Pope: ‘Stormy waters’ for Church but God will not let it sink

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Pope Benedict XVI delivers a speechduring his last weekly audience on February 27, 2013 at St Peter’s square at the Vatican. Pope Benedict XVI will hold the last audience of his pontificate in St Peter’s Square on Wednesday on the eve of his historic resignation as leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics. AFP PHOTO / GABRIEL BOUYS

VATICAN CITY—Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday admitted “stormy waters” during his pontificate as he held his last audience in St. Peter’s Square before tens of thousands of pilgrims on the eve of his historic resignation.

Benedict toured the Vatican plaza in his famous “popemobile”, stopping to kiss children and waving to the crowd of more than 100,000 gathered under a bright, cloudless sky.

Some in the throng held up huge banners with messages such as “Benedict, we’ll miss you!” and “The pope is the heart of this city!” or waved the Vatican’s yellow and white flag at the pontiff’s last public event.

The pope drew an analogy between his reign and a miracle recounted in the Bible when Jesus Christ calmed the waters as he was sailing with his disciples including St. Peter — a fisherman by trade who is believed by Christians to be the first pope.

“The Lord gave us days of sun and of light breeze, days in which the fishing was good. There were also moments when there were stormy waters and headwinds,” the pope said.

“But I always knew that God was in that boat and I always knew that the boat of the Church is not mine, is not ours, but is his and he will not let it sink,” the leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics told the cheering crowd.

Benedict also said his decision to resign — which makes him the first pope to do so since the Middle Ages — had not been an easy one but had been taken for the good of the Church.

“I took this step in full awareness of its gravity and novelty but with profound serenity of spirit,” he said, adding: “I will continue to accompany the Church with prayer and reflection.”

Pilgrims flocked to bid a final farewell to the frail 85-year-old, who earlier this month abruptly cut short his pontificate, an eight-year reign dogged by scandal and Vatican infighting, by declaring he was too weak to keep up with the modern world.

“I have come in gratitude for everything he has done these past eight years,” said Father Giulio, a 67-year-old priest from the Abruzzo region.

“Resigning is a powerful message for every Christian. He resigned without bitterness but instead in sweetness and serenity,” he said.

The Vicar General of Rome, cardinal Agostino Vallini, said residents of the Italian capital were turning out in great numbers because they felt a special bond with the ageing pope.

“It is something our heart and our faith demands,” Vallini told Vatican Radio ahead of the event.

“Rome likes the pope a lot and feels a special affection for him so it could not miss his last public act,” he said.

Benedict’s resignation is a break with Catholic tradition that has worried conservatives but kindled the hopes of Catholics around the world who want a successor who will breathe new life into the Church.

Rome has been gripped by speculation over what prompted Benedict to resign and who the leading candidates might be to replace him, as cardinals from around the world fly in ahead of the conclave to elect the next pope.

Rumors and counter-rumors in the Italian media suggest cut-throat behind-the-scenes lobbying, prompting the Vatican to condemn what it has called “unacceptable pressure” to influence the papal election.

Campaign groups have also lobbied the Vatican to exclude two cardinals accused of covering up child sex abuse from the upcoming election conclave.

The Vatican has said Benedict will receive the title of “Roman pontiff emeritus” and can still be addressed as “Your Holiness” and wear the white papal cassock after he officially steps down at 1900 GMT on Thursday.

Just before that time, the Vatican said Benedict will be whisked off by helicopter to the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo near Rome where he will begin a life out of the public eye.

Benedict will wave from the residence’s balcony one last time before retreating to a private chapel and, as he has said, a life “hidden from the world”.

Starting next week, cardinals from around the world will begin a series of meetings to decide what the priorities for the Catholic Church should be, set a start date for the conclave and consider possible candidates for pope.

The conclave — a centuries-old tradition with an elaborate ritual — is supposed to be held within 15 to 20 days of the death of the pope, but Benedict has given special dispensation for the cardinals to bring that date forward as no mourning period is needed.

A total of 115 “cardinal electors” are scheduled to take part after one voter said he was too sick and another, British cardinal Keith O’Brien, said he would not be taking part after allegations emerged that he made unwanted advances towards priests in the 1980s.

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  • Pablo316

    To the surprise of many people who taught themselves to be
    Christians yet is pathetically ignorant of the truth of God’s written words –
    the Bible, the Lord Jesus Christ does not talk of just a single church but of
    ‘churches’!

    In fact the Lord even goes so far as to write personal
    letters to seven of them and in this letters you will be surprised to find out
    that Christian churches are most often than not are wrong in their walk with
    Him. In fact only two churches got no reproof from the Lord. Nevertheless the
    Lord Jesus, at the end of His letters always goes to the fact that it is not
    the group or church you belong to that matters but your personal walk with Him
    that does. That is whether you are true to His words, as written in the Bible
    or not.

    The Lord Jesus Christ will not surely abandon those who
    belong to Him – that is everyone who repented of their sins and accepts Him as
    their Lord and Savior and has a personal relationship with Him. Their totality
    is what is called the Body of Christ – the Church, however the world will only
    know who’s in or out once the Lord Jesus Christ appears before the eyes of the
    whole world.

    Read, study and live the pure and unadulterated teachings of
    the Bible God-fearing people. God bless!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

      Even Ellen G. White of the Seventh Day Adventist said in her book ‘Question on Doctrine’ said thus: 
      “We fully recognize the heartening fact that a host of true followers of Christ are scattered all through the various churches of Christendom, including the Roman Catholic communion. These (people) God clearly recognizes as His own. Such do not form a part of the “Babylon” portrayed in the Apocalypse.”

  • daniboy2012

    Catholics  are already on bottom of the abyss…..satan is their god!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

       Very IGNORAMUS to the Catholic Church, If were you, I have to study first before saying any unfounded and baseless things. Wis.8:8 “read the history” 

  • Crysis_III

    Even though I’m not Catholic but still I have to support the Church. The Church was the vanguard and defending Christianity against other religion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/25UAHA74QQS5NENIA3EXO2A7PY Faisal salman

    tutal marami na ring mga binago sa mga aral at patakaran sa priesthood buhat pa sa mga naunang aral ..tanggalin na ang celibacy para wala nang magkukunwari at magiging tunay na tao na ginawa ng diyos ang mga pari.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

       Aber ano namang doktrina ng Katoliko na sinasabi mong binabago? Mag-aral ka muna bago magsalita. Ang celibacy ay nag-umpisa pa sa panahon ni Kristo, di ba si Kristo ay walang asawa at pati sina Tito, Timothy at San Pablo ay walang mga asawa. At ihabol ko pa si San Juan Bautista. Basahin mo nga Mat. 19:12 para magising ka sa katotohanan.   

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

        At gumising ka sa katotohan ang mga pari at obispo totally napractice ang celibacy ? kaya pala dami ng mga anak ng mga banal dahil mga anak ng pari
        kapag walang asawa banal na ? Ito ang nap[akalaking aral ng kaipokritohan ng mga kaparian kaya ang mga pari ang dami ng escandalo ng mga kabaklaan.pagmomolestya sa mga KABATAAN NA ISA SA DAHILAN KAYA NAGRESIGN ANG SANTO PAPA ..GETS MO ?.
        Ang mga pari ng nag-uumpisang pari puro pagpipigil kahit nalilibugan na hanggang sa katagalan kahit kanino na lang gustong pagparausan ..kawawang mga pari.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/25UAHA74QQS5NENIA3EXO2A7PY Faisal salman

        Ang punto ko bakit ang ibang relihiyon hinde nagkukunwari ,nangangaral ng salita ng diyos pero sumusunod din sa utos na mag-asawa..sa palagay mo ba ang mga pari hinde nagnanasa na natural lang naman sa lahat ng tao ?

      • Bli tz

        paano ang 12 apostol na lahat ay pinaniniwalaang may-asawa maliban kay juan (the beloved), kasama na si pedro, simon, santiago, atbp..[mark1:29-31; I Corinthians 9:3-6]… sa text na sinabi mo (matt19:12), tungkol yan sa mga “eunuch”. pero sila ay mga manggagawa at hindi mga taga-panguna o “leaders” ng church o local churches tulad ng mga apostol, pastol, obispo o “elder”..

        ang tanong ko: kung ini-encourage ni Kristo ang “celibacy” (na sinimulan ni Hesus ayon sa sinabi mo), bakit karamihan na pinili niyang mangungulo sa unang iglesya ay may-asawa na?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

         Basahin mo muna yong bibliya mo at mag aral ka uli sa history and hope things be more clearer to you next time around.

      • Bli tz

        talaga? baka ang kailangan, ikaw ang magbasa ng bibiya at nang kasaysayan. wala kang maisagot sa katanungan at hindi mo masuportahan ang iyong mga sinasabi.. mahirap magpaliwanag ng sarili mo lang na opinyon at haka-haka. dapat nakabase lahat sa salita ng Dios. ang mga tinuran kong claims ay nakalagay sa bibliya, kaya isinama ko ang mga proof texts at kasaysayan..hindi malilinaw ng personalan ang isang katotohanan.. nakikita ko na parang hindi ka sanay sa pagpapaliwanag, o sadyang hindi mo talaga nalalaman ang mga sinasabi mo?

  • bugoybanggers

    Those people who want the ABOLATION of Catholicism are good for them, and then what will be next SECTARIAN? Kanya-kanya, pagalingan, pa-CUTE, hahaha nice.  Most ex-Catholics want to gain popularity because they know once SECTARIANISM become majority, this will lead to ATHEISM and SCIENTOLOGY. So what’s good? You want to change the world, go on start with your family.  Let the west ruin your LIFE. Go WESTERN!

    • panhase

       Ehhhh, where did the Catholic Church come from, not the west?

      • bugoybanggers

        Rome, ITALY saan pa? WEST. Pambihira ka naman. Sige na. Wasakin na ang Catholicism, mag rally sa harap ng CBCP at sunugin na ang Manila Cathedral, isama na ang Quipo Church. Larga na, puro kasi daldal.

  • daniboy2012

    Catholics deserve hell…coz no matter how you explain that priests azz stinks they still won’t believe. They love lies and fairy tales. Truth for them is boring and dull … 

  • rofllma0

    ABOMINATION – CHURCH OF THE DEVIL – PAGAN WORSHIPER

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Pope: ‘Stormy waters’ for Church but God will not let it sink <<< 

    "Ako na naman ang sinasangkalan ng mga TNL na 'to kaya hindi ako matahimik sa mga ginagawa ko dito, e, parang mga totoy itong mga 'to na hindi makakilos na hindi ako sinasangkot.  Kaya nga ba dumadalas na hindi ko na lang pinapansin ang mga TNL na 'to kasi masyadong very dependent!"
    ….sgd G

  • ano ikaw

    Ang daming muslim dito. Sige pugutin ninyo ang ulo ng mga kaaway ninyo and maghasik kayo ng lagim.

  • UrHONOR

    IT will not sink because it has already sunk….it has touched the seafloor many-a-moon ago.  That’s why many of the men in white are called “submariners”….experts in “diving” for “souls” of young boys and “treasure” of the church.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

       Jesus Christ has a promised to His church that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. What do you think to our Jesus Christ a liar? Col.2:5″I am absent in flesh but with you in spirit”.   

      • UrHONOR

        SO?  What do you think is happening a MIRAGE?

