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Aquino seeks forgiveness for Celdran

By |, Jocelyn R. Uy


Carlos Celdran. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

President Aquino believes the leadership of the Catholic Church should forgive activist tour guide Carlos Celdran but he was quick to point out he was not necessarily in favor of his rather unorthodox methods.

“Well, I may sympathize with Mr. Celdran’s position—perhaps the methodology during a Mass we don’t agree with it,” said Mr. Aquino in an ambush interview after he delivered a speech at the National Economic and Development Authority in Pasig City Tuesday.

Celdran was found guilty of offending religious feelings and was sentenced to up to a year in prison by a Manila Metropolitan Trial Court on Monday.

Dressed like the national hero Jose Rizal, Celdran had stood before the main altar of the Manila Cathedral during an ecumenical service last year and, yelling, raised a placard with the name “Damaso” on it—disrupting the service and earning the ire of the clergy and the faithful.

Damaso is the villain-priest in Rizal’s novel “Noli Me Tangere,” which depicted the abuses of the Spanish friars during the time the Philippines was a colony of Spain.

Asked if he had any thoughts about the possible implication of the court decision on the practice of the freedom of speech, Mr. Aquino replied: “Let’s look at all the details first. Again, I saw it (decision) in the papers. I haven’t had the occasion to read the decision. I’m not afforded (a copy of) decisions before they are promulgated. So we have to secure the copy (first).”

But Mr. Aquino pointed out that freedom of expression had its limits too.

“Let’s see if there are implications. Of course, there is a constitutional provision on freedom of speech, but our rights have limitations as to what we can say, and where we can say it,” he said.

The clergy, however, had long forgiven Celdran but the court has spoken and they could only respect its decision, Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president and Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma said at a church forum in Intramuros, Manila, on Tuesday.

“We can only love and forgive but the decision of the court is its verdict on the matter … we just say amen to the decision,” said Palma.

Palma was asked his thoughts on the guilty verdict handed down by MTC Judge Juan Bermejo Jr. on Celdran for violation of  Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code, or offending religious feelings.

Asked if the CBCP would appeal to the court to let Celdran off the hook, Palma replied: “We respect the decision of the court. It’s not for me to oppose.”

He also could not say if the penalty meted out to Celdran was harsh since he had not read the decision.

“I don’t know yet because we just came out of the [plenary] session and I just saw it on TV. I just know the court has decided,” he said.

The CBCP had nothing to do with the case that was filed against Celdran. It was the Manila Cathedral, under the jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Manila, that pursued the case.

Celdran had mounted his protest against the Church’s opposition to the reproductive health bill then pending in Congress.

The measure became law last December when it was signed by Mr. Aquino without fanfare to avoid exacerbating the rift between the administration and the Catholic Church over his support of the bill.

Originally posted: 4:59 pm | Tuesday, January 29th, 2013


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  • tiriring

    Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    Celdran may be forgiven, but he must still serve the sentence.

  • scorpio15

    Mas MASAHOL ka pa sa mga sinasabi mo Sugbuanon86. Parate mo nalang ina-apakan yang Utak mo.

  • prince_janus

    Celdran deserves the decision although he is forgiven.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

    nasan yung 20 plus na likes mo na package deal sa post mo? itodo mo na kaagad yung liked mo, hiya hiya ka pa, mamaya di yan maging most popular babawian ka ng binayad sa yo, ikaw din…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T5EQG5T54JC6TQOOKJSCU6MQJQ Diego

    Are you on drugs?

  • Guest

    Aquino should defend his fellow homosexual Carlos Celdran. Kung hindi, uubusin sila ng simbahan.

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    He he he he ……ano ba ito???? Mr. Celdran has no WRONG DOING MR. PRESIDENT…..he is just a representation of dissatisfied catholics like me for the INJUSTICE of DAMASO & ESKRIBAS OF THE PHILIPPINES…..mR. cELRDAN just chooses the RIGHT TIME & VENUE to express the feelings of others…. because the DAMASO & ESKRIBAS has no right & preveledge to be RESPECTED! Lets go back to history….during building of Cathedrals & bISHOPS pALACES…. HOW MANY PILIPINOS DIED DURING THAT CENTURIES? HOW MANY MINORS THAT ARE VICTIMS of ABUSES???? Yong mga bata ngayon siguro mapaniwala nila na sila ay mabuti…subalit yong mga bata nuon at matanda na ngayon at nagbabasa na ng Bagong Tipan at inaalam ang mga pang aapi ng mg DAMASO at ESKRIBAS sa ating bansa…..NO WAY NA MANIWALA PA!

    • lapasan

      You say you are a Catholic. Are you really? or just pretending to be one. No Catholic faithful will disrespect a church service like what Celdran did. You also write “.. he is just a representation of dissatisfied catholics like me for the INJUSTICE of DAMASO & ESKRIBAS OF THE PHILIPPINES…” Tell the other commenters here what specific injustice was done to you by the Catholic Church and the priest or religious leaders. It’s assuming and presumptuous for you to say that majority of the Catholics are dissatisfied with their church. Do you represent the opinion of the majority of the Catholics? I may agree that many Catholics are supportive of the RH law. But it does not follow that they are alienated with their church or their religious leaders. I think that most Catholics are always respectful of their church and their religious leaders although they may disagree on some social issues.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      wrong doing! anak ng tipaklong! isa ka pa!

    • $5699914

       What you are pushing is for anarchy to reign in society.
      And you are doing it by spreading half-lies and half-truths about the issue…..black propaganda ang tawag doon….

      Kung ayaw ninyo sa Katoliko, no problem. Hindi naman kayo pinipilit maniwala o sumang-ayon. Hindi rin kayo hinihikayat na maging katoliko.

      Pero yung bastusan na laban na ang gagawin ninyo at magsasabog kayo ng mga kasinungalingan, aba’y humanda rin kayo kung sasagutin kayo at haharapin ng mga magtatanggol sa katolisismo. Patas, lang, di ba?

      • observer1356

         tama… respeto lang dapat sa kahit anong paniniwala — katoliko, born-again, muslim, etc… paggalang sa isa’t-isa ang nararapat

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Tama laban mga katoliko! sobra na kayong naaapi! di kayang gawin ni Celdran yan sa ibang relihiyon kinakaya nya ang mga katoliko! Alam nya na kahit bastusin nya ay patatawarin sya! Its about time to show the people of the Philippines the power of the church! Majority rules!!! sugoooooddd!!!!

  • generalproblem

    hindi lang ang pari o simbahan ang binastos nya kundi ang lahat ng tao na nagsisimba. i suggest firing squad yang animal na yan ng di pamarisan tulad ng ginawa kay rizal total lagi naman syang nakasuot ng tulad nung suot ni rizal. sobra sobra na ang ginagawa nyan porket mabait ang simbahan.

    • ben

      Siguro ikaw ang re-incarnation ni Padre Damaso.

      • generalproblem

        ako nga

      • observer1356

        ok ka! HA HA HA HA HA (liked ko na yan)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU yahoo-F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU

       Tama! I-firing squad yan! But I think we have to remember that he who has no sin shall fire the first bullet!

      • generalproblem

        lahat tayo may kasalanan pero yang ugok na yan eh binastos ang community na nagsimba kaya firing squad na yan

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU yahoo-F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU

         So we defend the Church and the Eucharist by killing people?

      • generalproblem

        yes dyan lang sa isang yan firing squad yan ng malaman nya kung sino talaga si damaso

      • tiriring

        Celdran: I forgive you, general…

      • observer1356

        “Killing people” – was it not what the CRUSADES did ages ago?

  • Pitbulldog

    Napaka-ipokrito ng hunghang na plastic na pangulong ito.  So you have the guts to ask the Church to forgive Celdran, engot. By the way,how many people have asked you before to be soft and to take it slow against your enemies, did you heed them?  Do you really understand what mercy is?  Hindi, dahil retarded ka.  Papogi ka na naman Mongo ka.  We know that the Church is much gentler than you and with or without you asking them, there is a better chance they would forgive that idiot later. 

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        same feather flock together….to the rescue of Celdran!

      • tiriring

        Pres Noynoy: You are forgiven too, iho…

    • mrcrabdribble

      eh ikumpara mo naman yung ginawa ni Celdran sa mga sinasabi mong ‘enemies’ ni P-noy. hindi naman nandaya sa eleksyon, nanloko ng mamamayan o nagnakaw ng limpak limpak na salapi eto. OA mo ha. 

      • Pitbulldog

        Ano ba ang ikukumpara mo, aber?  Itong si Celdran, guilty as charged.  Itong mga kalaban ni P-noy, puro alegasyon lang at ni wala ngang tiyak na ebidensiya na ginawa nila ang mga akusasyong iyon.  In short, imahinasyon lang ng timang na pag-iisip ng idol mo.

  • PepingCo

    Has Mr Celdran acknowledged that what he did was wrong and asked forgiveness for it? As publicly he denounced the Catholic Church inside an a service at that, he then should publicly apologize and humbly admit his wrongdoing. Kung katoliko siya, mangumpisal muna siya. Kung hindi, he has no business doing what he did. Then we can clamor for his forgiveness.

  • Mattino2011

    Bigyan na lang penance 1 million times na bigkasin Forgive me sa church

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hahaha….cge simulan mo! simulan mo sabi!

  • XY ZEE

    “Do unto others that you would want others to do unto you”

  • $5699914

    Forgiven, okay….but still he must serve time as per court punishment. (Ali Agca was forgiven by the Pope, but he remained in jail as per the law of the land prescribed)

    Anyway, Celdran is not repentant about his actions, so why do we offer generosity to someone who is not asking for it?

    • mrcrabdribble

      Didn’t he apologize?

      • $5699914

         Apology and repentance are two different things…

    • panhase

      Did not Jesus say love your neighbor as you love yourself?
      The neighbor is the one among us, it´s not the one we choose to be our neighbor. And Jesus did not say to love the neighbor only if he repents.

      • $5699914

         Yes, He did say those words (or to that effect).
        So what is your point then, concerning Celdran?

      • panhase

         Try to think for yourself, maybe you will reach a conclusion.

      • $5699914

        Really???
        Golly wow! Heavy!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3SHGRXPJCAF4OTQ673ARMKMYGE ricky sanoria

        Love others including your enemies, yes! But forgiveness is a different thing. Forgiveness is only granted to a person (1) who asks for it, (2) had truly repented for his misdeeds, and (3) had done the appropriate and sufficient reparations for his sins. Celdran practically had not done any of these 3 basic requirements.

      • panhase

         Please be so kind to show where Jesus stated these are basic requirements.
        And you say forgiveness is a different thing from love, So you mean to say when you love a person you do not forgive? Love does not include forgiveness?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

        babaw ng logic mo.

  • ed_nique

    Pope John Paul II forgave the man who shot him but the man still had to serve his penalty.

    i presume mr. celdran carefully thought out his actions and he knew that he should be responsible for it’s consequences. has he shown remorse? did he say he regretted doing it?

    the church may forgive him, the people present at the mass may forgive him, that is their right to do or not to do. who knows they might have already done so, it’s the christian way to do.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      mga bobo kasi. 

      tapos sakyan pa ng born again line of thinking, lalong naging tangingot!

      Forgive yes! Sins, he should PAY!

      • ed_nique

        read another article here that he apologized and was forgiven.

        some comments here are showing their bias. they conveniently forget where and at what time this dude did his “protest”.

  • http://twitter.com/kintoy Boardinggate101.com

    forgive, but keep him in jail. maybe the RH law will provide him with condoms while he’s in jail

  • magiting78

    He is already forgiven Mr. President…but still he violated the law of men…

    • mrcrabdribble

      So you’re saying, God forgave, but men in cloth should not? (The judge was a priest I heard.)

      • tiriring

        Really… then Celdran will forgive the judge/priest nalang e.

      • magiting78

        If you serve the sentence on crime you committed it doesn’t mean you haven’t forgiven…He still have to serve the sentence on the crime he committed other anyone of us commit crimes ask forgiveness..Ang kay Ceasar ay para ki Ceasar ang Para s Panginoon ay para sa Panginoon…let us not mix these two things…

      • INQ415

        judge and priest? conflict of interest?

  • Gilmore Santiago

    wag…mas masaya kung patuloy nilang supilin si ginoong celdran…mabuhay si padre damaso!

  • josesantos318

    Pnoy, the church will pardon celdran if you withdraw the RH law. But then let celdran make that decision. , I think he would rather go to jail and capitalize on it. He eventually becomes a martyr in the eyes of the majority of the Filipino people. The church better prepare for the backlash of this incident, which will become good copy and come out in the international press. The damaso’s issue will come out, how the spanish friars took advantage of their position and molested the filipino women thereby siring countless heirs. The “molesting” issue of the clergy will be revived, and a comparison of the clergy today and the friars before would reveal nothing has changed after 600 years of the church in the Philippines.
    I would suggest celdran forego the appeal and instead go to jail. Just think of the huge publicity this will generate. Celdran will become a famous man internationally.

