Prayer building earns Guinness record

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WORLD’S FIRST This 12-meter-high building shaped like the Ten Commandments tablets in Baguio City’s Dominican Hill earned a Guinness World Record. RICHARD BALONGLONG/INQUIRER NORTHERN LUZON

BAGUIO CITY—A 12.19-meter-high building painted like stone tablets containing the biblical Ten Commandments has earned for the summer capital a Guinness World Record, thanks to a businesswoman who also funded the unveiling of a giant Philippine flag here earlier this year.

Grace Galindez-Gupana seems to have a penchant for setting world records. Her company claims she now holds seven records, including being the creator of the biggest national flag and organizer of the biggest clinical sessions for diabetics and cholesterol watchers.

Gupana, chief executive officer of ABS Gen Herbs International Corp., turned over to the city government a P5.5-million, A-shaped “prayer building” featuring the Ten Commandments in July.

Gupana commissioned Nueva Ecija contractors in March to design and rush work on the structure located within the Diplomat Hotel compound, said Rafael Talokoy, executive secretary of Baguio Mayor Mauricio Domogan.

The fully furnished building has inclined 12-meter (40-foot) walls. One wall bears inscriptions of the Ten Commandments, portraying the two slabs of stone that were borne by Moses as described in the Bible.

Domogan on Friday said his office had confirmed the Guinness citation and that a representative from the organization would be coming here this week with the official document. “We were assured that the building is a world-record holder,” he said.

The mayor recalled that Gupana, who he said “considers Baguio the Philippine city of worship,” offered to build the facility in February. This was after she led the unveiling of a giant Philippine flag for a second time at the Baguio Athletic Bowl.

“After turning over the building, Gupana went on her own to apply and earn a certification from the Guinness organization that this is the world’s first and tallest facility (that features the) Ten Commandments,” Talokoy said.

Other records

According to ABS Gen’s website, Gupana holds seven Guinness World Records, among them the feat of developing the world’s largest national flag, an 18,847-square meter Israeli banner which can cover an area of two football fields.

The site claimed that Gupana earned world record citations for producing the longest banner (composed of giant flags representing the Philippines, Israel and the two Koreas), the longest drawing of the Biblical serpent, dragon and beast mentioned in the Book of Revelations (5 kilometers long and 7 m wide), and the largest blood pressure checkup session that gathered 2,302 people.

The site also credited Gupana for organizing the largest diabetes screening session for 503 people, the largest blood identification session involving 260 people, and the largest cholesterol test session for 527 people.

The Inquirer could not independently confirm the authenticity of the world records.

The Ten Commandments building will be officially unveiled on Oct. 26 in the presence of Israeli Ambassador to the Philippines Menashe Bar-On and the Guinness representative.

Domogan said the building would remain open to the public until the city council decides how the local government can regulate its use, Domogan said.

3-way land dispute

The location of Gupana’s facility earlier figured in a property dispute, after the 17-hectare Diplomat Hotel compound was relinquished to the city by the national government during the Arroyo administration in April 2004.

The property became the subject of a three-way tug-of-war. The Sandiganbayan antigraft court maintained that it was promised a portion of the compound for its summer courthouse, the city’s evangelical community wanted the facility turned into a “prayer mountain,” while another group planned to convert the old hotel into a mining museum.

Domogan said he was called to Malacañang recently because the Presidential Management Staff (PMS) wanted an explanation as to why Gupana’s building was built there although there was still conflict over the compound’s use.

The conflict arose from a proposal made to the city council by former Foreign Secretary Delia Albert and civic leader Maria Isabel Ongpin to convert Diplomat Hotel into an interactive mining museum and library.

The plan would exclude from the project a prayer facility being proposed by former Councilor Galo Weygan, an evangelical pastor. Weygan, who had been holding monthly religious assemblies in the compound, opposed the museum project.

Palace wants it back

Former Mayor Reinaldo Bautista Jr. said the PMS sent a deed of reconveyance to the city in 2008, indicating that Malacañang intended to take back the Diplomat compound because the city government had reneged on its obligation to develop it in five years.

“Malacañang was ready to take it back because it was convinced by officials backing the mining museum project that it would be better for them to transact with the Palace instead of the city government. But at the end of her term last year, Arroyo urged all parties to present their case before the new set of officials instead,” said Domogan, who was Baguio’s representative at the time.

Cordelia Lacsamana, a city environment officer who oversees the compound, noted that the Sandiganbayan had started building its summer compound on portions of the property.

Domogan said the city government had urged Albert to present her group’s plans again to the city council “so we can finally develop that property.”

But last week, proponents of the mining museum reportedly agreed to an alternative proposal to secure one of the three sequestered Baguio properties of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos as their project site, Domogan said.

“I endorsed that proposal also,” he said. “This means that the government can offer the Diplomat Hotel as a Public-Private Partnership project. We need to develop a hotel there because the [Ten Commandments building] will start drawing tourists soon.”

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  • Anonymous

    Also related to the 10 Commandments, let’s gun for the world record “The country which cannot learn to obey the Ten Commandments the longest.”  We will tell Guinness that 490 years after the commandments were first introduced to this land, we still act like pagans who are unaware the commandments exist. For proofs, we present to them our topnotch position in the “Most Corrupt Countries in the World” listing, our crime incidence records, the jailing of Erap for plunder and the impending incarceration of Gloria for the same offense among other crimes,  footages of Sundays being business as usual and not rest days for us, stories of children mauling and even murdering their parents, etc. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YYK7B7K2X72XI23PQFR25RVF6U fredabz

      this make SENSE ! and it true whatever kinds of reality check you likely use, be it ON-LINE , Signature Campaigns, etce….

  • Anonymous

    Gandhi said, “God has no religion.”

  • Anonymous

    Filipinos have no idea how embarrassing this is.

  • Anonymous

    Voltaire said, “that we should favor the idea of an almighty, vengeful god to deter villains from the breaking the law and tyrants from exploiting the citizens. Abolish the idea of such a god, and chaos and disorder would ensue. If god did not exist we should have to invent him.”

    • Anonymous

      Jomex:

      Look at all your lame comments, this person said that, that person said this. Whoever they are (be it Voltaire, Gandi, Confucious…) and said “whatever”, doesn’t make it so. ie. No matter which person you quote, doesn’t automatically mean they were actually right. In fact, your god Darwin was a fraud, he never saw what a REAL woman looked liked. This is what you believe in: Single atom iron based life forms evolved into a Toyota afer zillions of years all on their own. …and you can quote me on that in the future.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZUJ5PWPGPIHIHNGC66C5WHKNZA Roberto

        And what really you want to say with this comment????

      • Anonymous

        i bet you don’t even know these guys! your negative reaction is a sure sign of insecurity. you dont have enough faith in your beliefs so you get mad everytime you encounter criticism. I see this reaction in here all the time. and also everytime you get criticised your initial reaction is to shoot the messenger without even attempting to know whether the criticism is true or not. lastly my favorite: they all argue from ignorance.

      • Anonymous

        jomex, the Darwinian:

        Oh really?  So now anyone who opposes your comments are automatically insecure?  LOL!  Good luck to you in married life.  I called your comments lame, you called me insecure.  That’s called a fallacy.  LOL!

  • Anonymous

    Baron d’Holbach said, “if god did exist, we have to abolish him.”

  • Anonymous

    mrs gupana is one self centered,megalomaniac ,deranged individual! she despises everybody,except the evngelicals.she just wants to be famous and is publicity hungry!

  • Anonymous

    In general, the Pinoys being Catholic/Christians, they are able to follow the first five (5). But for the rest, many had, have, and will have a hard time.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

      Please tell us how Catholic Filipinos obey the first five commandments.

  • Anonymous

    In general, the Philippines really like to become “the world’s first …”. Can’t we aspire for things greater than this ? It seems that we try to move heaven and earth just to make very big bibingka and be proclaimed as the world’s first. We are a great nation so capable of greater things not just Guiness world records. This obsession of being recognized by the whole world is so sickening. If we really wanted to be in the pedestal, we should try ” Philippines: The least corrupt in Southeast Asia “. Yes, for starters, let start with Southeast asia.

  • http://twitter.com/iamallantot Allan Ydia

    Php 5.5 Million?….why not donate it to charity or better yet build some classrooms…

    #egotistical 

  • Anonymous

     I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PHILIPPINES WIN AS THE SINGINGEST AND DANCINGEST COUNTRY
    IN THE WORLD. OUR POP SINGERS ARE WORLD REKNOWN, AND OUR DANCERS ARE ALL OVER
    THE WORLD. OUR KIDS START SINGING OR DANCING AS SOON AS THEY LEARN TO WALK AS
    WORLD VIEWERS OF SATELLITE TV WILL ATTEST. OUR NOON TIME SHOWS ARE COMPARABLE TO BROADWAY PRODUCTIONS WITHOUT EVEN TRYING.

  • Anonymous

    i wonder why no one complained about use of public property for religious purposes.

  • Anonymous

    TOURIST TRAP! Money could have been spent on re-greening the congested and uglified Baguio. 

    Any why does the Sandigan Bayan think it needs a summer house?

  • Anonymous

    why erect a structure of a Mosaic law that no one in this country follows and can remember anyway? such a waste of money (5.5million) and why the mayor allowed this religious edifice to be constructed in the first place? as if we dont have enough churches in this country. there are more chapels and churches in this country than there are schools and hospitals! only in the Philippines!

  • Anonymous

    some facts about the ten commandments…

    the ten commandments were borrowed from earlier Greek, Roman and Persian cultures, so the ten commandments were plagiarized. there should be an eleventh commandment: 11.) Thou shall not plagiarize. So are these the best that God can come up with? The first four commandments are essentially god’s way of saying, “I’m God and I’m insecure.” 1.) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 2.) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. 3.) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. 4.) Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. God just wasted four commandment for his own vanity. Besides who remembers the first four commandments anyway, they remember malling, watching or playing basketball, inuman sa bar o sa bahay, at kung ano pa.

