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SENATOR PIA CAYETANO REVEALS:

‘DOH proposed nearly P14 billion to fund RH bill in 2012’

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MANILA, Philippines—The Department of Health is proposing close to P14 billion to fund the controversial Reproductive Health bill in 2012, Senator Pia Cayetano disclosed during plenary deliberations of the measure on Tuesday.

“For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.

Based on the DOH’s proposal, P18.5 million would be allocated for capacity building, P12.5 million for priority health program, and P3 million for the major final output of the health policy and development program.

But Cayetano quickly clarified that she has not yet given her support for the proposed budget, saying it was just the proposal submitted by the DOH.

Senate President Juan Ponce-Enrile then took the floor and expressed his surprise about the proposed budget for the bill.

“I was struck by the statement of the sponsor that there were proposals already about the budgetary component of this measure…” said Enrile , who is strongly opposing the passage of the bill.


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  • Anonymous

    Enrile should donate his pork barrel to fund the RH bill if becomes a law. His opposition to this bill is self-serving-takot siya sa Catholic vote backlash. Inutil talaga itong matandang ito. Put politics aside, you old goat!!!

    • Ricardo Boncan

      Enrile has nothing to fear at this point, he is a veteran of politics good and bad. He is making a moral stand for what he sees as a potential societal evil. Baka dapat tingnan mo muna ang sarili mo at baka ang mga salita mo ang inutil.

      • Anonymous

        naniniwala ka pa ba sa huklubang architect ng martial law na yan na political survival na lang ang inaatupag? wake up and smell the bulls*ht

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4ZXK4NDFJDD75JF574GNZNGO6U arnold

    This pecuniary matter of the RH Bill makes it truly controversial. This ‘proposed budget’ should be channeled into better use such as infrastructures that would prevent so much flooding in some areas around the archipelago. People would be able to discipline themselves and manage their families and survive just the same. The money involve in this Bill is really mind-boggling at least to me and perhaps to those really against this Bill. Even if this funding might come from foreign agencies it should be used to alleviate peoples lives who are suffering because of the recent and the still to come calamities. If this money is coming from our taxes… all the more that we should oppose to this Bill and again the money should be used better than what this Bill purportedly makes us all believe. People, let’s unite… NO TO RH BILL.        

    • Anonymous

      flooding???? kaya may flooding kasi ang daming tao nakatira sa ilalim ng tulay. isip isip isip

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LH6TVGXRXF7EIBFRWC7MPXSZKA morpheus_jr16

    There might be an error in this article. It seems it sensationalizes the article. The 14 billion might be the whole DOH budget. Just look at the breakdown. It barely reached 35M for RH related programs. This kind of article will surely mislead readers and will be used by anti-RH proponents against this bill.

  • Ricardo Boncan

    14 Billion for pills and condoms and sex ed… that could very well go to rural modernization, infrastructure and vocational training. 

    • Anonymous

      tama lang yan. kulang ang 14 b sa ilang kalye lang pero sobrang daming tao naman

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LH6TVGXRXF7EIBFRWC7MPXSZKA morpheus_jr16

      Please read the whole article first and not just the title. Add the provided breakdown and how small it actually is.

  • Anonymous

    Ricardo Boncan, ikaw ang inutil. Ikaw siguro ay may dalawampung anak, pero okay lang yan kung kaya mong suportahan. Eh yong mga mahihirap na asukal lang ang almusal? Magkano ba ang binibigay mo sa mahihirap to alleviate their poverty? Siguradong tuta ka ng mga bishops. Sobra ang dunong ninyo o nagdudunodunongan?

  • labcu

    I am for RH Bill but I believe the Filipinos want  to see a  duable,  attainable and sustainable policy/program plan. We need a perfectly designed RH Bill coupled with perfect political will and total acceptance by the beneficiaries of the program.

  • Anonymous

    P18.5M + P12.5M + P3M = P13.7B?? Baka naman P13.7B ang kabuuang budget para sa DOH. Mali ang pamagat ng artikulo. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5HKALRICF7V6QM6MYPC5TJCFQ Herbert David

    14 Billion Pesos??? Laking  corruption makukuha dyan . No to RH Bill!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5HKALRICF7V6QM6MYPC5TJCFQ Herbert David

    Una 3 Billion pesos ang proposal ni Lagman, ngayon 13.7 Billion pesos na ayon kay Pia. Kaya say no to RH Bill!

  • Anonymous

    Sa DOH lang yan.  Paano pa yung pondong galing sa Philhealth contributions natin na kailangang ibili rin ng contraceptives para ipamahagi sa mahihirap.

