Santiago: Bets who betrayed Iglesia Ni Cristo will pay

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Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

MANILA, Philippines – Senator  Miriam  Defensor-Santiago on Thursday warned re-electionist senators, who have allegedly “double-crossed” the influential  Iglesia Ni Cristo “during a recent political controversy.”

Santiago said the campaign survey results  might “undergo  radical changes”   when the INC releases the names of candidates  it would  support in the upcoming elections. The religious group , she noted, reportedly now has nine million voters.

“I understand that the official INC list of approved candidates will be released soon. I further understand that INC, out of patriotism, took a strong position during a recent political controversy,” she said in a statement.

“Certain re-electionist senators reportedly promised to support the INC position, but out of opportunism, reneged on their promise when the hour came.”

“Therefore, I issue this strong note of caution: The campaign survey results might undergo radical changes, after the INC releases its official list. In other words, you don’t double-cross the INC and get away with it,”  the senator added.

But Santiago declined to divulge further details on this alleged incident, saying “it might violate the privacy of the INC.”

The senator also predicted  a change of leadership in the Senate now being  headed by its president, Senator Juan Ponce-Enrile.

The next Senate President, she said, would come from the administration coalition which will be composed of  16 senators.

“With 16 senators more or less in the Senate, it is a no-brainer that the administration will get to pick the next Senate President from the most senior members of the coalition,” she said.

“Depending on the effect of the solid INC vote,”  Santiago said  the administration coalition would be composed of Juan Edgardo “Sonny” Angara, Paolo Benigno Aquino, Alan Peter Cayetano, Pia Cayetano, Franklin Drilon, Francis Escudero, Teofisto Guingona III, Loren Legarda, Ferdinand Marcos, Jr., Sergio Osmeña III, Aquilino Pimentel III, Grace Poe, Ralph Recto, Vicente Sotto III, Antonio Trillanes IV, and Cynthia Villar.

The incumbent  Senate leader, she said, would  be part of the opposition bloc along with Senators Jose “Jinggoy” Estrada, Nancy Binay, JV Ejercito and Gregorio Honasan or Jack Ponce Enrile.

Santiago  counted herself  as part of a bloc of independent senators alogn with Senators Ramon “Bong” Revilla Jr.  and Lito Lapid.

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  • Keith_P

    Tax all religious groups! Para may pakinabang naman sa mga yan na mahihilig umepal sa pulitika.

    • http://www.facebook.com/alfa.saclao Alfa Saclao

      yung nakikisawsaw lang ha

    • nes911

      High five ako dyan. Mahilig din naman silang makialam at mamulitika.

    • Noel

      Malabong mangyari iyan. Panahon pa ng Kastila ganoon na. Pati sa Amerika wala din tax ang mga simbahan. HIndi sa kinakampihan ko ang INC pero ang pagkakaisa nila sa pagboto ay ayon na rin sa kanllang doktrina. Pero ang ibang mga grupo tulad ng El Shaddai ang halatang namumulitika. Ano ba ang sa tingin niyo na maaga pa lang sinasabi na kung sino ang mga kandidatong gusto nila. Aakyat sa entablado at itataas ang mga kamay nila. Kung nakikialam man ang INC, kahit paano ay tahimik at hindi binabandera.

      • anu12345

        Tahimik ang INC. Right.

      • Noel

        Tahimik pero mapanganib. Hindi sila lantaran kung pumapel. Sa likod ang maniubra. Kaya kadalasan effective sila di tulad ng Simbahan Katolika dakdak ng dakdak wala naman ibubuga.

      • maysayako

        tahimik pa ang kulto ni manalo kasi pinapakiramdaman pa nila kung sino ang matataas sa survey tapos yun ang i-eendorse nila para sabihing kaya nanalo ay dahil sa kanila! LOL!

      • Questcore Inc. Cristobal

        forgot na yata ng mga INC na they are Filipino and they forgot their 1986 constitution which under Bill of Rights (the right and freedom to vote)

    • EVILCOUPLE

      Yung INC ang nag tatax sa miyembro nila, meron silang attendance sheet kung sino ang absent. Totoo ba ito ?

  • patriotic_act

    The INC Vote made a huge difference that paved the way for GMA to win an extended term way back the 2004 elections because they supported her.

    And 2010 too when they supported PNoy, had they supported Erap again the latter would win another landslide.. (altho Erap still got 90% of the vote he got from 1998 even without the INC vote)

    So if we are going to assess it the INC block vote indeed can make a difference, much more from the Catholic “white vote” which was not as solid as the INC block votes..

    • rinom

      you are wrong,,, mar roxas did not win over binay, why??? because ,maybe the people, the protestant in particular try to vote for binay to counter the INC vote.

      • patriotic_act

        I said “can make a huge difference” I did not say “who ever they vote will win”.. so please dont make it an issue of “right” or “wrong” and stay opinionated.

      • Gem Ryan Bencito

        Do you really mean “HUGE”? Oh. May laman pa ba mga kapilya nila? I think so. :)

      • patriotic_act

        I have a lot of INC friends, and I can say so and have seen first hand on how they take their bloc voting seriously..

        in the case of the Catholic Church im a non-practicing catholic and I never supported their white vote.

      • rinom

        the 9 million votes (if there is any) can easily counter by the protestant vote combined, i knew it because, when the protestant knew the INC is for MAR some protestant go for BINAY.

      • patriotic_act

        again like I said.. it “can make a huge difference” but not a “guaranteed win”.. so it doesnt matter, if the politicians give due credit to the INC bloc vote then its their prerogative to do so.. politicians will be politicians and will use anything to their advantage..

  • Fulpol

    Madam Meriam ala Madam Auring, made a wrong analysis..

    INC will based their decision on the latest SWS or Pulse Asia surveys..

    candidates belong to 9-15 must do their best to woo the INC leader…

    how to woo the INC? i have no idea…

    LOL

    • tarikan

      Fulps, INC will base…not will based. Ikaw naman. I look you up, my idol. Please don’t disappoint me…I am panic hehehe.

  • Fulpol

    INC were never betrayed….

    INC were never so vocal on meddling with gov’t policies…

    • Jr Derha

      ohh,, reaally?

  • padrefaura

    Yes, they will pay….. Pay the INC leaders big money for the inc support

    • Gem Ryan Bencito

      You don’t say. XD

    • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

      saan ang proof mo?

      • noyab

        DI NA KAILANGAN ANG PROOF, OBVIOUS NAMAN NA I DI NEKLARA NIYA NG PROPETA DAW SIYA DIBA….SO ANO PROOF PA ANG HINAHANAP MO…PUNTA KA DILIMAN NANDOON ANG PROFIT…….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ericson-Gallito/100000103522443 Ericson Gallito

        proof pls.

      • ayupayupan77

        proof………..mag survey ka sa mga kamaganakan mo at mga kapatid natin sa kalokohang pananampalataya na ito……….mairap buhay nila habang mga manalos……bilyonaryo……….check mo registration natin…………..nakalagay ang incm as SOLE INCORPORADA………….. at bakit parang north korea tayo……..matapos ang lolo….anak naman humawak ( sumalangit nawa sila)……….ngayon apo naman……….tsk tsk

      • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

        Ang BULAG hindi nakikita ang nasaharapan niyang maliwanag.

      • ayupayupan77

        during the 1986 election……….INCM supported marcos despite the overwhelming evidences and outcry that we should end his dictatorship…………katwiran ng puno nila…….kaya daw si marcos parin pinaboto kasi bawal daw na ang puno ng isang kawan ay babae inshort bawal daw pangunahan ng babae ang lalaki kaya nga walang babaeng ministro……………….panahon ni Gloria si gloria ang pina boto ………..bakit kaya………di ba babae sya at dapat di pangunahan ng babae ang lalaki ……….bakit siya pinaboto sa mga ututong miyembro na tulad ko

      • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

        Another low life ADD fanatics lol

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Its show Philippines religion/politics ad nauseam !

  • lapasan

    I think it is now high time that our lawmakers pass a law prohibiting religious groups to endorse candidates during election because this is partisan politics. They should be treated like government employees who can only vote during election. Religious organizations should be more concerned on the spiritual enhancement of their flocks rather than on politics. If the religious groups are adamant on engaging in partisan politics then they should be tax like other private organizations. Meddling in the electoral affairs of the country by this religious groups is not good for the Filipinos since they could pressure our legislative, executive and judiciary branches of our government to pass laws or policies that will be beneficial to a certain religious group.

