DOJ readies raps vs Kirams, Sabah followers

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The sultan of Sulu and others responsible for the Sabah standoff are facing investigation and possible charges for a crisis that has entered its third week.

Justice Secretary Leila de Lima on Thursday told reporters that President Aquino had tasked a fact-finding committee to look into possible violations of the law by Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, his brother Agbimuddin Kiram, their followers and their collaborators in the occupation of Tanduao village in Lahad Datu town, Sabah.

De Lima said subpoenas were being prepared by the joint fact-finding committee of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) and the Philippine National Police-Criminal Investigation and Detection Group.

“As we speak right now, they are preparing various subpoenas and invitations. Subpoenas to be issued to those we think are involved and therefore can be prospective or would-be respondents in the charges to be filed later, if warranted. And invitations to those who can serve as resource persons and can provide certain information… who may not be necessarily involved but have information or leads that can guide our probers,” De Lima said.

Among the charges that Jamalul and his followers may possibly face include inciting to war or giving motives for reprisal; illegal possession of firearms; illegal assembly and violation of the gun ban imposed by the Commission on Elections (Comelec), she said.

Still being studied is the possible filing of rebellion charges against the group, according to De Lima, who said this move needed to be evaluated by the joint fact-finding committee.

“For each crime, there are elements. I’m not sure if all the elements of rebellion or inciting to sedition are present here,” she said.

The Sulu sultan has continued to defy President Aquino’s appeal to him to order home his 235 followers, some of whom are armed, from Sabah.

The President had given Kiram’s group until Wednesday to return home or face the consequences, including being charged with inciting to war or giving motives for reprisal for their actions in Sabah.

Report soon

After the latest deadline for Jamalul’s followers to leave Sabah lapsed on Tuesday, Malacañang sought another extension of “several days” of the grace period given by the Malaysian government for Jamalul’s followers to leave Tanduao and return to Sulu.

In a Feb. 26 order by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of the Interior and Local Government (DILG) released Thursday, the fact-finding body tasked to investigate the circumstances of the Sabah standoff was required to submit as soon as possible its report “whether preliminary or final, on its findings, and to forthwith prepare and file the appropriate criminal charges, if warranted, against those who may be found to be criminally liable.”

De Lima made it clear that President Aquino had given the sultan’s followers the chance to return home peacefully during the first few days of the crisis.

“Had they returned earlier, it was possible they would not have been charged,” she said, noting this was one of the options that the government discussed earlier into the standoff.

“But now that they have taken a hardline stance despite the personal appeal of the President, then it’s hard to say now that if they return there will be no cases awaiting them,” she added.

De Lima also said that the government wants to have very “comprehensive” findings so that when the cases are filed, they will be “airtight” and that all of those involved are charged.

She said this was “better” than charging “piecemeal” where the “participants by inducement are charged first before the participants by direct participation.”

De Lima said the joint committee was basically looking at filing charges that have “extraterritorial” application.

For instance, she said the charge of inciting to war or giving motives for reprisal in violation of Article 118 of the Revised Penal Code had extraterritorial application.

De Lima cited in news reports that the standoff was now threatening the barter trade in Mindanao and threatening the livelihood of other Filipinos in Malaysia who fear reprisals by Malaysian authorities.

She said another possible charge is that of illegal possession of firearms, which she stressed is a crime in the Philippines.

But she said Malaysia may have laws that penalize unlicensed firearms.

UN help

Representatives of the United Nations met with Jamalul on Thursday about extending humanitarian assistance to his followers holed up in Tanduao.

Jamalul did not tell reporters the extent of his discussions with the UN representatives, but his spokesman, Abraham Idjirani, said the sultan’s guests committed humanitarian assistance only and that the talks did not touch on the standoff.

Idjirani said the sultanate hoped the meeting with the UN representatives was the beginning of a “road to attaining peace.”

Jamalul himself told reporters that he did not meet with any representatives from Malacanang and that the meeting with the UN representatives was “more in favor of us.”

