Quezon Catholic churches display Team Patay, Team Buhay tarpaulins

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A Catholic church in Bacolod has cut in half a tarpaulin that tells the faithful whom to vote for and whom to junk in the May senatorial elections (“Team Buhay, Team Patay”). INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

LUCENA CITY, Philippines – Lucena Catholic Bishop Emilio Marquez urged the faithful here to collectively reject candidates who voted in favor of the controversial reproductive health (RH) law as the Diocese of Lucena also put up its Team Buhay (Life) and Team Patay (Death) tarpaulins in Quezon churches.

In his pastoral letter read in 36 churches in central parts of Quezon on Sunday, Marquez recalled that at the height of the debate on the RH bill, the Church was criticized for its failure to muster the votes of Catholic lawmen in Congress.

In his pastoral letter, Marquez said events in society today makes it imperative for the church to take a common stance and “determined unity” so there would be far reaching changes in politics.

Several tarpaulins, each measuring 2 x 3 feet, were posted on the wall of the Saint Ferdinand Cathedral here.

Seven senatorial candidates were tagged by the Lucena diocese as members of Team Patay for supporting the RH law.

They are Team PNoy candidates – Senators Francis Escudero, Loren Legarda and Alan Peter Cayetano, Aurora Rep. Juan Edgardo Angara, and former Akbayan Rep. Risa Hontiveros; Cagayan Rep. Jack Enrile (United Nationalist Alliance) and Bayan Muna Rep. Teddy Casiño (Independent)

Leftist party-list groups Gabriela, Bayan Muna, Akbayan and Anak Pawis are also on the Team Patay list.

Senatorial candidates listed under Team Buhay for opposing RH law includes Sen. Gregorio Honasan, Rep. JV Ejercito Estrada and Mitos Magsaysay, all under the opposition UNA; and Parañaque Rep. Cynthia Villar and Senator Koko Pimentel, both with Team PNoy.

Senator Antonio Trillanes, who also voted against RH law, was not included in Team Buhay list of the Diocese of Lucena.

Marquez said similar tarpaulins have been posted in all churches under the diocese supervision.

The bishop said he sent copy of the pastoral letter to the leaders of the Diocese of Gumaca and Prelature of Infanta, who still have no resident bishops.

Marquez their tarpaulin message was not put up as a form of campaign against any candidates.

He said the Church was just enlightening the faithful in its expression of its stand that the RH Law must be repealed because it is an insult to God and to the Catholic doctrine.

“This is not a form of political campaign but just a clear and determined manifestation of the truth,” Marquez said. He said the final decision on whom to vote rest with the citizens.

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  • efriend

    Who cares?  There is no such thing as a Catholic vote.  Period.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      u r just encouraging and challenging silent Catholics to come out and have a catholic vote…

      sabi nga nila pag pinipilit mapipilitang lumabas at bumoto ng d inaasahan ng nakakarami na magkaroon ng catholic vote…

      ang matagal ng tahimik ay pinipilit at inaasar n wlang catholic vote ay magkakaroon ng catholic votes…alamin ang ugaling pinoy pag pinipilit tlgang mapipilitan…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

      They said there is no Catholic Vote, now why worry?Or they had just awakened a sleeping giant he he he 

  • Cubano

    How about the Team TATAY?

  • barako22

    team patay ang negosyo ng CBCP at team buhay ang negosyo ng mga damaso

  • quirinomayer

    With the spread of the tarpaulin, there will be more Padre Damasos who will be red in the face and eat humble pie after the results of the elections are in. They cannot take the hint that up to now that they have already made considerable noises against pro-RH Bill candidates, pro-RH senators Legarda, Escudero and Allan Peter Cayetano still lead the senatorial race in the latest senatorial surveys.

    Go ahead, Padre Damasos, do your worst. Don’t say nobody told you after the elections.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

      In May 2013, they may not feel yet the Catholic Vote. Once the system would be polished, candidates who will aspire for higher national elective posts maybe careful. 

      If Secretary Mar Roxas would run in 2016, he could easily be labeled as Team PATAY. This is due to his role in the Lower House intimidating presence. Likewise, to Secretary Butz Abad in dispensing people’s money during the congressmen’s voting.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Patay na ang Team Patay.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

      They said there is no Catholic Vote, now why worry?

      Or they had just awakened a sleeping giant he he he 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        tama..they just awakening the sleeping giant..

        hwag na nating pag usapan ang china bilang sleeping giant at ngaun nagising na..hahaha

  • ernievictory

    Wala bang tarpaulin ang Team Amoy Lupa ! ‘Yung team na kasama si Enrile , Maceda , Magsaysay (‘yung tunay) , Estrada at iba pang amoy formaldehyde na !

