Bishops have long forgiven Celdran, says CBCP exec

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Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma

MANILA, Philippines–The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines on Tuesday said the bishops have long forgiven tour guide Carlos Celdran but the court has spoken and they could only respect its decision.

“We can only love and forgive but the decision of the court is the court’s verdict on the matter … we just say amen to the decision,” said CBCP President Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma at a Church forum in Intramuros, Manila on Tuesday.

Palma was sought for comment on the guilty verdict handed down by the Metropolitan Trial Court against Celdran on Friday.

The Manila court found Celdran guilty of offending religious feelings when he, dressed like Jose Rizal, stood in front of the main altar of the Manila Cathedral during an ecumenical service, shouted and raised a poster bearing the word “Damaso.”

When asked if the CBCP would somehow appeal to let Celdran off the hook, Palma replied, “We respected the decision of the court. It’s not for me to oppose.”

He also could not say yet whether the penalty given to Celdran was harsh since he has not read the decision yet. “I don’t know yet because we just came out of the [plenary] session and I just saw it on the TV. I just know that the Court has decided,” he said.

The CBCP has nothing to do with the case that was filed against Celdran two years ago. It was the Manila Cathedral, under the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Manila, that pursued the case against him.

“More than anything else, love should prevail and we have learned our lessons in the process [that] respect should be given to every religion and respect places [of worship],” said Palma.

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  • Jane Tan

    Bahahahaha “the court has spoken and they could only respect its decision”. How about the RH Bill? The government and its people have spoken, why not respect this as well?

    Respect only when it suits you?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Does the church organize unruly demonstration against the RH Bill that you could say it does not respect? The church protest is only through prayers and sermons. I am a catholic christian and I know what I’m saying coz I heard it very Sunday mass the prayer for the respect of human life at the end of every mass.. Wala kang ipinagkaiba ni Celdran.

      • reddfrog

         You forgot about the threats of the clergy if the RH bill is passed? Or how about the demonstration wherein only 7,000 brainwashed sheep showed up instead of the hundreds of thousands the clergy was expecting?

        “Wala kang ipinagkaiba ni Celdran”

        ====> Better than being a pedophile and rapist supporter, no?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Why bother the specks on others eye when there is a log in your own eye.

      • bahaykubo1015

        Exactly…the DAMASOS should reflect on this….

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        They did their protest in a very orderly way.They did not violate any law. That is the difference with what Celdran did. He violated a law.

      • Jane Tan

        I fully agree that Celdran violated the law and should be jailed.

        In the same sense that the CBCP meddling with State affairs is in violation of the Constitution.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Meddling with the state affairs is not a violation of the constitution. E di ibig sabihin nyan lahat na lang ng nagrarally sa mendiola dapat hulihin. The separation of the Church and State was made by the US Congress to exempt the Government from religious biases .Ibig sabihin pingabawalan ng Congresso ang Gobyerno na kumiling kahit na kaninu mang Relihiyon. But it does not disallow the Church because the people in Government are also their members. I am not talking only of the Catholic Church.  here but also of other religions. Kaya nga meron ka minsan naririnig na block voting ng isang popular na relihiyon.

      • Jane Tan

        Since you want a more in-depth argument, I will indulge.
        I’m assuming that you are referring to the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. Its good that you understand that, because not many do. Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to make this argument.

        No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

        I’ll be simple. If the CBCP is going to oppose the passage of any law (namely, the RH Bill, which clearly, does not favor any specific religion) that doesn’t respect an establishment of religion (namely, theirs), then won’t every law that we pass be respecting an establishment of religion?

        So, it turns out that their meddling, does churn out laws that respect their establishment, which is against the Separation of Church and State.

        I’ve been wanting to ask this but I wasn’t sure who could answer.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        You stated the law on Separation of the Church and State very correctly, Jane. “No law shall be made respecting an establishment or religion” The Church does not pass laws so how can they be charged in violation of this law. The law did not mentioned that “no religion shall criticize any law passed by the government”. 

      • Jane Tan

        So, if the RH Bill is somehow repealed by the SC, we can charge the SC with being unconstitutional even though we all know that it was the CBCP’s influence that caused it.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        @Jane. If the RH bill is repealed that means the law is flawed. The    SC only interprets the law but they do not make it. You can charge the SC with grave abuse of discretion if you think they decided because of religious bias and not on merits.

      • Jane Tan

        I listened to mass and I heard a call-out to vote for anti-RH senators, which I thought was very distasteful.

        The Church organizes demonstration against the RH Bill everytime it encourages lay-groups to organize against it, everytime it encourages church-goers to vote against pro-RH senators, everytime it invites known-supporters to lunch, etc.

        When a felony is committed, the principal is also liable. I don’t see a difference between the principal in a felony and the CBCP in the RH issue.

        I’m not saying that what Celdran did was right/appropriate because I believe that he should be jailed for disobeying the law. But, I will stand by my statement that there is a whole lot of hypocrisy going around in the CBCP.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        That’s the responsibility of the clergy as the guardians of morality. Even Jesus taught the believing Jews not to follow the Pharisees and the Sadducee whose teachings are against the law of God.. Believe me, the triumph of this RH Bill is only short-lived.

      • Jane Tan

        Dictating one’s morality unto others is immoral.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        It is not dictating Jane. It is the doctrine that every Catholic has to live with. If you are against it there are other religion that does not espouse this belief. You can join them anytime. But as Catholics we are a bound to follow this doctrine.

      • Jane Tan

        Every Catholic has to force their beliefs unto others? I’m sorry, sir. But, last I recalled, we have what is called religious freedom here. I will admit that I do spread the faith through words and deed but I do not, by any circumstance, force it upon another like what the CBCP is doing right now.

