Cardinals seek pope to tackle Vatican bureaucracy

Philippines’ Tagle cited as ‘winning ticket’

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From left, US cardinals Theodore McCarrick, Roger Mahony, Francis George, Donald Wuerl and Daniel Di Nardo arrive for a meeting, at the Vatican, Tuesday, March 5, 2013. The next pope’s ideal profile began to take shape on Tuesday as cardinals held a second day of pre-conclave talks—a man with pastoral experience, missionary energy and few ties to the Vatican’s unruly government. AP PHOTO/ANDREW MEDICHINI

VATICAN CITY—The next pope’s ideal profile began to take shape on Tuesday as cardinals held a second day of pre-conclave talks—a man with pastoral experience, missionary energy and few ties to the Vatican’s unruly government.

Cardinals waved cheerfully to journalists at the gates of the Vatican but declined to divulge details of the closed-door debate on who among them could be the best candidate for the papacy following Benedict XVI’s sudden resignation.

Vatican experts say one of the hot-button issues now uniting many of the cardinals is the need to choose a new leader for the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics capable of putting his stamp on the Roman Curia, the central government of the Church.

“There is definitely a lot of reflection going on in the Catholic world on the governance of the Catholic Church and how to improve it,” said US Cardinal Sean O’Malley.

Secret papal documents leaked to the press last year alleged corruption and intrigue in the Vatican administration and unearthed infighting which many hope the new pope will tackle.

Cardinal Daniel DiNardo said the electors “need to look attentively at the work of the Curia in recent years. The Curia is there at service to the holy father.”

Though the centuries-old bureaucracy should serve the papacy, it has the power to block or water down papal decisions and has been criticized for playing politics under Benedict.

“What began as a trickle has become a torrent in the last 24 hours of cardinals insisting that the number one issue is governance,” said expert John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter.

This might mean choosing someone who has no previous ties to the opaque Vatican bureaucracy, such as Italian Angelo Scola, who could appeal because “he knows the lay of the land but has never been a Vatican official,” Allen said.

He also has much more extensive pastoral experience than Joseph Ratzinger did before he became pope—but so does Brazilian Odilo Scherer, “an old Vatican hand (who) brings together concrete pastoral experience and strong governor skills,” Allen said.

 

Winning ticket

The “winning ticket,” according to many watchers would be a pope with strong pastoral skills—such as the popular Luis Antonio Tagle from the Philippines or South African Wilfrid Napier—whose right-hand man, the Secretary of State, could be Italian.

Although over a quarter of the cardinal electors are Italian, many prelates have been pushing for leadership of the Church to be distanced from the hugely embarrassing Vatileaks scandal in Rome.

“The ability to govern is very important. It would appear that substantial problems have been identified through Vatileaks, these need to be addressed,” Australian cardinal George Pell told the Vatican Insider newspaper, calling for a pope who can “improve the morale of the Curia.”

“We need somebody who is a strategist, a decision-maker, a planner, somebody who has got strong pastoral capacities already demonstrated so that he can take a grip of the situation and take the Church forward,” he said.

US cardinal Francis George said the electors would be asking “those cardinals involved in the governing of the Curia as to what they think needs to be changed,” adding that the frankest debating took place over the coffee breaks between the official talks.

Among other voices, there are those who insist parts of the world which have been under-represented so far should have a shot at the papacy, including candidates from Latin America, the world’s most Catholic continent.

Should one of their own not be favored, experts say Latin American cardinals could back Canadian Marc Ouellet, who has spent part of his career as a missionary in Colombia and is a keen pastoral figure who also has experience within the Vatican.

It is considered untoward to campaign openly for the papal job, and blushing candidates pressed by journalists modestly brush aside suggestions they may be the next on St. Peter’s chair.

“That’s an Alice in Wonderland story, my being elected pope. There are times when I see some of the headlines I laugh a little because it doesn’t jibe with what I see going on,” said DiNardo.

When asked if he thought he would soon be donning the papal red shoes, O’Malley pointed to his robes and said: “I have worn this uniform for 40 years and I expect to continue wearing it!”

The Vatican said Tuesday that the date for the conclave could be set before all cardinals have arrived, despite the fact that four electors are still missing from the roll call.

Spokesman Federico Lombardi said that what was key was that those missing were given enough time to get to the Vatican before the secret election begins. Some were expected to arrive Wednesday.

In the meantime, the debate continues among cardinals not only in the Vatican meetings but also in private talks in pontifical colleges and private apartments, away from the harsh media gaze.

Little is likely to filter through as they have all now sworn a solemn oath not to reveal details about the election on pain of excommunication.

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  • UrHONOR

    PARANG mga peacock na naligaw ng landas.  Kung hindi lamang sinabi kung ano ang mga ito, mapapag-kamalang ROCK COMBO sa night club sa kasuotan nila!  21st century, tapos nakadamit pang-babae pa din?  Paano naman mabibigyan ng katuturan ang kaugaliang yan sa pananamit, e, panahon pa ng kastila ang kasuotang yan ng padi.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y Sarrah

      ay oo nga ano 21st century na nga pala,bat ganon buhay kapa ganyan kayo noong nilait at ipinapako nyo sa krus si JESUS…………ang walang sala ang syang unang bumato.

