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Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on Sunday warned Senator Pia Cayetano, principal sponsor of the reproductive health (RH) bill in the upper chamber, that “she will lose” if she insisted on a plenary decision to end the period of debate so the controversial measure could be quickly put to a vote.

Enrile noted that many senators still wanted to ask questions about the bill. He pointed out that the debate had shifted from simple queries about the side effects of contraceptives to deeper and more serious concerns, such as the implications of a controlled population on economic development.

Reports said Cayetano planned to file a motion seeking an end to the period of debate or interpellation so the Senate could move to the period of amendment and, finally, a vote.

Enrile, however, thinks Cayetano may be taking a wrong tack.

“If (Cayetano) files a motion to close the period of interpellation, baka matalo siya (she may face defeat).  If she insists on that motion, she will lose. While I will accept and submit her motion to the floor for a vote, in my view, that motion is likely to lose,” Enrile said in an interview.

As it was, the Senate President said, “at least 10” members were prepared to vote against the RH bill should Cayetano force the issue, noting that the number could be decisive in killing the bill.

Of the “six or seven” others still undecided, Enrile said, “two or three” could be persuaded to side with those against the measure.

“These are just my personal observations,” said Enrile, who chose not to name fellow senators who were likely to vote “nay.”

Simple majority

A simple majority of those present in a session would be enough to decide the fate of the RH bill, the Senate President said. For example, in a quorum of 18 senators, 10 votes would suffice to overturn the measure, he added.

Cayetano suggested last week that Senate leaders were reluctant to tackle the RH bill after the chamber approved the 2012 national budget in record time.

The RH bill seeks to define the government’s policy on reproductive health and involves an endorsement of artificial methods of contraception to aid parents to determine the number of children in their families.

While supporters praise the advantages offered by the measure, especially to women from economically and educationally disadvantaged sectors, those who oppose it argue that the RH bill would promote promiscuity and give global lobbyists a say in determining the size of the country’s population.

Enrile and Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III, in various instances, explained that many questions about the RH were still left unanswered.

Issues other than health

The Senate President echoed fears that the Philippines might replicate the experience of other countries where the diminishing number of younger people could not support an aging population.

“That’s why we need to examine the effects of this bill on our security and economy.  If farmers and other poor people are being targeted so they would not have so many children, who would take over the farms? You see, this can be a pro-elitist bill. Why, is it only the wealthy people who have the right to bear children,” Enrile asked.

“This bill is too important to rush.  Why can’t the proponents understand that? You are dealing with the population of a country, not just the health of the women involved,” he added.

Earlier, Senator Panfilo Lacson warned that the country’s dwindling natural resources would prove inadequate in providing for a continuously growing population.

Pro-lifers claim victory

Pro-life groups on Sunday said they regarded as a “victory” the announcement by leaders of Congress that the RH bill would not be passed before the end of the year.

“The message is we are victorious already in the fight against the RH bill and we are now conducting the house-to-house combat—for the upper and lower houses [of Congress]. The passage of the bill is supposed to end the year; let the people know that we are victorious in our war. But the battle continues to rage,” Pro-Life Philippines Foundation president Eric Manalang told reporters.

Pro-life groups from various parts of the country staged a prayer-rally at Rizal Park Sunday as they ended their National Marian Pilgrimage for Life that began on December 5.

The rally, which had the theme, “Save the World Through Divine Power,” backs the Catholic Church Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines’ opposition to the RH bill and same-sex unions.

Manalang also called on President Aquino not to put pressure on congressmen to approve the bill.  “This kind of pressure is uncalled for. The will of the people should be followed. Let us not force this. The problem [in our country] is poverty and corruption. This is what the government should be spending for,” he said.

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  • Nic Legaspi

    I’m a bit concerned about how our taxes would be used to buy contraceptives for the poor. But I’m all for the effective dissemination of information so the masses would know about family planning, about having a huge family. This bill should be thought out during the deliberations first. The effect of forcing a vote on the bill would see all undecided senators give a “nay” vote.