Agbimuddin’s group in Tanduao remains adamant about staying there.

He told a radio interview that all negotiations should be through his brother, Jamalul, in Manila.

No change

“If this happens here in the same incident (where) Malaysian authorities will decide to file charges against them and arrest them and even if they have cases here, then we might not be able to get them (to come here immediately),” she said.

De Lima, meanwhile, said the government was also interested to find out who were behind this incident, who are its supporters and who are the provocateurs.

“We have certain information (about supporters and provocateurs) and I have asked the NBI-PNP-CIDG to pursue it,” she said.

The standoff in Sabah remains unchanged for the third week on Thursday.

Numerous reports have emerged of an imminent attack by security forces on the group. One report claimed that several soldiers came close to Tanduao where the followers of the Sulu sultan are holed up.

A heavy presence of security personnel was observed at various strategic locations surrounding the seaside village late Wednesday.

Sabah police also declined to comment if shots were fired in the area on Wednesday evening although nearby villagers claimed to have heard them.

The Sulu group leader, Agbimuddin Kiram, told Philippine media that his men had fired warning shots after spotting what he claimed were six Malaysian security personnel entering the village.

While claiming that they came to Sabah in peace, Agbimuddin warned that his followers were willing to “fight to the death” if provoked.—With reports from Marlon Ramos in Manila and The Star/Asia News Network

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  • http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.com/ Political Jaywalker

    Imagine that, our very own government has all the cruel intention to prosecute the aggrieved party and they call their administration Tuwd na Daan? So now when Aquino asked De Lima to study the “validity” of the claim it actually meant complaint they can file against them, hehehe.

    • txtman

      SABI NI DE DELIMA DE BABOY

      SABAH IS NOT A PHILIPPINE TERRITORY DAW

      OINK OINK OINK!

                         – LALA DE LIMA DE BABOY

      PITIFUL

  • bogli_anakdami

    heto na naman ang mga flip gung gongs… fuck-finding komiti tu inbistigeyt da muklos…

    ay sus ginoo…

  • JOSE RIZAL

    ang kapal naman ng apog. kaya wala ng makuhang respeto ang ating bayan dahil sa kawalan ng kahihiyan ng lahat ng administrasyong dumaan at kasalukuyan. nagpapaboto pa. wag na lang sigurong bumoto ang lahat. baka makaramdam na sila ng kahihiyan pag nagkaganon.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FFSZ7TIZZG47FYQFAZFIGYXKPM Pers

    HOY DELIMA DALDAL WAG KANG MAGSALITA PALPAK NA NAMAN.

  • txtman

    OINK! OINK! OINK!
       
                       – LALA DE LIMA DE BABOY

    PITIFUL

    • patukar

      Baka gusto mo pang isama si Drilon! LOL!

  • Roy Batty

    Raps lang naman pala eh…Rap Battle, Fliptop or Bubble Gang’s Pick up lines?

    Sultan: President PNoy, student ka ba? 

    PNoy: Bakit?

    Sultan: Kasi, puro ka lang study.

    Bwahahaha!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    A clear case of harassment. Hoy, De Lima, andaming cases ng DOJ, unahin mo yun before you on harassing people!

  • geojewel

    Oh, we taught all the while PNoy instructed DeLima to do intensive research on the legitimacy of the Sultanate and the Phils. over Sabah issue! Wala pa nga result dun sa unang assigment nya, ngayon pag-didimanda na sa Sultanate ang ina-asikaso? Nonsense! That’s the delima of this DeLima!

    Panick na ba ang unprincipled admin people?

  • Hey_Dudes

    If it is true the government of Malaysia as it was during the period Britain was paying regular lease payment to the sultanate of Sulu, the heirs of the sultan of Sulu had been receiving and enjoying these rent money for quite sometime  not the Philippine government.  Since it too had been discussed,  Sabah purported belonging to the sultan of Sulu, the heirs should have been responsible from the start to manage the state of affairs with the government of Malaysia.  Why they are creating this crisis in which ultimately the Philippine government will be caught in the middle, I do not see any good reason why the people of the Philippines will have to suffer when clearly, it was the heirs of Sulu who had been remiss in ensuring this island of Sabah is properly administered on the basis of the lease agreement.

