Catholic bishops debunk reports of falling mass attendance

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Bishop Martin Jumoad

MANILA, Philippines—Even in Basilan, the churches are full.

A Catholic prelate said this on Thursday as he and other bishops continued to debunk the Social Weather Station (SWS) survey showing that the number of Filipinos going to Church had gone done down by more than half in the last 20 years.

Basilan Bishop Martin Jumoad said that in his province, where Muslims form the majority and Catholics just comprise a fourth of the population, churches were full of worshipers on Sunday.

Other bishops said they saw a “political motive” behind the survey, with retired Archbishop Oscar Cruz pointing to Malacañang as the “culprit.”

“In the first place, I question the survey. Who are the people behind the survey? And why are they trying to pin down the Catholic Church? What is their motive?” Jumoad said in an interview with Church-run Radio Veritas.

Jumoad, who had been a bishop of Isabela, Basilan, since November 2001, said he did not see a decline in the number of Catholic worshipers on Sundays.

“Here in Basilan, we are a minority but we are very strong. In fact, the churches here in Basilan are always full whenever we have our Sunday Masses,” he said.

“So, I don’t see here in Basilan the results of their survey. More or less, there are around 100,000 (Catholics in Basilan) because we are just 27 percent of the total (population) of 400,000,” he added.

Archbishop Cruz, former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said that the survey was meant to “undermine” the Church and that Malacañang was behind it.

“The Catholic Church in the country must be a big pain in the neck to the present administration …. It has therefore become imperative to undermine the Catholic Church—such as by the supposed survey result of Catholics becoming non-Catholics,” Cruz said.

“After all, Malacañang is decided in passing the divorce bill and the ‘mixed marriage bill’—and the Catholic Church will once more surely speak and act against them,” he added.

Cruz said the Aquino administration wanted to undermine the Church because it has been trying to mobilize its flock to vote against candidates who supported the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill.

“The problem of the administration is that even after the passage of the RH bill, there is still an effect, a Catholic vote (against it). The administration does not like this,” Cruz said.

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes said that instead of decreasing, attendance in Sunday Masses in his diocese had gone up.

“I do not believe on that (survey) because the number of people going to Mass is going up. Last Holy Week, we had so many people in church. So, as far as Sorsogon is concerned, I don’t believe in that survey,” Bastes said.

“We have no reasons to leave the Church. We have everything in here so there is no reason to leave the Church. We give the right doctrine, right directions. So, those who do not want to reach the word of God, they reject Christ, not the Catholic Church,” he said.

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  • johnlagrimas

    …people in Malacanang especially the “bald” one will pass away but the Catholic Church remains. ‘Wag masyadong mayabang mga taga Malacanang, lahat kayo pag nasa kabaong na, sa simbahan din ang hantungan. Palibhasa, mga nakapalibot kay PNoy ay mga leftists. Sayang, he allowed himself to be toyed by them.

    • sigena

      tama. mga taga malkanyang pag nasa kabaong na babalik din sa simbahan

    • cato_the_younger

      You are one big conspiracy nut. This survey was not commissioned by Malacanang. Wag masyadong mayabang John Lagrimas, lalo na pag hindi mo alam ang sinasabi mo.

    • batmanlaijai

      basta may pambayad sila …

  • kevin

    Instead of bashing the catholic ,turn your head to all jurrasic dynasty running in the election….

  • johnlagrimas

    I approached our Parish Pastoral Council of Laity President and those people involved in Basic Ecclesial Communities Program in our parish about this issue.

    I’ve gathered these data:

    Non Active Catholics who became active collaborators of the Church increased from merely 20% to 50% since 2010.

    Believers from different denominations/sects who went back to the Holy Mother Church – Catholic Church increased from merely 10% to 30% from 2010 to 2013.

    When they’re asked why: Their common answer is: Only the Catholic Church, where history and doctrines are tested through times not only by sermons and preachings but by various charitable programs for the poorest of the poor.

    I challenged the SWS to live with the poor and help them and stop manipulating data from their computers database – for money.

    • cato_the_younger

      Yeah right! If you don’t agree with the results, “bayaran kayo”. To their credit, the likes of SWS have always predicted the results of presidential elections, so between people who have the scientific background to do such things and you, I know who to believe in. I know a lot of Catholics, both family and friends – and many really are what the survey says – they only go during special occasions – Easter, Lent, etc. The educated ones among them are really turned off by the folk Catholicism in RP – scapulars, rosaries in cars, etc. – which if you come to think of it are being used like talismans (di na bale na reckless driver, po-protektahan tayo ni Santo Nino na nakabitin sa windshield), in the same way that pagans use some other stuff to protect them. Moreover, in the provinces, the governors, mayors, etc. who are the fount of corruption and mayhem are usually in “beso-beso” terms with Bishop hence it is no wonder that the likes of Mayor Sanchez, he with the diamond and emerald studded Mama Mary and big church donor would have no hesitation to rape and kill, after all para que ang indulgencia, mayaman naman siya, kaya niyang bilhin ang kapatawaran?

