Aquino, bishops meet at Palace

Issues tackled include FOI, land reform, corruption

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Avoiding the divisive reproductive health (RH) law and posters against pro-RH senatorial candidates, President Aquino and Catholic bishops met for more than four hours on Tuesday night to find common ground on other issues affecting the country, a Church official said Wednesday.

The President pushed the envelope and designated Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr. as a “go-between” between the Palace and the bishops.

Monsignor Joselito Asis said the issues discussed were wide-ranging—the Freedom of Information Act, the delay in the distribution of agrarian reform lands, the killing of an Ati leader in Boracay, concerns about the automated elections, corruption in the administration, extrajudicial killings, poverty, mining and the total log ban.

However, the issue of political dynasties, which was raised in the pastoral letter, was not discussed, said Asis, secretary general of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP).

He said the President called the meeting so that he and concerned Cabinet secretaries could explain the issues raised by the bishops in their scathing pastoral letter against the Aquino administration in January.

‘Friendly, very open’

 

The dialogue was “very positive and very open” with both sides agreeing that CBCP members could have “direct access” to the President and Cabinet members so that they could air their concerns, said Asis.

“[T]his process is very friendly, very open. It opens the door to further mutual cooperation and collaboration in the spirit of understanding and dialogue,” Asis said in an interview.

The Church delegation was led by CBCP president Archbishop Jose Palma, members of the CBCP permanent council and some other bishops.

Aquino was joined by Justice Secretary Leila de Lima, Interior Secretary Mar Roxas, Budget Secretary Butch Abad, Social Welfare Secretary Dinky Soliman and Agrarian Reform Secretary Virgilio de los Reyes.

Over dinner of roasted asparagus soup, Caesar’s salad, paella, red snapper, beef salpicao, and “canonigo” with mango balls, the bishops made a PowerPoint presentation of the issues they raised in their pastoral letter, which the President and mainly Cabinet officials addressed point by point, the officials said.

For instance, businessmen’s proposal to buy illegally cut logs cropped up, and the President responded by saying that the government would convert them into desks and chairs, said Secretary Edwin Lacierda, presidential spokesman.

All throughout, Aquino took note of the environmental concerns raised by the bishops in their dioceses, Lacierda said.

Apeco

Isues concerning the Aurora Pacific Economic Zone and Freeport Authority (Apeco) and precinct count optical scan or PCOS machines were also tackled, the officials said

Roxas also reported the drop in crime rate and increase of offenders relating to drugs in 2012, compared with previous years, Lacierda said.

“It was a very good discussion. The bishops were able to raise concerns,” he said.

Abad, for his part, responded to questions about good governance and corruption, acknowledging the need “to reorient the bureaucracy,” said Undersecretary Abigail Valte, deputy presidential spokesperson.

FOI bill

On the nonapproval by the House of Representatives of the freedom of information bill, Abad stressed the importance of crafting “a meaningful FOI bill,” Valte said.

Asis said the bishops wondered why the FOI bill was not certified as urgent. “(The President and Abad) explained that government agencies were still digitizing and encoding their data,” the monsignor said.

“They said some agencies were not yet finished upgrading their system…(The bishops) pointed out that the bill could be passed now to force the issue,” he said.

Asis said the bishops were concerned that while the FOI bill might have a chance of passing under the Aquino administration, it could be lost when a new President takes over in 2016.

“So, [the] bishops asked if it could be done now but they replied that they are laying down the groundwork for a well-meaning FOI,” Asis said.

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  • Albert Einstien

     FAILURES after FAILURES….the TRUTH is pnoy is NOT a born leader..his being president is a result of his mother’s death..& for LACK of CREDIBLE & popular political contender at that time…& people would like to GIVE him a chance ..but NOW as we can SEE…he is a FAILURE…it is FACT ..no amount of propaganda can veil that…….we should accept reality that pnoy cant handle MULTI-FARIOUS PROBLEMS of govt…..it is better for him & for the COUNTRY to delegate govt .matters or RESIGN & declare snap elections and just endorse his candidate…….the COUNTRY FIRST before anything else….we can not let OURSELVES see that our PEOPLE are MASSACRED in front of our very EYES & THE WORLD……
     
    WAR & CHAOS erupted due to pnoy’s ARROGANCE & LOYALTY  for his boss malaysian najib…
     
    MALAYSIAN DROPPING NAPALM BOMBS to filipino citizens  “Napalm is the most terrible pain you can imagine,” said Kim Phúc, a napalm bombing survivor known from a famous Vietnam War photograph. “Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212°F). Napalm generates temperatures of 800 to 1,200 degrees Celsius (1,500-2,200°F).”. The effect was not always purely physical as napalm had psychological effects on the enemy as well…….such INHUMAN & BARBARIC treatment of our citizens..who can stomach this if not evil..
     
