2 more claim to be real sultan of Sulu

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DIGOS CITY—The diplomatic and security crisis created by Jamalul Kiram III’s sending a group of armed followers to Sabah to claim the land has revived an age-old question here: Who is the real sultan of Sulu?

Since the crisis started nearly three weeks ago, two more members of the Kiram clan, both claiming to be the 35th sultan of Sulu, have emerged, airing different views on the standoff in Sabah.

Despite their conflicting claims to the title, which Jamalul insists is his, Fuad Kiram and Muedzul Lail Tan Kiram agree with their cousin that Sabah belongs to the Sulu sultanate.

The sultanate was once one of the most powerful monarchies in the world, with warriors feared for their swordsmanship.

Until the 19th century, the sultanate’s territory stretched from Sulu in southern Philippines to North Borneo in the northern margin of the South Pacific.

But the sun has set on the sultanate, as the colonial powers retreated home with the arrival of modern times.

Malaysian lease

North Borneo passed on to Malaysia after that country gained independence from Britain, though the Malaysians continued to recognize the Sulu sultanate’s ownership of the territory now known as Sabah.

Malaysia pays a token sum of 5,300 ringgit (P77,000) a year to the Sulu sultanate as lease on Sabah. There are reports in Manila that the paltry amount may be one of the reasons for Jamalul’s sending the “Royal Security Forces to the Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo” to Sabah on Feb. 9 to occupy the territory.

“Our official policy is the return of Sabah to all of us the nine heirs, including the people,” said Fuad, a son of Sultan Esmail Kiram I (1950-1974) who claims his title is recognized by the council of elders of Sulu.

But unlike Jamalul, he said, he wants the retaking of Sabah done “by peaceful means and by peaceful coexistence with others.”

Recognized by Marcos

Muedzul, who claims he is the 35th sultan of Sulu because former President Ferdinand Marcos recognized his father, Sultan Ampun Mohammad Mahakuttah Kiram (1974-1986), said that contrary to being a protector of the people of Sulu, Jamalul put the lives of not only his armed followers but also those of the women and children with them in danger by sending them to Sabah.

If Jamalul had achieved anything with the adventure, it was to make the world know that he was the sultan of Sulu, Muedzul said in a report published by a Malaysian newspaper on Sunday.

“They want to assure the people that they are with the legitimate sultan, but the fact is that they are not, because there is only one sultan of Sulu and that is me,” Muedzul said.

Other Malaysian newspapers quoted Muedzul as saying in a radio interview that Jamalul’s sending armed followers to Sabah was “a decision that would never emanate from a wise man.”

Not a good idea

“He is against the way the situation is being handled, because going into another country’s territory with people [who are] armed, we don’t think it is a good idea,” one Malaysian newspaper quoted Andres Lindholm, Muedzul’s secretary, as saying.

So who’s the real sultan of Sulu?

Fuad says he is; Muedzul says he is.

But it is Jamalul who commands the respect and obedience of the people of Sulu.

And he is the one who has a “royal army” to assert the clan’s claim to Sabah.

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  • http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.com/ Political Jaywalker

    Great, while the other party risk their life another party claims they are the real MCoy. There is actually a word for that dumb pronouncement and it is called JERKS.

    Muedzul apparently lacks some needed skills in negotiation, LOL. What he is doing is actually sabotaging his cousin and for what exactly if I may ask? So he can attract some attention for himself? What a silly selfish man, hehehe.

    • ApoLapullapu

      Question is whether or not the majority of the people of the Sultanate chooses to support Muedzul and leave the more popular heir?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CFZ2Q7RFJ6PWRYMM3NJ7JB4KSE Dynamic

    The proof shall make you real but where is it?

  • IbigMongSabihin

    muedzul is using a malaysian newspaper to make known his claim to the sultanate. and malaysia will use him to discredit the current sultan of sulu and the sultan’s fighters currently holed up in sabah. 
      

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NVBS2TMY6B7OGOA6474TYIQDJE Cristobel

    the royal are isn’t his! it belongs to Nur and the MNLF he is just being loaned an army when it suits them the MNLF will take it back

  • IbigMongSabihin

    the sultan of sulu is the one who is widely recognized as sultan and obeyed by the people of the sultanate. one person inside the kiram family just cannot proclaim himself the sultan of sulu just because he thinks he is.    

