Reforms in Vatican bureaucracy loom under Pope Francis

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Argentina's Jorge Mario Bergoglio was elected Pope Francis I on Wednesday, becoming the first Latin American pontiff in a surprise decision that signalled a desire for a more open Catholic Church.


VATICAN–The election as pope of Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who as archbishop of Buenos Aires in Argentina had tangled with state authorities over abortion, homosexual marriage, and the culture wars, is expected to provide a pastoral polish to the conservative theology of his predecessors, Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

Like Blessed John Paul, Pope Francis has called the liberal call for contraception, abortion and euthanasia as part of the “culture of death.” And like Benedict who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and doctrinal watchdog of John Paul II had called homosexuality an “objective disorder,” the new pope has come up with harsher language to depict the gay rights movement pushing for “same-sex marriage”: he has called it a “demonic movement.”

In short, Bergoglio provides both continuity and consolidation to the much lauded—or criticized—conservative stance of John Paul and Benedict.

Often derided for taking allegedly dogmatic positions on HIV-Aids and other issues of sexual morality, Benedict was perceived as theologically brilliant but pastorally deficient.

As a prelate actively engaged in various ministries for the family and the poor in Argentina, Bergoglio is expected to provide the pastoral or practical underpinning to the Chuch’s highly unpopular stand on the very divisive issues.

Bergoglio was made a cardinal by John Paul in the consistory of 2001. Depending on varying accounts of the papal conclave of 2005 that elected John Paul’s successor, he was said to have been runner-up to Benedict XVI or at least, his name had figured in the initial ballot.  (A conclave is confidential and cardinal-electors take a vow of secrecy.)

Other accounts said it was another Jesuit contender, Milan Archbishop Emeritus Carlo Maria Martini, who was pitted against Ratzinger.

Under Benedict, Bergoglio became a member of the obligatory congregations such as the Congregation for the Clergy and Pontifical Council for Family.

Bergoglio also follows the cautious legacy of John Paul and Benedict on social justice.

While John Paul wrote the celebrated social encyclical on labor and justice, Laborem Excersens, and Benedict excoriated liberal capitalism, they were critical of the theology of liberation, a distinctly Latin American theology that provided a political reading of the Bible to connect it with the alleged structural injustice in South America and the need to liberate people from such an unfair system.

Ratzinger, as doctrinal watchdog, condemned liberation theology for its use of Marxist analysis. His 1984 “Instruction on Certain Aspects of the ‘Theology of Liberation’” was supported by Pope John Paul II, who having come from Communist Poland and spearheaded the movement that led to the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe, was necessarily wary of any political philosophy that freely borrowed from Marxism.

Although eschewing the triumphalist trappings of the usual high church functionary to better identify himself with the poor, Bergoglio is perceived ambivalently on social justice and human rights.

The Argentinian Church has been criticized for its establishment connections, especially since it receives state subsidy. His fellow Jesuit priest, Orlando Yorio, had criticized him when he was head of the Argentinian Jesuits in the 1970’s for failing to endorse the activist work of the Jesuits against the former military dictatorship.

Reform of Vatican bureaucracy

Although a member of a number of dicasteries, Bergoglio is a Vatican outsider and his election should indicate that the cardinal-electors had felt the reform of the Vatican bureaucracy would have to come from the outside and not within.

The overhaul of the bureaucracy has been seen as paramount considering Pope Benedict’s short reign was marred by the “Vatican leaks” scandal and other instances of red tape and factional struggles. Vatican observer Alberto Meloni has suggested that the reform should be made by devolution and “consultation with bishop conferences.”

As reelected president of the Argentine bishops conference, Bergoglio may do just that, but the initiative may run counter to the legacy of Benedict and even John Paul.

In the Ratzinger Report (1985), the Pope Emeritus said the Episcopal conferences “have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church as willed by Christ.”

Benedict however upheld the “conciliarism” of the Second Vatican Council and connected it with bishops’ unity with the papacy.

In earlier books commenting on the reforms of the council, where he was a peritus or theological adviser from 1962-1965, he said that the unity of the Church is rooted in the Episcopate (the bishops who are the magisterium or the teaching authority of the Church) and the unity of the bishops requires the existence of a fellow bishop who is head of the college of bishops—the Bishop of Rome and successor of St. Peter.

Still, for Ratzinger, episcopal conferences are just a clearing house of issues, its opinions and discussions are not theologically binding.

In 1998, at Ratzinger’s prodding, Pope John Paul II released the apostolic letter, Apostolos Suos, in which it was declared that bishops conferences could not issue statements on doctrine or morality without unanimity among its members or prior approval from the Holy See.

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  • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

    Vatican reforms… trace money laundering? reject homosexuality? excommunicate everyone not abiding to the Christian faith?

    this pope will be dead in less than a year if he will do what is good.

    • jajabeltran

      ang galing galing mo brad! sobrang talino mo! dapat ikaw na lang nagpapalakad ng simbahan.

      • reddfrog

        Why would any intelligent person want to be part of a superstition?

      • Nuon

         because he is intelligent enough to know that it is NOT “superstition”; unlike others who are self-declared intellect.

      • boypalaban

         dapat kang sambahin…ang galing mo….

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        sa hina ng ulo mo, siguradong hindi ikaw ang dapat jan.

        panahon ng kastila, daming Pilipino excommunicated. basahin mo ulit.

  • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

    what happened to tagle? why is the article on tagle not found in inquirer?

    • freeview

      Tagles was never considered, because of philippine media per a correspondent…Cadrinals have told an interview so many times , that the votes leans toward some cardinasl who are not in the media…Blame media…starting with  Korina Snchez who has been rubbing the issue on Tagle’s popularity..so with GMA tv.while leading foreign networks like cnn, bbc and aljazeera do not even mention tagle at all….They all mentioned italian cardinals as possible sucessor.

      • LJ1200

        What do you expect with Philippine media?  They always sensationalize news especially topics about Pinoy Pride.

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        that’s what i said. even the pope of America’s is Italian.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       Tagle didn’t make it.  He’s yesterday’s news.

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        beforehand, I already said that. inaakyat pa lang siya ng inquirer.

    • rock_steady

      You walk in the conclave a Pope, you leave a Cardinal.. that’s how the saying goes. And still is true thus far.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    TEAM PEDOPHILES….CBCP  !!

    • boypalaban

       musta na bunganga mo transgender? ubos na ba ngipin mo sa kasusubo ng ari?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYRtmMxB5yw CrossWinds

    The Church doesn’t need more watering down to accomodate every lifestyle there is. It needs the fire of the Holy Spirit to purify it……….
    …….Ephesians 5:26-27………
    26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish………. .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    It appears that the Catholic church will remain stuck in the mud with the new pope.  Too bad.

