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Calungsod miracle bared

Remarkable recovery by comatose woman

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CEBU CITY—She had no idea who Blessed Pedro Calungsod was until she benefited from a healing miracle attributed to the intercession of the young Visayan martyr.

The miracle, recorded in March 2003, had since led the woman to start a devotion to the 17th century catechist from Cebu, said Msgr. Ildebrando Leyson, a lead advocate for Calungsod’s sainthood.

Officials of the Archdiocese of Cebu have chosen not to disclose the woman’s name for now out of respect for her privacy.

But her identity will be made public when she accompanies the Philippine delegation to the Vatican for Calungsod’s canonization, now a certainty thanks to a papal decree issued last week.

Leyson described her as a businesswoman in her 50s, not a Cebuana but someone who hails from Eastern Visayas.

The woman knew nothing of Calungsod prior to her astounding recovery within hours after falling into a coma at around 2 p.m. on March 26, 2003, due to insufficient oxygen in the brain, Leyson told the Inquirer on Friday.  The coma rated “3” on the Glasgow Coma Scale, meaning she had no verbal or motor response, and could not even open her eyes.

It was actually one of the doctors who prayed to Calungsod for help after the patient suffered complications a day after undergoing heart surgery in a Cebu City hospital, the monsignor recalled.

“Those who were looking at her brain data knew from experience that the woman would die the next day,” Leyson said.

It was at this point of near resignation that the doctor uttered a prayer to Calungsod.

At around 6 p.m., the woman woke up.

According to the doctors, if any recovery was still possible from such a comatose state, it would take weeks and the patient would be reduced to “a vegetable, paralyzed and unable to speak,” Leyson said.

And yet the woman recovered in just four hours and showed no signs of physical impairment whatsoever.

As word spread around the hospital, more doctors and other members of the medical staff rushed to the patient’s room.

‘Who is that?’

One of them wondered whether there had been a misreading of the patient’s brain data, but a check later showed that all measurements were accurate.

“That is the miracle,” Leyson said.

According to Leyson, when the doctor told the patient that she should thank Calungsod for her new lease on life, the woman asked with a puzzled look: “Who is that?”

The grateful woman has since devoted a part of her day saying novena prayers to Calungsod, who was beatified by then Pope John Paul II in 2000, three years before the miracle.

On Monday last week, Pope Benedict XVI issued a decree acknowledging the woman’s healing as a miracle obtained through Calungsod’s intercession.

During the long process of verification, it had to be established that only Calungsod was called out by the woman’s doctor and not any other saint or figure honored by Catholics, Leyson explained.

The monsignor said the Pope would meet with the cardinals in February next year to seek approval on the move to declare Calungsod a saint. Only after this stage can a date for the canonization rites be set, he added.

Lay catechist Calungsod was born in what was then the Diocese of Cebu which covered the Philippine islands of Panay and Mindanao as well as the Pacific island of Guam.

A lay catechist, Calungsod died in Guam while trying to defend his fellow mission worker, Jesuit priest and now Blessed Diego Luis de San Vitores, when the natives attacked them on April 2, 1672. Calungsod was 17 years old.

Machete attack

Calungsod was struck by a spear and his skull was split with a machete blow. Their bodies were then tied together and thrown into the sea.

On March 5, 2000, Pope John Paul II beatified Calungsod along with 43 other martyrs in ceremonies held at St. Peter’s Square in Rome. The Vatican officially set April 2 as Calungsod’s feast day.

In his homily during the beatification, John Paul called on the youth to emulate Calungsod: “From his childhood, Pedro Calungsod declared himself unwaveringly for Christ and responded generously to his call.”

“Young people today can draw encouragement and strength from the example of Pedro, whose love of Jesus inspired him to devote his teenage years to teaching the faith as a lay catechist,” John Paul said.

In October this year, Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma said members of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Cause of Saints and all the cardinals had voted unanimously in favor of canonizing Calungsod, who would be the second Filipino saint.

The first Filipino saint, Lorenzo Ruiz, a parish scribe and former altar boy born in Binondo, Manila, was martyred in Japan in 1637. Ruiz was elevated to sainthood in 1987. With a report from Inquirer Research


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Tags: Archdiocese of Cebu , Blessed Pedro Calungsod , Msgr. Ildebrando Leyson , Pope Benedict XVI , young Visayan martyr


  • tonyoks

    when will we ever learn????
    this is the kind of brainwashing that our poor masses has been taking in since the spanish time…

    • Pikabo

      I don’t know who you are and am not interested to know. But your mere breathing, everyday you open your eyes, the intricacies of your internal organs that work together in harmony and orderly, the growing and dying of plants and animals. The passing of human life are just the signs that there is Someone bigger than you. If you cannot recognize those ordinary miracles in your life, it is better for you, tonyoks, to have your neck tied with a big rock and throw in the bottom of the sea for you are so blind not able to recognize the beauty of creation and the ordinary miracles it shows to human creatures. But, as usual as ungrateful human beings are like you, they tend to refuse to acknowledge a POWER that holds things on earth. The Church has just acknowledged this simple ordinary miracle in human life by putting the person in higher recognition who prays to God for another person’s healing. If you, tonyoks, will be stricken with dreadful disease, do not forget to pray to a divine Someone with a name of JESUS and you will sure be helped. Even many Muslims have acknowledged the power of Mary’s prayer to her Son Jesus.

      • Islaslolo

        My dear Pikabo: Isn’t it enlightening to live in a democratic country like the Philippines where we can discuss this subject without being burned on the stakes or boiled in oil. If you had lived in earlier times, for example during the Inquisition, you could be a torturer or a person applauding the torturers of  tonyoks while his neck was tied with a big rock and thrown in the bottom of the sea.

  • the_one_who_isnt_named

    And so it has come to pass. Our catechist-priest once told us to pray for help from new saints and those who are Blessed, as they are not too busy to listen to such petitions, kasi kakaunti pa ang nagdadasal sa kanila.

    However, a friend of mine miraculously healed of Hepa B some 20 years ago. We prayed to Our Lady of Manaoag, who apparently was never too busy to listen to our prayers.
     

  • entradajosph

    kalokohan!
    our body tends to heal itself and it is not a miracle.
    let us stop this stupidity.

  • http://twitter.com/toniosolano tony solano

    OMG. Praying for a dead man already healed this businesswoman? Isn’t it is the will of the Lord through His grace that this woman recover as she has more things to do in her life? Saints are in heaven. They are not omnipresent like God is. And even if someone should try and pray to them – there is no way that person would even hear your prayers to begin with.  
    1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV): “For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and mankind, the MAN Christ Jesus”.
    Jesus is the only person we should go through to reach God, not the Saints. But many say that the Saints are the mediator between man and Jesus. But John 14:6  says Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
    Our prayers should be directly address to God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and not to anyone. John 14:13–14 says “Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. “

  • napmat

    Tony solano, Don’t think that your prayer is as effective and listened to by God because you’re not perfect even in prayer.  Don’t you aware that when you pray you are not concentrating your thoughts to what you pray and even worse to God because your are in some instances, distructed by whatever evil thoughts the devil would entice you and that’s human nature.  But the saints and martyrs in heaven can hear you and bring your prayers to Jesus; The saints are more effective in prayer because they sin no more while you here on earth are still continuing to commit sins. Their prayers are descriminately listened to by God and if you don’t believe it, it is as if you don’t believe in bible because the scriptures in it are authored by saints: St Peter, St Paul, St James, Moses… how many more I should mention. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YE64RNOVXYKTPQ5CPJM7DTTWNE monching

      bakit, kailangan pa ba may rekomendasyon para pakinggan ng panginoong Jesus ang panalangin ng isang tao? just asking.

      • napmat

        Monching, just read the revealation and you will know what is the role of a saint. If not, read the “Acts of the Apostles” and you will know how many times Peter, Paul and others perform miracles. TheBible is talking of Godly people from whom he listens, he does not listen the prayers of the wicked. If you believe to your pastor who continue sinning while on earth, you should believe to the saints who sin no more.

      • antonioluna

        when jesus was crucified along two other thieves or wicked as you say, one of them talked to jesus he ask the lord if he could go along with him and according to the accounts jesus did bring one of the wicked to heaven because wicked or not he believes in him, it contradicts your statement.

        it is myth that God will only listen to saints or sacred or religious fanatics, the fact that God sent Jesus to save us sinners again contradicts your statement.

  • John_Galt_LA

    Wag kayong mag pa uto sa mga to. Mag isip kayong mabuti kung ano ang intensiyon ng mga katoliko!

  • alconce

    This divine intervention thing is pure rubbish. I do not believe in such things. When sick, why would I  seek treatment from  someone  who  knew nothing about medicine and had been dead a long time ago?

  • cato_the_younger

    I would be better comforted if the person who prayed for me prayed to God rather than Pedro Calungsod.

  • Guest

    A military service personnel who just returned from Iraq got into a vehicular accident in the US. He sustained severe brain injury which resulted into deep coma. Doctors have given up on him and suggested to his mother to have the life support removed. Two weeks later, he recovered without anyone praying to any saint. Many regard his recovery as a miracle but no one attributed it to any saint.

    Question: What is the purpose of the Catholic church attributing miracles as handiwork of the saints instead of attributing it to a “Higher Being.” We have thousands of Saints already yet their “devotees” live a sinful life..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IOQ4UHZ3OCDDBDOWCA5O3AEQBM Cayetano

    There is a universal divine power that is always around us and can influence human beings. It’s part of nature and our existing depend on it. You can feel the force if you believe in it. People may call it God, to other, it call Spirit and other call it the Master of Nature. 

    The christian and jew call it God, the muslim call it Allah, other call it Buddha, Shiva, Krishna, Etc, while indigenous people call it the spirit of nature or in our local dialect “magbabaya” You may name it as you wish to suit your own beliefs. . . Scientist call it Dark Matter . .May the force be with you.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KK3VYEGXHLKAGX5LS36MQMSLPE Lava

      Di ako alam jew call it GOD, ganun? English ang salita nila?
      Anong tawag sa GOD ng mga Chrsitian Egyptian na hindi marunong mag English? GOD din?
      Ang galing ah.

  • aldelpor

    Asking  a holy person’s intercession is like asking somebody to pray for your intentions. We often ask our friends and relatives to join us in our prayers, why not ask somebody who lead a grace filled life or a saint to join you in asking the Lord for some favors. If you are not Catholic or a Christian then do whatever pleases you, bu to say that this kind of thing is wrong is just a paltry discussion. 

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    Isn’t it that only God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient?  With all due respect but how could Pedro Calungsod be at the hospital, could have heard or known that someone was praying to him and performed the miraculous feat at that particular moment if he is not God?

    • kulittwit

      No doubt, God, through the intercession of calungsod, resulted in the miracle.

      God bless the Philippines.

      • TinimbangNgunitKulang

        Why would God need an intercessor? Can’t he do what he wants by himself being God?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Just as you need your family and friends to pray for you. Praying for another person is interceding. Saints are not dead, they are very much alive in the presence of God. If God hears the prayer of your family members on earth, he would surely hear the prayers of the living saints who see him and speak to him “face to face”.

      • TinimbangNgunitKulang

        To each his own. If I were to believe your explanation, I might as well believe in the tooth fairy.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Well, tooth fairy is a myth and not worthy of belief. Saints are not. They are very much alive and they are at work.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

    Prayer is the power of man but it is the weakness of God.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSPQ2FGKFZ4HSKTOZTFBAN5UXM Edgar

    Speaking of miracles, I think it’s a miracle how the church can thrust some obscure person from the 17th century into limelight and turn him into a saint or saintly status. The even bigger miracle is how the church is able to keep millions of Filipinos blind and obedient to the church.  Lorenzo Ruiz was killed in Nagasaki because he joined the Dominicans unwittingly in trying to incite rebellion in that country.  We all know how the European conquistadors used religion to invade, divide and conquer their colonies.  Pedro, too, unwittingly joined the Spaniards to colonize Guam in the name of God.  It is indeed a miracle how millions of Filipinos willingly embrace the church despite the lessons of history.  If miracles are the basis for sainthood, Gomburza should be on top our list.  If not for Gomburza, Rizal and other patriots of his generation would not have been awakened to fight for independence. 

    • Pedromarco123

      look at your logic man… ”
      If miracles are the basis for sainthood, Gomburza should be on top our list.  If not for Gomburza, Rizal and other patriots of his generation would not have been awakened to fight for independence.”… where’s the miracle there?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OSPQ2FGKFZ4HSKTOZTFBAN5UXM Edgar

        The miracle is that you are allowed to express your opinion freely in a free country.  If that doesn’t sound logical, it’s only because miracles are never logical, they’re always arbitrary if you haven’t noticed.  So the next time you’re looking for logic in miracles, you won’t find one.  And since a miracle is anybody’s call, so is sainthood.  But get this, the miracle in all this is that you are finally beginning to understand.  Your capability to piece things together and understand is the miracle.  Your parents must be real proud of you, son.

      • antonioluna

        miracle is coming from God not from a stone, what is illogical is most fanatics will believe it was the stone or an image that done it and yes lucifer can make miracle too just to make us believe that a stone or an image is our god.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

        NO! HANGAL! WHO IS ANGELICA ZAMBRANO???? ONE ONE CAN CLAIM THAT HE HAS A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH GOD AND HAS SEEN KAHINTULAD NG NAKIKITA NI HANGAL ZAMBRANO….but how can (s)he proves that it is really a vision katinhulad ng paraan na biyayang bigay kay evangelist John of the New Testament .Gamitin nyo COMMON SENSE HWAG sa mga sabi sabi…hahaha…parang isang libro..bago kayo bumili ng libro alamin nyo muna kung sino ang may akda sa librong iyon…sa kaso ni zambrano sino siya? anong buhay meron siya? Siya ba’y nabubuhay na BANAL etc. etc…etc…HAYYY NAKU MGA KULTO tlga..Anyway, the True Church of Christ is founded by Christ Himself and not by the false prophets of the modern time…KAWAWA ang mga nalilihis ng landas…May the GOD OF MERCY touch the hearts of this people and renew them in the LIGHT OF CHRIST. May the MOTHER OF GOD, MARY MOST HOLY pray for them that this people may see the LIGHT OF CHRIST!    IN NOMINE PATRIS ET FILII ET SPIRITUS SANCTUM! AMEN…

      • antonioluna

        eh di hindi ka rin naniniwala sa kwentu ni lazarus kasi hindi rin naman sya banal pero nakita nya rin ang langit at impyerno, ano pinaniniwalaan mo mga salita ang pari, baka mas hangal ka pa

      • alice_in_chains

        just curious bro, palagay ko hindi ka katoliko, pero kaninong salita ka niniwala?

