Bishop backs rally vs RH law

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BACOLOD CITY—“God knows we just do our part.”

That was Bacolod Bishop Vicente Navarra’s answer when asked on Sunday whether the crowd of 6,000 at the Church-led rally against the reproductive health (RH) law on Saturday represented the Catholic vote in the city.

Bacolod has a population of 511,820 (as of May 1, 2010, the most recent figure from the National Statistical Coordinating Board). The 6,000 who came to the rally held at Bacolod Public Plaza represented only 1.2 percent of the city’s total population.

But Navarra said everybody was happy with the turnout, the remainder after another 6,000 gave up when heavy rain poured on the march to the rally after 1 p.m.

The Diocese of Bacolod led the rally to guide voters in choosing candidates from two groups of politicians seeking election or reelection to the Senate in May’s midterm elections.

The Church has dubbed the two groups “Team Patay” (Death), for the reelectionists who voted for the RH bill in the 15th Congress, and “Team Buhay” (Life), for those who opposed the bill that would require, among other things, state-sponsored contraception and sex education in elementary and high schools.

Leading the opposition to the RH law, which has been temporarily halted by the Supreme Court, the Church urges voters to elect only candidates who fought the bill in Congress or in the streets during the divisive debate that ran for 10 years.

Certified by President Aquino as urgent legislation, the RH bill cleared the two houses of Congress late last year. Aquino quietly signed it into law on Dec. 21.

In Negros Occidental, the Church-endorsed candidates on Team Buhay include reelectionist Sen. Gregorio Honasan, Zambales Rep. Milagros “Mitos” Magsaysay, and Ang Kapatiran senatorial candidates John Carlos “JC” de los Reyes and Rizalito David.

All four spoke at the Bacolod rally.

The other candidates on the Church’s Team Buhay are reelectionist Senators Antonio Trillanes IV and Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Representatives Jose Victor Ejercito Estrada and Cynthia Villar.

No official claim

The Church makes no official claims about the existence of a Catholic vote in the Philippines, but organizations affiliated with the Church warn politicians who voted for the RH bill of a backlash at the polls in May.

Msgr. Meliton Oso, director of the Jaro Archdiocesan Social Action Center, said on Sunday that while he was not sure whether there was a Catholic vote, the stand of the Catholic Church against the RH law would definitely have an impact on how Catholics would vote.

The Jaro Archdiocese, however, will not tell its followers how to vote, Oso said.

“We respect the choice of voters and we as priests cannot dictate whom they should or should not vote,” Oso said.

But the Church, he said, has laid down criteria to guide voters in choosing candidates: lifestyle, track record, identity of backers, previous electoral record, and integrity.

Catholic lay groups promote those criteria while campaigning for candidates who oppose the RH law.

Through a movement they call “Solidarity Vote,” the lay groups urge voters not to elect candidates who voted for passage of the RH bill in the House and in the Senate.

Not only about RH

 

Independent senatorial candidate Teodoro Casiño is concerned that the elections have been reduced to a battle between opponents and supporters of the RH law.

On Sunday, Casiño urged the Church to “teach the faithful to be more discerning” in setting standards for legislators.

“Why choose a candidate on the basis of (opposition to the) RH law when a senator has a lot of other things to do in the Senate?” he asked during a break in his campaign in Pampanga.

But Archbishop Paciano Aniceto of San Fernando, Pampanga, said the Church was flexing its “pastoral muscle” to bring about good government.

“Like at Edsa (the 1986 People Power Revolution), [the Church] wants to put Christ in every area of life, in culture, education and politics. Christ is the first standard of [the Church’s] engagement in the world,” Aniceto said.

Beyond 2013

The engagement goes beyond May’s midterm elections and runs through the 2016 presidential election, for which various Catholic groups are even now preparing to carry on their fight against the RH law.

Representative Magsayay said many Catholic voters had learned the importance of electing candidates who share their values after the RH bill passed into law.

According to Magsaysay, a candidate of the United Nationalist Alliance (UNA), many Catholics were “mobilized for action” when lawmakers approved the reproductive health law.

“They began to realize that the kind of leaders they elect will affect their religious faith. If Congress will pass bills that are against the teachings of the Catholic Church, their fellow Catholics will be affected. So this time, they want to make sure that they elect senators, congressmen, governors and mayors who are prolife, pro-Catholic teachings,” she told reporters in Legazpi City on Sunday.

Prolife president

She said this action would extend all the way to the next election in 2016.

“They will want to elect a prolife, Catholic president in 2016, because they already saw the effect of somebody who does not have a high regard for the Catholic faith,” she said.

President Aquino backed the RH bill and personally appealed to his allies in Congress to vote for the bill despite opposition from the Catholic Church.

Magsaysay said the continued assertion by many politicians that there is no Catholic vote has challenged Catholics to show their strength.

“Let’s put it this way. In the past, the Catholic laity was always passive when it comes to elections. But because of what they did in the last RH bill deliberations, and the way the administration bashed the Catholic Church, of course the lay organizations of the Catholic Church were the ones most offended by that action. You can’t blame them if they want to be proactive now in this election,” she said.

Show of force

The Diocese of Lucena tried to stage a “show of force” at a religious convention on Saturday. About 8,000 people attended the Munting Sambayanang Kristiano (Little Christian Nation) convention, 3.2 percent of Lucena’s total population of 246,392.—With reports from Leila Salaverria in Legazpi City and Tonette Orejas and Armand Galang, Inquirer Central Luzon

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  • ztefertilizerscam10

    STOP DONATING YOUR MONEY TO THE CORRUPT BISHOP..

