CBCP wants anti-discrimination bill cleansed of provisions on gay rights

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MANILA, Philippines—The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) is now training its guns on the anti-discrimination bill, saying the possible enactment of the bill into law would open the door for the legalization of same sex marriages.

Speaking at a weekly forum in Greenhills, San Juan City, on Wednesday, lawyers of the CBCP and a Catholic bishop hit the Senate for amending the previous version of the anti-discrimination bill or the Senate Bill 2814.

The Senate has recently passed on third reading the bill which is after penalizing all forms of discrimination.

The SB 2814, known as Anti-Ethnic, Racial or Religious Discrimination and Profiling Act of 2011, will be discussed by a bicameral conference committee tasked to harmonize the Senate bill with similar bills passed by the House.

Ronald Reyes, a lawyer of the CBCP, said they had no qualms about the bill before but became concerned when the bill was amended and “sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity” were included.

“It’s opening the door for same sex marriages, which our country doesn’t allow,” Reyes told reporters.

He said the Catholic church, which would not officiate same sex marriages, might be punished if the bill became law.

“This is alarming and it might change our society,” Reyes said.

Another CBCP lawyer Jo Imbong said the LGBT (lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender) should not be considered the same as the elderly, the handicapped, and the poor.

“These people are disadvantaged not by their own choice. But the third sex, they choose this. How can you give protection to a choice like that?” Imbong said.

Imbong said the bill violated religious freedom and the “no prior restraint” accorded by the law to freedom of speech.

“The government may not penalize a religious organization for … excluding a person from Church responsibilities, for example, based upon that person’s moral behavior which could include the practice or promotion of homosexuality,” she said.

The bill would hinder the Church from teaching what it believed to be right or wrong, Imbong said.

The lawyer noted that under the bill, the priest who refused to officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed for 25 years.

Antipolo Bishop Gabriel Reyes said the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life of the CBCP has been appealing to the Senate and the House of Representatives to exclude the LGBT from the bill.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TBRBFLCOO43H7LSWEV3RDSUFXA Daniel

    Ayaw nila ng same-sex marriage? E diba mga bakla naman yang mga yan? Oo nga pala, di rin kasi nila pwede ma-enjoy hehe. Kung di rin lang pwede sa kanila, pwes hindi rin pwede sa iba. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vicente-Boticol/100002674898219 Vicente Boticol

      Most priests,bishops and even cardinals are homosexuals masquerading as servants of GOD. These are the hypocrites cited in the bible who claim moral ascendancy over their gullible flock but in truth and in fact are as immoral and condemnable as Padre Damaso and the recently convicted pedophile members of the church.IN MANUS TUAS DOMINE COMMENDO SPIRITUM MEUM !

  • Anonymous

    “We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty — these are Christian virtues. And obviously, in a diverse community, tolerance is an important working principle. But it’s never an end in itself. In fact, tolerating grave evil within a society is itself a form of serious evil.” – Archbishop Chaput

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

      so gays are evil is that what youre saying? and that is Charity?

      • Anonymous

        Homosexual acts and same sex marriages are grave sins. I love the person not the sin.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

        So easy for you to mouth that you love the person!! and just how do you show that? that you love the person, by witholding him the protection from persecution afforded any other person? how simple minded can you be? You cannot separate the good side and the bad side of a person and just choose to love the good side. The protection the law is asking for is what Jesus gave the adulteress whom the people were about to stone.

      • Anonymous

        God of course, is first.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

        If youre an incoherent fanatic, the proposed law will also protect against discriminating against you.

      • Anonymous

        GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN. It’s not your place to judge.

      • Anonymous

        Of course God loves all His children but like a good parent, He does not tolerate wrongdoings. I, like one of His children only obeys what He wants.

      • Anonymous

        People are born gay – it is God’s will – the current translation of the King James Bible uses the word “abomination” – the word is incorrectly translated.

        The Pope is wrong.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, so He actually went to you IN PERSON and told you to be right and those who don’t live it your way are wrong. COOL! So when’s the apocalypse gonna be? What’s the next winning lotto ticket number? How’re your relatives who’re living in the closet doing these days?

      • Anonymous

        Those who forced people into the closet for the way they were born will have to answer for their actions.

        There is no VIP line up at the gates of heaven for Popes or Bishops or Priests – but there is a special line up for those who are bigots and intolerant.

        Yes – the Pope is wrong.

      • Anonymous

        look at your name here: just_anotherperson ; it just goes to show that we’re all unique but are equal to the eyes of our Creator. So how come you’re going up the pedestal like those Mitsubishops, over there, and making those who’re different from you wrong? You share this planet with your brethren, dude. We’re not hurting anyone when we love. And when you discriminate you hate. Where’s the love in that? Jesus clearly said to love and take care of each other and nothing more.

      • Anonymous

        //Of course God loves all His children but like a good parent, He does not
        tolerate wrongdoings. I, like one of His children only obeys what He
        wants.//

        Your God condoned genocide (Book of numbers 31). That is not a loving god, and certainly not one I feel obligated to follow.

    • http://twitter.com/elli_schizo camille

      so are you now equating being gay to being gravely evil? tsk. that’s so discriminatory and ignorant. 

      • Anonymous

        It is a simple sentence and yet you misunderstand it and worse, you changed the message.

      • Anonymous

        just read all your messages and try to see it at a different perspective– not the majority is fond of your self righteousness here. I’ve relatives who are much like you; self righteous and incoherently fanatic– when they’ve said their piece and walk out of the room– they become the laughing stock of the reunion. Like your vaunted CBCP, hindi ka marunong makisama.

    • Anonymous

      //But it’s never an end in itself. In fact, tolerating grave evil within a society is itself a form of serious evil.”//

      So why didn’t the Bishops say a thing against PGMA?

    • corin arenas

      Intolerance? Well, I just have to say, tolerating intolerance is no different. It’s a sign of evil as well.

    • Tim MacGeorge

      This quotation from Archbishop Chaput bears out the truth of the fact that Chaput is no theologian.  He is a bureaucrat, a climber, a man who hopes to be the first American pope, a dictatorial sycophant .. but he is not a Christian.  How on earth could anything thing that the things Chaput (and others of his ilk) put forth are the things that jesus would do? God help the Church from “leaders” like him!

    • http://twitter.com/ygrrec dr. mieber/mememon

      treating a person as how they should be treated is justice. so you’d rather have LGBTQ people discriminated against than have them treated as equals?

  • Anonymous

    Here we go again. The Catholic Church is so self absorbed. They think they are the be all and the end all of Philippine society. They believe they have the monopoly of wisdom. They bleieved they should impose their morality on everybody in the Philippines. PATHETIC! Jesus in the Gospels rose and fought for the same archytypal hypocrisy in society by the Pharisees. Gays are persons..the same face as that created by God!  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

    If being gay were a choice, as this Imbong is saying, wouldn’t Piolo have chosen to be straight instead and not suffer through all this scandal?

    • Anonymous

      right exactly.  Unfortunately our society is still way behind when it comes to understanding the biological merits of being a homosexual.

  • Anonymous

    The rights of all should be protected including those of different sexual orientation. But the Church should also be protected from prosecution if they refuse to offer religious services (sacraments, blessings) to LGBT people. But the Church should not discriminate against LGBT people in Church controlled universities, hospitals, and corporations. To be fair to the Church, I have met many gay teachers in Catholic Schools, they do not seem to be treated unfairly. But that was some time ago. As for gay marriage, I do not believe our society is ready for this and it will cause too much division. 

    • Anonymous

      If there is public money being used in any manner to support Catholic Universities or other Catholic Institutions, then they must abide by all discrimination laws – otherwise, those discriminated against deserve a tax refund.

  • Anonymous

    GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN AND JUDGEMENT IS GOD’S. You hypocrites in cloth are going WAY beyond your borders. Before the Spaniards brought you in, the Babaylan, the original Filipino Homosexuals, were one of the highest and most respected classes of people in the community of REAL Filipinos who balanced the nurturing nature of the woman and the act to drive of the man. They cared for society and guided the Datus and Rajahs in making decisions for society. The only reason why homosexuals have been behaving violently and wildly is because you’ve choked them to death for centuries. We know the truth that the Spanish used religion to subdue our country because they cannot take it by force at all. Religion was used by the Spaniards to fool us and now these dirty old men are doing the same. Shame on you CBCP. You’re power trippin’ and you’re teaching people to HATE!

  • Anonymous

    “Gay
    people are born into — and belong to — every society in the world.
    They are all ages, all races, all faiths. They are doctors, and
    teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes. Being gay is not a
    Western invention. It is a human reality.” – Hillary Rodham Clinton

  • Anonymous

    The Bishops now want the right to bully and discriminate against gays?  How arrogant not to honor the way someone God wished to be born gay.  Discrimination is discrimination; bullying is bullying even if it is the Catholic Church doing it.  The Catholic Bishops in the Philippines are giving Christianity a bad name! 

    Laws are for everyone, not just Catholics – get out of the way Bishops, or your will become even more irrelevant that you already are.

  • Anonymous

    “…The lawyer noted that under the bill, the priest who refused to
    officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed for
    25 years…”

    I downloaded from the Senate website. I did not find the word “sex” in the entirety of the bill. What is CBCP talking about?

  • Anonymous

    how many breaking news articles of inquirer feature bishops talking about their positions in matters of the state? that’s right.  Far too many. Tapos na ang panahon ng kastila but itong mga obispong ito akala nila e sila pa rin ang nagpapatakbo ng gobyerno.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5TQQYPGVHXCQLU4BRQR4FVBNA ramone

    Gosh, I cannot imagine how some of these church people can be so out of touch with mainstream thought. Please be reminded that Jesus did not discriminate against prostitutes (or the prostituted). Church people (including bishops) can try eating with sex workers and homosexuals. And by the way, homosexuals did not decide to be homosexuals. They simply are homosexuals.

  • Nic Legaspi

    We all know where this is heading. Unfortunately, in this country, what the Catholic church wants, the Catholic church gets.

    • Anonymous

      And I say no. I will see that change in my life time and it is now!

    • Anonymous

      Evidence indicated that you are correct – nothing will improve for anyone in this country until that problem gets fixed and the transfer of pesos to the Vatican stops.

  • Anonymous

    it was written in our recent gay pride, on one of the placards of the marchers: JESUS HUNG OUT WITH 12 MEN AND A PROSTITUTE; HE WAS MORE LIKE US THAN YOU (pertaining to the CBCP)

    • Anonymous

      All of them except for one named Judas, repented of their sins and obeyed Jesus.

      • Anonymous

        OK. That’s Judas. What does he have to do with this? Have you watched about his gospel on National Geographic? Or you don’t have cable in your parochial chamber?

  • http://life.georgeputong.com George Putong

    I get nauseous every single time I hear that “being gay is a choice or a lifestyle”. It isn’t! Jo Imbong, try being a victim of a hate crime. Try getting shot by pellets. Try being extorted by police who are supposed to protect and not harass you for being who you are.

  • alfred sanchez

    ariba na naman mga anti catholic pero mga muslim na sampu ang asawa e ok lang kahit imoral

  • Ronnel James Gorayeb

    CBCP has no respect for religious freedom. Not everyone believes in the teachings of the catholic. So what if this leads to same-sex marriage? There is no public harm or danger in that.

  • Anonymous

    as if to say priests get sent to prison at all. what about the countless cases of pedophilia and other indecencies committed by priests? and how many of them were held accountable? i realize i may be straying from the point, but i hope people would understand why i bring this up.

    also: how dare the Filipino Catholic Church cry foul at a government that could (possibly, but has not explicitly shown intent to do so) impose their own standard of morality on an independent religious body! for your information, separation of church and state works BOTH ways!!!

    palibhasa’y habang pinapakain at dinadamitan ang mahihirap, kung anu-anong kalokohan ang binubulong sa tenga. ngunit hindi ninyo maloloko ang edukado.

  • Anonymous

    The church always violates the constitution, which clearly separates state and church. Its up to the government to decide on gay rights, and its up to the church, to tell the gay people their possible “eternal” whatever the church wants to tell them….. but they have to stay out of law making!

    It’s a pity, we can’t “impeach” the church for “culpaple violation” of the constitution…..(Where are the smilies?)

  • Anonymous

    I agree that being gay is a choice– it’s a choice against the option of being miserable for the rest of my life cause I’m not who I am. And that’s that. Do I hurt anyone when I love someone? To all the haters and bigots out there; you can rant all you want– I’m happy living my life, not hurting anyone AND not making anyone wrong by shoving dogma down their throats. My sex was given to me when I was born– MALE. But my sexuality was chosen by me when I grew up and discovered myself. It’s a personal thing. Much like faith. My relationship with God is personal.

    • Anonymous

      Perhaps you think God is your Best Friend Forever, not your Creator, Lord and Savior.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        just_anotherperson…here you go again with your invisible, non-existent god!!!! I’ve been looking for you all over the forums here in Inquirer. I noticed i had the last say on that article about the RH bill!

      • Anonymous

        Hello to you too and good morning.

      • Anonymous

        I acknowledge him as my Creator. The Lord thing? It’s a very human trait used by monarchs at a time when the Church brainwashed old Europe, so they gave our Creator personification of Lord/King. God is beyond that. God is everything and nothing at the same time. Can you even fathom the whole truth about our Creator? When we were made in our Creator’s image it’s not because we were male or female– it’s because we are also creators by right and stewards of this Earth. You’re too old school, man. Stop judging your fellow human beings with your God complex.

      • Anonymous

        You are New Age, aren’t you? Don’t lie.

      • Anonymous

        my influences are mixed and I am happy to have read and absorbed the nice things about Taoism and other beliefs– and I never condemned them. I’m me. Not New Age not stereotype; I’m me. Lying? Why would I lie? But nevertheless, welcome to Earth. Millions of Homosexuals and Bisexuals here, old man. If I wake up tomorrow and stay gay, I’m fine with that. If you wake up tomorrow and stay a bigot; I’ve got news for you: our numbers grow by the day. so they’re your problem, not mine.

      • Anonymous

        I am not worried.  Cowards do not go to heaven.

        Anyway, good night and stay happy.

      • Anonymous

        So why are you running after cowards now? What’s up with making other people wrong? It’s such a trip to you~ Try looking at the mirror, maybe you can use your specialization in correcting to good use.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //I am not worried. Cowards do not go to heaven.//

        Heaven?..as you said “dream on”. Only in your head! When you die…fungus, earthworm and all sorts of scavenger critters will feast on you and then you’ll just turn into a mound of dirt. I don’t have a problem if that’s what you refer “heaven”!

  • Anonymous

    “This is alarming and it might change our society,”

    wala kaming nakikitang alarming diyan. at sa ngayon tunay na kailangan natin ang changa sa atin society.

    Morality is always relative and never absolute. Within the framework of our society, we chose our own, personal code of moral conduct.

    mas magaling kung isama sa bill ang same sex marriage.

  • Anonymous

    “Sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity”  , simply are no basis for discrimination and must be inclusive of the bill.

    The door is always open to a court ruling regarding same sex marriage whether the bill passes or not. The bill itself does not condone gay activity as the church would like to read into it…but is designed to prohibit discrimination or violence against such.

    The church should surely not expect the laws written for this country tailored to appease their vision of molding the population to their beliefs. This country is not 100% Catholic  and contains many faiths, all with different ideals.

    These laws exist already in the USA, Canada, Germany etc…were opposed by the church and their same argument was shot down by many courts.

    The Catholic church in the Philippines is already guilty of discrimination…. Divorce itself is not legal here but is in the USA. So if an American divorcee wants to reside here and marry a Filipino, the church will refuse to wed them. The government WILL legally marry them and that contract supersedes any power of the church. So we can deduce the government does run this country, not the church and that the church is acting in a discriminatory fashion in clear defiance and disrespect for the laws of this land. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    Religion is the ANTITHESIS to reason!!!! These haughty, child-molester, corrupt Mitshubishops always love to stick their noses on the state’s affairs! From the RH bill, to attempting to mediate SC and the President and now this! I don’t think they have the welfare of many as their priorities. Their allegiance is to the Vatican and not the Philippines. It’s time to tax the church or limit their power by doing what other European countries like France had done for a long time now. Confiscate their properties and use the money to help the poor.

  • Anonymous

    “The lawyer noted that under the bill, the priest who refused to officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed for 25 years.”
    I’m sure this is BS. The Catholic church has been know to lie even before the creation of the bible. In fact, you can make a quick research and you’d find that the pope didn’t want to translate the bible to a language people would understand. So for 1000years, it was only translated into Latin, biblical Hebrew, and ancient Greek. All dead languages that people no longer speak.

  • Anonymous

    Go CBCP. Stronger than ever! 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Judging from the responses of people in the many fora here, your CBCP has become a lame duck and irrelevant conference of senile, obstructionist, haughty, corrupt, child-molester men who has lost it’s credibility to alot of people. I have yet to see a positive comment about them except from one worded encourgament like yours who is likely church-send minion to say something in defense of a bunch of these white clothe-wearing hypocrites!!. The CBCP and the Catholic Church is the scourge of Filipino progress!!!

      • Anonymous

        To Noli, Well if you think the CBCP is a bunch of child molester men because of a few pedophile priests, then you should also think that Filipinos are a bunch of criminals because of a few convicts. Go CBCP! …RIP to RH.

        No to same sex marriage, abortion, incest, polygamy, embryonic stem cell research, mercy killing…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Please add rapist, womanizer( few priests in our diocese sired a child), meddler, corrupt Mitshubishops and hypocrites to that list!!! Few? Have you read the John Jay report (US)and the Cloyne report(Ireland)? Have u heard of the abuses in Germany, Austria, Belgium? One case even links your pope when he was still a cardinal in The Archdiocese of Munich-Freising. We don’t know anything about in the Philippines because we are all scared and embarrassed to bring it out in the open. But I doubt it never happened , just imagine from 1545 to 2011 i’m sure it happened. Pedophilia abuses don’t result in having a baby so evidence is not that obvious than when a priest impregnate a woman that results in pregnancy and having a baby that they cannot deny.

      • Anonymous

        Are you also a rapist then? Do you know the percentage of erring priests to the total number of priests. Then in your book, I should consider you a rapist Filipino because of hundreds of rapist out of the millions of Filipinos.

      • Anonymous

        You’re completely missing the point. The issue isn’t priests raping kids per se. The issue is that the Church spend obscene amounts of time and money hiding the offenders from the authorities, often by transferring them to different parishes, while not restricting their access to kids.

      • Anonymous

        To Antonio….Wait. The issue of this news article is the anti-discrimination bill. He-he-he. Who missed the point?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_43STDV225LPHKOFSXZPW2FVZO4 natz

        But abortion is illegal as clearly stipulated in the RH Bill. Try reading, first, if you do know how to. Oh and understand it too.

      • Anonymous

        I know what is says and I’ve read all the versions. You missed my point. We are stepping closer towards dangerous liberal ideas like abortion, incest, polygamy. We have to start solving the root cause of problems and not resort to “condom solutions” like RH that have problematic side effects. Even the US which is half liberal is starting to get nervous about the consequences. Yesterday, Plan B pill was prevented from being sold over the counter so kids as young as 12 will not have access to it. But extreme liberals and greedy pharmaceuticals will sooner or later win there and Plan B will be sold over the counter. We would reach that point too if we do not have CBCP.

      • Anonymous

        //We are stepping closer towards dangerous liberal ideas like abortion, incest, polygamy.//

        How ironic – marrying your cousin is considered legal in several states in the US’ bible belt region. And you’re saying this is a “liberal” idea?

        //We have to start solving the root cause of problems and not resort to
        “condom solutions” like RH that have problematic side effects.//

        And that’s why the bill pushes for comprehensive sex education, so that people will be able to make a more informed decision about their sex life that’s more than just choosing between condoms. Why are you against the bill?

      • Anonymous

        To Antonio….The US Bible Belt??? He-he-he. They are protestants so YES those are liberal people.

        “condom solutions” means panakip butas na lunas. Comprehensive sex education exposes the young especially the immature both to healthy and unhealthy or immoral possibilities. It’s like a drug that can attack bad cells but unfortunately will kill good cells. We need a solution that does not generate immorality which in turn would cause more social problems. Besides that, RH is incredibly too expensive. We could use the money to help prevent deaths due to calamities, or deaths due to vehicle and licensing problems, or deaths due to diseases, to improve our education system, to educate our children to become professionals, to generate more jobs, or to keep the peace and order, etcetera etcetera. There are more pressing problems but little money and time. So why are we going to throw loaned money into a bottomless pit?

      • http://www.progressph.blogspot.com Erik

        Clearly you have never been to the US.  The Southern states (the Bible Belt) are very conservative.  Many Protestants are conservative, but many others (like me) are liberal.

      • Anonymous

        Clearly I have never? he-he-he. Clearly you’re the one who’s never. I’ve been all over and I’ll be in FL next week to spend Christmas there. It’s a little too cold here. Do you even know where the most conservative people in the US are? That’s where I am now. Solid Republican state. Never blue and never a swing state.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        lol…ah you forgot to mention that it’s also the poorest in the union! Most conservative + the poorest state = Mississippi. Does that look similar to our current state to you? When you reply can you please make a quotation of my statement in your rejoinder..so that I know what you’re talking about? Thanks!

      • Anonymous

        @yahoo-CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY:disqus

        Mississippi also has among the highest incidences of teen births, STDs, and single mothers of all of the US States, even compared to other areas in the Bible Belt. Solid Republican indeed.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Isn’t that ironic that now you’re resisting incest and polygamy ….yet in your holy book it’s widely practiced!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3UZOAQ6YXZ7LV4AEKHDH6HDDCA Jeamergs

        are you referring to the koran?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Nope your old testament! Lot and his daughters. This is incest par excellence. – Gen 19:31-36. Abraham married his half sister Sarah – Gen 20: 12-13. Aaron’s and Moses’ father married his aunt – Exodus6:19-20, so Moses & Aaron had the option of calling their father – dad or first cousin. What a mess!!!. Ammon and Thamar- children of David basically Ammon raping Thamar his sister- II Samuel 13: 8-14. Jacob had 2 wives Leah and Rachel. Most famous of them all is Solomon who was supposed to have 700 wives and 300 concubines..whew!!! that’s the population of a whole ancient city. He literally had a different one every day of the year for 3 years without repeating anyone of them! lol…I never knew the ever-wise King Solomon is that prolific a husband…..now i don’t know if i believe all that but it’s in there I Kings 11:3 and alot more. Amazing you didn’t know you bible!!! Isn’t that disturbing to you??!! According to Bishop Bacani “kadiri!!”, yet you call this your holy book, the source of your morals! To me it’s more like the iron-age equivalent of a pornographic account of debuachery, wouldn’t you agree?

      • peach black

        ha ha ha Noli. . . kung mababasa mo pa ibang kasalaulaan sa Bibliya kikilabutan ka. God is portrayed as breathtakingly cruel, vengeful, petty, malicious and unreasonable. Now I know kung bakit ayaw pabasa sa akin ng lolo ko ang Bibliya no’ng bata pa ako. Paglaki ko na raw at meron na akong sapat na pangunawa. Now I know why he was trying to protect me from reading the Bible. Talagang punum-puno kasi siya ng kalupitan, kabastusan, kasalaulaan at lahat na ng karumal-dumal at kahindik-hindik na mga hangarin.

      • Anonymous

        Do you even understand my holy book? For you to understand, you have to read it and understand the reasons behind it. You can not just interpret it literally and start barking. I like the Philippines because it does not have these. Do you like incest, polygamy, and abortion too? Yes or No?

      • Anonymous

        //Do you even understand my holy book? For you to understand, you have to read it and understand the reasons behind it.//

        Yes, I read the bible. I also spend four years worth of my college life studying theology. Why do you think I left Catholicism?