    • rinom

      no need, because they will be judge more severely in the day of judgement. the bible is telling us,,, not everyone should pursue teachers of righteousness because they will be judge more severely in the day of judgement. why???because they are using the word of God for their own business as usual.

    • BOYPDAF

      We have RH bill already ,it was passed into law regardless of religious group disagreement.also if you imposed ur suggested suggestion these will violate their religious freedom,thats the sad thing about this country i know what u mean and what u want

      • alden

        RH BILL AY TRO PA RIN….

      • tarikan

        Everybody including religious groups have equal rights under the constitution…freedom of this and freedom of that. It’s just sad that others practice their pangluluko in the guise of practicing freedom.

    • Noel

      I agree. But as citizens they should vote but according to INC, members are united even when it comes to voting. Give to Caesar’s what is Caesar and give to God what is to God’s. As citizens, INC members register. As members, they vote as one. INC based on God’s command that became her doctrine that His people should be one in faith, one in baptism, one in mind, one in judgment. Since voting is an expression of judgment, members vote as one. The truth of the matter is other religious groups especially the Catholic Church admire and try to emulate INC’s unity in vain.

  • Wakats

    Mirriam’s bold prediction of 9 LP and 3 UNA candidates will make it to the senate, is somewhat indicative of the INC’s choice.

    The children of UNA’s 3 kings may make it while the LP’s jun magsaysay, madrigal and hontiveros should double their efforts till election time….

    • 12JEM

      Vote Jun Magsaysay…a very good and learned GUY.

  • Rey

    (1) ‘Blockmail?’ (2) Miriam is trying to influence/mold/condition voters’ minds through subliminal messages.

  • Ibulgarmo Bayan

    During the Corona trial in the senate, the INC was being involved in the controversy after member of the prosecutors panel made baseless accusation against INC that it defended CJ Corona. Perhaps, that would be included in the criteria in selecting candidates for senators that the INC has to be endorsed.

    • rinom

      for sale nga,,, in the last days of marcos they was there, in the last days of erap they was there, in the last days of corona they was there,,, why???? because there, they are for sale. try to ask them why they are there and they cant give you a clear answer.

      • Richard Nessia

        for sale ka lagi dyan. bakit di ka na lg magtinda ng kamote…

      • TON_SING_WAH

        lol iwas pusoy hehehehe

      • rinom

        ako nagtitinda talaga ng kamote, para sa ikabubuhay ng pamilya ko.
        eh kayo, bakit naandoon kayo sa impeachment ni boy boga corona?

      • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

        Tatang, ” they WERE there….” po.

    • jeepneydr

      So Miriam already made up her mind on Corona’s case before the trial is over not to upset her INC backer.

  • John Armamento

    well, INC pays taxes, from real property taxes, to taxes from operations of its schools, hospital, and its consturction department (by way of purchasing materials – automatic with VAT)..
    so, it does have a say on block voting…

  • justyouraveragechinoy

    wow it’s like she’s saying whoever INC supports wins…

    but for those who have been watching keenly, INC supports those that top the surveys. Hence, it’s not because of INC. this is very stupid of Miriam!

    • rinom

      very true,,, also they will issue their support in the last day. that is one proof their support is for sale, why not issue their support in the first day of the campaign period?

      • don alto

        Ay, nabuking na pala ang ‘modus operandi’ nila …. LOL!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ericson-Gallito/100000103522443 Ericson Gallito

        so kapag sa last day nag decide eh bayad na? hmm illogical. ikaw ba kilala mo na iboboto mo nung first day of campaigning? im sure hindi pa. im pretty sure ung mga iboboto mo e ung mga kilalang tao rin na mga nasa top 10 – 20 ng survey. ikaw decided kanaba? diba may iba nga na nasa polling places na nagdedecide kung sino boboto nila so to bang mga to eh bayad din?

    • light bringer

      It’s not stupid. You’re countering on her statements as if you are a politician, yourself. So it makes me wonder — are you? She does know what’s happening when the INC intervenes because it does happen. When the INC makes a list, it goes as a block. And if it goes as a block, then there is a huge possibility that the candidate will win. I know this because I personally know people in politics (from the barangay level and other higher level positions). And whenever this group says they’re not voting for you, expect a 60% possibility of being on the losing side. It did happen a number of times already.

      • Gem Ryan Bencito

        Fulpol : INC will based their decision on the latest SWS or Pulse Asia surveys.

        Undoubtedly TRUE. :D

      • Phil dc

        its democratic then…

      • beatmanny

        eh di nanalo nga si GMA noong 2004.. haha!

      • light bringer

        Nagaannounce din sila ng kung sino susuportahan sa barangay level. So gumagastos din ang mga barangay officials at councilors sa survey na to para lang mapag desisyunan ng INC? katangahan naman nyang analysis mo

    • beatmanny

      then why the hell these politicians are nagkukumahog makuha ang suporta ng INC?
      parang ikaw ang very stupid…

      • justyouraveragechinoy

        Dami zombie sa pilipinas dami d marunong magisip parang ikaw lang kaya d umuunlad. You’re one of the reasons why we are still where we are. Brainless!

      • beatmanny

        ang galing ng sagot mo napaka insightful.. isa ka bang yellow zombie?

  • rinom

    their vote is for sale,,, the bible is telling us,,, in the later days, the word of God will be used for personal gain and interest. you cant find any verse in the bible Jesus is encouraging or supporting or advocating bloc voting. but some religious group can twist the word of God for their own personal desire.

    • jat2x

      their vote is for sale,,
      what’s your proof?

      • rinom

        you ask me my proof? my proof is the word of God. that in the later days, the word of God will be used for personal gain. personal gain is the payment.

      • jat2x

        That;s your proof? Using the Bible just to falsely accuse someone? Show physical or documented proof! Kahit sino pwedeng gamitin ang Bible makabatikos lang.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Open secret aren’t coming from no where, when there is smoke, there is fire !

      • jat2x

        No proof,no evidence. Just mere accusations driven by hatred, fueled by envy.

      • rinom

        by analogy,,, the bloc vote is for sale, or the bloc vote is for the exchange of personal favor,,, ill repeat, by analogy. not by envy. the bible is telling us, do not envy their wicked ways.

      • Ben Tumbling

        INC’s bloc vote is for sale? Since when did INC ever asked for money from politicians? We even prohibit our members from doing that. What the INC is doing is uniting as one, because we are of one body and mind.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ericson-Gallito/100000103522443 Ericson Gallito

        rinom alam mo kawawa ka. isa ka sa mga taong walang ginawa kundi maghanap ng article about INC then mag comment ng mag comment ng walang basehan…. maghanap din ng makabuluhang gagawin sa buhay mo pag may time. Ginamit mo pa biblia sa mga kasinungalingan mo..

      • jeepneydr

        So who’s the INC leader would justify the qualification of the politician they endorse.

      • tarikan

        “Just mere” …redundancy my friend.

      • rinom

        i believe the bible is true, that in the later days some will use the word of God for their own personal gain,,, and the INC is the only church who practice bloc voting (accordingly), so bloc voting is equal to or equivalent to ,,, the vote is for sale.

      • TON_SING_WAH

        yeah what is your..proof..did you mean these politician used marcos strategy b4..why not just say it’s a foundation funds :)) or donation..ngek proof daw o

      • beatmanny

        sira ata tuktok mo

      • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

        COMMON SENSE is the simple answer. If you received something for what ever purpose but of value, naturally in return….what?

      • zoji

        basta ang alam ko eto ang pinakamasayang araw ng eglisia ni cristo na yan eleksyon!!!kasi bubuhos na naman ang sangkatribang pera para sa boto nila.Ang galing talaga ng negosyo ng simbahan na yan….

    • brunogiordano

      “…some religious group can twist the word of God for their own personal desire.”
      anong klase GOD ang pinaniniwalaan mo kung hinahayaan niyang mangyari ito? FAKE o isa sa mga LIKHANG god ng TAO???

      • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

        God gave us freedom of choice. It is up to us to decide.

    • TON_SING_WAH

      money laundering

    • Kim Adolfo

      u dont say? hahaha

    • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

      If there is no smoke definitely there is no fire.

  • MANGLUCIO

    It’s so ironic and disgusting for a country that one religious group like the INC must be courted for votes to get elected. INC will endorse candidates to their flocks even if those candidates are rotten eggs with no vision at all in bringing progress to the country and uplifting the livelihoods of the poor…Really sad when the phil is beginning to roar again economically.
    To All INC members: Pls vote in accordance with your conscience and for the good of the country not only for the good of your church only. Jesus Christ is watching YOU!