    The Bank Investments Of Different Dioceses

    Diocese / Church Foundation Company # Shares Owned Rank in Top 100 Total Investment Value

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 222,843,681 4th PHP12.724 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (REAL CASA DE MISERICORDIA) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 41,408,841 8th PHP2.364 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA (HOSPITAL DE SAN JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 22,072,182 13th PHP1.26 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSPICIO DE SAN JOSE) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 6,016,624 15th PHP343.55 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSP DE SA JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 4,285,572 17th PHP244.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (MAYORDOMIA DELA CATEDRAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 2,664,266 21st PHP152.13 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (ST. PAUL`S HOSPITAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 1,772,418 26th PHP101.21 Million

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 726,819 49th PHP41.50 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 551,382 60th PHP31.48 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF JARO Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 491,385 64th PHP28.06 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 2,370,000 31st PHP260.70 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION ARCHICOFRADIA DE N.P.J.N DE RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 1,234,603 75th PHP135.81 Million

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. San Miguel Corp (SMC) 957,516 79th PHP105.33 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO San Miguel Corp (SMC) 856,639 81st PHP94.23 Million

    REAL MONASTERIO DE LA PURISIMA CONCEPCION DE NUESTRA MADRE SANTA CLARA DE MANILA San Miguel Corp (SMC) 809,834 83rd PHP89.08 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION DE PADRES RECOLETOS POR BECAS Y VOCACIONES San Miguel Corp (SMC) 621,702 89th PHP68.39 Million

    CARMEL OF ST THERESE OF THE CHILD JESUS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 592,956 91st PHP65.23 Million

    THE DISCALCED CARMELITE NUNS OF CEBU San Miguel Corp (SMC) 451,864 95th PHP49.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF NUEVA SEGOVIA DE VIGAN San Miguel Corp (SMC) 428,067 98th PHP47.09 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,221,135 15th PHP66.68 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY – B Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,125,777 16th PHP64.70 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY-A Philex Mining Corp (PX) 1,091,027 69th PHP22.58 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO Ayala Corporation (AC) 24,015 73rd PHP9.29 Million

    KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION OF THE PHILS, INC. Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – A (ACPA) 60,000 2nd PHP31.80 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TAGBILARAN Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – B (ACPR) 10,000 64th PHP1.02 Million

    DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY OF ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PHINMA Corp. (PHN) 159,575 19th PHP2.12 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF JUAN DE DIOS PHINMA…

    • tarikan

      You mean sumasala cla bishops sa pagpadala sa Rome? Baka ganito ang sharing ng pera sa RC Archbishop of Manila: Ihahagis pataas ang mga pera — ang bumaba palupa sa RCAM. Ang pumaitaas sa Rome.

    • mamer2

      What about those pastors and other denominations, whose coffers are getting full with “silver & gold”…., okey lang kung sila…?,?

      • Jane Tan

        So, you’re justifying a wrong-doing by another wrong-doing? Lakas ng crab mentality sa Pinas kaya hinde umuunlad.

        Don’t you worry. We can take the little guys down once we take care of the big ones.

      • mamer2

        Now here you are lecturing me about “reading skills”..!

        NEVER did I say nor justify the withholding & accumulation of wealth by the R.C.

        What I meant was that you have FAILED to mention the others(denomination) in their accumulation of wealth…, therefore my comment of “…okey lang kung sila”.
        Are you engaging in ….”Selective Justice”…, only on those you despise..?

        Please don’t put words in “other persons’ mouth”…,
        it is VERY UNSANITARY.!

        And who are the “we” that you are ‘talking about’…?
        Conspirators of yours..?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        the pastors i know have 2 jobs and driving old cars. they dont live in a 10000 room palace. you should watch the tv show about millionaire priests who have condos on the ocean travel around the world and have expensive girls and cars..it was entertaining.the local priest here has a nice car better than any pastor i know, and he has 2 maltese dogs that cost 25000 pisos each.he wont even take any sick people to the hospital. i end up doing it. and this is a poor area.

      • mamer2

        You should widen your “world/field” where tv is concerned.
        Many big-time pastors, without mentioning names, could be seen on tv. And if you re-search further…, you will come to know/realize the hundreds of millions of dollars a year they receive as their personal income…, free of taxes and free of audit (in most cases).
        Some of these pastors had cases filed against them, and many were convicted…, and many others have lost their position in their churches because of fraud and sexual-misconduct (the Catholic cleric DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY on Sexual-Misconduct).
        Come on…, do not be selective in your condemnation of the “men of God”…, and be biased to the R.C. in particular.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        but you dont get the picture it isnt so much as priests raping babies.. it is the popes and cardinals lying, aiding, and abetting the animals so they can go somewhere else and rape again which has happened. . i not do know of any protestant church that protected rapists and lied for the. m. and i have widened my world. im not from here and i know rape victims and i have gone to over ten different churches because i moved so much so dont tell me about them. it isnt the raping priests it is the rotten core that protected them and is still protecting them.this is for you. fredrich nietzsche people dont want to hear the truth, because they dont want their illusions destroyed…

      • mamer2

        Have you any proof of “priests raping babies”…?
        It appears all you and your “allies” are master of is the spread of lies.
        Scandalous, outrageous…, gutter- LIES…., and HALF-Truths.

      • 33Sambuang2

        mamer talaga. ang pinaguusapan dito ang mga kahangalan ng obispo at pari.tangna di na nga nagbabayad ng taxes, puro sila pasarap. ang sarap ng pagkain nila, me kusinero at minsan nandyan pa si rosario na tagattimple ng kape ng mga hinayupak na ipokritong obispo at pari. bakit ko nasabi? kasi ang ninuno ko pari. angkan di damaso ang mga damuho.

      • mamer2

        If that be your concern…, then address it to ALL Denominations…, and NOT ONLY to the Roman Catholic Clergy.
        These other denominations, they too collect large sums and
        are ALL-TAX-FREE..!
        And please…, why keep repeating the name “Damaso”. This name is just a fictional character. You, people, could do better than this.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        yeah, and you could do better than you are.. i wonder why people are leaving the church in other countries by the millions. it is because of the church trying to bully them. . people are getting sick of being judged and preached to. ,plus the church had no business in government.. look at their track record. ever catholic country in the world is a third world country except for one rich one who shears its flock for money.

      • mamer2

        Oh really..?
        Then name me your church., or from what church are you a member of.
        Btw…., how many “churches” have you been a member of..?

      • mamer2

        tadokapur…..
        Please refrain from “swearing or calling gutter-names”.
        This will just reflect on where you came from or what you really are.

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    GlorIa bribed to Mitsubishop and Safari…

    Butuan City Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos, who received a Mitsubishi Montero, Bontoc-Lagawe Bishop Rodolfo Beltran (Nissan Pathfinder), Abra Bishop Leopoldo Jaucian (Mitsubishi Strada), Cotabato Archbishop Orlando Quevedo (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace), Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad (Mitsubishi Strada), Zamboanga Archbishop Romulo Valles (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace); and Nueva Segovia Archbishop Ernesto Salgado (Isuzu Crosswind).

    • tarikan

      Napamahal pa nga ang regalo ni Gloria sa mga bishop para masiguro na sya ay sa langit patungo. Ilang milyones yong 7 high-end vehicles na yon? Si Ninang Imelda ko isang kaing mangga laang kada buan ang padala pa Vatican assured na sya sa langit may hatak pang mga anak at apo. Oh mura laang ang lagay pa langit kung tutuusin.