  • juancrossofthe

    Some Catholic Clergies – priests and bishops if you should have spend that money to feed a needy persons it’s worth than wasting the Sunday collections to this stupid tarpaulins.. that’s why other catholic like me are turned off with other catholic leaders – priests, bishops specially i’ve seen them personally having children… sleeping with women and molesting children.. NEXT TIME I WILL MAKE AND NAME ALL PRIEST CONVICTED OF MOLESTING KIDS..and post pictures of priest who are guilty..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      here we go anti-Catholic…indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UV3253P26T3VMQLVA2C6BZ47TU Marco

      they are already feeding the needy. try mong sundan mga taong grasa sa manila. puro simbahan ang punta nila (quiapo, binondo church, pope pius-un ave etc.) 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        tama..hayaan nyo sila dre..sila ay mga kulto na ang work ay maghasik at manira laban sa Inang Simbahan..alalahanin nyo gumasto sila ng muti million peos para mag maintain ng tv programs at anti catholic magazines like pasugo, watchtower, etc. para makabingwit ng kawawang Catholics..

        maraming docu na pinalabas na mga feeding prgrams ang Simbahan hindi lng sa Curch ng Qaipo kundi sa mga iba’t ibang religious community gaya ng St Paul University ng mga St. Paul Sisters na sabi nga ng mga kababayan natin iyan ang pinakamasarap na feeding programs kasi masrap ang pagkain at tinuturing silang mga tao..hindi tulad sa mga kulto kailangan pang 1 oras na bible study baog makakain ang mga tao..napanood ko ito sa I-iwitness with kara david…

      • mousy

        oo hayaan niyo yang mga iyan, yang mga dada ng dada na yan naman yung mga hindi nagsisimba. i doubt kung nag ambag ni isang kusing sa simbahan ang mga iyan sila pa ang may ganang magdadaldal ng ganyan.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      need any help

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Make the names of PH Child Rapist priest known.  Go to FB: RH Bill Portal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/francis.pope.775 Francis Pope

      Yes.. a Team PEDO list…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZUGKMNYSK2ZSSS4B2LVNDWP5XM lagalag

    KULANG SA PANSIN ANG MGA PARING KATOLIKO KAYA GUMAWAGA NG INGAY, HINDI NILA ALAM MAG BOOMERANG SA KANILA GINAGAWA NILA.

    IPOKRITO MGA AMININ NINYO KARAMIHAN SA INYO PAEDOPHILIA AT MANYAK.

    HUWAG KAYONG MAGMALINIS BUTI ANG TEAM PATAY PINANINDIGAN NILA ANG KANILANG IPINAGLALABAN HINDI KATULAD LANG NYONG ANG HABOL LANG ANG DONASYON NG BAYAN.

    TUMINGIN KAYO SA PAROKYA NINYO AT PAKAININ NINYO YONG MGA NAGUGUTOM. PURO KAYO PASARAP SA BUHAY.

    HUWAG MAG DONATE SA SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO, IDIRETSO NA LANG TULONG SA TALAGANG NANGANGAILANGAN.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      di ka naman Katoliko…reklamo ka ng reklamo sa pera ng simbahan! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZUGKMNYSK2ZSSS4B2LVNDWP5XM lagalag

        SORI, IM VERY MUCH CATHOLIC ,I BORN CATHOLIC AND WILL DIE CATHOLIC, PERO HINDI KO ITOLERATE ANG MGA GINAGAWA NG KAPARIHAN. TAO DIN SILA PUDENG MAGKAMALI PERO ANG TINGIN NILA SA SARILI NILA AY DIYOS. MAHIGIT PA SILA SA SANTO PAPA.

        AND DONT QUESTION MY BEING CATHOLIC DAHIL MALAKI ANG NADONATE NG FAMILY KO SA SIMBAHAN, BUT NOW WE DECIDED TO HELP THE POOR DIRECTLY WITHOUT PASSING THRU THE PRIEST ATLEAST WALANG BAWAS.

        IKAW KATOLIKO KA PERO BULAG KA, GUMISING KA ANG TINGNAN MO YONG NANGYAYARI. HINDI ANG RELIHIYON MO ANG MAGSASALBA SAU KUNDI PANANAMPALATAYA MO.

        ALAM MO KUNG KUKUNIN KA NA NI LORD MAGSASAMA SAMA KAYO SA IMPERYNO ANG MGA PARING KATOLIKO.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        hahahha…kulto ka nga…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZUGKMNYSK2ZSSS4B2LVNDWP5XM lagalag

        KAW, MULTO.HAHAHHAHAH.IPOKRITO

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        kulto ka nga…nakakaawa..

        kung ako sa u hanapbuhay ka nlng kumita ka pa…

        ganda market ngaun mataas mga stocks..hahahah

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZUGKMNYSK2ZSSS4B2LVNDWP5XM lagalag

        Your late man, im already on stocks for a long time. you can even ask Colfinancial how much I invested. Don’t pity me because I can even buy you.I have more than enough.

        Your a loser.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZUGKMNYSK2ZSSS4B2LVNDWP5XM lagalag

        As a matter of fact while Im replying to your message I’m doing online stocks.

        I think your wasting time for doing nothing, kaya wala ka sa pag unlad.