        The relationship between the RH Bill and a zealous Catholic can be akin to an Indian and Mcdonalds. The Indian is not forced to eat at Mcdonalds, but that doesn’t mean he/she should deprive others of the Mcdonalds just because he/she can’t eat there.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        What do you mean by forcing it upon another like what the CBCP is doing right now?  Curious lang po.  Di po ba ang ginagawa nil ay:  nagsasalita about sa issue, nag rarally, etc.  Di ba eto rin ang ginagawa ng ibang groups like akbayan, gabriela, etc.  pag may issue silang gustong isulong, nagrarally sill, etc. So are these groups also forcing their issues upon another?  So what do mean by forcing it upon another like what the CBCP is doing right now?

      • Jane Tan

        I refer to the above analogy: Catholic and RH Bill to Indian and Mcdonalds.

        Mcdonalds DOES NOT FORCE the Indian to eat its burgers, etc. Just because the Indian can’t eat the burgers, doesn’t mean he/she should deprive the rest of the public of Mcdonalds’ burgers.

        The RH Bill DOES NOT FORCE the Catholic to use the contraceptives, to avail of the family planning, to subject their children to sex-ed, etc. Just because the Catholic, by their own virtues and beliefs, can’t do any of the above, doesn’t mean he/she should deprive the rest of the nation from the benefits of the RH Bill.

        By continuing to go against the RH Bill because of their beliefs (which, not everyone shares), the CBCP is indirectly imposing their beliefs and morals unto others.

        FYI, we rally when something we don’t like is forced upon us (i.e. Martial Law). The CBCP does not like the RH Bill, but they are not forced to partake of its benefits, should they choose not to.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        @Jane. The Church does not force its belief on anybody. When you attend mass, every priest would assume that you go there because you believe in the Catholic teaching. The priest, when he gives his  homily during the mass, he assumes he is talking to his flock of believers. The CBCP is talking to the Catholics when they ask to oppose the RH bill. If you are not a Catholic then you should not heed this call for this is not meant for you.

      • Jane Tan

        @ Dodjie, maybe you don’t understand where  I’m coming from or what I’m saying.

        You claim that the Church is not imposing its beliefs on anyone but they are actively making efforts to remove a person’s option to choose reproductive health. If they are what you say they are, they would instead allow this choice to push through and then strengthen their teachings so that their followers would continue to uphold their beliefs.

        What the Church is doing is giving a multiple choice question 1 + 1 and the choices are a) 0, b) 3, c) 4, d) 5. I’m not saying that the Church is removing the right answer. What I’m saying is that the Church is removing the answer that some of us want to choose.

        The Church is imposing its beliefs on the entire country. The Church’ opposition of free choice is not only inhumane but also unconstitutional.

        Simply put, if you are not trying to impose your beliefs on anyone and everyone living in the Philippines, don’t hinder the implementation of the RH Bill.

    • DirtyHarryLim

       Oo nga naman hahahhahaha.  Kapag pabor sa kanila ang decision they will say they could only respect its decision.  Tapos kapag hindi pabor sa kanila ang decision (e.g. RH Bill) sasabihin nila no reconciliation.  Tsk tsk tsk.  I’m losing a lot of trust to these people!.

  • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

    kalokohan. cno nangkaso kay celdra?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GEFKD23VGMA54XA4WH4R4AWQUM alfred

      dapat lang na makulong yan si Celdran…since na bastos naman siya dapat gawin nya yan sa mosque ng mga muslim para malaman niya kong ano ang kapalit ng kalokohan niya…may amag sa utak siguro yan…

  • filemon garcia

    Mga ipokrito talaga ang tropa ni Padre Damaso!! Wag nga kayo mag tanga tangahan!! Alam nyo yan!! Pari pa naman kayo pero napaka sinungaling nyo!!!

  • DirtyHarryLim

    Sana next na ang DIVORCE BILL

    • bahaykubo1015

      Sana nga!!!

  • Bantay Bukas

    “We can only love and forgive but the decision of the court is the court’s verdict on the matter … we just say amen to the decision,”  – or in other words, hindi pa nila talaga napapatawad si Celdran.
    Pero ang mas tamang katanungan dito ay, humingi na ba ng tawad ang simbahan ng kapatawaran sa mga Pilipino sa lahat ng pang aapi at karumaldumal na krimen na kanilang ginawa nula pa ng panahon ng Kastila hanggang sa kasalukuyan?  At kung humingi man ng tawad ay, pinatawad ba naman sila ng mga Pilipino?

    At sana naman ay balang araw (kung wala pang sumubok) ay may maghabla sa simbahan sa lahat ng krimen na nagawa nito sa sambayanang Pilipinas mula pa ng panahon ng mga Kastila, hindi lang para masubukan ang ating mga batas kundi para malagay on record ang mga krimen na ito.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Are we supposed to believe that the CBCP has nothing to do with the Archdiocese of Manila now?

  • reddfrog

    We forgive, but we want our revenge —- so said the hypocrites.

    • magiting78

      Did he say revenge???? “We can only love and forgive but the decision of the court is the court’s verdict on the matter … we just say amen to the decision,” Hnd nya nilabag ang simbahan nilabag nya ay karapatan ng mga taong nagdarasal n mag karoon ng tahimik n lugar…Ano pa man relihiyon mo ito ay iyong karapatan…hnd ba’t salahat ng sambahan nakalagay ” Pook samahan wag maingay kung s sasakyan wag bumusina”…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

    Mat. 7:15 Mangagingat kayo sa mga bulaang propeta, na nagsisilapit sa inyo na may damit tupa, datapuwa’t sa loob ay mga lobong maninila.

