Bishops on Church survey: Unbelievable

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Disbelief.

This was the reaction of the communications chief of the Archdiocese of Manila and several Catholic bishops to a finding of a recent survey that there was a huge drop in the percentage of Filipinos going to Mass.

Peachy Yamsuan on Wednesday said the numbers in the Social Weather Stations (SWS) survey were unbelievable because parishes were continuously created, citing the dioceses of Antipolo, Malolos and Imus, to name a few.

“The diocese of Imus has more new parishes created in the past 10 years or so … which begs the question, ‘Why create parishes if the number of Mass-goers is dwindling?’” she said in a text message.

The survey that SWS conducted from Feb. 15 to 17 found that 37 percent of Filipino Catholics said they go to church every week, a huge decline from the 64 percent in 1991.

“That’s a huge drop [and] you would think several churches would have closed by now. Yet parishes are being created. And what to say about mall Masses? Practically all SM Malls have a place for those who want to hear Mass,” said Yamsuan. But she said her statement did not represent that of her office or of the Archdiocese of Manila.

Leaving Church, less devout

The SWS survey also found that 9.2 percent of Filipino Catholics were considering leaving the Church.

The survey noted that Filipino Catholics were less devout than those belonging to other denominations or religion. Twenty-nine percent of Catholics considered themselves very religious. The figure was 50 percent among Protestants, 43 percent among Iglesia ni Cristo members, 41 percent among those belonging to other Christian denominations and 38 percent among Muslims.

Carlos Celdran, a tour guide and reproductive health advocate, said on Tuesday that the survey findings showed that Filipinos were becoming “a critical people” and were “slowly choosing reason over religion.”

Celdran added that the “stubborn and obsolete thinking of Filipino bishops were turning them (Catholics) away.”

Yamsuan noted that some priests were celebrating six Masses every Sunday just to cope with scheduled Masses in their parish chapels.

Unacceptable

“So, can we accept the statistics without real evidence like an almost empty church on a Sunday or a parish church with only two Masses scheduled on a Sunday, except of course those out in the boondocks?” Yamsuan said.

Several Catholic bishops also aired the observation that Masses remained vibrant every Sunday in churches as well as in malls across the country.

‘Filled to capacity’

Jaro Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, former head of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, said all the Masses being held in the cathedral were “still filled to capacity.”

“The nine Masses in Jaro Cathedral are still filled to capacity. Priests maintain their Masses also in the barrios,” said Lagdameo, noting that this observation was the same in the 93 parishes of Jaro.

While there are those who stopped attending Sunday Mass, there have been new Catholics who have started to come to church regularly, he added. “So, it’s a matter of minus and plus.”

Msgr. Clemente Ignacio, rector of the Minor Basilica of the Black Nazarene or Quiapo Church, said Mass attendance had also been increasing in the church, not only on Fridays when the mulatto Christ is venerated with novena and holy Masses.

The number of people who observed the traditional Visita Iglesia last Holy Week also multiplied, the priest noted.

Vibrancy

“In Quiapo, Mass attendance has been increasing even during the last Visita Iglesia,” Ignacio said.

Marbel Bishop Dinualdo Gutierrez said in the 26 parishes of the capital of South Cotabato, more Catholics were attending Mass. “I have visited 17 parishes and the findings also show a vibrancy,” he said.

Cubao Bishop Honesto Ongtioco also said he had not seen a decline of Mass-goers in his diocese. “In fact, the number of churchgoers has increased because we have mall Masses,” the bishop said.

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  • patukar

    Sumasali kasi ang simbahan sa political derby kaya tuloy nasama kayo sa survey. Kung gusto ninyong sumali sa polical game at tapunan ng putik baka madumihan ang abito mahirap na baka di kayo
    makarating sa tamang daan papunta sa pulpito.Panahon ngaun ng kumpanya kailangan bumangon ang team panay na gusto ninyong malugmok.

    • El_Gran_Capitan

      Tama ka dyan at di ba may isang retired European Bishop ang nagsabi na ang teaching ng catholic church eh 200 years obsolete

      • txtman

        YES, WE CAN!
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA!
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAYY!
        BE PROUD CATHOLICS
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        IT IS ABOUT TIME TO BE HEARD
        AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        you show how smart you are by ranting over and over again the same tripe

      • txtman

        UUUYYYYYYYY!
        NAGSASALITANG KABAYO?
        WOW!
        PWEDE KANG PANGPERYA
        KAYA PALA FUNNY YANG PINAGSASABI MO
        AHIHIHIHIHIHIHI
        PITIFUL

      • Crazy_horse101010

        hurt your little feelers pitiful haw haw haw

      • http://www.facebook.com/pinoy.atheista.5 Pinoy Atheista

        You are demonstrating the “god is love” teaching of your church very well.

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        lets see in the election, catholic church – so greedy

      • AntiAko

        Be proud Catholics

        Catholics are smart – that is why we are so backward as a country

        Catholics are good people – that is why crime is rampant and our streets are not safe

        Catholics are beautiful – oo nga, kaya nga ang daming foreigners who come her for s*x

      • Allen Douglas

        Catholics are smart – that is why we are so backward as a country? Trabaho ba ng simbahan ang pagpapalago ng pinas?

        Catholics are good people – that is why crime is rampant and our streets are not safe? And you blame these crimes to the Catholic Church? Tinuturo ba ng simbahan na pumatay ng tao?

        Catholics are beautiful – oo nga, kaya nga ang daming foreigners who come her for s*x? Kahit KALIBUGAN ni uncle Sam, simbahan pa rin ang may kasalanan?

        Are you Born Against or are you an Atheist?

      • AntiAko

        The Philippines is what the Catholics make it dahil sila naman ang majority ng mga Pilipino.

        And please don’t mention Born AGAINST. These people oftentimes have deeper and closer relationships with the Lord than most Catholics.

      • Allen Douglas

        Again, itinuturo ba ng simbahan ang pagiging korap at pumatay?

        Sorry, but Born AGAINSTS ARE BORN AGAINSTS, they have nothing good to say about US Catholics.

      • AntiAko

        Yun nga ang ipinagtataka ko eh: di ba tinuturuan kayo ng simbahan nyo na wag maging korap at pumatay eh bakit ginagawa pa rin ng mga katoliko yan? the country is so corrupt because it is run by catholics who obviously are corrupt. the culture of corruption is also propagated by the general population which is majority catholics. If, indeed, catholics are not corrupt and do not commit crimes BECAUSE IT IS TAUGHT TO YOU BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, then why are we so mired in corruption and crime?

        GMA is the best example. She is a devout catholic yet …….

      • Josef Hernandez

        walang obsolete sa turo ng Simbahan. Tinuturo ng Simbahan na may kaluluwa ka na dapat nilang gabayan tungo sa Diyos. Obsolete un? O naniniwala kang wala kang kaluluwa? Name who the Bishop is and determine what kind of ministry he had. Again, kung anu man ang statement nya hindi yun ang statement ng buong simbahan. If he’s a pope… baka pa maging official stand ng simbahan un…

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        sigurado ka ba na tama ang tinuturo ng simbahang katoliko? alam mo ba ang history ng simbahang katoliko?

      • Josef Hernandez

        i’m a theologian yes… i’ve studied almost everything about it… Church history… ancient, medieval, modern…. vatican i to 2… and philippine church history… alam ko ang nging pgkkmali ng simbhan… She learns in time… i could be certain… only with faith… kung hndi k mnnmpaltaya dude wlang relihiyon ang bagay sago… number 1 kc un…. do not trust much ur reason… palyado ang utak ng tao… we are left with certain truths wg tayong mgmarunong para baliin un…

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        why don’t you read the book of edward gibbon

      • Josef Hernandez

        aw yes. that was anti-religion… hehe… not everything written there is accurate…

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        kasi bulag ka sa katotohanan at alipin ka ng kadiliman mga damasos

      • Josef Hernandez

        I find the things I believe in rational… :P kung totoo man any nabasa mo dun? anung gusto mong mangyari? hindi ka ba nagkakamali? are you not a sinner like us too? it was not even phenomenological on your part…baka ikaw ang bulag sa sobrang liwanag ng nakikita mo! alam mong parepareho ang tao kaya wala kang karapatang husgahan ang simbahan! akala mo kung sining pinagmulan ng katotohanan. I see goodness beyond what you see.

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        ano na ang nangyari sa turo ninyo tungkol sa “limbo”?

      • Josef Hernandez

        the Church never claimed that limbo exists… haha! the Church never taught of limbo – they are only products of theological opinions made by theologians LOL… wala namang decree na nagsabing dogma ang limbo!!!!!

    • txtman

      SO PARA SA INYO
      PAGMAY CORRUPTION- AMEN KA NA LANG?
      PAG MAY IMMORALITIES- AMEN KA NA LANG?
      AHAHAHA
      PITIFUL

      • nes911

        Ganyan ang mga obispo at pareng katoliko.

      • txtman

        KUNG MATATAG PANINIWALA MO SA DIYOS
        TAKOT SA IYO MGA DEMONYO LIKE YOU
        BAKIT KAYA GALIT SILA SA CATHOLIC CHURCH?
        KASI NGA MGA SAME-SEX, PRO-ABORTION MGA YAN
        MALIBAN PA MGA LADPOGS NG MGA CORRUPT OFFICIALS
        PWE
        PITIFUL

      • Josef Hernandez

        kapag sinabi ko bang tanga ang lahat ng Filipino payag ka?

      • motorcyclemama

        Pag may nangmolestya na pari, yes ka lang?
        Pag may paring smuggler ng ivory, amen ka lang?
        HYPOCRITE!

      • txtman

        SINABI KO BANG YES AKO?
        KUNG MAY ALAM KA MANYAK
        MAGREPORT KA
        HIRAP SA IYO, PURO NGAWA LANG YANG BUNGANGA MO
        PALIBHASA SAME SEX & PRO-ABORTION LOVER KA
        MALIBAN PA SA ISA KANG ATHEIST/LEFTIST
        PWE
        PITIFFUL

      • rico_mambo

        tell that to your leaders in church who condoned such heinous acts. they hid their pedo priests and did not report to the authorities. what a bunch of hypocrites! what kind of moral propaganda are these folks pushing?

    • Johannes Arthuremus

      Bugok ka rin pala Kung wala ang katoliko walang EDSa 1 2 3 100, asahan mo ba si manalo kiboloy o mga pastor mo! Walang laman mga utak Niyan kundi magpayaman alam Lang ikapo,

    • Josef Hernandez

      Hey people! The bishops when they talk about political matters, they speak out also as Filipino citizens. Hindi ba karapatan din nilang magsalita freely? Ang mga obispo naman ay sakop din ng constitution ah.. Pnapractice lang din nila ang freedom of speech nila. Well kung nagbanta sila to use ecclesiastical power and use the catholic teachings like saying all candidates who go against them ay mapupunta sa impyerno dun na kayo magreklamo, that was Middle Ages pa… Hindi nauunawaan ng madami ang separation of CHurch and State… Remember na ang mga nasa simbahan ay sakop ng civil laws that the state has. The rights na meron ang isang Filipino meron din ang mga Obispo! The Church is learning! Hindi ito oppressive. The bishops and priests are also sinners like us, they are not angels… but they are the type of sinners striving to fight for what is GOOD. And the same is expected from us. The political game you are mentioning is a conventional politics… hindi ganyan ang pulitika… ang nangyyari ngayon ay HANAP BUHAY…. They invest sa pagtakbo, then babawiin nila yan pag naka upo na. that is not the true nature of politics…. yes, i think it’s just a derby…. Team Patay is not an official declaration of the Catholic Church against the pro-rh candidates… they are opinions based on the dictates of the conscience…

      • rico_mambo

        how convenient. they have the right to say whatever they want under the guise of freedom speech and yet they do not pay taxes despite of the RCC’s immense wealth.

      • Josef Hernandez

        so are you suggesting that they form their own government within a government? tax na lang ba ngayon ang batayan kung pwede kang magsalita ng may kalayaan o hindi. does that make u less as a Filipino? hindi nyo naman naiinitndihan kung saan napupunta ang collections ng simbahan… and besides dadating din naman yung time that they will pay taxes na din. watch how Pnoy will do it…

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. Since when was SWS and Pulse Asia believable? These are surveys for the “highest bidder”

    This news is just coming out because it is Election time and some sectors and politicians are afraid of the awesome influence of the Catholic Vote.

    Obviously if there is no Catholic Vote to be concerned of, inquirer will not publish this article. He-he-he.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYYYY!
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN!

    • speaksoftlylove

      That is precisely the point. Kung walang Catholic Vote bakit nininebyos ang mga Team Malisya na kabilang sa Team Patay? Bakit pinapaalis nila yong tarpaulin ng na listahan ng mgaTeam Patay sa mga Simbahan? Bakit nagsusurvey si Mahal Mang Ahas? Anong mahihita niya sa kanyang survey kung walang nagbabayad sa kanya ng limpak limpak na salapi?. Sinong makikinabang sa kanyang lutong makaw na survey kundi yong mga intsik sa palasyo na mahilig sa lugaw at pasimuno ng RH Law?

      Mga intuile talaga dahil di nila alam na ang kanilang reaksyon mismo ang nagpapatunay na nanginginig sila sa takot sa pwersa ng Simbahang Katoliko.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      again how come you believe the polls that favor the church cant have it both ways. there was one of the their polls in the cebu papers this week saying how many votes the church was going to get in the election something like 6 million another lying poll?

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. I don’t believe those polls no matter who they favor.

  • http://twitter.com/talaratan Don Arellano

    “Unbelievable” said the Bishops; Living la vida loca says Ricky!

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      HEP! HEP! HURRAYYY!
      CATHOLIC VOTE NOW NA!
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      AMEN!

  • SMEjhong

    Illuminati!

    • Josef Hernandez

      ano ang illuminati? explain it.

  • kulittwit

    Totoo ang survey. sa neighborhood naming walo ang bahay na magkalapit na lahat katoliko ang may ari. napapansin ko kaming tatlong pamilya lang ang parating nagsisimba tuwing linggo. yong iba minsan lang kapag may mga okasyon kagaya ng fiesta, pasko, bagong taon, birthday, anniversary, kwaresma, kasal, binyag o libing.

    kayo mga bloggers, try to observe in your own neighborhhod and you will find out yourself.

    • rodben

      Hindi siguro nagbayad ng 2M ang simbahan anyway mayaman naman ang simbahan di ba?…kong para sa SWS totoo ito siguro marami na ngayon ang lumipat kay SATANAS lalo na mga politico para palaging panalo para may pambabae at pang casino..pang sosyalan naman kong babae..

      • txtman

        BE PROUD TO BE CATHOLIC
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        IT IS ABOUT TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
        CATHOLIC VOTE, NOW NA!
        AMEN!

      • rolando mendoza

        inmates at the various cells in the country as well as corrupt government officials are catholics too.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        in prison in america its priests and bishops who are in prison for raping children or protecting baby rapers

      • txtman

        AHAHAHAHA
        BALIW KA NA NGA
        DELUSIONS TO THE MAX
        THERE ARE MORE THAN 400,000 SEX OFFENDERS SA AMERIKA
        WOW! GALING MONG MAGBILANG
        AHAHAHAHA
        INENG, IN ALL FAMILIES MAY BLACKSHEEP
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHAHA

      • Crazy_horse101010

        yes and 399990 of them were priests pitful one you not convincing very many people pathetic one

      • txtman

        ETO MODUS OPERANDI NG MGA SAME SEX, PRO-ABORTION ADVOCATES
        INFILTRATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
        PARA SIRAIN
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHA

      • Josef Hernandez

        tama…

      • txtman

        IS THAT SO?
        BAKIT HINDI KA TUMAKBO?
        PALIBHASA ISA KANG CLOSET QUEEN
        SAME SEX, ABORTION LOVER
        USE YOUR BRAIN
        GALING KA PA MANDIN SA UP
        SHAME
        AHIHIHIHIHIHI
        PITIFUL

      • AntiAko

        Judgment is not for you to make! Ganyan ba mag-isip ang isang katoliko?

      • Allen Douglas

        ganyan mag-isip kung kagaya mo ang kausap…..

      • AntiAko

        Ay, PIKON?! Hahahahaha

        Pabago-bago pala ang prinsipyo mo sa buhay depende sa kausap…tsk tsk tsk. Ganyang-ganyan din ang ang nangyari sa prinsipyo ng mga mitsubishops nung binigyan na ni Gloria ng mga sasakyan. Well, what can i say? You really are a loyal subject.

      • Josef Hernandez

        If you’re referring to Pajero7 n bnigay na titulo sa Bishops better check your facts… baka mali eh nakakahiya ka… it was not against the law because it was a donation… magbasa ka nga ng mga naging takbo ng kasong un! Pinatawag pa ang mga obispo sa senado tapos biglang binawi ni juice ang reports nya. anak ng tinapa naman oh oh… magbasa ka nga!

      • AntiAko

        Just because it was legal doesn’t make it moral. Pork barrel is legal but is not moral. The amount given by Enrile last Christmas was legal but is not moral. I think this is where your problem lies: you cannot see immorality even if it stares you in the face as long as it is legal.

        Receiving the Pajeros may have been legal but it came with a price. Nung pinasakan na ng Pajeros ang bibig ng mga Bishops mo, eh hindi na rin sila makapagsalita against the immoralities and improprieties done by Gloria and her administration.

      • Josef Hernandez

        anak ng tipaklong! wala namang pajero!!! baka mapahiya ka sa sinasabi mo! magbasa ka ng articles sa dyaryo! ginamit sa mabuti ang mga bulok na sasakyang naibigay sa mga obispo! at alam mo bang gusto ng mga senador ibalik ung mga sasakyan na yun sa mga obispo! because of the false accusations!?????? anak ng tinapa! pinagkaguluhan na nila yan…. nung bawiin ni Juico ang statement nya… walang Pajero!!!! hahahaha!

      • Josef Hernandez

        magbasa ka kung paano naisara ang kaso…. ang lumabas na kahiyahiya ay ang PCSO!!! bakit? dahil binansagang Pajero 7 ang mga obispo! e wala namang Pajero! nagtanong tuloy ang mga senador noon… “Sinong ba nagsabing Pajero?” ayun nalaman na nagsinungaling si Mrs. Juico!!!!

      • AntiAko

        Hindi naman kasi Pajero natanggap nila pero ibang klase. Stop kidding yourself.

      • Josef Hernandez

        haha sabi mo pajero? stop kidding yourself hahahahahaha! your pemise says not all legal is moral…. e di wag ipasa yang RH! hahahaha PRO ka… tama? hahahah eat your words….

      • Allen Douglas

        di ba nag “I AM SORRY” na si Juico for the wrong accusation? Well, what can I say? You don’t exactly know your subject.

      • rico_mambo

        a bad catholic, maybe. someone who has a master’s degree in hypocrisy and a suspended belief in reality. hehehe.

      • Harold T

        The answer is Yes

      • Josef Hernandez

        The Catholic Church is composed of both sinners and saints. If you are Catholic which type are you then? That is the question. Laging may mabuti at banal… yun ang mas mahalaga…

      • Allen Douglas

        common sense, it’s because majority of Filipinos are Catholic…..duh

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        sus eh uso nga sa mga pari ang sexual abuse eh, pano mo masasabi na alagad ng diyos yan mga yan eh maniakis din. Yun iba maaring lumipat na sa tunay na simbahan ng diyos at namulat na sa pagkakakabulag at pang aalipin ng simbahang katoliko

      • Allen Douglas

        and BORN AGAINSTS are supposed to be the “tunay na simbahan”? Nah, I don’t trust quiboloy, manalo, villanueva, soriano and the likes….