      • Anonymous

        To An..to..nioooo. I don’t know you but I know everyone is free to join or leave. More people choose to be or stay as Catholics. Just this year in my parish, countless adults young and old have converted and baptized. Go CBCP!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        I have left a long time ago because of people like you! Religion is one of the most delusional constructs that has ever been deviced. It poisons people’s mind. It makes our perpective myopic and very narrow! It is a scourge to world peace and human progress!

      • Anonymous

        Oh. So you’re an atheist. For a while I thought you we’re taoist or buddist or saksi ni…, But anyway, he-he-he…when a person attacks the religious beliefs of another, it does not promote peace and human progress.

      • peach black

        like ko ulit ang kahibangan mo. WHEN A DELUSIONAL BELIEVER IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON OTHERS, IT DOES NOT PROMOTE PEACE AND HUMAN PROGRESS  because it clouds the mind.

      • Anonymous

        @ peach black. thank you. it’s free will for everyone. everyone is free to choose. the CBCP influences but never imposes. …oh…and we never attack…because we take the higher ground and stay positive towards others. Go CBCP! Stronger than evvvverrrr! :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vicente-Boticol/100002674898219 Vicente Boticol

        Please furnish a copy of your messages to Antonio to APOLLO QUIBOLOY in Davao City and be enlightened about the Old Testament verses and passages regarding homosexuality. Are you working for Bishop Arturo M. Bastes SVD, the Bishop of Sorsogon who is the PRIMUS INTER PARES of all LGBTs?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Here’re a few example of incest, rape and polygamy that is found in your holy book. Lot and his daughters. This is incest par excellence. – Gen 19:31-36. Abraham married his half sister Sarah – Gen 20: 12-13. Aaron’s and Moses’ father married his aunt – Exodus6:19-20, so Moses & Aaron had the option of calling their father – dad or first cousin. What a mess!!!. Ammon and Thamar- children of David basically Ammon raping Thamar his sister- II Samuel 13: 8-14. Jacob had 2 wives Leah and Rachel. Most famous of them all is Solomon who was supposed to have 700 wives and 300 concubines..whew!!! that’s the population of an entire ancient city.!!! Hugh Hefner would be green with envy!!! I don’t know if that’s a wise decision on his part though but he literally had a different one every day of the year for 3 years without repeating anyone of them! lol…I never knew the ever-wise King Solomon was that prolific a husband…..now i don’t know if i believe all that but it’s in there I Kings 11:3 and alot more. Amazing you didn’t know you bible!!! Isn’t that disturbing to you??!! According to Bishop Bacani “kadiri!!”, yet you call this your holy book, the source of your morals! To me it’s more like the iron-age equivalent of a pornographic account of debuachery, wouldn’t you agree? Any sane modern human being would find any of these arrangements abhorent. So my answer to your question is a resounding NO!!!! But you guys insists of  using this book as the source of your morals! Now…..go figure!!!

      • Anonymous

        To Noli…He-he-he….Oh, the Old Testament. The ways of the old do not apply anymore. Do you know that there is a New Testament? Do you know about the Vatican II doctrines. Are you one of those who still dwell on the past? So, I understand now that you are neither a Jew, Muslim, Christian or a Catholic. But since your answer is NO to incest and polygamy, that’s good enough for me. Same-sex marriage is in the same category. If you want to attack the Catholic Church, eat your heart out. ….pfffttt…He-he-he…the Catholic Church is only going stronger than ever. Father Tentorio was killed in Mindanao. Is that going to weaken his cause for the indigenous people? No, it just makes it even stronger.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        If you guys really don’t believe on the old testament anymore…why are u not discarding them or putting them in museum vaults? I don’t believe that you guys are ignoring what’s in the old testament anymore. In fact most of the bible passages included in the 1st reading in the liturgy of the word are taken from there, albiet you  pick and choose only what you wanna hear because it sounds good. How ironic to talk about who adheres to the past. I think I know of one…the religion that’s ran from a city-state called the Vatican. Fight we will…until you guys find your proper spot in the Filipino society. Stick to your church affairs and don’t legislate your dogmas to the secular society! If you guys can do that…we will leave you alone and we can live side by side without bothering what the other one does. I didn’t have problem with Father Tentorio..I think he was an honorable man who had genuine concerns for the oppressed and the poor. He lived among them.He should be the role model for your corrupt bishops. Only delusional mind believe that catholicism is as stronger than ever. The 85% filipino catholics that you like to claim are just that a mere statistics. Those are not really the practicing fanatics that you like them to be. And please look beyond the shores of our island country. Have you seen the state of the church in Spain,France, Ireland, Germany, Austria, US. Most of the european churches are empty most days of the week. Only a handful old folks goes to church on Sundays. Now you guys are concentrating on your evangelization to Africa coz those people are plentiful and still naive. They can easily be brainwashed through their empty stomachs.

      • Anonymous

        To Noli…Why don;t we throw away all the history books….he-he-he…Father Tentorio supported the bishops and the Catholic Church 100%. So you see, you like Father Tentorio. How do you know Father Tentorio? Because of the media and because he was killed. Noli, there are tens of thousands of priest doing as hard as or even harder than Father Tentorio and they do not even have recognition but they don’t mind. You and I don’t know them. 

        I went to Church in Europe, India, Hongkong, Japan, US, They were all full. Those which are not full has too many mass schedules in Saturdays and Sundays to accomodate people with different available times. The US CIA World Factbook puts the Roman Catholic Church as the largest religion and still growing. I’ll put the link later.

        By the way, thanks for liking Father Tentorio. It’s like liking tens of thousands of priests and bishops and lay Catholic people. Go CBCP!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Well kudos to those hard working priests just like Fr.Tentorio who prefer to work quietly in the sidelines. Those are the same people that everyone wish to supplant these holier than thou, closed minded pope, cardinals and bishops! If you guys don’t bring your church stance to the fore in concert with the modern times and continue to cling to old-age, bigoted dogmas, there’s a very high likelihood that those will lead to it’s down fall and maybe even extinction…your church will just become a short passage in history books ! You see… wars don’t start until one party tries to exert it’s dominance and control over the other. When it tries to enforce it’s doctrines on others who do not share the same, the other side retaliates. And that is how wars ensue. Any church or faith ..not just the catholic church should respect the inviolable separation of the church and the state stated in the constitution. This is violated when members of the legaslative branch tries to make laws that seemingly has the national interest in mind but are instead catering to a particular religious dogma. In other words our lawmakers should learn how to separate their religious beliefs from what is called for the national interest. Otherwise if they cannnot do that then they should be voted out of office. I will try to find the link on 2 videos from PBS (Public Broacasting System) series:Religion and Ethics talking about the state of the church in Ireland and another one on Frances’ Laicite concept of French secularism.

      • peach black

        @ superpilipinas
        like ko ang kahibangan mo. it’s either you are lying or you are deluded, slow, dumb, dense or all of the above. CATHOLICISM is dying. alam yan ng Vatican. ORGANIZED RELIGION for all its hypocrisy and bigotry has become IRRELEVANT.

      • Anonymous

        @ peach black. thank you, thank you, and thank you. dying? he-he-he. 1.67 billion in 2008. 1.8 billion in 2009. This year, the Episcopal Church is returning to Catholicism. If that’s your meaning of dying, then Ok…I’m soooo happy to be slow, dumb, dense, lying, denuded, and what else. By the way, we grow because we thrive on negative attacks. Go CBCP! Yooohooo! :)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        If I were you I would not be complacent and take comfort on these figures in of themselves. Numbers are decieving sometimes. This doesn’t give you much information more than these numbers. If the sentiments in the many fora here is an indication of the general sentiments of the public, then you probably already realize that not many people are on your side.

      • Anonymous

        He-he-he. You don’t understand. I’m not a good Catholic and that is why I am here. Good Catholics are much better than me, they have much better things to do.

      • antonioluna

        the truth is RCC was might and powerful that was during 16th century today they have lost the sword, the only tihng that keeps them hanging is because of fanatics, if you can see the trend it took almost 400 years and maybe another 400 years then RCC will be just part of history and will be considered as the greatest deceit of all times.

      • Anonymous

        Homosexuality is found in over 450 species.
        Homophobia is found in only one.

        Which one seems unnatural now ?

        Homophobia is a personality disorder.
        Homosexuality as a sexual orientation is not.

        Please check your scientific facts.
        It is not fair to equate paedophilia to homosexuality nor call it a mental dis-order.
        That would be gross mis-information reeking with bigotry.

      • antonioluna

        asexual reproduction is not being gay, those species were created as they are.
        gross mis information would  be to accept being homo as normal. biblically, logically and physically it is abnormal, it is a mental disorder when you are in fact a man but acting like a lady, it is all in the mind, when your mind is defeated by your urge then your mind is lacking.

      • Anonymous

        Check your scientific facts
        antonioluna,

        I understand that is your opinion only and not backed by valid scientific evidence. Whatever unvalidated belief suits you for your self alone, good for you.

        With your explanation it is quite clear and safe to infer that you are indeed a creationist and a judgmental  narrow-minded bigot.

        It would be quite impossible to have a logical and rational conversation with you.

        You can use some good hard reality check on yourself on what is logical and what is abnormal.

        So, goodbye,this conversation is over.

        Live and let live.

      • antonioluna

        you keep on saying check scientific findings but the science itself is clear that human male is different from female and there is no in between with these two genders.
        go on just call me a narrow minded bigot just because you are gay, a mentally distorted human being.
        reality says there are only two human gender, male and female.

        in science magnets with the same polarity will repel each other, that’s plain and simple, man engage in sex for pleasure but the union of two human being is not limited to pleasure but to create another human being, logically that is how penis and vagina are designed and it is both logic and science.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Again, who would believe you?… but your own religious fanatic horde, who has a limited knowledge about human sexuality! Who are you to give treatise on homosexuality that it is a mental disorder when the whole world-wide scientific and medical community all agree that it is NOT. What professional capacity do you have to make those claims? Who would I believe you or them? And just look at how elementary your reasoning is..comparing sexuality to magnets..an inanimate object. LOL..you’re pathetic. And who are you to say that it’s only for procreation? There maybe other reasons why it sprouted in our evolutionary history…maybe so that not everyone with reproductive organs sire children. Can you imagine if each one of us has children? This world would be more densely populated than what we are now! But you guys stick to the procreative purpose only because that’s what your holy tome says! You can eat your bible!!! NOT everyone believes in that iron-age novel and fairytale.

      • Anonymous

        //you keep on saying check scientific findings but the science itself is
        clear that human male is different from female and there is no in
        between with these two genders.//

        Science also tells us that over 450 species of animals exhibit homosexual behavior. When was the last time you touched a biology book?

      • antonioluna

        are you comparing human intelligence to an animal?we are on top of all animals, you are saying that if this phenomenon is happening to lower species then it is also applicable to us, do they have wisdom as humans?

      • Anonymous

        //are you comparing human intelligence to an animal?//

        Flip-flopping are we? I was addressing your argument that gays are not natural because there are no gay animals in the natural world. I cited that you premise is false by noting that animals that exhibit homosexual behavior.

        What is naturally occuring, and us saying whether it’s “Wrong” or not are two different matters.

      • antonioluna

        don’t get me wrong, my point is we humans have wisdom, we have the knowledge of right or wrong, normal or abnormal, we do not act like the sub species.

      • Anonymous

        //don’t get me wrong, my point is we humans have wisdom, we have the
        knowledge of right or wrong, normal or abnormal, we do not act like the
        sub species.//

        And we, as a species, have begun to recognize that homosexuality is an acceptable part of the human identity, and that discriminating against it is wrong. Unless you live in Africa, or a theocracy.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Wow antonioluna….I am curious what kind of profession you do!? Do you belong to the famous family of painters? Your blanket statement is grossly misinformed! It’s scathing and bordering bigotry. If the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association and the whole of worldwide scientific and medical organizations all agree that homosexuality is not a personality disorder and hence not even listed in the current DSM IV-TR, what do you have to say against all these professional organizations? You against all of them!!! The only basis of your emotional opinion is based on your personal observation and conjecture! You appear to look at the world as exclusively polar opposites, only black and white. Do you realize that there’re more grays and lots of variations in between than just those 2 colors? When you say man acting like a lady..shows how ignorant is your perception. Not all male homosexuals want and do act like those. Now the attraction to same male is there but the physical appearance outside does not necessarily what makes a man or a woman homosexual. Again homosexuality is a continuum. It comes in many different variations from the very macho type ( who you would not be able to tell they like other guys) to the very effiminate (maybe the kind that you sadly despise) type. Illogical maybe because it doesn’t make sense to you due to limited knowledge perhaps?.One evolutionary biological theory that is floated out there to explain it’s occurence is that it confers some survival advantage on the offspring of the homosexual’s siblings. To put it in concrete example..these are just like your spinsters Tio’s and Tia’s who never married yet helped in the household chores, give you some money ,help take care of their nephews and nieces and even help send them to school. In the end the whole family become succesful. These behavior are also observed in certain bird species!!! The fact that being homosexual is not a choice it’s not “all in the mind” that you like it to appear! If that’s the case why do you think people would bother of doing it when there are other easy choices. What kind of a sane person would love to be ostracized? To go through a painful process of hiding their true sexuality before they finally come out? NO one!!! So you cannot just give an impassioned opinion sounding like it’s the truth coz you’ve never been there!!!

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Noli, the truth of the matter is that this whole homosexual discrimination bill is about marriage licenses! In my profession, I know gays and lesbians who are very productive in their chosen field so I don’t think it has anything to do with being discriminated from employment. I see many gays and lesbians all around holding hands etc.. we look but that is it. My favorite cousin is gay and he is against this for simple reasons of wanting to be left alone and being private about his sexual orientations. He says it just doesn’t make sense why LGBT’s want to get married the way hetero’s do because he says, the homosexual lifestyle is nothing like the heterosexual lifestyle. Maybe it’s just him.

        If the intent is to prevent hate-crimes against LGBT’s then lobby the government for stronger laws against violence. In fact I find it demeaning that many shows in our country feature gays and cross-dressers as entertainment and yet, instead of lobbying the entertainment industry against this practice, you encourage it by saying it should be part of the norm.What kind of logic is that? WE were up in arms about child abuse when Willi did a stunt on TV and yet you guys are silent over the stunts done on gay people by these same shows. Why i wonder is it because the LGBT lifestyle is really separate from the norm, is ti really unusual that people really want to poke fun at it? I wonder. Did you think for one minute that if the anti-discriminatory bill is passed, the LGBT’s would become more accepted in society? I think it will create such polarization that any cases brought to justice would only end up making lawyers rich. Imagine a cross-dressig  person who wants to work for a bank, how many banks would actually hire a cross-dresser and allow him to do so? He will end up hiding the act too! I personally think that a scarier scenario will happen that once you guys start coming out of the closet thinking this bill will help you, more crazy people will come out and harass you. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Again you’re jumping to a conclusion that is not even included in the provisions of this bill. You assume that it will lead to issuance of marriage licenses..how? This is not even about gay marriage! The clause that you guys are reeling from and want taken out is basically about not using some sexual orientation as an excuse to fire someone from work. And to make sure that no one get killed, assaulted and verbally abused because of the person’s sexual orientation. That’s it!!! What’s so cataclysmic about that? If you want to fire some gay employee you hate, you’re free do so and can use other excuses as you hearts desire other than the person’s sexual orientaton. By the way your cousin does not represent the will of the whole LGBT community. Maybe  he is as brainwashed as you are that he is having an ambivalence about himself. That’s his own prerogative if he wants to be miserable the rest of  his life for not sharing it with someone else. Now I don’t know about what’s going on in the entertainment industry..I don’t watch those kinda shows, therefore I cannot make any comment about those. Why are you so scared of gays? What did they do to you? I hope no gay had assulted  you before. They are people just like you are with emotions, who has family, who work and have sexual needs and longing for intimacy. If the only reason that you despise and hate them it’s becuase that is what’s written in some sacred book you subscribe to. Then you are entitled to that belief but you cannot influence and demand our legislators to bend to your wishes because your religion said so. I don’t think enactment of these laws will adversely affect your life drastically. On the other hand, lots of lives will be spared from violence and discrimination at work based solely on their sexual orientation

      • Ricardo Boncan

        “And to make sure that no one get killed, assaulted and verbally abused because of the person’s sexual orientation. That’s it!!! What’s so cataclysmic about that? If you want to fire some gay employee you hate, you’re free do so and can use other excuses as you hearts desire other than the person’s sexual orientaton.”
        You mean to tell me that at present to assault or kill a homosexual is not a crime? You mean to tell me our labor laws allow a person to be fired solely based on his sexual orientation? If an employer fires an incompetent LGBT, you mean that right away you suspect that it has something to do with orientation? Isn’t that being a bit paranoid? 

        “Why are you so scared of gays? What did they do to you? I hope no gay had assulted  you before. They are people just like you are with emotions, who has family, who work and have sexual needs and longing for intimacy”

        Scared of gays? What part of my reply did I ever indicate that? I mentioned my openly gay cousin is one of my best cousins, how is that being scared of gays?

        “If the only reason that you despise and hate them it’s becuase that is what’s written in some sacred book you subscribe to. Then you are entitled to that belief but you cannot influence and demand our legislators to bend to your wishes because your religion said so.”

        Stop getting so emo over this, I never once brought up the bible. You have not addressed any of questions how can one have a rational argument over this? I guess I can’t.

      • Anonymous

        ricardo, do you believe that the LGBT community chooses to be different?
        do you condone discriminating anyone based on one trait they have that they cannot change?

      • Ricardo Boncan

        No I dont’ condone violence towards anyone. But I also do not believe that people with rational minds cannot change or at least recognize that they can cope with this kind of behavior constructively. But that is not even my point, my point is that with the existing laws, isn’t there enough protection for those marginalized in our society? If not then shouldn’t we be lobbying for specific amendments to these laws? The way i see it is that the lawmakers of this country’s intention for finally passing this law is to make the LGBT shut up. That is cruel. Why are these people not lobbying against the single biggest entity that insults the LGBT, the entertainment industry. 

      • Anonymous

        okay. so what harm would it do if this bill does get approved?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //I personally think that a SCARIER scenario will happen that once you guys start coming out of the closet thinking this bill will help you, more crazy people will come out and harass you.//  Here’s your statement about why I ask ..why you’re scared of gays!  You never once mentioned the bible but based on your tone you’re some religious nut jobs mascarading as rational, neutral person when in fact you’re one of the minions of the catholic church. Now I recogonize you when I visited the Filipino Free Thinker website. You use your first name initial there but same last name. And always argue about God issue there. So you cannot say this has nothing to do with your catholic faith!!

      • Ricardo Boncan

        I am a Catholic I would never hide that fact but I have never used the argument from scripture nor from the teachings of the faith. The people running the FFS are liars and fabricators not to mention toilet mouths.  At any rate instead of attacking who I am, like they do, why not deal with what I have said so far regarding the issues. You always just hit on my being Catholic or my being this or that or fearing this or that but never once answered my questions. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        The funny thing is they exactly think the same about you!. And you catholics are known for that. Now I don’t know about toilet mouths..I think those people are too educated to go low to be using profanities to hurl at someone in a civil discourse. You however just a few threads down….already called someone a freaking baboon and idiots! So what do u expect people’s response to be?

      • Ricardo Boncan

        “The funny thing is they exactly think the same about you!.”
        Well I care not what thy think of me but one thing is clear, they have not even answered my point by point expose of their video of lies about the Church and they have refused to do so. I have addressed their  questions squarely and honestly what they like to insist it that my sources are liars. Sheesh

         “And you catholics are known for that. ”

        Now now, false generalization you don;t want to get into that do you?

        “Now I don’t know about toilet mouths..I think those people are too educated to go low to be using profanities to hurl at someone in a civil discourse.You however just a few threads down….already called someone a freaking baboon and idiots!”
        Perhaps idiot was a bit harsh and i do apologize but the fellow was insisting on an issue even after I pointed it out that he was in all respects wrong. Regarding the baboon, I didn’t call him a baboon, I asked him if he was one given what he implied that humans cannot make choices, quoting his condescension: “wow being gay is a choice? i didn’t know sexuality worked like that.”

        So naturally i had to ask him if he was an animal who went by instincts. What is wrong with that. You took offense at it because you misunderstood my response.

      • antonioluna

        when everybody says being gay is not a choice and they accept it is the norms because you all accept it as it is but you failed to see that acceptance made it spread however if the world refuse to do so and made a move to control and eliminate this disease i don’t think it would have gotten in this country, everybody can be gay if they think they are but not all of us had ever thought of that.

        a gay whether a cross dresser or not is acting like a lady in his own way secretly or open.

        you asked what kind of crazy person would love to be ostracized, the answer is already there read again, because if you have missed it you wrote the word “crazy” and as i have mentioned it is a mental disorder, a gay already knew the rejections and humiliations he has to suffer but the uncontrollable urge is there, being gay is the start of all rejections because you reject that you are a man not a woman because you refuse to accept that you are man but keep thinking that you are a woman.

        most societies have accepted third sex because it is easier than finding the root cause and cure for this illness

      • Anonymous

        bading ka, ‘no? umamin ka na, te. :D

      • antonioluna

        echos, huwag kang nakikisali sa balitaktakan ng mga malalalim mag isip mahihirapan ka lang ang gawin mo kung bakla ka man maghanap ka na lang ng machuchurva mo

      • james relativo

        stop referring to homosexuality as an illness. please, have some respect.

        PS: I’m a Catholic.

      • antonioluna

        having a different opinion is a sign of disrespect?where did you learn that?
        do you only refer to an illness as harmful or anything that could kill you?
        being gay is an illness because it alters personality, it destroys personality.

      • Anonymous

        //being gay is an illness because it alters personality, it destroys personality.//

        The American Psychological Association, along with the Center for Disease Control, have stopped identifying homosexuality as a mental disorder more than 30 years ago.

        But do you know what is a mental disorder? Being homophobic ;)

        If you’re going to try making baseless assumptions like that, I suggest that you do your homework.

      • antonioluna

        you said they stopped identifying third sex as a mental disorder-it means they too believed it was, however not all scientific endeavors were a success and so they stopped but there’ll be time for new discovery and that would make them have a new start in dealing with this illness.

      • Anonymous

        //you said they stopped identifying third sex as a mental disorder-it
        means they too believed it was,//

        You’re referring to the past tense. I’m referring to present tense – they CURRENTLY do not recognize it as a mental illness.

        They stopped identifying it because the body of research they had made
        them realize that classifying it as a mental disorder was wrong and
        inaccurate, Much in the same way that society has realized that segregation and slavery are unacceptable practices.

        //however not all scientific endeavors
        were a success and so they stopped but there’ll be time for new
        discovery and that would make them have a new start in dealing with this
        illness.//

        And unless you have a time machine, all you’re making is baseless conjecture.

      • antonioluna

        that is tantamount to saying that cancer will be incurable forever, this is true because our antibodies failed to see that cancer cells are their enemies also when authorities stopped seeing homosexuality as an illness the chance of finding a cure and prevention were also lost therefore it has now spread around the world in an amazing rate.

      • Anonymous

        //that is tantamount to saying that cancer will be incurable forever, this
        is true because our antibodies failed to see that cancer cells are
        their enemies also when authorities stopped seeing homosexuality as an
        illness the chance of finding a cure and prevention were also lost
        therefore it has now spread around the world in an amazing rate.//

        Did you really just try to compare homosexuality with cancer? I rest my case.

      • antonioluna

        you missed my point but ok let’s stop from here

      • Anonymous

        //you said they stopped identifying third sex as a mental disorder-it means they too believed it was,//

        That’s the nature of the scientific method – if a theory or law is found to be flawed based on recent evidence gathered, it’s supposed to be revised to accomodate the new data. It’s a continually self-correcting process.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

         How do you think should the world have eliminated this “disease”? Only you guys want to call it a disease or a mental disorder and nobody else!!! So there’s nothing to treat. PERIOD. End of story! Now there are fringe, nut job psychologists who subscribe to the same crazy theory just like yours, that it can be prayed over! But that is not endorsed by the mainstream psychiatric and psychological communities. In fact it does more harm than good to the person.

