANHAM

      Well, pareho tayo ng pagkaunawa sa mensahe ng news item na ito but ang tanong, did the writer get the president’s message correctly? Tsk tsk tsk, many times sunog ang comprehension ng mga news writer. It can happen.

    • batangpaslit

      valid observation

  • koolkid_inthehouse

    What about the relations between NBI & PNP any fraternity alliances, secret society and or brotherhoods?

    Should there be an independent civilian Special Investigation Unit to investigate when police are involve in any shootout.

    • MDLANHAM

       Let”s hope na credible ang findings ng NBI or else big black eye ito kay Sec De Lima.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GTVNMZR22PGMS55WQPIJTYB4IY Jaime

    Raise this one too, whatever happened to the third SUV!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

      figment of their imagination lang yun, kumbaga kasama sa script

      • batangpaslit

        sino kaya ang scriptwriter? siguro, malaki ang balato….hehehe

    • MDLANHAM

       Good point!!! Kapag di naipaliwanag iyan, palusot lang ito. Alangan naman na di makaenkwento noong unang checkpoint ang pabalik na SUV. Let’s see kung aanga anga ang NBI, Kita natin ang angulong ito.

  • zeroko

    No comment!

    • charlie_oscar

      easy for you to say! :)

  • superpilipinas

    It’s definitely not going to be the last. Remember the Paranaque shootout. Is it closed already?

    As PNoy had said….”Eradicating Jueteng is not a priority of his administration”.

    So if the police, armed forces, PMA graduates, and local governments are continuously being either victimized or corrupted by Jueteng, you have PNoy to congratulate.

    So is the cleanup of PNP and AFP about reform? Or is it about just purging Arroyo’s corrupt followers and replacing them with the current ones.

    FOI is also not a priority of PNoy. So you can read now about the finger pointing about money in Congress. 

    Is this what you expected when you voted in the last election?

    How are you going to vote in the next?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SAGKZON3CUMS2QVBSXOIK3KM64 J Mapagmahal

      I’m voting with my right hand next time, medyo pagod na kaliwang kamay ko eh.

  • Commentator

    These are waste of government resources. Instead of police and NBI going after criminals, now they are investigating each other. I think the PNP law that was created is not good because bad police are just transferred to another assignment not really fired and there are so many officers who are not really a help in crime prevention. 

  • superpilipinas

    NBI to exclusively do the investigation is just what I suggested in the last two days. Why is it that our leaders are too slow to decide on this? It should have been automatic. Common sense. Even a street sweeper knows this is best! Ateneo, UP, and Wharton grads need more time to think?

    O baka naman sinadya para ma-washing at walang makita ang NBI.

    PNP is still being allowed to probe? They should be absolutely stopped. What the heck?!

    To prevent this happening again, we really need a powerful and independent commission against corruption like Hongkong’s prestigious ICAC which is know to send to prison even the top law enforcement officials, legislators, and masterminds. Except that the head should not be an appointee of the president.

    • batangpaslit

      i seconded to that suggestion

  • User Guest

    no uniforms, no markings …. AMBUSH!!!! just plain murderers and thieves hiding behind badges!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EE5LMUQHMXD2Q3PBSSDKBMG7VI Rexy

      REMEMBER MAGINDANAO ?? IYONG HARANG NG MGA PINATAY?? SINO BA ANG INVOLVED DOON?? PARANG MERON YATANG MGA PULIS DIN. ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES.

  • Your_King

    How corrupt are the police and all the people involved in this shady yet tragic event. The fight against corruption seems to be focused on one person with all the other corrupt activities being ignored.

  • Nutting Moore

    Si Danilo Suarez nag-grandstanding na naman.. nagimbestiga na ang mga pulis.. nagiimbestiga na ang NBI.. pati CHR may imbestigasyon na rin na ginagawa, isasali mo pa ang House of Representatives?  Dapat gumawa na lang kayo ng batas para mabawasan ang kriminalidad lalo na sa distrito ni Suarez.  Sa distrito lang naman nya palaging may barilan at patayan not to mention road accidents!

    • batangpaslit

      Congressman Danny Suarez?
      Tanungin mo, Bro, ang ghost delivery na helicopter sa Air Force noon. Si Danny Suarez ang supplier, magsaliksik ka kung ilang rotary wings ang na deliver nia when he was paid in full for 14 units?

  • Magkanoka?

    Unfortunately, Mr. President,  your suspicion alone in the veracity of the PNP report is enough to influence the investigators to a certain conclusion.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      Mismo.  

    • Edward Castro

      kahit sinong matino pag iisip at walang agenda ay ganito ang magiging conclusion.  facts of the case na hinde sumunod sa protocol ng chekpoint ang grupo nato.  apparently, madalian ang pag setup kaya ang daming loose ends.  isang protocol lang sinunod nila ie “dead men tell no tales”..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

    Mga Pulis patola hindi na kayo natuto nag conduct kayo ng police check point di pa kayo nakauniform ano ba kayo NPA, wala pa kayong police mobile patrol hinarang along the road showing that check point is real…basic instinct yong nasa loob ng sasakyan mga goons or NPA humarang sa kanila….nakakahiya kayo wala kayong instict…or your real motive is to wipe out salvage them all..

  • disqusted0fu

    It is a lot scary what’s been happening in the streets of our country. The ones who are supposed to protect you, could be the ones to harm you. And the ones who are supposed to lead you, will be the ones to mislead you.

  • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

    Aquino doubts fatal Quezon encounter was a shootout.

    Aquino rules out possibility of Tito Peping link to Jueteng & Quezon rub-out.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

    Grabe.  Di naman dati ganyan kadugo ang Huweteng.  Dati may kooperasyon.  Sosyo sosyo mga bangka (Pineda, Bolok, etc).  

    • batangpaslit

      noon kasi, dipa billion ang kabig. malaki na ang PhP3 MILLION PESOS monthly sa Regional Commander.
      ngaon, ang PhP3 MILLION sa Municipal Town Chief of Police lang yata. paano ang Provincial Director, di, mas mataas pa, lalo na pag RD na ang hawak na position

  • liquiduser

    kung jueteng nga ito simple lang naman eh, kung walang tataya, walang magpapatakbo ng jueteng. dont limit the responsibility to those in government. lahat ng mga nagsusugal involved. subukan nyong itigil sa pagtaya sa jueteng kita nyo titigil mga yan.
    ang sugal talaga walang magandang naidudulot.

    • Edward Castro

      kramihan ng mga tumutaya sa jjueteng e katoliko a. bakit di mangaral ang mga bishops na masama ang tumutaya sa jueteng bukod pa sa illegal ito.  inaasa natin sa gobyerno pagsugpo ng jueteng. political will lang daw kailagangan. it will take more than political will to eradicate this.  

  • farmerpo

    “When jueteng kills, it kills quietly,” said retired Lingayen-Dagupan
    Archbishop Oscar Cruz, leader of Krusada ng Bayan Laban sa Jueteng. “But
    this one is so scandalous” and “this was not wholly illegal gambling.
    It [also] has political content.” 