    Sabah is not like East Timor and others like it.  It is a prosperous state and has been managed in a progressive way by the Malaysian government unlike some parts of Mindanao.  One need not be a rocket scientist to figure why Sabahans and Malaysian government will not give it up easily.

    • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

      “Sabah managed in a progressive way . . .”

      Sir, with all due respect, have you been to Sabah?

      • Hey_Dudes

         Have I’ve been to Sabah?  I’ve been to Sabah and Sarawak as a businessman so many times.  I’ve flown to Sandakan, Tawau, Miri, Sibu dealing in Oil industry.  Likewise, being in this specific industry, I’ve been to Brunei and too with Pertamina Oil in Jakarta.  Does that answer your question?  I’ve seen Kota Kinabalu in the 70’s where it was only an ordinary capital city to now – having developed into very progressive way.

      • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

        Thanks for clarifying. Would you happen to remember the airline that flew you into Kota Kinabalu back in the 70s?

      • Hey_Dudes

         Flew SIA (Singapore Airlines) to Singapura and MAS (Malaysian Air System) to domestic Malaysia.

      • maypakialamtayo

        any questions?

      • Hey_Dudes

         tabalu ta karen murit.

      • maypakialamtayo

        nukarin la ring berat ot tinuknang lang mangutang?

      • Eddwardd

        hapi to hear u guys tabalu and hey_dudes…

        just ignore our kababayan marami d2 nagmamarunong..ang masaklap pinamukha pa kung nakapunta ka na roon at kung anu ano pa..nakakainsulto like a guy who said kung nakarating n ba ako sa UK at kung alam ko ang monarchy dun…

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         A questiong. What is a ‘kampung?’ net says its like a village, but why the derogatory implications when pertaining it to sabah. please, if you will, explain.

      • Hey_Dudes

         What difference is the word kampung when we also have our own we call barangay or barrio?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        ah, so some people think that Sabah is a ‘barrio,’ and I assume it is NOT, based on the previous posts above. Ok. thanks for the clarification.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VIUM4BBODLUXNPTDSND4FVX4ZQ dodot

    Why so keen in filing cases against the kirams? … pakitang tao?… why not investigate the PCSO where COA has proof they are using the funds illegally 

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Because its the “If you are NOT with us, you are AGAINST US” mentality ni PNoy.

  • Alloywheel1

    A private person placing the nation to a brink of war, to a personal motive to grab land.  It is not worth the lives of our armed forces personnel.

  • Matambaka

    Disgusting…

    Why not help the Sultan and soon we have a real Peace…Help the Sulu Sultanate to come up with a FAIR DEAL with Malaysia…

    Even the Malaysian government are very carefull in delaing the situation,  why our government are very esay to make a very harsh statement that can affect more/aggravate on the situation?

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Ilan na ba napapanalo ni de lima simula nung umupo?

    • Andres Bonifacio

      Wala…

  • maypakialamtayo

    naalala ko tuloy si corporal lance smith (rapist ng pinay) kahit anong ginawa nyang malaking kasalanan ay hindi pinabayaan ng america at nakulong sa US embassy para maprotektahan, ito namang pangulo natin gustong pauwiin si sultan kiram at grupo ang nasa sariling lupain at may balak pang ipakulong.

  • Andres Bonifacio

    Tumira na naman ‘tong si de lima.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cors.guiao Cors Guiao

    Here goes de Lima again, ang tindi rin. What pposition is she eyeing kaya in the next election? I would urge her to release first the investigation result of Atimonan. Truly she is a dog following her owner nanginginig pa. Pag sinabi ni Pinoy na manahimik, wala ng magawa even though she knew something is wrong in the Atimonana shootout. Ay naku De Lima buko ka na.

