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CBCP to push probe of voting machines

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CEBU CITY—The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) believes the computerized voting machines successfully used in the 2010 elections are flawed and he wants them thoroughly examined before these are used in next year’s midterm elections.

Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma’s doubts about the precinct count optical scan (PCOS) machines echo those of Sen. Aquilino Pimentel III, who has been saying for some time that the voting machines are not perfect.

On Wednesday, Pimentel called on the country’s computer experts to join the hunt for glitches in the source codes that the Commission on Elections (Comelec) will use in the machines.

Made by the Argentinian company Smartmatic International, the PCOS machine uses paper ballots and counts the votes.

The machine may be turned on by using a security key entrusted to the polling precinct’s board of election inspectors.

Security pins are needed to configure the machine and show that there is no entry or vote in its memory.

The machine scans the marked ballots fed into it by voters. At the end of the balloting, the machine counts the votes and prints the returns.

The returns can be electronically transmitted to the Comelec central server and the board of canvassers at the municipal, city, provincial and national levels.

Defective machine

Palma, CBCP president, told a news conference at the Archbishop’s Palace on Wednesday that he believed the PCOS machines had defects.

“I, for one, can tell, or I will say I’m not ashamed to tell people that I also believe [the PCOS machine has defects]. It has to be examined and that is part of the agenda of the CBCP,” Palma said.

Palma was responding to a question about the possibility that the PCOS machines could still be manipulated and used in cheating, like what happened in some parts of the country in 2010.

He said the PCOS machine would be on the agenda of the CBCP meeting in January.

Palma said the conference would discuss the voting machines because many people had reason to believe that the machines had “a lot of defects.”

But Cebu Provincial Election Supervisor Lionel Marco Castillano said the PCOS machines were not defective.

Castillano said the Comelec had plans to put in additional features in the PCOS machines to enhance its security and integrity for next year’s elections.

“We assure the public that the Comelec will not agree to the use of defective PCOS machines [in the elections],” he said.

“We will not compromise the integrity of the elections just to push through with the polls. If the PCOS machines are defective, then we will not use these.”

Never proven

He maintained that the accusations that the PCOS machines were used to cheat in the 2010 elections had not been proven.

Castillano recalled that in the court proceedings on the election protests questioning the results of PCOS count, the manual count showed the same results as the computerized count.

He cited as an example the protest of a losing candidate in San Fernando town in Cebu province where the court recount showed the same results as the PCOS count.

Pimentel, chairman of the Senate committee on electoral reforms and a reelectionist on the administration ticket, called on the Comelec to be less restrictive in having experts examine the source codes that would be used in the PCOS machines.

Pimentel said the Comelec should allow the source codes to be examined outside the commission’s premises.

Voters’ trust

“Our objective is to bring back the trust of the people in the Comelec and the elections,” Pimentel said in a statement.

“A review of the source codes would allow the detection of glitches, flaws and vulnerabilities in our electronic electoral system,” he said.

“Such flaws in the software and the hardware that use them must be detected and corrected if the 2013 and succeeding elections are to be protected from sabotage or attempts to favor any particular candidate,” Pimentel added.

Pimentel invited the country’s information technology experts to volunteer to help review the PCOS source codes.

He said the Senate panel on electoral reforms would gather together the experts for the examination of the codes for flaws that may be used for sabotage and fraud.—With reports from Norman Bordadora in Manila and Inquirer Research


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Tags: Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) , Elections , Jose Palma , Philippines , precinct count optical scan (PCOS) machines , Probe , voting machines


  • acaldejr

    Kahit computerized yan, there will always be glitches.  But it is a lot lot lot better than manual voting and counting.  Oh gee, these CBCP is really getting in to my nerves.  Sawang sawa na ako sa inyo.  Yang mga pari nga na lang ang bantayan ninyo?

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    Separation of church and state Padre Damaso

    GlorIa bribed to Mitsubishop and Safari Butuan City Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos, who received a Mitsubishi Montero, Bontoc-Lagawe Bishop Rodolfo Beltran (Nissan Pathfinder), Abra Bishop Leopoldo Jaucian (Mitsubishi Strada), Cotabato Archbishop Orlando Quevedo (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace), Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad (Mitsubishi Strada), Zamboanga Archbishop Romulo Valles (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace); and Nueva Segovia Archbishop Ernesto Salgado (Isuzu Crosswind).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      After nine years of being bribed by GMA, the corrupt Bishops get nothing from Pnoy.  That’s why they keep attacking Pnoy on every issue.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      Ang galing po nila ano? Kahanga-hanga… kagalang-galang…..Dapat pamarisan! Makahingi nga rin ng kahit TOYOTA Hi-Lux man lang. OBISPO din kaya ako. My name is MARCO P. OBISPO. Hahahahahaha. ANG KAKAPAL NILA!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/H4INAGLB7BOCJ4EVP3ZWJQRQ74 itsumo

      Si PGMA at Cebu gov GARCIA ay parehong paraan sa pamamalakad ng pwesto. Kaya nga si Bishop Palma apektado ngayon,

      Pareho din sila mga kapamilya nila may mga pwesto rin sa congresso kaya nga lalong titigas talaga.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory

    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.

    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States: 

    “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how 

    National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it 

    to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse Crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      As usual, the Catholic apologists would say the priests are only humans who commit mistakes.  End of argument.

      • Guest

         No wonder why impunity is so rampant here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/H4INAGLB7BOCJ4EVP3ZWJQRQ74 itsumo

    Just ask the DOTA experts maybe they can help.

    Takot lang siguro si bishop Palma, baka yung mga paboritong trapo na politicians siguradong matatalo ngayong 2013 elections. Gawing PCOS ang dahilan sa kanilang pagkatalo.

  • Russell Ariola

    Hay naku meron nang embistigasyon sa Senado tungkol dito. Sana ang pagtuunan na lang ng pansin ng CBCP ay ang pag-aralin nitong mga pare natin sa mga makabagong sulatin at panuntunan ng Vatican, tulad halimbawa sa pagpapa-unlak ng Santo Papa sa deborsyo sa Amerika at Europa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    There goes CBCP again.  After being knocked out by RH Bill, they now question the voting machine to create a scenario that next year’s election’s cheating by those pro-RH candidates.

  • pasaway008ako

    Pumapapel yata ang CBCP a. Mayroon na bang magandang nagawa ang CBCP? Ang ginagawa lang yata ng mga taga CBCP ay manggulo sa adhikin ng bayan para tumino a.

  • GlenMJacob

    Wow the Bishops now are experts on election. Where were they when the Filipinos were still counting paper ballots for days ? It was the nuns who are on the front line during the Marcos and post Marcos period who risks their lives protecting the will of the people! In the first place as Russell below has said the senate did an investigation already. What gives?. Are our bishops nothing else to do? Please divert your energies on the true mission of the church, educate the flock, or maybe the Philippine bishops needs re-training. Paging Vatican hello….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z2ZAPSK7SNDIUAF2ZI5EIZUIC4 allan

    Nag-aagawan na naman ng kapangyarihan ang dalawang ganid na institusyon…kawawang Juan.

  • quirinomayer

    Could you imagine Christ and the disciples getting involved in the process of selecting civil authorities during their time? Christ and the disciples practiced separation of state and church.These false teachers obviously do not. These modern-day and power-hungry Pharisees want to have the whole coin – the side which belongs to  God and the side which belongs to Caesar.  

    SHUT UP, PADRE DAMASO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

       Hahahaha! “USKOT” PADRE DAMASO! USKOT means keep your mouth shut.

      • Guest

         You keep your mouth shut.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        Ikaw Guest, gusto mo bang shootingin ko bunganga mo? Ano ba gusto mo, talong o upo? 

  • opinyonlangpo

    Nothing wrong with the machines, the defect lies on the people handling them. The CBCP can help avoid this by instructing their clergy to preach honesty to the people and not get bribed by pajeros and so on.

    • mamer2

      Yeah.
      Just like “Guns do not kill. People do”

  • Guest

    With all due respect, but isn’t that COMELEC’s job?

  • Kate Gordon

    Wow! in which galaxy does cbcp become computer experts?!   Oh I forgot, forget galaxy, cbcp still thinks the universe rolls around the earth!   

    Cbcp, we will allow you to investigate the machines only if you allow us to look into the personal records of your priests and yourselves!  Anyway cbcp does not recognize the separation of church and state right?  

    And while we are in this subject, cbcp, take out your right of protection from litigation!  Unlike you, the rest of us believe in equality under law! 

  • Pedro_Gil

    Lord, forgive and teach them for they know not what they’re doing.

    • Ross18

       Hahahaha….good one Pedro.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

       Will said Pedro! Go!go!go!

  • erap_ng_masa_1969

    CBCP-Comelec Bishops Conference of the Philippines

  • josefe38

    Tama lang na pangunahan ng CBCP ang malalimang pagsasaliksik sa katatagan at kaligtasan ng buong system ng PCOS machine. Bilang simbahan na ang nais lang naman ay isang malinis ,matiwasay at katanggap-tanggap na resulta  sa halalan, ito’y tanggap at suportahan ng lahat na mamamayan na bitbit ang kahalintulad na mithi-in, ang malinis na halalan na magloklok ng mga opisyal na totoong halal ng bayan.

      Sa mga mabababaw ang pag-iisip o kaya ayaw ng malinis na halalan at nais mandaya, sila yung bumabatikos sa hangarin ng simbahan. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EU56OS2ATEZ27LRS2Y7UWERATE Jovy

    Naki-alam nanaman ang mga pare. Please don’t you guys have anything better to do?

  • mucho_cheapo

    Once again, quit meddling in the affairs of the State. CBCP should concentrate on spreading the Gospel of the Lord which, given the state of affaiirs of the country, have failed miserably.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

      Good suggestion! Wish they followed that in February 1986.

      • mtxinu

         Are you suggesting that Marcos would have not been kicked out if it wasn’t for the meddling of the Catholic Church? I think you are making bold inaccurate assumptions here.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/P4PIU2AIGVXJNQ4UBH5X64MSFE mr

        yes, and now they want Cory to become a saint, she never helped the poor farmers in their hacienda and even have them massacred at Mendiola.

      • mamer2

        The Catholic Church, under the leadership of Cardinal Sin was able to “gel the people to unite against the Dictator Marcos and his minions.”

        Without Cardinal Sin calling for the gathering of ‘concerned citizens’,,, 
        I doubt if anyone would have been able to unite a “force, strong enough to PUSH Marcos out of power”.

  • Yobhtron

    The only thing that is flawed and needs thoroughly examined is the political tendencies of the CBCP.  Demet! The PCOS machines is much more accurate than manual voting.  Damaso Palma’s favorite child Gwen Garcia will surely lose in the coming election.

    • jurbinsky77

      WIthout naming Gwen Garcia, she was mentioned in an opinion article, as the “kabit” of the governor of Cebu, that she became powerful  enough to run for elective office, Baby Arenas is there .. and the concubiines of Joseph Estrada.

  • josefe38

    Tama lang na pangunahan ng CBCP o kung gusto (kung gusto lang naman) ng ibang malalaking simbahan gaya ng UCCP, INC, etc., ang malalimang pagsasaliksik sa katatagan at kaligtasan ng buong system ng PCOS machine. Bilang simbahan na ang nais lang naman ay isang malinis ,matiwasay at katanggap-tanggap na resulta  sa halalan, ito’y tanggap at suportahan ng lahat na mamamayan na bitbit ang kahalintulad na mithi-in, ang malinis na halalan na magloklok ng mga opisyal na totoong halal ng bayan.
      Sa mga mabababaw ang pag-iisip o kaya ayaw ng malinis na halalan at nais mandaya, sila yung bumabatikos sa hangarin ng simbahan.

  • basilionisisa

    hindi dapat binibigyan ng pansin ang mga PANGUGULONG ganito na dati nang napatunayan na wala basehan at di totoo, kung walang bagong ebidensyang mahigpit na nagpapatunay sa alegasyon. Dapat may batas tayo against NUISANCE or TIME-WASTING sa mga civilians na nagsasampa ng katulad nitong alegasyon, na pag ‘pinatulan’ ng korte at inimbistigahan at napatunayang walang katotohan at PANG-AABALA lang ang talagang pakay, na dapat silang magmulta o makulong.

    at itong si Pimentel, sya lang ang walang Trust sa Comelec idinadawit pa ang buong bayan.

    at hindi siguro naiintindihan ang contract sa PCOS, tyak Rights lang sa ‘paggamit’ sa Application or System ang binayaran dyan kaya hindi ‘ipapabusisi’ ng PCOS ang source (programs) nila. You may TEST it, try to BREAK it as much as you like, pero tyak hindi ‘ibibigay’ sa inyo ang source nyan, intellectual property nila yan.

    tapos sasabit-sabit itong walang-magawang mga Bishops… napapailing na lang siguro ang mga santo’t anghel sa Langit sa stubborness, arrogance at vindictiveness ng mga ito. Lost cause na talaga ang mga bishops sa Pilipinas.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Lekat talaga itong mga ipokritong nakasuot abito.  Katatapos pa lang ng buntisan issue, botohan naman ang gustung panghimasukan?

  • kapayapaan_1900

    In fairness to the CBCP, it is but right to say their concern is legit!  Better watch out!  Smartmatic machines which were used in the first computerized election in the Philippines and touted a success in the speedy counting of votes are in play again.  So many questions hurled by IT experts questioning the 2010 election results are still unanswered to-date.  With billions of pesos tainted with Filipino blood at their disposal and with the current composition of the COMELEC plantilla from the national down to the local level whose loyalty to their political patron comes first, corrupt politicians, in cahoot with the corruptible telecommunications industry whose facilities are used to transmit the election results to the server inside the COMELEC, can easily manipulate results of the coming election.  I worry about the result of those survey showing the much reviled personality landing in the top ten in the senatorial winning column.  Is this a conditioning of the public mind?  I could be wrong but I always knew corrupt politicians are always one step ahead of us.

    Calling edverybody specially all Filipino IT experts (one of the best in the world) who still love your country:  vigilance is the name of the game..         

    • 33Sambuang

      cbcp sucks. they should not meddle in politics. instead they should concentrate on helping the poor and disciplining their pedophile, maniac priest..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      What in fairness to CBCP?  CBCP has not been fair.  CBCP said and did nothing during the “Hello Garci” scandal and all those cheatings.  For nine years, they were mum on GMA’s abuses and corruption because they benefited from her.

  • boshog

    Bishops what the hell is your business dictating to the government what to do.  A little common sense should tell to keep out of things that don’t concern the church.  If you pay taxes maybe you can be entitled to participate actively in government.  Meanwhile tend to your church..you are declining in followers.