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        who trust the catholic church nowaday, go to progressive countries and you see how empty their churches normally because di na sila alipin ng mga damasos

      • Allen Douglas

        who trust Catholics nowadays? Bilangin mo kung ilang BILLION ang Katoliko sa buong mundo….duh

      • Josef Hernandez

        alin ang tunay na simbahan ng Diyos? saan walang makasalanang ministro? saan ituro mo at sasama ako…. mga anghel sa lupa ang hinahanap mo tsk… requirement sa isang alagad ng Diyos ang pagiging makasalanan at imperpekto… dahil kung perpekto ka na hindi mo na kailangan sumunod sa Diyos para maging alagad… kung perpektong mga tao ang hinahanap mo… parang sinabi mo na din na sana ay wala na lang relihiyon at sana bumaba na agad ang Diyos dito dahil walang karapatdapat!!!… pangaalipin? sobra ka naman kala mo naman ay kung sino kang makabayan, may inalipin na ang simbahan? ang kitid… makitid ka kapatid…

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      IT IS ABOUT TIME TI DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      CATHOLIC VOTE
      AMEN!

      • AntiAko

        What Catholic vote? Are you delusional or what?

      • Allen Douglas

        and why not? Say YES TO ONE CATHOLIC VOTE!!! I’m starting the campaign in my own family and friends…

      • AntiAko

        Good luck on that…

      • Allen Douglas

        with a 95/100 success rate, i’m having the best of luck, don’t worry….

      • AntiAko

        Asus at naniwala ka naman kaagad. Aagree sila siyempre, friends and family mo yan eh. Ayaw nilang masaktan ka lalo na’t napaka-emotional mo sa issue.

      • Harold T

        There is no such thing as a catholic vote

    • Johannes Arthuremus

      Isa ka na sa nominal seasonal kbl na katok liko!

    • Josef Hernandez

      well dito sa amin madaming sumisimba…

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        marami palang nagoyo sa inyo

      • Allen Douglas

        81% of Pinas nagoyo? Good na hindi simbahan mo ang nang goyo!!!

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        wala akong simbahan. agnostic ako.

      • Allen Douglas

        well, im glad kunti lang ang “nagoyo” of your being agnostic….

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        XX wrong again. walang nagoyong agnostic… we are very skeptical of almost everything… i don’t even commit myself about being agnostic. if there is any evidence that there is a god then i will readily change my mind.

      • Josef Hernandez

        haha so do not join any conversation, because you only contradict yourself by being skeptic of almost everything even the ones you are saying right now. Here read some academic proofs…

        First Way: The Argument From Motion

        St. Thomas Aquinas, studying the works of the Greek philsopher Aristotle, concluded from common observation that an object that is in motion (e.g. the planets, a rolling stone) is put in motion by some other object or force. From this, Aquinas believes that ultimately there must have been an UNMOVED MOVER (GOD) who first put things in motion. Follow the agrument this way:

        1) Nothing can move itself.

        2) If every object in motion had a mover, then the first object in motion needed a mover.

        3) This first mover is the Unmoved Mover, called God.

        Second Way: Causation Of Existence

        This Way deals with the issue of existence. Aquinas concluded that common sense observation tells us that no object creates itself. In other words, some previous object had to create it. Aquinas believed that ultimately there must have been an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE (GOD) who began the chain of existence for all things. Follow the agrument this way:

        1) There exists things that are caused (created) by other things.

        2) Nothing can be the cause of itself (nothing can create itself.)

        3) There can not be an endless string of objects causing other objects to exist.

        4) Therefore, ther must be an uncaused first cause called God.

        Third Way: Contingent and Neccessary Objects

        This Way defines two types of objects in the universe: contingent beings and necessary beings. A contingent being is an object that can not exist without a necessary being causing its existence. Aquinas believed that the existence of contingent beings would ultimately neccesitate a being which must exist for all of the contingent beings to exist. This being, called a necessary being, is what we call God. Follow the argument this way:

        1) Contingent beings are caused.

        2) Not every being can be contingent.

        3) There must exist a being which is necessary to cause contingent beings.

        4) This necessary being is God.

        Fourth Way: The Agrument From Degrees And Perfection

        St. Thomas formulated this Way from a very interesting observation about the qualities of things. For example one may say that of two marble scultures one is more beautiful than the other. So for these two objects, one has a greater degree of beauty than the next. This is referred to as degrees or gradation of a quality. From this fact Aquinas concluded that for any given quality (e.g. goodness, beauty, knowledge) there must be an perfect standard by which all such qualities are measured. These perfections are contained in God.

        Fifth Way: The Agrument From Intelligent Design

        The final Way that St. Thomas Aquinas speaks of has to do with the observable universe and the order of nature. Aquinas states that common sense tells us that the universe works in such a way, that one can conclude that is was designed by an intelligent designer, God. In other words, all physical laws and the order of nature and life were designed and ordered by God, the intellgent designer.

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        these are the arguments made by a man in the medieval ages whose view of the cosmos is very different from what we observed today. i took into account what the medieval guy probably had in mind and what the modern christian apologists are saying. your arguments are not academic proofs, they are the silly philosophical arguments of a medieval man.

        the argument from motion (the prime mover argument)

        we know that something moved when it changes location, so motion is relative to space. to determine something has moved, we must determine its initial location or reference and its final location. what if there is no fixed initial location or final location? what if space is expanding, as in the big bang, what will be the reference? as far as we know, the entire universe is still in motion caused by the big bang. modern christian apologists postulated that a god, the prime mover, made the big bang happened. but the truth is they don’t know and we don’t know. and just because science cannot answer it yet means that “god did it”…. this type of argumentation is what we call the “god of the gaps”… it begs the question what is the evidence that god did it.

        aquinas wouldn’t know of the big bang so probably his reference is the planet earth. the first premise is not true since there are particles that move on their own without applying the fundamental physical forces on them. some proton “mimic” the behavior of another proton and they are even considerable distant apart. we call that phenomenon “strange entanglement”.

        the argument from causation (kalam’s cosmological argument)

        the problem with this argument is determining what exactly is “nothing”. a vacuum or space is not nothing. space exhibits the property of a fabric. it can be folded, dented, and it can ripple. some modern apologists postulated that “nothing” means the absence of matter, space and time. again we cannot observe it so how can we know that type of nothing exists. the uncaused cause is an oxymoron. why stop at that? can we not asked where did your god came from or who created your god? if you cannot answer that then why not save that step and just say that the universe is all there is. we can observe the universe, but we cannot observe god.

        aquinas wouldn’t know about the property of space so he probably means the absence of matter. the premise that matter cannot create itself is not true… we observed that particles popping into existence and disappearing into non-existence… by-products of the “casmir effect.”

        the argument of necessary things and contingent things (the purpose argument)

        the argument is quite loaded, since we don’t categorize things as necessary and contingent. is matter and space contingent? so what are their cause? what about time, which is man’s construct. is it contingent? so what is its cause? how about cyberspace? your guess is as good as mine.

        aquinas doesn’t have these ideas. btw, does god exists in the internet?

        the argument from degrees and perfection ( what does it have to do with proving god’s existence?)

        the argument is based on arbitrary things which are very subjective. there is no universal standard on goodness, beauty or knowledge… and seeing goodness, beauty or knowledge in whatever degree is not an argument for god’s existence.

        the argument from intelligent design (the watchmaker argument)

        this argument is the funniest (you never heard of the kitzmiller-dover trial?). the problem again with this argument is defining what exactly is “intelligent” and what is a “design”. so, what kind of intelligence are we going to use to determine if something is designed or not? obviously, you are referring the accumulated knowledge of man (philosophy? sciences?)… basing on our human understanding, the universe is not intelligently designed. how can a loving god put earth in a shooting gallery, where zooming asteroids, comets and all that space debris can cause havoc upon us? never mind the fragmented tectonic plates that causes tsunamis and earthquakes, never mind the fragile gas composition of the atmosphere that causes extreme weather like hurricanes and tornadoes… man will survive that… what happens when we are hit by a massive solar flare, or when a wandering black hole or a neutron star suddenly approaches the solar system? is your god sadist?

        aquinas is wrong when he thought that the universe operate in our so-called common senses. the medieval concept of the universe is like a series of nested spheres, where earth is at the center and it is covered by the spheres of the planets… infusing the religious dogma on it, hell is placed below the ground and heaven is beyond the stars nailed to a dome. just like in dante’s divine comedy…. of course, they got it wrong. the universe is much beautiful and wonderful than that.

        “haha so do not join any conversation, because you only contradict yourself by being skeptic of almost everything even the ones you are saying right now. ” <— reading comprehension problem? i didn't say that i am skeptic of what i'm saying … i am skeptic about the my own agnostic status. as an agnostic, i don't deal with absolutes, i always carry some degree of uncertainty… unlike atheists who are so sure that there is no god.

      • Josef Hernandez

        we are very skeptical of almost everything…. well what you’re saying is part of “everything” that exists either real or logical expressed in terms. so i’m a bit skeptic too about your argument against the five ways of st. thomas… he’s far too brilliant than you… just accept that the five ways are true :) kahit gaano pa kadami ang alam mo sa physics kapag tinanong ka “saan galing ang mga bagay na nandito san sa big bang? what caused the big bang? ha?” wala ka na maiisagot well perhaps your science is incomplete without you answering that single question… where did it come from? sagutin mo nga using your big brain?

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        what? no counter-arguments? no intellectual scholarly academic “proofs”? you ran out of ammunition? why don’t you try william lane craig’s arguments… ha ha ha.

        silly. i just debunked thomas aquinas’ arguments, using quantum physics. his brilliance only lasted in the middle ages, which apparently where you stuck your mind set. we are now in the 21st century. live with it.

        yes, science is incomplete, that’s why scientists still keep their jobs, there’s a lot of wonderful things out there waiting to be discovered and it would be disingenuous to stop at “god did it”… still science is far more superior than your dogmas.. science works, dogmas don’t. the very fact that you are using the product of science, internet and the computer devices, gives more credibility to science than your dogmas… if you cannot refute my counter-arguments…stfu.

      • Josef Hernandez

        “silly. i just debunked thomas aquinas’ arguments, using quantum physics. his brilliance only lasted in the middle ages, which apparently where you stuck your mind set. we are now in the 21st century. live with it.” hahaha hindi ibigsabhin bago ay tama na haha! I pity you who only rely on science… After your death, you’ll just under go decomposition and nothing else NO ETERNAL LIFE just become a fertilizer hahahaha! tsk God is the beginning and the end haha I’m so sorry for you… you do not even know your beginning and even your end….hahaha… after you die science could not make you happy… you’ll die questioning things hahaha! kahit pa gaano ka kagaling, kulang at kulang paring :P….

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        yes, i can proudly say that i rely on science and not on what the theologians say. science works, dogmas don’t. no, we will not be unhappy even if we failed to find answers for all the questions bugging us knowing that there will be generations after us who will continue to find for answers from where we left. isn’t that more wonderful than the boredom of heaven?

      • Allen Douglas

        same here, our church is still FULL to the rafters…

        I think this fake survey is part of govt propaganda to discredit the Catholic Church who has been very vocal about its disagreement on many issues.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Among…….maghugas po kayo ng inyong mata dahil sa muta hindi ninyo makita maraming na ang Filipino ang buisit na busit sa pakiki-alam sa politika? Meron pa kayong team buhay – team patay? Magbago na kayo bago tuluyang kayo kayo na lamang mga pari ang matitira sa simbahan.

    • mhertz

      The legitimate separation of Church and State cannot be taken to mean that the Church must be silent on certain issues, nor that the State may choose not to engage, or be engaged by, the voices of committed believers in determining the values which will shape the future of the nation.-Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI

      • askal2u

        so why are the bishops so silent about those Filipino priests who commit heinous crime of rape and pedophile and even let them stay? Here are their names: Moises Alexis C. Javier, Cristobal Garcia, Manuel Perez Maramba, Santiago Tamayo– all pedophiles and Garcia is an elephant tusk (ivory) smuggler.

      • txtman

        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAYY!
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
        AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        no what they do is punish the whistle blowers like the ones south of cebu who caught the priest having sex on the alter. their children werent allowed on church property ans they were refused communion. to find out the reason he was there was because it had done it before somewhere else and the morals committee who was supposed to watch him and another priest who was messing around with boys were more concerned about building a pistol range. this was in the cebu papers last year

      • txtman

        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        STAY FOCUS
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        STOP CORRUPTION
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
        AMEN

      • txtman

        EH, DI IKULONG NINYO
        GAWIN MO MAGWITNESS KA HA
        OTHERWISE, WALA KANG BAYAG
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • Crazy_horse101010

        pathetic and pitiful hypocrite

    • txtman

      AHAHAHAHA
      SO, KUNG MAY CORRUPTION – AMEN KA NA LANG?
      KUNG MAY IMMORALIDAD- AMEN KA NA LANG?
      INENG, SPIRITUAL & SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY MAGKADUGTONG YAN
      PITIFUL

  • gisingpinas

    PASIMUNO NG SURVEY SIEMPRE MEMBER NG TEAM PATAY

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS!
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      MASKI 10% LANG WINNER NA!
      MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN!

      • Mr Moonlight

        keeper and defender my butttttttttttt

      • txtman

        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        YOU ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        YOU ARE SMART
        YOU LOVE GOD
        YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL
        IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
        HINDI NA PWEDENG MAGING MARTIR
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAYYYY!
        AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        EXTREMELY PITIFUL YOUR RAMBLINGS WHO CARES

      • Mr Moonlight

        keeper and defender my butt

      • txtman

        STAND HIGH CATHOLICS
        MABUHAY ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH
        THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
        AMEN!
        MGA SAME SEX, PRO-ABORTION LANG ANG GALIT
        AHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

  • DonQuixoteDeRizal

    If the bishops are telling the truth that more Catholics are attending mass than ever. One way of confirming it is by declaring and comparing Sunday collections against previous years. I hope it is not confidential information. The logic is the more attendees the more collections.

    • Dax Cogitlog

      More Profit !!! not Prophet!!

      • txtman

        KAYA PALA DUMADAMI KAYO ANO?
        AHAAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

    • txtman

      AHAHAHAHA
      HAVE YOU WATCHED KUNG ILAN ANG NAGBIBIGAY NG DONASYON?
      NOT UNLIKE SA INK, NA SAPILTAN YANG 10% MO
      SA CATHOLICS SABI NGA NI JESUS, KUNG ANO BUKAL SA KALOOBAN MO
      GETS MO ANG LOGIC?
      MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN!

  • Dax Cogitlog

    Church? A Prophet (Profit) organization.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      MASKI 10% LANG WINNER NA
      MABUHAY ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN

    • Josef Hernandez

      luma na yan…

  • Dax Cogitlog

    The most heinous and and the most cruel crimes of the history ever recorded have been committed under the cover of religion….think of it!

    • txtman

      STAND HIGH CATHOLICS
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAY
      IT IS TIME TO UNITE TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      IT IS TIME TO FIGHT BACK
      AMEN

  • Drit Ranola

    Let the Church suspend her judgment, assume it is true, try to find why it can be true. (Consider: why there is a growth in the pentecostal churches?) This is a positive way to find the grain of truth it has, and thereby she can do something positive about it. As it is the reaction of the Church sounds defensive.

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAY!
      BE PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      IT IS TIME TO UNITE
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN!

  • Kalapok

    pwede rin namang totoo. kaya dagdagan pa natin ang catholic vote!!

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAY!
      AMEN!

  • Concur_Dissent

    The growth of catholic membership and those additional churches is a result of the population increase, precisely what the church wants in order to be more profitable… now we know why those priests are really against the RH bill

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAY!
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      CATHOLIC VOTES, NOW NA
      GO! GO! GO!
      AMEN

    • Josef Hernandez

      May pondong malaki sa RH Law… Bilyong dolyar… mas malaki siguro un sa koleksyon sa simbahan. sino kayang nagagahaman? hmmmmm

      • taga_ilog

        are you serious? ang pondo ng rh mas malaki sa koleksyon ng simbahan?

      • Josef Hernandez

        in the philippines? well i think yes kc ung collection dito sa philippines nababwasan pa ng malaki kc snusubmit sa rome…

      • Josef Hernandez

        part ng collection dito sa philippines napupunta sa rome… so mas maliit ang para dito sa local church

  • Fancy Tan

    Totoo ang survey, but that doesnt mean na they are turning their back sa church. Its only because hindi sapilitan ang pagpunta sa church. Hindi tulad sa ibang religion na it is a “MUST” or else tiwalag ka or may multa.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES IS BORN
      MASKI 10% LANG YAN
      COMPARED SA LESS THAN 1% NG INK?
      IT IS TIME TO DO OUR OBLIGATION
      FIGHT OUR FAITH IN GOD
      AMEN!

  • askal2u

    mga Kotokliko talaga mga rapist at pedophile na mga baklang obispo at pari na mga to. sige wag nyo akong bigyan ng komonyon dahil tinira ko kayo, he he tumiwalag na ako sa bulok na simbahan nyo

    • dabianang_payat

      ay salamat umalis ka, wag ka na babalik ha… di ka na tatanggapin

      • askal2u

        talaga di ko na kayo tatanggapin kasi pati mga rebolto na bato o kahoy sinasamba nyo, mali yan sa unang dalawang sampong utos kung marunong kang magbasa ng bibliya

      • txtman

        STAND HIGH CATHOLICS
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        IT IS TIME TO UNITE
        CATHOLIC VOTE, NOW NA!
        DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
        AMEN!

      • Josef Hernandez

        Icons and idols are different. Icons are the images we use for us to be reminded constantly of what our lives as Christian should be. Ang mga imahe sa simbahan ay simbolo ng pagkilala at pagmamahal namin sa mga taong nirerepresent nila. Simple lang ito para maintindhihan m… may picture ka ba ng nanay mo? ng kamaganak m? nakaframe pa dba? pero hindi naman ung picture ay ang nanay mo dba? pero iniingatan mo kc may pagmamahal ka at respeto sa kanila… ganun din… ang imahe ng mga santo ay paalala ng kanilang naging buhay… kalugodlugod sa Diyos… we ask their intercession… because they have died in friendship with God… simple…. wooden idols separate you from the worship of the real GOD! but these icons don’t… they can be of help to faithful to be more closer to God

      • askal2u

        Exodus 20:3-6 ESV / 163 helpful votes

        “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        oo pero di mo dapat dasalan o luhoran kasi di sila Dyos, saka bat umitim si Jesus Christ sa Quiapo. o ayan basahin mo sa Bible

      • Josef Hernandez

        woah… exegesis ka pala e… literal na literal ah… kapatid pakibasa nga sa bibliya kung ano ang yari ng Ark of the Covenant…

      • askal2u

        saan sa Bible na sinasabi na mga santo pwedeng magintercede, eh si mismong Jesus Christ nagsabi na sya lang ang tanging daan na papunta sa Ama, hindi mga santo o si marya, o mga papa at pari. saka pano mo alam mukha ng mga santo kagaya ni kalungsod ni wala naman litrato o painting nung panahon na nabuhay sila. at mga icons, images din yan na sinasamba ng mga katoliko

      • Josef Hernandez

        Dude..
        “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:5).

        But asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator. First, Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because he is the only person who is both God and man. He is the only bridge between the two, the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us. Furthermore, Christ is a unique mediator between God and man because he is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15, 12:24), just as Moses was the mediator (Greek mesitas) of the Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19–20).

        The intercession of fellow Christians—which is what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something “good and pleasing to God,” not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator.

        check your Bible…

      • txtman

        IT IS MORE FUN TO BE A CATHOLIC
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        CHI UP CATHOLICS
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAY!
        IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
        AMEN!

    • txtman

      BE PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYY!
      IT IS TIME TO HAVE CATHOLIC VOTES
      DEFEND OUR FAITH TO GOD
      AMEN!

    • Johannes Arthuremus

      Salamat umalis kang bulok na demonyo

    • Josef Hernandez

      Were you in the first place a real catholic?

    • Allen Douglas

      Pano ka bigyan ng komonyon eh hindi ka na nga Catholic….duh

  • dabianang_payat

    madami kung makapang lait sa simbahan wagas, pero kapag nagkaroon naman silang malaki at mabigat na problema sa simbahan o sa kapilya naman pumupunta at nag sisisi at parang ang bait bait sa pag ddarasal..

    • txtman

      BE PROUD TO BE CATHOLICS
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      ITS IS TIME TO UNITE
      DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN!