      • antonioluna

        bro, maniwala ka, katoliko ako pero hindi sarado.

      • alice_in_chains

        alright. ako din eh. tulad din ng sinabi mo, hindi din ako naniniwala palagi sa pari lalo ng pag ang sermnon ay tungkol sa pulitika.  pero nirerespeto ko pa din ang simabahan sa pangkalahatan. palagay ko naman buo pa din ang pananampalataya ko sa Diyos.

      • SomeAnonymousGuy

        truth to be told, there are times when local priests aren’t even worth listening too when it comes to biblical theology.  There is one exception in our parish though – great biblical exegesis.

      • antonioluna

        baka naman kinakabahan ka na kaya ang lalaki na ng letrang gamit mo, noon si lazarus ay namatay at nabuhay wala rin naman testigo dahil sa pagitan lang nilang dalawa ng diyos ang naganap eh paano yan dalawa na ang may experience na parehas si lazarus at angelica zambrano at si zambrano ay sinasabing nakita nya ang santo papa, hindi ko sinasabing maniwala ka pero kung totoo ang sinasabi nya isa lang ang ibig sabihin noon sa impyerno ka din mapupunta at malamang magkaselda pa kayo ng santo papa

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

        HAHAHA..KULTO…papaano pakikinggan ng DIOS AMA ang mga tulad ni zambrano na kulto rin ..isang evangelical…MAG ISIP ISIP KA NGA HANGAL..tingnan natin sa kabilang buhay kung sino ang mga tulad nyo mapupunta sa imperyo…KAHIYA HIYANG MGA KULTO…

      • antonioluna

        kulto ka kaagad pero aminin mo ni hindi mo binigyan ng pagkakataon ang sarili mo na basahin ang testimonial nya dahil labag sa paniniwal mo labag sa pagiging panatiko mo, o hindi ba ang bilis mong maghusga ganyan ang asal ng mga katulad mo ngayon pa lang nararamdaman ko na ang duda at takot mo, patawa tawa ka pa kuno kahit panatiko ka umuukilkil na dyan sa sarado mong isip ang isang tanong na : PAANO KUNG TOTOO ANG SINASABI NI ANGELICA ZAMBRANO?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

        WTF?? wft? abnoy lang ang naniniwala sa mga patotoo ng kultong binanggit nyo…kung ako sa iyo mas kapani-paniwala ang mga taong dati naging kulto at kilala sa mga kinaaaniban nila gaya ng mga born again pastors/evangelicals, mormons, etc. etc. na bihasa at namumuhay na kalugud lugod sa mata ng DIOS na nagbalik loob sa INang SIMBAHAN.mapapanood sila sa JOURNEY HOME ng ewtn (cable channel)..FYI, protestants (christian denominations outside the Catholic Church) na mga ministers at pastors ay nagbalik loob sa Inang SIMBAHAN…kesa binanggit nyong Ecuadoriang kulto

      • antonioluna

        mga panatiko talaga ang daling magmura, ipagpipilitan ang gusto at mahilig pang manira ng ibang tao, total mahilig kang humingi ng ebidensya, may katunayan ka ba na hindi kulto ang kinaaaniban mo at may katibayan ka ba na kulto ang kay angelica zambrano?
        hindi porket nakararami ang inyong bilang ay tama kayo dahil noong panahon ni noah marami ang hindi naniwala sa kanya siguro alam mo naman nalunod lahat ng hindi naniwala sa kanya, marami talaga ang naliligaw sa katunayan kaunti lang ang maliligtas.
        noong dumating si kristo marami din ang hindi naniwala sa kanya, baka nga kung buhay ka na noon ay hindi ka rin naniwala sa kanya dahil sarado ang utak mo, abnoy ba kamo ang naniniwala sa mga bagong pamamaraan ng Diyos ng pagsisiwalat ng katotohanan mas abnoy siguro ang mga panatikong katulad mo at naniniwala lang dahil iyon ang ipinamulat sa kanilang paniwalaan, isinilang kang panatiko panatiko ka na habang buhay mo ang diyos mo ay bato at mga santo na gawa ng mga taong katulad mo.

      • Pedromarco123

        Yes. I got your point. But it’s my point you didn’t get. You said that if miracles are the basis for sainthood, then Gomburza will be on top of our list. You should have at least mentioned one miracle attributed to Gomburza to support your argument. Well if you what  the three priests did to encite the revolution and what they did physically is within the ambit of your definition of miracle, then you are free to believe then.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KK3VYEGXHLKAGX5LS36MQMSLPE Lava

    Did GOD help her or did Calungsod help her?

    Parang LTO ah, may fixer din sa heaven.

    Why can’t we pray directly to GOD?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YATE6O3KK7WZEKAAVMIFUEHXMI iyot

    Tapos na ang misa, dad-a ang kalinaw ibilin ang sobre & kwarta. Amen.

    When Calungsod was a teenager, I bet Calungsod just like any other boys, liked to jerk off too.

    :)

    • ahemmm

      maybe yes, but the thing is that he was willing to give up his life for something good. You can also be like him :-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZDWT46ZRHZRJPI7UASWJMXMGKE Alen

    yeah right, another racket from the church. looks like running out of ideas to fleece money from gullibles, now they have to make up stories for the “poor” spirited to hope  and wish for miracle. fits right to our culture, don’t work hard, just hope for god to provide miracles.

  • arao_liwanag

    This is the height of stupidity. where are your saints, prayer and God every earthquake, flood, storm and famine. Proponent of saint hood should be outcast for deception. Everytime there is a crisis you pray but ended up asking help from people, who don’t even bother the god of their prayers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LIAI3J4PISMOGFVMB4PLRZIMOI str8boy

    Ang galing ng conclusion. “Miracle” sana ito kung puro dasal lang at walang duktor at hindi nagpa-ospital. 

  • Jomex

    This is deception pure and simple.
    I cant believe people still believe in this.
    If miracles are true, their imaginary god should have prevented the CDO disaster.
    The pope is a fraud. He only wants to make more money.
    Get off your religion and you will live happier lives.

  • Ambotguid

    This bit of news is worthy of a Philippine Daily Inquirer headline??

    On the bright side, it’s probably good that there’s nothing shocking or sensational or tragic happening anywhere else in the world right now that allowed this tale to reach the front page.

  • MarcyPulilan

    Dapat si GMA din maging saint, ang bilis ng paggaling noong neck problems niya invoking her name.

    • linejohn

      kong si GMA maging santo dahil ang pangnalan ay (di) GLORIA deretso siya sa imperno ang bilis gumaling noong neck problem dahil nagartista para pupunta sa Veterans hospital buti naharang ni Delima at Media reporter sa NAIA airport, buking na buking si Auntie Gloria. walang naniwala sa iyo, pwe.

  • Jomex

    If god or gods are real, there would be no famine, war and natural disasters.

  • pilipinaskongminumutya

    only Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior, can perform miracle. All miracles today are directly coming from God, not through human beings who are already dead.

  • summum

    A German atheist wrote on a wall: “GOD IS DEAD, Nietzsche.”
    When Nietzsche died, something was written on a wall: “NIETZSCHE IS DEAD, God.”

    Anti-Catholic,atheists, et al, will soon be dead… and their soul will forever be rotten in Hades.

    • antonioluna

      angelica zambrano went to h3ll with jesus and she saw pope john paul II in there, i am just wondering why the head of all catholic end up there?if angelica zambrano is truthful to her account aren’t you afraid now since you are a catholic fanatic, i guess the only thing you can do is not to believe but if its true?

    • tamumd

      And so is yours! Sooner or later..you’ll be 6 feet under the ground and become just dirt. And that’s the end of you….no heaven. no Hades..the way you wanna invision things! How gullible could you be?!!!

      • elpobre

        alam mo ba kung anong hades sa bible, paki explain nga.

  • http://twitter.com/Highspeed_blue Highspeed Blue

    I respect all your opinions, and i am praying that another miracle will happen- that is, all of you will learn to RESPECT what other people believe in.

    • elpobre

      Its a Miracle, ng pininturahan ng isang pintor ang buong simbahan tinanong ang pari at ang sagot niya ay, its a miracle, maraming miracle ang nangyayari araw-araw, pano naman ang mga miracle na nagawa nina budha, mohama, shinto at iba pang diyos kabilang na diyan ang mga demonyo ni taning. Sila rin ay gumagawa ng mirakulo para paniniwalaan, pero ang nabanggit na mirakulo sa artikulong ito, meron ba tayong prohibang si Pedro ang may gawa nito? hindi natin alam, baka si taning rin ang maygawa upang sumamba ang tao sa kapwa nilalang ng diyos dahil yan talaga ang hangarin niya para mailayo ang tao sa pagsambasa sa tunay na diyos.

  • elpobre

    Dahil sa weakness ng faith ng mga Catholicong Filipino kailangan ang ganitong mga encouragement kahit hindi ito ang paniniwala o root of christian faith. Ang unang siglong mga christiano hindi sila gumawa ng sino mang santo, kahit sina Abraham, David, Moses, at ibang propeta ng diyos noon na talagang pinila ng diyos ay hindi nila ginawang santo. Ngayon lang itong Catholic Church na siyang gumawa ng Doctrine sa maraming amendadong mga paniniwala kabilang na ang krido nang Nacea na ang dating paganong Constantine ay nag suggest ng dapat maging patakaran at iisang paniniwala sa buong emperyo, na hindi naman mula sa bible o base sa bagong tipan na isinulat ng mga unang siglong kristiyano kabilang dyan ang mga apostoles, kahit ang sampong utos ng diyos kay Moses na inamendahan at nawala na ang isang utos na wag sumamba sa ibat-ibang diyos-diyosan, pakibasa ang original na sampung utos sa bible wag doon sa pinapaskil sa simbahan. Kung ikaw ay nananalangin sa isang bagay o sa isang tao, isa itong paggawa nang pananampalataya (mahirap ba..) sa english act of worship doon sa pinanalanginan mo, hindi naman kaya magagalit ang ibang diyos (kabilang na si San Lorenzo kahit na si Macoy) dyan sa dinadasalan mo? Yang principle nayan, mukhang blinded tayong mga Catholico pati mga nasa Vatican. Ano sa tingin nyo.

  • PobrengBata

    Why not disclose the name? Or there’s really no one to name?

  • antonioluna

    nakakatawa talaga ang mga panatiko sa halip na isipin nilang ang Diyos ang nagpagaling sa kanila mas nanaisin nilang isang rebulto o imahen ang gumawa nito, pag panatiko ka talaga wala ka na ka sa hulog wala la pa sa lohika, kung sino pa ang mga panatiko sila pa ang madaling linlangin sila pa ang madaling humusga, mga ipokrito panatiko, ang sabi ni angelica zambrano na namatay at nabuhay katulad ni lazarus ay nakita nya raw si pope john paul II sa impyerno noong sinamahan sya ni kristo para ipakita nga na totoo ang impyerno at langit, syempre hindi maniniwala ang mga panatiko dito dahil sampal sa pagiging panatiko nila ang mga tinuran ni angelica zambrano, kung ang santo papa nyo ay napunta sa impyerno ano pa kaya ang mangyayari sa mga panatiko.

  • alice_in_chains

    respect.

  • alfred sanchez

    ariba anti catholic, tuwang tuwa na naman

    • alice_in_chains

      nakow nag-comment ka, yari ka! hehe

  • Fulpol

    they are poisoning the minds of Filipinos…. 400 years and counting…..

    hahahahahahahhaha
    hahahahahahahahah
    hahahahahahahahhaah

  • Erik Abergos

    ang ibang pilipino, walang respeto sa paniniwala ng iba. kala mo, sila na lang magaling. pano kaya mapasaya ang mga taong ito. kasi, parang pag may nagfafail na tao o grupo, saka sila natutuwa, pag nagsuceed naman, galit sila. ganun na lang kaya tayo lagi, mapride na mayayabang. kung wala naman kayo maganda icocomment, be silent na lang.

  • INQ_reader

    Let’s hear it from Jose Rizal in his work “Indolence of the Filipinos”:

    “..Whether they believe in miracles to palliate their laziness or they are lazy because they believe in miracles, we cannot say; but the fact is the Filipinos were much less lazy before the word miracle was introduced into their language…”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

      HANGAL! SIGE NA NGA KAYO NA…KAYO NA ANG MAGALING NA HANGAL..HAHAHA…nakakatawa ka..recycled issue…pa quote quote ka pa ng mga gawa ni RIzal…mali naman…Nagkamali na nga si Rizal sa mga isinulat ( sariling pananaw at pagtingin niya sa Inang SImbahan) ito ka na naman i quote quote nyo pa ang mga gawa niya…Hayyy, Manalangin ka na nawa’y pagkalooban kayo ng biyaya sa pang unawa sa lahat ng mga nababasa nyo para maunawaan nyo ang mga bagay bagay..mahilig ka kasi sa tsismis (sabi sabi)…matoto kayong magvalidate kung ang mga nabasa nyo ay katanggap tanggap sa lipunan ng academia.. free yourself from any preoccupied hatred against the Catholic Church..basahin nyo maigi ang Rizal’s Retraction…at hwag muna unahin ang pagbabasa ng mga komento at controversy DAW na nakabalot sa Rizal’s Retraction…UNAHIN nyo muna ang nabanggit ko hah…

      • antonioluna

        alam mo karamihan ng mga nakakaunawa mga open minded, wala pa akong nakasalamuhang panatikong marunong umintindi, mga katulad mo, ikaw nga itong napakadaling maniwala eh basta ang usapin ay himala at mga santo santo eh, sarado ang isip mo at iyan ang totoo dahil ang pinaniniwalaan mo lang ay yaong mga bagay na papabor sa iyong bilang panatiko, ganyan ang training mo eh di ba, basta himala maniwala kaagad , so ano ang nangyari doon sa agoo hindi ba ang mga katulad mo ang mga naguyo noong bading na nagbihis birhen pa nagkaroon talaga ng himala dahil ang daming tao ang naloko pahimakas na marami talaga ang naliligawa at maililigaw dahil isang kasinungalingan ang mga katulad nyo.

