Clergy, spokeswoman challenge SWS survey on Catholics wishing to leave church

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MANILA, Philippines—If more Filipino Catholics were indeed leaving the Church, how come parishes are continuously sprouting across the country and some priests celebrate more than five Masses on Sundays?

Peachy Yamsuan, communications chief of the Archdiocese of Manila, raised these questions Wednesday in a bid to challenge an SWS survey  showing that one out of 11 Filipino Catholics sometimes considered leaving the Church and more were no longer attending Mass.

Several Catholic bishops, in telephone interviews, also aired the same observation — that Masses remained vibrant every Sunday in churches as well as in malls across the country.

The survey actually asked respondents if they sometimes felt like leaving the church. SWS said, however, there was evidence to back an assertion by the Jesuit priest Joel Tabora in a Feb. 7 blog that “people have been leaving the Catholic Church” and it was time that SWS did a survey.

Archbishop Angel Lagdameo of Iloilo said all the Masses at his cathedral were “still filled to capacity.”

“The nine Masses in Jaro Cathedral are still filled to capacity. Priests maintain their Masses also in the barrios,” said Lagdameo, a former head of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, claiming that this observation was the same in the 93 parishes of Jaro, the name by which the Iloilo diocese is known.

He added that while some people have really stopped attending Sunday Mass, new Catholics were also going to church regularly. “So, it’s a matter of minus and plus,” said Lagdameo.

In a text message, Yamsuan  said the numbers showed in the SWS survey were unbelievable since parishes were continuously created, citing the dioceses of Antipolo, Malolos and Imus, to name a few.

“The Diocese of Imus has more new parishes created in the past 10 years or so… which begs the question, why create parishes if the number of Mass-goers is dwindling?” said Yamsuan.

Based on the survey, only 37 percent of Filipino Catholics said they go to church every week, a huge decline from the 64 percent registered in 1991.

“That’s a huge drop [and] you would think several churches would have closed by now. Yet parishes are being created. And what to say about mall masses? Practically all SM malls have a Mass if not more,” said Yamsuan, clarifying that her statement did not represent the position of her office or that of the Archdiocese of Manila.

She said that some priests even have to celebrate up to six Masses every Sunday just to cope with the number churchgoers.

“So, can we accept the statistics without real evidence like an almost empty church on a Sunday or a parish church with only two Masses scheduled on a Sunday, except of course those out in the boondocks?” she said.

She also wondered if surveyors have seen the large Mass attendance at the churches of Quiapo  and Baclaran and the National Shrine of St. Jude in Manila.

Msgr. Clemente Ignacio, rector of the Minor Basilica of the Black Nazarene or Quiapo Church, said Mass attendance has also been increasing in the church, not only on Fridays when the mulatto Christ is venerated with novenas and Masses.

The number of people who observed the traditional Visita Iglesia last Holy Week also multiplied, the priest noted.

“In Quiapo, Mass attendance has been increasing even during the last Visita Iglesia,” said Ignacio.

Marbel Bishop Dinualdo Gutierrez said that in the 26 parishes of the capital of South Cotabato, more Catholics were attending Mass. “I have visited 17 parishes and the findings also show vibrancy,” said Gutierrez.

Cubao Bishop Honesto Ongtioco  said he has not seen any  decline in Mass-goers in his diocese. “In fact, the number of churchgoers has increased because we have mall Masses,” he said.

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  • shane oy

    THE CBCP Should hire a better Public Relations firm to handle issues like this. Suhestion lang.

    • Roy Batty

      Jesus, that’s sounds like the Anti-Christ has just been elected as the new pope!

      • Eddwardd

        guni guni mo lng yan…

        kung wla kayong magawa sa buhay ninyo hala mag charity work kau para nmn kapaki-pakinabang nmn ang buhay nyo kesa mag imbento ng kung anu anong estorya at paninira sa taong d nyo nmn kilala…

    • $44479964

      tapos i-outsource na rin ang confessions?

  • huewei

    aminin na pakonti dahil marami nang nag aalisan, sa europe at america nga binebenta na ang mga simbahan don dahil empty na o wala nang churchgoers don.

    • Langga

      Walang nag aalisan dito Sa Ireland,may Mga inactive pero Hindi umaalis!