    • ambugon

      I would rather listen and engage in ‘kwentong barbero’ rather than read these one and two liner comments in this paper.  
       

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        I would rather suggest if you better go to the barber shop and trim your baldy hair. You are insinuating your nonsense comments that full of pretentious. Shame on you!

      • mamer2

        Then “do what you’d rather do”. 
        No one is stopping you.

  • Pork_Republik

    Oy, CBCP ano na ang status nun obispo diyan sa diocese ng Paranaque? Inuna niyo na naman ang politika kesa ayusin ang house ni Lord, amen? 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/P4PIU2AIGVXJNQ4UBH5X64MSFE mr

      Anong house ni Lord, ginagawa ngang bahay aliwan mga kombento nila.

      • mamer2

        Another “evil spreading lies”.
        Any SOLID proof in what you are saying, mr…?

  • Platypus09

    I agree. They should watch everything that affects fair elections.

    With their defeat on RH bill, they will step their games up. They have no choice, win or lose.

  • okabato

    Hehehe … nakialam na naman ang mga saserdote, sinawsaw na naman ang kanilang mga darili sa mundo ng pulitika si Pnoy kasi pasimuno ng RH at ngayon ang Divorce. Susunod dito ang pahayag na duda sila sa resulta ng PCOS machines nun 2010 election sasabihin nila hindi talaga si Pnoy ang nanalo kundi si Erap.

    • mamer2

      Pnoy has never said that he is for “Divorce”.
      In fact, he said that he won’t support any move to pass any “Divorce Bill”.

      Saying that Erap won in the 2010 Election is an “Outright LIE”.
      You have no evidence, whatsoever.
      (You just wish that Erap won.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TRUL7WO4HJPGNVCKIHP4PTZGX4 Mark

    These bishops should not meddle on issues they do not have any competence.  They are making things worse all the time instead of contributing.  How can he believe that these machines have defects?  does he have any evidence to show his claim?  Are we to believe his opinion knowing he has no computer/software programming background?

    • mtxinu

       I agree completely. If he wants to express his opinion as a citizen and is concerned about the machine that’s one thing. But to say “I, for one, can tell, or I will say I’m not ashamed to tell people that
      I also believe [the PCOS machine has defects]. It has to be examined
      and that is part of the agenda of the CBCP” is totally ludicrous. The CBCP has no business in the affairs of the government nor in politics. I really am confused to the motive and even objective on the existence of this group. Shameful!

    • TinimbangNgunitKulang

      Nagpapapogi lang ang mga iyan after they lost face with the RH bill passage.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P4PIU2AIGVXJNQ4UBH5X64MSFE mr

    Nakialam na naman mga bading na pareng Katokliko. Gusto pa yatang bumalik ang Pinas sa mano manong botohan na puro dayaan kagaya ng ginawa ni Glorya at mga galamay na Ampawtuan at Hello Garci. Hoy, mga bobong pare, magkolekta na lang kayo ng mga abuloya para naman meron kayong pangtustos sa mga boy toy nyo na mga teenagers, wag na kayong makisawsaw sa politika.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

    Mahilig kasi makialam at maki-sawsaw sa politika itong mga ito (CBCP) kaya lalong nagkakagulo ang sambayanan. Kaya tuloy nawawalan na ng tiwala at respeto ang mga tao sa inyo. Dapat ang atupagin po ninyo ay ang religious sanctity lang ng simbahan. Separation of church and state is more important. Bakit ba kayo nakikialam sa politika at gobyerno? Kasi dahil sa mga visted interests ninyo. Di po ba? Hindi kata-taka, maraming mga katoliko ang umanib or lumipat  na sa ibang relehiyon dahil na rin sa pakiki-sawsaw nyo sa politika. Ako katoliko din ako, pero dahil sa mga pinang-gagawa nyo, nag babalak na rin ako umiba at lumipat ng ibang relehiyon. Dapat lagyan nyo ng boundary ang function nyo sa simbahan at politika. Kong may natititara pa kayong hiya at delikadesa, sana tigilan nyo na ang panghihmasok sa politika ng Pilipinas.

    • ambugon

      hindi mo naiintindihan ang separation of church and state principle. magresearch ka muna bago ka mag-comment.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        Ikaw siguro ang dapat mag research kaibigan Dindo Fernando, este Ballebar pala. Baka nabubulagan ka lang o di kaya nag bulag-bulagan…. Pakibasa nga po ang mga comments sa ibaba. Ilang percentage ba sa tingin mo ang umaayon sa ginagawang ito ng mga minamahal nating CBCP. Suriin mong maige. Almost 98% of comments being shared here-under are all negative, thereby against CBCP’s action(s) within the political structure in the Philippine society. Magbasa ka kaibigan.

      • $19291130

        Tama!!!  Nagiging masama tuloy ang Church ng dahil sa mga nakikialam sa politics.  Ayunnnn ang daming mahihirap at hindi nila tulungan kung bakit mga politics pinapakialaman…ONDOY, SENDONG, PABLO at mga NASUNUGAN nakialam ba ang mga OBISPO?  Tumulong ba sila?  Gusto ninyo bow lang ng bow sa inyo ang mga presidente at kung ano ang hingin ninyo bigay lang bigay..PAJERO…..Amen…

    • Filpino

      napadaan ka ba sa mga simbahan nitong simbang gabi? hindi mo ba nakita ang dami ng mga nagsisimba? inggit ka ano? dami parin kami kahit kaliwa’t kanan ang bira nyo.

      mga hunghang kasi kayo. tingin namin sa mga katulad nyo kawawa dapat ipagdasal ng maliwanagan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        Tama ka kaibigan. Ipagdasal mo na lang kami na maliwanagan ang isipan namin sa katotohanan. Katotohanang ang mga leader sana ng simbahan ay hindi na nakikialam sa sestima ng politika at pamalakad ng gobyerno. They should set good example to the parishioners and believers of the Catholic Church. Bakit kaya hindi nalang sila lumabas sa pagka obispo o pagkapare and run for public office. Mas makakabuti pa sa public image nila.

        Alam mo, pareho rin naman tayong nag-simbang gabi, hindi sa mga pare’t obispo ako nanampalataya. Deretso akong nanalangin sa Mahal na Panginoon. Ikaw, ano ba ang niluluhuran mo? Nagtatanong lang po?

  • KapitanBagwis

    Ano na ba talaga ang papel nitong mga ungas na Obispo na ito?

    Unconstitutional na siguro ang ginagawang pakikialam ng grupong ito sa pamamalakad ng gobyerno.

    Oras na siguro para itakwil ng mga kasapi sa lokal na RCC ang simbahang katolika.. Hindi ang paniniwala sa Diyos ang itatakwil kundi ang paniniwala sa mga Obispong sakim sa kapangyarihan.

    Politaka na ang inaatupag, hindi ang pangangaral at kahalagahan ng salita ng Diyos.

    Ginagamit ang pulpito upang magalit ang tao sa pamahalaan. Mga ipokrito.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

       Tompak! Mabuhay ka. Kaisa mo ako kaibigan…

    • Filpino

      bakit ka magagalit sa kapakanan naman ng bayan ang pagpuna nila? masama bang i question ang anomalya sa eleksyon?

      kapag nagsawalang kibo naman ang simbahan tinitira nyo na puro pera lang ang alam.

      bakit noong panahon ba na andito si Jesus sa Israel hindi ba nakialam ang mga high priest sa pulitikal na pamamalakad ng mga romano?

      Ang pagboto ba ng INC ni manalo na “block voting” hindi ba maituturing na pakikialam sa pulitika gayong di nila hinahayaan ang mga members nila na makapagdesisyon?

      Ang pag-eendorso bo ng mga pastor sa partikular na mga kandidato di rin ba pangingialam?

      Ang Diyos ba walang pakialam sa pulitikal sa buhay ng tao?

      sobra bang talino at linis ng mga pulitiko na hindi na sila magkakamali?

      o sobrang dumi nila na dapat di na sila pakialaman?

      • mabyrik

        A piece of advice, please go back to the year 2004 when FPJ was cheated by GMA and a bishop’s statement “Everybody cheats anyway”. 

        Maybe, you will be awaken. These bishops, have zero credibility to issue statemnet in regards to election cheating. 

        Sorry Bro, but they deserve this kind of treatment from the citizenry of this republic.

      • KapitanBagwis

        “Ang Diyos ba walang pakialam sa pulitikal sa buhay ng tao?” – Saan mo nakuha ito? Saan sa banal na kasulatan nasasaad na nakialam ang Panginoong Hesukristo sa mga bagay na politikal ?

        Malayong malayo ang sagot mo sa komentaryo at opinyon ko. Ang issue ay ang pakikialam ng mga Mitsubishop sa tungkulin ng pamahalaan. Hindi kung sino sino ang itinuturo mo.

        Para kang si ex-CJ Corona, nagtuturo, nangdaramay sa kanyang kasalanan.

  • 33Sambuang

    haysss mga obispong ungas. pakialamero talaga kayo…manahimik nga kayo. imbes na bigyan nyo ng tulong ang mga mahihirap, nagpopolitika na naman ang mga hinayupak

  • 33Sambuang

    tarantado kayong mga obispo kayo. wala na kayong magawa sa buhay ninyo. di ba halos lahat sa inyo e galamay ni GMA? MAHIYA KAYONG MGA HINAYUPAK…..

  • kayanatwo

    27dec2012

    nobody asked me, but……since when the republic of the philippines became a “church state”?????

    these bishops are having so much time on their hands that they can find time to mix their callings with “politics”, but at the same token, these same bishops can not find an hour to set up “a soup-kitchen” for this past christmas to feed the less fortunate.

    only in the philippines where roman catholic bishops are becoming the modern day “richelieu”…only in the philippines……..

    • mamer2

      Probably trying to regain “losing face”.

      It still “boils down to PRIDE”…, the Greatest Sin of All, (next to Blasphemy).

      • Filpino

        pagsama samahin man members ng sekta nyo, di parin nyo mapupuno ang baklaran hehehe.

        Nakadaan kaba sa mga simbahan nitong mga simbang gabi? Dami tao no karamihan pa kabataan hehehe.. luwa mata nyo sa inggit hehe

      • mamer2

        Hindi pinada-an sa pa-rami-rami ang katotohanan.
        Ang tama ay lalabas sa “logical discussion” and with “facts”.

    • Filpino

      ay naku sigurado ka na wala kahit pang soup man lamang?

      hirap sa inyo tira kayo ng tira sa simbahan at mga pari, sige sagarin nyo pang-iinsulto nyo sa mga kaparian. kapag na puno na kaming mga katoliko yari kayo sa gulpi.

      tahimik lang karamihan sa aming katoliko pero di nangangahulugang natutuwa kami sa mga binibintang nyo at pang-iinsulto.

      inggit na inggit siguro kayo at puno parin mga simbahan sa simbang gabi hehehe

      • KapitanBagwis

        Yan ang turo sa inyo ng mga Mitsubishop, mang gulpi hehehe kawawa naman kayong mga bulag na tagasunod sa mga sakim sa kapangyarihang mga ungas na Mitsubishop.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        Ngek-ngek mo. Catholic din po ako. Mula Kinder hanggang nakatapos ako ng Master’s Degree ko, sa Catholic Schools din ako nag tapos. But in my own principle, hindi na katanggap-tanggap tong ginagawa ng CBCP. Interfering and meddling politics is not their nuisance business. Idinadamay mo pa sa katangahan mo ang ibang Katolikong nagising na sa katotohanan.Dapat lang siguro na insultuhin sila dahil puro pansariling kapakanan lang naman ang mga ginagawa at iniisip nila. Bakit noong panahon ni Gloria, ang tahi-tahimik nila. Dahil busog na busog, hindi po ba? Ngayon kasi, hindi sila makahirit ng Mitsubishi Pajero, Prado, Montero at iba pang magagarang SUV kay Pinoy. Kaya ganoon na lang ang pagkukumahog nila. Ang mga binabae nga naman. Hay naku!    

  • DarkSideOfTheMoon2

    what is next CBCP? that all government biddings are rigged??? why dip your fingers in politics?

  • mamer2

    Yes, CBCP.
    Are you SURE that “the Computerized Voting Machines” are FLAWED.?
    If you’re NOT SURE…, it would be MUCH BETTER if you just Shut-Up and Observe.
    Do not get too involve in politics, specially if you do not have “solid proof” of any wrong-doing.
    Do not just fish for evidence to feed your ego(s). Things are already bad as it is (on your part).

  • WAJ

    CBCP Catholic Religious group as I may say are in politics again. Why don’t you just make your own political party and run for office in the government. Otherwise stop the bull shit…you have no part in political affairs.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

       Correct!!!!

  • whreyxk

    Mga ungas na mga pari. Magsitigil na kayo mga KUPAL

  • jurbinsky77

    The flaw is not in the PCOS machine, it maybe that the voters themselves wrote the right candidates’ names and yet there are spare documents where the name of the cheater has been previously written which will be run into the machine..

    I still can’t accept without reservation that Binay won in Mindanao via overwhelming number of votes. Murderer-warlords can make things happen beyond logic.

    Similarly in the States, Obama won in a county (either in Ohio or Iowa) where the number of votes is more than the number of residents and in another county, Romney received zero amid the protestation of the local Republican committee, seemingly, even the Republican poll representatives voted for Obama.

  • jurbinsky77

    In a summary judgement proceeding,where material facts will be litigated, the CBCP case will be thrown out.

    The bishops should attend to the moral well-being of the people not on politics. If they are given SUVs (not Hayun ‘day or Kia), they are quiet amid the the blatant graft and cheating.

  • $20722540

    go go Fathers!!! para matauhan ang mga taga comelec at palasyo…gagamit ng mga machines na pirated…ano ba itong administration na ire

  • saintleonardo

    Remove the bad weeds in your organization like the pajero bishops, those who received money from the politician in return for their silence for the wrong doing committed to the people. You have to restore your credibility first because at present you are credible as Lolong.

  • Platypus09

    Remember, politics in Philippines is totally different from the liberated US.

    The religious groups have been involved, from Catholic priests to Iglesia ni Cristo church, born-again church leaders, and other denominations.

    This is not going to change.

    Catholic leaders are in the fore front. I support their moves.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EOZMBB5MVRJMWVSMUIQFRF45F4 F

    fine, the priests should also probe the homosexuals in their flock who abuse children

  • UrHONOR

    >>>CBCP to push probe of voting machines<<<

    COULD been a welcome news if it were:  CBCP TO PUSH VIGOROUSLY DILIGENT PROBE OF ERRANT, CRIMINAL, AND SINNING CHURCHMEN DRESSED IN WHITE.