      • taga_ilog

        naniniwala ka sa rizal’s retraction na inilabas ng simbahang noon? 

      • antonioluna

        maniniwala akong kung si rizal mismo naglabas, ang noli nga at el fili pinakapon ng husto ng simbahan dahil inilabas ni rizal ang mga karumal dumal nilang gawain.

      • INQ_reader

        Kung nag-retract si Rizal, eh di hindi pala siya karapat-dapat maging Pambansang Bayani. Walang matibay na ebidensya ng retraction, kahit iyong sinasabing “original” eh marami ring kaduda-duda. Anim ang punto na kaduda-duda sa sinasabing “original.”

        At, marami ring kalaban ng simbahan na di umano’y nag-retract. Pero sa lahat nang iyon, walang matibay na ebidensya kundi isa o dalawang testigo na mula mismo sa simbahan. Yun “testigo” ni Rizal ay si Fr. Balaguer.

      • elpobre

        At malay ni Rizal sa sinasabing retraction, basta unang sampa palang ng kanyang novela, banat kaagad sa simbahan. At kung hindi ako nagkakamali, ang mga sumasamba ngayon kay Rizal (Rizalian), ay hindi saint si Rizal sa kanila, siya’y kanilang diyos. Kita mong maraming diyos dito, kaya ang miracle ni Rizal sa kanila ay maihahambing mo rin dito sa miracle ni Blessed saint Pedro, na galing din naman kung totoosin sa diyos ng mga katoliko, pantay-pantay.

      • INQ_reader

        Hindi natin mai-uugnay ang Rizalista kay Rizal mismo kasi yumao na si Rizal noong nabuo ang kaniyang relihiyon. Noong nabubuhay si Rizal, ni minsan hindi inamin niya na diyos siya. At, siya mismo ang nagtatag ng Masonry sa Pinas, isang samahan na di naniniwala sa relihiyon.

      • elpobre

        Tama, malay ba ni Rizal na maging diyos sya, e hindi nga naniniwala sa diyos ang tao. At hindi rin alam ni Pedro C na maging saint siya ng simbahan, hindi niya rin inamin na santo siya. Ang pag-aadapt ng paniniwala ay pinagtitibay ng isang samahan, ngayon kung si Pepe ay pinagtibay ng isang samahan (Rizalista) bilang diyos nila, therefore si Pepe ay isa naring diyos. Kung si Saint Pedro C ay isang santo na pinagtibay nang simbahang katoliko ay isa na siyang santo. Ngayon ang masaklap na katanungan, itong mga pag-aadapt ba na ito ng paniniwala ay talagang gusto ng diyos? Isipin mo ngayon na ikaw ang diyos at kung sino-sinong mga nilalang mo ang pinupupuri at inaalayan ng pagsamba, basahin ang sampung utos sa bibliya, ang isa dyan ay wag kang magkaroon ng ibang diyos maliban sa akin dahil ako ang inyong diyos ay mapanibughuin. 

      • Pedromarco123

        Para ka na ring diyos nyan sa sinabi mo. Akalain mo bang alam na alam mo kung ano ang nasa isip at damdamin ng taong naniniwala sa mga santo bilang ehemplo at modelo na ginamit ng diyos upang mapatuwid ang landas ng mga taong naliligaw ang paniniwala at  mga ginagawa. Ang tanong ko ngayon, sigurado ka bang ang mga santong yan ang ginawang diyos ng mga taong naniniwala sa kanya? Eh bakit sa tuwing nagdadasal sila (sigurado kasama na dyan yung magtawag sa intercession ng mga santo)… eh bakit sinasabi pa rin nila na si Jesus ang anak ng Diyos at tumatawag pa rin sa Amang makapangyarihan. Ang paniniwala sa mga santos bilang gabay at ehemplo ng isang pagiging totoong Kristyano ay hindi pagkakaroon ng “kung sino-sinong mga nilalang na pinupuri at inaalayan lng”. Sana naiintindihan mo yan. And para tuldukan etong banghayan na to,… sa debate hinggil sa religihon at paniniwala, walang  sino man ang may karapatan na magsabi na tama siya at mali ang iba dahil ang paniniwala ay hindi basta2x naipapaliwanag lang kundi nadarama at sinasadiwa. Si Shamcey Supsup nga hindi nanalo sa Ms. U dahil ang tanong s kanya eh tungkol sa relihiyon at paniniwala… Kaya yung ibang nagpopost dito, eh para sa akin ok lang yung nagpopost din kayo ng mga saloobin nyo. Nirerespeto ko yan at sa katunayan yung iba eh pumupukaw pa sa realidad ng buhay. Pero sana naman maiintindihan nyo rin na sa debate hingil sa topic na to eh walang tama at mali dahil mahirap talaga ipaliwanag at ipabatid sa iba kung ano ang sa tingin mo ay tama o mali.

      • elpobre

        And you said ang diyos ang gumawa ng ehemplo o modelo at hindi natin alam ang tama at mali. Ang mali, hindi ang mga yan tuwirang pinili ng diyos gaya ng mga tao sa bibliya na pinili ng diyos bilang modelo, tulad nila Abraham, David, Moses at iba pang unang siglong kristiyano, at binigyan ba nang diyos nang karapatang pumili ang sino man para piliin ang isang taong santo? Ang tama, kung ano ang mababasa mo sa bibliya yan ang tama, kung maniwala ka na ito ang salita ng diyos. Para saan pa ang salita nang diyos kung hindi niya mapapatunayan ang tama. Bilang tugon doon sa sinabi mong hula ko sa isip ng tao tungkol sa kanilang iniisip pag nakaharap sa rebulto, naku pareho din sayo, parang iniisip mong nandiyan si Jesus sa harap mo habang ikay nakaluhod. At kung sasabihing mong mali, e bakit ka pa nananalangin sa harap ng rebulto, pwede naman tayong mag pray kahit nakaupo at isiping nasa langit ang panginoon, gaya ng ginagawa ni Jesus, ni Daniel na nanalangin siya sa kaniyang kwarto ng patago, dahil kung hindi siya manalangin sa harap ng rebultong ginawa ng mga persiano koreksyon Babilonyo, papatayin siya. Pero dahil may katapatan siya sa diyos hindi niya ginawa ang mga yaon kasama niya pa ang tatlong kabataan Israelita. Ano sa tingin, mali ba si Daniel, yan ang ebidensya at salaysay, kailangan mong backupan ng estorya sa bible para tama.

  • sonnygc

    God heals, no questions or doubts about that, who He heals and when, or why we are at a loss. Many godly men and women ave died of diseases (Cancer, Heart, etc). But there is another power that also heals, Satan. He hates God and wants to take the glory from God and give it to whomever just as long as it does not reflect on God’s honor. We must be careful whom we accredit the healing to. It would be safer to say “I don’t know.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

      HANGAL KA RIN! D ba mas nagagalit ang demonyo sa ganitong pangyayari kasi ang parangal ay sa DIOS at hindi kay Satan…At kahit si demonyo ay di gagawa ng himala (gaya ng nabanggit nyo kahit ang demonyo ay marunong din gumawa ng himala) kung ang dulot nito’y pagpupuri at pagpupugay sa DIOS AMA sa pamamagitan ng KANYANG mga banal…HANGAL KA KULTO! gamitin nyo common sense nyo..kanino ba ang parangal sa himalang ito di ba ang babaeng gumaling ay nagiging madasalin at palaging nagpapasalamat through the intercession of Blessed Pedro Calungsog? 

      • antonioluna

        haha, tingnan mo nga ang isinulat mo ang Diyos ba ang binigyan mo ng credit dyan o yong sinasabi mong santo, santupak ka pala eh, diyos mo bato diyos mo imahin, aminin mo na, baka nga kapag pinagalaw ni satanas ang isang rebulto at sinabing ito ang diyos nyo eh magkandarapa ka pa sa pagsamba, para sa iyong kaalaman mga panatiko ang bumubuo ng isang kulto.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

        HAHAHA..HANGAL…IYAN ANG MGA KULTO..NAGBABASA NG MALING PANG UNAWA SA BIBLIYANG GAWA NG INANG SIMBAHAN AT BINABOY NG MGA KULTONG TULAD NYO…HAHAHA

  • pangitbudhiko

    GOD IS GREAT. GOD IS GREAT. GOD IS GREAT, GREAT GREAT IS GOD. HE GAVE ME A NEW LEASH ON LIFE……….. GOD IS GREAT

  • Barak_O

    merry christmas to all born against. sorry, it’s not your time in the philippines.

  • SomeAnonymousGuy

    fascinating how a comment of mine must be approved before being published… yet drivel seems to be unabashed flowing in this comment thread…

    • SomeAnonymousGuy

      unabashed = unabashedly.

      Perhaps it is the length of the post?

    • antonioluna

      may post din akong kailangan ng approval kasi may salitang h3ll, naaprove lang noong iniba ko spell

      • SomeAnonymousGuy

        Oh well, I’ll wait and see.

  • jayemdee_412

    For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible. – Author, unknown.

  • Fulpol

    Imbento lang kasi ang mga Santo at Santa….. mahilig kasi ang mga pre-hispanic pinoys ng anito anito….

    yung mga anito, ginawang santo…

    hahhahahahah
    hahahahahahah
    hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Fulpol

    ginagamit ng Amerika ang military para mapanatili nito ang imperyo niya…

    ginagamit ng Catholic ang mga Santo at Santa para mapanatili nito ang kanyang impluwensiya…

    hahahahahahaha
    hahahahhahahahaha

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CL4FRNPBCY3KAFHCCB2BZTW63U mjerk

    SINONG LAZARUS NA TINUTUKOY NYO? HAHAHA…LAZARUZ NA KAIBIGAN NI JESUS NA NAMATAY AT BINUHAY NI JESUS (John 11:1-44)? O IBANG LAZARuz NA ININBENTO NYO PARA MAKAGAWA NG  STORYA AT MAKAPAGLINLANG NG MGA INOSENTENG KALULUWA? HAHAHA..DIOS Q PANGINOON KO..MAHABAG KAYO SA MGA ANAK NYONG TULAD Na may pen name na antonio luna na nahilis ng landas..NAWA’Y ang mga banal na kalugud lugod sa iyo ay maipagpatuloy pa rin at pagdarasal sa kanya para patawarin nyo PANGINOON KO AT DIOS KO…Na sana ipagpatuloy ng Inang Simbahan ang pagdarasal sa mga kapatid naming nalilihis ng landas…

    • antonioluna

      aba eh kung ibang lazarus ang iniisip mo baka nasa ibang topic ka, kitang kita naman sa mga pananalita mo na baligtad ang isip mo, gusto mo bang sabihin na kaya ipinadala si kristo sa lupa ay dahil sa mga banal, mag isip ka nga at ano naman ang masasabing panlilinlang doon sa mga sinabi ni angelica zambrano, hindi ba at nakabase din naman sa kautusan ng diyos ang mga sinabi nya katulad ng hindi pagsamba kay maria, dahil walang kinalaman si maria sa mga nangyayari dito lupa, panlilinlang ba iyan?
      at pwede ba bukambibig mo ang diyos ko, ang diyos mo naman ay bato at mga rebulto.

  • http://twitter.com/RhynceDerek Rhynce

    maybe it’s just me…

    I think the timing for canonization is due to some political-religious conflict in the Philippines particularly with the RH Bill. The Vatican just wants to somehow fortify the credibility and uplift the image of the priests in the PHL..

    • SomeAnonymousGuy

      Uh huh, I’m catholic but I know the Church is not above using good “timing” to it’s advantage.  Now if only the local bishops can also use good “PR”.  I understand the doctrine but sometimes local bishops just spout out nonsense that further muddles the issue.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5TQQYPGVHXCQLU4BRQR4FVBNA ramone

      I don’t understand your point: 1. Calungsod is just one of the few to be canonized. The others come from different countries. So, to make a connection between political-religious conflicts in the Philippines and the canonization of Calungsod is to stress logic. 2. Calungsod was a lay person, and so how can his canonization fortify the image of priests?

  • iagsikat

    Calungsod is just a human being, he has no power to perform miracle only God can do that. 

    • SomeAnonymousGuy

      just to clarify, the point of miracles being “attributed” to saints is not the belief that the saint possesses miraculous power at all.  It is the intercession of the saint that is at stake here.  Of course, that’s a whole different can of worms…

  • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

    i believe in miracles, and no human, dead or alive, can make miracles. If you believe this is a miracle, i’m more than a million % sure you don’t understand the Bible – God’s Word

    • frankpar

      Maybe true. But is the bible really God’s word?The old testament was banned and destroyed by vatican. The new testament was written long after Jesus death and many times changed, updated, altered. Not to mention that the jewish bible has no mentioning of the Jesus story, even they  recorded all back to thousnds of years BC at the places where it should have happened. A common problem of all religions, there are no proven facts but you just have to believe the doctrines.

    • elpobre

      not all miracles are divine, be selective, and if you understand the bible, no one can make a divine miracle except God, prophets, Jesus and the apostles. Do you believe in Pedro’s miracle?