      • Eddwardd

        tama…

    • Roy Batty

      Nietzsche prophecy turn into a reallity, churches become great mausoleum of God.

      • Eddwardd

        sa europa lng un..kc naging secular ang tao.kc naging materialistic na.. sabi nga sa Bible..may nauuna na nahuhuli, at may nahuhuli na nauuna..ang europa ang cradle of Christianity…pero saan na sila ngaun?.

        pa Nietzsche Nietzsche ka pa..d maganda ang kamatayan nya..kawawang Nietzsche…

        Sabi nga ni Nietzsche GOD is dead…at iyon tuloy d maganda ang kamatayan nya..mapatawad sana siya ng Maylikha na gumawa at nagbigay sa Kanya ng Talino at dunung…

        Ako’y isamg hamak na mangangalakal na kinagiliwan ang usaping ekonomiya at pananalapi na nagkataong nagtapos ng pilosopiya…hahaha

    • Roy Batty

      Nietzsche prophecy turn into a reality, churches become great mausoleum of God.

    • Eddwardd

      hahhhh…kulto ka nga..hindi ka kc Katoliko kya kung anong imbentong estorya meron ka…

      ang europe naging secular continent kya khit Catholic ang nakakarami ayaw n nilang mgsimba..pero hindi ibig sabihin nabawasan ang population ng buong Simbahan..kc kung nagbabasa kau ng balita ang Africa na pinapamalaki in terms of converts at growing Catholics ay pantapat sa naliligaw na europa.

      Ang Amerika nmn maraming Katoliko dun ..simba kau sa St. PAtrick Cathedral sa New York para makita nyo…karamihan sa knila practicing Catholic d tulad sa pinas. marami sa mga ito mga hundreds o thousands of converts na mga pastor pa na bumalik sa Inang Simbahan…watch journey home ng ewtn…

      Have u heard Catholics in Vietnam? naku sila ang modern Irish missionaries at pangalawa sa pinas sa pinakamaraming KAtoliko sa Asia..Have u heard underground Catholics sa China naku ang dami…Sa Mongolia khit 400 plus lng ang Kristiyano dun pero mga Katoliko un hindi tulad nyo na kulto..hahahah

    • magiting78

      San mo nmn nakuha info n yan…d2 ako sa europe pero wla kami na babalitaan na ganyan..

  • Pert Cabatana

    the reason why our churches and masses are overflowing is because we have a severe shortage of priests and churches. Philippines has 5X the number of Catholics in India, yet India has 3X the number of priests that we have. (note too, that because India has a lot more priests than the Philippines, India has 8 Cardinals while PH has only 3.). Similarly, the US also has less catholics than PH, but the number of priests and parishes in the US are much higher than that of PH (as a result, they also have about 10 Cardinals). Our Catholic hierarchy, instead of getting defensive, should address head-on the problem of poor effectiveness of their job resulting from the severe shortage of priests. Religion is a very personal thing, thus direct person-to-person contact between minister and parishion is very important. I am happy that Pope Francis is demonstrating through his own actions the importance of person-to-person contact. Our Bishops should work harder on producing more priests and building more churches.

    • $43901987

      they should work harder para babaan ang tuition fee sa catholic schools.

      • Eddwardd

        hahaha…wla nga tlgang alam..

        ang usapin kung bkit may mga tinatawag na exclusive Catholic schools at mamahal ng tution fees has nothing to do kung anuman ang iniisip nyo..hahaha

        ang alam ko maraming mga kaparian o madre na tuwing nagtuturo sila o may hawak na subjects tuwing semester ang katapat nito ay 2 or 3 mga estudyante malilibre sa pag aaral gaya ng Ateneo, UST,etc.

      • $43901987

        syota ka ng pari yata

    • Eddwardd

      ano yan ? observation mo lng yan mula sa limitado at makitid nyong isipan…

      Kapag wlang alam sa usaping Simbahan at hierarchy nito, turo nito, ang pamamahala nito BETTER SHUT UP…

      nakakaawa ka nagmukha ka tuloy mangmang.nagmamarunong ka lng…The Church in Her 2,000-year wisdom knows Her flock, the unforeseen events even the unexpected influx or exodus of her flock or even the attack of the modern times to include the attack inside and outside the Church. Read Church History, o khit mga PCP II lng para matoto ka at hindi magmamarunong…

      kya nndyan nga ang mga different offices ng Inang Simbahan mapa justice and peace pa yan, socio-political etc. how much more ang congregation of the Doctrine of the Church…hahaha

      kya ako sau better shut up..kla nyo maalam ka..hahaha

      Akoý isang hamak na mangangalakal na marunong sa usaping ekonomiya at pananalapi na nagkataon nagtapos ng pilospiya..hahaha

      • $44479964

        ikaw nga ang makitid ang isipan. nagmamarunong. walang kwenta ang sinASABI. out of order.