    The fifth commandment 5.) Honor thy father and thy mother is a nice sentiment. But then you have to realize that Jesus contradicted this in Matthew 10:35-36 “For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law (very common ito hehe), a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”

    The six commandment 6.) Thou shalt not kill. Do you mean do not kill EVER? What about during home invasion, or mugging, to protect our children, or fighting the Nazis? And what about all the people that God ordered to be killed in the Old Testament?

    The seventh commandment 7.) Thou shalt not commit adultery. Its actually redundant considering that commandment ten is 10.) Thou shall not covet. Which would be a given if you commit adultery with your neighbour’s wife. After all, would you sleep with someone you did not covet?

    The eight commandment 8.) Thou shalt not steal. Certainly a good moral guideline but not all that original and certainly covered by commandment 9.) Thou shalt not bear false witness. After all, if you’re stealing you are being deceitful and deceit is bearing false witness which by the way is definitely is not honouring your father and your mother.

    Plus if you steal someone’s wife, that covered by commandment 7. And if you steal a golden idol from your parents house after coveting your neighbour’s wife on a Sabbath, you are screwed.

    So these are the ten commandments which are actually 3 commandments:
    1. Build God’s ego.
    2. Honor Your Parents.
    3. Be Honest.

    Borrowed from previous cultures which nobody can fully remember which Christians hail as the foundation for a TRUTHFUL MORAL LIFE. They may not be divinely inspired but at least we can frame them in the bathroom wall.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Jomex:
      I can see that you have been reading about topics on religion and you made your own conclusions that are obviously opposed to the widely-believed concepts on God.
      If you know so well about Greek, Roman & Persian cultures and claim that the Hebrews plagiarized the  ten commandments, did you bother to check their timelines in history?
      Moses lived 11-12 centuries before the Greek, Roman, & Persian empires.

      I do not know if you will ever admit that God cannot be inconsistent. At least, my God  is consistent when He commanded Moses and those who wish to follow Him (God) to worship no other gods than He. From a human creature’s perspective, we would say God is a jealous God and surely this are the exact words  written by some writers of the Bible. Take note that the Bible is a compilation of several books written by different persons at different time lines.

      Why would God command Moses that way? There was a reason. The Hebrews were hard-headed people who were rescued from slavery in Egypt and, yet complained a lot. While Moses was gone up the mountain, the Hebrews he left behind started to be uneasy and to entertain themselves, they put together precious metals to build a golden calf that reminded them of the Egyptian’s way of seeking divine help through the making of idols. Isn’t this true until today? People can believe in superstition, astrology, ancient yoga philosophy, New Age, numerology, psychics making predictions, lukewarm to community and personal time to worship God and give thanks, malign and make a mockery of God through malicious remarks and blasphemous actions, false prophets, and ridiculous claims that the world will end soon. Thus, God’s commandments to remain faithful to Him alone is not ego-tripping. It is for my own good to believe or otherwise the Enemy of God who is Satan will snatch me away from God’s loving protection.

      I shall not dwell anymore to detail for you the other commandments you have put in wrong context. Ask a qualified theologian, Catholic or otherwise, to explain them to you. Jesus spoke in parables and the one you quoted which looked like a contradiction to “honoring your parents” is, in fact, a reference to God’s “jealousy”. Jesus was emphasizing where man must place top priority..GOD FIRST.

      • Anonymous

        Moses lived 11-12 centuries before the Greek, Roman, & Persian empires??? Really??? please check that first, you really sound silly.

      • Anonymous

        im going to lower the boom now…are you ready?

        the myth of Moses, yes myth, is borrowed from an older myth of Sargon of Akkad around 2200 BC. Moses story is plagiarized. He was placed in a basket, set adrift in the river to avoid infanticide, then rescue and raised by royalty were lifted directly from Sargon of Akkad. Moses is known as a lawgiver, however the idea of a lawgiver is ubiquitous throughout the ancient world. It is not original. The idea of God passing a law to man up on a mountain is commonplace narrative in the ancient time, including Manu of India, Minos of Crete, Mises of Egypt are the same with Moses of Israel.

        touchdown!

      • Anonymous

        God is jealous? really? how jealous? your god is so petty!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

        Mang Teban,

        question lang po…  kasi napapansin ko lang sa mainstream religion ngayon eh hindi naman sinusunodang ten commandments, in fact binago pa nga (tinapyasan ang 2nd commandment, yung wag kang gagawang wangis ng diyos, at yung originally 4th commandment, mangilin ka sa araw ng sabbath).  the vatican changed these, hindi ba?  o dahil ba sa nakikita ng vatican na mali ang diyos sa pagbibigay ng utos na ito kay moses?

        sa aking opinyon lang, ang ibang relihiyon ay pwedeng gumamit nung siyam sa sampung utos, ngunit  tanging diyos lamang ni abraham, isaac at jacob, ang diyos ng israel ang siyang nagsabing nilalang niya ang sanlibutan sa anim na araw at siya ay nagpahinga sa ika-pito.  subalit bakit binago?  bakit naging linggo na ang araw ng pangilin?

      • Victoria

        InSearchOfTruth,  G-d bless you. I’m so elated to read your comment.

      • Anonymous

        InSearchOfTruth, Victoria:

        I quote Jesus Christ in Matthew 5:17+:

        17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

        @jin2012:disqus

        I couldn’t agree more!  that is why I am asking, why a group of men claiming to be the new representative of Christ changed the very essence, the constitution, among God’s law?  I believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel, the Omnipotent creator, the ever-living, the Alpha and the Omega, is infallible.  But man, seems to think otherwise…

        The church is correct, unfortunately, the men behind the church isn’t.  The bible is correct, unfortunately, men doesn’t read the bible anymore, men doesn’t read it in its entirety.  They only read the piecemeal given to them by the hypocrites, the modern day pharisees…

        Read the bible in its entirety to see how men has already twisted the very word of God!

      • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

        Have you read the bible?
        Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
        Kill Homosexuals
            “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)Kill Witches    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)Kill Nonbelievers
            They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

        @facebook-578043274:disqus
        yes, i have read the bible five times (3x the KJV and 2x the Good News version), and i am well aware of all the contradictions that you have (and have not) mentioned.  but such an argument would not elicit any intellectual answer from the cbcp or the vatican.  so might as well ask them about the basics first.  ask the holier-than-thou who claim to be righteous why they themselves are not following what is written in their supposed holy book.  chances are, most of them have not even read a tenth of the old testament.  chances are, you will be able to bring out their ignorance and make them look stooopid

  • Anonymous

    Highest electricity costs in the world — check
    Worst airport in the world — check
    Largest 10 commandments tablet in the world (hopefully?) — check

  • Watercolor Pink

    We earned a Guinness Record for a huge monstrosity? How sad. :(

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZUJ5PWPGPIHIHNGC66C5WHKNZA Roberto

    What a stupidity. And in a state with freedom of religion, it should not even exist since it is a religiou disturbance and offense to other religion members. The same as the praying in department stores and supermarkets which forces non catholics to attend a catholic occasion. If they want to do something good, maybe they should less overprice.
    And some critics sat that religion is a brainwash, the opium of the poor. Here it looks as if they are not very wrong. But probably all is just a business propaganda because wasting so much money for such nonsenses means usually a vast overpricing.
    Another suggestion to that lady: Jump down from this monster building, direct into the biggest marble coffin of the world. But first donate your wealth to a serious pro poor organisation without corruption. ( If you can find one..).

  • Anonymous

    P5.5 million pesos could have bought a lot of school supplies for school children who needed to walk several kilometers and swim through rivers and creek just to reach their classes.  But then such act of charity will not get one into the Guiness Bork of World Records right?

  • Anonymous

    @Mang Teban, you are worshipping a myth and supertition. lol

  • Anonymous

    @Mang Teban, you have to stop describing your god, because everytime you do so, it becomes very clear that you are just making him up.

  • Anonymous

    Spot on Jomex…….

  • Anonymous

    @jomex: you mean all what is written in the bible is just myth and superstitions? May I know who is your true God then?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2ZPLXB7KDA2DN2Z53IXWSKKAZU Kakashi

      good question!

    • Anonymous

      rosamistika16,

      The god of Jomex, (and Lambaguhon and Robert) is called Man, any man really, he believes only in Man…look at all the quotes he makes… their from Voltaire, Gandhi, Darwin is in there for sure, maybe even Rizal.  He believes in ANYTHING that comes from these guys.  

      So if you want him to believe Mang Teban, Kakashi and Jin2012, all you have to be is become famous, like Plato, Aristotle, make up some stupid punch line or catch phrase, then die.  Jomex will quote from you in the future.   Good thing he didn’t quote Einstein, or some other nuclear psycho…then I’d have to say his god is the Bomb….  as in “Glory be to the Bomb and the Holy Fallout….”

      • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

        Gkler, you slandering Jomex for just offering an opposing view is making you look uneducated and immature. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2ZPLXB7KDA2DN2Z53IXWSKKAZU Kakashi

    here comes atheist and free thinkers(daw)….if you dont believe in god..then dont…period.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2ZPLXB7KDA2DN2Z53IXWSKKAZU Kakashi

    the genius atheist and free thinkers…too proud of themselves…

  • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

    Wow good job, earning a guiness record for something useless and sorry for lack of a better term “stupid”.  What a waste of money.  5.5 million could have built countless water wells, buy food and medicines for the sick and so on. 

    But I guess Guiness doesnt count charity e?

  • Anonymous

    @Jomex:

    Proof of God is in prophecy, of which 2000 out of 2500 have come true. We all know God sent his son Jesus, and the existence of Jesus is a known fact (Reader’s Digest, Ency. Brittanica) that even his enemies documented him (ancient historians: Josephus, Tacitus, Tertullian, Philo of Alexandria, Martyr, Eusebius of Caesarea). Someone sent Jesus, and wrote down the signs to watch out for hundreds of years earlier.