  • tanzangluma

    Second
    Council of Nicaea 787

    In 780, Constantine VI ascended the
    throne in Constantinople, but being a minor, was managed by his mother Empress
    Irene. She decided that an ecumenical council needed to be held to address the
    issue of iconoclasm and directed this request to Pope Hadrian I (772–795) in
    Rome. He announced his agreement and called the convention on 1 August 786 in
    the presence of the Emperor and Empress. The initial proceedings were
    interrupted by the violent entry of iconoclast soldiers faithful to the memory
    of the prior Emperor Constantine V. This caused the council to be adjourned
    until a reliable army could be assembled to protect any proceedings. The
    council was reassembled at Nicaea 24 September 787. During those proceedings
    the following was adopted:

    “… we declare that we defend free from any innovations all the written and
    unwritten ecclesiastical traditions that have been entrusted to us. One of
    these is the production of representational art; this is quite in harmony with
    the history of the spread of the gospel, as it provides confirmation that the
    becoming man of the Word of God was real and not just imaginary, and as it
    brings us a similar benefit. For, things that mutually illustrate one another
    undoubtedly possess one another’s message. … we decree with full precision
    and care that, like the figure of the honoured and life-giving cross, the
    revered and holy images, whether painted or made of mosaic or of other suitable
    material, are to be exposed in the holy churches of God, on sacred instruments
    and vestments, on walls and panels, in houses and by public ways; these are the
    images of our Lord, God and saviour, Jesus Christ, and of our Lady without
    blemish, the holy God-bearer, and of the revered angels and of any of the
    saintly holy men. The more frequently they are seen in representational art,
    the more are those who see them drawn to remember and long for those who serve
    as models, and to pay these images the tribute of salutation and respectful
    veneration. Certainly this is not the full adoration in accordance with our
    faith, which is properly paid only to the divine nature, but it resembles that
    given to the figure of the honoured and life-giving cross, and also to the holy
    books of the gospels and to other sacred cult objects.”
     
    MAN MADE

  • taga_ilog

    Okay dito, palitan ng kuro-kuro between catholics and born-agains. If religion is real, why so many interpretations? Kristiyanismo nga di nagkakaisa. How could GOD creat something so divisive and violent, if all of the things attributed to him was true? madalas ko noong madinig sa mga debate tungkolsa relihiyon, na pare-pareho lang daw ang sinasamba. 

  • arao_liwanag

    All spiritual concept are concocted by swindlers, scammers, crooks, grafters and corruptor and criminals hiding behind their so called God which the Filipino mind was and is being programmed continuously by the colonialist and imperialist and their agents and lackeys from then up to the present. So most Filipino so called faithful are actually FAKEFULL.

  • browndarwinian

    Christian “miracles”

    that your leprosy can be cured…
    that the blind can see…
    that a virgin can conceive…
    that a dead body can walk again…

    NONSENSE….IT’S IMMORAL TO TELL LIES TO CHILDREN AND UNEDUCATED PEOPLE AND TELL THEM THAT IF THEY BELIEVE THESE NONSENSE, THEY CAN BE “SAVED”

    to paraphrase Albert Einstein, the Only miraculous thing in this universe is that THERE ARE NO MIRACLES…

  • OFW_Dubai

    watch Ancient Aliens Series and test your Faith…..

  • akotosac

    Ang layo sa gawain (at sobrang salita) ng mga bishop ngayon. sana pamarisan natin si Calungsod. 

  • dani77777

    What a hoax! He saved 1 person but what happened to the hundreds that perished during Sendong?

  • White24

    This what makes me proud a CATHOLIC…. thanks be to God…

    • frankpar

      Unfortonately, you are prou of something which never can be proven. And that is one reason why the church is not allowing to question what it says is true, Johannes Kepler was treated and sentence still in 16th century, for saying that the earth is not the center of universe but moves around the sun. His conviction was never reversed or apologized by the vatican, against all the knowledge that he was right.

  • White24

    Thanks God for BEATO PEDRO CALUNGSOD

    • Touch_Me_Nuts

      After Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, God in His infinite wisdom did not immediately replace the fallen disciple. When Jesus came back to see his disciples after Resurrection, and until His Ascension, the idea of completing the Twelve did not obviously appear to be urgent in God’s salvation plan for man. The Twelve of course were tasked to bring the gospel in Israel. Later however the devoted remaining eleven acting on their own good intentions, convened, prayed and elected Matthias to replace the disgraced Judas Iscariot. Matthias the apostle in short was anointed by men. Later on we come to learn that Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus only to anoint “a zealot and sinner” to be the apostle to the Gentiles. Saul who later was named Paul was amazingly empowered by the Spirit of God, but Matthias remained an ordinary worker in the Kingdom who unlike the eleven and Paul were destined to change the world.
      Let’s face it: Although admittedly a devout in his time, now Blessed Pedro Calungsod is canonized, and into sainthood by a man-  Pope Benedict XVI – because of claim of healing to a comatose woman as a result of prayer and alleged intercession of Blessed Pedro. Since the miraculous healing of the dying patient was apparently true, the miracle could have only come from God because of the intercessory prayer of a righteous person (the doctor), and not from the spirit and from the perceived power of Blessed Calungsod. For the promise of Scripture is: “The prayer of a righteous person avails much.”
      Now, if the motive of the Roman Church in canonizing Blessed Pedro is to rally Catholics in PH (being the only and predominantly Catholic nation in Asia) as it is apparently political as ecclesiastical, God is better served if the salvation plan of God for Filipinos and mankind is revealed without human agenda. For if that were the case, Blessed Pedro having been canonized for sainthood by a man could not (moreso in death) intercede for God. Blessed Pedro will be consigned to the long list of ancient and forgotten saints to whose prayers remain unheard by God. As loving as our God has been, God is also a God of wrath for those who incessantly disobey.

      • elpobre

        Are you sure that the miracle is really come from God? (the true almighty god?)

      • Touch_Me_Nuts

        No amount of answer can satisfy your question. That’s why a miracle is a miracle. Now, if a claimed miracle is really a miracle, that’s another story altogether. A miracle obviously is beyond human understanding and comprehension at least at the time the alleged miracle happened. Since only God can make miracles, what man cannot seem to understand and comprehend must be a miracle and therefore must come from God. Again, please go back to my first statement. Only you and your God can reveal the answer to your “miraculous” question, elpobre!

      • elpobre

        Ang sabi ko, hindi lahat ng miracles are divine, dahil merong fake miracle, tayo ay pinaghahanda ng bibliya sa mga bagay nayan, meron dito kaninang nag sabi na merong bulaang propeta na lilitaw, tama yan kasi basi sa bibliya yan. Kayat hindi pwede maniwala lang tayo ng basta-basta. Hindi ka pa nakapanood ng Evangelist Preaching sa TV na talangang nahihimatay ang tao pag nahawakan ng kanilang propeta kuno, masasabi mo bang miracle pag napatayo niya ang isang lumpo? Yan ang ibig kung sabihin, hindi naman masama ang questionin ang authentication nang isang pinaniniwalaang miracle dahil kahit si taning kaya rin tayong fakein. Gets mo?

      • antonioluna

         tama ka bro, baka nakakalimutan na nila si Judiel Nieva ng AGOO Marian Apparation kuno na nahuli ni noli de castro sa kanyang pagkukunwari aba eh nagdamit virgin pa ang hitad kumamal ng pera at nagkaroon ng mga bus na naging dahilan ng pag aaway away ng kanyang pamilya, napakadaling linlangin ng mga tao dito.

      • antonioluna

        as far as i am concern there is no miracle because it is clear it was not yet her time to go, if that incident will be treated as miracle then that is a positive miracle then how about if a man suddenly died because his time has expired then that is also a miracle(himala dahil ang lakas lakas nya tapos biglang namatay ng hindi malaman ang dahilan), a negative miracle.

      • White24

        “Now, if the motive of the Roman Church in canonizing Blessed Pedro is to rally Catholics in PH (being the only and predominantly Catholic nation in Asia) as it is apparently political as ecclesiastical…”
        well,, but thanks God, that is not the motive of the Roman Church.. The Catholic Church canonized Blessed Pedro, who happened to be a Filipino, because she believed that the miracle is authentic and true.
        In his canonization, may the Name of God still be praised!!

        ________________________________
        From: Disqus
        To: white_forest24@yahoo.com
        Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:10 PM
        Subject: [inq-newsinfo] Re: Calungsod miracle bared

        Touch_Me_Nuts wrote, in response to White24:
        After Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, God in His infinite wisdom did not immediately replace the fallen disciple. When Jesus came back to see his disciples after Resurrection, and until His Ascension, the idea of completing the Twelve did not obviously appear to be urgent in God’s salvation plan for man. The Twelve of course were tasked to bring the gospel in Israel. Later however the devoted remaining eleven acting on their own good intentions, convened, prayed and elected Matthias to replace the disgraced Judas Iscariot. Matthias the apostle in short was anointed by men. Later on we come to learn that Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus only to anoint “a zealot and sinner” to be the apostle to the Gentiles. Saul who later was named Paul was amazingly empowered by the Spirit of God, but Matthias remained an ordinary worker in the Kingdom who unlike the eleven and Paul were destined to change the world. Let’s face it: Although admittedly a devout in his time, now Blessed Pedro Calungsod is canonized, and into sainthood by a man-  Pope Benedict XVI – because of claim of healing to a comatose woman as a result of prayer and alleged intercession of Blessed Pedro. Since the miraculous healing of the dying patient was apparently true, the miracle could have only come from God because of the intercessory prayer of a righteous person (the doctor), and not from the spirit and from the perceived power of Blessed Calungsod. For the promise of Scripture is: “The prayer of a righteous person avails much.” Now, if the motive of the Roman Church in canonizing Blessed Pedro is to rally Catholics in PH (being the only and predominantly Catholic nation in Asia) as it is apparently political as ecclesiastical, God is better served if the salvation plan of God for Filipinos and mankind is revealed without human agenda. For if that were the case, Blessed Pedro having been canonized for sainthood by a man could not (moreso in death) intercede for God. Blessed Pedro will be consigned to the long list of ancient and forgotten saints to whose prayers remain unheard by God. As loving as our God has been, God is also a God of wrath for those incessantly disobey. Link to comment

      • Touch_Me_Nuts

        Your reply: “well,, but thanks God, that is not the motive of the Roman Church.. The Catholic Church canonized Blessed Pedro, who happened to be a Filipino, because she believed that the miracle is authentic and true.”

        As to motive, no one can be so sure of the RC stand, paisano! That’s why I prefaced my statement with the conditional “IF”. In your case, you appear to speak for the Vatican, which I’m sure you’re not and much less not have earned it. I would like to think that you are correct, but unfortunately I find it hard to stay on your side. Thanks.

  • Jason Baguia

    We are all part of the Body of Christ (Saint Paul) and as members of one another in that Body of Christ, we pray for one another, we are intercessors for one another. When any of us goes to the next life, his God is still Christ, who is Lord of the living and the dead (Saint Paul), and in any case, for the Christian who dies, life is changed, not ended. So I as a Christian can ask a fellow Christian who has passed on to pray for me, not least because that Christian remains a part of the Body of Christ, and as a Christian, worships a God (the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Pedro Calungsod); the God whose believers, in the eyes of heaven, do not die. For those who believe in Jesus, who is the Resurrection and Life, may die but on the day they die, will be with him in Paradise.

  • frankpar

    Millions of people pray to God and all Saints for health, a better life and safety. But look what happens, sick, poor and victimized are they all, no matter how much they pray in their need. You can pray up to death but you will not survive without water and food, but well without praying and good eating and drinking. The “wonder” has the big question if that patient would not wake up
    without the prayer, too. That is the problem of all “wonders” that you can not compare it with what would have happened else.

  • browndarwinian

    Christian “miracles”:
    that your leprosy can be cured…
    that the blind can see…
    that a virgin can conceive…
    that a dead body can walk again…

    NONSENSE….IT’S IMMORAL TO TELL LIES TO CHILDREN AND UNEDUCATED PEOPLE AND TELL THEM THAT IF THEY BELIEVE THESE NONSENSE, THEY CAN BE “SAVED”

    to paraphrase Albert Einstein, the Only miraculous thing in this universe is that THERE ARE NO MIRACLES…

    • http://twitter.com/ernestonoel1 hopelovefaith

      hope you wake up one day with your heart longing for the Lord before it’s too late.

  • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

    The New Testament applies the term “saint” to all Christian believers.1 Nothing in Scripture implies there might be a special category of “Saints” (capital S) who have special powers of intercession and are actually worthy of worship on the basis of their virtue and sanctity. When Cornelius the centurion fell at the feet of Peter to worship him, Peter said:

    “Stand up; I myself am also a man (Acts 10:26 nkjv).”

    On another occasion, Paul and Barnabas miraculously healed a crippled man at Lystra. When the amazed citizens prepared to worship them as gods, Paul and Barnabus tore their clothing
    to show their dismay, and declared:

    “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach
    to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the
    earth, the sea, and all things that are in them (Acts 14:15 nkjv)…”

    To elevate a select group of “Saints” to the position of mediators worthy of worship (however the term worship is qualified),4 is to overlook the scriptural declaration that “there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5 nkjv). It also ignores the depravity that infects every believer in Christ. No fallen son or daughter of Eve is comparable to the sinless Son of God. To assume that a human being has achieved such spiritual status that they deserve worship of any type glorifies the creature rather than the Creator.Setting Christians on a pedestal by referring to them as a Saint also seems to violate the principle of the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 5:10). Every Christian believer can approach God directly through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1-5; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; Hebrews 4:14-16). Setting a specific category of “Saints” on a higher level than other believers also ignores Paul’s teaching that no one member of the body of Christ is more valuable than the rest (1 Corinthians 12:12-31).

    (From:Why don’t Protestant Christians worship Mary and the saints? by Dan Vander Lugt)

    ENOUGH OF THE DECEPTION!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5CJCI5UE2KPDAQUDIY7RVSOPOU Tiboy

    Doctors studied longer enough to believe such thing? The country needs such miracle, not only a single unknown personality. Genuine heal are badly needed those suffered from floods and i think they prayed more than the doctor had pray.

  • MANONG_ERNIE

    God, through the intercession of Blessed Calungsod, heal our land. Amen.

    • elpobre

      And god through the intercession of blessed Ruiz, failed the land, Amen.

      Joke—-as in dyoke-dyoke.

  • anali_zarce

    Jesus is the only way, miracles and healing comes from him alone.

  • anali_zarce

    We pray straight to Jesus not to Calungsud

  • virgoyap

    Faith is a free gift. For those who have no gift of faith no miracle can make them believe that God exist. But for those who have the gift of faith, everything, even the demon’s whisper, will be an opportunity that will lead them to Him.

