RH advocate Carlos Celdran guilty of offending Church

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Carlos Celdran. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

MANILA, Philippines—The Metropolitan Trial Court found tour guide and Reproductive Health advocate Carlos Celdran guilty of offending religious feeling under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code.

Based on the ruling issued by MeTC Branch 4 Judge Juan Bermejo Jr., Celdran is meted with an indeterminate sentence of 2 months and 21 days of imprisonment to a maximum of one year, 1 month and 11 days of imprisonment.

“Wherefore, premises considered, accused Carlos Celdran is found guilty beyond reasonable doubt for the crime of Offending the Religious Feelings under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code and applying the Indeterminate Sentence Law, there being no mitigating and aggravating circumstance, he is hereby sentenced to suffer imprisonment of two months and 21 days as minimum to one year, one month and 11 days…” the MeTC Branch 4 said in its ruling.

The lower court gave credence to the testimony of witnesses saying “the positive declaration of the witnesses for the prosecution and the circumstances surrounding the incident are sufficient to satisfy the quantum of evidence needed for a criminal conviction.”

The case stemmed from the complaint of violation of Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code filed by Monsignor Nestor Cerbo of the Manila Cathedral.

Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

On Sept. 30, 2010, Celdran staged a protest, where, dressed as the Filipino national hero Jose Rizal, he shouted inside Manila Cathedral that the church should stop meddling in government affairs while holding a “Damaso” sign referring to “Padre Damaso,” the antagonist priest in Rizal’s Noli Me Tangere.

Celdran said he would appeal against the court’s decision, describing the authorities’ use of the little-known and rarely used law as a threat to freedom of speech.

“I am calm but I am going to fight this till the end,” Celdran said in a statement posted on social media alongside a copy of the court’s decision. Celdran remains free on bail, pending his appeal.

International rights monitor Human Rights Watch said it was alarmed by the use of an “archaic” law to prosecute Celdran.

“This is a setback for free speech in the Philippines, which prides itself on being a democracy,” Human Rights Watch Asia researcher Carlos Conde said in a statement.

The proposed law that Celdran spoke out in favor of during his protest was eventually approved by Congress last year and came into effect on January 17.

The law requires government health centers to hand out free condoms and birth control pills, benefiting tens of millions of the country’s poor who would not otherwise be able to afford or have access to them.

It also mandates that sex education be taught in schools.

Catholic Church groups have filed petitions with the Supreme Court, asking it to overturn the law.

About 80 percent of the Philippines’ 100 million people are Catholic, a legacy of Spanish colonial rule that ended in the late 1800s, and the church remains one of the nation’s most powerful institutions.

Officials at the court that handed down the verdict were not immediately available to comment. With a report from AFP

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  • huseng_batute

    “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”  — Obiwan Kenobi

    • danielmondejar

      noble is thy word only thou uttered totally out of context!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        well actually, it is relevant.

        you see, i would never have known who he was and what he was all about.
         
        until this.

        Anybody can disrupt a mass, run around it, then disappear without a trace. But to run its course until it becomes a question of law, then it goes beyond just RCC and Mr Celdran. It becomes case law.

      • huseng_batute

        It is well within context.  If he serves jail time, he will get more media mileage.  More people will read about his cause.

  • magiting78

    Yan kc masyado epal….pwd naman mag protesta sa mahinahon at makataong pamamaraan….

    • MNLFoodcritic

       kasi masyadong maepal din ang katolikong simbahan. sana ang simbahan mahinahon at makatong pamaraan din ang modus…

      • Verchez

         Tama. Akala ko ba tinuturan tayong magpatawad pero ito mismong obispo ang naghabla. Ano ba ang kasalanan ni Cedran? Ibununyag nya lang ang katotohanan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

        exactly!!!!

      • magiting78

        Tama, subalit ginagawa ba nila ang ginagawa natin..sa pakikipaglaban ng ating karapatan natatapakan n natin ang karapatan ng iba..
        Halimbawa sa mga rally tama karapatan natin mag pahayag subalit tau ay nakakasagabal sa daan..karapatan din ng mga mootorista at pasahero ng isang maginhawang pag lalakbay..
        Bawat karapatan ay may kaakibat n responsibilidad….

    • kangsongdaeguk

       mahinahon at makato na yun promise, unlike nung “poleteismo” incident – talagang may nagvandal pa sa loob ng CCP.

  • http://www.yellowmythbusters.gov.ph/ Weder-Weder Lang

    This is a win-win solution for both parties.

    Carlos Celdran got his 15 minutes of fame.

    The Roman Catholic Church retains its eternal hold on the Philippines.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

    i thought this was a free country

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L3NJ4IIZZMB2OMPIOR7X2B72ME k

      its a free country but never abuse freedom,boy!

      if you want to express yourself,do it in a public place and not inside the church and in the middle of the mass.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        is the church not a public place?

        is the church not a venue where the priests air their homily? the views of the CBCP? and other RCC decrees?

        When the church airs such opinions on against the RH, are people who disagree with such opinions hurt, when the church use cutting words such as ‘maka demonyo,’ ‘di-maka dyos’ or ‘di makatao?’

        Is the church only for RCC members or is it open to anyone who has a question of faith?

        Can I not question my faith in church?

        Can I not express my opinions in church?

        Can the church question our leaders, and in return, can we question the people who lead the church?

        Can the priests not yell invectives against its enemy like satan? And can an ordinary person not do the same to what they perceive as their enemy?

        Are priests’ expressions during the celebration of the mass protected as part of free speech?

      • http://www.facebook.com/allan.advincula Allan Advincula

        Oh god, what part of 
        Revised Penal Code Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful  Do you not understand?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Does your religious religious celebration, in which you support a particular stand in a question of law (RH) override anybody else’s right to express oneself?

        You see, the question Celtran was pointing out was that the RCC was blanketing the RH question under the right of religious freedom, which is incorrect, SINCE IT WILL BE LIKEWISE, OFFENSIVE to those freely observing their own forms of religion, which answers the RH question differently. (Yes, there ARE protestant denominations which DOES advocate proper RH here in RP) If that is the case, can these other protestant denomination have a case since the RCC’s stand is OFFENSIVE to theirs?

        But then one might point out Celdran was offensive inside the church. Then I would remind you recently that the church was offended on the exhibits shown at the CCP which was art, albeit controversial for the RCC. If the church has protection within the church, surely the artists have protection on the museum where it can both express feelings. I remember the RCC raised a lot of complaint which forced the city government to pressure the museum to cut it short or not show the pieces. If the RCC can show its opinion, then why can’t any other person do the same?

        Simply, The RH was never part of the religious observance all through out RCC’s history. Putting it under the skirt of religious freedom, then claiming hurt and offended because someone called you out simply isn’t right.

        You will remember, he called out the Churche’s or rather the CBCP’s political stand. Not their faith

        “Do you not understand?”

        ..and I understand perfectly.

      • magsasakasanayon

        obviously you don’t understand this law.

      • un budsman

        Christianity had its chance to rule the world before, for thousands of years….It was called the DARK AGES…. Apparently it hasnt left Philippines shores…. 

      • henri_see

         So you want to return it to the Stone Age where every bit of decency is gone? Like respecting somebody in his own house?

        Idiot.

      • Mikaelo

        We can. But with freedom of expression, comes boundaries. 

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Agreed. Intent should be without malice or harm.

        But in this case, wasn’t Celdran telling the truth, that the CBCP, the church were going into boundaries beyond what is legal according to the constitution.

        Now, if we are going to ask, what damage was done? hurt feelings of the RCC vs. RCC’s politicizing a question of state law?

        Somehow hurt feelings, without real or permanent damages do not measure up.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JMIY3BAK6WSUU4QYNGGDD5D4BU berong

        for every freedom,there is a boundary.if you abuse freedom,it leads to lawlessness…

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        And the difference is the intent. Do you wish to kill, or do you wish bodily harm. Then the textbook example is yelling fire.

        But when your intent is to tell the people the honest hurtful truth, that the church is meddling in state affairs, and that it should stop, and that the highest quantifiable damage is a ‘hurt feeling’ then no.

        People get hurt feelings everytime they read something bad written or spoken against them. Our case bears nothing compared the citizenry telling our leaders their opinions, which…… well the church does too.

      • henri_see

         The church is a private place open to the public.
        It’s not anything goes there, like in most places.

        With that alone, sablay na lahat ng sinabi mo, troll.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “With that alone, sablay na lahat ng sinabi mo, troll.”

        And yet you responded to the troll. You just lost the game, since your argument is invalid.

        “The church is a private place open to the public.”

        Just like a mall is a private place open to the public.

        Just like a bus is a private vehicle open to the public.

        “It’s not anything goes there, like in most places.”

        Hmmmm. do priest shout sermons sometimes?

        Do priest use it to preach political views like that of the RH?

        There you go.

      • henri_see

        Troll.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        victim of the troll.

        Anyway, kudos to you for attacking the messenger, rather than the message.

        I’m sure your debate skills are way up there.

      • henri_see

        Nice. Like you and Celdran attacking the Damaso, not the church message. Perfect. Apply ka sa Harvard.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        At least we got the temerity to face people, have discourses, and defend our selves in more ways than one. Too bad for you, you can’t even defend your own thoughts.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “The church is a private place open to the public.
        It’s not anything goes there, like in most places.”

        duh!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EISVG3E73H2NYEBBJI2TKYHRUY Common Sense

        If ‘freedom’ cannot be ‘abused’, then it’s not much of a ‘freedom’ to begin with. 

        Which is why YOU live in Medieval Times, and which is why the Philippines is such a shit-eating poor country….

      • teekaye2

         I agree it was bad taste and he should have been removed from the Church  , BUT JAILED NO WAY

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ITHRKJWK3EGO2FR7BJSGPKJWF4 emmanuel

      Yes it is. But freedom has its limits. There is an avenue for expression of grievances and that right is guaranteed by the Philippine Constitution. As long as everyone acts within the limits of such provision, there should be no problem.

    • READMENOW2011

      Your freedom ends where other people’s freedom begins. 

  • brunogiordano

    Eto ang dapat dalhin sa SC.

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!

    Hindi naman SUNOG! SUNOG! SUNOG! ang kanyang isinigaw sa loob ng cathedral na may maraming tao.

    Ang nahatulan lang na hindi sakop ng Freedom of Speech ay iyong isang tao na sumigaw ng SUNOG! SUNOG! sa loob ng isang theater na may maraming tao na humantong sa stampede na kinamatay ng maraming tao.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allan.advincula Allan Advincula

      Rights has limitation especially if steps on other people’s rights. And also,  
      Revised Penal Code Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful 

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Agreed.

      I suppose it is a question of the intent of the person. Is it with malice.

      Now the question: is expressing your own disappointment with the church by meddling into state affairs malicious or not?

      was it done to humiliate (as if) the people, the church goers, god? or the very people trying to create undue influence over policy?

  • ever green

    truth hurts…masyadong nasaktan ang mga pari…..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MESKVVF473U4YSVN343XOT2XLE kram

      Kabastusan yung ginawa kaya sya nakulong hindi dahil sa sinabi nya..

  • Mark Philip Wu

    Just why is this a crime with a criminal penalty? Isn’t the point of jail to keep dangerous people such as murderers and rapists away from us? A heavy fine and community service should be enough, having someone serve jail time for something like this is stupid. This isn’t theft or plunder or anything like that even

  • gabbybal

    Yes, Daniel, “free country” but freedom has its limits… I am free to enter to your house and makes stupid noises but am sure you’ll sue me for trespassing. You are free to cross a traffic but at your own risk, etc., etc… Misusing and abusing your freedom is going down to the level of unthinking lesser animals…. Use your freedom responsibly and teach it to your children.

    • magsasakasanayon

      well, you should tell that to the CBCP when it is meddling with government policies. tsk tsk. use your brain, iho.

  • gabbybal

    If he does it in the Mosque is he be still alive?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DC55ZI73EDVVOXECZBGA64727A Ted

       He’s Dead! 100%

  • http://www.facebook.com/allan.advincula Allan Advincula

    Ano ba ang kasalanan: 
    Revised Penal Code Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful 

    • ben987654321

      well it’s also in the constitution of separation of church and state but the church chooses to twist arguments to make their meddling seem legal. if indeed this guy committed a sin in a place of worship and he is truly misled, it is more dignified and Christian-like for these priests to just forgive and pray for this sinner don;t you think? besides what real harm has he really done except offend the clergies? the priests could’ve taken the higher ground and jsut forgive the offender but it chose to be vindictive to drive home the message that it will not be forgiving against those contrary to their views. pity them

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

        Did he ask forgiveness for his action? So why will the priest forgive him? Even God won’t forgive unless the sinner ask for forgiveness. If you always forgive  wrong doers, who do n ot even ask for forgiveness, what kind of society will we have?
        If I enter your house and I say something nasty about you or your husband or your mother, will you let me go, forgive me, even if I do not ask for forgiveness? I bet, if you have a gun, I will leave your house horizontally. 

  • BatangSingapore

    mabubulok na yan sa bilanguan.

  • nice_boy

    Buti nga kulong lang.  Si Jose Rizal binaril sa Luneta.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7US4SIEZOJLP4A3BQLYYDY6UWQ Kim

    who killed rizal?

    • boytz

      The “DAMASOS”???????

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDMUJ6NKKCLWRMVMJRLJFI633I Rene V

    wow! i didn’t know it was a crime to offend religious feeling in the Philippines!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

      If you did the offense while inside one’s religious site it is a crime. Why don’t you make fun of Mohammad inside a mosque?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDMUJ6NKKCLWRMVMJRLJFI633I Rene V

        i am not that person who makes fun of religion. i only commented that i did not know it was a crime to offend religious feeling… and that includes offending the people inside a mosque. hey albin, did you just say that i was a religious fanatic?

  • teekaye2

     Where is the freedom of speech is it justice to be jailed for this? Would you be jailed for shouting outside    niegbours house??

    • $5699914

      Hindi ka makukulong kung sa labas ka nagsisigaw ng hinaing mo pero sa loob kasi ng simbahan niya ginawa kaya tama lang yung sinapit niya na matalo sa kaso.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

        Not only did he do it in church.. he did it while some kind of service was going on. BAstos talaga siya.

      • $5699914

        Mabuti nga at naging sibilisado pa ang taong simbahan at mga parishioners ng panahon na yun…hindi siya nakatikim kahit na isang batok man lang at demanda lang ang inabot niya….hindi naman kasi pinagbbawalan na magsalita against the catholic church pero gawin lang sa tamang forum at sibilisadong paraan…

        Walang pinagkaiba iyan na may isang party/handaan na nagaganap sa isang tahanan, maraming bisita na kaibigan at kamag-anak ng mga nakatira, tapos may isang tao na papasok basta-basta at gagawa ng eskandalo sa gitna ng pagtitipon….sasabihin mo ba na ‘karapatan ng lalaki na gawin iyon dahil sa freedom of speech???” malaking kalokohan kung ganoon pa rin ang katwiran ng mga nabubulagan!

    • Andres_Bagumbayan

      Puwede po kayong makulong lalo na’t may inaalipusta kayong tao…ang tawag po duon ay “public scandal”…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/POWE7DWTFD25JXC5AJYAYBL65M JB

    Hindi ba pwede na ipagpasa-diyos na lang ng mga pari ang kasalanan ni Celdran sa kanila? Wa ha ha ha ha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

      I think the bishop will forgive him. He just wanted to send a message that there are things that cannot just be done as one pleases. There is such a thing as right or wrong. .. But the problem is, Celdran might not even apologize. He will try to exploit the martyr effect and try to gain sympathy. Then let him stay in jail for a while.

  • Guest

    Kawawa si Celdran, lamog ang pwet nya sa Manila City Jail. Pero bakla naman sya, baka okay din lang sa kanya. Maraming pari din naman ang bakla, dapat sa kanila na lang sya nagpakana.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    “Don’t be too concerned with your rights so as to forget your manners.”

    Rights can be waived, generally.

    • teekaye2

       Manners are important but should not be placed ahead of freedom of speech

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        Good luck with that.

  • droccu

    This can be a very dangerous precedent…The provision dictates the imposition of a penalty upon anyone “who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” Does this mean that if someone professes his support for the RH provisions (for example) during a religious rally by the CBCP (celebration of any religious ceremony even outside the church?) that he can likewise be charged as offending religious feeling under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code?

    Just the same, this is a good test case that should go through all the legal appeals (Court of Appeals up to the Supreme Court) for the law to be better defined and properly implemented.

  • Pok2

    He should have done it outside. I remember my uncle punching a protestor while he was saying mass in Batonrouge Louisiana, USA. He got sued for assault and force to become a US ARMY chaplain. For Carlos, you’re lucky it wasn’t my uncle. I sympathize to your cause but the method is wrong. Have fun in jail and don’t drop the soap.

  • kilabot

    prison bars are becoming to this pervert. 
    he would need plenty of rh condoms once behind bars; 
    as inmates line up to analyze him with hiv/aids-enhanced pleasure.

    • tskpinas

      yeah he’s like all those perverted pedophile priest right?

      see this is why we need the RH bill, your parents should have been given condoms really.

      • boytz

        The world is now miserable that his parents did not (avail).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

      Don’t forget the KY jellyMr. Celdran.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        why is there priests in jail

  • marionics

    this is easily reversed

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       oo, pero, sayang ang drama.

      • marionics

        mismo

  • panhase

    Those who want to punish others for criticizing their ideas clearly cannot, deep down, have much faith in the merits of their ideas.

  • Gherome Cruz

    Damaso Era still exist….katakot naman…..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2CNPDVDFJZX7SIJU3GRRCXYOYU nelson

    Itong mga pari nagmamalinis… Bawal na pala ngayon ang mag protest.. Where is the freedomof speech… Priest made a lot of abuses and i know a lot of them na may anak.. Nakakawalang gana pakinggan ang sermon nila sachurch.. Do what you PREACH PRIESTS!!!!!!!!

  • Meow Ming

    tinira nya yung kaparian, hindi naman ang simbahan.

  • rburke

    offending religious feelings?..fth..this is a good case to bring to the SC.. freedom of speech vs religion…time to clip the arrogance of the church..

  • Albert Einstien

    art 133 (old) law should be repealed….it is …contrary to 1987 constitution (new ) because of  excessive PENALTY  PROVISION….religious FEELING  it is a STATE of mind…..there should be no IMPRISONMENT but a nominal FINE instead….i’m ANTI-RH  but it is too much..celdran is just expressing his beliefs & praying inside the church of god just like the priest are DOING ..every body is EQUAL in the eyes of god..so cardinals or priest can be a mere WITNESS only but the VICTIM is god or the whole 90 million plus filpinos who believed in catholic faith…at this POINT of HISTORY the majority of catholics DONT FIND him GUILTY…so there’s NO CRIME committed, priest are NOT even PARTY in interest just ordinary witnesses …that celdra in church  should be heard by god  about the excesses of the men of god..EVERYBODY is welcome in a house of god..it is NOT GOD he is against but the other men of god..In fact SERMONS  of the priests are the  ONES COVERED by art 133…. .but what about celdrans religious feelings…the BEST witness should be GOD himself..they should have summoned him if they can……if they THINK he is really offended……ANYWAY they cant imprison him…his lawyer should file for PROBATION….

    those CARDINALS  are NOT even CITIZENS of the COUNTRY they are ciitzens of VATICAN…..that is why They remit money to vatican NOT to PHILIPPINE TREASURY….once they accepted citizenship of vatican they ALREADY LOST PHILIPPINE CITIZENSHIP…

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      true recently in a speech vidal said people who have dual citizenships are not good citizens. since my wife is one of those he insulted i looked into the situation. all bishops have to swear in all disputes between the local government always take the vaticans side.has for dual citizenship according to the vatican web site 90 percent of the 800 people living there have dual citizenships including popes, so vidal insulted his bosses

    • donsupremo

      this is a good discussion in the proper forum of the Supreme court… not here because no matter how right you might be… saying this here won’t matter one iota of value unless you raise it to it’s correct forum… the Supreme court. Take celdran as petitioner and question the Constitutional soundness of 133. good lak sayo kaibigan.