     
    ·        ALL because we have M A K A P I L I and MALASia spokesperson for a leader….

    · What is so HARD in just FILING a CLAIM for SABAH in ICJ…& DENOUNCING MALAYSIA for using excessive force a HUMAN RIGHTs violation..……your MALAYSIAN BOSS will understand because you are  SUPPOSED to be the president of a country……that is ALL the SULU ARMY wants .. (so that the BLOODSHED will stop …but NOW it’s TOO LATE already you IGNITED CHAOS..)….which is in FACT the DUTY of pnoy & govt….INSTEAD pnoy arrogantly DISMISSed the legitimate grievance of its citizens , THREATENED to IMPRISON them when they return home ( he pushed them against the wall ) & COLLABORATED with the ENEMY STATE who is KILLING our HAPLESS citizens & robbing our resources , our territory & sovereignty for 50 long years ALREADY….!.

    BLOOD in your HANDS PNOY..can you still SLEEP at night ?

    • desi derata

      People with less intellect like you should keep quiet.

      • speaksoftlylove

        With more reason for people who can manage only one sentence in their reply that they should shut up..

        No moral of their story at all. just a plain troll and kibitzer

        You don’t even understand the words written in Desiderata.

        ;”Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in silence” moron.

        Simply pathetic.

      • ARIKUTIK

        “A voiceless creature is an slave”, moron ! But a talking empty head is an Abnoy. Aquino had talk too much such that the patriotic Filipinos in Sabah were massacred.
        Aquino is dining with the bishops. The cheat must be concocting some sinister plot.

      • Jarred Pulido

        You want war with malaysia? Pick up a gun ang go to sabah. otherwise your just another chicken hawk talking. The problem with Sabah is too complicated.

      • shia19

        Hindi nila naiintindihan noh…kapag sumama na gobyerno sa gulo…guera na yun…grabe…

      • thunderbolt01

        What about you? What is your point of view? What is your argument. Just brush off people who makes sensible comments because you can’t? Pitiful one liner.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

       As usual iisa lang ang message mo. Puro pintas. Magbago ka naman ng style. Ang haba ng message mo senseless naman..

  • bogli_anakdami

    separation of church and state…

    WATDAPAK IS KAKSAKER PADRE DUMBASSO SUCKY-FUCKY WITH PREZ GUNG GONG AKIN’O???

  • mangtom

    Albert Einstien, President of the Philippines. DOSN’T have a nice ring to it. Do you, Alberto, see what I am trying to drive at? I rest my case.

  • UrHONOR

    SPECIAL state of the nation address to the “CHOSEN ONES”…..or, in local parlance, pagpasensyahan yong hindi ginagalang.  Mahirap na nga naman kung magtatampisaw at maglulupasay na naman sa baldosa si Baby Bondying….maraming mapeperhuwisyong mga pulis.

    Mabuti na lang at marunong gumamit si PNoy at ang kanyang tropa ng santong dasalan sa halip na santong paspasan….at hindi gumamit ng fighter jet…ops, wala nga pala tayo nyan….ng helicopter na lang! :)

  • EdgarEdgar

    After straying from the flock, Noynoy the big bad wolf in sheep’s clothing is back. With so much going against him these days, wining and dining the bishops will not turn things around for Noynoy. His conciliatory gesture is all part of political expediency. He never stood up for our Filipinos brothers and sisters in Sabah. He never stood up for the FOI bill. He never stood up against the inequitable distribution of wealth in our country. For all his lack of principles, even the equally unprincipled bishops will find it hard to trust him.

    • CheapJ

      A classic case of nitpicking. Just wondering where this person was during the past presidents’ reigns.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

      Review your record or most recent history then make your comparison. You will find that you are blind to condemn the present administration whose record is much  better than your previous boss’ who earned notoriety  for being one of the most corrupt leaders in the world.