    • Gem Ryan Bencito

      “Conscience”? Do that exist in their church? Oh.

      • BOYPDAF

        but donation exists!lol

      • mongrel84

        Of course 20% force donation :)

    • Kim Adolfo

      pwe? conscience dw po?

    • noyab

      YES NOT ON THE WISHES OF YOUR LEADERS WHO HAVE NO VISION FOR THE COUNTRY BUT RELY MORE ON THE ABULOY NG MEMBERS TO EARN A LIVING

    • tarikan

      Or one can also say ” Manalo is watching you from h.e.l.l.”

      • Nom De Guerre

        One can say that… that is, one who has virtually no comprehension of the concept of thinking before speaking, you know? Asinine troglodytes like you.

  • brunogiordano

    “Santiago: Bets who betrayed Iglesia Ni Cristo will pay”

    GREAT!!!!!!

    At super great kung hindi nila iboboto ang –

    UNQUALIFIED

    ANAK ng MANDARAMBONG

    MAKA-DAMASO

    pag ang mga ito ay natalo, tama si mirriam.

  • $5699914

    Ano kaya ang ipinangako ni Santiago sa INC at tinupad na niya?
    Hmmm….sounds fishy.

  • kotawinters

    Sayang ka, Miriam! Tsk! Tsk! We thought you were not that dumb!

    • Nom De Guerre

      And we thought you already got over your insecurities by now!

      • TJL

        Actually, the INC is acting “insecure” by not trusting its members to vote without supervision.
        Why doesn’t the INC trust its members to do what they want them to do at the polls?
        On the surface it does appear very suspicious.
        Other religions teach a doctrine of unity, but they allow their members to vote freely. Can you imagine a Bloc vote from the Catholic Church? INC would never have a say in anything if they didn’t agree.
        Sure, they are all instructed to vote a certain way, according to their religious values, but its up to the individual to obey or disobey. Between them and God. Not between minister and man, because the Church doesn’t vote for them. Why? Because God designed us with a free will. If God wanted people to be forced to obey, He would have forced us not to ever sin. Instead, He gave us the option, to obey Him or disobey Him. Why is the INC trying to do what God Himself won’t do?
        The INC should have more faith in God and believe that God will guide its members to do what’s right… Otherwise they really do appear insecure.

      • Nom De Guerre

        Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, dear.

  • lolo_Jose

    TUTAL nakikialam sila sa politika at gobyerno dapat pagbayarin sila ng tax!!! Kalalaki ng mga kapilya ng mga INC ibig sabihin meron malaking pera na pumapasok sa kaban ng INC..TAX THEM NOW!!!!

    • beatmanny

      sige umpisahan mo.. ewan ko lang kung suportahan pa ng mga religious groups (not only INC) ang maghahain ng ganyang klaseng batas..

    • tarikan

      It is unconstitutional, my friend. There are certain undertakings of these religious groups that are not purely religious in nature that are taxable though. Such as operating a religious school for profit.

      • ayupayupan77

        it may be unconstitutional but i think it is morally upright tko tax them………..a public school teacher earns only 15000 a month and yet despite the fact she is working in behalf of our country’s interest she is being taxed………..a minister gets 40000 a month from whatever money making schemes they have in their church………..but he is not being tax,,…………worst is that the teacher iam using as an example is a member of their church and from the 15000 which is taxable……..another more or less ten percent will go to different offerings like tanging handugan which is nowhere in the bible

      • tarikan

        Well, in short…Fcuk them INC.

  • kotawinters

    Dumadami pong tarantado ngayon! Tumatanda ng paurong. Before we completely lose faith in Miriam, she should reset to sanity. She appears beginning to self-destruct! Can you justify your statements with what your playful thyroid is doing to you now?

    • Nom De Guerre

      …says the blind follower of a certain pseudo spiritual leader who was once denied candidacy for senator. Don’t you have more productive stuff to fill up your time other than googling news feeds on INC all day long? Or were you specifically employed for that purpose?

  • Flora Fe

    “you don’t DOUBLE -CROSS the INC and get away with it” , she had said it right. And for those voters that INC would endorse, DON’T even for a second, think of voting for them. As she said it, their loyalty is not for the Filipino voters but SOLELY to INC.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

      and the ADD fanatics where are your loyalty to Filipinos or to Eliseo Soriano?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

        ADD do believe of what is in the book and we are not fanatics as what you had posted. Bro Eli is the person who guides us, just like your church leader/s who guides you as his flock.

      • tarikan

        Yong dating daan, lubak-lubak na eh di ba maaga ang tag-ulan. Ire-repair naman daw kahit election.

      • $27317632

        Siguro kailangan na magsuri ka muna bago ka magsalita sa mga activities ng ADD (Church of God/1Cor 1:1-3) kahit na mahirap na religious group ang ADD they share all their’s to the needy. Humanap ka ng isang religious group na sa Dios ang gumaganap ng mga paglilingkod sa mga nangangailangan. ADD are members of the Church of God in the bible they were not established by man but borne to the teaching of Christ in the Bible. Adhering to the very letter the Bilble teaches, these the only religious group now a days that’s pro God, they are not half-bake as what others do, they are pure to the hilt in following God’s words.

      • cons

        ADD Adhering to the very letter the Bilble teaches— are u insane or blind? kasinungalingan..baka adhering to the very letters of every explanation of Soriano.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

        ADD is so jealous about the success of the INC as a matter of fact the recent presidential election. You or should I say them implement the bloc vote to secure a vote for Binay. I must say ADD fanatics are hypocrite they are bashing the INC bloc vote and then after sometime they do have a bloc vote.

    • noyab

      WHY NOT MATAGAL NA NILANG NA DOBLE CROSS ANG PILIPINAS…..

    • Noel

      I don’t think INC would go as far as retaliating against senators who double crossed her. If INC does it, then INC has very few to endorse because most of the senators voted for Corona’s impeachment.

      • beatmanny

        they have been known to just leave blanks on the ballot if no particular candidate are to their liking..

      • Noel

        I think there was a time when after the members registered, they did not vote.

      • beatmanny

        and how many senators who voted for corona impeachment are running anyway..

      • Noel

        Five

      • tarikan

        Dapat kumandidato si Atty. Ka Apin pagka-senador, cigurado panalo siya sa tulong ng mga kapatid at INC. Kung yong Katolikong kandidato tinutulungan yong pang kapatid.

      • ayupayupan77

        bawal sa mga Iglesia Manalo na kumandidato………kasi gusto ng mga ministro na sila lang may power at impluwensya pati nga pagbabasa ng biblia bawal kasi malalaman ng miyembro na bawal sa biblia ang pagkakampi kampi at wala sa biblia si manalo at lalong wala sa biblia na dapat magkaisa sa pagboto…………….alam ko kasi Iglesia ako ni Manalo

      • Noel

        Kung kaanib ka, di mo sasabihin na Iglesia ni Manalo ka. Ang paggalang ng mga kaanib sa mga namumumo at sumasakop sa kanila ay napakataas. Di gaya ng Papa sa Roma na pinagtatawanan at iniinsulto ng mga ibang Katoliko.

      • Saloi-CDR

        as sus, Manalo o Matalo..si Manalo mo ay mukhang pera din tulad ng mga Obispo. Period.

      • mongrel84

        Ganyan talga pag relihiyon mga leaders and yumayaman amen…..

      • Noel

        Hindi ko kaano-ano si Manalo. Anong pakialam ko sa kanya. Tinutuwid lang kita dahil nagpakilala kang INC pero di pala. But pa mag-tebats ka na lang para mabawasan ang tamod mo.

      • ayupayupan77

        at bakit di ko sasabihin……..alam mo ba brod na lahat ng turo sa atin ay wala naman talaga sa biblia…………magbasa ka brod…………hindi ang ating panginoong Jesus sinusunod natin…………kundi sina MANALO ………kaya dapat tawagin tayong iglesia ni manalo

      • Noel

        Tono mo parang dating INC ka. Nanlamig o natiwalag ka yata. Ilang beses na akong nag-attend ng bible expo. Tapos bible study iyon pala doktrina na. Magaganda naman ang mga aral. Kamuntik na nga ako nagpatuloy at umanib. May mga ilan lang na hindi ako sang-ayon. Pero kung katotohanan lang ang pag-uusapan, sa tingin ko mas malapit sa katotohanan ang INC di tulad ng Simbahang Katolika na malayong malayo.