    • magiting78

      Cno cla..cno ang makakapag sabi cno ang totoo at cno ang huwad….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

        basahin ang Bibliya at malalaman kung sino sino sila…

      • magiting78

        Nag babasa ako ng bibliya tama ang iyong sinabi marami ang nag papanggap n sila ang sugo at tamang daan….subalit cno ang makakapag patunay kung sino ang totoo at tamang daan, lahat ay umaankin na sila.
        Ang saaking palagay cno man sila ang mahalaga ay ang iyong saloobin at ang iyong gawain ay naayon sa utos ng panginoon…At tanging sa takdang panahon lang natin malalaman cno ang maliligtas… Kaya ano man ang ating relihiyon kinaaniban marapat lamang na irespeto natin ang relihiyon ng iba….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

        kasi may mga bulag na tagaakay..Mat. 15:14…..at kung ang bulag ay umakay sa bulag, ay kapuwa sila manguhuhulog sa sa hukay…kaya kailangan ang Kristiyano matalino…maalam sa salita ng Dios para di maloko…

      • magiting78

        Tama…subalit marami ang nakakaalam ng bibliya at bawat salita ay naaayon s bibliya subalit ang kanilang gawain at pakikipag kapwa tao ay hnd naaayon sa kanilang sinasabi….Katoliko man ito o ibang relihiyon. Hnd cla n iiba sa mga Jews noon nagtuturo ng salita ng diyos subalit ang saloobin ay malayo sa itinuturo…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

        yun ang mga ipokrito…Titus 1:16..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    Morality in western societies were destroyed by the noisy minority such as gays, moral relativists and the like who happen generally belong to the rich as they feel self sufficient having almost everything in life while many faithful Christians opt to stay in the sideline for fear that they will be name called as bigots which we are not DEFINITELY. Celdran and others like him who are ksp’s should not be allowed to destroy our sense of right and wrong just like that by keeping silent even if they are violating with impunity simple good manners and worse the religious beliefs of some like us Catholics who happen to be the majority in this country. If wee keep passive, after RH will be divorce, then abortion and then gay marriage and later free love AND PROHIBITION OF PRAYING IN PUBLIC PLACES OUT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!. We have seen it in more advanced countries happening and if we do not want to follow them to the abyss where families are almost dysfunctional, we should be firm in defending our morals by speaking out for the good of our families and especially of our children..- a friendly advice

    • Jane Tan

      There’s an “advanced country” that forbids praying in public? o.O

    • politics201138

      Reynaldo Quijada:

      You are absolutely right!

      It is about time that Filipino population should start being educated that there is a world agenda to destroy religion especially Catholic religion and it is coming to the Philippines and the Filipino citizens should be made aware of it lest the culture of God-fearing Filipino will be a dust bin of history.

      Filipino people of all stripes should know and be made aware so that they would be able to discern a person talking or a group of organization’s agenda in the guise of “compassion,” “changing times,” “helping women from unbearable hardship” and what-not  to cast doubts on their Catholic belief.

      • panhase

         Who is out to destroy the Catholic religion? That is just a line used to make followers of this religion feel as of being under attack. People who feel that they are attacked shun logic and will go into a bunker mentality. The will get the feeling that every critical word is an attack against their faith when in truth it is not.
        Who wants to destroy the Church? who? Name some.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        You!!!!!

  • AntiAko

    How long is long ago? Obviously not that long ago so as to drop the case. And all you can say is amen to that? How contradictory and ironical.

    • bahaykubo1015

      Yes they all expect us to say amen to their lies….

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Why will you drop the case? He committed a wrongful act then he should be punished. Forgiving and yet being just should be the attitude here. 

      • http://twitter.com/NinWalter Moonbuster

        Dodjie your opinions are quite insightful; however I’m just curious on your take on pedophile/rapist/smuggler priests. How come I haven’t heard Filipino Catholic priest got jailed for it?

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        I am totally against the pedophile/rapist/smuggler priests. They should go to jail just the same. The answer to your next question should be directed to the courts handling those cases. I wouldn’t know why but I love to see a man in robe to be put behind bars because of these crimes to set an example to all.

      • http://twitter.com/NinWalter Moonbuster

         i think that should be a priority isn’t it? the gravity of their crime is much worse.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Yes. But I guess you need to ask the courts about it. And maybe media should also focused more on those filed cases. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/I6PP5AA42KYHWKAXUESVEUHO3U Arnel

    Tama ang decision ng Korte… Respect any religion

    • magiting78

      Hnd ang relihiyon ang dapat igalang kundi ang mga tao na naroroon upang magdasal karapatan nila n mag karoon ng tahimik at payapang lugar upang magsamba ano man ang relihiyon…Ito ang nakalimutan ni Ginoong Celdran hindi yung Pari ang binastos nya kundi yung mga naroroon na nag darasal ng taimtim….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AX6JJVDK2YVZ56DN4TTOMJFRHI Doods

    Dito natin makikita and DOUBLE STANDARD na sinasabi ng mga kapariang Katoliko.
    Pag ang batas or verdict ay naaayon sa kagustuhan nila, they will say AMEN.
    However, kung ang batas or issues ay di nila gusto, THEY WILL MOVE HEAVEN AND EARTH TO OPPOSE IT….
    Too bad…sabi nila ay pinatawad nila pero the mere fact na they turned as court witness to pin down Celdran is another thing…this is a clear sign of the modern Damasos. God forgives completely but these clergies dont…where is the moral authority here….

