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Marcos won over Cory; Arroyo over FPJ

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Inquirer’s Fernando del Mundo’ wrote the last of his  two-part series on Edsa ’86 on Wednesday, which was a recollection of the events leading up to the “Mother of all People Power Revolts.”

Del Mundo’s interview with Roberto V. Ongpin, former trade minister during the Marcos government, was very revealing.

I was a reporter during the martial law period and covered Edsa ’86 from start to finish, and I can’t agree with Ongpin more when he said Ferdinand Marcos won the snap election against Cory Aquino.

“With the (snap) election, a lot of people felt that he (Marcos) lost. You know, he won. In my view he really won,” he said.

Estimates by experts placed Marcos’ lead over Cory by 300,000 votes.

Voters back then, who were as politically immature as now, chose Marcos over Cory because they didn’t know any better.

Most people in the rural areas, who comprise the bulk of the voting population, didn’t know Cory.

She was only popular in Metro Manila and other big cities.

The problem with Marcos was that he wanted to show the United States—which was pressuring him to step down—that he was still very popular with the people, and so he cheated at the polls to show a wide margin.

* * *

Speaking of cheating at the polls to gain a convincing lead over an opponent, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo did it.

GMA did win over Fernando Poe Jr.; perhaps by a small margin, but she won.

FPJ turned off millions of voters because he shunned meeting with local officials in his campaign sorties and was a clumsy speaker on stage.

I’ve talked with FPJ’s close friends and they all said that he lost because he was too shy to face people.

Gloria’s blunder was to talk with Commission on Elections Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano over the phone to inquire about the results of the voting even before the counting took place.

That historic conversation was tapped and recorded.

The rest is history.

* * *

Senatorial candidate Grace Poe-Llamanzares will suffer the same fate as her father, FPJ.

Llamanzares, who was kicked out of the United Nationalist Alliance (UNA), made a big blunder when she admitted she bears a grudge against Cebuano voters who chose Gloria over FPJ in the 2004 presidential election.

Duh!

She should have kept her feelings to herself since she’s supposed to be courting their votes.

Her political gaucherie will make voters in other parts of the Visayas and Mindanao, which areas  are Cebuano-speaking, shun her.

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  • John_Galt_II

    Si Tulfing sinusumpong na naman ng katangahan! Medyo napapadalas yata.

  • louie

    i disagree. my gut feel is Poe will win.

  • kentohtan

    dapat siguro bugbugin uli itong si ramona.walang kadala dala…

  • parengtony

    Mr. Tulfo has made multiple incredible statements in this piece. But the most amazing of them all is : ” Most people in the rural areas, who comprise the bulk of the voting population, didn’t know Cory”.

  • SG0609

    whatever happened to garci tapes…

  • maypakialamtayo

    nandito na naman ang mga tagasubaybay ni idol mon na bitter, basa ng basa ayaw naman nila sa kinilang binabasa, asar talo na naman! 

    • patriotic_act

      I agree.. I wonder why these people continue to read mon’s articles if they find it repulsive all the time.. maybe the truth is they admire mon, they just cant admit it and just wanted to “may masabi lang” mentality to “look intelligent”.

      I rarely read mon’s articles.. I enjoy reading the d*mb comments below it more.. as they are the reason why mon continues to be popular.. and ofcourse.. continue to receive paychecks from inquirer.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/N2QA6YVV4JWJWH5OZ75MC5Y3ME BS

        Because these yellowtards were ordered by Carandang paid-PR group to just put comments on every section of the inquirer be it pro-penoy or anti and make sure to insult (and not even criticized ) the reporters/columnists who writes negatively. Try to observe and criticize the abnoy government during weekends or holidays and you will be amazed how few or even zero reply from them. Observe during weekdays especially office hours and they will swarm you with personal insults for every negative comment you write. Remember Drilon pronouncements of campaign strategy ? He announced that they will campaign more thru cyberspace ( twitter,email,social media,sms) . And these bashers are their paid-PR groups. It is a strategy that works to condition the mind of the voters and undecided voters. Expect more propaganda emails and paid surveys in favor of these groups as they were effective during the 2010 presidential election. This is also the campaign strategy of Sen. Serge Osmena. Propaganda surveys plus sms plus emails plus social media.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PM6JHCFR2KT2AURMWRDUXBNLQY Darwin

        Noytards enjoy picking fights because in everything else, their patron saint turned out to be such a dud.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETIVE4H6I7ZVBAL72HE3VLGCA4 nicosan

    go claudine!!