        You keep on quoting Jesus Christ et al….bakit sino ba yang Jesus Christ mo na lahat na lang ay dyan mo sinasandalan ang pag-iisip mo at HINDI mo gamitin ang sarili mong pag-iisip?  Mas paniniwalaan mo pa ba ang mga kwento kaysa sa mga tunay na panghyayari na nakikita mo na ngayon?  Anong katuturan na isusugal mo ang pangkasalukuyan na nakikita at nahahawakan mo ngayon sa pnaghinaharap na wala kang kasiguraduhan na makikita mo pa?  Open your eyes and ears and quit being beholden to fairy tales painted to you on the canvas of make-believes by the damasing.  Kita mo na yong mismong mga cardinals at bisyaps, e, binababoy na ang simbahan, tapos ikaw, e, nagbabantay tanod para sa kanila?  Dasalasanansens!

      • aristeosj

        There were scandals and unfortunate events that happened.
        The church will not sink rather it will be saved and continue 
        to serve her faithful.

        But it will not be the cardinals,bishops, nor priests who will
        save the church.It will be the faithful themselves.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

        YES i will support and depend the church and its leaders if they are PREACHING THE RIGHT AND DOING THE RIGHT!!!! NOT THIS COVER-UP BY VATICAN TO THIS ABUSIVE PRIEST/BISHOPS TO HAVE SEX IN INNOCENT CHILDREN…..and NOT respecting the Constitution of the Philippines! Else, will never and ever …..AMEN!

      • UrHONOR

        THAT is all speculation.  WHAT WILL HAPPEN is not important. IT is WHAT IS HAPPENING that is momentous.   The present where we can see, touch, smell and listen to what the duck is going on.  NOT on something that will happen later, as we might not even be there when it happens…or  it might not happen at all.

        Besides, WHO’S IDEA is it that the church will or will not SINK?  Hindi ba nanggaling din yan kay RATZY?  May nagsabi bang iba na guiguho o lulbog ang church?  Malamang sa guilt nya na wala siyang ginawa o wala siyang magawa sa tambak-tambak ng katutak ng kasalaulaan na nangyayari sa chruch dahil ang mga ahente nitong mga naka-sayang puti ay unti-unti ng namumulat ang kanilang mga mata sa katotohanan na ang church na yan ay hindi na feasible—parang kotseng kailangan ng ibaba ang makina…at humihingi ng makabuluhan at malawak na pagbabago sa paggabay ng mga tao sa kanyang pang personal na paniniwala.

      • GKLer

        More fallacies. When you learn to write, use logic, try again.

      • UrHONOR

        SAPUL-na-sapul  sa gitna, ano?  I know the feeling of being unmasked of one’s DECEPTION and PHONINESS.  When you finish HS, come back to this forum and show what you learn about logic and rhetoric.

      • GKLer

        Whatever.  I won’t waste my time on maximus ignoramus here.  Get an education, any. Make sure you stay away from Star Trek – it’s fiction.

      • aristeosj

        What is happening at the present time is a test and a severe challenge to the church.But as the pope said,these events will not sink the church.having said that,it will also need a radical change within its internal structure.the church should never forget to include her faithful in these changes.These changes are inevitable and they should come and they should be done.

        I was able to watch the last public appearance of Pope Benedict and I felt the people’s adherence and affection to him despite and in spite of all the shortcomings.I still stand by my statement that the faithful(more than a billion catholics worldwide)will save this church.they will be the judge whether she has still her substance and meaning.

      • UrHONOR

        MANY if not most of the attendees were members of religious organizations and/or seminarians and clergies.  They, of course, would  like to say adieu to the outgoing commander-in-chief about to retire.

        As I had expressed somewhere earlier, the organization needs a thorough overhaul, especially its teachings…dogmas and doctines, as they have become passe’ and irrelevant for the past many years giving rise to numerous sects and sub-sects to obtain that which they can not from the church that raised them but are not able to maintain them.  It is a complicated and sticky situation that can not be solved and understood through chapters and verses that many are employing as if they really know what they are talking about.

        As regards endurance and perseverance, I have no doubt that an organization such as the RCCh will not just disappear in the thin air.  The organization has grown far and wide through many ways that could raise eyebrows… and the cadre system it employs insures the perpetual continuation of the hierarchy indefinitely. Such is also the nature of the Mafia and Yakusa organizations, though younger in existence.  An older one that was started during Solomon’s time is the Freemasonry.  All these organizations have withstood the test of time, Freemasonry being the oldest.  In terms of number, RCCh has less than many organizations, religious or otherwise.  In terms of length of existence, RCCh is a tee-age compared with older ones.  So, the church does not have the monopoly of either the number of followers nor the length of time of existence.

      • GKLer

        Fairy tales? An ignorant comment.

        The bible has 2500 prophecies. Here is one.

        1.  This prophecy was written looooong ago, about ~2000 years ago…it is half fulfilled.

        Prophecy in Matthew 24 (Jesus speaks)
        “14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

        2. TODAY it is estimated that 7.5 billion Bibles have been printed since 1816 and are in circulation in 2370 LANGUAGES. 100 million are being sold per year, not including electronic copies.” –despite Rome’s (the most powerful nation in the world for almost 1000 years) attempts to execute Christians for 300 years, and the Roman Catholic Church’s attempts to suppress the Bible and execute those who read it for 600 years!

        3. I suppose you think that’s a coincidence….what are the mathematical odds? If you do, there are at least 2000 other prophecies that have come true…some in the last 100 years YOU can easily verify.

      • UrHONOR

        IGNORANT?  Balderdash, Hogwash remark!!!

        What you are blabbering about are all pieces of literature and spinning it to look like coming from a magic wand able to scoop a hare a hat looooooong time ago.

        Your stats are nothing but stats. In a parallel universe all odds exist.  Prophecies are hindsights that other than rendering one a MondayMorning  Quarterback, means NOT A THING.  Should you persist in the gunk you are standing on, SHOW me a meaningful PROPHECY that is to happen…not stupid ones like Monday coming after Sunday or that the Sun will be out on Sunday….but an EVENT or HAPPENING like who’s the next Pope and when will the end of the world take place and I will be your servant for the rest of my life!

        EVEN if quintillions of bibles have been sole and every individual has 100 copies of it, such stat has no value except may be the publishers made a handsome profit.

        Walang sinabi yang mga pagpapalahad mong yan.  Hindi dinadaan sa patagalan yan dahil ang Shintoism, Buddhism, at Islam ay mas matagal pa sa binabanggit mong mga numero at Jesus.  Hindi pa pinapanganak si Jesus, nandiriyan na yang mga yan.  

        Ang mahalagang bagay dito sa usapang ito ay KUNG BAKIT PARATING SINASANGKOT ang bibliya at si Jesus, e, wala naman silang kinalaman sa pangyayari.  Ang paksa dito ay ang paggamit ni Ratzy ng pangalang god na baboy-na-baboy na sa sobrang paggamit.  Bakit hindi gamitin ang sariling kaisipan at hindi yong parating nakasandal sa kung ano-anong numero at libro na wala namang katuturan sa nagaganap na usapan?  Tanggalin mo ang saklay mong prophecy-peophecy dahil marami ng gumawa nyan sa kasaysayan ng lahi ng tao tulad ng sumusunod Nostradamus, Muhammad, JSmith,Rishi, Baba Vanga, at Felix Manalo.  At kung pataasan ng ihi ang gusto mong gawin, ang tinayong simbahan ni MVelarde at FManalo na kailan lang ay higit na nakakaangat sa simbahan ni Damaso na nauna ng matagal na.

      • GKLer

        Here’s a summary of your comments:  BS

        2000 out of 2500 prophecies coming true is significant from a mathematical point of view – in any universe that can be defined by mathematics.

        You have no proof parallel universes exists – so what you just blabbed about is pure BS.

        The rest of your comments is also BS. So I won’t waste my time. I suggest you get an education and look up this word: fallacies.

      • UrHONOR

        HANGGANG dyan lang pala ang kaya mo, e, nagpapalabas ka pa ng kung ano-anong kalechesang constipated na mathecology mong nognog.  No proof for Parallel Universe…you just betrayed your sophomoric hypo intelligence.  And yet you want others to believe that god exists in books?  PSHAW!  You are not worth a rat’s arse,  trying-hard apologists.   

      • GKLer

        Whatever.  I won’t waste my time on maximus ignoramus here.  Get an education, any.  Make sure you stay away from Star Trek – it’s fiction.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

        Why you qoute Jesus Christ in this issue…..Jesus Christ has nothing to do with this DAMASO/ESKRIBAS ng Pilipinas and he has nothing to do with this SEX scandal OF PRIESTS to minor children that cover-up by Vatican.

        Mangilabot kanaman……isinasama mo pa si Jesus Christ sa kahalayan ng mga PARING NANG AABUSO NG BATA AT KABATAAN NA WALANG MUWANG.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

        Although there are few church servants that are doing things that are against the teaching of the true church which is the Catholic Church, that reasoning cannot prevent the factual facts on the bible and on the history that Catholic Church is the true church of founded by Jesus Christ. On Gods angels, some were thrown out led by Lucifer and on Jesus apostles Judas also betrayed.     

      • Bli tz

        again, this is your opinion and personal claim. kind of hear-say. you need to prove how the catholic church is the true church,and why the others are not.. and why Christ became the the founder of the catholic church, when the Bible and history state that the new testament church (not the catholic church) started on the day of pentecost in Jerusalem and not in any other place [Acts chaps 1&2] and as prophesied by Christ [matt16:16-18].. never do “storytell” without supporting it with facts. i would say, you’re old enough to do what is right. i observed that you keep on telling many of the bloggers that you disagree, to study their history. however, you’re not walking your talk.

      • GKLer

        Jesus indeed said that.  But he was talking about the TRUE CHURCH that isn’t corrupted by Satan.  Jesus was talking about himself.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3VXUWOGAA2TGEISTZWRNVGJVZ4 nrcarcht

        Grolier Encyclo Vol. V p 106, Catholic Church is a divine society founded by Jesus Christ; World Almanac and The Book of Facts 1986 p342, Catholic Church – origen Jesus Christ. Hope that on the quoted references that the mentioned TRUE CHURCH in your reply will be credited to the Catholic Church. Wis8:8 “you must know the history”.

      • GKLer

        (New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition)

        Matthew 16:18
        18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[a] and on THIS rock[b] I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

        Compare with this.

        Psalm 18:2 The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock,….

        Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?

        Peter said this…that we are also living stones.,

        1 Peter 2:4-64 Come to him, to that LIVING STONE, rejected by men but in God’s sight chosen and precious; 5 and like LIVING STONES be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a STONE, a CORNERSTONE chosen and precious, and he who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Ang method mo sa pag interpret ng bibliya ay nakakatuwa. Parang kang si Brad Pet ng “Ang Dating Doon”. Heheh

        Magandang umaga hu Brad Gkler.. Pwede magtanong?

      • GKLer

        There’s the RENE will all know… he will now start to ridicule a person (fallacy ad hominem), because he has run out of counter-arguments based on facts.  Very Catholic of you.  Do set an example for us.

        NO interpretation given, read the scripture yourself from your own bible.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        And you are a typical cultist.