  • giltor

    Balderdash!

    To further muddy the waters.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6UHKC43FYFDBCZ2T44ZKDPYA4 Cabal

    Independence for Mindanao ! It’s time for tausugs to have their own country and develop the local economy as they see fit.

    • ApoLapullapu

      This can happen.

    • Ari Putan

      That will include Sabah as their domain….. I like it.

  • bogli_anakdami

    dang!  sabah belongs to my daddy y mommy… inheritance from my lolo ko sa tuhod… sultan emir abdul patay gutom mohammed…

    i have the orig titulo with raised seal from limahong… it’s mine and mine alone… peks man…

    hay naku, flip puro kayo mga gung gongs…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G6MG4QQ3ND6UZSOBMLRHALZ7HI Petwil

    It just normal for a big families to have differences when it comes to inheritance. The real issue is the legitimacy of their claim in Sabah which should be resolved before all tempers breakdown. The government has to show also determination to resolve the issue. It has a big role to play and not just fence sitting/watching on what will happen in Datu Lahud otherwise it will be guilty of in action to the detriment of the Filipino Nation.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6UHKC43FYFDBCZ2T44ZKDPYA4 Cabal

      Malaysia is already very tolerant towards those terrorists. It only block the food supply and not exterminated them as it should have weeks ago. Maybe in philiphines it’s a norm for people to carry weapons in the streets, but in malaysia anyone besides the police and army carrying weapons would have been treated either as criminals or terrorists, and subject to the practise of kill first , ask questions later.

      • ApoLapullapu

        Malaysia cannot just shoot the owners of the land it is renting.

      • VeryDisgusted2

        They are not terrorists. They are the documented heirs and owners of Sabah.

        Malaysia? – well it is the land grabber. If I am to decide, owner will not beg to land grabber; owner decapitates the land grabber. How to decapitate the land grabber? Decapitate their tourism industry, plantations, oil fields (just 150km away in Labuan). Give no peace to garrisons and military.  Win the heart of the long-time residents (they are relatives anyway).

        Our inutile military and government cannot do this, but the Tausug warriors can.

        So do not say “Malaysia is tolerant to terrorists.” The sultanate has been tolerant to the land grabber for a long time.

        The Sultanate of Sabah should not be part of the Philippines, the opportunist who contributed nothing. If Malaysia wants peace with Sabah then it should directly negotiate with the sultan.

  • Rovingmoron

    It will be impossible for the Sultanate of Sulu to reclaim Sabah if all the heirs can’t be united. As far as I’m concerned, what they can do is to first elect someone within the family to represent the Sultanate of Sulu. Once the claim has prospered, then  that’s the time they can reach a consensus among themselves what to do with the Sabah claim.

    • ApoLapullapu

      In the Sultanate he who commands the respect and obedience of the majority of the people becomes the  de facto Sultan if no one is formally enthroned.  These other heirs cannot be enthroned if they have not assumed the status of a de facto Sultan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G6MG4QQ3ND6UZSOBMLRHALZ7HI Petwil

    Now we can see how the Malaysians reacted to the stand off in Sabah. It is a clear ” divide, conquer and harass” strategy. Divide the heirs, conquer the weak ones and harass the supporters and relatives. Instead of facing the issue squarely and in a civilized way, Malaysia employed that imperialist strategy and worst resorted to the most inhuman way of subduing human beings, that is by starving the sultan followers in Datu Lahud to death and by harassing and intimidating the sultan’s relatives in Malaysia. The government should not put a blind eye on these. She has to draw Malaysia to the negotiation table and talk professionally on the claim issue to once and for all settle this long time conflict of interest between them. If Malaysia will not accede to this and instead continue to resort to this evil strategy, then it is high time for the government to show its balls. We don’t want war, but we wont back off when it is shoved in our face..

    • Loggnat

      Go to war with Malaysia with what? Be realistic because war is something that nobody should experience specially those who are ill equipped to fight one. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6UHKC43FYFDBCZ2T44ZKDPYA4 Cabal

        I believe he meant to bring the fist to a gunfight. 