      • tarikan

        Akala ko ba nasa bibliya ang INC. Sabi, the chosen few will come from the east. Eh yun daw ang INC sabi ni ka Felix. Basta there is only ONE GOD regardless of religion, tapos. God ko, god mo, god niya, god nila, god natin lahat. Walang away, di ba?

      • ayupayupan77

        opo nasa bible ang INC………..pero INCM wala po…….yung kasing INC sa bible bawal ang pagkakampi kampi…………bawal pumatay………bawal magpayaman ang puno………..walang abuluyan at walang pagpapanggap……………..at lalong di nakikianib sa masama…………..

      • ayupayupan77

        yung east na sinasabi po doon …………..hindi po pilipinas yun………east ng ano …………..at assuming east po gaya ng pagkakilala ng mga INCM…………..pwede po pala itong japan …..korea……..china………malaysia……..indonesia……taiwan……..cambodia………singapore…….di po ba mga east din sila

      • Noel

        Ang East ay isa lamang sa maraming hula sa biblia na pinapaniwalaan ng INC. Kung iyan lang at ilan lang ang pagbabatayan ay tiyak na hindi maiintindihan ng marami. Marami pang hula ang tumutukoy sa INC ayon sa biblia. Ako man hindi naniwala pero sinuri ko. Kung baga sa puzzle ay pagbuin mo at lalabas ang katotohanan. Pero tulad ng sinabi ko. May ilan bagay na hindi ako sang-ayon kaya hindi ako natuloy sa pag-anib.

      • Noel

        Bawal ang pumasok sa pulitika ang mga kaanib. Pero ang ipinagtataka ko ay bakit naging Congressman si Marcoleta ng Alagad Party List.

    • tarikan

      Na-aprubahan ba ni God yong listahan nila? Si Bro. Eddie (Villanueva) at Bro. Mike (Mike Velarde) nakakausap nila si God, maitanong nga. Marami nang ini-indorso si God. I am very much confused now. Baka mangyari nito mas marami ang manalo (hindi si Ka Ernie) sa bata ni Satanas ah. Will the Philippines go to the dogs or to heaven?

    • EVILCOUPLE

      kULTO naman kasi yan INC.

    • jeepneydr

      Is Santiago speaking for the INC?, warning politicians not to cross the INC.

  • Guest

    Palakpakan nyo naman si Senator Miriam baka malugi! Stop! Look! and Listen! Kung talagang 8 Milyon ang botante ng INC, sabihin nila kung anong Party List group ang susuportahan nila at tignan natin kung aabot ba ng 3 Milyon and above ang votes nun!

    • Gauden Joe Olivar Sumayod

      or nine rather** Let see Madam Auring ay este Miriam..

  • Gauden Joe Olivar Sumayod

    Palakpakan nyo naman si Senator Miriam baka malugi! Stop! Look! and
    Listen! Kung talagang 9 Milyon ang botante ng INC, sabihin nila kung
    anong Party List group ang susuportahan nila at tignan natin kung aabot
    ba ng 3 Milyon and above ang votes nun!

  • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.barrios Eugene Barrios

    9 million votes??? Haha! This is ridiculous!! Where in this world can they take that number? This Diliman Mob is totally and radically outrageous. This is the worst public deception that I have ever seen, both politically and religiously. They are fooling the public in grandest scale. It’s their leader himself who made a disclosure before his death that most of their census reports were tampered and falsified by their very own workers to enhance public image to say the least. They could even hardly get a half-million votes for their Alagad party-list in the two previous polls & now here they come marching along with a sudden surge in number of 9 million solid votes? Oh come on! This is magical! How could you ever make us believe that you people are really patriots? Better listen to this video:

    • Phil dc

      there is no connection between the party list votes and the actual voting population. read about what party list voting is all about. It is equally ridiculous that INC voting population is also less than half a million

    • noyab

      YES THEY CAN SINCE PROPHETS DAW SI MANALO OR MAGICKERO OR FINANCIAL EXPERTS….

    • tarikan

      Ano, inamen ni Ka Felix (or Ka Eranio) na niluluko laang nila ang tao sa pamamagitan ng “falsified” census reports? Malamang he is now roasting red hot in h.e.l.l.

  • yonoh

    nakakalula naman yan…………..9 million votes sigurado ko highest bidder na naman yan…………..pagnakuha mo ang boto nila may pag-asa ka ng manalo……………..eh alam na natin matagal na…kung paano mamili ang iglesia ni kristo…………..

    • Gem Ryan Bencito

      Yeah. They base it on surveys.

  • Islander

    The INC exemplifies what is wrong with our politics.

    • jeepneydr

      and they are not very good on selecting who they will endorse. look who we have now in the congress and senator Miriam, I heard she make a good comedian in the speaking circuit, and giving love advices to senators.

  • http://www.facebook.com/junnar.cangelus Junnar Cangelus

    where is Jun Magsaysay…surely he will be elected …

  • Gem Ryan Bencito

    Factual errors? Contact the Philippine Daily Inquirer’s day desk. Believe this article violates journalistic ethics? Contact the Inquirer’s Reader’s Advocate. Or write The Readers’ Advocate:

    YOU DON’T SAY? :P

  • Guest

    Di ko ma-imagine mas popular pa pala si Nancy kay Chiz Escudero? Wow, wala pa nga
    nagagawa, sikat na si Nancy. Tikas!

  • superpilipinas

    So if these senators are CORRUPT, meaning promising things to INC in order to get their votes instead, why does she not name them?…..

    she does not have te integrity and courage to do that.

  • RiverHorse

    the old hag is at it again!

  • http://www.facebook.com/iyen.dev Iyen Dev

    Religious groups are more politicized than the Gov’t.

  • simondj

    Peter, Paul and John never introduced bloc voting, but some pastors twist the verses, or to be exact, they can put another word to make it appear it is the word they want to proclaim. there is no verse in the bible that encourage or telling the people to vote as a bloc. but they do it for gain.

  • alden

    9 million votes isang deception haha mga manloloko talga INC muta pa nga sa 9 million ang myembro nila…so panu sila makapagpo-provide ng 9 million votes nakakatawa at ito namn si senator santiago nauto na rin!

  • alden

    9 MILLION VOTES A DECEPTION LAUGH!

  • Ronron Galang

    Matalino ba talaga itong si miriam defensor santiago? bakit nagpapaloko sa mga inc? tsk tsk

  • mycris

    hate all you want… throw every fabricated lies you have… all day and all night… and hopefully it will make your day… for that’s the only thing you can do.. and nothing more…

  • kilabot

    if catholic vote is debatable,
    inc vote is sure as death;
    those who get inc vote may live another term.

  • Phil dc

    when you underestimate the real voting power of INC then you are in for a rude surprise. Downplaying it will not benefit you. DEMOCRACY is a NUMBERS game. If they are really 9 million why should you call it non-democratic? Politicians fear because they know.

  • patriotic_act

    either if INC indeed has that number of votes is not our concern since its just a small part of the whole voting population, it can make a difference but will not be a guaranteed win..

    in 2010 they didnt support Erap but he still got 9.4M votes anyway aside from Villar, Teodoro and Gordon got (5.5M combined)..

    PNoy got 15.2M votes

    • KarlosRegaza

      do not discount the hocus-picos of Panot.

      • patriotic_act

        nothing is constant but change, we will need to adopt an electronic type of voting in the long run anyway so its better than never.. Pnoy wont be president forever so lets just wait until his term ends

  • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

    I see a lot of ADD soft witted comment lol. Why so jealous with the INC bloc vote? It is not us who claimed a 9 million vote but the senator and those who are belligerent half witted people get a life. The INC bloc vote is upholds the unity that the true church possess whether the candidate that we voted will win or lose the election. The INC is still the winner because we follow the unity that Christ taught to us. While those who run for the election are killing each just for the sake of winning we live in Christ realm of unity.