  • Anonymous

    Contraceptive Used in Africa May Double Risk of H.I.V. according to the New York Times Published: October 3, 2011

    The most popular contraceptive for women in eastern and southern Africa, a hormone shot given every three months, appears to double the risk the women will become infected with H.I.V., according to a large study published Monday. And when it is used by H.I.V.-positive women, their male partners are twice as likely to become infected than if the women had used no contraception.

    At one point, the researchers measured the concentration of H.I.V. in infected women’s genital fluid, finding “there was more H.I.V. in the genital fluid of those using hormonal contraception than those who aren’t,” Dr. Baeten said, a possible reason men might have increased risk of infection from hormonal contraceptive users. Those women “don’t have more H.I.V. in their blood,” he said.

    The researchers also found that oral contraceptives appeared to increase risk of H.I.V. infection and transmission, but the number of pill users in the study was too small to be considered statistically significant, the authors said.

    Previous research on the pill has been more mixed than with injectables, which could have a greater impact because they involve a strong dose meant to last for three months, Dr. Baeten said.

    In another troubling finding, results from the same study, published separately, showed that pregnancy also doubled the risk of women’s contracting H.l.V. and of infected women’s transmitting it to men. That may partly be due to increased unprotected sex, but could also relate to hormones, researchers said. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Has no one noticed that based off Sen. Cayetano’s quote the requested P14 billion is the TOTAL requested budget of the DoH?

    And shame on the Inquirer.  That’s a very misleading headline, and frankly I expected better.

    • Anonymous

      Mali ang understanding po ninyo.  33.3 billion ang budget ng DOH for 2011.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        The quotes say what the quotes say.  They clearly do not indicate a P14billion increase in the budget for the RH Bill.

        That may be the case, but that is not shown by the quotes (which is what this article is based on).

      • Anonymous

        jose

        sabi mo — “The quotes say what the quotes say. They clearly do not indicate a P14billion increase in the budget for the RH Bill.

        That may be the case, but that is not shown by the quotes (which is what this article is based on). ”
        ——————–

        Tanong ko — ANO ba ang ibig mong sabihin?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’d suggest taking English lessons, as your reading comprehension obviously needs work.

        More importantly, why does that question make me feel like I’m the only adult in the room?

        Go play with Arnel Barral and the other clown.  Maybe there are alphabet blocks in the corner or something.

      • Anonymous

        Diyos ko po.  Hindi porke nakakpag-kabit -kabit ka ng mga salitang Ingles eh tama na yang sinasabi mo.  Ayusin mo para may kahulugan naman ang mga baliko mong pangungusap.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Di ko sinasabi na tama ako dahil ok ang Ingles ko.  Di ko rin sinasabi na bobo ka dahil di ka nakakaintindi ng Ingles.  Sinasabi ko na bobo ka AT di ka nakakaintindi ng Ingles.

        At kung naniniwala ka talaga na propagandist ako, mas bobo ka pala sa akala ko..

      • Anonymous

        sabi mo — “Di ko sinasabi na tama ako dahil ok ang Ingles ko. ”

        sagot ko — ok ang ingles mo? hahahahaha. Akala mo lang iyan.  Walang sense ang mga ingles mo. Naku po. ano ba yan?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Why do you think you’re qualified to judge other people’s English when you can’t comprehend simple sentences?

      • Anonymous

        Naku po.  Wala ka na bang masabi? Ang pinag-uusapan dito ay yung price tag ng rh bill. Ang concern mo — pagsasalita ng ingles. Napaka-babaw mo naman

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Ang concern ko at na di mo naiintindihan ang sinasabi ko dahil di sapat ang English comprehension mo.

        Re: the RH budget maraming numero ang umiikot.  Wala pang siguradong total para sa RH bill, at malamang walang siguradong lalabas hanggang 2012.

      • Anonymous

        The article was very clear about what it was saying, the rh bill’s price tag is very huge. But you wanted to mislead the people by saying it is just 34 million.

        Stop your lies. Stop bullsh-itting people.

        If you so want population control, start with yourself. Magpa ligate-ka o kaya magpa-vasectomy ka. Prove you are really pro rh. Put your balls where your mouth is.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Why would you reply to someone on two separate pages with exactly the same post?

        Again, the article isn’t exactly conclusive, and until more information comes out, I think this conversation’s pretty pointless.

        And yet again, that last sentence shows that after reading a lot of stuff on the RH Bill, you still do not understand it.  I wish I could say I was surprised.

      • Anonymous

        Because you have been intentionally  making lies and misrepresentations in your posts on different articles. More so ikaw ang nag-connect ng 2 articles sa isang comment mo. 

        Sa article na ‘Good question..’ sabi mo — “Copied from the Inq article:…“For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query….”
        ———————

        You say the article isn’t conclusive, but you make it out to be by making misleading conclusions.  You wanted it to appear that the rh bill’s price tag is only 34 million; to make it appear na kaunti lang ang magiging budget para dito.   Your trickery is so transparent.
        ———————-

        The last sentence is valid.  Bakit gusto mong i-enforce ang rh bill sa mga pamilya at taong ayaw nito?
        Kung gusto mong mag-contraceptive ikaw ang mauna.  If you want population control, then set an example.