      • Alex Alvarez

        You don’t know the TAUSUG WARRIORS, they are battle hardened WARRIORS… 

      • Loggnat

        You have no clue what a well armed, disciplined, experienced and properly trained military is capable of doing against its enemy in a war. Guerrilla tactics will be difficult for the Filipino Muslims to fight in Malaysia because they will not be in their own turf. War is not an option and should never be considered before exhaustive negotiation is taken.

    • ApoLapullapu

      The government is now towing the line of Malaysia.

      • Alex Alvarez

        Can we expect on this INUTILE GOVERNMENT OF A SON OF A TRAITOR WHO ARE FRIENDS TO THE MALAYSIAN LEADERS? OF COURSE NONE? He was now the spokesperson of the MALAYSIANS!

  • Paulstronghold

    Again, it’s the issue of having to deal with different personages over the same subject. Now its’s getting more complicated. This time this government have to dig deeper on who is actually the real and genuine heir of Kiram. There might be some grand design in the offing.

    • ApoLapullapu

      The government is looking for someone whom they can recognize as the Sultan of Sulu who will help it in removing the Royal Army of the Sultanate of Sulu from Lahad Datu.  But do they have the command and respect of the majority of the people of the Sultanate?

  • Mario_Garcia

    Beware, soon the Malaysians will come up with their own Sultan of Sulu which they will recognize and will be subservient to Malaysia in the question of Sabah.

  • okabato

    Muedzul based on the comment of his secretary is not the real sultan of Sulu by saying to malaysian press that it was not a good idea to send armed followers to another country’s territory.

    • Alex Alvarez

      I do believed that he is not the real sultan…. Sultan Fuad or Jamalul? Who have more followers and command respect from the people?

  • ApoLapullapu

    The Heirs of the Sultan of Sulu who owns Sabah are all owners of Sabah.  They may have differing opinions on how to recover Sabah but they have a common stand that the land belongs to them.  In the Taritib (laws of the Sultanate), he who commands the loyalty and admiration of the people  is usually the one enthroned as Sultan.  If Jamalul suits these, then he must be the reigning Sultan with or without a formal enthronement.

  • 2rey3

    Divide and conquer? Macchiavellian tactic. Gasgas na to! Let us conquer Sabah first and then divide later is the better option.

  • divictes

    Yeah, yeah, yeah… and I’m the fifth Beatle…

  • joshmale2004

    “Our official policy is the return of Sabah to all of us the nine heirs, including the people,” said Fuad, a son of Sultan Esmail Kiram I (1950-1974) who claims his title is recognized by the council of elders of Sulu.
    How can the heirs claim entire Sabah when it is very clear that the Sultan of Brunei only gave them 3/8 portion of Sabah? these heirs should clearly define the area which they own and leave the rest which were not given to them. Even if Malaysia gave in to their 3/8 share of Sabah, the 5/8 portion clearly belongs to Malaysia and there’s no way they will give what is theirs.

    • Alex Alvarez

      You don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t even know about the land SABAH!!!

      • joshmale2004

        Sorry but I am basing my account on independent archives not biased for Philippine account and Malaysian account. Maybe you are basing your account on Philippine history.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

      SA MADALIT SABI….KUNG SINO ANG BINABAYARAN NG MALAYSIA AY SIYA ANG MAG ARI….TAPOS ANG BOKSING…IPAGBILI NA LANG KI PACMAN PARA DOON SIYA MATULOG HUWAG SA RING

  • robert franklin

    “But the sun has set on the sultanate, as the colonial powers retreated home with the arrival of modern times”

    That’s right, nobody wants to be a subject of pea brain sultan these days.

    Here comes the body bags!

    • Ari Putan

      And the two bags are for you.  One is for your detached head. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z6NPU55BZPII5LOVO7HQCSVQXQ Conrado de QUIYOT

    si Misuari ang nagmamaniobra sa lahat ng ito..mga mnlf ang lumusob sa sabah.

  • robert franklin

    “the Malaysians continued to recognize the Sulu sultanate’s ownership of the territory now known as Sabah.”

    Malaysia is about the only nation left in this region that upholds the position of royalty. But these pea brain kiram clan carry no royal blood. they are pirates. and they only know how to put misery onto others.

    • Ari Putan

      You will be miserable later on… Don’t make the sultan unhappy..
      So, better shut up!