    Bakit po ba pag jueteng ang topic, palaging me say si Archbishop? Siya ba e authoritative sa jueteng? Me inside info ba siya? Pinakikinggan ba siya? O KSP lang? Tanong lang po.

    Politic(o)s and jueteng have been in bed together since jueteng became big time, so what is the beef? It is so obvious it is not seen by those who don’t want to see and seeked by those who wants to share in the windfall. Reason for the violence? Men in uniform competing for the more lucrative position of chief secu… that’s it. Trabaho lang, alang personalan. Pera pera lang.  Chow…

    • batangpaslit

      tanong mo rin kay Archbishop bakit ano ba ang tinuturo nila sa mga parishioners at bakit karamihan sa mga nasabit ay parishioners ng simbahan nila?

      • josefe38

        USE YOUR STATISTICS AND PROBABILITY IF YOU HAVE IT. MORE THAN 80%  OF FILIPINOS ARE CATHOLICS, SO BY PROBABILITY IT ONLY NORMAL THAT MORE CATHOLICS WOULD INVOLVE IN ANY random HUMAN ACTIVITIES WHETHER LEGAL O ILLEGAL

    • josefe38

      ANO BANG PROBLEMA MO KAY BISHOP CRUZ? LEADER SYA NG ISANG GRUPO NA LABAN SA JUETENG, SA USAPING ITO SANGKOT AY JUETENG, KAPAGTATAKA BA NA KUHANAN SYA NG KANYANG OPINION? TAYO NGA NA MERON AT NAG GALING GALINGAN  NAKISAW-SAW NGA.

      KUNG WALA KANG TIWALA SA KANYA WAG MONG PAKINGGAN ANG KANYANG SINABI, SIMPLE AS THAT.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SAGKZON3CUMS2QVBSXOIK3KM64 J Mapagmahal

      seek  – no ; sought – yes. lol

      • farmerpo

         Salamat po, eagle eyes. hirap po tayo sa ingles.

  • joerizal

    I-monitor niyo yung mga pulis at sundalo na pumatay. Siguradong maglalahong parang bula yang mga yan pag nagkalinaw ang kaso laban sa kanila – ala Palparan. Hoy gising!!!

  • $37644997

    First of all,the so called check point is illegal and the mastermind of said check point had too many controversial issues.I suggest that all personnel involved at the check point shooting should be detained for further questioning.Marantan wounds are self inflicted.

  • batangpaslit

    i have nothing against the person of PNoy, his idiosyncracies warts and all
    but i find him wanting in his ways and decision making ability as President
    the content and form of his governmence is not so presidential
    operational details such as the shooting of robbers from various factions in the police command, one from the MIMAROPA faction and the other from the CALABARZON faction—why would the President pre-empt the outcome of the investigation?

    how i wish PNoy would focus on the nation’s economic reforms and structural reforms in the government service in order that the ills, which ails our old homeland would be corrected.

    the substance and style of his governnance is vindictive, not necessarily a lofty leadership to bring about the uplifting of the welfare of the greater number of Filipinos

    i am not saying that the evil undoing of previous government functionaries should be glossed over.
    what i am saying, is: the Presiden must attend to the more pressing and weightier matters other than giving out police statements that could be handled by his coterie of communictions staff, his DILG Secretary, or the Chief PNP

    dapat ang ginawa ni Presidente is to evaluate the performance of his official family. patalsikin ang mga non-performer Cabinet Secretaries, kesa meddle the investigation of the investigating agency

    • superpilipinas

      How you wish?

      He-he-he. PNoys priority are condoms (a.k.a. panakip butas).

      If he were a good president, FOI is already a law.

    • Mamang Pulis

      nadale mo!!

      parallel tau ng iniisip.

      kelangan ba nya mag micro manage ng mga ganyan? parang noong nasa DOTC si boy bwang–pati CR ng airport bibisitahin pa ni pnoy—ano pa silbi ni boy bawang?

      o baka–sinasalo nya ang image ni boy bawang roxas at malaking sampal sa kanya ang nangyari—

      isipin mo, pulis nya naunahan sya

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SAGKZON3CUMS2QVBSXOIK3KM64 J Mapagmahal

      You’re right batang paslit. I’m sure PNoy or any president would stop doing that as soon WE the Filipino people STOP asking the president to help US (ooohhh Mr. President tulungan nyo po kami) otherwise then he has to because we the MASANG Pilipino expect him to do so.

      Look at GMA she didn’t dare meddle in the Maguindanao Massacre investigation, didn’t condemn it or anything (silence is golden), smart move eyh, or baka ayaw madamay hehehe

      • okabato

         GMA didn’t dare meddle in the Maguindanao Massacre because her win against FPJ was credited to the Ampatuans, that’s how beholden she was to the Ampatuans.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Agreed.

      Perhaps this is his interpretation of a ‘hands on’ president. Meddling into everything where a cabinet/minister/secretary can handle.

      ‘…warts and all…’

      lol.

  • okabato

    This incident doesn’t need a rocket scientist to figure out what really happened. A tip (cellphone) was received by the ambushers that the victims were on their way to Bicol that’s why a hurriedly setup check point (no one was in uniform, all 15 policemen)was utilized and what followed after that is now a “mystery’ for the NBI to solve. 

  • doublecross

    it’s RUBOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • faithingabby

    “We do not want to be speculating or concluding because the report of the fact-finding team is not yet finished.”

    Good luck with that.

  • josefe38

    IN A PREVIOUS PRONOUNCEMENT, IT’S A LEGITIMATE OPERATION AND NOW DOUBTFUL OPERATION. EWAN KO BA SA IYO ABNOY!!!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TOXHGNYMNIUB5QVWCBTVQ7XOOU Jack

       Imperness kay Pres. Aquino, si Lacierda ang nagsabi agad na legitimate ang operation. Kaya nga sya na mismo ang nagsalita para kontrahin ang sinabi ng palpak nyang Press Secretary.

      • bahaykubo1015

        Palpak si Lacierda, lalo na ang amo!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    PNP must start recruiting policemen as their ranks will be depleted!

  • PCD_2012

    Here’s my suggestion regarding this issue!

    1.) The government must create an INDEPENDENT Checkpoint Operations Agency that will function as a monitoring body whenever the PNP & AFP have a legitimate operation.  The Agency will be dedicated only for checkpoint activities and nothing else. 

    2.) The agency must install one command center in every region and all of them are connected to a centralized system where the main branch is located in the NCR.

    3.) The agency has the power to compulsory send their personnel to personally see the operation.  And if the personnel on the ground are not following the rules and procedures then the agency has the power to terminate the operation to prevent unnecessary problems that it might cause in the end.

    4.) PNP & AFP must first submit all the details pertaining to their planned operations to the command center before they can conduct any checkpoints.  Any operations without the knowledge of this agency are automatically illegal and those personnel who conducted such activities will be subjected to administrative and criminal punishments.

    5.) PNP & AFP personnel must report the real-time situations on the ground, there must be a real-time updates of what are the actual happenings on the fields.  Everything must be recorded as it happens.

    6.) All police mobiles must be equipped with video cameras to capture the actual actions but it must be properly placed and secured.  The video will serve as vital evidence whenever there’s a doubt in the operation especially if someone cries foul as a result of the checkpoint.