        Wala kang karapatan o kahit na sino mang rh advocate na i-pwersa sa ibang tao ang rh bill na iyan.  If it becomes a law, it will be an imposition on all Filipinos. Hindi kami payag sa ganyan.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Ok, show me a legitimate, definite source that categorically (with direct comments from someone involved in planning) that the RH Bill will indeed cost P14b.

        Put up or shut up, clown.

      • Anonymous

        Who said the rh bil budget is P14 billion?  Hindi ka ba nagba-basa?

        Ask Pia Cayetano… Otherwise tell the PDI that they engage in tsismis.  Why don’t you read the PDI article above?   It say’s —

        “MANILA, Philippines—The Department of Health is proposing close to
        P14 billion to fund the controversial Reproductive Health bill in 2012,
        Senator Pia Cayetano disclosed during plenary deliberations of the
        measure on Tuesday.

        “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the
        Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito
        Lapid’s query.”
        ————————

        Now if that doesn’t answer your question, Ask Edcel Lagman, and he says the budget is P3 billion.  He said it in the congressional debates. 

        If you are trying to get yourself out of your stupid comments regarding the rh price tag.  You are too late, you have already proven your propensity for making up lies. 

        You said P34 million for the rh bill, and  P14 billion for the entire DOH budget..  SINUNGALING

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        3 billion isn’t 14 billion.  I’m not surprised you don’t realize that, but am disappointed nonetheless.

        And read Cayetano’s quote again.  “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,”.  The RH Bill isn’t mentioned in that.  For all we know the DOH is asking for 13.7 billion for office supplies and cars.  My point was that that isn’t conclusive, and we shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions based on vaguely written articles.

        Honestly, unless you come up with something more coherent instead of rehashing your old, pathetic arguments, I’m done replying to you, troll.

      • Anonymous

        Your trickery is unbearable.   I would have dismissed your comments as ignorance, but hey you are trying to get yourself away from your stupid comments by making more stupid arguments.

        Who said  P14 billion.  I didn’t .  The inquirer article did say “…close to P14 billion…”. And read the first and the second paragraphs.  If you think that was misleading, tell that to the inquirer.  Or better yet inquire from them and ask them to make a clarification. Now if you think that is inconclusive.  Whoever said that it is?  Nevertheless according to the article and other articles that’s how much the DOH was proposing for to fund the rh bill.

        Who said P3 billion?  I didn’t.  Edcel Lagman did.  But it is still way way off from the P34milion that you have been saying.

        Ikaw lang naman ang nag-conclude ng P34 million for the rh bill.  A classic case of a propagandist na nabubuko sa pangli-linlang.  Common sense lang na hindi P34 million ang proposed cost ng rh bill. Gusto mo lang mag-kunwari na ganyan kaliit lang ang magagastos ng rh bill. 

        You even said the P14 billion was for the entire budget of the DOH. Now magpa-palusot ka ulit? by saying “For all we know… P13,7 billion for office supplies and cars? Hahahaha. The article above is about the rh bill and the proposed budget for it, not about the DOH proposal for office supplies and cars.

        If you really want to tell the truth you can go to the DOH website or other websites and you will know that the proposed budget of the DOH for 2012 is close to 43 billion pesos.

        STOP YOUR LIES. STOP BULLS-HITTING PEOPLE. Hindi lahat malo-loko mo.

        You said ‘troll’?  Hindi uma-apekto yan dahil malinaw na nagsi-sinungaling ka para lang makapag-propaganda.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        “Who said  P14 billion.  I didn’t .”

        justanotherperson, I think it was.  The person I was talking to before you butted in.

        “Nevertheless according to the article and other articles that’s how much the DOH was proposing for to fund the rh bill.”

        Where are these articles then?  The only ones I’ve seen are rehashes of this one.  I asked you to provide alternate sources and you have failed to do so.  Do not blame that failure on me.

        “Ikaw lang naman ang nag-conclude ng P34 million for the rh bill.”

        Learn to understand what you’re reading.  Saying that an article implies that the total is P34m isn’t the same as saying that the total is P34m.  My main point is that we don’t know what the budget is.  Again, if you have a legit source that says what it is, feel free to post it.  If you don’t understand what this paragraph means, get your parents to read it for you before posting again.

        “You said ‘troll’?”

        Yes.  Because that is what you are: a troll who annoyingly doesn’t know how to use the edit button and must instead reply to my posts 8 times.

        And it’s rich that you’re calling me a liar while repeatedly lying about things I’ve said.