      Open your your eyes, man.

  • patawad

    May nakahanda rin bang brown envelope?  

  • quirinomayer

    Pero di kagaya noong panahon ni Gloria, walang SUV ang mga Damaso pag-uwi. 

  • boybakal

    Issues discussed were wide-ranging—

    1. the Freedom of Information Act,
    2. the
    delay in the distribution of agrarian reform lands,
    3. the killing of an
    Ati leader in Boracay,
    4. concerns about the automated elections,

    5. corruption in the administration,
    6. extrajudicial killings,
    7. poverty,

    8. mining
    9.  total log ban.

    Dami pa lang problema ng bansa. Wala pa rito ang traffic, sabah, npa, at marami pang iba.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    EdgarEdgar narrow minded pa rin…..c FG cguro ito GMA o Corona?

  • Maldi2

    Pa pogi points!  As expected the Palace is positive of the outcome, but they got it wrong.  In the first place, they would have not done this (dinner invitation) have they performed well.  Ang dami nilang kaaway ngayon, hind lang ang simbahan kundi pati na ang mga taga Mindanao sa kanilang mga kapalpakan!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RB77HFWKYPOOSGRUY4BZD6RJ4U Ronald

    another press release activity LOL

  • Atawid

    The Palace “is laying down the groundwork of a well meaning FOI bill” or in simple English “we don’t care”.

  • joeybg

    AGENDA —— BRAND NEW SUV.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W7TPARCYJFCSA3PBQAM3MVZO3E kurakut

      HINDI LANG LAND CRUISER! May chicks pang naggagandahan, mamahaling cognac XO baga, at PABAON ala GENERALS.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

       buang kag hangag

      • joeybg

        PAJERO OR EXPIDITION ??

  • andrew lim

    CHURCH SHOULD GIVE UP ITS ROLE IN PPCRV!

    There is a huge conflict of interest in the Church having specific candidates to vote/not vote and then participate in the electoral process as a watchdog in the PPCRV!

    The PPCRV is not impartial anymore, because the Church has come up with their lists!

    They cannot make the claim that PPCRV is just a laity group, because if you look at its board of advisers, its director, they are all bishops and even the “who we are” section in its website says that the PPCRV is “the Church in action”.

    Disengage from the PPCRV!

    • Philcruz

      Very good point, Andrew. . you hit a bulls-eye here..right through the heart.

  • 2rey3

    This dialogue only before the elections? The President should have promised the Bishops that he will not influence the justices of the Supreme Court regarding the RH Law which is now being questioned for its unconstitutionality. It can not be denied that PNoy has the means to influence the justices especially the Chief Justice.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPV7TOHIJPG3UMTLQDTHLQJR7Y Jack

      the president should have promised that he will give them pajeros or monteros

  • henry21

    sabi ni marcos, komunista daw si Ninoy…. si Pnoy sabi ng iba ganun din….

    ano kaya ang tingin ng CBCP?

     sbi daw ni roxas bumaba na ang crime at tumaas ang offenders related sa drugs…. 

    ang TANONG…ano ang ginagawa nya?  dapat ipaalam sa tao…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q3QGG5QHBLRMZTIYWUFURY6J2E Night

    HELLO MITSUBISHOPS…. 

    SI NOY NAMAN ANG ME CHANCE MAMIGAY NG MONTERO SPORT NGAYON

    • marionics

      lexus suv na hybrid na lang pre he he he

  • Maitum

    PPCRV must be abolished or they will be doing magic to let Team Buhay win. That is unfair.

  • geminimind

    The CBCP were only invited for some sort of blessing just like this one “BLESS ME FATHER FOR I HAVE SINNED”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    Mga grupo ng mga traidor. Maganda pakita pag kaharap at parang mga anghel. Pero mga satanas sa talikuran.

    Hypocrisy  to the max.

  • Philcruz

    What else proof is needed that the Catholic Church is spending more and more of their time meddling in government affairs? Look at the list of topics they discussed with the President:

    -the Freedom of Information Act,
    -the delay in the distribution of agrarian reform lands,
    -the killing of an Ati leader in Boracay,
    -concerns about the automated elections,
    -corruption in the administration,
    -extrajudicial killings,
    -poverty,
    -mining
    -and the total log ban.

