Estrada, Moreno both liars and deserve to be partners, says Lim

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Former President Joseph Estrada.. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

MANILA, Philippines—Verbal tirades continue between the two rivals for the mayoral seat in Manila City, with incumbent Mayor Alfredo Lim saying his opponent, former President Joseph Estrada, and his running mate should really be partners since “both of them are liars.”

In an interview during Monday’s Liberal Party’s proclamation rally for its local bets, Lim cited Estrada’s conviction for a plunder case which got him an ill-gotten wealth of over P500 million.

“Kunyari ‘Erap para sa mahirap’ pero sino ba ang yumaman? Siya (Erap claims he is for the poor but who got rich? Him),” Lim said.

Asked to comment on Estrada’s statement that only fools hold rallies on April Fool’s Day, Lim said: “Ni minsan hindi kami nagloloko sa panunungkulan sa pamahalaan. Baka s’ya . . . na-convict na nga s’ya for plunder. Niloloko niya tao (Not once did we fool people while serving in the government. It must be him fooling the people…he had been convicted for plunder).”

Lim also claimed that it is Estrada who started their exchange of verbal tirades, saying that he just needed to tell the “truth.”

“Eh s’ya nag-uumpisa eh. Pati ba naman pagkakampanya namin ng April 1 sasabihin nanloloko kami. Eh anong salita yon? . . . paano gusto niyang gawin namin, di na din kami kikibo (He was the one who started this. Even our campaigning on this day [April 1] he was saying we were fooling the people. What does he want? That we just keep quiet)?” the mayor said.

He also criticized Estrada’s running mate, Vice Mayor Isko Moreno, citing his case on alleged “ghost employees.”

“Dapat magka-partner nga sila. Parehas silang sinungaling. Birds of the same feather flock together . . . maco-convict din yan (They deserve to be partners. They are both liars…he [Moreno] would also be convicted),” Lim said.

He also took a jab at Estrada for his statement about people living in the streets of Manila with flies all over, saying that he would resign if there are no flies in San Juan City—Estrada’s bailiwick.

Furthermore, Lim said he doesn’t believe that Erap’s sortie Sunday afternoon in Manila with other candidates from the United Nationalist Alliance gathered 75,000 supporters.

“Sabi niya. Baka nakainom (That’s what he [Estrada] claimed. He must be drunk),” Lim said.

LP’s proclamation rally was held at the Bonifacio Shrine beside the Manila City Hall, attended by President Benigno Aquino III.

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  • catmanjohn

    Only a FOOL like Estrada would be so afraid of April Fool’s day, that it would even debilitate him from being active. Imagine this guy being a leader of the capitol city. He exposes his fears of what we all know.. he is a fool, and now he wants to fool you too. HAPPY ESTRADA DAY!

  • $16638896

    pag nanalo pa itong si erap, dito mo masasabi na marami tlgang bobong botante…wag naman sana sa capital ng Pilipinas ito mangyari.

    • batangsulpok

      BOBOTANTE ang mga kababayan natin kaya posibleng manalo si Erap, kawawang bansa, wala ng pag-asang umasenso.

      • walang pakundangan

        alam mo yung matalino eh mas matalino kung magnakaw mahirap hulihin

      • walang pakundangan

        si erap bobo eh kaya nahuli….sa jueteng sa bintang ng traydor na kaibigan (Chavit)

    • regd

      Convicted corrupter tapos binoto pangalawa ke PNoy nung halalan tapos asa ka pa na baka di manalo? Ganyan katanga at kababaw ng ibang pinoy!