    The CBCP and its associates have been cavalier on animadversions about their trespassing because they think that they still have the MORAL ASCENDANCY of the society and command respect form many of the once emasculated sheeple. They are gravely mistaken. But that doesn't bother them because they just ignore it. And they won't cease doing it so until it comes to pass when they are all completely ignored by everyone else…as more and more are being ENLIGHTENED… and are CHALLENGING the old and fast-crumbling order of the pomp and circumstance of the royal hierarchy of the RCC, steeped in hypocrisy and sanctimony.

  • Platypus09

    CBCP will endorse political candidates and that is not going to change.

    Just watch, elecfions will be bloody.

    • frudo

      ok lang yun baka  di nman manalo na kasi di nman sumusunod na mga tao nila sa kanila. di na nga nanalo ang rh bill eh yun nlang ang tignan, pero sana nman wag mo panalangin na bloody ang election, gusto mo ba ng magulo? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EOZMBB5MVRJMWVSMUIQFRF45F4 F

    another thing the church should seriously probe:

    is christianity in the philippines in a downward trend due to priests being involved in politics than
    doing what they should do like saving the souls? one example is a huge number of filipinos committing suicides this decade. are the people no longer afraid of God? what are the priests preoccupied with now? 4 x 4? dirty politics? i am a Roman Catholic who is very disappointed with the church people.

  • Jomex

    A more worthwhile news would be this: “CBCP conducted investigation and arrests of its pedophile priests.”

  • Platypus09

    The predominantly Catholic and economically-developed France and Germany have religious groups influence politics heavily. Why can’t we do it here in the Philippines?

    It is going to happen.

    • UrHONOR

      >>>Why can’t we do it here in the Philippines?<<<
      THERE are not enough FRENCH and GERMANS in the Philippines?

    • JaredAko

      Yah right. Germany 30 % catholic and thats dominant already? Lets see,  30 years great war in their past because of the corrupt roman church. Have you heard of Martin Luther 99 thesis?  and if they are indeed majority in the past then RC need to answer why Hitler become their leader. Wait, yeah the RC Pope back then choose silence instead of condeming the atrocity made by Hitler against the Jews then. France, in the past yeah (and how many of their wars were also caused/encouraged by religion?). 2007 poll, 5% regular church attendee. Check their policy on state and church separation,  laïcité. 
      God, wag nyo nang payagan mayapagpag ang mga inutil na CBCP. Tamaan nyo na sila nang kidlat kaagad. 

    • Guest

       Your data must be really outdated. That was hundreds of years ago.

  • JOSE RIZAL

    plain and simple. KSP

  • mabyrik

    When GMA cheated FPJ in the 2004 presidential election, all the bishops can say was “Everyone cheats anyway”, then proceeded to clap and hailed GMA as the winner despite the massive evidences presented by FPJ. To the bishops, cheating was acceptable because “everybody cheats anyway”. 

    It also effectively sanctioned cheating as acceptable norm in winning in any election exercise and that cheating was no longer considered a a sin.

    It is now on record that the cheater whom the bishops blessed during the 2004 election is considered as the most corr upt president ever but still the bishops, because of the SUV and bribes they received from her, never said a word that her corru ption was destroying the nation but instead, continued to support her and bless her, up to this very day, confirming the people’s belief that CBCP and the bishops have distorted sense of decency and morality. 

    The bishops just ignored the tag “most cor rupt country in asia” earned during their patron’s regime and her being the most unpopular and hated president ever. 

    The bishops even blessed GMA’s top dog Corona in the hope of exonerating him in his impeachment. Unfortunately for the bishops, their blessings was the main reason why corona was convicted because we all know that “Someone Up There” can’t be bribed with SUV and money.

    Today, in the middle of the administration of the most popular and the cleanest president in a long, long time, the bishops are talking about “Cheating in election that may happen in this administration” but continually evading the cheating that happened during the “hello Garci” period. And yes, nobody listens to them anymore and we know why. 

    The bishops are now considered redundant and irrelevant and their statements like the above news report are mocked, ridiculed and laughed at. The RH bill was a proof. Corona’s conviction was a proof.

    • TinimbangNgunitKulang

      I think the bishops are trying to insinuate that Pnoy is an illegitimate President whose winning was made possible by tampered PCOS machines. This after they chose to uphold Gloria’s illegitimate election very flagrantly made possible by Garci. What a dirty bunch of hypocritical intrigeros.

      • mabyrik

        I agree with you but who will believe them? Denitely, not the people who were sick and tired with corruption that happened during the regime of their favorite faked president but only the bishops and those who enjoyed the forbidden fruits of corruption. That is why, the bishops are opposing each and every decision of Pnoy to get even with him, but in so doing they are exposing themselves as dirty bunch of hypocritical intrigeros as you mentioned. 
        And unfortunately for these intrigeros, they are now pictured as the villain in pnoy’s dream of a clean government.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    CBCP meddling again.

  • Platypus09

    In our country, there is no such thing as a perfect honest elections.

    Whoever is powerful, he wins.

    Whether or not religious groups are involved, that is Philippine-style politics. If you think that it will change, keep on dreaming.

    Elections will be bloody.

  • Platypus09

    All religious groups are involved in everything we have in this country, not only Catholic leaders.

    If other churches are involved, why limit Catholic churches?

    Let’s all play politics, and see which religious group has the authority and power.

    • Agat Sumi

      but CBCP was silent during the corrupt administration of GMA.

      • GustoKoHappyKa

        bz kasi sa pajero nila hahahaha

  • UrHONOR

    ****TAX the CHURCH****  

    I’d work to death to campaign for President of the country anyone who could make this happen.  The whole nation, esp the poor (the church “claims” to be be assisting) will be greatly benefited from the proceeds of a potentially humongous piece of the obscene financial resources and fortune of the church that has been a free-loader for as long as can be remembered, and yet keeps on intruding into the affairs of the government rather the decaying affairs of its backyard.

    They want both god’s and Caesar’s.  AVARICE is a major vice….a CARDINAL SIN.  What can be more morally embarrassing than that?  Ops, forgot, PEDOPHILE is more embarrassing, just as STEALING and ILLEGAL TRADING….all,  BTW, are crimes.

  • $19291130

    Sana po pray na lang kayo ng pray at tumulong sa mga mahihirap.  Sana po wag na kayong makigulo sa politics lalo lang pong gumugulo…..Amen…

  • Platypus09

    Again, whatever you do, do it to all churches in the Philippines.

    If you tax churches, then all churches should be taxed.

    Let us see which church squeezes too much income from their church members.

    Plain and simple.

    • frudo

      iglesia ni manalo, quilboloy,at iba pang relihiyon   nagiging involve lang sila pag election dahil sa one vote policy nila pero ang catholic lahat halos pakikialaman rh bill divorce bill, at kung ano ano pa so sila no. 1  pero tama ka lahat na sila kuhanan ng tax  para fair.

  • w33k3nd3r

    You wanna help, CBCP? Give away all the friar lands back to the Philippines. They’re not yours to begin with.

  • Platypus09

    If other churches in the Philippines had been involved in our politics, why limit the involvement of Catholic church?

    If others play dirty, why others do otherwise? Everyone plays like everybody else.

    The playing field is open for everyone to play their games.

    Just be fair to everyone.

  • Bengatibo

    Bishop, why only now??? Bakit kasi pinapatulan pa nang MEDIA na ilagay ang bawat sabihin nang obispo sa diyaryo. The bishops can say all they want, huwag na lang sanang ilagay sa diyaryo!!! Hindi titigil ang mga obispo na sa tingin nila ay importante ang lahat nang sabihin nila. Pati ang mga sermon sa simbahan ilagay niyo na sa diyaryo para magkaloko-loko na ang Pilipinas!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XWH5SD6XPM3XKND6PJQQ32ZRAU Mabuhay

    Nakialam na naman wala namang alam kundi maningil sa kasal, binyag, patay,…etc.

  • Muhamad chan

    Bumabawi lang to sa administration ni Noynoy at naninuguradong di mananalo ang mga RH Bill supporters.

  • Platypus09

    Politics is part of our lives.

    Religion is part of politics. All Philippine churches do play politics.

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    SEPARATION OF STATE AND CHURCH… ONLY WAY TO RUN A COUNTRY 

  • kabayandinako

    Are we still under Spanish inquisition that the Catholic Church bosses want to interfere with how the government are being run?

  • Platypus09

    Crap that separation of church and state.

    In this country, all churches do play politics. We all know that.

    That’s reality. Face it and deal with it.

  • gregory robinson

    The Catholic church is losing its control over the Philippine people, which they never should have had anyway. The Catholic church needs to gets its own house clean and in order, get rid of gays and pedofiles in the church, stop bribing politicians, get out into the community and really experience how poor and disadvantaged people live.

  • Platypus09

    You should target all churches in the Philippines, not only the Catholic church.

    Fair is fair. All churches do play politics.

    I have no problem with religion playing in Philippine politics.

    That’s what is going on. It will continue on more generations to come.

    Crap that idealistic notion. Politics Philippine style has its own nature and characteristics.

    • brunogiordano

      “I have no problem with religion playing in Philippine politics”

      GOOD!!!!

      At dapat wala ka rin sanang problema na batikusin ang religion nakikipaglaro sa politika.

      Fair is fair di ba????

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      I agree that we should target all other churches but let’s start with the Catholic Church that’s the most notorious.

  • Hey_Dudes

    If I am a leader bestowed by the Filipino people to serve the country for 6 years, I will ask the Catholic church hierarchy if they are truly interested in governing the country if only to provide evidence they alone can do a better job?  As a leader, I will task these bishops, since they can’t seem to prevent themselves meddling in government affairs, If any of the cardinals will be interested sitting as president aided by various priest and nuns acting cabinet secretaries?  I think this is one way to find out if these meddling clergy members are really good in what they preach, or like any others, are only good in spitting out their saliva pretending to have monopoly of things good.

    Tutal, tuloy tuloy pa rin ang panghihimasok sa gobierno bakit hindi natin ilagay sa gobierno ang mga yan kahit isang buwan lang at ng makita naman nating kung talagang meron alam sa palalakad sa gobierno?

    • Joel_Delano

      For 300 years ibinigay na sa kanila ang pamamahala ng gobyerno sa panahon ng mga Espanyol. Kinamkam lang nila ang mga lupain ng mga ninuno natin at naging mga haciendero ang mga kamag anak nila.   

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XWH5SD6XPM3XKND6PJQQ32ZRAU Mabuhay

    Divorce Law now na ! 92% plus na sa PDI survey ang “yes”. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Pabor ako sa RH Bill pero hindi ang Divorce.  Sa unang pagkakataon, kakampi ng Simbahang Katolika ang maraming ibang grupong Kristiyano tulad ng INK laban sa Divorce.  Mahirap maipasa iyan kumpara sa RH.

    • Guest

      A more serious survey gave a much smaller margin. If at all, only about 50% support divorce as of now.

  • turbogirl9

    dont probe waste of time, already cooked.

  • efffyoufools

    a week after the 2010 election, a whistleblower revealed a shocking confession that he was paid 1B pesos by the election funders of aquino and binay and had the comelec ordered recounting of the ballots, the people would have known the truth to the whistleblower’s confession. there was a witness to the rigging and is willing to speak up if aquino orders the continuation of the inquiry that he ordered shut down after he was sworn into office, the office that we knew was purchased for him for 500,000.

  • UrHONOR

    OLD DOGS are not easy to teach NEW TRICKS with.  Especially VERY OLD, SENILE DOGS.  DOGS with  GERMAN SHEPHERD strain, particularly.

    ERGO, let’s have patience in constantly teaching the OLD DOGS with new, modern tricks….. just like trickles of water would and could bore a hole on a slab of a thick stone.

  • frudo

    hindi nyo trabaho yan may comelec tayo mga pakialamero!!!

  • dickenhead

    hehehe ang mga priests & bishops talaga hindi matanggap na irrelevant na sila, pati trabaho ng gobyerno pinasukan na. Mayroon tayong mga ahensya ng gobyerno na maaaring magimbestiga dyan sa mag pandaraya sa botohan. Mga hayop talaga otng mga priest & bishops na ito sila ang sagabal sa pagunlad ng ating bansa

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Buti na lang wala na si Cardinal Sin at nagdurusa ngayon sa impiyerno.  Isa pang Sin iyan na walang tigil sa pakikialam sa gobyerno pero kinampihan ang numero unong magnanakaw na si GMA.

  • joerizal

    Dapat binoboto din natin ang mga pari, obispo at cardinal. Since nakikialam sila sa palakad ng taumbayan, dapat tayo ang pumipili sa kanila at hindi sila-sila lang ang nag-pipilian.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    STOP DONATING YOUR MONEY TO THE  CORRUPT BISHOP..The Bank Investments Of Different Dioceses

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. San Miguel Corp (SMC) 957,516 79th PHP105.33 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO San Miguel Corp (SMC) 856,639 81st PHP94.23 Million

    REAL MONASTERIO DE LA PURISIMA CONCEPCION DE NUESTRA MADRE SANTA CLARA DE MANILA San Miguel Corp (SMC) 809,834 83rd PHP89.08 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION DE PADRES RECOLETOS POR BECAS Y VOCACIONES San Miguel Corp (SMC) 621,702 89th PHP68.39 Million
    CARMEL OF ST THERESE OF THE CHILD JESUS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 592,956 91st PHP65.23 Million

    THE DISCALCED CARMELITE NUNS OF CEBU San Miguel Corp (SMC) 451,864 95th PHP49.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF NUEVA SEGOVIA DE VIGAN San Miguel Corp (SMC) 428,067 98th PHP47.09 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,221,135 15th PHP66.68 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY – B Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,125,777 16th PHP64.70 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY-A Philex Mining Corp (PX) 1,091,027 69th PHP22.58 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO Ayala Corporation (AC) 24,015 73rd PHP9.29 Million

    KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION OF THE PHILS, INC. Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – A (ACPA) 60,000 2nd PHP31.80 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TAGBILARAN Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – B (ACPR) 10,000 64th PHP1.02 Million

    DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY OF ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PHINMA Corp. (PHN) 159,575 19th PHP2.12 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF JUAN DE DIOS PHINMA…

    • TUMBOKIN

      Where do you get your data?  These are serious allegations!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

        It’s nothing new.  Many huge lands were also grabbed by the Catholic Church since the Spanish time.

      • UrHONOR

        CHECK out the 100 biggest stockholders of major corporations in the Philippines at the PSE and the SEC.  It’s public record. Matutumbok mo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      I don’t see Monte de Piedad Bank which some Bishops including the late Cardinal Sin were stockholders.  Let’s include the many Catholic schools that are owned by the Catholic Church charging exorbitant tuition. 

