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242 gun owners living in Nicole neighborhood

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Stephanie Nicole Ella (second from left), her 5-year-old brother Ken and her cousins eagerly await New Year’s Eve outside their home in Caloocan City unaware that she would be hit by a stray bullet at midnight. Note date on photo at right. PHOTO COURTESY OF ELLA FAMILY

As many as 242 gun owners live in the neighborhood of Stephanie Nicole Ella, the 7-year-old girl who was hit and killed by celebratory gunfire on New Year’s Eve, records of the Philippine National Police showed.

Of the number of licensed firearms owners in the Tala area, composed of four villages in Caloocan City, 45 are in possession of .45-caliber pistols, possibly including the one that killed Nicole, whose death has triggered public outrage and calls for tighter gun control.

According to the PNP’s Firearms and Explosives Office, there are 242 registered guns in Tala. Of this, 138 are registered under a security agency, which operates from the area, while 104 are owned by private individuals, including the 45 who own .45-caliber pistols.

Not yet off the hook

The hunt for the still unidentified reveler who fired the shot that killed Nicole continues, even as the ex-soldier who owned up to firing his gun that night but was apparently exonerated by a ballistics test, has yet to be fully absolved of responsibility, said Chief Supt. Raul Petrasanta, who heads the firearms and explosives office.

Nicole was watching a fireworks display outside the family home on New Year’s Eve when a .45-caliber bullet, apparently from celebratory gunfire, hit her in the head. She died at East Avenue Medical Center in Quezon City on Wednesday afternoon.

Police later said the bullet that killed Nicole was fired from a gun just 50 meters from where she stood.

Juan Agus, a former intelligence officer of the Presidential Security Group who is now a barangay official, turned himself in on Thursday. He admitted to having fired his 1911 pistol during the New Year’s Eve celebrations, taking turns with three other friends.

But the Caloocan police later concluded that Agus’ 1911 pistol was not the gun from which the bullet that killed Nicole was fired.

Not so fast

However, Petrasanta and Malacañang said Agus was not yet home free.

“We will have to check because what if the pistol [that killed Nicole] is Llama-made and your gun is not Llama-made. But what if you only changed it? Or what if you also changed the firing pin? We will check carefully,” Petrasanta said.

Besides, the Caloocan police investigation has yet to be completed, he said.

The PNP official said that based on PNP records, Agus owns three pistols, the .45-caliber 1911 pistol, a .22-caliber and a 9 mm.

He stands to lose all his licenses and have his guns confiscated for violating regulations, Petrasanta said.

“The mere fact that he let other people borrow his gun and they fired it was already a violation of indiscriminate firing. That’s just one of the grounds to revoke his license,” he said.

In Malacañang, deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said Agus and his three friends would be charged with indiscriminate firing, an act falling under the crime of illegal discharge of firearms.

“He himself admitted that he had a gun and he fired it at the time. While it is not the same gun that fired the bullet that led to the demise of Stephanie, that is still a crime in and of itself,” Valte told a Palace briefing.

Charges dismissed, P1,000 bail

But even as Petrasanta and Valte spoke, Agus and his three friends were getting a reprieve from the Caloocan prosecutor’s office.

Nida C. Gravino, senior assistant prosecutor, on Friday dismissed charges of illegal discharge of firearms and negligence against Agus and his drinking buddies, Arcadio Gulmatico, Eddie Magtubo and Feliciano Cercano.

The four men were detained on Thursday and were subjected to inquest proceedings on Friday, where Gravino dismissed the charge of illegal discharge of firearms for lack of evidence, approving charges of alarm and scandal only.

“There was no proof to the effect that when the gun was fired, it was aimed at a person. There was no witness who declared to the effect that these people fired the gun,” Gravino said in a telephone interview.

She also dismissed the charge of negligence against Agus for letting his drinking buddies take turns in firing his .45-caliber gun.

A P1,000 bail was recommended for the temporary liberty of the four suspects, who remained in the custody of Caloocan police as of press time on Friday.

 

Reckless imprudence

However, the four suspects will still face a preliminary investigation for the case of reckless imprudence resulting in homicide in connection with the death of Nicole.

According to Gravino, the city prosecutor, Ferdinand Valbuena, ordered the conduct of a preliminary investigation to determine if there was probable cause to file charges of reckless imprudence resulting in homicide against the four suspects.

The hearing will be conducted next week, and the police could submit additional evidence then, she said.

The Caloocan police said it had narrowed down the search for Nicole’s killer to the 45 known owners of .45-caliber guns in the Malaria district of northern Caloocan.

Supt. Jackie Candelario, assistant chief for operations and Caloocan police spokesperson, said the bullet that hit Nicole came from about 50 meters away, or about the length of an Olympic-sized swimming pool, or about half a football pitch.