      • http://twitter.com/NinWalter Moonbuster

        you’d look good in pom poms haha

      • txtman

        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS ARE SMART
        CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAYYY!
        IT IS TIME TO FIGHT BACK
        TAMA NA ANG PAGIGING MARTIR CATHLICS
        AMEN

  • brunogiordano

    “Bishops on Church survey: Unbelievable”

    Ano ang unbelievable sa survey?????

    Ang nangyayari sa SIMBAHANG katoliko sa PILIPINAS ay tulad din ng nangyayari sa BRAZIL ngayon.

    “They’re not disappearing into the heavens because of a supernatural rapture. Their numbers are dwindling by man-made causes: church bureaucracy, busy lives, and other options of faith. As a result, the Catholic Church is losing its flock in Brazil, the world’s most populous Catholic country.”

    • txtman

      NOT ALL WILL GONNA BE SAVED
      CATHOLICS STAND HIGH
      HEP!HEP!
      HURRAY!
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      IT IS TIME TO FIGHT FOR OUR FAITH IN GOD
      LETS UNITE PEOPLE
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN!

      • nes911

        Ano kayo iglesia na ni kristo?

      • txtman

        YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYBODY
        MGA SAME SEX, PRO-ABORTION ATHEISTS/LEFTIST LANG ANG GALIT SA CATHOLIC CHURCH
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
        TAMA ANG PAGIGING MARTIR
        AMEN

      • Nelson Cabasisi

        yes Catholic Vote now upang malaman ng mga bopols na politician na ang mga Katoliko ay kayang manindigan sa kanilang paniniwala.

      • walangutak

        Hindi ako galit sa katoliko kundi sa mga taong may hawak ng renda ng simbahan na ginawang gatasan at materyal sa pang abuso ang mga kasapi.Chismoso na Corrupt pa ang marami sa nasa itaas ng heriyarkiya ng simbahan. Tatanggap ng donasyon na isang bagay at pagkatapos ay hingan pa ang nasasakupan para pambayad daw sa na “donate” na bagay. Tama yung sinabi ng isang arsobispo rito sa isa sa Arch diocese ng Cebu ng masarap gastusin ang koleksyon ng simbahan para sa pansarili nilang gusto at ito ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit marami na ang tumiwalag sa katoliko ngunit hindi sa pananampalataya sa Dios.

      • penoykaw

        TAMA!

      • motorcyclemama

        Nice cheer. You needed it.

      • txtman

        YES, WE CAN
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA!
        MABUHAY ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH
        THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
        HAVE FAITH CATHOLICS
        AMEN

      • Nelson Cabasisi

        Yes to Catholic Vote.

      • Allen Douglas

        and may I add my YES, TO ONE CATHOLIC VOTE!!!

      • Magsasaka

        halatang bading itong si pitiful bopol hehehe

      • leubas

        MABUHAY ANG MGA MITSUBISHOPS…..HEHEHEH

      • Crazy_horse101010

        tell that to the 150 million indians 0ver 50 million europeans and hundreds of thousands of jews who died because of the catholic church. yeah they are really great

      • txtman

        AHAHAHAHA
        CRAZY_HORSE KA NGA
        SEE, ONLY A TANGA WILL BELIVE YOU
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHA

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i got more likes than you yubba dubba do PITIFUL HAW HAW HAW

      • boboposter

        Model Catholic ka nga. Ang lakas magmura!

        Banal na aso! Santong kabayo! Natatawa ako, hihihihi… SAYO!

      • http://www.facebook.com/pinoy.atheista.5 Pinoy Atheista

        Read histories outside what is thought in the catholic church, as in actual history, and see the list of atrocities of your church.

      • http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/ Splendor1618

        THOSE MILLIONS OF INDIANS AND EUROPEANS WERE NOT KILLED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY SIMPLY BECAME CATHOLIC THEN. FOR THEM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUILT UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES MANY ARE STILL EXISTING TODAY, BUILT HOSPITALS AND ORPHANAGES, DEVELOPED SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND ESTABLISHED WORKS OF CHARITIES EQUAL TO NONE IN NUMBER AND IN QUALITY.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        thats the reason the northern cheyenne filed a lawsuit against the catholic charities in billings montana because millions of dollares were skimed off. i have friends who were crows and they told me about the abuses by priests and nuns 500 indians were just awarded 197 million dollars because of child abuse. papal bull issued by alexander v1 1493 stated all indians shall give up their land and be converted or be considered non human and shall be killed and children enslaved, this papal bull is still in effect even though the indians asked john paul the second to remove it he never did you better go to the internet and look at facts in 1540 the church even admitted that 15 million indians had died in mexico and west indies. anything else i have a lot more because i lived among the indians and have a lot of horror stories

      • Magsasaka

        baliw na kabayo, kahit na nong facts ang sabihin mo sa mga bulag na panatiko hindi maniniwala ang mga iyan pero salamat na din sa mga isiniwalat mo kasi hindi ko alam ang tungkol dyan

      • marionics

        he he matapos mong tawaging baliw pasasalamatan mo he he

      • Magsasaka

        tinagalog ko lang pangalan nya eh hehehe

      • marionics

        aaaaaahh oo nga ano. wala na, obobs na ako talaga he he

      • Magsasaka

        naku delikado nahahawaan na tayo ng mga nagkalat hehehe

      • boldyak

        di kaya ikaw ang bulag?

      • Magsasaka

        hindi ako panatiko hehehe

      • askal2u

        They did the same thing to Mexico, Central, and South America, and the Philippines.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        ps can you tell which tribes you were involved with since i know most of them and your the expert. my name is even indian in case you want to know the indians and the deaf were the most abused by priests and nuns. and the nuns had some lawsuits filed against them also look up nuns abusing children on google theres pages of them.the tribes i was around were the umatillas warm springs piautes crows norhtern cheyenne blackfoot yuroks hupas and pomos know any of them

      • marionics

        boy can you really rub it in he he

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i love history especially with the indians and dealing with wars i have read everything i can get my hands on i have had a lot of indian friends i even have one here he is from honduras and a mayan married to a flippina he is protestant because of things the church did to his people they suffered a lot in the 1600s and there is still abuses

      • marionics

        it’s a wonder why despite all the similar hardships that the spanish conquistadores did to the native filipinos why the latter still blindly follow this oppressive faith

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i see i need to check my spelling though before i enter. i get in to big of a hurry. take care kemo sabe he he

      • marionics

        you too tonto he he

      • Crazy_horse101010

        ps even the catholic church admits to the killings in europe where have you been. heard of the inquisition that ended in 1835 in mexico read about the converisos who were jews that had to convert or die most died

      • Josef Hernandez

        check your facts…

      • Crazy_horse101010

        what facts are you talking about the indians are you a expert and do you know how to use google

      • Josef Hernandez

        well, I know… In fact I’m quite good at it… c++ visual basics… programming… I had computer lessons in the past and part of it is to still confirm facts regarding history lalo na kung sa internet…. madamng errors… I still prefer library or e-library but not just google… yes that’s true in history the Church has gone bad! but she has learned… trying to fix the gaps… throught dialogue. don’t worry,… pope francis will reform the Church..

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i agree i hope he does something do you think the bishops here will listen to him i have a book on the indians of brazil called red gold they probably suffered the worse because there was more of them there was mllions along the amazon and in a short period of time most disappeared they are still dying there because of logging and mining anyway good luck to you and hope for the best

      • Josef Hernandez

        Bishops are bound to obey the Pope.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Then it’s you who does not know the dealings of your church.

        There are autonomous “regions” in the Roman Catholic Church. They follow the doctrines agreed upon on their canon but they are independent from the Vatican when it comes to the “management” of their flocks. The only thing that bound them with the pope is the periodic “contribution” they have to send to Rome.

        The Pope may “advice” but can never “dictate” them.

      • Josef Hernandez

        Read Pater Aeternus Chap III :) para maliwanagan ka! The pope is declared to possess ordinary, immediate, and jurisdiction over all the faithful… It is further added that this authority extends to all alike, both pastors (including the bishops) and lay faithful, whether singly or collectively! :P kahit ang patakbo ng isang obispo sa kanyang diocese pwedeng panghimasukan ng Santo Papa kung ito ang makakabuti… sya kasi ang nagbigay ng mga assignment na yan… at kung may mismanagement agad yang nalalaman ng Pope through the Papal Nuncio… pagpasensyahan mo ako kung “I do not know the dealings of your church.”

      • askal2u

        so nung nagbigay ang utos ang papa nyo na patayin lahat ng gustong magbasa ng bibliya nung panahon ng Inquisition at dark ages, nakabuti ba yon sa lahat, at yong pagpanig ng papa nung WW2 sa mga Nazi para sugpoin mga Hudyo nakabuti rin sa mga Kristiano?

      • Josef Hernandez

        haha.. yes it’s true madaming kasalanan ang Simbahan noon But the notion of the Middle Ages as being dominated by the Church like what you are insinuating is a fallacy. Heresy was rife, superstitions and local cults were more popular than what was proclaimed from the pulpit, and kings frequently ignored popes. Sometimes, if a king or emperor were powerful enough they would appoint their own pope; from time to time Germany would have one pope, Italy another, and France, feeling left out, would also decide to have one. Papal power reached its dizzying heights of infallibility only in the late 19th Century, and some of its most infamous crimes against science occurred during the Renaissance, not the ‘Dark Ages’. The Catholic Church was far too weak to do much in the Middle Ages, and had to rely on foreign kings and mercenaries to defend it; the Pope was even run out of Rome more than once! The reality of the oppressive features of the Catholic Church has been transposed from the modern era, since we are all so learned and know better, to an earlier, more ‘primitive’ time, when people were actually less faithful and far more superstitious than the Church would have preferred. Even one of the Church’s most evil crimes, the unbelievable defence of paedophiles in its ranks, is a relatively recent occurrence; in the Middle Ages a cleric accused of such a deed would be confined to a cell and made to live on bread and water, and if found guilty was often excommunicated and banished, which was a serious threat in those days. More witches were burned by popular and civic authorities than the Church during the Inquisition, the Crusades were as much a secular military conquest as a theological exercise, and the Papacy even defended Jews from attack by Christians, under pain of excommunication, from the Middle Ages until the Renaissance.

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        purely cognitive dissonance…. torquemada wasn’t punished… he died peacefully in his sleep in the comfort of his bed.

      • Josef Hernandez

        Utang na loob nyo sa Simbahan ang pagkakaroon ng sistema ng edukasyon at pagtatatag ng mga unibersidad… lahat ng nakita nyo lang kasalanan ng Simbahan! MAGBASA KAYO. LEARN THE WHOLE STORY. Pirapiraso kang bumanat sa Simbahan d m naman alam ang buong kwento!

      • Magsasaka

        ikaw ang dapat matuto, sa mga bansang walang RCC nagkaroon din sila ng edukasyon, inverted brain ka talaga

      • Josef Hernandez

        We cannot judge the past by the standards of today; we don’t look at Italians and Germans and think “once a fascist, always a fascist; we don’t look at Filipinos and think “once an indio, always an indio”

      • ApoNiLolo

        Really? Have you consider that in the Roman Catholic Church, there is one set of “rules” for the faithful and another set for “the men in robes”?

        I’ll give you one good example why the pope does not have “jurisdiction” beyond the Vatican. The “faithfuls” in Peru worships Christianity along side the ancient pagan religion of “Sun-worship”. This does not only transgress the 1st commandment but also violates the canons of the church. In other words, this is a blasphemous act. Yet the pope (who is supposed to be the defender of the faith) never attempted to “correct” it nor “chastised” the priests and their congregation in that region. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church in that part of the world “allowed” that kind of “anomalous” practice by its devotees.

        Don’t be “bookish”. Ask yourself – why?

      • Josef Hernandez

        Show me the article proving this claims that the Church allowed this… I hope you know the full story because I have a friend priest in Peru… I want to confirm this… and which archdiocese or diocese

      • ApoNiLolo

        LOL! Your statements are smack of “DENIAL” written all over it. Asking me specifics like “which archdiocese” only shows your immaturity. Don’t tell me, the next thing you’ll ask are the name or names of those
        priests who allowed these rituals? >: D

        But to appease your curiosity – it’s a BBC documentary. Go and do your research. It’s much better for you to find it by yourself than I “spoon-feeding” you. That way it will strengthen your conviction.

      • Josef Hernandez

        no. mas immature ang magclaim ng isang proposition na baka narinig mo lang sa kanto! haha isama mo kasi ang reference m. alam yan ng lahat ng academe at lahat ng pumasok sa college… if you claim this as truth and a thesis then you must present the source… db? ikaw ang immature.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Proposition? What proposition? I’ve given you facts. Now it’s up to you to follow it up and analyze it yourself why this “double-standard” happens. The problem is your faith is so blindly strong that you’re in complete denial when faced with reality that is not in concordance with your belief.

        Now, tell me, whose myopic between the two of us. >: D

      • Josef Hernandez

        why not tell me your sources? di ba? facts are always supported by studies to prove its truth kasi fact nga! ang daming nagsabing Anti-christ ang pope dahil ganito banyan… e wala namang proof na mailabas… naiisip ko tuloy naninira ka lang.. kaya nga I challenge you to present sources of your facts! mahirap bang unawain na isang link lang sa article of video presentation ang hinhinhgi ko…. facts daw wala namang proof na maibigay… sus

      • ApoNiLolo

        Susmaryosep! I don’t know if you’re lazy or poor in understanding. Sinabi ko ng it’s a BBC documentary. Ibig sabihin isang programang pinalabas sa TV. Ang dami mong habla na wala namang katuturan. Pathetically consoling your ego that everything is fine even when reality slaps you awake.

        Here’s something for your minuscule mind. Google if “Sun worshiping” is still practiced in Peru. Since majority of Peruvians are Catholic, you can put two-and-two together that these religions are being practiced, vis-a-vis! Entiendes?

      • Josef Hernandez

        saang archdiocese yan sa Peru? who is the Bishop?

      • Josef Hernandez

        I’m not bookish it’s just that I’m not fond of claiming baseless propositions. You should try it. Give your reference.

      • ranjoranido

        visual basics daw.. ang dami naman nyan. hahaha

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        it’s no use denying them. the fact is pope john paul ii has already acknowledged and even apologized for those atrocities.

      • Bernardo R. Benedicto IV

        Oh yes, be PROUD….

        …of your Atrocities

      • Magsasaka

        kahit dito sa forum negative ang tingin sa iyo hehehe, pitiful bopol

      • Jonboris Aragon

        Read Revelation 17 on wards Catholic Church is ” Ina ng mga Patutot” at Dakilang Bayan lahat ng nanganganlong jan kasama ng ibang religion matutupok sa apoy kc may tanda sa kamay ang lahat ng naniniwala sa kanya yan ang “Antanda ng Krus ” na inyong ginagawa.

      • Nelson Cabasisi

        Ignorance of the Bible indeed. Ang wala sa Bibliya hindi daw dapat paniniwalaan. May nakasulat ba nga Catholic Church yan o yan ay tanda ng Cross? Basahin mo nga ang Galasya 3:1:: mga bopols lang ang naniniwalang ang Krus ay masama. grrrr

      • taga_ilog

        bakit ano ba ang krus?

      • Josef Hernandez

        Without the cross, Chris’t mission is incomplete.

      • Magsasaka

        you are bragging about the cross an instrument of death and torture during jesus time, did you ever think about it?why a symbol of death and torture is being perceived as holy and divine?napaghahalatang napakamangmang mo at hindi man lang nag iisip.

      • Josef Hernandez

        I know my theology… Scripture speaks so highly of the Cross as the instrument of our salvation: “May I never boast of anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ ,by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world” (Gal.6, 14). Can this seal be possibly any different from the “sign of the Son of man” (St. Matt. 24, 30) which is the Cross?

      • Josef Hernandez

        Rev. 7, 3: “Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have marked the servants of our God with a seal on their foreheads.”

      • Josef Hernandez

        that seal is the cross!

      • Magsasaka

        cross, instrument of salvation?isn’t it the sacrifices and death of jesus that saves us not the cross,mag isip isip ka dahil ginagawa mong instrumento ng kaligtasan ang instrumento ng pagpapahirap at kamatayan noong panahon ni kristo.

      • Josef Hernandez

        e ayun oh nasa Bible… Paul was boasting about the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ… e d dun ka magreklamo… bakit ipagmamalaki ni Pablo un?

      • Josef Hernandez

        why didn’t he curse the cross?

      • Josef Hernandez

        The Bible clearly states: “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God.” (1 Cor. 1:18)

      • Magsasaka

        it contradicts the sacrifices and death of jesus so which do you prefer?
        cross as an instrument of torture and death represents the power of god are you kidding me?

      • Josef Hernandez

        “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God.” (1 Cor. 1:18) Eto nga ang nasa Bible diba dito palagi ang reference nyo. anong gusto mong gawin ko ipa-edit lahat ng Biblya sa mundo?

      • Magsasaka

        hindi gumamit ka lang ng tamang lohika hehehe

      • Josef Hernandez

        are you saying that the Bible is illogical? unreasonable? and hence wrong????

      • Magsasaka

        have you notice there are contradicting verses

      • Josef Hernandez

        what verses?

      • Josef Hernandez

        kumuha ka kasi ng Bible at basahin mo!

      • Josef Hernandez

        Tanggapin mo na kasi, na ang dating simbolo ng kamatayan after ng pagkapako ni Hesus ay naging simbolo na ng Kaligtasan ano bang mahirap unawain dun?

      • Magsasaka

        sa iyo katangap tangap dahil hindi mo ginagamit ang isang bagay na bigay sa iyo ng lumikha iyon ay ang isip, walang pinagkaiba sa pagdiriwang ng fall of bataan, ang tawag dyan inverted brain

      • Josef Hernandez

        Christians should never be bitter of what happened in the past…. because all of it… even the death of Christ on the Cross is part of God’s eternal Plan :)

      • Magsasaka

        christians should learn from the past unlike you, you learn nothing in fact you are worshiping a symbol of death and torture

      • Josef Hernandez

        ako ba ang mangmang?

      • kishbuff

        hahahaha, tingnan mo ang numero ng dislike sa comment mo…. parami ng parami. ano ibig sabihin nyan? GUMISING NA KAYO, KASI KAPAG HINDI NAGBAGO ANG MGA OBISPO NYO, MAGIGISING NA LANG KAYO NA WALA NG TAO SA SIMBAHAN!!!! KAYO-KAYO NA LANG! KANYA-KANYA NA LANG KAMING MANANALANGIN!!!!!

      • otire

        pre kung ako sayo tumigil ka na. tingnan mo dumadami ang dislike sa pompom comment mo. lol

      • Kapitanbagwis

        Good luck to you !!!!

      • buttones

        You’ve got 19 vote downs on that comment, and, by the way isn’t ‘pride’ a mortal sin? [Catholics are beautiful etc?] And who do you wish to pick a fight with?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i think he is trying for the record for downs

      • buttones

        It’s not this PH obsession with Guinness Book records is it? OMG! I think the boy might have a chance……

      • TOINKZ_06

        in your dreams

      • frudo

        fight for what ano yan? wala nman nagpe persecute sa inyo eh diba yung iba pa nga eh siga ano sinasabi mong fight for

      • Islander

        Kung ganito ang morale booster ng mga Catholics, the Church will be in worse trouble.

      • Pio Pusli

        PITIFUL

    • Johannes Arthuremus

      Brazil ay Hindi pilipinas kited utak mo katok liko

      • txtman

        YES, WE CAN
        CATHOLIC VOTES IS NOW BORN
        SABI SA SURVEY 78% HINDI NAINIWALA
        PERO IBIG SABIHIN 22% WILL VOTE AS CATHOLIC
        LETS UNITE TO FIGHT OUR FAITH IN GOD
        AMEN!