      • antonioluna

        don’t get me wrong noli, i’m not a religious fanatic, religious fanatics are incapable of reasoning, they don’t have a thought of their own, please read my first post in this thread, my point is simple being gay is only in the mind, however since third sex is widely accepted nobody would dare try to find out the root cause of this abnormal phenomena, while my opinion is different from yours i don’t disrespect them i mingle with them with full civility and for those other posters who call me names just because my opinion doesn’t conform with theirs isn’t that a clear manifestation of mental disorder, if being gay stops your rational reasoning then my opinion is true.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Hahaha…antonio…you’re rambling..some of them don’t make sense either! So if you think it’s a disorder, why would anyone not bother finding the cause…because finding a root cause of a disease or disorder is the way to finding a cure or treatment. That’s how actually drugs are developed. Scientists try to understand how a disease develop and when they figure that out..then they can develop a form of treatment or medicine. Won’t drug companies not jump into the band wagon like flies? Coz that’s how they make money. They invest alot on research on alot of different disease. But no one is doing it…because as I already told you the whole world pretty much agree that homosexuality is not a personality disorder. So there’s nothing to treat.

      • antonioluna

        rambling? you just thought of me as RCC fanatic i just corrected it,finding the root cause for this illness is not economical, as i have mentioned this is widely accepted so why bother correcting it, plus being a gay nowadays makes the economy, you can easily get a job being a gay than being straight, you can be a movies star when you’re a gay, when everybody loves being a gay i just couldn’t imagine what this world would be

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Hahahahahahahaha LMAO!!!! Antonio..you’re a hoot!!! Did you eat lunch already? Coz if you haven’t you better go get something to eat! :-)

      • antonioluna

        well as they say, its the thought that counts hehehe

      • Anonymous

        //plus being a gay nowadays makes the economy, you can easily get a job
        being a gay than being straight, you can be a movies star when you’re a
        gay,//

        Just because RP showbiz has people like Vice Ganda doesn’t mean that gay discrimination doesn’t happen to other people. Vice himself talks about how he was discriminated against when he was younger.

      • Anonymous

        // my point is simple being gay is only in the mind, however since third
        sex is widely accepted nobody would dare try to find out the root cause
        of this abnormal phenomena, while my opinion is different from yours i
        don’t disrespect them i mingle with them with full civility and for
        those other posters who call me names just because my opinion doesn’t
        conform with theirs isn’t that a clear manifestation of mental disorder,
        if being gay stops your rational reasoning then my opinion is true.//

        There is no hard and fast answer for why somebody is gay. One’s genetics and one’s environment both play a part in helping shape one’s sexual orientation. However, the scientific community does agree that gay conversion therapy is not only ineffective, but potentiall harmful to the people undergoing them.

      • antonioluna

        i do not suggest any kind of treatment as it is out of my grasp, but i do agree with you that once you are already in that state it cannot be reversed, by restudying it they could somehow find some preventions.

      • Anonymous

        //most societies have accepted third sex because it is easier than finding the root cause and cure for this illness//

        Actually, several countries have answered the call to “cure” homosexuality. Nigeria, Rwanda, Uganda, Iran, and North Korea to name a few. Why not live there if you think RP is becoming too tolerant for your tastes?

      • antonioluna

        don’t read me wrong, while i believe that it is an illness i do not discriminate third sex, i do not despise them, my opinion is this, biblically GOD created man and a woman, there’s no third sex, it is also illogical to think that when GOD created somebody there was a mistake, by looks when you have a penis you are a man then can two human beings procreate when they have the same sex, that is defying the nature

      • Anonymous

        //don’t read me wrong, while i believe that it is an illness i do
        not discriminate third sex, i do not despise them, my opinion is this,
        biblically GOD created man and a woman, there’s no third sex,//

        What you believe is entirely different from what we see in reality – I’ve already cited that homosexuality occurs in the natural world. Ergo, it is god’s doing if we follow your own logic. And as much as you’d like to “believe” that it’s a mental illness, the current consensus in medical community is that it’s not. It’s your word against that of trained doctors and scientists, my friend.

        //it is also illogical to think that when GOD created somebody there was a mistake,//

        Once again, following your logic, if gays are born, why would they be a “mistake”?

        //by looks when you have a penis you are a man then can two human beings
        procreate when they have the same sex, that is defying the nature//

        And who died and made you the authority on what is “natural” and what isn’t? Last I checked, religion is purely a man-made construct, meaning that everything you’ve stated – since it’s derived from your understanding of god – is unnatural.

      • antonioluna

        you are trying to eliminate references, thus, you are now asking what is natural and what is not, but then again you yourself is always referring to findings of this and that and you are now saying that when a baby boy is born he is already a gay hehehe

      • Anonymous

        // thus, you are now asking what is natural and what is not, but then
        again you yourself is always referring to findings of this and that and
        you are now saying that when a baby boy is born he is already a gay
        hehehe//

        Well duh. It wouldn’t be gay unless the baby is biologically male. And speaking of which, there is a body of research that does show evidence that one’s genes do play a role. Quoting the SPLC:

        “Modern science cannot state conclusively what causes sexual orientation,
        but a great many studies suggest that it is the result of biological
        and environmental forces, not a personal “choice.” One of the more
        recent is a 2008 Swedish study of twins (the world’s largest twin study)
        that appeared in The Archives of Sexual Behavior and concluded that
        “[h]omosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random
        environmental factors.” Dr. Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading
        scientist on human sexual orientation, said: “This study puts cold water
        on any concerns that we are looking for a single ‘gay gene’ or a single
        environmental variable which could be used to ‘select out’
        homosexuality — the factors which influence sexual orientation are
        complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here —
        heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and
        environmental factors.”

      • antonioluna

        it is quite obvious that you are avoiding references that is detrimental to your perspective, to you bible which tells history and logic is nothing but a man made and on the other side you are fond of mentioning scientific findings that simply comply with your likings, this findings are also man made, you are reluctant to whatever doesn’t conform with third sex, that includes the bible, and at the same time you are sympathetic to those findings that homosexuality is not an illness, as i have mentioned cancer progresses and kills because our antibodies failed to see them as an illness, just like third sex has spread and will someday kill the very nature of being a man and a woman. 

      • Anonymous

        Hahahahaha..antonioluna..you again? Try to maybe write your ideas in bullet format coz it’s all over the place. It’s very hard to follow! Seriously! :-)

      • antonioluna

        bear with it, its my style

      • Anonymous

        //it is quite obvious that you are avoiding references that is detrimental
        to your perspective, to you bible which tells history and logic is
        nothing but a man made and on the other side you are fond of mentioning
        scientific findings that simply comply with your likings, this findings
        are also man made,//

        Honey, science work because it demands evidence at every step of the research process. The Bible is just a story book.

        //you are reluctant to whatever doesn’t conform with third sex, that
        includes the bible, and at the same time you are sympathetic to those
        findings that homosexuality is not an illness,//

        Well, it’s not. What is there to argue about.

        //as i have mentioned
        cancer progresses and kills because our antibodies failed to see them as
        an illness, just like third sex has spread and will someday kill the
        very nature of being a man and a woman.//

        And here we are again going over cancer. Do you even know how cancer works? And do you have any hard evidence to back up your fantastical claim? Or am I just wasting my time talking to a religiotard who has less common sense than my dinner table?

      • antonioluna

        Honey, science work because it demands evidence at every step of the research process. The Bible is just a story book. – its been around for ages, and for you to ask proof for this book, it is now your turn to use your time machine.

        And here we are again going over cancer. Do you even know how cancer
        works? And do you have any hard evidence to back up your fantastical
        claim? Or am I just wasting my time talking to a religiotard who has
        less common sense than my dinner table? – so now you don’t have a basic idea about cancer, why don’t you search the net.

      • Anonymous

        You’re the one making the fantastical analogy between cancer and homosexuality, laddie.

      • Anonymous

        // its been around for ages, and for you to ask proof for this book, it is now your turn to use your time machine.//

        Why? You’re the one who insists that we show it the same level of validity as a scientific study, despite the fact that you have yet to back up its claims with hard evidence.

        No, my friend, the burden of proof of proving the bible is your burden to bear. Don’t shift the weight to the one questioning your claim.

      • antonioluna

        No, my friend, the burden of proof of proving the bible is your burden
        to bear. Don’t shift the weight to the one questioning your claim. – you want proof from more than 2000 years ago?

      • Anonymous

        //you want proof from more than 2000 years ago?// 

        Anecdotal statements from a book that’s been heavily edited and re-translated for over 2000 years doesn’t make for solid evidence.

      • Anonymous

        //by looks when you have a penis you are a man then can two human beings
        procreate when they have the same sex, that is defying the nature//

        You’re also working under the false assumption that the only reason that people have sex is to procreate. There are various reasons that people bed one another, including the need for pleasure, companionship, and for helping solidify the bonds of love. None of these reasons for having sex are necessarily concerned with the need to have kids.

      • Caleb_A

        Stop using the term “third sex.”  It shows how little you actually know.  I think you mean to say “third gender,” which is the correct term.  Sex is biological, gender is fluid and cultural. 

        Gay men and lesbians are neither a third sex nor a third gender.  Transgender people could, however, be considered a third gender.  The only truly third sex would be intersex individuals – those born with both male and female chromosomes and/or mixed genitalia, i.e. those who used to be called hermaphrodites.

        It may be helpful for you to learn the terminology, that’s all.

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Homosexuality in animals is not the homosexuality we find in humans. The theories in animal “homosexual” behavior are: Showing dominance within a group or due to mating confusion driven by instinct where there are a lack of females as the instinct to mate is very strong in animals for certain periods. Now if we equivocate this behavior to humans then you are in effect saying that we should act like the 450 species of animals. Then let’s also allow infanticide, abandonment, killing off or exiling our elderly and treat each other as competitors in society because that is why animals act that way. Someone who is against homosexual behavior or granting marriage to same-sex couples is erroneously labelled homophobe by people like you because you seem determined to prove that anyone who thinks that homosexual behavior is wrong is a neurotic when in fact to label people sweepingly is a sign of paranoia and neurosis. 

      • Anonymous

        Check your scientific facts again,Ricardo Boncan.

        And with reference to your statement on ‘infanticide ‘, etcetera, if you are a christian, refer to your bible , in its pages, the religious does all those horrible things . . ., now don’t cherry pick its pages…. read the whole book.

        By the way, aren’t humans part of the animal kingdom ? That makes the human species animals, don’t you think ? What did you think we are ? Some kind of plant ? Maybe you need some kind of paradigm shift?

        Erroneously labeled by people like me? sweepingly? sign of paranoia and neurosis? read my comments again and calm your clouded emotions as you digest what it meant.

        Not a homophobe, not a bigot ?
        Discriminating a sector of society in an anti- discrimination bill ?
        So what do you call someone who is strongly against homosexual behaviour and same sex marriage ? When it does not coerce anyone to have homosexual relations against their will ?

        A closet case suffering from cognitive dissonance ?

        What profession are you in Ricardo Boncan?
        Just for example , How would it be to you if someone would be strongly against your becoming a dentist and stops you in every angle – if dentistry is what you love?

        Why don’t you just live and let live?

        If you don’t want to marry someone of the same sex, then don’t.
        And let those who want, do.

        It is their bodies and their own lives and their happiness.
        Not yours.

        Why don’t you also get for yourself one hard reality check.
        So now, how do you label yourself ?

        Goodbye and have a pleasant day.

      • Anonymous

        He-he-he. It is the largest Religion. Read US CIA World Factbook. Read encyclopedias. It’s still growing by tens of millions every year. Go CBCP!

      • antonioluna

        i believe that is true because one of your teachings is to go and multiply until you die, to have as many children without realizing their needs.here in pinas 80 percent of population is poor that make sense because 80 percent is also catholic, i just couldn’t help thinking that if this 80 percent die simultaneously out of hunger then there’ll be no more catholic in pinas.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Dude you’re making my head hurt!!! Tagalogin mo na lang kaya!!! Baka maintindihan pa kitang mabuti!!!

      • antonioluna

        is it the grammar or the idea that is unfathomable to you?sorry i am using french keyboard

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Both!!!………LOL…..I didn’t know French and English keyboards has that much of a difference in letters. I thought the only difference is that letter c with an s at the bottom! I am just curious…how old are you if I may ask?

      • Anonymous

        It’s easy to brag about numbers when your church indoctrinates infants before they’re capable of making that decision form themselves. Though I can’t blame you – anybody who’s done his share of research in the RCC today would be hard-pressed to join.

        Maybe if you offered a free toaster?

      • http://twitter.com/rzfortajada Rz Fortajada

        Do you even have valid reasons for objecting to same sex marriage and stem cell research? Or are saying that just because the Church said so?

      • Anonymous

        I started to believe from the time I was able to read that marriage is between a man and a woman. Although I have a gay brother and cousin and uncle and aunt, I still believe that. I believe that there are other stem cell research better than embryonic. For example, using the umbilical chord instead of embryos.

      • jefferson

        who cares about your belief since the time you’re able to read? stupid logic. :)

      • peach black

        nagmarunong ka na namang hangal ka. embryonic stem cells are considered first-grade, untainted stem cells much prized by research-scientists as against other sources. 

  • Anonymous

    Choice? You idiots! Was it your choice when you have intercourse with the opposite sex? Or was it something natural? If its a choice then logically you can still choose to have intercourse with the same sex! Unless you are bisexual it is not a choice! How stupid this lawyers and bishops can be?
    I hope one of these days some of these bishops will get arrested for crimes against children and women. These are the parasites of the world! They are nothing but moochers!

  • Anonymous

    LOL, “The bill would hinder the Church from teaching what it believed to be right or wrong”? Mr. Imbong, do you even know what religious freedom means? Because just about everything you and your dear CBCP have said is the entire opposite of it.

    You and your ilk have always twisted the interpretation of a lot of teachings, terms, etc. in favor of yourselves and to put yourselves in a good light. I can only think of one term to describe you: spin doctors.

  • Anonymous

    OPRAH for POPE!!

  • Anonymous

    Wonder why they selected gays?  Women would be the clear choice as the Church clearly discriminates against women –  probably as they see it more acceptable to bully gays.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

    The protection the law is asking for is what Jesus gave the adulteress whom the people were about to stone.

  • Anonymous

    Si Padre Damaso naman, pakunwari pa, eh naglalaway rin yan sa mga boys. Kung tutuusin, advantageous sa kanila yung bill.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Gusto ni Penoy yan – same sex marriage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Penoy and Abad? Or Penoy and Lacierda? ….Penoy and Piolo kaya?

  • Anonymous

    REMINDER TO CBCP : YOUR RELIGION IS NOT MY GOVERNMENT.

    This  is not a theocratic country.
    Keep your superstitions, dubious morals and bronze age rules OUT of our laws.

    THE PHILIPPINES IS A SECULAR COUNTRY.

    I am a citizen of this secular country.
    I am not part of your religion.
    you want to impose on me and others who do not subscribe to your religion.

    WE DEMAND FREEDOM FROM YOUR RELIGION.

     How dare you CBCP presume that I’m christian!
    How dare you presume that I’m catholic!

    HOW DARE YOU DISCRIMINATE IN AN ANTI-DISCRIMINATION BILL!

  • http://theguywithablog.blogspot.com/ Guy With A Blog

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony

  • Anonymous

    Disgusting. Fist and foremost, being gay or lesbian isn’t a choice. If
    being gay was a choice, please let me ask; When did you decide you were
    straight? Secondly, I’m sick and tired of how far behind we are. Your
    ideals are too outdated and as long as you keep imposing them on a state
    that wishes to grow, we will never do so. “which our country doesn’t
    allow”, my god, speak for your self. That’s it. /ragequitting this country

  • http://twitter.com/Precious0228 Precious V.

    if they can legalized divorce first i will agree to this

  • Anonymous

    as far as I remember, there is a scientific explanation regarding third sexes, I think imbalances of the x and y chromosomes (correct me if im wrong)?

    So to say that these are by choice is plain stupid.

    I’m still waiting for the day this hypocritical governing body gets abolished.

    • Anonymous

      THE ALL KNOWING AND ALMIGHTY GOD CREATED ONLY: ADAM & EVE,  AND NOT ADAM & STEVE, OK?  AS CLEAR AS A NOONDAY SUN, HE, HE, HE!

      • Anonymous

        Tapos diba, anak nila si Cain saka Abel? San nanggaling yung mga babae? Kung may kapatid nga silang babae ibig sabihin para dumami ang mga tao ay?

        Incest? Napaka-moral nga naman… tsk tsk tsk…

      • Anonymous

        //THE ALL KNOWING AND ALMIGHTY GOD CREATED ONLY: ADAM & EVE,  AND NOT ADAM & STEVE, OK? //

        And who cares what your God says.

      • Anonymous

        //THE ALL KNOWING AND ALMIGHTY GOD CREATED ONLY: ADAM & EVE,  AND NOT ADAM & STEVE, OK//

        The Almighty God also created more than 450 species of animals that exhibit homosexual behavior. That’s plenty of Adams and Steves, from where I’m standing.

  • http://twitter.com/marielitams Mariel K Asiddao

    this anti-discrimination bill seeks to give equal rights to all regardless of age, gender, disability. you have to look at it in the context not just in same sex marriage. to show an example, any company cannot discriminate against a person not to accept their application for a job just for being gay. the company may enforce dress codes (as their own policies apply), but just because someone is gay does not mean one cannot be considered for a position. (same goes for job promotion, for gays/lesbians seeking to apply in the military, for gays/lesbians to go to school, to vote, to have the right to express their own opinions). just because the bill seeks to provide equal rights does not mean it promotes same sex marriage. 

    this reaction from CBCP is EXACTLY the kind of discrimination we are trying to prevent–just because they are gay we are limiting their rights? what kind of an all-loving, all-encompassing God are they praying to anyway?

  • Anonymous

    SCRAP THE WHOLE BILL, THE STRONG LOBBY AND MONEY COME FROM THE “LESBIAN, HOMOSEXUAL, PERVERTS, TRANSEXUALS, SODOMIST, BESTIALS,  ETC”, THEY ARE SELLING THE COUNTRY TO THESE PERVERTS IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,  THE OLD MEN IN THE SENATE HAVE GONE PERVERTED AND APPROVED THE BILL, TSK, TSK, TSK!

    • Anonymous

      Akalain mong nadescribe mo ang CBCP? Hahaha.

    • Malaine Mejias

      Why do you equate perverts, sodomists, bestials, etc to the LGBT community? That’s not fair. Obviously napakaraming mga ganyan sa mga indi part ng LGBT community. Don’t be stupid.

    • Anonymous

      A little tip, cupcake: Speaking in all caps doesn’t make you sound any more mature. It makes you sound like a KSP and an imbecile.

  • Anonymous

    //He said the Catholic church, which would not officiate same sex marriages, might be punished if the bill became law.//

    Pop quiz to the CBCP: Why would gays want to be married at a church that hates them in the first place?

    • Malaine Mejias

      ahahahaha! True!

  • Anonymous

    Until this lawyer cites the actual incident, he doesn’t have a case.

  • Malaine Mejias

    Grabe. Such bigotry. And you’re supposed to unify the people and love one another. Grabe. Sometimes I feel ashamed of being a catholic because of this especially the bishops, etc. Ayayay!

  • Louis de Pointe du Lac

    “This is alarming and it might change our society,” Reyes said.
    Sorry to burst your bubble sir but our society has already changed. We, the Filipino people, are no longer the pushovers the Church once knew. Gone are the days when the pulpit was the authority of the land. As a Christian, I can no longer tolerate this discrimination by the Catholic Church against some of our brothers and sisters in our society. THIS NEEDS TO STOP. I say, sign the bill in its entirety!

    • Anonymous

      //“This is alarming and it might change our society,” Reyes said.//

      The South said almost exactly the same thing when the US criminalized slavery, and when eliminated racial segregation.

      Reyes is just scared that under the new laws, bigots like him won’t have anything to cower behind anymore.

  • Anonymous

    The freedom to be happy with yourself a choice or not should never be punished the problem with the CBCP is that they still refuse to acknowlage that they are in fact the promoter of gay rights, gay live in relationship as well as priest  child molesters .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    If that’s all what they’re worried about that they’ll be fined and put to prison if they refuse to officiate same sex marriage, which I don’t think is even included in this bill in the first place, why don’t we make a compromise and add a clause that will guarantee no one will be fined and put to prison if they don’t wanna have to do with same sex marriage. Period and end of story! Let’s see if they’ll come up with some other excuses! If they still do..shut them out!

  • http://twitter.com/j3anthony03 Anthony Co

    STUPID MUCH? there is a freedom of religion, and a religion can be allowed to not allow same sex marriages cause its THEIR RELIGION, they are free to do so, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID CBCP
    Article II, Section 6: The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable.Article III, Section 5: No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION OR PREFERENCE, shall forever be allowed. NO RELIGIOUS TESTS SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE EXERCISE OF CIVIL OR POLITICAL RIGHTS.

  • Anonymous

    What the CBCP is doing is in accordance with their solemn works as priest of the living God. They should be supported instead of being ridiculed because they are just informing as of the words of God that perverts (bakla, tomboy, phedophile and etc) can’t enter the Kingdom of God. Kindly read the book on Revelation Chapter 21:7 and Chapter 22:14.

    Christians should be thankful for they want these perverts to reform and be saved. Their act is analogous to saving a person about to commit suicide.

    • http://twitter.com/jasp25 Jasper

      It’s sad you read a book that is based on stories than science books. Grab a biology book once in a while and educatate yourself :) More and more scientific studies support that being gay is a product of genetics. Read up, and educate yourself! :) – and don’t push your unsubstantiated beliefs to other people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Wow luzviminda88….thanks for your concern….and NO thanks!!! Not everyone believes in your deity! You’re quoting an ancient book written some 2000 years ago by a bunch of uneducated, desert nomads who thinks eating pork is a sin, believed that diseases are punishment from god, who practiced slavery, genocide,incest and treated their women like chattels! I’m sure you also believe that a piece of wafer changes into the body of christ after saying some prayer. Amazing…i’m certain you’re an educated woman and yet remain so gullible! By the way, how do you know god is living? Have u seen him/her/it? Did he/she/it talk to you? Please let us know!

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know where you got the idea that being LGBT is the definition of being a pervert… so are heterosexuals who rape and commit sex offenses not perverts?

    • Anonymous

      If it’s true that your god has planned everything before your birth, then he planned damnation for the homo’s? That’s a really loving and just god you have there… 

    • Louis de Pointe du Lac

      “Bakla” and “tomboy” are perverts? And you even mentioned them in the same breath as pedophiles. What if one of your loved ones is “bakla” or “tomboy”, would you still have the temerity to call them perverts?
      To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.,
      “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

      @luzviminda88 obey your bible. NOW SHUT UP WOMAN!
      Kindly read the book on Timothy 2:12

      if you are hot and a virgin can i rape you for 50 sheckles?
      Deuteronomy 22:28-29

      just goes to show how your bible loves gays as much as women. i suggest you read the whole thing before quoting it. you will be experiencing foot-in-mouth disease for sure.

    • Anonymous

      are you living under a rock, Luzviminda88 ? It’s 2012 and Science has made discoveries of leaps and bounds declaring that homosexuality is a preference not a behavior. There’re pleasant heterosexuals and there are perverted heterosexuals– so goes that there are wholesome homosexuals and there are perverted ones too. Now in your case, there are kind Catholics/Christians out there and there are over imposing narrow minded zealots like you. I’m fine with being gay coz I accept me for me. You, on the other hand, have  big problem because our numbers keep growing while you keep hating. I pray a cancer doesn’t grow in you due to daily stress of living in a planet thriving with homosexuals.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

        w33k3nd3r,
         science actually find homos as mentally retarded…not a preference.In fact, there is an ongoing psychiatric therapy treatment for them available in U.S.