  • elpobre

    Ang sinabi ko na Noli me tangere sa una palang na post, hindi lahat ng miracle ay divine o galing sa totoong diyos. Merong mga miracles at napakarami nito na gawa ng demonyo upang ilihis ang tao sa pag samba sa diyos. Tingnan mo lang halimbawa ang Pinoy Santos, imbis na dirikta tayong manalangin sa diyos kagaya ng ginawa ni Jesus at mga tao sa ng diyos sa Bibliya tayo ngayon ay humaharap sa rebulto ni San Lorenzo para manalangin sa diyos, hindi bat sinabi ni Jesus na kung manalangin tayo ay Ama namin nariyan ka sa langit, unang salita palang doon na papunta, ang katapusan ay sa mamamagitan ni Jesus amen, hindi nya sinabing holy mary, blessed saint pedro, saint paul etc….

  • fer1973

    hindi na ngayun gift ang pagpapagaling dahil yun gift na pagpapagaling eh binigay ni kristo mismo sa mga apostol. sinasabi rin naman sa biblia na sa mga huling araw maraming magsisilitaw na mga bulaang propeta at kristo at ililigaw ang marami. si satanas man ay nagpapakunwaring anghel ng kaliwanagan.. kaya mga kababayan kung meron mang nagpapagaling sa sakit wag tayong maniwalang ito eh galing sa dios..sinasabi rin naman sa bibliya na ang dapat gumaling sa atin eh ang pananampalataya na me iisang dios na ama at anak na dapat nating paniwalaan na nakasulat sa bibliya. ang romano katoliko eh wala sa bibliya at hindi rin naman dapat tayong sumamba sa mga dios diossan. kahit ang mga anghel o si maria at kahit sinong apostol ay hindi dapat sinasamba.

  • Pedromarco123

    For those who think that atheism is becoming a religion and to those who really don’t get the point of this article, eto lang masasabi ko. Saints, in Catholic belief are not the ones we directly asked for miracles. We just asked for their INTERCESSION that through them, Jesus will answer our prayers because it was these saints who have lived a life close to holiness or Godliness which is what exactly the belief and faith in them wants  to instill in the believer. We still asked for God’s grace directly from him. It’s just that these saints will guide us or will enlighten us. Bottomline here is that it all boils down to FAITH. Ako, I’m not saying I’m really a devout Catholic. It’s just that for several times in my life, this Catholic faith of mine have somehow given me things which I didn’t imagine I could. I know faith is unfathomable, but what is could we have if everything else will be gone. Just imagine, you have nothing to hold on to. For me, my faith is my last resort, the faith that I have in God. At least with this, I am proud to say na hindi pa nawala lahat sa akin. Kay challenge ko sa inyo na wala ng pananalig, all the hardships and trials are just passing. Nawala na nga kayo ng bahay, ari-arian, kamag-anak and iba pa, eh yung pananalig nyo ba eh mawawala pa. I bet, when you lose your faith, you lose hope also and eventually all else. So, make faith the last bulwark of your being and your existence.

    • elpobre

      imagine that you believe for the dead person to do what you ask for, please read Ecclesiastes 9:5, we don’t really know about the canonization of deceased person to be a saint is acceptable to god (almighty god).

      • Pedromarco123

        Seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing.

    • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

      you have to read 1Timothy 2:5 – there is only one mediator between God and man – Jesus Christ. 

      • mark sahaoman

        saints are not mediator but inspiration to us.. we must live the life like them (saints) if we want to become precious in the eyes of our Lord God because these saints are precious for Him.

      • Ambotguid

        If we WANT to be precious in the eyes of the Lord?  

        But we ALREADY are!  He made us.  He already sent us His own SON to die for us on the cross so that we’ll be saved.  If you are still looking for more proof of how precious we all are to Him then you’ll probably never find it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5TQQYPGVHXCQLU4BRQR4FVBNA ramone

      I really admire your faith. But still I have a question: You write, “We still asked for God’s grace directly from him.” If we can ask directly from God, why is there a need for intercessors? Then you write “these saints will guide us or enlighten us.” But here you are mixing up two concepts, even though the two are not mutually exclusive: saints as intercessors and saints as moral guides. Will not the idea of saints as intercessors be the equivalent of the patronage or padrino system in our society, (i.e.,  In order to gain access to an official, you need to have a padrino)? 

    • antonioluna

       interpretasyon mo ba yong kapag hindi naniniwala sa mga santo santo, sa mga rebulto at imahen ay wala ng Diyos at atheist na?saan mo naman nakuha iyan?

      • Pedromarco123

        baka sa yong interpretasyon yan because you have thought of it when in fact i mean different thing… I’m not patronizing any belief in saints or rebulto but I just want to criticize those who mock on others belief because they don’t have the right to… make their own beliefs or religion kung magkagayon na lang. All I know is we should not lose our faith in the Divine Almighty because when everything else fails and everything else is lost in us, at least we have our faith to hold on to.

      • antonioluna

         whatever meaning you have it’s irrelevant because action speaks louder than words.

  • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

    whatever… the fact still remains, Philippines is the ONLY catholic nation in Asia, Philippines is probably one of the or the most corrupt in Asia, Philippines is getting poorer compared to our ASEAN neighbors who are either Buddhists or Muslims. 

  • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

    Does that mean Buddhist and Muslim Saints are more powerful regardless of the fact that Filipinos pray harder than them? We even got more churches and chapels all over the country. i don’t believe in the hype of this miracle, but i sure have witnessed a lot of miracles from people who helped others rather than churches whom you have to pay to perform the miracle of uniting people in marriage, baptism of children, etc…. if Filipinos stop all these BS i think we’ll definitely see a real miracle

    • elpobre

      And tinutukoy mo ay moral, pag ang mga namumuno ay mga Politikong Katoliko ibig sabihin, mababa ang moral, walang takot sa diyos. Hindi naman sa ganon, dati ng Katoliko ang bansa at mayaman din naman tayo noon, ngunit dahil parang nahimas-masan ang mga kabataang politiko na sumasakay ang simbahan sa kala-kalarang pang gobyerno, wala rin silang takot mang-abuso dahil sa ngalan ng simbahan ang kanilang ginagawa, kita mo’t pati ang assets ng gobyerno pinapakinabangan upang i promote ang religion. Ang code of ethics ng mga guro, walang dapat magpromote ng religion sa eskwelahan, ano ang nangyayari, nagkakaroon ng natatanging mesa sa paraalan, sabit ng kung ano-anong religion simbols, at yan ay tinuturing ng mga bata na sandalan ng pagwaldas ng pera ng bayan dahil pati nga ang aming religion nakikinabang o para sa simbahan. At bakit nga pala napakababa ng moral ng mga kabataang katoliko, dahil sa nawala na ang dating mga pangangaral na lubhang nakakakabot sa puso ng tao, puro nalang politika, hindi na naitago ang mga maling gawain ng ibang leader ng simbahan na nakaka dismaya sa mga nanampalataya.

  • Pablobnb

    As I’ve mentioned in the other news feature, people should not pray to Pedro Calungsod but pray directly to God the Father of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
     
    If indeed Mr. Calungsod had been a true Christian and did a thing worthy of praise, then it is enough for us to give praise to God for such a brother in the faith. This is the correct reaction from a true believer in the Lord, after all every true believer of the Lord Jesus Christ is a saint and a priest. By praying to him to intercede in our behalf is to make him an antichrist for there is only one true intercessor and mediator between God and man – the Lord Jesus Christ!
     
    If Mr. Calungsod was indeed a true a Christian the he is now dead just like all the apostles and other believers who were before us, and they just as we the living believers in the Lord Jesus Christ also waits for our Lord’s return to transform us from this physical body into a glorious body the same that of the angels where we will have a life that will never end together with the Lord.
     
    Be informed by reading and studying reverently the words of God – the Bible so that we will not fall into error and will know what it is that God wants us to do.

    • mark sahaoman

      actually hindi po mediator kundi motivation/inspiration.. saints do help us but only God knows if we have that faith in Him before granting their prayers to us. saints/healing priest or whoever prays for us God knows if we have faith and worthy of His healings and blessings)

    • elpobre

      Iba-iba nga naman ang pangmalas ng tao, ang lolo kong dibotong catholico, gas-gas na ang tuhod paruot-parito sa altar, mantakin mong ilang metro ang layo mula sa entrance, at yan ay linggo-linggo. Ngunit isa lang ang napansin ko, tuwing anihan, tinitipon niya kaming lahat upang magsalo-salo at syempre napakaraming pagkain na hindi manlang namin natitikman sa ilang buwan bago ang anihan, merong lugar na pinipili ang lolo ko na alayan nang napakaraming masasarap na pagkain, tinanong ko ang tatay ko kung bakit merong mga pagkain doon sa lugar na yan at hindi manlang kinakain, ang sabi, iyan ay para sa mga espiritu na gumagabay sa ating pamilya at nagpapala ng ani ng lolo mo, hindi sinabi kung sinong espiritu. Hindi ko man maintindihan sa umpisa ngunit alam kung meron pa palang sinasamba ang aking lolo maliban sa aming diyos. Hindi seryoso ang pananampalataya sa iisang diyos dahil hindi naintindihan nang marami ang totoong paniniwala sa diyos, at kahit sino sa atin dito walang nakakaabot sa pamantayang yan, kung itong mga santo ay nakakaabot, aba ipaglalaban ko rin ang aking lolo dahil tinuturing sya doon sa aming barrio nang mga tao na “tao ng mga tao” ibig sabihin walang sinuman ang nakakaparis nya sa kabaitan, at pananampalataya.  

  • http://twitter.com/kenrayco Kenneth Rayco

    :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XYSU75JJODXJSSWEJFVCXJ324U Jonathan

    Si Gloria Arroyo at Cheap Justice Corona marami ding miracles na nagawa !

  • Jason Baguia

    I speak as a Catholic. In Scripture, a man was resurrected after his corpse fell and hit the bones of the prophet Elisha. People lay close to the path of Saint Peter for his shadow was a means to their healing when it covered them. Believers touched the apron of Saint Paul and were healed. Elisha used the cloak of Elijah to part the waters. Jesus said the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of the living, long after they were no longer on earth. To ask for a believer who is in the afterlife to pray for you is therefore not speaking to the dead, unlike King Saul’s consultation of the witch who conjured Samuel, since speaking to a blessed or a saint is speaking to someone who is in Christ and is therefore always alive, without resorting to conjurers or witchcraft. Those who say that we cannot communicate with fellow believers who are already in the afterlife are effectively going against Scripture which says that love is stronger than death, and against the example of our Lord who contacted the dead like Lazarus, the daughter of Jairus and the son of the widow of Nain while they were in the afterlife.

    • Pablobnb

      Unless you qoute verses in the Bible that tells people to pray to the dead in an unequivocal manner all your words are but yours or man’s teachings and is not wholly based on the word of God – the Bible.
       
      As far as the Bible is concerned we are warned to contact those who already departed as mentioned clearly in the following verses:
       
      “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.” (Deuteronomy 18:9)  “Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)  “And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.” (Leviticus 20:6)  “So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance.” (1 Chronicles 10:13)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TRVNLKY7J3ZCRUGJCGE4NJULZM NineFour

    nasaan na yung doctor na nagdasal umano kay calungsod? ano pangalan nya? para matanong ko sya sa katotohanan. Bakit ayaw ibigay pangalan ng pasyente na diumano gumaling dahil sa pagdarasal ng doctor? Misteryo na nga yung pagiging santo ni Calungsod, naging misteryo din ang sinabing babaeng pasyente na  gumaling. Sino ba yun?

  • Pablobnb

    People should be warned not to pray people who are already dead (whether Christian or not) so that we will not fall into error:
     
    “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.” (Deuteronomy 18:9)
     
    “Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)
     
    “And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.” (Leviticus 20:6)
     
    “So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance.” (1 Chronicles 10:13)

  • napmat

    antonioluna, It was an act of grace that the Lord Jesus performed when they were hanging on the cross. Dimas was sincere in that instance when speaking to Jesus.  Grace of forgiveness is not always available to everyone anytime.  Think of it, Dimas was speaking to Jesus as live person.  When you pray do you pray in front of the live person Jesus? No, you may be facing to a blank wall or to your pastor who continue sinning. Jesus came to earth to save mankind.  People at that time were praying direct to God, but it’s not enough that is why he sent Jesus, the mediator.  Now that Jesus is not here in live person, he is in heaven, when you pray and ask for forgiveness, can you say Jesus forgive you, do you hear Jesus speaking to you? That is why the instance of Dimas was different. The bible says of praying with fear and trembling. If you don’t believe of intercession by saints, but why you let your pastor intercedes for you. If you believe you can pray and forgiven without help, you don’t even require yourself to be affiliated to any religiou sect.

    • antonioluna

      the point is the lord listen to whoever seek him wicked or not.

      you are telling me that praying directly to god is not enough then he sent jesus, god sent jesus to save us the sinner not as a mediator in praying(i don’t know where you get this idea) and because jesus in person is not around anymore i have to have somebody to intercede and that somebody is also not around and is dead a long time ago, a least  i am sure that jesus is in heaven, that somebody you want to intercede is either in heaven or h3ll that nobody can tell.

      your statement is misleading, your thoughts are rambling you believe jesus is our lord but you need the physical jesus in order to directly pray to him, did it not come to your mind that jesus could be just around the corner in spirit form that he knows and sees everything and yet he let it happen because god gave us freewill.

      • napmat

        you should read the bible with practicality.  Precisely God sent Jesus as mediator including prayer of the faithful and as redeemer.  Don’t you pray ”through Jesus or in the name of Jesus”? That is as a mediator.  If you are in religion or any concept that connects you with God, it is a matter of faith to believe that Jesus is in heaven even if there is no factual evidence.  And if you believe in the bible, Saints are in heaven with Jesus; read the revealation.  You are deceived by your religion and your pastor.  Don’t get wrong, when Jesus granted Dimas’ pray to be with him in heaven, it was the grace of Jesus that prevailed and at that instant since Dimas heard Jesus at that very moment.  Read the bible again; God listens to the oppressed and his faithful but not to the wicked because God knows their intentions are also wicked. As I mentioned earlier it is an act of grace granted to dimas who was obviously converted, but this is not available to all wicked. Don’t be mislead; it is with faith that when we pray no physical  is necessary.  Saints help pray for the faithful. Good for you that you are always praying direct to God. You don’t need your pastor to intercede you. You may get out from your religion.  You are saved; may be.