      • GKLer

        Time to reply, but doesn’t answer my questions.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Dahil wala akong nakuhang magandang sagot from youo. If you review the comment thread, ako ang unang nagtanong sa yo at ikaw ang nag reply ng tanong para makaiwas sa una kong tanong..

      • GKLer

        I answered you EVERYTIME.

        You obviously don’t like the answers coming from the Bible because they are not what you have been taught by the RCC.

        Then it is you with a problem.

        And you don’t reciprocate by answering my questions.

        quid pro quo!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        “Jesus was talking to himself”.

        ‘Yan ang interpretation ng mga may tama ang kukuti.

        Ang method mo sa pag interpret ng bibliya ay nakakatuwa. Parang kang si Brad Pet ng “Ang Dating Doon”. Heheh

        Magandang umaga hu Brad Gkler.. Pwede magtanong?

      • GKLer

        You just proved you don’t read very well.  Read it.

        It says Jesus was talking about himself – and it’s not the only time he does that.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        If Jesus was talking about himself, He could have used pronoun. May grammar units ka ba? Wag mong sabihin walang pronoun ang Aramaic language.

        When Jesus talks about himself he made it clear by using the title “Son of Man”. Na gets mo na?

      • GKLer

        WRONG!!!

        Example 1:  Luke 4:16-21.  READ IT.  Jesus was talking about himself here.  He didn’t say “Son of Man” anywhere.

        Example 2: “I am coming like a thief in the night…..” Matthew 24, Revelation 16

        Don’t criticize Jesus for the language he used!!!  Man who do you think you are??

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Ikaw, ginagawa mong ano si Jesus? Jesus was talking to Peter at biglang nag change topic in just ONE SENTENCE? Paki explain mo nga ayon sa ‘out of context’ interpretaion mo phrase by phrase ang Matthew 16:18?

        Ang layo ng mga examples mo.

        Luke 14:16-21 and Mattew 24 are parables. Matthew 16:18-19 IS NOT A PARABLE.

        Therefore magkaiba ang contexto. And it is clear that you interpret them OUT OF CONTEXT.

      • GKLer

        GULO MO.

        I quote Rene “When Jesus talks about himself he made it clear by using the title “Son of Man”. Na gets mo na? 

        The 2 examples I gave proves you incorrect,  He doesn’t always use the title “Son of Man”.

      • UrHONOR

        Maybe JC is not but YOU are.  You are quoting something you have no complete idea about.  Basta’t merong mga salitang nagkakatugma-tugma, YON na yon.  It’s not for you to quote the bible freely simply to respond to remark.  USE your own intelligance and argue from that standpoint.  Ginagawa mong SAKLAY ang bible…binababoy mo ang bible basta makasali ka lang sa usapan at magpasiklab ng bagay na salat-na-salat ka sa kaalaman.

  • geminimind

    Knowing what Jesus know in the beginning is very important (not found in the Bible)
    There is no such thing as 2nd coming of Jesus the Christ
    The best religion in the world is you(individualized)simply because it’s you the performer not the church.
    Church affiliation does not give you your salvation,but salvation is found in you just the same.
    Salvation means self elevation-elevate yourselves unto God,unto Jesus,unto Mary and most ascended masters in Heaven.

    • GKLer

      No 2nd coming?  Says who you??

      Jesus speaks in Matthew 24
      So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

      Salvation is in you??? What are you smoking??

      Psalm 146
      3 Put not your trust in princes, Nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
      4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.

      So wait for this….before you start preaching your lies to the sheep.

      Luke 3:6
      And all mankind will see God’s salvation.’

      • geminimind

        Me

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Galing mag copy/paste ng bible chapters and verses that are works of the Catholic Church.

        Bible was divided into chapters by Cardinal Hugo de Sanctu Caro in the middle of 13th century. (General introduction to sacred scriptures. p. 64 by Dixon)

        Chapters was divided into verses in 1528 by Dominican monk Sanctes Pagninus in 1528. p. 66

        Di ba sabi mo marami kang mga references; codex, fragments, original hebrew and greek versions na ipinagpatunay mo na hindi ang Catholic Church ang source ng mga aklat ng bibliya? At bakit lahat ng mga references mo ay galing sa Holy Bible na Catholic church ang nag proclaim ng Canon (list) of Books that comprises the Holy Bible?

        Try mo daw mag present ng reference na galing sa  mga ipinagyabang mong mga codex, fragments, original versions in Greek and Hebrew. Ma intindihan natin yan dahil sabi mo may interlinear translations ang mga hawak mong kopya.

        Let us see.

      • GKLer

        Your logic is flawed.  Nagkakalat ka na dito, yet you left my comments to you without a reply in the other thread.

        Q.  When did Cardinal Hugo de Sanctu divide the bible?
        A.  13th Century AD (from Rene)… so not 1st Century AD. 

        Q.  Which “bible” did Jesus Christ read from in the synagogue in the 1st Century?  

        Refer to Luke 4:16-21
        16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,  because he has anointed me  to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners  and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,19   to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[a]20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
        A.  ??? (hint: it wasn’t Catholic)

        Q. How many books are there in the Bible?  I ask because I need to make sure you are using a REAL bible.
        A. ??

        Q. Which of the Biblical books did the Catholic Church write/author?
        A. ???

        Q. You are now back to codex, etc… so let me ask you: Did the Catholic Church produce/write/author the Ben Asher Manuscripts?
        A. ??

        Q. Did the Catholic Church produce/write/author the Dead Sea Scrolls which are dated 400 years before Christ arrived?
        A. ???

        Q. Which sources did Gerome use to translate and create the Latin Vulgate Bible?
        A. ???

        Quit claiming what is not the RCC’s.If the “bible” belonged to anyone…it first belonged to the Jewish people/Israelites whom God chose…and MOSES wrote down the first book called Genesis as ordered by God in Exodus 17

        Read Revelation 1
        1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

        —-That tells everyone all this is from God not the RCC.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Dahil wala kang ma-ipresenta kahit isa sa mga ipinagyabang mong mga codex, fragments, version ng greek at hebrew dahil WALA TALAGA. Mabuti pa sa inyo ang Dating Daan ni Eli Soriano. hehe

      • GKLer

        Where is your answer????????????  Matagal na ko naghihintay….. You are now avoiding them and going in circles….and likely you will now resort to ridicules di ba??

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Nasaan na ang mga ipinagyabang mo na hinahanap ko? Prove it!

      • GKLer

        You don’t read my replies.  

        I told you I have a hebrew + greek interlinear. It has a number concordance based on Strong’s It’s a 20+ year old book.

        What, you want me to mail it to you?  Duhh…that’s not going to happen dude!

        You can find a similar online version:  Look this up “Hebrew Greek Interlinear Bible”

        You have online access to the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Here:  dss . collections . imj . org . il

        EASY right???

        SO don’t accuse me of being a liar without proof!

  • UrHONOR

    IT’S the fat lady to sing that has to happen, then it’s over.

  • aristeosj

    The religious group of the Catholic church are the ones sinking the church.
    Her faithful will save it from being ruined this time.With the blossoming
    of the faith in certain parts of Africa and in Latin America,the church will
    continue to serve her faithful and beyond!!!

    • geminimind

      TRUE
      to be honest with you,there are rituals found in the catholic church that are of GOD
      The Holy Communion is a ritual that reminds us of our Beloved Jesus.
      The skirmishes found with-in the church will vanish but the church always remain.

  • bogli_anakdami

    kaksaker padre dumbassos, wahapeng?

    i thoughted you have direk linya to god?… when you supsop me at the confessional, you sed t’was god’s lips sucking the sin out of moi???

    yu naughty yu, kaksaker padre dumbasso….

    hay naku, katolick is for turd ooooopsie third world religion… and flip gung gongs are right at the front,…

    bwi hi hi hi hi pwi!

    • GKLer

      Wow, what a retard.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    ANG SITWASYON NGAYON ay produkto nalamang po sa matagal nang panahon na pananakip ng batikan sa mga paring nang aabuso ng mga inosenteng bata at kabataan. Kung tutuusin dapat si Pope John na sinundan ni Pope Benedict ng malawakang action laban obispo at pari na binibiktima ang mga inusenting bata at kabataan. Ito nga po ang sinasabi ko, ANG KARMA AY HINDI NATUTULOG AT NA PAPAGOD. Kaya ang mga DAMASO/ESKRIBAS sa Pilipinas ay huwag na huwag sana akong makasalubong dahil DUDURAAN KO SILA SA MUKHA gaya ng na experienced ko dito sa middle east minsan nasa sa harap ko nagdudura dahil alam nilang ako ay kristiyano. IKINAHIHIYA KO ANG MGA DAMASO/ESKRIBAS NG PILIPINAS na siyang nagpapahirap din sa mamayan at sa bayan!

  • johnlagrimas

    Ang daming nagmamarunong dito.  But people here who attacked the church only show their real colors. 

    I’m just wondering.  Jesus was attacked by all sects before, so many hated him…but He continued teaching the law of love and forgiveness.  It’s the same with the Catholic Church today, hated by so many people and sects – combining their force to put down and throw dirt to the church with so many accusations – but this Church we love, the Catholic Church remains in Jesus’ commandment of love and forgiveness. 

    What a pity to people here who only sow hatred and envy…they will reap the same…they are spitting their own face.

    Mabuhay ang Santo Papa – so humble and holy – the VICAR of CHRIST on earth!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

      If you have high respect and regards to Jesus Christ…. better not include his name in this ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS ……. SEX SCANDAL OF PRIEST/BISHOPS THAT COVER-UP BY VATICAN. Other ISSUE….. UNRESPECTFUL OF ROMAN-CATHOLIC CHURC IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE PHILIPPINES(domestic issue)

    • GKLer

      A True Vicar of Christ would not execute people.  But they allowed this under their watch for hundreds of years.

        

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Who executed the people??? Your wording is pointing something while your 3 fingers pointing at you. Satan always on the critical side.

      • GKLer

        The Roman Catholic Church has murdered 50 million++ people in its 2000 year history.

        Jose Rizal was one of those victims.

        This is what “infallible” Popes expressing their version of the “will of God” did for 600 years:

        1184AD Synod of Verona – Declared heretics be burned (Bible groups, Catholics who questioned the power of the pope).
        1199AD Pope Innocent III – Burned French Bibles, and did not permit the people to have more.
        1203-1808 50+ million people are estimated to have been murdered and tortured by the RC Inquisition for crimes including possession and reading the Bible in English, French, Spanish, German etc.
        1208-1226 The RC army was sent to kill Albigenesian Christians.
        1215AD Lateran Council declared heretics be burned and property taken.
        1229AD The RC Inquisition executed and confiscated the property of 32000 Al bigensian Christians in Toulouse France.
        1229AD Canon 14 – Church Council of Toulouse – We prohibit the laity to have OT and NT, and their translation of these.
        1234AD Pope Gregory IX ordered Bible burning.
        1234AD Council of Tarragona – No one may possess OT and NT, you must turn them over to the local bishop with 8 days, so that they may be burned.
        1408AD Synod of Oxford – Declared “heresy” to posses an unauthorized English Bible (a Bible not approved by the Roman Catholic Church).
        1559AD Pope Pius IV – Index of Trent 1559 – Index of Librorum Prohibitorum – Whoever reads or has a translation cannot be absolved from his sins until he turns in his Bible. All unauthorized Bible are forbidden.
        1525AD 6000 Tyndale NT burned.1600AD 10000 Bibles burned by order of Ferdinand II.
        1713AD Pope Clement II – Condemned reading the Bible.
        1844AD Pope Gregory – Declared those favoring Bible societies were guilty of the greatest crime against God and Church.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Nagkalat ka na naman ng maling information..