      • Eddwardd

        hahaha..wlang kwenta kc dapt ganoon ang approach sa mga mangmang na gaya nyo..hahaha..

        kc nmn kung mag lelecture ako rine wla akong mapapala sa inyo mga kulto..kc sarado na utak nyo..mag trade nlng ako kikita pa ako ngaun..hahaha..

      • Eddwardd

        hwagh kang umasa na i trato kayong prangh ceo na kahalubilo ko kc mahal ang bayad sa akin per hour..hahaha

  • Crazy_horse101010

    i bet if the poll was the other way they wouldnt question it

  • andrew lim

    There’s a huge difference between the anecdotal evidence of churches filled with attendees on Sunday and those who really pay attention to the mass and apply the teachings of the Church.

    What I would encourage is for the SWS or the Church to commision a study on the attendees and measure instead the strength of their beliefs- how much those attendees believe in what is being said.

    Many attend, but are just nominal Catholics, since they were born into it, and just inherited the traditions. They will act and think on their own, just like with RH and the coming elections.

    Try this experiment yourself: after attending a mass, ask 10 people what the homily was all about and how do they intend to apply it. You may be surprised that few actually listened, much less understand what was said. How many do you think understand the word “transubstantation” ?

    • Pert Cabatana

      I fully agree. There is an urgent need for the Catholic hierarchy to empirically measure the effectiveness of their teaching methodologies. For example, the official Church teaching is that the Quiapo Nazareno devotion is not idolatry because of what the priests say they officially teach the people. Now ask the devotees if they have the same understanding and attitude. It’s time for the Church to adopt the proven scientific tools of marketing and the social sciences. As the late Cardinal Martini said: the Church is 200 years behind. It’s time to update.

      • Eddwardd

        galing nyo, dre..kla nyo eksperto pero mangmang nmn..indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing..kulto ka nga..

        pa quote qoute ka pa ni Cardinal Martini..hahaha…He’s just a cardinal and not the voice or the Magesterium of the Catholic Church..Do u know how the Church curia works, how the Church hierarchy works…the college of cardinals is the elders of the Church..kung alam nyo how the SC justices work setting en banc at majority rule ay ganun din ang Simbahan kung ang mga lupon ng mga obispo ang pag uusapan..

        kung wlang alam sa usaping Simbahan at hindi Katoliko at wlang alam sa turo at history nito BETTER SHUT UP..

      • $44479964

        Edward Mendoza the expert.

      • Eddwardd

        hahahha..punta ka nlng rine dre sa serendra tpos bigay nyo nlng pasekrito nyo ipakilala sa sarili nyo ha khit s mkt mkt nlng sa loob for security reason…..at magpakilala kau baka makatulong ako sau sa mga usaping pangkaalaman at hindi hearsay…libre un wlang bayad…kesa mag charge pa ako ng 5k per hour..hahaha

      • magiting78

        Khit anong pag aaral o survey hnd nyo masusukat ang lalim o babaw ng pananampalataya ng mga nag sisimba nasa tao na yun…Sa palagay nyo ba yung mga araw araw n nag sasamba sa Iglesia ay totoong nanampalataya o nandun sila dahil responsibilidad nila…nangyayari ito sa lahat ng relihiyon….

    • Lot Quibranza

      No one can measure one’s faith by “surveys”. Faith is boundless. There is no room for your suggestion. Sorry.

    • superpilipinas

      Forget SWS. They sell surveys to the “highest bidder”.

      Let Ateneo and UP get an independent survey company from Singapore or Hongkong.

  • Roy Batty

    It’s the clergy themselves who are responsible for the losing of faith among the Catholics. They need to be more spiritual and less political if they want to reverse increasing number of apostate among the ranks of its church-goers.