    • VeryDisgusted2

      If you are in the shoes of the sultan who waited for long years and endured the insulting token amount of Sabah rental and utter disregard of our dumb government, you will not be blurting any foolish words here.

      I think you are the pea-brained fool, not the sultan.

      • Alex Alvarez

        I agree with you, that guy got a pea size brain…. or none at all!!!

  • robert franklin

    “contrary to being a protector of the people of Sulu, Jamalul put the lives of not only his armed followers but also those of the women and children with them in danger by sending them to Sabah.”

    pea brain pirate!

    • Ari Putan

      Is it FAIR  for malaysia to pay P70,000 a year for rent of Sabah? OMG!
      Who is the pirate here ?

      • Alex Alvarez

        Of course the Malaysians!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DV6L27CPUZDNNDSMECRRCCPMUI test

        It was stipulated in the agreement. So what?. Do Jamalul want more or what?. Pirates do protrude other territories. Sulu army do!

  • robert franklin

    “Jamalul’s sending armed followers to Sabah was “a decision that would never emanate from a wise man.”

    pea brain pirate!

  • robert franklin

    “going into another country’s territory with people [who are] armed, we don’t think it is a good idea,”

    These kiram pirates, carrying assault weapons and grenade launcher into Malaysia is a BIG mistake. but of course no pea brain sultan can comprehend this.

    their bodies will be delivered in bags.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6UHKC43FYFDBCZ2T44ZKDPYA4 Cabal

      Exactly, no civilized country in the world apart from afghanistan and somalia would tolerate such armed terrorists intrusion for weeks. Imagine if malaysia do a tit for tat by parachuting armed combatants into manila, the response from philiphine would be similar.

      • Ari Putan

        Then why not malaysia do it? Easy to shoot birds in the sky…hahaha…
        They will lose more than the Sultanate as Sabah will turn into a war area….
        Byebye economy of malaysia….

      • $43901987

        Yari sila kay kumander robot, abu sabaya. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

        PABAYAAN NA LANG NATIN SILA….PAREHONG MUKLO YAN…PARA MABAWASAN ANG KALABAN NATIN

  • jojo webmail

    sultan bato vs zorro 

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    Eye, am the Sultan of Sulu and also the Sultan of Swing.  I have a tatoo stating so.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MV4JC4DEGZJQKBIJMWEZ4KOKRE Arnel

      Tawagin si Mark Knofler para tugtugin nya ang Sultan of Swing.

      • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

        Knopfler… not Knofler

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XJ6M3EEK5LGN77YOMKJHBCXF7Q jeronimo

    Regardless, it just so states that indeed the ownership is from them not Malaysia’s.

  • UrHONOR

    DE FACTO….there’s one.

    DE JURE……there are three. 

  • UrHONOR

    DON’T anyone get surprised now if all of a sudden a SULTAN ALI BABA suddenly pops out from nowhere and claims ownership of entire ASIA.  :)  Attn: Manotocs.

    • DeaDMoRo

      Actually, there was already one Prince Morden Talleano of the Tagean-Tallano estate claiming ownership of the entire Philippine archipelago. Ironically, one of their past lawyers was Ferdinand E Marcos!

      • UrHONOR

        TINGNAN nmo nga naman yan…..at may Prince Talleano pa pala sa ating lupang hinirang.  Hindi nakuha ng Prince yong kanyang claim.  Hindi din naman nasayang yonggirap at pagod nya dahil ang nakakuha ng claim nya ay si Marcos!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PI2R4LGW5PH5CBK66PI2VGSE7A Don Joseph

    Yan ang problema. Ang sabi ne Sultan Kiram, para sa Pilipinas ang ginagawa nyang ito. But actually, sila sila (his clan, plus other armed groups) are the only ones who will benefit from this problem. Ika nga – the choice is his, but the consequences are on us.. Sila ang gumagawa ng gulo, ang Pilipinas ang magdurusa. 

    If war happens between Phil and M’sia, we are no match against their modern armed forces. 

    If Sabah ‘went to the Phil’, surely there will be conflict ala-Afghanistan. Ang daming tao na pwede mag-claim sa Sabah via ancestral rights?! Do you think magkakasundo sila sa pagkamkam ng Sabah?

    Be realistic.. Be smart.. Patriotism doesn’t just mean adding territory to our country – we should always think the consequences on our whole country.