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory

    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.

    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States:

    “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how

    National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it

    to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse Crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    • tarikan

      There’s a saying: The crookedness of the majority should not stain the remaining few (gets my sarcasm?) Hahaha!

    • 33Sam

      Not saying that sexcapades don’t happen in the clergy but it may also be that a lot of those “scandals” are trumped up charges to scare some priests into getting with the program of the Vatican moving with the new world order. The Vatican signed onto the Treaty Of Rome. Though Catholics look at the Vatican as the seat of Catholicism, it is however a business with business minded controllers. The Pope resigns for questionable reasons, a first in a long long time. Have to wonder if politics are at the root of much the Vatican does.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        those trumped up charges have cost the church over 3 billion dollars so far. plus i knew some of the rape victims and they werent trumped up.. america is now putting the bishops who protected those animals in jail in jail some victims are now dead because they killed themselves from shame others have gone insane. and it wasnt all priests nuns had some large law suits against them also.go to google and look at nuns abusing children.. ..

    • 33Sambuang2

      here in california alone, millions of dollars were paid to the victims of abuses from pedeophile priest. and some filipino priest were included in the case. tado kang obispo ka. separation of church and state alam mo ba yang tado ka? supilin mo ang mga pang aabuso ng mga pari mo sa mga bata hayup ka.

  • Hfxwst

    Catholic clerics are so unsure about their religion they seek to entrench it in legislation as they fear it won’t stand alone. They should take example of Pinoy Muslims, Mormons, Born Again Christians and others who are secure in their faith, and do not seek to abuse the Constitution by jamming a dogma down the throats of others. Catholic Clerics need to be taken to task by the Vatican, and called away for faith retraining. Sad for catholics.

    • mamer2

      Stupid & Contradictory comment.!
      How could the “…Muslims, Mormons, Born Again & others (be) jamming a Catholic dogma down the throats of others”…?.?.?
      I likewise feel “a little sad” for those who placed “like” without reading & understanding the comment very well.

      • Jane Tan

        I feel sad that you have no reading skills and you’re acting like you know better than “those who placed ‘like’ without reading and understanding the comment very well”.

        //”They should take example of Pinoy Muslims, Mormons, Born Again Christians and others who are secure in their faith…”//

        STOP and take-in the first statement

        //”…and do not seek to abuse the Constitution by jamming a Catholic dogma down the throats of others.”//

        STOP and take-in the second statement.

        IMO a person who doesn’t know how to read shouldn’t judge a person that did not read.

      • panhase

        My sentiment also, if the first name of a person is not Google then this person should not pretend to know better.

      • mamer2

        @Jane T :
        I feel sad that you question my reading skills.
        But, how can one (I, for instance) could understand what is written when the writer doesn’t pause with a “comma” or a “period” when writing a sentence.
        Putting two or more ideas of varying nature/subjects should not be placed in one sentence…, to avoid ambiguity & misunderstanding.

        Ma’am…, I assure you, there is nothing wrong with my reading skills.
        (MORE so, in the English Language.!)

      • mamer2

        @Hfxwst:
        I assure you…., THAT Catholic Clerics are NOT UN-sure of their Religion.
        Now here, IT IS YOU who is JUDGING Others…, WITHOUT KNOWING the Whole, True FACTS..!

      • Hfxwst

        It appears it is you who needs to read and understand.

      • mamer2

        How can one understand what is written when

        what was written is “iLL-WRITTEN”.

    • 33Sam

      I think the Vatican holds sway over many clerics as it is. The Vatican itself may not be the monastery some devout priests were told existed.

  • bisdakis

    Hang all Padre Damasos!

    • UrHONOR

      HUWAG naman ganyan na laht ay ibibitay….yong iba, i-guillotine! :(

  • Hey_Dudes

    If many of the candidates these hypocrite bishops tagged Team Patay wins, will it feel the same way as when a stake was driven into Dracula’s heart? They already lost their battle during the RH law campaign. Now they are staking their credibility by hosting this Team Patay – Team Buhay campaign. Will these hypocrites ever learn a thing or two about separation between church and state? Mind you , they are not even paying taxes? Ang haba naman ng ating pasensiya mga kababayans. Noon, sa isang lugar na kilalang El Salvador, dahil sa pakiki-alam ng simbahang katoliko doon, maraming pare at obispo ang ngayon ay permanenteng tahimik na.

    • mamer2

      What church or churches PAY TAXES..?
      Your church, if you have one…, I’m quite sure…, DO NOT ALSO PAY TAXES..!

  • tekateka

    Money is their God! without it, they will all be pimps!

  • brunogiordano

    may mamamana kaya ang mga anak ni TATAY DAMASO pag sila ay napunta sa “HEAVEN”????

    ang pagkaalam ng lahat ayaw ng VATICAN na mag asawa ang mga pari ay pag sumakabilang na sila, ang kanila pag aari ay mapunta sa simbahan at walang asawa at anak na magmamana.

    totoo ba ito?????

  • Jomex

    “Like at Edsa (the 1986 People Power Revolution), [the Church] wants to put Christ in every area of life, in culture, education and politics. Christ is the first standard of [the Church’s] engagement in the world,” Aniceto said.

    This statement smacks of theocracy, just like Saudi Arabia. May I remind the bishop that we are a democratic country. What about the Muslims and nonbelievers like me? I dont put Christ in every area of my life, culture, education and politics. What a stupid thing to say. Let us all once more fight this theocratic encroachment into secular and democratic society, free from the dictates of religious demagogues. Let us always promote separation of state and church in public schools and in politics.

    • tarikan

      God said “I gave each and every individual free will”. The Catholic Church said: “The free will shall be according to our wishes”. “Ditto”, INC said.

    • mamer2

      BUT it would be okey to put “Sharia” and all that “sh_T” into peoples’ lives…,
      eh Jomex…?

      • http://twitter.com/kevin_ganch Kevin Ganchero

        He never said or implied that. In fact, he’s against the very notion of imposing a belief at the expense of freewill. You have to learn how to read and re-read.

      • mamer2

        Then he should say so…, that he “condemns these policies in those Muslim countries”.

      • Jomex

        refer to my answer above^

      • Jomex

        No. The constitutional principle of separation of state and church guarantees freedom of ALL religions whereby no religion will persecute another one. In human history, religious leaders and religious politicians or demagogues have used their religion to persecute others minority religions and even nonbelievers. They set up their religion in every area of society, education, culture and politics – to the exclusion of other religions and nonbelievers. These minority religions and nonbelievers became sort of secondary citizens. Some were killed and some were jailed for even practicing their religions or nonreligion. So what the bishop suggests is contrary to democratic values that we practice in the Philippines. It may sound good to a Catholic to hear the words “Christ in every area of life, in culture, education and politics” but in reality, it is dictatorship of one religion over the minority ones. It means that if one is a muslim, or INC or an atheist, he would be treated unfairly. That is why religion should not be in state affairs.