    • danielmondejar

      That if you look from a muddied point of view!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5ILTYYTQK5B35FDKCFEYQDKG7Q Jerry

        Exactly.  

  • alfred sanchez

    ariba anti catholic

  • Horst Manure

    More of the same , buy a can of Priest Off to spray on your kids each day before they go out.

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    the catholic church are only for the gullible.

    • politics201138

      TheHappyAgnostic:

      That’s what you think!

      • TheHappyAgnostic

         yes, it is because i can think.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5ILTYYTQK5B35FDKCFEYQDKG7Q Jerry

        So ur the only one who can think here?  Hellowww!!!!

      • TheHappyAgnostic

         no, you just have reading comprehension problem.

  • boi skater

    This is pretty much more of the same. A very old and very conservative pope. I don’t know much about this pope but hopefully he has more charisma and communication skill than Benedict.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5ILTYYTQK5B35FDKCFEYQDKG7Q Jerry

      Hope he’ll be like St Francis.

  • marionics

    announcement sa flip (you know who you are), hindi na muna kita papansinin ngayon a at di ko feel ngayon makipagkulitan sa may topak he he

    • Crazy_horse101010

      i know who he is hee hee hee

      • marionics

        yup. i’m sure everyone does he he

      • Crazy_horse101010

        yeah i see him cheering at least no heretic yet when it happens i have surprise for him

      • marionics

        wow, it looks like he is soooooo high with the pope thing e he is ignoring all the catholic cajolers so far. mukha yatang he is soooo full of love right now so he’s not in a fighting mood. let’s how long that will last he he

      • Crazy_horse101010

        it will last until the pope makes a reform he dont like then the heretic word will come out again

      • marionics

        he just showed up hahahaha

        ganitong oras pala ang time in niya hahaha

  • Fulpol

    another conservative….

    another disappointment to liberal Catholics…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Habemus Papam Pope Francis! Mabuhay Pope Francis!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

      TEAM CAPALMUX MUKAKIS BAKLAIS….CBCP   !!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shirley-Emz/100002942795402 Shirley Emz

        bobo!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5ILTYYTQK5B35FDKCFEYQDKG7Q Jerry

        what does CBCP got to do with the Pope.  Pope Francis does not answer to the CBCP but to the 1.2B catholics. 

      • boypalaban

         na puwet ka ba ng obispo?
        kasuhan mo para magka-pera ka…hindi yung ngawa ka nang ngawa dito…

        nga pala…meron akong petroleum jelly para sa wepaks mo transgender….

  • UrHONOR

    FIRST THING to do is TO EUNUCHIZE all licensed agents in white gowns to totally annihilate Pedophilia.  

  • lucidlynx

    Mr. Zulueta, mag research ka muna. Kasing konserbatibo ni Ratzinger ang bagong pope. Hindi porke Jesuit siya may pagka-liberal na siya.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Correct…they are princes of the Church! They protect the teachings of the Lord!

      Let s be glad and rejoice! Habemus Papam, Pope Francis!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Prayers for the world! Prayers for the Universal Church!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Peace! This day is a great celebration of the Universal Church! All are rejoicing! Habemus Papam! How glorious it is! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    TEAM HYPOCRITES…CBCP !!!

  • tita_cacayan

    CBCP we have to call for people power , na dagdag bawas tayo

  • $23257130

     luto.tagle pa rin. bwahahahahahaha

  • tita_cacayan

    sana ganyan din ang botohan sa pilipinas ,idaan sa usok na lang para tipid ,pag itim si binay ,pag puti si roxas pag wala si bong revilla

    • Ari Putan

      Excellent….Lol!

    • patrickinca

       hahahahahahaha

  • sk2tk

    nde si TAGLE ang napili kse BULOK daw ang nasa likuran nya, ang CBCP ( pinaka HYPOCRITE sa buong sanlibutan ) HAHAHA.

  • Ari Putan

    What reform? Better to stop worshiping Mary but only Jesus.
    Now the Fafa is highlighting madonna…
    Hay mga sisters…. abi, abi, abi ko tai…..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYAZBOJYIUCRLWTYJBORBVTTOI boyfarmer

       Catholics do not worship Mary, she is venerated and not worshiped due to her role in salvation history, Jesus Christ stayed in her womb for nine months, she cannot just be disregarded, getz nyo? The Catholic church has been around for 2,000 years, kelan lang ba na organize ang religion mo? copy cats. . .

      • Ari Putan

        Why do you call her mother of god? That’s blasphemy..
        God is Alpha and Omega. No mother or father for that matter.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/5ILTYYTQK5B35FDKCFEYQDKG7Q Jerry

        We also refer to Jesus as God and since Mary is the mother of Jesus we say she is the mother of God.  Dont confuse the literal meaning of the word.  Kaya nga tawag dyan faith because we believe even if we dont see. 

      • Ari Putan

        Really? You can call her mother of Jesus, enough.
        But not mother of God….as God is the beginning and end.
        Gets mo?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        she is worshipped  ive seen people lined up for a kilometer just to kiss her feet and there is a shrine near me that has nothing to do with god or jesus just mary it is where thousands come to be cured by her.  and no one else

      • Crazy_horse101010

        the catechism of the council of trent says these words. it is lawful to have images in church and to give honor and worship unto them. sounds like worship to me

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shirley-Emz/100002942795402 Shirley Emz

        give your exact text in catechism

      • Crazy_horse101010

        i only write what is written  so ask the council of trent

      • sk2tk

          another SANTONG KABAYO at BANAL na ASO. HAHAHA

  • sk2tk

    buti na lng nde si TAGLE ang NAPILI, kung nagkagayon, malamang ang CBCP eepal hanggang VATICAN, panigurado BABAHIRAN ng MALISYA lahat ng desisyon sa VATICAN pag nde PABOR sa kanila. HAHAHA.

    KASING BULOK NG CBCP ANG PULITIKA SA PILIPINAS. WAHAHAHA

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYAZBOJYIUCRLWTYJBORBVTTOI boyfarmer

       ikaw ang bulok

      • sk2tk

         another SANTONG KABAYO at BANAL na ASO. HAHAHA

  • scy.no.med

    Now that we have a new pope in charge, I’m excited to see all the exciting progressive changes he’ll hold back.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LPLWHPS7B5WPHPRAREXBIP2BIY renato

    Thank you Mr. Zulueta for your insightful, and well researched piece.  It is too early to tell how Pope Francis I will respond to the crisis the RCC is going thru at the moment. His choice of ‘FRANCIS’ foreshadows a much needed radical reform, since St. Francis of Assisi exemplifies simplicity, humility, option for the poorest of the poor. As Jesus Xt said to Francis of Assisi :”Go Francis and repair my church in ruins.”

    • Ari Putan

      First let your pope dress up like a man.
      Hel looks like a woman with that kind of robe…
      Parang mother….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LPLWHPS7B5WPHPRAREXBIP2BIY renato

        A typical shallow response from you.  Ideas and insights please, not externalities.   