    • donsupremo

      by the way Celdran’s religious feelings is not controversial in this instance since no one violated or sought to intentionally and maliciously violate celdran’s religious feelings… from the out ward manifestation of his actions he sought to scandalize people trying to persuade them on his personal position of contraception and RH bill… clearly he raised a political issue in a RELIGIOUS ceremony which scandalized the sensibilities of the worshiping community. That is his crime. not the fact that he wanted to make fun of priests but he disrespected the beliefs of people which is protected by the Constitution.

      wag mo baguhin ang usapan… POLITICAL ang intention ni ding… hindi Theological pero wala siya sa lugar and in the process sinaktan niya ang mga tao na nakikinig sa misa. Iniskandalo niya sila.

  • un budsman

    I guess that’s what billions of pesos in the banks and stock market can do… Get you high powered lawyers…. bunch of corrupt damasos

    • donsupremo

      @google-c22507fe178b20d4746a37781bad4bdf:disqus 

      so if you believe the judgment was unfair maybe you should put your money where your key board is and send him lawyers and cash to appeal this in hope for a favorable reconsideration… tignan mo muna yung kaso bago ka humirit baka ma dapa ka. 

  • marionics

    makukulong lang ito kung gusto niya for more propaganda purposes. either he will appeal this all the way to the SC in which case i think there is a good chance for a reversal or he can just apply for probation and not see a second of jailtime.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      raise it to the SC!

      Remember nag balk ang CCP dahil ‘offended’ ang RCC sa mga exhibits? Time to settle the question once and for all.

      • marionics

        just as well

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    Carlos Celdran is a celebrity. To the anti-Catholics, they adore him for popularizing the label Damaso to malign priests and bishops. To those who still care to defend the Catholic faith, he is a disgrace.

    Therefore, a celebrity can also be attached to a notorious person out to antagonize believers of one faith and find fame with his disrespectful behavior. Shameful for one who works as a tour guide. Imagine how he can bad-mouth the Catholic Church to tourists with his propensity to draw attention. “It’s more fun to be bastos in the Philippines!” – this must be Carlos Celdran’s tourism slogan. 

    It is a pity that this guy probably knows a lot about Philippine history but he sees more of the dark side of Spanish colonialism in our country than the positive consequences that are now ingrained in our national cultural psyche like love for God and family; perseverance and industry; happy disposition and talents in music and the arts; acquiring culinary tastes of various European and Asian flavors; solidarity among friends and relatives, and other traits we owe to Spanish influences. It is a pity that Carlos Celdran prefers notoriety as a passport to fame and disrespect for religious leaders as being “in” with the contraception-minded crowd.

    • Ari Putan

      Baka love of IDOLS ?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Ikaw lang ang makasasagot sa sarili mong tanong.
        Basta kaming mga mananampalataya sa Iisang Diyos, mahal namin Siya.
        Wag mo na kaming idamay sa mapagimbabaw mong kaisipan.
        Mag-isa ka na lang sa mga kathang isip mo.

    • reddfrog

       Rape at pedophilia hindi bastos? Eh kung ikalkal ang ari ng anak mo hindi ba yan bastos?

      • donsupremo

        @reddfrog:disqus 

        mejo froggy yata ang dating mo

        Tungkol ito kay Carlos Celdran… so sina sabi mo ba na pedo na nag ka kal kal ng ari so Carlos Celdran, so pedo rin siya… o baka na wawala ka yata sa usapan? Baka mag ti tili yan at sabunutan ka…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Akala mo kung magkomento ang dali-dalisay ng budhi.
        Mahiya ka naman. Pare-pareho lang tayong makasalanan. Pero marahil ang  pagkakaiba nating dalawa..ako inaamin ko ang mga kamalian ko..eh, ikaw?
        Saka, reddfrog, ang pinaguusapan si Celdran na nambastos sa loob ng sagradong lugar para sa mga Katoliko. Kahit walang misa doon, wala siyang respeto sa presensya ng Panginoong sa banal na tahanan Niya. 
        Subalit, kung ang tingin mo mas malinis ka pa sa lahat ng pari, ewan ko na lang kung saan ka pupulutin.

    • panhase

      As positive consequences that are now ingrained in the national culture you forget to mention wide spread corruption and the feeling of superiority of the clergy.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        “wide spread corruption and the feeling of superiority of the clergy” – Are these what you called positive consequences?
        No wonder you are lost.
        Nobody refutes the excesses and abuses of the Spanish friars. But, this is in the past. The Catholic Church in our country is under the leadership of Filipinos already. Where have you been?
        The few erring priests do not represent the entire brotherhood of priests. That is most unfair.

    • donsupremo

      in engaging the history of Catholicism evolving in the philippine islands, he got too over focused on the medium of the Cross and Sword and the Politics of Theocracy the Spaniards did for 300 years here. He is destitute of what the theology of Catholic Belief is based on, which is that… before the Saving mission of Jesus Christ no body on the planet could have envisioned a fatherly loving God. and a self sacrificing God in Jesus Christ. The evil of the spanish era in the philippines, he magnified so much to the end, Ding here, lost the real meaning of Catholic Faith. 

      Jose Rizal is not really the Go To dude you seek when you wish to know about the values prescribed by our religion. This is the awful mistake he made. He mixed up corrupt pervert priest archetypes  for the Value of Catholic Faith. That is Scandalously sad for this ding.

  • tskpinas

    Church feeling > Rights of free speech

    sad day to be a Filipino.

  • Fulpol

    is he gay????

    gays are destroying institutions with their rudeness…

    • donsupremo

      yes ding is gay. specifically an ignorant self-conceited ding…

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    I only have four beautiful words for this ultrapositive development: justice has been served.

    • reddfrog

       Bakla ka ano? Galit sa iyo si Damaso.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        LOL. Hindí pô. Si Carlita ang badaf, hindí acó. And don’t worry about “Dámaso” holding a grudge against me or anyone else. Dámaso is fiction, plain and simple. =)

    • donsupremo

      Correct ka diyan and if you want to really make sense of this, since justice is served as you say, forgiveness should now proceed forward. We can forgive but we do not forget. for who ever does forget is a demented idyot ahahaha

  • totokalel

    nakakatakot na magsalita ngayon ano?….

    • NinjaMan

       bakit? ok lang ba sumigaw at mag iskandalo sa loob ng simbahan?

      • totokalel

        isa akong katoliko…eh ok lang ba kung ang pari gumawa ng kabalastugan? bakit ni isa sa mga gumawa ng ganon di man lang naparusahan? yong gumawa ng kahayupan sa imahen ng Diyos sa PICC,may nangyari ba doon? eh kung mag walk out ka sa misa…e-kulong ka na rin???nasaan ang fairness diyan?

      • NinjaMan

        hindi mo yata sinagot tanong ko. pilit mo yata ipasok ibang topic dahil hindi mo masagot tanong ko.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APVOOWFOYEHTUWLLGXG3SDRTUE Rory Cruz

        Ang tanong e, may nagsampa ba ng kaso? Wala. Malas lang si Celdran dahil may nagsampa ng kaso sa kanya. Kung gusto mo ng fairness, ikaw na mismo magsampa ng kaso sa mga nakikita mong mali. Go na. Gawin mo yan in behalf of all the people na hindi fair. Magpaka bayani ka na. Bilis.

      • ben987654321

        you mean parang pulitiko o mafia ang mga pari. you mean you can’t expect them to discipline their ranks? kailangan na sa labas manggaling ang reklamo para maparusahan sila? eh ano nangyari sa mga tinuturo nila? press release lang ba yon or “part of the job” ika nga? di ba dapat ginagawa nila ang sinesermon nila? baka ikaw gusto mong mgaing bayani at displinahin mo itong mga kumag na pari na mga ito? di kaya? nagbibigay naman ng pera nag mga parishioners sa kanila di ba?

      • NinjaMan

        hindi siyempre ok, kaya sampahan mo ng kaso kung gusto mo. wag mo gawin reason ang mga mali ng mga pari para i-justify ang mali ni celdran.

      • donsupremo

        in the end ang dapat ma sagot ng mga tanong mo na yan is Tama ba ginawa ni ding na nang bastos sa Misa sa Loob ng simbahan? May atraso ba si Jesus sa kanya? Kung katoliko ka lam mo sa ginawa niya si Jesus ang binastos niya. Hindi yung mga anti RH na pari na target niya. okay ba sayo bastusin niya si Kristo appears to be the question being truly begged by your catholic question.

      • Albert Einstien

        kung yan religious belief mo bakit HINDI…kung tingin mo mas pakikinggan ka ng dyos kung malakas boses mo bakit HINDI…yung mga pari nga yung SERMON nila mas MALALA sa ginawa ni celdran..ARAW -ARAW pa..papano naman religious feelings ng mga NAGSISIMBA?….lol

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

        Kaya kayang gawin ni Celdran pumasok sa kapilya ng Iglesia ni Crisrto at magsalita siya laban kay Manalo? I am not even suggesting he goes inside a Muslim Mosque and criticize the Imams. So, why can he do it inside a church and get away with it?

      • Albert Einstien

        because he is CATHOLIC.not a muslim or inc….they should have tried him in vatican not to philippine courts…lol

      • NinjaMan

         kung religious belief ng isang tao ang pumatay sa kapwa tao, ano sasagutin mo? bakit HINDI?
        pag isipan mo nga yang sinasabi mo. dahil wala sa lugar yang ginawa ni celdran. meron ibang paraan, ang paraan na ginamit nya ay hindi tama.

      • Albert Einstien

        ANAK ka po ba ng pari….o pari ka…

        celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

        celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some  men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….

      • NinjaMan

        ginamit mo pa pangalan ni albert einstein. eh bopol ka pala. celdran can practice his own religious belief in his own place, or a public place where such things are allowed. you invoke your own religious belief in contrary to the catholic church in a catholic church? that’s abuse of your rights. how stupid can you be? LOL

      • Albert Einstien

        je je…catholic nga po sya syempre sa church of god cya magsusumbong…mas maririnig cya ng god sa house of god…lol

      • NinjaMan

        sige, mag pilosopo ka na lang, para lalo kang mag mukhang tanga. LOL dapat tandaan mo, pag nasa loob ka ng isang simbahan, or kung ano mang building, obligasyon mo ang sundin ang patakaran.

  • ben987654321

    maybe you are. what does rudeness and being gay have to with it? unless it applies to you too

  • ben987654321

    maybe you are. what does rudeness and being gay have to with it? unless it applies to you too

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SYG36KOOLRY47VA3ICPJJ5CQTQ ADD

    What happen to forgiveness being preached to the people?

    • reddfrog

       It only applies to the common people. We should forgive the clergy for pedophilia, rape, corruption, etc…, but the clergy does not forgive, nor forget.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         reddfrog. sa totoo lang, hindi po ba ang sentencia ay galing sa korte?  bakit po napasok na naman ang mga clergy?  bakit hindi po kayo mag appeal — sa korte?  wala pong kinalaman ang simbahan dito.  may demokrasya po tayo.  dinala po sa korte ang kabastusan niya at may sentencia na po, bakit po ang simbahan na naman ang binalingan po ninyo?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

      Is he asking for forgiveness? Even God won’t forgive anyone who is not repentant, who insists that he did nothing wrong, who remains defiant.
      If I insult your husband infront of your children, will you forgive me even if I am not apologizing? Don’t be a hypocrite.

      • panhase

         He did not ask for forgiveness.
        But mayb you remember this episode with one cheek and offering the other cheek? But that was only the teaching of Jesus, why would the catholic Church care db?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

       there is forgiveness of course but justice must take its course.  he deserves it.  kung ako po ay pupunta sa bahay ninyo at bastusin ko kayo, tama po ba iyon?

    • donsupremo

      we do not deprive this ding of forgiveness because of the harm he has unreasonably done to many… without justifiable reason… necessarily, the ends of justice should be satisfied or do you want the justice system to collapse for this fellow just cause you love this ding so much?

  • Sinugba

    Most Filipinos are too naive to equate the priest as the Catholic faith. They are not. Many priest are embroiled in legal problems like rape and fathering children. Some stand accused of asking for SUVs and pajeros while others where known to have vast amount of property which is against their vow of poverty.I know that these problems are not included in the faith.

    It is only in the Philippines that these priest wielded so much political power. They do not respect the principle of the separation of state and church. It is only up to the citizens if we allow this present “arrangement”. Mr. Celdran act highlights this problem and I commend him for his courage in doing it. Long live Mr. Celdran. Mabuhay po kayo.

    • rene sarmiento

      I’ve seen Mr. Celdran in a TV news several times.  I think he is a sensible person. As a tourist guide, he is very good.  He could be more productive and useful to the Philippine society, rather than putting him in jail.    Parang gustong ulitin ng Church ang INQUISITION.   Madaming mga kriminal ang dapat ikulong.   Mga rapist (including priests), kidnappers, robbers, etc….    To the authorities – pls do something really significant para kayo sumikat, not like this.

    • donsupremo

      what was offensively insulted and disgracefully violated by this ding is that he did that damaso business in a ceremony which roman catholics celebrate the highest expression of God’s redemptive mission on this planet in sending his Son to suffer and Die. This is the mission of SAVING MAN FROM DEATH AND SIN. this is the theology of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The priest is only a focus of the Mind on the Act of Jesus Christ. Once he gets to the Altar and celebrates the mass he is no longer a Damaso but Christ instituting the liturgy of Eucharist. 

      What ding here did that was offensive was not to insult people by doing the Damaso business in the middle of people expressing solemn worship….the worship of the personality of Jesus Christ the son of God, the redeemer of the world… ; this is separate from the person-hood of the Priest. If the arm chair commenters here believe we venerate and edify the priest at mass are spinning yarns and manifesting profound Ignorance of Catholic Theology…. 

      This is the value Catholics put on the Mass which makes it sacrosanct to Catholics. This is what he offended. Personally he can insult any priest he wants if it is warranted but he is criminally Violating law once he violates the Sanctity of The Religious Observations of Faith specifically the Catholic Celebration of the Holy Mass considered in Cathoic Theology as the Highest form of Worship because everyone prays as a community. 

      if you CAN NOT separate the personality of the Priest as an individual and the symbolism of his role in the Catholic Mass, your ignorance of the problem requires you google the value of the Mass first before you talk your head off

  • Katrina Marie Nisperos

    While I don’t necessarily agree with his ‘Damaso’ episode, this just strikes me as excessive; obviously there’s a fuckton of actual criminals out there on whom our government’s time and resources would have been better-spent, but yeah let’s go after the guy who held up a sign during a mass to protest the Church’s intrusion into state matters because *GASP* he offended religious feelings..!

    On that note, here are some things that offend my ‘religious feelings':

    – rapist priests
    – institutions covering up for rapist priests
    – SUV-soliciting bishops
    – the priests teaching in certain Universities who used grades / class standing as a leverage to coerce their students into siding with them during the heat of the RH Bill debates
    – various church people who think what you do with your vagina is somehow their business to pry into
    – various church people whose calling in life is seemingly to tell you that you’re going to hell as if they personally issued your ticket

    So yeah I could go on and on but I’m scared of offending religious feelings lol

    • donsupremo

      “suprema lex sed lex” the law may be harsh… but that is the law 

      • drew_casta

        try dura lex sed lex. ;)

      • donsupremo

        ;D )))))))

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

      Govt didn’t have to spend too much time and resources to get this guy….he broke the law….and he’s just there….a low- lying fruit…

      I’m not a devout Catholic and I too am pro-RH. But what he did offended me. If you have info re the offenses above, you need to do something about it. Where are these rape victims? I would love to get my hands on a rapist priest..

      …and 15 people actually liked what you wrote…..within an hour?

      • henri_see

         These guys self-like.

      • Katrina Marie Nisperos

        it’s not about the exact amount of time and resources spent on him, but the fact that they spent any at all, and that the Church actually pursued the case; i find it excessive because obviously there are a lot of other issues in the Philippines that merit attention and have far graver impact than ‘offended religious feelings’.

        i also said that i don’t necessarily agree with his Damaso stunt, and by that i mean that while i agree with his message, i think his delivery was out of line. so yeah, i’d agree that what he did was offensive, but i don’t agree with the sentence and the law itself that it was based on.. really, ‘offending the religious feelings?’

        lol as for the things i listed that offend my ‘religious feelings’, are you serious? “If you have info re the offenses above, you need to do something about it.” — lol really? these are documented cases. “where are these rape victims?” wow, correct me if i’m wrong, but are you actually implying that you don’t believe there are any?

        yeah people ‘liked’ it, is that an issue with you as well? and contrary to what the guy below you said, no, i don’t ‘self-like’ lol

    • henri_see

       Add to that abortionists slowly getting what they want in a traditionally abortion-averse society.

    • ThudOthwacker

      “various church people who think what you do with your vagina is somehow their business to pry into” ~Katrina Marie Nisperos

      Their business is to upheld morality. That’s part of their vocation. You got a problem with that? Go argue with JESUS. 

      Celdran violated Article 133 & 153 of Revised Penal Code and the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights Article 19 & 20.

      “- rapist priests – institutions covering up for rapist priests- SUV-soliciting bishops” ~Katrina Marie Nisperos

      That’s their sins. They will answer that when they face Mr. JESUS. Reflect in your own sins woman.  

      John 8:7

      “As they persisted with their question, he(Mr. JESUS) straightened up and said, ‘Let the one among you who is GUILTLESS  be the first  to throw a stone at her.'”

      • Katrina Marie Nisperos

         “Their business is to upheld morality. That’s part of their vocation. You got a problem with that? Go argue with JESUS.”

        – people are not obligated to comply by your standard of morality. everyone is entitled to make their personal choices in life. deal with it.

        – how exactly does one go about arguing with Jesus?

        “That’s their sins. They will answer that when they face Mr. JESUS. Reflect in your own sins woman.”

        – lol so when church people commit sins, they are answerable only to Jesus but not to the law of the land? why’s that?

      • ThudOthwacker

        “people are not obligated to comply by your standard of morality.” ~Katrina Marie Nisperos
        LOL You still don’t get it heretic? GOD had set the standard. The church officials are the messengers of the WORD of GOD. Jesus reinforced that marriage is a covenant. Marital sex act is a renewal of marriage covenant. The covenant gives the couple the power to procreates.  

        Genesis 1:28

        28 GOD blessed them, saying to them, ‘Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven and all the living creatures that move on earth.’

        Any artificial birth control violates the natural law GOD had set.

        Genesis 38:8-10

        8 Then Judah said ti Onan, ‘Take your brother’s wife, do your duty as her brother-in-law, to maintain your brother’s line.’
        9 But Onan, knowing the line would not count as his, spilt his seed on the ground everytime he slept with his brother’s wife, to avoid providing offspring to his brother.
        10 What he did was offensive to Yahweh, who killed him too.

        “- how exactly does one go about arguing with Jesus?” ~Katrina Marie Nisperos

        You hate the priests stand on RH.When JESUS  was the source of that teaching. In other words, get the mastermind responsible for all this commotion. Get it ?

        “- lol so when church people commit sins, they are answerable only to Jesus but not to the law of the land? why’s that?” ~Katrina Marie Nisperos

        Oh please! Don’t try to spin it woman. Show me the line where I implied that notion. Have you forgotten or knew what JESUS taught?

        Mathew 22:21

        21 They replied, ‘Caesar’s. Then he said to them. ‘Very well, pay Caesar what belongs to Caesar — and GOD what belongs to GOD.’

        There, I hope this will help you understand more about life. Than listen to  that clown Celdran’s imbecility.  

  • $17531445

    To protest is human; to be be “bastos”is not divine.