  • justomontevedio

    Bishop Marquez, di nyo dapat ginawa yan. Paano kung manalo ang team patay – ay de napahiya kayo? tsk, tsk, tsk….

    • superpilipinas

      he-he-he. di mo nakuha….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      dre, regardless  kung manalo ang team patay wala na ang obispo dun basta nagampanan niya ang tungkuling gabayan ang nasasakupan nya…

  • Milesaway

    In Religion, I do respect others beliefs.
    In politics, I will follow my conscience through the guidance of our elders (parents, priest and bro & sister in the community CFC) who’ve influenced us as godly role models. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      well said…

      agree

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

    ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/alejandro.begnalen Alejandro Begnalen

    Pag nanalo tung Team Patay ibig sabihin nun wala na silang impluwensya sa mga membro nila. Mas lalo pa nilang pinapalakas ang Team Patay kasi laging may exposure sa media… Parang kinakampanya na rin nila ang kalaban nila… Sana Mag isip si Bishop Joey Marquez… Ay Tatay Emilio pala…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      dre, regardless  kung manalo ang team patay wala na ang obispo dun basta nagampanan niya ang tungkuling gabayan ang nasasakupan nya…

      As Catholic, hindi popularity contest ang turo at utos ng Simbahan..eh kung ganun eh sana hindi naipako si Kristo kundi si Barabbas…hahaha

  • superpilipinas

    free will!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    The church focus more on candidates who promote political dynasty. This is worst than supporting the RH bill.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      hindi ka ngfa nanonood ng balita sa mga local media..sabi nga ng Simbahan hnid ibig sabihin dun sumusuporta sila sa political dynasty kasi sila nga na nangunguna dyan para wakasan ang political dynasty…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

    LIKE BONIFACIO,BACOLOD PROVIDED THE
    SPARK.

    IT IS GOOD THE ARCHDIOCESE OF BACOLOD
    STARTED THE LABEL: TEAM PATAY (PRO RH) and TEAM BUHAY (ANTI-RH). WE MAY USE THE
    BRANDING “TEAM BUHAY” VS. “TEAM PATAY”.

     

    ARBP PALMA OF CEBU FOLLOWED.  THEN Lipa, Cubao and TARLAC. Then Manila. And
    now it is quezon. 

     

    February 2, 2013

    CATHOLIC
    VOTE: @200K H4 85ET

    (85
    Ecclesiastical Territories to produce 200,000 votes each )

     

    STRATEGY:
    With less cost, multiply rapidly and go large scale… nationwide

    1.
    BACKGROUND: From CBCP statement & newspaper reports

     

    CBCP: “It
    is the position the Church …We support and encourage the participation of the
    laity in electing competent and morally upright candidates who are faithful to
    their correct and informed conscience.”

    CBCP will
    support initiatives to choose ‘worthy candidates’

     

    CBCP also
    is in interested of the Catholic Vote

     

    2.
    SCENARIO

     

    The
    Catholic Vote may start dividing the Senatoriables into ‘DEATHS CANDIDATES’ and
    ‘PRO-LIFE CANDIDATES’

     

    How to do
    this?

     

    Send
    survey forms/questionnaires re their stand on issues involving DEATHS concerns
    (Divorce, Euthanasia, Abortion(RHB), Total Reproductive Health, Same sex
    marriage and Sex Education), their willingness to AMEND the RH LAW and support
    the issues raised by CBCP 106th Plenary Assembly.

     

    PRO-LIFE
    CANDIDATES means ‘DO NOT SUPPORT ALL OF THE DEATHS issues, COMMIT TO AMEND THE
    RH LAW and support the issues raised by CBCP 106th Plenary Assembly.

     

    Once
    finished, come up with CATHOLIC’S PRO-LIFE CANDIDATES in which the Church
    machinery could rally behind.

     

    3. HOW TO
    USE THESE DATA?

     

    CBCP
    Website records about 85 ecclesiastical territories (arch/dioceses) nationwide
    (84 of 85 arch/bishops were present in the 106th CBCP Plenary Assembly).

    Granting
    that the 85 territories/dioceses could produce 200,000 each (or 17 million)
    votes for the Catholic Vote, then it would be a sure victory for the PRO-LIFE
    CANDIDATES.

     

    Or at the
    very least the DEATH CANDIDATES are deprived of the same number of votes (17
    million).

     

    And this
    can win an election in 2016. Consider the last presidential election result:

     

    Benigno
    Aquino III -15,208,678 (42.08%); Joseph Estrada – 9,487,837      (26.25%);

    Manny
    Villar – 5,573,835 (15.42%); Gilberto Teodoro – 4,095,839 (11.33%)

     

    Remember,
    in May 2010 elections Sen. Bong Revilla topped and got 19,513,521 or 51.15%.

     

    Another
    option (2M @ 6H) that is, for the 2 million hard core pro-life catholics to
    convince at least 6 each (2 million x 6 = 12 million) enough to win a senate
    seat for the Church.