      • Ari Putan

        OK. lets look into internalities… 
        May suot na brief kaya ang Fafa?

      • Dancing Bear

        Say the same thing about the North Africans to the Arabs up to the Caucus regions. Men there still wear the same flowing robes and even up to the turn of the 20th century, European men still wore a sort of sleeping robe at home. Your prejudice is very obvious, ignorance, blight. Sad that you have to harangue a religion to promote yours. Very Jesus like. Didn’t you know that Jesus was an alien?

      • boypalaban

         yung mga judges na mandarambong pati mga nasa supreme court naka robe din…

      • Ari Putan

        At may sira ulo pa…. at yong leader-leader nila naniningil ng kahoy! Lol!

  • francisgmp

    What a trash article, this one is. I’ve always
    known that the Philippine Daily Inquirer tries oh-so-hard to mimic the
    New York Times’ editorial style (read: anti-Church). Guess what, the
    New York Times has already painted a more objective portrayal of the new
    pope. Move forward, PDI. You’re still stuck in the journalistic
    medieval era.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZHWIA2RDTMKXABKEOKDSRLLJ3Y Wowo

      Why so sensitive to criticism? You don’t really want PDI to move forward; you just want a fawning press. You want the press to go back to the Dark Ages when you can’t publicly criticize the pope.

      Anyway, take a look at what the Catholic writer Garry Wills wrote over at the New York Review of Books website, “Does the Pope Matter?”

      An excerpt:

      “With the election of a new pope, the press will repeat old myths—that Christ made Peter the first pope, and that there has been an ‘apostolic succession’ of popes from his time. Scholars, including great Catholic ones like Raymond Brown and Joseph Fitzmyer, have long known that Peter was no pope. He was not even a priest or a bishop—offices that did not exist in the first century. And there is no apostolic succession, just the twists and tangles of interrupted, multiple, and contested office holders. It is a rope of sand.”

    • superpilipinas

      Yes. Inquirer is so obviously anti-RC.

      But that’s OK, Catholics are aware of it and even if they portray RC in the worst possible way, they have no way to bring it down and RC actually gets even stronger.

      Inquirer has become what it used to be against, a biased news source.

      Inquirer has made the mistake of patronizing the Aquino administration to the point of likening itself to Manila Bulletin in the Marcos era. Because of this, it gives opportunity for a better news company to rise. Just like in the Marcos era when Inquirer rose to bring down Manila Bulletin.

      Inquirer used to be like PCIJ which is unbiased.

      If you want journalism at its best, read PCIJ (Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism) news. Google them.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        only in africa is it getting stronger millions have left in latin america north america and europe. some countries lost 70 percent such as holland

  • Ramses

    As Archibishop of Buenos Aires, Pope Francis I lived in a one-bedroom apartment, did household chores, cooked his own meals, and take public transportation.  The CBCP members are doing much better, thank you very much.

    • Magsasaka

       same attributes with Pope John Paul I but he was assassinated thru poisoning when he was to implement reform within the vatican, shame on the vatican mafia.

    • Dancing Bear

      You should check out the president of Uruguay.

    • jgl414567

       Philippine bishops have their own pajeros and donated by a plundering president at that, SHAME ON THESE HYPOCRITE BISHOPS PWEH!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    Hmm.. I wonder why our very own cardinals did not make it. For sure PHL has all the plusses. We are the only country without divorce law, it took us about a decade and a half to pass an RH law, and at present we got the most “Damasos” in the entire RC church.. jok onli.. Congratz to Argentina!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AQO42OKHLSTTQCV7ZURM7TE6RE yahoo-AQO42OKHLSTTQCV7ZURM7TE6RE

    Ang dami pang side comments. kahit hindi related ma-i-relate lang. Kaya hindi umuunlad ang bansa. mashado niyong pinagaaway ang gobyerno at ang simbahan. tayo din mismo ang sumisira sa samahan na tayo ang gumawa. What’s done is done. hindi si tagle. end of story. Let’s all rejoice. Catholics has its pope again after the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI. Someone who has a pure heart and i strongly believe that God chooses him to lead the Catholics towards Eternal Life.

  • antoncervantesjr

    for the sake of decency, please give respect to each other.

    for those who get off heckling others, please stop.

    its sad and shallow, that the highlight of your day is getting a response from your insenstive uneducated comments

  • Dancing Bear

    No Church for me please. I’m fine with thinking for my own. Someday, I want to be free to marry my cat and divorce the dog. As a former Catholic, it’s good that the new Pope is non-European, though still with Italian roots though. If I was to go back to religion, I’d still choose Catholicism than those born-again Christian churches. They’re like Jesus came with Prozac. I really don’t understand what “progressive reforms” are? The problem with those who want reforms is that these people want to change the Church according to what they believe to be right. If the Church doesn’t suit your needs, then leave. Why force it on the Church to accept priest marriage, female ordainment, homo marriages, etc….It’s against the dogma and that’s it. If you don’t want it then GTFO. I did, though it has more to do with faith than anything else. I have none.

    • Magsasaka

       well said bro

  • superpilipinas

    The Church can only get better.

    Problems take the church a step backward ….but reforms bring it ten steps forward.

    Even if news sources like Inquirer steps up its attacks.

    God’s will be done.

  • w33k3nd3r

    It’s sad to read that his mind is as closed as the gates of the Garden of Eden. It’s gonna be a He|| of a ride for this one (pun intended).

  • jgl414567

    The new pope’s  harsher language to depict the gay rights
    movement pushing for “same-sex marriage”: calling it a “demonic
    movement” makes him a bigot and doesn’t bode well for the Catholic Church’s image as an ultra conservative religion and out of touch with the changing times. For all we know many priests are gay that’s why there has been many child molestation scandals against priests, HYPOCRITES just like the pharisees in Jesus times!

    • boypalaban

      so, do you suggest that because there are many gay priests, the Pope should favor same sex marriage?

      will child molestation of gay priests lessen because of same sex marriage?

      is favoring same-sex marriage one of the qualities of a liberal-minded person?

      • Magsasaka

         maganda ang mga katanungan mo huwag mo ng patulan yan masakit sa pandinig nya ang sinabi ng Pope kasi…………, alam mo na hehehe

      • boypalaban

        thanks for the advice…
        magkakampi tayo ngayon…
        sa RH issue mortal na magkalaban…hahahahha

      • Magsasaka

        ganon talaga hehehe sa opinyon lang tayo magkatalo minsan hehehe

      • jgl414567

         You are another bigot who is so ignorant of the issue of equality for all people irregardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. Wars and human sufferings are caused by people who have arrogant attitudes and beliefs like you. May your ignorant tribe decrease a thousandfold!