        Unawain mong mabuti ang kasaysayan kung sino ang nag condemn ni Jose Rizal.

        Was it the Catholic Church? or the Spanish Government..

        Don’t misled people. Nag copy/paste ka ng kulang ng information. The title you present doesn’t explain the whole truth.

        Jesus said, “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” Matthew 18:6

      • UrHONOR

        OO, unawain mong mabuti ang napapaloob na kaisipan at hindi ang mga salita lamang. Nung panahong yon ang simbahan at pamahalaang pangbayan ay IISA.  Sa katunayan nakakalamang ba si Damaso sa Gobernador na siyang may pinakamataas na katungkulan sa pamahalaan.  Pag gusto ng Gov at ayaw ni Damaso….overruled ang Gov.  

        I think it is you who are misinformed and, therefore, misleading not only others but yourself, mostly.  Discuss the issue as it is and don’t hide behind numbers that are irrelevant and immaterial in the topic.  Maraming ganyang mga self-appointed apologists ng simabahan na parang nakaka-alam ng higit pa sa mga tanod nito….ang bibilis pumitik ng mga numero na akala nila basta ganun na lang ang pag-interpret ng bible. The church does not encourage ordinary people to READ AND INTERPRET the bible ad libitum.  That is a function exclusively reserved for those who poured in years of studying the literature and its significance.

        In short, LITTLE KNOWLEDGE is DANGEROUS.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Ah, ganoon? Isa ka na palang INDIO sa 19th century noong kapanahunan ni Rizal dahil alam na alam mo na overruled ang mga postulations ng State Governors by the Church Clergy
        .
        Turuan mo si Ambeth Ocampo ha? Hindi ko pa nabasa sa mga articles nya sa PDI Opinion ang mga tinuturo mo.

        Indeed, little knowledge is dangerous. But NO KNOWLEDGE IS MISFORTUNATE.

      • GKLer

        Rene, don’t waste your time on the honorable maximus ignoramus atheist.
        He likes to about parallel universes as a counter argument to fulfilled scriptures.  He watches too much Star Trek and JLA.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        You watched too much Bubble Gang kaya nagagaya mo si Brad Pet ng “Ang Dating Doon”.

      • GKLer

        ho-hum… please answer my questions.  That’s the real issue here.

        You seem to have the time… But you are now “cherry picking”, and wasting your time on “useless” comments that accomplish nothing.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        A dose of your own medicine?

      • GKLer

        Rene, don’t waste your time on the honorable maximus ignoramus atheist

        Here read this.

        The Synod of Verona in 1184 AD was under Pope Lucius III.

        Anything it did or didn’t do, was under his watch and blessings and his apparent infallibility.

        Definition:
        Canon – laws and regulations made by or adopted by the Church.

        I quote:
        In 1184 the synod of Verona cursed all heretics and their shelterers, ORDERED relapsed persons to be handed over to the secular arm for CAPITAL punishment, confiscated their property, and clearly indicated that the new Inquisition would go far beyond the older Episcopal function. The synod did not hesitate to threaten easy-going bishops, urging them to more frequent and more searching visitations, standing over them as a superior power.

        – 1902encylopedia . com on InquisitionI quote:

        “In 1184, the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona LEGISLATED that BURNING was to be the official punishment for heresy” – wikipedia Death_by_burning

        I quote:
        “In 1184AD the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona DECLARED that heretics were to be BURNED” – Darryl Eberhart, Editor ETI & TTT, Handout#18, Nov 15 2010

        I quote:
        “The DECREE of Pope Lucius II Against Heretics.  In 1184 Lucius III issued a BULL against heretics, which would later establish many of the principles of jurisprudence adopted by the Inquisition.  Such as – anyone that shielded heretics would be liable to the same punishment, and that “relapsed” heretics should receive steeper sentences including confiscation of property.  To abolish the malignity of diverse heresies…….we declare all Catharists, Paterines, Poor of Lyons, Passignes, Josephists, Arnoldists to lie under perpetual anathema….. as for the layman found guilty of aforesaid crimes we decree him to be left to the sentence of the secular judge….”

        Timeline

        385AD Spanish heretic Priscillian executed by Emperor Maximus
        529AD Justinian code against heretics
        1022AD King of France condemns heretics to burning at stake.
        1028AD Mob in Milan burn heretics over objections of a local bishop
        1143AD Cathars are burned at the stake by the locals in Cologne
        1184AD Bull of Pope Lucius III against heretics, Waldo and Cathars
        1199AD Bull of Pope Inocent  III specifies lands of heretics be confiscated.
        1209AD Pope Inocent IIII launches crusades against Albigensian Christians, Cathars, Beziers
        1215AD 4th Lateran Council in Rome declares heretics be excommunicated and turned over to authorities for punishment.
        1217AD Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor makes canon laws against heresy, heretics be burnt.
        1227AD Gregory IX starts Papal Inquisition
        1229AD Council of Toulouse declares no lay people should possess scripture except for Psalms and Hours which must be in Latin.
        1252AD Bull of Innocent IV authorized torture.- refer to The History of the Christian Church, Robert Jones, p23I quote:
        The Synod of Verona (1184) IMPOSED on bishops the duty to search out the heretics in their dioceses and to hand them over to the secular power. Other synods, and the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) under Pope Innocent III, repeated and enforced this decree, especially the Synod of Toulouse (1229), which established inquisitors in every parish (one priest and two laymen). Everyone was bound to denounce heretics, the names of the witnesses were kept secret; after 1243, when Innocent IV sanctioned the laws of Emperor Frederick II and of Louis IX against heretics, torture was applied in trials; the guilty persons were delivered up to the civil authorities and actually BURNT at the stake.” 

        -refer to newadvent . org  Catholic Encylopedia.

      • GKLer

        Next, 

        It’s ironic you posted Matthew 18:6.

        Read the full context of Matthew 18….

        18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”2 He called a LITTLE CHILD to him, and placed the CHILD among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like LITTLE CHILDREN, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this CHILD is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such CHILD in my name welcomes me. 6 “If anyone causes one of these LITTLE ONES—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

        Q. Who do read about in the papers molesting little children – they are part of a religious organization??
        A.  ?????

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        You can start gouging your eye, cutting your hand and foot. According to Christ, a person who acknowledges himself (like you) free from sin is a LIAR.

      • GKLer

        I’m a sinner. 

        I didn’t write Matthew 18, yet you obviously didn’t know what you were posting.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        If you accept that you are a sinner then you would not have condemned others. You are not different with the Pharisees.

      • GKLer

        Now you are judging me.

        I do not condemn anyone here.  Do you even know what that means?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        This is the truth that you’ve messed up; “The Synod of Verona in 1184 turned over heretics to SECULAR ARM for punishment.”

        Who punished, The Catholic Church? or the Secular power of the state. They were turned-over dahil walang batas ang Catholic Church na mag condemn ng isang tao.

      • GKLer

        Excuse me, I indicated the source there… go to the source yourself.  The last source is a Catholic Encyclopedia.

        Q. Are you now saying that the RCC is innocent of all these crimes?

        Q. Is Pontius Pilate blameless for washing his hands of the execution of Jesus Christ????
        A. You answer???

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        You missed the point again. Pilate is responsible because his power derived from Caesar who has the sole power to condemn a person to death..

      • GKLer

        No you missed the whole point.  Pilate had the power to free Jesus or put him to death at that very moment – but he washed his hands of the whole thing.  Likewise, the RCC had the power to free people or turn them over for sentencing which was usually DEATH.  The RCC is responsible.  Even your Pope knows it.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        papal bull 1493 all indians shall give up their land and join the church.if not they are not to be considered human and be killed and their children shall be schooled or enslaved. 15 million indians died in mexico and the west indies by 1540 according to church records. in total 150 million indians died. spain was not the only plave people were burned it was all over europe including some of my family in germany. the last person burned was in mexico 1834 no spanish then

    • WilliamBarnes

      It is NOT THE SAME! Christ WAS NEVER ACCUSED of ever perpetrating ANY of the demonic crimes that the HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH has been responsible for during its existence, to warrant the hate it has garnered from the rest of the (past and present) world. Check it out for yourself. Look up the words Spanish Inquisition, The Holy Crusades and (probably since its existence) the uncountable but more recent sex scandals. If you still don’t get it after reading about it, you never will.

    • Cruxofthematter

      The Scriptures say about some people having a false humility but are ravening wolves.

  • johnlagrimas

    History and Bible met: Only the Catholic Church can trace the Apostolic connection from ST. PETER, as the first Pope [Early Christians] until the recent Pope today. 

    No matter how the unbelievers and other sects accuse the Church, this Church remains to be the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church that even the gates of hell cannot prevail against it – tested and proven in/by history.

    It’s like this: Snow may cover traces but nothing can bury the church.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

      Logically…. who others do you think????? Do you think Islam, Monk and religion will claim… siyempre roman Catholic Church for their favor. Im baptized catholic and will remain catholic….my stand church must respect the constitution of the Philippines and give justice to those minors who are victim of SEX SCANDAL not to COVER-UP BY VATICAN.

  • $37644997

    We are all entitled to condemn evil deeds where ever they may be,be it in a church,group ,political arena etc.
    But we cannot condemn it’s entirety.

    • Cruxofthematter

       No one condemns. The Word of God condemns. When the Scripture is quoted, it is not the person bringing it. For example, God says, as recorded in the Scriptures – “and they worshipped the creature rather than the Creator”, who has condemned?

      • geminimind

        I can and where are you coming from?

  • WilliamBarnes

    “Stormy Water” is a creative way for the Catholic representative of ‘God on Earth’ to descride the situation. Obviously he’s someone who is ‘praying’ for a successor who will breathe new life into the Church (while keeping the baying hounds away from the gates of St. Peters’ . BUT……An eight-year reign dogged by scandal and Vatican infighting, with the Pope smoothly and deftly ducking out the ‘back door’ by declaring he was too weak to keep up with the ‘modern world’ just doesn’t cut cake, does it? Or is the another MONSTRUOUS SCANDAL about to show over the horizon? Thank (God?) this didn’t happen during he reign of Pope John Paul II. The ‘old fashioned’ arrogant, barbaric and bloodthirsty Catholic Church of the Infamous Inquisition and Crusades seems to be getting a little ‘frail’ for these ‘go-go’ modern times with all these so very polemic and prickly ‘go-go’ accusations beating at their drawbridges and wafting over the moats. (Isn’t the church supposed to ‘protect’ children nstead of ‘preying’ off them? Maybe the best choice for A BRAND NEW, SPARKING, REDBULL Pope should be………… POPEYE! WoW! POPE POPEYE!!!!  After all, in the long run, as long as you’ve got that can of spinach………

    • riza888

      Percentage-wise, the problem is not limited to Catholic priests (and they don’t hold the highest percentage, either). It is just that they have made the most news, largely because of the illegal practice of covering up the crime and moving the priest to a different parish.
      This is a societal problem and not just a Catholic problem. The Church has done everything possible to make the Church the safest place for children under the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI. 