    • tiriring

      It’s His plan, iho jose….
      Don’t go against it…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Abnoy!

    Forgive yes! Sins, he should PAY!

    • observer1356

      YOU-LOL!

      It was a wise reaction of P-Noy to appeal to the Catholic religious leadership in a reconciliatory manner…

      If you are a Christian, then you should know that all sins have already been ‘paid’ for by our Savior and Lord… 
      Forgive? If God can forgive, the same should God’s representatives here on earth… Otherwise, they are not worthy of being servants of God.

      “Damaso” was a fictional character, but if the real characters in the Catholic Church behave like him in reality, then, by God.. they should be reminded of what awaits them after death…. Otherwise, “Damaso” will remain a fictional character that could be deemed as a reminder to them of what’s wrong in the eyes of man as it is in the eyes of God.

      • tiriring

        Agree, agree…
        Praise Him in you.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        what is with ecldran that the highest of the land makikialam sa isyu…

      • Jane Tan

        This was the opinion expressed by the President when asked, in an AMBUSH INTERVIEW Tuesday afternoon in Pasig City.
        A M B U S H  I N T E R V I E W

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        whether ambush or not…ANDAMING PROBLEMA ANG BANSA NA DAPAT TUUNAN NIYA NG PANSIN>>Heard him commenting on FOI???mas importante un

      • Jane Tan

        Was he asked on FOI? I believe the ambush interviewer asked about this issue. Magreklamo ka sa nag-interview kay Pnoy. Or better yet, if you want answers to FOI, go ask him yourself. Maghintay ka sa labas ng Malacanang tapos ambush interview mo siya tungkol sa FOI.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        simple man lang kahit walang ambush interview…TAG THE FOI AS URGENT!!!…un lang, kahit walang press…kahit walang magtatanong…KASI THAT WAS HIS BATTLECRY LAST 2010 ELECTION…PERO NASAAN NA????WALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA……

        PANGAKONG NAPAKO…

        NGAUN MANGNGAKO NA NAMAN KAYO MGA YELLOW RIBBONS NA DAAN MATUWID NA MISMO FOI HINDI NINYO MAIPASA…

      • Jane Tan

        Lol ang nakakatuwa ay ang saya-saya ninyo na hinde nag-quorum tuwing RH Bill. Ngayon na may batas kayo na gustong ipasa tapos hinde nag-quorum, puro kayo reklamo.

        Pasensyahan mo na. Sinabi niyo kasi na okay lang hinde mag-quorum eh.

        Gusto ko din naman maipasa ang FOI, pero okay lang sa akin na maiwan ang decision sa mga matatamaan nito. Atleast kung hinde ito naipasa, alam na natin kung bakit.

        Wag mo na ibintang si Pnoy kung yung mga senator na ipinupuri ninyo ay ayaw din mag-quorum. Kagaya lang sa RH Bill, kahit maging urgent ito, mahirap parin sila mag-quorum.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Forgive yes! Sins, he should PAY!
    Ay nako! presidente pa naman! Toink!

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • Genesis Amv’s

    Tama lang yan sira narin mga tutok ng ibang pari …. Mr. Celdran did a good job

    Church should be Separated from the  State!!!!!!!

  • Genesis Amv’s

    Tama naman im not against the catholic faith im a catholic myself….. but using the religion with politics should be separated …. i support RH LAW..

  • Kcirtap Odrobal

    feeling naman ng lider na ito eh powerful siya.ipokrito…trip na trip mo kalabanin simbahan eh wala ka pa ngang napapatunayang matinding nagawa para sa bayan .

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      may tililing…

      as if, sa pakikipaglaban niya he makes himself popular…pabagsak na nga ang rating despite sa pinag bandera niyang economic gains…

      SWS says, 12% bumagsak ang rating niya…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         dream on! maniwala ka sa sarili mong paniwala…

    • nes911

      Ang simbahang katoliko nga ang walang ginagawa sa ikabubuti ng taong bayan. Taga kuha lng ng abuloy at pajero.

  • RiverHorse

    i believe the philippine catholic hierarchy has already forgiven him. still, he broke the law and he should suffer the consequences. maganda nyan, ISUNOD NA IKULONG YUNG MGA CORRUPT na government officials and employees, pulis at militar.

    • teekaye2

       CHANGE THE LAW IT IS LUDICROUS

      • RiverHorse

        to what, something that suits narcissists and other crazies like you and celdran?  who’s ludicrous now?

      • teekaye2

        Your personal attack on me is without basis my only point is the Catholic Church should be treated the same as any other group and not have special laws covering them alone .

      • RiverHorse

        oh but it is. to say a law is ludicrous is enough basis.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    SOBRANG abnoy talaga nito…DOUBLE standard at HYpocrite…

    sabi niya nuon kay GMA…”I forgive you but you should face justice”

    at ngaun, forgiven na po baga mr president si celdran ng cbcp…and the church is also asking justice….

    palibhasa parehas kayo bading

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • Jane Tan

      Lol… says the person supporting the Church’s violation of separation between Church and State. Ok lang kung magkamali ang suporta mo pero kung yung kaaway mo magkamali, magagalit ka?

      FYI, I believe they should still punish Celdran. What he did was clearly against the law.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    Pwede namang patawarin kahit makulong…  kasi kung papatawarin sya at hindi na sya makulong, baka pamarisan.   Kung lalabag pala ako ng batas, basta mag sorry na ako, ligtas na ako sa aking criminal liabilites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z6R2QAY7UWNJMTCRTED3JZXPIA Joey

    maybe the Church should forgive him, but I understand if they don’t… maging mayabang kasi simula nang mailagay sa dyaryo ang picture at pangalan. kita niyo naman, parang tuwang-tuwa pang nakakulong!

  • nes911

    The catholic church should display its chtistian values. Forgive and forget should be its dictum. Hind dapat maging bengatibo sa mga kumokontra sa prinsipyo nila.

    • tiriring

      Are catholics, Christians?  I don’t think so….

      • ThudOthwacker

        We are the true living Christian church founded by Christ. Mathew 16:19

      • tiriring

        Are you? Really?
        Read further your Bible…. thud..
        You will discover the truths…

      • ThudOthwacker

        Catholic bible have seven more books than the protestant version. Why? Martin Luther took out 7 books that contradict his doctrine. He even tried to remove revelation. But was stop by other protestant leaders. Having said that, we have a better understanding of a true gospel.

        Jesus establish his kingdom of heaven on earth. And appoint St. Peter as head or Pope(BTW Pope means father in Greek). Mathew 16:18-19.

        The succession of popes too are biblical Acts 1:20. 

        A lot of Anglicans and Presbyterians parishioners and pastors are returning back to the “True Church”. Because they found out Luther and Calvin doctrines are fallible and unbiblical.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    pati ba naman presidente nakisawsaw sa isyu…atupagin mo kaya ang trabaho, kaysa kakadepensa sa kapwa mo bading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • Jane Tan

      When the president doesn’t address issues, reklamo kayo. When he does, reklamo parin kayo?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        he should address issue on national importance like FOI…hindi ung pang THE BUZZ or mga kabaklaan sa buhay ang pagugulan niya ng pansin…not unless, mahilig talaga siya sa mga kabaklaan girlaloo things…

      • Jane Tan

        Have someone interview him on the FOI then, or better yet, you can wait outside malacanang and ambush interview him on the FOI.

        I’ve checked the other newspapers and none of them have stated that Pnoy avoided questions concerning the FOI Bill. Because none of them asked him any questions concerning the FOI in the first place.

        May grudge ka lang sa kanya. Aminin mo na.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        noynoying nga…maghihintay muna na may tatanong bago sabihin na urgent or pabilisin na ang FOI…hahaha

        every week naman meron presscon, bat hindi niya un gawin to become part of the agenda…or at least ung tatlong doberman niya…

      • Jane Tan

        In the same respect that he only gave an answer concerning celdran when asked.

        The President can’t always take sides.

        Bakit, kung gusto mo gumawa ng bagong batas, ipapasa mo lang tapos siguradong sasagutin ito ng Pangulo natin? Try mo nga. Kung pinansin niya ang ginawa mong bagong batas, tsaka ka magreklamo dito.

        He runs a country.

  • beboergosum

    Ikulong na, tagal yata.  

  • brunogiordano

    Ayaw ngang mag avail ng campo ni Ceildran ng PROBATION at hindi sila intersado sa forgiveness ng CBCP.

    Tuloy ang away hanggang SC.

    Mas mahaba ang away mas lalong kasusuklaman ng tao ang mga DAMASO.

  • Victor Magallanes

    I thought all the while, the Catholic Church has already forgiven Celdran. Why is BS Aquino  meddling with a court decision?

    What good will our laws be when it will not be enforced? Celdran violated the Revised Penal Code and he must suffer the consequences. This is not about the RH bill anymore. This is not about the separation of the church and the state. This is about our laws being enforced. 

  • beboergosum

    Oh, it’s forgiveness you want, Mr. President.  Sure, why not?  But not so fast.  Hinay hinay lang. May kasalanan yan Celdran na yan.  Walk your talk, Mr. Noy, show an example of a good Christian act.  Start with the Marcoses.  Forgive them.  Forgive and forget.  Di ba sir?

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you, bebo. That’s is more important.

    • Roberto Duran

      Sir, that’s the difference…PNoy is running a state, di po church yung pinatatakbo nya…know the difference…

  • ThudOthwacker

    Celdran should ask the congregation first. If he is entitle for forgiveness. It should be genuinely sincere about his true motives of the stunts he pulled. Is it conviction or he’s a paid hack to start a diverted topic BILLION$ away from the real agenda?

  • brunogiordano

    “Aquino: Church should forgive Celdran”

    Ikaw pangulo ng PILIPINAS hindi mapatawad ng mga OBISPO ng CBCP,

    Si CELDRAN pa.

    WISHFUL THINKING LANG IYAN!

  • gabbybal

    Wait lang kayo… The Church will eventually forgive him. Pnoy, cige nga. Do what you say by forgiving GMA & Marcos….

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you Gabbs.  That is more important.

    • Roberto Duran

      Sir, for sure me utak ang presidente! Alam nya na magkaiba ang level and type of act na ginawa…wag nyo naman po xa igaya sa size ng utak mo! lagyan mo din ng sense ang argument mo…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    CELDRAN is NOT a CRIMINAL—–It is NOT a CRIME to PROTEST against ANYBODY in Philippines———There is a FREEDOM of EXPRESSION in the country—

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      at sino bang nagsabi na crime ang mag protest against anybody, pero ilagay sa tamang lugar at oars… e kung akoy pumasok na lamang sa bahay at mag sisigaw ng aking advocacy ko dahil may freedom of expression, ok lang ba sayo!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        hindi PO bahay ang simbahan——-Ang COMPARISON nyo PO ay DI UGMA——Si CELDRAN po ay NAG PROTESTA sa INIT ng DEBATE sa RH bill——GINAWA po iyan si CELDRAN para PA-IGTINGIN ang SUPPORTA nya sa RH bill——WALA PONG kabastusan DOON—

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Alalahanin mo, may mga ordinaryong tao dun na nagdadasal, at hindi lang ang mga Damasong kinakalaban ni Celdran.  Ang mga ordinaryong taong eto ay may karapatang magdasal ng mataimtim at tahimik.  Inuulit ko, karapatan nila yun.  Tama lang bang baliwalain ang karapatan ng mga taong eto dahil lang may ipinaglalaban si Celdran.  Ang pagbaliwala ba sa karapatan ng  mga ordinaryong taong eto ay hindi kabastusan?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        HUWAG nyo PONG GAMITIN yong mga NAG-DADASAL sa SIMBAHAN, dahil BAKA po iyong NAG-DADASAL ay NANALANGEN na IPASA na PO SANA ang RH bill—–
        KAKAMPI po IYON ni CELDRAN

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q55QQJZTH3F5IF26RUZ44CYKIU Sky Blue

        Puno na ang baso at hindi na malagyan ng tubig… oh e anu ngayon kung sakali mng kakampi sila ni Celdran, karapatan pa rin nila mgdasal ng tahimik…

        at yung sinabi mo pa sa itaas na maling comparison yung  bahay at simbahan? Aigooo…

        common sense lng yun eh, kahit saan ka mn, simbahan, bahay, library, school, PUJ… my mga bagay na dapat mung gawin at hindi dapat.. walang magsasabi sayo nun kasi COMMON SENSE..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        HINDI PO COMMON SENSE ang PINAG-UUSAPAN–kundi KUNG LEGAL ba o HINDI—-

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q55QQJZTH3F5IF26RUZ44CYKIU Sky Blue

         eh tama nga sinabi ko na hindi na malagyan ng tubig yung baso.