      • Mary Daganzo

        That was decades ago. Homosexuality is not an illness. Review latest scientific journals.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //science actually find homos as mentally retarded…not a preference.In fact, there is an ongoing psychiatric therapy treatment for them available in U.S.//

        Only endorsed by some quack, nut job psychologists who believe that homosexuality can be prayed over! Those practitioners are in the fringes and are shunned by professional organizations! One such example is the husband of the crazy US presidential candidate Michelle Bachman. His name is Marcus Bachman..and the funny thing about this guy is he is as gay as the day is long!!! Check him out on You Tube and listen to the way he speaks and acts..he’s the flamboyant kind (not that there’s something wrong about that) yet he offers such therapy for homosexuality in his clinic. This is deception and hypocrisy at its best!

      • http://twitter.com/natnatskie Nathelle Lumabad

        I wonder which era you’re living in right now. Or which book/”scientific research” you’re basing these claims on. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        He probably read it from a moldy, psychology book published in the 50’s when homosexuality was still listed in the DSM.

    • Anonymous

      //What the CBCP is doing is in accordance with their solemn works as priest of the living God.//

      If they’re trying to act in accordance with God’s will, why aren’t they putting gays to death then? The book of Leviticus was very clear on that.

  • Anonymous

    Is there a petition I could sign to eradicate the CBCP? lol.

  • Anonymous

    READ THIS – “When legislation
    in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the
    first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a MORAL
    DUTY to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against
    it.” Positions of Catholic Politicians with Regard to
    Legislation in favor of Homosexual Unions. Document written by then
    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI. The Sovereign Pontiff
    John Paul II, in the Audience of March 28, 2003, approved the present
    Considerations, adopted in the Ordinary Session of this Congregation.
    source: http://couragephilippines.blogspot.com/2011/07/on-same-sex-marriage.html

    • Anonymous

      //”When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the
      first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a MORAL
      DUTY to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against
      it.”//

      In short, the CBCP gets a free pass to be bigots under the premise of “religious belief.” Not a problem, because under the clause of free speech, everybody with common sense can also call them out for their rubbish.

  • http://twitter.com/jasp25 Jasper

    Church should not have a place in social policy making of a democratic government.  The Philippines is a democratic country, not a theocratic country.  Religion is what is holding back the development of societies and countries.  Don’t you see it? The more religious a country is, the more behindd they are economically than countries that are less religious. 

    • Anonymous

      I don’t see some Middle Eastern countries as being economically behind, though… being religious is not the problem. Trying to force a religious belief on a secular issue is a problem.

  • Anonymous

    we are planning an “Occupy CBCP”
    If interested look for the FB page – Pass House Bill 1483 (Anti-Discrimination Bill) in Philippine Congress Now!

    • Anonymous

      I am interested

      • Anonymous

        Please send your info at leapstick@yahoo.com for more info about the ‘Occupy’ events

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJI2Z2FHWPDILMGUJK5R3VOWFI Frank

    progress comes from being willing to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes. We need to ask ourselves, “How would it feel if it were a crime to love the person I love? How would it feel to be discriminated against for something about myself that I cannot change?” This challenge applies to all of us as we reflect upon deeply held beliefs, as we work to embrace tolerance and respect for the dignity of all persons, and as we engage humbly with those with whom we disagree in the hope of creating greater understanding.

    – Secretary Hillary Clinton

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      Frank,
      Hillary is a politician and a politician is colored black or white…and not even one priests says that same sex marriage is a crime?…

  • http://twitter.com/dennis1016 dennis gregorio

    magbayad muna kayo ng tax!

  • Anonymous

    Judas regretted his betrayal of Christ just before he hanged himself. If that’s not repentance, I don’t know what is.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJI2Z2FHWPDILMGUJK5R3VOWFI Frank

      hi, just checking where you’re going with this?

  • Anonymous

    Funnily enough Christianity as we know it today IS a Western invention.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJI2Z2FHWPDILMGUJK5R3VOWFI Frank

    REALLY? You actually believe in that story??? Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause too? Awwww, poor thing. I bet you also believe that the EARTH is the center of the Universe huh?

    • Anonymous

      //Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause too?//

      NOOOOO! Santa and the Tooth Fairy aren’t real???

  • Anonymous

    THEN FROCK ALL YOUR HOMOSEXUAL PRIESTS….AND RAPISTS…AND OTHERS WHO HAVE “KULASISI”…..  ONE OF THE REASONS WE STILL HAVE A LOT THAT WANTS TO BE A PRIEST IS, IT’S THEIR ONLY WAY OUT FROM HERE….HOW MANY PRIESTS DO WE HAVE OVERSEAS?  THE UNITED STATES IS ONE OF THE MANY THAT ARE RECRUITING PRIESTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE VERY FEW AMERICAN WANTS TO BE A PRIEST ANYMORE……WHY CAN’T PRIESTS GET MARRIED LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS?   DAHIL MABABAWASAN ANG IPINAPADALA SO ROMA AT ANG MGA KAPRITSO NG MGA OBISPO…..TINGNAN NINYO….SINO ANG KUMIKITA NA HINDI NAGTRATRABAHO???  MGA OBISPO….PAUPO-UPO LANG NA PARANG HARI….I SHOULD KNOW…..MY UNCLE WAS A PRIEST….,WHEN I WAS YOUNG, HE USED TO TAKE ME WITH HIM TO THE ARCHBISHOP’S PALACE TO BRING HIS “CONTRIBUTION” TO THE ARCHDIOCESE….I’LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW…IF PRIESTS ARE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED, SAY, LIKE THE PROTESTANTS’ MINISTERS, OR IGLESIA IN CRISTO….YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN PRIESTHOOD….

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      4kingdaddy,

      dre, galing kami dyan INC member…pilitan dyan magbigay ng 10% income at ayaw pang pakain ang dinugo-an…kaya kami umalis dahil si Manalo lang ang nakikinabang at higit sa lahat ang sarap ng dinugo-an!!! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

    DAMASO SALOT NG LIPUNAN – since 1887

  • Anonymous

    So, CBCP, people CHOOSE to be murdered, abused, correctively raped, fired from their jobs, etc? Just so we’re clear on what IS right and moral to the Church.

  • http://twitter.com/bluefairyguy rexandre delos reyes

    @luzviminda88:disqus  …You hypocrite! It is that kind of thinking like yours that made some of us turn away from the teachings of the Catholic church. We believe in God and we know the difference between good, evil, right and wrong…  and we are not as dumb as you! 
    Do tell your selfsame to clean up first your backyard before judging other people, you hear? And oh, please, do the most pious thing… or do you know what that really means? I have doubts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B7V7GQXC6PMBBI3TCLPINJ3XBA nula e

    Imbong’s comments are typical of someone who holds deep-seated prejudices against people with diverse sexuality or gender. Gay people don’t choose their sexuality any more than Imbong chose his sexuality. We simply don’t have a choice – it’s an innate, natural, human thing to be same-sex attracted. 
    Categorising everyone who doesn’t fit the “norm” into a so-called “third sex” – this is a MYTH – there’s no such thing as a third sex and many Filipinos need to adjust their brains on this. I lived in the Philippines for a few years and I saw MANY DIFFERENT sexualities and genders, not 3 sexes. Every human being fits somewhere on a spectrum of gender and sexuality – no ONE PERSON is even the same on such things. Diversity is everywhere – people and society simply ARE diverse. That’s what Imbong does not understand, and it’s truly sad. I feel pity for him and the CBCP.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RN3EHY3SCRMN7QVRCE2M7WCLRM arvinchester

    Imbong is another one of those moronic and ignorant lawyer who does not have a slightest idea of  what he is saying. It is no wonder that a lot of catholics are leaving and/or losing faith with the church. 

    I long to see the time when the Catholic church can be led again by another Cardinal Sin……

  • Tonton

    Catholicism discriminates against women and homosexuals. Bigay mo pa katas ni mama OFW sa Vatican, sige pa. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      huh???

  • Anonymous

    @luzviminda88:disqus
    I eat ate sugpo and alimasag for dinner. Does that mean you’re gonna kill me now?

    “But all in the seas or the rivers that do not have fins or scales, all that
    move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they shall
    be an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:10)

    I also insulted my mom by accidentally calling her fat. When’s a good time for my dad to kill me?
    “For everyone who curses his mother or father shall be put to death. He has
    cursed his mother or father and his blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)

    By all means, quote more bible passages. You’re digging your own hole.

    • Anonymous

      gud as the bible says. the good will keep on doing good while the evil will keep on doing evil. kung wala kang tiwala sa diyos , well that’s ur life not mine

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        So back off and mind your own business! You pray to your old, bearded man hiding behind the clouds while the rest of us mind our own business! It’s not for you Catholic Talibans to impose your beliefs on others who do not share the same beliefs!

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

        “the rest of us?” ilan ba kayo dyan? kaya pala ang daming beki sa atin !!!
        huwag mong kalimutan ‘yong sinabi mong “old bearded man hiding the clouds”
        kamukha yan sa bearded microphone behind underwear na madalas nilalaro ng mga beki!!!

  • Anonymous

    The issue here is not just same sex marriage but societal approval for homosexual acts.

    All those that engage in aberrant sexual behavior are bothered by their conscience, otherwise why would they care what other people say.  The sad thing is you think that if society approves, your conscience will leave you alone, but that will not be the case.

    The only answer that will move society away from the acceptance of homosexuality and thus same-sex ‘marriage’ is – caritas in veritate – or love in truth.  It is not love to allow your children to rampantly misbehave without correcting them.  And the truth is that homosexual acts are perilous to the body, and especially to the soul. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      //The issue here is not just same sex marriage but societal approval for homosexual acts//.
      Society actually could care less, only you fanatic nutjobs are the bigoted ones who refuse to recognize it.

      //All those that engage in aberrant sexual behavior are bothered by their conscience//

      Speak for yourself!!! Why would gays and lesbians be bothered by their conscience if that’s what they’re happy with? Are you a homosexual..what made you say that? And how is homosexuality perilous to one’s body and soul..if there’s even such a thing as a soul!

      .

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

        just_another moron strikes again haha

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

        noli,
         it is dangerous to the body, HIV cases all time high from gays.One reason, why use other microphone if he has one, I mean its bad to use other thing while you have your own thing.Ang lumalabas sa puwet ay marumi e bakit doon isinubo?yuak !!!
        …a person without soul have no conscience,a person without conscience is retarded!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

        Gay sex does not have the monopoly on HIV and heterosexual sex does not guarantee you’re not going to contract it.  Your stupidity and ignorance are astounding

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

        anonymous,
         I think you were not able to get the point, I said high percentage and that is based on
        statistical studies in the U.S..and by the way, another scientific studies says, being gay is a result of mental retardation and can be treated thru psychiatric therapy…

      • Anonymous

        “being gay is a result of mental retardation and can be treated thru psychiatric therapy”

        citation needed

      • Anonymous

        Maybe you are retarded! Have some respect on others

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

        @yahoo-J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI:disqus  You’re wrong again.  research and studies show that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. I have responded to your previous post regarding this with links to the American Psychological Association but apparently posting links on threads are moderated. So I’ll just let you google “sexual orientation and homosexuality american psychological association” and click the first link on the result page. To quote
        Q: Is homosexuality a mental disorder?
        A: No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

        So any claims to have been “cured” of homosexuality is a fallacy.  Get your facts straight.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //it is dangerous to the body, HIV cases all time high from gays.One reason, why use other microphone if he has one, I mean its bad to use other thing while you have your own thing.Ang lumalabas sa puwet ay marumi e bakit doon isinubo?yuak !!!//

        And you thought HIV is exclusively a disease of the homosexuals? What about before HIV even showed up in the 80’s. And you thought heterosexuals don’t do those same acts? Dreamn on!!! The fact that you yourself even know about it…likely have done it before!

        //a person without soul have no conscience,a person without conscience is retarded!!!// what you call a soul..is merely your brain at work and alive. Once your EEG goes flat line…it ceases to exist and you’re dead!!! No spirit goes anywhere as you like it to think and that which you had been preparing for most of your adult, miserable life. Only to end up as food for earthworms and plant fertilizer. You catholics love to capitalize on this soul business…you guys even used to sell indulgences so that someone could go to heaven. Even today one has to pay the priests to have a mass said for your dead relatives. P100 per dead relative! Imagine if you have a big family, it could easily reach more than a P1000. This pricing is from a poor, little island town. I wonder what it cost in the big city like Manila. It’s a money making business. Your church is a scrupulous manipulator of gullible minds and a power hungry,control-freak!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        By your limited logic…if soul is a requesite to conscience; are you saying that people who commit heinous crime have no “souls”? and people who have down syndrome have no “soul”? Think about that!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

      Do you honestly think priests and bishops have any conscience when they rape children and protect rapists. hypocrite.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      //The only answer that will move society away from the acceptance of homosexuality and thus same-sex ‘marriage’ is – caritas in veritate – or love in truth//
      Actually what will move society away from accepting homosexuality are you friggin’ liars..your love for making up things and twisting facts!!!

    • Anonymous

      //The only answer that will move society away from the acceptance of
      homosexuality and thus same-sex ‘marriage’ is – caritas in veritate – or
      love in truth.  It is not love to allow your children to rampantly
      misbehave without correcting them.//

      Please, how is love and tolerance for homosexuality in any way similar to misbehavior? It’s not love either to be bigots, but your side will stop at nothing to deny gays their basic rights. Your religion tried to criminalize gay marriage when it supported Proposition 8, and again when its preachers influenced Uganda’s Kill the Gays bill.

      And yet you claim that the RCC doesn’t condone actions against gays? You fool nobody with your tripe.

      You are a bloody liar.

      //And the truth is that homosexual acts are perilous to the body, and especially to the soul.//

      And do you have any hard facts to back up your claims? The sad truth is that virtually every “scientific study” that bigots like you bring up are either declared quack science by the medical community, or were distortions of otherwise honest research from other groups.

  • Anonymous

    If you believe that Satan created u not God di bahala ka buhay mo yan no. Kaya pala si kurakot ang bos mo

    • Anonymous

      He’s your president too ;)

  • Anonymous

    tama yan gloria magnanakaw. masarap daw manirahan sa piling ng mga demonyo

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Hahaha..why do you think I like Gloria…..isn’t she in cahoot with those corrupt Mitshubishops?

    • Anonymous

      PGMA, you mean the prez who bribed the CBCP so they’d keep quiet?

  • Anonymous

    Your stand is wrong the CBCP isn’t limiting the right of the perverts but only teaching them that they can’t enter the kingdom of God as God and Christ said in revelation Chapters 21 & 22. Kindly read to understand

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

      we can brag we read the whole bible can you? which is why we cannot take it seriously.

      so yes we read and we understand and we are not gullible enough to believe everything written, you poor deluded fundy. Keep on cherry picking.

      Clear sign of fundamentalism: You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.

      shall we play bible quote wars, just to show how ignorant you are?

      lol troll or real hard to tell. but either way its hilarious.

    • Anonymous

      //Your stand is wrong the CBCP isn’t limiting the right of the perverts
      but only teaching them that they can’t enter the kingdom of God as God
      and Christ said in revelation Chapters 21 & 22//

      luz, if heaven is going to be filled with self-righteous bigots like you, why would truly good men and women ever want to enter it. Keep your heaven.

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/Ny2N7BwPi5vEifC6dayK3JTD0T__uQ--#852cd Kat

      Luzviminda.. nagtext si God.. ikaw daw ang hindi makakapasok sa kingdom kasi judgmental ka.. ‘rights of the perverts’.. ano naman ang perverse sa pagiging bakla.. mas perverse yata yung sobrang dumi ng isip niyo tungkol sa kapwa nyo to the point na hindi nyo na sila tinitignan bilang tao. Mwahugzzz

    • Anonymous

      @luzviminda88
      Please shut up. You have no right to teach us men anything and your only role here in the world is to have children. If you don’t believe me, let me quote your favorite book…the bible.

      10Women who claim to love God should do helpful things for others, 11and they should learn by being quiet and paying attention. 12They should be silent and not be allowed to teach or to tell men what to do. 13After all, Adam was created before Eve, 14and the man Adam wasn’t the one who was fooled. It was the woman Eve who was completely fooled and sinned. 15But women will be saved by having children, [a] if they stay faithful, loving, holy, and modest. (1 Timothy 2:10-15)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

        yes luz obey the bible and STFU. and Thats NEW TESTAMENT!

  • http://twitter.com/alesandrodiaz alesandro diaz

    I have never heard of so much bullshit before.  Well the catholic faith is bullshit so what are we really expecting?  

    • Anonymous

      That’s why it’s called the Papal Bull ;)

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      alesandro,

      we expect no “same sex marriage” at manigas kayong mga beki???

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/Ny2N7BwPi5vEifC6dayK3JTD0T__uQ--#852cd Kat

    Well how do you know na ‘homosexual acts are perilous to the body’ and the soul.. na-try mo na ba? :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

    It is violation of human rights when people are beaten or killed because of their sexual orientation, or because they do not conform to cultural norms about how men and women should look or behave. It is a violation of human rights when governments declare it illegal to be gay, or allow those who harm gay people to go unpunished. It is a violation of human rights when lesbian or transgendered women are subjected to so-called corrective rape, or forcibly subjected to hormone treatments, or when people are murdered after public calls for violence toward gays, or when they are forced to flee their nations and seek asylum in other lands to save their lives. And it is a violation of human rights when life-saving care is withheld from people because they are gay, or equal access to justice is denied to people because they are gay, or public spaces are out of bounds to people because they are gay. No matter what we look like, where we come from, or who we are, we are all equally entitled to our human rights and dignity.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      anonymous,

      you forgot to mention “same sex marriage?” is it covered by human rights ?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

        Since you are so stupid and ignorant, let me educate you on the universal declaration of human rights”

        The United Nations Charter “reaffirmed faith in fundamental human rights, and dignity and worth of the human person” and committed all member states to promote “universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.
        That’s where the bill is coming from – protection from bigotry, hatred, discrimination, intolerance regardless of SEX! 

  • Anonymous

    //Your stand is wrong the CBCP isn’t limiting the right of the perverts
    but only teaching them that they can’t enter the kingdom of God as God
    and Christ said in revelation Chapters 21 & 22//

    You have yet to explain how homosexuality is in any way more “perverted” than heterosexuality. Use only scientific studies to back up your claims – attempting to quote mine your favorite fairy tail will be addressed with pointing and laughing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

    hey guys whats worse, being gay or condoning raping children in the name of God?

    • Anonymous

      @Vincent
      It’s an unfair question. Being gay is no less than being straight. Imagine asking: “what’s worse, being straight or condoning raping children in the name of God?”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

        @Dennis Caba
        I guess you haven’t gotten the joke. or have heard about the church sex abuse and rape scandals then? Google has 5million+ entries on that and its very own wiki article.

        I find gays ok as any other heterosexuals. i find people who condone rapists to be some of the most despicable beings on earth, heres looking at you Ratzy!.

        so what right does a bunch of pedophiles to say what is an abomination? hayz i really shouldnt need to explain the joke.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry. I just got your joke after reading your other comments. But you must understand that I was reading some discriminatory comments here and then I stumble upon your comment so I was like, “Are you serious??” 

        You should have written *sarcasm* or something at the end of it. LOL

      • http://twitter.com/bluefairyguy rexandre delos reyes

        …being a Luzviminda88! :D

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

        good point, whats worse than rapists? someone worshiping them.

    • http://twitter.com/bluefairyguy rexandre delos reyes

      …being a Luzviminda88! :D

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      Vincent,

      the worst is to have a name after the Saint..Vincent???

  • Mary Honeylyn Joy Alipio

    third sex??? so we have 1st and 2nd sex? who’s at the 1st and 2nd?

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      Mary Honey,

      1st sex, 2nd sex and 3rd sex si Kris ang tinutukoy nila…0 sex,si Pnoy yon !!! 

  • Anonymous

    Is there a URL/link to this bill? I want to read it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

    google Senate Bill 2814 first on the list.

    • Anonymous

      I found it. It’s actually Senate Bill No. 2995 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ACT (AN ACT PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY AND PROVIDING PENALTIES THEREFOR)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FN3D4W6RMVV7LI6ORL3YUZOBSY Vincent

        ooh nice read it haha if you are bigoted and deny basic rights to any gender you can get
        1)  community  service  in  terms  of human  rights  education 
        2) up to 500,000 fine
        3) imprisonment for up to 6 years.

        tsk no wonder the katolibans are worried.

      • Anonymous

        The misinformation campaign just started. “The priest who refused to officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed for 25 years.”…is a total BS. There is no clause in that bill that would criminalize priest even for discriminating gay people because of the separation of church & state “thingy” in the constitution. And how can they officiate same sex marriages if it isn’t even allowed in the Philippines?

        FYI, the bill they want included in SBN 2814 is SBN-2995 by Sen.Revilla, Jr. Must read…check out the senate’s website.

  • corin arenas

    This is the most ironic thing I’ve heard all day. For a law that is clearly being passed to protect humans of this nation from all forms of discrimination, the very act to limit it already makes this bill a discriminating one. 

    Where is compassion and human understanding in all this? Circumvent the law and it doesn’t apply to members of the LGBT community (which by the way are human beings too)? Regardless of whether homosexuality is a choice or not, isn’t having a religion a choice in itself? I can’t… I just can’t. I’m so sick and tired of all this bigotry. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    lol…luzviminda and just_another person scrammed! They’re no where to be found! I am going to bed!

  • Anonymous

    According to the senate’s website, Senate Bill 2814 is [SBN-2814: Judiciary Reorganization Act (Dipolog City, Zamboanga Del Norte)] http://www.senate.gov.ph/lis/bill_res.aspx?congress=14&q=SBN-2814 
    Does anyone know the real senate bill no.?

  • http://twitter.com/PINOYBUTTERFLY A. D. Macaldo

    Jo Imbong said the LGBT (lesbians, gays,
    bisexuals, transgender) should not be considered the same as the
    elderly, the handicapped, and the poor.

    “These people are disadvantaged not by their own choice. But the
    third sex, they choose this. How can you give protection to a choice
    like that?” TARANTADO!

    • http://twitter.com/lilmissemerald Emerald Ridao

      You know what’s a choice? Religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B7V7GQXC6PMBBI3TCLPINJ3XBA nula e

    DEAR CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE of the PHILIPPINES: 
    I tried your theory. I tried fighting ‘the choice’ by having short relationships with women. It didn’t work. Here’s the scoop why: Every time we were intimate, I felt guilty. Guilty because I could feel that my heart was not completely with their’s at the time. This was wrong. Why?Because to me, the cruelest thing I could do, was disallow them to be free by trying to feel ‘normal’ by enforcing and practicing your ‘choice’. How selfish a human being would I have been by potentially destroying a woman’s life for years and years by making her live through false love as a result of your ‘choice’.

    You are right though. I did make a choice. The choice to be true to myself so I can love freely and love with reality so I didn’t destroy lives …but nurtured one now for 14 years. With a male. Love as a destructor or love as a nurturer? I picked the right one. That’s the reality of your ‘choice’.

  • Anonymous

    There is so much hypocrisy in the catholic church. While there are gay bishops, homosexual priests and nuns, it prefers to hide skeletons in their closets. By making it difficult for LGBT people to be equal members of society, with God-given rights, these bishops priests and their well-paid lawyers violate human rights and are committing sins against God. They have clung to the medieval times and refuse to accept the fact that LGBT have rights that must be protected. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      mahirap mag-sing-a-long kung nakaposteso ang ipin!!!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

    i expect the President to get married as soon as the bill “same sex marriage” is pass.Piolo better be happy too bad for KC !!!