    I quote Petrus_Romanus:
    Science dated the oldest known copy of Isaiah to 300BC (thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls).Christ was born 300 years later.Here are some of the Isaiah prophecies fulfilled in Jesus Christ, 300 years later, though Isaiah is believed to have been originally written ~700BC.

    Isaiah 9:6-7 (Born as a human male)
    Isaiah 7:14 (Born of a virgin)
    Isaiah 37:31 (from the House of Judah)
    Isaiah 11:1-5,10 (From the root and stump of Jesse)
    Isaiah 16:5 (from the House of David)
    Isaiah 9:1-2 (from Nazareth of Galilee)
    Isaiah 49:6, 42:1-6 (mission to include the Gentiles)
    Isaiah 29:18, 35:5-6 (ministry to include miraculous healings)
    Isaiah 61:1-2 (ministry would deliver spiritual captives)
    Isaiah 53:3 (despised and rejected by men)
    Isaiah 49:7 (hated without cause)

    Try calculating the probability of all that occurring in ONE person.Let’s add some more:
    Zechariah 11:12-13 (betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, and used to buy a potter’s field)
    Jeremiah 31:15 (birth would trigger a massacre of infant boys)
    Micah 5:2 (Born in Bethlehem Ephrathah)

    end quote.

    Now you know why even the Israelites were expecting the Messiah, some of them even knew when he was coming, because they had wisdom and not plain ignorance:

    Daniel 9:25 “From the going forth of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah, the leader, this will be 7 weeks also 62 weeks”.

    This command was issued 455BC (Nehemiah 2:1-8), add the symbolic “69 weeks” (Numbers 14:34), then you know when Jesus was born.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

      Sorry Jin2012

      Have you heard of “Reverse Prophecy”

      Its a fraudulent technique which was applied to the bible.  I believe in God but not in the biblical jew god.

      EXAMPLE:  

      EVENT 1: Person A of Tribe A prophesizes in 100 years a male from the house of david will be born in Nazareth.  
      EVENT  2 : Members of Tribe A after 100 years looks for a male from a house of david that is from Nazareth.

      Viola!  Prophecy fulfilled! LOL!

      • Anonymous

        Alesandro,

        Jesus Christ fulfilled over 300 prophecies about him (351 more accurately). All written hundreds of years earlier than his birth (the time of Moses, David, Daniel, Isaiah, etc)

        Who was the pencil-pusher behind the books about Jesus Christ?  (I do mean the Gospels).  These are fishermen, farmers, poor folk (John, Luke, Matthew, Mark).  Do you really think they knew all these prophecies about Jesus Christ made hundreds, thousands of years earlier and made them come true in one Man who was then executed? 

        You take any modern farmer/squatter/fisherman who is a devout Christian or Catholic or Jew, and see if anyone of them could pull off what you are suggesting and in the right time frame.  These prophecies come true because the person behind it (God) is making them come true.

      • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

        I dont mean to have an argument with you but claiming that man is not capable of this fraudulent behavior is just self delusion.  How many crooks and thieves and liars are there throughout history?  The jews were able to pass on the OT for decades before the NT.  

        I believe that the prophecies are there in the OT right?  So the jews who wanted it fulfilled already looked for the best “candidate” and they found that jew couple mary and joseph and claimed it was “virgin birth” Thats trickery.  You attributing it to a god or to a spirit when its pure trickery is just being closed minded.  I believe in a god but not in this clear suspiciously fake story.

      • Anonymous

        Alesandro,  

        No arguments here, just pointing out perspective.

        I think it is delusional to think that anyone (or even a group of men) with the level of education of a farmer, squatter, fisherman on the “cryptic” Hebrew scriptures, and knows all 351 prophecies across hundreds and thousands of years about 2000 years ago so that a man would have been able to fulfill all of them at the right time.  Then you need to ask, why?  What for?  What was the motivation?  Was it to just start a new movement?  There are easier ways to do it than make 351 prophecies come true.  Even Nostradamus doesn’t have that success ratio in his “predictions”.

        Even the priests of today, or your average college graduate, with a 4-8 year course on theology/philosophy/etc… wouldn’t be aware of all 351 prophecies that needed to come true during a 3.5 year period, exactly when the messiah was suppose to be born.

        Can it be pulled of by mere people?  I don’t think so, not with that many prophecies.

      • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

        Do you think the jews who passed the hebrew bible from generation to generation are rocket scientists?  

        If you bothered to check all those prophecies you keep mentioning, they can all be reveresed prophesized. Stop insulting fishermen and farmers, what you are accusing them of not capable of doing has been done equally by jews.

        The prophecies seem to be prophecies are too shallow and trivial?  I mean the prophecy states that the messiah is a man, from nazareth.  Well there are hundreds of thousands of possible candidates, its not rocket science to figure out that they reversed prophecized this.

      • Anonymous

        Unfortunately, the Bible you’re reading today is mutilation of the true message of Jesus Christ. The Bible today is a corrupted one. It has gone many versions and interpretations. The Bible in its original Aramaic language (the language of Jesus Christ) is no where to be found.

    • Anonymous

      @jin2012 – Jesus was a mythical figure. He was not a real person. So your suggestion that Jesus fulfilled nearly all Old TEstament prophecies is clearly preposterous. The preponderance of evidence is clear. Jesus shared a lot of attributes/characteristics from similar mythical/hero figures at the time.
      1. Hero’s mother is a royal virgin; 2. His father is a king, and 3. Often a near relative of his mother, but 4. The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and 5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god. 6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grand father to kill him, but 7. he is spirited away, and 8. Reared by foster -parents in a far country. 9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but 10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future Kingdom. 11. After a victory over the king and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast, 12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor and 13. And becomes king. 14. For a time he reigns uneventfully and 15. Prescribes laws, but 16. Later he loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and 17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which 18. He meets with a mysterious death, 19. Often at the top of a hill, 20. His children, if any do not succeed him. 21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless 22. He has one or more holy sepulchres.

      Guess how many Jesus got? 18 out of 22 hero attributes. Here is the complete list of other mythical figures with the same hero attributes.

      Mithradates VI of Pontus (22) / Krishna (21) / Moses (20) / Romulus (19) / King Arthur (19) / Perseus (18) / Jesus (18) / Watu Gunung of Java (18) / Heracles (17) Mohammad (17) / Beowulf (15) / Buddha (15) / Czar Nicholas II (14) / Zeus (14) / Nyikang, a cult-hero of the Shiluk tribe of the Upper Nile (14) / Samson (13) / Sunjata, the Lion-King of Ancient Mali (11) / Achilles (10) / Odysseus (8) / Harry Potter (8)

      • Anonymous

        Jomex,

        Very few scholars, historians, archaeologists today would refer to Jesus as mythical.
        Those that do, are unaware of the works of the following:
        Ancient historians documented him:  Josephus, Tacitus, Tertullian, Philo of Alexandria, Martyr, Eusebius of Caesarea.  Are they mythical too?
        Why would even the enemies of Jesus document him?  His supporters could have documented him, but why even his enemies?
        Today, even Encyclopedia Britannica and Readers Digest refers to Jesus as fact.

        Also refer to some of these archaeological artifacts:
        Ossuary of James: inscription that in english says “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus”
        Ossuary of Caiaphas
        Pilate’s Stone

        PS. I said Jesus fulfilled 351 prophecies written way before he was born. However, about 2000 out 2500 prophecies have also been fulfilled (not necessarily involving Jesus).

  • Anonymous

    If you would look in the Catholic Bible, in Exodus 20:4 you can read the true version of the Ten Commandments and see that the second commandment is not what is in all Ten Commandments that is displayed in churches and other places. There is a warning in the Bible that we are not to  change or alter even a small portion such as a tittle. We seem to have ignored God’s warning at our own peril.

  • Anonymous

    I wish the Philippines is more secular one just like most countries in europe. I think our country’s lack of progress and passive attitude is deeply rooted in the influence of our major religion/ culture. 

  • Anonymous

    (Irony on) This is another thing what the whole world has been waiting for. The glory Philippines in the Guiness Book of Records with the shortest man on earth, this new building nobody needs and the longest sausage or whatever in the world. If thats the only not negative headlines we can produce here … Amen! (Irony off)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    This project is praiseworthy, I just prayed that our kababayan will take heed of them and strive to follow those Commandments of God.
     
    To fellow believers in the God of the Bible (the only true and living God) do not try to argue with those who obviously are God-haters or are opposed to the word of God – the Bible. For we should be reminded of what the Lord Jesus Christ said ‘do not throw what is holy to the pigs or to the dogs for they will just trample on them and devour you’. It is enough that we have stated what is the truth and whether they believe them or not, those very words will at the end will be their judge.
     
    To those who hate the God of the Bible and even malign His words – go enjoy your life if you can for tomorrow you may die and whether you like it or not you will at the end stand before the God of the universe whom you have slandered all your earthly life.
     
    In the same way that it was not your will and nobody consulted you regarding your existence in this world, the same way after you die you will have no will of your own but just as God have sworn every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will declare that He is God.

  • Anonymous

    Did someone double-clicked the picture and noticed the 9th and 10th commandment to be offset by 1.
    The 9th should be: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife  and 
    10th: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods.

    something is wrong from 1st to 10th, but the prints are not readable due to the picture being sideways.
    Does anyone know what version of the Bible was this version of 10 commandments taken?

    P5.5M but it seems incorrect.