    • Ari Putan

      Duwag na nurse……
      Maghugas ka nalang ng ariputan dyan !

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWQAZPNGR7CKVJPEWH72BYZ4QA Jok

      “If war happens between Phil and M’sia, we are no match against their modern armed forces”

      …and their 28M population is no match to our 100M people.

      …and their 165K military personnel is no match to our 400K soldiers

      anong pinagsasabi mong no match tayo?  eh, sa taga-Mindanao lang, kayang-kaya na nilang durugin ang Malaysian military!  ungas!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KELBC2K3ZHQWVW7ZCFKZUDDSEU Marlon

        eh ano ngayon kung mas marami tayong tao??? mas malakas naman ang militar ng Malaysia.

        ano ang pangtapat ng Pilipinas sa 44 na fighter aircraft ng Malaysia (8 F/A -18 Hornet, 10 Mig-29, 18 Sukhoi Su-30 MKM at iba pa)???

        ano ang pangtapat ng Pilipinas sa 4 na missile frigates, 4 na corvettes at 2 submarine ng Malaysia???

        wag nga kayong mag-asam ng giyera kasi wala kayong armas. mapapahiya lang kayo.

      • Ari Putan

        They can destroy “temporarily” but they CAN’T CONQUER PHL!!!
        LONG LIVE THE TAUSOG !!!!!
        MABUHAY !!!

      • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

        kahit gaano kalupit ang armas nila…. its our will thta will prevail.

        the problem is that the pwesident’s will is like amalilio… at the back of his mind… “RUN”.

        this is evidence that amalilio is filipino.

      • my_chatmate

        Hindi na ngayon kailangan maraming armas. The new warfare is through guerilla and sabotage. The problem of malaysia is kung magsila yang ng bagong rebellion sa area nila. It will take time. probably 20 to 30 years. maubos din yan resources nila. then they will ask philippines to mediate and broker peace like what malaysia doing now.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Vietnam and Afghanistan to name a few. Study some military history before you comment. Superiority in weapons is not a factor in modern warfare. It’s the will of the warriors that wins battle and the support of the people that wins war. : )

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

        PARA MAGKAINTINDIHAN KAYO….DALAWA ANG WARFARE…LOW INTENSITY AT HIGH WITH THE USE OF MODERN ASSETS

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DV6L27CPUZDNNDSMECRRCCPMUI test

        I have same tought with you..
        Vietnam and Afganistan have diffrent story
        Vietnam is because the geographical & tactical that beyond US thought.
        Afganistan is becoz their religious believe. They are willing to die as “Jihad’.
        But we are not fall to either one of those 2.

      • $43901987

        kayang kaya sila ni coco martin

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

        TALO NATIN SILA KASI MARAMING ROCKET SA PINAS…MGA SENADOR LANG TIGAS NA LALO PA ANG TONGRESMAN..DALADALAWA ANG ROCKET

      • MikeCrisologo

        War is not just about modern weapons . Ex. USA and VIETNAM , USA lost .a world power. our arm forces is well trained in actual combat with our Muslim brothers for almost 2 decades the problem is nobody won because they belong to the same race ., Filipinos ,an elite warriors

      • DeaDMoRo

        Dream on MikeCrisologo. Andaming warmongers dito!

    • Alex Alvarez

      Duwag!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C7OYO4NJW6VOFWAR6TSLORRSZI Jakob

      Masyado namang bahag ang buntot mo pre… Kamag anak ka ba ni Amalilio?

      • DeaDMoRo

        Hindi naman parekoy he is just being realistic. Ikaw ba Jakob ready ka na ba gawing bala ng Oto Melara cannon pag lulusob tayo ng Sabah? 

    • TOINKZ_06

      Mindanao alone….. pwede ng makipaglaban. Baka another twin tower na namn gumuho.

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    And the Caliphate of Antarctica hasn’t even joined the fray yet.

  • my_chatmate

    Had we occupied sabah during the 50s, things will be different. I think on of the reasons why Philippine Presidents in the past did not support our brother muslim claims was because they dont trust muslims then. Do they now?  Some said: “if you have problem with 2Million muslims, do you want more with 3Millions?”  The worry was not to get Sabah by then but what we would do if sabah was with us and its inhabitants.  Marcos tried and attempted to invade or infiltrate Sabah but backed out when it was leaked.