    While the Catholic church and other anti-RH groups have repeatedly criticized the bill as a population control measure, have they offered an alternative solution aside from natural family planning methods? Has it been working so far?

    And by the way, don’t we have moderators here to take care of abusive trolls?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      That’s the problem, based on reports from people involved in the process, many senators have essentially been filibustering the bill.  I actually read a transcript of the questioning a few months back and some of the questions being asked by the likes of Enrile were completely ridiculous.  Enrile in particularly isn’t even pretending to try and learn about the bill anymore, based off his questions in the interpellations.

      If they really were still in the process of learning about the bill I’d be all for it, but it’s gotten to the point where the public has more knowledge about the bill than some of these guys are displaying.  All there is to know about the bill is already out there, it’s way past time to vote.

      And we apparently don’t have moderators, which is a pity.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        Senator Enrile and the other Senators who oppose this rh bill were elected by the people to represent them in making laws. It is but right that we allow these Senators to do what the people requires of them in their own way.

        Insulting these Senators as well as the Church and the anti-rh, and making slanderous remarks against their character because of the position they take is foul. —- That is a basic in civility.

        Just because other people have a different point of view than yours, do not make these people liars or ridiculous.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You’ve never heard of filibusters, then.  I’m not surprised.

        And you’re one to lecture on civility.  You’ve replied to pretty much everyone of my posts (on subjects that have nothing to do with our disagreement on the RH Bill) with childish insults and nonsense.

        Incidentally, lecturing people on civility while insulting people on random threads?  That, Ian, is hypocrisy.  Please think that over, and use that word properly in the future.

      • IanAlera

        Hay naku Jose.

        Hindi mo ba alam na ang filibustering ay isang political strategy? Parte yan ng isang political manuever. — Sobra naman ang pag-ka ignorante mo para hindi malaman iyan. 

        Childish insults and nonsense?  — That’s how people who go into debates, but hasn’t shown any maturity should be treated.  That treatment is perfect for your insolence.

        So you better stop making yourself an idiot. Argue about topics, stop insulting other people; do not engage in debates while you are ‘spaced out’. And try to use your head once in a while.
        ————-

        You moan and gripe about trolls, stalkers and insults, but you do the same
        ‘trolling’ thing every time you insult other people because of their beliefs.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Ah, you googled filibustering.  Good for you, at least you’re learning.

        And filibustering is legal, but not ethical. 

        And Ian, there are probably other for people who follow you around on every thread yuo post in for the sole purpose of insulting you, but ‘troll’ and ’stalker’ seem appropriate enough.

        As for the debate bit, you’ve clearly shown yuo don’t have the guts to debate me.

        Man up or shut up.

      • IanAlera

        Sabi mo? — “And Ian, there are probably other for people who follow you around on
        every thread yuo post in for the sole purpose of insulting you, but
        ‘troll’ and ’stalker’ seem appropriate enough.”

        Tanong ko — Ano kamo? Hilo ka na ba?
        ———–

        Debate? — Your empty bravado is only for show.  I have been engaging you in debates but all you do is become evasive.  Para kang si Floyd Gayweather.

        Man up?  — No jose, you man up… I mean literally.  Stop your stupidity.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’m not surprised that you didn’t understand the first bit.  I suppose I should’ve dumbed that down for you, but why bother?

        Oh, and the debate challenge stands.  Man up or shut up.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        Paulit ulit lang iyang man-up na iyan. Walang sense.

        Sagutin mo yung actual arguments Jose Gayweather.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You have no actual arguments.

        And if you keep pretending you’ve won any arguments, I’m going to keep repeating my challenge, you coward.

        Man up or shut up.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to IDIOT jose,

        you said — “… no actual arguments.”

        I say — Are you really that stupid?