“After our reenactment on Thursday night, we found out that the bullet was fired from just 50 meters away. And based on the way the bullet hit Nicole, we can say that it was fired from her back,” he said.

Candelario said they are looking into all .45-caliber gun owners in Malaria but there is also the possibility that the gunman was just visiting Nicole’s neighborhood that night.

“The next step for us is to compare the ballistic signatures of the gun owners in this area with that of the signature left on the bullet which hit Nicole,” he said.

Parallel NBI probe

Petrasanta has urged Nicole’s neighbors to report other people they might have seen firing guns during the New Year revelry.

“Of course the biggest help will come from witnesses. If they saw their neighbor fire his gun, they should also report it so we can pinpoint other suspects. Perhaps it was not only Agus but many others,” he said.

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima on Friday said she has ordered the National Bureau of Investigation to conduct a parallel investigation into the death of Nicole.

De Lima said she would also be going to Nicole’s wake last night as President Aquino’s representative, “primarily to assure the family that justice will be served.” With reports from Michael Lim Ubac and Jerome Aning

 

First posted 6:39 pm | Friday, January 4th, 2013


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Tags: .45-caliber pistol , Caloocan City , Crime , Firearms , Gun Control , indiscriminate firing , New Year , New Year Casualties , new year revelry , New Year's Eve , Philippine National Police , Police , senseless killing , Shooting , Stephanie Nicole Ella , stray bullet , Tala


  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

    Kabit ngayon ang kapulisan, daming trabaho nyan. Kasuhan lahat ng makitaan ng unregistered guns, no excuses.

    • batangpaslit

      tumpak….at dapat merong political will ang gobyerno to prosecute the holders of unlicensed firearms.
      kawawa naman ang police na walang political clout if they carry out the law eh ma dismiss pa sila sa trabaho nila
      the honest members of the police force would carry out lawful duties; but, must be backed up too by their political bosses

  • Guest

    To prevent yang mga indiscriminate firing incidents na yan, ang dapat gawin ni Sec. Roxas, go for the loose firearms. Kaso wala siyang ginagawa.

    • Guest

      Sabagay Sec. Roxas is so hardworking naman…Masipag sa paggawa ng mga black propagandas sa kanyang mga kaaway.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Kailan lang ba umupo sa DILG si Roxas?  Ilang buwan lang di ba?

  • $23257130

    grave ha ano naman klaseng komunidad yan. may factory ba dyan ng baril? i raid yan kugar na yan. pppppwwweeeehhhhh

  • Guest

    Hindi sisikat si Sec. Roxas sa mga press release like this. All he has to do is work, work, work. Show to the public that he’s working.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MDAWMT3LIDHOCW7ZTSYXZEUQQ4 ghe

    lahat dapat  imbestigahan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SRZX4KS3LXYDDQZNLW464YQG3I Rodel

    mabuti pa yata yang Gen Espino action agad, si Sec. Mar Roxas parang nakabakasyon o umiiwas!!!!

    • bahaykubo1015

      Eh paano naman kung hindi sya iiwas.
      Baka mamaya masilip yong gun arsenal na pag-aari nang kanyang among si Pinoy at mga KKK. Baka ma pagalitan siya.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

        Maraming baril ang Sec of Political Affairs na si Llamas.

      • batangpaslit

        Tsong, hindi problema ang baril kung registerd and licensed, at kung hindi mo gagamitin sa ungas na activities.
        Tulad ng martilyo, puede ring gamitin sa pagpalo ng ulo ng kalaban mo. Eh, masama ba ang martilyo?
        Tools by itself are harmless. How you use it is altogether a different story.
        Ang kriminal kahit may baril sila, kung alam nila na ang bahay na balak nilang pasukin ang may ari ay may baril at marunong ding bumaril, tamimi ah na nakawan ang bahay pag dian ang may-ari na marunong bumaril.
        Kahit sa Bahay Kubo ka lang pero kung dami kang gamit at kursunadan ka, pagnakawan ka ng mga ungas.
        Pero kung alam nang ungas na may boga ka, magdalawang isip sila bago nila pasukin pamamahay mo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Ang PNP under ng DILG.  Bakit pa makikialam si Roxas kung naga-aksyon na ang PNP?  Anong malay mo utos din iyan ng DILG.  Hindi lang PNP ang trabaho ng DILG pati na ang local government.