    • herecomesrusty

      About Marcos, if I understand it right, the muslims went against it back then. So, how can this stunt be popular now?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

      ni NINOY NA TRAIDOR ANG NAG LEAK

      • DeaDMoRo

        At ikaw yata ang bumaligtad ng history. Ituro mo yan sa mga anak mo!

  • Diepor

    I would like the land to be part of Philippines but I would not join a fight to give the land to somebody that claims they are royal and have a birthright to the land. We are not a kingdom.

  • ShibumiNinja

    I am the third sultan of Sulu
    and the forth Prince of Camp Aquinaldo… 

    bwahahaha

  • mark lopez

    I definitely believe that we can win if war broke out between the two country.

    Any smart general(s) well believe that if the Royal army will be the the first to make a move and it makes a provoking act to start war. (Philippines  and Malaysia)
    Philippines will win. We have many veteran soldiers against their freshly made boy scouts.
    and if the royal army is 10,000 they can defeat 100,000 that’s a fact that only the most elite can be a member of the Royal army.

    battle tactics, camouflage plus
    knowing their weapons weakness and stronger side and by being a part of their soul.
    that is a Philippines warriors are made off!

    • panhase

         It´s always heartening to know that such an experienced military expert is supporting the nation.

    • DeaDMoRo

      Para kalang naglalaro ng Games of the Generals.. LOL!

    • bhar zul

      How I wish to be as rhetoric as you. Just wonder why, after 3 or 4 decade ago, your ‘veteral General’ still can’t defeat and resolve that armed rebellion in the south which were made of rag tag untrained civilian. You can’t even silent that NPA that has been terrorizing your country for so long already. Now you want to pick fight with Malaysia?

  • Otai Dota

    Even though the land is by right owned by the sultanate of sulu, they should first negotiate and bring their claims to international bodies to be resolved peacefully and to show respect to the sovereignty of others. using army should be the last resort will only threaten peace and bring destruction to both sides and to the entire southeast asia region. unless they wanted war in the first place. ur warrior blood don’t mean a thing with both sides claiming they are the better warriors when your family is slaughtered.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G2UFL7BAIFFUU6TIW4FFAPTVV4 Ghost

    The Republic of the Philippines has nothing to do with the claim of Sultan of Sulu. Sultan may have a right to the property but not the Govt of Philippines.

    But if the Republic of the Philippines would be successful (halimbawa lang) in annexing Sabah, it would just be another problem as a separatist muslim state. Sabah is much more predominantly Muslim than Mindanao. Or worse, Sabah will just boost the current separatist movement that gives our government headache. So hayaan mo na ang Sabah sa Malaysia, masaya naman sila doon. But i hope the SUltan of Sulu gets his fair share (in land or rent).
    .

    • malek_abdul

      Hypothetical!

  • http://www.facebook.com/angeljr.lim Angel Jr Arizo Lim

    I Hate PNOY! I am so disappointed that what I voted as President for this country was a big COWARD! 

    • DeaDMoRo

      Halika boy kung gusto mo mag volunteer pwede kitang gawing bala sa Oto Melara ng Goyo ship natin, kapag lusubin na natin ang Sabah..

  • http://www.facebook.com/angeljr.lim Angel Jr Arizo Lim

    The
    ultimate stupidity and cowardice of Pres. Noynoy Aquino now comes to
    ultimate play. I HATE PNOY AQUINO TO THE GRAVE when he abandoned the
    claim in SABAH. Pres. Marcos was not stupid when in 1973 Constitution of
    the Philippines, Sabah’s claim was included as part of our territory.
    How could PNOY say what he just said today regarding the filing of
    charges against the Sultan of Sulu and followers? AQUINO FAMILY Traitor
    to the FIlipino People! Starting from Ninoy, Cory, and now Noynoy,
    They’re the cause of hardships and poverty to the Filipino people.
    BULLSHIT TO YOU PNOY!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJW3LXJGTGMGFSLHSU2W5BZGBM Benjamin Brillantes

      ITANONG PA NATIN SA MGA TAO KUNG SINO ANG NAGBUNYAG NG JABIDA……SI NINOY DI BA? AT MARAMING NAMATAY NA SUNDALO…..YAN ANG TRAIDOR BAGO SA KALHATANG PINOY HERO ….”F”  YOU

      • joshmale2004

        Pano naging traidor si Ninoy eh siya nga ang nagbunyag sa nangyaring massacre kaya nalaman natin ang plano ni Marcos at si Marcos din ang nagpapatay sa mga sundalong kasama sa Jabidah.