  • magsasakasanayon

    Incredibly, Judge Juan Bermejo Jr. does not know how to interpret Art. 133 of the Revised Penal Code. The judgment will ultimately be reversed by the Supreme Court. 

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       and become jurisprudence for future questions.

  • KpTUL

    Let him go. Seriously ! A penalty of 5,000 pesos should suffice. Imprisonment should be dropped.

  • ben987654321

    well it’s also in the constitution of separation of church and state but the church chooses to twist arguments to make their meddling seem legal. if indeed this guy committed a sin in a place of worship and he is truly misled, it is more dignified and Christian-like for these priests to just forgive and pray for this sinner don;t you think? besides what real harm has he really done except offend the clergies? the priests could’ve taken the higher ground and jsut forgive the offender but it chose to be vindictive to drive home the message that it will not be forgiving against those contrary to their views. pity them

    • reddfrog

       I am sorry to say Catholicism is not Christianity. It’s a cult.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

        why are you so angry with the Church?  was it the Church that rendered the verdict or a court.  i am happy that justice has been served today.  he has been sentenced as guilty.  ano ang kinalaman ng church dito sa state pronouncement?

      • reddfrog

        I am not angry with the entire Catholic Church, just the Catholic clergymen -because they are hypocrites,among others. For the Catholic flock – what I feel for them is pity. 

        “ano ang kinalaman ng church dito sa state pronouncement?”

        ===> Sino ang ogag na nagsampa ng kaso?

  • Camille Decena

    No one is forbidden to share their opinion he was punished for expressing it in a very rude manner. If you do that to our muslim brothers maybe the punishment is far more dreadful. He is seeking for too much attention.  Pambabastos ang ginawa niya. Its about time we show some order whether Catholic or otherwise.

    • READMENOW2011

      Hindi na alam ni Celdran ang bastos sa hindi. 

      Kung hindi na pambabastos ang ginawa ni Celdran, ano na kaya ang pambabastos para sa kanya. Ibang level na. 

      He was fortunate, he did to the Catholic Christians. He cannot do this to the Muslims. 

    • henri_see

      magsalita ka against atheism dun sa North Korea. tingnan ko kung saan ka pupulutin.

  • http://yahoo.com koy-bili

    holy cow!  … and didn’t the gay priests not offended the church?  …. kamonnnn :)

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       nga no. pano naman pedophilia, lang taon yun?

      • Ari Putan

        pupunta dyan ang mga obispo sa kulungan at tsupain sya..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6EF5PUVD7WK3V3XLP2FYAQZ4O4 Jomjom

      Mag tagalog ka na lang pare. Did not offenDED. How can I believe you!

  • Andres_Bagumbayan

    Karapatan ng bawat tao o institusyon ang maghaing ng reklamo kung pakiwari nito ay nabastos ang kanya / kanilang pagkatao…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APVOOWFOYEHTUWLLGXG3SDRTUE Rory Cruz

    E kung mga nagrereklamo kayo bakit eto nasampahan ng kaso tapos yung iba di namn nasasampahan… Ba’t di na lang kaya kayo ang magsampa ng kaso, mag hire ng abogado, at mag askikaso ng mga papeles para makasuhan na ang mga gusto nyong makasuhan. Kumilos kayo hindi yang puro reklamo lang sa mga comments. Ang ginagawa nyo lang e nagrerelieve ng stress, e kayo rin namn e di nakakatulong sa bayan. Nakaupo lang maghapon sa internet at nagrereklamo sa mga bagay na pwede mo namang simulan sa sarili mo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    Alin ang masmabigat? Yong tawagin na HYPOCRITE ang isang elected senador Allan ng isang senate chief-of-staff O yong pagtatawag ng pansin ni Mr. Beltran sa mga DAMASO sa pakikisawsaw ng katolikong simbahan sa pamamalakad ng pamahalaan?????? Totoo may kabastusan ang ginawa ni Mr. Beltran kung basihan ang ethical standard….Paano naman ang pakikialam ng mga DAMASO sa ating pamahalaan…..diba isa ring kabastusan sa ating KONSTITUSYON???

    • NinjaMan

       bakit? bawal ba magsalita ang simbahan against sa government kung sa tingin nito ay may moral violation ang government?

  • reddfrog

    Yang rapist priest na si Cabonce, nakulong na ba? Yung ivory smuggler?

    • Ari Putan

      hidi pa… ay baka gusto na magsama dyan sa kulungan …

    • NinjaMan

       kasuhan nyo muna, wala namang problema diyan. ang problema eh, reklamo kayo ng reklamo, wala naman nagfa-file ng kaso.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DC55ZI73EDVVOXECZBGA64727A Ted

    mabubulok pwet nya sa bilanguan… hahahahahahahahaha!
    sa mga taong nagsasabi dito na wala naba freedom of speech! cge sisigaw ako sa harap nyo habang naliligo kayo, tingnan ko kung d k maasar! KULONG KNA BAKLA

    • donsupremo

      pwede pa naman maka lusot si ding sa kulong… mag apply lang ng probation after final judgement and sentencing… first offender ka ding… baka wala ka pang kulong niyan… wala naman namatay sa ginawa mo… lusot ka pa

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581375872 Ernest Adarna

    I think it’s high time to review our archaic penal laws. 
    Offending religious feelings and other speech related crimes under our RPC should be converted to civil offenses only.

  • lolobabes

    while the pedophile offending priests are being covered up! lol

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

      baka kasi hindi “offensive” sa mga “faithful” ang pedophilia kaya ganun…  :-P

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G2UFL7BAIFFUU6TIW4FFAPTVV4 Ghost

    Celdran won in this case. He has successfully shown the true nature of the church that sought refuge on an antiquated law in this modern age.

    Time to abolish the law “Offending the Religious Feelings under Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code”. This kind of law is passe.
    .

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

      why do you always blame the church for a decision made by a court?  he is guilty and has been sentenced.  what has the church got to do with this?

    • donsupremo

      without that Law RPC Art. 133,  the Government can have free discretion to Burn you screaming and alive tied to a stake in the town plaza because your religious persuasion does not conform with the state… you negate the protection of the state shielding you from harm because of your religious convictions. Just because you love this dude so much you would be willing to sacrifice protection from the state, and “sizzlingly get toasted” for your religious beliefs? Abolish 133? Really? 

      States without religious protection in the history of the planet have done worse… witch hunts and tortures of innocent people… because their religious persuasions are different from others. just a reminder that He who does not have sufficient knowledge of history is condemned to repeat the same. 

      seriously… be careful what you wish for. God might just give it to you : )

      • panhase

        The witch hunts where done by the Church, the treatise on the prosecution of witches, the Malleus Meleficarum, was written by the Dominican Henricus Institoris,

  • http://twitter.com/Negastarr NegaStarr

    Well deserved punishment. I am pretty sure Celdran himself expected this. Now another opportunity for a publicity stunt!

  • brunogiordano

    “Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” ”

    Kung iyan ang batas ito ay isang magandang dahilan upang ang mga kasapi ng mga religion ay maging –

    RELIGIOUSLY UNAFFILIATED (NONES).

    • reddfrog

      Or, we can start our own religion and start suing the Catholic clergy for being shameless, which to our new religion, is “notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

  • Jane Tan

    Even though what he did was very excessive… I still have to LOL.

  • quirinomayer

    Carlos, open a bank account and publish it. P1,000.00 na ako for your appeal.

    Ipinapakita lang nito na mga false teachers ang mga Padre Damaso. Ang turo ni Kristo e turn the other cheek.  

    • reddfrog

       Great idea. I pledge P5,000.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        birds of the same feather flocked together…awssss nagbigay pa. anyway, they can even afford to give 10%, why nut coconut!

      • reddfrog

         blah blah – pedophile supporter ka ano?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      …nagsalita ang may pinagpalang reliyon! anak ng tipaklong! ang pastor mo kahapon lng nagbasa ng pekeng bibliya! anak ng kwago!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUE7BZXUJ7I5AFIBEPSIBONAHA Alfred A

    Bastos kasi itong bakla na to.. If he has done this in the mosque of our Muslim brothers for sure he will be very happy if he only gets jail term……

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       This has nothing to do with Islam.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    LIFE IS A MATTER OF CHOICE!!! STILL I CHOOSE MR. BELTRAN CROUSADE AGAINST THIS DAMASO & ESKRIBAS OF THE PHILIPPINES….

  • bagoongpatis

    sa inquirer po, ang na offend ayon sa batas yung “religious feeling” hindi po yung simbahan. Sa mga nag eedit po sana accurate din mga headlines. Huwag baguhin para lang mag mukhang katakam takam ang headline, mali nman yung mensahe.

    • andresa igbac

      ano kamo, hindi yong simbahan? pakibasa nga etong nakasulat sa news article. and by the way, don’t forget that the church is not just the structure, but the people, the mass-goers, the faithful nga.
       Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship
      or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts
      notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

      • bagoongpatis

         Malamang nag aral ka ng kung ano ibig sabihin gn simbahan lalo na kung nakatikim ka rin ng liberation theology o ang pagbigay depinisyun ng simbahan sa mahirap na Latin America.  Hindi yung istraturang simbahan kundi mga ang mga obispo, cardinal at kaparian ang hierarchy at amg mga bumubuo ng simbahan.

        Religious feelings, not the church per se.

        And by the way, it is not the contents that I was referring to. It is the HEADLINE!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TJAA3WKCKQZWSJX2ATNY4K65GU Titan

    I think the Church leaders went too far in pursuing a legal case and only opened the floodgates in the process.  So it’s eye for an eye now — then does it mean that it’s about time that retribution is demanded for the sins of the clergy who went astray, broke their vows of chastity and committed crimes against the very flock they were supposed to take care of?  Then legal it is.

    • reddfrog

       Laws only apply to the common man, not the demigods known as the Catholic clergy.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TJAA3WKCKQZWSJX2ATNY4K65GU Titan

        I think they just dug their own grave. What ever happened to “turn the other cheek”? So now they’re holding sinners accountable. If they are now teaching “eye-for-an-eye” sense of justice, let’s play along that thread: How many priests were actually tried and convicted for their sexual abuse?  What have the Church hierarchy done to render justice to their victims? And how fast did the cases roll compared to Celdran’s case?  — I should probably shut up now.  I am a Catholic, yes, but I don’t sense any justice at all in this case.

      • henri_see

         redfrog,
        so you want celdran to be treated like a demigod?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       This will only serve to further erode what is left of the standing of the Catholic church.  It’s becoming a pathetic group of selfish old men who pay tribute to a foreign demigod in Rome.

  • ben987654321

    sadly it appears that way in this case 

  • panhase

    How good can a set of ideas be, if it believers ensure that it is illegal to criticize them?

  • sharkbaittt

    I’m PRO RH, but try expressing your negative views about Islam in a mosque, let us see if you get out there alive,  if you manage to get out, still you’re life is never going to be the same. We need to learn how to respect each other.

    • reddfrog

      “We need to learn how to respect each other.”

      ===> Tell that to the Catholic clergy.

      • wgd82

        binastos ka po ba ng mga pari???

      • reddfrog

         Ikaw, hindi? Tinapakan na nga ang mukha mo nagpapasalamat ka pa.

      • wgd82

        hindi… ahhh tinapakan ba yung mukha mo??? nakakaawa ka naman… iyak lang ng iyak… whinner…

      • sharkbaittt

        but your missing the topic here, the news is about one mans illegal behaviour, and repercussions by his sole action, if by any means the catholic church is doing illegal activity with regards to rh bill, by all means sue them and bring them to court, again dont get me wrong I’m PRO RH, this particular news item is about one mans behaviour.

    • Jesse_Bruce_Pinkman

      No, you will get out alive because the mosque is still the house of God. When Muslims get out of the mosque they become devils. 

      He will surely get out of the mosque alive but he will never reach home.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       But this has nothing to do with Islam.

      • sharkbaittt

        precisely, the news item is about one mans illegal behaviour, the Islam example is not theoritical, it has happen, try to burn their holy book and a lot will die around the world, try to do offensive cartoons about their belief and people around the world would die, the news item is about the repercussions of a mans offensive behaviour to a specific religion, the example I cited has happened already.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    OFFENDING religiou FEELING is NOT a CRIME—-It is STILL a FREEDOM of EXPRESSION—–To CRIMINALIZE this will MAKE the Philippines a JOKE—

    • wgd82

      Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” 
      Read the law… Pwede naman syang sa labas ng simbahan magrally inde sa loob kung saan may nagaganap na misa… if you have no religion, we respect that but you must respect us also esp. inside our place of worship…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        YES—It has to be AMENDED—or completely abolish—-
        a DISGUSTING LAW—-

      • wgd82

        disgusting law that was written to protect any religion to have its mass celebration to proceed peacefully?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        YES—-you can protest against SENATE meeting or AQUINOs meeting and WHY NOT the catholic MASS that collect money from the POOR—

      • wgd82

        Know the difference between religion and government. Esp. Democratic form of government….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        you mean the government is DEMOCRATIC and the CATHOLIC dictatorship?—–You are RIGHT

      • wgd82

        Wow!!! Have you ever seen any religion na democratic??? The thing about religion is, you have a freewill to choose and if you are mature enough, you’ll learn how to respect other religions… You can express yourself against them on the right channel and not in the middle of their service…

  • arlein

    Totoo ba ito? Akala ko sa middle east ang may religious police.

  • John Sulayman

    He should have done that during the Anti-RH rallies rather than in the middle of a Church mass.

  • arlein

    Dapat ipa kulong din nila lahat ng corrupt at pedo na pari!!

    • wgd82

      e di idemanda mo sila… wag yung puro salita lang…

  • $5699914

    Walang pinagkaiba iyan na may isang party/handaan na nagaganap sa isang
    tahanan, maraming bisita na kaibigan at kamag-anak ng mga nakatira,
    tapos may isang tao na papasok basta-basta at gagawa ng eskandalo sa
    gitna ng pagtitipon, iinsultuhin ang siyang residente ng tahanan….sasabihin mo ba na ‘karapatan ng lalaki na gawin
    iyon dahil sa freedom of speech???”

    Gamitin kasi ang pinag-aralan at pagiging matured (sana nga!)….huwag maka-iskor lang ay gagawin ang lahat, pati na maging walanghiya!

  • from the future

    PAMBABASTOS po ito, the reason behind it is irrelevant, even it did not happen in a church with a mass going on inside, say it happened in an office, or a bank, it would still be a case of misdemeanor and disturbing the peace or other public nuisance case . . . 

    kung hahayaan lang natin ito na mangyari, siguradong uulit-ulitin ito at gagayahin ng maraming mga taong walang respeto sa ibang tao, wag po tayo mag-pa-uto sa mga aktibista at mga protestante, ang gusto lang naman ng mga ito eeh magka-gulo2x ang bansa natin . . . 
    huwag po tayo sunod-sunoran sa America na kung saan eeh ang mga openly atheists eeh publicly na sinisiraan ang mga religion sa puntong pang-aapi na ito . . wag po natin kalimutan na nabuo ang bansa natin sa isang bandila ng dahil sa Diyos . . pag may nakikita akong mga anti-church2x na yan, na-iisip ko lang ay mga “gaya-gaya” sa mga westerners or taga-kanluran at “nagpapa-uso” . . 

    • reddfrog

       Bobo

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         baka po kayo ang hindi nakakaintindi sa sinabi ni “no from the future”. kasi ako po i understand. kung you don’t understand  e di siguro kayo po ang bobo, di po ba?

      • from the future

        calling me names? is that your limit in an argument? i am a Catholic, and i respect any religion(or lack of) any person believes in, so why can’t you? i respect an individual’s choice of being whoever they want to be, so why can’t you? that is what true Catholicism teaches,

        i don’t know where you get your facts about the Catholic faith, maybe from 3rd or 4th-hand knowledge you read somewhere in the internet or the history books, where during the middle ages, certain individuals in Europe from rich family backgrounds were forced(and did not choose) to be in the religious orders to preserve the wealth of their family, and it’s been what, a couple hundred of years later, in the modern times where the oppressive Spanish priests have been replaced by Filipino priests, the same Filipinos whose ancestors were persecuted by the Spanish priests, 

        also, please give me a name or names of priests that you know PERSONALLY that has done any of the things you so passionately share, names that you know PERSONALLY, and not from 3rd or 4th-hand knowledge you heard or read somewhere . .

      • panhase

         I am residing in the middle of Europe more then 30 years now, even the conservative Catholics are dismayed by the way the Church hierarchy is handling the sexual abuse cases.
        And when you are talking about history, then you should get the facts straight. Being a member of the clergy promised power, the people choose that. There is a reason why it was possible to buy Papacy.

      • donsupremo

        @panhase:disqus 

        the article is about celdran and his violation of Philippine law in a Criminal Case he comitted is it not? 

        So how does this discussion of pervert priests fit into the discussion and his case? Is celdran also a pedofile pervert is that the reason you mentioned sexual abuse here when the article made no mention at all about sexual abuse. Was he promoting sexual abuse of pedophilia by promoting the RH bill? perhaps that’s the reason why you injected this little piece of irrelevance here…

      • panhase

         Maybe you should do something about your comprehension problems.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003099575396 Rocky Cruzado

      what a stupid way to analyze the situation!!!
      Kung ang pari pwede mag protest on political issues being the citizen of the republic, bakit naging masama ang mag protest as a member of the church? 
      there is a saying “Priest should not pray in our school and we will not teach in their church”

  • donsupremo

    this dude may have strong convictions for something and legally speaking he may have been validated by the passage of the RhBill it is however not reason nor license for him to violate Law or the sensibilities of people. Whatever his belief system architecture maybe, this country Exercises the freedom of religious worship and Belief of whatever creed or kind… being at cross swords or purposes with the position of the Church does not permit you to violate the belief, personal convictions or religious persuasions of any person of the community. That is protected by Law and the Constitution which is the highest law in the country. 

    he is free to appeal this up to the supreme court if He wants. or else being a First Offender without malicious criminal record apply for Probation to Escape Jail Time. It’s still his call… there is due process and there is the Rule of Law in this Country.

  • arlein

    Change that law! 2013 na at wala na ang mga conquistadores sa pilipinas. Mismong Spain ay moderno na.

    Matagal ng legal ang divorce at gay marriage. Ang mga spanyol ay hindi na rin a relihiyoso at pinagtatawanan ang mga panatiko.

  • itaddy

    lol offending religious feelings.. tsk tsk tsk.. wat the heck is that? goodness.

  • arlein

    Totoo ba ito? Akala ko sa middle east LANG!! ang may religious police.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

     wala pong kinalaman ang mga pari sa sentencia.  bakit po ba ang mga pari ang inyong nakikita.  sila po ba ang nag sentencia? 

    • Verchez

       Pari po ang naghabla at Monsignor pa. Dapat tinularan nya nalang si Kristo na mapagpatawad.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         pari nga po dahil ang nilaspatangan naman po ni ginoong celdran ay ang simbahan.  ang pagpataw po ng parusa ay ang husgado.  bakit po galit na galit kayo sa lahat ng pari? tulad po ng tao, may mga kriminal, may mga mababait naman po.  bakit po ninyo nilalahat?  yon lang po ang hindi ko maintindihan.  sana po pabayaan po ninyo na ang wheels of justice and gumulong.  mag ginawa pong masama si gng. celdran e di po ba dapat pagbayaran naman niya?  salamat po verchez sa sagot po ninyo.

  • Albert Einstien

    there is a PROVISION of law that TAXES the church …the govt & BIR just DONT KNOW it….lol

    there is NO NEED for a NEW LAW that taxes the church it  is there very very CLEAR…they  just have to  KNOW how to INVOKE , assess and collect it….lol

    celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

    celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….