        Legality lng pala eh, di sinagot ka na ni Bamm Gabriana sa itaas. Eh ayaw mo yata maniwala. tapos sinabi ko na lng common sense eh, ayaw mo din.My karapatan si Celdran mgpahayag? OoMy karapatan yung mga tao magdasal ng tahimik? OoAng simbahan ba ay lugar dasalan? OPO

    • Bamm Gabriana

      Every freedom is limited by responsibility to respect the freedoms of others. That’s why the law specifies in what occasions the freedom of speech is superseded by other people’s freedoms. Clearly Mr. Celdran broke a law here. It is dangerous when people like you think that it is ok to break the laws if we don’t agree with them. For a democracy to succeed we must respect the law and the processes we put in place to implement or change them.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        HINDI PO naka-saad sa BATAS na FREEDOM of EXPRESSION with RESPOSIBILITIES—–Ang FREEDOM of EXPRESSION ay ang MAMAYAN ang mag-di-DECIDE, pero HINDI po yan CRIME—

      • Bamm Gabriana

        Yes it is. He violated Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code. Just because you disagree with the law doesn’t mean the government has an obligation to change it in accordance to your legal opinion.

        And yes, Freedom of Expression is not absolute. For example, I as a Catholic cannot just barge into a Muslim mosque during the holy celebration of a hari raya and shouting “Terrorist” and carrying banners saying “Bin Laden”. If I do that, then I expect to get jailed in violation of the same provision I mentioned above. And if I do, then it would be foolish for me to reason that what I did was just freedom of expression.

        A healthy democracy is not one where people can do anything they please and feel like doing. That is called anarchy. Rather, a healthy democracy is one where people respect each other’s feelings, ideas, opinions, and freedoms.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        your mother is a whore. like celdran’s mother

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        If you WANT to RESPECT the law—RESPECT CELDRAN—

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        respect celdran whose mother is whore.. same with your mother

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      sige subukan mo tignan natin mangyari sayo, wag maging mangmang alamin ang batas

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

      her mother is a whore

    • imongredneck

      Dude, if you walk in a movie theater doing a Celdran act, and I’m focused at what I’m there for, I’ll make sure you leave the place black and blue. Good thing he was in a place of worship.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        GANYAN PO ka-AGRESSIBO ang mga DAMASSO—–

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    E pano kung yung mga corrupt no politicians ang magsabi:  Ako ay nagpakasasa sa pera ng bayan, sorry po at patawarin nyo na lang ako?

    QUITS NA LANG BA YAN?

    my point is:  forgiveness is not to be equated with  sparing one from the consequences of any violation of the law of the country!

    • tiriring

      Admitting one’s sin is close to repentance…..

    • Roberto Duran

      ah, sir…pwde po taasan po natin ang level ng discussion? medyo super kalye na kasi… the issue here is the act: di xa nagnakaw sir, di xa pumatay, nabasa nyo po ba ang balita? so yung example nyo po ay walang saysay…magbasa po kayo…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        If you want a higher lever of discussion:

        I agree that Celdran did not steal, kill as you mentioned, but the fact remains that he violated a law, and he should be held responsible for that violation.  Otherwise, we will set a double stand.  Yung dapat lang bang ikulong yung may nagawang mabibigat na crimen katulad ng pagnanakaw at pagpatay, peru yung mga petty violations of the law, palusutin na lang.  

        Kung mayron mang mali sa batas na nilabag ni Celdran, e di baguhin o alisin na ang batas na yan, per hangang andyan pa ang batas na iyan, ay dapat nating igalang at kung mayron mang lumabag nya ay dapat papanagutin sa batas!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

        labang sa batas dapat makulong kahit hindi nag nakaw lumabag pa din sa batas ganun ganun nalang ba yun, dapat panagutan. porke ba mayaman si Celdran hindi na dapat makulong 

  • Jimbox88

    I support Mr Celdran, Church should go away from politics!

    But his way is wrong, he should apologize not to the “Damasos” but to the catholics!

  • just_anotherperson

    Justice delayed is justice denied.  Start serving time!

  • tiriring

    There was no Justice when they nailed our Savior to the cross…
    But all of them were forgiven.. absolutely forgiven…..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      E kung ganun ang gusto mo e palabasin na lang ang lahat na nakakulong.  Pwede naman na patawarin kahit nakakulong a

      • tiriring

        Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said ignorantly here, I forgive you….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Mabuti naman kung ganun hehehe

  • JaePablo

    Ipalibing mo muna ng maayos si Marcos bago ka mag gaganyan… 

  • just_anotherperson

    “Follow the Pope” daw.  Sabi ng mga hindi sumusunod sa Santo Papa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5UOZM4PWIDKO7G64HL3PPMXUTM Constantine

    Yap, makadiyos naman ang mga pari e. Di ba ang sabi ni Lord, to forgive is divine? So patawarin na yan si Celdran, hindi naman uulit na yan!

  • disqus_EWrSdjV1nv

    INUTIL NA RETARDADO. SABAGAY… TAMA SIYA.

    PINATAWAD NA NYA SI DANDING NUNG PINAPATAY ANG TATAY NYA. PERO DNYA MAPAPATAWAD ANG MGA MARCOS KASI WALA NAMAN SILANG KASALANAN KINA AQUINO EH. PERO KOMUNISTA ANG MGA SINUPORTAHAN NG MGA AQUINO NOON…

    HMM… MALABO TALAGO TO.

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy:  No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MESKVVF473U4YSVN343XOT2XLE kram

      Ha ha ha…Naamoy mo din kung sino talaga ang nagpapatay sa Tatay ni pnoy.. alam yan ni Cory after the investigation pero di nya pi nus thru para manatiling ang galit ng tao sa mga Marcoses…..Lalabas din ang totoo in future…..Malapit na….Sabi nga ni cory…the truth will set us free!…..

  • virgo57

    Pinakita ng CBCP hierarchy ang pagka hipokrito at balatsibuyas sa ginawa nila kay Celdran. Ilan ba ang pinaanakan,minomolestya at kinurakot sa mga baklang pari at obispo? Ang pagiging paki alamiro sa estado at patronage politics ng mga balbahutog na Ito ay dapat din sila ikulong.

  • Roberto Duran

    hahaha, funny..its now the people outside the church teaching them what a true christian should do and reminding them of the love of the father…apparently the church never had this in practice…lol… very funny indeed… parang ang taong bayan pa ang holy ngayon :) 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

      oh! your mother is whore. tingin mo holy ka?

      • Roberto Duran

        wow. what a mouth…stinky…ganyan yata tinuro sa iyo ng catholic church… no wonder…

  • Pilosopong_Ompong

    Ayos talaga logic mo Pnoy!…ikaw nga di mo mapatawad  mga Arroyo!

    For sure, napatawad na sya ng mga Bishop….pero dapat pa rin syang magdusa sandali sa kulungan at ng medyo ‘tumuwid’ ang asal nya

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • adriel0104

    and totoo nyan naghahanap lang talaga ang baklitang celdran para makapasok sa kulungan.Narinig kasi nya na masarap daw ang buhay sa isang bakla sa loob.Sino ba naman bakla na hindi magugustuhan ang kulungan araw araw may pumasok sa puwit nya.Magsasawa sya doon sa daming TT..kahit patawarin yan papasok pa rin yan..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who are in favor of  freeing  Celdran  for the sake of forgiveness,  should we apply the same thing to Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, corrupt senators and congressmen, and to other corrupt politicians?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS SALOT SA PILIPINAS JESUITS PUT CELDRAN IN JAIL NAG SASABI LANG NG 22O SI CELDRAN  CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO KUNG MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS KATOLIBAN PARASITE CHURCH!! MABUHAY KA CELDRAN TUNAY KA PILIPINO!! OBISPO GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO SA KALYE DYABLO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      mga bading na katulad mo peste sa mundo tama si Hitler dapat ubusin mga bading

      • scorpio15

        Kasama ka na dyan Sargo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

        ikaw lang bading! kadiri kayo! may Aids! ubusin na mga salot na bading na tulad mo!!! salot 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/K2MTUZVULUGNOUT4ZDXYQQNXD4 win s

      pare, ang puso mo… awas awas sa galit ah… lagi ka ng ganyan… lagi kang SOBRANG apektado… gun ban na, yang puso mo daig pa ang AK-47 kung bumuga… pare d mo binibigyang halaga ang kalusugan mo sa ginagawa mong yan… paalala lang pare… 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who are in favor of  freeing  Celdran  for the sake of forgiveness,  should we apply the same thing to Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, corrupt senators and congressmen, and to other corrupt politicians?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

    Ang tanong; Nanghingi ba ng kapatawaran? Christ taught; if the offender is unrepentant, treat him like a heathen.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    ikulong na yang bading na yan! hahaha para ma rape!!!! ang taba taba 

    • dxdaistar

       oo nga, dapat ikulong sa Saudi jail…hahaha.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    Penoy bobo mo! anung patawad patawad pag wala ka na sa pwesto ikaw naman makukulong sa mga pinagagawa mong kabulastugan matakot kana kalbo ka! makukulong ka din ihanda mo na ang wheel chair mo ilang taon na lang wala ka na sa pwesto 

    • scorpio15

      Buti ka pa Sargo Napa GALING mo. Bat hanggang yan lang ang na-isulat mo na WALANG KWENTA.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

        mas wala kang kwenta! bading  salot kayo sa lipunan 

    • Ari Putan

      huwag naman magpintas masyado sa presidente natin…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    ikulong na yang bading na yan! hahaha salot sa mundo mga bading!!! 

  • kilabot

    noykapon the preacher. 
    the other side of abnoying; 
    let celdran take refuge in malacañang where he will feel at home.

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • sigena

    celdran binyaran ni pnoy

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MESKVVF473U4YSVN343XOT2XLE kram

      Pareho silang bading kc! he e he

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARLOS CELDRAN IS A HERO!! HIS LIKE DR JOSE RIZAL NAG SASABI LANG SIYA NG 22O BAKIT KAILANGAN PARUSAHAN KA NI JESUITS! AT ANG MGA OBISPO DAMASO SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      bading ka! salot sa lipunan, HIV positive kadiri!!! 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q55QQJZTH3F5IF26RUZ44CYKIU Sky Blue

       Si Jose Rizal nagsabi ng totoo sa aklat at sa SIBILISADONG pamamaraan, yung ginagawa ng my mga PINAG-ARALAN at RESPETO, yun si Rizal… hindi siya pumunta sa simbahan at sumigaw habang my mga ngdarasal. Si Celdran e???

      At huwag mong idahilan ung mga pedophile priest, may pa DAMASO DAMASO ka pa jan,  ano an eye for an eye na lng??? Patanggal na lng yung batas pag ganun

    • warpiglets

      JOSE RIZAL IS NOT A GAY.. BU CELDRAN IS A GAY… KUHA MO?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        Celdran is not gay. his mother is a whore

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

      oh! kill pnoy and you will be a hero

    • imongredneck

      Celdran is no Jose Rizal, or he should face the musket.

  • regd

    I challenge Celdran to dressed as muhammad holding a sign bearing “fake prophet” and do that inside a mosque let’s see what happens! This doesn’t violate Article 133 right?

    • dxdaistar

       he will immediately sentenced to … you know! You just cannot insult a religion! Respect it!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MESKVVF473U4YSVN343XOT2XLE kram

      He will be hanged immediately. And the worst to happen is, this will affect to his family as blood line of person na umalipusta sa prophet nile. Their family will be hanged too…

    • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

      Wrong. Article 133 applies to all. It does not specify any religion. Puede ka rin akusa ng Muslim sa artikulo na iyan.

      • regd

        Bingo! Mine wasn’t a question, it was a challenge to the intellect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    Hoy Penoy, yung nanay mo kinamatayan ang hindi pagpapatawad sa mga marcos, madasalin pa siya kuno.  You do not have the moral ascendency to preach forgiveness because you do not have it in your family.

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    Lumabag sa batas dapat makulong! Kung ordinaryong tao gumawa kulong agad. si Celdran may kaya dapat ganun ba pag may kaya hindi na dapat makulong??? anung klaseng bansa ang Pilipinas? banana republic. walang kwenta! ikulong nayang bading na yan. pantay pantay dapat ang trato. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    Dapat bigyan din ng presidential pardon si Celdran..

    Kung si Erap napakabigat ng kaso at hatol sa ginawa nyang pandarambong  agad binigyan ng 

    pardon ni Pandakekok..

    Walang ginawang krimen si Celdran dapat itong mga hinayupak na pari at obispo ang itapon sa 

    karsel sa ginagawa nilang pakikialam sa politika…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      Husgado ka ba pano mo nalaman na walang ginawang Krimen? napatunayan na nga na labag sa batas ang ginawa, dapat makulong yang bading na yan! kung ayaw mo makulong si bading bakit ayaw mong sumama sa kulungan! 

      • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

        one year max kung suplado, 2 buwan kung asal mabuti.

      • Observer_din

        sa 2 months na yun, malamang lalong sisikat si Celdran, at baka lalong maging sakit ng ulo ng mga pari.. abangan ninyo paglabas nyan.. lalo kayong iinisin nyan… hehehhee

    • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

      Sa tingin ko puede sabihin ni P-noy na wag na ibilango ng 2 buwan ang taong iyan. Puede nga etsapwera ang parusang bitay. :-)

    • Blue01

      Naniniwa kang walang ginawang mali, eh bakit ayaw mong gayahin para mamalam mo kung meron o wala.