      • antonioluna

        i am a catholic, go on pray to the dead, ask forgiveness from a stone do as you please because it pleases you but not your god.

        you are twisting the bible, you are making interpretation out of context.

      • napmat

        Catholics can understand my stand. You are with the perverted catholics (cult may be). whatever we interprete of the bible, that is the truth since catholic church was the one authorized by God to compile, select the ancient manuscripts to be included in the bible and to interprete it with the aid of church traditions and to translate it to different languages.  If not of catholic, you are still a pagan worshiping anitos, sun, wind, pig and witch.

      • elpobre

        compile, interpret and not following what is written.

        Yan ang sinasabi ko, naging katoliko tayo dahil sa pangdadahas sa ating mga ninuno.
        While some other countries like our neighbors are enjoying their ancient cultures and religions.

  • Jason Baguia

    For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible. –Saint Thomas Aquinas
    Almighty God,
    by whose gift Blessed Pedro the Martyr witnessed to the Gospel, even to
    the shedding of his blood: grant, by his example and intercession, that
    we too may live for You, boldly and steadfastly, confessing Your name
    through our Lord, Jesus Christ, Your Son, who lives and reigns with You
    in the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever. Amen. –Mass Collect, Memorial of Blessed Pedro Calungsod

    • elpobre

      Thank you for this very good example by blessed Pedro C. Honestly hindi yan ang principle na pinalilitaw ng bibliya, na kung ano lang ang magandang katangian ay yon lang ang isusulat sa aklat. Ang masamang pag-uugali ng mga binibilang nating santong mga apostoles ay isinisiwalat ng bibliya, yan ang pagka honest ng salita ng diyos. Hindi porket apostoles, ang ugali ay parang santo gaya ng iniisip natin. Tingnan mo si Pedro the apostle, napakasama ng ugali nyan, ngunit mahal siya ni Jesus kahit tinawag pa siyang satanas, ang sabi nya lumagay ka sa ayos satanas, (pero si pedro ang pinagsabihan niya). Yan ang kawastoan nang salita ng diyos, hindi nagpapaimbabaw, hindi nagkukunwari, tumpak ang sinasabi, hindi lang magandang ugali ang isinulat para matoto ang tao kundi pati narin ang hindi kawastoan ng tao (imperfection). Mababaw din ang pananampalataya ni Pedro, dahil noong malaman niyang papatayin si Jesus, sinabi nya kay Jesus na hindi mangyayari sayo yan panginoon, na para bang gusto niyang ipagtanggol ang kanyang panginoon, kaya nagalit si Jesus at tinawag siyang satanas. And for sure marami pang imperfection ang nagawa ni Pedro (gaya ng itinangi niya si Jesus sa  mga tao), pero pinatatawad siya dahil mahal siya ng kaniyang panginoon, at marami tayong matutohan sa kwentong yan nang pagka matapat ng bibliya.

  • Armi_DXB

    Kelan i beatify si Ninong Manny Pacquiao? diba very obvious na marami naman syang natulungan na mahihirap na tao ndi na kelangan i justify yan.

    • alice_in_chains

      isama mo na si tito willy revillame. madami syang binigyan ng pangkabuhayan showcase.

  • Pablobnb

    If people can be swayed by this miracle then the words of the Holy Scripture will once again be proved to be true for the Bible prophesies that the coming beast (a.k.a. antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition, etc) will perform so many miracles that the whole world will worship him (Revelation 13:8).
     
    So you see people that miracles are a very deceptive thing and it only works on credulous, ignorant people (that is, ignorance of the word of God) but the true saint of the Lord Jesus Christ will live by His words.

    • johnmiel1319

      @ Pablobnb. Pag-aralan mo muna ang literary genre ng apocalyptic literature bags ka mag-quote ng scripture kasi palpak yang ganyang interpretasyon.

      • Pablobnb

        Since you have the courage to claim that my interpretation was wrong could lend us yours? Or at least the correct one. But let me tell you that many today were not able to get rid of the wrong idea that religious writers of long ago (such as clement of Alexandria, origen, Augustine of hippo and many others) have insinuated to the readers of the Bible, because of their unbelief and lack of faith in what the Holy Scripture says they tried to explain everything in the Bible by allegorizing them heavily and so arriving in a theology that strays far from the truth.

        The Bible should be understood literally if the text says it should be understood literally and symbolically if the text says that what it is saying are to be understood symbolically.

  • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

    The New Testament applies the term “saint” to all Christian believers.1 Nothing in Scripture implies there might be a special category of “Saints” (capital S) who have special powers of intercession and are actually worthy of worship on the basis of their virtue and sanctity. When Cornelius the centurion fell at the feet of Peter to worship him, Peter said:

    “Stand up; I myself am also a man (Acts 10:26 nkjv).”

    On another occasion, Paul and Barnabas miraculously healed a crippled man at Lystra. When the amazed citizens prepared to worship them as gods, Paul and Barnabus tore their clothing to show their dismay, and declared:

    “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them (Acts 14:15 nkjv)…”

    To elevate a select group of “Saints” to the position of mediators worthy of worship (however the term worship is qualified),4 is to overlook the scriptural declaration that “there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5 nkjv). It also ignores
    the depravity that infects every believer in Christ. No fallen son or daughter of Eve is comparable to the sinless Son of God. To assume that a human being has achieved such spiritual status that they deserve worship of any type glorifies the creature rather than the Creator.Setting Christians on a pedestal by referring to them as a Saint also seems to violate the principle of the priesthood of all believers
    (1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 5:10). Every Christian believer can approach God directly through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1-5; 1 Timothy 2:5-6; Hebrews 4:14-16). Setting a specific category of “Saints” on a higher level than other believers also ignores Paul’s teaching that no one member of the body of Christ is more valuable than the rest (1 Corinthians 12:12-31).

    (From:Why don’t Protestant Christians worship Mary and the saints? by Dan Vander Lugt)

    ENOUGH OF THE DECEPTION!

    • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

      Marc Lloyd: C’mon, don’t be so ignorant. Of course, every good Christian is a “saint” (bad Christians are certainly not “saints”) but the fullness of our “sainthood” is achieved only in our eternal communion with God. The litmus test of our being “saints” on earth is when we become “saints” in heaven.

      Second, nobody “worships” a Saint. This is an hallucination invented by protestants. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is crystal clear: Worship is rendered God ALONE. Saints are “venerated” for the holiness. They are looked up to as LIVING role models for the Church. We “venerate” them just as we “venerate” the living mortals who walk this earth this day and live a holy life. If you love your pastor and look up to him for he lives a holy life, don’t you actually “venerate” him? Of course, Yes. You see, if you can venerate a living mortal who is not yet in heaven, what will impede you from venerating our LIVING brothers and sisters who are now in heaven and enjoying the actual glorious presence of God?

      Third, yes, Jesus is our singular “Mediator” to God the Father. No, doubt about that. This is expressed in our prayers which we constantly end with the words: “We ask this in the name of the Jesus Christ” for he is our one and only mediator to God. However, we have to acknowledge the fact that we have LIVING brothers and sisters in heaven who can help pray for us just as our fellow living brothers and sisters on earth can help us pray to God. If the prayers of our living brothers and sisters on earth do not in anyway compete with the Mediation between God and Man by Jesus, the same is true with the Saints in heaven. The Saints do not replace Jesus, our one and only Mediator. They help us, pray for us like family and friends. Their only advantage is that they can whisper our prayers right into the ears of Jesus since they are with him all night and day singing: “Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus.”

      Indeed, all your accusations of Catholic “worship” of saints is baseless, a deception. So, let me throw back to you your words: “ENOUGH OF THE DECEPTION”

      • elpobre

        And we are seeking help from a dead man (dead saint)?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        elpobre: There is no dead Christian Saint. Saints forever live and they are with God in eternity.
         

      • elpobre

        Do you please give one example of christian saint in the bible that live forever, (except Jesus) that bible exactly say that saint peter live forever. You know church is always right, at kung ano ang sasabihin nito para sa atin, sunod naman tayo, pano kung hindi totoo dahil salungat sa bible.

      • elpobre

        ekompara mo itong statement dyan sa isinulat mo. Ang isang business woman ay gumaling sa pagka coma dahil nag alay nang dasal ang kanyang doctor kay blessed Pedro C, without knowing that the bible condeming this act like spiritism na humihingi ng tulong sa patay while the bible said that the dead can do nothing (please read Ecc. 9:5)

      • elpobre

        At tama ang sinabi mong ang diyos lang ang makapagsabing santo ka nga, at wala ng iba.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        elpobre: Yet, God gave the Church the gift of knowledge of goodness, beauty and truth. With these tools in our possession, we have the faculty to know if a person goes to heaven. Truly, it is God who decides not the Church.
         

      • elpobre

        Ang ibig sabihin hindi na kailangan pagtibayin ng simbahan na itong lolo ko ay Saint? Kinakabahan lang ako dito dahil, we have no proof about this, all churches in this world even not christian claiming that they too have thier own knowledge, goodness, beauty and truth from their gods.

        Nanghahawakan nalang ang mga tao kung ano ang claimed ng isang church dahil they belong to that group at syempre they depended what they claimed. SUSMARIAJOSEP, kung ikaw Kristiyano at hindi kasuwato ang aral ng isang christian church sa bible, naku may piligro, at kahit ikaw ay sa ibang relihiyon at kultura kailangan mong dipendihan ang iyong pananampalataya kahit na magkamatayan. At ang masaklap, ang history ng malalaking relihiyon sa mundo, sila itong gumamit ng dahas upang palaguin ang kani-kaniyang groupo.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        elpobre: The Catholic Church is different. She does not make any claim for herself which she invented. Her claims are based on what the Lord Jesus gave her. Jesus said: “I will build my Church and the power of the netherwords shall not prevail against it.” Paul added; “the church is the pillar and foundation of truth”. Only the Catholic Church possesses the fullness of salvation and truth, a claims she did not invent for herself but declared by the Lord.
         

      • elpobre

        Are you sure? what text in the holy bible that our church’s declarations is from God. Hindi kaya claimed ng church lang naman ito and not by God itself, and who knows? meron ba tayong mga alagad dyan sa Vatican na nakakausap nang diyos?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Yes, because the Catholics named Luke, Mark, Matthew, John, Paul and the rest recorded the words of the Lord and these form part of what we call now the Bible. These Catholics were able to TALK to Jesus, true man and true God. These people were succeeded by the current Pope and Bishops. Therefore, OUR ancestors in faith were able to talk to GOD face to face. Yours did not.

        BTW, Please note that the Bible DOES NOT create the Church. The Church produced and gave the Bible to the world. 

      • elpobre

        And why Catholic provide the bible and did not follow it?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        We follow the Divine Revelation handed down to us by the Apostles by “words and letters”. The Bible is just its written form. The Church preserves the “oral and written” tradition/teachings of the Apostles.

      • jin2012

        Ryan Barcelo:

        The Catholic Church (2000 years old) did not give the Bible to the world.  If you recall, Christianity started with Jesus Christ. Judaism (from the time of Abraham) was the religion during the time of Jesus (now about 4000 years old). Jesus quoted from at least 24 books of the Hebrew (OT) Testament, and the Catholic Church did not exist from the time of Moses. I refer you to who gave the “bible” to the world:

        Deuteronomy 29:29 (WEB)
        The secret things belong to Yahweh our God; but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law..

        As far as “face to face” is concerned, I refer you to
        1 John 4:12 (NASB)
        “No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.”

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        I’m sure Paul was not referring to the Roman Catholic Church which only pay lip service to Jesus, engage in idolatry and propagate many unbiblical rituals & traditions.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Marc Lloyd: Paul was “not referring to the Roman Catholic Church”? If you are right, which Church was he referring? Where is your history? Surely, this is just YOUR opinion. Note of what you said: “I’m sure”. Wow! What great authority you have, brother.
         

      • elpobre

        Please read Jesus model prayer (matthew 6:9-13)

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        It’s a pity that you are so enmeshed in your own deception and ignorance/stupidity! Here are some synonyms of “venerate” from the Merriam Webster dictionary: adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship

        I do not “venerate” any living mortal, unlike you. I suggest you study the Bible more rather than keep on kissing the feet of your idols, praying the rosary, blindly adhering to religious traditions and doing a host of many other things unbiblical. I hope that you may able to see the Truth as it is written in the Bible.

        And please cut the crap of believing that, with regard to saints, “their only advantage is that they can whisper our prayers right into the ears of Jesus since they are with him all night and day.”  GOD is EVERYWHERE and ALL-KNOWING – these, you probably did not know.

        Jesus has already said:   “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”    (John 14:6 NIV)

        Why are you so blind to ignore such an explicit Biblical statement? Read the Bible. May the Truth set you free.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Marc Lloyd: Allow me to remind you that a “synonym” is not necessarily the meaning of the word. It can be a word “nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language.” At the end of the day, the meaning of a word should be understood as it is understood by its author. This is what we call taking the meaning in right/proper context. Please do not impose on us the words “adore, deify, glorify, worship” as meanings of Catholic “veneration” because these terms are THEOLOGICALLY INCOMPATIBLE with Catholic understanding of “veneration” and the whole of Catholic Doctrine. It is, therefore, useless and irresponsible of you to argue on the basis of a SECULAR dictionary that fails to consider the theological underpinnings of the concept.

        If you deny that you actually “venerate” a living mortal like your “saintly” pastor, fine. I am actually not interested in a “word game”. But you cannot deny the fact that in our life, it is natural for us to regard a person with “reverential respect”, which is in fact “veneration”. Allow me to use the Pop(ular) term “idolize”. We cannot avoid admiring and “idolizing” a a person who possesses impressive qualities. We make them role models. Why is this so? Because God gave us a gift – the sense for beauty, goodness and truth. He gave us OT characters as role models worthy of emulation and veneration (in Catholic, not Merriam Webster’s sense). Certainly, it is NOT Catholic teaching to equate veneration to “adore, deify, glorify, worship”, which belong to God ALONE. 