      • UrHONOR

        BAKIT mo alam yan….nakita mo ba ako nung pinako sa krus si Jess?  Ikaw ba yong may hawak ng martulyo at pumupukpuk sa pako?  Malamang nga IKAW dahil alam mo ang lahat ng pangyayari sa kwentong yan!

        Ibig mo bang sabihin, e, WALA kang SALA? Sakit nung binato mo sa akin, ah! Ang lupet-lupet mo, dhay!

        Yan ang siste sa mga SARRAH DO ang utak…..madaling MA-SARRAH-AN!  :)

  • Tia Michelle Pesando

    How did this mysterious “consecrated maiden” seem to know about the Vatileaks/LGBT issues scandal so long before anyone else? See her here: www. youtube. com/watch?v=kvtxMn52JhY

  • JLFS

    The ex-pope cannot govern, yet Philippines bishops insist to.

  • mangtom

    UrHONOR: yung suot at pagiisip ay panahon pa ng kastila. Walang pagbabago-same banana. Tamad mag-isip. Comfortable sila sa suot babae kasi karamihan sa kanila ay bakla-he-he-he. Baka transexual pa.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      typical fundamentalist with distorted, truncated false view of the bible! 

      • UrHONOR

        WOW, galing naman!  Ano ba ang meaning ng FUNDAMENTALIST at TRUNCATED?  Fundamentalist ba yong nagpapatakbo ng Fondo sa barrio?  At yong truncated naman ay yong may trankaso?  Galing pala talaga nitong si MNOPQMCKLPHONEYMNXCKLBIBLEQUOTERMMSMMMCKKDMMMMMM… mahahalikan mo sa pisngi!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Catholics don’t be afraid of this Fundamentalist Born Again. Be armed with TRUTH!!!

    Fight with Scriptures on their SOLA SCRIPTURA (Bible Theory) Claim
    Don’t be victims of their FALLACIES!!! B E W A R E !!!

    1 Cor. 5:9-11 – this verse shows that a prior letter written to Corinth is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul is again appealing to a source outside of Scripture to teach the Corinthians. This disproves Scripture alone.

    1 Cor. 11:2 – Paul commends the faithful to obey apostolic tradition, and not Scripture alone.

    Phil. 4:9 – Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. There is nothing ever about obeying Scripture alone.

    Col. 4:16 – this verse shows that a prior letter written to Laodicea is equally authoritative but not part of the New Testament canon. Paul once again appeals to a source outside of the Bible to teach about the Word of God.

    1 Thess. 2:13 – Paul says, “when you received the word of God, which you heard from us..” How can the Bible be teaching first century Christians that only the Bible is their infallible source of teaching if, at the same time, oral revelation was being given to them as well? Protestants can’t claim that there is one authority (Bible) while allowing two sources of authority (Bible and oral revelation).

    • batangpaslit

      you are a confirmed False Teacher
      your god is Lucifer. you deceive many. you quote Sciptures but you deny it at the same time
      hahaha…
      the long and short of it is: you are an Impostor
      you are a counterfeit teacher of the inspired written Word of GOD
      you are bound to Hell

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y Sarrah

        LORD GOD FORGIVE HIM FOR HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING,MAY GOD BLESS YOU.

      • UrHONOR

        The lord has forgiven you. (Am not sure if it’s the one in Pampanga or the one in Vigan,  though….but you’re forgiven)

      • UrHONOR

        Batangpaslit….Lucifer might conjure something that’s unpleasant and uncomfortable, but I don’t think it’s fair you compare Lucifer to MMCKMALCOLMXMMNCRESURRECTEDCKLMMMMMCKDMMKLXCOPDMM.
        Relatively, Lucifer does MORE sensible things, though perceived evil, than THE COUNT.  One…..one number, hahahaa.  Two….two is another number, ha hah haa….  Three….three…time to go! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

     

    1 Thess. 3:10 – Paul wants to see the Thessalonians face to
    face and supply what is lacking. His letter is not enough.

     

    2 Thess. 2:14 – Paul says that God has called us
    “through our Gospel.” What is the fullness of the Gospel?

     

    2 Thess. 2:15 – the fullness of the Gospel is the apostolic
    tradition which includes either teaching by word of mouth or by letter.
    Scripture does not say “letter alone.” The Catholic Church has the
    fullness of the Christian faith through its rich traditions of Scripture, oral
    tradition and teaching authority (or Magisterium).

     

    2 Thess 3:6 – Paul instructs us to obey apostolic tradition.
    There is no instruction in the Scriptures about obeying the Bible alone (the
    word “Bible” is not even in the Bible).

     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    1 Tim. 3:14-15 – Paul prefers to speak and not write, and is writing only in the event that he is delayed and cannot be with Timothy. 