      • Magsasaka

        just because i am not siding with gay i am ignorant, do you ever wonder why gay increment in numbers despite the fact that you don’t have a womb?in the beginning there is only a man and a woman so there’s a bigger chance that your kind will get wiped out so don’t pray for it.

      • jgl414567

         Do not put your words into my mouth. You are a bigot too if you are homophobic and bigots have no place in a civilized society where there should be respect for people of all races,religion or sexual orientation!

        Equal rights is a very fundamental concept of a civilized society without it freedom and democracy will perish and even your freedom to express your opinion here will cease! You have not learned the lessons of civil rights movements because of slavery and the evil apartheid regime and the third reich of Hitler which all caused great tragedies in human history just because of disrespect and utter disregard of other people’s belief, status and race and here you are helping oppress a sector of society just because they have a different sexual orientation. I have many gay friends and relatives and they are decent people!

        I hope you will not have a son or daughter who is gay and who will suffer silently because of homophobes or people like you who either deride or hate homosexuals. SHAME!!

      • boypalaban

        did i say that i am against freedom, equal rights, etc?

        just answer my questions….do not evade…do not divert the issue…

        my questions are so simple and can be answered by either YES or NO…

        there is no need for me to explain further…

        just state your answer…many readers/posters here want to know your answer…

  • mabuhay_si_marKy

    i’m not a catholic, but glad that there’s a new pope. praying that he will be able to lead the church into the trials of the Body of Christ. we need Christ back into our church and into our land.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y Sarrah

    GOD BLESS POPE FRANCIS,GOD BLESS CATHOLIC BRETHREN.

  • Twister12

    Now kick all the pedophile priests as well as those with children at ang mga Father na “Tatay”. In USA alone the compensation for sex abused amounts to more than 2 billion dollars. Imagine how many abuses was that.Here in the Philippines, I’m sure it’s more than doubled. Priest’s in the Philippines I think are the worst kind.

    • sanjuan683

       Mayroon anomalies sa organization ng catholic kaya nagresign yun isang pope hindi kaya sugpuin.

      • Magsasaka

         yan yong vatican mafia, sila nagpapatay ka Pope John Paul I, santo papa sa loob lang ng 33 araw

  • Pablo316

    Starting today the world will have the opportunity to put to
    the test the 900-year old Prophecy of the Popes by St. Malachy.

    I’m neither vouching for it nor brushing it aside but in
    obedience to what the Bible tells us not to treat prophecies with contempt (see
    1 Thessalonians 5:20) we should then have a wait-and-see attitude.

    But as for the prophecies written in the Bible, we can trust
    them 100 percent that will happen sooner or later in the future, especially
    those prophecies that are clearly not yet fulfilled.

    One such yet unfulfilled prophecy is that of Damascus in
    Syria where it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited city on Earth since
    the ancient times yet the Bible foretells in Isaiah chapter 17 that in an
    instant at early morning it will be turned into a heap of ruins and will cease
    to be a n inhabited city. This can happen sooner or later but it will surely
    happen for the mouth of God has spoken it.

    With this let me arouse the interest of God-fearing people
    to prayerfully peruse the pages of the written words of God and see and learn
    for yourselves what really is the will of God that leads to your salvation.
    Read, study and live the pure and unadulterated teachings of the Bible
    God-fearing people, God bless!

    “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching,
    rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God
    may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:17)

    “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a
    gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As
    we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a
    gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians
    1:8-9)

    • Twister12

      So as the teaching of the Jews, the Muslims & the rest of the religion around the world. The thing is everybody can write anything & after a thousand years people will view it as some kind of prophecy. 

    • boypalaban

       eto na naman…

      di mo pa nasasagot yung mga tanong ko dati…

      wala nang naniniwala sa yo dito…

      sige post ka…pansayang espasyo lang…

  • Ari Putan

    I fairness… ang POGI ng Fafa!

  • franciscoyapanalagbate

    Thanks God!  Habemus Papam!  Amen!  I believe that Almighty God heard the Cardinals’ plea for Divine Guidance and enlightened their hearts/mind to have a new Pope that soon.  It behooves us all to unceasingly pray with the the new RCC leader,  Pope Francis 1.  Let us all unite in honor and glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.  It will be for our good/sake to be united with Pope Francis 1
    rather than criticising one another.  Amen.   

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The smell of the demos stinks so much. Bad bad smell! There are lots of them here!

  • krizzibarra

    i demand a re-count. Tagle was cheated.

  • patrickinca

    This is a good blessing from the Lord for he is a Jesuit priest. We all
    know that the Jesuit order are renowned for their liberal thinking and are
    responsible for a lot of discoveries especially in science and
    philosophy even if it is going against the dogma of the church. They where ones persecuted by the church for their utmost belief that the conscience are more important than dogma. The Jesuits are known as the church’s smartest
    order, as well as the largest. But a sinister fame has kept them from
    the papacy –- until now. This pope is totally old school for he prefers riding the public commute rather than being chauffeured around, doing his own cooking and very very humble, compared to a lot of priest here in the Philippines. This will be recorded in history as the very first full time jesuit pope!

    • boypalaban

       how about the jesuits here in the philippines?

      • patrickinca

          Well if you go back, you will see that even some jesuits are in favor of the RH bill.  Even in history, there is a tense relationship between the jesuits and the vatican when it comes to abortion, homosexuality, female deacons, birth control and the liberation of theology. That is how liberal they are when it comes to ideas. I’m not surprised that the word reform is used when this pope was appointed. The jesuits where hated by the mainstream priestly orders and where even persecuted (even  murdered and burned in the stakes) and where not allowed to become a pope. The jesuit order where founded to the purpose of reforming the church from within. The best thing that I admired from the jesuits because they will not allow themselves from being dictated by the authority of the vatican. Which is ironic now that we got a pope who is a jesuit.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        they were the only order in south america that treated the indians like people but when the other orders found out they went to the pope and  they were removed from south america and the enslavement and murders went on, even to this day as in brazil

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. If you think Pope Francis will be for RH, you are so mistaken.

        No cardinal or priest, Jesuit or not, is pro-RH. Simply because the contraceptive us for birth control is against Catholic teachings.

        Maybe you are talking about Jesuit schooled people like Aquino…he-he-he.

        Jesuit priests as well as young priests allow critical thinking by each individual…he-he-he…but not liberal thinking. Old traditional priests are opposed to critical thinking.