      • Jane Tan

        Actually, what’s turning me off right now is the preaching about voting, the RH Bill, etc.

        We came to hear the Word of God, and we get lectured on how to vote zzz

      • txtman

        SPIRITUAL & SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES MAGDIKIT YAN
        REMEMBER GUYS
        IT IS WRITTEN, NOT ALL WILL GONNA BE SAVE
        HEADS UP GOOD CATHOLICS
        ONE CATHOLIC VOTES
        AMEN

      • Observer_din

        me catholic votes naman, hiwa-hiwalay nga lang.

      • txtman

        MEDIA CORRUPT
        MEDIA CORRUPT
        MEDIA CORRUPT

    • Observer_din

      ewan ko bro,sana tama ang mga datus mo, pero parang duda ko jan, marami ako kaibigan na naging born again pero isa man sa kanila di ko na mahikayat bumalik.

    • indiosbravos2002

      I dont know how you can crunch the numbers because parishes do not have the capabiity of monitoring its exact membership, particularly in the metro, where people are mobile and would not neccesariy be attending mass everytime on a particular parish.

      I doubt if you miss mass for 3x consecutively, your parish priest will call you at home and force you to show up like what INC does. I seriously doubt that the parish priest know you or your family personally except if you are a generous donor.

  • igmat

    Jesus started with 12 yet in the next three years, 1 defected and another 1 is doubting. The way I see it, its pretty close to the survey results. The church is far from perfect but through the years it has done its job and has survived tribulations in the past. Countless of lives are changed and there will be more. Following its core and teachings were never easy but its not suppose to be. Yet it helped my life as well as my ancestors before me. We don’t have to take this survey negatively, if it’s true then the more we work harder to spread His Word.

    • txtman

      FACTS OF THE FAKE SURVEY KONO
      972 (catholics) x 9.2% = 89 person
      1200 (ghost respondents) x 81% (catholics daw) = 972
      972(RC) x 1% (non-religious RC daw) = 9.72 person
      9.72(non-religious RC) x 57.3% (thinking of leaving minsan) = 4.86 person
      SO ALL IN ALL ABOUT 9 PERSON(people thinking of leaving minsan)
      9 (RC thinking minsan of leaving) divided by 972 ( RC kono) = 0.009 or 0.9%
      >>>>> LESS THAN 1% LANG KA INNGO
      ANONG KLASENG STATISTICIAN YAN?
      MASKI GRADE SCHOOL ALAM ICOMPUTE YAN?
      GRADUATE SIGURO NG UNIVERSITY OF RECTO
      AHAHAHAHAHA
      GINAGAWA NAMAN KAYONG MGA BOBO
      AT NANIWALA NAMAN KAYO AGAD?
      AHAHAHAHA
      PITIFUL
      AHAHAHAHA

      • txtman

        TINANGAL YUNG NUMBER 8
        PARA MAGING 89 ANG FIGURE
        SINO BA ANG STATISTICIAN NILA?
        SUPER-FAKE
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        GUSSSS!
        CALLING DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
        LALO NA YUNG UNIVERSITY SIYA GRADUATE
        KAKAHIYA!!!!!
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHA

      • txtman

        AT SAKA YUNG LESS THAN 1%
        DINADAGAN NG FIGURE # 1
        PARA MAGING 1 OUT 0F 11 DAW?
        AHAHAHAHA
        ANO YAN DAGDAG -BAWAS?
        OH, NASAAN ANG CREDIBILITY NG SURVEY COMPANY NA ITO NGAYON?
        AT LEAST ALAM NA NG LAHAT NA ITONG SURVEYOR NA ITO
        AY FAKE
        CONFIRM NA THEY PRCTICE DAGDAG-BAWAS
        MANINIWALA KA PA BA NGAYON DYAN?
        AHAHAHAHA
        BUTI PA MAGSARA KA NA LANG
        KASI SIRANG-SIRA KA NA ITONG SURVEY COMPANY KONO
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

    • Observer_din

      sabi mo “countless of lives are changed” , tama ka, madami ang nagulo ang buhay noong unang panahon pa man, noong panahon ng krusada, madami pinatay madami nabago ang buhay sa mga pangyayari, sa ngayon naman madaming biktima ng pang-aabuso ng ating mga pari pero walang idinedemanda bagkus ay inililipat lamang ng lugar, sana lang makita ng maraming katoliko sa ating panahon ngayon na ang ating mga nakatataas na mga obispo o cardinal ay talagang pinaparusahan naman ang mga talagang me kasalanan. sana lang.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    “You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.”