    • bahaykubo1015

      DOUBLE STANDARD TALAGA!!!!!!!

      Long forgiven na pala eh bakit hindi nai-withdraw ang kaso????
      MGA SINUNGALING NA DAMASOS

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

      God forgives those who repent and ask forgiveness. Is Celdran repentant? Does he ask forgiveness?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    It is really going to be hard to understand what the bishop said unless one embraces Christ Jesus’ teachings, specifically –
    a) Condemn the sin and not the sinner. Hope people remember about the adulteress about to be stoned to death by a lynching mob and Jesus bent and scribbled on the sand. As people gather around him and looked down what was being written, one by one backed off and dropped the stones they were holding. [Theologians surmised that Jesus wrote the sins of the people around him]. Jesus stood up and spoke – “Those without sin, cast the first stone.” We are called to resist evil and to love our neighbor as ourselves before we can say that we love God. “He who says he loves God but hates his brother (neighbor) is lying.” Thus, the bishop said the same thing about loving and forgiving. 

    b) “Render unto Caesar what belongs to him; render unto God what belongs to God.” The Catholic Church cannot simply give up in defending the faith by compromising the matter of contraception. Contraception contradicts conception which is God’s divine plan to create human lives. Many get confused about this to say that the Church backs off from matters on politics like the PCOS machines and massive fraud that happens in government (the latest of which is the 15-year old scam that people in Congress have kept quiet about distributing among themselves “savings” so that they can use for some incidental purpose like “maintenance and operational expenses”). On the other hand, we are called to respect the laws of the civilian authority like the verdict issued by the courts. The Church cannot intervene in this respect because that will only contradict to the command of Jesus to render what belongs to civilian authority. The bishop said the same thing as well on respecting the court’s decision.

    It is easy to put malice on every action by the CBCP and some who do gets away with it through this forum invoking their right to free expression but never about respecting the other freedom – exercising the religious liberty which Celdran disrespected and violated. This is the basis for the court’s verdict. While the Church has forgiven two years ago when Celdran said sorry after the incident (he did, did he not? but he enjoyed the instant fame and persisted to malign the bishops), he cannot escape the hold of civilian authority as the court has decided to sentence him to jail for some time. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Respeto lang ang dapat. Di pwede na may mga nagdarasal e papasok ang protesters.

  • Trisikad Driver

    dapat death pelnalty yan si Celdran………tingnan ko kung ano ang stand ng mag kabila..

    • bogli_anakdami

      ang aking suhestyon eh “ipako sa krus sa darating na biyernes santo”…

      anong sey mo?

  • mangtom

    Father  Damn-aso at pusa, kumusta na po kayo?

  • scolexx

    Pader, ikaw naman. parang hindi ka namumulitika sa loob ng simbahan mo? nababastos din mga miyembro mo kapag imbes na aral ng Dios ang ituro nyo eh puro pulitika ang dinadaldal nyo tuwing magsesermon kayo. Dapat sana ipagbawal mo sa mga kapwa mo pader ang pamumulitika sa loob ng simbahan – na lugar para sa mataimtim na pananalangin, lugar para sa aral ng Dios. dba? saka ko sasabihing hindi po kayo hipokrito. cge na ikulong nyo na si Celdran, pero dba dapat kasuhan din kayo? lalo na nung mga naggagalaiting pobreng katoliko na ipinagmimisa nyo at hinahalikan pa kayo sa kamay ni pandak at corona.. nakakabastos un dba?

    • bahaykubo1015

      Good work scolexx for standing up to Father or Monsignor Febien above.
      Balita ko naka-alert daw silang lahat na Pare na magbasa ng mga blogs at sagutin ito para hindi masasabi ng madla na sila ay napaka unpopular nga.
      So yong mga pro Catholic Church sa issue na ito, iimagine nyo na lang who is behind the computer typing, a possible pedophile priest… 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

    Kung sa ibang relihiyon ginawa yan ni Celdran agaw buhay syang lalabas! Sya pa lang ang gumawa ng ganyan! sabi may free speech at undemocratic ang hatol kay Celdran. Ibig sabihin pwedeng habang nagmimisa ay may protesters din na may placard pa! Pabayaan lang na may protesters habang nagmimisa dahil yan ang diwa ng demokrasya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    celdran jesuits love you sorry ka nalang di ka patatawarin ni DAMASO! mabuti nga at napahiya ang mga salot CBCP bishops mga sinungaling gus2 mag parami ng batang hubo salot ka!! satanas carnival tagle DAMASO!! OBISPO salot sa pilipinas! matatakaw mukang montero buwaya impokrito ka bishop oscar cruz muka kang galunggong obispo mga unyango parasite church!

  • dodong1

    The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines on Tuesday said the bishops have long forgiven tour guide Carlos Celdran but the court has spoken and they could only respect its decision. WHY DIDN’T THEY DROP THE CASE TWO YEARS AGO??

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      JESUITS LOVE YOU CELDRAN SALOT ANG OBISPO

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

    Most of the comments made below and in related articles are so full of hate….it’s saddening.
    This is a simple case of someone offending many, not just priests, by his theatrics in a place of worship and while people were in prayer. The act was simply wrong.

    If you think otherwise, think again, talk to someone you respect and get some good advice. Otherwise, watch TV , eat well and get some exercise. For some here, avoid missing a dose of your meds.

  • Jerry_SeinfeId

    CBCP, as a Catholic myself I implore you to check you ranks and your deeds these past months. Your decisions are borderline evil.