      • batangpaslit

        tumpak na sagot

    • batangpaslit

      the Cabinet Member is responsible in the shaping up of departmental policies.
      under the cabinet are various agencies that executes those policies.
      if the department head does not know how to run his or her department by micro managing everything, it means, the top honcho of that department is clueless about his power of delegation.
      a leader who does not know how to delegate is not a leader because he or she does not know how to lead or manage
      if you are referring to Gen Espina the commanding general of the premiere regional police command, to take action and oversee this kind of police investigatin is his sworn duty.
      police work is his primary job.
      learn, Rodel, how to distinguish policy making from staff positions from line of operations who is responsible and who is accountable for what and for whom.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    100 gun owners in the neighborhood, how can they now trace the gun that killed the girl?

    • batangpaslit

      Noel, madali lang yan kung may magaling tayong ballistic expert to conduct the investigation diligently
      Kung nasilip mo ang mga barrel ng baril, pistol man o revolver or long firearm may makita kang parang may canal sa loob, diba? Tawag dian ay groove.
      Ang groove ng baril ay kahintulad ng thumb print mo—unique. Pati ang markings ng firing pin sa case or shell ng bala ay na examine din kung nag match.

      Ipagdasal mo na bigyan ng knowledge and wisdom and patience ang mga imbestigador hanggang ma resolve ang kaso.
      Faithful churchgoer ang batang natamaan ng bala.

  • catmanjohn

    The tragic and senseless death of Stephanie Ella exposes the cancer that grips Philippine society, especially among the men. The barangay justice and his friends, who should know the law better, admitted to firing a gun, at what time the article does not say, but such stupidity and disregard for law is endemic in the Philippines. Five drunkards, trying to outdrink each other on Tanduays, as signs of manhood, like  obsessing over their c0ck fights, and squandering their money on jueteng, reflects their misguided notions of what being a better man is, something which the Marcos and subsequent leadership’s corrupt behaviors has afflicted this culture with, for too long. The sins of our brothers has taken a precious angel away from us, and may she rest in peace in Heaven, amen.

    • batangpaslit

      the church, the community, the home have respective roles in nurturing people to be good assets of the society
      bakit si Marcos ang sisihin? every individual is resonsible to his or her thoughts and action.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DU5GH5NS3O7DOI54MNUPTTHVY4 B88C

    242 guns in one barangay? Jesus! And  maybe every barangay would, more or less, have the same number, too. There are 188 barangays in Caloocan. If we average it at 200 per barangay, does that mean, more or less, there are about 37,600 guns in Caloocan?

    • batangpaslit

      ang registered and licensed lang. paano ang hindi nabilang?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DU5GH5NS3O7DOI54MNUPTTHVY4 B88C

        Yes, you are right. That means there would be more! No offense to Caloocan folks, but when I was looking for real estate property, my sister warned me to never, never consider Caloocan no matter how cheap the price is. Now I know what she means.

      • batangpaslit

        Bro, your sister is wise.
        What kind of real estate property you’re looking for? Residential?
        Go San Mateo.
        I have a house in a subdivision within the subdivision bounded by San Mateo and Marikina.
        Pag nakakuha ka nang lugar doon banda, maglaro tayo ng Chess pag nag bakasyon ako….chuckles

  • opinyonlangpo

    That’s quite a lot. I now feel I am the only one not owning a gun in my own neighbourhood.

    • batangpaslit

      depende ‘yan Bro kung ano ang ratio sa total population of the given area.
      ilang household ba sa lugar na yon within the 100 metre radius?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    Kung 242 guns sa isang Barangay, then malamang yung mga Tanod eh Tangke ang ginagamit kapag may ronda sila.Yung Barangay Captain naman eh may Nuclear Bomb na….LOL!

    Ok let me get into serious matters,Kung 242 guns in one Barangay,means that Area must have a high crime rate! At kung mataas ang crime rate diyan,maraming surveillance camera diyan? Bakit hindi ninyo i-check ang mga surveillance camera from 11:30pm to 12:30am within that perimeter na pwedeng panggalingan ng firearm? Mga camera ng Kapit-bahay? Public Surveillance Camera?

  • Dexter Frazier

    Are you tellin me that when the concealed carry permit was issued, there is no gun ballistics database? Same thing with the POLICE and AFP of the Philippines?  There should be national gun ballistics database to all who carry a firearm may it be civilian, police or military. 

  • batangpaslit

    i am happy with this news report

    all the points i raised in my earlier post, as well, raised by other bloggers, i.e., inventory of household firearms within the radius where the innocent child was killed; the suspicion that the firearms submitted for balistic test may not be the firearm used; the suspicion that a dayuhan is the culprit are taken into account by the police investigators.

    with due diligence, the culprit will be eventually ferreted out

  • zeroko

    Akala ko ba mahigpit ang PNP? Bakit marami pa papalang loos fire arms sa labas?