     

    In May
    2010 elections, Teofisto Guingona III was last with 10,277,352 votes or 26.94%.

     

    National
    registered voters: 51,292,465 (May 2010 Elections). Recently, it breached 52 million mark. 

     

    Having
    THIS as campaign platform: CBCP encourages Catholic Vote who in turn supports
    ‘WORTHY CANDIDATES’.

     

    Candidates
    means Senatoriables and congressmen. At the congressional district level (or
    Party List), 200K are already a swing votes for PRO-LIFE CANDIDATES.

     

    Put these
    candidates’ names in a tarpaulin in all parishes. Faith communities may
    contribute for the tarpaulin to be prominently displayed in parish grounds.

     

    Catholics
    must be PRO-ACTIVE. Ensure that those WHO will be elected are PRO-LIFE.

    • basilionisisa

      Granting that the 85 territories/dioceses could produce 200,000 each (or 17 million)
      votes for the Catholic Vote, then it would be a sure victory for the PRO-LIFE
      CANDIDATES.

      buti sinabi mong ‘granting’, dahil tyak HINDI lahat ng Katoliko ay kasing kitid ng utak mo, boboto sila sa ikabubuti ng bansa, hindi sa ikabubuti ng iilan, boboto sila para sa kinabukasan ng kanilang mga anak at pamilya, hindi katulad ninyong narrow-minded idiots. you’re NOT advocating pro-LIFE, you’re advocating pro-HELL! nakatapak na tao sa buwan, sumasamba pa rin kayo sa buwan!

  • Maitum

    I support the publicizing of the names of all priest having fathered children. Please include pics if possible. A tit for tat. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UV3253P26T3VMQLVA2C6BZ47TU Marco

    what do you call iglesia ni cristo’s vote? wala silang free will diba (they will be condemned kung hindi nila boboto yung nasa listahan nila). mga catholic may option padin pumili kung boboto nila yung nakasulat sa tarp na yun. actually wala sa choice ko yung mga nakasulat dun at katoliko ako.

  • marionics

    good. that’s positive campaigning for the candidates involved he he

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

    ..

  • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

    Now that the Catholic Church in Quezon has declared war, they should expect malicious text blasts about Team Tatay anytime now. The Strategic Communications team of Ricky Carandang has recently acquired an SMS server to do their own text blasting. Bacolod was first. Galing. Telcos, be ready for heavy traffic in your BTS along Legarda and Mendiola.

    Wag lang sana pera ng bayan ang gamitin.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: If Catholics don’t read the Bible and interpret it for themselves, how do they know if the Catholic Church is truly following what the Bible teaches?

    R. Sungenis: First of all, Catholics do read the Bible and interpret it. We do so in our homes and churches. Granted, many Catholics are ignorant of much of what the Bible says, but we don’t judge Catholicism by those who don’t live by it. For the past 2000 years Catholics have been reading the Bible and interpreting it. Irenaeus, Basil, Augustine, Jerome, Aquinas, Suarez, Bellarmine, et al, were all Catholics and each wrote many volumes of Bible interpretation. I’ve written 7 books myself on Bible interpretation. Catholics are continually encouraged to read and study the Bible.

    But the difference between Catholicism and the average Protestant denomination is, we don’t reinvent the wheel at each turn. Once the Church has established what the true interpretation of a certain crucial verse is, then that interpretation cannot change. If it DID change, then we couldn’t trust the Church, and, in fact, the Church would be false, for truth cannot change.

    For example, the Church has decided that the references to Baptism in Scripture must be interpreted as teaching baptismal regeneration, no exceptions. In fact, the Council of Trent bases this teaching on John 3:5 where Jesus said: “Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” Now, granted, you may have a different interpretation of that verse. In fact, yours may even sound better than ours. It’s easy to believe that the water is merely symbolic. The Bible uses symbols all the time.

    But the $64,000 question is: is the Bible using symbols in John 3:5? How would we know for sure?

    We seem to have at least two possibilities. In fact, there are other possibilities. Some Protestants believe the water refers to the word of God, and base that interpretation on Ephesians 5:26. Others believe the water refers to the amniotic fluid in the mother’s womb. Others believe the water is more than just a symbol but still doesn’t save anyone.

    So, in effect, we have five different interpretations of John 3:5, and they all sound very good, but there can only be one correct interpretation and the others are devilish imposters. The context of John 2-4 doesn’t help too much in settling on one meaning. So what do we do? Well, the good Catholic will ask: what did John mean when he wrote the words of John 3:5?

    Well, we need to ask John what he meant. But, of course, John is dead. Fortunately, however, we know what John meant because he told his fellow apostles, and they told the disciples, and they told the churches. When we examine the record of the churches (and we know them be reading the documents of those times) it is a fact that every church, every Father, every council, and every other body with any semblance of ecclesiastical authority said that the interpretation which holds that the water is the miraculous means of grace and actually procures justification is the only correct answer, and all the others are pious frauds.