  • Magsasaka

    anak ng, pero yong mga rapist priest ayaw nilang dalhin sa korte at katwiran nila ay sa santo papa lang ito mananagot, hindi rin nila pinakulong si monsignor jessie mercado na nagtangkang magnakaw ng pondo para sa mga biktima ng kalamidad

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

       bakit po ninyo binubunton sa simbahan at sa pari ang verdict ng korte?  dahil guilty po siya at wala kayong mapagbintangan?  hwag naman po sana ganoon. 

      • Magsasaka

        bunton ba yaong ginulo lang yong misa ay makukulong sya pero yaong mga paring rapist at child molester ay itinatago nila sa kamay ng batas at sino ang gumagawa noon? mga obispong damaso na katulad ni de dios pueblos na nagsabing kay santo papa lang mananagot ang rapist na si raul cabonce.
        ipaliwanag mo nga dahilkapag hindi mo naipaliwanag yan mag aral ka ulit dahil nuknukan ka ng mangmang, bulag na tagasunod

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

     salamat po.  ako po ay anti RH pero nabasa ko ang inyong statement, ako po ay sumasaludo sa inyo. kung sana po ang lahat ay katulad ninyo.  we all respect our views. i didn’t realize that in social networking such as this one, there are so many who are so vicious in their attacks.  it is very sad that a verdict rendered by a court is being used to attack the church again.

    • reddfrog

      The case stemmed from the complaint of violation of Article 133 of the
      Revised Penal Code filed by Monsignor Nestor Cerbo of the Manila
      Cathedral.

      Respect our views? hahahahaha! They sue you!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         they sued because it was disrespecting their church, our church.  there is reason for the suit.  if i go to your home and disrespect your home, would you not sue?  he should have done it somewhere else but not what others consider to be sacred, di po ba?

      • reddfrog

         Respect is a 2 way street Catherine. I hope you understand that.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         i am trying po reddfrog.  how did the church disrespect mr. celdran?  or the priests?  it was mr. celdran who entered the church during a solemn occasion and started shouting therein.  that is why he was sued. thank you po reddfrog for also trying to understand me.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

     so much hate and bitterness in you reddfrog.  what a pity.

    • reddfrog

       Me? Hate and bitterness? haha! My dear, you don’t know me.
      And I pity you if you don’t hate injustice.
      Perhaps your Catholic brainwashing prevents you from accepting reality? Just a thought.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UGQ4GAYYTW4AMKNNYNKUOVBXYI Catherine

         yes, i don’t know you po.  no one likes injustice.  i do not. no, i have not been brainwashed.  it is only logical that you question the verdict from those who rendered the sentence.  what has the church and the clergy got to do with a sentence rendered by a philippine court?  this is what reality is.  why don’t you suggest an appeal to the court or whatever process there should be?  this has nothing to do with the church or with the clergy. sorry po, this is my opinion.

      • reddfrog

         The case was filed by Monsignor Nestor Cerbo of the Manila
        Cathedral. Kung walang nagfile ng kaso eh di walang kaso. Your precious Church is vindictive. That is reality.

  • brunogiordano

    Kung ipapasunog nila si CARLOS CELDRAN sa stake, malamang na maging –

    MARTYR siya ng RH LAW.

    Kailangan pa natin ang isa pang CARLOS CELDRAN para sa DIVORCE LAW?????

    • wgd82

      nakakaawa naman ang future ng mga anak natin pagnakita nila na yung mga heroes na pinaglalaban nila eh ung nagsusulong ng divorce law… pity…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G2UFL7BAIFFUU6TIW4FFAPTVV4 Ghost

    Tindi pala ng bansa natin, para tayong under ng Taliban.

    Anyway, with the way things are going – with Celdran getting up to a year for shouting offensive words – what’s in store for the priest who smuggled actual ivory items? Maybe life imprisonment without hope for a parole?
    .

    • reddfrog

      Monsignor Ivory will get a promotion. He’s shown to be corrupt and willing to engage in filthy acts while appearing to be holy. He qualifies as a Catholic clergy.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    Another reality check, just being objective with the issue at hand:

    Would it be right for someone to perform a Damaso episode during a religious service in a church, regardless of whether it is a Catholic, Protestant, Christian, or Moslem religious service?
    Let all Catholics, Protestants, Christians, Moslems answer this question categorically: is it right for someone to disrupt your religious service, just because he has the right to free expression?

    The issue is  not the advocacy of Celdran, nor the errors committed by the clergy, but the rightness or wrongness, the legality or illegality of disrupting any religious service, whether it may be  a Catholic, Christian, Protestant or Moslem religious service!!!

    • reddfrog

      The truth shall set you free. So calling a Damaso, as Damaso — nothing wrong with that.

      • wgd82

        nothing wrong with that, but the time when you called Damaso as a Damaso is essential…

        Tanga ka lang?

      • reddfrog

         time for you to engage in pedophilia… bwahahahahaha!

      • wgd82

        mga pangarap mo pinapasa mo pa sa iba….. hahaha…

      • reddfrog

         Punta ka nalang sa ilalim ng palda ni Pope Benedict. lolololololol!

      • wgd82

        wow grabeh name dropper… hahahaha… iyak pa ng iyak.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        the issue is not calling Damaso as Damaso– if for you there is nothing wrong with that, let it be (at least for you), but the meat of the matter is: 

        the rightness or wrongness, the legality or illegality of disrupting any religious service, whether it may be  a Catholic, Christian, Protestant or Moslem religious service!!!

      • reddfrog

         The issue is the Church being petty and vindictive.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Let us suppose that the Church is being petty and vindictive in this issue, but the the question remains:

        Would it be right for someone to perform a Damaso episode during a religious service in a church, regardless of whether it is a Catholic, Protestant, Christian, or Moslem religious service?

      • typicalAsianGuy

        Yeah we (including Carlos) know that the did is not proper. What’s so hard about accepting his public apology and forgave him? What’s Jesus teach about forgiveness? bullshit much?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         If I may rebutt.

        The church exerted similar pressure to artists, at the CCP museum.  The church pressured government, and freedom of expression such that the government dissuaded the artists to cease ops. If you say the church has the sanctity to be free to express religious freedom, then does it not apply the same for artists, expressing their own freedom in their museum?

        One can say that if the church finds this offensive, they should just stop and bear it. But what happened is that they used their powers to suppress what displeases them. And if a certain Mr Celdran was to do something similar, would we find him different from what happened to the artists expression?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

        Does the reaction of the church to the CCP museum issue give any one the right to disrupt any religious service for that matter?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “Does the reaction of the church to the CCP museum issue give any one the right to disrupt any religious service for that matter?”

        I think you miss the point. The church, in its actions stopped freedom of expression by exerting pressure disrupt artistic freedom, within its own venue in the CCP. Would the situation any more or less be the same when an artist (?!) comes to the church and give it the same kind of treatment?

        Simply, No one has the right to impose their opinion over another where it would disrupt work, or service. I think the difference is that one closed shop and accepted it. The other cried foul and filed legal complaint. And to think that one is based on forgiveness and the other usually coined bohemian.

    • Cerise David

      His freedom of expression ends where the rights of others begin.  If he tried that in some other churches, he’d be picking his entrails on the way home.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Believe me what I say I understand where you are coming from.

      But then I must draw parallelism between the CBCP’s use of religious service versus attacking government policy when it uses the church to speak against RH.

      Let me be clear.

      If it is the church’s policy to attack state policy (particularly rh) within the pulpit, isn’t it just fair that people who disagree use the same forum?  Keep in mind that within the service of the mass, there is nothing there about RH policies. Not then, not now. And yet it licenses itself to ATTACK state, under the pretext of religious expression.

      Isn’t it just fair that if you dish it out, you must learn to accept the same?

      “the legality or illegality of disrupting any religious service,”

      perhaps the question is that what led to the action. because if you cannot solve it, it will come back again and again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    Unbelievable!

  • Thomas Aquinas

    Dapat lang makulong siya dahil sa kabastusan niya. Bakit sa loob pa ng Simbahan niya ginawa iyon? Di n iyon sakop ng freedom of expression. Mga taong tanga lang ang kakampi sa tulad niya. Dito sa Dubai, na pa hinto din ang exhibit niya, eh gusto ba namang gawin porum pa ito ng pamumulitiko niya, ayun. Pinalayas ng mga pulis. hahahahaha!   Dapat sa mga gay bar na lang siya magsisigaw, siguradong papalakpakan pa siya. 

    • reddfrog

       Pagkalikot sa ari ng mga bata, hindi ba kabastusan yan? Bakit wala pang ni isang pari ang nakulong?

      • wgd82

        magdemanda ka kasi… puro daldal ka kasi… kilos kilos…

      • reddfrog

         Ikaw, nag-enjoy ka ano? Pervert ka kasi – maging pari ka nalang.

      • wgd82

        wawa ka naman… iyak na lang…

      • reddfrog

        sige kalkalin ka ni Cabonce. bwahahahahaha!

      • wgd82

        ngawa lang ng ngawa… hahaha…

      • reddfrog

         esep esep naman…lolololololol!

      • wgd82

        wow ako pa inde nagiisip sa lagay na yan ha… hahahaha… for what I know, the law was written to protect any religion to do their celebration peacefully… Even if it’s the catholic, hrisitan, INC or muslim… ikaw ang nakikita mo lang yung mga pangit kaya ganyan ka magisip… puro bitterness…. lol

      • reddfrog

        Bawal mag-isisp kung Katoliko ka. hahahahaha!

      • wgd82

        naks nagsalita yung walang utak… ikaw paano ka nagiisip??? ngawa pa

    • Verchez

      Ang tanong ko lang ay ganito halimbawa buhay si Hesus Kristo at physical
      na naroroon Sya sa misang ginulo ni Carlos Celdran ihahabla kaya Nya si
      Carlos?

  • Thomas Aquinas

    Ba’t naman napasok ang taxes? Wala naman sa artikulo iyan. Hehe. Albert, mali spelling ng apelyido mo, lol!

  • Roy Rosales

    the local catholic hierarchy in particular and their world headquarter: vatican in general should remember that historically, their spanish friars predesessors were solely responsible for the death and martyrdom of our national hero and a freemason,brother dr.jose rizal due to his exposure of spanish friars wronddoings to the filipinos.kudos to mr.celdran,its high time that the filipinos understand and take notes on the abuses of the catholic church.they blatantly interferes with state affairs.they have still the stigma of their spanish friars actuations.shame on them,hindi na bobo mga filipino now

  • Thomas Aquinas

    Maski na hindi religious service, kung birthday party ba ng anak mo at mayron isang tao na nanggugulo at may dalang placard na nagpaparada sa gitna at ayaw pasaway aba eh karapatan mo naman na ipabitbit iyan sa pulis para ikulong. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JEMNLLYAP5EA7SM3A6QUOGV62Q Chris

      you may have a point.. but these are two different cases.. Celdran can be punished by the laws of the church but not the state.

      • gb0705

        I’m pro-Celdran here, but can you elaborate your comment more? Under what grounds does it state that Celdran can be punishable by the laws of Church and not of the state?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JEMNLLYAP5EA7SM3A6QUOGV62Q Chris

        He offended the church, he has obviously desecrated the blessed sacrament, so the church may punish him as they please. He can be excommunicated. Though it maybe too harsh but we should respect their law. However, however, it should only end there.

        Putting him in jail is another story. In which I completely disagree. As the state should protect the freedom of speech. Religious law is different from civil law. That’s why we should have a separation between the church and the state which is clearly stated in our constitution.

        Hope this clarifies.

  • just_anotherperson

    Bagay kay Carlos Celdran yung picture.  Sana matuto siya na ilagay sa tama ang kanyang mga gimmick.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    How about the bishops offending Taxpayer’s feelings?
    The DAMASOS should be jailed too.

    • just_anotherperson

      Mag-sulong ka ng batas against offending taxpayer’s feelings.

      LOL.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      If the Damasos (according to your language) have violated any laws of the country, then let the case be brought to proper investigation and due process, and if found guilty, let them take responsibility over it.  I have nothing against that!  But the issue here is:

      the rightness or wrongness, the legality or illegality of disrupting any religious service, whether it may be  a Catholic, Christian, Protestant or Moslem religious service!!!

    • henri_see

       The law is the law. Just take it like a man.

  • Pitbulldog

    Buti nga, he he.  Isama sana mga born again diyan.  Pinapabayaan lang kasi ang mga engot na iyan na manira nang manira sa simbahan. isa pa yan mga taga INC….

    • gb0705

      Wow, as a Born Again studying in a Catholic university, I find this comment very offensive. Kung di mo lang alam, mga Theology profs pa ang naninira sa mga Born Again religions..

      At baka di mo alam, even the Catholic Church accepts the fact that there are other truths that are revealed by other religions. I think you should know your religion more before you bash other “Christian” based religions.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G2UFL7BAIFFUU6TIW4FFAPTVV4 Ghost

    1. I cant believe such offense is punished excessively by a law which i cant believe exist in this age.
    2. I cant believe the “good” monsignor had actually pursued the case based on an antiquated law.
    3. I cant believe the catholic church, in all its supposed maturity, had fallen into Celdran’s trap. Had they forgiven Celdran, they could have easily won the hearts and mind of most people.
    4. I cant believe the church still couldnt get the real issue: it is not who gets jailed, it is who gets exposed. Score: 1-0 for celdran here.
    .

    • just_anotherperson

      More like 2 – 12 months for Celdran.

      Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

    • henri_see

       Better believe it.
      You’d do the same if I called you an SOB in front of your family, at dinner, in your own house.

    • James

      Forgiveness does not erase the punishment of justice.

      You may forgive somebody who committed a crime against you but he must answer the law for the sake of justice.

      Even Socrates knows Justice’s meaning by drinking the hemlock poison even though he can chose exile.

  • READMENOW2011

    Psychologists have an explanation why Celdran is behaving  like that. 

  • virgo57

    Masyadong hipokrito ang mga apostoles ng Romano Katoliko Mga suwail anak kayo ng tipaklong

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z6R2QAY7UWNJMTCRTED3JZXPIA Joey

    buti  nga! naging mayabang eh, mula ng mailagay ang pangalan sa dyaryo at sumikat ng konti.

    • just_anotherperson

      Sinunod lang ni Celdran ang showbiz strategy na “All publicity is good publicity” 

      Kaya lang, kulang siya sa common sense.

  • brunogiordano

    Ang decision ay against FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION na protektado ng CONSTITUTION.

    Ang nahatulan lang na hindi sakop ng FREEDOM EXPRESSION(SPEECH) ay ang pag sigaw ng SUNOG! SUNOG! sa theater na puno ng tao.

    Ang hatol na ito ay siguradong ma o overturned.

    • magiting78

         Bawat karapatan ay may kaakibat na responsibilidad…maaari mong itaguyod ang iyong karapatan kung hnd ka nakakatapak ng ibang karapatan….Ang kanyang ginulo sa oras na yun pook sambahan..hindi ang karapatan ng mga pari ang kanyang tinapakan kung karapatan nung mga nag sisimba na magkaroon ng tahimik at payapang lugar upang sila ay manalangin…
         Karapatin natin mag pahayag ng ating saloobin subalit ay nasa tamang pamamaraan at tamang lugar…Ang mag pahayag ng saloobin sa lansangan ay isa ding pag labag sa karapatan ng ibang mamayan na magkaroon ng mapayapa at maginhawang pag lalakbay.

    • henri_see

       Kung pumasok ako ng bahay mo at nagsisigaw ako na Pu*a, prostitute o magnanakaw ang asawa mo, siguradong di yun covered ng FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. Baka bugbugin mo pa ako at di ka makukulong dahil nasa pamamahay mo ako.

      Get it?

  • Shadows1

    I am a pro-RH and I believe in the cause that this Celdran is fighting for.But I am also for decency and respect. The right to free expression is not an absolute right. You cannot step on other people’s rights to exercise your right.Celdran obviously violated the law of the land and the law of decency and respect for his “gimmicky.”

    • Verchez

      Ang tanong ko lang ay ganito halimbawa buhay si Hesus Kristo at physical
      na naroroon Sya sa misang ginulo ni Carlos Celdran ihahabla kaya Nya si
      Carlos?

      • http://twitter.com/emilFL Emil Dela Rosa

        ang tanong mo ay sabaw

      • Verchez

        Gusto ko lang naman alamin ang opinion mo. Pakishare naman na may paggalang.

      • jseesus

        of course no, kasi sabi ni Jesus, pag sinampal ka sa kaliwa pasampal mo rin yung kanan. pag binato ka ng bato batuhin mo nang tinapay. ang problema ang mga prayle na yan lagi sa simbahan pero hindi cguro nagbabasa nang bible.

      • levis2012

        HIndi naman talaga nagbabasa ng Bible ang mga Pari, Obispo at pati ang Pope.  Kasi kung nagbabasa yan eh sana nalaman na nilang lahat na puro kasinungalingan ang kanilang mga itinuturo at puro kabaligtaran sa nasusulat sa Bibliya….. Wala kang mahahanap o mababasa tungkol sa Perpetual Virginity of Mary pero itinuturo nila.  Wala sa Bible, kahit pa sa Catholic Bible ang Ascension of Mary to heaven, pero itinuturo nila,  Ang infant baptism ay wala sa Bible, pero itinuturo nila.  Ang Intercession of Mary ay wala rin sa Bible, wala rin sa Bible ang mag confess ka sa Pari, at lalong wala sa Bible ang Transubstantiation ng katawan at dugo ni Christ sa host at wine, pero itinuturo ng Katoliko.  Wala sa Bible ang Purgatory, itinuturo din…. At lalong bawal sa Bible gumawa ng mga imahen na gawa sa kahoy o anupaman dahil kasuklam-suklam at IDOLATRY ang gawaing yan sa harapan ng Diyos, pero punong-puno ng mga Images ang BUONG PILIPINAS dahil sa Roman Catholic FALSE DOCTRINES na ito.  Ang mali, itinuturo nilang Tama, ang Wala sa Bible, siya nilang tinuturo at ginagawa… This country is under God’s curse because of all these LIES, DECEPTIONS and SINS. Ang 80% of the Filipino population are deceived today, including the previous Filipinos in the past 600 years of Roman Catholic Dominance in this Country.

        I call on every Filipino to read and study your Bibles, to personally know and prove that what i am declaring here is true.

      • henri_see

        Ibabato sya palabas, gaya ng ginawa ni Kristo sa mga mangangalakal at payaso sa Templo.
        Ganun kasi si Celdran, isang payaso.

      • Kalapok

         kung buhay si Kristo nyan di buhay din ang mga apostoles!! di sya
        palalampasin ni apostoles pedro!!  titikbasin ni Pedro ng espada tenga
        nyah!!!! 

      • Shadows1

         
        Why don’t you ask Christ HImself when you sees Him? We cannot answer for Jesus of course.

    • magiting78

      I totally agree…bawat karapatan ay may kaakibat n responsibilidad..responsibilidad n igalang ang karapatan ng iba…wari ito ang hnd n uunawaan ng karamihan kaya maraming kaguluhan, sa pakikipaglaban nila ng kanilang karapatan maraming mga inosenteng mamayan ang natatapakan din ang karapatan..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VIZVTAXF7CDL73UM2K5AQ2JT3M paolo s

    I commend his bravery and courage to express his natural right of speech despite the odds stack against him. People who think and do different makes this true changes and revolutionize the mediocrity of society. But the law is still a law – he would serve his sentence but despite that I personally believe it is all worth fighting for.   

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      I agree with you.  Celdran, in the first place, knew something was coming to him for what he has done.  Now, if he will fight the court for sentencing him to go to jail, he is a coward. Better for him to serve his jail term without any resistance so that those who believe in him will see in him a hero.

  • Albert Einstien

    there is a PROVISION of law that TAXES the church …the govt & BIR just DONT KNOW it….lol

    there is NO NEED for a NEW LAW that taxes the church it is there very very CLEAR…they just have to KNOW how to INVOKE , assess and collect it….lol

    celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

    celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      If a law that taxes the Church exists, then let it be implemented!