    Add to the list their favorite agenda:

    -the RH law
    -and political dynasties, which they did not even bother to discuss. I wonder why.

    Whew..that is quite a list. I couldn’t imagine the Catholic Church in the US and elsewhere ever engaging in such political and government activities as this.

    So I suggest:

    – that the Catholic Church now give up their tax-free privileges,
    – organize themselves formally into a political party
    – and start running for elective offices so that they can have their own President to run this country the way they see fit.

    Parang Ayatollahs, Philippine style.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPV7TOHIJPG3UMTLQDTHLQJR7Y Jack

      may kulang yan listahan mo. ang pinaka-importante yon kailan bibigyan sila ng pajero

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPV7TOHIJPG3UMTLQDTHLQJR7Y Jack

    Over dinner of roasted asparagus soup, Caesar’s salad, paella, red snapper, beef salpicao, and “canonigo” with mango balls, the bishops made a PowerPoint presentation of the issues they raised in their pastoral letter, which the President and mainly Cabinet officials addressed point by point, the officials said.
    sana ganito rin ang menu para sa mga biktima ng bagyong pablo sa davao at compostela valley

  • marionics

    A bishop invites a young priest over for dinner. During the meal, the priest can’t help noticing how attractive and shapely the housekeeper is. Over the course of the evening he starts to wonder if there’s more between the bishop and the housekeeper than meets the eye. Reading the young priest’s thoughts, the bishop volunteers, “I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, my relationship with my housekeeper is purely professional.” About a week later the housekeeper comes to the bishop and says, “Excellency, ever since the young Father came to dinner, I’ve been unable to find the beautiful silver gravy ladle. You don’t suppose he took it, do you?”The bishop says, “Well, I doubt it, but I’ll write him a letter just to be sure.” So he sits down and writes: “Dear Father, I’m not saying that you ‘did’ take a gravy ladle from my house, and I’m not saying you ‘did not’ take a gravy ladle. But the fact remains that one has been missing ever since you were here for dinner.” Several days later the bishop receives a letter from the young priest, which reads: “Your Excellency, I’m not saying that you ‘do’ sleep with your housekeeper, and I’m not saying that you ‘do not’ sleep with your housekeeper. But the fact remains that if you were sleeping in your own bed, you would have found the gravy ladle by now.”

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      BOY ABUNDA, ikaw ba yan???

      isako ang mga baklita!!!

      • marionics

        A drunk that smelled like a brewery got on a bus one
        day. He sat down next to apriest. The
        drunk’s shirt was stained, his face was full of bright red lipstick and he had
        a half-empty bottle of wine sticking out of his pocket. He opened his newspaper
        and started reading. A couple minutes later, he asked the priest, “Father,
        what causes arthritis?”

        “Mister, it’s caused by loose living, being with cheap, wicked women, too
        much alcohol, and contempt for your fellow man,” the priest replied.

        “Imagine that,” the drunk muttered. He returned to reading his paper.

        The priest, thinking about what he had said, turned to the man and apologized:
        “I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to come on so strong. How long have you had
        arthritis?”

        “I don’t have arthritis, Father,” the drunk said, “but I just
        read in the paper that thePope does.”

      • UrHONOR

        A good one!

      • marionics

        let that be a lesson to those holier than thou ássholes

      • Crazy_horse101010

        tora tora tora

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

         Intelligent sarcastic joke.Hahahahaha

    • Crazy_horse101010

      his back!

      • marionics

        President Clinton and the Pope died on the same day, and due to an
        administrative foul up, Clinton was sent to heaven and the Pope gets sent to hell. The Pope explained the
        situation to the devil, he checked out all of the paperwork, and the error was
        acknowledged. The Pope was told, however, that it would take about 24 hours to
        fix the problem and correct the error. The next day, the Pope was called in and
        the devil said his good-bye as he went off to heaven. On his way up, he met
        Clinton who was on his way down, and they stopped to chat.

        Pope: “Sorry about the mix up.”

        President Clinton: “No problem.”

        Pope: “Well, I’m really excited about going to heaven.”

        President Clinton: “Why’s that? It’s not that great.”