  • Anonymous

    @jin2012 Regarding other mythical saviors like Jesus: Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Persius, Mithra, Hercules, Justin Martyr admitted this “When we say that Jesus Christ was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing new or different from what you believe regarding those whom you call the sons of Jupiter.”Again here are some attributes of a savior: Born of a virgin on December 25stars appear at their birthvisited by Magi from the eastturned water into wineheal the sickcast out demonsperformed miraclestransfigured before followersrode donkeys into the citybetrayed for 30 pieces of silvercelebrated communal meals with bread and wine which represented the savior’s body and bloodkilled on a cross or treedescended into hellresurrected on third dayascended into heavento forever sit beside father god and become divine judgeLike I said the church fathers were getting the same objections from pagans that Jesus was not different from the other mythical saviours. So the church fathers, the Christian apologists had a SOLUTION. Again, Justin Martyr concluded thus: “For when they say that Dionysus arose again and ascended to heaven, is it not evident the devil has imitated the prophecy?”The solution was simple, blame the devil for imitating the attributes of Jesus, that the devil had the foresight to copy these attributes in other mythical saviors. Its laughable indeed that we fell for this.

  • Anonymous

    @jin2012,  check your facts before throwing it here..
     Josephus was born around 37 AD definitely he was not contemporary of Jesus, besides he was debunked. Tacitus, Sartonius and Pliny the Younger were the only other three pagan historians who mentioned a certain “Chrestos, Christ” which means the anointed one but definitely not alluded to the Jesus. Tertullian was born 160 AD so he could not have witnessed Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    sonnygc, InSearchOfTruth

    Do try to refer to an interlinear bible, you may find it most useful such as this one:
    w-w-w . scripture4all . org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index . htm

    For Exodus 20, refer to this document:
    w-w-w . scripture4all . org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo20 . pdf

    Also, while the KJV is a must have, many manuscripts have been discovered since it was completed in the year 1611.  I recommend the NIV which takes into account these newest discoveries.  The Good News Bible, I have to admit, “removed” too much meaning when compared to the actual hebrew and greek texts.

  • Anonymous

    i have nothing against erecting this building-like containing the ten commandments…what i don’t understand is why are we so engrossed with guinness world records…if the aim is to make a world record, then this building is not for us to remember the ten commandments but rather for the builder to be recognized by guinness….is this newsworthy?….NO…..

  • Anonymous

    Jomex,

    I’ll make this simpler:

    Isaiah – oldest copy mankind has is dated 300-120 years before Christ was born.  Here are those prophecies again:

    “Isaiah 9:6-7 (Born as a human male)
    Isaiah 7:14 (Born of a virgin)
    Isaiah 37:31 (from the House of Judah)
    Isaiah 11:1-5,10 (From the root and stump of Jesse)
    Isaiah 16:5 (from the House of David)
    Isaiah 9:1-2 (from Nazareth of Galilee)
    Isaiah 49:6, 42:1-6 (mission to include the Gentiles)
    Isaiah 29:18, 35:5-6 (ministry to include miraculous healings)
    Isaiah 61:1-2 (ministry would deliver spiritual captives)
    Isaiah 53:3 (despised and rejected by men)
    Isaiah 49:7 (hated without cause)”

    How do you expect anyone to believe that Jesus is myth with 11 predictions fulfilled?
    Then supported by artifacts, and a growing movement called Christianity, and supported by historians.

    Even Einstein believed Jesus Christ existed, and he doesn’t believe in God.

  • Anonymous

    Jomex,

    On historian Flavius Josephus

    So, his accounts on Jesus are invalid?  Is that it?
    But we accept his non-Jesus historical works as fact?

    Sounds like hipocrisy to me.

    Here’s a simple challenge for you:

    Name another “movement” that has no leader (because he is a “myth”) that has 100,000 followers…and has lasted 300 years without such a leader.

    Rizalistas exist because Jose Rizal existed 150 years ago.
    Marcos Loyalists exist because Marcos existed 30 years ago.
    2billion Christians exist because Jesus Christ was born 2000 years ago.

    The very nature of man seems to indicate he cannot become part of a “group” without some kind of real human-leadership figure… a village chief… a king… a high priest … Even in the animal kingdom… there is always an “alpha” male looking out for the “group”… a rooster, a gorilla, etc..

    • http://www.facebook.com/alesandro.diaz Alesandro Jamorabon Diaz

      Jin2012 

      Sorry for prolonging this but your being closed minded is really appalling.

      If everyone thinks that there are cows on pluto doesnt mean that its true.  If 2 billion christians choose to believe that the reason it survived (the religion) is because of god and not because of popes and european monarchs who have aligned with each other (think crusades, golden age) and Spanish and Portugese Conquistadors is being closed minded.

      Open your mind.  There is a big possiblity that jesus is a fraud.  Of all the people you will trust are jews living in the desert 2000 years in the desert who loved sacrificing goats?  There is that possibility.  

      PS.  If our measure of which religion real is based merely on longevity, you lose miserably to jews.  If we base it on followers, there are more Muslims now that Catholicism excluding Christian denominations.    

    • Anonymous

      @jin2012 Its pathetic that you keep holding on to your prophecies argument, when even the jews dont believe Jesus fulfilled them. if you use analogy of the reality of social groups to religion, then you are saying religion is just for utilitarian purpose only. religion is useful therefore its teachings must be true? lol or religion is useful therefore its founder must be real? cmon! the usefulness or the numbers of your social group does not and will not make it true. besides if your catholic social group is true, it was very insecure to kill, murder, persecute countless people thru the centuries to manipulate society for social control. thats what the Christians did as soon as Christianity became officially Roman religion. open your eyes

       
       

      • Anonymous

        Jomex,

        Is that your best answer??  Prophecies are not  true because Jews don’t believe them?

        There are people today who don’t believe Man landed on the moon – so it never happened – that’s what you are telling me, that’s the reasoning you provided me.

      • Anonymous

        jin2012, like I said the burden of proof IS ON YOU, you have to provide me the evidence that your god exist, otherwise you are useless in this discussion. so far i have provided you with evidence and still you say…la la la la la …while covering your ears. it is you who should convince me and others here…and all you can come up with are prophecies which are dubious at best and some few historians who are doubtful and erroneous. For someone who claim to be a God, Jesus did not make his evidence clear.

      • Anonymous

        Jomex, 

        If you are finally going to resort to “burden of proof”.  Really, “we” here don’t need the “proof”.  But when someone like you comes into a forum where 80-90% of the national population believe in God, then tell us that what we believe is all “myth” ie. lies – then you need to be the one to provide proof, because you have to say “guys, it is all a myth because of this evidence uncovered”  Get it now?.

      • Anonymous

        jin2012, i have already debunked and falsified your claims on prophecies, historians, artifacts and your faulty reasoning and analogy to population, now you have to provide me with some more, if you cant then show me someone who can. because clearly you’re knowledge is still low.

  • Anonymous

    @Jomex:disqus  you are discrediting Jesus as a myth,  yet Jesus, Mary and Joseph were mentioned in Islam’s Qur’an.  There is a whole chapter in Qur’an devoted to Mary the mother of Jesus.  Do you imply that Islam is also a myth? And that Prophet Muhammad is also a myth?
    Islam and Christianity supports each other, if you discredit one of those religions, you discredit the other.

    • Anonymous

      @mscarolineg, do I have to spell it out for you? I discredit all monotheist religions! Islam is plagiarized from Christianity! Christianity is plagiarized from Judaism!

  • Anonymous

    Jin2012:

    I’ll make this simple:  Jomex believes Britannica is a collection of fictional works when it comes to Jesus only.  The rest he considers as fact.

    Jomex:

    Wah? I thought you love quoting dead people and pass them off all as fact?
    Why don’t you quote Flavius?

    • Anonymous

      sigh…GKler…i didnt say Britanica is a collection of fictional works…I only said Jesus is a myth…but anyway..its a democracy…like they said…”You have a right to your own opinion, and I have the right to tell you how fuc%$*! stupid it is.”
       
       

  • Anonymous

    Years  ago, I was very sad seeing two tablets of stone bearing the ten commandments in front of the Catholic church’s patio. I noticed the commandments 9 and 10 became laws against covetousness while according to Exodus 20 ,”do not covet” was only on the tenth commandment.  The 2nd commandment on idolatry was missing. In the Catholic bible it was not numbered and not emphasized.  “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything… you should not bow and worship them”. This law has a promise, punishing the sin of the fathers in the third and forth generation of those who hate God, BUT blessings to thousands of generation who keep this commandment. This big, monumental structure will open the eyes of Filipinos on the TRUE Ten Commandments based on Judio-Christian traditions.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    @mscarolineg:
     
    I beg to disagree with you, we may try to prove the validity of the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ and the validity of the Bible with its fulfilled prophecies thru historians and the recorded history but I would not venture to validate them with the writings of Islam.
     
    I’ve read several of the writings of these historians being mentioned here as well as the Koran and the hadiths that goes with it, all I can say is that the god of Islam called Allah is not the same as the God of the Bible YHWH, also the so-called Jesus of Islam named Isa is not the same as the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible.
     
    Among several proofs I can point the following proves to be the true litmus test of their difference:
     
    The God of the Bible YHWH admits He has a beloved Son – the Messiah Jesus but the god of Islam vehemently denies that.
     
    Also the Jesus of Islam called Isa did not die on the cross of Calvary but was spirited away and replaced by another man while the Jesus of the Bible died on the cross and rose again on the third day.
     
    Please take note of these fellow believers in God and the Lord Jesus Christ for this very subtle lie costs the faith of so many yet unstable Christians to succumbed to the errors of Islam, in fact even some religious leaders within Christianity falls to this LIE simply because of ignorance.

    • Anonymous

      @yahoo-FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4:disqus   There will be minor differences naturally, otherwise both holy books will be called with only one name.  Don’t you think?
      But the essence is there in both books.  Islam just considers Jesus a prophet. Islam’s  Qur’an also mentioned Moses, Isaiah, Elijah, Joseph, Mary, and all of them are just prophets and must not be compared to their one and only Allah.  So if Isa is not the same as Jesus,  are those other prophets mentioned above are not one and the same between Bible and Qur’an? 
      How come the story of Mary in Qur’an is identical to that in the Bible, except that the Quran’s version is more vivid and more thorough compared to your Bible?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    @mscarolineg: Yes the koran does mentions prophets and other personages in the Bible and I will not try to disprove them as to their true identity, nevertheless when it comes to the true identity of God and the Lord Jesus Christ that is a non-negotiable fact. The deception lies in the subtlety or like the saying goes ‘the devil is in the detail’.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Without wanting to get involved in any inter-religious debates, I’ll disagree.