      If according to you, Celdran was just exercising his his religious belief while doing the Damaso episode, let the court decide on it.

      but the issue at hand is:

      the rightness or wrongness, the legality or illegality of disrupting any religious service, whether it may be  a Catholic, Christian, Protestant or Moslem religious service!!!Edit
      Reply

    • henri_see

       Sablay.
      That does not apply because the Penal Code sets no preference for any religion. Celdran would still be jailed whether he did it in a Buddhist Temple, Jewish Synagogue, Muslim Mosque or Rizalista Chapel.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

    Tax free income ng mga pari. Hindi sila nakakatulong.

    • nganga1

      you are out of order

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

        Nagngangang pari ka?

    • henri_see

       Di lang pari,
      pati pastor,
      imam,
      NPA,
      Pati fishball vendor,
      jeepney driver,
      cigarette vendor,
      some Binondo businessmen,
      politicians.

      Ang talagang may tax on income lang naman ay ang mga kawawang 15-30 ang sweldo.

      • http://twitter.com/vicevinvirtue Vinnie Marquez

        I disagree. Lahat tayo, pati ang nanlilimos nagbabayad ng 12% sa lahat ng bagay na kinokonsumo natin. Kuryente, tubig, pagkain, grocery. Lahat may 12%.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQXLAHQCCIEO3WMCTNZSWIE3AI Lagotka

    This guy Celdran is weird. Do you think he can come out alive if he did they same thing in a mosque? That’s not freedom of speech what he did, that’s plain disrespect for a religion.

    • Albert Einstien

      my friend he is catholic…why he will intrude to other faith..they should have tried him in VATICAN…para nakapasyal pa sya..not to philippine courts…kun sa vatican yan trial nya..tanggal ang mga pari na sinusumbong nya sa god…..pero dito baliktad…

    • henri_see

       Amen,
      No Buddhist, Muslim or even Atheist would like his beliefs to be disrespected in his own house.

  • Verchez

    Ang tanong ko lang ay ganito halimbawa buhay si Hesus Kristo at physical na naroroon Sya sa misang ginulo ni Carlos Celdran ihahabla kaya Nya si Carlos?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMILZVJMPLRYOGFXL6PPNEVS24 Mike Arroyo

       Kanina ka pa tanong ng tanong nyan! Ang dali dali ng tanong, di mo masagot.

      • Verchez

        Please pakisagot nga para malaman ko ang opinion mo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMILZVJMPLRYOGFXL6PPNEVS24 Mike Arroyo

        Pano niyang ihahabla si Carlos e nagsasabi lang naman siya ng totoo?

      • Verchez

         Tama ka at siguradong kakausapin nalang Nya ng mahinahon si Carlos. At ito kanya’y papatawarin. Ito ang pag-ibig na dapat na namayani sa mga kaparian

      • Verchez

         Madali palang sagutin yet until now walang ka namang sagot. Crucial kasi ang tanong na ito sa dapat na gawin ng mga kaparian na nanumpang mabuhay sa imahe ni Hesus.

    • http://twitter.com/emilFL Emil Dela Rosa

      ang tanong mo ay sabaw

      • Verchez

        Gusto ko lang naman alamin ang opinion mo. Pakishare naman na may paggalang.

    • Cerise David

      Ipapakulong sya ni Poncio Pilato. Maingay sya eh.

    • Kalapok

       kung buhay si Kristo nyan di buhay din ang mga apostoles!! di sya palalampasin ni apostoles pedro!!  titikbasin ni Pedro ng espada tenga nyah!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/kintoy Boardinggate101.com

    he did commit a violation. isipin nyo na lang kung biglang may nag-picket habang may kinaksal or may binyag, matutuwa ba kayo nun?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

       ibang crime na yan, public scandal na yan, hindi yan “hurt the feeling of the faithfuls”

  • Fulpol

    this rude, not law abiding gay has a lot of fans…

    • tohellwithhypocrites

      fulpol na troll ka nga….

  • regd

    I’m with freedom of speech and I dislike the damaso’s but if you come inside my house and shout invectives, the only way you get out is feet first!

  • Albert Einstien

    impliedly repealed na yan provision ng  1932 RPC art 133 ng 1987 constitution HINDI lang ininvoke ng lawyer nya…pwede pa i-invoke yan sa appeal…issue of jurisdiction din yan…

    .
    celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

    celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….religious exercise yan..

    • henri_see

       Off tangent interepretation mo, ‘pre.
      Wala namang preference na nangyari. It applies to ALL RELIGIONS.

  • speedstream2

    Like they say, you do the crime, you do the time. With this jail term though has the guy now morphed from an outspoken eccentric into some sort of “martyr”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/andre.fuego.9 Andre Fuego

     Hindi binastos ni Celdran ang mga taong kasapi sa simbahang Katoliko. Ipinabatid lamang niya ang gusto rin naman na sabihin ng mga taong sumusuporta sa RH Bill nung mga panahong iyon. Yun ay ang wag nang makialam ang simbahan sa usapin ng pag-pasa ng nasabing batas, bigyan nila ng pag-kakataong mamili ang mga tao at di dapat nilang pakialaman kung ano man ang magiging disesyon ninuman. Uulitin ko, hindi binastos ni Carlos Celdran and sinumang nanampalataya sa simbahang Katoliko, ang kinakalaban niya ay ang mga namumuno sa simbahan at hindi ang mga sumasampalataya lang naman. Hindi kayang sirain ng isang tao ang isang relihiyon na ilang libong taon na ang edad. Di rin kayang burahin ng isang taong naka costume ang paniniwala ng milyun milyong tao. Walang ginawang masama si Carlos Celdran, ayaw lang ng simbahan na may manglaban sa kanilang sistema, ayaw din nilang may mga taong tumulad kay Celdran dahil alam nilang ikasisira iyon ng kanilang binuong “banal” na paniniwala. I

    At sa mga bastos na nag-popost, PLEASE LET THE GROWN UPS HANDLE THIS OK .

    • henri_see

      Well, he should have done this outside the church, not inside DURING HOLY MASS.

      Buddhists, too, would be offended if such happened in their temples.
      Muslims, too, in their mosques.
      Atheists in North Korea would have killed him if he insulted atheism in an atheists’ Congress there.

      The law is the law. STOP WHINING and face it like a man.

      • Kalapok

         korek!! freedom with responsibility ang dapat pairalin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/andre.fuego.9 Andre Fuego

         But you see sir, what if the law is unjust and backed up by a tyrant sect, should we just look the other way? And please sir, explain to me how a “holy mass” where only 5 percent of the people are supposedly listening, the others are only there to compare clothes, feel special, look at women, hold hands with their spouse, sleep and wait until the priest end the mass, while the minds of other people there just wanders away not even listening to the sermon. All these are led by a priest who say condoms are evil but child molestaion is ok. Now tell me  sir, how this became holy.
         

      • henri_see

        Are you an idiot or just trying to be one?

      • http://www.facebook.com/andre.fuego.9 Andre Fuego

        Well maybe I am an idiot. Maybe you are. Maybe the guy whos next to comment. Maybe the lady who walks by the street right now thinking the same thing. Maybe someone who has the same opinion as you. We are all idiots in each others eyes because we have different views. Its just a case of what kind of idioticness can you tolerate. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Im going to take my idiot pill now, good night sir.

    • davaodurian

       Andre Fuego….Tell that to the Marines!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/andre.fuego.9 Andre Fuego

         Im sorry sir but the marines has nothing to do with this. Nyek.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCQMRK4HVOSF2IGML46TAGKMXU Benjamin

    This will further divide the nation regarding freedom of speech and religion. Here in the US if a person demonstrating against a certain person or religious practices is arrested, the length of penalty only last hours or a day. Bakit? Panahon pa ba ang Piliipinas ng mga prayle na nagsamantala sa kawawang Pilipinas? Ito ang isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit sumulat si Rizal ng dalawang libro na gumising sa damdamin ng mga Pinoy. Let the guy protest at hayaan siya na gawin iyon hanggang ginagawa niya iyon ng matahimik. If Rizal were alive today, I believe he would have criticized the church as well as the court who handed this ruling. Tsk, tsk.. We are still mathematically under the influence of the Spaniards and mostly by the friars represented today by the Catholic Religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

    This guy will become a hero.

    • henri_see

       He already is.
      He dresses as Rizal.

    • davaodurian

       Baka Hero Sandwich… : )

  • brunogiordano

    “It is therefore encouraging that more enlightened bodies such as the Human Rights Council of the United Nations has released General Comment No. 34, which affirms the superiority of the right to free speech over the so-called right against blasphemy”

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH is SUPERIOR over so-called right against blasphemy.

    • henri_see

       When the religious can freely speak against atheism in China or North Korea, let’s have a conversation.

    • igmat

      “affirms the superiority of the right to free speech over the so-called right against blasphemy” maybe it differs in different sect or society or country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Complete BS.

    RIP Freedom of Expression.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OGNBATQP6PD7MV7P6GPSPW7PSQ Tommy

    ikulong yan!! isa yan sa mga naglipanang mga Anti-Christ.

    • davaodurian

       Dapat doon dalhin yan sa Manila City Jail…isama sa mga kriminal at gawan ng malaking tatoo ni HesuKristo sa likod at harap niya at nang magtanda!

  • tohellwithhypocrites

    hindi rin ba kabastusan kung tawagin ng ibang pari ang mga doktor na mga abortionists sa loob ng simbahan kung nag hohomily sila? 

    • henri_see

       e di mag-file ka ng kasong offending abortionists’ feelings.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

        Bwahahahahaha! Good one Henri!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        You see, that’s the difference between catholic priests and rational thinkers. While catholic priests do not know the meaning of the word “forgiveness”, we rational people do.

      • henri_see

        Let’s give you a medal then.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Exactly the type of reply one would expect from a loyal catholic.

      • henri_see

         Forgive me then, you forgiving rational thinker.

  • Derrick Ross

    It seems that the lower court was convinced that Celdran’s actions were notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful. 
    How did the witnesses establish that they represent the faithful? 
    How do you establish that you have full of faith?
    How did they prove what they felt?
    What is “notoriously offensive”? 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      Tanong mo, sagot mo. 

  • henri_see

    RH Bill is a law.
    So is the Revised Penal Code.
    Dura Lex Sed Lex.

    The law is harsh, but it is the law.

    • parefrank

      The problem is that being harsh is very selective. Just think about the Cyber Law. There should be a sentence for libel up to 12 years while big criminals like killer or robbers and those who created billion scams can get away much lower. Libel, which is near nowhere a crime, if ever it is an offense against the Civil Code. In RP, even the original 6 years are extreme high and at the Cyber Law Sen. Sotto increased it to 12 years after he was accused of plagiarism by relatives of the late US president Kennedy. Let’s hope that everyone who is sentenced will elevate the case to the United Nations Court.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

    Simbahan yan…….nambastos siya……duon siya sa piitan magsisigaw……mahilig daw sa tisoy ang mga bading doon.

    Freedom of expression ba? Pumunta kayo sa squatter area at sumigaw ” HOY MALIGO NGA KAYO!
    Tingnan natin Kung makapagappeal pa kayo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

      Teka lang ah, tama ba intindi ko? Kumbaga magkatulad ng asal ang nasa squatters’ area at ang mga pari? Hmm makes sense to me.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

        Mali intindi mo boi. Ano ba ang asal ng mga squatters? Di naman asal ang pinaguusapan. Freedom of expression. Ayoko ng ipaliwanag kasi Baka di mo naman maintindihan.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        You just implied earlier if Carlos Celdran offended squatters, then he would suffer just the same. Why mention this if not to say that he offended the priests in the same manner? Aren’t you trying to “justify” that the priests were offended the same way, thus they can file a case against Carlos?

        Aww so cute when you catholics try to use logic. It’s like a little baby trying to walk for the first time.

      • livelancer

        I stopped reading midway through your comment because you sound like an ignorant a-hole trying to sound intellectually rich. You’re like a kid who learned new words, but stupid enough to connect these words together.

        Don’t hate. I’m just giving you the Carlos Celdran treatment.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Aww call me when you become a Mensa member, then let’s talk.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

        Celdran knew that the worst that could happen was jail time for his theatrics in church. Anywhere else, be it in the slums, in a coffee shop, in a bar, if you offend an entire group gravely, you will feel physical pain, almost immediately.

        “You Catholics?” This is not about being Catholic. It’s about being decent and respecting places of worship.

        I will not go into your temple, where you worship the devil, and insult you. I will wait for you outside then kick your face in.

  • igmat

    this could be felt either way but since their is a complaint, it must also be addressed. it has to be settled.The fact that celdran is contesting the decision showed that he respected the decision and knew that he has remedies within the bounds of the law. goodluck to both sides.

  • padrefaura

    Carlos Celdran, how would you feel if while you are giving a tour, somebody disrupts your group and say hurtful insinuations (true or not) against you? 

    i am with you in your move for the RH Bill (now a law), but freedom of expression has its limits. you cannot use freedom of expression to disrupt a gathering, especially if it is a solemn one. you crossed the line here and the guilty verdict is just and right.

    • parefrank

      A bit wrong. The Church is also disrupting this freedom by using the “solemn” occasion for anti RH propaganda, something which has nothing to do with a solemn mass. The contitution declares separation of Church and govrnment, so the government should not meddle in relidious matters and the Church not in political matters. Nobody can charge a priest who disrupts a political gathering, only contrary.

      • henri_see

         But it’s doing it in its own house. Why can’t Celdran do it in his own?

      • panhase

        He is a Catholic, so it´s also his house.

      • beboergosum

        karamihan ng mga against sa Church dito ay mga atheists.  Mga di naniniwala sa Diyos.  

    • davaodurian

       I agree. He has crossed the line and he should be man enough to go to jail. Umayos-ayos ka para di umabot ng maximum sentence na 13 months 11 days yung parusa sa iyo.

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      But it’s perfectly alright for bishops and priests to spout nonsense in mass, such as claiming that contraceptives decrease promiscuity, that the recent typhoons are god’s punishment against RH Law, or that being gay is sinful?

      Your church promotes all sorts of intolerance and hypocrisy under the guise of religious freedom, and yet you decide to take it out on the one guy who speaks out about it. I spit upon you faith.

      Go ahead. Arrest me.

      • davaodurian

        I pray that the Lord will not split your tongue like that of serpents. May God have mercry on your soul.

      • henri_see

         Another black propagandist.
        In my decades of being a Catholic, I was never taught that “being gay is sinful.” It’s gay sex that is sinful, as are all sex outside of marriage.
        As for condom and promiscuity… do you know condom-rich Thailand? How many AIDS cases do they have? How about condom-starved Philippines? How many AIDS cases?
        I know that this is all debatable, that is why it is so pathetic of you to be calling all church teachings “nonsense” right away.
        As for typhoons being punishment, I remember Edse Lagman saying Sendong would not have happened if there was an RH Law? Where was your indignation then, at this politician’s use of a tragedy to push condom use?

        Or you only want to consider your own opinions “sensical” and everything contrary as nonsense? Who’s the arrogant hypocrite now?

    • henri_see

       Good one!

      But for these arrogant jerks, it’s their way or the highway. Only THEY deserve respect, and no one else. God forbid they get everything they want.

  • igmat

    Mr Celdran has a way of communicating with people while he work and this makes him very effective storyteller. So anything he will say pro or con may in fact weigh more than the ordinary citizen like me has to say albeit it could hurt more because of his stature and obviously this one hurt the most sensibilities of the faithful

  • brunogiordano

    “The detailed 52-paragraph statement, General Comment No. 34, is the outcome of two years of intense debate among representatives of governments and civil society organizations. The Committee’s previous comment on freedom of opinion and expression, in 1983, was only four paragraphs long. In addition to taking up such matters as treason, defamation of heads of state, “memory laws” enforcing an official version of history, and the rights of bloggers, Comment 34 comes down strongly against religious limitations on speech. It does so not only by asserting that the right to free speech is foundational to a free and democratic society as well as to the protection and promotion of other rights. It also appeals explicitly to the values of freedom of conscience and equality before the law.”

    • beboergosum

      Yeah, right.  Kaya nga syado na magulo mundo eh, dahil jan sa mga rights nayan.  rights always rights with little emphasis on responsibility.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    For all what he has done inside the Manila Cathedral, Carlos Celdran knew from the very start that he had violated some laws.  And this ruling by the Court on his case he should have seen coming.  If Celdran really has the balls and wants to prove to everybody that he is fighting for a just cause, then he should accept his sentence and spend sometime in jail.  Only then his believers and followers will see in him  a hero!  Pati ba naman korte babastusin niya rin?  Bastusan na lang tayo sa Pinas kaya, tutal may freedom of speech nga eh.

    • beboergosum

      Eh dami ngang bastos dito sa forum eh.  Lahat followers ni Celdran.  

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    precious catholic feelings. no pedophile priest in jail yet

    • henri_see

       What have you done to put one in jail? Maybe there’s none in the Philippines? Or you content yourself with Internet trolling?

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        The more important question is “Is Vatican willing to let one of their bros rot in jail?”
        Heard about the Google? Try “Rev. Fernando Sayasaya”
        Did I hurt your feelings?

      • henri_see

        Why not? It happened before.
        My feelings are not important. Your intelligence, though, or lack of it, I’m worried about.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        LOL none in PH. Why? stunned? No response on Rev. Fernando Sayasaya’s case? That’s it? That’s an intelligent retort? OK. I rest my case. You may go back to your cbcp boot-licking duties.

      • henri_see

        And you?
        Whose assh0le are you licking? I get it. Your own.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        LOL. Cry me a river.

    • beboergosum

      Marami na bro.  Some had been beaten to death in prison, others committed suicide.  

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        oh, really…

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Why ? 

      in case you put one in jail you will have to put all in jail, Panlilio excepted,
       
      same with the politicians, their dancing partners since Magellan !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    you know the answers to your questions, that’s why you deserved to rot in jail.

  • kuz_n_efek

    Freedom itself is good. But you can’t think of any freedom without thinking of responsibility. Freedom should be in the context of responsibility. Let me share one popular dictum that says: “The freedom of one ends when the freedom of others begin”. Freedom is salient to human existence. Hence, it’s almost impossible to think of your own freedom if you deny the freedom of others.
    I can’t imagine what would the situation be if the same gesture being made in front of the President by the opposition of RHB at Malacanang. Again, the right of each individual should be coupled with his or her own obligation. You’ve your own right, but your right is bounded with the rights of others, the so called obligation. Indeed, if you take away your obligation, your own right will be taken away as well. 
    This guy, Carlos is like a strange dog, barking the wrong tree. If you’re advocating the alleviation of poverty in PH, then invest your energy in fighting against corruption in the Country. Poverty is merely an offshoot of rampant CORRUPTION in PH.     

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      Yes, because we all know how loudly the bishops and company howled against president Gloria Macapagal Arroyo’s corruption and extrajudicial killings. 

      • carlos_premacio

        Bakit nakasama dito ang kurakot na GMA? If you agree with what Celdran is doing then you may exercise your freedom of expression by shouting inside the Mosque while the Muslims are praying. I know you’re brave. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    the guy is lunatic.  wala na ba siyang ibang pinagkakaabalahan sa buhay, maliban sa pagiging clown?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CPKBUVYIYQUSJFCCB7KTNRZCPQ Emman

    Huwag mo nang idamay ang IGLESIA NI CRISTO dito, Pitbulldog. Mahilig kang umepal

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMILZVJMPLRYOGFXL6PPNEVS24 Mike Arroyo

    Ang malaking problem kasi sa misa ay 1 way conversation. Lagi ang pari ang nanenermon. Wala magawa ang mga nasa simbahan kahit mali na ang tinuturo. Nagkataon na si Celdran ay sinermunan ang monsenyor kaya nagtampo at na-hurt.