      • mamer2

        Separation of Church & State and Freedom for all religions are guaranteed here in the Philippines and in our constitution.

        BUT, are these Guarantees and Freedoms extended/given to all in countries CONTROLLED by the Muslims..? In all these countries.?

      • panhase

        If there is nothing wrong with your reading skills, as you mentioned before, then it is maybe a comprehension problem?

      • mamer2

        @panhase:disqus –
        What, may I ask you…., MAKE YOU SAY THAT..?

        OR Maybe, it is you who has a COMPREHENSION PROBLEM having just arose from who knows where.

      • panhase

        What make me say that? Because it seems that you do not comprehend what is written in the comments of jomex.
        About morality, you asked what could be the basis for morality. Well, try Immanuel Kant for example. It´s not so difficult to understand.
        Well with my arising, well you could have a point there. See there is a time difference between the Philippines and the place where I am residing at the moment.

      • mamer2

        Now, it is you who has the comprehension problem.
        Since we who believe in the Scriptures (the Bible, in this case) it is here, where we learn about sin and the do’s and don’ts including morality.
        Now, Jomex…, an admitted Atheist, was asked by me that question about morality. Your friend E.Kant was never a feature in our “discussion”.
        NOW…, “panhase” where in this discussion and my comments do you question my comprehension.?
        Maybe, it is between you and your “fast tongue” in
        dis-coordination with your “slow brain” resulting in your “speaking”/commenting way ahead of what your “slow brain” may have “digested” in this discussion.

      • Jomex

        mamer2, the reason why people do not follow most of the bible is because it is an immoral book. Harry Potter books have more morality than your Bible! where else can you find in one that endorse killing of homosexuals, adulterers, witches, children, other tribes. the bible endorses slavery and killing of nonbelievers. We atheists and freethinkers do not follow the bible because it is ill written by illiterate men who knew that the earth was flat! I can write a book that is better than the bible. For you to say that your morality is from the bible is very scary indeed!

      • panhase

        You just proved my point. Try to read slowly, it might help.
        And you stated “since we believe in the Scripture”. Well, how come you assume that “we” believe in the Scriptures?
        And it is not E.Kant, it is Immanuel Kant with an “I”. He is also not my friend by the way. You could try Google to find out who he is. Maybe you will even read some of his works. It´s not that difficult, if you take your time you might understand some of it.

      • mamer2

        Boy…, the way you reply to my comments sure show how shallow a person you really are.
        You can’t even understand common conversational “slang”.
        Why don’t you go back to the gutters or under the rock from whence you came.
        You sure take the “cake”. (NOW, do I still have to explain this expression, dumb-assho_e.?

      • panhase

        Well my dear friend, seems I have annoyed a little boy.
        By the way insulting others will reflect on your personality. Do you think you will win some pogi points by doing that or do you just want to highlight the morality and the do´s and don´t´s you learned from the Scripture?

      • mamer2

        First : I am not your dear friend.
        Secondly: And you, were the one who did the initial insult.
        And lastly…, I do not wish to communicate further with someone who misrepresents themself. Errand Boy.

      • panhase

        Well my dear friend, speaking about contradictions, if you do not wish to communicate with me the why do you continue doing exactly that?
        And besides working on your comprehension problems you could also do something about your grammar.

      • Jomex

        Yes, I condemn ALL theocratic encroachment, including Islamic countries. We atheists work to promote secular humanism in ALL countries. Through the UN, we combat the Islamic lobby of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Pakistan and other Muslim countries to put up blasphemy laws that will prosecute anyone who criticise Islam. For all of us who believe in democracy and free speech, we believe that no religion, including Islam, is immune from criticism.

      • mamer2

        @Jomex –
        Being an Atheists, as you say you are…., what is/are your basis for “Morality”…, “Crimes”…, “Good and Bad”…, “Godly and Evil”…., “the invaluable individual person”…, etc.etc.etc

      • Jomex

        Fortunately I know the arguments from both sides, religion and atheism. my being a former Catholic seminarian helped in this. The reason why you ask about whats the basis for atheist morality is either you want to remain ignorant about it or you dont want to know and dont care. A simple google on your part will answer your question.

        So where do we get our morality? we dont get our morality from bronze age texts written by illiterate men who did not know the earth revolved around the sun. biblical or koranic texts that tell you to kill homosexuals, stone women for adultery or how to keep and treat slaves. we get our morality from human conversation, from asking questions, from discussions, from human reason, from facts and evidence derived from analyzing human conditions and circumstances. it is a morality borne of responsibility, not obedience from a god. secular morality therefore is more superior than your morality.

      • mamer2

        Reading your comment, with your “T.H.” to appear like some “level-headed; well-balanced & well-informed” atheist makes me smile with some amusement.

        You get your source of wisdom from the “persons” you meet.
        (My Observation: And where do these “persons” get their “superior moral knowledge”…?)

        You get your source (also) from …

        “evidence derived from analyzing human conditions and circumstances.” (My Observation: I don’t how you do this, and what the heck do you mean here)

        “…it is a morality borne of responsibility, not obedience from god, secular morality therefore is more superior than your morality.” (M.O. : another “T.H.” to be with “hi-falutin” words which could mean “almost anything” or just a “plain NOTHING”.)

        All that I could reply to you could be put down into this common phrase: “LESS TALK.., LESS MISTAKE.”
        Jomex: Have a nice life…, and Have a Better After-Life.!

      • Jomex

        You spent your response attacking me rather than attacking the argument. Typical religious tactic.

      • mamer2

        Jomex…, if you think my answer was a personal attack on you…, believe me…, IT WAS NOT MY INTENTION.!
        what I commented on, or rather, what I tried to say re your reply was what I wrote. IT was the contents of your reply that I was attacking on.
        Please realisze…, or rather be aware…to RECALL, that it was you who first criticize me

        Probably, what got your “goat” was my last phrase.
        Well, it was done…1) a little in jest;
        2) and more of my sincere closing to our lively discussion.
        Peace…, man.