    In short, Cheryl, THAT is how we come to truth in the Catholic Church. Thus, any Catholic who would attempt to reinterpret John 3:5 as teaching something other than baptismal regeneration will have the whole force of the Catholic Church against him, and he will be excommunicated. THAT is how we stop the “wolves” of Acts 20:30 and stop the “divisions” of Romans 16:17-18. It can work no other way.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UV3253P26T3VMQLVA2C6BZ47TU Marco

      thank you for this good explanation :)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: First, before I begin, I would like to clarify that Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons do not fall under the Protestant religion.
    R. Sungenis: They may not be mainline Protestant denominations, but they were formed on the same basis as many of them: (a) a charismatic leader who claimed privileged interpretations of Scripture more accurate than anyone else; (b) a claim that they were the true Church and the Catholic Church was false. In essense, anyone who “protests” against the Catholic Church can be considered a “Protestant,” for that is what the word originally meant. END

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: You are correct that there are thousands of different denominations and splinter groups. Christians initially shared the same beliefs through the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, but through the years there were disagreements about the interpretation of the Bible. All true Protestant religions share the same basic belief in the Bible, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and salvation, but there are minor differences in the way their religions are practiced. These basic beliefs are what separates Protestants from Catholics and what caused the division between the two arms of Christianity.

    R. Sungenis: That all depends on what one defines as “basic beliefs” and “minor differences.” In some ways, Catholicism has only “minor differences” with the Anglican churches. They, for example, believe in baptismal regeneration as does the Catholic Church. Since baptism is a major doctrine of salvation, the Anglicans are closer to the Catholic Church than your Baptist denomination (which views water baptism merely as a symbol).

    Be that as it may, I know enough about Protestantism (having been a Protestant for 18 years) to know that there are major differences and minor differences between each denomination, although it seems that when confronted with the major differences most Protestants try to play them down. Still, if you want to narrow the differences down to, as you say above, “Bible, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and salvation,” then except for some minor differences, you won’t find that much difference exists between Baptists and Catholicism. It’s only when we get to the finer details that things really get heated. And as they say, the devil is in the details.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: I chose to worship in a Baptist church, partly from my family background, but mainly from my belief in the church’s interpretation of the Bible. There are some issues with the Baptist church that I disagree with (such as drinking in moderation and dancing – and the church seems to be loosening its stance on these issues), but on the whole, I believe we are following God’s teachings through the Bible. I believe in nothing but the Bible because I don’t believe in any personal or pastoral beliefs that may contradict what the Bible says. Baptists (and probably other Protestant groups, although I cannot speak for them) learn about the Bible through personal and group Bible studies, studying the Word, cross-referencing what they read through other chapters in the Bible, asking questions and discussing what they read with other believers.

    R. Sungenis: All well and good, but if you are depending on fallible human beings to give you completely accurate interpretations about the Bible, then your efforts will only be as productive as the fallibility of your teachers. If, for example, Protestant denominations can’t even agree on a subject as simple as baptism, then how could we depend on them to give us answers on more esoteric issues? Granted, you think your interpretation is correct, and the Presbyterians, Anglicans, et al are wrong, but how do you really know for sure? The simple answer is that you don’t. Yet Baptism is a major doctrine.

    For that matter, as I intimated in my last post, you can’t even be sure what books belong in the Bible, let alone know the true interpretation of its specific verses (and you know the possibility of an erroneous interpretation is highly likely since you see erroneous interpretations all around in other denominations, and thus surely it is possible in your denomination). 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: I wish all Christian religions could share the same beliefs, since that is what Paul encourages for us in 1 Corinthians 1:10: I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfect united in mind and thought. (New International Version).

    But Paul also warns that these divisions will occur. Acts 20:30: Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. (NIV)

    R. Sungenis: Precisely. And that is why I explained in my last post that, if we are going to protect the Gospel, we need not only leaders, but leaders who we know are guided by the Holy Spirit, not the devil. Logic dictates that there can be only one true Church (Eph 4:5). Thus, the second someone starts another Church, then that invented Church must be false. It can work no other way.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      whos cheryl your invisible friend

  • WeAry_Bat

    So this is it, forgive one of the corrupt so long as she is anti-RH.  How disappointing.  I assume some of the bishops have better sense to keep quiet instead.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

      indeed, little learning is a very dangerous thing…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        but im sure, theirs is much bigger than yours…..

      • WeAry_Bat

         hehe, its okay.  i just learned a little something…

        the southern priests are very much anti-RH maybe because some of them are fathers in the biological sense. like family. hehe.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: Paul also states in Romans 16:17-18: I urge you, brother, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people.

    We would all agree with each other in Christianity if we only read and practiced what the Apostles taught us in the New Testament, without trying to interpret too much and add meaning and beliefs where there are none.