  • Yobhtron

    CLAUDINE WON OVER MON TULFO!!!  

    • adscity_info

      And that’s the obvious. :-) With a large margin.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3AXROSN6LN5YP66EONOKGSSYFY Ngiping Dilaw

        That’s obvious , with a large blackeye. joke lang!

  • Noel

    Marcos won over Cory not just by 300,000 votes but about one million.  People’s minds were conditioned into believing that Cory won.  Even before the snap election, the Yellow Brigade supported by US-CIA warned the people that if Marcos won, he cheated and if Cory won, it would be a clean election.  Cory only had the most votes in Metro Manila where she was popular mainly because of Cardinal Sin’s help.  In the provinces, people still voted for Marcos because Cory was unknown.  Days after Marcos was ousted, people in the provinces thought Marcos was still the President.  

    • Dexter Red

      Strongly agree! Until now my Aunt recognize Marcos as her only President. hahaha

    • patriotic_act

      It was actually true.. most of the time kasi yung mga tao dito sa metro manila lang ang nagpi-people power.. akala nila andami nun, usually kung isasama mo yung mga supporters ni Marcos sa lahat ng region at probinsya eh sa kangkungan pupulutin yung mga taong pumunta sa edsa nung People Power 1..

      parang yung Edsa Dos.. puro tagarito lang naman sa metro manila ang nagpunta dun eh, puro mga hakot ng makati business club at mga estudyante at aktibista.. kaya nung Edsa Tres eh naging matalino si Gloria at pinaharang nya yung mga barkong papunta dito dala yung mga supporters ni Erap galing sa visayas at mindanao.. kung nakarating dito lahat yung mga yun baka naging katawa tawa tayo sa buong mundo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ELGS2BPKJKG5PDWJAOOCF7K5KI Albert

    No matter who wins the result is the same…..nothing changes. The rich still get richer and the poor already spent their 500 peso election baon.

    • oidkcin

      Very fatalistic view but very real. I often wonder & dream of real people leading a progressive Philippines. With this kakistocratic regime & the ayatollahs & ruhollahs typifying the candidates of both parties led by the abnoydski pwesident, you & I can only shake our heads in disgust.
      Impeach Aquino….& her brother.

  • adscity_info

    Indeed, GMA won over FPJ even she didn’t make a call to Garci.

    • Noel

      I hate GMA.  I wanna be clear about that.  But in fairness to her, she indeed won over FPJ by about 200K.  Since it was a small margin, she wanted the victory to be more credible so she cheated.  Her victory was largely due to INC votes which decided to endorse her after Lacson and FPJ failed to unite against her despite INC’s ultimatum.  Had either Ping or FPJ given in by agreeing to run as Vice and then INC supported one of them, GMA had no chance of winning. 

      • patriotic_act

        I have INC friends and this is actually true.. the INC gave their votes to GMA because FPJ and Ping failed to practice what the INC preach “unity” so GMA indeed won.. but a small margin it is indeed.

  • EstingMagwejueting

    “Grace Poe-Llamanzares up in SWS poll—spokesman”….Mon, your credibility is fast decreasing!!!..Nasobrahan ka yata nina Claudine at Raymart!!!

    • Alex Alvarez

      sus ginoo, saan ba ginanap ang poll? In Cebu?

    • TeabagDeluxe

      SWS? Yan yung survey company na kamag-anak ng mga Cojuangco-Aquino ang may-ari di ba?

  • jahred

    hey inquirer moderator !

    kentohtan
    Yobhtron
    adscity_info

    can u banned this people comment pls …

    They Make me laugh to the max . 0(‘-‘)0

    • patriotic_act

      I believe Mon himself will oppose that if ever.. as it is his only proof he is still “mabenta” and should continue writing articles here.