  • che real

    It’s so insensitive to say that the LGBTs are disadvantaged by their own choice. I think that anybody who is deprived did not choose to be in that situation. Secondly, they should be careful in saying that the bill violates religious freedom since for me, they are the ones who actually appear to be violating the freedom of others. Homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, and part of that rights is the civil right to be married. Likewise, I think that the Church is just afraid that the bill may make people doubt or question the “laws” or “beliefs” that they impose to the society. And btw, what happened to the “unconditional love” of God that you always talk about? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

    People opposing this bill should try to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and ask themselves: “How would it feel if it were a crime to love the person I love?” “How would it feel to be discriminated against for something about myself that I cannot change?”

  • Anonymous

    The gay community won’t be bullied by the Catholic Bishops –  That has been the experience in the rest of the world, and bigoted Bishops will suffer.  Bullying and prejudice has a very short life span.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z4NB2Z3JSRPDRM3FSDQPYHG2BA Kashmir

    rodger66, your grammar is wrong and senseless.. and so are your arguments

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

    di kayo pwedeng pumasok doon may naka-abang na puke para sa mga bakla at titi para sa mga tomboy…ayaw nyo yan di ba?

  • Anonymous

    The copy of SB 2814 available in the Senate website hasn’t been updated to include the clause about sexual identity, but, assuming no other amendments have been included, there don’t seem to be any portions that would “hinder the Church from teaching what it believed to be right or wrong”. The law specifies what can be considered acts of discrimination anyway, and nowhere does it say that exclusion from a religious organization would be considered discriminatory. Heck, there isn’t even any mention about same-sex marriage! So I’m not really sure where the CBCP is coming from — again, unless their copy of SB 2814 does, in fact, contain such provisions.

  • Anonymous

    same sex marriage…hinahayaan na ngang gawin ang nais basta discreet, nais pang ibuyangyang sa madla at gawing legal. Papaano na ang pagtuturo sa mga bata ng kung ano ang tama at mali? 

    • Jinky Torres

      sino bang nagsabing mali ang magmahal ng kapareha ng kasarian? simbahan? hindi lahat ng tao dito Katoliko dude. 

      • Anonymous

        Kahit pagbaligtarin mo pa ang mga relihiyon mo, mali pa rin iyon makipag-talik ka sa kapwa mo kasarian.
        Sa Katoliko man, Protestante, Islam, Buddhist, Hinduism, Judaism…
        Kung nais mong gawin ang ganito, gawin mo ng hindi ka nangangalandakan sa madla. Magbigay naman kayo ng kaunting dignidad sa sarili ninyo, dude!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

      @Patas:disqus  i find it easier to explain to my kids homosexuality: some men like women; some women like men; and some men like men and some women like women. what’s harder to explain is the hate and the homophobia of other people – why some people hate others for choosing the person they truly love regardless of gender

    • Anonymous

      So mali ang pagiging homo? e pano kung bata palang gay or lesbian na? Will you deprive them from being true to themselves or being happy?.. matatalino na mga bata ngayon. They know what’s right and what’s wrong. And its not because of gender.

    • Anonymous

      Ano ba ang tama? Yung nakasulat sa bible. Incest is OK. Genocide is OK. Having slaves is OK. Marrying a non-virgin is NOT OK…In fact, they should be sentenced to death according to the bible. Yun ba ang dapat tama?

  • Karl John Abenir

    andame pa rin talagang NARROW MINDS!! =(

  • Anonymous

     Some of the Bitter Fruits of Anti-Discrimination Laws on Homosexuals:

    1. CHRISTIAN COUPLE FORCED TO SHUT DOWN B&B FOR REFUSING HOMOSEXUAL COUPLE
    2. Toronto Schools Will Not Allow Exemptions from Pro-Homosexual Classes
    3. Part-time county clerk in rural New York who lost her job because she said she would not be comfortable putting her name on a same-sex “marriage” license.
    4. Sportscaster in Toronto was recently fired from his job for making a public statement, on his own time, that he believed marriage was a relationship between one-man and one-woman.
    5. Adoption services that would not place children with same-sex homes were forced out of the adoption business.
    6. Wedding photographers who preferred not to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony were fined $6,600 by the human rights commission of New Mexico.
    7. Counselors have been fired for referring couples in same-sex relationships to other counselors
    8. Counseling students have been told they cannot graduate if they do not change their beliefs regarding homosexuality.  
    9. Catholic Activist “Banned for life” From Publicly Criticizing Homosexuality
    10. Christian Political Party before Human Rights Commission for Speaking Against Homosexuality
    11. Alberta Human Rights Tribunal Rules Against Christian Pastor Boissoin
    12. Alberta Christian Pastor Hauled Before Human Rights Tribunal for Letter to Editor on Homosexuality
    13. U.S. Christian Camp Loses Tax-Exempt Status over Same-Sex Civil-Union Ceremony
    14. Methodist Camp Meeting Association Sues New Jersey for Civil Union Investigation
    15. Lesbian Couple Files Complaint against Church for Refusing Civil Union Ceremony
    16. Human Rights Complaint Filed Against Catholic Bishop for Defence of Traditional Marriage
    17. Homosexuals Seek to Shut Down Canadian Pro-Family Website

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

      @just_anotherperson:disqus  good, that means the laws they passed guaranteeing equality for all is being enforced. now don’t get me started on the abuse, injustice, and maltreatment, bigotry, hatred LGBT crowd has to endure everyday for the most of the part of the world.

      • Anonymous

        Got me thinking if you can cite cases of abuse, injustice, and maltreatment, bigotry, hatred LGBT crowd has to endure everyday in the Philippines. Don’t include cases in Islamic countries.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      //Some of the Bitter Fruits of Anti-Discrimination Laws on Homosexuals//

      I would call those success and sweet fruits of anti-discrimination laws!!! Good for those people..they got justice they deserved!!!

    • Anonymous

      @just_anotherperson?
      I can give you hundreds more examples of how gay people were not just fired from their jobs but killed…murdered from being gay.?

      And I’m sure that there were also lots of people who were fired, fined, jailed or lost their jobs from discriminating women or african-americans. They are bigots and the constitution is just not here to protect them.

      This thing already happened before when women were given equal rights as men and slaves were freed.You don’t want to be in the wrong side of history.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

        are you gay?

      • Anonymous

        I just don,t recall any news lately of gays being discriminated in the Philippines.  There was news of gays being murdered but that’s hardly a discrimination case.  Killing a person is a crime, not discrimination.

        When it comes to employment, only the handicapped and the elderly need some form of help because from a businessman’s point of view, they are not as productive as the rest.  Business do not need sanctions but incentives to employ these people.  The rest of us should compete based on ability and good work ethic.  Being gay should not be used as a pass to gain an advantage or a shield to prevent them from being fired. 

      • Anonymous

        I hope you read the bill first before posting your opinion. It doesn’t give gay people any special rights. The bill intends to give homosexuals EQUAL rights as heterosexuals. It’s that simple. 

        Gay people will not be given special treatment for being gay. The bill wants to make sure that everyone, gay or straight, is given equal treatment. i.e. You don’t fired from work just for being gay. This bill will not force anyone to hire you because you’re gay. Nor will the gov’t give incentives to employers who hire gay people.

      • Anonymous

        Without that discrimination bill, homosexuals and heterosexuals WILL have equal rights.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Without the anti-discrimination bill, employers with mentality like the Catholic church could just fire any homosexuals as they please and those incidents you included in your list would have never happened!!!

      • Anonymous

        If an employee of the catholic church causes scandal, of course they should be fired. It should not matter if they are straight or gay.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Not just fired and hidden under the rug! They should be turned over to the police and locked up!!!

  • Anonymous

    While I myself am not fond of homosexuals, I understand that homosexuality is not a choice, especially if their current choices are to be discriminated and labelled as evil or to keep lying themselves to be considered normal but stuck in a life of perpetual unhappiness.

    A reminder to Bible quoters out there, Christ himself has basically thrown out the bible quoting by proving that even the devil can quote scripture.
    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Using the logic from the golden rule, Catholics, specifically the officials of the RCC, are begging to be discriminated against.

  • Duke Dy

    So…The Bible says Homosexuals are unnatural…what, and TALKING SNAKES ARE? By the logic of the CBCP, they should pretty much stone to death any adulterous filipino who’s had extra-marital sex, and behead anyone who has had pre-marital sex. I dare any priest to come up to me and try. Like your holy book says, “WHO DARES CAST THE FIRST STONE?”

  • http://twitter.com/emmanvillalon18 Emmanuel Villalon

    Akala yata nila panahon pa ng Kastila na magkasama pa rin ang simbahan at gobyerno, at hanggang ngayon nakikialam pa rin sila sa mga decision ng gobyerno…. 

  • Anonymous

    Why do some of you still thinks that homosexuality is a sin? It isn’t. It is a preference. We are all equal when God created us. Eto lang yun e. Hindi masama maging gay o lesbian. Bakit kami bang mga LGBT society e nirerespeto ninyo na mga against samin? Hindi, kasi ang sinasabi niyo evil kami, mali kami, iba kami. Samantalang kayo may narinig na ba kayo na dinidiscriminate namin ang mga straight? Wala naman diba? Kasi tao din kayo at tao din kami. We all still believe in God as well. Hindi kami nawawalan ng faith kay God with whatever religion we have. Meron nga diyan (straight o gay)simba ng simba tapos wala din. Gagawa at gagawa parin ng masama. Kahit nga pag nasa loob ng simbahan eh. Im just saying we are all humans, we should respect and accept one another. Be true to yourself. If you are gay accept it. If you are straight accept it.

  • http://twitter.com/commandervenuss Ricardo Malit

    ARTICLE II, SECTION 6 OF THE 1987 CONSTITUTION!! PARANG DI EDUKADO MGA BISHOPS TUNKOL SA BATAS NG BANSA.

  • Anonymous

    The Philippines is a secular country and in the Philippine Constitution it clearly state the separation of Church and State.

    Human Rights is universal – meaning it’s your birth right, you are born with it and no one can take that away from you – even because of religious reasons. 

    Anyone can teach about how they interpret the bible or spirituality BUT no one religion should dictate how the government implement the values like EQUALITY, DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

  • Anonymous

    HMMM,THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WORLD-WIDE HAS THE WORST HISTORY OF ANY RELIGION  FOR IT’S PERPETRATION OF SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST IT’S OWN “FLOCK”,WHICH CONTINUES TIL THIS DAY,AND THE CATHOLIC LEADERS SEEM DISINTERESTED IN CLEANSING THE FILTH FROM IT’S MIDST..PERHAPS IN FEAR THAT THE ORGANISATION WOULD POSSIBLY COLLAPSE DUE TO A DEARTH OF AVAILABLE TRUSTED CLERGY-FOLK.

    NOW,THE BISHOPS,IN THEIR USUAL HOLIER-THAN -THOU MANNER, WANT TO INFLUENCE THE ASCENDANT ANTI-DISCRIMINATION BILL BECAUSE IT IS NOW ADDRESSING PEOPLE’S RIGHTS TO OWN AND EXPRESS THEIR OWN SEXUALITY.

    OF COURSE,WITH A HISTORY SUCH AS THAT REFERRED TO ABOVE,THE BISHOPS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED EXPERTS ON WHO SHOULD BE DOING WHAT TO WHOM!

    NATURALLY,I DONT EVEN WISH TO MENTION THE CATHOLIC OPPOSITION TO  ANOTHER BILL REGARDING PEOPLE’S RIGHT TO BE INFORMED AND THENCE ADOPT THEIR OWN CHOICES OF METHODS TO PROMOTE HEALTHY FAMILY PLANNING.

    THE SOONER A SECULAR GOVERNMENT EVOLVES,THE BETTER FOR THE POPULATION OF THE PHILIPPINES,THE MAJORITY OF WHOM,OVER ALMOST FOUR CENTURIES, HAVE LIVED UNDER THE MIGHT OF FOREIGN POWERS AND  EVEN MORE “FOREIGN” AND ABUSIVE RELIGIONS.

    IN THE MEANTIME,RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WEILDNG POWER HERE SHOULD BUTT-OUT OF MATTERS WHICH ARE NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

      ganda pakingan pinag isipan, wala namang laman.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        And you think your one line rejoinders have substance? All of them are ad hominem arguments!!!

      • ryan andres

        oo, parang utak mo

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B3PKONTGKSJVJM5VSAFYIRNQ74 Jesse

    Let me get this straight: Here’s a bill that will be against Ethnic, Racial and Religious Discrimination. But dahil may nakita silang sexual freedom (“sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender equality”), they’re ALL TOTALLY against it NA?

    Eh, gender equality pa naman. If we don’t recognize that the LGBQT community feels discrimination, then we are no different than the old times when women were put below men.

    By addressing their rights, we will be able to alleviate their problems which we ourselves make, and be more open to them as years–even decades– go on, just as it took centuries for women to gain their rights.

  • Anonymous

    Galit talaga ang mga obispo sa mga bakla at lesbians.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

      another gay.

      • ryan andres

        referring to yourself?

  • ryan andres

    Ang mga bading ba eh galit sa kapwa nila bading? Hoy CBCP, love your own…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

      ito pa isang gay

      • ryan andres

        saan? nakatingin ka ba sa salamin pards?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

        kinahihiya mo na ba sarili mo?

      • ryan andres

        No reason to. Ikaw, sawa ka na ba sa pagiging baklang buraot?

      • ryan andres

        @ !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!
        No reason to. Ikaw, sawa ka na ba sa pagiging baklang buraot?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    “old bearded man hiding the clouds” kamukha yan sa bearded microphone behind (blip) madalas nilalaro ng mga (blip)”

    So is that what your god looks like? Then Mideo Cruz was right all along!!!

  • http://twitter.com/scarlet_bourbon Nuhri Artolia

    Natatakot ang Catholic Church dahil mauubusan sila ng pari. Ang dami kayang beki na pari noh?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

      are you gay?

    • Anonymous

      According to the John Jay report on the US clerical sex abuse, around 4% of the priests were involved, but 81% of the cases involved boys. So the conclusion is 3% of the priests there are gay.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        But that’s just include those who were caught! The fact is the percentage of gay priests highly likely mirrors that what’s in the secular world..and that is between 5-10%.

      • Anonymous

        I’m sure you’re pro-gay but I hope you don’t think that being gay and being a pedophile is one & the same.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        lol…dude it’s sarcasm! Read the 2nd sentence!

      • Anonymous

        The CDC says 4% of the men in the US are MSM, so 4% is reasonable figure.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t even know where to start. First off, the John Jay Report was commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and not by an independent body so they have all the reasons to hide the truth. Even Pope Benedict XVI didn’t act on child abuse incidents when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger.
        Secondly, the survey was only done in the US so there no telling how many victims there are on the global scale. And 3 or 4% is still a lot considering that most of the abusers were not sent to jail but to another diocese giving them yet another chance to abuse kids. (And I don’t know why you would try to justify sexual abuse by saying it’s just 4%.)

        Thirdly, I’m sure you’re a smart guy and you understand the difference between being gay and being a pedophile.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        To them….pedophilia is OK..but homosexuality is not! See how bent and obtuse their mentalities are?

      • Anonymous

        The report was written not by church people but by academics. There is no reason to doubt their impartiality unless you have proof. There is no other study made on the sex abuse scandal which can be the basis of an intelligent discussion.

        Do not make allegations on Pope Benedict if you do not give facts. What you read on atheist and anti-catholic websites are very different from what actually happened.

        There are straight and gay pedophiles. Okay, to be accurate, they should be called gay pedophiles.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        just_anotherperson…we already talked about Fr. Fullerman’s case from Munich and the Cloyne Report from Ireland…those directly showed some involvement of your pope!

      • Anonymous

        Then please invite the reader to read the comparison of your statement, the secular New York Times and of the National Catholic Reporter on the Fullerman case.  It is somewhere in the middle of this thread.
         

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Anybody who has access to a computer can Google it! And they can read it for themselves. Essentially both articles agree on each other…..just the tone of the National Catholic Reporter is a bit obviously dismissive which I can understand. It’s  one of the many sounding boxes of the church. It’s not in this thread. It’s in another one about RH bill.

      • Anonymous

        You failed to mention that your original statement is so different from the report of the New York Times, which you claim to be your source, and of the National Catholic Reporter.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Didn’t i say that? That the National Catholic Reporter is a bit more dismissive because as the name of the paper shows…there’s a word Catholic in it. What do you expect? Isn’t that what’s called biased? Conflict of Interest? Didn’t we also talked already about not using your bible as a proof for the existence of god coz that exactly operates in the same fashion?

      • Anonymous

        I didn’t say it was written by church people. It was commissioned by church people. Meaning the church people funded the report. And it’s common logic to let an independent body commission a report that involves you. It’s like saying “find out if there’s anything illegal I did in the past. And I’m going to fund it.” (Would you expect them to come up with an unbiased report?)

        I didn’t make the allegations on Pope Benedict. You can check the many news agencies on the web if you want to know the truth. But Google is your friend. [keywords: “pope benedict allegations”]

        There are gay & straight criminals. I don’t know why the church is spending millions of dollars protecting “gay pedophiles.” The money should go to the poor.

      • Anonymous

        What are you complaining about?  The church to not have to pay other people to conduct an investigation if they want to hush things up.

        “Allegations” is the key word.

        Personally, I would rather see the court hearing proceed so that the guilty is punished and the innocent exonerated.  But in the Catholic Church, the Bishop has the sole responsibility and authority to decide for his diocese.  If you are not satisfied with what happened, blame the bishop.

      • Anonymous

        //The report was written not by church people but by academics.//

        Academics who were paid by the Catholic Church. A similar arrangement was done when tobacco companies paid researchers to concoct research that claimed that smoking doesn’t have any health risks.

        And a more thorough reading of the report indicates several critical lapses in its analysis. To cite one example from the report:

        Definition of pedophilia
        //Less than 5 percent of the priests with allegations of
        abuse exhibited behavior consistent with a diagnosis of pedophilia (a
        psychiatric disorder that is characterized by recurrent fantasies,
        urges, and behaviors about prepubescent children). Thus, it is
        inaccurate to refer to abusers as “pedophile priests”//
        //It is worth noting that while the media has consistently
        referred to priest-abusers as “pedophile priests,” pedophilia is defined
        as the sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Yet, the data on
        priests show that 22 percent of victims were age ten and under, while
        the majority of victims were pubescent or postpubescent (10).//

        The problem is that according to the DSM’s proper guidelines, pedophilia is classified as the molestation of an individual at age thirteen or younger. If the report had stuck to the DSMs guidelines instead of its self appointed definitions, that 22 percent would be closer to 73 percent. just_anotherperson, if this disingenuous report is all you can cling to for the defense of your delusion, then I’m afraid you’re just grasping at straws.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

    daming bading a… hhahhaa

    • Anonymous

      Go back pleasuring yourself on redtube. God bless!

      • ryan andres

        kampon ni Soxie Topacio yan sir… wag na pansinin. Gumawa lang ng account para manggulo lang… tsk tsk tsk…

      • Anonymous

        Oo. Wag ng pansinin. He doesn’t deserve anyone’s attention.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL7ZGULUL26XQYRED7QEBVDH4Y !-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

        are you?

    • ryan andres

      @!-Mañ¥åki§-!__BosSiNG__!

      hinde, ikaw lang.

  • Anonymous

    People always try to justify their immorality… Like Imbong said “These people are disadvantaged not by their own choice(about the man and woman discrimination). But the third sex, they choose this. How can you give protection to a choice like that?” For me i think their should be an exception to the church that would not allow a same sex  marriage. Equality with moral thoughts.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VBS35V54F5DSSEHFQNWVZQU5UI arjane

      How come you can confidently conclude that it was their own personal choice and not due to psychological or physiological disorder? Lesbian/gay ka ba to testify and conclude the same? And don’t get me wrong, I am a straight person and happily married. But during my childhood years I was boyish. Now I’m older, and according to my OB I have increased androgen(male hormone) levels as indicated in my medical findings related to PCOS. It figures, I’ve been producing excess androgen (which facilitates masculine characterisitics) my entire life, a manifestation of which was my boyish characteristics. I am no doctor but through experience I can attest that being a lesbian or gay is not an absolute personal choice. Please state your basis in stating the contrary.

      • Anonymous

        Well, it’s neither a personal choice nor a psychological/physiological disorder. And if you don’t believe me, ask the American Psychiatric Association or the British Medical Association or maybe the Psychological Association of the Philippines and they will all tell you one thing…Being gay is as normal as being straight.

        I think we need to start to educate others as well. Gay teens commit suicide thinking something is wrong with them. 

  • http://twitter.com/theicarustheory Gianina Santiago

    Nobody asked for your opinion, CBCP. Nobody asked you to be born. :|

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VBS35V54F5DSSEHFQNWVZQU5UI arjane

    Separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. I have nothing against the religion but I have something against the people holding “positions” in the Roman Catholic community. They are very rigid that they are stubborn to accept the contemporary factual settings. They are even selfish and self-centered to think that Roman Catholic is superior over other religion that the rule of law should bend to their customs and beliefs. It maybe gainsaid that majority of Filipinos are Roman Catholic, but lets accept the fact that it was done without our volition. Roman Catholics evidenced by baptismal certificate is one thing, practicing parishioners who willfully embrace the ways and beliefs of Roman Catholic, let alone the blinded absurdity of their innate hate and disgust with LGTBs is another thing. I respect the LGTB community, and it is wrong for them to conclude that it is their personal choice to be one na parang namili lang ng damit na isusuot. That would be a fatal assumption. Bakit, pano nila nasabi na personal choice yun, lesbian/gay ba sila para ma conclude yon? They are bunch of close minded people hindering the love of God to be felt by everyone regardless of one’s race, social standing and sexual orientation. “It’s opening the door for same sex marriages, which our country doesn’t allow,” is a very strong statement of generalization, it’s the (Roman Catholic) Church that does not allow, but I believe the State is silent if it really abhors same sex marriage. I have never crossed any statute expressly stating that our state prohibits same sex marriage, let alone the Family Code and the Revised Penal Code. They should stop equating Roman Catholic Church to the State because they are far from being equivalent. Just my two cents. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VBS35V54F5DSSEHFQNWVZQU5UI arjane

    Who can say what is right and wrong anyway? There is no absolute right and wrong. 

  • http://twitter.com/eimeeholic Eimee Laurencio강 지 라

    Being a lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender isn’t just about a matter of choice. it’s about how a person truly feels about his or herself. It’s about exercising their FREEDOM as a HUMAN BEING. Whether they belong to the LGBT group or not, NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE has the right to tell to anyone that ONLY SELECTED PEOPLE CAN BE PROVIDED WITH RIGHTS AND PROTECTION. I tell you, they may differ in sexual preference or orientation but, THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS. They are not like any trash you see around us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    Here’s an article from PUBMED authored by people from Harvard School of Public Health. “The prevalence of homosexual behavior and attraction in the United States, the United Kingdom and France: results of national population-based samples”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4WQBMLKAEU5Z7XR7HAQTQ6YYAQ Pammela

    CBCP, seriously, you remind me of the Pharisees, the hypocrites who condemned Christ.

  • Anonymous

    The Philippines being the only christian country in asia should oppose same sex marriage atl cost.  The church should be strong on this issue and should not be swayed by any so called moralists or any equality theories.  Morality should be the strong bastion of a christian country.  It should not be confused with gender equality

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Unfortunately for you..we don’t live in the Catholic Republic of the Philippines!!! It’s a constitutional democracy and not a theocracy. If you want to live in a society like that…you’re free to move to Iran or Afghanistan!!!

      • Anonymous

        Democracy and freedom should be used for a moral degradation of any society.  You like it or not morality is always the basis for a strong and healthy society.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Last time I checked countries with this kind of laws like the Scandinavian countries, Germany, France, UK are strong and healthy societies! Now just look around our neck of the woods..we’re the only predominantly Christian country (that you brag about) and yet we’re are at the bottom of the ladder economically but we’re on top as one of the most corrupt.