    R. Sungenis: Precisely. That is why the Catholic Church teaches that the only “Tradition” we are bound to accept is that produced by the Apostles. But the “New Testament” you refer to is the very book which says that the Apostolic doctrine was not limited to the pages of holy writ. For example, 2 Thess 2:15 says that the Apostolic teaching came both in “word of mouth” and “in letter,” and that we are obliged to hold to both.

    Thus we have two sources, not one, and that dictum is by the decree of Scripture. So if one is really paying attention to Scripture, then he must acknowledge that Scripture never claims to be the sole source or authority for what one is to believe. Granted, the “other” source can never conflict with Scripture, and neither will Scripture conflict with that other source. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

    Quote: “In his pastoral letter, Marquez said events in society today makes it imperative for the church to take a common stance and “determined unity” so there would be far reaching changes in politics”.

    Agree. Real and devout Catholics should take a common stand on different govt issues….

    • magsasakasanayon

      if you are talking about the common stand of the Catholics, and not the idiotic CBCP, then I’m all for it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: Also, can we tackle various aspects of Christianity, such as baptism, soon? We can finish our discussion on the belief of the Bible first, then discuss its teachings. That way we won’t get off track.

    As stated before, I believe in only what the Bible says, and I refuse to believe in any interpretations that are not found in the holy scriptures. No human being is infallible, and humans do make mistakes. That is why reading the Bible is so important. That way we can compare what we are reading and hearing from other sources with the words in the Bible. We hope we can trust the leaders in our churches, but the only way we can be sure what they are preaching is God’s truth is to compare it with the Bible’s teachings.

    R. Sungenis: Sure, but where does the Bible purport to “interpret” its own words? The Bible is a record of words about God, people, places and things. Interpretation is what human beings do, since interpretation involves a THINKING process that ties in various data from various sources and then decides what is meant in the convergence of that data. The Bible has no such ability. It is an inanimate object with no power to think on its own.

  • disqusted0fu

    They should include the Aquino administration on the list of team patay because of their inaction towards extra judicial killings, the endless suffering of typhoon victims, and the abuse and killings of our fellow Filipinos in Sabah. This team will definitely live up to its name team patay.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IS6KI2U7EDZS6D2Q7MZ3Z6CAME Lila

     the only people who will used the banner as guide in the elections are those same people who can’t decide for themselves what’s good for them.. as long as there are people of this kind this country will never be free and manipulation will prolong.. it’s time to create a law who can vote during elections

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Cheryl: If you are speaking of Jesus’ church, then you are correct when you state, “. . the second someone starts another Church, then that invented Church must be false.” For, if we stray from Jesus’ church, then the invented church must be from the devil.

    But if you are speaking of the Catholic church, then it is impossible to see where this is found in the scriptures. The Bible does not list one particular denomination as the one true church.

    R. Sungenis: Then you’re in the same boat, Cheryl, because the Bible doesn’t mention the “Baptist” church either. Logically, then, we must arrive at the decision as to who is the true Church by other means. The way we do so is to examine what the early Church said about itself. What we find is that the Fathers (Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Cyril, Ambrose, Augustine, et al) referred to “the Catholic Church,” not the Baptist church, as that which proceeded, in steady and precise fashion, from the original Apostles. In fact, Polycarp knew John the Apostle. In other words, Cheryl, we have the pedigree, and we can prove it by historical records.

  • kilabot

    no worry. 
    there is no catholic vote, right?

  • andrew lim

    CHURCH SHOULD DISENGAGE FROM PPCRV

    The PPCRV cannot be considered impartial anymore! When the Church names specific candidates to vote/not vote, it is already partisan!

    Disengage from PPCRV!

  • mousy

    dapat lang na inalis si trillanes sa team buhay

  • marionics

    nandyan na naman si flip pero ala yatang pumapansin o wawa naman hahaha

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      don t have arguments?

      • marionics

        aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

        aminadong flip siyaaaaa!!!!

        aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaa!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        (Acts 20:28-30) 28 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
        This is how to stop the wolves! Inquisition! Death to HERETICS!

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D )))))))))))))))

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Marionics: I would like to first discuss your following statement “. . . If we are going to protect the Gospel, we need not only leaders, but leaders who we know are guided by the Holy Spirit, not the devil. Logic dictates that there can be only one true Church (Eph 4:5). Thus, the second someone starts another Church, then that invented Church must be false. It can work no other way.”I agree that we need leaders that are guided by the Holy Spirit. But I fail to understand how you can determine there is only one true church from Ephesians 4:5. I’m assuming that you believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church, since this is your church’s belief.
      Catholic: Yes, in the first case I believe it because the Catholic Church says so, but reason also tells me that since the Catholic Church was the first Church in existence (and that can be proven quite easily by reading the references to “the Catholic Church” in the writings of the Fathers), then it alone must be the Church that Jesus Christ spoke about in Matthew 16:18. Consequently, any Church that tries to replace the Catholic Church must be false. The only way you could disprove this is to prove that there was another Church in the first centuries that was the true Church and that the Catholic Church was a false Church.

      At the end of the day, HERETICS were burn as to stop the false teachings. Modern day HERETICS will suffer the same faith not to be burned alive but to be burned in HELL!