  • Ben Ching

    If Celdran can go to jail for violating the feelings of a religion such as the catholic church, can the catholic church go to jail for violating separation of church and state.  The Bishops are not doing the Catholic Church any favor by their actuations, they are writing their own obituaries.  

    • amapangarap

      naku, the rabid catholic followers are on the prowl, kita mo marami magagalit sayo

    • carlos_premacio

      we’ll you can try your premise by shouting inside the Mosque while the Muslims are praying. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    “I am calm but I am going to fight this till the end,” Celdran said in a statement posted on social media alongside a copy of the court’s decision. Celdran remains free on bail, pending his appeal.

    Saan na naman kaya manggugulo itong si Celdran daldal, sa Supreme Court?  Sige, sumugod ka duon at guluhin mo ang mga mahistrado pag hindi umuwi kang bugbog sarado.

    • superpilipinas

      He will get much more jail time pag itnaas pa niya sa CA at SC.

      Nagmamatigas pa eh mali naman talaga ginawa niya. Nananahimik mga tao sa loob ng simbahan. Nagdadasal sa diyos. Kung may protesta siya, dapat sa labas ng simbahan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

    Andaming nagsasabing Carlos Celdran deserved it, he had it coming, blah blah blah. Nasan kayo nung lumabas ang balita tungkol sa Mitsubishops? Sa ivory na kinukuha mula sa elepante? Nung sumulpot ang mga balita tungkol sa mga namolestiyang bata? Yun hindi kayo na-offend dun?

    I got one word for people like you: hypocrites.

    • superpilipinas

      Of course he deserves it. It is the law.

      The bishops and the clergy who committed crime deserved to be punished. They deserve it. Sino ang hindi na-offend?

      He-he-he. Kung hindi ka kuntento sa parusa sa mga bishop at clergy, mag protesta ka sa Batasan at Senado. Gayahin mo si Celdran. Otherwise, Ikaw ang hypocrite.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Are you saying that you’re contented with what the priests got for all those? A simple slap on the wrist? Wow, what values you have. Gotta envy you catholics.

      • carlos_premacio

        file a case against those priests. or you may even try your free speech by shouting inside a Mosque while the Muslims are praying. We may envy the Muslims on what they are going to do with you. Be brave. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Still not answering my question as to whether the punishment Celdran got and the priests “got” seem fair to you. What do you think, “o moral one”?

      • carlos_premacio

        have I seen something wrong with my priests? they’re doing their best as a servant in our parish.

        Have you seen something? Why not file criminal cases to prove that you’re right. Until you will not file it, your generalizations is utterly wrong. Go on with your bravery and try it inside the Mosques and maybe protest on the way Muslims treat their women.

    • henri_see

       You had that covered, as I saw the insults (against the church) were lively too during those episodes.
      The difference is you didn’t follow up and jailed the guilty parties. You just contented yourselves about being keyboard warriors.
      With Celdran, there was follow up. Now he’s in deep kimchi.

    • beboergosum

      We were offended by those too.  As a member of Christ’s mystical body, the Church, it saddens me when scandals like that happen.  Alam nmn natin yan, middle ages pa lang may skandalo na sa simbahan.  And mind you, the Church had had severe beatings as a result of those outrage, Bishops and priests who do their job well and are faithful to Christ’s teachings, and even us the laypeople who care much for the church are the first ones to feel shamed and pained because of the sins of those abusive priests.  But going back to Celdran, he has to face the consequence of what he did. 

  • adriel0104

    ABNORMAL/BAKLA kasi.Pag nakapasok na yan sa prisohan hindi na yan gusto lumabas.Magsasawa sya doon sa daming TT.

  • AntonioPeYangIII

    Dear Philippine Government, 

    The United Nations recently passed a resolution that puts free speech above so-called blasphemy laws. We are among that resolution’s signatories

    Just a friendly reminder from a taxpayer.  

    • superpilipinas

      Dear taxpayer, speak for yourself. I’m a taxpayer too.

      The United Nations knows fully well that free speech can not be used by someone to protest inside churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc.

      It is called disrespect and uncivilized!

    • henri_see

       dear taxpayer,
      there’s an off-chance that I may be paying bigger taxes than you. celdran was not charged with blasphemy, just offending religious feeling, a minor crime that punishes up to 2 years prison, or none if on probation.
      until the united nations pays taxes in our country, too, tell it not to meddle in our law enforcement.

      regards,
      fellow taxpayer.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Dear taxpayer,

        An entity that does not pay taxes at all despite earning millions should not have special treatment from the government. But hey, they’re the church, so they’re untouchable, right? Their moral compass must be perfect, I assume, so their rights are above anyone else’s.

      • carlos_premacio

        Dear Taxpayer, 

        Tell the United Nations and you can even try your ‘free speech above blasphemy’ by shouting inside the Mosque while the Muslims are praying. 

        If nothing will happen to you, I’ll return the taxes you pay. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Yeah, just to go along with your line of reasoning here, let’s assume that the Muslims go berserk on me (only for the sake on an example). Are you saying that’s the proper way of dealing with detractors? Because to me, you’re using that to justify the actions of your priests – that “all bets are off” if your feelings were offended.

        My oh my, if those are what you say “christian values”, then to hell with that.

      • carlos_premacio

        well if your ‘value’ speaks that if you do not agree with the stand of some people then you’ll go to their church protesting and shouting while they are praying. Go ahead brother. As I have said try your bravery to the Mosques of our Muslim brothers. Celdran is lucky that the Catholic Church adhere to the rule of law by letting the courts interpret whether the acts of Celdran violates common decency. I do not know if he’ll try it with the other Churches like the Mosque.

        And the Catholic Church is not the priests. Why won’t you file cases against those erring priests. It seems that you know something about them. What have you done so far?

      • superpilipinas

        What special treatment?

        The law is being followed. No law is being bent.

        The church is not untouchable. You are just imagining it. Laws cover the church. If a priest came into a mosque and protested with disrespect, he would also be jailed.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Yeah sure, but not child molesters and those that accept bribes, right? They can do anything but not offend religious feelings. Priorities, priorities.

      • henri_see

        No, dadaboi’s moral compass is above everyone else’s. Even if he doesn’t know that the church pays taxes in terms of VAT on the things that it buys. As for income tax, all non-profit organizations are exempt, not just the church, but the red cross, charitable organizations, NGOs, orphanages, all of whom meddle in government.
        Idiot.

      • panhase

         Dear henri_see,
        until the Church pays taxes in our country, tell her not to meddle in our government affairs

      • henri_see

        The Church pays tax all the time with the VAT on things it buys. Don’t kid yourself even when losing the argument.

      • panhase

        Do something about your comprehension problems.

  • nganga1

    bastos ng taong to

  • turin55555

    Funny, the churchmen chose to support the path of putting him behind bars. Even Christ Jesus forgave him the moment he interrupted the Eucharistic celebration.

    • henri_see

       Christ would have thrown him out of the church, like he did to the merchants and clowns making a market out of the Temple.

      • turin55555

        So, essentially you are saying Jesus wont forgive him?

      • carlos_premacio

        gawin mo kaya ‘yon sa Mosque kung saan nagdadasal ang mga Muslim, ano kayang mangyari sa ‘yo. Freedom of expression din ba? 

      • turin55555

        Carlos Celdran did the act in a Catholic church. Comparing it to a  mosque is like comparing  apples and oranges.  

      • carlos_premacio

        bakit hindi ba pareho din ‘yon? sa loob ng simbahan ka magprotesta? hindi ba’t simbahan din ‘yong Mosque? Try mong magprotesta at magsisigaw sa loob ng mga Mosque on issues na hindi ka sangayon sa mga ginagawa ng mga Muslim. There’s a right place where to make protest.

      • turin55555

        They allow stoning people to death. We, Catholics, do not kill. 

        Again, apples and oranges.

      • carlos_premacio

        Now you know it. Celdran is lucky that he chose the Catholic Church of his immaturity. I hope he will try it inside the Mosque so that he will learn the reason why we have a law prohibiting a person from disturbing the peaceful worship of some people inside their churches. Decency is the right word here.

      • turin55555

        You still don’t get it. Mr. Celdran is a Catholic that is why he chose to do it inside a Catholic Church. Problem is, he did his thing to the unforgiving Catholic priests in this country.

      • carlos_premacio

        Even if he is a Catholic he has no right to show his immaturity inside the Church where other Catholics are also praying. Civilized, decent people know about this basic rule that is why it is punished by our Penal Laws. Whether unforgiving or not Catholics, there’s a law. Dura lex sed lex, the law may be harsh but that’s the law. Do you mean we have to exempt Celdran for violating the rights not of the priests but of other worshipers? He can do his devilish acts outside the Church maybe a few meters away from the Church door.

      • turin55555

        The monsignor chose to exercise his right as a citizen of this country to have someone like Mr. Celdran be criminally prosecuted. By putting him behind bars, the monsignor essentially threw him to the dogs. Once he gets molested, sexually harassed or physically abused by fellow prisoners (which we presume may happen), what would the monsignor say to Jesus when they meet in eternal life?

      • carlos_premacio

        that’s your weird presumption on Celdran be molested inside the prison cell. Why blame the Monsignor for that? Why blame the worshipers for that? Have you not asked Celdran whether his ready for that because with his ‘bravery’ he knows of the consequences. To us it may be suffering but this may be alright to Celdran who willingly and criminally with intent abuse the private rights of others. To people like you who called him brave then let him suffer/enjoy the consequence. Rule of law, let him suffer the penalty.

      • turin55555

        I have to reply to your last comment in this space bec. there is no more space below. I never called him brave. Mr Celdran was wrong when he did his act inside the Church. For a monsignor to sue him in a criminal court is totally unacceptable to a Catholic like myself. Ok, let’s say he wont get molested in jail, still the monsignor will subject him to physical/mental/psychological abuse that accompanies incarceration.

      • carlos_premacio

        the monsignor has all the right to file a criminal case against him being a citizen of this republic. no question about that.

        He can exercise the same rights enjoyed by me and by you also. No exemption about that. What Celdran committed is an offense against decency, an offense against the people of the Philippines being punishable by our penal code and the courts found him guilty. He must suffer the penalty for the offense he willfully and with criminal intent had committed inside the Church.

        And I am a Catholic also and I am offended by the way Celdran committed the crime. I want the law be enforces against him because of his lack of decency and of his immaturity.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Do Celdran is a Muslim ?

        Do Damaso is a Muslim ?

        Do the Ayatolah are Children’s molestation specialists

        Do the Imams are against condom ?

        What do the Muslim said against RH Bill ?

      • carlos_premacio

        Bakit ba sa loob ng simbahan si Celdran mag-protesta. Kung gagawin kaya niya ‘yon sa mga Mosque?

      • henri_see

        he would be forgiven, while being thrown out, for being a rude, low-class imbecile. but he’ll be forgiven.

      • turin55555

        Is this similar as Mr. Celdran being forgiven by the Catholic clergy but he has to be sent behind bars too? 

        I wonder what would the Vicar of Christ say about this situation. 

      • henri_see

        The law of Caesar must be enforced.

      • turin55555

        Then the act/law is “outside” Christ’s Church.

      • henri_see

        which is the case with celdran

    • beboergosum

      Ikaw ba pag may nag-gate crash sa family gathering nyo at pinagmu-mura kayo dun sa harap ng mga bisita nyo, hindi mo idi-demanda.  Yes, forgive him.  No problem with that. That is a great Christian act.  Pero Celdran is still responsible for what he did and should face the consequence of what he had chosen to do.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    Malapit na ang bertdey ni Bishop Pueblos…
     Dapat itong ipagdiwang      HAPI BERTDEY PUEBLOS
                                             GRABE ANG KAPAL NG MUKHA MO…
                                             ANG TRIBO MO ANG DAPAT NA IKINAKARSEL..
                                             MONTERO IPASOK MO SA PWET MO….
                                              HAPI BERTDEY SA YO DIMONYONG OBISPO…

    • beboergosum

      Engage in reasoned debate.  Hindi un ganito, trash.  Wala kang tinuturong maganda sa mga nagbabasa.  It tells a lot about you, and your parents who brought you up.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

        HINDE BA KATOTOHANAN NA ANG MGA PARI AT OBISPO AY SINAMANTALA ANG MGA KATARANTADUHAN NA GINAWA NG REHIMENG PANDAKEKOK PARA MAKAKOTONG AT MAGSAMANTALA SA MGA PREBILIHEYONG MAKUKUHA BASTA IBIGAY LANG SUP[ORTA SA NAPAKABULOK AT KORAP NA REHIMENG ARROYO…

        HAPI BERTDEY PUEBLOS…
        LAHAT NG KAPWA MO ..
        NAKINABANG KAY PANDAKEKOK..
        MONTEROS ANG SARAP SAKYAN…
        MGA BISHOP NAGKUKUWARING MAY KAHIHIYAN…
        PWEEEEEE !!!!!!!!

      • carlos_premacio

        eh bakit ba ‘yong mga pastor mong mga taga Iglesia at saka yong born again ni Villanueva di ba ginamit ‘din ng mga politiko? 

      • beboergosum

        still trash.

    • henri_see

       Wala ka nang mahugot at yan na ang pinatulan mo? Di yan ang pinag uusapan ngayon ‘tol.

      I discuss mo na rin ang Inquisition kung gusto mo.

  • superpilipinas

    He deserved it. He could have protested out of the church.

    There is a right place to exercise freedom of speech. Ask a Protestant, Muslim, or Jew. A church or a mosque or a synagogue is the wrong place. 

    He didn’t realize that he was breaking a law.

    If he still stands by his insanity and raises it to CA or SC, he will get much more jail time. I’d like him to dare do it.

  • batchmatters

    Galit din ako sa pakikialam ng Simbahan pati sa mga bagay na ang gobierno ang mas nararapat at mas may kakayahang humawak. I am all for free speech, but what Celdran did was a real kabastusan. Hindi ito naiwan sa isang tao na pumasok sa bahay ni Celdran, may hawak na mikropnono at plakard, at sumisigaw ng MEDYO MEDYO siya. Lahat ng bagay pag lumampas sa disenteng antas ay mukhang hindi katanggap tanggap. Respetuhan lang talaga.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    “Carlos Celdran is an activist for HIV/AIDS awareness and reproductive health, organizing and appearing at events to promote HIV/AIDS awareness and reproductive health in the Philippines.”

    Lagot ang mga presong yayari kay Carlos Celdran:  may HIV/AIDS yata siya. 

    • amapangarap

      wow..siguro naka-do mo sya kaya alam mo.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

        wow ka rin, LOL

      • amapangarap

        yan na kaya mo? naman. kaka-dissappoint. lol

      • amapangarap

        uuuy, natumbok ko no? may tinatago ka din pala kaya kilalang kilala mo si celdran ha? lolz

  • malek_abdul

    “This is a setback for free speech in the Philippines, which prides
    itself on being a democracy,” Human Rights Watch Asia researcher Carlos
    Conde said in a statement.”

    I may not be of the same faith as many of us here but I think what Celdran did was not an exercise of freedom of speech. It was a show of arrogance and disrespect not only to the priest but also to all the people who were inside the church. Freedom ends where someone else’s begins. Not because there is freedom… it is okay to scream “FIRE” inside a movie theater.

    I may have joined Celdran if he did it outside the church.

  • parefrank

    to henn_see
    The problem is that being a harsh law is very selective. Just think about the Cyber Law. There should be a sentence for libel up to 12 years while big criminals like killer or robbers and those who created billion scams can get away much lower. Libel, which is near nowhere a crime, if ever charged then it is an offense against the Civil Code. In RP, even the original 6 years are already super extreme high compared to most real crimes, but at the Cyber Law Sen. Sotto increased it to 12 years after he was accused of plagiarism, even by relatives of the late US president Kennedy. Let’s hope that everyone who is sentenced will elevate the case to the United Nations Court.  This law is a perfect tool to discourage people to bring up wrongdoings of candidates during campaign. Cyber is the only way to go public for common people while the “less common” have acess to all media. The same people who are for this bill have been applauding to the revolutions in the afeican and arabic countries, which all have been triggered by cyber activities. But here, they fear for the same against them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JBTJXZVGZ6L6KALBKFT3FDIONQ Othro

    Celdran should have been  meted  a  longer  prison  term. 
    He abused  his freedom of speech.
    Walang  modo.  Walang  good  manners.
    Bastos.

    He  should  remember  that  he  is a Celdran 
    That  makes  him  a descendant  of  a  Spaniard, like  Damaso
    May  pagka  Espanol  din  ang  kanyang  ugali.
    O  kaya, nangingibabaw  ang  kanyang  pagka  bakla.

     

  • amapangarap

    Monsignor Cristobal Garcia

  • gilbs72

    Freedoms/Rights entail corresponding responsibility.  That’s all that our laws are saying.

    In Church, you have every right not to attend or to leave.  Celdran’s actions offended the rights of other Church goers who may or may not agree with him, but came there to worship–Filipinos just like himself.

    That this happened in Church is unjustifiable by freedom of speech, since the free exercise of religion and worship is also protected by our laws.

    Celdran could take it like a real man. Make it part of his protest–that he truly stands by his actions, and he’s willing suffer the consequences.  Instead, he wants the right but not to be held accountable.

    • sailphi

      Thats why the law needs to be changed and the religious organizations need to be treated as equals.  You are correct. He was correctly sentenced under the law. Thats why the law, needs to be changed.  The church should have the right to remove him from the premises, and declare him persona non grata, but  because everyone is supposedly invited to the church, he would not be jailed if the law was created equally. but the law is not equal. thats the problem.
      The more the Church tries to push its might against people who understand the concept of equal rights and democracy, who can read and write, and think for themselves, the smaller will become the Church’s flock.  
      The more the Church’s history becomes known by the masses, the more the church loses control of the education of the elite, the more power the middle class has, the more the church will go back to where it started. The church of the uneducated poor, who are oppressed, and criminals who are told that they can kill, but their sins will be forgiven if they go to confession.    

      • henri_see

         It’s called decency.
        If I barged into your home, having dinner with your family, and I called you a criminal, as8hole, you’d charge me with libel and I’ll be in jail, too.

        Serves Carlos right.

  • bugoybanggers

    Iyan ang Democracy ano pa ba? Kung sa Mosque ka gumawa ng ganito ano kaya ang gagawin sa iyo ng mga taga sunod? Kung sa Central ng INC ka gagawa ng ganito ano kaya ang gagawin saiyo ng taga sunod? FREEDOM of SPEECH? FREEDOM to do what ever EVERYONE WANT? DEMOCRACY? Ganon pala tangalin na lang ang BATAS total FREEDOM naman pala lahat dahil sa DEMOCRACY.

  • lilybugan

    buti nman at maturuan ng leksiyon ang baklang yan

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      ginagaya pa nga niya si Imelda Marcos, bading talaga.

  • wehd1nga

    free speech mo mukha mo, pasok ka sa bahay ng may bahay at dun ka magsisigaw ng mga katar_ntaduhan mo, hindi free speech tawag dun kabastusan yun.

  • UrHONOR

    BLESSED are the mentally cross-eyed for they will see their gods twice.

    Pag may busal ang mata, i-isang direksiyon lamang ang nakikita….. at yon-din-ng-yon-din ang makikita habang ang busal ay na sa mata.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EA7TIY7PYXEU5UOXG2K5CY5F64 Eric

    Hoy Hindi Lang ang mga pari ang nabastos dito……ang Simbahan at ang mga nagsisimba..
    Hindi ang mga pari ang Diyos ng karamihang Katoliko. At pro- RH din po ako.

    • LAD

       korek

  • xxxriainxxx

    Christians acting more Christian than Christ himself.

    • henri_see

      Christ hates blowhards.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    Prisoner Carlos Celdran should exercise his freedom of speech to the extremes when next he is out of prison:  At the check-in counters of airports (worldwide).  He can declare that he is carrying a BOMB, and proclaim to the whole world that he is exercising his freedom of speech.  Tingnan nga natin . . .