    • foreignerph

      Very clever ;-)

  • nes911

    The bishops should keep an open mind to reality that mass goers are dwindling. This is true in some parishes in bulacan. I usually come home to my hometown during weekends and the pews are never full during the sunday masses. This is replicated in the neighboring towns according to some relatives.

    • txtman

      STOP CORRUPTION
      ONE CATHOLIC VOTE
      NOW NA
      HAYAN GALIT NA MGA LAPDOGS NG MGA CORRUPT OFFICIALS
      HEAD UP CATHOLICS

      • cato_the_younger

        Stop Corruption, yeah right. The last time I know, Marcos, Gloria, and Erap are all Catholics. And so are majority of the politicians in this country. Given the extent of corruption here and the extent of Catholicism, don’t you think there is at least some sort of failure in the so-called moral guardians of society? By the way, corruption is also very endemic in very Catholic countries like those in South America. Even in Europe, corruption is higher in the Catholic (nominally) countries like Spain and Italy.

      • Observer_din

        tama ka , “STOP CORRUPTION”, sana lang pangunahan ng ating mga obispo at pari, hindi iyong kagaya ng ginawa nila noong panahon ni Gloria, nanahimik sila, o baka naman di lang natin narinig ang boses nila dahil nakakulong sila sa loob ng malamig na SUVs na bigay/hiningi nila ke Gloria. why we see them so active only now??? tsk.. tsk.. tsk..

      • 33Sambuang2

        stop corruption of minors. stop begging for suv from the government. stop all the molester, maniac and pedophile priests. mga team tatay mga hayup kayo.

      • txtman

        TAMA KA DYAN
        KAYA KUNG MAY NALALAMAN KA
        IREPORT MO SA POLICE
        MAIGI MAGWITNESS KA NA RIN
        YAN AY KUNG TOTOO NGA TALAGA YAN
        PERO ANG TANONG
        MAY BAYAG KA BA?
        AHAHAHA
        OR HANGANG TSISMIS KA LANG?
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHA

      • 33Sambuang2

        mas me bayag ako sa yo. ugok ka talaga. ikaw ang pitiful. yan lang alam mo sabihin lagi. nabenta mo na ang bote at dyaryo siguro kaya me panginternet ka na naman. style mo bulok.

  • Jane Tan

    “We have no reasons to leave the Church. We have everything in here so *you shouldn’t leave the Church. We *force our doctrine, *force our directions…”

    *FIXED*

    Catholics in the Philippines are different from those of other countries. Mainly because the Church here, doesn’t have everything. It doesn’t offer the people what God, Himself, gave to us as one of His greatest gifts – free will.

    • floroy

      the Catholic Church teaches that we are given free will by God, free to choose what is good even the bad. But freedom should be exercised in choosing what is good, according to the will of God, not whatever man likes (like having rh, promiscuity, corruption, etc.). A church changing its beliefs according to the norms of the times is a dangerous church and does not bear the truth in itself.

      • cato_the_younger

        Where did God say that you can have as many children as you want even if you cannot feed, clothe, and educate them? What aspect of the RH bill requires the church to change its core beliefs – it clearly states that it is against abortion so there is definitely nothing there that contradicts “thou shalt not kill”. Nor is there anything there that says there is no God.

      • floroy

        the Church teaches the virtue of temperance that is discipline and self-control. that we should be responsible for our acts. A man and a woman having ‘relations’ should be ready to face the consequences of their act that is having children. that’s why the Church says that it should only be done inside marriage- its sanctity, responsibility, procreation, etc. About abortion, many forms of contraception can be considered as virtual abortion, preventing human life to live and progress in its earliest stage. We believe “thou shall not kill” applies in this situation.

      • cato_the_younger

        There was never anything in the Bible that said sex (there is nothing wrong with using the proper scientific term rather than hiding in the euphemism “relations” – you make it appear as if sex is dirty) should just be for procreation. It is also an expression of love. While in an ideal world, it should be done in the context of marriage, we know that in reality it is not (you can probably ask some of the good Fathers about this). In all probability, people who undergo abortions in RP are most likely Catholics.
        As for contraceptions being abortion, it would be nice if you can provide scientific evidence for it.

      • floroy

        I’m sorry for using ‘relations’ instead of sex, it seems it is the more appropriate word in this forum. Yes, many who undergo abortions may be Catholics because majority of us Filipinos are Catholics. Sad to say that many of us do not value human life as we should, from conception to full adulthood as we see in the dailies the culture of death and violence that prevail here. If you agree with me that what is being conceived in the mother’s womb is human life then if a person tries to prevent it from progressing, isn’t it a virtual abortion, that is ‘being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted’? (from Merriam- Webster)

      • cato_the_younger

        According to science, conception begins when the sperm and the egg meet and fertilization occurs. If that does not happen, how can there be abortion?