      • TotoyKalentong

        Monte de Piedad has long folded-up, sold to Keppel Bank of Singapore then transferred ownership to GE Money Bank. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      This is a lot of money. OMG! Bakit kaya hindi man lang sila nag bigay ng tulong sa mga sinalanta ng bagyong ONDOY at Pablo? Nasaan na ang sinasabi nilang “it’s better to give than to receive”?????? Kagalang-galang nga naman sila, ano po.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      Pwede po bang paki-silip na rin ang kinikita ng lahat ng mga Catholic Schools sa bansa na mina-managed ng mga pare’t obispo. The Ateneo Schools, Notre Dame Schools, Holy Cross Schools, St. Peter Schools, etc.etc.etc. Correct me if I’m wrong, pero sa pagkakaalam ko, these money making institutions are tax free. Nagtatanong lang naman po.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    STOP DONATING YOUR MONEY TO THE  CORRUPT BISHOP..
    The Bank Investments Of Different Dioceses

    Diocese / Church Foundation Company # Shares Owned Rank in Top 100 Total Investment Value

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 222,843,681 4th PHP12.724 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (REAL CASA DE MISERICORDIA) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 41,408,841 8th PHP2.364 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA (HOSPITAL DE SAN JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 22,072,182 13th PHP1.26 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSPICIO DE SAN JOSE) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 6,016,624 15th PHP343.55 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSP DE SA JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 4,285,572 17th PHP244.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (MAYORDOMIA DELA CATEDRAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 2,664,266 21st PHP152.13 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (ST. PAUL`S HOSPITAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 1,772,418 26th PHP101.21 Million

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 726,819 49th PHP41.50 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 551,382 60th PHP31.48 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF JARO Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 491,385 64th PHP28.06 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 2,370,000 31st PHP260.70 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION ARCHICOFRADIA DE N.P.J.N DE RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 1,234,603 75th PHP135.81 Million

  • brunogiordano

    Cebu Provincial Election Supervisor Lionel Marco Castillano vs Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma

    Sino ang dapat paniwalaan sa kanila?????

    Kung taga CBCP, mahirap ng paniwalaan ngayon.

    Marami silang kasinungaligan sinabi laban sa RH, kaya ano man sabihin ngayon ay di na dapat paniwalaan.

    Dahil may freedom of speech tayo, hayaan na lang natin silang magsisigaw ng WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!.

  • Platypus09

    That is just natural for all religious leaders to join in politics.

    That is not going to change.

    That is just plain politics, Philippine style.

  • $37644997

    Live and let Live,let the cbcp win this time after RH bill,I think it’s okay.

  • dcjordan15

    I think the CBCP should learn to shun away from too much politicking. Instead of making a probe on voting machines, it should have dealt with the abusive priests abusing children in the Catholic churches.

  • TUMBOKIN

    CBCP is way out of line here!
    It is not your job.  Let COMELEC , PNP or NBI deal with this.

  • Platypus09

    Who determines which group and who are out of line?

    Scrap that constitutional line.

    Realistically, all religions do play politics and influence government decision making. And we all know that.

    In our country, that is not going to change.

  • thenewpulahan

    Bishops: SHUUUUUUUUUUUT THHHHHHEEEEE F..CCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKK UPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

    Don’t you get it? We don’t want you messing around with our politics!!!

  • Platypus09

    Politics in the Philippines has been tainted with religious influence nowadays, which is not new.

    All denominations are tugging as to who controls the government.

    May the powerful religious group win.

    That is the name of the game.

    • Guest

       “Politics in the Philippines has been tainted with religious influence nowadays, which is not new.”

      Philippine politics has always been tainted with influence from the religious sector.

  • Fulpol

    CBCP is trying to find out if BS Aquino III cheated on last 2010 election.

    • RoachControl

      They are just trying to find something to stick to him as a punishment for endorsing the RH bill.  How can he cheat when Gloria Arroyo controlled Comelec during that election?  Just a bluff by the CBCP to discourage anybody from going against them. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Arroyo do not want a ERAP to sit again so she allows the PCOS certificate not loaded…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6NV2NIE62WV3JGIGCBB7LFZBX4 generra

    Natalo kasi lahat ng corrupt, magnanakaw at manunuhol dahil sa PCOS machine.

    • GustoKoHappyKa

      na shock sila last election…wala ng time makapang daya… di na manipulate ang result eh..

      kaya gusto makita yung sourcecode para malaman kung paano makapang daya hahahaha

  • brunogiordano

    “I, for one, can tell, or I will say I’m not ashamed to tell people that I also believe [the PCOS machine has defects]. It has to be examined and that is part of the agenda of the CBCP,” Palma said.

    PRESUMPTOUS!!!!

    Faith based at hindi FACT Based.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    CBCP has NOTHING to do with VOTING MACHINES—-It is  COMELEC TASK to DO this—————-CBCP wants to CORRUPT the next election—-

    • basyong

      if they will not voice concerns about this hocus pcos machines who the hell will be? you burador  ? e sa tono lang ng pananalita mo siguradong kasama ka sa mga naghohokus pcos sa halalan.pabayaan mo ang mga taong merong moralidad ang magsalita hindi katulad mong nabubuhay ng immoral ng dahil lang kay ricky carandang BWA HAHAHAHAHA

      • Gerardo Mangubat

        @basyong:disqus , is ka siguro sa mga natalo last election no? Nagbabasa ka ba? Alam mo bang napakaraming legal investigations ang ginawa after 2010 elections. Lahat nang questions about the system and PCOS were raised, in congress, senate, ang PET. Pero lahat nasagot nang comelec and smartmatic. Even sa mga election protests, ni-isa walang naka pag prove na pwedeng dayain ang PCOS. Baka ikaw, alam mo kung paano? Paki explain daw.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        The OPPOSITION have to QUESTION it—-and NOT CBCP——-

  • Platypus09

    Isn’t that corruption and cheating are part of politics?

    All religious groups do play politics. Thus, all religious leaders are guilty.

    What are we gonna do? Send them to jail?

    What a joke!

    Let the politics and religion work hand in hand, only here in the Philippines.

    • UrHONOR

      Ha ha ha…that’s really a nice joke!

  • ODAPAIN

    this is horrible ,we dont involve ourselves when a the The Pope gets elected,and here  they are sticking their noses in PCOS machines.Do they have computerized voting when they elect the POPE.They should include in their meeting on how to help    those affected by PABLO,do you guys see any priest bless the dead in those mass graves ? They seem to be more political than spiritual.Lost faith in them to lead the faithful

  • bbguevara

    What evidence does Palma and Pimentel hold, to declare that the PCOS machines are defective? Is’nt this just a fishing expedition?

    • leodegardompruna

       The fact that one or more municipalities were disenfranchise is more than enough evidence.

      • Gerardo Mangubat

         Ano ba yan @facebook-100001195189696:disqus . Where does your logic come from? Kailan pa naging evidence ang DEISENFRANCHISE.

    • UrHONOR

      President of CBCP!

    • PikonNaKami

      In 2010, there were 2 separate PCOS machines sending the data to the same precinct in Biliran.  This also happened in other polling places all over the country.  There was even several incidences where a PCOS machine sent data almost 24 hours after the polling precinct closed.  Theory is that COMELEC and Smartmatic sold votes to candidates to increase the profit margin of Smartmatic and kickbacks from COMELEC. remember that Smartmatic was only a middleman in 2010 since the PCOS and software were owned by Dominion. Smartmatic paid Dominion for the use of the machines and software.  Only way to make money without sharing it with Dominion is to sell votes to candidates.  There were operations in Davao and Antipolo.  Ask Miguel Avila of Smartmatic.

      • Gerardo Mangubat

         Ows? As in? Sige, if you can prove this tsismis, I for one will campaign against PCOS. Taray, kung maka sulat nang tsismis, parang totoo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DFW5PTIGTXNRUX44FLV6LI5USM Bantay

    sa mga nambabastos sa CBCP,hintayin nyo ang KARMA! darating sa inyo yan! tandaan nyo!!! 

    • marionics

      Karma is action, and Vipaka, fruit or result, is its reaction.
      Just as every object is accompanied by a shadow, even so every volitional activity is inevitably accompanied by its due effect. Karma is like potential seed: Vipaka could be likened to the fruit arising from the tree – the effect or result. Anisamsa and Adinaya are the leaves, flowers and so forth that correspond to external differences such as health, sickness and poverty – these are inevitable consequences, which happen at the same time. Strictly speaking, both Karma and Vipaka pertain to the mind.
      As Karma may be good or bad, so may Vipaka, – the fruit – is good or bad. As Karma is mental so Vipaka is mental (of the mind). It is experienced as happiness, bliss, unhappiness or misery, according to the nature of the Karma seed. Anisamsa are the concomitant advantages – material things such as prosperity, health and longevity. When Vipaka’s concomitant material things are disadvantageous, they are known as Adinaya, full of wretchedness, and appear as poverty, ugliness, disease, short life-span and so forth.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZIWSONMGQYN6VXR5WROLCTL3KM dokie

      ang cbcp ang bastos at tanga at sila ang nakakarma. it rhymes!!! lmao

    • brunogiordano

      “sa mga nambabastos sa CBCP,hintayin nyo ang KARMA! darating sa inyo yan! tandaan nyo!!! ”

      Sa pagkakaalam namin kaya binabastos ngayon ang CBCP ay dahil sa mga kasinungaligan pinag sasabihi ng kanilang mga pari, obispo at cardinal laban sa RH.

      Kung may nakarma(bad) man maliwanag na mga taga CBCP at ang kanilang mga alipin iyon, dahil mga bad sila.

    • UrHONOR

      SA pangbabastos ng CBCP, ito na yong KARMA.

    • Don Dee

      To call pedophile priests pedophile is not a bad thing. To call corrupt bishops corrupt is not a bad thing. To call politicking CBCP politicking is not a bad thing. Let the karma of telling the truth come at me.

    • taga_ilog

      Karma is a Hindu belief, kailan pa naging catholic teaching yun? at saka di ba sa chirstian “love your enemies”? eh bakit gusto mo na makarma sila?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      Mali yan Bantay-Salakay. For your kind info., ang KINAKARMA lang ay yong mga nagpapa-oto at nagbulag-bulagan sa mga maling itinuturo ng mga taga CBCP. Ang mas matindi pa nito, baka darating ang panahon na mga paret’ madre na langang makikita nating nag sisimba sa simbahan nang simbahang Katoliko. Kasama ka na roon Bantay. Sana naman po, huwag ito mangyari sa Pilipinas.

  • GustoKoHappyKa

    Pwe! puro kayo defective pero di nyo naman sabihin kung ano ba talaga yung parte na defective!

    Sabihin nyo nalang ang totoo na hangang ngayon di nyo pa din alam kung paano dadayain yan dahil sa mabilis ang labas ng resulta at di nyo na maninipula…

    Kahit sino pwedeng sabihin computer eXpert sila..pero kahit tignan mo yan source code na yan hindi mo din maiintindihan kung walang documentation at kung paisa isa lang parte lang ang titignan…

    Unit Testing ang kailangan hindi yung magbabasa ng code…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICYWMBS3YFLGCUKMKSNHBLP36E Entropia

    Nakialam na naman!!! E sarili nila hindi nila ma imbestiga. 

  • INQ_reader

    What’s worse than priests trying to be medical doctors who are supposed to be experts in contraceptives? The same priests who are trying to be computer experts.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    • RomyLitz

      They are the real future killers and hoodwinkers of the world !

  • joshmale2004

    The CBCP’s involvement in Philippine politics is really doing them more harm than good. This is another example of how they want to established themselves as tyrants. Anyway, I can see that they are laying down the groundwork of claiming next year’s election to be rigged in favor of LP in case UNA’s candidates will be wiped out. UNA’s silence during the RH Bill can be interpereted as a signal that CBCP and UNA have aligned together against the current Administration. So para walang dahilan ang CBCP at UNA na nadaya sila sa 2013, pagbigyan na lang ng COMELEC ang request ng CBCP and allow private experts to prove the PCOS machine with all political parties as observers para walang makapagsabi na may dayaang nangyari sa mga matatalo next year.

    • UrHONOR

      HEDGING.  That’s HOW they play their game since time immemorial.  Pag kara, “panalo kami”, at pag krus naman, “talo kayo”.  “Pag sinunod ninyo ang sinabi namin mapapabuti ang buhay ninyo  Pag sinunod ninyo at hindi naman bumuti ang  buhay ninyo, tiyak yon, maliit ang inyong fee…’faith’ …..o, wala kayong ‘faith'”.  Pag bumuti (yon lang naman ang talagang, on the average, statistically, ang maaaring mangyari–kung hindi sumama, bubuti), “Kita na ninyo, bumuti ang buhay ninyo dahil sinunod ninyo ang pinagagawa sa inyo ng diyos”(na pinadaan sa amin).

      • joshmale2004

        You also have a point there UrHONOR.

      • boypalabobo

        Stop encouraging him, he needs to do basic research before he posts his ignorance and arrogance on the net.

    • RomyLitz

      Agree 100%. They are now the real blinds roaming around this world. Nut those who can see are gays and paedophiles ! what a badluck group they are in.

  • boypalabobo

    When does the CBCP find the time to do God’s work rather than Caesar’s work?

    • regd

      When that will happen, the mayan prophecy will be true. Hence, NEVER!

    • RomyLitz

      Since Damaso’s time , they are of this world 100%, they are not of GOD’s !! That is probably the reason that the heavens swamped this group with rapists, gays and paedophiles !! They are the present enablers to those sinners in Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • cogito728sum

      Because the CBCP, emboldened by its glorious achievement (thru the most likable Cardinal Sin) the dethroning of Marcos from his palatial throne, has adopted the despot’s personal creed as it’s most novel addition to its own, thus: “What is mine is mine, what is yours is mine too.  My pulpit is mine, your throne (your seat of secular power) is mine too.” 

      I wish to be gracious though to these ungracious/arrogant representatives of Christ by saying that some of them may not  be in accord with what this organization, this club if I may say so because, to me, that is all there is to it, an exclusive club for men, is dictating the secular authorities.  But because of their pledge of obedience, these non comformists to the majority keep their silence, in observance of their own Code of Omerta.

      So my friend, it is really a wishful thinking to expect these usurpers of secular powers to change.  They know that at the end of the day, the President, the Senators, the Justices of the Supreme Court, the Congressmen, and all other functionaries will kneel before them and beg for their benediction.  And while hypocritically blessing them, deep inside–especially this Bishop Palma–is saying: “aha, sino ngayon ang tunay na bosing.”  Thank you and Happy New Year to you!