        Pope: “All my life I’ve wanted to meet the Virgin Mary.”

        President Clinton: “Sorry, Your Holiness, You’re a day late.”

      • Crazy_horse101010

        GOOD ONE 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Fundamentalist Protestant Fallacy: Being Born Again
      To be born again is to be baptized by WATER and SPIRIT! Not just by saying “I am born again” and some magic words of your pastor! This is another false interpretation of the bible being made true by fundamentalist protestants (born again)! Catholics beware!!! .
      Acts 10: 46-48 For they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God. Then Peter responded, “How could anyone prohibit water, so that those who have received the Holy Spirit would not be baptized, just as we also have been?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they begged him to remain with them for some days.

      To be saved, one must be reborn of the WATER and the SPIRIT! That is to be baptized!
      Not just by a ceremony and accepting Jesus as personal lord and saviour! Bka lord ng pastor! ahoooo!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.

      If the doctrine of Sola Scriptura were true, then it should be expected that Protestants would all be in agreement in terms of doctrine, as the Bible could not simultaneously teach contradictory beliefs. And yet the reality is that there are literally thousands (35) of Protestant sects and denominations, each of which claims to have the Bible as its only guide, each of which claims to be preaching the truth, yet each of which teaches something different from the others. Protestants claim that they differ only in non-essential or peripheral matters, but the fact is that they cannot even agree on major doctrinal issues such as the Eucharist, salvation, and justification – to name a few.

      For instance, most Protestant denominations teach that Jesus Christ is only symbolically present in the Eucharist, while others (such as Lutherans and Episcopalians) believe that He is literally present, at least to some extent. Some denominations teach that once you are “saved” you can never lose your salvation, while others believe it is possible for a true Christian to sin gravely and cease being “saved.” And some denominations teach that justification involves the Christian’s being merely declared righteous, while others teach that the Christian must also grow in holiness and actually become righteous.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        PAGAN HYPOCRITE

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RWPOD4ER5LJPDQU3N32NAC74X4 johnnie r

    Noticed that when the Bishops asked why the FOI bill was not passed, this administration’s answer were vague, evasive and generalized PALUSOT such as digitalizing and encoding data ending with the statement “laying the groundwork for a well meaning FOI bill” whatever that means. Sigh, another election promise gone the #$%& drain!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Hindi kakampihan ng mga bishops ang isang pro-abortion, at pro-same-sex marriage na pangulo.

    • Jarred Pulido

      oo naman. sinong pangulo ng PH yan?

    • shia19

      Bakit?…

      Kasi maiingit lang bishops kapag natuloy ang same sex. at mahihirapan sila pumunta sa ospital para mag pa abort si mother.

  • boybakal

    Aquino, bishops meet at Palace…
    Good…at least there is Meet and Greet in Palace.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Fundamentalist Protestant Fallacy: Being Born Again

    To be born again is to be baptized by WATER and SPIRIT! Not just by saying “I am born again” and some magic words of your pastor!
     
    This is another false interpretation of the bible being made true by fundamentalist protestants (born again)!
     
    Catholics beware!!!
     
    John 3: 5Jesusresponded: “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless one has been reborn by WATER andthe Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God. 6What is bornof the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
     
    Acts 8:baptism of water: 34Then the eunuch responded to Philip, saying: “I beg you,about whom is the prophet saying this? About himself, or about someone else?”35Then Philip, opening his mouth and beginning from this Scripture, evangelizedJesus to him. 36And while they were going along the way, they arrived at acertain water source. And the eunuch said: “There is water. What would preventme from being baptized?” 37Then Philip said, “If you believe from your wholeheart, it is permitted.” And he responded by saying, “I believe the Son of Godto be Jesus the Christ.” 38And he ordered the chariot to stand still. And bothPhilip and the eunuch descended into the WATER. And he baptized him. 39And whenthey had ascended from the WATER, the Spirit of the Lord took Philip away, andthe eunuch did not see him anymore. Then he went on his way, rejoicing. 40NowPhilip was found in Azotus. And continuing on, he evangelized all the cities,until he arrived in Caesarea.