      To Christians, the true identity of God and Jesus may be 100% certain, but to adherents of all other religions, they are simply beliefs.  It’s the same with the beliefs of any other religion: the faithful may believe their deities/ideals completely, but they’re simple beliefs to everyone else.

      That’s why religious followers are called faithful.  They have faith in their beliefs, and even though modern Christians didn’t meet Christ in person and see His wounds, even though modern Muslims weren’t there when Muhammad ascended, even though modern Buddhists never learned under the Gautama Buddha, and even though if we’re being honest no religion has certain, scientific proof that their religion is the correct one, they believe.

      So yeah, even as a Christian, I disagree with the idea that any part of Christian (or any other religion) belief is ‘non-negotiable fact.’  Tolerance, people.

  • http://twitter.com/CrocLolong CrocLolong

    mY FELLOW PINOYS  MAY PABEG BEG 2 DISAGgree pa TAYO.  GUINNESS Book OF RECORD TAYO FOR  KORAPSYON sa atin GOBYERNO. MGA RELIGIOUS Pa maNDIN PERO DAMI MANGLOLOKO AT CORRUPT o gALING NATIN mangkorap.  beGGING FOR RESPECT tayo kaya HWAG NA TAYONG MAgpa BEG BEG 2 DISAGgree. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    @Jose:Biblical christianity (take note I say biblical) in no way imposes its message or belief on people, it is not spread by force or violence but as the Bible says, each believer should be ready to explain the hope we possess with trembling and humility.

    Did you say tolerance? then true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ will not even force you or anyone else to embrace its message but in no way should we compromise its true teaching with that of other faiths, let them believe what they want to.

  • Anonymous

    Ooooo! What an accomplishment! With this world record– god will notice and  I suppose RP will now improve its lot!!

  • Anonymous

    David Hume said, “extraordinary claims require extraodrinary evidence.” so to jin2010 and all apologists here, you havent really provided extraordinary evidence to support your extraordinary claims. If Jesus is what you really think he is: A GOD. Then Jesus should have left convincing and extraordinary evidence to prove himself, and not rely solely on prophecies and few historians who are very questionable at the very least, and just like Justin Martyr, one of the church fathers, dont blame the devil for imitating Jesus’ attributes on other mythical saviors, as if you admitted that the devil won. I would like to appeal to common sense…Christianity is a false religion based on a myth. And we know how powerful myths are.

    • Anonymous

      Jomex,

      I provided you prophecy, artifacts, historians, reasoning.

      The summary of your replies is as follows:

      prophecy – the jews don’t even believe them, so they aren’t true, invalid.
      historians – invalid works concerning jesus, some didn’t live to see him personally.
      artifacts – ? [you have no reply, but I suspect you will dismiss them as mere invalid]
      reasoning – ?  [I await your answers to this: name another movement…”
       
      What really is extraordinary is you haven’t really given me a convincing answer, except to hold on to your belief that Jesus is mythical without solid counter evidence.

      PS, Alessandro, I would not mind seeing your answers to those as well.  All you have told me is that it is possible to perform fraud on 351 prophecies by “uneducated” folk.

  • Anonymous

    Alessandro, Jomex,

    If you really think Jesus is a myth,
    then its time for some real answers from you rather than “name calling”.

    Name another “movement” that has no leader (because the leader is/was a “myth”) that has at least 100,000 followers…and has lasted 300 years without such a leader anytime in history.

    Even Rizalistas exist because Jose Rizal existed.
    PS.  Alessandro, I am just as closed minded as you, no more, no less.

  • http://twitter.com/CrocLolong CrocLolong

    YES ALESandro.. Di ako begging to disagree.  Just BECAUSE korapsyon survives in the Philippines DI IBIG SABIHIN NITO NA ITO ANG DAPAT GAWIN.

  • Anonymous

    Jomex, and FYI Alessandro,

    Here:

    The Sanhedrin executed Jesus, if he were a myth, why then is Jesus recorded in the Talmud?
    ie.  Sanhedrin 43a – “eve of Passover, Yeshua was hanged…etc..”   It also refers to 5 disciples of Jesus.
    It states how old he was when he died, it states the Romans got involved.  So why would they bother to document a myth, the “enemy” of the Sanhedrin?

    In case you didn’t fully appreciate the implications of this – the Sanhedrin – was monitoring its enemies not “myths” – and they documented it. That’s like saying the CIA is monitoring mythical enemies instead of real threats and real “terrorists”.

    *Hanged is actually a correct term – as in hanged on a stake or “tree” or a cross.

    Thallus wrote about the crucifixion of Jesus, his writing dates up to 52AD.

    You dismissed Flavius Josephus – a member of the Pharisees (enemies of Jesus) and a court historian to Emperor Vespasian, he made references to Pilate, Jesus, James – brother of Jesus.  Now why would he pass all of that as “myth” if he was a historian to an emperor?  Why would he risk the ire of the emperor on passing off incorrect historical accounts? Is Pilate a myth too, Is James a myth too?  I refer you to Pilate’s Stone and the Ossuary of James – both are artifacts. Flavius also records Caiphas the high priest in Jerusalem from 18 to 36AD

    Caiaphas, the high priest is mentioned in the Bible and his hand in the execution of Jesus – is he a myth too? I refer you to the Ossuary of Ciaphas – another artifact. His body and coins dating to ~42AD were found inside.

    You dismissed Tacitus for not being around the time of Jesus. Tacitus wrote about the burning of the Jerusalem in 70AD, was he “inaccurate” about that too as you claim he was with Jesus? The burning of Jerusalem wasn’t a myth – so is it possible Tacitus wrote other things non-mythical? FYI Jesus prophesied about the destruction of Jerusalem (the Temple) in Matthew 24. Would a myth be able to do that?

    With all these independent accounts, and independent discoveries, physical evidence – you really need to open those eyes.

    • Anonymous

      About the Talmudic source, Josephus lists approximately twenty different men named Jesus, at least ten of whom lived in the same time as the famous Jesus. The name Panthera was also a common name in the first two centuries. When dealing with first names, it is very common to come across different people in the Talmud with the same name and the same applies today.  When I refer to Bill, am I talking about the President of the United States, the billionaire founder of Microsoft, or a local celebrity?  In one place I could mean one Bill and in another place a different Bill.  It is therefore almost impossible to identify someone based on their first name alone.  Second names, which in the Talmud means the name
      of the father, enable us to identify people with much better accuracy, but not entirely.  It is very possible for both two men and their father’s to have the same names.  This makes history much harder but ignoring this fact is distorting history.

    • Anonymous

      I have given you the answer to josephus, he was born in 37 AD he could not have witnessed the Jesus you were talking about. Folklore and myths are prevalent in those days even transcriptions of text are dubious.
      You have thrown every historians names and yet they dont add up to your conclusion that an historical Jesus exist. How could he if he was just invented by first century christians. By way of analogy, the Mormons and Scientologists and INC followers can claim proof of their gods even now in the 21st century and still millions and millions believe! How much more for christianity 2000 years ago?

      • Anonymous

        @ Jomex,

        On josephus, are you implying he didn’t do his “research” as a historian?  a historian to an emperor?  you really think anyone could just become a historian to an emperor?  what’s to stop him from obtaining first hand accounts from the thousands of people who witnessed Jesus?  

        Even our current justice system use facts from eyewitnesses as they did 2000 years ago – requiring at least 2 witnesses to condemn a man for murder. 

        The last of the 12 disciples died in ~100BC, well within the lifetime of josephus, and there were at least tens of thousands++ of people who likely witnessed his preaching work, and those were still living during the days of Josephus.

  • Anonymous

    Jin2012:  

    and this is how Jomex would reply:
    “All what Jin2012 said are false, invalid, incorrect, illogical, fallacious – period.”

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

    If people will build a P5.5m monument on the Ten Commandments, the least they can do is get all the commandments correctly.  #10 says “Thou shall not covet??”  I can’t read the rest from the pic.

  • Anonymous

    @ jomex:

    Reading your comments with Jin2012, are you therefore suggesting all the 20 different men named “jesus” are also myths?  Or all of them are real except the one that refers to Jesus Christ?  The ossuary of james is very specific, and unusual – james, son of joseph, brother of jesus.

    • Anonymous

      Ericag I am not saying that… All im saying is jesus name is common place in those days but to suggest outright that since the name jesus is recorded in the Talmud, it is not honest and fair to say that, and it definitely does not follow that is actually jesus christ the son of the living god. Jin2010 just assumed that since the name jesus is recorded in the Talmud therefore his god Jesus exist.. Logic is fallacious. Ginagawa tayong tanga ni jin2010 and you have to see thru that.

  • http://twitter.com/grandpaber mel bercel

    the stone-like tablet structure lacks the other 2 commandments applicable for pinoys. commandments 4a and 8a.

    4a. thou, pinoys, will have discipline to do what is good for the majority of the pinoys and not for the good of only the elite few.

    8a. thou, pinoys, will not accept tongs from anybody especially from the lowly pinoy majority.

    commandment 4a brings to my mind the lack of the discipline of the motorcyclist rights group filing a TRO on the implementation motorcycle lanes at commonwealth and macapagal avenues. it does not compute why safety is not paramount in their minds that it seems the group is the mouthpiece of interest groups, like construction contratistas, funeral services, private hospitals, bus companies, greedy lawyers…etc…etc…the contratista will not be forced to spend funds to ensure safety measures because safety is not encouraged by the TRO (the TRO rather wants to have the constitutional right of equal protection of the law for all drivers and road users, law and order (safety) provides equal protection of the law)…kung uunti ang motorcycle accidents, hihina ang kita ng mga funeral services kasi mababawasan ang mga mamatay sa motorcycle accidents…hinihina din ang kita ng private ospital at lawyers bcuz uunti din ang physical injuries at reckless imprudence cases…favor din naman ang mga bus companies dahil gusto nila ang buhol-buhol na traffic para mas madali silang magsakay ng pasahero…blah …blah…blah… you can add your own rational and there are so many of them.