      • patrickinca

         Did I say Pope Francis will be for RH? I am just describing the historical facts. Please go do some research which order are the priest who are for the RH bill. And also do some research for which priest who are vocally against the patay and buhay posters. You will noticed that all of them are jesuits. I don’t care about this anti- RH and pro-RH thing. For me, that is history. When it comes to the “liberal” word… forgive me for I should had used the word “critical” instead.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        1962 pope paul v1 appointed a commission to study birth control there were 58 bishpos on the commision . they met for 2 years with doctors other churches then voted 55 voted for birth control when the catholic world found out they were celebrating, but hte 3 losers had a secret meeting with the pope and talked him out of it so he overturned his commission. a waste of 2 years. 1970 a poll among bishops in the west revealed over 60 percent were for birth control. the vatican panicked and start lying and scaring people in the third countries. telling they were going to die taking the pill and the west was going to take their kids and the condom had holes in it

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he. that’s really funny. which komiks are you reading?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        ps study your history because you are wrong again. priests are even forcing nuns to take the pill while raping them and the church fired the nuns and supported the priests in africa priests are handing out condoms because of the aids problem this was even reported in papers here. oh the nun raping is from a official vatican investigation 

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he. ok, keep on feeding your imagination. if you enjoy it, go ahead.

        when you mix truth and imagination, perhaps you can sell them. like the Da Vinci Code right?

      • Crazy_horse101010

        he dosent know how to read papers. two of them south are being insulted for their stand

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. Read about Pope Francis background so you understand more…

      You are so wrong about Jesuits with regards to liberal thinking.

      Pope Francis is a good example.

      He is totally against Liberation Teology

      He is totally against liberal thinking like Gay Marriage, Abortion, Divorce, Euthenasia, and Contraceptives use for birth control.

      • patrickinca

         Did I say Pope Francis will be for RH? I am just describing the
        historical facts. What i mentioned didn’t even indicate that the jesuits are against liberation of theology. Historical facts indicated that there is a tense relationship between the vatican and the jesuits about liberation theology. Just history.. maybe we can learn about history so we can save the present and the future.

         Please go do some research which order are the priest
        who are for the RH bill. And also do some research for which priest who
        are vocally against the patay and buhay posters.  You will noticed that
        all of them are jesuits. I don’t care about this anti- RH and pro-RH
        thing. For me, that is history. When it comes to the “liberal” word…
        forgive me for I should had used the word “critical” instead.

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he. no need to research. all priests follow the Catholic doctrines and follow Pope Paul VI’s Humane Vitae which is against RH due to its provision on artificial birth control. if you are a Catholic you would know that. obviously you are not.

        he-he-he. there is never a tense relationship among priests. there are disagreements, many of them….but…he-he-he….nothing tense. tense relationship is not in the world of Catholic priests. Not even from Catholic priests towards non-Catholics.

        Setting up Team Patay, Team Buhay, Team Pikon, etc. posters are irrelevant. Some like it but some don’t. It’s each priest delivering the message in their own preffered way. But the message is always consistent with all.

      • patrickinca

        he-he-he Well you will stay delusional if you dont want to do your research and wont try open your mind to the things that are happening around you. Yes I am catholic and more catholic than you. But I post my stuffs here based on just well researched facts but from experience hand in hand. Go ahead deny that all priest are what you are saying but come and visit us here and i will let you talk to a bunch of jesuit who will tell you differently. You are posting you so called catholic know hows to induce discord and hate to your fellow Catholics. Even if you claim that you are a true catholic, your words and intentions are uncatholic and even unchristian like. You haven’t witnessed yet the inner politics within the priest hood and you claim that there is no such thing in the world of the catholic priest. I am a catholic and more catholic than you if you will know me personally. hahahahahaha

  • InChristAlone_75

    Hebrews 7:23-27Good News Translation (GNT)

    There is another difference: there were many of those other priests, because they died and could not continue their work. But Jesus lives on forever, AND HIS WORK AS PRIEST DOES NOT PASS ON TO SOMEONE ELSE

     And so he is able, now and always, to save those who come to God through him, because he lives forever to plead with God for them.

    Jesus, then, is the High Priest that meets our needs. He is holy; he has no fault or sin in him; he has been set apart from sinners and raised above the heavens. He is not like other high priests; he does not need to offer sacrifices every day for his own sins first and then for the sins of the people. He offered one sacrifice, once and for all, when he offered himself.

    • topolcats

      I was a young student (not Argentinian) in Argentina during the dirty wars, I saw for myself what kind of barbarity was perpetrated on suspected leftists and enemies of the state directed by the US and carried out by the armed forces/police of Argentina under orders from the Junta.

      In my view this New Pope Francis is a “Fascist Collaborator” who stood side by side General Videla while he knowingly knew and condoned murder and the kidnapping of children of the murdered companero’s, his indictment rests on his silence and that of the Church. He refused to be a part of an open court held in Buenos Aires and to answer questions about the involvement and stance of the Church during the times of the Junta dictatorship….. The Fifth Amendment Vatican Style!The Last Pope was an anti aircraft gunner for the Nazi’s in WW2,… what a pair of heroes side by side these two make in history. LOL!

      This Pope is now called a compromise pope? I agree he is a compromise pope. Because “as advertised” he is the only pope 1200 years not to come out of Europe? But apart from an Argentinian passport he might as well be European!
      He is white man from an Italian background, whose mother language is Spanish and Italian, both European languages coming from Europe. Argentinian culture which is a cross breed of European cultures predominantly Spanish and Italian with an important addition of the real home grown culture of Argentina……..I call the federal republic of Tango……..or in normal terms Tango Culture! 
      Needless to say, I would be surprised if the Pope dances Tango?…but miracles can happen they say?

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he…you are just one of those who’d like to think that is true….but even the hundreds of people in Argentina who accused him was not able to produce any single evidence…

        even today….everyone in Argentina knows that was instigated by people against the Church……like you. he-he-he.

      • topolcats

        I do not think you can read what was written much less understand?
        Plenty of evidence actually,specially in Spanish! 

        Read below;from SabinabeckerCom
        What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentine hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church’s collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church’s complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina’s most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circumstances Bergoglio’s name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II.

        I have a home in Argentina you stupid dunce and know a lot more about my city than you do. Firstly as a rule Argentina is the least religious place in South America,Argentina is a Highly Educated Country-Free University educations most certainly helps……it is not Mexico,Nigeria or the Philippines dumbbell!  
        Argentina is a middle class society which offers free medical services and free university education. People do not starve in mass in Argentina unlike the Ph. Because of that and the history of Argentina, like Australia or the USA/UK Church goers are in the decline…….as I said before it is not Mexico or the Philippines where Church attendance is nearly 70% Even the UK has more attendee’s that the Argentinian Church which is rated as 25% mostly old people and dropping fast one way or another sadly!
        Before you open your mouth to dribble garbage please know the topic you are talking about!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        he says the same garbage about america also

      • Crazy_horse101010

        yeah the last pope might have killed my uncle who was on a b 17 that was shot down. he also said nazis were atheists which is funny when you pictures in church and pictures of priests and bishops grinning giving him the nazi salute. even he belt buckles the troops wore said go with god and ehen they killed jews they were doing gods work

    • superpilipinas

      ….and what did Jesus say to Peter….about building the church? Mathew 16:8

      ….and what did Jesus say to the Apostles about them forgiving sins? John 20:23

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
    Main article: Marjoe Gortner
    Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform “miracles” and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner’s explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, but was not shown widely in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.[8]

    • Crazy_horse101010

      yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzz desperate arent you haw haw haw

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Jimmy Swaggart, Marvin Gorman, Jim and Tammy Bakker, 1986 and 1991
    Main articles: Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker
    In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman’s affair with a member of Gorman’s congregation, and also helped expose Bakker’s infidelity with Jessica Hahn (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip).[12] These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart’s own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute.[13] Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying “I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God’s forgiveness.”[14][15]
    Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, “He asked me for sex. I mean, that’s why he stopped me. That’s what I do. I’m a prostitute.”