      • Anonymous

        JOSE, HULI KA NA LUMULUSOT KA PA.

        Sabi mo 6 minutes ago —.  “I asked you to provide alternate sources and you have failed to do so.  Do not blame that failure on me.”

        Sagot ko  —  SINUNGALING KA TALAGA. That’s is not what you said in your post 15 hours ago. Basahin mo.

        Sabi mo 15 hours ago — “Ok, show me a legitimate, definite source that categorically (with
        direct comments from someone involved in planning) that the RH Bill will indeed cost P14b.

        Put up or shut up, clown. ”
        ———————–

        Sagot ko — I gave you a  legitimate, definite source, etc….  and that’s the Inquirer News, with direct quote.

        Magpapalusot ka pa? NOW WHO IS THE CLOWN?  — CLOWN JOSE.

      • Guest

        ———–

      • Anonymous

        Jose,

        Just in case gusto mo pa ng ibang source.. try ABS-CBN News By Ryan Chua, Posted at 10/04/2011 7:22 PM, excerpt:

        “Lapid went on to ask about the cost of implementing an RH law.

        Cayetano said the bill does not specify an amount, but the Department of Health (DOH) has pegged it at P13 billion should it be enacted. The lady senator added she is still evaluating the proposal.”
        —————————

        Try also Sen Cayetano’s website,  

        News Release. 5 October 2011.
        RH debate highlights: October 4  

        Interpellations on Senate Bill No. 2865
        ‘National Reproductive Health Act of 2011’
        Senate plenary session.  (excerpt:)

        LL: “Magkano po ang (budget) kabuuan?”

        PSC: “Ito po ang proposal ng DOH. Bago ko ibigay ang kabuuan, nire-request ko pa ito na himayin ng DOH. For 2012, P13.7B ang kanilang hinihingi. May P3M po para sa major final output sa health policy and development program; capacity building ay P18.5M; sa priority health programs, P12.5B. Hindi ko po ibinibigay ang suporta sa halaga na ito dahil hihimayin pa.”

        LL: “Kung sa gamot lang, magkano? P2B? P3B?”

        PSC: “Parang P2-3B po ang suggestion ng DOH sa Committee. Pero hindi pa ito ang irerekomenda ko.”
        ————————

        Next time just tell the truth as it is.  Para hindi mo nagagawang kenkoy ang sarili mo.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        THERE YOU GO.  That’s how you discuss things, by actually showing facts and figures.

        Given those more definite sources, I’m happy to admit that Php13.7 billion is, indeed the correct amount.

        However, I’d also like to point out something I noticed in the transcript of the following date.

        “Offhand, with respect to the health professionals, the figure is roughly
        for registered nurses and midwives, the salaries amount to P4.6-P7.5 B.
        That is staggering. But those are the figures needed to address this
        concern.”

        and…

        “RR cites Sec. 10 (procurement of family planning
        supplies): How much will this require? How will the DOH implement this?
        Are we going to increase taxes for this purpose? Are we going to
        increase contributions in PhilHealth?
        PSC: There are five million women with unmet family
        planning needs. So if we are to estimate, that would be 5 million women x
        P365 pesos. That would be P1.8 billion pesos. This is given by the DOH.”

        So the majority of the cited budget appears to be headed towards increased midwife coverage, which is something I don’t think even the majority of anti-RH proponents are against.

        Based off those quotes from Sen. Cayetano, actual family planning supply costs will be around P1.8b.  Still a lot, but nowhere near P13.7b.

        Also, after reading the transcript of the previous day, I have got to say that Enrile is a repulsive liar.

      • Anonymous

        Jose,

        Thank you for acknowledging that the manner I do my arguments is the way to do it.  Although it would be beneficial for all of us (pro and anti rh) if you also keep to the same standard.   I am hoping you have learned more than just the proper construction and articulation of arguments.

        I sincerely hope that even though we are in the opposite side of the fence (so to speak),  you will also keep an open mind to the points of view of other people.  Maybe we can both lead the way (or at least join those who sincerely wish) to present both sides of the argument in a more civil and  enlightening manner.

        Neither calling your opponents clowns, trolls nor liars, as this name calling has a very strong  tendency to bounce back to you, and with good reason as I have demonstrated and proven by use of proper and truthful arguments.

        Thank you also for finally admitting that the 2012 proposed funding for the rh bill is 13.7 billion pesos.
        ——————————-

        You said and you quoted  the following —

        “Offhand, with respect to the health professionals, the figure is roughly
        for registered nurses and midwives, the salaries amount to P4.6-P7.5 B.
        That is staggering. But those are the figures needed to address this concern.”

        “…That would be P1.8 billion pesos. This is given by the DOH.”