    • Crazy_horse101010

      what do they do give you a different scrip to read every day or are you just trying to win the josef gobbels award that the church gives out every year at its dinner

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        whats your argument? run out of it? don t give garbage statements! a true reflection of your belief!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        thank am glad you like my beliefs. dont i give garbage statements and your going to stop me how. and as for arguement you and your troll friend started this long ago. have a taste of your own medicine

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        just read the posting of your team patay here! know your heretic flocks here!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        who cares anyone for birth control has my vote. and you cant call anyone a heretic because no matter how much you think so your not GOD.

  • $23257130

    abnoytard + pedopilyas = pppppppwwwweeehhhh kadiri eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww

  • joeybg

    ANG BALITA KO ANG GUSTO NG MGA BISHOP AY ANG MGA LUXURY CAR NA NASA PORT IRENE .

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Fundamentalist Protestant Fallacy: Being Born Again

    To be born again is to be baptized by WATER and SPIRIT! Not just by saying “I am born again” and some magic words of your pastor! This is another false interpretation of the bible being made true by fundamentalist protestants (born again)! Catholics beware!!! 

    Acts 10: 46For they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God. 47Then Peter responded, “How could anyone prohibit water, so that those who have received the Holy Spirit would not be baptized, just as we also have been?” 48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then they begged him to remain with them for some days.

    • UrHONOR

      MAS MAGANDA kung yong mga numero mong pinag-hahasik sa kung saan-saan ay numerong tip sa LOTTO, makakatulong ka pa sa kapwa mo.  At kung tumama, baka balatuhan ka pa.  Di ka ba nagsasawa nyang ginagawa mo araw at gabi, e, numero dito at nuumero doon, e, KADALI namang gamitin ang GOOGLE SEARCH na kahit na sinong  marunong kumain ng taho.  Heto naman ang sa akin….24, 3,26, 32, 19, 12.  Subukan mo at baka manalo ang TNL na mga numerong yan!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        If you know how to read the bible its Acts 10: 46-48!

        Don t twist the truth! Wag kang palusot! 

        Lotto daw! 

      • UrHONOR

        HINDI….hindi ako marunong magbasa ng bible.  Sorry. Tiktik lang at Wakasan ang kaya kong basahin…kaya inggit-na-inggit ako sa mga aninong gumagala dito na may pasang bayong-bayong na mga numero na parang mga barkers sa BINGO. 

        TRUTH….ha ha ha…’ika nga ni Jack Nicholson na gagamitin ko, “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH”….kaya patago-tago ka sa mga numerong rinigalo sa iyo ni Damaso.  If you know how to watch movies and understand the themes of the stories, then, maybe…. just maybe… you may still be saved from your a la Valentin-de-los-Santos manner of processing ideas.  UrH 7: 2-11.

        O, LOTTO nga…dali ka at bobolahin na….give us the numbers.  Alam mo, pag nabigay mo ang tamang numero…..ANIM LANG na set of NUMBERS, hindi yang sangkatutak na pinaghahasik mo, at nanalo ako, ibibile ko ang lahat ng klaseng bible na ma-ibigan mo sa lahat ng kulay at sa lahat ng versions.  At karagdagan nyan, papagawa pa kita ng sarili mong kapilya para mainggit ang iba mong kapatid sa INK.  Deal or No Deal?

      • UrHONOR

        ANO’T natigilan ka ata msxcsmsxlmsxxmsmmsclerosismmmxm?  Anong nangyari, na-ubusan  ka ba ng mga numero?  Tsk, tsk, tsk…sayang at bibilib na nga sana ako sa numerological expertise mo!

      • marionics

        sige nga patulan mo si flip. tignan natin kung di ka manawa hahaha

      • UrHONOR

        Hindi ako pumapatol sa bato, Bro.  Ang lagay nyan ay kailangan ko lang ng panghimagas sa nagugutom kong “ahas”.  Sa tema ng pangungusap mo, tila tinamaan ka na ng pagka-sawa sa pagtitibak ng bato, ano?  :)

      • marionics

        yup. kasi naman ala namang wit itong flip na ito e kaya dehin entertaining. but you go right ahead pre kung type mo he he

      • UrHONOR

        OO nga, kabayan, type ko……type-na-type kong iprito sa mantika ni Damaso!