        Look at Afghanistan…used to be ran by the Talibans (who were strict enforcers of morals)..is one of the poorest in the world. Criminality is rampant. Their women are relegated to the kitchen and bed room. Saudi Arabia and Iran..although not considered as poor countries because of their oil reserves. Nonetheless both of these countries subscribe to a strict interpretation of their holy book of moral and just look at how they treat their women! They have to cover their heads, they cannot even drive and vote.The media is extensively censored. Is that the kind of society you envision for the Philippines?

      • ryan andres

        In fact, being the only predominantly christian country is the only thing we can brag about nowadays…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Hahahaha i’m ashamed of even mentioning that coz it’s ironic that we’re also one of the most corrupt! Isn’t religion should be making that go away, yet it had become so entrenched in of our culture it’s very hard to extricate ourselves from it’s scourge….so now our people think it’s ok because it’s so pervasive it’s literally a daily occurence!

      • Anonymous

        Democracy and freedom are not licensed for loose immorality.  Democracy and freedom are given for mankind to respect and uphold each other to do good for a peaceful, strong and progressive community

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Did you just retype this same rejoinder you have earlier? This looks verbatim from what I answered earlier!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VBS35V54F5DSSEHFQNWVZQU5UI arjane

      Haver you heard that the Philippines is a SECULAR country?

  • Anonymous

    Excuse me Jo Imbong, you obviously do not have a grasp of what goes on beyond the structures of the catholic church.  I can’t resist from commenting on some terribly irresponsible and bigoted views you just made:
     
    1.  “These people are disadvantaged not by their own choice. But the third sex, they choose this. How can you give protection to a choice like that?”
             — Third sex? It’s LGBT Jo. The choice that LGBT people have to make is not whether to become gay or straight, the choice is whether to be out or not.  Making that choice becomes more painful and difficult because of people like you  who have the stubborn belief that only straight people were created by God in His likeness.

    2. “the bill violated religious freedom and the ‘no prior restraint’ accorded by the law to freedom of speech”
            — who’s violating the catholic church’s freedom to exercise its religion? Our Constitution states ‘that no law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed.’   So please tell me, which part was violated there Jo?
           —– whose freedom of speech will be violated by the bill if it becomes a law? Nowhere in the bill prohibits anyone from responsibly articulating his or her opinions, just like what you did and just like what I’m doing now.   So please stop blurting out imagined violations of constitutional provisions just to defend your client’s position.

    3. “The government may not penalize a religious organization for … excluding a person from Church responsibilities, for example, based upon that person’s moral behavior which could include the practice or promotion of homosexuality,”
        —- So now it’s getting clearer! The catholic church intends to exclude from ‘church responsibilities’ those who  are into  ‘the practice or promotion of homosexuality’. That’s the  exact meaning of your statement Jo.  That is a clear act of discrimination within the church itself. Even God did not discriminate against anyone,  So why would you?

    4.  “The bill would hinder the Church from teaching what it believed to be right or wrong”
        — You know this is not true Jo.  Nothing ever hindered the catholic church from doing or teaching anything it  believed to be right or wrong.  It’s a credibility issue.  So  don’t blame anyone else if the church cannot get the  message across.   

    5.  “under the bill, the priest who refused to officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed  for 25 years”
         —  Are you telling the truth here Jo? I think you’re misleading the public.  You know very well that a catholic priest who refused to officiate same sex marriage can always quote the Constitution for his refusal because our  Constitution limits marriage to a man and a woman.  So don’t try to get other people to support the opposition to  the bill by insinuating that the anti-discrimination bill allows same-sex  marriage.  It does not.

    If in the future and by some miraculous design, it becomes legal in this country to have same sex marriage, why oppose it? Isn’t marriage for two loving individuals who decide to form a family in order to be included in mainstream society? Excluding the LGBT from the anti-discrimination bill is in itself downright discriminatory.  These statements of Jo Imbong and the CBCP are the very reasons why the bill has to be passed into law now.

  • Anonymous

    TRY PRAYING

    What would happen if we get
    down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

    Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the
    universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight.
    We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7,
    Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and
    James 5:15-16. In Jesus’ name we pray, Amen.

    We pray
    sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish,
    non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in
    remarkable ways.

    Will anything happen? No.
    Of course not.

    This is very odd. Jesus
    makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work.
    Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers.
    And Christians believe Jesus — according to this
    recent article, “54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally
    true.” In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

    If the Bible is literally
    true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew
    7:7 Jesus says:

    Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find;
    knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he
    who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you,
    if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish,
    will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts
    to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good
    things to those who ask him!

    If “every
    one who asks receives”, then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should
    be cured. Right? If “our Father who is in heaven gives good things to
    those who ask him”, then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure
    it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

    In Matthew 17:20 Jesus
    says:

    For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of
    mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it
    will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

    If “nothing
    will be impossible to you”, then if we ask to cure cancer tonight,
    cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the
    Bible less-than-literally here, the statement “nothing will be
    impossible to you” becomes “lots of things will be
    impossible to you,” and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

    In Matthew 21:21:

    I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt,
    not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this
    mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you
    believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

    If “you
    will receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, then if we ask to cure
    cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note
    again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret “you will
    receive whatever you ask for in prayer”, unless you replace
    “whatever” with “nothing” or “little.”

    The message is reiterated
    Mark 11:24:

    Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
    believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

    If God
    says, “believe that you have received it, and it will be yours,”
    and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to
    cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.

    In John chapter 14, verses
    12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

    “I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in
    me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these,
    because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so
    that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything
    in my name, and I will do it.” [ref]

    Look at how
    direct this statement is: “You may ask me for anything in my name,
    and I will do it.” This is the “Son of God” speaking.
    Have we taken him “too literally?” No. This is a simple, unambiguous
    statement. Have we taken his statement “out of context?” No – Jesus
    uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus’ statement is obviously false. Because
    when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.

    We see the same thing over
    and over again…

    In Matthew 18:19 Jesus
    says:

    Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about
    anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where
    two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

    In James
    5:15-16 the Bible says:

    And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person
    well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.
    Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you
    may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

    In Mark
    9:23:

    All things are possible to him who believes.

    In Luke
    1:37:

    For with God nothing will be impossible.

    Nothing
    could be simpler or clearer than Jesus’ promises about prayer in the Bible.
    Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.

    And keep in mind that this
    is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not
    the words of “inspired” human beings. These are supposedly the words
    of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is
    obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

    • Anonymous

      I like your long comment. It’s like a recipe for halo-halo. Get some from that, get some from this. Mix it together “to your own taste” and …whala… look at how “colorful” it is.

    • Anonymous

      This is the kind of prayer that God hates.  The effective and powerful prayers are those prayers that are not seen by men.  Thats why Jesus said,  when you pray go into a closet where it is only between you and God.

      • Anonymous

        Is there anything in the Bible that says this kind of prayer is hated by God?
        Subject: [inq-newsinfo] Re: CBCP wants anti-discrimination bill cleansed of provisions on gay rights

    • jin2012

      blowcoldblowhot:

      We would rather listen to Jesus than you.  Even the devil quotes scripture:

      (Matthew 4)
      “5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
         “‘He will command his angels concerning you, 
         and they will lift you up in their hands, 
         so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”  7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]” 

  • Anonymous

    Dear BISHOPS,

            Which is worst same sex marriage or pedophilia/rape or bribery? While i don’t agree to same sex marriage idea. Don’t you think pedophilia/rape by Catholic Priests or any regular person leaves a traumatic experience and psychological scars to the victim? I never heard of a Priest being incarcerated or being fired by Vatican for sexually abusing children/raping women. But instead Vatican or the superiors(BISHOPS) of these sexual predators cover up the crime (Isn’t that obstruction of Justice?). What i want to imply here is that you lost your credibility to assert that same sex marriage is immoral and should be opposed. How about bribery? you zipped your big mouths during Arroyo regime. Though you were aware of the anomalies of the past administration. Your pick mitsubishops, a pajero or Montero? plus white envelope full of cash. Ayos? One more thing, can you zip your mouths again? you’re too noisy ! Is the CBCP hungry ? pasensya na tagtuyo ngayon dahil walang naakyat na investment si Kalbo sa bansa. kaya wala kayong suhol saka wala na kayong mahothot pa sa gobyerno. Inubos na ni Pandak ang pera sa kaban ng bayan. Pag tyagaan nyo na lang yung barya baryang nauto nyo sa congregation.

    KulangotzMo

  • ryan andres

    Here’s the thing. This law is meant to proliferate awareness of what rights we have as citizens and as people living under a free democracy.
     
    The church thrives on keeping its teeming multitudes ignorant.
     
    If this law gets passed, people will become aware that oh, they do have rights.The church’s hold on them will no longer be absolute and will no longer be unquestionable.
     
    And that, in my own humble opinion, at least, is what scares the shlt out of these clergymen.
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vicente-Boticol/100002674898219 Vicente Boticol

    Senate Bill 2814 will definitely benefit many clerics and even some bishops who maybe classified in the LGBT category. Bishop Arturo M. Bastes of the Diocese of Sorsogon, a Boholano clearly supports this particular bill when he spoke before the LADLAD BOHOL Chapter last May 24 during its Annual Provincial assembly in Loboc,Bohol.

  • Saloi-CDR

    CBCP, e papano na lang ang mga kasamahan ninyong mga baklang bishops na gusto din magpakasal sa kani-kanilang boyfriends?

  • Anonymous

    Dagdag ka alaman: Alam mo ba na mahigit kalahati ng mga Congresman sa Batasan ay BADING / LESBIANA…

    • Anonymous

      bakit mo alam? nagamit ka na ba nila? wahaha

  • ryan andres

    Wala na kasi silang maloloko, kaya nagkakandarapa na barahin itong bill na ito.
     It’s the same case with the RH bill. The only difference is they’re using scare tactics to the extent of threatening church goers with excommunication for supporting the RH bill. Oh, wait. In that case, there’s no difference then. They’re using $hitty tactics before, they’re using $hitty tactics now. Welcome back to the days of Damaso.

    tsk tsk tsk…mga mitsubishops, you need to ask yourselves…What would your Jesus do, in his time, if this same situation was presented to him.

    ‘ika nyo nga eh, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

  • Anonymous

    The CBCP are as ignorant as always and using the fear tactic. They could simply request that the bill be amended to exempt religious organizations from officiating over same-sex weddings. That is what some countries in Europe–including Spain–did. But to deny overall protection for LGBT just because the Roman Catholic Bishops are uncomfortable is unconscionable and is exactly why LGBT should be included in any anti-discrimination law. 

    ‎”…Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights…Likewise, with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights. In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us….” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

    • Anonymous

      As always, the church is one of the sectors very slow to adapt to change. History is replete with the church’s rigidity like the case of Galileo where they were wrong and it took them generations to rectify their mistake but a life(Galileo’s) has been damaged.

  • Anonymous

    The church’s true colors has been umasked, they discriminate against the LGBT community because many of their priests are gays too who can not accept their sexuality or sexual orientation.

  • Vince B

    Hey rodger66 nice pic hitler was a indeed catholic. glad to see you and the CBCP have a role model.

    So what does the RCC condone that are unnatural
    1. Celibacy
    2. Pedophilia
    3. Condoning Pedophilia

    Slavery was once considered a good thing by the RCC. slavery ok lang as long as katoliko siya lol

    hypocrites haha

  • Anonymous

    Religion is the enemy of progress.

  • alienpatriot

    Since there is no same-sex marriage in this country, the reasons given by the CBCP are ridiculous. The real reasons are simpler. They are bigoted in their outlook. THe CBCP is controlled by people whose outlook is quite literally fascist. They regard themselves as superior both morally and intellectually and, as a result, see no problem with constant interference in politics.
    Until I camr to this country, I was actually a Catholic but I cannot remain in the same church as these evil people.

  • Anonymous

    Nagmaangmaangan pa ang opisyal ng simbahang katoliko, eh ito ang gusto nila kasi sa dami ba namang pari na may mga lalaking “angels”, matutupad na rfin ang hangarin nilang malantad ang kanilang tunay na katauhan na nagtatago sa roba ng simbahan.

  • http://twitter.com/danarosete Dana Rosete

    they seriously think after all this, gay people would even think of considering getting married by THAT kind of institution? I think NOT.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GJS7BEVRXWDD6KGLFEKZMYLXLM Gloria

    you hypocrites! no wonder nobody believes in your “preaching” anymore. if these pedants would have it, they would revive the inquisition and have all who are not heteros burn at the stake. dapat ikinulong ang mga hinayupak na pajero bwishops na yan.

    to you hypocrite cbcpers, maybe you should concentrate on educating your priests. wala na silang ginawa kundi mambola at magjoke sa mga sermon nila. ang bobobo nila. aren’t you supposed to be ‘enlightened’?

    • Anonymous

      WOW! MAGALING MAGPATAYO KA NG SIMBAHAN MO AT PUNUHIN MO NG MGA RAPIST, PEDOPHILE, TOMBOY AT BAKLA PATI SI GLORIANG MAGNANAKAW AT SAMBAHIN SI PANGINOONG SATANAS. BWA HA HA HA. OK BA.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Luzviminda88..you’re an interesting gal!! You’re an abberancy. Your pairing is mismatched! It should be Gloria and the Catholic Church together..hence Anti-RH whereas P’noy – not scared of the Church and is pro-RH. Do you get that? :-) And don’t worry about those rapist and pedophiles building their own churches..because they’re among the ranks of the Catholic priests already!!! Lots of them had been caught and even discharged of duties..however lots were never locked up!

  • Anonymous

    According to the bible, man is 6000 years old. How old do you think is the earth? Religion is and will always be used to control the masses. How many children were abused by these so called “priests?” So many that the pope issued an apology. Lets not be hypocrites and let people live the life they want to live.

    • Anonymous

      sabihin na natin wala tayo relihiyon or dios….common sense lang…wag natin isali ang Roman catholic sa usapan……ok lang ba sayo na tinitira sa puwet yong anak mong lalaki ng kapwa lalaki? Kung mapapadalhan moko ng video ng dalawang asong lalaki na nagtatalik…baka makumbinsi moko. Buti pa mga hayop walang same sex.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

        @tikboy50:disqus  “Buti pa mga hayop walang same sex.” <– hate to disappoint you but homosexuality is very much common in the animal kingdom. google it and be enlightened. of course, i'm not trying to compare us to animals but i would just like to point out the many myths surrounding homosexuality including the one that you just pointed out

  • Anonymous

    dagdag kaalaman: alam nyo ba na mahigit kalahati ng mga senator at congresman ay BADING AT LESBIANA.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Really? I didn’t know that!  Where did you get that figure? That’s more than the incidince of homosexuality in the general population which averages around 10%. Well if that’s the case..thats a good thing then…. that would be beneficial to the passage of this bill!

  • http://twitter.com/markkevinflores ƒŏƦɛѷҽᴦ ḥʊɳɢȒʏ

     Many religiously conservative researchers have found that children thrive best when reared in a home with a married mother and father. Boys and girls have needs that are uniquely met by parents of the opposite gender..  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Forever Hungry..i like you already! You’re a very honest man! You didn’t lie about the authors of your research (they are ” many religiously conservative researchers”). I see …..very interesting results!!! Very revealing! :-)

      • http://twitter.com/markkevinflores ƒŏƦɛѷҽᴦ ḥʊɳɢȒʏ

        i forgot to put the link :))

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        You don’t have to my friend! Don’t bother! Just as long as I know that the authors are religiously conservative. I know what to do with the conclusion and findings! :-) Did they at least come from Journals that are peer-reviewed?

    • http://twitter.com/rzfortajada Rz Fortajada

      What about unbiased, objective researchers? :)

    • Vince B

      “Many religiously conservative researchers” take note of the wordings. these are mostly composed of priests, as we all know make very bad scientists. real doctors, scientists and sociologists would love to disagree.

  • peach black

    @ NOLI:

    ha ha ha Noli. . . kung mababasa mo pa ibang kasalaulaan sa Bibliya kikilabutan ka. God is portrayed as breathtakingly cruel, vengeful, petty, malicious and unreasonable. Now I know kung bakit ayaw pabasa sa akin ng lolo ko ang Bibliya no’ng bata pa ako. Paglaki ko na raw at meron na akong sapat na pangunawa. Now I know why he was trying to protect me from reading the Bible. Talagang punum-puno kasi siya ng kalupitan, kabastusan, kasalaulaan at lahat na ng karumal-dumal at kahindik-hindik na mga hangarin.

  • http://twitter.com/rzfortajada Rz Fortajada

    It’s one thing for your religion to not accept certain behaviors or beliefs. But actively promoting against statewide non-discrimination of a group of people is just as unChristian as it gets. 
    “The lawyer noted that under the bill, the priest who refused to officiate same sex marriages may be fined with P500,000 and jailed for 25 years.” Even for me, who is pro-LGBT, this is too much, and it goes against the principle of the bill itself. 

    Can anyone link a copy of the amended bill? Baka naman exaggerated lang yung interpretation nila nung penalties.

  • peach black

    in the Bible GOD ordered his people to slaughter their enemies by impaling their babies through their bellies and debauching their virgins. no’ng mabasa ko ito talagang I was terribly disturbed. what kind of GOD is this BIBLE trying to make us worship??

  • Anonymous

    Talaga naman…itong mga senador at tongressman natin gagawa lang ng batas lalagyan pa ng kalaswaan…sabihin na natin na hinde tayo Roman catholic country (majority), sabihin na natin wala tayong kinikilalang relihiyon or dios….common sense lang…alam na natin na kagaguhan yong makipagtalik sa kapwa babae or lalaki d ba? Nakakita na ba kayo ng kapwa lalaking ASO na nagtatalik? lalabas nyan mas matino pa mga aso kesa tao.

  • Anonymous

    IF YOU AREN’T A CHRISTIAN THEN IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE.. BUT IF YOU ARE THEN IT’S BEST TO BUILD YOUR OWN CHURCH AND TEACH THEM THAT PERVERTS CAN GO TO HEAVEN CONTRARY TO GOD’S TEACHING. READ REVELATIONS CHAPTER 21 AND 22

    • Vince B

      poor poor deluded luzviminda88. di kaya ang katotohanan. easy guys she has the constitutional right to be stupid.

      dont assume we will allow the RCC to impose it’s bigotry and hypocrisy to the rest of the nation. keep your dogma to your self. fundy.

      and gloria is best friends with the CBCP she belongs in YOUR church. i wish my bff will give me an SUV for my birthday. at kasama na dun yung mga pari mo na rapist, pedophile at bakla. hay nako naghihingalo na si luzviminda.

      and SHUT UP WOMAN! read Timothy 2:12

    • Anonymous

      //BUT IF YOU ARE THEN IT’S BEST TO BUILD YOUR OWN CHURCH AND TEACH THEM THAT PERVERTS CAN GO TO HEAVEN CONTRARY TO GOD’S TEACHING.//

      We’d love to, but the Catholic Chuch beat us to it ;)

    • Anonymous

      Luzviminda88, They can build their own church but churches like that are always self-destructive. They turn into what is called….a CULT. Polygamy, Abortion, Incest, Same-sex marriage, all allowed. Go CBCP!

  • Brian Patrick

    I’ll tell you this, religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality. And the protections we have for religion – we protect religion! And talk abut a lifestyle choice. That is absolutely a choice. Gay people don’t choose to be gay. At what age did you choose not to be gay? – Jon Stewart to presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee

  • antonioluna

    so now church is becoming like manang bola who predicts the future, they failed to see that after almost 4 centuries they will lose their might and now resorted to mind programming, maybe after another 4 centuries it will be just history, and will be called the greatest deceit of all time.

  • Vince B

    in 2002, the church admitted up to 200 priests have engaged in sexual misconduct. i see no history of any of these priests being tried or punished for their crimes against humanity.

    even bacani who was proven to have sexually abused his secretary just went on a vacation – so he could reflect on his sins. bullcrap

    In Butuan Cabonce a catholic priest allegedly raped a 17 year old girl. The bishop of Butuan, Juan de Dios Pueblos, took the priest under his custody without handing him over to civil and church authorities. Oscar Cruz mentioned it is of local authorities’ hands more bull crap.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      That is exactly why the Prime Minister of Ireland was so livid while delivering his response to the Cloyne Report. They refuse to cooperate and hand those perpetrators to the civil authorities because they’re more worried about protecting their reputation than the welfare of the victims! Have we heard from the Cabonce scandal again? what came out of it? Zilch..nada, coz this is exactly what they purposely do to keep everything a secret until everyone forgets about it. I hope this Cabonce case would not be relegated to the woodwork also!

      • Vince B

        Ireland also shut down the the Vatican embassy without batting an eyelash, it was just a waste of money. considering the ferns and cloyne reports and the magdelene laundries, i wasnt the least bit surprised. the RCC wanted it there for the sake of morality.morality my arse.

        And church attendance there have drastically reduced in recent years. 54% considering that ireland was considered the most catholic nation in europe. even the country that brought the RCC to us is at a 27%.

        europe is jumping out of the RCC bandwagon

  • Anonymous

    I am a perfectly normal person when it comes to my sex life. and still very much active.

    So I am not really in to this same sex marriage…

    But for the church to be dipping their dirty fingers on this issue, is one thing i totally abhor…
    let the discourse on this issue flow freely, regardless of what side will come out strong.

    Alam naman nating lahat how perverted these  men underneath their priestly abitos are!…

    so let it be  bishops, okey ?…you really don’t want us to go into sordid details, are we???

  • Anonymous

    It is not enough that you tolerate homosexuality.  You  MUST approve!

    • peach black

      nice

    • Anonymous

      //You  MUST approve!//

      Nobody;s asking you to “approve” homosexuality. Be my guest – be free to spout all of your homophobic tripe to your heart;s content. Just don’t be surprised when people call you out for being a bigot. You sow what you reap.

  • Anonymous

    mamatay na lahat ng bakla! unahin na si piolo dyan!

  • Anonymous

    Bubuo ako ng hit squad na pa.pat@y  sa mga bakla. Sinong gustong sumali? Dnt wory, ako na bahala sa shotgun at armalite pati RPG…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W3RWCYCHXUBK7Z5UO5PZAXLQJA Alison Estabaya

    For the nth time, being gay is NOT A CHOICE. LGBT people do not choose to be harassed, they do not choose to lose their rights, they do not choose to be discriminated.

    If it were a choice, then I suppose they wouldn’t choose subjecting themselves to such discrimination and scrutiny.

    • antonioluna

      although i don’t subscribe to RCC harassing our democratic process again i believe being gay is not a choice it is an urge, an abnormal urge to have sex with the same kind, just like pedophilia being abnormal for having urge to have sex with minors, for me this is just a mental disorder that has spread around the world, it has spread because society accepts it as norms but it is not.

      • Ricardo Boncan

        If I have the urge to have sex with my pet, should I be given the right to marry it? The problem is when morality is reduced to mere taste and urges, then everything becomes permissible.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Actually no one would be preventing you from doing that if that’s what you want to do! I don’t know if you can officially marry a pet in front of a judge but you can make out with it as often as you want. Now a sane human being would not do that becuase a pet is not even in the same specie as we are in the first place! So only a few who has urges to bang their pets do. Now I don’t follow why you even brough this up because the topic here is anti-discrimination law and not even about gay marriage. You guys love to make sweeping generalizations and predictions that IF this particular things happen..THEN this will happen! How do you know? I’ve never read a report/news/study findings that say sex with pets or rape or necrophilia, etc went up in a particular country because they enacted anti-discrimination law that includes protecting the rights of gays.

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Given your moral relativistic stand, who are you to say that it is not “sane” to do so? It cuts both ways my friend. The anti-discrimnation law is a porthole to the challenge of homosexual marriage. Tell me how are gays discriminated from:
        1. Employment
        2. Enrollment
        3. Suffrage
        4. Equal protection under law
        5. Running for public office

        I never implied that having sex with pets would rise with the passage of the bill please re-read my post lest you misunderstand!