    • doncleo

      why, did Christ tell you to vote as one? why did He not tell it to other christian religions? unfair naman pala si Christ kung ganun..ang swerte naman ng mga INC.. kayo na nga ang napili! teka teka, tanong ko lang po: bakit panay suporta ng Inglesia ni Manlo kay Marcos noon maski marami na sya pinapatay at sobra na pandarmbong nya? bakit ba maski mga politikong magnanakaw sa gobyerno ay sinusuportahan nyo sa local na halalan ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

      That is your personal opinion which is not true to ADD Members. Words can easily flow out of your mouth and claim such but the basis is already in the book. Others claim of what they are saying is written but the twist of what is written depends to the speaker.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benedictus.cruz Benedict Cruz

        Oh really? so how would you explain the ADD bloc vote? Some kind of hypocrital nature of the ADD fanaticism lol

  • disqus_TIN7gERpi1

    BOOO BOOO ang SUMUSUKAT at nagsasabi na sa boto lang sa Partylist ang sukatan ng DAMI ng BOTO NG Iglesia. Paano kung Ang Porsyento ng Mga BOTO ng INC Ay Per REGION at Bawat Region Ay Pinapaboto Sa Isang PArtylist Kaya nyo pa Bang I-Account? BOOO Booo!

  • Avida Red

    Kelan ka pa naging spokeperson ng INC?

    • disqus_TIN7gERpi1

      Bakit Dahil lang sa katangahan mo kaya ko sinabi yun… Ang boto Sa partylist ay per Percentage at INC Are Thinking Voters.

  • Filpino

    Bumoto tayo bilang Pinoy hindi bilang kasapi nang kung anu-anong sekta. May pag-iisip naman tayo para makapamili kung sinu-sino nararapat iboto. Matagal narin naman ginagawa yang pagpili ng kung sino-sinong sekta sa dapat iboto ng kasapi nya, pero bakit hanggang ngayon mahirap parin Pinas.

  • phantomofhope

    administration coalition?? pwe! pag magbago presidente, magpalit din ng uniform mga yan eh :)

  • disqus_TIN7gERpi1

    Partylist Votes are by percentage of the toal Vote Casted… Then How Come People are trying to Measure INC Votes over what the INC Are Endorsing? What If They Have Divided Their Votes Per Region Accordingly to the Winability of their endorsement?

  • stealth ice

    i will vote for those who are not endorsed by religious groups. it just show that these are the candidates who are not indebted to anyone and can run the government without favoring these religious groups in return.

    show me your endorsement roman catholic bishops and iglesia ni cristo ministers and i will show you whom will I vote.

  • pubringjuandelacruz

    INC endorses politicians because they have vested interests. That is why some plum positions in government are covered mostly by INC.

  • noyab

    OK LANG AT BAKA MAG KAROON PA NG BILL NA IDECLARE NA MGA PROPETA ANG LAHAT NG MGA MANALO LOKO LOKO. KAYA PARANG ISINUMPA ANG PILIPINAS DAHIL SA DAMI NG MGA PROPETA AT MGA KANDIDATO NA NAKAKAUSAP DAW NILA ANG DIYOS (GAYA NI BRO EDI). MAYROON PANG ISANG BALIW DYAN NA SIYA RAW ANG SELF APPOINTED SON BO GOD (PASTOR QUIBOLOY)….

  • jgl414567

    The INC is a peudo religion and should be shunned!

  • hustlergalore

    Meanwhile, the Iglesia ni Manalo, Inc. is building the so-called biggest arena in the world, the philippine arena. kashing-kashing. LOL

  • Noel

    Revilla and Lapid parts of the independent bloc? Of course not.

  • indiosbravos2002

    Ibig bang sabihin nito ngayon palang tumitiwalag na si Sotto kay Enrile. Wahaha. Trapong trapo si dabarkads ah. Sariling pwet nya muna sinalba.

  • indiosbravos2002

    Politicians who will be endorsed by the INC are those that made a deal with this religion. Its like dealing with the DEVIL. Para kaluluwa mo kasama sa kontrata, kapalit ng boto nila.

    • jeepneydr

      Look like INC is not very good on selecting cans, Look at majority of our politicians

  • AllaMo

    Senators? Huus, galit-/kampi lang ang mga yan pagdating sa pagbibigay sa sarili nila nang bonus. Puro malaswa.

  • Pio Gante

    eh kailangan manalo di ba?

  • cry_freedom

    So what? It’s about time to make the INC’s endorsement during elections irrelevant. The majority must not become a ‘captured audience’ of this minority group.

    We know that this endorsement always come with tremendous fringe benefits for this minority group.

    It’s about time we put a stop to this ‘dog eats dog’ practice.

    • Nom De Guerre

      then why are you still participating in this forum?

      • cry_freedom

        Your reply is mind-boggling at the very least. I think you did not understand, to say the least, my posting.

        Then I saw some of your postings – and all i can say is: get off your high horses, pretender to the throne of intelligence!

      • Nom De Guerre

        In case you haven’t noticed, it is cretins such as yourself who willingly make yourselves, what was the term? Oh yeah, ‘captured audience’. Like you were coerced to pay attention. So why are you still here?

        Isn’t it about time you get off this forum find some other news to vandalize?

  • Guest

    Not a single news in reference or even minutely related to this religion posted online by any reputable publication goes by without you cretins whining like infants. It’s amusing how you abundantly waste the better part of your day googling every single news you can get your hands on about this religion, just so you can flood public fora such as this with your acute insecurities.

    This religion preserves a low profile. Rarely have you read or heard any official representative of this religion provide media feedback other than that which their own network release themselves. Yet here you all are, like bees swarming all over a honey-filled hive.

    Get over yourselves already and mind your own beeswax..

  • tristan marius

    kala ko si Mirriam, senador na merong prinsipyo. unti unti nang lumalabas na bumoto sya ng “not guilty” ke Corona, dahil utos ng Iglesia ni Cristo. trapo ka rin pala Mirriam!

    • doncleo

      dati na yang “maduming trapo”

  • China Lee

    Religious support a milking cow of religious leaders. INC is the spearheaded this kind of religious business.

  • wawa2172

    Politics is so dirty, pati religious groups are getting so involved with it instead of taking care of their flocks spiritual beliefs and needs. Politics is power and religious groups want’s a piece of pie for them to be relevant. Religon is a big business economy where it get its budget and earnings from the monies it gets from its members without having to pay taxes. Sobrang yaman nang INC, El Shadai, JIL, SDA, Cathics, Born Again among others. Help this nation God, your name and your house is being used in the name of politics specifically by false religious leaders who have enriched themselves the way not to your likings.

  • 2rey3

    Independent means WAY KLARO!

  • mycris

    hate all you want… throw tons of fabricated lies to the INC.. post malicious comments…all day and all night… and hopefully it will make your day… for this is the only thing you can do… and nothing more…

    • hustlergalore

      Did Iglesia ni Manalo, Inc. participate in the failed coup d’etat of erap estrada against gloring administration? Did they not help in brainwashing the minds of the innocent tambays to march towards malacanang in may 1, 2001?

      Ka Toto: alam mo ba si erap magaling yan. si gloria, langhiya yan.
      The Gatungera Fat lady: (just nods incessantly) oo nga! oo nga! oo nga!

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • gikiness

    NANINIWALA AKO KAY MIRIAN, CULTO ANG INC. MASKI ANO ANG IPAGAWA NG INC SA MGA FOLLOWERS, SUSUNOD SILA

  • Nom De Guerre

    It’s amusing how predictable you netizens operate. It’s like you just got up one day and decided to abundantly waste the better part of your day googling any and every news you can find about this religion and whine like a bunch of four year olds. Wherever and whenever there are news about INC, there you all are like twitter followers.

    Oh well, whatever makes you feel better about yourselves.

    • ApoNiLolo

      They do that when it comes to ANY religion. It’s a hot topic. Not just THIS religion, kapatid! >: D

  • virgoyap

    If the INC will dominate our population then election will become moot and academic.

    • ApoNiLolo

      Not necessarily the population. Just the electoral outcome suffice. Come to think of it, they already achieved that.

    • mycris

      afraid? it already started…

  • $14971196

    This country has been suffering for so long because of those religious leaders who abused their believers to advance their own personal agenda. These Filipinos should wake up and vote on who they believed will propel this country to greatness, rather than voting blindly the pre-selected politicians pushed to them by their religious leaders. I hope they will remember that any promised votes by their leaders to these politicians, since they are expecting some returns from it, is an act of corruption, compromising from the very start the welfare of the whole country. In short, a CULT block vote equates to CORRUPTION itself.

  • Guest

    May bias itong forum na ito.

  • http://www.facebook.com/emmacv1 Emma Custodio Villa

    Ang mga politiko na bomoto ayon sa kanilang konsiyensiya at hindi naging alipin ng isang malaking organisasyon ay dapat suportahan, hindi parusahan. Ang mga kababayan nating INC dapat makita ito. Huwag sundin ang inyong mga liders kung sino ang inyong iboboto. Pag-aralan ninyo ito. Tingnan kung sino ang mga maaayos na kandidato, hindi yong kung sino ang mas malaking pangako sa INC, hindi yong mangako na pagbigyan ang isang INC member na maging head ng isang department. Corruption yan at hindi paraang Kristiano.