      Kung sa mosque ng Muslim nya ginawa yun, ewan ko na lang, kung umabot pa sya sa korte.

      Simple lang

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    Hmmm, Celdran or Selda is being treated by Noynoying like his cabinet members.  I can smell something fishy here, bayaran ba ni Noynoying itong si Celdran or Selda?  Next we read, Noynoying paid for Celdran or Selda’s bail.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    Payo ko sayo Celdran “don’t drop the soap!” hahahaha 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    x

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      bading ka! tatay mo bading naMarshallo ang waput mo ng tatay mo! hahahaha 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      i nedit urong ang b! duwag 

  • YamiIsland

    Yeah good idea, why not forgive the Marcos’s by letting them join your political dynasty?…Easy to say, but hard to do right? Better do what you ought to do, stop meddling the courts decision.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AFDQQH2M3OD6ZGBJNJ34UZHIV4 Enrico

    Ikulong na yan para di gayahin…..Kung patatawarin at di ikukulong, dadami yang mga nambabastos sa mga simbahan…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    Noynoying and CC are both singles.  Match ba?  Pareho pang oklabs.

    • panhase

       Like the priests and bishops, they are also single diba? And what about the Pope, is he married?

    • Observer_din

      yari ka ke panhase(sa baba) sir, bumalik ang logic mo sa iyo, di lumalabas nyan magmula ke PAPA ,pati lahat ng obispo at pari natin eh mga BAKLITA? hay kaya pala daming me kaso ng panghahalay ng mga boys.. mukhang me point ka, lahat nga cguro ng singles mga bading.. hehehehe

  • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

    Seriously, can the Church tell Philippine judiciary to revert its decision? Do courts have power to grant clemency?

  • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

    Mabaho si Celdran para sakyan, bosing.

  • basyong

    church should forgive celdran? look who s talking? forgiveness comes from the heart and doesnt think of revenge and bitterness.

  • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

    Noon pa kung repentant ito si Carlos tapus na ang problemang ito.

    • Logarithmic

      Please this essay: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282 

  • http://rltjs.wordpress.com/ Rod

    Paano mo patawarin ang isang tao na namimilit na wala siyang nagawang kasalanan?

    • tiriring

      “All have sinned”
      Just forgive …

    • Observer_din

      parang noong panahon lang ni gloria yan di ba? ano sabi ng mga obispo noong mandaya si Gloria sa election? ” ayus lang daw kasi lahat naman nandadaya”.. hehehe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CG6AWFVDA46M5DMR2G7VNAMFUM Mark

    Bading din kasi kaya depensa nya ang kalahi nya..Sobra sa laki ang ulo nitong spoiled mongoloid president natin a.har har har

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • Observer_din

      that’s what we catholics are? name calling ?? wow!! so that’s what our bishops and priests teach us?? what a shame..

  • vilmavee

    Mr. President, forgiveness is given to those who seek it.  And Mr. Celdran is just too arrogant and proud to seek it.  Perhaps, serving his jail term may bring him down to his knees to master enough humility to say, “Please forgive me”.

    • Observer_din

      mali sir, pag nakulong yan si Celdran, baka sumikat at maging senador pa yan, dagdag sakit ng ulo din ng mga obispo yan, kayo din.. hehehehe

  • warpiglets

    its not just because youhave same feather that flocks together then you seek forgiveness on his behalf? shame on you.. you dont deserve to be a president.. 

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • Observer_din

      that’s how it feels when the government is interferring(if that’s how you see it) with the church, people will cry separation of state and church, pero pag sina bishop at father ang nakikialam sa gobyerno sasabihin nila karapatan nila yun bilang mamamayan( na di nagbabayad ng buwis) nakakalimutan nila ang separation.. hehehehe

  • just_the_guy

    Let Celdran do what he wants to do. Let him suffer the consequences as well. He’s a grown-up man, I think…

  • LAD

    mahal na pangulo, gumaganda ang takbo ng bansa ngayon dahil sa maganda ninyong ehemplo, ganuun tyaong mga pinoy,kailangan may sampol,kaya dapat itong si celdran masampolan, kundi di matitigil ang mga tulad nyang bastos sa mga ginagawa nila

  • kapatad

    Palagay ko misquoted ka ng Inquirer reporter sa sinabi kung sinabi mo nga ito. Kung totoo ang sinabi, try namin na gawin namin yung ginawa ni Celdran sa iyong harapan, habang ikaw ay nagsasalita sa harap ng mga tao. Sa dami ng iyong PSG, baka di kami makalapit sa iyo. 

  • bahaykubo1015

    “Aquino: Church should forgive Celdran”

    Correct Mr. President!!!!    Itong mga DAMASOs kunting kasalanan preso kaagad while countless priests and bishops commit sexual abuses to children…..RUINING THEIR LIVES…and what had the church done with them????? Deny the horrible crime of these churchmen,itinatago sila nai-propromote pa nga eh
    Don’t get me wrong, I am a practicing Roman Catholic but this doesn’t mean I am turning a blind eye to the abuses of our own Filipino clergymen. KADIRI NA     HYPOCRITES

    • tiriring

      True….
      “Vengeance is mine”

      • panhase

        If vengeance is yours, then please keep it to yourself. 
        The old testament is not Christian teaching. Christian comes from Christ as in Jesus Christ. The old testament is the teaching of the jewish religion.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

      Dami kasi na insulto. Dapat puntahan nya nalang ang obispo para dalawa silang mag away. Pag ako nanduon d ko masasabi kung ano gagawin ko sa kanya.

      Kung may abuses ang mga Pari natin dapat ikulong din. Sa kaso ni Celdran daming Tao at witness at ang iba pinipigilan lang ang sarili. Ikaw kaya nanduon at nagdadasal at gambalain ng Taong ito, ano gagawin mo? Maging masaya?

      Dami nating mga Pari na may kaso, kahinaan po yan at tama hypocrisy, human frailty. 

  • KappaPhiPhi

    any religion has a set of teachings, beliefs and traditions, if one is not comfortable with his religious affiliation, then convert to the faith that suits one or be an atheist. either you believe or not. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    Morality in western societies were destroyed by the noisy minority such as  gays, moral relativists and the like who happen generally belong to the rich as they feel self sufficient having almost everything in life while many faithful  Christians opt to stay in the sideline for fear that they will be name called as bigots which we are not DEFINITELY. Celdran and others like him who are ksp’s should not be allowed to destroy our sense of right and wrong just like that by keeping silent even if they are violating with impunity  simple good manners and worse the religious beliefs of some like us Catholics who happen to be the majority in this country. If wee keep passive, after RH will be divorce, then abortion and then gay marriage and later free love AND PROHIBITION OF PRAYING IN PUBLIC PLACES OUT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!. We have seen it in more advanced countries happening and if we do not want to follow them to the abyss where families are almost dysfunctional, we should be firm in defending our morals by speaking out for the good of our families and especially of our children..

    • $14141131

      You forgot one important factor, Sir. His name is BO. lol.

    • tiriring

      The tyranny of Majority?
      “Narrow is the way to heaven”

    • rjimenez1226

      God doesa not love you Mr Quijada. You are a hater and you will boil in hell.

    • panhase

       What are you talking about? Where is it prohibited to pray in public places? And dysfunctional families? You do find this in the Philippines, where a parent has to leave the family and has to go abroad to earn a decent living.
      And later “free love”? Love is free. Jesus told us to love. He told us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. He did not say we should love the ones we choose to love but we should love th person who is standing next to us. That is Christian. But being vindictive because somebody hurt ” a feeling” is definitely not Christian. Yes to follow Christian teaching is tough, it´s difficult. And if one cannot do it, then one simply cannot. But acting as if one is Christian but going against the core of the teachings of Jesus is definitely not Christian.

  • vilmavee

    Mr. bahaykubo1015, you are a hypocrite yourself.  You are no better than Celdran: arrogant and self righteous. Know that the notoriety committed by Mr. Celdran deserve corrective measures as a matter of course.  The Church may forgive him, no doubt, but he still have to do some acts of restitution.  

    • bahaykubo1015

      If you describe what Celdran had done as a notoriety how do you describe then the sexual abuses done to children by these priests and bishops???
      How do you describe the actions of the clergymen who condone this type of behaviour????
      I bet the English language has no appropriate adjective to describe the actions of these KADIRI HYPOCRITES……………pretending to be the God’s representatives..
       

      • tiriring

        Dont get dirty with pervert generation.
        Pray hard for them instead…

  • $38346712

    If that is your point Mr. President, then let Marcos remains be buried in Libingan ng mga Bayani and former President Gloria Arroyo have her surgery abroad to heal the gangrenous wounds of our nation.

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….

    • indiosbravos2002

      Hoy Marcos and GMA loyalist. Sira ba ulo mo? Pakulong muna sa bilibid si GMA bago forgiveness. Tsaka di mo ba nabalitaan… wala namang sakit pandak mong amo. Naloko ka na naman sa non. Bawahahaha.

  • $14141131

    Is Manny Pacquiao now in Malacanang masquerading as Nhoynhoy? Shut your ignorance through your mouth, boy. Are you now trying to mix the church and state? 

    Deal and punish all the corrupt politicians of Davao Oriental and I’ll believe you. Stop faking!!!

    • Observer_din

      parang ganito lang un sir, ayaw mo makialam ang presidente sa simbahan(if you look it that way) eh di dapat sabihan din ninyo ang mga pari at obispo na wag makialam sa simbahan. fair and square.. :)

  • JUDGE

    Heto ang mga bagay na salita para sa yo Demonyong Celdran. Kung hindi ka tinuruan ng mga putang magulang mo ng kahulugan ng salitang “RESPECT”, pwes dadalhin kita sa squatters area dahil mukhang mas alam pa nila ang tamang ASAL kaysa kagaya mong asal HAYOP! May tamang lugar para sa lahat! Wala kang karapatang babuyin ang isang lugar na Sagrado para sa iba! Magsama kayo ni PNOY na galit ang nasa dibdib at kailanman ay di mararanasang mamuhay ng mapayapa! G A G O K A! 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HQGDKWN2QBXHFBKER2IIKH6JUY Orly

      Honor a place associated to a religion. If a person will do this  in a mosque, he will be brought out with his head separated from his body already.

      • tiriring

        “Don’t be afraid of someone who can kill the body but not the soul”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        you don’t have soul. demons live forever

      • bogli_anakdami

        ang problema eh, ang mga imam muklo di nakikialam sa rh thingy… kaya walang mosque di ba?…  si kaksaker padre dumbasso puro paki-alam sa takbo ng flip gub’ment…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        So ano gusto mo oo at opo nalang ang mga kasapi ng simbahan sa mga panukala at ayon sa pananaw nila na mali?

      • bogli_anakdami

        alam mo ba ang “separasyon ng tsart at estet”…

        ooopsie my bad… this is flipland..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Church and state yes. But not the member of the church and its flock.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3I2YPXXEUMGSLNE7BCY3DVHVY Danilo

        When cory aquino became president, the word FREEDOM started to be MISINTERPRETED. Look at Manila now, full of CRIMES because everybody thinks that they have the FREEDOM to do it! Everybody hates rules! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Why Cory was dragged on this case? Irrelevant. Lol

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6VPCLRORXMXXFPZPOENIK5XEI nina

        Democracy to do bad.

      • panhase

         Manila was full of crime before Cory became president. I am over 60 years now, I know what I am talking about, I do not htink you have any memory of that time.
        And what does Cory have to do with this case?

    • tiriring

      Celdran: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….super judge.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Leviticus 24:20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured.

      • tiriring

        injured or hurt by the TRUTH ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        What truth?

      • tiriring

        That you are sinner and you need salvation by believing Jesus who died for your sins because He loves you, Cho…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        You need salvation than me….Your sin is greater than mine.

      • panhase

         You do know that what your are saying does not comply with christian teachings?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        that your mother is a whore

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        and yours too….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/P5H3QAPG6ZROD3G63PDV3PEN74 Bernardo

      I Agree. Freedom has limitations.

      • bogli_anakdami

        i disagree…

        in flipland, flip murderers have no limitations… freedom to kill… they run free…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4FNXZ7TOB7WLKRJHWN2GHH5JZ4 cita

        then kill pnoy now. you are free to do it

    • henri_see

       Super Like Super Judge!
      Di kailangan ni Celdran ng pardon. Probation lang di na sya makukulong.

      PERO SYEMPRE WALANG PUBLICITY PAG DI SIYA MAKUKULONG.

      The guy is MEDIA-HUNGRY. And the stupid commenters here are too dense to see through it.

  • bogli_anakdami

    dapat si celdran eh ikulong doon sa manila katedral at pag-iiyutin/tsupain ng kaksaker padre dumbasso…

    that will teach celdran a lesson, di ba?