      • marionics

        uuuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyy

        for the first time in this universe

        walang PITIFUL sa ending

        AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

        magugunaw na ang mundoooooooo

        AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      • otire

        napansin ko din .. lol

      • taga_ilog

        bro wag ka papahila jan hehehe lugi ka,

      • marionics

        ok lang pre di din ako pinapatulan niyang si PITIFUL. mukhang ako ang nakaka troll sa kanya e hahaha

      • ApoNiLolo

        Yan din sana ang sasabihin ko, naunahan mo lang ako. >: D

      • marionics

        e wala namang unaunahan dito e. the more the merrier pre he he

      • txtman

        FACTS OF THE FAKE SURVEY
        9.2% X 972 = 89 PERSON
        1200 (ghost respondents) x 81% (catholics daw) = 972 person
        972( RC) x 1% (non-religious RC daw) = 9.72%
        9.72 (non-religious RC daw) x 57.3% (thinking of leaving RC) = 4.86 tao
        ALL IN ALL ABOUT 9 PERSON THINKING OF LEAVING
        9 divided by 972 = 0.009 or 0.9% LESS THAN 1%
        ANONG KLASENG STATISTICIAN YAN?
        MASKI GRADE SCHOOL ALAM ICOMPUTE YAN
        GRADUATE SIGURO NG UNIVERSITY OF RECTO
        AHAHAHAHA
        GINAGAWA NAMAN KAYONG BOBO
        NANIWALA NAMAN AGAD KAYO?
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • ARIKUTIK

        Who cares about arithmetic. Only the cooked up result is what matters. But then what can be expected from the survey firm of an enemy? SWS is Penoy tool for “Daang Tuwad” …Penoy the murderer of Filipinos in Sabah, “Team Malaysia”. Aquino the mestizo imposer of RH law to poison poor native Filipinos…. “Team Traidor”.
        Penoy the Survey and Showbizz director…. “Daang Showbizz” …. Aangat ba ang katayuan ng mahihirap sa pamamagitan ng Survey? Ang best achievement ni Penoy ay Survey! Pang goyo sa madlang Filipino.

      • Pio Pusli

        PITIFUL, BWAAAAAAAH!!!

      • TotoyKalentong

        I’m Catholic, I go to church regularly, I haven’t missed any Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation for the past two years, but I’m not swayed by their political prodding, so count me out of your Catholic vote. Being part of a so-called Catholic vote, won’t make you a saint.

      • startrin

        More people are going to church it is true and obvious if you see churches, BUT it is a sign of problem that the Filipinos have not and perhaps will never be able to address effectively even in the next million years: Overpopulation and Poverty. The more people in poverty the more church goers.

    • marionics

      You burden me with your questions
      You’d have me tell no lies
      You’re always asking what it’s all about
      But don’t listen to my replies

      You say to me I don’t talk enough
      But when I do I’m a fool
      These times I’ve spent, I’ve realized
      I’m going to shoot through
      And leave you

      The things, you say
      Your purple prose just gives you away
      The things, you say
      You’re unbelievable

      You burden me with your problems
      By telling me more than mine
      I’m always so concerned
      With the way you say
      You’ve always go to stop
      To think of us being one
      Is more than I ever know
      But this time, I realize
      I’m going to shoot through
      And leave you

      The things, you say
      Your purple prose just gives you away
      The things, you say
      You’re unbelievable

      Seemingly lastless, don’t mean
      You can ask us
      Pushing down the relative
      Bringing out your higher self
      Think of the fine times
      Pushing down the better few
      Instead of bringing out the clues
      To what the world and everything anger to
      Brace yourself with the grace of ease
      I know this world ain’t what it seems.

      (You’re unbelievable)
      You burden me with your questions
      You’d have me tell no lies
      You’re always asking what it’s all about
      But don’t listen to my replies

      You say to me I don’t talk enough
      But when I do I’m a fool
      These times I’ve spent, I’ve realized
      I’m going to shoot through
      And leave you

      The things, you say
      Your purple prose just gives you away
      The things, you say
      It’s why I love you more
      The things, you say
      Your purple prose just gives you away
      The things, you say
      You’re unbelievable

      You’re so unbelievable

      You’re unbelievable

      (You’re unbelievable)

      You’re unbelievable

      • marionics

        konti pa lang ang mga topak na nagcocomment ngayon a. baka di pa bumababa sa krus last semana santa he he he.

      • txtman

        ANONG KLASENG STATISTICIAN YAN?
        FACTS OF THE FAKE SURVEY KONO
        972X 9.2% = 89 PERSON
        1200 (GHOST RESPONDENTS) X 81% (CATHOLICS) = 972 people
        972 (CATHOLCIS DAW) X 1% (non-religious catholics daw) = 9.72 people
        9.72 (non-religious RC) x 57% (thinking of leaving RC) = 4.86 person
        SO ALL IN ALL IT IS ABOUT 9 CATHOLICS LANG
        9 (thinking of leaving) divided by 972 = 0.009 or 0.9% LESS THAN 1%
        >>>> LESS THAN 1% KA INNGO!
        GINAGAWA NAMAN KAYONG BOBO
        MASKI GRADE SCHOOL ALAM ICOMPUTE YAN
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        NANIWALA NAMAN AGAD KAYO?
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHAHA

      • PEACEMAKER

        what the relevance???

    • startrin

      Marami paman talagang nagsisimba, tootoo yon..kasi, that is a sign maraming naghihirap pa rin. And the economic growth na sinasabi ng gobyerno eh wla naman halos epekto. Kc pag umuulad ang isang bansa, co-related ang pagkonti ng mga nagsismba, eh ngaun ang dami2x pa ring nagsismba!

    • Allen Douglas

      Dream on, it’s FREE…Yes to CATHOLIC VOTE!!!!

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Bishops on Church survey: Unbelievable<<<

    E di lalo namang UNBELIEVABLE itong pinakahuling ulat:

    VIENNA—Austrian prosecutors on Tuesday charged a 79-year-old former priest of sexually abusing 15 students at a Benedictine monastery between 1973 and 1993

    ============================================

    priest franco decaminada stole 5.1 million dollars from a catholic hospital . he had been stealing the workers wages for months they went to the vatican for help but it refused so they went to the police. 1500 peoples wages for 8 months. the hospital is now insolvent, this was in rome. this week cnn joseph gallagher and mark gaspar are 2 of 26 priest suspended after 2011 grand jury investigation into archdiese handling of sex abuse allegations this happened in penns. usa Sun star apr. 2 2013

    • txtman

      BE PROUD CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN

    • txtman

      BE PROUD CATHOLICS
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      BE VIGILANT
      MAY MGA PWERSA NA PUMAPASOK SA SIMBAHAN KONO
      PERO GUSTO LANG SIRAIN ANG CATHOLICS
      MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN

  • UrHONOR

    NONE so blind as THOSE who refuse to SEE.

    Yong mga ayaw maniwala, punta kayo sa Egypt….andoroon ang the NILE river! :)

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS!
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYY!
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      MABUHAY ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      HINDI KAGAYA NG IBA DYAN
      AMEN!

  • brunogiordano

    “Bishops on Church survey: Unbelievable”

    Ang mga pinagsasabi ninyo mga OBISPONG DAMASO ang UNBELIEVABLE kanya nagaalisan na sa simbahan ninyo ang inyong mga members at hindi ninyo matangap na kayo mismo ang tunay na dahilan.

    • txtman

      STAND HIGH CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYY!
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      IT IS TIME TO UNITE
      CATHOLIC VOTE
      NOW NA!
      FOR THE GLORY OF GOD
      AMEN!

    • Allen Douglas

      nag-aalisan? But the survey, no matter how fake, still says 81% of Pinoys are STRONG CATHOLIC?

  • farmerpo

    CBCP does not have to accept the survey. Who cares? But should they come down from their high perches and talk the faithfuls?, yes. Survey or no survey, heed your new leader. Follow his examples, talk to the people, listen and you might learn a thing or two.
    Leave politics to the politicians, leave police work to the police, take charge of your parishes, not delegate your duties to you lay assistants. Be sensitive to the poor, not to the ‘buyers of heaven’, wear you sandals not your crocs and Nike. Share the donations of those ‘buyers of heaven’ with the poor and stop second collections. Do your vows sincerely and faithfully and all else will follow. Feed the sheep.

    • txtman

      DID YOU DONATE 10% OF YOUR INCOME?- NOPE
      5%?- NOPE
      1%-NOPE
      1000 PESOS- NOPE
      500 PESOS-NOPE
      EH ONE PESO?- NOPE
      DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EVER FORCE YOU TO GIVE MONEY? – NOPE
      NOW, WHO IS NOT DOING HIS JOB?
      PITIFUL

      • Crazy_horse101010

        out of the 20000 different churches give me the names of the ones who charge 10 percent i went to some and they never required me to give any 10 percent like lutherians bapists. church of god assembly of god they just had a offering plate

      • txtman

        WOW 20,000 DIFFERENT CHURCHES
        GALING MO NAMAN
        SIGE NGA NAME MO 15,000 OF THEM
        TO SEE KUNG HINDI NAMBUBULA LANG
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • Crazy_horse101010

        you cant read name all the churches instead of babbling pitful one

    • Josef Hernandez

      Bishops are also filipinos… they have the right to speak freely… It is part of their vow and mission to guide the souls. Kung may kaluluwa ka at isa kang Katoliko, responsibilidad ka ng mga pari at mga obispo kahit pa anong katayuan mo sa buhay… sinong may sabing hindi nagbbgay ang simbahan sa mahihirap? hindi lang nila un gngwang publicity… the collections are submitted to the vatican and the vatican would dispense them to the poor people in other countries especially in africa. Duty ng mga faithful na supportahan ang ministro nila ang mga pari… because they need it too… kung may kalabisan man sila ay wag na din magtaka kc tao dn naman sila. kailangan din ng simbahan ang financial na tulong para sa mga proyekto nito, pero this is always for the common good. kung madami mang nagbibigay sa pari dahil sa kabutihan ng mga mayayaman hindi naman nila binabali ang turo ng simbahan, nakisama si hesus sa mayayaman at mahihirap… may ginagawa ang simbahan para sa mahihirap… meron… at ang Simbahan ay hindi sa mga pari… The Church is us! lahat tayo myembro into, though as an institution the governing power belongs to the ordain… Kaya kung may mga lay na gumagawa sa Simbahan it is because they are fulfilling their duty sa simbahan.. The liturgy is for the people! I denounced clericalism too! but giving all the duties to the priest would defeat the very purpose of the Church… The CBCP too is not the whole Catholic Church! tsk tsk

    • buttones

      It’s just a survey, the Church should commission one of their own, involving 80 million respondents vs the 1200, it’s all a bit meaningless really….

  • dinededma

    di ako pabor sa simbahan pero parang di ako bilib pa sa statistics na ito lalo sa mga probinsya. manila baka totoo nga.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      ITS IS TIME TO SHOW THE FORCE OF CATHOLICS
      CATHOLIC VOTE NOW NA
      MASKI 10% LANG WINNER NA!
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAY!
      MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN!

  • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

    If RCC wants to stop its flock from dwindling, it should do some serious housecleaning. Like exposing and sending the sexual predators in priestly robes to jail. Like protecting the virginity of our sisterly nuns from opportunistic priests. Like sharing more of the church’s wealth to the poor.

    Ang yaman-yaman ng RCC, pero lahat ng kayamanan tinatago. Taliwas sa turo ng Dyos at Bibliya. CBCP has huge stock holdings in Ayala Corp, SMC, Philex, BPI, Phinma Corp, Atlas Mining, Meralco, Petron, Concrete Aggregates Corp and etc.

    Walang Padre Damaso na nagugutom.

    Check these sources and see for yourself.

    (a) pinoymoneytalk,com/church-philippines-rich-wealth-stocks/
    rickong,com/the-philippine-roman-catholic-churchs-more-than-php17-billion-investments-and-filipinos-in-poverty/

    (b) pinoyexchange,com/forums/showthread.php?t=600582&page=2

    • txtman

      BE PROUD TO BE CATHOLICS
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      IT IS TIME TO UNITE
      DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      CATHOLIC CHURCH THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      AMEN

      • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

        Hallelujiah!

      • Ozamis7

        Amennn…

      • IronFistAtheos

        txtman! you da mann! ang galing nya!
        CHOOSE RELIGION!
        BECAUSE THINKING IS HARD!! :D

    • txtman

      STOP CORRUPTION IN THE GOVERNMENT
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      YES, WE CAN
      AMEN

    • buttones

      House cleaning? Well that’s probably very true, it’s a pity for the RCC that the organization has become synonymous all over the world with sex offenses of one sort or another and the covering up of those offenses.
      On the RCC investment portfolio, other than vast real estate holdings, well I guess they have to make their money as best they can, the Catholic flock can hardly be expected to pay the overheads, most are flat broke anyway. In our democratic system we all know how much money we have, where it comes from and where it goes but the RCC is not that sort of organization, it is very secretive. Occasionally things come to light regarding their investments; BAT was one some years ago, hardly a responsible investment for a religious group.
      Having said that, I’m not going the knock this or any religion, most of which
      have over the years enlightened us with education in many a field. I think they
      have lost this edge to institutions that are more free thinking, we get
      educated to a point we ask irritating questions, and the answers from a church
      are just not acceptable anymore.

  • pikloy

    Believable ? totoo….marami ang nagiisip at tumatalikod sa kanilang paniniwala sa simbahang katoliko sa dahilang sa ipinakikita ng mga taohan sa pangaabuso at mga katiwalihan sa loob ng Simbahang katoliko.Iyan ang mga problema sa Vatican na na bangit ng bagong Banal na Papa Francis.

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYY!
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      AMEN

      • pikloy

        MAG SOLO KA ….

      • txtman

        YES, WE CAN
        CATHOLIC VOTES, NOW NA
        MGA LAPDOGS NG MGA CORRUPT OFFICIALS GALIT NA
        AHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

      • Allen Douglas

        Paano mag so SOLO ang 81% MAJORITY? Yes to CATHOLIC VOTE!!!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        blah blah blah yawn zzzzzz

      • txtman

        BAKIT KAYA TAMIK MGA ITO SA MGA CORRUPT OFFICIALS
        AND SA MGA CORRUPT LAPDOGS MEDIA?
        ANG DALI NINYONG MAUTO SA MGA LAPDOGS MEDIA
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        BRAINLESS
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHAHA

      • Crazy_horse101010

        life is tough buts its tougher if your stupid john wayne so why are you making life so hard on yourself

      • txtman

        MAY BRAIN KA NAMAN HINDI MO GINAGAMIT
        ISANG SULAT LANG NI LAPDOG CORRUPT MEDIA
        OO, KA NA AGAD
        AHAHAHAHAHA
        PITIFUL LIFE
        PITIFUL
        AHAHAHAHA

    • txtman

      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
      CATHOLICS ARE SMART
      CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
      CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
      FAITH IS BASED WITH YOUR RALATIONSHIP WITH GOD
      MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      AMEN

      • nes911

        Tinotopak na ito. Wala ng masabi, pom pom girl.

      • txtman

        YES, WE CAN
        STOP CORRUPTION
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        AMEN

      • holydonkeyballs

        To the left! To the right!

      • txtman

        YES WE CAN
        STOP CORRUPTION
        CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA!
        USE YOUR BRAIN MGA KAPATID
        AYAN NA NAMAN ANG MGA LAPDOG MEDIA
        CHIN UP CATHOLICS
        AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        how can you stop corruption with something that is corrupt amen

      • Crazy_horse101010

        and fight fight fight

    • Josef Hernandez

      The reform will happen under the pontificate of Pope Francis. The Church learns her lessons… But after all the issues only those who remain could be truly called “faithful” because my faith is not faith for the priests nor for the bishops… I have a faith in GOD. so whatever happens I will remain a Catholic… i believe not just because the priest says so, more importantly I believe in God and that He uses circumstances to test out faith. and I have this clear concept of a priest… He is both human and also divinely mandated to do spiritual tasks. he sins like any other men.. but when he is celebrating the sacraments through his priesthood… I see Christ…. God himself…

      • pikloy

        Kung iyan ang paniniwala mo tama ka, pero ang paniniwala mo ay natatapos bago sa aming paniniwala. Our faith in God stays put, but our believe in the Catholic Chuch ends. There are many different Relegions to guide our spiritual needs, but there is only one God as we all believe in. God bless….

      • Josef Hernandez

        hindi naman kasi ako ignorante sa relihiyong pinasok ko… hindi naman superman ang hanap kong mga gagabay sakin, hindi mga perpekto… kasi kahit saang relihiyon may ganyan… may minstrong abusado may masama ang ugali at may iskandalo. at anong ggwin mo kpag may ganun ding mga namumuno sa ppuntahan mo? aalis ka uli? lilipat? dahil hindi mo nagustuhan ang palakad nila… makitid… kung Diyos ang dahilan m tlga ng pagpasok sa Simbahang Katoliko bakit sa mga naririnig mo palang bumigay ka na? good luck sa paglipat nyo :) God bless you too sana mahanap nyo ang mga anghel sa lupa

      • Josef Hernandez

        If the reason you entered the Catholic Church is really God, hinding hindi ka magpapatinag sa mga nakikita lang ng mga mata mo o sa nararanasan mo. Kung ang Diyos ang dahilan walang sukuan… hindi naman mga pari o obispo ang dahilan ng pananampalataya mo… madaming masasamang minister ditto sa mundo… laging may masasabi… paano kung may makatagpo kang ministrong kapareho ng mga obispo aayaw ka na din ba? lilipat uli? hahanap ng perpektong taong gagabay sayo? Good luck… God bless… sana mahanap nyo ang mga anghel sa lupa…

      • pikloy

        Thank you I am not a relegious fanatic like you/ you can say and keep what ever your endless reasoning you have.

  • speaksoftlylove

    Sa totoo lang, mahihirapang dayain ng administrasyon ni PNoy ang eleksyon dahil aktibo ang Simbahang Katoliko ngayon sa pagsuporta ng mga kandidatong kumontra sa RH law. Yong survey ng SWS at Pulse sa leading candidates ay immaterial dahil dikit dikit lang ang resulta that is, “from 4th to 11th place or “from 11th to 24th place” di ba ninyonahalata? Yan ang dahilan kaya pati survey ni Mahal Mang Ahas hinggil dito sa Simbahang Katoliko na walang kapararakan ay pinakawalan ng palasyo. In short, panic mode.

    Here’s my fearless forecast. Yong banta ni PNoy noong nakaraang eleksyon na “Kung mandadaya si GMA at matatalo siya ay magkakagulo.” ay malaking posibilidad na sa kanya mangyayari yon. Tiyak magkakagulo pag nandaya ang administrasyon dahil maraming basehan para mapatunayan ito.

    • Mr Moonlight

      pagan!

      • txtman

        LEFTIST/ATHEIST
        PARANG NAKITA KITA SA PASIG RIVER
        AHAHAHA

      • txtman

        BE PROUD CATHOLICS
        HEP! HEP!
        HURRAYYY!
        CATHOLICS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
        CATHOLICS RAE SMART
        CATHOLICS LOVE GOD
        CATHOLICS ARE BEAUTIFUL
        MABUHAY ANG IGLESIA CATHOLICA
        THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
        AMEN!

      • speaksoftlylove

        Si “Dakuakongutin” yang kausap mo. Nang ibinisto ko dito na gamitoyimongutin dapat at pisot na, puro tiktik pa ay nagpalit na ng username sa hiya, lol.

      • speaksoftlylove

        pala-otog ka nga kasing laki naman ng kalingkingan, anong mangyayari dyan?

        Gawin mo na lang yang pangtanggal ng tutule o kaya iipit mo sa pintuan sabay sara at baka sakaling mamaga at lumaki.

      • Mr Moonlight

        hahaha your funny, have a nice life

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTE, NOW NA
      MASKI 10% LANG WINNER NA
      COMPARED TO LESS THAN 1% OF INK
      LONG LIVE CATHOLIC CHURCH
      THE KEEPER & DEFENDER OF GOD’S WORDS
      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYY!
      AMEN

  • Ozamis7

    ….