        I have done well enough to prove that your statement is false.  And that you are an IDIOT for engaging in debates without a clear idea of what you are saying.–  Such stupidity.
        ————————————–

        You said — “As for the last bit, the sanctity of physical union is really the Church’s responsibility, not the government’s.  There’s that separation of Church and State bit again. ”

        I say — The sanctity of the physical union, is as part of the State’s responsibility
        as that of the Church.  Have you not read the Constitution?

        “Section 12. The State recognizes the sanctity of family life and shall protect
        and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution.”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You haven’t proven anything.  And why are you so afraid of an actual debate?

        Also, you’re just copy/pasting posts across threads now.  Such lack of effort, tsktsktsk.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to IDIOT jose,

        Better that I win even with a minimum of effort and yet coming out with the truth, rather than you using all your effort in coming up with stupid false statements.

        I have proven you an IDIOT and a SISSY.  Stop acting like Floyd Gayweather.

        You cannot even refute my position… IDIOT
        —————

        You said — “As for the last bit, the sanctity of physical union is
        really the Church’s responsibility, not the government’s.  There’s that
        separation of Church and State bit again. ”

        I say — The sanctity of the physical union, is as part of the State’s responsibility
        as that of the Church.  Have you not read the Constitution?

        “Section 12. The State recognizes the sanctity of family life and shall protect
        and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution.”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Anyone following this knows you’re chicken.  The challenge is out there, it’s up to you to man up.

        Oh, and post reported.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        I challenged you to a debate. And actually started if off with real arguments. But you would just rather make an empty bluster. You trying to cover your inadequacy with juvenile insults.

        Just be true to yourself. A little humility will not harm anyone.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No Ian, you’re continuing your ridiculous pattern of pretending I’m the one doing the things you’ve been doing.

        I’ve challenged you repeatedly to a debate on the RH Bill in any site with a decent forum where people will pay attention.  Challenge was laid down a while back, and you still haven’t answered it.

        You’re chicken.  Man up, you coward.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        Just think. Who is the one calling other people chicken? That is a childish insult.
        Go back to your cocoon, and come back to debate when you have matured.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Not really.

        It’s not an insult, it’s a statement of fact.  You’ve been lying about winning a debate, I’m flat out challenging you to one, and you’ve been ducking it.  The challenge stands, but I don’t see you taking it.  That is cowardice.

        And it is childish, yes, but I figured I’d go down to your level since you don’t appear to understand anything more complex.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        Jose I don’t want this exchange of ours to continue to be a drag. I do not even want to reply to your comment. But your in-your-face lies are unacceptable. And you have the gall to call other people ‘chicken’?

        Stop making an IDIOT of yourself. People can read our posts and debates. Denying what’s already written and published proves you are dishonest. SHOW SOME SELF-RESPECT.

        Just a few posts down, you will see that I am actually challenging you to defend your false statement. And your response is empty bluster about engaging in a debate in another forum. STOP BEING EVASIVE.

        You can either prove that your statement is correct and that my statement is wrong, OR you can show some dignity and ADMIT your statement is false, and that you’ve lost the argument. Either one or the other, otherwise you will always be a SISSY and an IDIOT.

        Jose, there is no shame in showing humility.
        ——————

        You said — “As for the last bit, the sanctity of physical union is
        really the Church’s responsibility, not the government’s. There’s that
        separation of Church and State bit again. ”

        I say — The sanctity of the physical union, is as part of the State’s responsibility
        as that of the Church. Have you not read the Constitution?

        “Section 12. The State recognizes the sanctity of family life and shall protect
        and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution.”

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jose,

        No IDIOT jose, you are just so dumb that your post come out unintelligible.

  • Anonymous

    Aling Ian, mabuti nandiyan ka pala. Isama ma na rin kita sa barkada ni Lolo mong Enrile at Sotto.
    Siguragdong magustuhan ka nila kasi bata ka pang walang karanasan. Ika nga ay virg—-n. Have fun, my friend.