  • Matambaka

    to DOJ..

    DO NOT ADD SALT TO THE WOUNDS/INJURY ……PLS…

    Matagal na ang usapin tungkol sa Sabah..wag nyo namang balewalain…

    Mula 1963 pa ito ipinaglalaban hanggang ngayon…

  • Fulpol

    De Lima is all eating the “feeds”…

    LOL

  • JIMBOYPALABOY

    gusto ko nang maniwala may kinalaman nga si penoy sa hacienda luisita massacre.
    mas pinapaburan pa niya ang mga land grabber na malaysian kaysa kay kiram na may ari ng lupa. kala siguro nya magsasaka ang mga tao ni kiram kaya sabi niya sa mga malaysian sige barilin ninyo na iyan.

  • NinjaMan

    excellent move DOJ, inform them of your plans, so that they will have more reason not to come back, you stupid idiots!

  • http://www.facebook.com/red.villa.79 Red Villa

    it is internationally accepted facts that borneo belongs to the sultanate of sulu.any military action even by joint forces of the philippines and malaysia will not end up the conflict.but rather it will worsen the situation..tausug are peace loving community but if you threaten their lives, no tausug is afraid to give his life..am not a tausug but they can count on me. 

    • Matambaka

      We Filipinos are uniting in these Sabah issue/Standoff…

      We are now Majority on these stand even on Online Poll and on TV…

      We are also gaining in multimedia and spreading our cause!

      Mabuhay!

  • http://www.facebook.com/red.villa.79 Red Villa

    de lima statement of filing cases to the sultanate of sulu for violation of gun ban seems she doesnt know the intrensic culture of the tausug.i urge her to go to jolo,siasi bongao and sitangkai and see by herself how the tausug carries their gun anytime.even in their small banca..

  • VeryDisgusted2

    We have an idiot president and very idiot justice secretary. Their thick skull and stupidity attracts endless troubles.

    I am a non-Muslim living in Mindanao and I don’t think peace will come to the place with this kind of cruel leaders. I don’t think the Bangsamoro leaders will trust them after this the way they subjected the sultan with injustice.

    These stupid leaders are stooges of Malaysia and oppressors of our own people. They have abrogated our claim rights and violated our Constitution. They are the ones that should be sent to prison.

  • VeryDisgusted2

    The bullheadedness of these two traitors to disregard Philippine interest and protect the interest of Malaysia makes us wonder. Do these two Judases sold us for 30 pieces of silver from Malaysia?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KELBC2K3ZHQWVW7ZCFKZUDDSEU Marlon

    serves them right. haul these forgotten feudal lords to jail. this “royal family” with no kingdom should rot in Bilibid for landgrabbing while sparking an international incident in the process.
     
    the self-styled Sultan of Sulo (his title is doubtful because other “sultans” dispute this) and his bankrupt clan only wants to get Sabah for themselves.
     
    they only want to get a huge payday by getting Sabah and are pressuring the Philippine government to help them in their selfish motives under the pretense that they are doing this for the Filipino people.
     
    BULLSH!T!!!
     
    the so-called Sultanate of Sulu does not pledge allegiance to the Philippines nor to Malaysia. they are only loyal to themselves and their interests.
     
    they are just a land-grabbing family who forget that their days of “royalty” have long gone.
     
    even if these landless feudal lords bring their case to the UN and the ICJ, they will still lose.
     
    despite the so-called “lease agreement”, the people of Sabah have long determined in a 1963 plebiscite that they want to be part of Malaysia.
     
    the UN and the ICJ have long held that the principle of self-determination will always overturn ancient titles, treaties and agreements over land. because if the reverse were true, the RP would still be US territory by virtue of the Treaty of Paris wherein the RP was sold by Spain to the US.