     
    We badly needed this kind of agency as we can see the alarming incidents committed by no other than our own protectors!  

    To tell you honestly, whenever I’m passing a checkpoint especially at night I’m always praying that the personnel manning it are not CROOKS!  As we heard it frequently that many Police Officers had committed HULIDAPS, DISAPPEARANCES and RUBOUTS using checkpoints!   So for me Checkpoint is one of the most dangerous places in the country that you don’t want to be present more often! 

    If no one can think of a good suggestion like this from the PNP, DOJ, Congress, Senate or Malacanang then there’s something wrong with you guys!  Wake up and start BRAINSTORMING for Solutions!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      add:

      7. Have a representative of the public defendant’s office present, there to see to it that when someone is (harassed) caught, the proper rights are explained and seen followed.  Remember that all the people manning the CP’s are there to prove fault or guilt, and none to defend the rights of the accused.

      (hey, its a long shot, but when we’re dreaming, lets dream big.)

  • Mamang Pulis

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    rub out talaga yan…san ka nakakita ng barilan na walang namatay sa mga pulis gayung mga pulis din at sundalo ang ilan sa mga nasa loob ng 2 montero…..tapos hile-hilera ang mga bangkay ng 13 victims sa gilid ng kalsada…..alitan talaga sa jueteng yan, confirm na….

  • OleSapra aka ARGUS

    JUETENG GATE SCANDAL

    ANA: “Merong bulong-bulungan na more than P200 million daw ang dala-dalang jueteng money in-cold-cash ng 13 people na RUBOUT victims in 2 SUVs sa Quezon, ‘lamoba ‘yon?”

    LISA: “Hmm, posible nga. Hindi titiguking parang manok ang 13-people na nakalulan sa 2 SUVs kung P5 milyon lang ang umano’y dala-dala ng grupo, ayon sa anak na accountant ni Col Consemino, o, ‘di ba?”

    CION: “So, ang conclusion kung ganon eh TAO ang pumapatay sa TAO, hindi BARIL porke walang-utak ito. Bakit pumapatay? Kasi, ang tao eh GUTOM, GANID, HAYUK, GAHAMAN sa kuwarta at obese po, ‘di ba Oscar Cruz?”  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    This case will just be forgotten, as what happened to all those killing incidents in the past involving Marantan.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       some still in the courts. yung isa yata nasa SC pa.

  • aldhins

    Walang pinag kaiba sa Ambush pag tingnan mo yung  tama ng dalawang sasakyan kahit na may baril naka sakay doon anung laban sa mga long firearms nasa check-point  maganda ang pwesto gusto talaga nilang ubusin  walang matira para wala ng mag salita pa.

  • brunogiordano

    “Philippine Daily Inquirer sources in the PNP said rivalry for turf between two syndicates involved in the numbers racket “jueteng” led to the alleged shootout, which was actually an ambush intended by one group protected by police to get rid of competition from the other.”

    Speculation or Fact??????

    Ito ay dapat ma-verify kaagad ng hindi dumami ang hakahaka at iba pang speculation.

  • Rovingmoron

    Of all lawmakers, why would Rep. Suarez got into the picture? Does he have something to do with illegal gambling activities in Quezon province? Well, it’s a step in the right direction. But let the NBI finish first its thorough investigation on the alleged shootout. Otherwise, it would only make the Congressional hearing a publicity stunt and a waste of taxpayers’ money.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44QGTQXFYHNVPNMX453LWBPMXM Opel

    whats worse with gambling syndicates kiliing each other is that the member themselves are police and military personnel. The PNP’s credibility is soo low you “falling rock bottom” would be an understatement.  

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      reached rock bottom…then started digging pa.

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    Kung yung tinatawag ninyong Abnoy eh hindi naniniwala sa shootout story, sino pa maloloko ng mga tarantado.

  • kontra_boohaya

    Wala na pupuntahan neto kundi papogi points lang ng mga iba.  Pulis napatay pulis din at balibalita na may malaking halaga ng pera na daladala ng mga napaslang.  Kahit sino pa ang  ilagay na mag imbestiga kung PNP din ang nag prepare ng ebidensiya at crime scene prior to any agencies being involved e di wala din kundi the usual “probe, sack at kasohan” lip service. Pabayaan na lang natin na magubusan sila at matirang matibay! Total binobolan lang naman ng taongbayan mga yan.

  • wawa2172

    Dami nang investigation na nang yayari pero pag di nasolve in a week time, its a goodbye  and case to archive. Maratnan for example is facing a lot of cases for previous history of rubouts so bakit di ps suspendido. He was the PNP team leader at alam pala nuya na may kasamang nag demanda sa kaniya sa previous case na nasama sa montero riding victims. Dapat hinuli na lang ang mga sakay at hindi niratrat.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BGEXLIHIZFFENAK67D436QPP74 PBA

    nagbago ang direction ni Pnoy last time legitimate operation at shootout, ng lumabas na walang criminal records yung mga pulis at sundalong napatay at kamag-anak ng isang cabinet secretary at liberal party member ang isang napatay rubout na.

  • rjimenez1226

    President Aquino  hasto order the supension of Maratnan and the rest of the military involved in this. This is our version of  gangland execution so common in Mewxico perpetrated by corrupt police and miliatry elements coddling gambling and drug gang syndicates! Ubusin ang mga corrupt sa police at military! Si Suarez bantayan at
    ikulong!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JJQWTLMZH3NNIE2IJ46AOZAXAE Hannah Blake

    Logic dictates that it’s a RUBOUT!!

    FACTS:
    More than 40 policemen at the checkpoint and only one got hit on the leg?
    Not a single survivor?
    The position of the 2 Montero Sports vehicles did not indicate that the 2 vehicles were running away. You don’t shoot at policemen while your vehicle is parking. You do a shoot out while the vehicle is running away from the scene!
    The number of gunshot wounds are mostly at the back of the victims.
    Some of the dead do not have their clothes on!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T42Q37DX5BRWJ5NRYTBC2DXUAU Jols – batman Robin

    ang hirap ng trabaho ng mga pulis…………… kung gagawin mo ung trabaho mo may magagalit sayo…. kung hindi mo naman gawin ung trabaho mo may magagalit din sayo…….sana ung leadership n kapulisan suportahan din nila ung mga kabaro nila lalo n sa ganitong mga situation…kaya ung mga pulis ngayon hindi na ginagawaung trabaho nila dahil takot n babalik sa kanila ung kaso…..

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       “ang hirap ng trabaho ng mga pulis…………… kung gagawin mo ung
      trabaho mo may magagalit sayo…. kung hindi mo naman gawin ung trabaho
      mo may magagalit din sayo.”

      Actually, buhay sa gobyerno ganyan.

      And if you really think about it. Life, especially if you are career oriented, is like that.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JJQWTLMZH3NNIE2IJ46AOZAXAE Hannah Blake

      Kasi naman Jols masyadong questionable ang nangyayari. (Read my comments below). Don’t assume that kung may ka-engkwentrohan ang mga pulis ay ginagawa na nila trabaho nila ng tama. Madami dyan na ang purpose lang ay magkapera.