    • ApoNiLolo

      Asking INC members to heed your call is like telling them to dis-associate themselves from their “church”. >: D

    • mycris

      who are you to tell that?

  • igmat

    just as much as we hate the bishops tinker in politics, we should abhor any other sect who practice the same either in guise of loyalty or for any other reason we do not believe anyway for in the end even how good the intention is, it’s always boil down to personal interest and in no way God’s

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ericson-Gallito/100000103522443 Ericson Gallito

    ung comment po ni miram sa kanya lang po un. Why are you so mad about INC and its leader. Wala nmang kinalaman INC sa statement ni Sen . Miraim. Hindi naman INC nagsabi na mananagot ang mag double crossed samin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jesus.pomendia Jesus Pomendia

    ADD Members are not guided by a blind leader.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    What is this mabaho masonic INC loge doing in politics ?

  • JuanTamadachi

    I guess this religion is just about the only thing that our brazen politicians, used to running roughshod over anything and everything in their path, dread; that is, they dread not being supported at the polls.

  • tarikan

    Thanks Lord/God I am not an INC member. Because otherwise, You might be mad at me big time. You gave me a “free will” but looks like the INC prohibits the use of it by meddling in our business of voting the right persons during elections. The INC insists (very strongly) on its own list of candidates and if I were to contradict, my family and I would be in deep trouble. I really am fortunate that I am not an INC member so much so that I am eager to exercise my right of suffrage without fear or favor.

    • Nom De Guerre

      And thank heavens INC is fortunate enough that degenerates such as yourself will never be one of their members. Touche douche!

      • tarikan

        A discerning voter is now called degenerate? Then what you call those people who vote according to the wishes of their religious leaders like the INC, low life amoebas? Come on partner, I thought of you as an educated “free will ” thinker. Be a kapatid but don’t let them jackones (?) dictate how to exercise your constitutionally guaranteed right of suffrage (you dig this word?). If I were a kapatid, I’ve been hanged atop the spire of your Constitution Ave. church a looong time ago.

      • mycris

        it’s a great thing you are not… we don’t want the spire to get filthy…

        we follow church doctrines by our own free will… we examined every single doctrine we heard…before accepting it… and self-centered people like you can’t take away the pristine teachings we whole-heartedly embraced…

      • TJL

        Doesn’t the INC “embrace” the doctrine of charity toward others?
        If someone speaks ill of you, are you supposed to respond with pride or as St. Paul did with charity?
        The Officers of the INC would actually chew you and “Nom” out for your prideful and aggressive approach to this.
        Yes, speak the teaching of the INC if that is what you believe, I respect that very much. But, if I were to judge the INC based on some of the members comments here today I wouldn’t like the INC one bit. But I happen to know the doctrines of the INC, apparently better than you do otherwise you would have jumped on Nom for calling people “degenerates” simply over a disagreement. If you think I’m wrong, get one of your ministers to tell me different and I’ll prove him a fraud.
        And as for my fellow Catholics on here today, the same thing goes for you.
        This is an issue about voting, not religion, but either way there is no need for uncharitable remarks. Take a deep breath and think before posting.

      • mycris

        you are selective in your criticism… you don’t practice what you preach… read all the comments here… most of them are against INC… hurting words… lies… fabricated stories… they have no respect with other’s feeling… they ridicule the church and its doctrines.. and its members…they throw name-calling to us… and now here you are preaching as if we are the ones who persecute these people… wake up… in fact you are one of the most arrogant.. the difference is just you are refined… professional… not like the others who act like an uneducated idiot…

        i am not saint… nor good… but i never throw the first stone…

        thank you for your time.. i like you tho…

      • TJL

        Please be specific.
        If I have made a mean comment or spoke ill of the INC please tell me what I said and If I have spoken wrongly I will apologize.
        I respect the INC and its members.
        I do my best to speak only with facts and with charity.
        So, if I have spoken wrong, please be specific. What did you find offensive?

  • Benjamin Vallejo Jr

    INC membership does not exceed 4M.

    • maysayako

      and 99.9% of them are uto-uto and gunggung!

    • TJL

      The INC membership numbers vary dramatically depending on the source of the numbers. They are all over the place.
      The number of members who are of “voter age” and are otherwise “qualified to vote” is, of course, much smaller than the published numbers by the INC.
      One thing to also keep in mind is that most of the published numbers include global membership. There are many overseas workers who will not be returning to vote despite their eligibility.
      The actual numbers of qualified voters from the last elections were less than 2 million.
      But, even if they were 5 million, they still wouldn’t have a real impact in a nation with about 45 million eligible voters.
      The real impact they have is negative publicity which has some residual affect on non INC voters.
      They also have an impact by legitimizing a form of voting that is contrary to the democratic process and encourages other more dangerous groups to do the same.

    • jaime magalona

      Are you sure? hahaha

  • disqus_KIYltoUfb5

    Solid vote? Pls check ilan votes partylist ng INC. It will give you the actual figures

    • jaime magalona

      LOL please do research before you make a comment. Iba-ibang party list ang dinadala ng INC, kung d ako ngkakamali kada distrito sa buong pilipinas, iba’t ibang party list ang ibinoboto. Ayan at alam mo na, cge daw ilabas mo actual figure hehehe

  • disqus_KIYltoUfb5

    Double-crossed as defined by meriam webster:
    b : an act of betraying or cheating an associate
    So, it means di nag kasundo ang mga politicians sa kapritsu ng mga INC. Wow atleast may mga natitira pa na may prinsipyo na politicians. Eto yng mga kagaya ni Rizal noong araw na di nag pa uto sa mga religious groups.

  • white scorpion

    i cannot blame them. if they so wish to follow their leader dictates blindly. then i think we can not see any big change in our lifetime. the names of the winners have one way or another their own personal interest. i don’t expect inc to see it. OR ELSE, matagal na sana tayong may mabubuting leaderS.

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    As a human instinct those who betrays you will be your enemy, if there’s opportunity he or she has to pay you back. If bloc-voting of INC is not real, there’s nothing to worry about, vote for candidate of your choice. Bloc-voting is their religious practice, it may not be decisive on polls and overrated, but politicians approach INC to strengthen their chance of winning.

  • Mark

    INC bloc vote is a misnomer, ask Danding Cojuangco and Mar Roxas.

    Naghihintay pa ng survey mula sa mga katoliko at protestanteng botante ang INC bago mag endorso.

    • hustlergalore

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. true!

    • mycris

      really? then maybe only INC voted for them… didn’t you always say that INC voters are just a handful? do you expect a handful will win against tens of millions? ask yourself where was the non-inc votes for them?

  • $27317632

    Show me the list so mas madaling bumoto dahil crossed out ko agad kung sino ang mga supported nila!!!!!!!!

  • hustlergalore

    Did Iglesia ni Manalo, Inc. participate in the failed coup d’etat of erap estrada against gloring administration? Did they not help in brainwashing the minds of the innocent tambays to march towards malacanang in may 1, 2001?

    Ka Toto: alam mo ba si erap magaling yan. si gloria, langhiya yan.
    The Gatungera Fat lady: (just nods incessantly) oo nga! oo nga! oo nga!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • BoyBakal

    Santiago: Bets who betrayed Iglesia Ni Cristo ” WILL PAY”

    Di lang pay or double pay….tiwalag pa ang aabutin.

  • joeybg

    ANG SEKTA NG MGA UTU-UTO, MGA DAKILANG TANGA AT BOBO NA SUNUD-SUNURAN SA LAHAT NG SABIHIN NI MANALO.

    ‘RELIHIYON ” KUNO,…. GINAGAMIT ANG MGA SALITA NG DIYOS SA PAGPAPAYAMAN.

    MAAWA KAYO SA SARILI NINYO…. WALANG GAMOT SA KATANGAHAN AT KABOBOHAN.

    MAGDESISYON KAYO SA SARILI NINYO, HINDI KUNG ANO LANG ANG SABIHIN NI MANALO AY GAGAWIN NINYO.

    IKUMPARA NINYO ANG INYONG KABUHAYAN SA INYONG MGA MINISTRO, SINO SA PALAGAY NINYO ANG NAKA-ANGAT ANG KABUHAYAN, KAYO O ANG MGA MINISTRO NINYO???