  • peach black

    siyempre ayaw ko lalo pa’t ang lalaking tumitira sa puwet ng anak mo ay isang PARI o obispo

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDXMLN3SEQFCCAIE34DQAY2VQ4 tetra

    Superpilipinas, your holy book demands a woman to never take authority over a man, so that female lawyer should stop violating your book. Your holy book approves of rape, murder, slavery and the subjugation of any non-believer. And yes i am talking the christian bible, so please do tell me why do you not follow those tenets? 

    Why do you look at it subjectively, you will only follow part and parcel, when you should according to Jesus following every word as law. oh wait, thats right that same bible also says “render unto ceaser what is ceasers”…of course it also says to obey gods law over mans… so many contradictions, guess all that editing they did at the Council of Nicea to get it approved got rid of all the logical aspects of it.

    And let us not forget, your holy book has incest, polygamy, rape, slavery, war, famine, genocide, and more in its pages. Heck jesus was even fine with polygamy and rape.  So please remove your head from your anal cavity and start using your brain instead of that out dated medieval mythology.

  • Anonymous

    //For you to understand, you have to read it and understand the reasons behind it.//

    Jesus was perfectly loud and clear in his intentions in this passage:
    Luke 19:27
    “But as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!”

  • Anonymous

    We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.” — George Orwell

    The truth is that homosexual acts are perilous to the body, and especially to the soul. 

    • Anonymous

      The truth is that if you’re not into homosexual sex, then don’t have it. Don’t deny others of basic human rights based on your own taste.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      //homosexual acts are perilous to the body !!!// I don’t know exactly what you mean by that. I guess you mean because of HIV.
      Well HIV is NOT exclusively a disease of the homosexuals! What about before HIV even showed up in the 80’s? Are you saying homosexuality was not perilous then? I don’t get your reasoning.
      //and especially to the soul//
      Now what you call a soul..is merely your brain at work and alive. The touchy, feely, loving side of you are actually the subjective feelings that results from hormonal, metabolic and electrical interactions inside the different regions of your coconut. Once it decides to quit working… your EEG goes flat line…it ceases to exist and you’re dead!!! No spirit goes anywhere as you like it to think and that which you had been preparing for most of your adult, miserable life. Only to end up as food for earthworms and plant fertilizer. You catholics love to capitalize on this soul business…you guys even used to sell indulgences so that someone could go to heaven. Even today one has to pay the priests to have a mass said for your dead relatives. P100 per dead relative! Imagine if you have a big family, it could easily reach more than a P1000. This pricing is from a poor, little island town. I wonder what it cost in the big city like Manila. It’s a money making business. Your church is a scrupulous manipulator of gullible minds and a power hungry,control-freak!

  • Anonymous

    sick beastshops want filipinos to stay mangmang forever… no to RH,DIVORCE,and now ANTI-DISCRIMINATION BILL??.CBCP IS A HOLY COW ,,the wealthiest,,and thousands criminal records like pedophiles rape  and many more…anung batas pa ba ang haharangin nila? the demons…..di halata ang sign ng beast sa noo ni fafa!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

    //We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.” — George Orwell//

    I think this statement by Orwell aptly applies more to you than anyone else in this forum!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vicente-Boticol/100002674898219 Vicente Boticol

    We would like to hear the erudite and eloquent reply of the Most Reverend Bishop of Sorsogon ARTURO M. BASTES SVD,  a recognized church authority on LGBT affairs. He is the newly appointed National Chaplain of LADLAD. A very appropriate appointment and designation indeed. . . if I may say so.

  • Anonymous

    To all the atheists in this thread, I give you a secular survey
    The main results of an empirical analysis of the effect of religion on happiness, based on data of the European Social Survey (ESS) covering 114,019 individuals in 24 different countries were as follows:
    1. There is a significant effect of belonging to a religion on happiness. Those who belong to a religion report higher levels of happiness than those who do not.
    2. The religion or denomination has a significant effect on happiness. Protestants, other Christian religions and Roman Catholics report higher happiness levels whereas Orthodox and Eastern religions report the lowest.
    3. There seems to be a positive relationship between how religious a person is and happiness: the more religious, the happier. However, those who consider themselves “not at all religious” (0) have comparable levels of happiness to those who give themselves a 5 in the scale of religiosity.
    4. Frequency of attendance at services is likewise positively correlated with happiness: those who attend religious services every day say they are happier than those who never attend.
    5. Frequency of prayer is positively correlated with happiness, with those who pray every day reporting higher levels of happiness than those who never pray.
    6. Frequency of attendance in services is a more relevant variable than frequency of prayer in the self-reported happiness levels.
     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

      This may be true. The suicide bombers are happy and they believe they will go directly to heaven after killings hundreds of non-believers. They are more religious than all religious denominations combined since they pray five times a day year-round and read their holy book to the exclusion of all others books. That’s how religious they are and they feel very happy and holy doing what they are made to do.

      • peach black

        sapol, dude! ha ha ha!!! 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      I would look at these results with a grain of salt. First off, the highest statistical analysis they did was a correlation. If you studied statistics, you’ll know that correlation mainly describes relationships between variables whether positive or negative. In no way it establishes causation. So these people that were surveyed could be happy for some other reasons other than their believing in a particular diety. What’s interesting is #2 not only believing in god would make someone happy but a particular brand of christianity would give you the highest level of happiness! lol Hmmmm now, I start to suspect something is hogwash here. I wonder if the Catholic church paid for this survey! Just a thought! Why are you showing these results in the first place? Are you suggesting that atheists, agnostics and secularists are not happy people? What made you think that? I think it’s the contrary! Remember, we believe that this is the only shot we have in this life, we don’t believe in afterlife. So we have to make the most of this! It is not to our advantage to be sad because of this same reason! What we are not happy about is when you make our lives miserable by insisting that we subscribe to your dogmas which you want to impose on everyone!

    • Anonymous

      So that explains why we are happier and so positive minded! He-he-he.

      Go CBCP!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        superpilipinas..is that all what you can muster now? go cbcp? I thought you have other better things to say!!!

      • Anonymous

        Yes Noli. I have said all that’s needed. So GO CBCP!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        What’re you doing there anyway? Are there even catholics there? That’s the Southern Baptist territory..part of the bible belt! Oh I was in Europe 2 years ago and I did noticed the trickle of faithfuls that go to church. That’s very noticeable in France and Spain. There were lots of tourists that I noticed in Italy, Austria, Czech republic,Hungary and Germany…mainly for cultural reasons and not necessarily to hear mass. They were there to see the interior of the church. I know coz I was one of them.

    • peach black

      may I remind you that dumb people smiles a lot? ganon sila katanga. di nila alam na miserable sila. . . ha ha ha!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XQODE2FO77XSRL7WNORTHGEKUU Eric

    this is an anti-God bill and leading our society specially family values to distraction.   

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      Eric would you kindly expound on your point? What do you exactly mean by distraction?

  • Anonymous

    @all sa thread na to na contra LGBT.. ASA PA KAYO, magagaling sa debate mga bading! wag niyo na patulan, mapapahiya lang kayo.. hahahaah

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Dapat ang mga gay na pari paalisin din sa pagka pari, if this is what they want, which is to perpetuate discrimination because of sex orientation

  • Anonymous

    o diba… hahha gagaling pa magenglish.. 

  • Anonymous

    CBCP : please keep your religion out of government.
    —————————————————————————-
    Philippine Constitution: Article 2 Section 6 .
    THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE SHALL BE INVIOLABLE. ————————————————————–
    Philippine Constitution: Article 3 Section 5
    NO LAW SHALL BE MADE RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, or
    prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment
    of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or
    preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be
    required for the exercise of civil or political rights.

    —————————————————————————————————–
    The Philippines is a secular country and not theocratic as you want it to be.

    How dare you CBCP discriminate in an Anti-Discrimination Bill!

    REMINDER TO CBCP : YOUR RELIGION IS NOT MY GOVERNMENT.

    This is not a theocratic country.
    Keep your superstitions, dubious morals and bronze age rules OUT of our laws.

    THE PHILIPPINES IS A SECULAR COUNTRY.

    I am a citizen of this secular country.
    I am not part of your religion.
    You want to impose on me and others who do not subscribe to your religion.

    SECULAR FREEDOM IS FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.

    WE DEMAND FREEDOM FROM YOUR RELIGION!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X7M6CV4PPNSWBYAQAU2AY7FPQ4 alan

    People, what the law only covers is equal protection for the inherently discriminated against. On its own merit, is that a good law? From a non religious, purely lay perspective, that is just an affirmation of the state’s duty to guarantee the bill of rights. From a religious (ie Christian) perspective, its is just a translation of the second greatest commandment to love your neighbor. When Jesus said that, he didn’t say love your neighbor except the LGBT… and loving your neighbor includes protecting his rights. Lets also not be alarmist, this is giving basic rights protection, this is not allowing same-sex marriage or civil recognition of same-sex partnership.

    I read below ANOTHERPERSON’s comment saying that as far as he knows, there is no such discrimination against gays in the Philippines, what he only knows of are murder occurences on gay people. Doesnt he know? Murder is the ultimate manifestation of discrimination!!!

    The CBCP (I would put them as a separate entity from the Catholic Church) is acting in paranaoia in opposing the bill for the protection of the inherently discrimnated against or of those who wouldnt have the recourse to law.

  • peach black

    ang saya-saya sa thread pag maraming DELUSIONAL, ha ha ha!!!!
    what can be more hilarious than ZOMBIES (dead people rising from the dead on the third day) and TALKING SNAKES. ang saya-saya!!! mga hibang!!!! ha ha ha ha!!!!

  • Ricardo Boncan

    Read it again my friend. The Separation of Church and State protects people from religious persecution. It does not say that religious views may not have their opinion in the public square. The Philippines is not a secular country idiot, read the preamble:

    “We, the sovereign Filipino people, imploring the aid of Almighty God, in order to build a just and humane society and establish a Government that shall embody our ideals and aspirations, promote the common good, conserve and develop our patrimony, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of independence and democracy under the rule of law and a regime of truth, justice, freedom, love, equality, and peace, do ordain and promulgate this Constitution.” 

    Secular? see the reference to God. Sheeeesh!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      So it’s because there’s a mention of God once in the preamble, makes the Philippines NOT a secular country? Wow… I hope you’re not a constitutional lawyer. I’ll start to worry!

      • Ricardo Boncan

        what part of IMPLORING THE HELP OF ALMIGHTY GOD don’t you understand? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        If we’re not a secular country..why would we bother about having provisions on the separation of church and state? And why would we call the our country the Republic of the Philippines and not the Catholic Republic of the Philippines? Dude..you’re the kind of person that should never be given a chance to enact laws. Because even now you already have a delusion that the Philippines is some form of a theocracy. If I follow your logic since the US also mention god in the preamble..it is safe to say that the USA is not a secular country! Tell that to the US Supreme Court. Geesh!!!

  • http://www.progressph.blogspot.com Erik

    Ricardo, your science is off base (as a biologist I can assure you of that), but I do agree with you about the portrayal of LGBTs in Philippine entertainment.  I cringe every time I see gay men (typically the flamboyant, cross-dressing transgenders) being the brunt of jokes and treated like circus clowns.  There is no dignity or respect in that.  It is a cultural issue that seems to be largely persistent in Asian countries.  It is truly sad that gay Filipinos are not treated as normal and accepted members of society, but rather as misfits and freaks.  God didn’t set that disrespect in place, and nature didn’t dictate it — culture did.

    • Anonymous

      I agree totally. the ‘self righteousness’ ingrained in this culture has turned many to be such hypocrites. A hypocrisy so self deceiving that their ‘self-righteousness’ allows them to disrespect the LGBT’s so sincerely that they believe it is their entitlement to do so.
      It is sad and must change.

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Like how is it self-righteous? Please explain.

      • Anonymous

        “Like how is it self-righteous? Please explain.” -Ricardo Boncan

        You are a fine example of such, Ricardo Boncan,
        Take a good look at yourself. . . objectively…
        what you are, what you say , your points of view …
        you might understand how it is so and what it means.

        . . . Now, do you understand ?
        …self – righteousness and how you fit nicely into the mould ?

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Self-righteous means not practicing what you preach. what part of what I am saying is being a hypocrite? I am against homosexual behavior and same sex marriage but that in no way means that I do not care for homosexuals. In fact, a simple analogy can be made: I am against adultery  and divorce but that is only because I care for the married couples themselves. Why can’t you understand that I can actually care for someone without accepting something which I think is in a disordered situation? What is self righteous about that? If any, you want to have me sweepingly accept something that I do not agree to be good so you are the one who is trying to make a hypocrite out of me. I think you’re the one who doesn’t understand the meaning of self-righteousness!

      • Anonymous

        Kindly check the actual definitions  of the words Ricardo Boncan. You are confusing it with hypocrisy, though closely related are still different.

        It is quite clear with your replies that you do not see yourself, objectively. Just in case you are in the medical arena of sorts, you may ask your colleagues in the right field of science to help you out with your dissonance.

        And hopefully you do not harm others with your brand of ‘caring’.

        Good luck and have a pleasant evening.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        If this guy works in the medical field..I would be scared to even meet him, considering his so many biases. I hope he’s not a physician or someting like that.

      • Anonymous

        Yes Noli, I certainly would hope the same thing as you do.  It would be scary to be under his ‘care’.

      • Ricardo Boncan

        And you see yourself objectively? 

  • Anonymous

    wow being gay is a choice? i didn’t know sexuality worked like that. 

    • Ricardo Boncan

      What is it an instinct? Are you a freaking baboon?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //What is it an instinct? Are you a freaking baboon?//
        Hahahahaha..he thinks he’s all that!  All macho and trying to raise his voice laced with insults to gain an upper hand!!! Dude this is no sumo wrestling that you can scare your opponent by mere posturing!!! This is actually a civil discussion of issues with paramount importance if you don’t already know that! What a haughty, air head, religious fanatic brat!!! Get lost!!! :-)

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Who are controlled by instincts but animals. Humans have choices we have the intelligence for that. WE have reason. To say we have no choice on sexual preference is to equate us with animals. I asked a fair question. Would it be different if I asked, what are you an animal? Okay then what are you an animal? You missed the point BUb! Civil discourse… haughty, religious fanatic, air head… you call yourself civil? LOL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        I hurled those to you only after you called someone idiots and freaking baboon. As i’ve said you don’t expect a decent, amicable response if you yourself is a…. a. h. !!! You reap what you sow! You heard me said ” Catholics are liar” I don’t know what you didn’t understand a word there. So you yeah I said those! Just look at how you twisted what just happened. Now you’re accusing the guy that his statement is condescending. Now I don’t see any condescension in this statement one bit “wow being gay is a choice? i didn’t know sexuality worked like that.” He’s stating a fact..it’s a neutral statement and is not directed to anyone.
        However your response to him was!! Big Time – “What’re you..a freakin baboon?” You even embelished it by adding the modifier freakin for maximal impact! See how you just twisted what happened and deflected the blame to the guy. This is exactly what you guys are known for!

      • Ricardo Boncan

        So be it then. But this proves one thing, you’re true colors are coming out. Did you even understand my explanation about the baboon? I asked him a question, regarding his statement on instinct and choice. I didn’t call him one. Why is your reasoning so skewed?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        I wonder whose true colors are coming out! I know exactly that you’re trying to accomplish by saying that statement to him. 1. to answer his question 2. to demean him so he looks/sound stupid. You had the choice of wording the statement in a neutral way. You could have said like.. Why do you think ..we’re animals? something to that effect. If that’s your attitude..people will ignore you big time!!!

        Please read again the whole paragraph and find the word condescension…

        //Regarding the baboon, I didn’t call him a baboon, I asked him if he was one given what he implied that humans cannot make choices, quoting his condescension: “wow being gay is a choice? i didn’t know sexuality worked like that.”//

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Well you know what, you still have not answered my questions. Anytime soon would be good.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        Dude I am done with you! You go talk to your fellow Defensores Fidei (Defenders of Faith)members and the corrupt Mitshubishops of the CBCP!!! If you guys envision of attracting faithfuls that went astray back to the fold…maybe …just maybe you need to learn how to talk in christian way and not some haugthy, holier than thou tone or else expect the continued exodus of your followers!!!

      • Ricardo Boncan

        Oh so now you even researched about our foundation, good for you. I refuse to be muzzled by the militant unbelievers who think that just because they can make a lot of noise and plead “tolerance” albeit wrongly all the time, that everything is morally acceptable.  

  • Anonymous

    There are many attacking the Pope specifically, and the Roman Catholic Church generally, because of the sex abuse crisis. However, these individuals and organizations are not motivated by a desire to enlighten mankind or protect the innocent, since the crisis has already largely subsided, and stringent means have been enacted to prevent the abuse from reoccurring. Rather, the motivation appears to be more one of bigotry and a desire to muzzle and sideline the Church’s moral opposition to the “gay rights” movement.

    • Ricardo Boncan

      Exactly and until the arguments transcend the typical attacks and ad hominems against CAtholics and the church, there can never be truth in the discussion as exemplified by the above!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

      lol….”crisis has already largely subsided”? There’s alot to be mined out there. Besides I think alot of the perpetrators have not been put to jail yet and the victims compensated! Boston Archdiocese almost went brankrupt, I wonder what would happen in Ireland. More cases in the US are not settled yet! However I partly agree with you in last sentence..about  “to muzzle and sideline the church. But bigotry I don’t think so. You guys are the one with a preconceived ideas about how everyone should act and believe even if a lot of people don’t agree. I think you guys receive those painful words hurled back at you mainly as a retaliation. You guys are getting too agressive and loves to meddle in the governmenst’s affair without regards whether or not that’s what the greater number of the citizenry want. If you read the Defensores Fidei’s Manifesto..you will be scared. It sounds like a Taliban manifesto. That… we don’t want to happen to the Philippines ..a secular country. Ours is NOT The Catholic Republic of the Philippines and neither its the extension of the Vatican/Holy See. We don’t want anything to have to do with that!!

      • Anonymous

        Of course you do not want to have to do with anything catholic.  You are an atheist.

        I like the people behind Defensores Fidei.  They are fanatics yes, but fanatics with an unabashed, uncompromising, and profound commitment to Christ.

        Mabuhay kayo sa Defensores Fidei!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        You like them because they are created purposely for defending the Catholic faith…no brainer there! If you look at their website and read their manifesto, it sounds like we’re back to the Crusades and the Inquisition days!!! Even the ensignia or coat of arms…it’s a shield with a white background and a red cross..just like what the Crusaders used to have!!! They themselves awknowledge that there is exodus of catholics from the church for the past 20 years..hence they created this organization!!!

        Now why have we not heard about Mormons, Jehovah;s witnesses, Iglesia ni Kristo, SDA, etc being maligned and aggressively despised? It’s because those people just do their own thing. They don’t try to influence the laws of the land with dogmas and beliefs. They don’t meddle in the government affairs! So everyone just leaves them alone! But you guys…oh no! You claim to have a special place in the Phil history and that we been here since the very beginning and therefore demands entitlements and be given a special privilege. (Which by the way they claim not by force or sword..but by the missionaries) LOL. What’s the difference…those 2 groups worked side by side each other. I say it’s a 500 year old vestige of Imperialsim imported from Spain. By the way, the exporter has long moved on! Catholicism in Spain is now rapidly dwindling. Have you heard of the Bustamante murder? Those religious orders friars killed Governor General Bustamante and his son..because he imprisoned the Archbishop of Manila for cajooling/protecting those citizens who didn’t wanna pay taxes. LOL Sounds familiar to you? We need leaders and public officials just like Governer General Bustamente who would not bow down and acquiesce to these power hungry, control-freak fanatics!!! And they accuse other faiths that theres is the only one TRUE faith. Hahahaha…that’s why not every religion agrees with each other because each one try to wrestle to gain the upper hand.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPG3NOLZRSGA36VH7ZYZHDNQFY Noli

        //I like the people behind Defensores Fidei.  They are fanatics yes, but fanatics with an unabashed, uncompromising, and profound commitment to Christ.//

        Hahaha…you like anything and everything catholic! So I’m not surprised! Thanks for admitting they’re uncompromising fanatics!!! That’s exactly why we don’t want any of their influence in policy making and the workings of our goverment! They’re our country’s equivalent of the Talibans!!! This is the very reason why religion clouds people’s mind! It makes their perspective so narrow, to the point they are not willing to consider other’s view point even if that means trampling on other’s rights, needs and feelings!

      • Anonymous

        There is no question who we should choose if given a choice between fanatics for Christ like the apostles and the saints and fanatics of their own beliefs like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and many others with an atheist mindset.

      • Caleb_A

        There’s a major difference you’re missing though… the apostles and early Christians were passionate about Christ through the example of the life they led.  They didn’t seek to pass laws against anyone, or force anyone to comply with their religious opinions.  They loved others around them, as Christ taught them too.  And not all atheists are like the men you mentioned, by the way.  Hitler wasn’t an atheist at all, he was a professing Christian.  He was a very conservative moralist who often cited Bible verses and sought to preserve the ‘traditional values of Germany’ (e.g. he passed laws against homosexuality, interracial marriage, prostitution, and even night clubs).

      • Anonymous

        How could a persecuted group like the early christians force anyone to comply with their opinion much more to pass laws?

        Hitler a Christian? Where did you get that idea? Maybe he was born to a christian family, occasionally says he is Christian when it is advantageous but did obey Christ?

        Hitler is Christian by birth but atheist by choice.

      • Caleb_A

        Hitler was a Catholic and intended to become a priest when he was young.  He never left the church but started dabbling in occultism during his days in power.  Certainly he didn’t obey Christ, but neither do many Christians obey Christ today.  He called himself a Christian, that’s my point, and he used religious words about morality and Christian values in his speeches.  He wasn’t an atheist.

        The early Christians wouldn’t have chosen to force anyone to do anything even if they could have.  Look at Jesus, he could have forced everyone to obey him by the snap of his finger.  His example (of compassion, grace, and unconditional love) is the example he gave us.  Not persecuting gays and lesbians, condemning them, judging them, and passing laws against them.

      • Anonymous

        If you say that Hitler is a Catholic based on your standard of what a catholic is, then who am I to question your standard.

        Please consider that God gave us the freedom to choose so why would He take away that same freedom to force us to obey him. 

      • Anonymous

        //If you say that Hitler is a Catholic based on your standard of what a catholic is, then who am I to question your standard.//

        Its bleedingly obvious that Hitler was a Catholic, AND was motivated by his own faith to commit his atrocities. Let’s hear it from the man himself:

        “The best characterization is provided by the product of this
        religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this
        world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity
        as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder
        of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of
        his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he
        even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this
        adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion
        nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return,
        Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians
        debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and
        later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish
        parties– and this against their own nation.
        -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)”

      • Caleb_A

        Friend, that is my point exactly.  God gave us free will and would never take that freedom away.  He would never force anyone to do anything.  And we who are Christians are called to mimic Jesus in everything we do.

        If God refuses to force anyone to obey him, why should we, as his followers, force anyone to obey him or our individual interpretation of his laws?  That is not our place as Christians.

      • Anonymous

        So you are saying that Christians should not impose their morality on other people but it is ok for other people to impose their immorality on us?

        Morality aside, it is truth that we should seek. Whether the idea is from a christian or even an atheist, if it is true and would benefit the common good, society should be bound by it.

        The RH Bill is clearly not beneficial to our country.

      • Anonymous

        //So you are saying that Christians should not impose their morality on other people but it is ok for other people to impose their immorality on us?//

        Why do you think people who do not share your views would be imposing “immorality” on you? And what exactly do you mean by immorality? If you’re referring to use of condoms, IUDs, OCPs as immoral…no one would be shoving those methods down your throat. You have all the option to do what you wanna do. But you cannot deny anyone who wishes to use them because your religion said so!

        //Morality aside, it is truth that we should seek. Whether the idea is from a christian or even an atheist, if it is true and would benefit the common good, society should be bound by it. //

        Society should be guided by ethics and not on some religious morality.