    • legnasagra

      Sana tama ka na ginampanan lang ng mga pulist ang kanilang trabaho. Tingin ko meron personal interest involved. Mukhang napakahalaga ng dala-dalang kargamento ng dalawang SUV kaya umupa pa sila ng mga security na mga pulis at sundalo. Yun maleta na pinakikita sa isang retratong kuha ng ABS-CBN ay maaring isa sa mga nagkakalaman ng napakahalagang bagay, sana di talaga ito nawawala.

  • elpobre

    Hehehe….takot ang media mag investigate, wala silang journo intel, puro din hawak ito sa leeg. Ano ang mapapala ng taong bayan sa media? basa-basa nalang kung ano ang gusto ng gobyernong paniwalaan nga taong bayan yon din ang susundin nitong mga poor quality journo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3UAABFPUE5ZKBXOAGLWL6POGWU joel genese

    Sino din kaya ang protector ni Marantan? Bagamat ang dami na niyang kinasasangkutan na pagpatay ay buhay pa din siya at na promote pa! 

    • elpobre

       Marantan is trigger happy police, meron nang mahigit kumulang apat napong (40) kinitil na kaluluwa ito, kasama na diyan ang Valle Verde boys, Alabang shoutout na kinamatay ng walang kamuwang-muwang ng mag ama, at mukhang natatakot narin si taning pag napunta ito sa kanyang lungga dahil baka pati sya ay mapurohan sa hobby nitong kaibigan ni Gretel.
      Ito namang si De lion este de leon, iwas pusoy at mala angel ang boses na nagsasabing nalungkot siya sa kanyang sinapit, na bagaman wala siya roon at pagkatapos nalang tumirada ng kanyang taohan, sinabi niyang 200k lang ang pera na nakita sa mga napatay, ngunit meron daw dala ang mga ito ng mahigit kumulang 100M ang 2 kilong gold,
      NBI, madaliin niyo na dahil hindi mapakali ang taong bayan sa ganitong sitwasyon, mag hire ng foreign investigator o di kaya ang human right UN investigator para malinis.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

    Is this an “encounter between the BAD vs the UGLY”…?

  • Markov Chain

    Journalists? Nung pumunta yang mga yan sa Japan nung tsunami e d nga nakatulong. Indonesian pa kinunan ng video at sinabing mga pinoy. Mga duwag ang ating mga journalist at marami sa kanila ay nasa payroll ng mga criminal para maglabas ng walang kwentang impormasyon. 100million, 30 million, 20 million at ngayon 5 million. Hahahaha. Parang lumiliit ang pera. Sino kaya ang binabayaran na mga opisyal nung 100 million.

  • 3Jomari3

    Too many talking heads, including PNoy. He should let the one agency in charge of the investigations do their job. PNoy should not prejudge the investigation unless he wants the investigators to mold the ‘facts’ according to his wishes or observation. He should let the NBI work for their money and not lead them to his own interpretations. In the mean time, those involved should be sequestered and interrogated separately. This is not a complicated case, we know who the shooters were, the identities of the victims, the firearms used, the vehicles, and the motive if indeed there was 100M PHP in the cars. There are victims who may just be in the car for the ride, nothing more.

  • Magsasaka

    this was how cosa nostra works, they kill their own

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q3QGG5QHBLRMZTIYWUFURY6J2E Night

      ang pnp pinaka malaking syndicato sa buong mundo hahahaha 

      grand mafioso

    • ever green

      as long as they kill their own, OK lang..the more the merrier…… huwag na mandamay ng innocentes

      • Magsasaka

        eh si robredo nga isang civilian na dinamay dahil anti-jueteng

  • tra6Gpeche

    And I thought that the good guys prevailed over the bad
    guys. This clash might be about bad guys against the bad guys after all. Amazing!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    The gun-toting president has a different view than the fast-talking “know-it-all” senator whose past brushes with law are suspect. Not a good idea to appoint him to the DILG post this July that he is eyeing at.
    Wow!
    Was it a good idea to replace the PNP chief whose main instruction is to prepare for possible violence during the election period?
    There is a need now to shift from “election period” to “tracking down criminal minds among the police ranks”.
    Purisima and Roxas must be having a lot of wake-up hours than sleep.
    Gun ban must be enforced for the entire remaining presidential term.
    But, then again, does P-Noy ever listen to good advice?

  • Garo Ungaro

    It appears that this was a premeditated shoot out ?…There’s a lot of unanswered questions?…What’s the role of the army 25 men led by a Lt. Col in the illegal check point?..Why was the Chief of Police in the illegal check point?.are this high ranking PNP and military official Lt. Col aware of what will happens? Their presence in that illegal check point is a big ?… Maratan  and his intel men is aware of the SUV group?…They know that the group is passing thru.  after passing the first manned  check point with (4) regular PNP and ID the occupant of the SUV was verify by the check point…

    Maratan group and the army group knows fully well what will happens.They are aware who was in the SUV. The line of fire was determined to be  one sided. (200) rounds . it just tell u there was an intent to kill. The crime scene and evidences were also contaminated…?…but the question is WHY?…theres a lot angles…MONEY, TURF, or personal grudges, among police/military groups…The big question is there’s no respect for anybody…because this kind of incidence has been happening and nobody can stop them. everybody believed they are above the LAW….and they can get away with it…?  This has been enable for a long time and this just the result…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X2U4X42BZTUHPWMP2UKFP5QWMU LucasPacascas

    Walang shootout Mr. President. AMBUSH ang nangyari. Sinet-up lahat ni Col. Marantan yan. Nakita naman nyo siguro na dalawa ang check-point at nakapark ng maayos yung dalawang Montero, at sarado ang mga windows. Makakabaril ba ng maayos yung mga nasa loob ng sasakyan? At kung shoot-out yan, may casualty din ang mga nasa check-point dahil siguradong babaril muna ang mga nasa loob ng sasakyan habang papalapit sa checkpoint diba? Remember, ang unang account nila ay mga guns-for-hire ang nasa loob ng Montero. 

    That “encounter” scenario is a hallmark of Col. Marantan, like the Valle Verde incident, the Laguna ambush na walo ang namatay na sinasabing carnappers, at yung Paranaque encounter kung saan namatay ang isang seaman at ang kanyang 5-year-old daughter. Col. Marantan is a trigger-happy cop.  

  • noelpogi

    Hindi naman checkpoint un, ambush un.  Control sa jueteng area ang pinagtalunan nila.  Alam ng militar at pulis ang paglagay ng checkpoint.  Un 2 grupo na un e parehong ilegal ang ginagawa.  Naunahan sa set-up un naambush. kaya TIGOK!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETNUG6HPDQOSLORHMP6IHT4XDU ricky

    “It more fun in gang-land Philippines!” Walang pinagkaiba ang Pilipinas noong panahon ni Al Capone sa Amerika.. The only difference is that ang mga gangsters ngayon ay mga military na..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Kung nagpaputok man ang mga biktima, kasi nga mukhang abu-sayaf ang na sa checkpoint. Sa 50 pulis, isa lang na uniforme.
    Ambush yan.