  • $18209031

    Wala tamang training in gun safety itong mga kayumangmangs. Kung bigyan mo ng baril, para sino na. Bigyan mo pa yan ng pang inuman, lalong nang lumalaki ang ulo. Pag bigyan mo na yang ng bala sa baril, ang labas ay mag huhuramentado at mag papaputok . Punta kayo sa firing range, huwag dyan sa paligid na may mga bata. Sobrang tipid mga ito. O punta kayo sa probinsya para walang matamaan sa pagpuputok. 

    Hala, PNP, pag ayusin ninyo yan ng maigi, Tanggalan ninyo ng lisensya at ikulong for murder. 

  • joerizal

    May pambili ng baril at bala, pero walang pambili ng pagkain. Onli in da Pilipins.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

    palawakin niyo na ang pagsisiyasat at isama niyo na rin ang mga pulis, sundalo, atbp mga ahente ng gobyerno na may baril na nakatira sa lugar na yan.

  • $37644997

    Why can’t the PNP come-up with the idea of having 242 gun owners as suspects to  a crime?after all they know what is a projectile/bullet signature.

  • Paliwaweng

    Sr. Superintendent Candelario, bakit parang inaabogadohan mo na agad na may posibilidad na maaring bumibisita lang  yung maaring nagpaputok?

    This is very unprofessional of you, being a senior superintendent, giving assumptions or speculations before a thorough investigation was finished, and given that what you said is correct, it is uncalled for.
    And you are adding more anguish to the victim and her family. It will not help. It is better for you close your mouth if you can not say anything good.
    So what if he or she is only visiting? Are you insinuating that it would be impossible to identify that visitor? No wonder, criminals are having a heyday. They know, nincompoops line the corps of officers in our police.
    And a visitor to a place firing his gun on a day where he knows that firing was banned, in a place where he was considered a visitor of stranger? The one who said that ‘common sense is not common’ is right.

    Pardon my language but your logic is in-congruent with your rank, Mr. Senior Superintendent.

    • Paliwaweng

       sorry for the oversight, it should be ..Superintendent Candelario, not Sr. Superintendent.

  • Timujin King

    To all foreigners in this country, the question is, how come you’ve got a problem with gun proliferation now, considering that during Martial Law, President Marcos reportedly confiscated all firearms from the Philippine citizenry making the Philippines at that time, a gunless society?  Is this the reason then why you moved heaven and earth to rid yourselves of what you called “Marcos Dictatorship” and bring in democracy?  The Filipinos now, I see, mainly belong to the new generation, either not born yet or were still infants/toddlers during the Marcos years.  This is clear evidence then of what every foreigner in this country have been saying that Filipinos, generation after generation, never improve; that with any tiny bit of freedom Filipinos receive, they always use it in monkey behavior, than in human ways at least for the upliftment of their race in any respects.  Or is this then another evidence of this notorious Filipino passionate desire to imitate the evil side of the caucasian race? A la Newtown, Connecticut, eh?  Who are you going to shoot, your very own compatriots, the ToggaLuzons to shoot the Bisoyans and Mindanaoans, their perpetual object of envy, suya or inggit? When can you Filipinos ever expect yourselves then to start behaving like human beings and progress like any responsible members of the world community?  Is there still any hope at all for self-improvement and civility, or have you irreversibly chose to remain monkeys ’till the end of the world?

    • Rovingmoron

      That’s because of crab mentality and excessive egotism that they thought Ilocanos, Kapangpangans  or Tagalogs belong to a superior race in the Philippines. That the Visayans and Mindanaons are idiots, and no brains at all. I hope I’m wrong in my perception.

    • $18209031

      Actually this country has been runned by the northern Malay dominated tribes of Ilocanos and Tagaleglegs since 1946. NO wonder this country has been runned to the ground and ransacked by dirty politicians of Luzon. Its suffice to say, this is the Republic of Luzon . Republic of Pinas is a big misnomer in the very sense of the word.  Visayas and Mindanao are seen as second class citizen by these superior high nosed Luzonian elites who can t even correctly pronounce F , S and TH.  For example.

      Father is now pader

      Stephanie is now Estepani

      Thursday is now Torsde

      Visayas and Mindanao should divorse from Luzon and be independent states. Luzonian govt only sees things in its own narrowed elitist world.  

  • Rovingmoron

    Mere admission of the illegal discharge of firearms doesn’t constitute a crime? What kind of city is that? The fact that Agus already admitted that he, along with his friends, fired his .45 cal. gun during the New Year’s revelry is sufficient proof that he is liable for the commission of a crime. I think the prosecutor needs to go back to law school and retake his bar exams again.