    • rodben

      Mahirap maging leadre ng Pinas ang pro-poor pinatatalsik ng mga elitista kung nahati ang vote ng INC tyak pagulo na naman si erap ngayon…..may solid vote kasi ang taong ito doon sa mga walang computers…

  • nes911

    Sa rally ni estrada, tinimbog sya mismo ng kanyang vice na si isko. Moreno ng sabihin nyang bumangon muli si asiong salonga sa katauhan ni erap. Di nya alam na si asiong salonga ay isang outlaw, gangster, magnanakaw at mamamatay tao. Ganyan pala ang gusto nyang pagsilbihan bilang mayor. Dapat nga silang magsamang dalawa. Dumb and dumber ang tandem nila.

    • walang pakundangan

      so paniwala ka naman na yaong original na asiong salonga ay si mayor LIM? mamamatay tao ba si Lim? yung ala Duterte ba sa maynila ay hindi gawa ni orig asiong? Magnanakaw ba si Lim? Ikaw ang maysabi. Maybe Isko mean Erap is the new Asiong Salonga kabaligtaran ng dating character na binanggit mo.

    • yaonglaan

      Yan ang natututunan ng galing sa Iskwater at ugaling Iskwater bagay sila ni Erap easy money other people’s money kaya nga plunderer e

    • siegfeil

      oo nga panahon ko yan. si asiong salonga portrait as robinhood of tondo pero naman sir ilan pinatay at ninakawan niyan kawawa naman mga biktima. hina naman nang ulo niyang si Isko.

  • walang pakundangan

    the poor people yaong mahihirap will still vote for erap ay boboto pa rin kay erap the slogan “erap para sa mahirap” is still effective epektibo pa rin ang slogan na “erap para sa mahirap” not unless fred lim eradicated the poorest of the poor in his bailiwick maliban na lang na naahon na ni fred lim ang pinakamahirap sa mga mahihirap (mahirap pa sa Daga!) sa kaniyang teritoryo. !

    • Jane Tan

      Erap gagawa ng mahirap? ;p

  • padrefaura

    wag na tayong makialam sa away ni erap at lim, usapang matanda yan.

    • regd

      Hehehe, kumpitensya kasi mga matanda kung sino ang pinakatanga. Gusto lang namin malaman kung sino nanalo.

  • walang pakundangan

    Mayor Lim Lolo bakit ngayon mo lang sinabi na sinungaling si Isko gayong matagal na siyang nagsisilbi sayo bilang bise ibig bang sabihin na may alaga kang sinungaling sa loob ng maraming taon ngayon mo lang nalaman?

    • wawa2172

      Lim is not telling the truth on Isko. The two has been working as a team until Isko choose to be Erap running mate. Isko even covered for Lim during the Luneta hostage crises and the vice-mayor opted to be at the side of Lim all throughout the crises. With Lim or Erap, walang kabutihan maidudulot sa Manila because booth at tradpols. Blame it on Team PNoy and UNA, the quality of their candidates shows the kind of politcal parties they are…puro trapo at pahirap sa bansa.

      • maypakialamtayo

        ang problema walang choice ang botante ng maynila.

  • Noel

    First of all, it was not Erap who said about 75,000 attended his rally. It was the media including this paper that reported it.

    Lim keeps on using Erap’s plunder conviction in this election. People know that Erap was charged and convicted by GMA and her cohorts for refusing to leave the country and admit that he resigned. Plunder was not bailable and that was the only way to keep him in jail. GMA pardoned Erap due to El Shaddai and INC’s lobby. Furthermore, why did Erap get the second highest votes last presidential election second to Pnoy?

    GMA was much worse than Erap in terms of corruption. Yet, Lim sided with GMA and said nothing for nine years. Between a plunderer and a traitor who betrayed a friend many times, I pick the former.

    • walang pakundangan

      yung plunder money ay iyong jueteng money. hindi iyan pera ng pilipinas, pera iyan ng mga sugarol at yung bintang ay galing sa sugarol na chavit singson well maganda ba ang credibility ni chavit remember na involved and anak niya sa drugs at nakulong sa hong kong

      • Noel

        Tama. Pera ng mga sugarol ang kita sa jueteng. At kung si Erap ay sangkot sa jueteng, bakit lalong lumakas ang jueteng sa panahon ni Gloria at hanggang ngayon? Isa pa, pumangalawa pa si Erap sa nakaraang election. Samakatuwid tanggap pa rin siya ng mga tao.