  • $16638896

    kabado ang kupal na si suarez, mkhang guilty hehehe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RWPOD4ER5LJPDQU3N32NAC74X4 johnnie r

    Pano na ngayon yung pinagsasabi ni Valte at Purisima nung kakatapos lang ng insidente na legit daw yung operasyon???

  • Gerry Salvador

    Pinoy must take opportunity to totally eradicate jueteng in the country. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IKT4PWUFECTS72XCX6K25EPJXE tong-its

    The pandorra’s box has just been opened exposing the alleged illegal activities of PNP/military. Kaya pala ayaw ibigay kay dating Sec. Robredo and control ng PNP. Its now time for this administration to strictly enforce its “Daang Matuwid”. Get rid of all the scalawags in uniform.

  • done_druff

    Tumigil ka na nga NgoyNgoy at lalo lang lumalala ang usapan eh. Last Monday, your office through your spokeperson said in the media that “It was a legitimate police operations.” then now you are saying there were inconsistencies!

    Bam! Talk about being too political and jumping the guns without thinking and meticulous enough to restrain your often wide open mouth!!!

    Just SHUT UP will you?!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CYUXU35XHVC6K7HGRCZNI7JOFA PAZ

    Pag mas maraming pulis ang napatay ang sabi ,”, Ang tatanga nila naging pulis pa sila!” Pag walang nasaktan sa pulis ha? bakit walang nasaktan? Alam nila na may mga baril at mamamatay tao din yung kalaban kaya di na binigyan ng chance pwedeng ganon. Natutulog sa pansitan si Mar Roxas. Idinadaing na sa Southern Tagalog yang mga sindikato. Sa konting halaga na pambili ng drugs pwede na daw 5,000 para maging hired killer. Riding in tandem ang dami nyan sa Southern Tagalog ngayon. Alam ng ibang tao yang grupo ng sindikato. Maglagay sila ng mga agent sa mga probinsya dyan nila malalaman kung sino mga miembro ng mga yan. Patuloy na lumalaki ang miembro ng mga yan. Laging nauunahan ng mga yan ang mga pulis ngayon nauna pulis sa kanila. Di na sila binuhay kawawa naman Magpadala kayo ng agent sa Batangas at Laguna takot na ang mga tao sa lugar nayan. Ang daming biktima ng riding in tandem sa Southern Tagalog ngayon. Parang MEXICO na tayo pag di inagapan yan. mga agent angmkailangan honest agent gawin nila yan alang alang sa bansa natin.takot na mamamayan!

  • haybuhay69

    lagi namang ganyan.. no sacred cows, no one to be spared, etc. papalamigin lang ng ilang linggo balik duty nnman yang sila marantan. at nakalimutan na nating lahat ito..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BLHTAUIFFX2RVP2RMPGY57YNZA Acute

      hindi mapagkakatiwalaan yang mga ugok na pulis yan, pati yang pag-imbestiga ng SOCO, parang hindi na ko maniniwala dyan, mag PSCHOANALYSIS na lang kayo mga ugok bobo! tama yung konklusyon ni ABNOYNOY!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CYUXU35XHVC6K7HGRCZNI7JOFA PAZ

    Ang tawag sa probinya sa mga hired killer ay BIRADOR! Proud nabproud yang mga hired killer pag tinatawag silang birador! Ang feeling nila sila si Rudy Fernandez! Pag umuuwi ako sa probinsya usapan ng mga tao yang mga dumaraming hired killer.Ang ibang biktima nila ay kawawa yung mabubuting tao na laban sa drugs. Pag lumaban ka sa mga drug pushers yon nadyan na ang mga Birador.

  • cogito728sum

    When I was in my early teens, I witnessed an escape attempt of two prisoners assigned to dispose of the town’s jail garbage one early dawn.  As the two prisoners were on the run, the PC guarding them (yes folks this was when the Philippine Constabulary was still the national police force) aimed his rifle at the two who both fell on the ground.  When I noticed that both were hit on the legs, I asked the constable why?  His answer was, and listened to this folks:  “Son I just wanted to stop them not kill them.  If I wanted to kill them I could have aimed for the part of the body with bigger mass, the torso, where most of the vital organs are.  The thing is even if they’re prisoners and attempting to escape, I had no moral right nor the authority to take away their lives.”

    The moral of the story:

    Maratnan’s claim of being hit in the hand and leg is nothing but, to cite again Cong. Farinas, a ‘palusot’ to justify what was obviously not a shoot out;

    That it is not the gun that kills per se but the man behind the gun, his state of mind.   And this is where I admired that constable.  One may reason out that the constable’s life was not endangered unlike that of Maranan’s and his cohorts.  Well…;

    The most important difference in this comparison is this, the big gap in the value of human life.
    Folks this is the most dreadful factor that separates the Philippines of today and that of the 40’s and 50’s.  In those bygone eras, you do not hesitate to solicit the help of a police officer knowing that the person who wears the badge and uniform is legit.  Now you can’t be sure who is the real cop and the plastic one.  In those days there was order and obedience to legally constituted authorities.  You do not hear a governor defying the order of higher up nor a Supreme Court decision being ignored.  Of course you didn’t hear of a justice being charged of corruption either.
    Nor of a simple cop or barrio councilor whose patent lavish lifestyle defies explanation.  Nor of the Catholic Church meddling in the affairs of the State.  Which leads to the following closing question.

    What has happened to us, our society, and our country? 

    Goodnight my countrymen and thank you!

    • marionics

      nice story pero martial law yata nun a so medyo iba naman ang circumstance he he

      • cogito728sum

        My friend this was not in the martial law era.  This was in the mid 50’s and the incident happened in Binan, Laguna.  The basketball court where I was headed to was adjacent to the town hall at that time.  Incidentally, Binan was one of the places I enjoyed in my youth, a historical town with many spanish architecturally designed houses.

        N.B.  Generally, bodyguards was not a fad yet among politicians in those days and the Philippine Constabulary was definitely a much better disciplined organization compared to the current setup.  I was caught by the first two years of martial law there but was blown by its cruel fate to another land.  And talking of guns, I used to go to school with that SW .38 always tucked in my belt mostly for protection.  But having lived in a gunless society for close to four decades now, I loathe the mere sight of a gun.  Hence, I could emphatize with Simon’s reaction when his guest was showing a gun to his son.  I would have reacted and done similarly as he did.  Take care and good luck!

      • marionics

        wow! that was another world then. ako naman i was a kid in the early 70s before martial law and we also had guns. my dad gave me a .22 long rifle when i was 6 years old to hunt with. can you imagine giving a gun to a 6-yr-old nowadays? i remember him giving me a quick general firearm safety procedure lecture before he let me handle it and i never had an accident (lucky i guess).

      • cogito728sum

        No my friend it was not luck.  It was discipline imparted to you by a disciplined father.  I salute you and your dad!  Merci!

      • marionics

        thanks for the nice words but i can’t really imagine myself letting my kid handle a gun at age 6. my dad must have been really bonkers to do that to me he he. i think i am still lucky because no matter how disciplined you are accidents will happen and more so if you are 6 yrs old he he.