    On commandment 8a. let me just provde this question of a teacher to his student pedro.titser:.. pedro, ilahad mo ang tatlong bahagi ng pamahalaan ng bangsang Tongpinas.
    ….
    pedro:… execuTong, …Tonggresso… at supreme courTong (silent ur as in flavour pronounced as ‘flavo’). ang presidenTong po ang head ng execuTong branch. …mga senaTong at Tonggresista ang bumubuo ng Tonggresso,… at ang supreme courTong ay may 13 jusTong justiises kasi kahit laganap ang gapangan doon ay konti lang ang daTong na dumadaTong gid sa kanila.

  • Anonymous

    GKLer,

    i think God for jomex are those that give him something that he can touch physically and whom he can see with his two battling eyes period! so whatever you say about God even if you cited volumes of facts is not acceptable to him. i believe he thinks that way because he is a person who believe in himself and nobody else. he exists just because he was conceived by his parents. i also suspect jomex doesn’t even believe  plato, aristotle or einstein, y? because he neither feel nor see them. did you? their theories and principles are just a piece of paper and nothing.  so with the bible! why our teachers convinced us to memorize those formulas and principles and applied it to our lives if those are only lies/myths? so disappointing yah? BUT, I MAY BE VERY WRONG because jomex might be a believer of these people especially Charles Darwin who believed that he came from an ape!  hahahaha! why bother about God then? apes don’t have God, I guess? right Jomex?

    • Anonymous

      Rosamisticar, you are right about one thing we are both apes. As an ape you are arrogant to impose your god and primitive belief to other apes is just about controlling other apes and must be met with ridicule, contempt. No ape must dictate over other apes. Get that into you hard ape brain.

  • http://twitter.com/grandpaber mel bercel

    ang walkers and joggers rights groups din daw ay magfifile ng TRO… bakit sidewalk daw ang pinagagamit sa kanila eh napakadami ng sidewalk vendors at illegal structures sa sidewalk…nasaan daw ang rights nila ng un-impeded access sa kanila,…their $69 question is why do they have to go thru a maze to go from point A to point B. akala daw nila pinaalis ni bayani ito.

  • Anonymous

    Really your god jesus who is not real should come again real SOON. Because he did a poor job of revealing himself in history. You are even better than your god Jesus. Because you were able to defend him so forcefully and so passionately that you actually believed it. The wonders of an ape brain….

  • Anonymous

    Jomex, as an ape like you, check out the pictures of Lin Ketong and Alodia Gosiengfao – those are REAL women, not apes like you and I.  No resemblance to an ape at all I guarantee it.  See Darwin was wrong.  Once again, this is what evolution is:  Single atom iron based lifeforms evolved into my Honda after zillions of years all on their own without any help at all.

    Ridiculous theory that many apes pass as fact, and pass as their religion.

    • Anonymous

      youre a creationist! explain to me how we were ‘created’

  • Anonymous

    @ jomex:@Jomex:disqus 

    sorry po kung nasasaktan ka ha? pero never akong naniwala na galing ako sa apes! hahaha. kaya wag mo na akong isali sa lahi mo hahahaha. peace!!!

    kayo ba d2 na nagbabasa ng mga comments, do u believe that you came from apes and not from God’s creation?

    just a piece of advice: @jomex, if you don’t believe in God, please do not put Him to the test. don’t be like satan who tested Jesus but failed. we want you to respect your belief and perspective, so you should respect ours too because what we are discussing now is the Superior of all of us (excluding you maybe)  and we would not be happy to read and laugh at our God because we know that He is just there, watching us!

    be cool… ^_^

    • Anonymous

      @rosamistika16 wow, you cannot argue with me so you bring out the ‘satan’ card…hehehe typical Christian…who’s next!?

    • Anonymous

      “we would not be happy to read and laugh at our God because we know that He is just there, watching us!??”

      its a mental problem to laugh at something that does not exist. you should go to the mental hospital lol

  • Anonymous

    all Christian apologists here are poisoning your fellow moderate Christians mind…i am just one here and yet you apologists get upset if I answer your claims as false…pathetic just like Jesus..

  • Anonymous

    this discussion board is getting funnier by the minute…all the crazy Christians in  this blog hehe

  • Anonymous

    @ rosamistika16  “so you should respect ours too because what we are discussing now is the Superior of all of us (excluding you maybe)”  I already said you are better than the god you created so stop making him so superior…

  • Anonymous

    silence…..

  • Anonymous

    “A little learning is a dangerous thing Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again. Fired at first sight with what the muse imparts, In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts While from the bounded level of our mind Short views we take nor see the lengths behind But more advanced behold with strange surprise, New distant scenes of endless science rise!”

  • Anonymous

    “A little learning is a dangerous thing
    Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
    There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
    And drinking largely sobers us again.
    Fired at first sight with what the muse imparts,
    In fearless youth we tempt the heights of arts
    While from the bounded level of our mind
    Short views we take nor see the lengths behind
    But more advanced behold with strange surprise,
    New distant scenes of endless science rise!”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZR6X6FNXAEFLSDRONJSRABIAE Albert Joseph

    nice effort…

  • Anonymous

    me? thanks Albert

  • Anonymous

    Sad to say, I think our country will go a very looong way until religion idealism will be unplaced on a higher ground. There will come a time that there’s no authority like the church or a certain philosophy like the bible that have to be interpreted in a hundred of ways which will tell you what you shouldn’t and should do. 

  • Anonymous

    @Jomex  you seem to be too knowledgeable of history and religions. Claiming all religions are just plagiarized from earlier religions.  Good research and learning you’ve done, but it seems your own reasoning has failed you. I believe in God as my IQ is lower than Newton, Einstein, Pasteur who are also theists and believes in God.  Well, if your IQ is higher than the above scientists, then please enlighten me as to how did you arrive at your conclusion that everything was created by chance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    People should take note that the evolution theory which try to do away with the truth that God created everything is still a theory and will always be till the end because it is already a dead theory.
     
    It takes a lot more blind faith to believe in evolution that to believe in intelligent design. Only persistent foolishness will continue to hold on to the notion that by a simple electrochemical reaction the first cell was created and voila we have myriad of different creatures in our world that even until now scientists are still trying to catalogue everything.
     
    The Bible says that ‘liars will listen to lies’ so is everyone who denies God our Creator because God is the absolute standard on what is true and what is false, on what is good and what is bad, etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

    “Dawkins presents the teapot as a reductio ad absurdum
    of this position: if agnosticism demands giving equal respect to the
    belief and disbelief in a supreme being, then it must also give equal
    respect to belief in an orbiting teapot, since the existence of an
    orbiting teapot is just as plausible scientifically as the existence of a
    supreme being.”

    • Anonymous

      InSearchOfTruth, I agree an orbiting teapot is just as plausible scientifically as the existence of a supreme being. But how about the belief that everything was created by chance? Isn’t that even more farfetched than the orbiting teapot and presence of supreme being?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

        mscarolineg,

        personally, it depends.  its like asking, in a forest with no one around, will a tree falling down make a sound?  or how about Schrodinger’s cat,is it alive or dead?  aren’t these supposition as far-fetched as any arguments?

        no one can prove that everything was created by chance.  but can anybody also disprove that everything was created by chance?  both of us are not there, so neither of us can claim this or that, imho

      • Anonymous

        Yes, at least some of our greatest thinkers have already proven that everything can’t be created by chance. 

        How about that clock analogy of Einstein? The universe moves so precise and so accurate that you can compare the movements of planets to a clock.  

        That amazing insight of Einstein alone just proves that some supreme being designed the universe. Now, let us say you’re walking in a secluded desert and found a working wristwatch half-buried in the sand. Will you rationalize that this precise and accurate timepiece was just created by chance? No, you will instantly know that an intelligent being created that precise moving thing.

        Or chaos, let us make an experiment, we disassemble our wristwatch and put all of its nearly thousands of parts into a small closed container,  now try to shake that container for trillions and trillions of years.  I doubt the wristwatch will be assembled perfectly out of chaos.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

        “Yes, at least some of our greatest thinkers have already proven that everything can’t be created by chance. 

        How
        about that clock analogy of Einstein? The universe moves so precise and
        so accurate that you can compare the movements of planets to a clock.  

        That
        amazing insight of Einstein alone just proves that some supreme being
        designed the universe. Now, let us say you’re walking in a secluded
        desert and found a working wristwatch half-buried in the sand. Will you
        rationalize that this precise and accurate timepiece was just created by
        chance? No, you will instantly know that an intelligent being created
        that precise moving thing.

        Or chaos, let us make an experiment,
        we disassemble our wristwatch and put all of its nearly thousands of
        parts into a small closed container,  now try to shake that container
        for trillions and trillions of years.  I doubt the wristwatch will be
        assembled perfectly out of chaos.”

        I beg to disagree, Einstein never believed in accurate clocks. In fact, in his theories, time does not exist.  You cannot even tell the exact time (for while you are saying the time, a few millisecond has passed, therefore it is no longer accurate to say what time).  Also, the “precision” of a clock would depend on a reference point.  Which or what is your reference point?  Remember the twin paradox?  If the universe is so accurate and so precise, how come only one of the twins aged?  How come time slows to a stop when nearing the velocity of light?  What is your wristwatch?  Is it digital or quartz?  Atomic?  Einstein himself theorized a 4th dimension, whereas our limited senses only tells us there are three.

        IMHO, using a wristwatch in an example is a bit lame as it is not natural, its already man-made.  Wristwatches are made of synthetic materials, processed elements, elements that already bonded with other elements.  Why not try something that exists in nature?  Like, say, an amoeba.  IS an amoeba an advanced life form or a very primitive?  Why not tackle the elements themselves?  Which elements fuses together and which elements repel each other.  Why does oil and water don’t mix?  When both are fluid?