    • RomyLitz

      Or was he avoiding an incriminating cardinals report that he too is gay or sissy?

  • Boy Talahib

    Stormy weathers…. LOL. Yeah right….

    lie la lie, lie la la-lie lie la-lie, lie-la lie, lie la la-lie lie la lie la-la la lie lie. … la la la … lie la lie, lie la la-lie lie la-lie, lie-la lie, lie la la-lie lie la lie la-la la lie lie.

  • sowhatifimfilipino

    Hmm. Time will tell. I think a lot of people (especially haters of the Catholic church) can’t wait to see the downfall of the church. But the Roman Catholic church is the longest running organization in the history of the world. Though I’m no longer an active Catholic, I am still amazed at how the church has survived all these years, despite the many mistakes it has made. 

    I hope the “stormy waters” will soon calm down (by admitting and correcting the mistakes), and that the church will sail again. 

    God bless Pope Benedict XVI. 

    • Cruxofthematter

       The RC will of course survive till the prophecy in Revelation 14-18 is fulfilled. And does that mean it is correct? So lame thinking. Search and dig deeper.
      Why did Mr. Razinger leave? Political in-fighting within Vatican.

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Porket nagsabi sa Pablo na ginampanan niya ang role bilang Ama ng ikalat niya ang gospel ni Cristo, justification na raw tawagin siyang Father, imbento ng mga katoliko.

    Matthew 23:9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

    Napakalinaw na pinagbabawal ang pagtawag kanino man bilang spiritual father ayon sa Matthew, pero itong mga katoliko, nagimbento ng titulo at tinawag ang mga pari at pope na Father.

    1 Corinthians 4:15Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became yourfather through the gospel.

    Fact #1, hindi po nag UTOS si PABLO na tawagin siyang FATHER.
    Fact #2, porket naglalahad si PABLO na ginampanan niya role bilang AMA, does not mean             nag utos na siya na TAWAGIN siyang AMA.

  • Janch

    He looks frail.  He looks ill. So different from how he looked when he was voted pope years ago.  It can’t be just age.  He must really be unwell and unable to perform the duties of the papal office anymore.  

  • bugoybanggers

    Ipasa na ang ANTI-CATHOLICISM BILL para maging batas. Kung naging batas, lahat ng mga SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO Gibain, wasakin ang mga schools na kontrolado nila. Lahat ng mga nagsilbi sa pag kaKATOLIKO, ikulong at akusahang nagmolestia ng sanggol (Para mas mabigat). Firing Squad lahat ng mga Pare at Madre. Lahat ng rebolto pasagasaan sa PISON. Ano pa, pagandahan na lang ba ng SULAT at daldal. Yung mga kontra, larga na simulan na ninyo.. dinadaan lang kasi ninyo sa kaduwagang paraan. Tirahin na ninyo..patatagalin pa ba ang dami na ninyong sinabi?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The Bible Based Theory. Twisted Truth by Protestant Fundamentalists and Pastors

    Between what years were the first and last books of the NewTestament written? 

    The first book, Saint Matthews Gospel, was not written until about ten years after Our Lord’s Ascension. Saint John’s fourth gospel and Apocalypse or Book of Revelations were not written until about 100 A.D. 

    Comment: Imagine how the present-day privately interpreted ‘Bible-only’ theory would have appeared at a time when the books of the New Testament were not only unavailable, but most of them had not yet been written.

    • RomyLitz

      Imagine as you said is not FAITH as defined by Apostle Paul in The Book of Hebrews.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The Bible Based Theory. Twisted Truth by Protestant Fundamentalists and Pastors

    What became of the unwritten truths which Our Lord and the Apostles taught? 
    The Church had carefully conserved this ‘word of mouth’ teaching by historical records called Tradition. Even the Protestant Bible teaches that many Christian truths were to be handed down by word of mouth.
        2 Thessalonians 2-14: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye havebeen taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
       2 Timothy 2-2: And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same committhou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
     
    Comment: Hence not only Scripture but other sources of information must be consulted to get the whole of Christ’s teaching. Religions founded on ‘the Bible only are therefore necessarily incomplete.

    • RomyLitz

      What? The methods you mentioned means you are so ignorant about the possibility that truths can be easily convoluted or perverted. Wake up Mr. Infallibility Defender.

    • Cruxofthematter

       So if the Scriptures say you must not worship the creature but the Creator and then your tradition says it is not so, whom will you follow?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The Bible Based Theory. Twisted Truth by Protestant Fundamentalists and Pastors 

    Who finally did decide which books were inspired and therefore belonged to the New Testament? Shortly before 400 A.D. a General Council of the Catholic Church, using the infallible authority which Christ had given to His own Divine institution, finally decided which books really belonged to the New Testament and which did not.
     
    Either the Church at this General Council was infallible, or it was not.
     
    If the Church was infallible then, why is it not infallible now? If the Church was not infallible then, in that case the New Testament is not worth the paper it is written on, because internal evidences ofauthenticity and inspiration are inconclusive and because the work of this Council cannot now be rechecked; this is obvious from reply to next question.
     
    Comment: In view of these historical facts, it is difficult to see how non-Catholics can deny that it was from the (Roman) Catholic Church that they received the New Testament.

    • Pablo316

      Roman Catholics in their desire to pull the carpet off the
      feet of some Bible-believing Christians would make a preposterous claim that it
      is the RCC who owns and made the Bible and for this reason only RCC have the
      right to dispense or to interpret the Bible’s teachings to the exclusion of the
      others.

      To the uninformed this may be enough to silence them or make
      them lose that grip on the Bible but not so with those who are historically
      aware of the facts and are not blinded by religious biases.

      In tackling this we should refer to one of RCC’s favorite
      church historian (favorite in a way he praised emperor Constantine I of the
      pagan Roman Empire, the patronizer of RCC to the high heavens), in fact he is
      dubbed as the Father of Christian History; this man is Eusebius of Caesarea who
      lived circa 264 AD. Now Eusebius in the many books he made regarding the
      history of Christianity (especially his book Ecclesiastical History), he
      started right from the very beginning (in fact he started from the prophecy of
      the Old Testament) where he referred to Christian historians who are much
      earlier than him, for example Origen (ca.184 AD) who in turn referred to much
      earlier Christian historians than him (whose data corroborates with each other)
      such as Irenaeus (ca. 130 AD), Tertullian (ca. 160 AD), Clement of Alexandria
      (ca. 150 AD), Justin Martyr (ca. 100 AD), Clement of Rome (ca. 92 AD) and Philo
      (ca. 20 BC for the books in the Old Testament). Now Eusebius tells us that
      those earlier historians did compiled and acknowledged books that were already
      in circulation even during the lifetime of the apostles themselves – in the
      latter part of their lives. In fact Origen even goes as far as to make
      translations of the books in the Bible in several languages side by side.

      Further, a recently discovered document in 1740 called the
      Muratorian fragment which was dated to 170 AD already contains the list of books
      found in the New Testament, year 170 AD is more than 150 years before the
      formation of RCC in 325 AD and their storied canonization of the Bible.

      But then why should we even rely on the historians that came
      immediately after the apostles when the apostles themselves testifies that
      those books in the Bible (specifically those in the New Testament) were already
      widely read and circulated during their lifetime.

      Here the Apostle Paul speaking:

      “After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also
      read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea.” (Colossians
      4:16)

      And also the apostle Peter himself commenting here after he
      read all of Apostle Paul’s writings:

      “He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them
      of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand,
      which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to
      their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

      So what the RCC guys back in the year 300’s only did is to
      finally decide that those books they had – to the exclusions of some apocryphal
      books (which some apocryphal books they set aside by the way is only apocryphal
      as to the authenticity of their authorship but not necessarily in their
      contents while some are clearly demonic in nature) is to say that THIS IS IT,
      THIS IS REALLY IS IT!

      THEREFORE this RCC claim is nothing short of a wanton
      academic dishonesty as well as a religious fanatics’ hype talk.

      • Crazy_horse101010

        the only thing the church did was remove 22 books of the bible along with gods most important commandment the second..four of the books were james jesus brother. a book of peter a book of thomas and a book of the other mary. i would love to see what was in them books that they removed. also the dead sea scrolls contained some references

      • Crazy_horse101010

        if they owned the bible why would they kill anyone who owned or read the bible and kill anyone who translated it. good article

      • RomyLitz

        Brother, your comments will even scare the Pope and the 115 Cardinals..I agree with you 100%.

    • RomyLitz

      Hey, you don’t have any idea the motive or hidden agenda behind the Great Inquisition? Many Christians and Bible translators were burned alive because the bigot Catholics at that time were very scared that the truth that God wants to be preached to all nations will be carried out massively. Galileo was one of the victims of church hypocrisy and presumptuous infallibility!!

    • Cruxofthematter

       If the Pope is infallible and if Peter was the first Pope, why was Peter scolded by Paul on a dogmatic issue when he stood up from a meal with the Gentiles when James and his Jewish company arrived?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    The Bible Based Theory. Twisted Truth by Protestant Fundamentalists and Pastors

    Since Luther, what consequences have followed from the use of the ‘Bible-only’ theory and its personal interpretation? Just what Saint Paul foretold when he said: ‘For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.’ 2 Timothy 4-3 (Protestant edition). According to the World Almanac for 1953 there are in the United States 20 different organizations of Methodists, 22 kinds of Baptists, 10 branches of Presbyterians, 13 organizations of Mennonites, 18 of Lutherans and hundreds of other denominations.

    Comment: The ‘Bible-only’ theory may indeed cater to the self-exaltation of the individual, but it certainly does not conduce to the acquisition of Divine truth.

    • Cruxofthematter

       Ignorance. The churches are all local and that is all written over the Scripture. Although Matthew 18 mentions of a Church, this refers to the entire invisible body of believers – the family of God, but each local congregation was to have its own set of modes (see all Epistles and the churches in Revelation). Of this the RC is at a very grandiose fault. It instituted itself as a Universal Church which is not biblical. Hence when the first Christians (they were indeed good Christians) decided to mix with Rome’s paganism, it became assimilated into the power of Rome, and the Roman Empire – thus this Roman Catholic church. This is all have been in prediction in Daniel, Ezekiel and prophesied in Revelation (no details will be given here – the reader is admonished to research). Before AD300 all churches were independent (church in Rome, church Antioch, Macedonia), there was even a church (at least) meeting at a house. RC WAS ABSENT because Rome was pagan and the Christians were persecuted. That itself should tell the reader that the RC is the first Christian organization (I refuse to call it church, that is a big lie). When paganism and Christianity married in AD300, the RC was declared the official religion of Rome replacing pure paganism, but many pagans were placated because they can still worship their statues and sacred places as some of the early Christians compromised. The rise of the RC gave the concept of the Pope, a position that is not only anti-biblical but humanistically pagan. Many of the Emperor’s title now recide with the Pope. The result is the elevation of a person over the laity, a concept that is completely wrong inside out. The RC reeks with so much errors there is no way it can reverse itself. The only hope remains in the people within it, if they are objective enough to study well and good. If not, so be it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Are You A Co-Worker Of A Church Perverting The True Gospel Of Jesus Christ?
      