    • tiriring

      Pls read your bible.
      The lesson is there…

      • bogli_anakdami

        which version/translation of the buybull ooooopsie bible?

      • tiriring

        The translation of Word to life.
        The Holy Spirit will translate them to you…don’t worry.. bogli.

      • bogli_anakdami

        we speak the same lingo… no translation needed… no cult/occult to join either to be one…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    Binasa ko ang mga posts sa baba at nakapagtataka halos lahat di sang ayon sa panawagan ni PNoy at ang iba ay galit na galit. PNoy must watch out because Filipinos are thinking humans. Sayang, his initial goodwill will disappear before he knows it. Some leaders are the last to know that their kitchen is already  burning especially if they are not humble and just rely on the lies of his court jesters.

    • bogli_anakdami

      bwi hi hi hi hi… “flips are thinking humans..” ba ka mo?

      since when did flips “fully” evolve?

    • tiriring

      Pre Noynoy: Thanks for your advice Rey… I’ll heed it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VIZVTAXF7CDL73UM2K5AQ2JT3M paolo s

    Parang ang termino umunawa ay napaka kaunti o kung hindi naman ay mailap sa ating panahon ngayon. Lahat ng tao na lang nag-aangkin ng kaalaman pero di na ata nabibigyan pansin ang pag-unawa. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BZDIYNO2IPIFKDJF7NSDNVTJDQ Jason

    NAPAKA ABUSADO NAMAN TALAGA NG SIMBAHAN..PILIT HINAHAWAKAN SA LEEG ANG GOBYERNO NATIN..PHWEE!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

      Tell me what Church abuses are?

      • tiriring

        Church is His bride… it is pure..
        Maybe you mean catholic ..

      • bogli_anakdami

        yep… exactly what the traposakals are doing…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AX6JJVDK2YVZ56DN4TTOMJFRHI Doods

    The abuses made by clergy are beyond compare. Child abuses and Sexual Abuses are some of them. Ang problema sa ilang Catholic parishioners ay di nila nakikita ito…sa halip ay nagbubulag-bulagan sa katotohanan….a sign of Fanatism.
    Ang batas ay dapat pantay-pantay para sa lahat…..

    • mhertz

      The mistake of others does’nt make you right.  The child abuse case has been in court also. The mistake of one, is not a mistake of all. Kahit si Juan ay nagkasala hindi ibig sabihin pati si Pedro ay makasalanan din.

      • Vertumnus

        That might be true but the silence of the majority becomes complicit to the heinous act of the minority.  Many Filipinos can trace their lineage to priest and friars of the Spanish Colonial era who fathered children with Filipina women.  The vow of poverty and celibacy doesn’t seem to apply to most priest.  At it was in colonial times, so it happens in the modern times.  

        Silence gets you nowhere.  

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        So  what do you suggest? Do more mockeries inside the churches?

      • Vertumnus

        One instance of civil disobedience does not constitute a revolution. Misdemeanor charge would have suffice and time serve in jail. Nothing was destroyed, no one was physically hurt and the only casualties are the sensibilities of some people. Christianity is tolerant religion, we are not Muslims that kills just for drawing a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad. That’s why we are Christians and they are Muslims.

      • Kabakakan

         that’s why on circumstances like this, i wonder if who really is the better group. Those who would just stand idly while their belief and their place of worship is being desecrated? Or those who will give their life, fight to the death, when their belief is being mocked as they consider their faith greater than their life?

      • Vertumnus

        The religion that value life over fundamentalist beliefs is the better religion. Tolerance is the hallmark of Christianity otherwise we would have never stopped the crusades.

      • bogli_anakdami

        kaksaker padre dumbassos do worse than mockeries inside churches…

      • carlos_premacio

        ang layo naman ng sinasabi mo. How about the Iglesia Ni Kristo obligating their flocks to vote for their candidates or else you will be expelled. Even the Church of Ecleos in the Dinagat island which perpetrated oppression and abuses to people who will not join their church. Ecleo’s church is now in alliance with the Liberal Party and the AKBAYAN. Did you hear the Liberal Party say something about this one? Catholics don’t have that kind of monstrosity!

      • Vertumnus

        People join various religion for their own reasons. Church politics is up to the parishioners. If they tolerate that kind of behavior is because they allow it! One is always free to choose either to stay of leave. We are a free society. Ultimately, our choices determined the path our lives takes.

      • catmanjohn

        What a diabolical bunch of schemers UNA is. Everyone knows that Ecleo was an Arroyo lackey, and now that he has been exposed with the manure of corruption and filth, he wants to wipe his sins on the banner of LP. Who are you fooling? Perhaps this is another Enrile deceit. 

      • mhertz

        Then go after of who is at fault, that will not be reason enough to generalize who serve the Lord rightfully. And you have to know that not all congregations vowed for poverty,for celibacy yes.

      • Vertumnus

        In a barrel of apples, there’s bound to be a couple of rotten once. It’s up to the rest to insure honesty and integrity in their chosen vocation. But most often than not, they will go to extra lengths to protect and cover the crimes of those dishonest priest. It not concern for parishioners but the protection of the Priest and the Catholic church.

      • mhertz

        and more so, if you are not bias enough there are priest who are being removed because of their wrongdoings. The church never claim that they are blameless, satan is always there to cast his darkness and some have fallen to satan. But give justice to both offender and righteous. If you say that most of the priest are offender then you should provide data with that otherwise it will all be base in your bias opinion.

      • Vertumnus

        It’s not for me to defend the accuse. It’s my personal opinion right or wrong. Just read the news and see how many clergy are involve in all sort of shenanigans and it doesn’t take genius to figure out there’s something completely wrong in the Catholic Priesthood.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

      Clergy, pastors, Imam, had their own kind of abuses. Don’t be hypocrite.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

    Celdran is quite lucky. I wasn’t in there. Otherwise he will get what he wanted.

    • tiriring

      “vengeance is mine”

      • bogli_anakdami

        did jchrist say that? … bad, jc, bad…

        or is it some loser’s translation???

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L6TTZGNCMP4XWQQCNIX65PTNJM Ciano

    kung si Pnoy nakikiusap sa mga obispo napatawarin si Celdran,dapat marunong din siyang magpatawad sa kapwa nya. kaya wala siyang karapatang magsabi sa mga mga obispo na patawarin kasi siya mismo di marunong magpatawad!

    • tiriring

      Pres. Noynoy: No matter what you’ve said here against me, I forgive you….ciano.

    • Noel

      At ano at sino ang dapat patawarin ni Celdran?  Ang ginawa lang niya ay pag-express ng kanyang paniniwala at suporta sa RH Bill.  Hindi naman siya Obispo o Pari.  Ang mga Obispo at Pari ang siyang dapat magpatawad dahil iyan ang kanilang itinuturo.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CG6AWFVDA46M5DMR2G7VNAMFUM Mark

        Ulool!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6VPCLRORXMXXFPZPOENIK5XEI nina

    Don’t do it inside the church. plssssssssssssssssssss

    • tiriring

      Jesus did not have church building.
      He preached under the trees…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        So do it. Preached under the tree.

      • tiriring

        You are a vine.. Cho
        You must bear fruits..

      • bogli_anakdami

        mansanas, to be exact…

      • Noel

        Well, at that time, church buildings were owned by the government.  But true, one can preach anywhere.  On the other hand, God commands us to worship Him in His Temple.

      • tiriring

        You are His temple.. if you allow Him.

      • bogli_anakdami

        exactly… if you allow him…

        that’s what kaksaker padre dumbassos say to an unsuspecting child…

    • catmanjohn

      As long as Celdran expressed his version of truth, without offense to decency, where Catholic priests used that same place of worship to espouse their social and political views which were outside the realm of religion, he was justified in doing so. The blind obedience and unquestioned sanctity of the Catholic Church is the reason why the Protestants have been kicking the Catholics buts around for the past 400 years.

      • Kabakakan

        If you don’t like the sermon, you can get out of the church. The priests have the right to sprout anything during the mass. the people inside it, willingly go inside the church. call it blind obedience but it’s their choice. if they are fine with it, then it is their choice. it is also their own FREEDOM OF RELIGION and their own FREEDOM TO ASSEMBLE. If you don’t have any religion or does not believe in any deity or whatsoever, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO MOCK OTHER PEOPLE WHO DOES HAVE A RELIGION. Crash into their own service, and disrupt their own service.

      • catmanjohn

        The wise Mr. Kipling once inspired his fellow man by stating, “IF, you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken, twisted by knaves, to make a trap for fools….
        Or watch the things you gave your life to broken, and stoop and build them up again with worn out tools…” I feel his words strengthen my conviction.

      • Kabakakan

        Wise words and truly motivating. But sad to say, it does not exempt people from mocking others beliefs and faith. Celdran mocked the Catholic Faithful by his acts. And if we let this travesty pass, then we give the premise that anybody can also mock/disrespect anything, anyone, any race, any age, any gender, in the name of Freedom of Speech.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

    Leviticus 24:20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured.

    • Vertumnus

      Matthew 5:39
      “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” 

      • Noel

        That appears to be the Catholic Church’s policy.  It’s useless quoting from the Bible because the Catholics do not base their faith solely on the bible.

      • tiriring

        The Word will not be useless to anyone.
        Never…

      • bogli_anakdami

        exactly…

        the word is big $$$biznez$$$…

      • boytz

        Yes, this is what appears to be the problem of the bible. Playing safe, it tries to cover all exigential situations that it almost always contradicts itself

    • marienkind

      Ever notice that whenever somebody’s trying to use the Bible to justify a d*ck move they cite the old testament?

  • duviz7533

    celdran kung si damaso ang hinahunting mo,wala siya sa manila cathedral.i also don’t agree sa catholic church sa stand nila regarding this bill,please don’t cross the line,respeto sa nagsisimba.mga pro life kuno na senators sila ang hamonin mo ng bangayan

    • Noel

      Celdran did not cross the line.  He followed the line.  In line manner, our National Hero Dr. Jose Rizal did not cross the line.  He also expression his opinions but was later executed by the Spaniards on the church’s influence.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Kailan ba nag disrupt ng religious service si Jose Rizal katulad ng ginawa ni Celdran?

      • bogli_anakdami

        noon ‘sang araw… nandoon ako sa gilid kc, standing room only… na-bwiset nga ako eh…

      • Kabakakan

        EMARGERD!!! Why do people compare Celdran to Rizal? Is our national hero really that low? My GOD people! You are desecrating the memory and legacy of Rizal by comparing him with this man! He clearly crossed the line by pushing his Freedom of Speech against Freedom of Religion (Freedom of not having any Religion).

  • indiosbravos2002

    Wow, a lot of anti-RH trolls alive and kicking trying to exact revenge via this issue. Is this to compensate for their loss in congress.

  • bogli_anakdami

    a lot of buybull  oooopsie bible thumpers are humming their magical incantation…. hummmmm hummmmm hummmmm…

    • tiriring

      Its more than magic if you allow the Holy Spirit to work in you.

      • bogli_anakdami

        the holy spirit is not a good worker… the holy spirit has been working with flips for over five centuries…

        the result >>> flips are magnananakws, murderers, maraming kabits, etchas tera, etc… 

        holy spirit is natutulog sa pansitan…

  • Noel

    The Catholic Church led by her Cardinals, Bishops and Priests are vindictive.  History tells us.  In the past, decades and centuries ago, mere criticism of the church would cause one to be arrested, tortured and killed.

    Celdran represents many of the Filipinos who resent the Catholic Church’s never ending meddling in the state’s economic and political affairs.  He was supporting RH Bill which the Catholic Church vigorously opposed.  Now that the Bill was passed, the church used a scape goat in the person of Celdran to retaliate. 

    Expressing one’s opinion is nothing new inside the chapel or during Mass.  Is the priest not doing that during his sermon?  Is he not attacking some leaders, government policies and politicians?  At the height of Marcos-Cory election campaign, anti-Marcos groups were allowed to bring and carry their placards inside the church to show and express their support for Cory and attacks against Marcos.  

  • opinyonlangpo

    PNoy is making fun of the  catholic priests. He know that they are a vengeful unforgiving church. Anyway nothing to lose trying.

  • Observer_din

    Napansin ko lang yung mga anti RH posters  ibinuhos nila galit nila ke Celdran at ke PNOY, me karapatan naman talaga mejo wala sa lugar yung ke Celdran.
    Pero yung ke PNOY parang suggesting lang naman na patawarin na, sinabi naman nya na me mali din si Celdran. Parang nabaligtad ngayon ang dating ang gobyerno na nakikialam sa simbahan kaya madami nagalit na anitRH, pero pag ang simbahan ang nakialam sa gobyerno ok lang para sa mga anti-RH. Just an observation though. :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CG6AWFVDA46M5DMR2G7VNAMFUM Mark

      False Observer

    • Pedro_Gil

      ano ba kayo? di ba malinaw na kailangan na ninyong patawarin ang mga kasalanan ng mga bading? kasama na yung nagpapanggap na lalaki pero bading talaga. hehehe. only in the philippines!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TTUIJSFNLPB3ZAFKTNC3YM47AM Edith

    Patawarin si Celdran kung humihingi siya ng tawad. Nagsisisi ba si Celdran na binastos niya ang Catholic church and its members?