      • jahred

        i respect anyone here !

        in god’s eye’s im really bangged up in reading those comments

        even the people in our house ask me why im laughing out loud

        and my ‘ pangga ‘ said to me …

              Nabuang Naka ? 0(‘-‘)0

        i said to her ..,

        Nothing ! ” Im Just Reading News “.

        And Now Ngiping Dilaw adds up to the club

        and this one …

        sana maglagay ang philstar ng bagong column…”isumbong mo kay raymart”!

        courtesy of ” k ” 0(‘-‘)0

      • patriotic_act

        I myself enjoy reading the comments more than the article itself.. lalo na yung mga tira ng tira kay mon pero di naman mapigilan ang sarili nilang basahin pa rin yung mga sinusulat ni mon dito

      • jahred

        i think No One Will Follow his footsteps if the respected journalist cant handle that simple comedic opinion

        and they are well known now in this field :

    • adscity_info

      How dare you to include me in your list? So what if I make you laugh? Is that a valid reason to be banned here? Who are you to command here?

  • doublecross

    ‘arroyo over FPJ”……

    arroyo nagnakaw ng boto para kay FPJ, fake president…..magnanakaw!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3AXROSN6LN5YP66EONOKGSSYFY Ngiping Dilaw

    Natalo si Fernando kasi mahina makinarya nya. Mga local officials at Barangay captain ay maka Arroyo. Tapos urong sulong pa si Fernando. Tila kakandidato tila hindi. Matagal bago nagdecide na kumandidato kaya yung iba nangako na ng boto sa kalaban nya. Tapos kumandidato pa si Lacson kaya nahati pa ang boto. Tapos dinala ng INC si Arroyo.

    • joshua kings

      eh ganun pala, bakit nag-hello garci pa yang idol mong bulok? was she not a cheat then?
      let me remind you:’she promised early on on national tv that she will not seek reelection…
      what happened? well she lied…and one who lies is called a liar, right? you can check that in the dictionary.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3AXROSN6LN5YP66EONOKGSSYFY Ngiping Dilaw

        Nakoooo,nagsalita! Hello Garci. Bakit yung bang NAMFREL na super bias pabor kay Cory, na kahit talo si Cory ay panalo pa rin sa bilang ng NAMFREL! Tigilan ako no? O di ba at lalong yumaman si Joecon! hahahaha! Nakikita mo iba di mo nakita ang manipulation ng NAMFREL! kunwari pa e laging may mga madre na bantay! Saan ka puro kadayaan din naman. Pweeeeeee! kadirrrrriiiiiii!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L3NJ4IIZZMB2OMPIOR7X2B72ME k

    sana maglagay ang philstar ng bagong column…”isumbong mo kay raymart”!

    • tita_cacayan

      ” Banatan mo claudine ”  sa editorial naman

  • diamond_digger

    Not only do I disagree with Mon’s ideas in this column but am aghast at his declaration of his belief that Marcos won over Cory Aquino. His opinion with regards to GMA’s win over FPJ may have some points but not in his first. How could the EDSA revolution be as successful in so short a time and without so much bloodshed were it not for the fact that people who truly felt Marcos cheated on Cory and decided to cast away their personal fears and trooped to EDSA to join the revolution. Besides, didn’t the canvassers who walked out and discontinued the tally of the election results exposed the massive cheating perpetuated by the then administration of Marcos? If Tulfo who claims to be a reporter during those dreaded years of Martial law should have known the feelings of the people at that time, unless during those times he was already a “i, me, mine” person  as he is now.

    • TeabagDeluxe

      Marunong ka bang magbasa? Sa tingin mo sa buong Pilipinas ang pumunta sa EDSA revolution? Karamihan ng tao doon, mga taga-Maynila at malalapit na probinsya.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

        you must be one hell die hard ilokaok marcos loyalist, i cant blame you, you are what majority ilokaoks are

      • diamond_digger

         It would be an honor to argue and debate with somebody who has brains, unlike you, Teabag, whose brains, obviously, could only fit in a teabag. Thanks , Bobo!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

      Tulfo who? puleeeeeeseeee

    • ThudOthwacker

      Read the Mossadegh coup. The parallelism of events leading to the ouster are undeniable. In fact some RAM members admitted that they had been planning the coup a year before 1986 with the US liberals’ blessing. 