    2 Tim. 2:2 – Paul says apostolic tradition is passed on to future generations, but he says nothing about all apostolic traditions being eventually committed to the Bible. 

    2 Tim. 3:14 – continue in what you have learned and believed knowing from whom you learned it. Again, this refers to tradition which is found outside of the Bible.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Let it be known!!!

    Protestantism: A Man-made Religion

    2 Peter 2:1- “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”

    There are thousands of different denominations today, all of them non-Catholic. Even the founding fathers of Protestantism could not agree on major doctrinal points. Thus, the bad fruits of there man-made religion is manifested in all this doctrinal chaos within the Protestant communities. 

    The Catholic Church is the one, true Church established by Jesus Christ. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.

    Protestantism is indeed a man-made religion for does not have Christ as its founder, but man who rebelled against our Lord’s Church and broke from it.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      XVI century is gone since 500 years, but not in the remotes Philippines Islands, sticking in a Medieval Feudal times, still advisable to consult books or mental Doctors.

    • batangpaslit

      the Lord Jesus Christ did not establish Roman Catholic Church.
      chuckles…
      Christ founded a church and He is the Cornerstone.
      the church is not Roman Catholic
      the church that Christ established is the body of believers.
      the body of believers are those who follow Christ.

      the Roman Catholic Church do not follow Christ
      the Roman Catholic Church worship a dead god.
      the Roman Catholic Church bows down to a graven image forbidden in Exodus 20, particularly the fourth commandment
      the Roman Catholic Church mislead the RCC parishioners in leading them worship a god who has ears but could not hear, a god who has eyes but could not see.

      your teaching is false.
      Roman Catholic Chruch cannot save man. But Christ Jesus can

      your false teachings will bring you to Hell.
      you are a condemned false teacher—you use the Scriptures to deceived many.
      the Bible never mentioned that Roman Catholic Church is founded by Christ.
      on the contrary, the Bible condemns the church that is established in the city of seven hills.
      read Revelation 17 and you will find out the truth that the church with headquarters in Rome is condemned as Harlot and would be consigned to Hell

      your teaching denies the Lordhip of Jesus Christ. for what you teach is the infallibility of the Pope and the worship of gods made from elephant ivory tusk and dead logs.

      you are going to Hell if you will not repent from your false beliefs and practice

      Christ saves, NOT/NOT Roman Catholicism,

  • mangtom

    mxsd-whatever: Protestantism-A Man-made Religion

    Catholicism-hindi man but Bakla-made religion. Kasama na rin ang mga pedophiles galore.

    • batangpaslit

      all religions are man made
      Christ established the church, not/not the Roman Catholic Chruch
      church means body of believers
      believers are those who believed in the Lordship of Jesus Christ as Redeemer and Master
      true believers of Jesus Christ do not bow down to gods made of dead wood or from carved tusks of the elephants
      they are dead gods—-merong tenga pero hindi makarinig, merong mata pero hindi maka kita

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y Sarrah

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmm yan din yong sinisigaw ng mga tao na nagpapako kay JESUS sa krus.buhay pa pala kayo at dumami pa.,AY GOD BLESS YOU

  • foreignerph

    Tagle a good pastor? Why his club sabotaged the much needed RH bill for so long? Why he still blocks a legal divorce bill? If the world finds out what this overdue Torquemada is up to, his “chances” will drop below zero.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Tagle could be a nice fruit, but he is from the wrong tree, a poisonous one.

      Anyway the Vatican will have no credibility as long as women, married priests, divorce, family planing and abortion aren’t accepted by this gay and pedophiliac club. 

      The time they can pleased under-developed and developed countries is over thanks of new communications technologies and knowledges access for everybody.

      To be able to survive few more years, the Vatican should move to a remote African or Asian place without electricity and communications.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PYGLPYCIHV4RRCYCRWR5XNGJ6Y Sarrah

        Ano na po ang araw at panahon ngayon,ang KRISTYANISMO ay di ipinanganak kahapon lamang at itoy mananatili hanggang sa pagdating muli ng panginoon.sabagay buhay ka pa pala, ang mga taong nagpapako kay JESUS sa krus.MAY GOD BLESS YOU

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Sorry for you, but the Bible is only invented bulabula on politics purposes. 
        The Jews discovered writing 500 years after Moses supposed existence, for Salomon Great Kingdom, no writing or archeological proof,
        same for Jesus, and so on.
        In the underdeveloped countries knowledges access is difficult, that why they are more gullible than the developed one. In the Philippines, Spanish teaching was five hundreds years delayed.
        Today improvements, FAKE text books !
        Poor Pinoy’s, it’s so sad.
        Internet and Wikipedia are a good hope to protect the populations from the “sticky fingers” entertaining ignorances.

  • batangpaslit

    so the Pope is not really Infallible, eh?
    if the Curia can oversule the Pope, then, the RCC teaching that the Pope is Infallible is false teaching.
    what a messy doctrine

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