    • rjimenez1226

      nagpaunmahin na ba ang simbahan sa libolibong batang ni rape ng mga pare?

      • Kabakakan

         rjimenez1226?  Ano ba ang topic?

  • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

    Forgiving is easier said than done. It’s always easier for the offender to ask for forgiveness than the offended to forgive. For a vindictive president like Aquino to order the church to forgive is like adding insult to injury.

    Has President Aquino forgiven the trespasses of Bong Naguiat & Rico Puno? Or is President Aquino deliberately just looking the other way?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X2BDUGL6MBU5ZAYBGYDELSSKL4 wyatt

    sanamagan this catholic church! punish your sex predators priests not the people who doesn’t  go with your antiquated ideas! bull!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

      that’s another story.

      • rjimenez1226

        evasive talaga ang mga katoliko sa kademonyohan ng mga pare.

      • bogli_anakdami

        sa susunod na season/chapter yan sa telenovela/teleserye…

  • disqusted0fu

    What does Pnoy have against the church? Seems like he’s always contradicting the church’s decisions. What if the church told him that he should forgive the administration that gave Hacienda Luisita to the farmers?  What’s he going to do about that?

    • catmanjohn

       Aquino haters have an IQ of a mosquito.

      • bogli_anakdami

        ay sus ginoo… eh di si prez gung gong akin’o eh no iq… kc, yung haters may sentido kumon…

  • maximus commentus

    Pinapatawad naman siya ng mga Katoliko kahit pa hindi siya nagsisisi, pero dapat harapin niya ang sentensya niya. Kung hindi, marami lang gagaya dito.

    Pinatawad din agad ni Pope John Paul II ang Turkish assassin na bumaril sa kanya, dinadalaw pa sa kulungan, pero hindi ito pinalaya sa kulungan. Medyo hindi nag-iisip si Pnoy. Kung masusunod ang sinasabi niya, bilang katoliko, dapat din niyang patawarin and corrupt na si GMA, dapat ba itong palayain? Syempre hindi. Dapat siyang managot sa ginawa niya. Ganon din dapat si Celdran.

    Medyo biased syempre si Pnoy sa side ni Celdran kaya siya ganito. Pero overall magaling siyang presidente, lalo na sana kung gayahin niya ang nanay niya pagdating sa moralidad.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, It is  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • catmanjohn

      Get real… Pulling out a protest card and yelling during a Catholic Mass, to voice opposition in a place where sermons were preached against supporting the RH Bill, is much different than stealing money from the nation’s treasury. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        ang ibig mong sabihin, basta sa maliliit na violations ng batas tulad ng caso ni Celdran, palusutin na lang at ang dapat panagutin ay ung malalaking kaso lang? ganun po ba ang gusto ninyong sabihin?
        Tingnan mo ang Singapore, asensado dahil kahit sa napakasimpleng batas, napa strikto mag patupad.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

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      • catmanjohn

        Move to Singapore. It will take another generation to educate the Philippine people to standards that you unrealistically compare them to. Poverty, corruption, and misguided policies (especially of the Catholic Church), have kept the People down for too long.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        E di ba, dapat magsimula tayo sa maliliit na bagay. yan naman  ang filosofia ng ating pangulo, matuwid na daan.  So dapat walang excuse mapa malaki o maliit ang violation sa batas, dapat papanagutin.  

         Kasi kung susundin natin an ipinapahiwatig ng sinabi mo na, It will take another generation to educate the Philippine people to standards that you unrealistically compare them to, hindi talaga tayo uunlad nyan.

        Katulad ng sinasabing mong misguided policies ng Catholic Church, wala naman pumipilit sa atin  na maging Katoliko. Karapatan nating lahat na pumili kung annuong relihiyon ang gusto nating sundi. Kung kinakailangan punain ang misguided policies, lets do it sa proper forum.  Pero wag nating apakan ang karapatan ng iba. sa ginawa ni Celdran, inapakan nya ang karapatan ng mga ordinaryong tao na gustong magdasal ng tahimik at mataimtim sa loob ng kanilang simbahan.

      • catmanjohn

        I unfortunately do not have the intelligence to lower my IQ to your level. You either have common sense or not, and without it, it would be like conversing religious philosophy and national politics with a rock.

  • imongredneck

    I’m sure the church has long forgiven Mr. Celdran. However he has to face the law. Fortunately we have laws that serves to keep the society civil and orderly. Celdran crossed the boundaries, and a fair and just judgement has been duly served.

    • catmanjohn

      So then you should be as fervent to put Enrile, the Arroyos, Estradas, and others in jail for having committed more serious crimes.

      • bogli_anakdami

        shouting inside the church is a serious crime…

        according to flip gung gongs, what the enriles, arroyos, estradas, et al did or do are not…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

    he needs a presidential pardon.

  • henri_see

    Mr. President,

    HE DOES NOT NEED A PARDON. PROBATION is enough to ESCAPE JAIL TIME.
    BUT THERE’S NO PUBLICITY THERE. He’d rather appeal and risk losing than lose the publicity.

    The guy is MEDIA-HUNGRY. I can’t believe that the President with his busy schedule was among those who BIT HIS BAIT.

    Thank you, Sir.

    • bogli_anakdami

      you’re welcome, henri_c

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

    MR PRESIDENT SHOULD UPHOLD THE LAW OF THE LAND!!!!WOW I CAN’T BELIEVE IT….The church can always forgive but not the law…edi palayain nalang nila lahat na nag violate ng batas…Sabagay hindi na bago yan sa mga Aquino, lupa na kakapirangot ng mga magulang ko, dugo at pawis ang puhunan, wala na pinaghatihati na dahil sa CARP na gawa ni Cory pero ang Luisita wala parin nangyayari…Palibhasa utak kumunista mga Aquino, di marunong sumunod sa batas..Abnoy talaga pati mga followers nya abnoy….

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Ang talino mo, pare. =)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

        Hindi sa talino yan pre..personal experience!!!!!

      • rjimenez1226

        actually ang ibig sabihin niya, tanngengot ka. hehe. talagang low IQ ka.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

        inamin ko naman di ako matalino. pero i made 42$/hr sa sipag at tyaga. e ikaw?

    • bogli_anakdami

      totoo yan…

      tingnan mo yung mga magnanakaws sa flipland… kapag binigyan ng abuloy si kaksaker padre dumbasso, all their sins were forgiven, di ba?

      kelan ulit magkakaroon ng prayer breakfast sa shang-ri la makati?… punta ako don para makalahid ng forgiveness…

    • rjimenez1226

      Ang tangengot mo. Bagay kang ilusaw ng Diyos sa mundong ibabaw.

    • citizenH

      The church should also go after the Senators that voted for the RH bill, because they hurt their feelings on that topic as well. I guess that law is open for interpretation depending on  where you are on the socio-economic stratum. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFAP7EYBHCEHPZY5UUKSIIHVGY Para sa iyo din ito

    Siguro mas gusto ni Celdran makulong siya para may pamartyr effect itong publicity wierdo na ito. Bigyan siya ng pagkakataon mag pakumbaba at matutong gumalang sa paniniwala ng ibang tao.

    • maximus commentus

      Oo nga. Saka gusto rin niya para maraming boys. Aminadong bisexual si Celdran according to wikipedia.

      • rjimenez1226

        pantasya mo yan.

      • maximus commentus

         bakit hindi mo i-google.

  • rjimenez1226

    Huwag na lang para tuloy tuloy na ang pagkamartyr ni Celdran at nang sa ganoon maraming anti-friar converts!

    • maximus commentus

      Ang baba naman ng standards mo sa pagiging martir. Nang-istorbo lang ng misa, martir na. Siguro yung kapitbahay ninyo, nagsulat lang ng graffiti, santo naman para sa iyo. LOL,

      • rjimenez1226

        para sa iyo talagang mababa dahil ikaw ay kampo ng demonyo sa totoo lang. ang bantot ng pag-iisip mo.

      • maximus commentus

        o ikaw… nag-reply ka sa akin… martir ka na rin siguro parang si Celdran.. Hahaha. Makainom nga ng tubig tapos ibuga ko sa mukha mo… magiging martir din ba ako?

    • bogli_anakdami

      kung pagka-martyr ang usapan, mas maganda eh tepokin ang mga kaksaker padre dumbasso… mga martyr silang lahat, di ba?

      si celdran eh isa lang… di maganda…

  • rjimenez1226

    Coming fron the president  himself ito ay isang malaking irony. Nakakahiya ang mga paring banal na aso santong kabayo!

    • maximus commentus

      ang nakakahiya yang mga comments mo, pang bobo.

      • rjimenez1226

        tingnan mo ang mga bobong katoliko, ang lakas ng loob tumawag ng iba na bobo. Balasubas na pervert na nangaabuso ng bata!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

      Pinatawad ba ng mga Aquino si Beltran? Namatay nalang yun sa sama ng loob. Mga Aquino talaga di nag iisip ng sinasabi nila. Palibhasa kulang sa buwan…
      Parehas kayo ng idol mong Abnoy..salita ng salita di muna nag-iisip kung nakakabuti ba o hindi..dilang abnoy bakla pa…lol

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Dito masusukat ang HYPOCRISY ng simbahan. Forgiveness ang tinuturo ni Cristo pero itong mga alagad kuno na mga pari, vengeance ang ginagawa.

    I do not believe in Priests anymore.

    • maximus commentus

      Hindi naman sinabi ni Kristo na palayain ang mga lumabag sa batas. Sabi lang niya patawarin, hindi palayain.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Sinabi rin ba ni Cristo, ihabla at ipakulong? patawa talaga kayo.  

      • gWapo

         kung wala nang kasalanan kc pnatawad, dapat malaya na! kaya kung d makalaya, d pinatawad. komonsens. mga huwad talaga!

      • maximus commentus

        syempre, may kasalanan pa rin siya sa batas ng tao kaya dapat siyang makulong.

    • bogli_anakdami

      wala naman kinalaman si cristo sa mga pari eh… tanongin si cristo kung meron syang kakilalang pari?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        tumpak. tama ka kasi in the first place hindi alagad ni Cristo ang mga pari kaya hindi niya kilala ang mga ito.

      • maximus commentus

        Mga katolikong obispo, pari, at kardinal lang ang may traceable roots magmula pa kay San Pedro.

        Buong buhay nila inialay kay Kristo. Sampung taon sa semenaryo, tinalikdan ang pamilya, hindi mag-aasawa at magkakaanak para pag-aralan si Kristo, tapos sasabihin mong hindi alagad?

        Mas paniniwalaan ko pa ang pinsan ng kinakapatid ng kapitbahay ng isang pari kesa sa iyo o kahit sinong gusto lang magtayo ng sariling relihiyon.

      • maximus commentus

        Natural, pope kasi ang kaibigan ni Kristo, si San Pedro, ang unang Papa.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/L6TTZGNCMP4XWQQCNIX65PTNJM Ciano

      doon ka na lang maniwala kay satanas…

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Believing in Satan is synonymous in believing in priests.  Mga epokrito.

      • abner

         si pia plesurable ba ang epokrito??

      • gWapo

        may pagkaiba ba sila?

    • gWapo

      amen to that! many just don’t practice what they preach. r they satans, too?

    • maximus commentus

      It’s called justice. Vengeance is if the priest punched celdran in the face, which did not happen.

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      NAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIERER
      .
      .
      .

      SIGE NGA, SAAN BA BAHAY MO

      PARA PUNTA KAMI AT MAGSISIGAW DOON

      WAG KANG AANGAL

      YAN ANG TINATAWAG NA HYPOCRISY

      IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE PRIESTS

      SO WHAT

      PITIFUL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • bogli_anakdami

      flips and singaporeans are two different species…

      flips haven’t fully evolved…

      • rjimenez1226

        You are the less evolved of the less evolved obviously.

      • txtman

        TAMA NA

        ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

        FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

        NAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIRER

        PITIFUL

  • $38346712

    To forgive the Marcoses and the Arroyos are more beneficial to the country than to forgive Celdran who according to CBCP has long been forgiven by the Church. In fact, the forgiveness he gets has emboldened other people to malign the Church and her hierarchy of which the concrete evidence is this commentary forum of Inquirer. If the Church has not forgiven him he must suffer the ecclesiastical disciplinary actions among them are excommunication and reprimand. But his act was not only sacrilegious according to Church laws but also violative of the law of the state whose head is President Aquino, henceforth the obligation to forgive lies upon the shoulder of the president. He must use his power to pardon or whatever means to spare Celdran from the claws of that law.

    • teekaye2

       Please do not equate corruption with freedom of speech

  • catmanjohn

    There are so many false Christians here who reveal their blind over zealous devotion to outdated rituals, idolatry, hypocrisy, and betrayal of reason, that these same people would be the one’s crucifying Jesus Christ if time allowed it. 