  • opinyonlangpo

    How convenient, thats the Roman Catholic CBCP for you. Amen to whatever that suits them, but vengeance to those who doesn’t go with their wishes. The verdict is right but these liars should not say that Celdran was forgiven long ago otherwise he wouldn’t have ended in jail.

  • $37644997

    Why are the child molestors/rapists of the catholic church not going to jail?maybe because the courts of law knows better that they are going to hell.

  • bogli_anakdami

    noong linggo eh , ang misa dito ni kaksaker padre dumbasso tungkol sa susunod na botohan…

    ako’y nabwiset… kaya di ako nagbigay ng abuloy na piso doon sa basket… bwiset…

    ibinili ko na lang ng bananakyu, nabusog pa ako, di ba?

  • Filipinoflash

    HYPOCRITE! 

    If you have forgiven Celdran, you could have withdrawn the case by executing an affidavit of desistance.  Lets be real here, Palma. Hindi kami bobo para mapaniwala sa mga pambobola mo.

  • Filipinoflash

    Palma! Your a big liar! Forgive kamo? Pwe!

  • boybakal

    The court ruling is wrong.
    Celdran was just exercising Freedom of Expression….besides Padre Damaso is just a fiction, only imagination or guniguni.
    How could there be violation on something that is not real.
    The judge must be hallucinating.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    mr.palma pwee! salot liar!! obispo salot sa pilipinas jesuits satanas carnival tagle damaso!

  • tamakajan

    Ang tao nagkakamali, intensyon man nya o hindi.
    Kung pinawalang sala si Celdran ng mga nagkaso sa kanya, malaki ang porsyento na manunumbalik yan sa simbahang katoliko. Pero mukhang naninindigan ang mga pari na pahirapan si Celdran.
    Pinapakita lang nila na dapat parusahan si Celdran – pero sinabi nila na pinatawad na sya, meron bang ganun? Papatawarin kita pero lalatiguhin muna kita. Sa palagay nyo kaya liliit ang galit nya sa simbahan?
    Masakit mang tanggapin, kelangan patawarin ng totoo si Celdran at palayain, maging modelo sa nakakarami ang mga alagad ng Diyos. Bahala na ang kunsensya nyang mag-usig sa sarili nya.

  • barako22

    read the CNN news
    Lawyers for Catholic hospital argue that a fetus is not a person

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      batas na po ang RH bill, so lets move on and leave that issue aside. The hot issue in this thread is guilty verdict against Celdran

      • bahaykubo1015

        Eh yong guilty verdict against pedophile priests and bishops KAILAN KAYA YON????  HA HA HA

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:

    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?

    Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • barako22

      kung ganun kasuhan at ikulong ang lahat ng paring nagkasala 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        No one is above the law. Kung may mga paring nagkasala sa batas, e dapat kasuhan. Suportado kita dyan. Lahat ng nagkasala sa batas dapat papanagutin.  So Celdran must go to jail!

  • Noel

    Another contradiction by the Catholic leaders.  In one recent media interview, Arch. Cruz said for Celdran to be forgiven, all he needs to do is talk to Cardinal Tagle.  Now, another Bishop is saying Celdran was already forgiven.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MR.PALMA PWE! DAMASO! OBISPO SALOT SA PILIPINAS!! IMPOKRITO KA BISHOPS

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • panhase

       We do not have double standard? Since when?

    • napali808

      What Cedran did was foolish, but not a crime…stealing large sum of money from the people is, child molesting is, ivory smuggling is, etc. Singapore has a very small population compared to PH and they’re don’t have any RC bishops who free load and hold their progress back.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        It is the judge who found Celdran guilty of  violating a part of the Revised Penal Code, thus what he did was crime.  If there is something wrong with that part of the Revised Penal Code, let it be stricken out but doing it the proper way.  Now, unless, it is not taken out from there, it is still a law, and thus must be respect by anyone.

        I concur with what you say that stealing large sum of money from the people, child molesting, ivory smuggling are crimes. And anyone ( even priests, bishops, pastors, ministers or imam) who did such must be held answerable before the law, but still observing due process.

        The discipline of the Singaporeans is an important aspect of their economic growth. And we should strive to do the same, if we want to progress.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        So why are the singaporeans compliant and obedient and the Filipinos are not?  So who should be blamed and be made accountable bakit tayo nagkaroon ng mga DECADENT VALUES and MORALITY?  Dapat sisihin natin ang ating mga magulang, by not teaching us the right values and morality.  AT LALONG sisihin iyang mga PARI, dahil pumalpak sila kanilang tungkulin in guiding the FLOCK.  Kaya naging ganito kasama ang mga values at morality nating mga pilipino.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I agree with you: it is because of our decadent values and morality, that the Philippines has not progressed much.  But should we continue in blaming our parents, priests for not teaching us the proper values?  We are grown-ups already, and we can now decide to do what is right or wrong!

      • Jane Tan

        Tell that to the people who rob, kill and kidnap.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        kaya nga dapat magtulungan tayo para maayos ang bansa natin

    • JOSE RIZAL

       may kaso ba ang magsabi ng totoo? masama ang sinungaling di ba?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        It is the judge who found Celdran guilty of  violating a part of the Revised Penal Code, thus what he did was crime.  If there is something wrong with that part of the Revised Penal Code, let it be stricken out but doing it the proper way.  Now, unless, it is not taken out from there, it is still a law, and thus must be respected by anyone.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Then drop the case, you PR*CK.

  • $14170612

    catholic is a primitive religion 

  • $14170612

    how about burning effigy with the face of the president,that judge must be crazy influence by this satanic church

    • JOSE RIZAL

      mismo.