    The Bible says if any person or even an angel preach any other gospel or perverts Christ’s gospel, let him be cursed, Gal. 1:6-9. Are churches, professed Christians, and all of Christianity under the curse and judgment of Jesus Christ by preaching another gospel or perverting the gospel?
      
    Today’s  teachers of Christianity have perverted the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and His message of salvation. Followers of confessed Christianity have twisted, corrupted and mis-directed God’s life-saving message  of salvation, which is the wonderful Good News about the true, revealed Savior, Jesus Christ sent to this earth from God and His kingdom. 

    • RomyLitz

      Yes, not only co- workers of Christ but we are the Ambassadors from heaven.

    • jpeter262

       
      The True Gospel is the Gospel that Jesus Christ himself preached; That is the coming Kingdom of God. For that purpose He was sent.

      – – – “” Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:14-15)
       
      – – – “”but He said to them, “I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent.” (Luke 4:43)

      Jesus Christ teach us how to pray – – “”Your Kingdom come””- – not came.

      Jesus Christ during his three and a half years of ministry is not for every one to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God:
       
      But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable.  And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,  (Mark 4:10-12)

      LET US NOT BE DECEIVED

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TJAA3WKCKQZWSJX2ATNY4K65GU Titan

    The Church is not perfect.  Otherwise, everything and everyone had already been assumed to heaven.  But the Church remains to this date in spite of her imperfections, and I can only think that it’s because of God’s love and will — and we have to reflect on this: if the current Church is erroneous, or blasphemous, then why would he have allowed it to continue?  He could easily have destroyed it like Sodom and Gomorrah, or drowned the earth again with 40 days of torrential rains.  One is led to answer, that the Church, although imperfect, still has at least 10 good God-abiding and God-loving members.  And I refuse to believe that there are not more than 10 in more than 1 billion Catholics worldwide, because there are.

    As believers, we have to understand that one’s truths may not necessarily be others’ truth, nor can we expect everyone to accept it as such.  What we can do though is to respect those who do not believe what you believe in.  With respect and mutual understanding, you gain friendship with your brethren — isn’t that what God would want you to do instead of shoving concepts down your brethren’s throat?  The problem with the interpretation of the Bible itself is that everyone claims to be an expert, nay, THE sole expert at it when there are different perspectives on how to interpret the message — most people take it literally, but how about exegesis or eisegesis or what about other perspectives?  Unless you were born at the time that the Bible was written, and you can explain the exact context and under what circumstances it was written — everything in ABSOLUTE certainty, only then can you claim that you and you alone or your religion’s interpretation is the ABSOLUTE truth.  Any reading material is subject to interpretation based on our biases, experiences, knowledge and upbringing; the Bible is not an exception when you read it — let 10 people read it and you will arrive at 10 different interpretations.

    I think that God loves and appreciates all his children, no matter what name they call Him, whether be it Abba, Yahweh, or Allah.  I think He would say “look at the numerous and different ways my children are celebrating my existence”. If this is the case, who are we to say whether God loves anyone better or less simply because he belongs to a particular religion or organization different from ours or yours?  To do so would be like claiming the best seat in the house reserved for someone special — we are not to decide until the owner of the house offers it to you.  If only everyone would learn how to tolerate religious differences, this world would be a better place to be.

    • Pablo316

      Your reasoning as to the interpretation of the Bible has
      been an overblown cliché which mostly comes from individuals (not necessarily
      you included) who never had or never did read and understood the Bible in its
      fullness yet have the guts to blurt out such disparaging remarks about the
      capacity of a searching individual to understand the written words of God; to
      the point that most people are made to believe that the Bible is just a
      compilation of encrypted hard to decipher books and that only a few ‘enlightened’
      ones can unlock its meanings.

      If people will only try they will find out that it is no
      other than the prophecies (almost one-third of the whole Bible) that will prove
      to be beyond one’s ordinary mental capability to unlock (as the Bible itself
      inherently admits), yet the rest are but plain and clear instructions of wisdom
      from God telling His creation how they should live and how they will be put
      right before God.

      For the Bible was not written for theologians, scholars,
      pastors, ministers, etc. but to each ordinary believer of God, as it is
      written:

      “All Scripture is God-breathed and is
      useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so
      that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2
      Timothy 3:17)

      And furthermore the Bible has the following written as
      proofs that it is not a book beyond the grasp of any ordinary believing person:

      “Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for
      you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who
      will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”
       Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the
      sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very
      near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.”
      (Deuteronomy 30:11-14)

      “For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand.
      “ (2 Corinthians 1:13)

      I therefore encourage God-fearing and God-seeking people
      should read study and try to live the pure and unadulterated teachings of the
      Bible. God bless!

      • RomyLitz

        Agree with you in spirit and in truth. Amen

      • Pablo316

        Thanks bro, to God be the glory!

      • jpeter262

        You have stated in your previous comments:
         
        – – – “”it is that man should set aside a day – preferably if possible the day called Sabbath or Saturday but any day will do””.
         
        God rested on the seventh day Sabbath during creation. In the wilderness Israelites observed the same day Sabbath. God gave the Ten commandments that remind us to observed the Sabbath. Jesus Christ observed the Sabbath Law. The Apostles, disciples, and all Christian as recorded in the Bible all observed the seventh day Sabbath. The last book of the Bible was completed at least 100 yrs after Christ resurrection. Not any one observe any other day but the seventh day.
         
        The Catholic following the 325 AD Council of Necea initiated by pagan Emperor Constantine to observe Sunday as Lord’s day. The other so called “Christians” of today follow Sunday though they try to change some of the Catholic doctrines.
         
        God said seventh day Sabbath. Catholic said Sunday. You said any day will do
         
        Are we not sinning if we don’t follow God and rather follow man – not for blind faith and not for legalism reason?
         
        God said  – – “”we have to live by every word of God – The Bible””

      • Pablo316

        One should first understand what is the purpose of the Law
        or why it was given as explained in the Bible, and what does it mean when the
        Bible says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the end of the Law, the Lord of the
        Sabbath and that grace and truth only comes from Him alone.

        Take note very well that the Promise of justification by
        faith thru Him who was prophesied to come (the Lord Jesus Christ who came
        already) was given first before the Law was given at Mount Sinai, so that the
        Law cannot override the promise for this promise of God which He covenanted
        with Abraham does not depend on the Law, which is but a caretaker until He who
        is prophesied to come should arrive (see Galatians chapters 3-4). Also the
        Sabbath has a much deeper meaning that space and time will not allow us to
        discuss here for it was already being practiced even before the Law nor the Ten
        Commandments were given.

        Thus, if it were not so the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and
        the 12 apostles would have been guilty of committing sin by breaking the Law
        (in this instance the observance of the Sabbath) and it will even appear that
        the Lord Jesus is even condoning the committing of such when He defended the 12
        apostles for breaking the Sabbath and even quoting the Old Testament that even
        the priests in the Temple broke the Sabbath but they did not commit any sin
        (see Matthew chapter 12).

        Nevertheless the Bible also lenient and accommodates the
        different level of faith by each Christian believer so that the following
        verses are written which will be to each believer’s advantage if each will keep
        them in mind:

        “Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over
        disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but
        another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything
        must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat
        everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are
        you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or
        fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

        One person considers one day more sacred than another;
        another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in
        their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever
        eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever
        abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for
        ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live
        for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die,
        we belong to the Lord.” (Romans 14:1-8)

        You should realize also that believers in the Lord Jesus
        Christ have already been freed from the bondage of the Law and is now living
        under the Law of the Spirit (see Romans chapters 7-8) but this does not mean
        that they will now be doing nor free to do those things that are against the
        written Law. No! For more or far superior than the written Law is the Law of
        the Spirit so that in this age of grace and truth under the Lord Jesus Christ,
        it is the Lord Himself who now defines what is sin, as it is written:

        “When he (the Holy Spirit) comes, he will
        prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
        about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can
        see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince
        of this world now stands condemned.” (John 16:8-11)

    • RomyLitz

      Ten different interpretation from ten people means they are not in one spirit with The Lord ,

      • GKLer

        When God says “Don’t do this….” or “Do this…”
        There is only ONE interpretation – God’s.

  • RomyLitz

    Serving the Almighty God is for life and until death like the separation of the husband and wife. It is always for better or for worse. The disciples were true to their faith until death when tortured . The Pope resignation only means he has zero knowledge of the word of God, the Bible.

    • panhase

        From your words can we guess that you do have firsthand knowledge of the word of God?
      And my dear you stated it perfectly when you said “like the separation of husband and wife”. Could not have said it better myself. Are you supporting divorce now?

      • UrHONOR

        CORRECT.  All there is to that book is hearsay and second-hand information and stories handed down orally from generation to generation until it was out down in writing by those who wanted the info kept for posterity.

        Ang siste, dahil gusto ng mga naunang mga damasing na kontrolin ang kapwa nila, hinaluan na nila ng dios ang mga kwento.  Later on, tulad ng maliit na kwento na pinalalaki, naging salita na ng dios ang mga kwento.  Napakahinang klase naman ng dios yang gumagamit pa ng ahente kung gusto niyang kausapin ang kahit na sinupaman kailanpaman saanpaman.  Almighty, Omniscient, Omnipresent, tapos padadaanin sa ahente ang sasabihin nya?  Anong klaseng kaisipan yan kundi ang pagpapalawak ng kapangyarihan ng mga nagpapanggap na “ahente’ o “representante” ng dios (tapos sila mismo ang bumababoy sa mga tinuturo nila…pedophilia, fraud, merchandising, stealing, coveting, etc)?  At, dahil nahasa ng husto ang tinatag ng brainwashing techiniques ng mga TNL, over the years, milyon-milyon ang naging walking zombies nilang mga kabig na sa isang iglap, magpapalabas ng kung ano-anong numero sa pagpapatunay ng mga kwento nilang galing sa diyos kuno.

        Tanong mo kung alam nila papaano nagmula ang Ot at NT, at ang isasagot sa iyo ay yong de-kahong , “it’s the word of god…written by men, inspired by god”.  Di ba laking kabulastugan nyan?  Paano nalamang INSPIRED by god.  At sino o ano yong god na tinutukoy nila.  Pa-iikutin na naman ang usapan at magpapalabas ng,”stupid, idiot, atheist, and the like” pag hindi na kayang magpaliwanag.  Sad, but true.  You can take a horse to the water, but you can’t force it to drink.

      • GKLer

        Ignorant comment.  As if he has read the book. Oral tradition will not explain prophecies coming true.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

    To: Pablo316

    Galing mag copy/paste ng bible chapters and verses that are works of the Catholic Church.

    The Holy Bible was divided into chapters by Cardinal Hugo de Sanctu Caro in the middle of 13th century. (General introduction to sacred scriptures. p. 64 by Dixon)

    Bible Chapters was divided into verses in 1528 by Dominican monk Sanctes Pagninus in 1528. p. 66

    Di b sabi mo “everything Catholic is ADULTERATED”?

    Di ba sabi mo marami kang mga references; codex, fragments, original hebrew and greek versions na ipinagpatunay mo na hindi ang Catholic Church ang source ng mga aklat ng
    bibliya? At bakit lahat ng mga references mo ay galing sa Holy Bible na Catholic church ang nag proclaim ng Canon (list) of Books that comprises the Holy Bible?