        I cannot refuse believing that the Saints in heaven “can whisper our prayers right into the ears of Jesus since they are with him all night and day.” In fact, the Bible describes in the Book of Revelation that the Saints worship around the altar of the Lamb. They are there in a face to face encounter with God. They are in eternal communion with God. They talk to God. Of course, “GOD is EVERYWHERE and ALL-KNOWING”; but unlike the saints, we are not yet blessed to see him face-to-face, an experience given already to the LIVING Saints in heaven.

        Read the Bible? We have been reading the Bible for almost 2000 years. WE produced the Bible; We compiled the Bible; We own the Bible; We translated the Bible; We spread the Bible; We have been praying the Bible; We are living the Bible; We believed that the Bible is the Written Tradition of the Divine Revelation. We cannot be wrong for the Bible cannot live outside the community that gave birth to it – the Catholic Community.
         

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        Hahaha! You’re very funny. Please forward your objections to the meaning of “venerate” to the publishers of the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

        How many are you? Are you “Legion?” You suddenly shifted to “We” in your last paragraph, and clearly you are not royalty.

        You claim to have read the Bible and live by it.  How come the Roman Catholic Church rewrote and distorted the TEN COMMANDMENTS as listed in the Bible and continues to engage in idolatry? Here is the original Biblical commandment number 2:

        “You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

        Why don’t you want to listen to what Jesus has already said? Jesus has clearly stated: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6 NIV).”

        Yet you stubbornly persist in praying to Mary and the saints, carved in wood or stone.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Marc Lloyd: I have no business with Merriam-Webster dictionary. They are not the problem, the problem are the protestants like you who are fond of taking things out of context. Let me ask you: In all of your accusations against the Catholic Church, when did it occur that you tried to understand Catholic things in Catholic “sense”? Never. You make your own interpretations on anything Catholic and use these interpretations against these Catholic things. That is intellectually dishonest and unfair! 

        I tell you: show me a teaching in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) that veneration is worship and I will abandon the Catholic Church. Show me a teaching in the CCC that we should pray “TO” the lifeless statue instead to the living person it represents and you will find me outside the Catholic Church. All your accusations against the Catholic Church are BASELESS.

        The “we”? C’mon, I was referring to the “Catholic Community”. Didn’t you read that? Read again. Surely, I am not a royalty.

        There is nothing wrong in praying to the person Mary and the Saints (Prayer TO the statue is certainly wrong; it’s idolatry. But, no one Catholic is actually doing this. Well, perhaps, it happens in Protestant hallucinations.). It is just like asking my friends to pray for my safety when I travel anywhere. The most important is: we ask them to pray for us in the name of Jesus Christ for indeed: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” says the Lord.

        Do you now realize that you have been fooled by your pastors? That everything they told you about the Catholic Church is a lie? 

        Mark Lloyd, we existed for more than 2000 years now. If God is against us, we should have ceased to exist.

      • elpobre

        Yun lang, bakit pa natin gamitin ang santong rebulto, Jesus needs no idols when he pray, bakit kailangan nating salungatin ang bible, dahil hindi naman ginawa ni Jesus itong mga ginagawa natin. Christian means, jesus follower, baka naman mali uli itong interpretation ko sayo, hindi rin siya humingi ng tulong kay John the baptist na e pray siya sa God, no records of timothy after paul’s death that he venerate paul and ask for help when praying to god.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        elpobre: Paulit-ulit ka. Sabi nga ng mga bata, paranga “Market, Market”. ahehehehe. Haven’t I told you several times that the intercession of the saints is not about praying TO the statue? Ang rebulto ay hindi ang santo. Clear? The images simply represents the Saint, a Living Person. When a Catholic prays BEFORE (not TO) the image of the Saint, he addresses his prayer to the Person not its image and says “I ask this in the name of Jesus Christ.” 

        I would partly agree with you that “Christian means, jesus follower”. It is a Christian teaching to pray for each other (See James 5:16). So, the LIVING Saints in heaven, under obligation as Christians, should pray for us when we ask them.

        You might be right that “no records of timothy after paul’s death that he venerate paul and ask for help when praying to god.” But the Bible does NOT contain everything. John said in his gospel “There are also many other things that Jesus
        did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole
        world would contain the books that would be written.” But one thing is for sure, Christians have the instructions to pray for each other. If Timothy did not record the veneration of the saints, well, you better check the Catacombs of the saints.
         

      • elpobre

        That’s why we are free to make any like making this thing like what pagans did? Dahil hindi naman pala natala sa bible e….tama ba?

      • elpobre

        Alam mo mangket-mangket karin, hindi ko naman sinasabi na ang feeling mo kapag nakaharap sa rebulto ay sinasamba mo na ang rebulto, ang sabi ko, hindi ito ang paraan ng pag samba sa diyos. Gets?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Mas importante ang disposisyon ng puso kesa sa iyong intrepretasyon sa pagluhod sa harap ng rebulto. Hindi pinagbawal ng Diyos na manalangin sa Santo na buhay at hindi kami nananalangin sa rebulto. Huwag mong ipagpilitan ang pananalangin sa rebulto kasi wala po iyan sa among dictionaryo. gets?

      • elpobre

        Kitam, hindi pinagbabawal nang diyos ang manalangin sa Santo (o humingin ng tulong sa santo, indi yan ginawa ng mananamba ng diyos), bawal nga e…ano ba sabi nang bible, lumayo ka sa mga idolo, kung ayaw mo ng rebulto, sino ba noon sa bible ang mga gumagamit ng idolo, sabi dito kanina ang sumasamba kina Baal, e di walang pinagkaiba, sinabi ko rin kanina, na ang feeling ng mga nananalangin sa harap ng idolo ay katulad din ng feeling mo, pareho din naman sa mananamba ni Baal, alam nilang wala na si Baal kaya gumawa sila ng kanyang idolo o rebulto, hindi mo ba na intindihan ang ibig sabihin ng rebulto, tanuningin mo si Amay Bisaya. Yan ang ayaw ng diyos na gaya-gaya sa mga pagano, kaya merong sampung utos..kala ko ba Catholic ang may pakana nang bible, bakit hindi natin maintindihan ito?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Saints are NOT idols. You are barking at the wrong tree. Idols are “spiritless” images. They do not represent a holy person created by God. The images of the saints are NOT idols. They represent a living being in heaven. And, these images are NOT being prayed to but the person they represent.

        Saints are LIVING Christians, and Christians have to pray for each other. 

      • elpobre

        Unang-una sasabihin ko sayo, ang mga saint na pinagtitibay ng simbahan ay claimed and only higher hierachical from the vatican who decide the sainthood of a person together with their miracles, no one knows that is really from god as other religion also claimed with their own.

        And the idols (images representing a deity), rebulto and carving images that use in worship are condemned by Isrealite’s and Christian God, and only church claimed that by using this things are acceptable to god but the bible doesn’t teach this, the way of worshiping god.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        elpobre: Ang lakas ng loob mong magkomento patungkol sa proseso ng pagdeclara ng isang tao na banal when you are actually ignorant of the procedures. Sorry, it is not easy to be declared saint. The Holy See (not the Vatican) cannot declare anybody a saint without the strong and affirmative testimony of the local Church where the blessed come from. Shame on you for dipping your finger on this issue which you are clearly ignorant.

        Saints are NOT “dieties” so that their images are NOT “idols”. Don’t push it. Walang patutunguhan ang accusation mo. God did not ban the images, per se. God banned the images of “dieties” but he allowed the carving of the image of the angels. Kung imahe ng mga diyos-diyosan, bawal. Kung imahe ng anghel at mga santo, OK. gets?
         

      • elpobre

        And whose the one from us can tell that this saints are alive in heaven, is there anyone messengers from god whose telling this to our priest to vote for the canonization of this saint?

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        The Bible recorded that there are saints in heaven. You failed to read it?

        All baptized Christians are predestined to heaven. So we can be sure that by the grace of God, we will all go to heaven. Ito ang pinanghahawakan ng simbahan. We can be sure that saints are already in heaven if they are able to intercede for us.

      • elpobre

        Are you sure all christians are in heaven, how about david, abraham, moses and all gods people who are not christians.

        And where we can find the bases sa pinanghahawakan ng simbahan, CLAIMED na naman? ano ba yan.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        All the baptized are assured of heaven so long as they remain faithful to God. This is the teaching of Jesus and the Aposltes.

        The OT faithful were saved by Jesus. After his death on the Cross, he went to the abode of the dead and preached there so they can be saved. Havent you read this in scriptures?

        Ang pinanghahawakan ng simbahan ay ang declarasyon ng Panginoon that all will be saved. We are all predestined to heaven. This is not a claim f the Church.

      • antonioluna

         satan is almost as old as the lord, contrary to your belief that saints intercede and creates miracle, god let things happen because man si created with freewill if god would have intercede no famine, no war could have happened, nuclear weapons would not have invented.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        antonioluna: Saints do not create miracles on their own powers. God creates miracles from the intercession of the Saints.
         

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        “There is nothing wrong in praying to the person Mary and the Saints…”

        There you go again! You obviously have rationalized your idolatry even after reading and being confronted with the Second of the Ten Biblical Commandments. You attach much more importance to Roman Catholic traditions, rituals and teachings rather than to the Word of God, the Bible!!!

        Here is a quote from Dr. E. L. Martin on the origins of the Roman Catholic Church:

        “Right from the very beginning, Satan had his counterfeit “messiah” operating right in the true Messiah’s back yard. His name was Simon Magus or Simon the sorcerer and this man, and not Simon Peter the Apostle, went on to found the Universal Roman “church.” His career was the history of Roman Catholicism in miniature. For a long time he bewitched the people with his false miracles. Since the year 600 A.D., Rome has bewitched the world with her false miracles of transubstantiation.

        Simon believed and was baptized. Outwardly he was a Christian but his belief was only superficial and he was still a pagan at heart. He coveted the apostolic office and saw the opportunity of using Christianity to make money– a business corporation masquerading as the congregation of Christ!! This man can truly be considered as the founder of the Latin church.”

        Your heart seems to have been hardened. The Truth is right before you, yet you fail to see.

      • napmat

        You were reading the perverted history.  Better to be naive in history rather than reading the wrong one.

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        You must be talking about yourself. Do some research & don’t just rely on what your priests tell you. Remember, there are many pedophiles in the RCC priesthood. Perverts can easily pervert history.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Funny. You no longer have any more lies to tell here so that you are changing the issue to the pedophilia of priests? C’mon. They are very few as compared to a higher precentage among protestant clergy. There are more perverts in the protestant world.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Marc Lloyd: Rationalized my idolatry? C’mon, Jesus and the apostles did not prevent us from asking our fellow LIVING Christian to pray for us. Instead, they encouraged it. Mary and the Saints are NOT DEAD. They are very much alive like the person next to you each day. They can listen to you and pray for you.  

        Who is “Dr. E. L. Martin”? Is he any better simply because he has attached to himself the title “Dr.” so that everything that he says about the Church should be accepted? Who among the apostles can guarantee to us that what he is teaching is true, that it came from them? Look, even the Eastern Orthodox acknowledges that it was Peter and Paul who shed their blood in Rome, Peter being the first Pope. The Anglican Church, protestant at that, acknowledges the same. No one from the first century down to the middle ages doubted on that Peter founded the Church of Rome, and now, you present to me your “Dr. E. L. Martin”?

        You spread lies after lies after lies. Accept it: you were fooled by your pastors. They taught you of a “Catholic Church” that does not exist on earth or in the entire universe but in their hallucinations.

        You better tell your story to the marines.
         

      • elpobre

        And Rizal is also alive, ask the group that worship him, he is very alive in their heart. The truth is he is spiritually and physically dead, and nothing he can do anymore (Ecc. 5:9). Spiritually dead due exposing injustices in Catholic faith.

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        I’ve already shared with you the real Second of the Ten Commandments listed in the Bible, as well as, what Jesus has declared about Himself, but alas, you are still bent on praying to idols and people not to Christ! You have exchanged the truth of God for a lie & are so in love with that falsehood.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        “real Second of the Ten Commandments”? LOL. As if the Bible was written with verse numbers when it was originally written. wahehehehe. You are such an ignoramus of the Bible. Indeed, the numbering of the “Decalogue” varies in different schools of thought. But one thing is for sure, the Catholic numbering is the oldest. And this numbering was made even before we assigned numbers to chapters and verses of the Bible. The Catholic Church should know which is 1st, 2nd, 3rd commandment because she produced and owns the Bible.

      • elpobre

        Kita mo, natatawa ka sa ten commandments, basahin mo nga ang sarili mong version nang bibliya.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Natatawa ako sa ten commandments? Ang pinagtatawanan ko ang pagkaignorante tngkol sa Bible ng kaibigan natin dito.

      • elpobre

        Plain and simple kaibigan, baka meron ka pang intepretation ng ten commandments kaya ok lang ang mga images natin.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        You cannot reinterpret the 10 commandments.  God does not like us to have other “gods”. The angels and the saints are not “gods”; they are servants of the one true God. God did not ban the images, per se. God banned the images of “dieties”
        but he allowed the carving of the image of the angels. Kung imahe ng mga
        diyos-diyosan, bawal. Kung imahe ng anghel at mga santo, OK.

      • Pablobnb

        Man you are one of the worst casuist I’ve ever known. The Ten Commandments of God were unequivocal and clear but you are trying to have it say the very opposite.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Really? Say it first to St. Jerome. 

      • Pablobnb

        You are to be pitied for trusting Jerome more than the word of God. It is either you don’t know who this saint Jerome you are talking about by being ignorant of christian history or you’re the type of person who is willing to be flattered and to flatter anyone just like the historian Eusebius of Caesarea who lavished praises to emperor Constantine. In any case you are pitiful.

  • elpobre

    pwede ba kaming humingi na paliwanag moder? kung bakit hindi ma post ang comment ko?

  • elpobre

    sinabi ko lang naman na ang taong patay ay wala nang magagawa (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

  • elpobre

    At ang diyos hindi nag paparosa ng tao sa impyerno ng walang hanggan dahil hindi manlang itinuro ni Jesus yan, gaya ng sinabi ni Zambrano na gustong ipaturo ni Jesus sa kanya.