  • UrHONOR

    >>>‘Friendly, very open’<<<

    KAYO, ha….baka kung ano na yan, noh.  Sa totoo lang and in fairness, di ba sobrang ka "friendly: naman yan na "very open"pa!  Baka may pa beso-beso pa yan pag-dating at pag-alis, ha.  :)

    • magiting78

      hnd naman cguro…matatanda n yung mga bishop…hnd cla type ni Pnoy hahahaha

      • nakatutok

        malay mo, yung mga batang assistant ni Bishop ang tinatarget ni PNoy….

      • UrHONOR

        DUDA ako….hindi ipaparada ng mga TNL na bisyaps na yan ang mga “prized alaga” nila….madekwat pa sa kanila! :)

  • disqusted0fu

    The bishops apparently heard an earful of excuses from Pnoy and his people. Only the FOI can make the straight path somehow straight. But since it was not passed, it got even more crooked. The KKKs continue to get protection from Pnoy.

    • shia19

      FYI nalang kasi tulad sabi ng nag comment dati…For Your Information…kailangan ng taong bayan pero kasi parang pag sakay lang yan sa isang concert event…gagamitin ang pangangailangan ng taong bayan para sa botohan. siempre diba ang makasarili. kaya maganda dyan sa bagong Congress…palitan talaga yan…tama lang gawing FYI “Oh For Your Information nangurakot nanaman sila.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Scripture Alone Disproves “Scripture Alone – Bible Theory” – BORN AGAIN FALLACY

    John 20:30; 21:25 – Jesus did many other things not written in the Scriptures. These have been preserved through the oral apostolic tradition and they are equally a part of the Deposit of Faith.

    Acts 8:30-31; Heb. 5:12 – these verses show that we need help in interpreting the Scriptures. We cannot interpret them infallibly on our own. We need divinely appointed leadership within the Church to teach us.

    Acts 15:1-14 – Peter resolves the Church’s first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.

    Acts 17:28 – Paul quotes the writings of the pagan poets when he taught at the Aeropagus. Thus, Paul appeals to sources outside of Scripture to teach about God.

    1 Cor. 5:9-11 – this verse shows that a prior letter written to Corinth is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul is again appealing to a source outside of Scripture to teach the Corinthians. This disproves Scripture alone.

    1 Cor. 11:2 – Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition, and not Scripture alone.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LLZUWWYWTSB4APE7SV2R64AU3A Rody

    The the bishops: can ordinary citizens have access to the list of pedophile priests in the spirit of FOI just you demanded from the government?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Pedophile priest will go to hell if they dont repent. At least they have the chance to repent.

      While you will go to hell! Why? Cause your a BORN AGAIN!

      • Crazy_horse101010

        you playing god again man you really think your important dont you you cant judge anyone to hell this is not the 1400s  anymore so grow. i bet you would love to burn a 8 year old  wouldnt. you they can repent in hell where they belong. baby raper supporter. come on lets preach some more love 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        …outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but
        also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go
        into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels,
        unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        jesus mary peter were jews qnd now you say they will not share eternal life remember the jews were gods chosen people so that means none of the above  are in heaven then why have a cathloic church. none of the above joined the church they belonged to the jewish christian church, even the historians who the church loves to quote when in their favor stated that. who was james the just.. hilter is dead. again show me the word catholic in the bible

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        peter is not even catholic. is paul catholic? are the apostles catholic? please read the bible again.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        show where it says catholic. the catholic church was founded may 325 ad at nicaea. they were christians not catholic. read your bible 

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        thats what i said. are you a moron?

        no apostle was ever a catholic. read the bible.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        …they were already part in faith with Jesus. Don’t confuse yourself. 

        He established His Church to continue His saving of mankind from their sins. Through apostles, He commanded them to spread the Good News! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Can you show me where SOLA SCRIPTURA is written in the bible too?

        Or to say “accepting the Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior” you are save. Where is that in the bible?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Let it be known!!!

     

    Protestantism: A Man-made Religion

     

    2 Peter 2:1- “But there were also false prophets among the
    people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in
    sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves
    swift destruction.”

     

    There are thousands of different denominations today, all of
    them non-Catholic. Even the founding fathers of Protestantism could not agree
    on major doctrinal points. Thus, the bad fruits of there man-made religion is
    manifested in all this doctrinal chaos within the Protestant communities.