  • napali808

    This is a typical response from the vindictive coneheads. You guys call yourselves spiritual leader or shepherd of the flock. Shame on you cause you repeatedly lie to us. We are not fools. We know what’s going on in your little brain. We have forgiven Cedran…sure. When it comes to child molesting or ivory smuggling priests, you say they have been forgiven by God and then you move them to another parish. The sick priests molest more kids. Sickening…

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    They have long forgiven Celdran daw, but they have not dropped the case. PATAWA mga EPOKRITO.

    Ahem, mga pari, ang sinabi ni HESUS, we will be judged by the same yardstick we used in judging others. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

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      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Following that kind argument also ASK THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE APPLY THE PENALTY OF IMPRISONMENT TO THOSE WHO COMMITTED CEDULA TAX EVASION, because almost everybody understate in the payment of their CEDULA TAXES?

        ABIR, SAGOTIN MO IYAN.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        It is stated in the law the crimes  and the specific punishment to be given.  Hindi naman po lahat ng crimes pareparehas ang parusa.  Tingnan mo ang ating batas.  Ang parusa na ipinapataw ng batas ay nakadepende sa klase at bigat ng krimen. at nakasulat po yan sa batas. Kaya hindi po pwedeng mag imbento ng parusa ang mga huwes.  For example, Hindi mo pwedeng ipataw ang parusa ng murder sa mga taong nag over speeding lang!

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        patawa ka ba?

        who says NON CEDULA PAYMENT is not punishable by imprisonment. basahin mo ang ACT 655

        Section 1. Section thirty of Act Numbered One hundred and thirty-three, entitled “An Act to amend the Provincial Government Act, Numbered Eighty-three,” is hereby amended by adding at the end thereof the following words:
        “Provided, however, That the provincial treasurer may, in his discretion, enforce the collection of the cedula tax and penalty, after the same shall remain delinquent for fifteen days, by causing the delinquent to be prosecuted before the president of the municipality in which the delinquent shall reside for such delinquency, and upon conviction the person so delinquent shall be sentenced to imprisonment for five days, and such imprisonment shall be deemed a satisfaction of the tax and penalty and entitle the person so convicted, at the expiration of his imprisonment, to the cedula certificate as though the tax and penalty had been paid in money.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Now you have provided the answer to why many people do not honestly pay their cedulas. Because the law is not being enforced strictly.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        So again, your issue of being DOUBLE STANDARD, nasaan na?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Kung ako ang nasa position, I would still insist of prosecuting even just those who do not pay honestly their cedulas.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Ok. I understand you do not believe in the word forgiveness, but I tell you, God said He will be judging us using the same yardstick in we used in judging others.  Kung hindi ka naniniwala sa aral iyan. Nasa sa iyo na iyan.

  • JOSE RIZAL

    paano nyo napatawad kung tuloy ang kaso? ipokrito kayo. wala ng turn the other cheek? romano nga kayo sa ugali. uwi na kayo sa vatican.

    • cvluarca

       e kung sa mosque nya kaya ng muslim ginawa yun habang mey ritual na nangyayari sa simbahan nila? saan kaya pupulutun yan? e kung sa bahay mo kaya mey mambastos at guluhin ang party ng anak mo? hindi mo kaya tawagin ang pulis at pahuli yan? okay, patawarin sya, pero ibig bang sabihin ay hindi na sya mananagot sa ginawa nya? e kung si gma kya ang patawarin natin, okay lang hindi ba? pero sa pagpapatawad natin, okay lang ba na itago na lang nya lahat ng ninakaw sa kaban ng bayan? okay lang magpatawad lalo na sa mga humihingi ng tawad. pero humingi ba ng tawad si celdran? hindi ba sabi nya hindi nya pinagsisisihan ang ginawa nya? at kahit na patawarin pa sya, ganon nalang yun? walang parusa? marami na ngang criminal dito, lalo pang dadami sa ganong klaseng kapatawaran! kung sa labas ng simbahan nya ginawa yun, ok lang sana! pero mey misa sa loob ng simbahan nya ginawa! hindi lang ba tama na pagbayarin nya yun pangugulo at disrecpect nya? kung sa classroom ng eskwela nya ginawa yun habang mey klase (catolico man o hindi na eskwela) e, kung hindi sya nasuspinde, ewan ko nalang! o baka ma-expel pa sya!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

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    • Bisdak_kaayo

      Dapat mapuno ang KULUNGAN ng lahat ng mga PINOY dahil almost everbody is cheating TAXES.  Have you asked yourself Did you not understate your Cedula Taxes once in your life?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        I did not understate that.  Why will I do that?  I can afford to pay!

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Maybe you are righteous and obedient in paying your cedula taxes, but did you ask the question ARE THE MAJORITY OF OTHERS OBEDIENT? The kind of cheating government officials we have is the reflection of the kind of constituents who elected them who are also mostly tax evaders.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Yun na nga at ayokong gayahin sila.  Dapat magsimula tayo sa sarili natin… kasi kung hindi wala ng pag asa ang bansa natin

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        ayaw mo mang gayahin, you could be a small minority having that principle.  What is important is to change every filipino’s value dahil iyan ang problema.  Nagkamali ang ating mga magulang at kaparian sa pangangaral sa atin.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        ang ibig bang sabihin nun, dahil ay minority ang gumgawa ng tama sa bansang eto, wala na tayong pag-asa? hindi na natin pwedeng ma realize ang tuwid na daan ng pangulo?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        matuwid na Daan ng Pangulo? Diyos ba siya na infallible? Whats the reason na babalik si Cristo and to put and end to this worldly system at papalitan niya ng kanyang pamamahala kung kaya pang ituwid ng mga tao?