      • floroy

        the widely used pills, some other drugs and devices like iud’s make the mother’s womb inhospitable to the fertilized egg if and when it occurs. no pills can claim 100% effectivity in halting fertilization not to mention the side effects associated with it.

      • batmanlaijai

        YES! That’s why leaders of the church lead by example. They exercise extreme temperance – discipline and self-control! Members of the church should follow their leaders! Am I right? or I am confused?

      • http://pulanglangaw.blogspot.com/ sapula saputi

        kelan sinabi ng simbahan na mag anak kayo ng di nyo kaya? ang sinasabi lang ng simbahan, do it naturally para walang problema sa katawan ng tao. para hindi rin maabort ang bata ng “di sinasadya” at ng hindi rin magamit sa kurakot ang pera ng tao na ipambibili ng substandard contraceptives ng gobyerno at ibubulsa lang ang pera ng mga ganid.

    • http://pulanglangaw.blogspot.com/ sapula saputi

      nakapagcocomment nga ng kung ano ano ang myembro eh, di nga nagsisimba linggo linggo, binabanatan sa balita ang mga pari at obispo at binabalewala ang aral ng simbahan sa mga batas na ginagawa ng gobyerno. Tapos wala pang free will? Kung magkakaroon kayo ng sinasabi nyong “free will”, sana e wala na ko sa mundo kasi nakakatakot na ata isipin yun.

  • Pert Cabatana

    the reason why our churches and masses are overflowing is because we have a severe shortage of priests and churches. But such a situation is not good. Philippines has 5X the number of Catholics than India, yet India has 3X the number of priests than PH. (note too, that because India has a lot more priests than the Philippines, India has 8 Cardinals while PH has only 3.) Similarly, the US has less Catholics than the Philippines, but they have a lot more priests and churches (as a result US has some 10 Cardinals). Our Catholic hierarchy, instead of getting defensive, should address head-on the problem of poor effectiveness of their job resulting from the severe shortage of priests and churches. Religion is a very personal thing, thus direct person-to-person contact between believer and minister is crucial. I am happy that Pope Francis is showing the example of how to do person-to-person contact. Our bishops need to work harder to make their job more effective by producing more good quality priests and a lot more parishes so priests and parishioners can have better person-to-person contact.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      ONE CATHOLIC VOTE
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      HEADS UP CATHOLICS
      AND SAY” I’M PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC!”
      AMEN

      • cato_the_younger

        “CATHOLICS ARE SMART.”
        Judging from your posts, you couldn’t be Catholic.

      • txtman

        AND IM SURE YOU ARE NOT A CATHOLIC
        PITIFUL

      • 33Sambuang2

        catholics na katulad mo ang buang na sinasamba ang mga paring manyak , pedophile at molesters. gaya gaya ka sa kanila.

      • txtman

        AHAHAHAHA
        HINDI KO SINASAMBA ANG PARI
        BY THE WAY
        DRY RUN LANG DAW
        NG DAGDAG-BAWAS YUNG NILABAS NA RESULTS
        ELECTION NA NGA
        AHAHAHAHA
        YUNG FIGURE 9 DINAGDAGAN NG FIGURE # 8 PARA MAGING 89
        TAPOS YUNG LESS THAN 1% DINAGDAGAN NG FIGURE # 1
        PARA MAGING 1 OUT OF 11
        HINDI NGA MASYADO HALATA ANO?
        AHAHAHAHA
        NANDYAN PA PALA SI GARCI?
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • w33k3nd3r

        Not with the CBCP around.

      • txtman

        INENG, HINDI KA KAWALAN
        AS SIMPLE AS THAT
        AHAHAHAHA
        BY THE WAY, DRY RUN LANG DAW
        NAG UPCOMING DAGDAG-BAWAS YUNG SURVEY
        ELECTION NA NGA
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • http://www.facebook.com/killadajoker Denis Chanco

        Take it from this puppet over here…jump txtman jump, roll over

    • cato_the_younger

      You are one sober Catholic. The difference between you and txtman is like night and day.

    • askal2u

      They have to be the good example first by living a pious, simple, and poor life like the new pope and not take gifts or money from politicians like the Arroyos to drive around with nice SUV. While many Filipino children get hungry because their parents cannot afford to feed their many children, these bishops want them to continue to multiply and overpopulate the country. These fat bishops or Padre Damasos have good life while their congregation suffers from poverty. Can’t they ride the bus or live in a simple home instead of a mansion like the new pope did ?