      • UrHONOR

        >>>these non comformists to the majority keep their silence, <<<
        One of them is Tony….Tony Ledesma.

  • leodegardompruna

    The PCOS machines may not be defective as alleged by Comelec because the machines work as pre-programmed by Comelec. I can not just imagine what happened the first time the machines were used when in a matter of day or two the source code was made for national operation.

    • zkenpachi

      kya pla nnalo si zubiri hehehehe…

  • turbogirl9

    GOVERNMENT MAKE MONEY THEN KEEP IN POCKET BY POLITICIANS

  • INQ_reader

    Any man-made machine has its defects. That is why COMELEC did not ask for 100% reliability, only 99.99966%. That’s around 3.4 defects per million opportunities. It’s the statistically maximum value of reliability.

    • PikonNaKami

      In a demo to Congress, Smartmatic machines came in at 96%.

    • RomyLitz

      Agree 100%. Our humankind generation landed on the moon or reached or viewed the surfaces of  Mars and Venus because of computers ! Why doubt now?

      • Guest

         You should agree only 99.99966%!

  • legislex

    The last time I read the Constitution, it has a provision on separation of church and state.  This is the reason behind the Church’s exemption from real property taxes, and the government’s prohibition on spending public funds to favor any religious organization, including the Catholic Church.  When CBCBP campaigned against RH Bill, I somewhat understand their active participation against its passage because it contravenes their religious belief.  This issue on the voting machines is a purely political issue, and has no relation on our relationship with God.  I see no reason why the bishops should be dipping their hands on it.  I suspect that CBCP is just trying to find an issue against PNoy by questioning his mandate in 2010.  CBCP’s credibility and moral authority are fast eroding.  I hope it will not come to a point where I have to rethink my religious affiliation.

    P.S.  I am still wondering why CBCP was surprisingly silent during the administration of GMA when corruption and abuse of authority were clearly rampant.  Nagtatanong lang po father.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUE7BZXUJ7I5AFIBEPSIBONAHA Alfred A

       Yeah leave the catholic church and form your own church called Iglesia ni Pnoy… it seems Pnoy is now your god….

      • RomyLitz

        there is the third one, the Dwarfs of La Dwarfina who are expert in the nuances of riding the wheelchairs ! The CBCP are advised to join the election process by asking the Congress to pass the law that they can run and that will include the constitutional amendments that the Church and the State are not uselessly separated anymore. And, they have to pay taxes too !! This way they have the right to bellyache whatever they conceived that the govt is going nowhere.

  • PikonNaKami

    In the first place, Pimentel should investigate why COMELEC in 2010 allowed Smartmatic to subcontract the PCOS machine and its software to Dominion, which was not allowed by COMELEC’s own bidding rules and the procurement law of the government.  There was already something fishy in that arrangement with the complicity of COMELEC.  Why would COMELEC blatantly violate the its own rules to award the contract to Smartmatic?  

    Even PPCRV was involved in this money making venture.  The daughter of PPCRV Chairman De Villa was hired by Smartmatic to be their media consultant.  It was only De Villa who was allowed to enter the COMELEC Command Center. And when the rest of the PPCRV Board members complained, De Villa declared all positions vacant except hers!  It was also the reason why she adamantly resisted the accreditation of NAMFREL as a co-citizen’s arm.  Why would PPCRV not want another entity to help them monitor the transparency of the elections.  Then after the elections, PPCRV gets ex COMELEC Commissioner and rabid Smartmatic supporter (ask him how many times he visited Smartmatic’s plant in China) as its external VP.

    And why did PPCRV insist that they do the Manual Random Audit when no one from PPCRV is qualified to do the task?  And they proudly claimed that the PCOS machine was 99.6% accurate when the requirement was 99.995%!

    I am for automation but please, let us open our eyes and realize that COMELEC and PPCRV  have been pushing something that is not functioning properly.  Not one of us will allow a bank to operate an ATM that dispenses 99.99% of our money. We will immediately complain.

    In the same manner, we cannot allow COMELEC and PPCRV to push a vendor with defective machines and system.  The country paid BILLIONS for these machines. The least we expect is that they meet the minimum requirements.

    • RomyLitz

      the president at that time was La Dwarfina, why blame the present administration? This investigation if it is approved would mean that all congressmen and senators will inhibit themselves or absent for a few months until the investigation is finished?

  • regd

    Does anybody here still doubt that all of them bishops had damaged manhood? And people still wonder why they are so DYSFUNCTIONAL! I just sigh in exasperation with these bunch of…whatever…(apology for the curse)

    • RomyLitz

      they are boffins outliers !

  • kapatad

    Kung may depekto ang pcos, mananalo ba si P’noy. Siempre, pananalunin ni GMA ay si Gilbert Teodoro. Therfore, walang depekto ang PCOS. Gusto lang bumalik sa mabagal na bilangan para makapandaya sila.

  • johnlagrimas

    Totoo ba ito or another sensationalized news by PDI? If so, then as a Catholic, I would say, bishops should focus on motivating their priests who are so lazy and just feeding their parishioners with idle talk during homilies and burdening the faithful with so many parish projects and simply neglect the faithful’s spiritual needs and nourishment.

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    bakit ba hindi e PROBE yung mga pangmomolestya ng mga bata ng mga pari? yung paring nakabuntis hindi pa e probe yun? Yung mga sakristan at altar boys na ginawang mga boyfriend ng mga pari bakit hindi yun e probe?

    • Don Dee

      Sa probinsya namin, nabuntis yung dalagang labandera ni father. Walang boyfrend yun. God works in mysterious ways talaga.

      • taga_ilog

        hahaha, nice one!

      • Don Dee

        Sadly it is not even a joke. Kaya ngayon, yung dating solid Catholic barrio, dami ng born again, iglesia, etc. I mean, who can blame them? That scandal is too much to bear even for the most devout.

  • Magsasaka

    mga losers dapat noon nyo pa ginawa yan kung seryoso kayo pero nagpapahalata kayo na ginagamit nyong pangblackmail ang alam nyong issue sa gobyerno, wala na kayong pinagkaiba sa mga demonyo na napakarurumi ng gawain

  • PikonNaKami

    Most of the comments here are from a single PR company hired by Smartmatic.  I know because a relative works in that company.

    • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

      Naku, I’ve been doing this for free. please ask them to contact me. kahit ung network na din ni binay or ung sino man. mejo naubos ang budget nung pasko e.

  • $37644997

    You may not take CBCP seriously,just take their plea only as a reminder.Same thing when someone tells you that God really does exist,and you may take it or leave it.

    • RomyLitz

      But I do believe with proofs and documents that these priests and bishops are mingled with some who are abnormally gays and paedophiles. These people must be in the order of battle list too, to protect the young boys and sacristans!

      • $37644997

        true,in every mountain or hill there is always a snake.

      • wood68

         even in the arid deserts of the sahara poisonous snakes still abound.

  • weeshfulThinker

    uhmm… why in the world is CBCP meddling AGAIN with the Philippine Government? Dang… Gusto ba nilang sila na lang ang magpatakbo ng Pilipinas?

    • RomyLitz

      those are the traits of Damasos right?

    • wood68

       three hundred years under the guise of the spanish empire is not enough for them

    • weeshfulThinker

       @wood68:disqus @RomyLitz:disqus What they’re doing is bring more disunity between us Filipinos. For some odd reason, they still think that their way of thinking (and what they want to happen) is BETTER. What they don’t realize is that their way doesn’t fit in anymore. Masyado pa rin silang closed-minded.

    • RomyLitz

      That was their wishful thinking since the time of Rizal. They were removed by the Americans. The Americans bought Philippines from Spain, remember? I wonder who got the documents or receipt of the payment. Until now, it is still binding. ( Gregoriao Zaide , a Filipino historian wrote it that way, when I was in High School)

  • tarikan

    The next important agenda to be tackled by the CBCP is how to “kill” their sexual urge. Is it through natural method like just having wet dreams, sexual fantasies only (still a sin?), putting a bucketful of ice to a rising tarugo, etc. Or through an artificial method like taking ant-erection pills, eating anti-aphrodisiac foods, etc. Or simply satisfying the urge through “non-lethal” means such as masturbation, peeping tom, etc. A lot better than sexual harassment or pedophilia.  

  • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

    Ewan ko ba, pero pag CBCP ang kasama sa istorya, me duda na ako sa intensyon e.

    • RomyLitz

      These bunch of Damasos must be investigated about their hidden wealth. These interfering priests and bishops must be taxed before they can behave as a parliamentarian of the streets, media and the church ! TAX all of the interferring religious groups, like the I Need Cash, El Shaddai Inday, Dating Daan, Quiboloy Bugoy , Ecleos and etc !!

      • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

        Ang init ng ulo. hehe.
        Relaks.

      • RomyLitz

        They, the calbs Bishops, started the heat so let it on and let’s start rocking the boat.

  • Platypus09

    All religious groups in our country are tugging towards who will control the government, not just Catholics, and we know all that.

    That is reality in our country, whether we like it or not. If CBCP does its own maneuvers, just like other religions, they can do that as well.

    Do you really think it is going to change?

    Not..

    That is reality. We have to live and deal with that..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMILZVJMPLRYOGFXL6PPNEVS24 Mike Arroyo

    Akusa ng akusa tapos magyayaya kayo ng IT experts to volunteer? Wala pang ebidensya tapos nang-aakusa na? Haayyy…

    • UrHONOR

      HINDI na pinagtatakhan pa yang PANG-AAKUSA … dyan EKSPERTO ang mga yan…..kabaliktaran ng ipinakiitang buhay at itinuro ng ginagaya nilang diyos na si Jesus. Hypocrites to the highest degree!

    • taga_ilog

      dahil iyan ang pinakamadaling gawin ang magbintang ng walang back-up na ebidensya. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

    There is no such perfect “source code”, there maybe still bugs or some back door to gain access and manipulate the PCOS…It can be also easily manipulated by operators or other “people within” those PCOS especially if their security certificates were not loaded as reported during the 2010 presidential election…

    For sure, they did not load it because they don’t want ERAP to sit again in malacañan palace. Someone has preferred a zoombie to become the next president….

  • Stun Black

    Kailangan pa bang i-hack yan? Bayaran mo lang yung board of inspectors kaya nilang i-reset yung mga results at pasukan ng bagong balota.  Sa factory lang dapat ang configuration niyan parang black box. Kung baluarte mo pa yung probinsiya baka walang bayad at tsaka walang huli. Common sense.

    • RomyLitz

      If you know the double-checking and validation process of the computer that can easily be detected.

      • Stun Black

         pag-nareset yan walang ma-dodouble check.Yun kasing diagnostics results  sa umpisa nabubura nila.  Dapat dyan may log entries na di nabubura para ma-double check.

      • RomyLitz

        the logging method is recorded nationwide as a multi-back up, not local, so it can be detected easily. The infos of the priests and Pimentel is very limited but dangerous if millions of gullibles are convinced. Easy to know which precinct is deleting and editing the entries.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        di naman talaga nabubura iyan… nandon pa rin, at matra trace ang laman nong optical disk…o kahit anong storage.. iyan ay kung di marunong mag erase iyong mga personnel ng PCOS…

  • RomyLitz

    Palma,

    So you are willing also if the gov’t would like to examine the presence of gays and paedophiles among the clergy nationwide? This is a relevant investigation since it was and is proven by courts around the world of their existince and mingling with the clergy unnoticed and unvetted. The presence of abnormal Damasos can greatly affect the election and will of the people since there are also gays among the congressmen and senators.

    • Stun Black

       the gov’t should investigate.  it takes one to know one.

      • RomyLitz

        Probably they have the very secret list of “certified” gays and paedophiles in the Philippines.

    • wood68

      include the damasos with secret children or mistresses.

      • RomyLitz

        Of course via FOI bill!1

  • Don Dee

    To the CBCP:

    Why not have yourselves a big warm tall glass of shut the fcuk up? You, who were silent when the Arroyos were raping the government coffers, nay, were too happy to let it all happen because you were enjoying the scraps from her table have not earned the right. Fcuk you mitsubishops. You read that right. 

    ————————-

    IF it was the NAMFREL or some other neutral third party organization who is seeking a closer look at the PCOS machines, I mean, I think that is a valid request. If the COMELEC has nothing to hide, then they should allow a closer look. But these bishops? Who the fcuk are they? You have to question their motivation!

    • efffyoufools

      too bad. the catholic church is aware of the truth that aquino and binay did not win in the 2010 election which is why it is now making noise about it and until aquino calls for a probe on what was alleged to have been anomalous election that he and binay conspired to, people will join the catholic church in demanding a probe on this issue about the rigging that declared aquino and binay the winners.  

      instead of attacking the catholic church for being vocal in calling for a probe on the 2010 election rigging, wouldn’t you want this shocking allegation probed so that we will know who wanted aquino and binay win the election and to see that the law that they both took oath to protect and serve will be the same law that will send them to jail.

      • taga_ilog

        And who do you think won? Erap? 

      • Don Dee

        You are totally out of it. Lol. PNoy cheated? It wasn’t even close. You must be one of those people who believe Elvis is still alive. Sadly, I can not help you.

        Who is even calling for a probe? Erap, who had the second highest votes? Villar? Gibo? O ang CBCP (as you are implying here)? Candidato ba ang CBCP? 

      • wood68

         remember koala boy? at first the loosing candidates claim he was a credible witness but with no proof to back his allegations, he just went pffft.

      • efffyoufools

        the smartmatic and comelec knew about the 2010 election rigging but both are quiet about it because they all promised aquino to stay quiet or they will lose their jobs. the IT experts after its thorough investigation, found out that the pcos machines had open ports inside and was easily manipulated by the people who said were paid 1B pesos to rig the election and successfully intercepted and altered the election results that were being transmitted to the comelec. the IT experts have the evidence to prove that the 2010 election was rigged but the ahole in malacanang told enrile and the senators handling the inquiry to wrap it up or they will face aquino’s wrath. just how will aquino’s supporters defend him from the law that will send him to jail for conspiracy to rig the election is something entertaining to watch unfold.

      • Don Dee

        You really think La Gloria, who was the sitting president at the time, who is known to manipulate election results, would have allowed the one candidate who vowed to send her to jail as an election campaign promise, to cheat?

        You think Erap Estrada, who had the second highest votes, would have allowed this VINDICATION to slip past him if indeed he had been cheated?