      • Jane Tan

        hahaha problema dito ay kaysa yung nagbabayad ang gayahin, yung hinde nagbabayad ang ginaya hahahaha

    • samarutan

      NO TO DOUBLE STANDARDS! Ibasura ang kaso laban kay Carlos Celdran katulad ng pagbabasura ng mga korte sa mga kaso  laban sa mga tiwaling opisyal at kawani ng gobyerno!

  • $38346712

    Too much about forgiveness. What about repentance?

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      Bakit majority ba ng mga PARI may kaso ng child abuse nakulong ba?  Naparusahan ba? O inilipat lang ng ibang parokya?  O dinaan lang nila sa arreglo?

      Patawa ka ba?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        nagiging tama at legal na ba ang krimen na nagawa ni Celdran, dahil may nagawa ding krimen ang mga pari?  Lahat dapat managot maging pari, obispo, pastor, ministro o imam ka man.  Kaya si Celdran dapat ay makulong.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        They evade imprisonment, because nagmamakaawa sila sa mga victima nila, offering them compensation in the spirit of forgiveness kuno.  Asan na ng forgiveness na ipinangaral nila sa mga victima nila? ngayon sila na ang victima, wala na ang forgiveness. Mga epokrito.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Sabihin na nating epkrito nga, pero going back to Celdran’s case, nagiging tama at legal na ba ang krimen na nagawa ni Celdran, dahil may nagawa ding krimen ang mga pari?
        parang ang labas nun, kung ako ay nakagawa ng krimen sa kapwa ko, at yung nagawan ko ng krimen ay may nagawa ding krimen, ang ibig bang sabihin nun quits na lang lahat?

      • bahaykubo1015

        Mixed up ka nga talaga
        .
        So you really think sexual abuse of children by our clergymen roughly equivalent to the small offense done by Celdran?????
        Mixed up talaga like the DAMASOs

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ASO KA NI DAMASO SI CELDRAN NAG SASABI LANG SIYA NG TOTOO HA YOP KA DAMASO SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DEMONYO! MABUHAY KA CELDRAN JESUITS IS NOT 4GIVE

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        weeee ang OA mo naman, pinag-uusapan lang ang issues dito.  Uulitin ko,  no one is above the law. maging pari, obispo, pastor, minister o imam, basta lumabag sa batas, dapat papanagutin sa sa batas. So since si Celdran a lumabag sa batas, ay dapat lamang makulong! heheheh

      • Jane Tan

        if you say so… feel free to go after the pedophile priest who are trying to hide their heinous acts =)

      • bahaykubo1015

        Nadali mo siya, 100 likes

  • w33k3nd3r

    Plastic! Then why is the case still pursuing Celdran? Hypocrites!

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    In summary, PRIESTS when they have child abuse victims, they TALK ABOUT FORGIVENESS, ngayong sila na ang BIKTIMA they dont want to talk about forgiveness.

    MGA EPOKRITO.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Sabihin na nating epokrito nga, pero going back to Celdran’s case, nagiging tama at legal na ba ang krimen na nagawa ni Celdran, dahil may nagawa ding krimen ang mga pari?
      parang ang labas nun, kung ako ay nakagawa ng krimen sa kapwa ko, at yung nagawan ko ng krimen ay may nagawa ding krimen, ang ibig bang sabihin nun quits na lang lahat?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        I don’t have any qualms about the issue of LEGALITY. The mere fact it is decided by the court, it went through legal proceedings.  ANG ISSUE ko dito ang pagka EPOKRITO nila sa pangangaral nila sa saliting FORGIVENESS.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HAYOP KA!! DAMASO JESUITS NOT FORGIVE! SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE ASO PWE! BISHOP PALMA HYPOCRITE!! DOBLE STANDARD KA SINO INUUNGOY MO SARILI MO! LINOKO MO! CBCP BISHOPS EXTREMIST KATOLIBAN CHURCH TERRORIST LIAR!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QVR2HMWEPWZA4TV2Z2Q7BYF36A January

       Hoy bading,,tirahin mo sariling puwit mo….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      Subukan mong ikulong lahat ng Cedula Tax cheaters, mapakain mo ba sa silang lahat sa loob ng kulungan.  Do you have enough resources to feed them?  And do you think our country will be productive if majority are in the prison cells?  Its not that easy as you think it is.  The root cause of the problem in the Philippines is our values and morality.

    • Ivlivs

      Celdran was charged and convicted for an offense that appears to be against freedoms granted in the constitution. True, Celdran was disrespecful. True, he disrupted a religious function. So he deserves to be punished. But not for “Offending the religious feelings . . . in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” The crime defined here is vague. What does “Offending religious feelings” mean? Or “during the celebration of ANY religious ceremony”? Or “notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful”? What if Celdran displayed his opinion in a prayer rally (is this a “religious ceremony”?) in a public plaza?

      • NinjaMan

         how can that be vague? it’s in the constitution. you moron.

      • Jane Tan

        I’d have to concede that, by flashing the “Damaso” sign, he humiliated the priest, and that is offensive. A prayer rally in a public place lacks the requisite of “place of worship”.

        Don’t get me wrong. I don’t support what the CBCP are doing but disrespecting them during worship is a whole new low. Its pretty much like graffiti. I don’t think you’d want someone spray-painting obscene words on the side of your house or on your door/windows.