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMILZVJMPLRYOGFXL6PPNEVS24 Mike Arroyo

      Bopols ka pala e. Declaring that one is carrying a bomb is not freedom of speech.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

        Mas BOPOL ka!  Engot pa.

    • henri_see

       Actually, he did something like that in Dubai. He got canned for it.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        But he will be welcome in Roma, Italian will have love it !

        Why in Dubai, he is a christian, he needed a church for his performance.

        Muslim don’t have a dirty average as strong as the Philippines Clergy, impossible !

  • carlos_premacio

    kung basahin mo ang mga comments nang mga taga-showbiz parang makatanong ka sa sarili mo kung ginawa kaya ‘yon pagsisigaw ni Celdran sa loob nang Mosque kung saan nagdadasal ang mga Muslim? 

    • I_kabod

       ano ba stand ng mga kapatid na muslim sa RHB?

      • carlos_premacio

        bakit? pag ikaw ay hindi sang-ayon sa stand ng isang grupo may karapatan ka ng manggulo sa isang lugar na may mga taong payapang nagdadasal? Try mo pasok ka sa Mosque at magsisigaw ka doon sa mga issue na salungat sa mga stand ng mga Muslim. I know you’re brave like Celdran.

      • I_kabod

        brad, tinanong ko lang naman kung ano ang stand nila. sinagot mo din ako ng tanong. tama ka naman at hindi maganda ang kinilos nya pero hindi naman muslim ang usapin dito.

      • carlos_premacio

        Hindi mo rin nakita yong gustong ipahiwatig ko dito. May limitasyon ang karapatan ng tao. hinding hindi pwedeng gamitin niya ‘yon sa loob ng simbahan o sa mga lugar kung saan ang ibang mga tao ay nagdadasal, naniniwalang ito ay isang sagradong lugar at ipinakita ang kanilang freedom of religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q3QGG5QHBLRMZTIYWUFURY6J2E Night

    susme Catholic Church….. even more respect lost….. nearly 0% respect now

    • LAD

       kampi ako sa RH pero wag babbuyin service ng kahit anong  relhiyon, kabastusan yun, irespeto ang paniniwala ng iba

    • henri_see

       Ows? Carlos, is that you?

  • superpilipinas

    ““This is a setback for free speech in the Philippines, which prides itself on being a democracy,” Human Rights Watch Asia researcher Carlos Conde said in a statement.”

    Above statement is a blemish to the credibility of Human Rights Watch Asia. Democracy does not allow irresponsible or arrogant exercise of free speech and does not allow disturbance of peace and order. It does not allow prevention of other people rights to religious freedom. This makes this Carlos Conde just as bad as the other Carlos.

    Worse is, it dillutes Human Rights International crucial efforts in Asia. What he just said undermines the good efforts of these organizations. They should fire or disown Conde.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allenponce1226 Allen Ponce

      AGREE !!!

  • wehd1nga

    hoy Carlos mag baon ka maraming condom pag pasok mo sa oblo, kailangan ng pwet mo maraming condom at petroleum jelly.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      He is 40 years old and still a virgin (single).  Kawawa naman . . . 

      • panhase

        This is an issue? Come to think of it, I know some priests who are 60, 70 years old and still single. And just think of the Pope, how old is he now?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    I have nothing against Celdran, he can talk anti Catholic sentiments anytime. That’s my opinion.But I guess you don’t just go inside a church in the middle of a church service and all of a sudden just shout your anti catholic sentiments with a placard to air your grievances infront of the altar in the middle of a service which inludes not just the Priests but civilian parishioners. We’re concerned about Celdran’s Freedom. But what about the freedom of the civilian participants of the service ? Freedom from getting harassed by a Celdran in the middle of their prayers ?

    Try doing this in a Protestant service, a Born Again Service or better yet a Muslim Service in a Muslic Mosque let’s see how they will not take this Celdran action sitting down. In a Muslim service ? He’s probably not just gonna see a jail sentence from the courts but could’ve been sentenced to death outright within that day by muslim fanatics.

    • julymorning

       ETONG CELDRAN KASI AY KSP. WITH DUE RESPECT SA MGA BADING, ETONG BADING NA ETO LANG ANG PINAKA WALANG RESPETO, PINAKA AROGANTE, AT PINA KA BOBA. FELING MATALINO KUNYARI. MAS MABUTI PA, MAG TAYO NALANG ETONG KASP NA ABNOY NA BADING NG BYUTI PARLOR

  • calipso_2100

    Let’s see how far your freedom of speech will bring you if you do something similar in a mosque in Muslim Mindanao.

  • tabingbakod

    There is such a law as “Offending the Religeous feelings”?!? What a stupid law?!?

    We still have laws that would imprison Rizal if he was alive today.

    How about the people’s right if their feelings are hurt by the Catholic Church?

    Mr Celdran only expressed what was true as evident in the RH bill passing.

    And please don’t compare this to what an Islamic country would do. It is like justifying an action by citing action of criminals.

    • done_druff

      Ok. If Celdran did his stunt inside a Mosque, he will also be guilty of such offense. 

      • julymorning

         PAG GINAWA NYO ETO NG BFF MONG ABNOY NA BADING SA MGA MOSQUE, PAREHO KAYONG KAKAPUNIN

    • jajabeltran

      Are you implying that all Muslims are criminals? Tsk..tsk…tsk…

    • henri_see

       Dura Lex Sed Lex. The law is hard, but it is the law.

      Stupidity is not an excuse. Gets?

    • julymorning

       ABNOY KANG BADING KA

  • barada69

    This is unbelievable…. sounds like a Taliban like jurisprudence .. poor basterdz  he’s going to be a collateral damage in this RH battle, this Catholic loving judge has to do something to pacify the clerics.

    • henri_see

       Baligtad. The Taliban and Celdran both hate Catholics. Gets?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

    Dyan mo makikita ang pagiging kalmado ng mga katoliko, mas nananaig parin ang turo ni Jesus na mahalin mo ang iyong kaaway at ang turo ng Diyos na Kanya ang paghihiganti.

    Gawin ni Celdran yan sa ADD o sa INC ni Manalo ewan ko lang kung hindi sya gulpi sarado. 

  • sailphi

    Freedom of speech is at issue here, but so is the concept of separation of Church and state, and equal ity under the law.I can hold a public function, invite everyone, but i  cannot then file criminal charges against someone who crashes my party, because I invited everyone.  The most I can do is escort someone off my property. 
    The same is true if I am a corporation, and I hold an event in a stadium.
    But not so, the Church.  The richest corporation. The corporation that has managed to be exempt from taxes.
    The masters of the inquisition.
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

      FREEDOM does’nt give us the right to just barge in every establishment disrupt the ongoing ceremonies of a group of people by shouting infront of the stage of any group gathering, not just Catholics. Otherwise we violate the FREEDOM of the participants of that said group then. This is almost similar to Communists harassing Christian services in a communist country.

      • panhase

        But some of the Catholic clergy did just that when they felt offended by an exhibition in the CCP.

    • henri_see

       But this time, my friend, the gate-crasher was unruly, shouting during what was supposed the to be the most solemn part of the party.
      Imagine the gate crasher calling your wife Pu*a, magnanakaw, cursing you during your party.

      Plus, there’s just this one little inconsequential thing called the “Penal Code.” Get it?

    • julymorning

       ABNOY KANG BADING KA

  • done_druff

    Sa lahat ng mga kumakampi kay baklita este Carlita Celdran…

    Ito ang binayoleyt nya: Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code

    Sabi nga kahit ano pang religious service yan, hindi mo pwedeng gawin yan!

    Sige, kayong mga supporters nya. Gawin nyo nga yan sa loob ng Mosque at tingnan ko lang!

    • LAD

       siempre kung gagawin nya sa mosque,masisisyahan sya ng husto kasi patutuwarin sya  eh di type  he he he

      • done_druff

        hahahahaha!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    It’s one thing to express your criticisms toward a religious group, it’s another thing to just barge a religious group’s supposed holy services, in the middle of their religious’ ceremonies.

    FREEDOM does’nt give us the right to just barge in every establishment disrupt the ongoing ceremonies of a group of people by shouting infront of the stage of any group gathering, not just Catholics. Otherwise we violate the FREEDOM of the participants of that said group then. This is almost similar to Communists harassing Christian services in a communist country. 

    DO your criticisms outside the church but not inside the church, Celdran.

  • done_druff

    How can it be an issue when he violated a religious service protected under the revised Penal Code? 

    And your example is off. He was not invited. He barged into the service and disrupted it. In your example, you can not file a complain in court for a public function that was disrupted by a person because there is NO law that is being violated! Gets?! 

  • done_druff

    How can it be an issue when he violated a religious service protected under the revised Penal Code? 
    And your example is off. He was not invited. He barged into the service and disrupted it. In your example, you can not file a complain in court for a public function that was disrupted by a person because there is NO law that is being violated! Gets?! 

    • panhase

      I beg to disagree, he was invited. In case you forgot, everybody is invited into Church, not only those whom you like to be there. And when he is there with you, then he is your neighbor, like the neighbor you should love as yourself as Jesus told you to.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z62MYMIVKUE25GB575LYFFHJLU dennis

    Try doing that in a mosque.

    • henri_see

       Kahit na di na mosque. INC na lang.

  • done_druff

    Dapat 20 years in prison yan ng magtanda!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    ang haba daw ng buhok ni carlota celdran, LOL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    I guess the CA or the SC will promptly overturn this ruling of the MeTC. It’s no wonder since many judges from the lower courts are for sale or could be influenced easily, especially by the RC church.  

    • done_druff

      Good luck!

      Read this and understand and reply here what is meant by this law:

      Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

        Agree..And this applies not just to Catholics of course, but the Protestants, the Muslims, the Born Again, the Atheists, the Satanists etc etc. Freedom of all people should be protected and not just the supposed “freedom” of one Celdran to create havoc inside any establishment he wants to barge into

      • done_druff

        That is my point. The problem with the situation is the Catholic Church who complained and when the verdict went against their way, they cried foul!

        Mag duwag mga yan!

    • henri_see

       Ows, talaga?

  • http://www.facebook.com/andre.fuego.9 Andre Fuego

     Well ladies and gentlemen. It seem that we have a lot of homophobic people in the audience tonight. Let’s give the a warm welcome and a big round of applause.

  • done_druff

    Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

  • AlexanderAmproz

    What a shameful Feudal Clergy attitude, Damaso spirit is more alive than ever.

    Wish for more Carlos Celdran to save Philippines dignity.

    • done_druff

      Pssstttt… Baket ikaw ayaw mong maging Carlos Celdran ang nagwi-wish ka pa? Ikaw na lang… Gawin mo ulit iyong ginawa ni Celdran at dun mo gawin sa Mosque! 

      Gawa ka pala placard at sulat mo “Berdugo!”….. dun ka sa gitna ng mosque ha. Sige tingnan natin!

      • henri_see

         Ha ha!
        Good one!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      there are plenty of the likes of carlos celdran and they are a disgrace to the philippines.

    • henri_see

       You always make this look like it was just the clergy. What about the private citizens there praying or attending mass? They, too, were offended by Celdran’s rude behavior.

      What if I rudely interrupt Celdran during one of his tours? Baka hinampas pa ko ng payong nyan.

      • $5699914

         Kukurutin ka LOL!

      • AlexanderAmproz

        If you interrupt a Celdran tour wearing a Damaso cloth, everybody will enjoy to be remembered how awful is the Philippines Clergy History.

        Unbelievable how far the Pinoys are brainwashed by an unscrupulous Clergy,
        as far as becoming the World most childish religiously Gullible.

      • henri_see

        Typical hater post.
        It’s OK for Celdran to be rude.
        But not for anyone against celdran.
        Catholics are gullible and brainwashed.
        But haters are not.

        Idiots.

    • julymorning

       WISH NA DUMAMI ANG MGA KATULAD NYONG MGA KSP AT WALANG MGA UTAK NA BADING. KAYAONG MGA KABARO NI ABNOY CELDRAN AY PARANG MGA INGROWN SA KUKO

  • http://www.facebook.com/mackydubz Mark Rainier Cruz

    freedom to do something has its own limitations.

  • bogli_anakdami

    bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha…

    flips talaga, sampakan ng katangahan… puro mga gung gongs…

    mga magnanakaws sa senado eh libre, mga mamamatay-tao eh nandito pa rin sa pwesto, pero ang ‘sang advocate of a principle is imprisoned…

    bwi hi hi hi hi pwi!

    • done_druff

      ano ba dun ang advocate of Principle? Pwede bang paki-explain bakit hindi sya pwedeng ikulong for violating a law?

      Pwede ka bang kumuha ng pagkain ng iba at sabihin mo dahil nagugutom ka?!

      • bogli_anakdami

        gamitin ang utak…

        that’s padre dumbasso’s law… “offending the religious feelings daw..”

        kayong mga flips, puro katarantaduhan… ang mga magnanakaws, mamatay-tao at pedopriest eh nagkalat sa flipland, pero tuloy ang goodtime ng mga walanghiya…

      • done_druff

        ginagamit ko ang utak ko… hindi pa ba simple ang pagkaka-explain ko? idyit!

        sabihin mo na lahat ang gusto mong sabihin…. idemanda mo na mga paring nagkakasala at dapat silang sumagot sa taong bayan at sa dyos! 

        Pero hindi mo pa rin maalis na si Carlita eh nagkasala! 

      • henri_see

         wag mo yan patulan.
        sabog yan.

  • Haring Buraot

    Yan talaga di ko maintindihan…Kapag ang mga pari (CBCP) nakikialam sa mga isyu ng gobyerno kesyo nagpapatawag pa ng rally kasi tungkulin din daw nila yun bilang Pilipino at bilang tagapagbantay ng moralidad ng mga tao (ewan ko kung sino nag-appoint sa kanila…)…Pero pag ang isang Pilipino (assuming na Katoliko din sya)  ang nagpunta sa simbahan para sabihin ang kanyang saloobin e pambabastos un?E pano ung pambabastos nila sa gobyerno na binigyan ng kapangyarihan ng nakararami (sa pamamagitan ng boto) para gampanan tungkulin nila?Di ba dual standard to?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

      Halimbawang si Celdran naman ang nagsasalita sa isang entablado, sa loob ng isang function room sa Manila Hotel halimbawa, kasama ang mga nakikinig na mga kapwa PRO RH advocates sa audience, tapos bigla biglang may Paring may dala ng placard at papasok sa gitna ng stage kung san nagsasalita si Celdran at magsisisigaw na. Makasalanan ka CELDRAN !! etc etc…habang ginugulo ng pari ang gathering na iyon sa pamamagitan ng Freedom of expression to express his anti RH sentiments. Sa palagay niyo may karapatan bang magreklamo si Celdran at ang mga taong ginulo ng Paring iyon ? Di ba kung sakali man eh kabastusan iyong gagawin if ever ng isang Pari na iyon?

      SORRY PERO GANITO KASI ANG GINAWA NI CELDRAN EH, KAYA SIYA NADEMANDA.

      • Haring Buraot

        Ang pagkakaiba dito pag ung pari ang gumawa nyan kay Celdran e meron silang simbahan na matatakbuhan para magtago…sasabihin lang nilang tungkulin nila bilang pari ung ginawa nila e tapos na agad ang usapan. walang ganung option si Carlos.kaya nga para walang dual standard e dapat di nakikialam ang simbahan sa isyung politikal.

    • done_druff

      psssttt… isa ka ring bopols. wag kang lumayo sa topic. kung sa tingin mo tama ginawa ni celdran, punta ka sa manila cathedral at magstunt ka ng “Damaso” dun. Or punta sa sa quiapo sa Mosque at dun kay rin magstunt with placard saying “Berdugo” while in the middle of prayer ng mga muslim. 

      Panay kayo dakdak dahil ang simbahan tolerant. Dun kayo sa INC or Born-again manggulo para masamahan nyo idol nyo!

      • Haring Buraot

        ginawa ni celdran yun dahil sa pakikialam ng simbahan sa isyu ng RH bill nun…narinig mo ba opinyon ng INC o born-again o mga muslim?hindi di ba?alam mo kung bakit?kasi minority lang (daw) sila kung ikukumpara sa mga myembro ng simbahan.kaya malakas ang loob ng cbcp na makialam.mali lang nila akala nila suportado pa din sila ng mga myembro nila.

    • done_druff

      Haring Buraot,
      Sabihin mo nga rito kung ano ang naviolate na law ng mga pari? Kung meron dapat silang managot!Katulad ni Carlita, dapat silang managot!

      • Haring Buraot

         Di ba nung bill pa lang ang RH nagpatawag ng civil disobedience mga pari para takutin ang mga politiko at para ipakita ang kanilang impluwensya sa masa? sedition ito.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    The Catholic Church is really sick, mistaken suing Carlos Celdran instead of the very serious criminal children’s molestations offenses flourishing in their own rank.

    Envelops

    Pajeros

    Ivory smuggling

    aren’t enough to pay attention and de busy by cleaning their own ranks ?

    Philippines Clergy is becoming a hugh fermented can worms on the ways to blast !

    • done_druff

      Hala! Bickering and out of topic ka pre!!!!

      Those priests who violated the law must answer. The same with your idol Carlita. He este She must face the charges due to his idiotic stunt!

    • henri_see

       typical idiotic anti-catholic bigot reply.

      wala naman kayong kinakasuhang pedophile o corrupt priests. purok ngak ngak lang.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        A typical sacristy surut answer.

      • henri_see

        Typical fa88ot standard answer.

    • where_I_stand

      Ang talino mo talaga tol… napakatalino mo.
      Sayang lang hindi mo ginagamit.

      Who said that rapist-priests are not penalized?
      If you know one, we will file a case against this erring priest.
      There’s no legal immunity against a rapist-priest.

      “Pajero”
      Saan mo napulot ang tsismis na ito? Meron ba pajero? Saan?
      Kung ang tinutukoy mo ay iyong mga SUVs, then file a case against those bishops if you think they have violated the law.

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    Sabihin na nating mala-pagano ang mga Katoliko, sumasamba sa rebulto.
    Anti-RH Bill, nakikialam sa pulitika at gobyerno. Maraming paedophile at baklang mga pari, at sexual abusers.Sila rin ang nagpapatay kay Rizal. Pero hindi tama ang ginawa ni Celdran, suicidal iyun.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZLR76JEWFTBW54T2JIOPPASXA4 The Franchise

    Halimbawang si Celdran naman ang nagsasalita sa isang entablado, sa loob ng isang function room sa Manila Hotel halimbawa, kasama ang mga nakikinig na mga kapwa PRO RH advocates sa audience, tapos bigla biglang may Paring may dala ng placard at papasok sa gitna ng stage kung san nagsasalita si Celdran at magsisisigaw na. Makasalanan ka CELDRAN !! etc etc…habang ginugulo ng pari ang gathering na iyon sa pamamagitan ng Freedom of expression to express his anti RH sentiments. Sa palagay niyo may karapatan bang magreklamo si Celdran at ang mga taong ginulo ng Paring iyon ? Di ba kung sakali man eh kabastusan iyong gagawin if ever ng isang Pari na iyon?
    SORRY PERO GANITO KASI ANG GINAWA NI CELDRAN EH, KAYA SIYA NADEMANDA

    • Nino Cristobal Luciano

      yes, may right si mr .celdran to file a case but given the situation you gave the most mr.celdran can charge the priest is alarm & scandal.  

  • bogli_anakdami

    hoy mga flip gung gongs, alin ang mas matindi??

    celdran offending the church??

              or

    pedopriest (church) iyuting the flip gung gongs?

    • done_druff

      yes there are pedopriest.

      but does that make Celdran innocent of the charges?

      Dali I’m waiting for your answer!