  • Mr Moonlight

    QUESTION: does being catholic guarantees you go to heaven? hello hello pagans

    • txtman

      HELLO?
      IGLESIA NI KRISTO LANG ANG NAGSASABI NIYA
      PITIFUL ATHEIST
      AHAHAHAHA
      PITIFUL

      • Mr Moonlight

        im still a catholic, yourewrong again, and you did not answer my question

  • Mr Moonlight

    The great Cardinal Sin vigorously campaigned to the catholics not to elect erap for president, and the result was……………………………………………
    hello religious bigots keep dreaming
    Support Team Tatay
    Support your endearing Padre Damaso like bishop Navarra, Arguelles, ex bishop attention craving oscar cruz and hundreds and hundreds of sex crazed pedophiles majong playing SUV obsessed priests
    hala sige pa dakdak pa kayo mga bigots

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      MASKI 10% LANG YAN WINNER NA SIMULA YAN
      COMPARED TO LESS THAN 1% OF INK DAW?
      AHAHAHA
      BE PROUD CATHOLICS
      HEP! HEP!
      HURRAYYYY!
      IT IS TIME TO DEFEND OUR FAITH IN GOD
      AMEN!

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    ang sabi nang isang na interview sa TV kung bakit kumokonti ang nagsisimaba ay ang pakiki alam ng simbahan sa takbo ng Govierno. which is rigth. dahil may separation of church & state. Sa USA kulong agad ang isang alagad ng simbahan kapag naki alam sa govierno.

    • txtman

      AHAHAHAHA
      PITIFUL NA SINUNGALING
      IT IS ABOUT TIME TO UNITE CATHOLICS
      BE PROUD TO BE CATHOLICS
      AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        bbc july 8 2002 philippines catholic church says sorry for priests who committed sexual misconduct archbishop orlando quevedo said about 200 priest have committed sexual misconduct. were you one of them

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    wala pa akong nabalitaan sa USA na ang isang Pari ay tumanggap ng Pajero sa isang Government employee or agency.

    • penoy2012

      Hindi kasi uso sa US ang Mitsubishi. Karamihan Ford at Chrysler.

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    did you notice na ang UK ay walang cardinal sa Vatican during the last conclave.

    • penoy2012

      Engot ka pala, eh. Anglican ang UK. Ang head of the church sa UK ay kanilang Queen/ King.

  • http://twitter.com/brixvillapando brix villapando

    Actually mababa pa yan. My family for example..we are all catholics but in name only, we no longer worship the icons and usually our ideas clash with the catholic Church….we no longer go to church….marami na ganyan…just read the Bible and you will find the numerous errors of the church…

    • Dax Cogitlog

      Brix,,,… very true indeed!!

    • Josef Hernandez

      How do you find errors in things you do not fully understand?

    • Allen Douglas

      can you even explain why these are erroneous? Or you have just heard it from your favorite born against pastor?

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    hindi ba nag inhibit siya sa dahil sa caso ng molestation. kakahiya isang bansang maunlad at simbolo ng civilisation ang may ganoong cardinal.

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    Now you will say that you do not want to believe that some catholic are having 2nd taugh to continue as a catholic.

    • txtman

      HINDI LAHAT MASASAVE
      WHY BOTHER KUNG UMALIS SILA
      READ THE BIBLE
      EVEN THE DECIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST
      DID NOT FORCE OTHER PEOPLE TO BELIVE THEM
      YES, WE CAN
      STOP CORRUPTION
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      SINGAW NG LAHAT
      “I’M PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC”
      AMEN

  • http://go4kangen.com/ Reynaldo

    This is the most important thing I want to read PDI. you can express your opinion w/o thinking na baka madelete like sa PSN. na kapag may sinabi ka against sa ABS-CBN lalu na sa kanilang mga artista at director., tiyak na delete. Kaya I notice na konti na lang ang nag ba blog sa PSN. More Power PDI.

  • NAGMAMARUNONG

    BAKIT? lahat ng kilos ng pari may bayad-KBL( kasal binyag libing) bayad ka depende sa klase ng misa. misa sa pista sa baryo malaki ang bayad kaya ambag-ambag ang mga parokyano. minsan ‘pag kursunada ang anak mo, NAKU ‘WAG NA. PINAGAGALITAN O NAGMUMURA pa ‘pag gospel na. TAWAG NATIN SERMON.
    .

    • txtman

      YES WE CAN
      STOP CORRUPTION
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      STAY FOCUS
      NAGLALABASAN NA MGA MEDIA LAPDOGS
      CHIN UP CATHOLICS
      AND SAY “I’M PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC”
      AMEN

      • Crazy_horse101010

        your are not a true catholic you are a fanatic just like the ones who burned 10 year old kids at the stake. i was a catholic and i know catholics including my wife and none are like you you are someone who just wants to babble to everyone a bunch of nonsense

  • http://twitter.com/ZALZANZIBAR ALBERTO ZALAZAR

    Ano ba sa palagay ninyo ang pagkakaiba ng Catholic at ibang reliheyon O secta..?

  • padre_damaso

    interesting, these bishops find the survey unbelievable, but find physics-defying fairy tales in the bible as true. talk about a classic example of irony.

    • rico_mambo

      they will believe only what would suit their interests.

    • Allen Douglas

      Irony? But what is written in the Bible are not based on false survey like sws…..duh

      • Guest

        Oh yeah, of course. The bible tells of talking bushes, water-turning into wine, fish multiplying, rising from the dead, talking snakes.

        Stories that if one encounters in any given day would be quickly branded as “foolish”, but for you and the bishops, it is just having “faith”.

      • Allen Douglas

        Oh yeah, of course you won’t believe that, you’re an agnostic after all….and what a quick way to change your name, padre damaso….haha

      • padre_damaso

        Oh yeah, of course. The bible tells of talking bushes, water-turning into wine, fish multiplying, rising from the dead, talking snakes.

        Stories that if one encounters in any given day would be quickly branded as foolish, but for you and the bishops, it is just having faith.

  • paulmart

    IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO SHOW THEIR UNITED VOICE THIS COMING ELECTION. Lets show to the whole world that there is such thing as Catholic Vote. Now the Catholic Vote is being under estimated. By voting for the three senatorial candidates of the Kapatiran Party and making them win in the senatorial slots we can show to the world that there is a Catholic vote. Let’s all vote for the three candidates of the Kapatiran Party. This party have no money and no machinery, but if Catholics will unite and vote for these candidates and make them win, then we can say that there is really a Catholic Vote. These candidates are all endorsed by the CBCP and the Catholic Laity Communities. Support the Kapatiran Party, and stop voting the TRAPOS who are against the Church and who are anti prolife.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      and the vatican is wondering why millions of people are leaving the church one of the reasons is what you just posted because people are sick and tired of being bullied by the church that and the lies about baby rapers

  • bgcorg

    The sarcastic, negative comments that favor this unbelievable survey are surely fired up by religious bigotry and a skewed appreciation of the facts, only expressed to discredit the Church and the clergy. Even if a small, insignificant percentage of Catholics may not be attending Sunday Mass as devout Catholics are wont to do, it doesn’t mean that they have disavowed their faith. Their motivations and intentions are varied and do not definitely mean that “they” have abandoned their faith as Catholics. Poverty is one of the reasons here. The focus should rather be how to bring back the lukewarm to the active practice of their faith, in this Year of Faith especially, and give opportunities to those who do not have them to partake of the Holy Eucharist at least on Sundays. One of these clear opportunities is the provision of jobs and livelihood and the improvement in the quality of life of Filipinos which the government can do to improve the chances of Catholics to exercise their freedom of worship and religion. On the other hand, there are undeniable developments today in the country that appear to negate the conclusions of the survey.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      you dont need polls to see people in europe america and latin america are leaving the church by the millions, do you think life here is better than the countries in the west who are protestant ive lived there and it is a lot poorer here. how come catholics here impose their rules on other religions. i believe in divorce why do i need some religion still living in the 1500s telling me i cant have one. why do catholics come to public schools and preach to the kids when not everyone there is catholic do you preaching in your own schools. they even grade you here on how religious you are what does that have to do with mah

      • bgcorg

        Faith is a personal response to a free gift that should grow like the mustard seed described in the gospels. If that faith is weak or dying, the person could think about leaving the Church. That is why, efforts are being done so that people may live out their faith! In the end, the freedom of each is secured: no one is forced to believe, but it is the right of anyone to hold out certain candidates to be voted into public service due to their moral stand. Like many kids in school, we should embrace Christ as our personal savior and say with St. Thomas, the Didymus, accepting him to be: “My Lord and my God.”

    • brunogiordano

      ‘…..to improve the chances of Catholics to exercise their freedom of worship and religion.’

      ang mga DAMASOng pari at obispo ang sumisikil sa kalayaan ng mga katoliko to freedom of worship at religion dito sa PILIPINAS dahil ang moralidad ng pilit pa rin itinuturo ay 200 years behind na.

      • bgcorg

        “Lord, give me the courage to change the things that I can change; the patience to accept those that I cannot; and, the wisdom to know the difference.”

  • Paulstronghold

    Maybe the best response they could give is – what are reasons behind? Whether true or not, the dwindling attendees reflects high degree of cynism, hypocrisy and distrust among its followers. Recent years, it is fraught with a lot of consistencies devoid of biblical truths. For example, thet heed their flocks to give to the poor the part of their riches and yet financial institutions revealed Catholic investments and deposit run into almost billion pesos. Not to mention the several properties they owned and the many businesses they operate, and yet they don’t pay a single cent on taxes. I am not against Catholics but on the hierarchy. Most of my friends and business associates are Catholics and they’re good people. I am afraid they’re blinded by some unscrupulous Catholics deacons into believing on something they themselves (deacons and some priests) do not practice. Calling them Damaso simply is an appropriate term.

  • Albert Einstien

    surveys are made to condition the minds of the people ..the way surveys are conducted in our country is like CANCER already….they can brainwash & infect the whole … 1200 CHOSEN respondents can be used to ALTER the 100 million filipinos WILL & CHOICE….. surveys can be used to IMPLEMENT ones agenda…..it is true RCC influence is dwindling due to ADVANCEMENT of science & education..the INTEREST groups multiplied it by a thousand fold..& keep on REPEATING it until their objective to free the RP of RCC influence is achieved……LIES repeated in successive multitudes becomes TRUTH in the eyes of the mesmerized…….like what malaysia did in sabah & sarawak ..they just SURVEYED a few residents ( mostly their political aides ) there and called it ALREADY a referendum…….the whole were NOT given the chance to choose..surveys substituted their WILL & free CHOICE…….the SAME with the ruling POLITICAL class of this country has been using the PAID & scheme laden surveys since 1986…to DEPRIVE the TRUE PEOPLE’s WILL & substitute their own will…

    NO WONDER most of our PEOPLE turned into YELLOW ZOMBIES already…..they substitute surveys to REALITY…even the RESULTS of survey when the unemployed, poor & the hungry…SURVEY says 81% of them are SATISFIED & they are HAPPY to continue with the SAME CALVARY under pnoy’s watch… je je…..PAID surveys..KEEP on REPEATING this…you should be AWARE…to their schemes….in REALITY .only less than 1% of the population of 100 million are ACTUALLY satisfied they are the big businessmen & oligarchy…99% keeps on BECOMING POORER & POORER everyday…they are selling LIES to prevent the unemployed , the poor & the hungry to RISE & TURN AGAINST them that is why EXPECT LIES, LIES & more LIES..in days & years ahead..

    • Jane Tan

      Or… both the survey and the Bishops are telling the truth. I mean… come’on, this is the Philippines – where bandwagon and peer pressure reign supreme. There could be Catholics that secretly don’t want to be Catholics, that are forced to go to Mass. I have to admit that I do invite my friends (who I know are Catholic) to hear Mass, especially during the special days like Easter and Christmas yet they don’t always join.

      • Albert Einstien

        it is true RCC influence is dwindling due to ADVANCEMENT of science
        & education….BUT INTEREST groups multiplied it by a thousand
        fold..& keep on REPEATING it until their objective to free the RP of
        RCC influence is achieved……LIES repeated in successive multitudes
        becomes TRUTH in the eyes of the mesmerized

  • MULEN

    This goes to show that Pope Francis is right. Priests nowadays are far removed from reality because they are well-ensconced behind the walls of comfort and good living. They just see want they want to see, rejecting truth even if it stares them in the face.

  • nuke24

    That is true I’m a catholic, i just go to church just for formality if there is occasion. I pray to god daily but not in church, and i don’t believe on saints because they where just man made. The bible was been edited and corrupted for long time.. eg.. they always changing the teaching of God.. When i first know the MYSTERIES in Holy rosary it was only 3 mystery and now it was 4 of it.. Question is did really god talk to them to change it to 4??? Or they just made it themselves and corrupted the originals for so long..

    • billy gunner

      no u are not a catholic. pakimi ka pa

  • nes911

    Bishops should heed to reality. It is their own doing. Should they stuck to apostolic works at hindi namumulitika, naiwasan siguro ang exodus ng mga katolikong palasimba.

    • padre_damaso

      if the bishops face reality, and the same goes to any religious person for that matter, then that would be the demise of religion.

  • ej1015

    we live in front of St. Jude church here in bacolod city, and every Sunday wla ka nang maririnig na sermon kundi ang team patay at team buhay RH bill and we are sick and tired ofit, it’s better to attend an evangelical church than to wasting my time on this.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      my wife and her friends quit going to church over the same reason

      • txtman

        BAKIT NAMAN KASI HINDI
        EH, MGA LEFTIST GROUP NG MISIS MO
        AHAHAHA
        PITIFUL

    • txtman

      HINDI KA KASI NAKIKINIG SA BINABASANG SALITA NG DIYOS
      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES NOW NA
      STOP CORRUPTION
      AMEN

  • nice_boy

    Who commissioned the survey? When this is answered by the SWS, only then will I decide whether the result is credible or not.

  • Ramil Abalon

    ha ha ha paghindi pa kayo maging matino sa crusada nyo end up losing your battles ha ha ha…look gaano na ngayon ka dami ng mga born again christians…saan galing yan di naman sa INC or Muslim….sa katoliko galing yan….ano ang reason? masyado kayong nakikialam sa politika, wala kayong naitulong sa mga mahihirap…dapat dyan controlin nyo si cruz, capalla at yung mga obispong PCSO. look cardinal tagle…he is most trusted than u bishops…mag survey din kayo at makita nyo….

    • txtman

      SO PAG MAY CORRUPTION – AMEN KA NA LANG?
      BIGYAN KA LANG NG DONASYON LIKE SA INK- OK NA?
      SO KUNG MAY IMMORALITIES- AMEN KA NA LANG?
      AHAHAHAHA
      INENG, YOU HAVE TO REMEBER
      SPIRITUAL & SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES MAGDIKIT YAN
      HINDI PWEDENG RELIGIOUS KA DAW KONO PERO BULAG KA NAMAN SA MGA CORUPTION
      USE YOUR BRAIN
      ONLY A CORRUPT PERSON WILL HATE THAT
      IM SURE ISA KA NA DOON
      PITIFUL
      AHAHAHA

      • Ramil Abalon

        talagang isa ka ngang matalas na myembro ng simbahan…dahil magaling kang mamangka sa dalawang ilog kaya lang bandang mawawalan na kayo ng ksamahan dahil dyan sa paguugali nyong mga obispo na wala namang katuturan….ha ha ha doon sa pablo ano-ano ba ang naitulong nyo doon? sa inyo ba yon o hummihingi din kayo sa iba para sahibihin na sa inyo ok ha ha ha pag goods eh kung pera di ibili na lang ng kotse ha ha ha kawawa ka naman at ganyan ang pananaw mo….

  • marionics

    ahahaha nakabalik na galing sa pagkapako sa krus yung isang topak dito. pero yung isang flip wala pa. nakapako pa siguro.

    pustahan tayo sasagot ang tinamaan o. ang sasagot dito topak hahaha

  • motorcyclemama

    Nagtaka pa kayo? Eh kayo kasi ang numero unong pakialamero sa Gobyerno?

  • penoy2012

    Ibang klase kung gumanti ang malakanyang sa cbcp. Uutusan ang KKK nilang mga survey firms para siraan ang mga bishops na nanindigan versus RH Law, Same-sex marriage, abortions at kamalditahan ni kris.

    • brunogiordano

      RH Law, Same-sex marriage, abortions ay generally acccepted na sa mga bansang
      mataas ang literacy at well informed ang mga mamamayan at hindi 200 years behind ang morality.

  • Joe

    In denial.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.nitschke.35 Peter Nitschke

    As population doubles every 25 years, meaning 64% in 1991 might be the same number of people as 37% today. The headcount could be the same, however in relationship to the percentage to population growth and demographics, it looks like a decline!

  • IronFistAtheos

    wow this is good news! sana maabutan ko yung panahon na majority ng mga pinoy eh hindi na umaasa sa relihiyon at marunong na mag isip para sa sarili nila : )

  • Jomex

    the church is still in denial mode. Denial is the first stage in grieving process. Hopefully they would enter the stage of acceptance. This last stage is very hard. For a triumphalistic religion like the Catholic church who overly emphasize their 2000 year history (at least 1500 years were in the dark ages), they find it very hard to accept the fact that they no longer have control. It still insist on its authority over reason and science. Pope Francis, if he is to be successful in his dialogue with the rest of the world, must concede on many things like its stand on contraception, divorce, abortion, separation of state and church and homosexuality.The rest of the conservative Catholics would not like them of course.

    • txtman

      YES, WE CAN
      CATHOLIC VOTES IS COMING
      HEP! HEP!
      HHURRAYY!
      CATHOLICS JUST IGNORE THE BIASED MEDIA
      MGA BAYARANG LAPDOGS LANG MGA YAN
      PWE
      PITIFUL

    • Filipino_Papist

      The reason the Catholic Church is still around is its opposition to the likes of you who want to drag the rest of the world into chaos. The Church doesn’t commit suicide like you so She survives and thrives.

      You want to kill yourself with the horrific medical consequences of homosexual sex, go do it alone.

      • loneylonski

        Prevent the world to go into chaos? LMAO! Looking back into the past, the Roman Catholic Church was a major (major) factor in the prolongation of the Dark Ages, when there was no (or very very little) development for over a thousand years. (Oh yes, your Church was the culprit why the world was in chaos.)

        So actually, thanks to the people who wants to be free, we are living in a much, much more habitable world than what there was in the past, when the RCC was almighty and powerful.

        P.S.
        The Church surely does not know how to commit suicide, but when it comes to genocide, it’s a different story. The bible is full of it. ;)

      • Filipino_Papist

        You still believe the mythical version of the Middle Ages already debunked by historians, poor you. Quit reading history from people pretending to be professional historians. The Catholic Church gave the world modern science. All legitimate historians testify to that fact.

        Genocide? Hah, the genocide perpetrated by godless men in the 20th century would make all the genocide recorded in the Bible look like frat-related violence. Don’t even get me started on Stalin and Mao.

      • Jomex

        Stalin and Mao were atheists, Hitler was Catholic. but Statlin and Mao ordered killing of millions in the name of Stalinism and Maoism. Hitler ordered killing of Jews in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Mein Kampf he said, “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
        Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
        work of the Lord.” Hitler had a Concordat with Pope Pius XI. A concordat is the equivalent of a treaty when the agreement is between the Catholic Church and a state which is Germany to take control of German education. Even if Stalin, Mao were godless, as you said, they did allow worship of them like gods. Even today, Stalin and Mao are considered gods. There is a cult worship of Stalin and Mao. So its not true that atheism is the cause of it. You are misled my friend.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        AND! lets not ever forget papal infallibility that most catholic dogma stands upon. If the Pope is infallible and is by way of a wink and a nudge okaying Hitler than the catholic god is okaying Hitler. The prosecution rests.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        Relativism is not a valid argument. Stalin and Hitler doesn’t change the fact that the Bible calls for genocide. What about some very good examples of the Church excommunicating scientists that put forward theories that didn’t sit with current dogma. Until the Church couldn’t hold against the weight of time and more science. Then the Infallible Pope whoever it was at the required time in their infallibility change the dogma to suit what the rest of the world had already accepted. If God made the world and the Pope is Gods infallible representative on earth then I would have thought the Pope would know what’s going on before Galileo and Copernicus…not the other way around

      • Filipino_Papist

        Even if the Bible calls for genocide, that doesn’t change the fact that the world is far better off without unbelievers.

        A much habitable world without the Bible? In your dreams!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        Just shows how deluded you are in your idea of non believers. If your argument is that Stalin and Mao are good examples of non believers then I could just as easily argue that the crusaders, the inquisitors and on and on are good examples of believers. Numbers of deaths in all sorts of slaughters have progressively gotten larger mainly due to greater numbers of humans available for slaughter and far more efficient means of dispatching them.