     

    The Catholic Church is the one, true Church established by
    Jesus Christ. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.

     

    Protestantism is indeed a man-made religion for does not
    have Christ as its founder, but man who rebelled against our Lord’s Church and
    broke from it.

     

    • Crazy_horse101010

      bah bah bah bah

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        and the demon speaks! just like your team patay here! 

      • Crazy_horse101010

        three cheers for them  by demon do you mean you are me i confused with your babbling sometimes. i think in order to show the world what a zealot you are is play tibetan  monk and torch yourself that will show. them what better way to make a statement 

    • frudo

      tangalin na argumento sa relihiyon, pwede tayo umasenso kahit magkakaiba tayo ng paniniwala, pagtuunan at pagtulungan ang pag asenso ng bansa, maggalangan ng kanya kanya paniniwala, at wag maghusgahan, magbago na tayo. walang katapusan debate sa relihiyon, ay walang kwenta!!!

    • Crazy_horse101010

      the cateschism of the coucil of trent reads it is lawful to have images in  church and to give honor AND WORSHIP UNTO THEM.interesting i guess that shoots down we dont worship images theory.

    • ARIKUTIK

      Hey Donk, this forum is populated by lapdogs of evil politics. The subject matter is who among them is the least evil. None is an angel. So scram! Nobody here cares who’s got the best prayer group. And who will believe your Numbered thoughs. Your nothing but a copy paste Donk with out ideas from his own head. Any fool can copy paste too. You understand that! A fool is what you are !

    • desi derata

      Read the Bible and you will have a change of heart.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        The Church read the bible since the time the Church made it the New Testament!

        When did you pastor start reading them?

  • frudo

    ayos yan upuan yan ,magusap, magkaisa ng umasenso at umayos nman ang bansa natin, hindi yun puro nalang tayo nganga ingit pag nakakarating tayo sa ibang asensadong bansa, 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T42Q37DX5BRWJ5NRYTBC2DXUAU Jols – batman Robin

    natakot c pnoy sa mga damaso……

  • boybakal

    Aquino, Bishops meet at Palace…

    Pnoy as a leader President realized that He is a King without a Queen.
    A Queen who will protect him. He is a King not a closet queen.
    Much more, if he loses the Bishops, he is vulnerable to attacks.
    He cannot just rely on his cabinets, his pawns.
    Good defense, Pnoy Offense.

  • BOYPDAF

    They should have discussed also Separation of church and State..The Govt should explain that when a bill is passed Like RH..it becomes a Law..and when it becomes a Law..people are mandated to follow..masarap kasi ulam kaya siguro na discussed…

  • Bienvenido Estapia

    Hi mxsclxmxn, Im a catholic and i believe also that catholic is the church God made through Jesus Christ… But please don’t judge others outside catholic church. (Dont judge so that you will not judge…). Kahit sabihin natin na sa ating relihiyong katoliko bumubuhos ang grasya ng Diyos ay para sa lahat ang pagtubos na ginawa ng Diyos thru Christ. Kahit tilamsik(kumbaga sa tubig) ng grasya ng Diyos na mapunta sa mga kapatid nating outside catholic church ay di nakapagtatakang maligtas din sila, kaya please don’t judge. At kahit na nasa catholic church pa tayo pero hindi naman tayo sumusunod sa aral ng Diyos ay di rin nakapagtataka na di tayo maligtas (sayang naman di ba?). Kaya please think and meditate about it…   (Catholic means universal church)  God bless us all :)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      I dont judge. I only put here what were written in the bible support by the Church and the pronouncements of the Church thru exCathedra.

      I put it here so all may know if they have not knew them yet. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ODLDBBLVPVJCOODC6Y4CKJTVA lex

    Yan ang TAMA! Mag usap ng maayos ang GOBYERNO at CBCP. Marami man silang pagkakaiba sa paniniwala, NAGKAKAISA SILA kung sa ikagagada ng PILIPINAS.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      correct! approved!

  • $14141131

    Now Nhoynhoy can start convincing the bishops by sharing the CCT, isn’t it?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

    On FOI BILL: Puro pa rin PALUSOT ang dahilan kung bakit ito ay di maipasa……

    Kung may gusto, may paraan
    Kung ayaw, ang daaaming PALUSOT….

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