      The Namfrel objectives is to sow confusion. By trending vote counting in favor of Cory. Setting the illusion of Cory winning the election. Even declaring the number of people in EDSA in millions is false too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7W7IOOVSMXPI4IM4SMGC47FS7I larry

    talking about election cheating, why not ask some people in TESDA(formerly NMYC) who are now senior officials, what they did in February 1986 snap election count and who was the VIP with them during that time

  • w4d

    Nice to see how smart the Cebu voters are going to be this coming election. Cong. Anabel Rama, anyone? LOL…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

      not in a million chance that this freaking loudmouth rude obnoxious betchy woman named anabel rama will win, the cebuanos are just not like voters in luzon, case in point, lapids, revillas, ejercitos estradas, bongbong, etc etc etc,the list is far too long tomentions all of them

  • $5699914

    “… I can’t agree with Ongpin more…”

    Mr. Tulfo, may mali yata sa grammar mo….

    • TeabagDeluxe

      Walang mali sa grammar ni Tulfo.

      • $5699914

        Sabi mo eh…!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

      what are you an english grammar expert,? youre dead wrong, stop blogging youre a pinoy edyot

      • $5699914

        Come on, don’t insult yourself too much.
        Take your meds then enough rest, okay?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RWPOD4ER5LJPDQU3N32NAC74X4 johnnie r

    FPJ lost because LACSON split the opposition votes, garnering 3M votes that should have been meant for FPJ, hence thanks to PING, he lost by 1M votes to GMA. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

      namera lang si ping noong 2004

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

    gringo’s wife has the answer on ’86

  • okabato

    Another blunder by Tulfo to say that Cory was not well known in the barrios, towns and provinces. In fact Cory was propelled to popularity by the murder of her husband Ninoy. FPJ was defeated by GMA by the “votes” of Maguindanao have you forgotten hello Garci.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AF57IVWEAAKPM53UXZH6FZNLWM CarlosC

    So we believe Ongpin now, because Tulfo said so? Ha ha ha!
    Ongpin and the former Marcos cronies and lackeys have no credibility even after thirty years or so… the Marcoses and their ilks are only dreaming that they can come back again. No doubt using their formidable ill-gotten wealth to buy a favorable history. But then, they cannot buy all people, and the truth comes out, no matter how much their money is.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AND7MQ5FERICDOIAUW56RYT45A tower_of_power

    NAMFREL is an agent of cheating … sila ang nagpauso ng trending … first, canvass those places where their candidates are expect to win  … show the trend …. stop the counting!!!! Proclaim their candidates as winners … no need to continue counting kasi nga pangita na sa trend  … hahahahahaha!!!!

  • ThudOthwacker

    If you asked reinvigorated Joe Concepcion. Cory won with a big margin. Bigger than the flour hoarding earnings. Biggest than the product selection offerings of RFM and Concepcion Industries post-Marcos and Cory era.

    The guy is good in numbers. He was after all the chairman of CIA covert funded operation A.K.A. Namfrel. 

    “GMA did win over Fernando Poe Jr.; perhaps by a small margin, but she won.” ~Ramon Tulfo

    You have a better odds winning in a lottery, than predicting the place and the favored result.

      

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    My feeling before reading this article of  Ramon Tulfo was  pity him because of what Claudine and Reymart did to him at the airport some few months ago.

    But after reading his column today, my immediate reaction was: Buti nga sa iyo nagulpi ka nina Claudine, usisero ka kasi.