    • Jane Tan

      I’d venture to say GMA, who was also no stranger to corruption, did more for the country than Erap. If Lim had to choose between GMA and Erap, he’d be choosing between two corrupt individuals. Its true that GMA was capable of much worse but she still had more credibility as a President than Erap ever did. Seriously, you’d want a drop-out leading your country? I won’t pin my hopes on Erap alleviating poverty and improving Manila when he can’t even get past his studies. For all we know, he’s just going to end up as a puppet for some rich businessmen.

      • Noel

        Gosh, you’re the only one who vouches for GMA’s credibility. Despite her cheating in 2004 election?

      • Jane Tan

        Marcos cheated in the elections too, but I still prefer him over Erap. That’s the nature of politics in the Philippines. We have to go for the lesser evil. In this case, the less stupid evil.

      • Noel

        When did Marcos cheat in the election? Did you mean the snap election? He won but the anti-Marcos groups including the US-CIA conspired against him. People’s minds were conditioned that if he won, he cheated. As for Erap, he never cheated in the election. Despite his open admission that he was a womanizer, drunkard and gambler, people elected him to Mayor, Senator, Vice-President and President. Like Marcos, Erap was ousted by a grand conspiracy. Take note that the nucleus of those that ousted Marcos were the same ones that ousted Erap.

      • Jane Tan

        Regardless. They all fall under a certain group of people who abused the power that was given them. All I’m saying is that if I had a choice between either GMA or Marcos and Erap, I’d choose either GMA or Marcos over Erap.

        Well, maybe you can tell give me an idea as to why you’re pushing for Erap. What has he done that is so good that he should be elected?

      • Noel

        I’m no Erap fan. We’re talking between Erap and Lim as Mayor of Manila. After all the help given to Lim, he still betrayed Erap. I hate ingrate. A dog is even better than Lim.

        Erap is no angel. He never says he’s one. Unlike others who deny even when caught, Erap never denies that he has vices. This is one quality I like in him. He’s not a hypocrite. I hate hypocrites.

      • Jane Tan

        I hate hypocrites too. But, wishing for better governance and electing a person who lacks education and may well end up as a puppet is being a hypocrite.

        And what’s wrong with being an ingrate if it means giving the people a better class of Mayor? If a corrupt official gave you money to pay your bills, would you later help him commit crimes? Frankly, I’d have more respect for Lim stabbing Erap in the back rather than help him commit crimes out of gratitude.

      • Noel

        You speak as if Lim is clean. Aside from causing the city treasury bankrupt, he used his influence in releasing from police arrest of his drug addict son in Manila.

        Education is not a measurement of one’s honesty and governance. Look at GMA who called herself as an expert in economics and was educated in the US. She used her education and alleged economic expertise in stealing money from the tax payers.

  • HENYO TAGAPULOTNGBASURA

    ..ako ay nagtataka…marami akong nababasa komento sa print media..na mga salitang galit at ayaw kay ERAP.. pero nung nakaraang eleksyon… muntik pa manalo with 10+MILLION VOTES.. isa lang ibig sabihin nito.. nabibilang lang sa mga daliri ang ayaw kay ERAP… sa mga haters ni ERAP.. lumayas na lang kayo ng Pinas..hehe..kung ndi nio carry…

    • regd

      Nasa gene kasi yan e. When you support a convicted plunderer, you’re just doing what’s instinctual.

      • BURAYAN

        ..people believe knows the fact..that he was ganged up..wrongly accused, persecuted and convicted by the most corrupt and real plunderer..in Phil. politics and history… that’s the main reason why still few can’t accept this man.. but everybody knows the real story.. every true Filipino know the real story of ERAP’s life..