    • Platypus09

      That is better than being agnostics.

      • teekaye2

         Anyone can follow the 10 commandments without following these churches that have  been protecting  their own, who violated young boys and giils in their own church. Who is to say that law abiding agnostics are not better. people and more respectable than these unholy men

      • Platypus09

        You are one of those who are narrow-minded and rule-hating AGNOSTICS by generalizing one or two bad apples make the entire excellent apple orchard worse.

        Your thinking is way too unrealistic and unfar, which is totally wrong.

        Several priests do not make thousands of devoted and true Apostles of Christ (priests) bad as well.

        What make you think like that?

        That is how shameless and unfair AGNOSTICS think..!! 

         

    • maximus commentus

      No, you can’t say that because of the current issue. Celdran is very far from Jesus Christ.

      Celdran is an attention-hungry bisexual who is full of hate. Not very Christlike.

      I think you are the ones who are practicing idolatry. You all idolize this Celdran guy just because he hates Catholics. You are the ones glorifying hate.

      • catmanjohn

        Where do you see Celdran being equated to Jesus Christ. You are not only delusional, but overly judgmental. From unrealistic condemnations and calls for spiteful penalties, I stated my observations honestly.  If your fanatical mindset can not decipher reason from hate, then there is deviation in your moral bearings.  I support Celdran in his courage for expressing his views against the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church practices. That does not mean that I have to hate Catholics, which I do not.

      • maximus commentus

        Duh… your original post was all about equating the Celdran issue with Catholics crucifying Jesus. The news is about the Catholic Church putting Celdran to jail, and then you go saying that given a chance, these people with outdated rituals will crucify Jesus? Need I say more?

        You seem to be smart, you make bold statements, then you backout when you realize that they’re not right. You should man up and not deny them or change their meaning.

      • catmanjohn

        What are you, some flunkie imbecile? Read my original comment. I never mention Celdran, merely the fanatical response which shows the hypocrisy in those who call themselves true Christians. Yes, that means you too.

      • maximus commentus

        Uh..What’s this thread for? Aquino- church should forgive celdran. DUH!

      • panhase

        Maybe you can do something about you comprehension problems.

      • txtman

        TAMA NA

        ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

        FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

        NAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIRER

        PITIFUL

      • okayayonip

        i don’t think Celtran hates RC but he’s only against the CBCP meddling in our politics and at that time about the RH bill. the passing of the bill which was supported by the majority of the population as per survey is a clear indication that fr. Damaso is no longer popular with the public, so let’s wait for another round of yet more controversial issue the divorse bill.

      • txtman

        SURVEY OF WHAT?

        KAYA NGA NILA MINADALI AT DINAAN SA PERA

        KASI ALAM NILA

        NA LUMALABAS NA ANG KATOTOHANAN

        .
        .
         TAMA NA

        ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

        FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

        NAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIRER

        PITIFUL

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      NAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIRER

      PITIFUL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, It is  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • panhase

       We do not have double standards in the Philippines? Since when?

      • txtman

        TAMA NA

        ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

        FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

        NAPAIKOT NA NAMA KAYO NI PENOY & INQUIRER

        PITIFUL

  • Platypus09

    Too late.

    He knows he has to face consequences of his own actions.

    The church is being relevant nowadays as it lives with current societal trends, not being outdated.

    • txtman

      ALL FAITHFUL CATHOLICS

      MUST LEARN THEIR LESSON

      ABOUT THE RH BILL
      .
      .
       AT ANO YUN?

      .
      .

       WAG NA WAG

      MANAHIMIK NA LANG

      OTHERWISE MAGIGISING NA LANG KAYO

      ISANG ARAW

      MGA FEW HUNDRENDS TWITTER BRIGADE

      NA ANG DUMIDKITA SA INYO

      PITIFUL

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Dahil sinabi lang daw ni CRISTONG patawarin, pero hindi sinabi ni CRISTO na HINDI BAWAL ihabla at ipakulong.

    MGA EPOKRITO.

    • maximus commentus

      syempre naman, kung hindi eh di lahat ng kriminal naglalakad lang sa kalsada. Nakakatakot lumabas ng bahay. Wala nang kulungan. Patawarin na lang lahat, wag nang idemanda. Hindi naman perpekto ang mundo dahil may masasamang tao na dapat ikulong at turuan ng leksyon. Wala sa bibliya na bawal magdemanda at magpakulong ng mga lumalabag sa batas. Suportado ng katoliko ang justice system. Pagbitay lang ang hindi.

      Kung ikaw may mangbastos sa pamilya mo, malamang mumurahin mo rin at ipapakulong mo. Sus… sino kaya ang ipokrito.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        OBISPO IMPOKRITO PARA NAKA DRUGS’

      • maximus commentus

        Wala namang salitang impokrito ah, baka ipokrito? Ikaw yata ang sabog. Hindi ko maintindihan salita mo. Humihithit ka yata ng adik. Hala ka, baka ka makulong kasama ni Celdran. LOL.

      • Mendoza_Juniors

         Papa ko yan. Mga born-against kami at pro-testistante!

      • txtman

        TAMA NA

        ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

        FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

        PITIFUL

    • txtman

      FYI

      PAGNAGKASALA KA

      HINDI KA LANG IHAHABLA AT IKUKULONG NG LANGIT
      .

      ANO GAGAWIN SA IYO?
      .
      .

      ITATAPON KA SA KUMUKULONG ASUPRE

      WALANG KAPATAWARAN

      GETS MO?

      READ YOUR BIBLE OR KORAN
      .
      .
      IF NOT

      WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR PITIFUL LIFE

      PITIFUL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

    Pinatawad ba ng mga Aquino si Beltran? Namatay nalang yun sa sama ng loob. Mga Aquino talaga di nag iisip ng sinasabi nila. Palibhasa kulang sa buwan…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XVVCOAZXYTPN2X3IPFCFDSKFM Melvin

      In 1986 President Corazon Aquino ordered the release of Beltran and of all political prisoners. He joined the party-list elections as a second nominee of Bayan Muna in 2001 and won a seat in the House of Representatives. He won a second term in 2004 and a third term in 2007 as Anakpawis representative.[1][2]

  • CyberPinoy

    “We can only love and forgive” – CBCP

    – Mga hipokritong Pari ! kung totoo ang sinasabi nyo bakit hanggang ngayon tinitira nyo padin yung mga politiko na pumabor sa RH Bill, yan ba ang LOVE and FORGIVE. Hangang ngayon gusto nyo padin ng revenge dahil hindi nasunod ang gusto nyo… pwe! mga sinungaling!

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      PITIFUL

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Si Noynoy? Presidente? Anong utak? Binigyan pa ng halaga ang isang bastos na eskandaloso? Sabagay kapatid nya ganyan din. Marami dyan nangangailangan ng awa ni Noynoy pero ano ginawa? Sus Coryosep!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARLOS CELDRAN IS A HERO LIKE JOSE RIZAL NAG SASABI LANG SIYA NG 22O BAKIT KAILANGAN PARUSAHAN SIYA NI JESUITS AT NI SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO! CBCP BISHOPS SALOT SA PILIPINAS KUNG MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS!! GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO AKALA NILA ANG PINAS POULTRY!

    • maximus commentus

      Parang Rizal? Kumukulo nga dugo ni Rizal sa mga dugong Kastila na nasa Pilipinas gaya ni Celdran. Hindi pati bisexual si Rizal gaya ni Celdran kadiri. Babae lang gusto ni Rizal, lalaking-lalaki, totoong matalino at matapang, hindi babading-bading, hindi bastos at papansin.

      Kung tutuusin binabastos ng isang Kastila (Celdran) ang mga Pilipinong Katoliko. Malamang galit diyan si Rizal kung buhay pa siya.

      Paano naging hero parang si Rizal? Isasakripisyo ba niya buhay niya para labanan ang mga Chinese sa Scarborough? Grabe naman sa komparison…nag-sumbrero lang Rizal na… pang-bopols talaga.

    • Kabakakan

      Is our National Hero José Protacio Rizal Mercado y Alonso Realonda, really that low? C’mon!? Really? Comparing Celdran to Rizal? Let’s not be blinded that Celdran asks this upon himself. And now that he’s punished for the act, expects sympathy? Freedom of Speech? So in the premise, I can also go inside a Mosque, hold a placard with “TERRORIST” on it, and that’s Freedom of Speech? Last time I checked, Freedom of Speech is not absolute. Freedom without a sense of RESPONSIBILITY, is ANARCHY!

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      PITIFUL

    • speaksoftlylove

       Maniniwala lang akong “a hero like Jose Rizal” yang bata mo kung magpapabaril din yan sa Luneta, kuha mo DOGYOT?

  • AlexanderAmproz

    P-Noy is a decent man, as usual !

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Disente na pakialamero? Pati sa batas? Sa Kongreso? TT mo?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FLJTDAJBXYODZXD5KAK76UT73Q Nerraw

    Simple lang, Celdran cross the line at may batas para dyan kaya dapat lang na parusahan sya. Sabagay si Abnoy walang galang sa batas dahil nung congressman pa sya ni isang batas wala syang nagawa, kaya nga pinatalsik si Corona dahil gusto galawin ang hacienda…simple pero abnoy…

  • Teresita Sy

    No forgiveness. As catholics, we do not do that!

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      PITIFUL

    • mhertz

      You ask first if Celdran  ask an  apology. He has long forgiven and no case filed against him, if he is being sorry about what he have done. But he is proud of what he has done so he should be proud to be in jail too…. Forget about  those  people who are peaceful in that church that time, and celebrate the goodness of the offender?  And it is okay that he will do it again? i guess we will never learn…

  • maypakialam

    i ask the churches in this republic that the separation  between state and church be respected. also i did not agree with the church’s stand on the said bill now a law. but i do not agree with the methods used by mr. celdran that was disrespect. not only to the church but to God. please how much ever we disagree with each other let us not disrespect God and people on solemn prayer to God.

  • UrHONOR

    NAGKALAT ang mga supling ni damasing!  Natural lang naman na dapat ipagtanggol ng mga anak ang kanilang ama at ang utang ng kanilang mga ina :)

    Huwag nang humingi npa ng TAWAD sa mga TNL na yan….hindi magpapatawad ang mga yan dahil kuripot.  Mas mabuti pa kay kabise humingi ng tawad….kahit papaano, nagpapatawad si kabise.  At kung sakaling hindi siya magpatawad, napipiho ko na magbibigay siya ng kalendaryo. 

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN

      FOI BILL ANG PAG-USAPAN

      PITIFUL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Send the PEDOPHILE priests to jail!

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Send them. sino pumipigil sa yo? tama ka naman ah para sama sila ni celdran. sumama ka na rin kaya?

    • txtman

      TAMA NA

      ANG KABADINGAN DYAN

      FOI BILL

      ANG PAG-USAPAN

      PITIFUL

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Sabi sa news report: ”  The Philippine government, however, would continue to probe the incident
    with no less than President Aquino saying the US apology does not
    exempt the ship’s crew from accountability.”

    Bakit kay Celdran iba ang justice? Walang accountability? Basta kontra Katoliko ok lahat? Manigas kayo!

  • txtman

    TAMA NA
     
    ANG KABADINGAN
     
    .
    .

    FOI BILL
     
    ANG PAG-USAPAN
    .
    .

    SEE, PINAPAIKOT NA NAMAN KAYO NG INQUIRER & PENOY.
    .

    FOI BILL

    FOI BILL
    .
    .
    PITIFUL

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Ayoko ko na maging Katoliko. Buti pa mag Aktibista na lang ako o kaya mag Born-against o Protestistante kasi patawarin ka ni Pnoy kahit magwala ka man o mag rebelde o mag protesta sa kahit kanino basta anti Katoliko ka lang o kaya Pro-RH.

  • Mendoza_Juniors

     Basahin nyo Tubbataha news report: 

    “The Philippine government, however, would continue to probe the incident with no less than President Aquino saying the US apology does not exempt the ship’s crew from accountability.”

    Bakit kay Celdran iba ang justice? Walang accountability? Basta kontra Katoliko ok daw basta ibang paraan?  Hehehe

    • UPnnGrd

      hmmmm….     ang takot lang ni Celdran o sino pa man…. hindi puwedeng gawin iyung ganuon sa Iglesia ni Kristo samba-han  o sa Buddhist temples  o sa Hindu temples  o sa  Muslim temples.

  • imongredneck

    Celdran in an interview said that it was well worth it. If he is talking about his jail term, maybe he is happy about. Where else can he be frequently probed?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS NOT 4 GIVE CELDRAN SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO! CBCP BISHOPS SALOT GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO AKALA SIGURO ANG PINAS POULTY NG MGA BATANG HUBO!

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Tama! Tamaan ng kidlat!

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Alin mas magandang relihiyon? Born-against o Protestistante?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      ALAM KO KUNG ANO KATOLIBAN EXTREMIST TERRORIST CBCP BISHOPS SALOT!