    ANG PAGIGING MALAPIT SA DIYOS AY ANG PAGGAWA AT PAGTULONG SA KAPWA, HINDI ANG PAGPUNTA SA MGA KAPILYA O SIMBAHAN TUWING ARAW NG LINGGO.

    • mycris

      Maybe you don’t know yet but using bold letters signifies lack of etiquette..

      For so long now… you are wasting your time throwing malicious comments against INC… stop being self-centered and let go of envious feeling… then maybe you can sleep peacefully…

      • joeybg

        ANG SARAP MATULOG NG MGA MINISTRO NINYO DAHIL, DAMI NILANG NA-UTO….. KAWAWA KA NAMAN WALANG GAMOT SA KATANGAHAN AT KABOBOHAN NINYO.

      • rassius_fender

        troll yan. dont feed trolls.

  • EVILCOUPLE

    Iglesya, Velarde, CBCP yan lang ang yumayaman, yung nga tagasuporta nila, gutom.
    Nga pari kapag nag misa yan, pag labas naka SUV. Ni hindi nga tumutulong sa mahihirap ang nga it. DONT VOTE ENRILE.

  • Nom De Guerre

    Look world! Take a good look and see. This is the Philippines. And we are the citizens who represent our country. All the feedback comprising this forum is a reflection of the prevailing state of nature of our civilized society – united by kindness, compassion, respect, and above all, faith.

    Yeeaaah… That’s what I thought.

    • TJL

      Ha! Love to see democracy in action, especially, when everyone involved is so charitable and respectful towards one another, despite the differences…

  • kokak

    .
    I believe that the INK only endorses candidates who are leading in the surveys in the first place. That’s why they come up with their endorsement just days to go before the election day, and after all the nationwide surveys have been published. That means their solid vote basically cant affect the outcome of election. Their “solid-vote” – while existing – will be given to those who are about to win anyway.

    Erap was ahead in surveys in 1998. So dont be amazed to see INK to endorsing him even if he is a lasenggero, babaero (traits that supposed to irk an iglesia). But in 2010 when Noynoy is clearly ahead in surveys, Iglesia endorsed Noynoy instead of Erap. INK is clearly riding on bandwagon.

    But a website i saw says otherwise: that Iglesia actually endorsed candidates who failed miserably in elections.

    ah, whatever, i think iglesia solid-vote is so overrated.
    .

    • indiosbravos2002

      Very valid observation. Never have they endorsed a candidate before or at the start of the campaign. Palaging win wi para kingmaker “kuno” sila.

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    I love Iglesia ni Cristo when they vote for my candidates, but I hate them if they don’t vote for my choice. Boooooooo!

  • tongky80

    is she still smoking from the corona debacle? The other senators were just being practical when they decided to vote in accordance with what the greater number of citizens thought were right, even an Iglesia backing will not save their hide from the negative backlash.

  • tongky80

    is she still fuming from the corona debacle? no amount of Iglesia backing would have saved the hide of a re-electionist senator who voted for acquittal.

  • tanzangluma

    repost:

    BONG REVILLA, Ramon, Jr. B. 19,513,521
    ESTRADA, Jinggoy E. 18,925,925
    DEFENSOR SANTIAGO, Miriam P. 17,344,742
    DRILON, Franklin M. 15,871,117
    ENRILE, Juan Ponce 15,665,618
    CAYETANO, Pilar Juliana S. 13,679,511
    MARCOS, Ferdinand, Jr. R. 13,169,634
    RECTO, Ralph G. 12,436,960
    SOTTO,Vicente III C. 11,891,711
    OSMEÑA, Sergio III D. 11,656,668
    LAPID, Manuel M. 11,025,805
    GUINGONA,Teofisto III D. 10,277,352
    source: website of COMELEC

    Ito ang listahan ng mga nanalo noong May 10, 2010 senatorial election. Lahat sila ay tinulungan ng Iglesia Ni Cristo. Except Osmena.

    Percentage 11/12 = 92%

    • maysayako

      nagpapatawa ka ba? e yan yung mga nag-top sa surveys! ang ginagawa kasi ng INC e tinitinggnan nila ang mga malalakas sa survey tapos yun yung i-eendorse ni matalo para masabing sila ang nagpapanalo! kahit di i-endorse n i matalo mananalo pa rin ang mga iyan!

      • Equalizer

        hindi naman nag i endorse si Manalo…tinupad lang niya na alagaan ang mga tupa…..isa yan sa paraan na mapangalagaan ang mga tupa..dapat magkaisa…..

  • Ganymede

    Baka sa susunod si Manalo na ang mgaing presidente ng Pinas

    • reiks

      That would contradict the “No INC Members are allowed to run on a publicly nominated position” rule though. Which wont look good for his credentials :D

  • Hermie Tuden

    di po pang eepal ang ginagawa ng mga kaanib sa iglesia..bumuboto kami dahil karapatan natin bilang pilipino..nagkakaisa kami sapagkat ung ang doktrina at aral na pinatutupad sa iglesia ni cristo..magpadoktrina kayo para maunawaan ninyo kung bakit ganun na lang ang pagkakaisa ng mga INC…ito lang ang matibay na palatandaan na ang INC ay ang tunay na relihiyon na sa DIyos sapagkat naghahari ang pagkakaisa sa samahan ito.

    • jeff

      pagkakaisa ba o sabwatan para kumita ang iglesia?

      • oliveoil

        sabwatan lang yan para mas kumita yang mga ganid na yan ng pera.

      • Equalizer

        Hindi na kailangan kumita ang Iglesia. Ang dami na naming naipon na handog. Nakita mo ba ang bilyon bilyon na pinatayo na mga building ng INC. Isa na yung Phlippine Arena.. 9 bilyon yun boy…

    • maysayako

      matanong ko lang, so kung 100%INC ang pinas(wag naman sana!) di natin kailangan ng election kasi susundin na lang natin ang i-eendorse ni matalo?!?!

      • reiks

        as far as I know, if that even happens, there wont be any public officials. Since INC members are barred by the church to run for public positions or risk being excommunicated. Then again, kudos to him since he’ll win with his only vote but no one would follow him haha!

      • Equalizer

        Tama ka … sino pa ang lalaban kung sigurado namang talo..ngayun ka lang tumama boy…

  • jeff

    INC was double-crossed probably because of the impeachment of dishonest corona? Mirriam, is that a compliment or an insult to the INC? Do you mean to say that the INC is some kind of a syndicate engaging in under the table agreement? Please clarify.

  • Jess Jacinto

    Trillanes doesnt give a hoot about the INC. The INC is irrelevant as far as he is concerned. He was voted by Catholic Anti-GMA groups. He does not need INC support. So waht Miriam?

  • Jess Jacinto

    Trillanes is a good man. He singlehandledly brought down arroyo NOT PNoy.

  • Tommy

    With all due respect to the INC members on this forum, bloc voting in general is a disgusting practice, in my opinion.

    • mycris

      it’s ok… everybody is entitled to his own opinion… but that doesn’t mean everybody is correct…

      • TJL

        Very true. And what makes the position of the INC correct. After all, are they not acting contrary to what you just said, “everybody is entitled to his own opinion”?
        The positions that the INC takes on things may very well be benevolent (good), but that is beside the point.
        If “good” groups can influence votes, then “bad” groups should be allowed to as well… and there goes the free democratic process that is barely surviving in the first place.
        Block voting is ideologically opposed to Democracy. It is a cross between Socialism and Communism.
        The INC can have all the best intentions in the world but good intentions are not the only thing needed for good results.
        If you truly believe that the INC members all vote the same, then why have block voting?

      • mycris

        “If you truly believe that the INC members all vote the same, then why have block voting?” don’t you think what you just said is a contradiction itself? isn’t it when you bloc vote you vote all the same?…

        one’s opinion is very much different from a church doctrine… a church doctrine is always right… and will remain right… no matter how many people find it otherwise in his own opinion…

        INC members always experience persecutions from the “bad’ group… they want to break the unity in the church… for their own selfish reasonings and desire… but the more you persecute the INC the more they become united…

      • Nom De Guerre

        And what malevolent force of nature brought you to this forum exactly?

        And why are you this fixated with this religion?

        If you truly wish to find an accurate answer to your questions, then why don’t you address it to the church administration, that is if you have the galls?