    Try mo daw mag present ng reference na galing sa  mga ipinagyabang mong mga codex, fragments, original versions in Greek and Hebrew. Ma intindihan natin yan dahil sabi mo may
    interlinear translations ang mga hawak mong kopya.

    Let us see PabloSwertres.

    • GKLer

      Whaa? You haven’t answered me yet….and now you using the same reasoning on the next person…..

      Do not claim the Bible is from the Catholic Church who you say did work on it in the 13th Century,

      Q.  Which Biblical book did the Roman Catholic Church write/author????
      A.  Your answer????

      Q. Did the Catholic Church write/author the Dead Sea Scrolls which contain almost every book of the “old” testament which are dated 400 years before Christ arrived?
      A. Your answer???

      FACTS:

      Last book (completed before 100AD):
      Revelation 1  says this is from GOD to Jesus to John.

      First book (completed over 3500 years ago)
      Exodus 17:  says GOD ordered Moses to WRITE….

      RCC is claiming something not theirs = Intellectual Property theft
      Translating something from Hebrew-Aramaic to Latin or English and claiming its theirs is also IP theft!! Adding numbers, compiling scriptures which are already pre-existing, then claiming it as theirs is also IP theft!!!

      RCC = thief.

      !!!! I predict that if Rene will reply, He will ridicule me (ad hominem fallacy), perhaps call me judgmental, laugh, and not answer my questions here !!!! But I do hope I am wrong…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        The problem with you is you are so slow in reading comprehension. The Catholic Church never claim authorship on any of the books in the Holy Bible. The RCC only proclaim the Canon (list) of books that comprises the Holy Bible.  Tsk, tsk, bagsak ang IQ mo..

      • GKLer

        I quote Rene:  “The Holy Bible is the book that I mentioned that is the product of the Catholic Church.”

        I quote Rene: “Galing mag copy/paste ng bible chapters and verses that are works of the Catholic Church.”

        Since we copy-paste (book+chapter+verse+words) all the time.  You very well implied to all of us book+chapter+verse+words are the WORKS and PRODUCT of the Catholic Church.  

        Are you rescinding your earlier statements?

    • Cruxofthematter

       Ignorance. The OT was written by Jews. The NT also written by Jews, no RC’s The NT was completed in about AD100 while the RC came in AD300.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/XQH67BYRASBMOW6JEZ6MSMVCKA Thorvik

        then who named the Bible “Ta Biblia (The Book)”? was he a Catholic?

      • GKLer

        Q. What’s in the Bible??
        A.  Scriptures, The Testaments, Commandments/Laws, Prophecies, History, Poetry written by Jews as commanded by God.

        We also call it Bible…so Catholics will know what we are talking about.

  • Cruxofthematter

     I know how you rationalize idolatry. “We are not worshipping, just venerating.” How convenient. So when you venerate your great grandpapers, do you ask them to save you and forgive you? How come you do the same to other characters whom Jesus called “woman” and who even herself called God her Savior?

  • Cruxofthematter

     He must have not lost the vote of confidence by the College of Cardinals who are very influential.

  • http://www.facebook.com/beng.atibo.3 Beng Atibo

    What’s the real reason for the Pope’s resignation??? 

    • geminimind

      One reason why he quit is because of too much embarassment from pedophile priest,rapist,anomally from the vatican and the last, he don’t have the courage and strenght to fix all the problems with-in their ranks.

  • geminimind

    The Bible is not the only book in this universe to prove that there is God and it’s Holy purpose, and Jesus is not alone either as the begotten son of God.
    The begotten son of God that they talked about is the seed in all of us when we were all created in his own image.
    He imparted himself over a billion times to every living thing in this planet specially human beings that are the highest of all his creations.
    We are a part of HIM and HIMSELF is a part of us.
    The seed that I mentioned about  is in the secret chamber of the heart on each one of us (the begotten son of God)and the potential to become like CHRIST or GOD as He is.

    • GKLer

      I don’t know where you got your “teachings”. 

      They do not agree with what God teaches.  This is the danger of referring to books not from God.

      A.  Bible is from God.  Direct source is better than anything else Man has to offer.  The Bible has 2500 prophecies, 2000 have come true.  If you want to know what God is going to do next, you will find it in the Bible.

      2 Timothy 3:16-17, 
      16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching,rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be —THOROUGHLY EQUIPPED— for every good work.

      Deuteronomy 18:22
      22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

      B.  Salvation and eternal life is from God not Man.

      John 17:33
      Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

      Luke 3:6
      And all mankind will see God’s salvation.

      C.  Man is NOT infallible.

      Psalm 146 (NASB)
      3 DO NOT trust in princes,In mortal man, in whom there is NO SALVATION 4His spirit departs, he returns to the earth;In that very day his thoughts perish.

      Romans 3
      23 for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

      D.  Jesus is the ONE and ONLY Son

      John 3:16
      “For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE and ONLY SON, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

      Colossians 1:15
      15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

      • geminimind

        All of them that I have said are of God’s.
        There are a lot of missing links of the Bible itself  and the things my style of  explaining it are parts of it.

      • GKLer

        You can read what the Bible says yourself.  
        Start with 2 Timothy 3:16-17

      • geminimind

        we are all sons and daughters of God

    • UrHONOR

      NO BOOK in the world can PROVE the EXISTENCE of GOD.

      NO BOOK is the WORD of GOD.

      • jin2012

        Proof of God is in prophecies which He ordered the Prophets to write, they are now written down in a book.

      • UrHONOR

        SABI ko nga ba…..OK, first define what you mean by god.  Then prove its  existence by prophecies.  Don’t beat about the bush and run in circles.  Hindi yong “HINUHULI kita dahil pulis ako”.  “Patunayan mong pulis ka!” “Madali yan…pulis ako kasi sabi ng boss ko pulis ako”.

      • jin2012

        To the atheist.

        Proof of God is in prophecy.

        If the Bible were myth, why then are there so many archaeological artifacts from the historical accounts found in the Bible? (ref: en . wikipedia . org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bible)

        There are 2000 prophecies out of 2500 that have already been fulfilled. Some of them in the last 100 years.

        The Book of Isaiah was written in ~700BC. The oldest copy mankind has is dated ~300-120BC thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

        Isaiah:9:6-7 [born as a human male]
        7:14 [born of a virgin]
        37:31 [from the House of Judah]
        11:1-10 [from the root and stump of Jesse]
        16:5 [from the House of David]
        9:1-2 [from Nazareth of Galilee]
        49:6, 42:1-6 [mission included the Gentiles]
        29:18, 35:5-6 [ministry included miraculous healings]
        61:1-2 [ministry would deliver spiritual captives]
        53:3 [despised and rejected by men]
        49:7 [hated without cause]

        So what are the mathematical odds of ALL that (and more) coming true at the right time and place in ONE man?

        In fact YOU just helped make the prophecies in Isaiah 53:3 and 49:7 come true.

        Next the atheist says, even Christ never existed.

        The Sanhedrin executed Jesus. He is recorded in the Talmud. Sanhedrin 43a – “Eve of Passover, Yeshua was hanged etc..” The Talmud also refers to 5 disciples of Christ, it states how old he was when he died, and how the Romans got involved.

        So the question to the atheist is:
        Why would the Sanhedrin document a “mythical” enemy? That’s like saying the CIA is documenting mythical enemies rather than real terrorists.

        Thallus wrote about the execution of Jesus, his writings date up to 52AD.

        Flavius Josephus, a member of the Pharisees and court historian to Emperor Vespasian made references to Pilate, Caiphas, Jesus, James – brother of Jesus. So why would he risk the ire of the emperor in reporting several mythical figures?

        Artifacts (physical evidence):

        There is Pilate’s Stone, the Ossuary of James that states: James – Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus. There is also the Ossuary of Caiphas, where his body was found including coins dated to 42AD.

        Tacitus wrote about the burning of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD.

        Jesus prophesied about the destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24.

        Myths do not prophecy.

        Matthew was written in 41AD. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD by Rome.

        Reader’s Digest, Encyclopedia Brittanica lists Christ as FACT. Even Einstein believed Jesus Christ existed.

        Finally, a question to the atheist:

        Name me just one movement in history that has 100,000 followers and has survived for at least 300 years without a real leader.

      • GKLer

        Wait for the parallel universes counter argument from the atheist who watches too much Star Trek and Justice League. 

      • GKLer

        Folks…wait for it…he might reply here with another lame come back…but totally disregard the evidence provided to him by jin2012 and myself….

      • GKLer

        OK.. let’s make this simpler for the simple minded atheist.

        Bible says God ordered Moses to write the first books.  Let’s see if there is PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to validate the first book….

        Evidence of a GLOBAL FLOOD of biblical proportions: Over 300 cultures have stories of a massive flood wiping out all life on earth. Science needs to disprove them all before making a claim.

        1. Therefore: we need to look for layers of mud/sand/deposits, evidence for massive and rapid erosion by water, significant salinity changes, layers of many dead (fossil/bones/remains) creatures, plants, trees etc…Here:
        2. In the Gulf of Mexico, sample cores are numerous (due to oil and oceanographic exploration). Each inch of core repesent 1000 years. At some point in the core sample, it will show a MASSIVE change in salinity by 10%!!! (due to fresh water rushing into the gulf).
        3. In the Black Sea, core samples taken will show that it used to be smaller. You will find a uniform sedimentary layer that could only have been deposited from a flood. In that layer you will find saltwater marine fossils. The Black Sea used to be a fresh water lake, today it is brackish. A uniform layer could not have been formed over a long period of time, it can only be formed with a massive pouring in of water (think 3,000,000 gallons per second).
        4. In the Grand Canyon which has 2 billion years of geological history would cover the flood in its layers. It is 800m above sea level!! You will find marine fossils in the Redwall layer (lime sand) deposited in a very rapid devastating manner.
        5. You will find evidence of massive kills across the globe: in Zucheng, China, 7000+ fossils were found in a 300 meter pit. In Nova Scotia you will find a forrest of fossilized upright trees 20-40ft long with missing roots at the 2500ft strata. In Dijon-Lyons there is a cave of bones of lots of animals – bears, lions, deer, horses, wolves, ox. There is no evidence they were “hunted” or “eaten”. Explanation: rising waters caused them to group together, and die together. Globally you will not find fossils in the right strata order, somehow the strata has been altered by several meters.
        6. The Swiss Alps, Sierras, Himalayas – highest peaks on earth – we find fossilized shellfish and marine fossils.
        7. Rock layers (deposited sediment) when traced, cover entire continents and vast areas. The Redwall and Tapeats layer of the Grand Canyon is traceable across North America to Europe. The Coconino layer has about 10000cu-miles of sand deposited by water rapidly, rather than slowly – this sand is traceable from southern USA to Canada. Chalk layer of UK is traceable up to the Middle East.
        8. There is evidence of rapid massive erosion between rock layers, and evidence of NO erosion at all. So what could cause rapid massive erosion? – Lots of water.
        9. Rock layers do not bend due to hardness and brittleness, but in the Grand Canyon, you will find evidence it was wet and caused the Tapeats layer to bend, fold before it dried. Think wave-like patterns – you can look at the pictures somewhere.
        10. Evolutionists claim slow and gradual sand deposits. Geologists (real scientists) will not agree.
        11. Mt. St. Helens – they found a 1/10 version of the Grand Canyon 200 ft deep showing the similar evidence of rapid and massive erosion from WATER.
        12. Since I love whales, that’s right, they found an 80ft whale fossil, vertically positioned!! in a diatomaceous rock quarry (ref: Dicalite Grefco). Fossilize whales have also been found 500 ft above sea level in Canada, USA.
        13. Next, ask why are there mass kills of FROZEN IN ICE(and in very good condition) mammoths in large numbers in Russia, Alaska, Europe. If someone was looking for a reason why the “ice age” happened, the flood provides two things to fit: snow and lower temperatures from all the water. I mean where else could you possibly get enough water to make sheets of ice 2 miles thick??
        14. Evidence is all around the earth, some people just don’t look for it or turn a blind eye to it. Instead, they make a lazy statement without looking at evidence on hand: “bible daw is fantasy”.
        15. The pseudo sciences: Alchemy, Astrology, Evolution.