    • Crazy_horse101010

      yoyr so boring we have read that a dozen times you dont think people already know that. i liked you better when you was talking to your blow up doll cheryl

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    1 List of evangelical Christians involved in scandals
    1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
    1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
    1.3 Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
    1.4 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
    1.5 Neville Johnson, 1983
    1.6 Jimmy Swaggart, Marvin Gorman, Jim and Tammy Bakker, 1986 and 1991
    1.7 Peter Popoff, 1987
    1.8 Morris Cerullo, 1990s
    1.9 Mike Warnke, 1991
    1.10 Robert Tilton, 1991
    1.11 Melissa Scott, 1992
    1.12 Jim Williams, 1994
    1.13 W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003
    1.14 Bob Moorehead, 1998
    1.15 John Paulk, 2000
    1.16 Roberts Liardon, 2001
    1.17 Paul Crouch, 2004
    1.18 Paul Cain, 2005
    1.19 Kent Hovind, 2006
    1.20 Ted Haggard, 2006
    1.21 Paul Barnes, 2006
    1.22 Lonnie Latham, 2006
    1.23 Earl Paulk, 2007
    1.24 Coy Privette, 2007
    1.25 Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007
    1.26 Joe Barron, 2008
    1.27 Todd Bentley, 2008
    1.28 Ergun Caner, 2010
    1.29 George Alan Rekers, 2010
    1.30 Eddie L. Long, 2010
    1.31 Marcus Lamb, 2010
    1.32 Vaughn Reeves, 2010
    1.33 Stephen Green, 2011
    1.34 Albert Odulele, 2011
    1.35 Allan Cundick, 2011

    • Ari Putan

      Catholic list of scandals will fill the pages allowed here.
      Anyway, just goggles THE GREAT BETRAYAL by Fr Charles Chiniquy and see how worse are jesuits of catholic church.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        HERETIC!

      • patrickinca

         you are one angry human being. you know that? Begone SATAN!!!!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        according to the pope you are the heretic dec 8 2002 pope says heaven is open to all as long as they are good to all just on earth including those who ignore christ and his church. nov. 30 2005 pope says who ever seeks peace and good by the community with pure conscience will be saved even he lacks biblical faith. so when you call people heretics you are going against the pope. in other words you are a terrible catholic and you will be going to hell. because  you are not good but evil. you even go against your own church. good luck sinner. ps they also said jews will go to heaven even if they worship judism/ you better study your religion.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        post as u like HERETIC!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        DEKALB CHURCH BLESSES COVER-UP. A sex scandal, now encompassing 4 ministers from one family, has been uncovered at the
        Cathedral of the Holy Spirit in DeKalb, Georgia, praised by former President Bush as one of his “1,000 Points of Light”. The
        $12 million racially diverse 7,700-seat church with a TV program, social services, lost half of its 12,000 members following
        revelations that its minister, Bishop Ear Paulk, had an adulterous affair. Other church employees or members have stepped
        forward to say they had affairs with the bishop’s brother, Rev. Don Paulk, & his nephews Rev. Duane Swilley & Rev. Alan
        Mushegan. Women charge the ministers coerced them into having sex in order to “serve God.” The church filed, then dropped a
        slander/libel suit against several former members & staffers, resulting in a gag order by a DeKalb judge forbidding them to
        discuss thei allegations of sexual misconduct. It promotes a doctrine of “covering”, blessing cover-ups of sexual misconduct
        & requiring submission to authority. Don Paulk accuses former church schoolteacher Rebecca Moses of seducing him, saying “I
        know now what it was like for Samson to place his head in the lap o Delilah.” Six victims have not filed suit, but are asking
        for legislation making it a felony in Georgi for clergy to have sex with members of their congregations.
        Sources: AP/_Atlanta Journal/Constitution_ 11/14/92; _USA Today_ 12/18/92; _Boston Globe_ 1/9/93.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        so what its a drop in the ocean compared to the church and if you want thousands more look up nuns child abuse on google  they have had some huge lawsuits against them too. there is about 100 pages just in them. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        LUTHERAN PASTOR CONFESSES TO 13 YEARS OF CRIMES. The 500 members of Christ Lutheran church in Palatine were sent a letterinforming them that Rev. Wayne Tellekson has confessed to sexual misconduct while he was pastor from 1975 to 1988. He wasremoved from his current St. Paul, Minn. church when a former victim confronted Tellekson.Source: _Chicago Sun-Times_ 1/15/93.
        LAWSUIT ALLEGES CLERGY MALPRACTICE. David S. Guppy filed a civil suit for clergy malpractice, misrepresentation, fraud &other counts against Rev. F. Scott Luthy, resigned pastor of St. Stephen Evangelical Lutheran Church, Rockford. Guppy saysthe minister seduced his wife, a parishioner, than misused his counseling relationship with Guppy to conceal theaffair, urging him to have an affair of his own.Source: _Jackson Citizen Patriot_ 7/31/92.
        2,000 SUPPORT MINISTER MOLESTER. About 75 supporters from the Christ Universal Church picketed before the Criminal CourtsBuilding in Chicago in support of Rev Paul Hall, 47, convicted of sexually abusing a boy, 13, in 1989. He had been free onappeal since then. His 4-year sentence began in January. The Illinois Appellate Court, which denied him a rehearing, receivedmore than 2,000 letters in his behalf.Source: _Chicago Sun-Times_ 9/3/92, 1/8/93.
        LUTHERAN PASTOR NABBED. Dirk van der Linde, 43, pastor at Immanuel Lutheran Church, Waterloo, was charged with intent tocommit sexual abuse of a boy, 14. He is affiliated with the Missouri Synod. Relatives complained about a 2 month delay inarresting him. An aunt said she believed the delay stemmed from racism, because the victim is black & the minister white. “Itwould not be this way if it had been a black minister molesting a white child,” she said.Source: _Waterloo Courier_ 9/23/92, _Des Moines Register_ 9/24/92.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        CONVICTED MOLESTER RECRUITING BOYS. A convicted child molester barred in Pennsylvania from recruiting choirboys to tour in Europe is now operating out of Morgantown, WV. John B. Shallenberger, 74, was convicted in 1985 of indecent assault, indecent exposure and corrupting the morals of a Dutch choirboy, 11. He was convicted in 1961 and 1975 on similar charges. In 1990, a judge ordered him to reveal his criminal record while recruiting boys and to pay a $5,000 fine for violating a 1978 agreement with the Bureau of Consumer Protection to reveal his background. He has not paid the fine or signed the petition. Shallenberger insists, “Every choirmaster and every music teacher in the country knows of my criminal record … You would be surprised at how many parents beg me to take a second brother on tour.” His July in Paris tour was handled through the Children’s Choir Federation. Source: _Pittsburgh Post-Gazette_ 2/15/92.
        _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
        CONVICTED MOLESTER STOPS TOUR. Following an investigation by the West Virginia attorney general’s office, convicted child molester John B. Shallenberger, 74, folded his Children’s Choir Federation, soliciting boys from grades 4-7 to take 2-week singing tours in Europe. He had been convicted in 1975 & 1961 for child molestation. In 1991, Pennsylvania authorities charged him with ignoring a court order to reveal his child molestation convictions to the parents of recruited children, so he moved to West Virginia. Shallenberger has moved back to Pennslyvania & is running an elevator repair company. Source: _Charleston Gazette_ 7/8/92.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        pitiful if that is the best you can do