  • Simplify1

    The main culprit for people leaving or thinking about leaving the church is the manner of how the church deals with the faithful….if we hear and read of:

    1. To many priest-fathers
    2. Priest-pedophiles, rapists and homosexuals
    3. Priests driving top of the line vehicles and living in abundance while millions suffer from lack of food, clothing or shelter
    4. Priests owners and smugglers of icons made out of illegally poached animals
    5. Priests who pry into lives of people, rumormongers and government distabilizers, in short noisy priests like abishop cruz
    6. etc

    When the faithful absorbs and synthesize all the above news and information, these creates notions and or misconceptionss that the CHURCH IS NO LONGER RELEVANT!!

    Truly, we look up to priests as leaders of the faith. But when they indulge in petty gossip, i.e.Kris might be running for politics in 2016 (wow), or when they polarize, create animosity with people by playing sides in politics, putting up banners for team patay or buhay, these priests lose our respects!

    • Concur_Dissent

      I concur – Priests should follow Cardinal Tagle’s approach and sermon regarding the upcoming elections. “that candidates and voters to participate in an election that aims for the common good and not geared toward corruption”…… The good cardinal did not endorse any candidate or political party nor did he suggest or recommend the team buhay or patay groups that some misled priests are espousing..

    • txtman

      >>> BAKIT NEWS ITO? <<<<<
      KASI NGA INQUIRER IS A YELLOW LAPDOG MEDIA
      KAHIYA
      NAGPAPAGAMIT NA RIN PALA SILA SA DAGDAG-BAWAS
      AHAHAHAHA
      PITIFUL

      • 33Sambuang2

        tang na mo talaga. manahimik ka na nga.

      • txtman

        TSONG, DRY RUN LANG DAW RESULTS NG SURVEY
        CLASSIC DAGDAG-BAWAS
        ELECTION NA NGA
        AHAHAHAHA
        IMAGINE YUNG 9 DINAGDAGAN NG FIGURE 8 PARA MAGING 89
        THE YUNG LESS THA 1% PERCENT
        DINAGDAGAN ULIT NG FIGURE # 1
        PARA MAGING 1 OUT OF 11
        ANO YAN 1 OUT OF 11 FOR UNA LANG?
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL
        GALING-GALING PALA NG DAGDAG-BAWAS
        AHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

    • txtman

      FACTS ABOUT THE FAKE SURVEY KONO

      972 (catholics daw) x 9.2% (thingking of leaving minsan daw) = 89 person
      1200 (ghost respondents) x 81% (catholics daw) = 972
      972 (catholics daw) x 1% (non-religious catholics daw) = 9.72 person
      9.72 (nonreligious RC) x 57.3% (thinking of leaving minsan daw)= 4.86 person
      SO ALL IN ALL ABOUT 9 PERSON LANG
      9 divided by 972 = 0.009 or 0.9 %
      LESS THAN 1% KA INGGO
      ANONG KLASENG STATISTICIAN YAN?
      ANO YAN GRADUATE SA UNIVERSITY OF RECTO?
      AHAHAHAHA
      NAGPAUTO NAMA KAYO AGAD?
      CLASSIC DAGDAG-BAWAS
      ELECTION NA NGA
      AHAHAHA
      SI GLORIA ARROYO PA BA PRESIDENTE NGAYON?
      PITIFUL
      AHAHAHAHA

      • txtman

        CLASSIC DAGDAG-BAWAS
        YUNG 9 DINAGDAGAN NG FIGURE # 8
        PARA MAGING 89
        ELECTION NA NGA!
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        DRY RUN PALA NG RESULTS NG ELECTION
        AHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • txtman

        YUNG LESS THAN 1%
        DINAGDAGAN NG FIGURE # 1
        PARA MAGING 1 OUT OF 11
        ELECTION NA NGA!
        DRY RUN DAW PALA NG RESULTS SA ELECTION
        WAG NA MAGTAKA
        DAGDAG-BAWAS IS COMING
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHAHA

    • PhilippineSalt

      Simplify.. I’ll simplify my response.
      1. To many priest-fathers – You give this credit to the pro-gay and pro-rh..these are infiltrators against the faith -these are your people
      2. Priest-pedophiles, rapists and homosexuals – Again, these are your people why are your relating them to the catholic church
      3. Priests driving top of the line vehicles and living in abundance while millions suffer from lack of food, clothing or shelter – Excuse me, Protestant Pastors have the most money in thier pockets. Protestant Pastors want the scape goat to be the Catholic Church… Again, Look around you.
      4. Priests owners and smugglers of icons made out of illegally poached animals – Really….. one out of many….so if Coca cola truck ran over a chicken then all Coca coal truck passing by the same route are also guilty of running over the chicken? even Pepsi cola truck is guilty too because they have the same lastname – cola….huh?
      5. Priests who pry into lives of people, rumormongers and government distabilizers, in short noisy priests like abishop cruz – He is telling the truth and how about you? NGO’s, Atheist, Politicians, UP Graduates just want the piece of the pie that the Catholic church has influence in…
      6. etc

      When the faithful absorbs and synthesize all the above news and information, these creates notions and or misconceptionss that the CHURCH IS NO LONGER RELEVANT!! – Please simplify

      Truly, we look up to priests as leaders of the faith. But when they indulge in petty gossip, i.e.Kris might be running for politics in 2016 (wow), or when they polarize, create animosity with people by playing sides in politics, putting up banners for team patay or buhay, these priests lose our respects!7 ….. Arent they telling you the truth.. Team Patay — really are what they believe in, so you want a sour candy to taste sweet, by covering it thru LAW….Blind BLIND Blind!!!