        Uhm, some of our greatest thinkers have already proven that everything can’t be created by chance?  Can you site specific examples, please?

  • Anonymous

    @mscarolineg;  

    First, nowhere in this blog did I mention the everything was ‘created’ by chance, you are putting words in my mouth. And thats not being honest. By the way, ‘created by chance’ is an oxymoron. It would not be chance if something is created is it? Anyway, reading your comments here so far, you are insinuating that everything happened by ‘chance’. Well, chance played a part in the evolutionary cycle, but Natural Selection promotes non-random change of specific desirable traits over time. Living organisms did not just ‘pop out’ into existence by ‘chance’, but they did evolve over millions, sometimes billions of years.

  • Anonymous

    @mscarolineg: You also say that some scientists believe in god. That’s nice. But scientists like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler also lived in dirt floors, believed in bleeding sick people to cure them, and burning witches at the stake. Sir Isaac Newton was a believer and theologian. But he was also an ‘alchemist’. Did Newton’s groundbreaking research on gravity and the Laws of Motion also prove his belief that metals had magical powers and could be combined to make gold? Alchemy, by the way, is a form of chemistry and speculative philosopy practiced in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance and concerned principally with discovering methods for transmuting baser metals into gold and with finding a universal solvent and an elixir of life. No one believes alchemy nowadays. Anyway, cherry pick all the scientists you want. The fact is, 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject the concept of God. Thats not just the majority. Its an OVERWHELMING majority.

  • Anonymous

    @mscarolineg:   Your ‘working wristwatch half-buried in the sand’ is a watchmaker argument or teleological argument meaning argument from design. You could have chosen a more elaborate argument but instead opted for this which is the easiest to revoke. David Hume debunked this intelligent design argument simply by asking, “who designed the designer?” and who designed the designer of the designer, up to ad infinitum.

    • Anonymous

      @Jomex:disqus   you have not written  “created by chance” but this is what you’ve implied in all of your previous posts. I just used that terminology and you call me dishonest. 

      93% of National Academy of Sciences might be atheists, but that doesn’t change anything. There are thousands of factors and reasons why they choose to be atheist. To look more geekier could be one of the reason. Besides, being atheist makes you unique. Atheism is currently the ‘in’ thing in Germany also, but who cares.

      Watchmaker argument might be weak, but I’m still not convinced that atheism is correct. Especially when I ponder on Blaise Pascal’s reasoning.

      This is my last post, I need to be early tomorrow.

      • Anonymous

        @mscarolineg. Again you are grossly mistaken. I did not imply ‘created by chance’, you created this phrase to fit your argument. I am not the one making things up here, you are! You dismiss the survey which is typical of theists when they are losing arguments. And then you say atheists chose to be one because they want to look ‘geeker’?? Well, atheists were once burned at the stake and hanged by ‘loving’ christians. Being a geek then would not be a good lifestyle choice. Finally about Blaise Pascal. Pascal’s Wager is a ‘sigurista’s attitude to belief in god. He just makes sure to believe just in case god is real. If not, then he loses nothing. Certainly not a responsible and moral way to live. Ok go back to your work and continue being a slave to your God, who you created in your mind in the first place. Lol

  • Anonymous

    @Pablo: Intelligent design is a new word coined by Creationists to make them look and sound ‘intelligent’. One of the arguments by creationists is the God of the Gaps. Essentially, any ‘hole’ or ‘gap’ that remains unexplained by science must be an act of God. Gaps in the fossil record? No problem. God did it. How did the human eye become so incredibly complex? God did it. What explains the precise orbit of the planets within the solar system, which allows life to flourish on this planet? God did it. Throughout history, primitive man’s understanding had enormous gaps, and God become a convenient explanation for all sorts of things like tornadoes, solar eclipse, good or bad crops, rainbows, diseases, floods, volcanic eruptions and more. But as man’s understanding of science has grown, the God of the Gaps has continued to shrink.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CHASLFOABRFQ65B7ZMMCIYRTYY Steve Hicks

      Do not worry because you will join Jim Jones soon. Have a nice life Jomex, eat, drink, be merry, read a lot of science books. There is no GOD to you anyway so go ahead enjoy your life and whats left of it. And when you are mortally wounded or near death or have lost your loved ones do not fret because Darwin, David Hume, National Academy of Sciences is there to console you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    @Jomex:
     
    It is obvious you held most scientists and philosophers in high esteem instead of believing in God who created everything they’ve been tinkering on and you seem to delight that most of them eschew the fact that there is a God.
     
    Very well then, but it seems to me you are not so updated with all the latest discoveries or should I say propositions of your ‘prophets’, because you say nobody nowadays believe in alchemy that other metal may be changed into gold, provided God allows the present age to last a little longer that might change to the world’s surprise.
     
    You need to check then what quantum physicists are coming up with, with their increasing knowledge of sub-atomic particles or far more smaller than that (do a research on string theory for example), that they all boils down to a ring of lights, everything is composed of light, that each different atom is but a result of different impedance in the vibration of those lights that if they will only be able to twick them (which they hope they will in the future), they will be able to produce atoms of different kind that they can turn a bottle or anything else into something else. Some of them are so exhilarated with their newly discovered knowledge that it prompt some of them to even declare that they will soon be able to discover and explain God Himself.
     
    Having said all that, this is what I have to tell you, in the future science and spirituality will be so intermingled that the gap or divide between them will soon close and it will be too late for the world to know that they are already too deep into Satan’s deception. For in the last days a day is appointed that the fallen angels together with Satan will be let loose again to deceive the world and make them believe the lie so that by the time the Lord Jesus Christ returns to reign on the earth, they will even have the audacity to challenge Him with their arms.
     
    Just wait for that coming prophesied world leader because he will be doing a lot of miracles that the whole world will worship him as a god to their own destruction.

    • Anonymous

      I just had a ‘Facepalm’ moment after reading your comment there.. why are you so obsessed with death and destruction? And what is this obsession with the devil and Satan? You are freaking me out! Cant we just reason out in a civilized manner and stop the ‘Satan’s deception’ thing? Seriously, we dont need another Jim Jones here! Lol

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

        @Jomex:
         
        Even the demons will be appalled at your sheer insolence for you’re devoting your time just to negate the existence of God when even Satan and his demons do believe in God and even tremble, but here you are who can’t even explain where were you before the time you were born raving mad against God your creator?
         
        Why should it not suffice you to simply say you don’t believe in God and let those who believe in God cherish Him. Let me tell you man you are just wasting your time, let me share to you the advise of the Bible for people like you: live and enjoy your life as much as you can (if you can) for this present life will only be your portion. For once your strength and body starts to give way, then it will be a losing battle for you down to your grave. So eat and drink all you can for tomorrow you may die.
         
        But then if you still insist on your foolishness and rave mad against God, man you have such an emptiness and void in your life that what you are doing are but a manifestation of that depravity.
         
        Go out get a life before it runs out for you, remember you only have this life to satiate yourself.

      • Anonymous

        @Pablo. Waaaa! Naloko na. Kung ano ano na sinasabi ni Pablo. Better check that head Pablo

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FJAHNFOX67YGJKYP3FAK6HM5A4 Pablo

    @Jomex:
     
    As insolent and as rebellious as you are yet the hands of God is not short to save you from your depravity, anger and bloated ego if you will only humble yourself before God and repent of your sins and accept the Lord Jesus Christ’s offer of salvation then you will see what really true light is, for I tell you the light that you think you have is in reality darkness.
     
    I’ve seen some of your like, rebellious and angry against God but it turns out that that’s because they have an issue inside themselves and only the love of the Lord Jesus Christ will free you from that enslavement. Man, you should see how much they cried when the Spirit of God finally freed them from their slavery. And you too if you are willing the door of grace is still open for you.
     
    Open up your heart to the Lord Jesus Christ and study His word – the Bible, with prayer and reverence and the Light of Life will shine on you. People like you need the love of Christ, so in the quietness of your musing, try to give this truth a thought.
     
    If you do, don’t worry which organized religion you should belong to, just hold on to the truth of the word of God written in the Bible, the Spirit will lead you where He wants you to.
     
    Remember God is a God who is always willing to save and to forgive and He deals with us not according to our sins but according to His great mercy.

    • Anonymous

      @Pablo, There is no need to preach. If you cant answer with facts, evidence and good reasoning, just say so. Preaching is like saying, “I am right because God is with me.” It doesnt answer questions and doesnt promote critical thinking. Its also being intolerant and feeling superior.

  • Anonymous

    I quote Jomex:

    “@rosamistika1  wow, you cannot argue with me so you bring out the ‘satan’ card…hehehe typical Christian…who’s next!?”

    did you just say “who’s next?” and “hehehe”????

    err…dude, Jomex , the man, that’s…well, how do I say this, that’s really quite pathetic…”who’s next?”  LOL!!!

    I followed your more “scholarly” replies with the Christians, and you avoided quite a lot of their rebuttal/questions by not answering them.  Some of your answers were even riddled by fallacies.  tsk…tsk…

    I suggest, “we” apes move to a new forum, try “ICameFromAnApe dot com”  –  People, err the apes there go hoo-hoo-hoo  instead of hehehe  :)

    • Anonymous

      Ikaw naman GKLer, you’re all accusations and no substance. Para ka ring sirang plaka. Do yourself and others here a favor by pointing out the fallacies you are talking about and state your rebuttal, otherwise your words are nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    2 Timothy 2:24
    “And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.”

    One day, our brother (or sister) will see Christ …. and just like Thomas who did not believe until he saw the Master alive again [John 20] …. only then will he also believe…

    We must not judge anyone, for it is Christ who will judge us all [2 Timothy 4:1].
    There are many who do not share our beliefs, so keep your faith:

    Colossians 2:8
    “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.”