        You also said — “Based off those quotes from Sen. Cayetano, actual family planning supply costs will be around P1.8b. Still a lot, but nowhere near P13.7b ”
        ——————-

        I say — If you may have noticed also, that in the interpellation between Sen. Lapid and Sen Cayetano, last Oct 4.  (read — LL: “Kung sa gamot lang, magkano? P2B? P3B?”  —-   PSC: “Parang P2-3B po ang suggestion ng DOH sa Committee. Pero hindi pa ito ang irerekomenda ko.”)

        Sen Cayetano  admitted  the figures P2-3 billion in her answer to the query by Sen. Lapid.  This may only mean that the cost of “gamot lang” may not only be P1.8 billion but may even go up to 3 billion.  Which is a very huge amount to spend for contraceptives that cannot even cure any disease.

        You have to admit also that the 13.7 billion pesos is still the proposed budget needed to implement this program.  THIS 13.7 billion pesos COVERS ONLY THE EXPENSES FOR 2012 (had this been approved).

        THE YEARLY EXPENSES to be incurred is not only 2-3 billion pesos , as this covers only the contraceptives. In addition to this, and as you have already acknowledged, 4.6 – 7 billion pesos for salaries for the midwives, etc. (This is not a one time expense)

        Other aspects of this program will still have to be funded continuously.
        ——————–

        So you see this rh bill is so expensive, and we the taxpayers will again have to shoulder this with our ‘blood , sweat and , tears’, in addition to our already very heavy tax burdens, as well as our expenses in the conduct of daily living.

        Not that I do not find a need to improve health and social services, but a more circumspect approach to spending the peoples taxes should be done by the government.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I had to ask you REPEATEDLY for actual sources.  You’ve repeatedly misinterpreted and downright lied about my statements, even after I’d explained my opinions in the simplest language.  Do not pretend you’ve been civil in this discussion, as a quick look at the thread will tell any observer otherwise.

        You still don’t appear to have understood my main point (that this article alone is very ambiguous), which is extremely disappointing.   Based off your other comments (“medicines that will not cure any disease”) you also still haven’t realized what the economic rationale for this bill is, despite it being explained multiple times both on this and other threads.  Honestly, it’s extremely frustrating talking to someone who refuses to learn.  You’re talking about keeping an open mind, and honestly you really need to keep your own advise.

        You have your opinion, and you’re free to it.  I do not agree with it, but I certainly support your right to voice it.  What I do have objections to is how you have either repeatedly chosen to lie about other people’s statements or simply not put any effort into understanding said comments, and how you’ve insisted on spreading lies about the bill even after reading the transcripts on the other threads.

        Regarding the actual budget bit, again, there is no conclusive budget, so we’re arguing about speculation here.  The fact that the author of the bill flat out says she’s recommending 1.8b tells me that the number will likely be close to that, especially as I’m sure members of the senate will push to have the portion that goes to medicines reduced

        Also, yes, P13-14b is a lot per year, but again there are the economic benefits to consider.  More knowledgeable economists than either you or I support the bill for a reason.  And people are glossing over this, but many aspects of the RH Bill (more midwives, improved hospital facilities) are pretty non-controversial, and they’ll make up the majority of costs for the bill.

      • Anonymous

        The article above is the main point of contention in this thread, and I have shown to you very clearly that the first 2 paragraphs are sufficient in form and substance, to show that the rh bill’s price tag is exactly as it says.  I also said in my replies that if you think the article is inconclusive, you should ask the Inquirer for a clarification.

        It is not my duty to provide you with sources, as this is your obligation to yourself if you want to conduct yourself with a semblance of being intelligent.  Although  I gave you other sources, so you won’t seem to be lost. I gave Sen Cayetano’s website article as a sign of good faith and fair play.

        The Inquirer News is a legitimate news organization, and the article’s first 2 paragraphs were very clear, with direct quote.  The ABS-CBN’s article about this matter of the rh bill’s price tag essentially shows the same info.  The web site of Sen Cayetano says the same total amount.  ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE AMBIGUOUS AS WELL?

        For you to say that the Inquirer’s info is ambiguous is PALUSOT at best, otherwise you are just being unintelligent.
        ——————————
        excerpt:

        MANILA, Philippines—The Department of Health is proposing close to P14 billion to fund the controversial Reproductive Health bill in 2012, Senator Pia Cayetano disclosed during plenary deliberations of the measure on Tuesday.

        “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.
        ——

        ABS-CBN News By Ryan Chua, Posted at 10/04/2011 7:22 PM, excerpt:

        “Lapid went on to ask about the cost of implementing an RH law.

        Cayetano
        said the bill does not specify an amount, but the Department of Health
        (DOH) has pegged it at P13 billion should it be enacted. The lady
        senator added she is still evaluating the proposal.”
        ——

        News Release. 5 October 2011.  RH debate highlights: October 4 , Interpellations on Senate Bill No. 2865 excerpt:

        LL: “Magkano po ang (budget) kabuuan?”