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      • Simplify1

        so, as far as you’re concerned, your priests are your priests and once they bear children, become gay or pedophile or homosexual, they suddenly become my people?? I wanted to respond some more but I just realized that you can’t understand stable and sound reasoning…. good luck

    • http://pulanglangaw.blogspot.com/ sapula saputi

      ok lang na mag alisan at wag nang magsimba yung simbang tambay lang ang ginagawa at di nilalagay sa perspektibo ang mga komento patungkol sa simbahan at mga pari. Puro mga propaganda lang ang binabasa na para bang yun ang majority at katotohanan. Maghuhulog ng barya sa koleksyon. at pagkatapos maninira pa. May mga pari naman talaga na nagkakamali at expected naman dahil tao lang sila. Pero yung mga tao na mismong sumisira sa mga pari pa mismo ang akala mo e sobrang taas ng standard nila sa pari kung makabato ng akusasyon sa kanila .At akala mo naman e personal talaga nilang nakita o kilala ang mga pari sa kanila para akusahan ng ganon. Kaya sa kin, kung maraming reklamo sa simbahan at wala rin naman ang puso sa pagsisimba, wag na lang magpunta dun. Maiwan na lang yung mga tunay na pumunta dun para manampalataya.

      • Simplify1

        Anong propaganda ang sinasabi mo? Basta ba may balitang may ni-rape na batang lalaki ng isang baklang pari ay hindi totoo? at pawang paninira lang sa simbahan? Pati na rin yung mga nagiging ama na pari ay hindi totoo at gawa gawa lang na propaganda? Hindi rin totoong may mga maraming pari na nahulihan ng pornographic na pictures?

        Ang punto nito ay hindi basta lang tungkol sa mga baklang pari or rapist na pari… Ang punto ay ano ang ginagawa ng simbahan para parusahin ang mga nagkasala sa taong bayan… Hustong parusa na lang ba na babayaran ng simbahan ang mga biktima at i-retire yung nagkasala na pari? Hustong parusa na ba ang ilipat ng ibang simbahan ang isang nagkasala na pari? Hindi bat dapat tanggalin sa ministro at kasuhan?

  • Ganymede

    Sa Basilan talagang jampacked ang Simbahan kasi lagi takot ang mga tao baka dukutin ng Abu Sayaf o kaya biglang may sumabog na bomba… sinong hindi magiging pala simba sa lugar na yun kung lagi kang nasa bingit ng kamatayan.

    • batmanlaijai

      baka maliit ang simbahan kaya puno…;))

  • Ganymede

    Syempre Holy Week talagang dagsa ang mga tao ta-nga! Ang pinag uusapan dito yun ordinary Sundays. Kung sa parish niyo marami pa ring nagsisimba e hindi naman ibig sabihin nun sa ibang parokya e marami din nagsisimba.

  • jinx

    Why can’t these bishops do a self-reflection, think for a minute that they might be the real cause of the problem? Instead of putting up an infallible, self-righteous, holier than thou and even sarcastic stance?

  • Danny Bravo

    for the roman catholics,,, muslim,,atheist, mormon,,jehova witness,, stop lying the people you cnt win and you are not belong to the christianity,,, your are all false.. if you are right… show here and right here the key of kingdom of the god,,, ang the fountain of youth and life if you are true allied of the god ?

  • Danny Bravo

    not the volume of believer is the measuremet that your rliligion are accepted of the god,, because you are no any key ,, to your hand,,

  • ajca82

    1992: (65M & .8) / 600K (Assuming only churches have masses) = 1083 people per church * .66 = 715 = 71 people per mass over 5 masses on saturdays and sundays.

    2013: (90M * .8) / 600K = roughly 1200 people per church * .43 = roughly 516 / 10 = 50 people per mass over 5 masses on saturdays and sundays.