        Pero ang CBCP, merong ebidensya. lol! Yung hindi kandidato ang meron ebidensya. Haha. Butthurt much? Still reeling from the RH vote are we? Coming up next, DIVORCE BILL. Check out the Inquirer poll see where that vote goes.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Whom do you think former Pres Arroyo wants to succeed her? Aquino or Erap? Of course she wanted Aquino….

      • Don Dee

        She wanted Gibo or Villar. But that is besides the point. If Erap, who is the main man concerned if there was cheating, is not complaining, why are these bishops complaining? Kandidato ba sila? Kung may dayaan, sino daw nanalo? These fcukers are LYING once again. They are LIARS! LIARS! LIARS! Corrupt to the bone. They miss the good old days when they can dictate to the president to sit on the RH bill and then go home to their diocese on a brand new SUV gift from malacanang!  Let us not mince words. These fcukers supported the corrupt government of Gloria Arroyo. And they want her or her minions back.

    • RomyLitz

      They wanted a seat in the Malacanyang like what Damaso did during Rizal’s time or Sin did to Cory. Pnoy doesn’t like it !! Pnoy is right in ignoring their whims or endless bellyaching.

  • boypalabobo

    The CBCP should concentrate on their Sunday sermons.  You have been instructed by Christ to feed the sheep, who else will do it?????  Senator Juan?  Perhaps if they guide their flock better, there would be less marriage problems and divorce/annulment/separations can be prevented.

    Let Caesar handle Caesar’s affairs!

  • Platypus09

    Politics and religion (all religious groups including “born-against” Catholics) do play hand in hand in our country.

    Politics, that is, “only in the Philippines”.

  • Gerardo Mangubat

    Ano ba yan @facebook-100001195189696:disqus . Where does your logic come from? Kailan pa naging evidence ang DISENFRANCHISE?

  • jeetkaido

    May defect o wala ang PCOS machine, klangan ma imbestigahan at mae-correct agad bago mag-election. Di dapat nakikialam ang mga pare, pastor o ano mang alagad ng simbahan pero walang masama kung meron silang napansin at ipaabot ang mga errors na ito. Maski walang budget ang pinas, sana magaya ang US elections maski katiting lang na-update mino-minuto ang election returns sa TV news at ang result ay maghapon lamang kaya malayo sa dayaan. 

  • Gerardo Mangubat

    Nung nanalo si PNOY sa 2010 elections, happy naman ang CBCP alang imik. Ngayung sinuwag sila ni PNOY sa RH, parang nagdududa na sila 2010 elections (meaning sa pagkapanalo ni PNOY). b@$^@RD&!

    • RomyLitz

      They want to be paid thu unwritten “embedded gratitude”.

  • Commentator

    I think the bishops should push for the passage of FOI bill not this one.

    • Don Dee

      I think the bishops should shut the fcuk up. Not that I am against the FOI. I just think the church should not involve themselves in politics.

      • basyong

        i think don dee should sht the f ck up as he is not a catholic.he is a chinese masquerading to be a filipino we should all unite and kick th a ss of this s tu pid a ss h ole

      • Don Dee

        I like your logic. I am not catholic therefore I am not Filipino. Lol. Yeah, whatever loser. I would insult you, but you are literally TOO DUMB to insult.

      • RomyLitz

        If we talk about Pacquiao or Dionesia, these CBCPs will join the fray just the same. They just want their noses everywhere to be visible or to be “pansinin” since their advocacy “puro” palpak !!

    • Stun Black

       marami kasing anit-FOI bill dito with deep pockets kaya di maipasa yan…meron nga ba?…..zzzzzzz….

      • Don Dee

        If only because the media is powerful enough and are just as corrupt as most politicians. FOI is not gaining any traction because of the Noli de Castros and Korina Sanchezes who would surely abuse the FOI.

      • Stun Black

         sino kaya ang queen of all media?

      • Don Dee

        Well, I did not say that one side was less guilty than the other. But the point remains, media is powerful enough. Nay, abusive at times even without the FOI.

    • joshmale2004

      The bishops will not push for the FOI Bill, and that’s for sure. They are also afraid their names might appear or come out when government documents or transactions especially our Congressmen and governors make public their transactions. Maraming pari diyan ang nasa payola ng mga politiko.

      • RomyLitz

        Maybe their drawers or cabinets or tables or pulpits contain bikinis and bras for personal consumptions. Highly possible they use vibrators from Singapore !

    • RomyLitz

      This is better so we can see the billions of assets of these Damasopriests that had oppressed the poor Filipinos ! They must be taxed with their creative  service-for-a-fee “ceremonies” like the baptism of babies, prayers for “patay”,blessings of the lot, houses, schools, offices, cars, trucks, motorcycles, bicycles and most important of all, the wheelchairs !!

  • Don Dee

    And friendly reminder to these “concerned” bishops. The OPPOSITION will protect their votes. They are NOT disenfranchised. The VP is with the OPPOSITION. The senate president is with the OPPOSITION. I’m sure these veteran politicians (some would say TRAPO) know more about the dirty end of politics than you. So yeah, shut the hell up.

  • Fulpol

    is BS Aquino III an illegitimate President? the CBCP wants to find out…

    • Don Dee

      No, the CBCP is just still butthurt over the fact that they lost the RH vote. And still under the general delusion that they have influence in Philippine politics in general. I want the divorce law passed post-haste just to rub that in their pedophile noses.

      • Fulpol

        are you gay?

      • Don Dee

        NO. But you must be. 

      • basyong

        he is a chinese that we should deport back where he came from.patalsikin ang mga tsinoy na walang galang sa mga pilipino OUT YOU BEHO!!!!!!!!!!

      • Don Dee

        Hey Fulpol, I found you a gay one. This one I think you can try to date. Go ahead ask him. Don’t be shy.

    • RomyLitz

      CBCP has lost its credibility since Claro M Recto and Jose Laurel passed a law that Rizal’s books about political Damasos will be taught in schools.

  • Platypus09

    Just like other religious groups, Catholic leaders are in full force.

    Watch out, the elections coming up would be bloody..!!

    If other religious groups are active, why can’t they?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

    italy had voted to tax the catholic church. kung doon sa mismong sinulpotan nila, kailangang magbayad na sila ng tax, bakit hindi rito? mas katoliko ba tayo kaysa sa mga italyano o mas tanga lang talaga at takot sa parasitikong simbahan?

    • Stun Black

       kasi takot sila kay Manalo.

  • basyong

    if all the UNA candidates will win the senatong elections then BS AQUINO should step down as he has no credibility to lead and will point the defect of this HOKUS PCOS machine who made BS AQUINO won

    • Don Dee

      Alam mo masama ang rugby sa utak. Tigilan mo na yan sabi e.

      • Palku Kha

        tigilan mo na rin ang paghigop sa sipon ni Noynoy.masama yan sa utak! nyahahaha!!!!!

  • Platypus09

    All religious groups should be taxed.

    And let us see which religious groups extort so much money from their church members.

    • RomyLitz

      But there are religious groups that do not interfere with the government. SO, I suggest , only those who stick their noses on government activities and governance will be taxed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

    TAX THE FRIGGIN’ PARASITE CHURCH!

    • efffyoufools

      you are a skunk who wants to live in your country, tax free. shame on you parasite..

  • Platypus09

    I guess all churches are parasites.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    Ang matatapang ang hiyang mga bishop na ito ay hindi titigil ng pakikialam sa gobyerno dahil lumitaw ang tunay na kahinaan nila sa RH bill na naghamon pa na Magkakasusubukan daw sa final voting sa Kongreso at Senado.

    Ano ang resulta ng RH bill? Dapa na ngudngud pa ang mga hinayupak na Dmasos na mga ito.

    Hoy puwede ba tumigil na kayo mga bishop at inis na inis na sa inyo ang taong bayan.

    Wala ba kayong pakiramdam at pakialam sa damdamin ng taong bayan?

  • boypalabobo

    If this is what the CBCP is doing today, imagine what the entire Catholic Church did in the past 2000 years, when it had real power – land, resources, political and military.  No wonder they killed so many people before.  

    Rizal was one of the victims of the Church.People should leave this False Church and search for the True Church setup by Christ and his disciples.

    • boldyak

      and pay ikapo…

  • Jack Phalaphitac

    Revelations. Now it can be told. The real reason why this Damaso paid Gwen Garci a visit in the capitol last week is to tell her that she only won as governor because she manipulated the PCOS machines in Cebu and she should leave that office and accept the fact that she cheated the Cebuanos in the last elections. 

    What happened above is nothing short of a miracle. Astonished, I woke up. Just a bizarre dream. But when one contemplates on it, ain’t there a lot more bizarre things the Damasos are doing nowadays?

  • Platypus09

    CBCP is going to get stronger when their candidates in the upcoming elections will win.

    Watch out, don’t underestimate their capabilities.

    If other religious groups are working hard, and so are the CBCP. They should play politics just like other religious groups.

    Fair is fair, ‘ika nga.

    “Do what the Romans do when you are in Rome”.

    • joshmale2004

      SO, THEY WANT TO BE FULL TIME POLITICAL KING MAKERS. NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS WAG SILA MASYADONG PIKON PAG BINATIKOS AT NILAIT SILA DAHIL GANYAN KADUMI ANG POLITICS NA SASALIAN NILA.KAYA YUNG MGA KATOLIKO DITO, WAG KAYONG BALAT SIBUYAS PAG BINABASTOS NA MGA PARI NYO DAHIL PINASOK NA DIN NILA POLITICS. PAG BINASTOS SILA, HINDI DAHIL SA DIYOS KUNDI DAHIL KAY CAESAR.

      • boldyak

        they will just support who they think are good…morally and spiritually 

      • joshmale2004

        AH OK. malinis pala para sa kanila sina Erap, Binay, Sotto, Jinggoy, Revilla, GMA, Corona, Morato, Geminio at iba pa.

  • wysiwyg81

    as a concerned catholic i hope and pray our ph catholic church leaders stay out of politics and concentrate on strengthening faith.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

       correct!

  • yyzxyz

    What happened to separation between the church and the state?  I guess that concept does not exist in the Philippines.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      Yan ang simbahan at politika sa Pilipinas. Only in the Philippines!!! Hay inang ko po. Well, common guys, let’s have fun in the Philippines.

    • boldyak

      hindi ko lang alam kung ano talaga ang ibig sabihin ng separatio f church and state….pag-aralan mo…

  • Pedro Geronimo

    Why I cannot understand is why our bishops, cardinal, and priests are so intent in getting involved in politics. They quack like a duck, they walk like a duck, now they look and sound like our trapos. Pati ba naman simbahan namumulitika?

    • boldyak

      masama ba ang sabihin nila ang gusto nila?…sila ba nagpapalakad ng gobyerno?…kung gagamit sila ng influence at sa tingin nyo masama, masama rin ba ang ginagawa ng mg business groups in saying what they want?…wala na ba silang karapatan sabihin ang sa tingin nila dapat gawin?…pag-aralan nyo mabuti kung sumusuway ang simbahan sa constitution…lahat may karapatan sabihi ang dapat nilang sabihin…ang simabahan ba nag gumagawa ng batas?…ang simbahan ba nagpapalakad ng gobyerno?…

  • Platypus09

    Win or lose, CBCP will work hard to influence politics especially when religious principles are jeopardized and affected negatively.

    If Catholics were involved in wars before, why can’t they now?

    They are in full force.

    • joshmale2004

      SO, THEY WANT TO BE FULL TIME POLITICAL KING MAKERS. NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS WAG SILA MASYADONG PIKON PAG BINATIKOS AT NILAIT SILA DAHIL GANYAN KADUMI ANG POLITICS NA SASALIAN NILA.KAYA YUNG MGA KATOLIKO DITO, WAG KAYONG BALAT SIBUYAS PAG BINABASTOS NA MGA PARI NYO DAHIL PINASOK NA DIN NILA POLITICS. PAG BINASTOS SILA, HINDI DAHIL SA DIYOS KUNDI DAHIL KAY CAESAR.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

         Ang CBCP kampon ni HESTAS at ni BARABAS……

  • RomyLitz

    The advocacies of the CBCP and the Filipino voters:
    1) Dont vote for a protestant president : Filipino voted El Tabako, CBCP =0
    2) Dont vote for El Bigote, The Filipinos voted for Estrada, CBCP =0
    3) Dont impeach Atong, the Senate voted 20-3, CBCP =3
    4) Dont approve RH Bill !!, it now becomes a LAW !! CBCP =0

    The CBCP’s anemic or near Zombie’s life support is pathetic ! Now , they want to challenge the COMELEC.My question is : when will they learn??

    • regd

      Ans: They do learn, they just turn off a bunch of moral switches inside their infertile brains!

  • joshmale2004

    This has bolstered my suspicion that UNA already allied with CBCP for the use of the church’s pulpit for use of UNA’s campaign. Imagine paying the Bishops’ pulpit at 50% less compared to the price for media ads during the campaign?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

       Hindi kaya kampon ni BARABAS ang CBCP? Nag tatanong lang po?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000532465679 Donardo Cuago

    SOBRA NA TALAGA ‘TONG MGA OBISPO NA TO! SAMANTALANG NOONG PANAHON NI GMA, ANG EXCUSE NILA…”EVERYBODY CHEATS ANYWAY!”
    DIYOS KO PO…LINAWIN NYO PO ANG KANILANG MGA ISIPAN!

    • boldyak

      ….mo rin!

      • UrHONOR

        OPS…sorry,  Bisyap.  Ako na po ang hihingi ng paumanhin sa mga yan sa pakiki-alam ninyo sa gobierno.  Napa-mura tuloy kayo na di oras.  OK naman din po yan,  bisyap, dahil madalas din po namin naririnig ang pagmumura ng mga iba pang mga bisyaps pag walang masyadong taong nakakarinig.  Again, sorry po,  bisyap.  Huwag po sana kayong madada la dito.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    Incredible! CBCP in addition to being an “expert” on sex, marriage and pills is now also an expert on computerized voting machines.  

    I guess Sen. Pimentel’s concern is valid; however, the more 3rd pary IT experts to examine the source code, the more the risk that same could be leaked out. Better to just trust the official and authorized IT experts from Comelec itself to do the debugging and fine tuning of the machines, if necessary.

  • Platypus09

    If the Catholicism has been shortchanged by politics, politics they will go for.

    They cannot just be mummed and not do anything about it.

    Do you expect them to just tolerate things no matter what happened? Do you call that exploitation of their supposedly being nice, subservient and supposedly good?

    Are you out of your mind? They will do something to you that you deserve.

    • joshmale2004

      Then what happened to Jesus’ teachings of humility to them especially to St Peter?

      • boldyak

        is examining the PCOS machine make one an unbeliever or Jesus?..