    Next survey should ask whether Catholics really care for bishops and priests dabbling in what is supposedly due to Ceasar. I guess the answer would be too obvious for survey firms and their financiers to waste time and resources.

    • Eddwardd

      hahaha…hearsay..inventing story..twisting the facts..kawawa nilalang..sinong maysabi losing of faith..? ikaw? kulto ka nga…naniniwala sa 1,200 o 1,500 respondents ng sws survey..at d mn lng tiningnan kung anong motibo meron ang sws survey…tanga

      • otire

        Ed kala ko ba ikay taong marunong magpakumbaba? may prueba ka ba na nasa kulto ang kausap mo? ganyan ba ang turo nang pari sayo na pag sabihan sila nang SHUT UP. kahit hindi sila catholic wala ka pong karapatan pigilan ang kanilang damdamin. wag naman ganyan. sana po maiintindihan mo ang sinasabi mong .nagpakumbaba at humihingi ng awa …

      • Eddwardd

        hahahah..galing nyo nmn gumamit ng katagang iyan..kapag tinamaan kau sasabihin yo kla ko ba magpakumbaba kau..

        ang approach kc sa inyo ay hindi tulad ng maamong tupa kasi kau ay mga lobo..wlang maamong lobo..getsz mo?hahaha

      • otire

        Ed mukhang iba ang tabas nang bibig mo. di ata tulad nyan ang turo sa simbahang katoliko. pata-tawa ka pa sa katunayan, galit na galit ka naman. at hindi maka dios ang pang lalait mo.

      • $44479964

        may taong kalye dito nakisawsaw sa usaping hindi kayang intindihin ng kanyang isipan kaya kung anu-ano na lang pinagsasabi.

    • magiting78

      Hnd sila n mumulitika lawakan nyo pang unawa nyo…bilang tagapamahala ng simbahan obligasyon nilang itaguyod ang mabuting asal at gawain, kung magbubulag bulagan cla sa katiwalian ng mga pulitiko para n rin nilang kinonsente yun….intyende????…..lol

  • http://twitter.com/Marls_Mayor Marlyn

    basta ako forever catholic…

    • magiting78

      Isinilang na Catholic..mamatay na katoliko….

      • Langga

        Tama!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Siempre katoliko parents mo, me masabi ka ba nung bininyagan ka sa katoliko eh hindi ka pa makapagsalita. At lalo na pag namatay ka, di ka na talaga makapagsalita LOL.

    • Langga

      Amen!

  • Eddwardd

    simple lng yan kung bakit ganun ang SWS survey pakana at propaganda lng iyan para i discredit ang Simbahan…

    alalahanin nyo, ang Bacolod tarps at ang lantarang paglahok na ng mga layko na pinangunahan ng mga iba’t ibang religious organizations sa ilalim ng SImbahan na lantarang nag indorso at nangngumpanya laban sa mga pulitikong sumuporta sa RH bill.

    At sa isyung ng numero ng mga nagsisimba naku malabo mangyari iyan…lalong dumami ang mga Katoliko kya namimili nlng aq kung anong simbahan ako magsisimba kc khit saan sobrang daming taobiro nyo nagsisimula ang misa sa madaling araw ng Linggo hanggang 9pm or 10pm pa yan…sa sabado nmn anticipated mass puno pa rin…

    hwag nlng natin banggitin ang quiapo, sa bclaran, sa st. jude sa malacanang naku mahihilo ka sa dami ng tao..

    minsan nag attend ako ng mass sa immaculate conception cathedral sa cubao hinahati nlng ng pari ung hustiya kc naubusan sa sobrang daming nag communion

    • Roy Batty

      Just because puno ang mga simbahan it doesn’t mean okay lang sa mga parokyano ang mga pinag-gagawa ng mga namumuno sa simbahan.

      Nagsisimba ang mga tao para tumaas ang ‘grades’ nila sa heaven at hind dahil pabor sila mga sinasabi at ginagawa ng mga obispo’t pare sa politika.

      Di ba yan nga ang laging palusot ng mga pari tuwing misa, “Look not at the sin of the church but at your faith”.

      Siguro dapat oras na para maglagay din ng ‘suggestion box’ or ‘opinion box’ ang simbahan katabi ng ‘donation box’ nila at ng malaman talaga nila ang totoong saloobin ng mga parokyano.