    • Pitbulldog

      Asus ganyan naman kayong mga naninilaw ang mata.  Komo tama ang tao at ayaw ninyo paniwalaan, galit na kayo.  Mga engots na dilaw talaga, super kitid ang utak.  Nakakahawa ang ka-abnoyan talaga….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    FPJ lost because Ping Lacson ran, and divided the votes of the opposition. GMA didn’t need to cheat. FPJ lost even in his very own barangay.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CORY ANIM NA TAON BINANTAYAN ANG PRESYO NG GALUNGGONG SA PALENGKE SI MARCOS IS THE BEST PRESIDENT PATI SABAH SINABI NIYA TERETORYO NATIN!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    ….and you all can check the Comelec website….the official Comelec count showed Marcos won. The final Namfrel tally also showed Marcos won. But majority believed there was cheating, hence, the People Power.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1817810879 Raul Batallones

    How can you have a real count if one party cheated. It never mattered who won on that election because Marcos and his cronies tainted it. This is why the people’s will won and overthrew Marcos. He lost his credibility after more that 20 years of trying to cling to power. I should know I grew up during the marcos era.

  • Pitbulldog

    Nakukuha lang kasi sa ingay yan tulad ng gawain ng oposisiyon nung panahon ni Macoy, at nito ngang kay GMA.  Of course, Marcos has to go that time.  He should have left his post after 2 terms.  His mistake was trying to perpetuate his hold on power.  Had he just kept the usual turn over of governments thru legitimate elections, he could have ended as one of the best presidents this country ever had.  His first 2 terms in office had been good to the country economically and even militarily.  Nagsuwapang lang kasi ang pamilya kaya ayun. Sana binigyan niya ng tsansa na mapatunayan ni Ninoy na nationalistic talaga siya o another pulitiko din lang..

  • Pitbulldog

    Perhaps that is why the computer specialists walked out.  Di nila ma-take na lumalamang nga si Makoy, he he. pag nanalo legally kasi, useless na plano nila Gringo….

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.curtis.167 Edward Curtis

    Marcos won over Cory? In your wildest dream, Mr. Roberto Ongpin who is a prime suspect in the . dBP behest loan scam ditto with Mike Arroyo. The person who was the project director of the computerized tabulation of ballots held at the PICC was my close relative and he admitted to us that he was instructed to cheat the tabulation the results of which showed Marcos the winner. Marcos won over Cory?

    Arroyo won over FPJ? That is also the line of Garci, a corrupt official under a corrupt Arroyo administration.

  • Ari Putan

    Depota !

  • Juan Luna Ibarrizto

    You are way out of your skull. What are you smoking BTW? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5UOZM4PWIDKO7G64HL3PPMXUTM Constantine

    With the latest result of SWS survey showing Poe in a better position, i wonder how Tulfo can justify his comments. Mukhang nakuryente na naman si Tandang Tulfo e. Hala baka suntukin ka na naman dyan ni Raymart puro iyak lang naman ang sagot mo, he he he!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2RVERYUPGBL4EHNMB2QNIQTFS4 Boying

    Granting that it is true the Dictator won over the Saintly Housewife. Question, how many of these votes were the product of coercion and intimidation not to mention the massive vote buying?? Please stop your revisionism and cut the CRAP!!!!

  • JasonBieber

    The ‘Hello Garci’ incident is problem one of the most misunderstood incident in the Philippine history.

    It’s appreciated that this author was fairly honest to write that GMA indeed win and the only mistake was to inquire about the results prior to the counting.

    People believe the ‘Hello Garci’ and the apology that followed was for a crime or cheating. The apology that GMA gave was for the blunder of inquiring of results prior to the counting NOT for cheating. Should GMA have call Garci…probably not…was it cheating or a crime…NO.

    Many people talk about the ‘Hello Garci’ incident and use it to attack GMA without being properly informed on what actual transpired in the incident.

  • Barangkuag

    Mind conditioning again Tulfo?

  • jElly_aCe

    nag walk out mga nag cocomputer noong araw kc nakikita nila na tlaga panalo c marcos at nde nila matanggap un kc ng panahon na un punong puno sa drama ang mga tga maynila, nag iiyakan at nag bibigayan ng food. ang mga pinoy mahilig sa drama at himala, konting sindi at suhol lang uusok agad at lalabas ang sangkaterbang luha at ka dramahan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5STEU22AD7YRHQSB6RE56ZDSYA J

    Past is past. Let’s see who will cheat this time.

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