      • Jomex

        Oh yes! You are attacking me instead and you’re very good at it lol! panhase is right, you dont know how to read! And I am glad that you react that way because it only shows that religious fanatics like you are running out of ideas. instead of answering my arguments, you opted to attack me. IT IS A SERIOUS SIGN of desperation on your part. Just like the bishops, they now resort to desperate tactics.

      • mamer2

        I now refuse to discuss further with one whose mind is incoherent and inconsistent to handle a single subject for a short period of time.
        In other words…., ayaw ko pumatol sa isang sirang ulo…, katulad mo. Buang.

      • Jomex

        i will let the readers of our comments to decide which one of us is incoherent and inconsistent.

      • Jomex

        I am still waiting for your response.

      • mamer2

        Look up, young man.
        Look up.!

      • Jomex

        Young? How old are you young man?

      • Jomex

        While it is a good principle to have FREEDOM OF RELIGION, there is also FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Secular people, composed of believers and nonbelievers alike recognize that, in order for humanity to emancipate itself and grow, they must keep religion out of government. It is secular people, freethinkers and humanists that spoke out against slavery, for women’s right to vote, against capital punishment, for humane treatment of the mentally ill, for gay rights, etc.

      • mamer2

        Then, what have you done to eliminate.., or at least reduce, the atrocities being done to non-muslims in muslim-controlled countries.?

      • Hfxwst

        Until we clean up our own Catholic mess in this country, we would not be justified in complaining of religious extremism in other countries. There can be no “Freedom of Religion” until there is freedom from all religions.

      • mamer2

        When did it become “our own Catholic”…., as you say…, when you are not even a Catholic.?

      • Hfxwst

        You are trying to ram your religious beliefs down my throat because you are insecure about them. Do you expect me to gag and choke in silence?

      • Jomex

        Refer to my reply above^^

  • Tommy

    One step forward, two steps back: the Philippine story.

    Seriously, the CBCP has lost so much credibility in the past few years.

  • joeybg

    “ANG PAGIGING MALAPIT SA DIYOS AY ANG PAGGAWA AT PAGTULONG SA KAPWA, HINDI ANG PAGPUNTA SA SIMBAHAN O KAPILYA AT PAGBIBIGAY NG DONASYON TUWING ARAW NG LINGGO.”

    TIPUNIN NA LAMANG NINYO ANG INYONG MGA DONASYON AT GAMITIN SA INYONG PAMILYA, “ANAK O ASAWA”, O SA TALAGANG NANGANGAILANGAN.

    “MAGSIMBA KA TUWING LINGGO AT PISTANG PANGILING”… IBIG SABIHIN NA IALAY MO ANG IYONG SARILI,” PAGTULONG SA KAPWA” PAGDARASAL SA DIYOS AT PASASALAMAT,” ISANG BESES SA LOOB NG ISANG LINGGO, KAHIT ANONG ARAW”, HINDI LAMANG ANG ARAW NG LINGGO.

    SAAN NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA NA MAGTAYO TAYO NG SARILI NATING RELIHIYON AT SIMBAHAN AT MANGHINGI NG DONASYON.???

    SI HESUS NA ANAK NG DIYOS PAGKATAPOS NIYANG MAGBIGAY NG MGA ARAL AT SALITA SA KANYANG MGA TAGA-SUNOD AY SIYA PA ANG NAGPAKAIN AT NAGPA-INOM.

    ANG PAKIKIPAG-USAP O PANANALIG SA DIYOS AY ANG PAGTULONG SA KAPWA O NANGANGAILANGAN, HINDI ANG PAGPUNTA SA MGA SIMBAHAN O KAPILYA TUWING ARAW NG LINGGO.

    • Jane Tan

      Maybe we should digress and donate pastries instead of money. Atleast with food, we know where it will end up. And if you see the priests getting fatter, you know where it all goes lol

    • honest man

      Ako’y naniniwala sa lahat ng sinasabi mo. In every sense, you are corect.

      • joeybg

        thanks… just keep helping the needy…. god bless you always.

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    Your job is to follow the law…..and encourage the citizens to do the same…

  • UrHONOR

    “God knows we just do our part.”

    IF it is the traditional god that this TNL bisyap is referring to, god knows everything and anything that happens, even what the tatay did and are doing.

    Pagpapa-cute at pagpapa-kwela lamang yang pagsasabi ng, “God knows we just do our part.” Para na din sinabi na ang araw ay sisikat sa umaga at ang buwan ay liliwanag sa gabi….walang ibig sabihin kundi ang pagpapalapad ng papel.

    Well, your god indeed knows you did your part that you were not supposed to in a field that you have no business to be in. And in the event the part you did yielded negative result, what’s the rationalization? “God wants us to suffer and be patient as those who bear suffering in life will earn the kingdom of god”. And if positive, “See, god is on our side and god is smiling on us right now”. Kung iba ay nanalo at iba naman ay natalo, “God has different plans for you losers….have patience….your day will come”. Sus ginoo…. lumang-luma ng iskrip at eksena yan…. mga tatay ng bayan!

  • penoy2012

    Huwag iboto ang Team PATAY.

    • Jane Tan

      So… iboboto mo si Binay? Tanga ka pala. Gamitin mo kaya utak mo kaysa sunod ka lang ng sunod ng parang aso.

      • marionics

        nancy

        nancy

        nancy

        he he

      • joeybg

        nancy-hudas ay nadulas tatlong kawatan ang nalagas

    • joshmale2004

      God created you into his likeness and has created your mind to think good and use your free will as God intended it to be. But if you don’t exercise this free will and discerning mind and follow just what others want you to do, then I pity you.

  • jackereno

    i am a catholic but i don’t like the stand of church leaders whenever it interfers with politics. parang pinadadami lang nila ang mga street children na hindi naman nila natutulungan mabigyan ng basic needs. tigilan nyo na nga yang RH bill na iyan. we need quality children not quantity. bakit di nyo pagtuunan kung pano mabago ang political system natin tulad ng pag alis ng pork barrel, political dynasty, upgrade the qualification of candidates ( educational attainment, track records, moral ascendancy ) and voters as well. these are the concrete solution to our cyclical problems. hirap sa atin mapa church leaders, media, rallyists ok lang mga buraot na candidates basta naaambunan kayo ng funds na galing sa kurakot. magising na nga kayo para umahon na ang bansa natin. itong eco progress na pinagmamalaki ni aquino ay hindi sustainable dahil hindi matibay ang political system natin, sooner or later it will just go down the drain as what happened during the admin of ramos.