      • Filipino_Papist

        Sure. And basing on the destruction they brought, you are better off with belief.

        Greater number and better means? Please, if you’re so progressive, why still slaughter so much.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        when they removed your brain to wash it did they use a wire brush and how long did they scour it

      • Jomex

        I would rather read Harry Potter books, they have better morality than your bible.

      • Filipino_Papist

        That’s because you probably read the same “history” books as loneylonski.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        and you read the censured bullsh!t the church has deliberately controlled for 1700 years. The progression of the Catholic Church from the Roman empire and it’s pagan gods and rituals is self evident. Anybody without “faith” can see it.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        are you saying john paul the second lied shame on you

      • Josef Hernandez

        The Pope is infallible only in matters of faith and morals but he is not God nor he is a living prophet to know everything even the futuribilias.

      • loneylonski

        LOL! Debunked by historians? Sources please? Sheesh. Are you a priest or something? Twisting facts with fiction is really what the RCC is good at. Good job! lol. Basa-basa din po kasi tayo ng credible sources, no?

      • Filipino_Papist

        Sources? Look up the entry on the Dark Ages in any reliable encyclopedia. Only legitimate historians write entries in encyclopedias. You do know what an encyclopedia is, do you? You won’t find Dan Brown’s sources in there.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        but there is countless other sources that shoot you down including what was written by the scribes at every trial during the inquistion you are like those people who say no jews were killed in ww2. .

      • panhase

        The Catholic Church gave the world modern science? What kind of chemicals are u on? And when you say “all legitimate historians” are there also illegitimate historians? And I guess these “legitimate historians” are the ones who would confirm your one sided view of the world? Yeah, that´s a pretty scientific approach to history.

      • Filipino_Papist

        Ever heard of fake doctors? If so, then are fake historians, or do you prefer “historians.” Dan Brown’s sources for the Da Vinci Code are very good examples.

        The work of legitimate historians make it in encyclopedias. If they happen to confirm my view of the world, eat your heart out.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        people dont want to hear the truth because they dont want their illusions destroyed friedrich nietzsche welcome to the club

      • Jomex

        well, that’s confirmation bias

      • Crazy_horse101010

        even the church admitted the genoclde where have you been in a cave. mao 59 to 70 million dead stalin over 20 milliom dead church 150 american indians over 50 million europeans and hundreds of thousands of jew read your history what historians debunked the inquistion and killing of indians. i havent found one yet

      • Harold T

        Not always so. Galileo said the earth goes around the sun, but the catholic church was shocked and called that heresy. The official position of the church was that the sun goes around the earth. Guess who’s wrong.

      • Jomex

        why do believers equate homosexuality with sex and disease? it baffles the mind as to your fixation on this issue. homosexuals are people too who deserved equality with heterosexuals. get over your hatred of homosexuals my friend.

      • Filipino_Papist

        You should get your mind checked then if you don’t know the natural horrific medical consequences of homosexual sexual acts.

      • Jomex

        NATURAL horrific medical consequences of homosexual acts? what are you talking about? sources please.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        She thrives and survives wherever there is poverty and ignorance. For where poverty goes ignorance strolls along. Catholicisms stronghold across the world is in third world and developing countries where their numbers are hand in glove with poverty. Too continue to thrive it must hope that populations without much hope in this world continue to thrive in numbers. She may yet commit suicide. Show herself for the hypocrite she is by changing dogma to grow numbers of followers (if the usual recruitment areas manage to alleviate enough poverty) or hold tight to her dogma and watch the world rush by. Bit of a rock and a hard place really!

    • loneylonski

      The Catholic Church, if it wants to stay relevant to the society, should reinvent itself to a less-hating religion. Of course, it’s almost impossible since the roots of Christianity is full of hatred and bigotry. Either way, we should push for progressive thinking for humanity’s sake.

      • Filipino_Papist

        Yeah, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and all unbelieving political messiahs, they were progressive in their thinking.

        And, boy, did humanity progress with their thinking.

      • loneylonski

        Funny, Hitler actually expressed support to Christianity (in both words and action).

        Anyway, that’s a really stupid list as it generalizes too much. But since I’m feeling generous, I’m gonna show you a list that the RCC was responsible for: The dark ages, The Crusades, The Inquisition/Witch-Hunt, Thirty-Year’s Wars, blah, blah blah. The saddest part is that this bigotry still remains today. :(

  • IronFistAtheos

    censorship is gay, therefore mod is gay. true story

  • billy gunner

    funny that there are BS surveys like this.

    no wonder people dont believe in surveys anymore! lol

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    marami naman talaga yung nominal catholics (yung mga katoliko na walang pakialam at walang alam). tatlong ulit lang sila sumimba (binyag, kasal at burol)

  • Horst Manure

    Sounds like good news for all, the more this scam is exposed the better and this applies for ALL religions.
    While you have religion you will never have peace.

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    marami naman talaga yung nominal catholics (yung mga katoliko na walang pakialam at walan alam). tatlong ulit lang sila sumimba… binyag, kasal at burol

  • blackshoesbono

    Guess the Bishops again missed the mark with what the survey is saying……. if they haven’y noticed…. the statistics is in percentage (i.e. from 64% in 1991 to 37 recently). Thus if the population of Catholics then in 1991 is 1000 (example), 64% or 640 goes to Church, and assuming the Catholic population quadrupled to 4000 today, this then means that 1,480 (37%) of Catholics goes to Church today. Although that is more than 130% increase in Church goers (the probable reason visually more parishes are created), THE FACT REMAINS THAT ONLY 37% OF THE TOTAL CATHOLIC POPULATION ARE ACTUALLY ATTENDING MASS. I think rather than discount the result of the survey, the Church should consider this as a wake-up call….

  • paulapaula

    Im not that religious person, but really i observe that every Sunday Mass, napupuno talaga ang church, meron pa nga mga nakatayo sa loob and labas ng church eh. Na- tatraffic pa din sa labas ng Mindanao Ave. (QC). Years before hindi ako or my family palasimba…but now while u mature, mas nagiging deep ang faith mo. So parang baligtad ata yun survey..hehehe #justsaying

  • Jomex

    The problem with the Catholic Church, actually with any other religion, is that it is a reactionary church. This is what driving Catholics away from their church. This weird reaction to this survey is just one of them. Any form of criticism is always translated as an attack on the Church.

  • Jerry

    Reality check! Don’t be blind to the fact that this is really what’s happening. Instead of contesting the FACTS, concretely do something to win back your flocks.

  • joerizal

    Simbarkada at Simbabae lang naman ang habol ng mga pumupunta sa misa. Quality versus Quantity dapat ang tinitingnan diyan. Isangdamukal nga ang nagsisimba pero kahit isa walang nagdadasal at nakikinig sa sermon…wala rin.

    • brunogiordano

      ang alam ng mga kabataan pagdating sa parte ng sermon ng misa, uwian na.

      at tila iyon ang sinusunod na ng marami dahil tapos na silang magdasal sa kanilang diyos.

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    let’s make the world a better place. let’s get rid of religious bigotry

    • Josef Hernandez

      so you can do what you want?

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        not really. we will act and behave as rational human beings. humans can be good without religion and even without believing in a god. rationality is far better than the morals devised by bronze-age middle-eastern goat herders. man’s morality has progressed that it already view slavery as evil. it already view women are human beings and not property. it already view that color of the skin does not determine the man’s character. it already determined the universal human rights. even the right to have a religion where everybody is free to practice their own beliefs. we respect your right to practice your religion.

      • Josef Hernandez

        ooops. the determination of good and evil is morality’s concern… so how would you know whether you are doing good or evil without any moral standards? moral standards which based on reason and based on “our belief in the Eternal Law”… I think your proposal would cause chaos. Since our reason works in different ways..Yes, without the belief in God moral standards are absurd. But because we believe in God, we have the duty to worship him privately and publicly and even to follow his Laws… and we can only fulfill these through religion… a system that would protect the faith we believe in…. religion cannot stand without morality and vice versa…

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        there is no such thing as eternal law… the religionist just made that up. since, it cannot be proven empirically that a god exist, it automatically follows that man made up the morals and they are evolutionary. they are primarily based on their understanding of the society and what is hard-wired in their brain, again a product of evolution. good and evil are conventions that man set to have a civilized society. we have outgrown the moral standard set by the religionists that condones slavery and genocide. do you wish to return to those moral standards?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

        morals are what is accepted as correct behaviour by a community. It is a general consensus of individuals about what is right and wrong. There is more reason for me to be against murder because i don’t want my family or myself to be murdered than for me to be against it because a non existent diety says so. The argument by Mr Hernandez is one that is trotted out frequently by the warriors of the church. It implies that without God and religion we would all still be murdering raping pillaging all day everyday. A ludicrous proposition and in fact one that is insulting to all humans.

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        very true. i don’t believe in the god of the bible, but you will not see torturing people just because they don’t believe as i believe unlike what the catholic did during the inquisition. you will not see me murdering people just because of my belief unlike what the catholics did during the crusades. you will not see me burning people just because they are against my belief unlike what the catholics did when they burned witches and heretics. the moral standards of the catholics stinks.

      • frudo

        i do believe in the God of the Bible, pero ang pagkakaiba wala na ko religion, pero kailangan ko sambahin ang Creator ko,

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        but how did you know that the god of the bible is your creator? why not brahma, vishnu and shiva of the hindus? or pangu of the chinese? why not ahura mazda and angra mainyu of zoroasterism?

      • frudo

        i dont care about other gods, iisa lang ang Dios i do respect other belief, basta ang ayoko lang ang relihiyon nakikialam sa Gobyerno at ginagamit ang lakas sa pagiimpluensya, kung aetheist ka or ano ka pa man, okey lang sakin basta mabuhay lang tayo ng maayos at di nanakit ng kapwa, anyway Dios nman ang hahatol satin, basta naniniwala ako ng may Creator ako

      • Josef Hernandez

        old anecdote na ‘to… can you empirically observe your own brain? can you touch it? feel it? smell it? see your actual brain? If yes, well and good perhaps you really have a brain… but if not… payag ka bang wala kang utak? So it is a weak argument na sabhing God does not exist just because he is not a palpable reality to you! so dahil hindi mo maprove sakin na hindi nageexist ang Diyos, bumalik ka at sumagot ka ditto ulit with a strong argument na walang Diyos… dahil mahuna ang una mong argumento and everything sa last part ng argument ay invalid for me…. because ang premise mo hindi mo pa maprove na tama…

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        anecdote? what i’m saying is not based on somebody else experience… they are verifiable facts.

        yes, we can empirically observe our brain. oh, you don’t know that we don’t directly use our senses to observe the brain. we use instruments like ct-scan and magnetic resonance imaging. have you ever heard about that?

        yes, you have a different sense of reality where you live in a delusion that there is an invisible pixie in the sky. it is not for me to prove that he doesn’t exist. no one can disprove something that is imaginary. it is for you to prove that he exist. how about giving your best argument for your god’s existence? you have any?

      • Josef Hernandez

        First Way: The Argument From Motion

        St. Thomas Aquinas, studying the works of the Greek philsopher Aristotle, concluded from common observation that an object that is in motion (e.g. the planets, a rolling stone) is put in motion by some other object or force. From this, Aquinas believes that ultimately there must have been an UNMOVED MOVER (GOD) who first put things in motion. Follow the agrument this way:

        1) Nothing can move itself.

        2) If every object in motion had a mover, then the first object in motion needed a mover.

        3) This first mover is the Unmoved Mover, called God.

        Second Way: Causation Of Existence

        This Way deals with the issue of existence. Aquinas concluded that common sense observation tells us that no object creates itself. In other words, some previous object had to create it. Aquinas believed that ultimately there must have been an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE (GOD) who began the chain of existence for all things. Follow the agrument this way:

        1) There exists things that are caused (created) by other things.

        2) Nothing can be the cause of itself (nothing can create itself.)

        3) There can not be an endless string of objects causing other objects to exist.

        4) Therefore, ther must be an uncaused first cause called God.

        Third Way: Contingent and Neccessary Objects

        This Way defines two types of objects in the universe: contingent beings and necessary beings. A contingent being is an object that can not exist without a necessary being causing its existence. Aquinas believed that the existence of contingent beings would ultimately neccesitate a being which must exist for all of the contingent beings to exist. This being, called a necessary being, is what we call God. Follow the argument this way:

        1) Contingent beings are caused.

        2) Not every being can be contingent.

        3) There must exist a being which is necessary to cause contingent beings.

        4) This necessary being is God.

        Fourth Way: The Agrument From Degrees And Perfection

        St. Thomas formulated this Way from a very interesting observation about the qualities of things. For example one may say that of two marble scultures one is more beautiful than the other. So for these two objects, one has a greater degree of beauty than the next. This is referred to as degrees or gradation of a quality. From this fact Aquinas concluded that for any given quality (e.g. goodness, beauty, knowledge) there must be an perfect standard by which all such qualities are measured. These perfections are contained in God.

        Fifth Way: The Agrument From Intelligent Design

        The final Way that St. Thomas Aquinas speaks of has to do with the observable universe and the order of nature. Aquinas states that common sense tells us that the universe works in such a way, that one can conclude that is was designed by an intelligent designer, God. In other words, all physical laws and the order of nature and life were designed and ordered by God, the intellgent designer.

      • taga_ilog

        Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. Genesis 19:32-36

        here is a sample of your morality then.

      • jpeter262

        That is a classical example of how human being accepted different
        degree of morality. All the people of Sodom and Gomorrah died because of their practices. Because of righteous Lot, his family was saved, though the wife turned into pillar of salt when she look back along the way. Out of that place the two daughters continued the kind of morality they grow up with.

        Our present society is not far off from Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodomites are acceptable practice now and we will be punished if we go against it. Not only the Catholics where accused of their practices, other Ministers of other religion as well.

        “Sin is the transgression of the law”.

        We are consider good if we follow the law and bad if we do the opposite.

      • Josef Hernandez

        The Bible depicts immorality not as directive but to expose what should not be done… I studied exegesis… do not play with the bible just to support your irrational claims

      • taga_ilog

        then you wasted your time “studying”.that answer is not a new one, so how will you explain god killing 42 children because they called elisha bald? and btw, those are not irrational claims,. will you call what they did moral?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “so how would you know whether you are doing good or evil without any moral standards?”

        i believe his answer was ‘human rational thinking.’

        You can be a good person even if you do not believe in the RC God. Can you prove otherwise that an atheist/agnostic is any worse, when it comes to treating his fellow man?

        I know of some religions who hails from ‘The God of Abraham’ who kills other people in his name, and that includes the RCC. So it cannot be any worse than people who have no such beliefs.

      • Josef Hernandez

        who determines what is rational? who determines that it is truly human?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        really?

        who determines morality?

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        not really. we will act as rational human beings. humans can be good without religion and even without believing in a god. rationality is far better than the morals devised by bronze-age middle-eastern goat herders. man’s morality has progressed that it already view slavery as evil. it already view women are human beings and not property. it already view that color of the skin does not
        determine the man’s character.

  • upupperclassman

    Catholic church is like an ostrich. What it does not like to hear or see is unbelievable and not true.

  • kishbuff

    GUMISING NA KAYO, TEAM TATAY!

  • Pert Cabatana

    The reason why our churches and masses are overflowing is because we have a severe shortage of priests and churches. Philippines has 5X the number of Catholics in India, yet India has 3X the number of priests than in PH. (note too, that because India has a lot more priests than the Philippines, India has 8 Cardinals while PH has only 3.). Similarly, the US also has less catholics than PH, but the number of priests and parishes in the US are much higher than that of PH (as a result, they also have about 10 Cardinals). Our Catholic hierarchy, instead of getting defensive, should address head-on the problem of poor effectiveness of their job resulting from the severe shortage of priests and parishes. It’s good , as pointed out by Yamsuan, that more parishes are being established. However, the rate of increase in the number of parishes, and the rate of increase in the number of priests are way below what our country needs. Religion is a very personal thing, thus direct person-to-person contact between minister and parishioner is very important. I am happy that Pope Francis is demonstrating through his own actions the importance of person-to-person contact. Our Bishops should work harder on producing more priests and building more churches in order to be more effective in their job by having more person-to-person contacts.

  • http://twitter.com/islander7107 david caloza

    Unbelievable? Is not Judas 1 of 12. 1 of 11 is close enough!

  • Pert Cabatana

    The reason why our churches and masses are overflowing is because we have a severe shortage of priests and churches. Philippines has 5X the number of Catholics in India, yet India has 3X the number of priests in PH. (note too, that because India has a lot more priests than the Philippines, India has 8 Cardinals while PH has only 3.). Similarly, the US also has less catholics than PH, but the number of priests and parishes in the US are much higher than that of PH (as a result, they also have about 10 Cardinals). Our Catholic hierarchy, instead of getting defensive, should address head-on the problem of poor effectiveness of their job resulting from the severe shortage of priests and churches. It is good that, as mentioned by Yamsuan, that more parishes are being established. But the rate of increase in parishes and priests are way below what our country needs given our huge population. Religion is a very personal thing, thus direct person-to-person contact between minister and parishioner is very important. I am happy that Pope Francis is demonstrating through his own actions the importance of person-to-person contact. Our Bishops should work harder on producing more priests and building more churches in order to be more effective.

  • UrHONOR

    CAN very well be featured in that old, defunct show of THAT’S INCREDIBLE!

    *****VIENNA—Austrian prosecutors on Tuesday charged a 79-year-old former priest of sexually abusing 15 students at a Benedictine monastery between 1973 and 1993

    ============================================

    *****priest franco decaminada stole 5.1 million dollars from a catholic hospital . he had been stealing the workers wages for months they went to the vatican for help but it refused so they went to the police. 1500 peoples wages for 8 months. the hospital is now insolvent, this was in rome. this week cnn joseph gallagher and mark gaspar are 2 of 26 priest suspended after 2011 grand jury investigation into archdiese handling of sex abuse allegations this happened in penns. usa Sun star apr. 2 2013

  • johnlagrimas

    Slap this news to the one who wrote that news yesterday. These people are out there just wanting to attack the Catholic Church in whatever ways they can. And they have Celdran and other brainless mammals as their prophets. Celdran is nothing and all of his words are as filth as his mouth.

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. Pagbigyan mo na. Takot lang sila sa Catholic Vote.

      If they are not afraid, this will not be in the news. Even Inquirer is very concerned now.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    Separation of church and state.

    Give unto PCSO ….nevermind

  • brunogiordano

    Peachy Yamsua, Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, Msgr. Clemente Ignacio, Bishop Dinualdo Gutierrez, Bishop Honesto Ongtioco at Bishop TXTMAN, magkakasama siguro sa workshop kung papaano sumagot sa mga FORA.

    Kapuna puna na iisa ang habi ng kanilang mga sagot at pangagatwiran.

  • honest man

    Hello!

  • Josef Hernandez

    Debotong Katoliko? Madami pa din yan. Sus… nauto nyo siguro mga nominal catholics ang nasurvey nyo….

  • Albert Einstien

    .SURVEYS of 1200 respondents as substitute to WILL &free CHOICE of 100,000,000 million people….what a scam……TALO pa PYRAMIDING SCAMS nyan..weekly nga nagbabago RESULTS nila…… .lol

    the CHURCH & well meaning POLITICIANS should PUSH for a LAW that SURVEYS made within 2 years from election period should be at least 55% of voting population …or they just push for banning surveys within 2 year prior to election…& if they release satisfaction rating at least 60% of total population…

    it’s true maybe the RCC influence is dwindling due to ADVANCEMENT of science
    & education….BUT INTEREST groups multiplied it by a thousand
    fold..& keep on REPEATING it until their objective to free the RP of
    RCC influence is achieved……LIES repeated in successive multitudes
    becomes TRUTH in the eyes of the mesmerized..

    • superpilipinas

      It is not due to advancement in science and education. It is due to increase in liberalism.

      he-he-he. liberalism which supports abortion, divorce, same-sex marriage, extra-marital sex, is very appealing to the undisciplined and the carefree. These are not much different to illegal drug use and alcohol addiction……not science and education.