    • Eddwardd

      wrong….as in huge Mistake ,marlon….

      tsk tsk tsk The International Court of Justice  (ICJ)  has not yet   ruled  on the conflicting territorial claims of the Philippines and Malaysia in relation to Sabah. Unlike in ordinary local courts,  the ICJ generally takes cognizance of a dispute  only if the contending parties  willingly agree to bring the matter for resolution to the ICJ.   Considering that Malaysia  has  consistently refused to  give its consent,   this never happened.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KELBC2K3ZHQWVW7ZCFKZUDDSEU Marlon

        fix your reading comprehension skills. i did not say the UN and the ICJ had already ruled over it. i merely pointed out that if a case was brought and heard in the ICJ, the most liklely judgement will be in favor of Malaysia.

        quote ko na lang wikipedia:

        The North Borneo dispute is the result of a claim by the Philippines over much of the eastern part of Sabah in Malaysia. Sabah was known as North Borneo prior to the formation of the Malaysian federation in 1963. The Philippines, via the heritage of the Sultanate of Sulu, claim Sabah on the basis that Sabah was only leased to the British North Borneo Company with Sulu’s sovereignty never being relinquished. Malaysia however, considered this dispute as a “non-issue”, as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of the Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu.[26][27] As reported by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the independence of North Borneo was brought about as the result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in a 1963 election.[28] This is further reinforced by the International Court of Justice view that,
        “…historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed on the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority, cannot – except in the most extraordinary circumstances – prevail in law over the rights of non-self-governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self-determination.[28]”

      • sanjuan683

         Opinion mo lang, isang matibay ng evidence ay yun annual rent payment of Malaysia sa Sultanate of Sulu. So, who is the real owner? And why Malaysia paying annual lease to Sultanate of Sulu? You answer that?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

      The Sultan is just claiming the territory of Sabah and not the people contained therein. If the people in Sabah dislike the Sultan they have the freedom to move elsewhere and still enjoy being a Malaysian. In a plebiscite the people can elect Malaysia as their motherland but they have no right over the land they inhabit because it does not belong to them.

      A Filipino owning a land in the US cannot turn over his property to the Philippine government and make it part of the Republic.

    • sanjuan683

      Unggoy basahin mo history, wala pa ang Pilipinas, nandiyan na ang Sultanate of Sulu, wala pa si Magellan, nandiyan na ang Sultanate of Sulu. Wala pa sina Paring Damaso at Bishop Damaso nandiyan na ang Sultanate of Sulu. Malinaw na ang Malaysia nagbabayad ng annual rent sa Sultanate of Sulu, o sino ang may-ari o landlord eh di ba ang Sultanate of Sulu. Mag-esep-esep ka nga o mag google ka nga at mag-search ng history.

  • tra6Gpeche

    My question is: If the brother of Sultan of Sulu, Jumalul Kiram III, and his followers leave Sabah and go back to the Philippines, will the Philippine government, at least, persuade the Malaysian government to promise in writing that the issue of Sabah will be discussed and resolved with the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu? If the Sultan of Sulu does not get anything from the Philippine government, why should the brother of Sultan Jmalul Kiram III and his followers leave Sabah and abandon their sovereign ownership of it?

  • Eddwardd

    this De Lima is a bull*hit..epal na epal..lahat pinapelan…ano ba? tama na sobra na…d n kau nahihiya sa sarili nyo…anong ginawa nyong abnoy sa Luneta hostage crisis? ito n nmn..ano ito Student body council ng mga grade schoolers at high schoolers?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

    When someone tries to shoot down a Filipino fighting for our sovereignty, we call that treason.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3TWVIBNBHJIBKXLUC5IT2JYM5E Harry

    The least that our government can do for the Sultan of Sulu, a Filipino, is to present his grievance  to the Malaysian government and let the Malaysian do the explanation – whether officially to our government or privately to the Sultan.

  • generalproblem

    what is this de lima wala kana bang alam kundi sumunod sa amo mo. diba sayo naiyuro yung history ng sabah nung nag aral ka. what a shame

  • Cerise David

    May press release pa talaga eh, no?