    • DeaDMoRo

      Actually it was Marcos who abandoned the Sabah Claim due to huge embarrassment in his attempt na traydorin ang Malaysia. Learn your history my friend. Ang daming revisionists dito..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFDGBGI6RTVYTYN3X6OP2DVX4A droids

        ikaw ang mag learn sa history PNOY exposed the Operation Merdeka sa Senado kaya maraming namatay na Pilipinong operatives sa Sabah…at di nabawi ang SABAH..sinong nagpopondo ng rebelyon sa Mindanao, MALAYSIA di ba.

        Bakit may problema tayo sa komunista heto ang totoo NINOY introduced Jose Ma. Sison to Bernabe Buscayno kaya the NPA was set up.. 

        Sino ngayon ang TRAYDOR si NINOY di ba…kung ikaw ang Presidente at that time anong gagawin mo? 

        Hindi nag abandon si Marcos sa claim ng SABAH noong 1977, hindi na lang niya ipinagpatuloy pa dahil sa dami ng DILAWANG KOMUNISTA na nagpapahirap ng bansa na mas mahalaga pang asikasuhin. 
        Basahin mo ang 1973 Constitution regarding our claim sa mga teritoryo ng PINAS, ikumpara mo sa 1987 Constitution kung saan nagprotesta si Arturo Tolentino kasi nilinlang ng Cory Constitution ang mga tao, bentado ang pinas sa claim ng mga teritoryo

      • sakinlang

        Sorry po Sir, pero ang sabi ninyo “Hindi nag abandon si Marcos sa claim ng SABAH noong 1977, hindi na lang niya ipinagpatuloy pa”. Di po ba kapag di na ipinagpatuloy ay abandonment din po iyon kahit na ano pa ang dahilan?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFDGBGI6RTVYTYN3X6OP2DVX4A droids

        “In 1977, at the Asean summit in Kuala Lumpur, Marcos announced that his government was ready to take steps to soften its stand on Sabah. In utter surprise, Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said there was nothing left for him to do but to tear up his speech, since the world headline had already gone to Marcos.
        Marcos, however, did nothing after that. It was only under Fidel V. Ramos that the claim was made to sleep”

      • DeaDMoRo

        Dyan ka nagkamali droids. What Ninoy Aquino exposed was the Jabidah Massacre, after na po ng bungled Operation Merdeka. May nagsumbong sa kanya na merong mga Tausug, inisa-isa pinatay sa may bandang corregidor. Kung wala lang sanang nabuhay to tell the tale, eh malamang lusot si Marcos nun.

        Mali lahat sinasabi mo. According to history and i qoute verbatim, “Marcos later decided to drop the claim, but the aggrieved Malaysians insisted on such an explicit, humiliating public renunciation that no Philippine president could meet their conditions.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFDGBGI6RTVYTYN3X6OP2DVX4A droids

        “In 1977, at the Asean summit in Kuala Lumpur, Marcos announced that his government was ready to take steps to soften its stand on Sabah. In utter surprise, Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said there was nothing left for him to do but to tear up his speech, since the world headline had already gone to Marcos.
        Marcos, however, did nothing after that. It was only under Fidel V. Ramos that the claim was made to sleep”

      • DeaDMoRo

        I’m not really sure if you understand what you’re posting here. 

      • DeaDMoRo

        Droids alam mo ba hanggang ngayon meron paring mga Marcos loyalists that would still insist that the Jabidah Massacre is just a myth? Tanungin mo ang asawa ng may pakana at mga anak nila, i’m sure you will get a 101% denial from them..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFDGBGI6RTVYTYN3X6OP2DVX4A droids

        Jabidah Massacre is not a myth. Iagay mo ang sarili mo kay Ninoy. You have a responsibility to the Filipino people. Mas marami pang namatay na Pinoy operatives sa Malaysia after Ninoys exposure, dpat ginawa niya ang expose after taking back Sabah ng sa ganon  hindi nagawang pondohan ng Malaysia na magkaroon ng rebelyon sa Mindanao at mapanagot din si Marcos  sa kamalian niya ng hindi tayo nagkakawatak-watak.