      • Albert Einstien

        ok…. liberalism by education ( like the earth is NOT square ) & science ( trillions of planets & stars not only earth & mount sinai where we can find god. & bacteria & virus cause sickness , so as earthquakes caused by movement of plates…..etc….not DIVINE wand ) …lol

        Jesus Christ NOT BORN on DECEMBER 25 — Pope Benedict
        he he..400 years na natin sini-CELEBRATE ang CHRISTMAS….mali pala..mas sure feb 14..araw ng mga puso…kesa christmas…

        “The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church.”

        ― Ferdinand Magellan

    • buttones

      That maybe true of religion generally, education can be a very
      dangerous thing, but it was religion after all that brought us education,
      schools, an introduction to the sciences, but it might be the students have now
      left their teachers so far behind- years ago questions of ‘How’ and ‘Why’ were
      frowned upon and simply directed to Biblical verse for an explanation. “Where
      did we come from?” [a Stone Age question] “Adam and Eve” will be the answer and
      some irritating student on the back row will put his hand up and ask “Can you
      expand on that professor?” Of course the poor professor can’t, it’s just a
      question of faith and belief. Religion is in that wonderful position of being
      able to claim things that cannot be proven nor can they be disproven also. And
      so the debate goes on and on and on….

      • Albert Einstien

        theology professor said…give them the blank wall boy ..if you dont know the ANSWER…..lol

        just like a justice said in trial technique……found on the table REPEATEDLY boy if you dont have facts & law in your favor…so that you can bill your client handsomely..lol

  • whyinthisworld

    That is the problem of “free style system” or “it’s up to you” or “you are on your own” In other words, it all depend on us wether we want to go to church or not. No wonder, one day majority of catholics will leave out for a new religion that preaches the real gospel of god.

    • superpilipinas

      yeah one day…..he-he-he…..it’s been centuries…..so World War 5 will probably happen first….and there will be 5 people left in the world.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. It’s so AWESOME when the Catholic Church is in the news. No matter how these hopeless people try to bring it down, the Church just gets better. These people are just raising the influence of the Church.

    Why is this article coming out at this time?
    Simply because the hopeless are afraid of the Catholic Vote.

    • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

      Catholic vote is like a unicorn, doesn’t exist. there’s only Iglesia vote. and these freaks are growing fast in number

  • Magsasaka

    the only time those damasos will believe is if they have no more to eat because nobody si giving abuloy anymore.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. Sino ang malakas na sumuporta sa pagsibak ng diktadura ni Marcos…..ang Simabahan Katoliko at CBCP!

    Kung hindi dahil sa Simbahang Katoliko, si Imelda and prime minister at si Bongbong ang presidente.

    Dahil sa mga Katoliko, ang EDSA revolution ay naging bloodless.

    • Albert Einstien

      partly correct …simbahan ang nagpumilit I-UPO si CORY……si ramos ang nakatakdang magiging presidente na GUSTO ng superpowers ng 1986…..yun BLOODLESS revolution GAWA-GAWA lang COUP PLOT talaga yun…DEUTERIUM ang dahilan…kelangan REVOLUTION ang tawag kasi CONSTITUIONAL PRESIDENT si marcos..kelangan nila LEGALLY I-DISSOLVE ang constituion para me LEGAL COLOR ang pag-upo ni cory…at TANGGAPIN ng WORLD COMMUNITY…declarado kasi si marcos na presidente ng congreso…

      CORY was merely an accidental president USA wanted originally RAMOS to be the next caretaker president….in 1983 when aquino died ( NINOY rumoured as both CIA agent & communist stooge………. “ In my capacity as general secretary of the Movement for the Advancement of Nationalism (MAN) and chairman of the Kabataang Makabayan (KM), I met Ninoy Aquino as senator in the late 1960s. We discussed how to oppose Marcos. Since then, Ninoy and I had become friends. “ -JOMA SISON…….CPP-NPA & MNLF were established in 1968..same time 1968 NINOY divulged the plan of MARCOS SECRET PLAN to claim SABAH ) CIA was infuriated SUDDENLY ( cover story ) foreign banks stopped granting loans to the Philippine government & AMERICAN INVESTMENTS withdrawn…FDI’s stop coming in….” the state, Defense. CIA. Everybody wanted to bring him down. But Reagan, they had a close personal relationship, MARCOS won “With the election, a lot of people felt that he lost. You know, he won. In my view, he really won,” Ongpin said ………………………….

      in fact during SNAP election marcos won over cory he got 10.8 million votes while cory ONLY got 9.2 million votes ….who says marcos cheated….. namfrel & technicians.. but who handled them ? who feeds them the data ?…. why US senator LUGAR & 44 americans were here during elections ? why CIA was here ? election OBSERVERS or more than observers.. ? MARCOS was a victim of ECONOMIC assassins………………….and why BOSSWORTH & HABIB forced marcos to signed five decrees..Marcos signed the five presidential decrees as did Bosworth and Habib, as witnesses. When the Americans were about to leave, the President said, “You know, gentlemen, it has come to my attention that there’s a coup plot being hatched.” The two were stunned.
      “Mr. President, we know nothing about this,” Habib said. “Why would we go through with this charade?” ( as ongpin admitted & witnessed 2/25/13 pdi )……………………..

      LO & BEHOLD….cory govt. US & KKKs ALMOST painted her as saint ..talked about DEUTERIUM ALREADY barely a WEEK after into office in march 1986 DUTERIUM is the IMMEDIATE SUBECT MATTER of CORY govt. & US govt….NO longer be SURPRISED people the AGREEMENT is whatever the INVESTORS WANT…40-40-20 & they will be buying at 40% DISCOUNT…..if you will research further you will see that SUPERPOWERS sent mission for deuterium here in RP on june 1986..they talked again on SEPT 1986, then DECEMBER 1986, & FEB 1987….but young blood in AFP knows …rightist MILITARY became UNSETTLED the left became powerful in cory govt ….there is only chaos ahead.. superpowers suspended interest in deuterium….

      If the superpowers ALLOWED marcos to continue & he produced deuterium.. in 1981-83…our INITIAL production output is 12 million barrels a day multiply it by $7 per barrel ..that is $ 31 billon already ( now it $62 billion at a minimum…by $7 a barrel ..but ..OIL now is 90-97 per barrel already….the estimate then per year if we price it by oil price TODAY…. is close to $ 700 billion a year ….ALREADY….& is an UNLIMITED RESOURCE that’s how LUCKY we are……… ) ..in JUST FEW MONTHS TIME we are FREED from poverty.. MARCOS was a victim of ECONOMIC HITMEN…the SHARING AGREEMENT is so DISADVANTAGEOUS to the FILIPINO people that is why MARCOS made a PATRIOTIC stand against the interest of SUPERPOWER..MARCOS wanted a SHARING AGREEMENT of 80% to RP & 20% to INVESTORS & they will buy it at MARKET PRICE……while the superpowers want a 40-40-20 agreement & at same time the INVESTORS will be buying the deuterium at almost 60% of the Fair market price….HOWEVER they TOPPLED marcos in feb.25, 1986 their cover story is BLOODLESS REVOLUTION…..

      MY PROPOSAL : We can produce & extract DEUTERIUM for FREE…. there is no need for 40/40/20 , 50/30/20 or 80-20 sharing .ALL we have to do is OFFER the investor group of allied nations/multinational corps. ( either NATO or BRICS ) the ” RIGHT to BUY ” a small portion of daily production ..or a 10% DISCOUNT of daily price per barrel …so that the resource can be fully utilized by the world.

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      There’s a flaw with that kind of argument.

      I mean, bakit naghintay pa ng 20+ years ang “Simbahang Katoliko at CBCP” bago kumilos sa pagsibak sa diktadura ni Marcos? Makapangyarihan ang RCC, according sa iyo.

      Just asking. TY

    • Mr Moonlight

      thats true but that was long time ago and Cardinal Sin was the moving force, Today the CBCP is being run by sickos and perverts

    • frudo

      at kung hindi rin hinaharang ng cbcp ang rh bill baka hindi over populated ang Pinas ngayon wala rin siguro nagkalat na batang nakahubo at namamalimos sa lansangan

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. You can’t reply to comment directly so you changed the topic but anyway….

        RH promotes condoms and uses hard working people’s tax money for people who can’t control themselves to fffck anytime. The problem is that even with RH, even more people will be encouraged to fffck like dogs and cats. Undisciplined people are mostly the lazy and irresponsible, the addicts, and the alchoholics. And when these people are drunk or drugged or lazy and irresponsible, they will not use condoms anyway. So there goes your 3 Billion pesos every year.

      • frudo

        anyway late na rin ang rh bill kasi kakakontra ng cbcp over populated na PInas kaya need na ng malaking pondo para dito, kasi naman nagpa uto ang mga Pinoy sa mga aral ng cbcp tungkol sa natural na family planning method na hindi nman naging effectibo, neeed tuloy now na gumastos ng 3 billion pesos everyday, naniwala ba nman sa mga aral ng mga walang experience sa pag papamilya kaya sablay

  • bjornshawn

    I’m not a big fan of the catholic church myself but I think they have a point when you consider our population in 1991 compared today. A difference of what, 20M? But I agree with the majority of the comments here. Catholicism, or any religion for that matter, is losing its popularity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/moncsj.moncsj Moncsj Moncsj

    Now everyone is questioning opinion surveys by SWS (and its sister-in-trade Pulse Asia). Very soon, we will all realize that these surveys are paid activities by people with specific objectives in re-casting public opinion for political gains. At the moment, there is an apparent political need to portray a weakened Church owing to its RH opposition and its concomittant opposition to administration lawmakers who favored the RH law. Even if we were to discount the quantitative measures brought out by the survey, we should all be asking — WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS SURVEY? Is it to show that the Catholic Church is not as influential as the public used to think? The timing of the survey says as much about the people who paid SWS as the opinion it wanted to impart to our people.

  • Harold T

    Perhaps 64% in 1991 is more or less the same when you say 37% in the present day. What was the population in 1991 and today? If you say there are 85% catholic population, putting it at 100 million, there are 85 million catholic. 37% goes to mass means 31.5 million go to mass. In 1991, population was 63 million. With 85% catholic and 64% of them going to mass, then the number in 1991 is 34 million. So guess what, the number actually decreased by 3 million today. Those who don’t go to mass in 1991 (36%) was 19 million. Those not going to mass today (63%) has also ballooned to 53.5 million.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    Grow up, people. there’s no such thing as unicorn. Welcome, secular Philippines.

  • UrHONOR

    NO NEED to dissect or analyze to death the result of the survey. It does not proclaim the end of the world. Ang siste lang, e, BIRA-pa-ng-BIRA, hirit-pa-ng-hirit, at ilag-pa-ng-ilag ang mga TNL na mga serbidores, skaristan, at acolytes ng mga Damaso, e, SAPUL-na-SAPUL na naman sa yagbadoodles. Face and accept the TRUTH….that’s the hallmark of not only a Christian but more so of a jentolmen. Dura veritas, sed veritas.

    Pag napatid na minsan sa bato, maaaring sisihin ang bato. Pero kung pa-ulit-ulit na napapatid sa parehong bato, hindi na masisisi pa ang bato…yong napapatid na ang may deperensya. Katatapos lang ng usapin tungkol sa Rh bill at hindi makapaniwala ang mga TNl na matitigas an ulo…at kung ano-ano pang pagproprotesta ang pinaggagawa na wala namang patutunguhan kundi ang pagpapakita ng kakitiran ng pag-iisip. Heto na naman ngayon ang isa pang paksa na SURVEY lang naman, e, NAGTITILI ng parang mga inaheng di ma-itlog ang mga TNL na mga pekeng kaTOLiks (kuno) na akala mo, e, pinuputulan na ng kanilang mga ANO sa pagtatanggol ng kanilang mga kapitolyo’t bersikulo at pagtutunghayaw sa mga nakikibalita. Dyan malalaman ang pagkakaiba ng Cathlolics sa kaTOLiks. Yong huli ay yong mga nagpapanggap na Catholic na sa buong akala nila ay nakakasindak at nakaka-impress sa kabila ng malaganap at naglalakihang mga BALITA tungkol sa kawalang-hiyaang nagawa at patuloy na ginagawa ng mga “alagad” ng pananalig. ULTIMO so RATZY nga, e, nag-resign dahil hindi na nya masikmura ang nangyayari sa RCCh, e, tapos itong mga ragtag army of kaTOLiks, e, kung ano-ano pang pinagbibira tungkol sa kani-kanilang paniwala sa sarili nilang kaTOLisisim. PSHAW!!!

  • sanjuan683

    Mahina ang FAITH ng mga bishop Damaso at Paring Damaso kaya hindi sila naniniwala sa survey. hahahahahahahahahaha Lakasan ninyo ang FAITH ninyo kasi karamihang ng mga miembro ninyo nasa kulungan na.

  • Geno Martinez

    Hahahaha really? The Church demands EVIDENCE?! THE IRONY!

    • Albert Einstien

      sabihin ng SWS ..church parehas lang tayo

      SWS wil give them their own dose of medicine…………BLANK WALL & DIVINE PLAN…..lol

  • Dew Fee

    Today: 90Mill Pinoys x 80% Catholics x 37% who regularly attend mass = 27 mill
    1991: 66mill Pinoys x 80% Catholics x 64% who regularly attend mass = 18 mill

    There are more churchgoers now than in 1991 but there is a larger percentage of people now who dont go regularly to mass compared to 1991.

    The RH law would indeed hurt the Catholic Church!

  • Guest

    Dont believe on SWS survey… who pay for this survey???? offcourse TEAM PATAY…

    • Mr Moonlight

      GMA fanatic

    • frudo

      offcourse TEAM TATAY

  • antiscam

    The assertion of the Archdiocese on why there are more churches being built despite survey results revealing dwindling attendance is easy to answer : explosive population growth of Filipinos. Absolute numbers have increased but the percentage attending church have decreased. So do not wonder why the Catholic Church is against the RH Bill. They dont care about feeding and educating excess people as long as their churches get filled with people and of course tithes and income.

    • Ph3n0M47

      dude…you hit the nail right on the head. I wish more people would actually listen and see the smoke and mirrors act for what it is

  • Alajero

    …30M more Filipinos in 2012 compared to 1991…which just goes to show that the church lost one believer for every three person born…the effectiveness of the church dwindles as the population goes up….there is not just enough resources to save souls…

  • http://www.facebook.com/pat.apot.98 Pat Apot

    we don’t have to look far, just watch the people going to baclaran church and compare it with the so called survey. see if the people going in there are fewer than before.

  • Harold T

    Population 1991: 63M. 85% catholic equals 53.5M. 64% attend mass equals 34.27M.

    Population 2012: est. 100M. 85% catholic equals 85M. 37% attend mass equals 31.45M

    It’s not much. But it is a decrease. What is full capacity in churches each mass? Or at least, what is the average capacity of all catholic churches? 1,000? 500? 250? 150? No figures found. How many catholic churches or parishes in the whole country? No certain numbers found. But would it be possible to fit all 31.45 million people in all the parishes in 6 to 8 scheduled masses on any given Sunday? Something to think about.

  • kilabot

    which is believable?
    1) church goers increasing;
    2) sws dependable and accurate;
    3) hiv/aids due perverts increased 25%;
    4) boc under biazon met all collection targets.
    and you say?

  • island hopper

    The Catholic Church should stop meddling with politics…then people like me will go back to the church….instead of being alarmed by the survey and trying to do something about it, they say “unbelievable”……. I don’t know really but catholic teaching tells us to be humble…

  • frudo

    ang totoo walang katolik vote. tama na ang argumento di dapat nagpapagamit ang mga relihiyon sa mga korrupt na politician, diba inc at quiboloy at iba pa?

  • AntiAko

    If the churches are filling up and parishes are set up, that only goes to show the effect of unabated population growth.

    If there are 70 Million Filipino catholics now, i think the bishops should try to have a survey to see how many of them go to church on Sundays. Or try to project the number of churches actually needed to cater to even half of that number and compare with the actual number of churches now. In that way, a real picture is obtained at hindi na kailangan pa ang “unbelievable” statements.

  • penoykaw

    If indeed, it is true, why so much concern about our church? The more you attack the church, the more its members will close ranks and VOTE as one. Its the only issue that matters to you.

    • frudo

      walang umaatake illusion mo lang yan

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

    Catholic saints….just an invention by the romans to replace their plethora of gods for every reason and purpose when they took on Christianity. catholic feasts and rituals….most taken from pagan religions…its a joke…but a good one and probably the longest lasting the world will ever see

  • Allen Douglas

    and who would believe this supposed survey? Pnoy and his Malacanang Communication Group? And coming from sws? nah

  • boldyak

    ang daming naiingit sa mga katoliko….hahahaha…mamatay lang kayo sa inggit…sige siraan nyo pa…

  • paulmart

    IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO SHOW THEIR UNITED VOICE THIS COMING ELECTION. Lets show to the whole world that there is such thing as Catholic Vote. Now the Catholic Vote is being under estimated. By voting for the three senatorial candidates of the Kapatiran Party and making them win in the senatorial slots we can show to the world that there is a Catholic vote. Let’s all vote for the three candidates of the Kapatiran Party. This party have no money and no machinery, but if Catholics will unite and vote for these candidates and make them win, then we can say that there is really a Catholic Vote. These candidates are all endorsed by the CBCP and the Catholic Laity Communities. Support the Kapatiran Party, and stop voting the TRAPOS who are against the Church and who are anti prolife.

    • indiosbravos2002

      If there is a Catholic vote, sure win na yang proposal mo but there is none, and the priest can talk 24/7 about it and they will just be disappointed, humbled and humiliated in the end. In elections, money talks and the bobotante listens.

  • potsandpans

    My good Bishop it is something that you have to beleive on. this is a wake-up call.

    How do you suppose the INC, Ang dating Daan, Christian Churches, etc. are multiplying? para na silang mga kabute na tumutubo kung saan-saan.

    When was the Last time that you guys (bishops and Priests) went on a House to House visit?
    When was the last time that you Catechise in a public school? i mean the real priests. mukhang nakikita lang kayo ng mga bata on their First Communion.
    Even in the slum areas, yes you go there but only to hold a mass, who does the real work out there?
    Wake-up my Good Bishops and face reality.

    • indiosbravos2002

      Agree. Saan kukuha ng converts yong ibang christian sects kung hindi sa RC. Priests are lazy just because their perception of people leaving is not yet at bleeding point, eh wala na silang paki. The fact is its only the tip of the iceberg, once that gain momentum in a decade’s time majority of the poularion will be Christian but not Catholic.

  • disqusted0fu

    The Bishops should know better. No one should be affected by these survey results because it is a business at the end of the day. It is used by those who are wealthy and influential to try to sway the public’s minds to their favor.

  • linobog

    Let’s avoid being a KBL catholic (kasal, binyag at libing lang magsimba). Let’s do our best to be real catholics,…. by preaching and practicing what we believe in.

  • JIMBOYPALABOY

    cbcp, dapat na gumising na kayo. wag na kayong magbulagbulagan sa katotohanan. huwag ng tutulog tulog sa kumbento. kailangan mag isip ng paraan para muling mapalapit sa simbahan ang mga katoliko. marami naman magaling na pari gaya ni nina father jerry orbos . kaya lang mas nakikita ng mga tao iyong mga gawaing mali tulad ng mitsubishop nabigyan lang ng sasakyan kala moy abogado na ng mga politiko

  • Pepe Smith

    The catholic church has continued to ignore the true fact, more and more people are leaving the church and now they are denying it.

  • marienkind

    Interesting that they pointed out the mall masses. it’s the existence of those that prove that it’s now up to the Church to move towards the people and not the other way around because otherwise they’d be out of practitioners soon.

  • Janch

    Marami pa ring Katoliko pero kokonti na lang ang nagsisimba.

  • JV Salud

    I share the disenchantment of many Catholics from the Philippine Catholic hierarchy.

  • chitetskoy

    hindi lahat ng sumisimba Dios ang kinakatagpo. minsan siyota.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      at hindi naman lahat ng nagsisimba ay naniniwala sa patakaran ng cbcp, diba.