  • katabay1106

    Instead of helping a fellow filipino who is only pursuing his legitimate claim which is recognized by the Malaysian government by paying rentals to the Sultan of Sulu, this cowardly president is helping a foreign occupier who in the past encouraged and help the muslim rebels against the philippine government.

  • ApoNiLolo

    Moro-moro lang ito to show their foreign counter-parts that they mean what they say. I don’t think the administration are that stupid to actually put the Sultan and his followers to this kind of situation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OVP72XP7RU2OP7HX2PMD6N35BM Romee Fernandez

    Di kaya naintindihan ni De Lima na sa ginagawa nila ni PNoy sa mga Kiram’s at supporters e lalo pang darami ang makikisimpatiya sa kanila at lalong lalaki ang gulo kapag ang mga Tausogs, Badjao e tuluyang magrebelde. Alalahanin ninyong ang mga Muslim e bawat pamilya niyan e me baril. Kungdi negosyante e OFW yang mga miyembro ng pamilya at unang binibili sa kinita e M16 dahil nasa kultura na nila ito. Kahit na nga dote sa kasalan e me M16 o anumang baril na kasama sa inireregalo kaya talagang nagkalat ang baril diyan at kung mag aalsa yan e di basta basta susurender ng walang madugong laban. Wag ninyong apihin ang api na dahil me basehan ang kanilang claim sa Sabah. Pag-usapan ninyo at humanap ng solusyon – win win solusyon sa Sabah.

  • sanjuan683

    DOJ alam mo ang ginagawa mo, ididimanda mo yun mga followers ng Sultan of Sulu, saan ba nangyari ang illegal firearm, o rebellion. Sakop na ba ng Pilipinas ang SABAH at ididimanda ninyo yun mga followers. Labo ninyo saan ba kayo nag-aral ng law. Saan ba nangyari ang crime? Sa Pinas ba o Malaysia. Huag ninyo takutin ang kapwa ninyo Pinoy, itong gobierno natin kumakampi sa Malaysia. Nakakahiya kayo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    So disappointing that the DOJ Secretary has to do whatever the president wants her to do. She could have advised the president to take it easy. There is no more “Independence of Mind” among the Cabinet members. What for is her professional and technical know-how if she would not use it for the good of her president? Leila de Lima simply wants to keep her job. She is enjoying the power and privilege of the position. This news is before the shooting incident this morning. So, I would like to see how the government will proceed. It is too much for this Aquino administration to see only the small black dots of the sultan and his royal army but not the entire white paper which represents the good intentions of the claimants. Useless to hope for a genuine “daang matuwid”. The road ahead is now filled with bumps and potholes of injustice and apathy.

  • sanjuan683

    Napakahina ng foreign policy ng ating kasalukuyang administration, mga traydor, sa kalaban kumakampi nakakahiya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FWD5IDZT7SXOEHKLE3O7CGFOAE Bright

    Ano ba naman yan… Pabayaan nyo na sila. Sila nga itong kawawa gina ganito nyo pa. 

  • UrHONOR

    GOOD MOVE.  Everyone should toe the line, NO EXCEPTION.

    RABBLE rousers lose again.

  • Rathbumo

    Quotes from SoJ Secretary Lella Delima:

    Among the charges that Jamalul and his followers may possibly face include inciting to war or giving motives for reprisal; illegal possession of firearms; illegal assembly and violation of the gun ban imposed by the Commission on Elections (Comelec), she said.

    Still being studied is the possible filing of rebellion charges against the group, according to De Lima, who said this move needed to be evaluated by the joint fact-finding committee.

    “For each crime, there are elements. I’m not sure if all the elements of rebellion or inciting to sedition are present here,” she said.

    Are you kidding me? How can you charge them with those offenses e nasa labas sila ng Pinas. Pareho ba ang batas natin at ang Sabah? May election din ba duon?

    Are you really a lawyer, Sec. Delima?

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