    • Crazy_horse101010

      there is thousands of priests. listed on the data bases in america and europe they are all by name and where they live protestants 35 catholic church 30000 plus 2 bishops who protected them who were arrested

    • GKLer

      Just the top 10 evil Popes of the Catholic Church (HERETICS by your definition)
      who despite their crimes across 2000 years still claim to be “infallible”.

      1. POPE PIUS XII 1939AD 
      This Pope personally handed to ADOLF HITLER detailed instructions on how the methodical extermination of non-Catholic minorities across all of Europe was to be enacted and how death camps were to be constructed for the sole purpose of their murder. According to Pius XII, people of Jewish faith and other “heretics” were not only supposed to be shot or killed, they were to be burned alive as to stay consistent with the Roman Catholic Church’s designated penalty for heresy against God.

      2. Pope John XXIII 1410AD
      Most depraved criminal to sit on the papal chair.  Committed every possible crime by the hundreds.  37 clegry members witnessed nd charged him with fornication, adultery, incest, sodomy, simony, theft, and murder!  He had a harem of 200 mistresses, mostly nuns!

      3. Pope Boniface VIII 1294AD
      A self-proclaimed atheist!!!  “scarcely any possible crime omitted – heresy gross and unnatural immorality, idolatry, magic, simony… his whole pontificate was one record of evil.” according to the Catholic Encyclopedia

      4. Pope Innocent III 1198AD
      Aided in the murder of 1M people. He rallied military support in favor of the Inquisition  The Crusade he waged after supporting the Inquisition was not against heathen scum – he went from the Vatican directly to England and had his military might wage war against European brothers. He had also began a Crusade against the Albigenses where upon his military constituents were ordered to butcher them by the tens of thousands in horrid and unholy ways. 

      5. Pope Urban II 1088AD
      Crimes against humanity and God.  Genocide-  he ordered the  slaughter of 10 million people to procure Belgrade.  He killed more people than Adolf Hitler.

      6. Pope Piux IX 1846AD
      Abraham Lincoln was killed under orders from the Roman Catholic Church.

      7. Pope Benedict IX 1032AD
      Murder and adultery even in broad daylight.  His crimes were too much, the Romans expelled him from the city.

      8. Pope Sergius 111 904AD
      Obtained papacy through murder.

      9. Pope Damasus 1 366AD
      Women and children sold as sex slaves to fund a church.  44 bishops found him guilty of adultery of many couns.

      10.  Pope Alexander VI 1501AD
      Incest, organized the worst orgy in the Vatican

      Catholics involved in the murder of 6M people.1.  Adolf Hitler

  • phil_dragun

    @InChristAlone_75 – if you have a need to justify your faith according to your own understanding, I don;t think this is the venue for that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    PASTOR BOOKED FOR MOLESTING SCHOOLGIRL. A girl, 15, was molested at a church-run school in Birmingham by Rev. James E.Johnson, of Ensley, according to police. He was charged with 2nd degree sexual assault, a misdemeanor.Source: _Birmingham News_ 11/21/92.
    BAPTIST VOLUNTEER PREYED ON GIRLS? Thomas Road Baptist Church in Phoenix failed to screen churchvolunteer John Herman Kuiperfor a criminal record when it permitted him to drive a church bus & volunteer at youth events. Kuiper, who had been convictedin 1991 of a felony charge of 3rd degree sexual assault, was arrested in Phoenix for molesting 5 girls. As a church busdriver in Fort Collins, Colorado, he had received a deferred sentence for molesting a little girl, 5. Rev. Ken Adrian, churchpastor, complained to media that the publicity was not good for his Phoenix church.Source: _Arizona Republic_ 11/4/92.
    LUTHERAN COUNSELOR NABBED. St. Paul Lutheran Church youth counselor John Wayne Nase, 40, Phoenix, was accused of multiplecounts of child molesting, sexual conduct with a minor & kidnapping. Police say he ordered a boy, 12, into the choir loft &performed sex acts on him after Nase’s Sunday confirmation classes.Source: _Arizona Republic_ 7/21/92.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      baptists 2 catholic church 300000 the protestants were protected by the vatican they were turned in and went to jail not shipped to other parts of the world so they could rape again.priest in america fled to africa just before being arrested where he was raping boys he decided to go back to america was arrested and put in jail for 3 years when he got out there was aplane ticket waiting for him from the church to back to africa. he was paid while being in jail

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    VICTIM SUES CONVICTED MINISTER. Rancho Cucamonga pastor John Marshall, convicted of sexually battering an ill man, 25, is
    being sued for $1 million by victim Kirk Judy, along with his church, the American Baptist Churches of USA & of the Pacific
    Southwest. The 6’2″, 200-lb pastor overpowered the 5’6″, 140-lb victim at a bedside counseling visit. He got only 2 years of
    probation. The suit alleges that Marshall had committed other crimes, & that the 2 Baptist groups should have known about
    them.
    Source: _Ontario Daily Bulletin_ 7/29/92.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      catholic church just paid out 10 million dollars in california for raped children. baptists 1 catholic church 300000

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he….and so?

        it’s futile to rehash those issues…..

        thanks to critics, Catholic Church uses these noise positively and …. get’s even stronger.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      how many of these churches has paid out over 3 billion dollars so far

  • phil_dragun

    @yahoo-PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y:disqus
    InChristAlone_75-If you feel the need to justify your faith according to your own understanding, then maybe this is not the proper venue for this.