    So yeah, basic numbers don’t add up to the priests’ observations though most of the given are from wiki and the assumption is that all churches conduct 5 masses each on saturdays and sundays (which is based on our local parish. I assume some churches may be less busy)

    • indiosbravos2002

      Even not to crunch numbers, the main fct that in 1992 a full house church can accomodate 100 people, yet come 2013, the parish still has 100 people coming in means that there is something wrong with the data. The fact that parishioners should have multiplied over time should mean more than 100 should ba actively attending the masses in 2013. Liikewise, new churches/parish should have mushroomed to accomodate new members of the church. Assuming rate of death from those born is 1= 2 per year.

  • w33k3nd3r

    But it’s true, Bishops! We can communicate and do other things in our Creator’s glory elsewhere than listen to your pointless narcissism every Sunday! You’re wasting our time when you keep yammering about politics and things you shouldn’t really delve into as lay men. You’re irrelevant as is.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>MANILA, Philippines—Even in Basilan, the churches are full.<<<

    INDEED, full……full of it!

    • txtman

      AHAHAHA
      MGA PINOY NGA NAMAN TALAGA
      DALING MAKALIMOT SA SABAH CASE
      SA CORRUPTION SA GOVERNMENT
      SA SMUGGLING ETC.
      EH, ANO NGAYON KUNG MAY NAG-IISIP NA MAGPALIT NG RELIGION?
      NATIONAL NEWS BA YAN?
      PROBLEMA BA YAN NG GOBYERNO?
      AHAHAHAHA
      PITIFUL

  • UrHONOR

    VIENNA—Austrian prosecutors on Tuesday charged a 79-year-old former priest of sexually abusing 15 students at a Benedictine monastery between 1973 and 1993

    ============================================

    priest franco decaminada stole 5.1 million dollars from a catholic hospital . he had been stealing the workers wages for months they went to the vatican for help but it refused so they went to the police. 1500 peoples wages for 8 months. the hospital is now insolvent, this was in rome. this week cnn joseph gallagher and mark gaspar are 2 of 26 priest suspended after 2011 grand jury investigation into archdiese handling of sex abuse allegations this happened in penns. usa Sun star apr. 2 2013

    • txtman

      SO, EH DI IKULONG NILA
      IN EVERY FAMILY MAY BLACKSHEEP
      OH, MAYROON KA PA BA SASABIHIN?
      BAKA NAMAN GUSTO MO IPUBLISHED LAHAT NG CASES NA GANYAN
      MAKE TO INCLUDE MGA ARTISTA AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
      PAPATOK YAN
      AHAHAHA
      PITIFUL

  • http://twitter.com/brixvillapando brix villapando

    paano kami gaganahang umatend ng misa e puro pag atake sa govt ang inaatupag nyo…pag atake sa RH…may powerpoint pa madalas…gaganahan ka ba niyan? Ganyan ba talaga ang mga pari now? Benggatibo? ANo natutunan nyo sa seminaryo?

    Ang misa ay laging nagmumukhang rally laban sa gobyerno! Tapos pag may kalamidad ayaw ipagamit ang simbahan!

  • Corrupt_Jerk

    Sooner it will happen because of Church scandals which involves priest and bishops.. they are the most greedy and worst people I’ve ever known they used the name of Christ for their negative acts. For example Arch. Cruz, the ex. priest who ran for governor in pampanga, bishop Juan de dios pueblos of Caraga, these kind of men don’t deserve to serve the church because they will going to demoralized the Church image. We catholic are less respect with these people.

    I hope and pray that this will stop as early as possible. Let us protect the image of Catholic Church who is in charge of keeping Christ name.

  • http://twitter.com/brixvillapando brix villapando

    Ginagawa nyo kasi na rally laban sa gobyerno ang mga misa ninyo with matching powerpoint presentation…sino ang gaganahan na magdasal at magsimba pag ganyan…..MGA PARI KAYO …HINDI MGA AKTIBISTA AT PULITIKO…..MGA PARI KAYO…MGA DAMASONG PARI NGA LANG!!!!! gUSTO NYONG MAKIALAM SA GOVT E DI MAG RESIGN KAU SA PAGPAPARI AT TUMAKBO KAYO SA EECTION….

    • http://pulanglangaw.blogspot.com/ sapula saputi

      kasi kung katoliko tayo, alam natin na ang katekismo ng simbahang katoliko ay kasama pati ang pamumuno ng bansa kaya karapatan ng simbahan na makialam dahil ang simbahan ay hindi lang ang mga pari kundi tayo ring mga myembro nito. Puro damaso, buti sana kung binasa talaga natin ang mga nobela ng bayani natin. At least alam sana natin kung sino talaga ang kontrabida sa nobela.

  • Pinaslover

    Dun sa parish namin dati konti lang nagsisimba tapos 2x lang ang mass pag sunday..pero ngayong laging full tapos 3x na ang mass. Nagtataka lang ako bakit tayong mga katoliko ang laging center ng attention. Bishop wag naman po kayo magbintang na si Pnoy ang may pakana..bad po yan. Wala naman pong ganung influence si Pnoy para diktahan ang aming mga kaisipan. Mas maganda po ata na magmahalan tayo at magdala ng kapayapaan sa mundo sa halip po na division.