      • Anonymous

        Do you think it is wise for me to discuss morality with an atheist? Morality is based on a standard set by God. Ethics is set by men so if we disagree, it is only a matter of difference in opinion.

      • Anonymous

        I dunno why you insist it came from god, when actually it was written by some uneducated people long time ago!

      • Anonymous

        //Morality aside, it is truth that we should seek. Whether the idea is
        from a christian or even an atheist, if it is true and would benefit the
        common good, society should be bound by it.

        The RH Bill is clearly not beneficial to our country.//

        If you’re so eager to seek the truth, then why do you consantly deny the large body of research out there that confirms that a comprehensive RH program has been beneficial in reducing maternal complications, fatalities, and abortions?

        You’re not seeking the truth – you only hear what you want to hear.

      • Anonymous

        The only way the RH program can reducing maternal complications, fatalities, and abortions is when it prevents pregnancy. No pregnancy = no maternal deaths.

        Other than that, contraceptives have been proven to cause cancer, fatal blood clots, high blood pressure and even increases the chance of contracting HIV.

        A recent New York Times article provided one more reason that contraception-happy regions are facing a higher AIDS rate: namely, that one of the most popular forms of hormonal contraception (known in the US under the brand name Depo-Provera) is actually increasing the spread the AIDS:

        The most popular contraceptive for women in eastern and southern Africa, a hormone shot given every three months, appears to double the risk the women will become infected with H.I.V., according to a large study published. And when it is used by H.I.V.-positive women, their male partners are twice as likely to become infected than if the women had used no contraception.

      • Anonymous

        lol..did you read the whole article? I don’t know if you didn’t see it or consciously ignored it that those who used Depo-Provera, condom use, which protect someone from HIV is considerably much lower. So obviously this is an issue of education more than the effect of the medicine. They should have been made to understand that a pill or injection that prevents pregnancy won’t protect them from acquiring HIV.

      • Anonymous

        Do condoms offer 100% protection against HIV? Even the CDC warns that condoms do not provide absolute protection.

        Condoms give 80% protection against HIV infection. If you use it a number of times with an HIV infected person your chances of contracting HIV is the same as one who had a single encounter with HIV infected person without a condom.

        Even through common sense a person would know that a pill or injection will not protect them from acquiring HIV unless they were misled. What contraceptive does is to promote promiscuity which in turn increases their chances of acquiring STDs

      • Anonymous

        80% efficacy is very high in therapuetic parlance. Did you know that the statins taken to lower cholesteral has efficacy of only 25%. So why do you think people bother taking them? It’s coz 25% is better than 0%!!!

      • Anonymous

        OK. If you advise your friends to use condoms because it gives you 80% protection against HIV infection instead of be faithful to your partner because it is the only guraranteed way to avoid HIV then I really have no right to meddle in your affairs.

        I am glad none of my relatives are your friend.

      • Anonymous

        ABC is part of sex education in the RH bill. So yeah, we don’t disagree about abstinence. But you cannot possibly tell everyone that and be assured that they stick to it. That’s impossible! So we also advocate other means like condom. And who I am to stop you and your relative to only stick to abstinence if they can do that why not?

      • Anonymous

        //OK. If you advise your friends to use condoms because it gives you 80%
        protection against HIV infection instead of be faithful to your partner
        because it is the only guraranteed way to avoid HIV then I really have
        no right to meddle in your affairs.//

        Now you’re putting words in my mouth.

        I stated that a comprehensive AIDs program encourages responsible condom use as much as remaining loyal to one partner and abstaining. I did not say that one can only choose one course of action.

      • Anonymous

        //Do condoms offer 100% protection against HIV? Even the CDC warns that condoms do not provide absolute protection.

        Condoms
        give 80% protection against HIV infection. If you use it a number of
        times with an HIV infected person your chances of contracting HIV is the
        same as one who had a single encounter with HIV infected person without
        a condom.

        Even through common sense a person would know that a pill or injection
        will not protect them from acquiring HIV unless they were misled. What
        contraceptive does is to promote promiscuity which in turn increases
        their chances of acquiring STDs //

        It’s a strawman fallacy to assume that condoms alone will work in preventing AIDs.

        Any comprehensive AIDs program will teach people the ABS: Abstinence, Be Faithful, and use a Condom.

        The same goes for contraceptives – you don’t just distribute them. You have to provide access to education for the people to enable them to full understand their options, and which ones work for their circumstances.

        As for the promiscuity claim, do you any studies that back your statement? Because the Center for Disease Control and the Guttmacher Institute find the opposite to be true. Removing comprehensive sex education and imposing an abstinence-only policy has been found to increase the incidences of STDs and teen pregnancies in several conservative states.

        Ask Mississippi. Ask Texas. Both states only use abstinence-only in schools, and the former currently has among the highest numbers of STDs and pregnancies in the US.

      • Anonymous

        I though you are a solid Pro-RH guy but now you are an ABS advocate.

        I do not know about the situation in Mississippi and Texas. Give me some time to check. What I do know is that in countries where the use of contraceptives is promoted by the government, they also saw an increase in STD. Society suffers as well. They saw an increase in divorce rates, single parent households and marital infidelity.

        I assume you live in the US. Do you not see this in the land of Roe Vs. Wade?

      • Anonymous

        // What I do know is that in countries where the use of contraceptives is
        promoted by the government, they also saw an increase in STD.//

        Can you cite any specific examples?

        // Society suffers as well. They saw an increase in divorce rates, single parent households and marital infidelity.//

        And once again, I suggest you take a closer look at the Bible Belt. The highest incidences of single parents, divorce rates, and marita infidelity occur in the Southern States, where conservatives values hold sway.

        If there is anything we can learn from this, it’s that your own values are the root cause of the very vices you are against.

      • Anonymous

        //Other than that, contraceptives have been
        proven to cause cancer, fatal blood clots, high blood pressure and even
        increases the chance of contracting HIV.//

        Cite your sources before making extravagant claims like that. While there is a slight risk of complications when one uses contraceptives, these can be avoided be selecting the appropriate OC that’s ideal for a woman’s physiology. Ergo, the need for proper education on their use.

        And furthermore, while OCs have been known to increase a person’s breast cancer risk (NOT cause), certain types have also been proven to decrease the risk of cervical cancer.

        //A recent New York Times article provided one more reason that
        contraception-happy regions are facing a higher AIDS rate: namely, that
        one of the most popular forms of hormonal contraception (known in the US
        under the brand name Depo-Provera) is actually increasing the spread
        the AIDS://

        You’re referring to last October’s article covering how a study indicates that hormonal (injected) contraceptives were found to increase AIDs risk in Africa. While that is true, you’ve intentionally left out the other half of what the researchers themselves should be done in light of their findings:

        //But there are no simple solutions, the authors acknowledge. Any warning
        against such a popular contraceptive method may not only increase
        complications from pregnancy but increase H.I.V. transmission, too,
        since pregnancy itself may raise a woman’s risk of H.I.V. infection.

        First, the researchers and others say, greater emphasis should be placed on condom use along with hormonal methods. Some experts, like Dr. Morrison, favor a randomized controlled trial for
        more definitive proof, but others question how to “randomize women who
        may have strong preferences about their contraception,” he added.

        Dr. Ludo Lavreys, an epidemiologist who led one of the first studies to
        link injectable contraceptives to increased H.I.V. risk, said
        intrauterine devices, implants and other methods should be explored and
        expanded. “Before you stop” recommending injectables, he said, “you have
        to offer them something else.”//

        Do you see any of the researchers arguing for the total ban of contraceptives or sex education? Quite the opposite – they know that promoting education can help reduce the risk.

        Once again, just_anotherperson, we’ve caught you lying through your teeth.

      • Anonymous

        I do not need to cite sources because people can search the internet. Also, unlike you, ordinary people like myself cannot post links in Inquirer.

        Cervical cancer will not happen if both spouses are faithful to each other. Also, there are a number of viruses that causes cervical cancer. No vaccine can offer 100% protection against cervical cancer.

        Although you added your comments on injectibles, you did not refute that injectibles increases the changes of contracting HIV. I thank you for your candor. Still, the fact remains that there is no contraceptive product that offers 100% protection against HIV infection.

        Also, I have not seen or read about a person or organization pushing for the use of condoms as protection against HIV but at the same time warning them that is is only 80% effective against AIDS.

      • Anonymous

        Very few in this world assures you 100% performance/results all the time. Even airplanes that undergo regular, rigorous checks and maintenance, some of them still fall from the sky.

        There are 2 types of HVP vaccine out there..one covers 4 most virulent strains HPV 6, 11, 16, 18(Gardasil), the other only covers 2 HPV 16, 18(Cervarix). Actually you could acquire the virus even before marriage. When teenagers/young adults start having bf/gf and start having intimacy..that’s how they acquire them. And let’s not be naive and idealistic because whether we like or not these things happen. So we therefore need to protect them. Now they are also pushing for young boys to get this as well because they could be a carrier and transmit the virus to others..or if they’re doing some other stuff like oral s-x they also need to be protected. The surge of head and neck cancers rates is believed to be related to HVP virus infection.

      • Anonymous

        Here in the Philippines we are beginning to see advocates of mandatory HPV vaccination for adolescents.

        But do we hear them explain that the HPV virus can only be transmitted sexually? That even if they are vaccinated, they can still get HPV, even from the same strains included in the vaccine? That only the most recent strains are included in the vaccine? That women still need to have their annual pap smear even if vaccinated? That some women have adverse reactions from the vaccine?

        In their eagerness to sell vaccines, pharma companies will only disclose their selling points lulling our youth to a false sense of security that they will not ever be infected by the HPV virus even if they or their partner are sexually active.
        No parent would want to expose their children risk so I understand why some would want to have their children vaccinated, but witholding information can also be quite risky for the child.

        Chastity before marriage and fidelity during marriage is still the best way to enjoy life.

      • Anonymous

        Actually that is not true! Every time a medical professional, be it a nurse, a midwife or a physician provides/administers particular treatment, it’s in their professional responsibility to explain to the patient the indication for the treatment, the action, the side-effects, what to do if there are side-effects and seek/answer further questions the patient may have, before they can  give the treatment. These should all be done in the language that the person can understand.If the patient upon hearing all these do not agree or is not comfortable, then they have the right to refuse. That is called Informed Consent.

      • Anonymous

        I was talking about mandatory vaccination for adolescents.

      • Anonymous

        Any treatment, injections, vaccination, oral medications, surgery – minor/major…should follow that format. That’s part of the professional responsibility of a medical professional! Otherwise they could be sued for battery and negligence!!!

      • Anonymous

        //I was talking about mandatory vaccination for adolescents.//

        Give me one good reason why denying vital medical assistance to kids should not be considered child abuse.

      • Anonymous

        //Chastity before marriage and fidelity during marriage is still the best way to enjoy life//

        In the ideal world, that should be the case! Whoever can keep their chastity before and fidelity during marriage is most welcome. No one is going to prevent them from doing it. However, that’s not what’s going on out there in the real world. You have to provide some safety net for anybody who cannot follow those virtues!

      • Anonymous

         Just because we cannot be good does not mean we have to abandon it.

      • Anonymous

        As i’ve said, no one will prosecute anyone who would want to try to follow those virtues that you’re pushing for. And they even have the option to refuse the vaccine if they don’t want it. That’s how a free society operates which i’m sure you already know!

      • antonioluna

        would i be offensive if i relate this argument to those rapist priests, they should be the foundation of this virtue as they claim they are but some of them indulge in sex without faltering then how much more the ordinary people, again no offense to everyone.

      • Anonymous

        Antonioluna…i’m not even gonna say anything about your rejoinders anymore coz i’m worried i’ll misunderstand them again!

      • antonioluna

        don’t worry i’ll make it clearer this time hehehe

      • Anonymous

        //But do we hear them explain that the HPV virus can only be transmitted
        sexually? That even if they are vaccinated, they can still get HPV,
        even from the same strains included in the vaccine? That only the most
        recent strains are included in the vaccine? That women still need to
        have their annual pap smear even if vaccinated? That some women have
        adverse reactions from the vaccine?//

        All the more reason for education. Section 13 of the RH Bill should cover this.

      • Anonymous

        //Other than that, contraceptives have been proven to cause cancer, fatal
        blood clots, high blood pressure and even increases the chance of
        contracting HIV.//

        Cupcake, pregnancies increase the risk of strokes, high blood pressure, and HIV infection far more than contraceptives.

      • Anonymous

        //Other than that, contraceptives have been proven to cause cancer, fatal blood clots, high blood pressure and even increases the chance of contracting HIV//.

        And so does every other conceivable medicines out there. Pretty much any medicine has side effects.

      • Anonymous

        //If God refuses to force anyone to obey him, why should we, as his
        followers, force anyone to obey him or our individual interpretation of
        his laws? //

        Well, if you really want to be a stickler for biblical teachings, yes.

        Numbers 31: 1-7
        31:1
        And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

        31:2
        Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

        31:3
        And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the
        war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.

        31:4
        Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye
        send to the war.

        31:5
        So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of
        every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

        31:6
        And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and
        Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy
        instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.

        31:7
        And they warred against
        the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

      • Anonymous

        //Hitler is Christian by birth but atheist by choice.//

        just_anotherperson, before you embarrass yourself any further, I suggest you read Adolf’s Mein Kampf, and his speaches at the Reichstag. None of your baseless conjecture and pleading will change the facts.

      • Anonymous

        //Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and many others with an atheist mindset.//

        Actually, if you look at their regimes, you’ll find the following characteristics:

        1. A personality-cult like leadership that demands blind, absolute obedience from its followers.

        2. Zero tolerance for any ideology or individual that is not considered to be acceptable to its dogma.

        3. The suppression of the right to free speech, and violent reprisals to those who speak out.

        4. A fear of science and technology, and progressive ideas.

        It’s funny that you claim that atheism motivated their actions of these monsters, when the characteristics their regimes exhibited are closer to that of a theocracy.

      • Anonymous

        ///I like the people behind Defensores Fidei.  They are fanatics yes, but
        fanatics with an unabashed, uncompromising, and profound commitment to
        Christ//

        I’ve met their members. It’s hard to take a group like that seriously then they;re blindly adherent to groups like NARTH, an anti-gay think tank that has zero-credibility in the medical community.

        And furthermore, fanatics are never fun.

        //but
        fanatics with an unabashed, uncompromising, and profound commitment to
        Christ//

        So if they decide to start killing people in God’s name, I assume you won’t mind? The only difference between them and the likes of Al Qaeda and the Taliban is that they never had the balls to carry guns or bombs. Yet.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPHC7MRCCLS3CE7UCLPKCHRTU Anonymous

    If sexual preference is a choice, I challenge straight people here to change their sexual preference even for just a day, have sex with someone of the same gender, and actually like the experience.

    The problem with these “moral and righteous” people is that they think that the fundamental human rights, and dignity and worth of the human person regardless of sexual orientation only applies to them.  The person we love and what we do in the privacy of our bedroom do not stripped us of that very same basic human rights.

  • http://twitter.com/mrcolrnzo Marco Lorenzo Ferrer

    someone got PWNED

  • http://twitter.com/jaesmane Jae Esmane ▲

    Sometimes we just have to accept change. And I think it is stated in our Constitution that the Philippines doesn’t have a national religion, right? So i guess the Catholic church need not always to sublate what is being discussed in the senate.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm =  the solution may be to have all laws cleansed of Catholic dogma –  a separation of State and church is required by the constitution and not everyone in the Philippines is catholic.  This would be a good starting point.  Should establish a Blue Ribbon Committee of non catholics to determine the laws that need to be fixed (cleansed).

  • Anonymous

    AntonioPeYangIII…thanks for holding down the fort! You did a very good job! :-)

  • Anonymous

    /So you are saying that Christians should not impose their morality on
    other people but it is ok for other people to impose their immorality on
    us?//

    And how exactly is the bill going to “impose” its morality on you? Does is stop you from practicing your preferred birth control methods?

  • Caleb_A

    This discussion is not about the RH Bill, it is about the anti-discrimination bill.  I fully agree that we should seek the truth, which is why we are compelled to hear what science has to say on the matter and then draw our own informed conclusions from there. 

    Giving citizens protection against discrimination is not an imposition of “immorality,” it is a defense of the civil rights of all Filipinos. You will not be forced to become gay, have gay sex against your will, or even start approving of homosexuality if this bill passes. Come on, surely you’re smarter than that.

    • antonioluna

      irregardless of what science has to say about homosexuality RCC should leave this matter to our government and civil society, my opinion on homosexuality may differ from the rests but discrimination and racism don’t have a place in a civilized world, let the government pass laws needed in our times without undue influence from any fanatics institution.

      • Anonymous

        antonioluna…are you flipfloping or what? Now if I understand you correctly, are you now approving that this bill be passed! Am I correct?

      • antonioluna

        huh?did you read my first post in this thread?while you were emotionally busy reading my post about how i see homosexuality as a disease you miserably miss the other side,only gay flip flops.

      • Anonymous

        Why don’t you just say your ideas in Tagalog maybe people won’t misunderstand you! You’re trying so hard speaking in english..but the grammar is so bad the jest of whatever you’re trying to convey is completely lost! It’s convoluted and always comes out sounding ridiculous!

      • antonioluna

        i told you already, its same format whether in english or tagalog hehehe

      • Caleb_A

        Dude, you just agreed with me.  That’s my point as well:  keep religion out of the equation (including the meddling CBCP) and allow the secular government to protect and defend the rights of ALL Filipinos…not just the straight Catholic ones.  I’m glad you’ve seen the light, antonioluna!

      • antonioluna

        dude, you should read my first post in this thread, i did not agree with you because it is my stand from the very beginning, anyway we are on the same side regarding civil rights, whether third sex or not it should be equal.

  • Anonymous

    ‎”You do not have the right to force your religion on others. You do not have the right to discriminate against those who do not practice your religion. To discriminate against someone for not practicing your religion is religious discrimination.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-keppler/religious-discrimination-macys-transgender-woman_b_1137472.html)

  • Anonymous

    Hahahahaha..debating with antonioluna..is like pulling your teeth!!!! LOL

    • antonioluna

      that’s how it is when you lack common sense, you seem to have difficulties in understanding simple postings.

      • Anonymous

        Only your posting! I don’t have problem understanding just_anotherperson! He speaks clearly! He even outlines his points! So just you..i am having hard time following it!

  • http://twitter.com/ygrrec dr. mieber/mememon

    being homosexual/transgendered isn’t a choice. why would anyone choose to be discriminated against? 
    besides, we are, first and foremost, FILIPINOS, not just Christians. this bill would benefit all Filipinos, Christian or not. 

  • Anonymous

    We are all born with weaknesses, a direct result of our fallen natures.

    We can deal with these weaknesses in one of two ways. We can accept them as crosses given to us by God, and we can glorify His Name by struggling to overcome them with the aid of His grace. Or we can simply give in and use the “born that way” excuse, the weak and cowardly road that is a vote of no confidence in God’s grace and its ability to save us.

    A person can have a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Yet our spouses do not accept the “born that way” excuse if we arrive home drunk every night. Kleptomania may indeed also be genetic, yet no court in the world has ever accepted the “born that way” excuse as a defense against shoplifting charges.

    Alcoholics and those tempted to steal can be good and holy priests — just so long as they recognize their weaknesses, avoid near occasions of sin, and fight to overcome them on a daily basis with the help of God’s grace. Men who are sexually attracted to women or to other men can also become saintly priests — but only if they do not give in to temptation and act out their desires.

    • Anonymous

      Again, you keep looking at this issue in your own religious context! I hope you realize by now that not everyone shares in that belief. Not everyone even believe in a god. So you cannot expect that people see those issues the way you see them.

      Interestingly, I’m amazed that you equate alcoholism and kleptomania to homosexuality. Both of those are included in the current DSM-IV TR as mental disorders that have known psychopathology with specific treatments. Homosexuality is NOT. Alcoholism is an addictive disorder that has both genetic and environmental causes, whereas kleptomania belongs to the obsessive-compulsive disorders. So you cannot lump homosexuality with these other 2 because you said so! That will be ignorance on your part. You might wanna use prayers and denial as treatment but it’s a deservice and unethical to a person to deny him/her that option because you think it can be suppressed by just believing in a god. That’s like tantamount to withholding a much needed blood transfusion to a severely anemic or hemorrhaging child of a Jehova’s witness because Jehova said so and his/her parent agree. And by the way that’s a crime! That’s endangering a child. The child can be taken from their custody and parents be put in jail!

    • Anonymous

      //A person can have a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Yet
      our spouses do not accept the “born that way” excuse if we arrive home
      drunk every night. Kleptomania may indeed also be genetic, yet no court
      in the world has ever accepted the “born that way” excuse as a defense
      against shoplifting charges.

      Alcoholics and those tempted to
      steal can be good and holy priests — just so long as they recognize
      their weaknesses, avoid near occasions of sin, and fight to overcome
      them on a daily basis with the help of God’s grace. Men who are sexually
      attracted to women or to other men can also become saintly priests —
      but only if they do not give in to temptation and act out their desires.//

      And once again, you’re trying to equate homosexuality with mental illness. Can you cite how being gay is somehow disruptive to society?

      • Anonymous

        You are putting your own ideas in what I wrote by saying that I am equating same sex attraction with mental illness. Nowhere did I allude to anyone having mental sickness.

        The mentally ill are in bondage of sickness, not in bondage to sin.

      • Caleb_A

        And you’re in bondage to ignorance and fear.

      • Vince B

        actually bondage to stupidity and ignorance

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        //The mentally ill are in bondage of sickness, not in bondage to sin.//

        And who gives a flying buck what you think is sinful or not?

  • Vince B

    wow this thread has been going on over the weekend. you guys must enjoy this too much.

    now justanother_moron is a vaccine denialist. i love it where they can never post how vaccines failed badly.

    @tamumd its useless arguing with that guy. the best you can do is make fun of him or show the rest of the world how moronical he is. welcome to be PDI!

    be sure to get to know mang teban, bgcorg and ianpatrick. resident katolibans and 100% detached from reality.

    • Anonymous

      :-) Thanks for the heads up! I think I’ve met a couple of them already!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IJYMFWI5A74TKZEOGM5OZ66YZU persistence

    ignorance is the root cause of this discrimination. most people in the world particularly in religious sector refuse to be aware that homosexuality is a natural phenomena. research, educate yourself, and see how homosexuality abounds in the animal kingdom. humans are the only creature with brain capable of inventing their ‘standards’ according to their time-culture preferences..

  • Jeremy Jones

    Interesting… so they want to be discriminated against! Isn’t that the largest bastion of pedophilies and closeted homosexuals in the world!?! The Church is becoming one of the most un-Christian institutions in existence. They care about laws and dogma more than humanity. How different are they from the Pharisees that Jesus lashed out against?

  • exterminator1

    gusto ng cbcp na lahat ng bading eh sumapi sa kanila kaya ayaw nila yan bill na yan. bwisit na mga bading pati sa simbahan naglipana

  • Hfxwst

    There is a group forming in the Philippines whose mission is to have all legislation cleansed of Catholic dogma, discrimination, hate and general mean spiritedness.  There are more than 20 million Filipinos being forced to live under Catholic rule – so it is a human rights issue. Religious extremism. Separation of State and Catholic Church Please – perhaps the Catholic Bishops could learn from other religious leaders in the Philippines and show respect for the Filipino people and their constitution.

    Also,  an investigation is underway to identify all Catholic Priests who arrived in the Philippines within the past 20 years.  It is suspected that this country has been a dumping ground for Priests who have sexually molested children in 1st world countries.  A code of silence, supported by the media, is protecting these priests – or at least that is suspected –  I guess the investigation will tell.

    In a country that cannot feed itself, the RH Bill is a priority – failing passage, would mean we would have to cash in the billions of investments and properties owned by religious groups here in order to feed hungry children – maybe not a bad idea anyway as Christ taught humility, something very needed by this bunch of Bishops.

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