        PSC: “Ito po ang proposal ng DOH. Bago ko ibigay ang kabuuan, nire-request ko pa ito na himayin ng DOH. For 2012, P13.7B ang kanilang hinihingi. May P3M po para sa major final output sa health policy and development program; capacity building ay P18.5M; sa priority health programs, P12.5B. Hindi ko po ibinibigay ang suporta sa halaga na ito dahil hihimayin pa.”
        ———————-

        IT IS YOUR DUTY TO CHECK FACTS BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. The fact that you made erroneous conclusions/ conjectures based on erroneous or baseless premise makes it your fault.  When people tell you that you make up lies and misrepresentation based on your own errors, that is your fault.

        I understand your post very clearly, as you wrote it.  Although I have a good idea of your mentality, I would not like to judge you according to my impressions of you, but rather on how you make your arguments, and what those arguments say.
        ———————

        Maybe you have misconstrued my preceding reply.  Please read again.

        “Neither calling your opponents clowns, trolls nor liars, as this name calling has a very strong  tendency to bounce back to you, and with good reason as I have demonstrated and proven by use of proper and truthful arguments.”  

        Our previous exchanges was a demonstration to you that when you call people clowns, trolls, or liars, and yet you are doing the same things that your name(calling) connotes, you will find that people will fight back and prove to you that you are what you call other people to be.
        ———————–

        My offer in my preceding post still stands.  Peace and enlightenment.  Tell the truth as it is.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Except it wasn’t clear, and frankly an institution like the Inquirer should be reporting things more clearly.  Given the fact that they have, in the past, distorted headlines to shoehorn in sensationalist headlines (as all papers have, really) I was a bit skeptical.

        I never said the amount in the quote itself was ambiguous.  I said WHAT THE AMOUNT REFERRED TO was ambiguous.  It’s a bit depressing that you STILL don’t understand that.  I know I’ve said this before, but based off conversations with you, your English comprehension skills really do need help.  And I’m being completely serious there.

        I pointed out that I was doubtful about the article.  It is isn’t my responsibility to look out for other sources to crosscheck, mainly because this is a discussion thread about THE ACTUAL ARTICLE.

        And I’ve been telling the truth.  You’ve repeatedly been spreading misinformation, even after being corrected.  I’m done with you on this thread.  I’d hoped that the idea of actually reading up before making stupid claims would stick with you, but I’m not too hopeful.

      • Anonymous

        BUTATA KA NA HUMIHIRIT PA. WALA KANG HONOR SA SARILI MO.

      • Anonymous

        I like your comment.  Parang fiction.

      • Anonymous

        Jose,  yung comment mo ay paikot ikot na mga pangungusap na walang pinatu-tunguhan.

    • Anonymous

      Jose,

      Propagandist ng rh bill  tumigil ka nga. Akala mo may halaga ang mga pagkukunwari mo. 

      Kunwari na-aapektohan ka ng balitang iyan, eh alam mo naman na talagang napaka-laking pera ang masasayang at mapupunta sa pagnanakaw ng kaban ng bayan sa rh bill na iyan.

    • Anonymous

      Jose, Ano ba yan? Are you intentionally trying to mislead people here?

      Sa 2012 ang requested budget ng DOH ay close to 43 billlion pesos. 

  • Arnel Barral

    DUMEPENSA KAAGAD AT GALIT NA GALIT NA NAMAN ANG MGA MALILIBOG AT PERVERTED NA PINOY NA PRO-BILL SA NEWS NA ITO. FACT YAN Oi. 

    P14 BILLION PARA SA CONDOMS AT PANG TAWID LIBOG. HAHA
    MAGPAKASAWA KAYO SA KAHALAYAN NINYO NGAYON DITO SA LUPA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5HKALRICF7V6QM6MYPC5TJCFQ Herbert David

    Pagbigyan na natin si Jose, napahiya na talaga siya kaya ayaw niyang aminin. Kaya ngayon palusot na lang si Jose.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Napahiya?  We must be reading different threads.

      Or maybe your perception of reality is as skewed as Ian’s.

      • Anonymous

        Nakaka-awa ka. You don”t even realize that you’ve been screwed. Tignan mo yung thread with an open eye para di ka parang bulag. 

        You have been proven to have lied again and again.  WALA KANG CREDIBILITY

  • Anonymous

    SOME SPACED OUT PROPAGANDISTS REASON THAT SPENDING 13.7 BILLION FOR THE RH BILL WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY.

    Whose economy I ask?  The contraceptive manufacturers? The politician advocates? The propagandists?

    THIS 13.7 billion pesos COVERS ONLY THE EXPENSES FOR 2012 (had this been approved).