  • elpobre

    Ang sinasamba kung diyos ay diyos nang pag-ibig, iwan ko lang sa inyo? at ang mga taong napakasama sa tingin ng diyos ay ang sa Sodoma at Gomora pero nag paulan lang siya ng asupre at patay na sila, hindi binangit na hanggang ngayon pinarurusahan pa sila. Hindi magawa ng diyos ang ganong pagpaparosa gaya ng naiisip natin. Gets niyo…

  • elpobre

    ginagawa lang tayong bata nang simbahan para matakot sa parusa ng diyos, pero kabaliktaran ang kanyang pang unawa sa atin, gusto kung dipensahan ang diyos sa inyong paratang na brutal magpaparusa ang sinasambang totoong diyos. Nang wala nang option ang diyos dahil napakasama na ang tao, wala siyang ginawang anumang parusa, maliban sa isang delubyo na sanhi ng pagkamatay nang lahat maliban sa pamilya ni Noah pati na ang kanyang mga alagang hayop. Ngayon saan ang impyerno. Mag-isip nga kayo.

  • elpobre

    Kung ang veneration ay katumbas ang meaning sa adoration ibig sabihin napa conflict at masalimuot itong pinagagawa sa ating isip at damdamin.
    Adoration – worship to god and to God only
    Veneration – admiring saints, or unlike adoration to God, but same styles and acts of worship to God.

    Ano ba talaga Papa?

    • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

      elpobre: You said “Veneration – admiring saints, or unlike adoration to God, but same styles and acts of worship to God.”

      Which is real and important: your interpretation of an act (or style) or the intent of the person who acts?

      Surely, Catholics bow to Jesus and the Saints; and, their bowing to both might appear the same. Is it same to immediately judge that they “worship” the saints just as they worshiped Jesus on the basis of their bowing? Or, is it proper that you find out first the intent of the bowing to Jesus and to the Saints?

      We bow to Jesus to worship him. We bow to Kings and Queens as sign of respect but by bowing, do we worship them? Of course not.

      Do not rely on the superficials and on your shallow interpretations.
       

      • elpobre

        And bowing before them is an act of worship, even you like it or not, even you feeling is not.
        Bakit hindi nalang nating gagamitin yan, tulad ni Daniel and the early christian that they pray without this pagan symbols. The ten commandments exactly stated that we do not use such things in our worship with god. Akala mo ba itong mga babilonyo na nag babow doon sa image na ginawa ni Nebuchadnezzar na feel ba ng mga babilonian or most of israelite slaves sa images sila sumasamba? hindi, meron silang sariling diyos na hindi makikita, pero bakit god condeming such way of worship? dahil ayaw niya nang ganon as ten commandments stated. In time of Moses, israelites made an image to be worship, god punished them for that. And during Jesus stay on earth, wala manlang pagkakataon na nag pepray sa harap ng image in David or sa mga symbols pati na ang mga apostoles.

        Bowing to the king and queen is not the same as we bow to this idols, did you go to the church, peoples bowing to the idols are not the same as we bow to our lolo and lolas.

        Interpretations of one thing is not always the same as you expected, the interpretation i made is base on what i see and research, now if you stick to your mind about interpretation prepared to us by our church, that is your rights.

      • napmat

        Elpobre ka nga. Poor in understanding.  Why God forbid Israelites to do and worship statues of animals? Because obviously God is not in the profile of an animal. Don’t you know that no one has seen God in the old testment until the birth of Jesus? The Lord Jesus is the exact image of the living God. Since no one has seen God before Jesus therefore, the ten commandments forbid the making of idols to be worshiped as god. Kung ikaw ba naman ginagawan ng drawing ang mukha mo ng pintor na hindi nakakita sa iyo at ang mukha mo ay mukhang kabayo papayag ka na lang, pero ang Dios hindi kaya bumaba si JesuCristo upang makita ang mukha na kawangis ng Dios. Dahil nakita na ang Dios sa kay Cristo, ang mga marunong magpinta hindi ba puede mag pinta ng mukha nya.  Jesus never said don’t ever paint my face and worship. Ang mababasa sa New Testament don’t worship the idols like ZEUS, BAAL and others worshiped by pagans and israel of the old.  Even Moses commanded the israelits when they were in the desert to make statue of a snake for the israel to see to cure their wounds/sickness.  When you read the bible try to understand with reasons.  Don’t understand the bible in today’s setting. You understand the culture of the israelites 2000 to 3000 years ago. How many times did you kiss the picture of your wife/husband when she is away or your mother or father or your girlfriend so you feel guilty of kissing or just being in your wallet.  By your definition, it is idolatry.  So better through it away; you sin against God.  Ang babaw ng pagkaintindi mo; elpobre ka nga. Saints were living persons of exceptional quality of devoption to God and they deserve to be immortalized by making statues. Kung humalik ka nga sa asawa mo o sa kanyang litrato sinasabi mo pang I love you, pagkatapos sa litrato o sa sculpture sa mukha ni Cristo sinasabi mong diosdiosan. Tampalasan.

      • elpobre

        And your rich in understanding? hindi mo ba naintindihan na ang utos ng diyos ginawa kay Moses para sabihin sa kanyang bayan? at gumagawa ba ang mga Israelita ng images sa kanilang pagsamba bago sila gumawa ng baka? hindi, ang utos nayan sa mga tao mismo ng diyos para warningan sila na wag gayahin ang ibang religion na gumagawa noon, dahil pag ginawa nila yan, pareho lang sila ng mga pagano na sumasamba sa kanilang diyos na merong rebulto. Ikaw ba, kapag ang patalim na sumaksak doon sa namatay mong tatay ay hahalikan mo ba? Ipakita ko sayo ang picture ng lolo ng iyong lolo mo, hahalikan mo ba? Iba ang emotion sa kapiling mong minamahal na merong picture na nariyan sa pitaka mo at hina-halik-halikan mo kong doon ka sa malayong lugar. Ang mga images na narito sa simbahan ay nakakapukaw ng damdamin sa diyos na yong sinasamba ngunit hindi iyan tunay, hindi natin alam ang warning sa bible, hindi sinabi sa bible kung sinong mga idols yan, ang sinabi lang na lumayo tayo sa mga idols and no exception, kasama na dyan ang wag gawan ng idols si Jesus o sino mang santo dahil hindi ginawa ng mga early christians yan. Gets?

  • SomeAnonymousGuy

    amazing, my comment is still unapproved after more than a day…  looks like it will be a “miracle” for someone to approve it…

  • elpobre

    half cook, tatanggapin kaya ng diyos ang ating panalangin habang nakaharap tayo sa kanyang keno condemned na paraan ng pagsamba?

  • elpobre

    Sorry Ryan kung paputol-putol and reply ko, na unapproved kasi post ko pag masyadong mahaba, pag maikli kasi wala na siyang time para mag decide.

  • napmat

    elpobre ka pa rin.  May mga images na sila marami pa sa kanilang pagsamba pati na ang rebulto na baka bago binigay ng Dios kay Moses ang 10 utos. Ang mga images na iyan ay idolatry dahil hindi nga nila nakita ang mukha ng Dios. Basi sa religious definition nyo bawal ang images at litrato lalo na sa wallet mo dahil kasalanan sa Dios kaya itapon mo na yan. guilty ka dyan. kawawa ka naman, kulong ka sa paniniwala mong mali. Magbasa ka nga ng bible para malaman mo kung sino ang tinutokoy na diosdiosan.  Isa na dyan ang pera. sige tampalasanin mo ang mukha ni God-Jesus. But God-Jesus still loves you, dahil bumaba sya para sa makasalanan.

    • elpobre

      paki sabi nga kung ano pa ang images ng mga israelita noon? at kung Snake ni Moses ang sinasabi mo, utos ng diyos na gawin yon, at walang kinalaman sa mga images na ginagawa natin ngayon, dahil hindi yan ang uri ng pag samba ng diyos, ikaw pala ang hindi nagbabasa nang bible, nabasa mo ba sa bible na you need to worship god in spirit and not by sight?

    • elpobre

      Alam mo, kung ang tinutukoy mo ay mga images sa religious na babasahin, hindi yan qualify sa paggamit ng images ng katoliko, diosdioasan is the same thing with the diosdiosan ng katoliko kahit sabihin mo mang hindi mo sinasamba yan, ilang ulit ko bang sabihin sayo na wala akong kinalaman dyan sa feeling mo pagnagdarasal sa harap ng rebulto, ang question lang ay bakit pa tayo gagamit kong ang bible mismo ay hindi itinuturo ito.

    • elpobre

      Parang sinabi mong bawal din ang litrato ng anak ko sa wallet ko. I know and you know what we are talking about. God of Abraham and the propets did not shares any glory to any graven image (Isa 42.8 yan ha, baka sabihin mo kuro-kuro ko lang ang mga yan) kahit images niya pa ito, sa palagay mo nababago ang principle na ito ng diyos?

  • elpobre

    Did you accused me na tinampalasan ko ang images ni Jesus? how about making Jesus face with different colors, resemblance of races and cultures etc….

  • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

    “After his death on the Cross, he went to the abode of the dead and preached there so they can be saved.” – Ryan Barcelo

    Hahaha! You seem to be writing your own, twisted version of the book. That, definitely, is not from the Bible! Christ did not preach to the dead! Once dead, their fate is sealed. Shame on you for making up stories & perverting the essence of the Bible!

  • tamumd

    It’s hilarious to read all the threads here! All these religious nut jobs are wrestling each other to get the upper hand. lol “My god is better than your god and therefore my faith is the authentic one” lol This is exactly why the world should be rid of this religious delusion! Who ever is this physician from Cebu who claims that the above patient recovered because of Calungsod’s intercession should be investigated for professional dishonesty and fraud! This kind of phenomenon is not unique and it happens all the time whether or not you ask some unknown crazy saint for help.I would believe if they do a multi-centered, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial and see if there’s a statistically significant difference in the result between those who prayed to Calungsod and those who did not! Otherwise it’s just a claim and it’s a hoax! Mga kababayan..huwag po tayong magpauto…we’re not all first graders that could be easily swayed by some hocus-pocus claim.

    • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

      Dear idiot,

      I’m afraid you were unable to comprehend the thread of arguments. It’s not a matter of “my god is better than your god” thing. It’s a matter of unearthing the truth as written in the Bible versus that claimed by organized religion; of praying directly to God versus praying to idols /statues of saints.
       
      I agree with you that the supposed “miracle” is a sham. I think though, and pardon me for saying so, that proposing to subject such issue to a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial is quite stupid of you. Will you present “Calungsod miracle pills” to one group and placebo to the other?

      I agree with your exhortation that we should not blindly believe everything our priests, pastors, bishops, imams etc. say. We should question everything and do our own research to verify or refute their claims.

      There are things that Science and logic cannot explain. Right now, you seem to be a logical atheist with no faith in anything divine. It should be interesting how you would fare once stricken with prostate cancer or taken hostage by muslim suicide bombers.

      • tamumd

        Dear Holier-than thou religious fundie;
        Comprehend…did you read all the rejoinders here? Isn’t that what each of your are trying to do? My belief is better than yours coz I only believe in the bible? The Catholics on the other hand claim that they have other source of their belief other than the bible. And you guys send volleys of qoutations back and forth from an iron-age book written by some illiterate desert nomads.

        Why can’t you not do a multi-centered, blinded, placebo-controlled trial. How about enrolling all comatose patients in several hospitals and randomly assigning them into 2 groups. All other factors must be equally matched including age, gender, type of diseases and the number of participants, etc. One group will be prayed over imploring the intercession of Calungsod and the other just no prayer or pray to the wall or a stick (the placebo control). The patients and those taking care of them including the doctors and nurses should not know and participate in any of these prayers. Let a third party do it. Then measure the outcome. See if those who wake up really belongs to the Calungsod group. So is that hard to do? Or you’re afraid to try it coz nothing will come out of it maybe even if you pray to your god..same result will happen. Sad that your knowledge is only limited to the “pills”. Any experiement/trial that studies an intervention be it a procedure, pill or in this case prayer can have a control. That’s how you find out if the outcome is really the result of the intervention or just a random occurence.

        I can bet you that any atheist would just fare as you are if stricken with prostate or any cancer for that matter or being taken hostage by any suicidal person. What makes you take think that believing in an invisible, bearded fairy hiding behind the clouds would save/spare you from the ravages of a terminal illness or the plan of a crazy suicidal person?
        Just think about that you gullible dimwit!!?

      • http://twitter.com/InfinityEagle Marc Lloyd

        Ok, dude, start organizing your Evidence-Based Miracle trial. Start calling hospitals! Let’s see what they’d say about your proposal. So now, “praying to the wall or a stick,” is equivalent to a placebo! hahaha. Try telling them that. They’ll say “You’re crazy. It might do you some good to spend time confined at the mental.”

      • tamumd

        Isn’t believing in an invisible deity that you can talk to a delusion and a form of magical thinking? Last time I heard those are characteristics of someone with schizotypal-schizophrenic tendencies? So I guess you’re more crazier than I do. Also since you’re the one who believe in miracles..the onus and burden of proof should come from you and not me to prove it!

      • jin2012

        Marc Lloyd:

        2 Timothy 2:24″And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.”

        Matthew 22:36-40
        “36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
        37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.””

  • tamumd

    I wonder what Ronald Tubid thinks that his face is blown-up into billboard size proportion and venerated as Pedro Calungsod! The thought of it is just really absurd and disturbing! Talking about stretching the truth and making up things out of thin air!!!

  • tamumd

    I wonder if the moderators here in PDI are biased? I didn’t write any different from what has been said on the other threads before me! Yet these guys keep blocking my rejoinders! Are these same catholic minions infiltrating a supposed to be respectable paper? Just a thought!

  • GKLer

    To the atheists and evolutionists:

    This is evolution 101:  Single atom iron based life forms evolved into my Honda all on their own after zillions of years.  

    Darwin never saw what a REAL woman looked like.  Just search for Ms. Lin Ketong – absolutely no resemblance to an ape in any universe.



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