      • joshmale2004

        Hehehe. Basahin mo nga post ni Platypus09 kung tungkol sa PCOS sinasabi niya na nag comment ako?

  • joshmale2004

    MAGKANO KAYA USAPAN NG CBCP AT UNA SA DARATING NA ELEKSYON. I’M SURE MILYON NA NAMAN KIKITAIN NG CBCP SA UNA AT TAX FREE PA. CBCP IS NOW STARTING TO TRANSFORM INTO A POLITICAL PARTY AND NOT RELIGIOUS PARTY. RATHER GOOD BUSINESS THAN MONEY FROM OFFERINGS.

    • boldyak

      is there something to hide regarding the PCOS machine why you don’t want it examined?…is there something wrong in verifying these machines?…

      • Edgardo Rosal

        we can verify. but that is very different in blatantly saying that it is flawed, right before any verification is done. isn’t it a teaching that you shall do these kind of things? saying that something is at fault without concrete evidence?

      • joshmale2004

        Hehehe. Basahin mo kasi ibang post ko below. I never said I don’t want it examined. Sinabi ko pa nga sa baba na para walang rason ang CBCP pag natalo mga manok nila sa election eh pagbigyan na ng Comelec gusto nila kahit wala sila sa ayos.

      • BurgerBeacon

        Andaming bading at mga pedophiles na mga kapari-an diyan eh, bakit hindi ito ang atupagin ng CBCP, haha…  Ni minsan hindi ako nakarinig na tumuligsa ang CBCP ng mga pare na dugong biyerde…

  • Platypus09

    There is no separation of church and state in the Philipppines.

    That is only in paper.

    Realistically, all religious groups are involved in politics before, now and future.

    That is going to continue for more centuries.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

      Correct ka jan! Kasi ginagamit lang ang relehiyon, para kumita ng limpak-limpak na pera. “Tax Free kasi ang kinikita ng alin mang sekta o simbahan. Likas na reliheyoso ang mga Pinoy. Kaya tini-take for granted ng mga pare’t obispo pati mga pastor nang lahat na mga nagsusulputang mga SUGO kuno ng ating “Mahal na Panginoon” ang kahinaan ni Juan De La Cruz. Look at this group of religiuos people during election period. Kabi-kabila ang pag-hingi ng “abuloy” o “ikapu” sa mga ganid na pulitiko ng bayan. Bato-bato sa langit ang tamaan ay huwag magalit. Cge kayo, tutubuan kau ng CANCER sa utak!

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    CBCP you need to pay your taxes,since you want to join UNA…

  • Platypus09

    Catholicism in the Philippines will play politics just like other religious groups such as INC, “born-against”, and so forth. These are signs of our times..

    • boldyak

      yeah, your kind are signs of times

      • Edgardo Rosal

        yup, the kind that doesn’t believe blindly from what others tell you to. without asking why

  • BurgerBeacon

    Get lost CBCP.  You belong to the dark ages.

    • boldyak

      go ahead we will be you there, later.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

        So you’re a Catholic bishop. Good to know. That explains your, ahem, posts. 

      • BurgerBeacon

        Ay may nasaktan pala.  Sorry.  Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan dapat lang!

  • RomyLitz

    SIMULATION FIRST !

    Outside programmers or software experts should not be allowed to see or tamper with the algorithm since any skilled hacker can be paid either by the CBCP or UNA to wreck havoc on the COMELEC’s billion-peso software. The best way is to simulate from 1,000,000 ( one million voters) volunteers nationwide by regions and see if their votes can be truly reflected 99.9% and simulate nationwide an inspector or group of inspectors trying to delete or fake or interfere with the voting entries and check if it can be detected. Of course , the witnesses will be the doubting Thomases , the media and the politicians of all parties and this simulation must be documented. Conclusions can be derived after the simulation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2VPSRNUA6MZGXS7FX6W5ZRCBI Antonio

    PCOS  machines are more believable than these BISHOPS..

    • boldyak

      and these Bishops are more believable than you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2VPSRNUA6MZGXS7FX6W5ZRCBI Antonio

        oh i see, that’s why they lost their anti-RH bill campaign? 

      • Stun Black

         deep pockets.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2VPSRNUA6MZGXS7FX6W5ZRCBI Antonio

        are u talking about the BISHOPS?

      • boldyak

        they don’t have pork barrel to dangle….doyou believe that without the pork barrel RH Bill will be passed?…be real..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

        bakit lahat ba ng bumoto kontra sa rh bill ay hindi nakatanggap ng pork nila? ang mga bishop kamo ang walang natanggap kaya putok butsi nila…

  • Platypus09

    Cheating and corruption are parts of politics.

    All religious groups do play politics.

    Thus, religious leaders will engage in cheating and corruption.

    Nothing much you can do, it will happen.

  • tsugtsug

    the line separating religion and politics is getting thinner and thinner and thinner…………..

  • bosesprobinsyano

     

    Problems will happen that is why  we are here to help solve them.

    Church leaders  and  people are citizens  too and there is no line that divide us as
    citizens- we are one.

    Separation of Church and state  means   the government will  not adopt or favor one religion , no law
    shall favor any religion, no  public
    funds shall be used for purely religious purposes . Thus, the government can
    not  say it is adopting INC,  nor will 
    a budget be used for INC, or RC, or UCCP .  That’s the    gist of  separation of  Church and state . It does not prohibit any
    citizen or person  or religion from airing
    their voice and sentiments  or views.

  • Platypus09

    Catholic leaders are in full force to take back what they have lost, playing politics and not.

    Just watch out. Here they come.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

    First and foremost, let me state that I’m a practicing and devout Catholic Christian. However, let me also state that I’m not blind to the events happening around me. I also happen to be a low-end tech enthusiast and in my humble opinion, opening the entire source codes (I’m assuming that they’re asking for the entire source code to be examined – if I have assumed incorrectly, just point it out to me – thanks) is like shutting down the security protocols of a bank.

    The source code is the lifeblood of a computing device (smartphones, computers, and many other machines including the PCOS). In a nutshell, it is the fuel that commands almost every section, peripheral, or attendants of such devices. Now, how will opening up the entire PCOS source code affect the machines integrity?

    Consider this: what if a smart**s geek managed to figure out the flow of the program and manages to clone such flow at his/her garage back home and succeeds in creating a code snippet that would, not only disrupt, but in fact alter, the way data is being transmitted by the machine?

    Impossible? ho-ho-ho… if you say it is impossible, then you are still living in the 19th century…

    Ask any techie, geek or even a student programmer that if he/she knows the entire source code of a particular device, would he/she be able to create a code snippet to that particular program so as to add an extra instruction for a such device to perform an additional task? Go ahead and ask them.

    I’m not saying that the PCOS machines are perfect. But I’m not inclined to agree with His Eminence, Bishop Palma, for those machines to be examined by the so-called experts, particularly if such “experts” are from here. If there is any examination to be done, let the concerned parties, CBCP and others, raise funds for geeks and experts from the CERT Program’s Source Code Analysis Laboratory (SCALe) to come here and test and examine the PCOS source codes. Let me repeat that, let the concerned parties raise funds for CERT experts to come here and check out the integrity of the source code of the PCOS machines.

    I’m guessing that local experts would be scoffing at my idea and might say that they also know what the CERT experts know – kind of like the typical mentality of a so-called local expert who have no idea that he/she is already beaten. These local experts are the same so-called “experts” who advice some government agencies like PIA, DOST and other government agencies whose websites were recently and repeatedly hacked by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

    So if someone from COMELEC is reading this, try to put forward a proposal for all the concerned parties to raise enough funds for CERT experts to come to the Philippines and examine the entire source code. And assuming the CERT geeks issue a certification as to the integrity or defectiveness of the source code, let such certification stand so that the issue will be put to rest. I hope other forum posters here would take up my call.. Thank you all and have a great day!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      “Consider this: what if a smart**s geek managed to figure out the flow of the program and manages to clone such flow at his/her garage back home and succeeds in creating a code snippet that would, not only disrupt, but in fact alter, the way data is being transmitted by the machine?”
      That is possible if the “network” is not protected using data encryptor like THALES and the PCOS machines certificates were not loaded, which any “rouge” computer or unauthorized PCOS machine connected to the network can communicate and transmit election returns to the PCOS server….

      If there will be hacking incidents, it will be from within…and not from the outside source…

  • mangtom

    The letter P in the CBCP is Politics. The CBCP is the political arm of the Catholic Church.
    Makes one feel like throwing up-yuck.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

     If there is any examination to be done, let the concerned parties, CBCP and others, raise funds for geeks and experts from the CERT Program’s Source Code Analysis Laboratory (SCALe) to come here and test and examine the PCOS source codes. Let me repeat that, let the concerned parties raise funds for CERT experts to come here and check out the integrity of the source code of the PCOS machines.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

    If there is any examination to be done, let the concerned parties, CBCP and others, raise funds for geeks and experts from the CERT Program’s Source Code Analysis Laboratory (SCALe) to come here and test and examine the PCOS source codes. Let me repeat that, let the concerned parties raise funds for CERT experts to come here and check out the integrity of the source code of the PCOS machines.

    I’m guessing that local experts would be scoffing at my idea and might say that they also know what the CERT experts know – kind of like the typical mentality of a so-called local expert who have no idea that he/she is already beaten. These local experts are the same so-called “experts” who advice some government agencies like PIA, DOST and other government agencies whose websites were recently and repeatedly hacked by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

    So if someone from COMELEC is reading this, try to put forward a proposal for all the concerned parties to raise enough funds for CERT experts to come to the Philippines and examine the entire source code. And assuming the CERT geeks issue a certification as to the integrity or defectiveness of the source code, let such certification stand so that the issue will be put to rest. I hope other forum posters here would take up my call..

  • http://www.facebook.com/arthur.quinones.5 Arthur Quinones

    Hindi trabaho ng CBCP ang makialam sa ganyan, pakialaman ninyo ang mga maling turo ninyo. Kayo ang sumunod sa turo ng Bibliya. Huwag na kayo makialam sa Gobyerno.

  • Edgardo Rosal

    hindi mo pala alam eh, bakit dada ka ng dada? inutusan mo pa ang ibang tao para mag aral para sayo

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

     If there is any examination to be done, let the concerned parties, CBCP and others, raise funds for geeks and experts from the CERT Program’s Source Code Analysis Laboratory (SCALe) to come here and test and examine the PCOS source codes. Let me repeat that, let the concerned parties raise funds for CERT experts to come here and check out the integrity of the source code of the PCOS machines.

    I’m guessing that local experts would be scoffing at my idea and might say that they also know what the CERT experts know – kind of like the typical mentality of a so-called local expert who have no idea that he/she is already beaten. These local experts are the same so-called “experts” who advice some government agencies like PIA, DOST and other government agencies whose websites were recently and repeatedly hacked by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

    So if someone from COMELEC is reading this, try to put forward a proposal for all the concerned parties to raise enough funds for CERT experts to come to the Philippines and examine the entire source code. And assuming the CERT geeks issue a certification as to the integrity or defectiveness of the source code, let such certification stand so that the issue will be put to rest. I hope other forum posters here would take up my call..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

     If there is any examination to be done, let the concerned parties, CBCP and others, raise funds for geeks and experts from the CERT Program’s Source Code Analysis Laboratory (SCALe) to come here and test and examine the PCOS source codes. Let me repeat that, let the concerned parties raise funds for CERT experts to come here and check out the integrity of the source code of the PCOS machines.

    I’m guessing that local experts would be scoffing at my idea and might say that they also know what the CERT experts know – kind of like the typical mentality of a so-called local expert who have no idea that he/she is already beaten. These local experts are the same so-called “experts” who advice some government agencies like PIA, DOST and other government agencies whose websites were recently and repeatedly hacked by the hacktivist group Anonymous.

    So if someone from COMELEC is reading this, try to put forward a proposal for all the concerned parties to raise enough funds for CERT experts to come to the Philippines and examine the entire source code. And assuming the CERT geeks issue a certification as to the integrity or defectiveness of the source code, let such certification stand so that the issue will be put to rest. I hope other forum posters here would take up my call..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Why you invite some expert outside and spend money when your fellow can do it? You do not believe in your fellow? In what programming language does the PCOS’s voting application developed from that Filipinos can’t examine on their own???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EJAN54DLNYEZIU54O6AQWNH5CE disay

         @jezzrel : Oh c’mon jezzrel! are you one of the so-called local experts here? do you call yourself and other locals like you more adept than experts at CERT and CERN? Please don’t be so naive and boisterous, not to mention pretentious, that you think you know how to check these PCOS machines out. FYI, its not only the programming language that you must know but the algorithm that goes with it. If you are such an expert on such matters, why don’t you develop your own PCOS?
        b@yahoo-D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY:disqus

        sides jezzrel, please don’t be such a hypocrite! we all know that a lot of the so-called local experts here are just modifying source codes they downloaded from the internet then claim that the resulting software is theirs! I believe in Filipino talent and ingenuity. But for some self-professed experts to claim that they very much knowledgeable when it comes to these things is nothing short of hypocrisy. Besides jezzrel, it’s not the adequacy of Filipino programmers that i’m particularly concerned about but rather their propensity to become partial towards a particular political interest.

        Inviting certified foreign experts, particularly those from CERT or CERN, to check out the source codes (and algorithm) of the PCOS machines, might help put the issue to rest. I pose this challenge, let those who question the integrity of the PCOS machines raise the funds for CERT or CERN geeks to come here and examine the machines. And for your benefit, jezzrel, they might just send an expert with Filipino ancestry, they have a lot of them there, FYI. If you, jezzrel, consider yourself to be such an expert on programming languages and algorithms, then you might want to apply with CERT or better yet, with CERN.

        On a short note, before you apply for work with CERT or CERN, you might want to polish your English a bit. Good day!

  • simonibarra27

    False religion is poison! CBCP is not the true religion so wag nang magtaka! nakakalason na nga sila! @#$% yang mga Katolikoliko!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

      @simonibarra , Huwag mong lahatin ang katoliko ! Ako’y katoliko pero hindi ako sang-ayon sa pakikialam ng mga GANID na mga OBISPO AT PARE ! Nagdaramdam lang ang mga iyan dahil hindi sila binibigyan ng anumang regalo ni Pnoy. Si Gloria na REYNA ng corruption at pagnanakaw sa gobyerno ay mahal nila at hindi nila pinupuna dahil nasuhulan sila ng malalaking halaga at mamahaling sasakyan. NAKAKAHIYA ! Nagmamalinis ang mga KUNWARI ALAGAD DAW NG DIYOS pero ALAGAD NAMAN NG MGA KAMPON NG MGA MAPAGSAMATALA !