    • calipso_2100

      “marami akong nababasa komento sa print media..na mga salitang galit at ayaw kay ERAP”

      Because those who voted for him do not know how to read/write.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Justice for Erap is justice for all Filipinos. Make Erap be mayor of Manila, the capital city of PH.

        Justice for the oppressed Filipinos. Erap mayor ng Manila.

  • Stuubs

    there are no permanent friends and foes in politics, only permanent self interest !

  • yaonglaan

    Plunder ang kaso nahatulan tumatakbo pa only in the Phils

  • Rogers Nelson Uy

    Manila City = Basura City and Illegal vendors city at Squatters City

    San Juan = Kelangan pa ba icompare kung sino basura dito?

    Mayor Lim = mamamatay tao at pinaka walang kwentang Mayor

  • WAJ

    Bakit ba pinayagan ng COMELEC si Joseph Estrada na tumakbo sa pagka Mayor ng Maynila? Di ba ex-convict itong taong ito? Ano bang klaseng justice system meron ang Pilipinas? Lalong umaabuso ang mga tao katulad ni Joseph Estrada kapag walang pagbabago? Bantayan ninyo mga kababayan kapag nanalo siya sa pagka Mayor itong taong ito, babawiin niyang lahat ang mga ariarian na nakulimbat (nakaw) niya na sai sequester ng pamahalaan at nagastos niya sa paglilitis sa kanya at hindi lang yun, magnanakaw na naman siya.

  • $18209031

    Hehehehee, good job Mayor Lim ! Yang si Estrada at Moreno mga bastos mga ito typical of corrupt politicians of the tagalegleg clan. Ang alam lang mga ito ay mangungurakot, kokotong, palabras at pa pogi, at mananakut. Walang silbe mga ito.

    Mabuhay ka Mayor Lim !! Huhulihin ninyo ang mga alipores sa mga partido ni Erap at Moreno. Alam natin ang mga modus sa mga dalawa nito.

  • Noypi11

    Kalangan na talagang huwag nang mabigyan pa ng puwesto sa gobyerno itong magnanakaw na si Erap Estrada. Siguro wala na siyang dilihensiya kaya kailangan niyang bumalik sa gobyerno. Di siya makabalik sa puwesto sa San Juan dahil nakaupo doon ang kaniyang kabit, kaya dumayo sa Maynila. Manila voters: magpaka talino kayo. Itapon sa basurahan si Erap!

  • boybakal

    Mayor Lim is a good mayor when it comes to crimes.
    But Erap is a good mayor when it comes to crimes and development.
    Look how progress San Juan now from being a small barrio.
    The squatters are gone….they were relocated.

    If Erap will become Mayor, for sure, he will clean Manila not only of criminals but squatters.
    Bring back Manila to where it was before….Manila the old beautiful city.
    Vote Erap….for Manila’s progress.

    • calipso_2100

      I think you mean..
      Lim is good against crimes.
      But Erap is a good AT crimes. LOL
      Actually, not so good. He got caught and convicted. ROFLOL!!!

  • UrHONOR

    SI Erap da krrrp at si Bnay da bilyoneyr….IISA ang HULMA: Tingnan ninyo ang mga na-ipwestong mga ka-pamilya sa gobierno….mulang asawa hanggang sa kahuli-hulihang anak (mga anak sa ano, sa kaso ni earp da krrrp). Kopyang-kopya ng egoy ang ginawa ng isa sa malaking dambuhalang MMM ng bayan.

    Pag napwesto yang TNL na si Erap da krrp at Moreno……matutuo yang si Moreno sa idolo nya at di maglalaon, pamilya na ni Moreno ang magpapatakbo ng Maynila.

  • koolkid_inthehouse

    what kind of garbage people in politics. How come it’s the plunderers picture in there and not the mayor? I hate that looks.