      • UrHONOR

        Go dhuck a duck….you’ve got a checkered past in this forum and I don’t throw pearls to swine, CHARLATAN.

      • GKLer

        There you are folks… solid proof that this atheist decided to ignore the evidence provided by resorting to ad hominems/fallacies…  LOL.

        Who I am is irrelevant to the issue!

        The issue is the evidence provided which YOU asked for! 

        STICK TO THE ISSUE or go back to the slime pits where you claim you evolved from with your tail between your legs.

        SHOW us you have time for more lame-come-backs….but no time to REPLY TO THE EVIDENCE presented.

      • GKLer

        Folks…wait for it…he might reply here with another lame come back…but totally disregard the evidence provided to him by jin2012 and myself….

      • geminimind

        “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the WORD was God”and so forth and so on.
        Doubt and fear are your best enemy with-in you,I dare say you conquer them and then you will experience more of thy God that you cannot see but you can feel him,hear him ,walk with him but first thing you must BELIEVE him.

      • UrHONOR

        SO, where is the proof?  

        What DOUBT and FEAR are you preaching to me?  What authority do you have to make statements like that to someone you have no idea about?  You are TOO PRESUMPTUOUS.  Naka-tangan ka lang ng BIBLE na duda ako kung napag-aralan mo, e, parang authority ka na kung mangusap.  Hindi yan nalalayo sa mga nakatangan ng screw driver, tapos ang tingin sa sarili ay mekaniko na.

        I have my own intelligence to discern what is and what is not….and I am very capable of winnowing the grain from the chaff, if you understand that.

        In your case, it seems you base everything on something you can not know its authenticity and provenance.

        PROVE the EXISTENCE of  GOD with your own explanation and not by quotations that you hardly understand.  Otherwise, you would not have had quoted it to prove the existence of god.  And while we’re on the subject, you might as well define what you mean by god.  

        And all that walking and talking with god is in your head…..pagpqapakwela, ka-echosan…any one can claim talking with a god but he can not prove it.  You can find lots of them either Mandaluyong or managing churches.

        However, if you’d come back with quotes again, forget it.  Its just like saying the bible is the word of god because the bible says it.  Garbage of an argument.

      • jin2012

        Reply to this right below.

      • GKLer

        Your arguments are BS.

        Where is your proof that science has proven God doesn’t exist?? Has it been validated by the scientific community and peer reviewed and published in scientific journals?

        If you can’t provide it, that’s proof for you that ALL your comments are BS.

        Reply to this also below….

      • UrHONOR

        HETO parang tulong ko na sa may malasadong pag-iisip:

        You prove what is, not what is not.

        You prove that some one is a liar.  One doesn’t have to prove or show that he’s NOT a  liar.  You prove one is a thief.  One does not have prove he’s a thief. Capiche?   Simple.

        How about proving you’re not a nut, like it?

        Only shows how sophomoric you are.  There is a term for that–TH.

      • GKLer

        You are just embarrassing yourself here.

        What I just posted is exactly what Science is all about. Science can only make a conclusion if proof is found.  You, like every other atheist, like to make conclusion that “there is no God” without solid evidence indicating “there is no God”. Basically, atheist = pseudo scientists.

        Since you obviously didn’t know that, plus you blabbed about parallel universes, it shows us you have no idea what you really are talking about. Hence, proof that your comments = BS.

        The Scientific Methodology is taught even in grade 3.  Do yourself a favor and study it before you comment further and embarrass yourself.

        Notice I didn’t use any ad hominems against you.  LOL.

      • UrHONOR

        YOU are perfectly correct…I am embarrassing myself…and I must confessed I have thoroughly made a fool of myself BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A BIBLE TOTING BABE from the land of OZ.

        And that explains everything of the confusion…out of the mouth of a babe comes the truth….YOU are in GRADE 3!  Boy oh boy….come back when you finish your elementary studies and maybe…just maybe you’d have a better understanding of the rudiments of intelligent thinking.

        Now that is really and truly EMBARRASSING.  Shame on me!  WHEW!!!

      • GKLer

        You have time to write lame come backs and ad hominems but completely ignored the evidence from me and jin2012.

        You are giving atheists a bad name. Please continue and show us your 5000 comments on this forum is BS.

      • $37644997

        The proof is me ,just wait and see…

      • GKLer

        geminimind….

        Don’t waste your time with the BS from the atheist.  He talks about unproven parallel universes from Star Trek and Justice League as a counter argument for mathematics and biblical prophecies.  He watches too much sci-fiction.

      • $37644997

        TRUE

  • GKLer

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  • UrHONOR

    KUNG hanggang dyan lang sa ATHEISTS ang kaya ninyong intindihin, NAKAKAHIYA kayo sa inyong kaisipan…..nagpapanggap kayong KRISTIYANO, wala namang kayong alam sabihin kundi yang mga kapitolyo’y bersikulo ninyong gatong-gato na sa ka-uulit na wala namang katuturan.  Kahit na sinong marunong tumipa ay madaling magpalutang ng mga numero sa kagandahang loob ng Google. Dinadaan ninyo sa ad hominem ang kakitiran ng utak ninyo. Just because you are bereft of the ability and knowledge to prove a simple equation, you peremptorily resort to name calling and derogatory remarks. Just shows the kind of training and education you receive that makes one think twice of even touching you with a ten-foot pole.  ANAK ZAPOTE, you are proving a statement with another statement that has yet to be proven.  Mag-aral kayo ng Rhetoric at sipatin ninyo ang BEGGING the QUESTION.  KUNDI ba naman malaking katangahan yang sasabihing,  “oh… ito ang pagpapatunay na may diyos (hindi sinabi kung anong uri ng diyos yon) ….sinabi sa biblia na may diyos”.  Ano naman ang pagpapatunay ng TNL na biblia na yan na may Diyos? “Nakasulat yan sa biblia na salita ng diyos”.  Paano naman naging salita ng diyos ang biblia? “Nakasulat sa biblia na ang biblia ay salita ng diyos”.  Daig pa ang tsubibo sa peryahan sa paikot-ikot na ka-echosan na wala namang sinasabi kundi yon din ng yon.  Tapos ang lalakas-pa-ng-loob na mangutya ng mga kaisipang hindi nila kayang abutin.   PSHAW!  Magpapakilala pa yang hindi lamang kristiano kundi kaTOLik pa na sa katunayan ay nakakasira sa pangalan ng Catholics sa kakitiran at kamamangmangan ng kaisipan.

    Magpapalutang ng pangungsap, tapos pag tinanong mo ng simpleng katanungan, sang katerbang de numero ang ibabalik na wala namang kinalaman sa tinatanong. Tigil na ninyo yang kahibangan ninyong pagpupundilyo kay damaso. Hindi kayo uubrang tanod ng mga damaso sa kasalatan ng kaisipan ninyo.

    Maghanap pa kayo ng ibang tutulong sa inyo dahil hanggang ngayon KAMOTE pa din ang binabalik ninyong argumento. You can outnumber but never outwit me, first-class charlatans.

    You’re not worth a rat’s arse.  Go preach your sanctimoniousness to one another.

    • GKLer

      There you are folks… solid proof that this atheist decided to ignore the evidence provided by resorting to ad hominems/fallacies… LOL.

      Who I am is irrelevant to the issue!

      The issue is the evidence provided which YOU asked for!

      STICK TO THE ISSUE or go back to the slime pits where you claim you evolved from with your tail between your legs.

      SHOW us you have time for more lame-come-backs….but no time to REPLY TO THE EVIDENCE presented.

      • GKLer

        Folks…wait for it…he might reply here with another lame come back…but he will totally disregard the evidence provided to him by jin2012 and myself….

      • UrHONOR

        HERE it is folks:  SORRY no PEARLS to SWINE!

        THAT’s it FOLKS!  abadi abadi abadi DUH!

      • UrHONOR

        THERE you are FOLKS……come and help me git this one.  

        BTW yong inglis mong kalabaw, e, uma-alingasaw….lulubog-lilitaw sa tubig na hilaw.  Sarili mong wika hindi mo magamit, yan pang mga NUMERO ang ina-atupag mo?  A minore ad maiorem.  Here, grasshopper….next time, with others who are willing to stoop down to your level, don’t attemp to carry 2 when you are not even capable of carrying 1.  You were taught that in your Gr 3 science class,  were you not?

        At any rate, save your effete energy….I have no interest in communicating with anyone with such kah kah mania of argumentum nihilum.

  • UrHONOR

    Beware of false bible-quoters that come disguised as harmless sheep and defenders of a faith but are really misleading and vicious wolves.

    • GKLer

      LOL…this is coming from an atheist.   Where is your scholarly reply to the evidence we provided?

      • GKLer

        Psalm 14
        The FOOL says in his heart, “There is no God.”They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;  there is no one who does good.

      • UrHONOR

        FOOLS are better….they have hearts. NET BARNACLES have no HEART.

      • GKLer

        You are pathetic. Everyone here can see that.You ask for proof/evidence on the existence of God…we gave it to you… now you resort to ad hominems and ridicule because you have no way to counter the proof/evidence.

        So, please continue to talk about yourself.  LOL.

      • UrHONOR

         NOPE.  No more PEARLS to SWINE..

      • GKLer

        OK, I’m the swine I admit it…now throw your pearls towards jin2012 who provided you with a scholarly reply…well…ano?  Wala din?  hahaha.

        You should just say, you have no pearls at all.  LOL.  Your comments are BS not pearls.

  • UrHONOR

    Further, BEWARE of net BARNACLES trying very hard every trick there is FOR ATTENTION while whistling in the dark.  Respond at your own risk. Intellectually fatal. 

    • GKLer

      Psalm 53
      The FOOL says in his heart, “There is no God.”They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;  there is no one who does good. 

      • UrHONOR

        AGAIN, BEWARE of net BARNACLES trying very hard every trick there is FOR ATTENTION while whistling in the dark.  Respond at your own risk. Intellectually fatal.

        Desperado lang na may kausap ang pumapatol sa ganitong uri na TROLL na nabubuhay sa mga de-kahong numero at hindi marunong guiamit ng sariling utak.

      • GKLer

        You are pathetic. Everyone here can see that.
        You ask for proof/evidence on the existence of God…we gave it to you… now you resort to ad hominems and ridicule because you have no way to counter the proof/evidence.

        So, please continue to talk about yourself.  LOL.

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