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67RMK3SB7FI22XPPEXF75OLOOA Marco

        Will SAID Kamandag! Katoliko rin po akong tunay, pero hindi magandang ehemplo ang gingawa ng mga matitinik nating mga OBISPO. Sangkatutak na kasinungalingan at kadramahan ang ipinapamalas nila. Hindi na tayo mga MANGMANG at hindi rin tayo ipinanganak lamang kahapon para umayon sa ipinaglalaban nila. These church leaders are trying to malign or conning people’s mind and beliefs so fourth for their personal gains crafted by the VATICAN. Rank & File ikanga. Mula sa itaas hanggang sa ibaba, sunod-sunoran sila sa utos. dahil ang utos ay hindi nababali.       

      • Guest

         “Katoliko rin po akong tunay, pero hindi magandang ehemplo ang gingawa ng mga matitinik nating mga OBISPO.”

        For this sentence alone, some fellow Catholics would like to see you excommunicated.

  • bosesprobinsyano

     

    Issues /Points that  CBCP/all religious groups and civil society should
    also  lobby for the government to  take action/congress to make laws:

     

    -Funding for People’s Initiative and  peoples participation in different  local councils  and policy making bodies –including funding to
    educate the people that they have the power to propose  laws and influence  policy making bodies .

     

     – Freedom of
    Information Bill

     -Law that promotes
    total transparency in all government projects 
    from planning, pricing of materials, bidding, implementation and monitoring

     

    –        
    Improvement of the health system. Aside from sin taxes,
    may a health tax  be imposed and  make  health services available to all . But with corresponding
    punishment for those who abuse their body by  drinking, refusing to  be checked up, etc.

    –        
    Anti Dynasty Law- This is the cause of violence. Clans
    and groups  used violence  and government resources  to maintain power. If  they know that they cant hold  power forever, violence will be minimize.

     

    –        
    Is National ID System  good? Or 
    Regulations of the use of  sim cards/phone
    and internet? Australia and  progressive countries in Europe
    reportedly have ID  System  and 
    sim cards/cell phones are regulated. A  lot of crimes will be solved maybe if we have
    this. But a lot of religious leaders  want secrecy too .

     

    –        
    support  and incentive
    to farmers and producers of food. The farmers are among the poorest of the poor
    and neglected sector . They need care. If they will be productive and supported
    , they can make food  affordable .

     

    –        
    Jesus did not stay  in the convent but roamed around the neighborhood
    . The church can  have regular immersion
    and consultation with her people and then  propose to the government  good  laws , policies and programs which will help  solve  the problems of the society . Church leaders can
    seek the aid of  church own schools like
    ATENEO, LASALLE, SAND BEDA , and good schools owned by INC and other religions,
    or their own network to  DRAFT, AND PROPOSE
    good laws and policies .

     

    –        
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBIZ5ZTCHCIQ7PILRDPH5EWWMY Fernando

      What is the CBCP trying to do? Be the master of everything in  the Philippines? What they should focus now is how the church should help in feeding the hungry millions as a result of keeping the people to produce millions of babies by keeping them ignorant of ways by which unwanted pregnancies could be avoided and not middling with the  functions of the comelec and other government agencies. Let them do their jobs

      Give unto God what’s God’s and unto Cesar what’s Cesar’s. There should be a real separation of religion and the state to avoid chaos.

  • Platypus09

    All religious groups are working hard to be able to control our governments, not just Catholics.

    Politics, that is, Philippine style. That should not be a surprise. It has been like that since time immemorial.

  • lolo_Jose

    Ala eh umandar na naman pagiging pakialamero ng simbahan pati gagamitin machines gusto
    ay pakialaman..Ang gobyerno ba nakialam sa inyo kung anong klaseng hostia o alak ang
    pinaiinom ninyo? Nasaktan lng mga ego at pride ninyo dahil talo kayo sa RH Bill..Sus
    Inang maawain kakasora na kayo…

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Macalintal said that to date, those people claiming that the 2010 PCOS machines have defects or could be manipulated have failed to provide concrete proof that the 2010 election results were rigged. This, he said is the reason why no election protest involving the 2010 elections had been successfully pursued.<<<

    OP kors, sino ba naman si Macalintal at ang COMELEC para dapat paniwalaan ng mga ANO sa CBCP?  May nakikipag-text ba sa kanila na na sa "ITAAS"?  WALA!  May bumubulong sa kanila na kung ano ang dapat na mangyari sa lahat ng bagay?  WALA!  May nag-uudyok ba sa kanila na salungatin ang mga masasalungat sa ngalan ng mga mahihirap at mga mangmang sa lipunan?  WALA!  May pera ba sila na sing dami ng sa RCC?  WALA din!  SO, sino ang nararapat na paniwalaan?  OP kors, HINDI and CBCP!

  • Ilving Tabios Zamora

    I would rather that the CBCP investigate the “white smoke signal” the Roman Catholic Church uses in selecting and announcing  new popes.  LOL.

  • jian_sadako

    Actually, whether manual or computerized di talaga siya perfect. Even the church is not perfect. So long as it is run by man who is not perfect any institution on earth is prone to mistake. In any case, okay lang naman na i review ang mga dapat i review (pero i consider ang timing, budget meaning cost-benefit. is there a conclusive proof na talagang rampant ang magiging dayaan sa machine na iyan?) but let’s keep an open mind.

  • UrHONOR

    KUNG sabagay, may katwiran din naman ang Cathoholic na magsiyasat dahil noon dinaya ata ang VERY POWERFUL CATHOHOLIC VOTERS nang nanalo ang isang Protestante na si Ramos. At sa mahaba-habang panahon, ang gobierno ay na sa kuko ng isang portestante na nagpapatakbo ng bayan na nobenta’y otso porsiyento na catholic.  Tama po ba Gen Erap at Gen Glo?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

    why not the CBCP will become comelec..

    • brunogiordano

      “why not the CBCP will become comelec..”

      Di lalong nagkamagic magic ang resulta ng mga election.

      At tuwing mananalo ang kanilang mga kandidato, ang sasabihin nila ay –

      IT’S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!

  • Mann

    …so this is their message for the holiday season? I think the church is confused of its role or maybe their tired of preaching God’s word that they are now doing the work of other organizations…

    • brunogiordano

      “…..so this is their message for the holiday season? I think the church is confused of its role or maybe their tired of preaching God’s word that they are now doing the work of other organizations…”

      Very good observation!!!!!!

      Tila ang mga pari, obispo at cardinal ang mga naliligaw ng landas ngayon.

      Hindi na talagang mapagkakatiwalaan ang mga ito.

      • Observer_din

        oo nga sir kawawa naman sila, naliligaw ng landas, baka kailangan na nila ng payo natin.. heheheh

    • joshmale2004

      To prove your observations, compare the message of the Pope in the Vatican last Christmas against the many messages of the CBCP. it seems CBCP is a break away organization from the Vatican. Dapat disiplinahin na sila ng Vatican.

      • white scorpion

        ano, M-cbcp-LF?….. LOL.

      • Observer_din

        tama!! disiplinahin sila, ilipat  sila lahat sa afghanistan, doon nila patunayan na ginagawa lang nila ang mga ganitong pag-iingay dahil sa sinusunod nila ang utos ng diyos..

  • iping2sison

    The CBCP again passes a judgment which they do not have the knowledge nor comprehension of the PCOS machines. “JUDGE NOT AND YOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED” as taught by Jesus Christ but the clergy does not abide with it..  . 

  • Platypus09

    Politics in the Philippines has been influenced by religious dominations, not just Catholics.

    Why are you guys surprised? Where have you all been?

    I am surprised by your reactions, not on what is going on.

  • RomyLitz

    Catholic’s proclivity towards inquest based on their whims like the infamous “Inquisition”  is still fresh. This time, their flocks are questioning their cross-eyed or bogus chuch teachings. They are the real thieves and bandits in robes !

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    NAG UTOS NA NAMAN ANG MGA DAMASO!! MUKANG PAJERO HINDI KAYO HARI SATANAS KAYO!! KAYA DUMAMI ANG MGA BATANG HUBO!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MALAKI ANG MATATANGGAP NG OBISPONG ITO SA GOBERNOR NG CEBU PUNO NA NAMAN ANG BULSA NI BISHOPS KANINO MILYON ITO BISHOPS AMEN!! HYPOCRITE!

  • Platypus09

    No matter what you guys think, politics in the Philippines would stay the same, with or without the influences of these churches.

    And all the churches would continue on what they have been doing and their church services
    whether or not you attend.

    If you don’t attend, that is your choice, depriving yourself of muchly -needed spiritual life.

    Life goes on, and on, and on…

  • LegalJustice

    CBCP nobody believe and listen to them  – don’t take them seriously they are full of baloney and they never practice Jesus Christ teaching. They are devil worshiper they confused and mislead a lot of there flocks. Stop donating money give it to the right organization who will give it to the poor.

    Do you know Vatican is the riches country in the planet earth.

    • buttones

      It maybe the case that the Vatican is very rich, I really know of no landowners that own that sort of real estate for a start, the US government are huge landowners, and it can be quantified, and they are obliged to do so, it’s basic common knowledge, the problem, or the issue is, the Vatican is not actually a democratic State, it is an elected theocracy, and does not answer to anybody.

    • white scorpion

      i believe you. dito sa atin din. ang yet panay ang hingi ng DONATION. minsan SIMBAHAN ang hinihinging donation.

  • buttones

    “Palma, CBCP president, told a news conference at the Archbishop’s Palace on Wednesday that he believed the PCOS machines had defects.”

    Well I for one don’t know as much as an archbishop about IT software, hardware, source codes and all that sort of thing, clearly the man has got more time on his hands than I have. It may, or may not have been the case these machines had glitches on their first use, but we are assured these are, have been addressed for 2013. And I would also argue that the people who were involved in election vote counting and so on, before these machines came into use were far more ‘defective’ than any machine, that is another reason why PH got the reputation of being corrupt. We all read before about all the losers accusing all the winners of vote rigging, vote buying and even worse… and I have no doubt a lot went on, and even now vote ’buying’ goes on, CCT for one…the difference now it’s very difficult to forge votes, and we don’t have people adding up, a machine does it, people were always hopeless at adding up- that’s why we have calculators…. 2+2 is always 4, before it could have been 30.…..and very often was.

    On the opinions of bishops and meddling in State affairs, this has been going on for ever, to a point once, where an English King got so irked [ yes, kings as well as presidents get ’irked] he just told Rome what to do with their Church, stared his own Church, claimed all the churches in the land for his own, threw out all the statues, tore them off the facades of cathedrals and that was the end of that..

    Churches interfere, always have done –

  • Platypus09

    I thought China is the richest country in the world.

    And they practice “born-against” Christian religion…

    • buttones

      Depends what you mean about being ‘rich’ Per capita- Qatar are streets ahead of China, and everybody else as well.

  • $14334231

     for the last time, could you bishops stop meddling with politics???…if you men of cloth really want to change how the government runs its business…RUN FOR AN ELECTIVE OFFICE….puro puna lang ang alam ninyo….kumandidato kayo para presidente at pag nanalo kayo, magagawa ninyo ang gusto n’yo…..’yon nga lang, iboto kaya kayo ng mga katolikong botante na alagad (ay hindi, alipin pala) ng simbahan??…otherwise, please ZIP your MOUTH!!!!!…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

    bakit sino ba ang nasa pwesto nung nakaraang eleksyon ng ginamit yang pcos machine? di ba si gloria? bishop you are barking at the wrong tree! kung me anomaliya sa pcoos noon sigloria me kagagawan nun…

    • Observer_din

      yun nga nakapagtataka sir eh, di sila nag-push na maimbestigahan ito, dahil kaya sa mga natanggap nila galing ke GLORIA?? hehehe

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    DAMASO still Meddling.

  • white scorpion

    walangdyo! ang mga pari sa pinas. nagte-technician na rin. political analyst pa. weather man pa. in short, they know everything. master of NONE.

  • Observer_din

    Ano ba yan, me bago na naman kayong pinasok na issue?? PNOY di ba ako BOSS mo, patigilin mo na nga itong mga maiingay na ito, IBILI MO NA SILA LAHAT NG PAJERO GAMIT ANG PONDO NG PCSO AT PAGCOR!!!  HAHAHAHAHAA

  • Guest

    This is an indication that they subtly gave up the fight against RH law.

  • disqusted0fu

    Finally! someone calls out on the probe of the PCOS machines! there have been a bunch of issues on the elections that are being talked about here and there that people have been forgetting about one of the most important components of the elections.

    if this administration can manipulate people with a snap of a finger, they can for sure manipulate machines even better.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

      bakit sino ba ang nasa pwesto nung nakaraang eleksyon ng ginamit yang
      pcos machine? di ba si gloria?  you are barking at the wrong tree!
      kung me anomaliya sa pcos noon si gloria me kagagawan nun…

      • disqusted0fu

        you must be one of those who are still dwelling on the past administration. but i am talking about the now. thats why there havent been much progress in the present because people’s attention are drawn to the past by the current administration. there is nothing we can get from dwelling on that.

  • Jason Cruz

    Hoy padre Damaso, galit ka pa rin kay Pinoy. ? Huwag na kayong makisawsaw sa politika.

    Hindi na kayo suportado ng nakararaming pilipino.  Bistado na kayo sa matagal ninyong pangloloko.   Yung bilyones ninyong pera magbigay kayo sa mahihirap kahit konti lang ng inyong kayamanan.

  • Guest

    Is it coincidence that amid this “stand-off” between Gwendolyn Garcia and GPH, CBCP president Jose Palma is proposing such move?

  • edm365f31

    Can’t somebody sue the Church in meddling with the affairs of the state; they should hit them were it hurts their money bank.  Only in philippines.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      And Tax !

  • joe__bloggs

    The Catholic Church participating in democratic debate? As long as it does not exempt itself from this democratic scrutiny – that is got to be good. 

    But what say the Pope?

  • 444mangyan888

    I am a catholic and i am saying it loud now..!!!
      My bishops STOP meddling in government affairs because you are violating the constitution..!!!
      Do not even try to invoke your right as a private citizen this time as if you are speaking on your own..!!!  By using the name of cbcp, you are effectively announcing and making a stattement in behalf of the pinoys who are catholic, a clear violation of the constitution.
    If the government will dare charge them in court, i am in support of it..!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YAU43R25CAHGNYPHE6HLAM3V6Y Benjamin

    bwiset talaga itong mga malditang pari at obispong ito..kumandidato na lang kayo..tingnan ko kung may manalo sa inyo…mga bulok !!!



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