  • marionics

    hindi pa ba nag time-in ang mga topak? hahaha

  • justjarred

    Pakialamero ang mga pari kaya nakaka walang ganang magsimba

  • Patrick R

    It seems these bishops will support ANYONE as long as they’re against the RH law. Does the end justify the means? Is the RH law the ONLY issue for the Catholic Church? What about the economy, corruption, election cheating, abuses by armed groups? I guess these will be solved by killing RH?

  • Oscar Diaz

    For senator, vote for #1 ATTY. SAMSON ALCANTARA!

    Don’t buy CBCP’s anti-RH rhetoric… The issue must be competence, integrity and sincerity! Hindi porke anti-RH ang kandidato, pro-life na sila, dahil maraming anti-RH na wala namang gagawin kundi magbabad lang sa kapangyarihan… Mas maraming tao ang namamatay dahil sa incompetence at corruption ng mga lider ng bayan…

  • InChristAlone_75

    Catholic brothers while I can quite understand your disdain over the Church’s meddling with the affairs of the state and neglect of their true duties, I can’t quite grasp why you remain to be a part of this church. Turn this disdain into something positive like to propel you to reflect on your faith and the understanding of your faith and seek the true Words of God. Jesus says to ‘love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind,’ we shouldn’t be selecting certain areas in our life that we want God to get involved in, isn’t He the creator of all things? “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

    By being a part of this Church in spite of knowing its blatant wrong doings, what does this say of you?

    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-5

    • brunogiordano

      “Judge not, that you be not judged.”

      pag ipinasunod ng mga kristiano iyan, mawawalan ng trabaho ang mga JUDGES.

      • penoy2012

        Judge not, because you are not a book…..by Melanie Marquez.

      • marionics

        puede rin because you are not a pig…by ate guy

        he he

    • tarikan

      Brother, with due respect, I think God and His son Jesus (PBUH) also practiced dynastic politics although during that time nobody knows anything about “dynasty”. See, before Jesus was born it was God the Father who was on the throne. And when Jesus reached the right age He appointed Him (Jesus) to occupy His (God’s) vacated throne. Jesus always spoke of God the Father’s blessing in all His undertakings. Well, the Filipino modern-day politicians are the same. Sometimes they invoke God in their candidacy. Some even up the ante, they talk to God directly in the wee hours haggling to get His blessings.

    • mamer2

      What is “FAITH”…?

    • Jane Tan

      Wait… are you telling Catholics who don’t like what is happening with the Church to quit being Catholics?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i did that. first it was the lies about child rapes, then when i moved here and seen the priests writing lies in the paper about birth control. i decided to leave because i could not understand how people who speak for god can lie especially the vatican lying and protecting baby rapers..

      • marionics

        i think jane is saying instead of leaving you should try to fight to make the curch right he he

      • Jane Tan

        No lol… I was being sarcastic! Darn you!

        Think about it. The Church is forcing its ideals on its flock, but not everyone agrees or likes it (i.e. priests preaching about divorce, contraceptives and politics during mass). This guy is telling Catholics who don’t like it to quit being Catholics.

        How can they expect to bring the people back to God when anyone who uses their brain is cast out? Its like the Church back in the time of Da Vinci.

      • marionics

        i don’t think we differ in our opinions. as tia dalma said in “dead man’s chest” – “same story different versions and all are true”

      • Jane Tan

        I’m sure we don’t lol

      • Crazy_horse101010

        now quit bickering you two. lol

      • InChristAlone_75

        Get out from this false church and put your trust, hope and faith in the Lord Jesus, He will never disappoint you.

        “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame” Romans 10:11

      • Jane Tan

        Sorry, you may have misunderstood me.

        Its not Jesus that disappoints me, its His ‘supposed’ followers and those who use His name.

    • jcsantos

      People stay in a group for its PRINCIPLES while its leadership and management are SECONDARY. Catholics (I meant those not absolutely obeying priests) choose to stay because their belief on how life should be lived coincides with Jesus’ own teachings, which are very respectful and acceptable to most people regardless of their religion, but are often violated by the religion’s leaders today (and throughout most of its history for that matter). The violation of authorities on Jesus’ principles CANNOT invalidate the principles themselves.

      • InChristAlone_75

        I very much agree with your last sentence but here’s the problem: Most of the RCC principles/teachings ARE NOT of Jesus, in fact most of its teachings are contrary to what Jesus really taught. RCC’s principles are mostly man made not Jesus’.

        If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand and if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
        – Mark 3:25-26

      • jcsantos

        Which is why the #1 question that will validate ALL of a catholic’s actions remains: “What would Jesus do?” It would be the safest way to guide any catholic of the right actions, and of the several times I compared Jesus’ actions with RCC and some of its actions and “teachings”, there were always several occurrences of contradictions.

        I believe the true catholic church died soon after St. Peter was fed to the lions, given that the remaining catholics clung on only to what was taught to them previously and were left without a leader. Catholicism was ONLY revived by Rome, who were looking for a means to “convert” (aka influence/colonize) other people and countries to their side; further proof of this is that even when Constantine actively promoted his “new religion”, he himself NEVER joined it. Obviously, subsequent successors such as future popes and priests could only be taught some basics of the religion (and some new “interpretations” of those basics), but ultimately, it is the “colonizing” or “lordship” mentality, either demand complete obedience from followers, that carried on to this day, since that mentality is in no way created by either Jesus or St. Peter.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    “God knows we just do our part.” LMAO

    Now you’re claiming that “God” acknowledges your good taste in choosing this country’s leaders?

    Good luck to you, dogma and tradition fanatics

  • tarikan

    The 6,000 who attended the Diocese of Bacolod rally against the RH Law was half of the original number. The other 6,000 were scared away by God (?). See, it is only God who could command the ways of nature and during the rally He let go of the deluge.

  • honest man

    The very reason why I am shying away from going to church. I might hear mass again after election. I hate to see people campaigning against some candidate on the basis of the RH Law.

    • mamer2

      And, what, pray tell, has going to Church on Sundays, got to do with the RH-Law.?

      • Jane Tan

        When the priests, instead of preaching the Word of God, start delving into politics and the affairs of the government.

      • mamer2

        @Crazy_horse & @ Jane T :
        Isn’t “divorce, birth-control, abortion, family-planning” covered by the “Word of God”…?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        NO AND I DONT CARE IF IT IS I COME FROM A BIRTH CONTROL COUNTRY AND KNOW IT IS A SCAM. . abortion im not pushing but divorce and birth control i am.since i divorced my first wife. she left me with 3 kids to another country. my chooses if i was a catholic stay single for 60 years or live in adultry which is a worse sin.. and i would raise my children by myself. . it is stupid to be married to someone when there is no love.. so preach to someone who cares and where is family planning in the bible and how come after 500 years there has been none here. period. . also i wouldnt have the wife i have now, anyway i will let god judge not you.