      • marionics

        bwahahaha where the hell is this god of yours???

        smite me oh mighty smiter!!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        you ask it, you will have it! wait ka lng boy! pupunta ka rin dyn!

        TEAM HERETIC BURN IN HELL!

      • marionics

        i’m waiting for your false god hahaha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        sabihin mo rin yan sa lolo mo para tumawa din. sama mo pala si pastor! 

      • marionics

        aaaaahahaha pastor pa din ang bagsak. talagang wala ubos na. sige na nga. TOINK!!!!!!

      • WeAry_Bat

         pre, di ko nga makita kung sino kausap niya.  sino si cherry? si sanguni? si val na walang kasalanan?

        hehehehe.  pauwi nako, ikaw naka quota na sa pambubukol hehe

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D )))))))))))))))

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D ))))))))))))))))))))

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D )))))

  • wakats

    The CBCP should justify their preference outside of being anti-RH, like gringo who spearheaded bloody and costly coup attempts against Cory, and the illegitimate jv ejercito from  erap’s mistress, mayor guia gomez of San Juan City.

    The two resemble “killer and immorality” and are now supported by the clergy just because they voted NO to RH bill.

    It’s good the faithful could not be easily swayed by the church’s shallow and haphazard campaigning.

    As a Roman Catholic, I’ll only follow the Church’s teachings when it only concern my spiritual enlightenment and enhancement in view of the recent church scandals such as the “Vatileaks” and the “Team Tatay” SMS in the diocese of Bacolod….  

  • virgoyap

    Bishop Marquez is absolutely correct when he said that: “the final decision on whom to vote rest with the citizens.” that’s why the top 3 in the survey are all pro-RH. Lagarda, Escudero, and Cayetano.  When voting for the senatorial bets, let’s listen to our CONSCIENCE and not to Bishop Marquez.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    (Romans 16:17-18) 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them.
    18 For they that are such, serve not Christ our Lord, but their own belly; and by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent
    Death to HERETICS!

    • Jarred Pulido

      Death to HERETICS? Really? How long have you been off your meds? How about Death to Catholic TALIBANS!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        run out of arguments? pano two years ka lang nagaral ng bible mo. Peke pa! kulang ng 7 books un old testament mo!

        Ah oo nga pala dinelete ni Martin Luther. wowoweee! 

        Ano to dagdag bawas? 

      • Jarred Pulido

        You are really an idiot. I don’t know any pastor. And what argument are you saying? Death? Yan tinuturo sa Catholic TALIBANS? Better to take you meds now baka ma buang ka lalo. Regarding my bible studies I learned from a Dominican priest. And now I really respect the SJ preist that I know. If ever my kids will go to college it will be Ateneo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GTOH7W4UOXBVB45LMN6MXHGOQI Shadow

         Paki Research na lang po ang RH Bill. Question: If you are a priest that teach in a School and you are ordered to Teach Mandatory SEX education to Elementary Students what will you do? as a Father are you willing to expose your children about SEX education at an early age? And do you know that the birth Control Pills that they are promoting has a Failure rate? It means when taking that affordable pills (even beggars can afford) and you get pregnant and you reached the brown stage of the pills, the conceive child will die via miscarriage? And finally, dont you know what im talking about is in the RH Bill that most of you people are OK with!

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      • ed_dAVAO

        J.P. the Catholic church is not dictating anybody, just giving guidelines, If you follow its ok if not its still ok. Are you above the catholic church to dictate them what to do? You are senseless. As I see it your heart is full of hatred towards the catholics. Did Catholics do harm you? come on ask yourself.

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D ))))))

    • ShibumiNinja

      :D )))

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The Catholic Church today is full of modern heretics, but none of them have been able or will be able to change official Catholic dogma. Although they are bad times in the Church, they don’t destroy the Church. Such bad times were predicted in Scripture long ago. Out of the first seven churches of Asia minor, only two were completely faithful (See Apocalypse of St. John, chapters 1-3).

  • corymoran

    I really don’t understand what this is for. The church shouldn’t meddle with politics. Ang mga tarp na yan hindi mga katoliko lang makakakita,  sooo hindi naman ata tama yun. Di din naman nagbabayad ang simabahan ng tax, so bakit sila nangengealam? :| 

  • tanyaaaa

    Okay lang yan, I really don’t think that our countrymen are stupid enough to base their votes on just that team patay, and team buhay thing. Marami din mga masasamang tao na Anti-RH. Just saying.

  • KateDulce

    Sana naman maging maayos na ang bagay na yan, simbahang katoliko pa naman sila dapat nagbibigay sila ng respeto sa tao.tsk tsk

    • JenicaLee

      onga! para sakin ok ang rh bill! 

      • ShibumiNinja

        :D ))))))))))))))))))

  • RobertVelez

    Dapat hindi nakikielam ang simbahang katoliko sa mga desisiyon sa pulitika.