        We call upon the separation of the Church and the State when dealing with the anti-RH. Here is the test of our convictions. The State has spoken. There is no need to stoop as low as the opposition. There is no need to break the law. There is no need to turn into hypocrites.

      • onionskinned

        The law is the law.  Now that we know that this kind of law still exist, let Celdran be the last person to be prosecuted with this law.  We now have to pressure congress to repeal this law and that’s it.  Celdran still has to serve out his sentence based on the law.

    • Guest

      Your question doesn’t make sense: Carlos Celdran was not accused of anything to do with corruption, neither is he a politician of any sort.

    • bahaykubo1015

      You’ve got it all mixed up that’s why you’ve lost your sense of proportion

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Sa mga taong hindi naniniwala sa salitang FORGIVENESS RITO.

    ito lang ang masasabi ko.

    God said He will be judging us using the same yardstick in we used in judging others. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CELDRAN AY HERO PARANG SI RIZAL NAG SASABI LANG SIYA NG 22O BAKIT KAILANGAN IPAKULONG SIYA NI JESUITS AT NI SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO CBCP BISHOPS SALOT SA PILIPINAS CELDRAN MABUHAY KA TUNAY KA PILIPINO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QVR2HMWEPWZA4TV2Z2Q7BYF36A January

       Hero ba,,hehehe,,tunay kabang Pilipino na binabastos mo ang pagka Pilipino mo,,,,masarap ba ang Nanay mo?

    • NinjaMan

       220? LOL

  • samarutan

    Let the case be brought up to the level of Supreme Court. If the SC’s decision will still be adverse against Carlos Celdran, he has nothing to worry about. Pnoy can grant him absolute pardon with express provision on restoration of his civil and political rights.And Carlos Celdran will have the last laugh, my friends!

  • UrHONOR

    HOHOHOOHO…..what a left-handed forgiveness!

    KUNG sabagay, lahat ng mga naka-sayang puti na nang-molestiya ng mga batang lalake at pinatawad na din noon pa ng mga biktima nila….PERO, sa BAYARAN ng damages, walang tawad….tapat na yon.

    “O sige, pinatatawad na kita sa pag-sapok mo sa akin”, sabi ni Kembot kay Entot…….sabay hamabalos ni Kembot ng 2 por 2 sa ulo ni Entot.  “Akala ko ba pinatawad mo na ako sa pag-sapok ko sa iyo…..bakit hinambalos mo pa ako ng 2×2 sa ulo?”  “OW, wala yon….yan yong brotherly at christian love na tinatawag.  Nsaktan ka ba? LOL!”

  • bahaykubo1015

    Balita ko naka-alert daw silang lahat na Pare na magbasa ng mga blogs at sagutin ito para hindi masasabi ng madla na sila ay napaka unpopular nga.
    So yong mga pro Catholic Church sa issue na ito, iimagine nyo na lang who is behind the computer typing, a possible pedophile priest… 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    The church should stop MEDDLING in government affairs or suffer the WRATH of the People.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    Bishops have long forgiven Celdran, says CBCP exec
    …..talaga eh bakit makukulong si “DAMASO” Celdran kung pinatawad na ninyo?

  • swizcheez333

    If you have forgiven him, you should have withdrawn your case before it came to this. You continue to be hypocrites… I stopped going to Catholic Church. 

    • Che Court

      then dont go to the church. problema ba nila yan… that is what we call justice. when you forgive, make sure that person realize his sin. then allow him to make reparation. kung ang mga marcoses humingi ng patawad tapos pinatawad natin dahil kunwari “kristiano” tayo, quits na ba? hahahaha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/J4RYR7XL6H6HMYXOVUNNPMHYZY Jerry Mag-wire

        Catholics and Christians are two different beings..

  • swizcheez333

     Carlos was against the Filipino  Catholic priests for meddling with RH Bill not the Catholic religion in itself…That is totally two different things.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    damaso wag ninyo hawakan sa leeg ang gobyerno drop na ninyo yung kaso kay celdran jesuits is not 4give nag sasabi lang naman ng 22o si celdran dumarami ang batang hubo sa kalye siguro akala ni bishops ang pinas ay poultry ng mga batang hubo! CBCP DOBLE STANDARD LIAR PWE!

  • indiosbravos2002

    Tama ba yon? Forgiven pero may kaso. Pardoned pero may conditions. Anak ng… Bishops talaga ngayon, kawalang kwenta. Im just saying because this a good opportunity for the bishops to score some brownie points with the public. Yon nga lang, i think gigil pa sila kay Celdran for being a hardcore pro-RH.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SIRA ULO OBISPO ITO FORGIVEN PERO MAY KASO SINUNGALING NA UNYANGO!

  • Che Court

     Matthew 5:26 I tell you the truth, you will not get out of JAIL until you have paid the last penny.   

  • Jarred Pulido

    Ok Mr. Bishop. But the people has spoken regarding the RH LAW. Please respect our peoples decision.

  • JohnDoeGB

    Ang pagpapatawad ay malaki ang pagkakaiba sa consequence ng pagkakasala. Hindi ginalang ni Celdran ang simbahan at ang pagmimisa kaya may consequences ito ayon sa batas natin. Uu at napatawad na sya ng mga namumuno ng simbahan pero nananatili pa rin ang consequence sa ginawa nyang paglabag sa batas. Isang malaking kamalian ang pag-aassume na wala ng consequence kung ikaw ay papatawarin lalo na na hindi personal ang nagawang pagkakasala. Sana maiintindihan ito ng marami dahil simple lang naman intindihin at hindi na mambabastos pa.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    CBCP admits they have more than 200 PEDOPHILE priests in their ranks.That is your Moral Compass.

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