      • mamer2

        At the start…., get this clear….: NEVER have I ever judged you.
        What you have just stated are your own personal views/beliefs.
        Since these are your personal views…, we have no basis to discuss/debate/argue.
        However your mentioning “if I was a catholic” and the “bible” and on the next breath attack catholics without any comprehensive understanding of the Catholic Church…, makes me conclude, that you are BIASED when the Catholic Church is concerned.

      • Jane Tan

        You may not be judging him but the Catholic Church (and probably you as well) have been judging candidates in the upcoming elections. Team Patay? If that isn’t judgement, I don’t know what is.

      • mamer2

        Who doesn’t make a “pre-judgement” to make their selection.?

        I don’t know about you…, but I can not make my selection without first “pre-judging” these candidates in whatever manner I see fit.

      • Jane Tan

        Telling people who to vote for isn’t covered in the Bible. I’m also pretty sure that the Homily shouldn’t be about discussing the negative side of voting for candidates that are pro-RH, but should be about the readings or the liturgy of the day.

      • mamer2

        I too do not agree that anyone, or any organization should tell or force me how I should cast my vote.
        The homily or sermon is not only limited to the liturgy for the day. Current issues could and are being brought up.
        Regret to say that sometimes…, the personal views and less of the official views…, are being brought forward.
        No FAULT of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.!

      • Jane Tan

        That’s a stupid line of reasoning. This issue is already public knowledge yet the CBCP has done nothing to curb this. Doing nothing means they condone this act, and that mistake will go up until it reaches the Pope, who should be doing something about this, which is why he delegated people who aren’t doing anything about it.

      • mamer2

        What is “a stupid line of reasoning” that you accuse me of..?
        What is public knowledge yet the CBCP has done nothing to correct it.
        What act that you find despicable that you stress “condonation” as if the bishops has allowed “murder and mayhem” in our midst.

        WHAT has to be brought to the Pope.? What “earth-shattering crime” has been committed that it has to be brought to his holiness.?

        You people speak/comment in ambiguity and pepper your replies with snide insults.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        my wife quit going to church here because the priest every sunday ranted and raved about divorce and birth control. and she wasnt the only one..they got sick of it

  • joshmale2004

    We are a democratic country and every one has the right to express himself. The Catholic priests are just exercising this right. But whether, their cause will have an effect as to their candidates making the magic 12 remains to be seen..

    • kumilos_tayo

      Yes your right pero wag nilang gamitin ang pagkaPARI nila at SIMBAHAN at pera ng SIMBAHAN.. at kung moralidad ang pinag uusapan eh bakit sila mag endorse ng corrupt na tao…

      • joshmale2004

        We have to face it. They will have to use everything at their disposal to advance also their religion or personal interests even if it dwell on something not moral as per human standard. But that’s their position and money to use and we can’t put them to jail for that. As long as their flocks continue to give them alms and do not care how these priests use the money, then their flocks are actually part of the coercion.
        For catholic members, your decision to vote according to your personal judgment will be up to you. And if you follow what the priests are promoting and these corrupt people get elected, then you deserve the disservice they will do and don’t fault others when this happens after.

      • kumilos_tayo

        So wag na sila mag PARI kung gagamitin nila ang SIMBAHAN.

      • joshmale2004

        YES. I hate to say this. The lure of money and power is not only limited to politics. It also exists in all kinds of religion including the Catholic religion. This explains why many now want to become priests as it has become a lucrative career like politics.

      • mamer2

        In like manner…, Many also wants to be pastors, evangelists, and what have you.
        Likewise…, many pastors and pseudo church leaders have become much much richer than any priest or bishops I know.

  • regd

    I still wonder why the rest of us sane and reasonable people did not join them pied piper righteous clergys?

    • Crazy_horse101010

      some people arent water buffaloes that need to lead around by the nose.

  • Almighty

    “The priests are just exercising their freedom of expression” = B.S.

    The Philippine Constitution: “The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. Article II, Section 6, and, No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    Yes, you are free to exercise orjoin whatever religion you wish to exercise and you’re free to worship who or whatever god you may wish to worship, but please keep your dogmas inside your worship areas!!!

    Exercising freedom of speech? It’s more like spiritual hostage-taking: “We represent your God, if you don’t follow his will (relayed through us), you will burn eternally in hell.”

    By the way, if god really speaks through these “HOLY” men in white robes…… bakit hindi unanimous ang results ng voting for Popes? Power struggle between the father, the son, and the holy ghost?

    LMAO . GOGOGO Fanatics!!!

    Express your taxes!!!

  • AllinLawisFair

    Religion should not interfere in the business of governance as it can only divide a nation more even as it leaders try hard to unite. The great majority of the Filipinos may be Catholics but this not translate into a powerful solid block as we do not have religious fanaticism in this country except for the Iglesia ni Kristo whose followers blindly obey the dictates of its supreme leader. Our consolation is that this sect does not have many believers otherwise its leader can easily become an ayatollah.

    The point is, Catholic Church leaders should not behave as if their voices are heard an obeyed by its flock. Have they not realized that they have been steadily losing believers as a result of the scandals and anomalies bishops and priests have been charged with?

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    * * * * * *
    It is the true Christians’ votes that will send UNA to Hell, courtesy of the bishops.
    Thanks be to God.

  • Hurtlocker1

    im pukingly sick of these so called holier-than-thou DAMASO.

    YOU blindly lead people to HADES, the temporary refuge of LOST SOULS.

  • Gloria Wheelchairroyo

    Their God is GMA whom they protected against mass rallies and even compared her to Jesus.
    Velarde, CBCP and El Patay are corrupt and a fraud. They keep on endorsing immoral and criminal candidates in exchange of money and Pajeros.
    What a Shame, they endorsed UNArroyo party, Binayroyyo and PlundERAP which is an alliance of Plunderer, Criminals, Adulterer, Revolutionist, Election Cheater and Crony of Corrupt officials.
    Birds of the same feather really flocks together or better to say go to Hell together.

    • 33Sambuang2

      correct. mga hudas na obispo. mga kaparian halos pedophile at manyak lahat. papunta punta pa sa bar, lakas uminom ng mga hinayupak na yan.