    • JewelAgoncillo

      sangayon ako sayo! hayaan na kasi ito ng simbahan.

  • PaulynTayag

    Hayaan na lang sa gobyerno ang patungkol sa rh bill, wala namang nagrereklamo dito eh..pabor naman ang tao..

  • ajca82

    So mudslinging has entered the churches in the metro. This should be fun.

    • ShibumiNinja

      :D )))))))))

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    TEAM TATAY Bwahahahaha

    • ShibumiNinja

      :D ))))))))))))))))))

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003175316285 Cedie Nodlec

      Liberal Party = Liberal Values

      Sa Team Pnoy:
      * Sigurado na ang diborsyo kahit kaka-kasal mo lang
      * Kahit sinong tambalan (ng tao, hayop o bagay), pwede na magpakasal
      * Uulan ng condoms at pills pati sa mga kabataan* Tuturuan ng “satisfying and pleasurable sex” ang grade school students* Bawal sila pulaan (Team Patay) pero pwede nilang pulaan ang Simbahan at kahit sinong tumutuligsa sa kanila (Damaso)Bakit mo susuportahan ang mga kandidato na sisira sa buhay ng pamilya mo?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLQBUC7EZAWSQ4GZHZ6MLOIQIM Danny

     GRABE itong Roman Catholic bishops na ito ngayon! Samantalang ang daming pakalat-kalat na batang pulubi sa gilid ng kani-kanilang simbahan na ni hindi nila alukin ng pagkain, tapos kung makapangaral LABAN sa RH, akala mo ay inaampon ang mga batang pakalat-kalat dahil sa hindi mapakain ng magulang.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FNBBNCCS7FK4K6ZEMT2XMEN5JQ RAMONS

    dont worry team patay. there is no catholic vote. i think that if the latest survey comes only from quezon province, the top 3 senators seeking re election will surely get the top 3 spots.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003175316285 Cedie Nodlec

      Liberal Party = Liberal Values

      Sa Team Pnoy:
      * Sigurado na ang diborsyo kahit kaka-kasal mo lang
      * Kahit sinong tambalan (ng tao, hayop o bagay), pwede na magpakasal
      * Uulan ng condoms at pills pati sa mga kabataan* Tuturuan ng “satisfying and pleasurable sex” ang grade school students* Bawal sila pulaan (Team Patay) pero pwede nilang pulaan ang Simbahan at kahit sinong tumutuligsa sa kanila (Damaso)Bakit mo susuportahan ang mga kandidato na sisira sa buhay ng pamilya mo?

  • http://www.facebook.com/abdulrasik.surapak Abdul Rasik Surapak

    @Bishop Marquez- Is is possible that we can have some sort of a friendly debate so we can defend what we believe for? we can post our commentaries in any page you want, just let me know senor – tnx  

    • ShibumiNinja

      :D ))))))))))))))))))))

  • Bienvenido Estapia

    Maraming  ayaw sa RH law at malalaman ito ng buong bansa kapag nabilang na ang ayaw sa team-patay. Hintayin natin matapos ang bilangan sa eleksyon.  Sinong mananalo Team buhay vs team patay – masaya di ba? Iyan ang freedom of expression. :)

    • ShibumiNinja

      :D )))))))))))))))))))))

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003175316285 Cedie Nodlec

    Liberal Party = Liberal Values  

    Sa Team Pnoy:
    * Sigurado na ang diborsyo kahit kaka-kasal mo lang
    * Kahit sinong tambalan (ng tao, hayop o bagay), pwede na magpakasal
    * Uulan ng condoms at pills pati sa mga kabataan* Tuturuan ng “satisfying and pleasurable sex” ang grade school students* Bawal sila pulaan (Team Patay) pero pwede nilang pulaan ang Simbahan at kahit sinong tumutuligsa sa kanila (Damaso)Bakit mo susuportahan ang mga kandidato na sisira sa buhay ng pamilya mo?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003175316285 Cedie Nodlec

    Ang tiyahin ko at ang pinsan ko namatay sa cancer dahil sa contraceptive pills. Ngayon ang pamangkin ko nakikipaglaban sa breast cancer dahil din daw sa contraceptive pills sabi ng ob-gyne nya! Dapat lang talagang makialam ang simbahan at ilahad ang katotohanan dahil buhay na ito ng kababaihan! Kaya kayong mng utouto, wag kayong basta maniniwala sa kasakiman ng gobyerno sa tiyak na malaking kick backs nila sa rh bill!  

    MABUHAY ANG QUEZONIANS!

  • James B. Chua

    hindi ba Dapat makasuhan at makulong ang mga gumawa nito?  imagine an advertisement sa TV na instead of using brand X eh pinangalanan mo yung competition mo.  that’s totally foul, I’m sure hindi humingi ng permissions mga to to use the names on the tarpuline. eh kung ilagay kya ung mukha nyo at name nyo sa ads ng viagra matutuwa ka? 

    simbahang pa man din walang respecto. mga demonyo.

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