      • cogito728sum

        Have you ever thought that a 6 year old can learn much faster than a 60 year old?  Merci!

      • marionics

        i know what you mean. like i said when i was 6 and my dad gave me the gun i did not really think much of it and i guess i was able to learn the safety procedure but like i said i can’t imagine doing it to my own kid. it’s just a psychological thing i guess. i don’t have my dad’s trusting nature (yet) he he

    • Dredd01

      This is what we call freedom – to kill and get away with it. Our neighboring countries are not so free yet so industrialized.

      • cogito728sum

        My friend I could sense a veneer of pejorative tenor in your use of the word freedom but I can emphatize with your frustration.  The overall state of affairs in the country fully justify such sentiment.  My unsolicited counsel, however,  is not to throw in the towel as yet.  I have expressed the same sentiment before by saying that we are nearing the conditions of a failed state.  I was tempted to say that because of the not so different conditions prevailing in the decaying periods of the Roman Republic.  What with the immorality, the bribery, the corruptions of the people in power.  But upon thorough reflections, I have concluded that, with the tremendous help of this modern medium called internet, the Filipino diaspora
        has acquired a weapon never available before to alter his government for the better.  But we have to unite as a people and we have to start somewhere.  The best starting point my friend is the coming elections in a few months.  And the first
        stumbling block to our progess as a people is the prevailing political dynastism.
        So my friend lets all roll our sleeves and get ready to dismantle this evil.  Believe
        you me it is nothing but a diaphanous veil of aberration much easier to tear down
        than the Berlin Wall.  So, lets all do it.  Good luck and thank you!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NVBS2TMY6B7OGOA6474TYIQDJE Cristobel

       a problem for us is the Church has stopped talking about morality and became just another political party

      • cogito728sum

        Sorry for the delay in responding to your reply.  But its very true Cristobel, sadly true indeed.  Thanks!

    • bucketZombie

      Today’s moral values are so low and nobody cares anymore. We lost our sense of patriotism.

      • cogito728sum

        A total loss for an erstwhile noble race.  Where did we do wrong?  When did the transition occur from being a noble race to a seemingly ‘irreparably  damaged
        culture?”  Shall we just ignore this sad state of affairs without lifting a finger to
        remedy the situation?  There are some of the heart rending questions I keep
        asking myself.  And they keep me wondering.  Good luck to you my friend and
        thank you!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYYFBINDMTZHM6TDHPB667452M agustin

    AB: (shut down ang PSP at nagtanong) ANO BA ANG YANGYARI A BANSA NATIN BAKIT MAINGAY SILA ?
    OFFICER : tapos na ang barilan sir, ligitimit ang operation.
    AB : ganoon ba ? baka iba na naman ang labas ng balita mamaya .
    OFFICER :huwag kang mag alala sir, ayon sa katiwala natin ay ligitimit iyon.kami ang bahala sir, ituloy mo nalang iyong laro mo sa PSP.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BLHTAUIFFX2RVP2RMPGY57YNZA Acute

    mga bobo, magbasa muna kayo, palibhasa hindi kayo marunong gumawa ng konklusyon at umunawa ng sitwasyon, saktong-sakto yung konklusyon ni ABNOYNOY!, di naman talaga mapagkakatiwalaan yang mga pulis niyong TANGANG KURAKOT LANG, MGA BUWAYA, Hindi ako PRO-NOYNOY pero kawawa naman ang mga naging biktima sa shoot-out!! hindi pala shoot-out kundi AMBUSH!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Ang itsura ng mga 50 na pulis na nang-ambush (este shootout pala), ay parang mga bandido. Walang uniporme. Napagkamalan yatang rebelde kaya nagpaputok yung biktima.

  • Roose Bolton

    It was not a shootout, it was a shoot-in. All shots going into the vehicles whose windows were all closed.

    • http://twitter.com/d3marketers SAMMY

      Mismo! Then ang unang report coming from the police said that there was an intel that members of a criminal syndicate would pass by at Atimonan, so they had set up a checkpoint, the purported syndicate arrived on 3 SUV’s rolled down their windows an fired at the government forces. Problem is, malinaw sa mga lumabas na images sa encounter, saradong sarado ang mga pinto ng 3 SUV’s na tadtad ng bala…..Cover up

  • regd

    It’s going to be a rabbit hole investigation with no definitive and final outcome! 

  • Garote

    There should be a total gun ban of PNP and AFP personnel to avoid massacre of uniformed men and civilians killed in the cross-fire. Instead, they should be given “batutas” or “bastons.” 

  • Loggnat

     They should find the 3rd SUV if it actually existed. The occupant in that vehicle should shed some light to the mysterious shoot-out/ambush. They were present before and during the incident. More than likely, the big fish is in that SUV.

  • -XO-

    If you want to get to the truth, start with the assumption that everything you are told is a lie. Then follow the money trail.

    This incident has the smell of a deliberate, intended massacre. It is irrelevant to the truth whether anyone had a badge.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZZK525UYR7QVVXNHVEKXLPUY34 Ed

        What we should be asking for is: who were the members of the investigating panels for the so-called encounters in Valle Verde (kitang-kita sa UNTV video ang one-sided “shoot-in”) at Paranaque (a seaman and his young daughter, pleading for their lives, yet still shot down, because of a technical “glitch” in checkpoint set-up kuno)? 
        Were they members of the Blind Society of the Philippines? (apologies to our disabled brethren)  
        On glaring technical evidence: Will the investigating panels for the Quezon incident – I don’t care if they’re NBI – again be blind to the rolled-up windows attesting to a one-sided shooting incident? Even if a glass window is shattered on purpose to mislead investigators, you can quickly check the roll-up mechanism’s position – and if necessary, match it up with the bullet holes in the doors, to verify if it was rolled down as claimed by the ambushers. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H47CPJUE4QYKFUCKSUXK3LNBGI Allan

    questions:
    1. ano ang suot ng mga npa? camouflage; ano ang suot ng mga kasama ng pulis? camouflage
    2. meron bang sign na “slow down, this is a police checkpoint”? wala
    3. bakit hindi nakauniporme ang mga pulis? sila lang ang nakakaalam
    4. nasaan na ang 5 million pesoses? pinaghati-hatian na?
    5. ano ang dapat gawin kay marantan? charge with murder 
    6. paano malalaman ang katotohanan? interview each member individually – kahit anong practice nila, siguradong may magkakamali sa pagkuwento

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Ano ba ang qualifications para maka obtain ng commemorative PNPA plate number ????

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Bakit sa St. Luke nag pa confine si Maratrat…tanong lang….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

      dong, allowed under existing regulations na  ma-confine or to get treated sa private hospitals kahit primera klase pa ang isang sugatang pulis then they are sent for convalescence sa pnpgh sa panopio.  

      but to answer your question, then that is because st lukes is the choice treatment facility of ‘shady characters’

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

        Now I got it..thanks.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OMNEL2G2GDUDZFL6P3WRMBTQX4 AprilFool

    Quotes from Atty. Eduardo Escueta Napolcom Vice Chairman: 
    “”Ang amin pong tinitignan bakit parang ang purpose ng checkpoint ay patayin kaagad at wag nang pagbigyan na makatigil, makalabas ng sasakyan.” 