  • JosengSisiw1

    Unbelievable? CBCP should use a calculator. As of 2011, the estimated catholics in the Phils. is 76 million. Even if all the churches conduct 4 masses on Sundays they will not be able to accomodate even half of these people. That means the building of new churches and the full churches on Sundays cannot be used to disclaim the dwindling number of their flocks.

  • robin

    I never thought more and more of Filipinos are like me, I stopped believing capacity of our church to really teach spirituality and religion,They’re image in our country is like a political party that always threatened politician and dictate them accordance to what they want for our country to move forward into.. Were always going backward if they keep doing what they’re doing. .. They been meddling in our politics, dictating our politician, some even jump into politics, you have paranoid running priest communist pa ata nakiki-rally pa it just too much to chew. So now im like catholic by birth and name but not practicing it.. I learned it while being away from Philippines being rational thought me of respecting others religion and the importance of separating affairs of nation and religion.

  • Bibiano Ngo

    Tomorrow I will start reading the Koran..

  • Mang Teban

    Why almost everybody in this forum is anxious of the SWS survey on Catholics? I can see that more anti-Catholics want to know if the SWS survey results are indeed accurate than Catholics.

    Why should Catholics even care or be bothered?

    But, just to respond to the wild speculations of anti-Catholics about the true state of the Church, here is a glimpse of the situation in our Catholic Church –

    There is a need to construct more chapels or renovate existing parish churches to accommodate the growing population of Catholics. Designated chapels inside some malls are meant precisely to solve the space problem. But, it is also a matter of funds and, just like our inefficient urban planners, there is no other choice for the Church but to put the demand for more Catholic worship sites near the places of residence and work of our flourishing Catholic population.

    However, there is the problem of distributing priests and deacons to preside over Catholic rites of worship and sacraments. While the Church encourages the faithful to choose the ordained ministry of priests, the screening of hopefuls and seminarians who go through extensive education and training has also become more rigid and difficult for a mediocre candidate to be chosen firstly as a deacon and finally as an ordained priest. This is also part of the Church’s response to safeguard the priesthood of “undesirables” as what has happened in the recent past for the indiscretions of a few priests and bishops who fell into grievous sin causing much grief to the Catholics about the impact for some, religious and laity, who had wrongly left the fold without realizing that it is Christ Jesus that they are abandoning. Such scenarios have happened in Jesus’ time when he was abandoned by his followers. It is a deja vu which the Enemy of God is an expert in deception. Satan continues to deceive believers to turn away and to entrap the very persons close to God like the clergy who fall into the temptation of the flesh, money, pride, and power. Is it not that Satan made a “good” choice to pick an apostle of Jesus to betray? Same with the clergy today who will always be unbelievably tempted and believably turned off so many lay Catholic people to leave the faith. But, all is not lost. Those who have remained faithful have so much work to do – “to lead the stray sheep back to the fold”. It is not only the work of the clergy but everyone among the laity in the Church comprising 99.999% to encourage one another to listen to the Word of God and obey.

    Thus, the Church hierarchy in the Philippines is also facing a crisis on balancing priorities and managing the scarce funds used mostly for the indigent people abandoned by the government that has the primary responsibility to take care of the needs of its citizens. it is ironic that the State makes laws purportedly to help the poor using its right hand but has its left hand to dip into the public funds for the personal greedy interests of politicians code-named “pork barrel”, “committee chairmanships” and “annual savings”. It is ironic to pass the RH law (masquerading as healthcare when the contrary is its main agenda – no babies, no pregnancies, no deaths, savings for healthcare of “irresponsible pregnant mothers” is assured) when there are more urgent needs for shelter, food, education, livelihood, employment, maternal and infant care, and peace and order.

    The Catholic Church has a problem with lack of priests, lack of churches, lack of funds to minister to the poor, and lack of funds to answer the blatant anti-Catholic media attacks on the Church. SWS had the wrong survey questionnaire. The Catholic Church in the Philippines has no problem with decreasing number of Catholics. Maybe in Europe, but is there SWS there to conduct a “wrong” survey?

  • Rodrigo_Tisoy

    kalokohan na survey…. unreliable.

  • INQ_reader

    Probably the survey was done while the priests were doing the very long sermons. That’s when people step out, and return afterwards.

  • Roy Rosales

    the catholic hierarchy should wake up with their ripvan winkle sleep and accept the facts that the filipinos are not bobo anymore.their devilish dictatorial decrees which they inherited from the crooked spanish friars are currently contested and questioned by free thinker catholics.if our national hero is still alive today,he will be dissapointed to know that the catholic hierarchy has still the hangover that they are absolute.they are solely responsible for the death of bro.jose rizal a mastermason,initiated,passed,and raised to the sublime degree of master mason in spain.,whose only sin is to expose the wrongdoings of corrupt spanish friars.shame on the hupocrite catholic hierarchy

  • penoykaw

    We catholics of the 21st century will close ranks and VOTE as one. Together with the Muslims, we are boycotting the candidates of Team Patay(Pnoy).

    • muddygoose

      Dogma from the dark ages really isn’t very 21st century.

      • penoykaw

        Catholic Dogma is updated by the Vatican Council, and are relevant to this day. Same as the Good News proclaimed 2000 years ago.

  • jpeter262

    The survey has no value. Jesus Christ addressing the little flock was more concerned on us seeking the Kingdom of God.

    – – – “”But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you. Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. (Luke 12:31-32)

    • muddygoose

      Sounds like you equate priests and religion to Christ himself.

      • jpeter262

        Jesus Christ is our Shepherd. The Priest and the Ministers are the Shepherds of the religious group of which they belong and they need to
        guide them with the Truth.

        – – – “”For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;.. .For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. (1 Peter 2:21-25)

        Jesus Christ preached the True Gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. For that purpose He was sent. (Luke 4:43). The Apostles preached the same Gospel. Those Shepherds need to preached the same True Gospel.

        God is not planning to save the world now. Jesus Christ 3 1/2 years of ministry spoke in parables that few understand the gospel of Kingdom
        of God, only to those whom He revealed. (Matt 13:19, v 34). He also gave advised not to fear to the little flock (Luke 12:31-32). God is preparing now those who will be with Christ when He comes back as King and Kings and Lord of Lords.(Rev 20:5-6 and v 12)

        The survey is not that important as that of the purpose of life that
        Jesus Christ have revealed to us through the Bible, the word of God.

      • muddygoose

        Your quote does not even justify the existence of the Roman Catholic church or any other big organized religion for that matter. How were priests and ministers selected? Why do you think they have a monopoly of the ‘truth’? Even popes commit heinous crimes.

      • jpeter262

        Priest and Ministers were chosen according to each organizations’ policies. Those “Shepherd” need to guide the sheep, their people, with the Truth following the foot step of Jesus Christ. That is the most
        ideal situation.

        Most Priest and Ministers don’t preach the Truth revealed by God in the Bible. They are in the Church, group of people, built in the foundations of lies.

        1. The Catholics are claiming that Simon the Peter is the first Pope. Simon Peter never went to Rome. Apostle Paul was assigned to the gentiles. Simon Magus, the sorcerer was hung with head down in Rome and most Bible Scholars are claiming him to be the first Pope .

        2. Jesus Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of
        God. Most of those “Shepherd” are preaching a different gospel.

        3. Most “Christians” observed Sun day. Jesus Christ observed the Seventh day Sabbath as commanded.

        4. Most of those supposed “Shepherd” preached that we are going to heaven or hell when we died. Jesus Christ said we are going to inherit the earth. Those who will be qualified as Saint will be with Jesus Christ in the First Resurrection when He come back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords

        5. “Christians” were thought that Jesus died on Friday and was risen on early Sunday morning. That is the false Messiah. Jesus Christ of the Bible stayed 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb as that of the prophet Jonah.

        6. Some “Shepherd” are preaching that the Law is done away. Catholic rearranged the Ten commandments to accommodate the Sunday and Idolatry.

        – – – “”He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

        7. and many more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cris.tungol Cris G. Tungol

    people choosing reason over religion…is a poor choice. but that is why this year is declared by the Church as the Year of Faith so as to enlighten the minds of many so that they will understand what they believe in…all of us are encouraged to take this journey of faith. let us be steadfast in our faith!

  • Islander

    Did these Damasos study Statistics 101 or are they prone to talking without analyzing the issue? The Philippine population is rising very fast, so the absolute number of church-goers could still be increasing even if the proportion of them in the general population is decreasing. Manila is also a migration destination, so Manila churches will always have increasing church-going population. All these do not mean that the survey findings are false. Catholicism is declining even in the Philippines. Thanks, atheism!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000923389289 David Bobir

      exactly

  • $43901987

    Unbelievable: Believe It!

    di bale mataas pa rin ang collection at donation. tama ba bishop? ^_^

  • tristan marius

    Mga epal kasi mga Obispo ngayon! nawalan ng kredibilidad mula nang naging pangulo ng Pilipinas si Gng. Arroyo. Tumanggap ng tumanggap ng suhol, para itikom ang bibig. isa pang nakikita kong dahilan, napakatsismoso ng mga Obispo lalo na si Cruz. walang pakundangan kung magsalita, akala mo kung sinong malinis na bakla

  • white scorpion

    shocking ba!!! you can always contradict the survey. just like any other politician. for, whatever you said is the gospel truth.

  • CharlieBrownout

    Sino na nga ba ang maniniwala sa mga pari eh sila mismo protektado nila ang mga pedophile na pari. Maraming pedophile na paring pinoy na hindi sinurender sa pulis. Ang mga tanga lang ang naniniwala pa sa mga pari at obispo. Hindi masama ang magkaroon ng religion, hwag lang maging blind follower at tanga.

  • grass9

    So, can we accept the Bilble without any real evidence?

  • ed_dAVAO

    Tumira na naman ang Surveng Walang Saysay. pati simbahan sinurbe na. sino kaya nagpasurvey nito. Mga pro RH cguro.

  • kokak

    “In fact, the number of churchgoers has increased because we have mall Masses.”
    I smell a fallacy in this statement. Go figure.

    Whatever, religions are only mythologies. The power of cellphones and internet are more real than the imaginary power of prayers.
    .

  • fernan107

    mga sinungaling , mga pari pa naman kayo….mga pari kitang kita ang pagbaba ng nagsisimba dahil sa pamomolitika ninyo….ka indo naman..

  • muddygoose

    Even if 99.99% of Filipinos remain Catholic and continue going to church, the fact remains that most religious leaders are selfish BS mongers.

  • Noel

    Even if 80% of Filipinos are Catholics, how many are practicing Catholics? It’s nothing new. Most Catholics only attend Mass on important occasions like Christmas and Holy Week. Parishioners are getting fed up and bored of the church’s politicking and preaching style that instead of preaching the Gospel of God, the priests talk non-sense during their sermons.

  • Danny Bravo

    kahit anong sabihin pa hindi sila tanggap ng god father yung promises ng god father na buhay na walang hanggan ay nasa christiyanismo,,, hindi ibig sabihin nito kabilang sila sa makikinabang kapag ini-release ito HINDI,, dahil hindi ko ibibigay ito kung hindi sila sumusunod sa patakaran ng kristiyano ,kahit pa ginagamit ninyo si jesus hindi sasabihan ng panganay ngdiyos THUNDER ang vatican ng evil kung tama ang ginagawa ng katoliko,,,, makakatikim din kayo ng kaunting biyaya na galing sa god father ,,dahil nasa pilipinas kayo nakatira ,,pero hindi ito meaning na para sa inyo ito or sa church dahil ang paglago ng economiya ng pilipinas ay sa kristiyano nanggaling ,, sa jwes lang at christiyano lang ito nakalaan,,, at yung pagliligtas sa darating na great disaster para s jews at christian lang ito dahil ang susi ay nasa akin na,, kaya iginagarantiya ko hindi kabilang ang catoliko,, muslim ,jehova witness,, atheist,,mormon at iba pang againts sa rules of the god,,,kahit na sinong leader ng religion kung mali ako o kayo ang tama,,, ipaliwanag ninyo kung anong klase ang diyos at kung bakit hindi ito makita ng tao at ito ay nakakamatay,,,,,,, kung masasagot ng vatican o papa , ito o mga pari o imam , o leader ng religion,,, baka nga ? may connection kayo sa god father dahil yan ang susi kung may connection ka sa ama,, at may mga iba pang susi,, para makalapit sa kanya,,, kaya sasabihin kong ang mga religion na ito ay falso hindi accept ng god father dahil hindi alam ang susi,,,,2004 pa ito ibinigay sa akin para sa hebrew at christiyano at ito lang ang tinukoy sa akin at wala ng iba pa !!!,,,,,, hindi ako leader ng religion para umakit ng grupo o maging popular o gumawa ng pera,,, hindi ako interasado dito at ang aming goal ay to save the humanity not the hybrid people,, ipagpatuloy ninyo ang inyong gawaing mali at patuloy kami sa pagpili ng isasama namin sa mamumuhay dito sa planeta ng tao,, hindi meaning na kahit magkaiba tayo ng grupo ibig sabihin kasama ka din dahil pilipino,, o sa pilipinas ka nakatira ay kabilang ka rin kahit na anong religion ka,,,, HINDI,, DAHIL AKO LANG ANG MAY ALAM KUNG PAANO ITO INAALIS NG CAVALLIER OF THE GOD,,,

    • jpeter262

      Sabi mo:

      . . . ”2004 pa ito ibinigay sa akin para sa hebrew at
      christiyano at ito lang ang tinukoy sa akin at wala ng iba pa !!!,,,, . . . HINDI,,
      DAHIL AKO LANG ANG MAY ALAM KUNG PAANO ITO INAALIS NG CAVALLIER OF THE GOD,,,

      Paki paliwanag mo nga ito kabayan:

      – – – “”But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (Rev 20:5-6)

  • Danny Bravo

    im cannot release the longevity,immortality,, how to survive,,, hanggat nandito ang mga againts sa god father rule,, dahil ito ay para lang sa hebrew ay christian ,,hindi yung sinasabi ninyo na para sa lahat ng tao,,, hindi dahil ito lang ang iniuutos wala ng iba pa,,,

  • boybakal

    Bishops on Church survey: Unbelievable….

    I agree….we Catholics only believe in Miracles.
    As Jesus was born, died, buried and rose to Heaven….that is Miracle to believe and not surveys.

  • w33k3nd3r

    Well, Bishops, the feeling towards you is also mutual.

  • agaylaya

    The survey may be correct in saying there was a huge drop in the percentage of catholics attending mass “every week”. However, the priests and bishops may also be correct in saying that there seems to be an increase in the number of church goers. In 1990 there were approximately 60 million Filipinos and in 2013 there are 100 million. There may be a drop in percentages but we may be experiencing an increase in absolute
    terms. Note also that the news report did not reveal the percentage of
    Catholics going to church every other week, or every three weeks, etc. Note
    further that on a given Sunday mass those who attend mass every week, every
    other week, or every three weeks etc , will all be counted i.e. out of every 100 present, 37% is attending every week, xx% attending every other week, yy% attending every 3 weeks.. Furthermore, the 64% figure did not say whether this refers to a comparative data on church goers “every week”. Thus, the number of church goers at any given Sunday mass may have actually increased but the percentage of people going to mass “every week” may have declined.

    I find the news report incomplete and misleading. Whether this is deliberate or due to ignorance,……. ..

  • Beguine

    Let’s face it, religion and in this country that’s majority Roman Catholic
    is dying.

    To be religious these days is to be with nothing better to do. There are
    far too many worthwhile and better things to do than be religious. Only
    priests are religious because that’s their calling, oh and do I hear
    about sex abuses of priests not being properly punished? Too much
    truth and gossip about bad priests and bishops can only lead to not wanting to
    have anything more to do with the Catholic rituals and mass.

    • jpeter262

      “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ (Matt 4:4)

  • Harold T

    Bishops debunk SWS survey that Mass-goers now down to 37% from 64% in 1991

    The bishops’ and priests’ claims are inconclusive. And the data to make it conclusive must come from the priests and bishops themselves. And I don’t think they will provide it. They don’t have numbers either. All they see is that the church is full.

    But if the SWS figures are to be looked into, it shows this:

    Population in 1991: 63 M. 82% Catholic = 51.66 M. 64% attendance = 33.06 M

    Population 2013 est. 100 M. 82% Catholic = 82 M. 37% attendance = 30.34 M

    There IS a drop.

    But if the priests and bishops will say it’s not true, it’s because they don’t or refuse to see or feel the approximately 10% decline in 22 years. Who would notice less than half-percent average drop per year, when population grows over 2% annually?

    The priests and bishops have no numbers to prove their claim that there are more and more faithful in the church than ever. The priests and bishops do not have and, even if they do, will not show you their numbers. All they will tell you is that they run 6 to 8 Masses on Sunday plus the anticipated ones and the churches are full.

    The missing numbers are:

    1. The total number of churches with Sunday and anticipated Masses in the Philippines

    2. Average capacity of all churches with Sunday and anticipated Masses in the Philippines

    Number of churches X average capacity = attendance per Mass

    Attendance per Mass X 8 Masses = Total attendance per Sunday

    The bishops and priests say there are more dioceses being established. What they do not consider and account for is population migration due to new settlements and/or employment opportunities in areas with rapid development. Population growth in one locality does not necessarily mean there are plenty babies all over. Migration is also a contributor of population growth. There are industrial and commercial developments and residential real estate development in Rizal, Cavite, Laguna, Bulacan and other provinces with rapid development. Much of these data were not even looked into or ignored. So, essentially, it’s the same faithful people but moving to different places. Does having more dioceses mean more faithful? Not necessarily so.

    These numbers are not there and the bishops and priests need these numbers to effectively debunk the SWS. So when the bishops and priests say the survey is unbelievable, they are debunking it because they say so, without any statistics behind it.

    Although collection is tied in to attendance, there is no telling or information as to how much is collected from offertory and second or other collections. The bishops and priests know those numbers and will not tell you either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eddie.quintero3 Eddie Quintero

    Sorry sa nagsurvey, nabayaran ka na naman ng galit sa roman catholic para i down ang church, paano mo sinabing kaunti na ang nagsisimba kung lingo eh dito sa parokya namin sa pasay olmbsp ay nag dagdag pa kami ng 10:00am mass in addition to 5 masses pag sunday para lang ma accommodate lahat ang mga parokyano dahil sobrang siksikan na nuong dating 5 lang ang sked ng mass. Wala na ba kayong kleyente pati simbahan pinatulan ninyo. Eleksyon ngayon , duong na lang kayo sa dati ng lukuhan at walang katuturang survey. God bless sa inyo.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Thanks of the Colonial Churches centuries old teachings, the Philippines Archipelago is one of the world most backward country, a rich country turned into one of the poorest.

    The Churches success is Paradise producing starving and ignorant Janitor’s.

  • franziz

    yap!! marami paring nag sisimba dahil sa sobrang daming papulasyon nang pilipinas na member nang catholic church. Father did you survey kung marami pa bang pumapasok na mag pari sa pagkaalam ko sa ibang bansa kumokonti nalang ang pumapasok magpari and even in philippines . at ano na ang ratio ng pari sa member compare 20yrs ago, Dito sa Italy pagpumasok ka sa simbahan ordinary sunday pilipino ang nagpapadami magsimba, Mga italyano hindi na nag sisimba at hindi nila sinusunod ang catholic church, mga pilipino religioso debout catholic hanggang ngayon nagpapauto pa sa paring catholico. kundi pagkaperahan ang member religion is big business

  • Joseph Perez

    ‘It only goes to show that TEAM PATAY is desperate that they will have to commision a discredited survey firm just to make a point. Sige pa! Sige pa!!!! Maganda yan pero come election time tingnan natin kung sino ang iiyak :) :) :)

  • tao taoko

    Kailan ba magigising ang mga Pilipino si Jose Rizal Gising sa katotohanan ang Katolisismo ay isang religion na hindi magdadala sayo sa langit.

  • MnlaBoy

    Are those attending mass increasing proportionately with the population?
    You can probably ask the Jesuit priests in the Ateneo to do the Math for you.

    Regardless, there IS a problem with the Catholic Church – the Pope knows it.

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