  • boybakal

    Sino ang iboboto nyo….Si Erap na malaki ang tenga o si Lim na singkit.
    Si Erap na kasi, malaki ang tenga, mahaba ang buhay….Ibig sabihin magsisilbi pa ng matagal at tapat.

    • nes911

      He he. Di mo slam na may sakit na si erap at nabubuhay na lng sa saksak ng stem cells. Tingnan mo na lng kung magsalita, laging lasing at kinakapos ng hininga.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Si Lim puro puti na ang buhok nya. Matandang ulyanin na talaga ….. Whei !

    • ARIKUTIK

      Si Lim ay ulyanin na. Nagkape sa restaurant, nalimutan nyang may na hostage sa Luneta. Paktay tuloy yong mga turista.

      Gusto ba nating malimutan din tayo ni Lim ? Paktay tayo diyan ! weeeeee…. bye !

  • w33k3nd3r

    Correction: ALL OF YOU ARE LIARS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/reuben.t.santos Reuben T. Santos

    Erap might win because of the bakya crowd not knowing that he is a convicted and a politically pardoned plunderer of the people’s money.

    • nes911

      Wala ng bakya crowd sa maynila.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Street crowd ang meron sa Manila. Post office lang ang walang crowd. Nya….hahaha…….

    • ARIKUTIK

      Ang botante ni Lim ano namang tawag sa kanila, Paktay crowd ?
      Paktay tayo diyan sa baho ng basura ni Lim……. weeeeeeeee >>>>>>>>>>

  • Amador Amor

    If Erap wins, I will boldly state that majority of the Manila voters are really stupid. Erap is a well known lasenggero, babaero (maraming babae at mga anak sa labas), Lord of jueteng at convicted plunderer. And one more thing… Some 12-15 yrs. ago, Mon Tulfo wrote in his column that during a flag ceremony in front of the municipality of San Juan where a throng of policement stood at attention, here came Erap, walking groggily (after drinking for so many hours in the night), peed at the back of the police and even castigated the cop. Imagine, inihian ni Erap ang likod ng pulis at galit pa siya. Again, this was in the column of Mon Tulfo and now, he and Erap are buddy-buddies. Magkano Mon ang binigay sa iyo ni Erap?

    • ARIKUTIK

      Si Lim umiinom sa restaurant habang may ma massacre sa Luneta. Inuna pa ni Lim ang pag inom kahit mamatay ang lahat. Ulyaning mayabang …. eeeeewwwwww >>>>>>>>>>>>

    • John atm

      And you believe Tulfo and even quoted his column. If Tulfo says the pope is Christian I will now have a doubt.

      I despise Erap though and so with the Comelec for allowing this plunderer to again run for office …

      • Amador Amor

        I still have the Inquirer copy of that column of Tulfo. Sinulat iyon ni Tulfo 12-15 years ago nung Mayor pa si Erap at puro inom lang ang ginagawa. Mayor ka na lasenggo at iniihian ang pulis na nakaattention.

  • rodben

    may solid vote kasi itong si erap kya kabado ang makalaban noong presidential election kong nahati ang INC Pangulo parin sya ngayon ng Pinas at tyak pinatatalsik na naman ng mga elitista mahirap talagang maging leader ng Pinas ang pro-poor…

    • ernesto

      pro poor bro.kayo mahirap si erap yumayaman.pinapansin ka ba ni erap

  • brunogiordano

    Noon si ERAP ay popular ACTOR.

    Ngayon ang pagkakakilala ng mga tao sa kanya ay isang NOTORIOUS EX-CONVICT.

    CONVICTED PLUNDERER (pusakal na mandarambong).

    Sa SAN JUAN baka makatsamba pa siyang manalong MAYOR.

    Sa MAYNILA???? NO WAY.

    Kahit sa TONDO talo siya.

    Wanna bet????

  • doublecross

    vote for the right guy…..lim kami!