    “Checkpoint police operations procedure ay may dala kayong megaphone… Ganoon po sana hindi yung pagdating ng insidente huminto yung dalawang sasakyan, ang purpose agad ay makipagbarilan.”

    “Kaya po isa sa mga isyu yan na dapat naming alamin bukod dun po ay yung issue kung bakit may mga kasamang pulis itong grupo na napatay at bakit ang checkpoint ay napakarami nang tao na may composite membership pa. Indication po yan na planadong-plano ang pangyayari pero bakit pagpatay kaagad ang parang punto ng kanilang checkpoint?”
    This Col. Marantan is a cold-blooded killer. Hindi pa tapos ang kaso nito sa Valle Verde shoot out at Paranaque encounter, bakit nasa duty pa siya? There’s something fishy here.

  • Rod Laver

    If totoong guns-for-hire ang sakay nung dalawang Montero, ang una sanang natodas ay si Col. Marantan according to him, he flagged down the vehicle tapos may nagbukas ng pinto at binaril siya kaya tinamaan siya sa kamay at tuhod. Tangna hindi naman siguro tolongges bumaril yung nasa loob mng Montero ano? Either sa ulo or dibdib sana ang tama ni Col. Marantan. That’s how a killer shoots, laging sa fatal target dahil trabaho niya ang pumatay. One bullet, one kill. Dapat ipa-ballistic exam yung bala na nakuha sa tuhod ni Col. Marantan at baka yung kasama niya sa checkpoint ang nakabaril sa kanya. Shootout daw e, he,he,he.

  • superlucky2

    Right, Rod Laver, kung totoong guns-for-hire yung mga victims, sana ang unang napatay si Marantan. That is also the opinion ni Abnoy Aquino. Dapat magkaroon ng masusin investigation dito para mabigyan ng justice ang mga victins, hindi sa Atimonan pati na rin yung mga naunang victims ni Marantan. 

  • managaha

    Maliwanag na rubout. Siniguradong patay agad lahat para di mabunyag ang katotohanan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    From Marantan’s own words..He knew that the armed group belongs to Vic Siman…just watch his hospital interview.

  • http://joboni96.myopenid.com/ joboni96

    Rep. Danilo Suarez
    namomolitika ka lang

    let nbi do its job and
    dont waste house money and time

    mag angus steak na lang
    kayo ni zte aroyo

    • kalikasanipagtanggol

       si suarez ay dapat imbestigahan din kung nakikialam dahil baka may ibig ipahiwatig ang pakikialam niya na yan! balwarte niya ang quezon at isa ito sa mga probinsiya na may malakas na resistance sa pagsugpo ng jueteng!

      • http://joboni96.myopenid.com/ joboni96

        amen

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SYG36KOOLRY47VA3ICPJJ5CQTQ ADD

    Congress should make a law for this.

    No more government commemorative plates, stickers or insignias that can be put on any vehicles .

    • $14141131

      Talking about car plates, it would be better to put what province and/or city was the vehicle registered and the code and plate color for the value of the vehicles so that high-end vehicles can be diffirentiated from the cheap one. This could deter robbery of plates for criminal or illegal purposes. So with other type of vehicles like trucks, passenger type, and so on. Their plate colors must vary. 

  • Pitbulldog

    The way this pro-Pnoy media people and government officials place so many theories and presumptions on the cause and effect of this incident, it is more likely it will turn out like all the other hot items in  newspapers headlines – an exciting issue where everyone is enticed to participate and contribute his piece.  They will deliberate for a week and when all suppositions have been  laid and discussed, no concrete result is obtained as usual.  Like the rest, this issue will just come to pass,i.e, the stray bullet victims during the holidays.  It seems like the best way to curtail a controversial issue they are helpless to resolve, turn to a more controversial one, stick to that til the furor from the a previous  incident has subsided.  That’s is how P-noy’s government has subsisted herself to survive since the start.  They just never run out of news and ideas to keep the people occupied in disagreements and division.  At kumbaga sa dokumento, santambak na yan na nakalaan sa shredder.  Kakapal nyo, dapat pagbuhul-buhulin mga barely used na  ano nyo – P-noy and Mar.  Kung di pwede, isipit sama-sama.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RWPOD4ER5LJPDQU3N32NAC74X4 johnnie r

    Lahat na nakisawsaw pati presidente…sa bandang huli walang kalalabasan lahat ng imbestigasyon dito!!!

  • tata_boy

    Bayan mukhang pinag-fiestahan ng militar ang mga ari-arian ng mga nasawi tulad ng ginawa nila sa mga nakumpiskang paputok sa QC. ang mga tao nga naman, he-he-he, weather-weather lang talaga, ano?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SXQUWDG3HHPTBSWYWVO3DW4OSE Greg

      Tata_baboy ang pulis ay hindi militar.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DKHID3EEHTG27U5JXRIIUVKXQA Jose Rizal

    Pinangunahan na ang hustisya…anong ginamit niyang tool to come up with such a statement?  Analytical review?  Or Abnoy’s review?

    Hahahahahahahaha!

    • Observer_din

      you’re acting more like one :)

    • joshmale2004

      “Mr. Aquino said that despite his doubts, he believed it was too early for him to draw conclusions, because he might be misinterpreted as trying to influence the direction of the investigation.” PDI.
      have you read the news in its entirety or just the first paragraph?

      • ARIKUTIK

        PNP and AFP knows their commander in chief is a Boy AB who’s “Daang Matuwid” is directed only to political opponents. The corrupt friends of Boy AB are having a good time to murder opponents too ……

      • joshmale2004

        Sorry but I don’t believe much in gossips without solid proofs. For the mean time, I am going to wait for more reports to come in. Useless speculating without solid facts yet. I am not yet that desperate to blame everything happening in the country to one person.

  • FrozenLink

    basta ako di ako na niniwala na jueteng ang dahilan ng lahat!

  • FrozenLink

    I just I do not believe that the cause of jueteng or rabout ie shootout with masmalalim reason more than that!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

      eh di huwag, bakit, meron bang pumipilit sa iyo?

  • $14141131

    Nhoynhoy is talking like he is going to do something. And Roxas too. All are just lip service.

    • Observer_din

      why dont we just wait? :)

  • boybakal

    Aquino doubts Quezon encounter was a shootout, cites inconsistencies…

    At least tama dito si Pnoy. And who would know better than a gun enthusiast like Pnoy.
    He knows when to shoot a target.

    It is sad that the unlucky 13 were killed without a fight.
    They are like Sitting Duck until the volley of fire hit them from different direction.
    As said, pinainan or lured to their death trap.

    The Unlucky 13 were killed not by Enemy Fire, as the ambushers were not enemy of state.
    They were killed not by a Friendly Fire, as the barrels of guns were pointed directly at them, they were the intended target.
    In short, they are killed by Firing Squad.
    Very Unlucky to be called Lucky 13…not a myth anymore.

  • frudo

    sana maimbestigahan to ng parehas… 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    News updates please…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Psiitoon-Charoenkrung/100001362990665 Jane Deasis Villena

    The investigation should not stop on the shoot out incident but it should widen its investigation to the entire PNP and truly clean it from rogue policemen and scalawag soldiers.  For public security and national security the PNP and AFP should be cleaned of all corrupt elements whether they are high or low rank officers.