  • indiosbravos2002

    I dont think yong puno na sinasabi ni Father ay magandang indication.
    Without crunching numbers or fancy computation, sabihin natin sa isangparish simula nong 1990, puno palagi simbahan. Come 2013, puno pa rin simbahan as observed by the parish priest. Pero we should take in consideratin din that population grew over time. Ang isang simbahan na napupuno ng 100 katao ng 1992 at napupuno pa rin ng 100 sa 2013 ay masasabing may mali sa data. Dapat doble or triple na ang parishioners in a span of 20 years. Di lang puno kung hindi parang LRT na during rush hour. Ilan lang ba ang namamatay sa isang taon? At ilan ang sinisilang na katoliko. Inckude the fact that there have been little to no increase in the number of parishes from the 90s to present implying no drastic increase in membership.

    • agaylaya

      Agree ako sa observation mo. Percentage wise bumaba nga ang nagsisimba every week. But in absolute terms, dahil tumaas nga ang population, parang puno pa rin ang mga simbahan. The church people should accept the fact that there is a decrease in the percentage of catholics going to church regularly. Then they should analyze why. Walang patutunguhan ang kanilang ginagawa kung nanatiling bulag sila sa katotohanan.

  • OleSapra aka ARGUS

    CURSILLISTA

    ANA: “Hindi ba matagal nang cursillista si Sir Leo at nagbibigay pa ng rollo sa 3-araw na mga paklase ng cursillo? Meron pa ba ngayong mga katoliko na nagsasagawa ng pa-cursillo?”

    LISA: “Ang Cursillo seminar (maikling kurso) eh nagmula sa Mallorca, Espana noong 1949 at lumaganap sa buong mundo. Dumating sa Pilipinas noong 1951 ang kaunaunahang paklase ng cursillo at ginanap ito sa Lipa, Batangas.”

    CION: “Puedeng ikumpara ang Cursillo noon sa Catholic Church ngayon. Ang pakiramdam ng mga namumuno sa bawat cursillo team eh gaya din ng mga paring namumuno sa bawat diocese. Pawang nakatungtong sa alapaap!!!”

  • Hey_Dudes

    Monginors, yung nakikita po ninyo ay yoon nasa loob ng simbahan. What about those outsdide of your comfort and no longer attending as reported?

  • UrHONOR

    VIENNA—Austrian prosecutors on Tuesday charged a 79-year-old former priest of sexually abusing 15 students at a Benedictine monastery between 1973 and 1993

    ============================================

    priest franco decaminada stole 5.1 million dollars from a catholic hospital . he had been stealing the workers wages for months they went to the vatican for help but it refused so they went to the police. 1500 peoples wages for 8 months. the hospital is now insolvent, this was in rome. this week cnn joseph gallagher and mark gaspar are 2 of 26 priest suspended after 2011 grand jury investigation into archdiese handling of sex abuse allegations this happened in penns. usa Sun star apr. 2 2013

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    “This so-called new
    religion is nothing but a pack of weird rituals and chants designed to
    take away the money of fools. Now let us say the lord’s prayer 40 times,
    but first let’s pass the collection plate.”

    – Rev. Lovejoy

  • agaylaya

    Archbishop Cruz, you have to accept the fact that there is a significant decrease in the percentage of Catholics going to mass every week. PNoy and his admin boys have nothing to do with that though they may have something to do with the series of negative news about the Church lately. In fact you seem to have fallen into their news spin and have portrayed you as the new Fr. Damaso.

  • disqusted0fu

    How evil is it for whoever is behind this plot to taint the image of the Catholic Church??? With this kind of demonizing and badmouthing using power and wealth, there’s only one group that comes into mind. And the priests may be right. These are exactly the techniques that the Aquino administration use to whoever they consider their opponents.

  • BatangSingapore

    pakana ni abnoy yan.

    kaya ako kahit nuon bata ako hindi na ako naniniwala sa abnoy. may sarili nga mundo ang abnoy diba.

  • foreignerph

    You can only “debunk” a properly conducted poll by another properly conducted poll, not just by saying it’s not true.

  • http://pulanglangaw.blogspot.com/ sapula saputi

    Sa kin, mas ok nang may 10 tao na lang na nagsisimba at nakikinig at nakikiisa ng tunay sa selebrasyon ng misa kesa sa 1000 tao na yung iba nakikipagdate lang, nakikipagkwentuhan, text ng text, atat na umalis kahit di pa tapos kahit late na dumating ng misa at pagkatapos magrereklamo ng kung ano ano sa simbahan at sa mga pari ng di man lang pinagiisipan ang sinasabi.

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