      • Eddwardd

        opinyon nyo lng yan dre..ako isang Katoliko sinisita ko kung mali ang mga kaptid kung Katoliko…dhil kulang sila sa gabay…

        ginawa na yan dre..hindi nyo kayang kontrolin ang mga taong tiantawag na nominal CAtholic o KBL lng-nagsisimba tuwing binyag, libing, kasal o biernes santo…kya nga ang SImbahan ay bukas para sa lahat khit hindi kau Katoliko..wlang style iglesia ni manalo na sarado parati ang Simbahan at gate.magububkas lng kung may pagsamba …

      • Roy Batty

        You cannot measure people how Catholic they are by simply tallying how frequent they attend the Church’s masses. The measure is always their faith on the Church and just because they have a lot of gripes against the clergies, doesn’t mean they’re lesser among the Catholics.

        I have seen a lot of government crook politicians who are regular Church goers mind you and the sight at the front pew would be enough for me to puke, but then the priest’s reminders (which you have just been corrected lolz) made me endure the Sundays.

        Why would people need to go to Church if there’s no mass? God is with people wherever they go. So, I think a closed house of worship is sensible if there is no mass or activities going on there. I could be riding in a crowded bus but praying to God at the same time. Islam’s even had it better, it say’s,”work is worship”. Still I wouldn’t mind a Church that is open all times.

      • Eddwardd

        nakakatawa ka nmn dre…alam ng mga taong Sibmahan yan…kya nga for than 2,000 years nndyan pa rin ang Inang SImbahan.

        The Church in Her 2,000-year wisdom knows Her flock, the unforeseen events even the unexpected influx or exodus of her flock or even the attack of the modern times to include the attack inside (mga taong Simbahan, mga pari, etc) and outside of the Church.

      • Eddwardd

        “Look not at the sin of the church but at your faith”. anong palusot? maimbento ka rin..pati pa nmn yang panalangin na iyan binaluktot nyo..hahaha..

        Iyan ang panaghoy ng Inang Simbahan, panalangin ng Sambayanan ..nagpakumbaba at humihingi ng awa …

        ito po iyon..

        “Look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your kingdom where you live for ever and ever. Amen

      • Roy Batty

        Ganyan nga pag by the book ika nga. Pero tuwing may kabulastugan na nangyayari sa pamalakad sa kapilya o sa simbahan, yan lagi ang kinu-quote ng pumapalit na pari.

        And it goes something like this, hindi naman pari ang sinasamba mo sa simbahan kundi ang panginoon, so wag muna pansinin ang kamalian ng mga pari then insert said ‘baluktot’ quote, concentrate ka lang sa pananampalataya mo ahaha!

        Sige nga go ask any catholics what’s the reason why they still go to a parish church who’s previous priest was mired in a scandal.

        Di ba yan ang usual sagot, “Look not at the sin of the church but at your faith” ahaha!

        No wonder punong puno pa rin ang simbahan. Ako nagsisimba pa rin naman not for my own sakes but that of my family’s.

  • $43901987

    padre damaso: hindi naman nabawasan collection namin kaya hindi totoo yan. may nag donate pa nga ng SUV sa mga pari namin ^_^

    • Eddwardd

      hahaha.kulto ka nga…pati isyu na yan..recycle…patay na binuhay pa ang kalansay..settled na ..napahiya lng tuloy ang mga senador sa senado..hahaha

      • $43901987

        hehe syempre madali kasi kayo makalimot

      • Eddwardd

        huh? kawawa ka nmn..kungako sau mag aral ka nlng para magkalaman ang isip nyo…

        gaya ng panonood ng mga business channels habang nakicommento rine..hahaha

      • $43901987

        weh syota k b ng pari?

    • $44479964

      out of order

  • speaksoftlylove

    Simple lang yan.

    Taliwas sa katarantaduhan ni Mahal Mang Ahas, marami na angg nagugutom sa Pilipinas. At dahil marami na ang nagugutom at naghihirap ay marami ang umaasa na lang ng milagro galing sa langit kaya marami ang nagdadasal at inaasa na lang sa Diyos ang lahat.

    At dahil maraming nagdadasal naturalmente marami na ang pumupunta sa Simbahang Katoliko at nagbalik loob, Di na kailangan ang survey at maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang lahat. Kuha mo Mahal Mang Ahas na dogyot?