      • Mendoza_Juniors

         Viva Born-against at Protestistante!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

      Mas maganda Burn Again in hell… i-recruit mo lang si pacman, may libre ka nang pamasahe at hotel sa vegas,.. kahit itanong mo kay villanueva!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS LOVE DAMASO!! LIAR PWE! OBISPO SALOT

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Yong kita natin sa bagong Born-against natin itago nyo! Sama mo na ang mga Protestistante natin na kaibigan!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    IBA TALAGA PAG MALAKAS KAY LORD JESUITS LOVE YOU CELDRAN TIME TO JAIL OBISPO SALOT

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Papa po!

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Ibangon ang mga Born-against at Protestistante dito sa  Inquirer! Ibangon tapos ibagsak din!

  • joerizal

    The bishops are certified hypocrites. They say Amen to the judgement against Celdran (because it favors them), but they can’t accept the government’s approval of the RH Bill into law. Magtanim na lang kayo ng kamote para may pakinabang naman sa inyo!

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Mamundok ka kaya? alam mo ang rule of law? Pag kontra sa mga Katoliko walang rule of law?  Bully!

      • joerizal

        Bobo ka talaga. Talagang walang rule of law na nag-aapply sa isang religious denomination. Ang problema eh yang mga pari at bishops mo na pakialamero. Samahan mo sila sa kangkungan.

  • ARIKUTIK

    Let the church withdraw its case againts Celdran. It is not right for the church to seek justice through human court. The church is for God and God is the judge of the Faithful. Manila Cathedral listen > will you seek justice in human court ? If that is so then your church is not of God but under human rule. FORGIVE CELDRAN AND WITHDTRAW THE CASE. IT IS GOD WHO WILL JUSTIFY THE FAITHFUL…. Church listen > do not seek protection from humans for in doing so, you don’t believe your God who promised to protect the believers.

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Gawin mo sa Muslim tapos sabihin mo sa kanila yan.

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Alam mo pag ginawa mo yan sa Mosque? Di na kailangan ang courts na sinasabi mo. Sang-ayon sila na wala nang korte sagabal lang.

    • speaksoftlylove

       Isa pang ignoramus ito. Nasentensyahan na nga, “withdraw it’s case against Celdran” ka pa dyan. Baka ibang witdrawal yang nasa kukote mo? Ginagaya mo yang idol mo na kasing liit mo din ang utak. Bakit, pag pinatawad ba ng CBCP si Jose Rizal ay makakalaya  na? Tingnan nyo pareho ang kagungungan ninyo.

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Sige na nga ipokrito na nga ang mga bishops. Patawarin si Celdran. Pero gawin din natin yan sa lahat ng simbahan ng Born-against at Protestistante tapos patawarin din lagi. Kung hindi lahat sila ay ipokrito din.

    • ARIKUTIK

      Justice from God is greater than human justice. Manila Cathedral had erred in filing a case againts Celdran. Hope God may have mercy on them.

      • Mendoza_Juniors

         Karma ang kahulugan. Si Santiago nauna na sa karma ng RH law. ngayon si Celdran pangalawa. Sino sunod?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/276L22SZM5ZUQGV24IL4ZEF6UA Edward

        dre, nasapul nyo…

  • Hey_Dudes

    It is all for the better that this organization of hypocrites (CBCP) had this individual (Celdran) sentenced and jailed for whatever he did.

    However, from hereon end, it will be a litmus test for this same hypocrites in the event a case is filed against a priest pedophile if they will acquiesce to the court’s decision.

    • speaksoftlylove

      Wag ka ng magngitngit at pinatawad na raw ng CBCP ang bata mo. Kaya lang magpahinog daw muna siya sa bilangguan para malinawan ang utak niya. Dalhan mo na lang daw ng pagkain ang bata mo kung gusto mong makatulong, tsaka pirated DVD.

      • Hey_Dudes

        Bakit ko dadalhan ng pagkain at DVD e tiyak na ikaw ang lalamon nito dahil magkasama kayo sa karcel?

      • Mendoza_Juniors

         Karma-karma lang yan. Sama ka?

  • speaksoftlylove

    Dapat pa nga iharap sa firing squad itong si Celdran sa Luneta para makumpleto at matupad ang pangarap niyang maging Jose Rizal.

    “Peloton, a puntir, fuego!”

    • ARIKUTIK

      Eh di natulog na siya forever. Wala ng sakit sa ulong maghanap buhay….. eeeewwww …. what a dumb…… maka tulog na nga lang. BTW mas type ko yong, unti unting naa agnas ang buntot nya sa harap …… nya ….hahaha….. byeeeeeee >>>>>>

  • mhertz

    Teka teka Mr President, patawarin kaagad? Eh di nga nag apology, bias pala tong” binoto ko na presidente. Diba nga wla sanang kaso sa kanya kung nag apology noon pa si Mr. Celdran? Nagpapasalamat kana ba kay Cardinal Sin noon na nanindigan sa demokrasya at ang nanay mo tumira sa Carmelites sisters? Parang wla nang nagawang kabutihan ang Catholic sayo na basta-basta mo nalang ididiin.

    • ARIKUTIK

      Madadamay si Penoy ! yeheyyyyyy….. patawarin agad si Celdran …. boom …tara ….tarat…. boom….boom….byeeeeeee >>>>>>>>

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    Divorce Law na ang pag-usapan….after election 2013 dapat isulong na ang DIVORCE LAW MR. pRESIDENT! 

    • Mendoza_Juniors

      Gusto mo ma-karma? Ito na ang karma ng RH. Sunod-sunod na yan.

    • maximus commentus

      Isulong na lang kaya natin itong kamay ko sa mukha mo? Mahirap na nga ang Pilipinas, balak nyo pang gawing imoral. Pagiging banal at malapit sa Diyos lang nga ang maipagmamalaki nating mga Pilipino eh.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

      Bakit kulang pa ba ang kikitain nyo sa RH?

  • moshki

    …hypocrites…charges should not be made in the first place…but then again…Mr. Celdran’s action is obviously inappropriate and in the wrong place at the wrong time…i love to see him do that inside a Mosque…serve the time well Mr. Celdran hope you don’t get “turned out” in there…

    • speaksoftlylove

       Sabi ni kumag, “it’s worth it” naman daw. Sana patunayan ni kumag ang kayabangan niya. Sa araw mismo ng paglaya niya, bumalik kaagad siya sa Cathedral at maghihiyaw  ulit siya doon ng “Damaso.” It’s worth it naman pala so anong pinapapel nitong Great Imp ng palasyo, nanggugulo lang?

  • Mendoza_Juniors

    Two downs: 1) Santiago 2) Celdran 3)?

    • Mendoza_Juniors

       Abangan . . .

  • Hey_Dudes

    In Myanmar, Cambodia and elsewhere, Monks burn themselves to protest against abuses in society.  In our country, when Bishops are offended, they file cases and treat politicians to lunch!  It is only appropriate these men wearing ruby robes and funny looking hats – HYPOCRITES of the highest order.  SUV’s  Monsignors?  Ilan na ba ang nag-resigned sa bilang ninyo bishop?

    • maximus commentus

      You said it yourself, “in Myanmar, monks burn themselves to protest against
      the government.” Catholic priests in the Philippines have the right to
      do the same as well.

      Though, burning ones self is an act of suicide and is therefore a sin, so our priests won’t do that, they will just protest in an appropriate manner.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

      eh mga pastors hut hut ng hut hot! mas corrupt pa sa congressman 

      • marionics

        tama ka pare sunugin silang lahat pari man o pastor atsaka lahat ng religious haha katoliko o inc o born again para pantay pantay di ba

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

        Mas agressibo pa nga ang pastors manghut-hut sa mga tao.. 10%!!!??? san ka pa?!?!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    Lumabag sa batas dapat makulong! Kung ordinaryong tao gumawa kulong agad. si Celdran may kaya dapat ganun ba pag may kaya hindi na dapat makulong??? anung klaseng bansa ang Pilipinas? banana republic. walang kwenta! ikulong nayang bading na yan. pantay pantay dapat ang trato. 

  • maximus commentus

    Divorce naman daw oh, grabe talagang makasalanan na ang ibang mga Pilipinong buang, mahilig manggaya sa mga dayuhang puti. Ang babaduy, Nakakadiri.

    May sarili tayong kultura, hindi tayo dapat nanggagaya… lalo na ng imoralidad. Kaya tayo hindi umasenso eh… gaya-gaya lang tayo lagi, yung mali pa ang ginagaya natin.

    Nagpauto pa kayo dyan kay Celdran, eh hindi naman purong Pilipino yan at hindi sa atin lumaki. Takaw atensyon lang yan dahil hindi siya pinapansin sa ibang bansa, sa Pilipinas nga naman sikat siya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SHJZR76LIZ3P6EC3DHL5RKXKAU Sargo

    mga bading salot sa lipununan!!! 

  • batukan

    a pathetic move, act, words mr. president.  you are favoring a disrespectful, distasteful and foolish act.  this is out of propriety and truly a non-filipino character.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

    P’noy…, does not need to ask the Plaintiff to forgive Celdran.
    He, P’noy, is empowered to do this, with the “duly delegated power of his office”.
    (Personally, I believe, this Celdran does not deserve forgiveness for his infraction)

  • Ravens727

    Philippine’s Freedom of Speech is in its last breath…….May sumigaw lang na “Damaso” nakulong na…..Yong mga ibang pari nga na kilala ko nang chi chicks pa…..hanggang ngayon naka sutana pa……e saan nila kinukuha yong pang check-in nila diba sa limos………..

    • marcopolotorres

      Kilala mo pala bat di mo dalhin s korte ang reklamo mo?

  • mrgracia

    Mali naman talaga si Celdran, dapat sa labas na lang siya ng simbahan nagsisigaw ng kanyang protesta. Kung sa ibang relihiyon niya ginawa ‘yon, baka tinalupan siya ng buhay… Ngayong makukulong siya, mas makakakuha siya ng simpatiya sa mga tao. Mararanasan niya ngayon ang naranasan ng ilang kabataan sa kamay ng mga bading na Damaso. Asahan niyong mao-oros siya ng mga kosang naghihintay na sa kanya, hahaha-hahaha-hahaha!

  • dotz314

    The president may have overlooked that the crime is not against the church. it is against the people of the Philippines. The law by which Celdran is convicted is not an edict of the church but by the state. The state simply protected the rights of the people, not only the church. The act made by Celdran is a disrespect to others rights, not only of the church. He must be made to answer for his act. It is not a case of freedom of expression. It is an irresponsible disrespect by someone who thinks he is above the law and now wants to hide under the guise of freedom of expression.

  • Trollollolloll

    Penoy should get himself crucified for the forgiveness of Celdran.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2I3ZP5BXVKL5LSJ37L7YFRLZKQ Antonio

    ewan ko ba kung bakit nire-relate ang RH law sa issue na ito.  walang kinalaman ang RH law sa pagkulong kay celdran. kaya siya ikukulong ay yung pag-disrespeto niya sa loob ng simbahan na may misa at mga nagsisimba.  kung ginawa niya sa labas ng simbahan, hindi siya sana makukulong.  tapos anti-Freedom of Expression daw yung pagkulong.  nagawa na nga niya e. he had all the freedom to go inside the church and made a mockery of the mass. so where is restricting freedom there?  absolutely none.   he just needs to face the consequence of violating a law he’s not aware of.  again, ignorance of a law is not an excuse.

    • just_the_guy

      Nung ginawa nya kasi yung ginawa nya sa simbahan, kinampihan agad sya ng mga pro-RH kaya ganun. Sa madaling sabi, ginamit sya. 

  • 19KaraniwangTao72

    no need for Pres. Aquino to seek forgiveness for Celdran, let him learn his lessons …. RESPECT others feeling ..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UW2U5GS3TZRH44KE5GQRARFJ24 angeles

    You can not do that with Islam. You will get beheaded. Mr. Celdran was overzealous with his conviction and he got carried away. Let him learn his lesson. Let us not blow this issue out of proportion. No matter what, the truth remains. The Catholic church is indestructible tested by time as was declared by Jesus Himself.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WXGOFVZR56DN5BBPIDILD7C7ZU dor

    Hipokrito namn  ito, they forgive daw tapos sabi nagsalita n ang court then wala na sila magagwa..TANGA din eh noh? Eh d sana, ung case mo pina recall mo na dati pa before umusad ang case…#anakngkambing

  • GaggerAlert

    Hahaha.. uu nga namn. Respect other religions.

    Pero kapag ang religion e nakekeelam na sa state, then the church should be treated like how we treat politicians. Nobody’s immune.

    Kaya piece of advice CBCP, lay off the affairs of the state. Nakakairita lang talga kayo, kasi parang nagpapansin lang kayo. 

    In reality, nobody really cares about your opinion. You have your own interest, but if we talk about the state, its more encompassing than what you people think is good for our morality.

  • Platypus09

    What makes you guilty of what these people posted?

    Guilty as charged, you are..



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