    THE YEARLY EXPENSES to be incurred is not only 2-3 billion pesos , as this covers only the contraceptives. (This is not a one time expense)

    Other aspects of this program will still have to be funded continuously.
    ——————–

    This rh bill is so expensive, and we the taxpayers will again have to shoulder this with our ‘blood , sweat and , tears’, in addition to our already very heavy tax burdens, as well as our expenses in the conduct of daily living.

    We the taxpayers better get our act together and tell those who are in government not to burden us with projects that are clearly not advantageous  to us.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      “SOME SPACED OUT PROPAGANDISTS REASON THAT SPENDING 13.7 BILLION FOR THE RH BILL WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY.”

      ‘Spaced out propagandists?’  Try the faculty of the UP School of Economics, who have repeatedly spoken out in favor of the bill not only for the health benefits but also for the economic benefits it’ll offer to the country.

      Given the choice between believing a group of highly respected professors of economics and a random kook on the internet who STILL doesn’t understand the economic rationale behind the RH Bill, I (and really, anyone sane) will be going with the opinion of the professors, thanks.

      • Anonymous

        GUILTY KA BA?  PROPAGANDIST NA WALANG KAHIHIYAN. 

        Puro kasinungalingan ang ginagawa.  Huli na sa akto nagsisinungaling pa. Still aping other people’s comments?   Then lying about the cost of the rh bill?  Didn’t you say 34 million pesos for the rh bill?  and 14 billion pesos for the DOH Budget for 2012?

        WALA KANG CREDIBILITY

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Do you honestly think you know more about economics than the faculty of the UP School of Economics?

        Yes or no question.

        And it’s not my fault that you do not understand my comments.  I said that that was what this article implied, and I stand  by that statement.  We’ve established that you don’t understand what I type out, so I’ll ask you to stop spreading lies about me.

      • Anonymous

        You said — “We’ve established that you don’t understand what I type out,”

        I say — Jose, I understand what you write, and you are mistaken. I have proven time and again that you have been misrepresenting facts and have been making downright untrue statements. And afterwards you make accusations that the other people lied and call them clowns; just to further your propaganda.  

        If you are sincere, you could just apologize and say, ‘Sorry I was mistaken’ and everything would be alright.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No Ian, you clearly don’t.  If you did, you’d understand the difference between making a declarative statement as to the cost of the RH bill and saying that an article is misleading.  If you’re not going to put any effort into understanding something, don’t comment on it.  That applies to both my posts and to the RH Bill, for the record.

        Again though, I have to repeat my question: Do you honestly think you know more about economics than the faculty of the UP School of Economics?  Yes or no?And I’ll save time by giving my responses for both answers:

        If you think you know more about economics than a group of people who all have doctorates and who have dedicated their lives to that field, than you are kidding yourself.

        If you acknowledge that you do not know more about economics than the faculty of the UP School of Economics, than why do you persist in insisting that there are no economic benefits to be had from the RH Bill when people who know far more than you are stating that there clearly are?

      • Anonymous

        Jose, YOU ARE A SHAMELESS LIAR. Wala kang credibility.
        ——————————
        Did I ever insist that there was no economic benefits to be had from the rh bill? PROVE IT, put up or shut up. Stupid propagandist.

        Bakit mo sina-sangkalan ang mga UP Professors? Hindi mo kayang mag-present ng arguments favorable para sa cause mo? Still thinking of aping other people’s opinion again? hahahaha

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I don’t have time to dig through this thread, as quite frankly I don’t give a crap what you think.  I don’t like the idea of sifting through your verbal diarrhea either.  Besides, you haven’t retracted your lies about my statements, so I see no reason to do so.

        And about the UP profs?  Here’s a quote right on this page from you:

        “SOME SPACED OUT PROPAGANDISTS REASON THAT SPENDING 13.7 BILLION FOR THE RH BILL WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY.”

        You’ve called the UP professors, a group of people I have personally learned from that I respect immensely ‘spaced out propagandists.’  That, despite not knowing even a fraction of what those professors know.  I don’t care what you call me, but insults people I know and respect and I WILL call you on it.  You’re a pathetic liar who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

        You think citing the UP professors is somehow proof that I can’t make my
        own arguments?  Only fools like you think citing the knowledge of
        people who know better is somehow dishonorable.  Listen to your betters, it might stop your sounding like a complete clown.

        I’ll go back to it, as you’re dodging the question: Do you honestly think you know more about economics than the faculty of the UP School of Economics?

        Yes or no question.

        Stop dodging the question, you pathetic little liar.

  • Anonymous

    I am a businessman.  I do not need a UP professor to figure this out. — When you overburden people
    with too many taxes, businesses suffer.

    Surely you do not think 13.7 billion pesos is not going to matter.  From whom do you think they will
    get this amount? — They will extract blood from the taxpayer; in the form of permits, licenses and other fees and other taxes.