    Have you tried asking your local parish priest?

    • InChristAlone_75

      I dare ask you to ask your local parish priest or cardinal, or bishop, or the new pope to have these verses I quoted from the Book of Hebrews be the reading in your Sunday mass.

      • Billy Reyes

        ha ha ha “I dare ask you to ask” what the hell is that

      • superpilipinas

        You must be Jewish. He-he-he. Read the new testament.

  • InChristAlone_75

    The whole point of what we are saying is that
    we have such a High Priest, who sits at the right of the throne of the
    Divine Majesty in heaven. He serves as high priest in the Most Holy Place, THAT IS IN THE REAL TENT WHICH WAS PUT UP BY THE LORD,  NOT BY HUMAN HANDS. – Hebrews 8:1-2

    • Billy Reyes

      ha ha ha! “we have such a high priest” common dude what kind of English is that.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      the pope sits on the right hand side of god with over 200 popes it must be getting crowded . where in the bible does it say the pope sits on the side of god in fact where is the word pope

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. Cookbooks are better for you. Those will be easier for you to understand.

    • superpilipinas

      Sad to say….you’re stuck in the Old Testament.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        of course they re stuck! their old testament is 7 books less. martin luther removed them because it will contradict his false teachings.

        Modern day heretics are here again. Revived by satan.

        twisting the truth; they claim to be the true religion and the Catholics are the evil one. indeed, like products from china full of immitations these fake religions sponsored by satan.

        the truth is with Christ entrusted to the apostles, guarded by the princes of the Church. there is only one true Church founded by Christ and the rest are fake. had human founders sponsored by satan and still continuing! 

        sins of priests, of bishops or of popes doesn’t make the Church less divine, with half truth and fallible. Like Christ, His Church is infallible, always divine and with truth!

        only these protestants will object. of course, they are trying hard copycat! 

        they will quote verses of the bible, sola scriptura as their boss martin luther would emphasized. but as what the Lord said, He only established one faith, one church, one true teaching. Being not part of His Church will be one’s eternal damnation!

        …apart from me and you are nothing!

        no matter how they say here or anywhere, their faith is devil inspired sponsored by satan. they may sound correct but beware they re the false teachers the apostles have been saying.

        …not even the gates of hell will stand against it! that is how His Church is protected with infallibility. easy to understand…only demons would say otherwise!

        Habemus Papam, Pope Francis!!!

      • GKLer

        Jesus quoted from 24 books of the “old” testament.  Was he “stuck” as well?????

      • InChristAlone_75

        The Book of Hebrews is in the New Testament, it emphasizes the SUPREMACY of Christ, that He is our eternal priest, superior to the priests of the Old testament and He is able to save us completely, as a high priest, he provides true salvation. He is the ‘guarantor of a better covenant.’ Rituals and animal sacrifices  have been done away with when Christ was nailed and died on the cross. He was the perfect sacrifice –  

        Hebrews 9:12-15 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves;but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself, unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. -

      • GKLer

        There is nothing “old” about the “old” testament. The “new” testament will not make sense without it. It also has prophecies from God yet to be fulfilled.

        Jesus quoted from at least 24 books of the “old” testament.
        Here is what he said about it:

        Matthew 5
        17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

        Jesus said this as well::

        John 5
        “46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.”

      • superpilipinas

        yes. but you should not get stuck with the old testament. you have to tell the whole story and not only a particular passage because it is the same as lying by ommission.

      • GKLer

        You are contradicting yourself.  

        If you tell the whole story – you will get stuck in the “old” testament.  Because many of the quotes in the “new” testament are from the “old”. 

        Fact is, there is nothing really “old” about the “old” testament. Once again, Jesus quoted from 24 books of the “old” testament. Jesus was also “stuck” by your definition.

      • superpilipinas

        you missed my point. Jesus referred to the old testament but always added to it to complete the whole picture.

        for example. you should not limit the yourself with “thou shall keep the Sabbath holy”. As Jesus suplemented it in the new testament with “the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath”

        The Ten Commandments was supplemented with “Love the Lord…Love your neighbor…”

      • GKLer

        OK, I got your point – and it is a valid point. It’s just that when someone goes around and implies the “old” testament is “old” when it is not. That’s where my comment starts.

  • scy.no.med

    Sadly, being the first pope named Francis is the closest they’ll get to reform.

    • superpilipinas

      he-he-he. most anti-Catholics wish that but sorry for them, their attacks are what makes the Catholic Chuerch reform and become even stronger.

  • InChristAlone_75

    Day after day EVERY PRIEST STANDS AND PERFORMS HIS RELIGIOUS DUTIES; AGAIN AND AGAIN HE OFFERS THE SAME SACRIFICES, WHICH CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS.  

    But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. – Hebrews 10:11-13

    • superpilipinas

      Jesus is God….but sorry for your envy.

      • GKLer

        John 20
        17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

  • Ganymede

    If the new pope is also conservative like his two predecessors then what reforms are we going to expect?

    • superpilipinas

      nothing…if you expect the wrong reforms…he-he-he.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he.

    Roman Catholicsm is getting stronger than ever.

    As critics strengthen their attacks, it gets even stronger.

    Others are just getting envious and trying hard to exploit weaknesses. But as they exploit, the church reforms to elliminate and become stronger. So bring it on….

    • Filpino

      your right bro. San na yung mga nagsasabi na ang next pope ay satanic at may name na peter the roman hehehe. catholic church lang ang pwedeng mag elect ng lider nila na di pwedeng maging kamag-anak nila ang hahalili sa kanila hehe

  • Islander

    If Pope Francis indeed called the same-sex marriage movement in his native Argentina as a demonic movement, it must have been a shrill and an ineffective voice.  The Argentine Parliament proudly passed the first ever same-sex marriage national law in the entire Latin America.  It passed with the support of the Argentinian people.

  • jgl414567

    Obama has a better grasp of the issues on contraception and homosexuality than the pharisees of the vatican combined!

  • Dancing Bear

    Things people want the Catholic Church to do. Divorce, priest marriage, female ordainment, homosexual leniency, gay marriage, allow contraception etc…….most of them, running contrary to existing doctrines, rules etc. So if you don’t like it. Don’t stay. Leave the Church. Why try to change it is basically against to make it into a democratic religion? Religion is something to follow. It should not follow the individual. Go make your own Church. As for me, I left the Church a long time ago in favor of myself. 

  • InChristAlone_75

    Matthew 7:13-14

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BMBLRJHAFMH2Q5SLCNXQMVBNXM ramsor

    Long live the Pope!..Congratulations Pope Francis!  Let us pray for his success in the Papacy.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    dapat ganyan botohan sa pilipinas daanin sa usok tutuwa ang mga team tatay at ang cbcp bishops mapia radical salot sa pilipinas gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo!

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