  • Anqui

    SEND ERAP TO THE MOON, SO HE CAN GIVE LIGHT TO MANILA @ NIGHT!!!

  • A. H. Forrester

    Wow…..with these two front runners in the race for Mayor the future looks bleak.
    An convicted plunderer, and an incumbent mayor who has allowed Manila to remain as a large festering garbage dump. Hopeless!

  • farmerpo

    Kawawang Maynila. Kung kelan tumanda, tsaka sinasalanta.

  • dodot24

    Sa mga rally ni Erap halos lahat ay mga taga San Juan na pinadala at hindi taga Maynila.
    Hinahanda lang ni Erap ang Maynila para sa mga anak pa niya sa labas dahil nag aaway na sa San Juan tungkol sa pulitika. At higit sa lahat malaki ang kikitain niya sa Tondo doon sa huweteng.

  • maypakialamtayo

    kapag nanalo si erap sa maynila, sa loob ng tatlong taon unti-unti naring makikilala ang panganay nyang anak kay laarni enriquez na taal na taga tondo, yun ang papalit sa kanya, kawawang isko, hindi nagiisip, papayag ba si erap sa kanya ipapasa ang susunod na termino, kaya nga hindi na siya pwede sa san juan dahil nandon na lahat ang mga lahi nya mapa kabit, anak sa labas, anak, pamangkin, kaibigan, kainuman, dapat syempre yung kay laarni mabigyan din ng pwesto.

  • Cubano

    HUWAG IBOTO ANG MGA KASAMA NG POLITICAL DYNASTIES….

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.catapang Gary Catapang

    dami talagang tanga…bakit maiimpluwensyahan ba ng mga comment nyo ang mga botante ng maynla?kahit ano png pintas ang gawin nyo sa mga kandidatong yan, wala kau mapapala…hindi makikinig snu mga botante.subukan yong gumastos katulad ng mga kandidato na nangangampanya para sa boto,gawin nyo yon para ipangampanya na huwag sila iboto, baka sakali my mapala kau…mga bobo.

  • HENYO TAGAPULOTNGBASURA

    eto na ang totoong inaantay ng mga TAGA MAYNILA… panahon na para mawala na ang matinding baha sa ESPANYA na kahit tag araw..panahon na para mapasara na mga hubaran at prostitusyon sa RECTO at AVENIDA..panahon na para maalis na ang talamak na RED TAPE sa loob ng CITY HALL…at mga KOTONG COPS at KOTONG TRAFFIC ENFORCERS sa mga kalsadahan ng MAYNILA.. na hindi kayang gawin ni LIM at ATIENZA..kahit magpalit-palitan pa sila humawak ng MAYNILA..kay ERAP isang termino lang yan…sa mga haters ni ERAP.. pwede ba wag kayo makialam dito samin sa MAYNILA..pakialaman nio ang mga SYUDAD nio…

  • Jay Ramos

    Mayor Lim is better than Erap, but Lim must do something to really revive the city of Manila to be number one in the country..in terms or cleanliness, peace and order and business opportunities as his last legacy when re-elected .

  • kinutil

    GINAGAWA LANG SINTO SINTO NI ESTRADA ANG MGA TAGA MAYNILA,TINGNAN nyo kapag natalo yan sa maynila lilipat naman yan sa makati at Titira ng isang taon para magiging kwalipikadong tumakbong pagka MAYOR.

  • kinutil

    BOBO si ERAP kaya nga hindi nakatapos sa pag-aaral yan,ngunit napakatuso pagdating sa PERA at kapangyarihan kaya niyang pasusunurin lahat pati na yong mga matalinong tao kaya nga hindi maipagtataka na lalong dumadami ang mga bobo sa PILIPINAS.

  • doublecross

    estrad, you are not a respectable person…magnanakaw!

  • pinoyislander

    hay kawawa naman mga tgamaynila pag si erap ang manalo.

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