      • TJL

        God is benevolent, not malevolent.
        You are an embarrassment to the INC.
        At least you recognize the fact that you can’t supply any accurate answers about your Faith.
        And, if you read my comments you will discover that I have had communications with the church administration.
        Besides, why would it take “galls” to talk with the church administration? They are nice people, not rude and mean spirited like you.
        I like them and I love my family who are part of the INC.
        None of them give me responses like you do.
        I showed our comments here to some of them and they are embarrassed by you. They say, shame on you, and so do I.

      • Nom De Guerre

        This is a recording:
        “Whatever makes you feel better about yourself” ;)

  • jorgii0550

    The power of making free choices or free will are one of the greatest gift God has given to us……why are the INC trying to take this away from its members?

    INC block voting is pure and simple opportunism by the leaders of that religion to gain influence and power.

    • mycris

      I understand your ignorance… wanna be informed with the truth? ask the INC themselves… and get the facts straight from them… or you may stay ignorant about the INC and continue posting senseless comments.. good day!

      • TJL

        What was said wrong by “jorgii”? Enlighten us please. Half of my family is in the INC and they are actually under a great deal of pressure from the Officers of the INC to take a public stance on their behalf.
        They don’t ALL agree but if they don’t publically agree they are chastised and embarrassed.
        If the INC believes that they hold the right positions on things and that God is on their side, then they should have no problem staying out of the “bully pulpit”.
        They should preach their values and let their members go to the polls and make a confidential vote of conscience.
        They are actually pushing their members away by these kinds of control techniques.

      • mycris

        unity in the INC is never an opportunism like what jorgii was saying….. it is one of the fundamental doctrine in the INC… everybody who wish to join the iNC will undergo indoctrination… and a long probation to make sure he understand the doctrines being taught to him… if he pass the probation then he can be baptized to become a true member of the church… this means before anyone will join the church he has heard… and thought it over… every doctrine in the INC.. and nobody will force him to stay if he thinks there is a fallacy or his right is being suppressed…

        each member in the iNC has his own free will… nobody is taking it away from him… we are free to follow or not to follow the doctrine of unity… and a true INC always submit himself to the teachings of the church…by his own free will… one of these is unity…

        you talk like a professional and i believe you are one…. but perhaps you forgot that citing yourself as reference to criticize others is very unprofessional…

      • TJL

        Pardon my lack of professionalism. I do understand the Doctrine of Unity and the indoctrination process, that is not in question here, the voting process is. Certainly, members are supposed to obey their church teachings, but why use block voting methods to ensure such obedience? If a person goes to the polls and votes against church teachings, is that not between that person and God? It is not a contradiction to say that God designed us with a free will and then demand that a public proclamation of agreement be made when it comes time to vote? You acknowledge that no one is perfect and that we are not all saints, this is a good thing to humbly be ware of. St. Paul was aware of that involving himself in Phil 2:12 when he said that he was working out his salvation with fear and trembling. Should we not allow all citizens, and faithful, the opportunity to voluntarily choose to obey the “unity” preached? My point isn’t that the INC is good or bad. My point is that there is a precedence set that actually harms the INC, because if the INC sidesteps the democratic process, so will bad groups that out number them.

      • Guest

        What malevolent force of nature brought you to this forum? Enlighten us please.

      • TJL

        God is benevolent, not malevolent.
        You are an embarrassment to the INC.

      • Nom De Guerre

        So you’re suggesting it was Him who brought you here?
        That’s awfully big of you.

  • prince_janus

    may kilala akong membro ng INC, di naman siya bomoboto sa dikta ng kanilang mga pinuno.

  • Olibo

    That’s Miriam’s. Who cares? I will vote for the candidates of my choice. INC members when casting their votes are in the privacy of polling booth.Outside the polling area, they tell their non-INC friends who’re against this bloc-voting that they voted according to their own choosing. But believe it or not they are united.

  • speedstream2

    Isn’t bloc voting overrated? Many people these days will vote as they deem fit because, believe it or not, they’re more informed than expected, courtesy of the accessibility and reach of various media.

  • maysayako

    Manalo: mga kapatid iboto nati si corrupt politician, si babaerong politician, si magnanakaw na politician, si sinungaling politician, etc….

    INC Members: opo panginoon

    Manalo: mga kapatid tumalon tayong lahat sa bangin

    INC Members: opo panginoon

    tsk tsk mga uto-uto talaga!

    • mycris

      wahahaha… gumagawa ka ng script sa mga play ng mga ingitero? ampanget.. hihihi

  • gerp

    i dont think INC members are too dumb to follow their leadership on endorsing candidates.

    • mycris

      people may not believe it.. or should say they choose not to believe it… but the INC is always united… the more they persecute the INC the more they become united… and nobody can break it…

      • TJL

        They are more united then some groups, I’ll grant you that.
        I’m curious about something that you may be able to answer.
        I have spoken with many INC members, many of them close family members and friends, and most of them subscribe to a belief that the “end” of the world is coming in 2014.
        Note: I have not seen anything official from the INC on that.
        So, why are some members passionate about that, and some not?
        Isn’t that lack of unity? Certainly, unity cannot always be upheld.
        And, if the “end” is to come in 2014, why bother with elections?
        I’m being serious here. What, if anything, do you know about this “end of times in 2014″ belief?
        Thanks.

      • Nom De Guerre

        Why do you ask premeditated questions to which you’ve already assumed the answers?

      • TJL

        I wasn’t asking you, and I don’t know the answer, that’s why I asked.
        And, if you don’t know the answer, let the person who was asked answer it, then we’ll both know.
        And, no, there is no answer provided by myself to the question about the “end of times in 2014″ belief.
        I’m actually curious about it and if you don’t want to discuss your Faith in a reasonable manner, maybe you should leave this forum because you are making the INC look bad.
        You should have a polite and sound answer ready so as to proclaim your Faith and make converts.
        Don’t be defensive or act like a punk. It hurts your cause.
        Show your response to your minister and see if he likes it.

      • Nom De Guerre

        In case you haven’t noticed, the title of the published news article says “Santiago: Bets who betrayed Iglesia Ni Cristo will pay”

        On that note, let me remind you that this comment section is specifically intended for the primary purpose of civilized exchanges of diverse point of views in reference with the aforementioned news article, not ‘to proclaim your faith and make converts’ nor stir unnecessary discussions by posing premeditated questions which is completely irrelevant to the news topic. That’s what blogs are for. Are you catching my drift?

        And before you start making any more asinine assumptions regarding my religious affiliation, it would probably be in your best interest to get your head out of your behymen and get your facts straight. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

        Have a nice day… ‘punk’.

      • rassius_fender

        well..you could’ve just told him up front that his post was not related to the aforementioned article. the guy just got plain curious about faith and religion after reading an article about INC. you were in a position to proclaim or defend your faith, and what you did was brush off the guy’s question and leave the discussion like nothing happened.

        or are you just skirting the issue?

      • Nom De Guerre

        “well..you could’ve just told him up front that his post was not related to the aforementioned article.”

        I just did.

        And for the last time, let me reiterate myself. This forum is neither the appropriate place to ‘proclaim or defend your faith’, nor raise personal issues extraneous from the antecedent news article.

        Is that abundantly clear?

      • Olibo

        INC believes that the end of the world is near but here’s no specific day or time it will occur. It could be anytime or after you’ve just read this comment. But like some people who posted their comments here, your question is irrelevant to issue. Members are taught to work,study and do normal daily life routine responsibly, ‘it’s business as usual’. Cheers!

  • jeepneydr

    Is this newsworthy? or Inquirer run out of things to publish.

  • tanzangluma

    repost:

    BONG REVILLA, Ramon, Jr. B. 19,513,521
    ESTRADA, Jinggoy E. 18,925,925
    DEFENSOR SANTIAGO, Miriam P. 17,344,742
    DRILON, Franklin M. 15,871,117
    ENRILE, Juan Ponce 15,665,618
    CAYETANO, Pilar Juliana S. 13,679,511
    MARCOS, Ferdinand, Jr. R. 13,169,634
    RECTO, Ralph G. 12,436,960
    SOTTO,Vicente III C. 11,891,711
    OSMEÑA, Sergio III D. 11,656,668
    LAPID, Manuel M. 11,025,805
    GUINGONA,Teofisto III D. 10,277,352
    source: website of COMELEC

    Ito ang listahan ng mga nanalo noong May 10, 2010 senatorial election. Lahat sila ay tinulungan ng Iglesia Ni Cristo. Except Osmena.

    Percentage 11/12 = 92%

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