  • Anonymous

    @Jomex:disqus  , I don’t think you even know the meaning of “imply”.You are not a theist, hence you are “implying” that everything was formed by chance.
    Now who’s grossly mistaken?
    No point arguing with you.

    • Anonymous

      mscarolineg, kulang yata ang breakfast mo, hindi umaandar ang utak mo. basahin mo uli ang sinabi ko. ok back to work slave of god.

      • Anonymous

        I just reviewed as what you’ve suggested. Sadly, it just verifies my claim that you don’t know the meaning of “imply” and “insinuate”.  So what’s the point of arguing with you? 

      • Anonymous

        I just demolished all your arguments and now you want to argue about definitions…loser…

      • Anonymous

        Now come on, how can we argue if you don’t even know those simple and basic words? This is not an easy topic and we might reach even more complex concepts. But we can’t do that because you don’t know those very basic words.  You see?  It would be useless arguing on my part. 

        Tagalogin ko na para ma kuha mo ha. Hindi mo man sinulat ang  “created by chance” pero iyon na rin ang punto ng mga posts mo dahil nga atheist ka.  Ngayon, tinawag mo pa akong sinungaling sa kadahilanang di mo naintindihan ang word na “imply”.  

        You sound like a high school under graduate to me. A firm believer that God doesn’t exist. And just quickly searched everything online and spouting it out again like a parrot,  without even pondering and rationalizing on your own.  Enough of this, this is way out of topic and becomes personal.  The first paragraph of this post is my reason why i will stop arguing with you on this topic. 

  • Anonymous

    you see you dont even know the word ‘atheist’ ‘complex” and ‘basic’…its useless to argue with you because you dont even understand these words. its pathetic that even for an adult like you, you cant even understand these words. balik ka sa elementary uli.

    • Anonymous

      You’re a funny little kid. I have already proofs that you don’t know the words “imply” and “insinuate”. 
      Where’s your proof that I don’t understand the words atheist, complex and basic?  

      • Anonymous

        You’re an immature little adult…. I have ‘proofs’ ( lol) that you dont understand words atheism, complex and basic… Go back to elementary and learn again

  • Anonymous

    @InSearchfTruth:disqus , Again, you are correct. Einstein didn’t use the word precise and accurate.  He used the term “harmonious movement”.  But the gist of the idea is the same.
    I can provide specific examples, but that will be just a copy/paste from online sources.  I think our friend Jomex is better in doing this. Lets ask him to do that.

    There are volumes of books written by Rene Descartes, Leibnits, Einstein, Pascal, Benjamin Franklin, Voltaire, Aurelius, which will point you to the right direction. There are also scientists, with lower IQ’s than the above who’ll point you to the opposite direction, like Darwin.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

      @mscarolineg:disqus

      lol, i’m also guilty of copying and pasting, as this is one way of proving our point, as long as we do not claim those “phrases” or “sentences” we copied as our own, then there’s no problem with copying and pasting.  otherwise, how can we at least try to prove our point if we do not have something to back us up?

      harmonious movement, yes, relative to what?  surely, there must be a relative point.  otherwise, how do we say it is harmonious with this or that?  that would definitely go against the relativity theory.  einstein once said:  “God does not play with dice!”  but his theory says otherwise.  einstein himself is so unsure of his works that he has to introduce a universal constant, symbolized by the lambda.  later on, he was not able to integrate this “universal constant” with his existing works that he was forced to abandon it.  is chaos, then, the absence of order?  or only when referenced with a certain standard for order?  isn’t this relative too?

      what is right and what is wrong?  when you say the “right direction” what is that “right direction”?  right in terms of what?  of whose standard?  relative to your standard, the world may be rotating upon its axis on a “westerly” direction, but when referenced with my standard, the world might be rotating on an easterly direction.  either way, the rotation will not break any laws of physics.

  • Anonymous

    you dont have to be an non-theist to believe in the facts of evolution, notice I didnt use ‘theory’, even popes and bishops and priest believe in it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

      “dna-agrees-with-all-the-other-science-darwin-was-right”  (that’s from the discover magazine website):


      When Sean Carroll
      was a graduate student at Tufts School of Medicine in Boston, he found
      himself seduced by spectacular new studies of the humble fruit fly. That
      work, which eventually won a Nobel Prize for its principals, showed
      that modifying a single gene during a fly’s embryonic development could
      transform the insect’s body plan: Instead of becoming an antenna, a body
      extension could develop into a leg. Carroll continued to study these genes
      and, some years later, found that they were not restricted to fruit
      flies; they turned out to be part of a master tool kit that sculpts the
      body structures of all animals, ranging from humans to nematode worms.

      The discovery of this small set of universal body-building genes gave
      Carroll and others a fresh way to explore the inner workings of
      evolution. By observing how the genes changed during the course of
      embryonic development, scientists could track the emergence of a novel
      physical trait, the first step toward the creation of a new species. For
      the first time, researchers had direct access to the machinery of
      evolution and could actually watch it in the act. A new science, known
      as evolutionary developmental biology, or evo devo, was born.”

  • Anonymous

    I still have to hear ‘how’ a creationist explain origin of life as opposed to facts of evolution

    • Anonymous

      jomex:

      you said “FACTS of evolution” ??????

      What’s the matter with you….it’s a THEORY, it means it’s UNPROVEN.  Just like there are 15 theories concerning how gravity works, and none of them are proven, and not all of them could be right.  Try not to confuse FACT and theory.  LOL.  That’s the problem with baboons, you have a theory, and you pass it off as fact when it is not.

  • Anonymous

    so entertaining to read minds! haha! peace and tranquility be with you all.

    For those who believe in one truest God, may God continue to bless us with His love and wisdom to understand and to be understood, and to accept things that we cannot change. And for those who do not believe in Almighty God…………………never mind!

    Have a very nice day!

  • Anonymous

    As what Einstein said, studying the inner workings of a wristwatch is different from knowing how the wristwatch was created and knowing its origin. Physicists are just studying how the cosmos behaves but can’t explain the origin of cosmos, except of course their Big Bang Theory. But again, what happens just before the Big Bang will also stump scientists to their feet, just like your question as who created God.

    InSearchOfTruth, the quote you’ve posted:  “God does not play with dice” was referred by Einstein to Quantum Physics experts who claimed that statistics and probability plays a part in Quantum Physics. I think it has nothing to do with Einstein’s strong belief in God.

    “Harmonious movement” relative to every other planets perhaps, again just like the clock which has some gears with perfectly designed cogs, minute hand, hour hand, second hand, and everything works harmoniously. All of those parts can’t just connect to each other by chance and form a working clock, you need some form of intelligence to connect each other, wind it and calibrate it to make it consistent in its movements.

    There are things that science and Evolution theorists can’t really explain.
    One of the most difficult mystery which can’t be solved until humans are gone:  Why does a dried dead seed spring to life given enough water, sunlight and time? That little brownish dead seed could turn into a huge living tree.   Just ponder on this, and I sure humans can’t  answer this very difficult question, unless they are theists.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

      @mscarolineg:disqus

      einstein said that famous quote in answer to quantum physicists regarding chaos and order.  it has everything to do with his strong belief in a supreme being (he being a practicing jew).  but it is his personal belief.  what i’m saying is, his theories go against his spiritual view.  his relativity theories helped in the development of the big bang theory (which some theist scientist believes as what is mentioned in genesis when god said “let there be light”).  also, even einstein cannot counter heisenberg’s uncertainty principle.

      i agree with you that the inner workings of a mechanical clock is different in knowing its origin.  physicists are divided between the steady-state and the big bang model of the universe.  not all believe in the big bang, some believe in the steady-state, while some believe that the universe is forever expanding, and yet there are some who believes in a “cycle” wherein the universe, after expanding will contract.  nothing stumps scientist more than when an experiment proves a long-held theory to be false (like what happened recently wherein einstein’s theories are now being questioned at CERN).

      since we agree that the inner workings is different from origins, what has harmonious movement got to do with the parts connecting with each other?  harmonious movement in the universe relative to every planet is not absolute, that’s why we have collisions of asteroids and planets and even galaxies (take Antennae Galaxies as an example).  if the universe is indeed moving harmoniously, mercury’s surface, or even the moon’s, will be as smooth as polished marble.  but their surfaces are like a teenager’s face pockmarked with acne.

      again, i agree that there are things that science cannot explain (no scientist worth his salt will ever claim to have the absolute answer).  but so does religion.  there are also things which religion cannot explain like where did god came from or who created god or why god created man as a rational being but man acts and thinks irrationally. 

      and for the record, i never posed the question “who created god” (you must have mistaken me for someone else)  ;-)  but since you brought that up, you gave me the idea, hehehe.  but then, asking such question we cannot expect any intelligent answer.  all we could get is “our mind is so small compared to god that is why we cannot fathom or understand his origin” (or worst, being labeled as a satanist).  tama ba? 

      scientists are always looking for answers, even to questions which have been answered before.  but so is spiritual man.  he will always seek wisdom and knowledge, the better to understand his creator and to strengthen his faith.  otherwise he will not read and re-read the bible.

      as what is written in the abrahamic religion’s holy book:  “ask and it shall be given, seek and you will find, knock and the doors will be opened”  :-)  imho, any person, regardless of belief, should not be labelled antagonistically by “christians” as atheist whenever they ask questions regarding the nature of god.  what do you think?

      • Anonymous

        +1

  • Anonymous

    buti naman sinunod talaga ang nakasulat sa Exodus…I’ve seen the Ten Commandments displayed in many buildings/walls/print materials na edited na… I’m glad this one has all ten in their exact order… walang dagdag-bawas :D

  • Anonymous

    You are one of those who  are already used to reading/seeing the edited version of the 10 commandments my dear. I’ve seen the 10 commandments displayed not in their exact order many times in the past and i’m glad this one has got all ten straight from its original form (the fourth commandment was shortened here, it’s very lengthy in the Bible actually). We should read the Bible f more often and see that we are not deceived by what those professed leaders of the church are feeding us. 

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