  • Pwe Jade

    Shoot-out or Rub-out.

    WIth guns or No guns, General Nakar is lucky for not having elected Alfredo Pujeda.
    This crook who owns an arsenal of illegal fire arms operate the PTS – towing service in STAR highway and the Pujeda Builders & Construction Supply in Culiat, QC.

    Maltreatment of laborers, falsified documents, no business permits.  Instead of paying taxes, he pays corrupt people in TRB and QC Hall.

    Watch out.  If you are buying any property, check out the builder – PUJEDA. Stay away.  RED ALERT!

  • kalikasanipagtanggol

    Kung magkakalaban lang pala yan ng mga pino proteksyunan, dapat pala nagkaubusan na ang mga yan at wala ng itira para naman mabawasan ang mga korap na parak at sundalo pati mga anak ng jueteng!

  • palakasantayo

    A major business (illegal) is coming down… the big wall is collapsing and a lot of people are being drag into it. This is on the way to the “matuwid na daan”. This is inevitable as this crooked old way is changing. Go for it Pnoy and NBI.

  • arao_liwanag

    Puro lang salita yan, pinaka inutil na Presidente. 

  • Beware chinese eat humans.

    this is very much a part of wang wang culture…mr. president…this is very much against your administration values…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4HFSI7JVVSU3GNKRU72Z2HPWXU Jen

    in every police operations that exchanges of fires occurs, you cannot expect fairness when it comes to news and opinions of “intelligent’ people.. cause they were not the ones who experienced tragic events.. though policemen manning checkpoints or responding in a police assistance were dispatched in good faith.. although it was a legitimate police operations,we likely tends to influence others that it was a well planned operations… to explain to you further, there has never been a well planned operation when it comes to responding to a call for police assistance or manning a checkpoint.. every firefight comes instantly knowing you had accomplish something for the good of the constituents or a job well done..police always act on every information whether it turned out naught or it turned out fruitful.. but what hurts policemen on the field is when they experience miss-encounters knowing later to be their comrades.. I know they were on a legit operation. to require them to be cautious not to hurt the victims when their very lives and limbs are placed in a perilous situation is absolutely illogical and preposterous.. If it is true that they (victims) were alleged members of a criminal elements then why are we to blame them (responders) for a collateral damage when it is a mere repercussion of an instinctive response while in the lawful exercise of their respective duties? .. i’m not to judge, its my opinion.. if all doubt their legitimacy then investigation will take its course but must be fairly, just and God forbids,,WAG MAHALUAN NG PULITIKA…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4HFSI7JVVSU3GNKRU72Z2HPWXU Jen

    To give my opinion, the people in the suv’s (all deceased) were armed and dangerous as informants informed the teams of responders, They had guns. precisely, that were the reason why the teams of the PNP and AFP responded. I know they did not go to the place of incident with Murder in their Hearts.. they went there to perform a duty.. they went there to keep peace and enforce the law, but one of the deceased met them with gunfires..the team leader was shot dowm. Under that circumstances, will the police officers just shout at the aggressors to stop shooting at them as they are police officers, soldiers and environmentalist? will the police manning the checkpoint just stand idly and wait for another police or soldiers to be shot, maimed or killed? time was at the moment. they had to defend themselves and their companions. whoever fired shots among them was fulfilling a lawful duty. TO LAY THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE IS ALREADY AN OVERWHELMING RISK THAT POLICE OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS ENDEAVOR EVERY TIME THEY RESPONDED TO A CALL OF DUTY; TO REQUIRE THEM TO BE PERFECTLY PRECISE IN THE EXECUTION OF THEIR FUNCTIONS EVEN WHEN THEIR VERY LIVES AND LIMBS ARE IN DANGER WOULD BE ASKING THE IMPOSSIBLE..IT WOULD BE PLACING AN INSURMOUNTABLE BURDEN TO OUR POLICE AND SOLDIERS TO REQUIRE THEM TO MEET AN INITIAL AGGRESSION WITH A PERFECTLY EQUAL AGGRESSION.. THIS STANDS WITH MORE REASON IN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT WHEN ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS ALREADY DOWN AND INJURED…  amen.. Kanya kanya tayong kwento dahil ganito tayong mg pilipino… hoyyyy!!!!!

    • doncleo

       Huwag ka na lang mag comment..Ang babaw mo.Bata ka pa siguro o wala pa muwang sa takbo ng sistema sa Pilipinas..Ang mga kriminal,carnappers,gambling lords.drug lords, PNP at AFP ay iisa..ISA SILANG MALAKING SINDIKATO…Sana ngayon alam mo na.

  • simonibarra27

    Consistent nga sa Kapalpakan ang ating Katulisan. Very efficient ang paggamit ng bala! wala silang survivor na suspects na mga katulisan din, baka may magsalita pa eh!

  • Your_King

    Ambush? Criminals vs. crooked police vs. corrupt government officials. It’s all about power and money. It’s more fun in the Philippines!

  • maypakialamtayo

    legitimate police operation, yan ang sabi ni purisima at valte sa unang araw pa lang, ngayon bakit sinibak yung provincial director ng pnp, sino ba ang legitimate yung mga nasa checpoint o yung mga namatay? ang gulo nyo!

  • Rolly257

    Rolled down the window, open fire, hit Marantan on hands and foot. Wow na wow ang istoryang ito.

    • doncleo

       Hahahaha!!! Akala yata ng mga kumag na ito tanga ang mga tao..E kung naunang nagpaputok yung nasaSUV sana marami sa kanila tinamaan..Sa kamay at paa tinamaan si Marantan ?.. Kumita na ang dramang ito.. Bantayan natin at pagkatapos nito mapopromote pa ang Marantan na yan…KAPAAALL!!!

  • isprikitik

    hay naku…pnoy before mg salita si abegail valte dapat check muna natin script natin baka we are judging things wrongly…ok…piece of advice lang.. 

    • ARIKUTIK

      Dikitan ng Duck tape ang bunganga nila para hindi buka ng buka ng walang kamunasan !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y74B6RY5N37I5JG2KAFGKGFPFA F**kinMO

    “Who can say that you are safe and will be protected now that those who are powerful are being killed?” Suarez said…..I say this is good, because the last time I know, it was the small fish that had been caught and killed, this time is different. This means we’re going somewhere and this Suarez guy as representative as he is he wants only the small guy will pay. Is this the kind representative of the people the weak the old and the defenseless small guy? You people should think who should be representing you. 

  • bogli_anakdami

    ay sus ginoo…. walang mangyayari jan… tropa ni ampatuan allah eh ‘sang tambaks ang itinumba… hanggang ngayon eh walang kaso…

    hay naku… talaga itong mga traposakals eh mga flips eh mga gung gongs na, tina-tanga pa ninyo ng husto…

  • $14141131

    But there’s no doubt that money is the root cause of the crystal-clear rubout. Marantan may had himself wounded with superficial shots like a general in a battlefield who wants promotion. lol.



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