  • joshmale2004

    For catholic members, your decision to vote according to your personal judgment will be up to you. And if you follow what the priests are promoting and these corrupt people get elected, then you deserve the disservice they will do and don’t fault others when this happens after

  • 33Sambuang2

    tado kang obispo ka. ayusin mo muna kung pano pakainin ng mga pari mo ang mga anak nila. tado ka talaga.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      tado ka rin…as if lahat ng pari meron anak…tanga!!bo bo…

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ Agent of the free

        Techinically, ang tinatawag na father dapat ay lalaking may anak.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        isa rin tanga to…kitid ng utak…hindi alam ang metaphor and the difference between spiritual father and biological father…

  • joshmale2004

    YES. I hate to say this. The lure of money and power is not only limited to politics. It also exists in all kinds of religion including the Catholic religion. This explains why many now want to become priests as it has become a lucrative career like politics…

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    the pedophile institution has enough reason to be alarmed. their income, prestige and influence are at stake. expect them to fight it out tooth and nail.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      pedophile…wow…kitid ng utak…

      • Crazy_horse101010

        ok child rapers then

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        ganun ba???lahat ba???cguro tinutukoy mo 1 percent lang sa kanila…

        hasty generalization…

        boy abunda ikaw ba yan?

  • ztefertilizerscam10

    GlorIa bribed to Mitsubishop and Safari

    Butuan City Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos, who received a Mitsubishi Montero, Bontoc-Lagawe Bishop Rodolfo Beltran (Nissan Pathfinder), Abra Bishop Leopoldo Jaucian (Mitsubishi Strada), Cotabato Archbishop Orlando Quevedo (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace), Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad (Mitsubishi Strada), Zamboanga Archbishop Romulo Valles (Toyota Grandia Hi-Ace); and Nueva Segovia Archbishop Ernesto Salgado (Isuzu Crosswind).

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory

    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.

    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States:

    “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how

    National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it

    to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse Crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    re hash rehash…wala na bang bago zte?

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ Agent of the free

      up date update…hindi na nagbago si Vatican……… for 2000 years.

  • IronFistAtheos

    lecheng mga damaso yan. Mga wala na ngang silbi sa lipunan hinahadlangan pa mabilis na pag asenso ng bansa. boo! Religion slows down human progress!! Matutong mag isip para sa sarili hindi yung sunod lang ng sunod sa opinyon ng nakararami. “Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told regardless of what is right.”

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ Agent of the free

    Bigyan nyo naman ng konting delikadesa mga diyos nyo. Masyado ng halatang ginagamit nyo lang ang katangahan ng mga natitirang naniniwala pa sa inyo.

    “So let the sideshow begin
    Hurry, hurry, step right on in
    Can’t afford to pass it by
    Guaranteed to make you cry

    Let the sideshow begin (Hurry, hurry)
    Hurry, hurry, step right on in
    Can’t afford to pass it by
    Guaranteed to make you cry”

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ Agent of the free

    Prolife or Probirth?

    We should strive for QUALITY LIFE.

    Speaking of “QUALITY” life, bakit yung mga “CATHOLIC” schools pa ang isa sa mga nangunguna sa mahal maningil na tuitions?

    Dapat I-endorse din nila ang mga PRO-THINK candidates or TEAM-ISIP. :D

    “Life is very short, and there’s no time,
    For fussing and fighting, my friend,
    I have always thought that it’s a crime,
    So I will ask you once again.

    Try to see it my way,
    Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong,
    While you see your way,
    There’s a chance that we may fall apart before too long.”

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso What, Me worry?

    Concept sticker:
    “GOD KNOWS JUDAS NOT VOTE STRAIGHT: TEAM BUHAY ”

    Ayan CBCP, dalhin nyo na sa marketing department nyo for printing. Pagkakawartahan din yan.

  • jeff

    Nakakainis na talaga. Sana election na para magkaalaman na kung may patama ba talaga itong white lies at deception movement ng el shaddie at damasos.

  • UrHONOR

    KUNG tayo-tayo lang dito sa DISQUS ang masusunod, ang lahat ng dapat na malagay o malukluk sa pwesto ay mangyayari. Pero, iilan lang ang mga sumasali sa usapan dito….kadalasan yon-na-din-lang-yon ang natutunghayan natiing mga posters. Samakatuwid, kung dadaanin sa bilang, at yan ang mahalaga sa botohan- ang bilang, bale-wala ang ma-aabot ng mga pagpapahayag ng mga nagpapaskel dito.

    Sa aking pananaw, kailangang palawakin natin ang ating kaisipang at ang nais na mangyari sa pamamagitan ng paglabas at pagangampanya sa mga kabayan at ipamahagi ang ating nalalaman tungkol sa mga TNL na mga kandidato….KUNG gusto natin ng makabuluhang pagbabago sa ating senado . Otherwise, magiging business as usual na naman ang kalalabasan ng election at ang talaktakan dito ay mauuwi sa empty barrels full of sound and fury, signifying NOT A THING.

  • http://www.facebook.com/killadajoker Denis Chanco

    THE MARCH OF THE IDIOTS—

  • innie meanie

    Hala sige kayo mga Katoliko at anti RH bill kung makikipagsex kayo (which is almost all of you) wag na wag talaga kayong mag condom or mag birth control pills habang buhay ha para magkaanak kayo kahit hindi nyo kayang bumuhay ng tao! Kayong mga kabataan at nagaaral pa magpakadrop out kayo para buhayin ang inyong anak. Magpakasakit kayo ng sexually transmitted diseases para madali kayong mamatay at mapass on ang STD sa mga anak nyo at silay mamatay din ng maaga! Hala cge damihan nyo mga taong may sakit! Magpakahirap kayo sa buhay nyo! Yan gusto nyo eh.. In the mean time, ang mga sinusunod nyong pari walang paki sa mangyayari sa inyo kasi they get their followers through birth with Catholic beliefs passed on to generation to generation. The more babies, the more Catholics, the more money the rich and corrupt Catholic church will have! They don’t care about the economy, overpopulation and more poverty. All they care about is more money and power! Tingnan nyo kung anong mga countries na ngayon ang maraming Katoliko..mga countries na overpopulated and poverty stricken. Kasi ang mga tao hindi edukado so they’re an easy target. As a Christian, I believe sex should only be for marriage at sa kaya na magbuhay ng bata..pero we have to face reality na most people don’t follow that rule. Makikipagsex talaga ang mga tao! and contraceptives and sex education promote responsibility and good health sa mga taong iyan! Oo makasasala sila but only God shall punish them..as if talaga walang kasalanan ang Katoliko! Why let people suffer if there is a solution especially that the solution is for the betterment of the whole country?!

  • Steven Zahl

    TALIBAN DAMASO

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