    • doncleo

       ”There was no proof to the effect that when the gun was fired, it was aimed at a person”. So the case of illegal discharge of firearm was dismissed by Judge Gravino..Illegal discharge lang naman ang kaso kaya hindi naman kailangan itutok o iasinta sa tao..Ano ba yan? Papaanong naging judge to si Gravino? NAGKALAGAYAN NA NAMAN YATA..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

        Do you even know what illegal discharge of firearms means as defined in the law? Look it up. At ano naman basis mo para sabihin binayaran yung fiscal? Mahirap na squatter area nakatira yung akusado. In the presence of media pa. Watch the footage in GMA 7 website para makita mo yung bumping proceedings.

    • batangpaslit

      puede siguro homecide, not murder dahil hindi intentional eh

  • Rovingmoron

    The police can also question Agus if he had other visitors from the PSG that night? If not, the police can ask the neighbors if there were other visitors in Agus house that night, aside from the four suspects now in the police custody? It could be that one of the visitors may have fired his gun while having a drinking spree with the retired PSG man.

  • kalikasanipagtanggol

    Ipa surrender ang mga baril at ipadaan sa mga tests para tignan kung ipunutok at magtugma dun sa mga slugs at basyo!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XWH5SD6XPM3XKND6PJQQ32ZRAU Mabuhay

    di pa kasama jan yung mga walang lisensya. …na malamang e mas marami pa…..

  • Fulpol

    they can take down the entire police in Caloocan, if they want to..

    NPA should recruit them.. LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/55XNXOYBNF6BG3EWOM5V4YMWXM Pedro

    Sana po naman yung  mga kapitbahay  ni  Stephanie na may  nalalaman  na  nagpaputok  ng baril  sa  lugar  nila  noong  nakalipas  na  Bagong  taon  ay  magsalita  na.  Ireport nyo  na  sa  mga  pulis na  nagiimbestiga. . Dapat ay  mahuli  na  ang  killer  para mabigyan  si Stephanie  ng  hustisya. Isa pa po, kung makakalibre  pa  yang  killer  na  yan, posibleng  sa  susunod  na  selebrasyon  ng  Bagong taon  ay  magpapaputok  uli  yan. .  Baka  kyo naman  o  yang  mga  anak  nyo  ang  matamaan  ng  bala. .

  • lagotka

    PARANG NAPAKAHINA MAG IMBESTIGA NG PULIS DYAN. YUN MGA TEKNIKAL AT IBANG POSIBILIDAD DI NILA MAISIP. MABAGAL DIN KUMILOS SILA. STYLE NYAN MGA YAN E MAGDELAY HANGGANG HINDI NA MAPANSIN AT MAPABAYAAN NA KASO.

  • lagotka

     HAHAHAHA. Makupad talaga ang PNP dyan! Ang dami nila press release pero kulang sa kilos! Asa pa kayo! Isa isahin nyo na lahat me baril dyan sa area. interviehin nyo mga tao sa lugar. mag ikot kayo. gamitin nyo intelligence nyo. imbestigahan nyo agad yun mga me baril. tignan nyo kung pinalitan mga barrel at parts. Kung may bisita na dumating. kasi madami lasenggo na may baril. iinom at magyayabang. Sa totoo lang, mahina PNP sa enforcement at investigation.

  • lagotka

    BAN GUNS!  THOUS HALT NOT KILL!

  • http://inquirer.net unokritiko

    for crime lab technician, to make sample of  of slug fire it in similar position and angle that killed nicole that is in vertical not horizontal as you do it in the normal way. the weight of the slug that leaves the barrel has different impression because of it. Physics my dear fellow!!!!!
    and to the lady prosecutor of caloocan has a different level of knowledge and it is near the
    embicile intellegince!!!
    you cannot really solve the crime if you have this kind of people manning the govt.

  • alex_diaz2014

    Sad to say, madaling makakalusot si Agus at yung kanyang tatlong kasama, mag guilty plea na agad sila dun sa charge ng alarm and scandal, para may defense na sila ng double jeopardy at hindi na sila pwedeng sampahan ng mas mabigat na kaso… 

  • http://Inquirer.net/ AlzheimersC

    Bumili na lang tayo ng helmet ng sundalo at isuot tuwing new year celebrations!  :) :) :)

  • http://Inquirer.net/ AlzheimersC

    Bullet proof vests din kung may extrang pera ka pa! hehe..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

    Before the others will comment based on ignorance, or as always, those who wish to comment based on kanto logic, the thinking process of those without brains or education, please be informed that the law itself states:

    DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS
    The elements are:
    1. The accused shot at another with a firearm.
    2. He had no intent to kill. (Art. 254)
    If the firearm was directed at a person and the trigger was pressed but did not fire, the crime is frustrated discharge of firearm. (Dec. Sup. Ct. of Spain, Jan. 18, 1905) If the discharge is not directed at a person, the crime may constitute alarm or scandal. (Art. 155) If serious physical injuries resulted from the discharge, the crime committed is the complex crime of serious physical injuries with illegal discharge of firearm. (People v. Arquiza, 62 Phil. 611)
    Firing a gun at a person even if merely to frighten him constitutes illegal discharge of firearms. (People v. Ramirez, 10 Phil. 409)

    • http://twitter.com/wadjitzain coty

       ha ha if the North Koreans fires their nuclear tipped missiles and hits the Philippines and claim they did not do it on purpose, going through your logic, they are to be blameless?!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

        Not MY logic. It’s the law since 1934.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BQ3ZZ7UKLRGHXAV7LMDSXWM5IQ Nong

        ang common sense ng iba.. possibleng taa.. hindi naman ugma sa nakasulat sa batas…pag tinuloy mo dismiss ang kaso..
        kaya’t dapat magaling sa common sense ang mga congresista para masabatas ang tamang common sense..pero ang tagabatas natin.. mahilig sa common pork at di common sense.. kasi mas gusto ng botante ang pork mua bago ang batas…lol

    • Komen To

      You are exactly right about the law on alarm and scandal and the illegal discharge. But this is a forum, sharing people’s thoughts on the accidents which hopefully will enlighten not only the people reading but the law makers on the definitions of old laws. Obviously the law on illegal discharge has to be reviewed and modified as pointing guns upward while firing them is as dangerous as pointing them to innocent people

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Psiitoon-Charoenkrung/100001362990665 Jane Deasis Villena

    There will always be killing and people killed by guns not unless the government place an effective gun control.  Crimes are continually rising because guns are available like candies.  We are becoming like the wild west of old America.  The use of guns must be strictly controlled and private armies disbanded to curb the rising crime in the country

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    the solution

    TOTAL GUN BAN!

    this will be a test on the president’st political will…a gun enthusiast also…

    • http://twitter.com/wadjitzain coty

       too bad it will be classified as “highly very unlikely”! they, from Batasan would like to work pronto on a a very profitable undertaking when it resumes, the “Divorce Bill”

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        a presidential decree or executive order will do a total gun ban…

        that is the call of the president…

  • Komen To

    “dismissed the charge of illegal discharge of firearms for lack of evidence, approving charges of alarm and scandal only” is this for real? Even after the guy admitted to having fired his gun, you need a witness to prove there was a discharge?

    No proof it was aimed at a person, that means if I fire the gun up, not aiming at anybody, that is only alarm and scandal? Valte was saying that indiscriminate firing falls under illegal discharge. And letting your drunk buddies use your gun is not negligence? How come a father who does not keep his gun properly then his young kid is able to use it and hurts someone, the father is charged negligence?

    Am I reading a very serious lapse in our judiciary? Sec. De Lima, pls explain why the charges were dropped.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rvn.pepito.54 Rvn Pepito

      Komen To, I agree with you why the charges was dropped due to lack of witness if Agus himself testify that He fired his gun with his friends….this is enough evidence….

      But contrary to your comments pointing to Sec De Lima to explain why the case was dropped is absolutely a mistake…….please read carefully and be prudent if you dont know the law please refrain of making comments….its you who said lapse in judiciary….Sec De Lima is under executive branch and not in judiciary branch….this is the reason why Sec De lima order NBI for parallel investigation as NBI under the Sec De Lima jurisdiction.

      Sana mag basa tayo ng mabuti and substantiate or validate para maganda ang balita kaya nag kagulo tayo dahil sa mali nating comments 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

        Whatever Agus said, its different at the actual investigation. Remember your constitutional rights? A confession has to be in writing in the presence of the lawyer of the accused.

      • Komen To

        Thanks for your thoughts Pepito. The prosecutor is the one under the judiciary whom I believe made the lapses, not de Lima. I was simply asking Sec. De Lima, who is, you are right under executive, to help and explain, if its really proper to drop the other charges, since she is the head of DOJ. But in today’s news, I heard the secretary has already question the dropping of charges. I hope I have clarified and cooled your anxiety a bit. Cheers

    • mangTASYO

      Yes, very very disturbing…it is a residential area and thickly populated.  Kahit na hindi mo ito itutok if you hit the trigger at any given angle…horizontal, vertical or even 90 deg…pagbaba ng bala…it poses a danger…and the guy Agus, et al, reasonably aware of it.  Ano kaya kung si Nida Gravino ang tinamaan…scandal lang ang kaso?  

      Gravino, grabe na ito.  Sec De Lima…may we have your attention, pls!