  • magsasakasanayon

    i bet these sanctimonious ba$tards won’t question the surveys if they were in favor of them. haay. the effin’ hypocrites.

  • bobybooboo

    Feeling ko yung number na nakuha ng SWS dati eh hindi accurate. Kasi takot pa noon siguro ang mga tao na umamin na hindi sila lingguhan magsimba. Kaya drastic yung decline ngayon.

  • Langga

    Catholic Church- The True Universal Church- Romans1:7-8

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      LOL ! She’s the harlot mentioned in the book of revelation.

  • Langga

    Romans1:7-8:-))

  • Jane Tan

    These people think of leaving the Church but they don’t push through with it because they like bucking with the crowd.

  • nano

    No wonder why more people go to church , 25 years ago there were around 50million Filipino , now we are almost 100 million. Kaya against ang church sa RH bill, pag konti na lang ang tao di konti na magsimba.

  • pj2003

    Catholic Church is still in denying state.. dito sa lugar namin iyong mga dating mukha pa rin ang nakikita mong nagsisimba sa simbahan ng Katoliko samantala sa kabilang kalsada sa Baptist church laging may bagong mukha na pumasasok at iyong ibang dating Kotoliko ay doon na nagsasamba.. eto pa ang isang katunayan na kumukonti na ang mga Katoliko iyong kalapit na baranggay namin lahat Protestante na (Baptist) kasi dalawang beses kung mag-prayer meeting doon ang mga Baptist at every Sunday pa ang church service ng Pastor kaya sa loob ng isang taon converted na halos lahat… samantalang ang paring Katoliko gusto lahat doon sisimba sa simbahan ng parokya at hindi man lang pinupuntahan ang baranggay maliban na lang kung fiesta.. karamihan sa paring Katoliko ay mga primadona di sinusunod ang kasabihang “kung ayaw lumapit ng bundok kay Mohamad, si Mohamad ang pupunta sa bundok” kaya di nakapagtataka kung dumadami nga Protestante, Born Again, etc. dahil masipag mangisda iyong mga pastors nila.

    • Roy Batty

      Or katulad ng sa Islam, dumadami ang mga muslim hindi dahil sa conversion kung hindi dahil sa birth rate ng mga muslim. Same lang din sa Catholics dito sa Pinas.

      On the other hand dumadami ang mga non-Catholic Christians thru conversion talaga.

  • noyab

    wag na patulan si mangahas dahil later on mag claim din ng propehcy yan gaya ng buang na Felix…..

  • riccisan

    3 words, eh ano ngayon???

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. The question is really…who paid SWS to do this survey? Why is the survey being done recently.

    Obviously, the answers are some people want to benefit out of this survey article. It is being done now BECAUSE OF ELECTION…..obvious di ba? Father Tabora’s blog is just laughable excuse.

    But the SIMPLE FACT this proves is….that some people are AFRAID of the AWESOME influential Catholic Vote.

    If Catholic Vote is not a concern today, this will DEFINITELY NOT be in the news….who would care, right? He-he-he.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Time indeed for the catholic church players to mend their ways. The nation’s pulse at the moment is leaning towards what was reported yesterday. Many, myself included, no longer participates in church religious functions. When I die and the church won’t bless my soul, it’s alright with me. That’s less contribution to the children molester’s coffer.

  • Yobhtron

    Karamiman ay nagsisimba dahil sa kanilang spiritual needs at hindi dahil sa mga pari o obispo ng RCC. Pero alam nilang bulok ang sistema ng RCC. Iyong iba ayaw umalis dahil iyon ang kinagisnan nilang relihiyon hindi dahil loyal sila sa RCC. Iyong iba naman ay nagsisimba para lang maipakita nila na angsisimba pero di naman nakikinig sa loob ng simbahan at kapag homily ay lumalabas para magyosi at makipagchikahan . Iyong iba naman ay para lang tumingin ng chikas at binata. Ang Singles for Christ nila ay naging dating service, sila-sila nagyayarin at marami ang nabubuntis dahil sa pagsali dito. Meeting daw pero after ng bible reading ay nagpupuntahan na sa sulok sulok para kanilang SEB. Mula noon hanggan ngayon ay walang block vote ang mga katoliko.

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