  • Anonymous

    Aling Ian, hinamon ka ni Jose sa malinis na debate. Baka namang umurong yong dalawang bala mo between your legs. Lagut ka. Mabuti pa tumahimik ka na. Mapahiya ka lang sa galing ni Jose.  Jose, nakakaawa naman si Aling Ian. Huwag mo siyang masyadong pahirapan. Totoy lang yan.

    • IanAlera

      Replying to mangtom,

      Kumakati na naman yang kabaklaan mo?  Ikaw din baka mapunta ka sa impiyerno na puno ng aids/hiv.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LNVGJQDIZ3DXTGY5RESCYHFBVU Jerome

    Ok back
    to topic. What is Enrile still doing in Politics? Why doesn’t he retire now? Oh
    RH Bill is this still going on? How many years now? lol.

    The RH
    Bill is a complex issue. It is bills-within-a-bill or too many proposals with
    different purposes compiled in one legislation. This is what makes it so
    complicated. They should go back to drawing board and start all over again;
    address individual proposal as one and differ from the other, even though they
    will be inter-connected later on.  Then
    the assignment of responsibilities will be dealt as well as per proposal. That
    is, which is suitable for the government and which is for the private sectors.

    There are
    many questions that will arise. Does it only target the poor, to control their
    reproduction? Does the rich allowed to multiply because they can afford it?
    I know they are trying to control the population explosion by controlling the
    reproduction. In China it was forced and I believe it is still enforced to have
    1 child per family and only a boy. Girl will be killed. Now they are
    experiencing social unbalance because there are men without partners and due to
    aging population there will be fewer workers than retirees. Apparently in
    Australia, they will be facing the same problem by 2025. However, the
    population in Australia will only be 25 million. So it is not as great problem
    as China has. But then again, Australia will have a workforce of 4million with
    5 million retirees. Who will fund the pensioners? I am mentioning this because
    controlling the population will have a diverse impact in the future. This is
    what Enrile is concerned about.

    Had
    anyone done researches and studies about this topic before they even try to
    pass the bill to the senate? This issues they are arguing about should have
    been done by group of independent researchers and professors who are qualified
    to argue about economics and affects on population growth and control. This
    should be represented by experts rather than politicians or senators. I am just
    asking to know if there is such thing.

    This
    project is another merchandise, open for corruption. Imagine the volume of money
    involved in this project and the distribution of these items. My opinion is,
    the private sector should not even get involved in this distribution because
    Philippine Anti-corruption Movement, if there is, could not even stop the
    government from corruption. Imagine private sectors joining in as well. There
    should be an independent watchdog for this operation.

    What is
    the Pro-Life doing in this issue, this is not about abortion and this is about population
    control and economic development. I hope legalising abortion is not part of
    this bill though. That would be a disaster.

    The way
    everyone behaving at the moment is like children arguing about a lot of things
    at one instant and also practising the delaying tactics which are not helping
    at all. Good luck!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Hi Jerome,

      I’d recommend reading Congressman Bello’s recent column on this subject, which is also on the Inquirer website.  He addresses several of the questions you bring up.

      Essentially: the bill isn’t about population control so much as it is about giving the poor access to family planning.  Nothing in the bill discriminates against the poor, and in fact the increased amount of supplies and services they’ll have access to empowers them, if anything.  There is also no mention in the bill of ideal family size, or anything of the sort.

      Regarding the ‘demographic winter’, as the state of having an aging population is called, I have yet to read anything from a credible economist or statistician that states that there is any danger of that happening in the next several decades, even if population growth was severely curtailed.  I’ve seen an opinion from the School of Economics faculty, for instance, that flat out states that it’s not a danger for the Philippines.  It is an opinion based on the study of stats, which I think is what you’re also looking for.  It should be available on google, and IIRC the title is something like ‘Population and Poverty’.

      I hope this helps.



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