      Otherwise, we will call the attention of all gun owners na pumunta sa paligid ng bahay ni Gravino at iputok ang kanilang mga baril pataas…basta wag lang itutok sa tao! Tingnan natin kung scandal lang ang ikaso sa inyo.

      • Komen To

        Tama ka mangTasyo. Kahit exaggeration ang paliwanag mo, mas madali itong naintindihan. Sabihin mo lang kelang kelan kayo pupunta sa paligid ng bagay at baka magyaya pa ko ng kasama. Alarm and scandal lang pala at P1,000 lang ang multa

    • litobetita

      I agree with you. This comment / argument…….”dismissed the charge of illegal discharge of firearms for lack of evidence, approving charges of alarm and scandal only”….is a stupid one coming from a very stupid person.

      • litobetita

        If this is based on the law, then our law makers should check on this and revise it to plug the loopholes. Ito ang mas dapat pinagkaka ablahan nila….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    If the guns are not registered and their owners licensed to have them, the guns are to be confiscated by the police/military and the owners fined P50,000 for illegal possession.
    It’s time to start reporting your neighbors who have illegal firearms.  Let them prove to the authorities that they have the proper permits.

  • boypalabobo

    Guns have one real purpose – KILL.  
    How complicated does this “debate” have to get to set priorities?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DU5GH5NS3O7DOI54MNUPTTHVY4 B88C

    Actually, if the PNP are more efficient in controlling criminality, ordinary citizens wouldn’t be that keen on having guns of their own.

    • pinoypower

      The community has a vital role in controlling criminality and lawlessness too. The citizens must be vigilant and must report criminal activities and suspicious elements in their areas. It is very unlikely that no one saw the people who fired their guns in Tala one of which killed Nicole. They must think that the same fate could happen to them in future if these indiscriminate firings are not stopped.

  • Yobhtron

    Implement total gun ban.  

  • mangTASYO

    Very, very disturbing…it is a residential area and thickly populated.  Kahit na hindi mo ito itutok sa tao, if you hit the trigger at any given angle…horizontal, vertical or even 90 deg…pagbaba ng bala…it poses a danger…and the guy Agus, et al, reasonably aware of it.  Ano kaya kung si Nida Gravino ang tinamaan…scandal lang ang kaso?
     
    Gravino, grabe na ito.

    Sec De Lima…may we have your attention, pls!

    Otherwise, we will call the attention of all gun owners na pumunta sa paligid ng bahay ni Gravino at iputok ang kanilang mga baril pataas…basta wag lang itutok sa tao! Tingnan natin kung scandal lang ang ikaso sa inyo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MDAWMT3LIDHOCW7ZTSYXZEUQQ4 ghe

    We should ask the help of foreign experts like ‘CSI’ in the United States and learn from them.

    • alienpatriot

       I hope that this a joke. The United States is ‘disease central’ as far as gun violence problems are concerned.

  • pinoypower

    A law must be enacted providing for high fines like 100,000 pesos for indiscriminate firing and giving this amount as reward to whoever will report the incident. This is a practical solution that is guaranteed to control the problems of deaths and injuries from indiscriminate firing. Sa hirap ng buhay ngayon tiyak di pa bumabagsak ang stray bullet sa lupa may tatawag na agad sa pulis kung sino ang nagpaputok.

    • alienpatriot

      That idea has some merit but the bigger problem is the number of gun owners. We must begin to see gun ownership as a privelege, not a right. If someone wants to have a gun they should show themselves to have a need for it.

  • Garote

    Here is another idi@tic article. It’s targeting on gun owners who are innocent. The author  is insinuating that the gun owners may be responsible, so there would be a stricter gun control or gun confiscation. We have always been under  gun control ever since. Nobody is going to kill a child with a gun that can be traced back to him. It’s obvious that the strayed bullets came from a loose firearm, not a registered one; or if it’s registered it’s highly probable that the owner is an AFP and PNP personnel. It has always been the case every new year’s eve that the drunk personnel in uniform were responsible for indiscriminate gun firing. What makes the author think otherwise now? Has the UN’s evil agenda — that wants a global gun control in order to enslave us all globally — affected the author’s journalistic principle in seeking the truth?

    • litobetita

      My neighbor is neither a policeman or a soldier and he owned a license gun which he fired anytime he feels he want to. At one time, he fired and hit a neighbors house’s window. He was charged but they settle amicably. His alibi? He shoot a dog that is very noisy but unintentionally hit the house in the process. Last new year, he fired again. So it is not always the soldier or men in uniform who violated the law….and it doesn’t matter whether it is licensed or not. He may not directly or intentionally hit other people but may have accidentally hit somebody when firing even if it is pointed in the air. Forget about the fact that “what comes up must come down”? Even if the percentage of hitting somebody is every low, there is still a chance that it might!  