      • DeaDMoRo

        Anong hindi myth? Tanungin mo kaya si Imelda at mga anak nya? Sabihin mo kay Meldy, Bong2, Irene, at kay Imee, pwede mo na ring isama si Borgy! lol! Na ang Jabidah Massacre ay nangyari sa totoong buhay! Hindi mo na yata alam ang pinagsasabi mo dyan.. You may not be aware but we’re getting closer to pure hearsays and conspiracy stories. Cut the crap! Actually yung involvement ni Ninoy dyan ay parang huli na sa lahat, for public consumption nalang. Nung time palang na nka escape si Jibin Arula mula sa corregidor, word quickly spread to Sulu and into Malaysia. Kung alam mo lang gaano kalapit mga isla dyan. Ang problema pa kasi parang you’re trying to condone an act of terrorism and destabilization against a foreign land, much worse justify a massacre.

    • ron cruz

      Sabah is not belong to Malaysia nor to Philippine government, the sultan of sulu is the heir of Sabah, so Sabah is a private property base on their testimony.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      He hasn’t actually abandoned the claim though.

      Not supporting an armed incursion into foreign territory that could lead to war is not the same as abandoning the national claim to Sabah.

      But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your petty little rant.

  • mark lopez

    Boys talk about whats on their mouth.
    Man talks about whats on their mind.

  • DeaDMoRo

    NoyNoy Aquino is no different from the late Saddam Hussein if he decides to invade Sabah.

  • boybakal

    2 more claim to be real sultan of Sulu….

    There’s no problem with that. The more the claim to be heirs of the Sultan, the better.
    Of course, the patriarch might have fathered so many children as they can have as many wives as they can.

    The govt abandoned the claim, so it is now personal claim.
    They don’t want another Mindanao which the govt can do nothing.

    The best action the heirs of Sultan should do is demand an increase in rent as well as arrears payment.

    • joshmale2004

      Katropa ba nung dating sultan sina Erap, Dolphy at Ramon Revilla Sr.

      • bhar zul

        Always very refreshing and informative reading all your comment in all Inquirer pages; but please… can you speak English throughout?

      • joshmale2004

        No problem. Just tell me which previous tagalog comments you did not understand and I will gladly translate in English. Just copy paste and add a note to translate.

      • bhar zul

        Appreciate that. TQ.

  • joshmale2004

    Mag jack en Poy o pompiang na lang kayo para ang manalo, siya ang bagong sultan.

  • $14170612

    si sultan kudarat ang may ari

  • w33k3nd3r

    If the Chinese Politburo joins in claiming this, I’m going to throw up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I’M Spartacus!

  • sasama

    …pag talagang giyera naman takbuhin naman yang mga yan…

  • PlumberfromCanada

    ang Kiram ay apelyido ng nanay nila..dapat ABirin ang dinadala nila…dahil sikat si Princess Tarhata that time kaya KIram sila..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MARCOS OPERATION MERDEKA AQUINO UWI NA TAYO TAKOT AKO EHHH! TRAYDOR NINOY

  • http://www.facebook.com/scylus.salamander Scylus Salamander

    What is happening in SABAH should take serious attention and requires executive action as well as legislative action. If such claims were true, I believe the government need to develop appropriate course of action to handle it. The government shouldn’t adapt the “pinpointing fingers to who?” strategy urging those involve to just withdraw and allow the course of history to write itself, which of course, is impossible. If the claims of the SULTANS are legitimate, then the government need to resolve this with the Malaysian government. Country to country diplomatic negotiation is still the paramount course of action to undertaken if only to avoid bloodshed.

  • aldric alvian

    ok, let me get this straight. so, the land is belong Philipine and Malaysia renting it? So why now? after Sabah became one of the main attraction

  • JM Plaza

    Why now? Because Malaysia is brokering the peace agreement between MILF and the Philippine government. If the peace agreement becomes final, the government of the Philippines will no longer invoke the claim of Sabah which is the primary reason Malaysia is in the negotiations.

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