    It would be alright if the government will give this back to the people who pay taxes in the form of better business climate. But, when the taxes go to graft and corruption and when taxes are spent for non income generating expenses (as in the projected 2-3 billion pesos a year for contraceptives, among other dubious expenses) it is a loss; it is a burden to taxpayers.

    You will feel the pinch come tax time; you will feel the pinch whenever you purchase supplies for your business, and to pay for the utilities, and when you have to pay higher salaries as well as the other expenses.  You will feel the pinch whenever your children ask for their allowances, and the daily home expenses gets higher.

    Why are government programs being pushed by lobbyists?  It is common knowledge that people in
    government stand to earn a huge bunch of money (30 -50% kickback) for government contracts. And lobbyists get paid huge sums just to make the government approve these purchases.  That
    is too much people’s money to throw away.

    It’s reprehensible, more so when you come to think of it, that much of these taxes will be used to buy contraceptives just because some irresponsible people can’t control their sex urges.  If the rh advocates really believe that contraceptive use is good, they should purchase it themselves. — You shouldn’t burden other people with your personal sexual needs.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      The government looks at the bigger picture.  Leaving aside how much it improves people’s lives, If the fiscal benefits the RH bill offers outweigh the increase in taxes / decrease in other services that would be required, it would be worth doing fiscally.  This isn’t really hard to understand, and I have to say that the the complete ignorance of both economics and basic business principle you’re showing implies to me that you’re lying about being a ‘businessman’.

      You seem so dismissive of economics.  Take a course in it, you might learn something.  Unless someone’s willing to pay me to waste my time teaching internet trolls basic economics, I’m not going to bother teaching people who clearly don’t want to learn.

      You’re wasting my time, and frankly if you hadn’t slandered UP professors I’d have been done with you a long time ago.  Unless your next post is your admitting you don’t know anything about economics compared to the collective UP faculty, I’m done with this thread.  Enjoy ignorance, liar.

      • Anonymous

        Reply to Jose Crisostomo,

        You said —“You’ve called the UP professors, a group of people I have personally
        learned from that I respect immensely ‘spaced out propagandists.’ “

        I say — ‘SOME SPACED OUT PROPAGANDISTS REASON THAT SPENDING 13.7 BILLION FOR THE RH BILL WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY.’

        Where does it say in my statement that I was referring to ‘UP Professors’?  

        This is one of the types of lies and deceit that you have been doing in this site and at other sites. You are fond of taking peoples statements and then you put a spin on it, regardless of the fact that you know you will be lying.  

        STOP SPEWING ‘SH IT’ FROM YOUR MOUTH.  HINDI LAHAT MALO-LOKO MO. 
        —————

        I was referring to you Jose the ‘SPACED OUT PROPAGANDIST ’; you and your kind.  You engage in debates without any clear idea about what you are talking about. BOBO

        It is very clear in the article above what the proposed cost of the rh bill was. But still you chose to make downright lies just so you can make your stupid propaganda. (You said 34 million pesos for the rh bill and 14 billion pesos for the entire DOH budget, and then you tried to change it into a budget for supplies and cars – hahahaha).

        First, go back to school and improve on your comprehension.  And then switch on your brain so that you won’t continue to be stupid. –

        Nakakahiya ka.  Just the thought of you being a student of UP should send professors there puking. You dishonor the institution by your conduct.   WALA KANG CREDIBILITY.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You know what, I had a reply typed out, but there’s no point in reasoning with people who aren’t going to understand the reply anyway.  You’re a waste of time, Ian.

        If anyone else out there wants to have a reasonable, constructive discussion on this subject, I’ll get back to you.  Ian, go take an English comprehension course.

      • Anonymous

        BOBO. STOP SPEWING ‘SH IT’ FROM YOUR MOUTH. HINDI LAHAT MALO-LOKO MO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJLYJZS6P5CGUIJXI5SB4RIBTQ Christopher John

    Jose is so funny, he cannot really accept that the RH Bill costs P14billion pesos haha!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Really Ian?  Alternate accounts just so it looks like people actually agree with you?  That’s just sad.

      Only alternative would be that there;s another person in the Philippines as stupid as you, and that would just be depressing.

      For the record, here’s what I said a few pages back:

      “Given those more definite sources, I’m happy to admit that Php13.7 billion is, indeed the correct amount.”

      That’s a quote on the record. If you’re too stupid to understand that, then you must be Ian Alera.

      Here, have a pity like, Ian v2.

      • Anonymous

        Hindi mo matanggap sa sarili mo na bobo ka.  Kailangan ka pang i-force feed ng information para aminin mo.

        Napaka tanga mo para  isipin na alternate acct ko yan.   GAWAIN MO SIGURO.  PROPAGANDIST NA PULPOL.



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