    • malek_abdul

      Not all gun owners (licensed or loose) are responsible. Otherwise there would be no casualties and victims of indiscriminate discharge of guns and firearms due to stray bullets. I’ve seen in the past a lot of gun owners discharge their firearms/guns indiscriminately some of them civilians, politicians and some active and AWOL policemen and military men. I think its proper for these gun owners be investigated. Someone’s life has been taken due to the irresponsible gun owners.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5TENDBNOVQRJEKFPV76D2N4XUM Socorro

    The Pinoy admin should look closely at these, Pinoy’s appointed chief should prove and make concrete actions on the loose firearms. We do not need talks anymore we do need actions now.Do not make speeches, puro naman sugar coated. marami ng may diabetes sa Pinas.

  • aldhins

    Dapat  death sentence na sa  mga drug lord na nahuhuli sa ating bansa karamihan na pumapatay ng karumal dumal lango sa droga,  at higpitan rin pagbibigay ng lesensya sa mga taong gusto mag ka roon ng baril , ang problema ultimo hirap sa buhay may baril na lesensyado di naman masama may baril kung proctection  sa familya ang dahilan aminin  natin di tyo kayang bantayan ng police dahil kulang sila ng tauhan.

  • Ferdinand Poe

    Accidents happen if there are some reason like for example the indiscriminate licensing or selling anything that can cause harm more particularly guns that are made to kill. No exemption to this like some allegation that the holder (with or without license) is responsible. As I believe arms or guns are made to kill or harm nothing more. I therefore believe that without arms/guns or other means that can harm or kill should be strictly controlled if not banned at all!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T4UWEQIDXLS7RQXY2DDQTV6MNE carol

    Bakit pinababayaan ng magulang na nasa labas ang mga bata sa New Years eve,
    pwedeng maputukan or madisgransya. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KDQTHKAP7WYAMEDH46MFVVBZNE . .

      Carol before ka mag comment pwd po basahin mo muna ung ibang news about Nicole.

  • bugoybanggers

    Kanya kanyang tanggihan na naman ito. Buti pa itong sumuko at hinarap niya ang kamalian na nagpaputok nga siya. Dapat ang ganitong tao ay tularan! Dati siyang PSG Intelligence? Magaling ka kabayan, nagpaka-lalaki ka nga. Hindi tulad sa iba diyan na nauuna pa sa pag TAGO sa SALAWAL ng tatay nila. OO nga yung mga duwag ang magaling magtago at tumanggi lalo na’t may kamag anak pang consintidor.

  • gilbs72

    Sana may liability din ang licensing officers (pati yung psychiatric examiner) kahit paano kung may mga mabigat na pangyayaring ganito, para maging mas mahigpit o mas maingat sa pagpasa ng mga aplikante. Gamitin ang mga incidents na ito as basis for promotion/demotion nila, or suspension.  Less harm kung di nakapagbigay ng lisensya sa karamihan (there are other ways of protecting yourself). Sa ngayon kasi walang liability, so basta may contact ang mga gun stores or gun clubs, napakabilis mag-approve.  Yung mga nagpaputok sa QC (o Kalookan ba yun) may lisensya pala, yung mga nanunutok sa kalsada may lisensya, kahit na yung mga sasakyang may PROGUN, PPSA stickers eh nambu-bully sa kalsada.  Etong sa Kawit nga eh known trigger-happy pala, eh may lisensya pa pala para sa M-16 (ayon sa balita).  Di totoo na kapag licensed owner ay responsable or “peaceful, responsible owner (PROGUN)”, totoo lang yan kapag iiwasan sila ng ibang taong mainit ang ulo.

  • Rogers Nelson Uy

    ngayong alam nyo ng maraming baril nagkalat jan pa lang sa barangay na yan, ano gagawin nyo sa susunod na papasok ang bagong taon? Marami kyong pwede gawin, isa ang maglagay kayo ng taga bantay sa susunod na darating ng bisperas ng bagong taon kung sino sino ang magpapaputok ng mga baril diyan, at mas maganda romonda kyo kung saan saan kung san lugar merong magpapaputok ng mga baril, wag lang kayong tamaan ng ligaw na bala.

  • kalikasanipagtanggol

    kumuha ng search warrants ang mga kapulisan para halughugin ang mga bahay ng may may lisensiyado baril at yung nasa vicinity na pinanggalingan ng bala na tumama sa biktima…..sigurado yun lisensiyado baril ay madadagdagan ng mga hindi lisensiyado kahit na duon sa mga legal gun owners kasama na yun dati intel…….maaari may iba pa siya baril bukod duon sa 9mm na nakuha! yung mga pulis nga na iba may iba baril na hindi lisensiyado sila pa kaya……



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