      • bogli_anakdami

        flips condone pedopriest… padre dumbasso rules flipland…

        offending a cult?…. ay sus ginoo…

        puro kayo mga gung gongs…

    • henri_see

       how dumb can you get?
      yan lang ang sinulat mo, panay “Edited by the author pa?”

      • bogli_anakdami

        yung “or” eh inilagay ko sa gitna… para maintindihan mo, gung gong…

  • Presque Célèbre

     “And Shepherds we shall be

    For thee, my Lord, for thee.

    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand

    Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands.

    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee

    And teeming with souls shall it ever be.

    In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti.”

    • bogli_anakdami

      over five centuries of preying ooooopsie praying, flipland is a garbage dump…

      go figure…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    iF I given a choice, I still stand beside Mr. Beltran crusade against this DAMASO & ESKRIBAS of the Philippines. Im a baptized under roman catholic church but I prefer step a side & be calm when I knew the abuses of priest to minor children and putting Pilipinos under ignorance. All Pilipinos with stand of Mr. Beltran crusade must visit & rallied in front of preson cell. Dr. Jose Rizal put also into prison by Spanish priars for condeming against abuses in writting. Ang mga DAMASO at ESKRIBAS ng Pilipinas dapat batuhin ng bulok na itlog….sila ang salot sa ating lipunan tungkol sa moralidad….. tinatakpan at itinatago lang nila. Ang baho nila ay kasing baho ng bulok na itlog na hindi umaalingasaw.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      Mang EREC, wala pong Mr. BELTRAN na pinag-uusapan dito.  Baka sa ibang dyaryo nyo po nabasa ang tungkol kay Mr. BELTRAN . Sorry po, Sir.

    • done_druff

      Pre… Sino si Beltran? Iyon tatay ni Cito patay na! Ano ka ba at saang kweba ka galing?!

      So ikaw manguna at magprotest ka dun sa tapat ni cell ni Beltran! (nyak, pati ako nahahawa sayo! Celdran dapat!). Magprotest ka na rin dun sa gitna ng Manila Cathedral. Gawin mo habang may misa! Tama pala sayo ginawa nya eh. Sige na kailangan nya ng simpatya. Kaya mo yan!Pero di ko mapapromise sayo na hindi makakasuhan ah…

    • henri_see

       Namayapa na po si Mr Beltran. Nung 1990s pa kung di ako nagkakamali.

    • carreo

      Nobody is above the law dude,, He broke it and so he deserve to suffer the consequence..pwede naman nyang i-express yung kanyang advocacy sa labas eh, bakit nya kailangang pumunta sa loob ng simbahan na maraming nagsasagawa ng kanilang taimtim na panalangin..

    • where_I_stand

      Tanggalin mo na ang IF tol, puntahan mo kung saan kakakulong si Celdran at samahan mo siya. That’s walking the talk. Btw, bring you own food. Si Celdran lang libre doon.

  • julymorning

     ABNOY KANG BADING KA, PAREHA KAYO NI KSP CELDRAN NA MGA AROGANTENG TONGEKS

  • julymorning

     HAHAY, ABNOY KA DIN, KATULAD NG IDOL MONG AROGANTENG BADING. KUNYARI MAY ADVOCACY PERO GUSTO LANG MAG PAPANSIN AT MAG PA CUTE.

  • Guest

    Carlos Celdran only has the Catholic Church’s waning influence to thank for the relatively light sentence that he got.  If Padre Damaso really had his way he would have been sentenced to death by firing squad at Paco Park.

    • henri_see

       Thank God for that!
      But you’d be insulting Rizal if you equate him with Rizal. He dresses like Rizal, but he’s no Rizal, no?

      • Guest

        Oh no, not at all.  But he seems to have Rizal’s talent for peeving the friars and eventually exposing their darker side

      • MarcyPulilan

        Agree… we thank Rizal for knowing how to peeve off the friars, you do not need to know several languages, profession, and other talents to do this. You just have to have the courage to speak up. It was the Catholics who preach that one voice up even if that person is the minority or all alone. Speaking up while in the minority is a catholic virtue.

      • where_I_stand

        Pinipilit maging Rizal si Celdran. lols

      • henri_see

        Being a maleducated rude imbecile is a talent?
        Rizal is turning in his grave.

      • Guest

        Depends on whose side you’re on.  But If you happen to be on the other side, I  hope you’re mature enough to respect other people’s opinion, like the friars who inculcated in you your Great Wisdom.  Rizal is not turning in his grave right now I can assure you, he had a shattered spine courtesy of your beloved friars, and because of this incident, I hate to break the news, Rizal is dead.

      • henri_see

        Rizal is dead?????
        Who would have thought. He was SO HEALTHY 117 years ago.

      • Guest

        Exactly. He was a healthy, promising gentleman who loved his country so much. Probably the most intelligent filipino ever, he had so much ahead of him. Until his life was snuffed out by some bandit group because he was just so darn opinionated. I heard from the grapevine this particular group was also responsible for the death of thousands of innocent lives, including celebrities and well known personalities over the years.  They’re still very much around, but due to their waning influence, they just had to console themselves with playing around with little boys’ peepees. So perverted di ba?

      • henri_see

        little boys’ peepees
        including yours?

      • Guest

        wanna see it ;)

      • henri_see

        I heard that emphasis is on the “little.”

      • Guest

        which i know is exactly how you and your ilk prefers it :)

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      Shot? 

      If the RCC had their way, they’d have him burned at the stake. 

      But they do have that pro-environmentalism shindig going on, so that’s a no-go. 

  • MarcyPulilan

    Although I am anti-catholic, I still believe in respect for others. Mr. Celdran offended a group. It is like going to the house of a family and you start cursing the family. It should have been done in the street in front of the church not inside the church. Kayo ba gusto ninyo ba na si Celdran papasok sa bahay ninyo tapos tuturuan kayo papaano ninyo patatakbuhin ang household ninyo. Although I believe in Mr. Celdran’s crusade and impressed with his passion, respect among others should still prevail especially if one is in their house. I think the law on where he was convicted just wants to ensure that we can practice our faith peacefully.

    • asdafaa qwesda

      “Celdran papasok sa bahay ninyo tapos tuturuan kayo papaano ninyo patatakbuhin ang household ninyo.”

      Celdran was fighting against the Catholic Church telling others how to “patakbuhin ang household ninyo”.

      People can have a variety of beliefs. What is offensive to one can be benign to another if not truth. I’m offended when the Catholic Church painted all Pro-RH people as pro-abortion or claiming that condoms do not help prevent AIDS because it contain microscopic holes big enough for the virus to pass through. They are offensive to intelligent thinking Filipinos.

      The Catholic Church’s claim on the absolute truth is just that; a mere claim. The case for them having God’s revealed truth is no stronger than Muslim’s, Zoroastrian’s, or any other religion’s claim to it. They should give people the space to explore and decide for themselves what is true rather than try to force people into a barbaric dark age where ignorance and blind obedience is considered “civilized”.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RDDM5UQ45HLPPKM66KYEBCMTCE dave

        Yes, we may fight against other beliefs and standards, however, there is a law violated by Celdran. You may raised up your voice against Catholics, but not inside their church. Just like the priest when they protest against RH, they went to the streets. Respect begets respect. I think that law protects the separation between the State and the Church. And I also appeal to lawmakers that they include also “showbiz” as separate entities! So that State, Church and Showbiz are separated out of respect.

      • asdafaa qwesda

         Catholic Priests were being deceptive and lying to the face of Filipinos when they claimed contraceptives equated to abortion and that condoms did not reduce HIV infections.

        Just for that they deserve no respect.

      • MarcyPulilan

        I also believe that Catholic priests were deceptive since they came to the Philippines with Magellan, but the point is, even though how much we disagree with anyones belief, we cannot go into their house and start venting our disgust inside their house. At least sa labas ng simbahan sana ginawa ni Celdran at baka sinamahan ko pa siya. Respect is still expected among us even if we have different beliefs.

      • panhase

        Celdran is a Catholic, so it is his house also. The Church is not owned by the clergy.

      • MarcyPulilan

        Yes that is true but like a memeber of a household you do not curse the ones running the house. Again boils down to respect.

      • panhase

         Respect?
        What did Jesus teach? We should love our neighbor like we love ourselves.  And the neighbor is the one who is there standing in front of us or beside us or in whatever place near to us, not the one we choose to be our neighbor. We should not try to remember the teachings of Jesus only when it suits us.

      • panhase

         It is the church of Celdran also, he is a Catholic. The Church does not belong to the clergy, the people are the Church.
        And when Celdran is there, then he is the neighbor of every other person there and he should be loved by the persons present as these person love themselves, like Jesus teaches us to do.
        And by the way, the clergy was protesting against the Rh-law from the pulpit.

  • panhase

    How good can a set of ideas be if it´s believers ensure that it is illegal to criticize them?
    Those who want to punish others for criticizing them clearly cannot, deep down, have much faith in the merits of their own ideas.

    • henri_see

       Yep,

      That’s why atheism thrives only in places where it is compulsory. Like the communist countries.

    • done_druff

      The set of ideas must be exercised in accordance with laws. Have you heard about libel?

      • panhase

        try to read again, but this time slowly. It might help.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        // Have you heard about libel?//

        The way our libel laws are written, I can have a critic jailed on the charge of malicious intent, rather than the factuality of their accusation. 

  • Julius_Caesar1

    God’s forgiveness is infinite. 
    The CBCP’s forgiveness is finite. 

    Whoever wrongs God is forgiven only if the person wants to through free will.
    Whoever wrongs the CBCP faces its wrath. 

    God is omnipotent.
    CBCP are just mere mortals hiding behind a holy veil.

    The devil fears the presence of God.
    Could it be that the devil is present in the very heart of CBCP itself?

    • done_druff

      But before God forgives you, you must confess to your wrongdoings and PROMISE not to do it again.

      Celdran refused to promise! Yabang! Baklita kasi!

      • Julius_Caesar1

        He did make an apology hence he was bailed out 2010. Well God forgave him but the Church didn’t.

    • henri_see

       Julius Caesar, of all people.
      Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and God what is God’s.

      That’s what Celdran is getting. The law of Caesar, a.k.a., the Revised Penal Code.

      • Julius_Caesar1

        ha ha ha very funny. Even Barabas was set free. LOL

      • henri_see

        Thanks for comparing Celdran to Barabas.

      • Julius_Caesar1

        The point is Celdran isn’t Barabas. Barabas was released. LOL

      • henri_see

        They’re both ugly.

      • Julius_Caesar1

        umm topic please.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

    Let’s build a monument of Carlos Celdran . . . infront of a mosque.

    • done_druff

      Don’t and it’s a waste of money. That’s idolatry to the muslim!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

        ok.

      • Julius_Caesar1

        Haven’t we wasted enough money on the CBCP? LOL

  • AlexanderAmproz

    When a Perseus hero will come to save the Philippines from this Clergy looking like a Gorgon Medusa ?

    • done_druff

      You can’t do it? Why? Chicken!

      • Julius_Caesar1

        Aww. So the whore of babylon arrives in the form of white robed bishops. LOL

      • AlexanderAmproz

        I am not half god like Perseus 

  • flip1sba

    Tama kasi ang dahilan sa pag protesta ni Celdran pero mali ang paaran!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OGNBATQP6PD7MV7P6GPSPW7PSQ Tommy

    Ang Transformation ng Priest into Christ ay nangyayari during holy Mass yan ang paniniwala naming mga katoliko.  

    Every Catholic house is God’s house, his home on earth, and God’s Son Jesus Christ lives there in the Blessed Sacrament  bukod sa realidad na namamahay din sya sa ating katawan bilang templo Nya.  Like a friend, you can go and visit Him at Church anytime to talk to Him, pray to Him and participate in celebration of the Eucharist.  

    Pagpasok mo sa Simbahan, mag-antada ka ng pakrus, tahimik na paglakad at magdasal, mag-reflect at magtika ng mga kasalanan.   Yan ang wastong pagpasok sa tahanan ng Diyos.

    Kahit saang bulwagan, maging sa Moske ng mga kapatid nating muslim, sambahan ng mga INC,  at iba’t ibang bahay panalingan ng mga sekta ay binibigyang respeto.   Subalit kung ang isang tao ay papasok sa bahay panalingan na magsisigaw doon at may dalang placard at gagawin ang kanyang kabaklaan at kabadingan at aabalahin at babastusin ang ginaganap na seremonya ito ay malinaw talaga na blasphemy pambabastos sa ating iisang Diyos.

    Gawin mo ang ganitong gawain sa bansang Saudi Arabia o ibang bansang muslim siguradong may kalalagyan ka kinabukasan ang ulo mo nasa basket na!.

    Bastos na Celdran ito Barabas walang kinalakihang maayos walang breeding parang lumaki sa kalye.   Pati sa tahanan ng Diyos dinadala kabadingan at kabaklaan nya.

    Kung gusto mong maging pulitiko gumawa ka muna ng pangalan, magtatag ka ng feeding center, mga pabahay sa mahihirap at mag-educate ng mga mangmang. 

    • ThudOthwacker

      “Ang Transformation ng Priest into Christ ay nangyayari during holy Mass yan ang paniniwala naming mga katoliko. ” ~Tommy

      It is called transubstiation. It means the bread and wine used in the sacrament is changed into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus.

      Celdran is a Beelzebub stooge. His mission is to attack the disciples(people) who keeps the commandments of GOD and the testimony of Jesus.

      Revelation 12:17

      Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    HAPI BERTDEY PUEBLOS..

    HAPI TALAGA LAHAT NG MGA PARI AT OBISPO…

    NAGPASASA  SA PANAHON NG KANILANG  PANGINOON …

    ANG PANGALAN AY PANDAKEKOK…

    BUSOG NA BUSOG SA KASIBAAN…

    BUNSOL NA BUNSOL SA KATAKAWAN…

    BASTAT MAY PAKINABANG ..

    AMIN KANG LULUHURAN…

    MULI..HAPI BERTDEY PUEBLOS.. 

    PARI AT OBISPO  ..DIMONYO ANG INYONG DIYOS,,

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3AUOVX5SXH4QSBROS76XUY3LE pizza ria

      HAPPY BERDEY DIN SA IYO, SATANAS!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

        uy,,anak ka ng paring bading ano…
        hwag kang mangamba..kase nga anak ka ng pari..kaya banal ka…
        o aangal ka pa ? ginawa na kitang banal…

    • bogli_anakdami

      flips are pekeng katolikos… kunyari mga relihiyoso…. pwe!

      flipland, las islas de los ladrones grandes y garapales…. bwi hi hi h hi pwi!

  • bogli_anakdami

    flipland has nothing to show under five centuries of stupidity… oooopsie my bad..

    flipland has: 1) sinulog, 2) santo ninyo 3) itim na nasareno, 4) santa ate glo, santa ate cory, santo ninoy, santo phukquiao… 5) most devout katolickdics in asya….

    bwa ha ha ha ha ha

    • done_druff

      out of order ka. ang topic si celdran! 

      • bogli_anakdami

        celdran is a nightmare, a by product of flipland (your) stupidity…

      • done_druff

        nope! if he is byproduct of his faith, he will not act like that!

        dapat excommunicate yan eh! 

      • bogli_anakdami

        eh di excommunicate sya…  eh di sya papasukin ni san pedro..

        wawa naman… di makikita si santa ate cory at santo ninoy

      • done_druff

        yun naman pala agree ka sa akin. Tapos na usapan natin!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Pedo?

  • asdafaa qwesda

    “Gawin mo ang ganitong gawain sa bansang Saudi Arabia o ibang bansang
    muslim siguradong may kalalagyan ka kinabukasan ang ulo mo nasa basket
    na!.”

    During the dark ages the Catholic Church would do exactly that. It was only during the enlightenment that this was stopped. It was only when people started and were allowed to question the authority of the Church that such abuses were stopped. And it is these values that Celdran fought for and the Catholic Church is trying to once again destroy.

    • done_druff

      Really?! What happened to defiance of Martin Luther? True, his protest paved the way for enlightenment but the act including the tearing of the Papal Bull was the last straw on the  camel’s back! He was excommunicated!

      Questioning in proper decorum is acceptable. Bastardizing a religious gathering, be it Catholic or Non-catholic, is a criminal offense!

      And read the law. It does not favor any religion!

      • Julius_Caesar1

        Martin Luther you say? Christianity was reborn. 

      • done_druff

        Nope, Christianity was divided! Look around you, everyday there is a new sect under this religion because of his teaching of private interpretation!

      • Julius_Caesar1

        But they still believe in God. Well isn’t the Catholic church divided as well. Jesuits vs CBCP. LOL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damaso ikaw ba yan?

      • asdafaa qwesda

        “Really?! What happened to defiance of Martin Luther? True, his protest
        paved the way for enlightenment but the act including the tearing of the
        Papal Bull was the last straw on the  camel’s back! He was
        excommunicated!”

        How is this relevant to what I said?

        “Questioning in proper decorum is acceptable. Bastardizing a religious
        gathering, be it Catholic or Non-catholic, is a criminal offense!”

        What is considered proper or bastardization is a matter of perspective. Let people decide for themselves if Celdran went too far. If he did people will ignore and demonize him for it. As it stands plenty of people decided for themselves to support him and believe in his right to protest the way he did.

        The freedom to express views, and thereby provide people with varying perspectives, mitigate the risk of having an organization impose lies on us that blind from what is true. This freedom is so much more precious than the mere “offense” of a group.

        “And read the law. It does not favor any religion!”

        The problem is that religious belief is somehow special and distinct from other beliefs. It should be no more special than beliefs in Science or the Easter Bunny.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Utak langaw ka pala Padre Damuho!

    • bogli_anakdami

      ‘sang tambaks milyon ang flip ofw/slaves “employed” by the saudis/mideast arabos…

      can you say the same with padre dumbasso in flipland?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    Ang daming nagpopost ng comments dito na mga paring bading ,pedophile at silahista…

    • done_druff

      Saan ka sinabi mo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Pedo?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RDDM5UQ45HLPPKM66KYEBCMTCE dave

    eh, aanga anga kasi, magsisisigaw ba naman sa loob ng simbahan kundi siya sira.

    • done_druff

      Actually bobo! Hindi na-coach ng mga kaibigan nya! Akala nila mabait ang simbahan at papatawarin sya!

      Sabi ng mga preso: Welcome Kosa! Tuwad!!!!

      • Babiker_Ahmed

        O ang mga pare ang gustong tumuwad?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Pedo?

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    Never offend your masters, offer them SUVs.
     

    • done_druff

      And what will happen to Celdran’s stunt? 

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

         Did I hurt your feelings too? Guess what….You can sue!!!

      • done_druff

        No I will not sue. Waste of money!

        Again: And what will happen to Celdran’s stunt? 

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        If he offended god, let god deal with him.
        If he offended men, let men deal with him.

        Now my turn. What do you think should have happened during the CBCP SUV scandal? As men-of-god they offended god, using “his” name as an excuse, i.e. to get an SUV as a birthday gift, and as a no-tax institution they offended the hard working and tax paying Filipinos.

        Your response?

      • done_druff

        Out of order ka! The topic in this thread is about Celdran’s act! 
        “If he offended god, let god deal with him.If he offended men, let men deal with him.”He is dealing with men’s law! Is this fair to you?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7E6ZIITFSM7NPT7PPNTHADMPWI dadaboi

        Lol at Mister I-cannot-defend-my-priests-let’s-just-talk-about-Celdraan-because-obviously-that’s-a-graver-sin-than-bribery-and-child-molestation.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        LOL. Why so furious? All i did was put things in to perspective, from cbcp’s perspective. Still trying to save the image of your dying organization?

        Again: What do you think should have happened during the CBCP SUV scandal? As men-of-god they offended god, using “his” name as an excuse, i.e. to get an SUV as a birthday gift, and as a no-tax institution they offended the hard working and tax paying Filipinos.

        Your response? No response? You’re done, druff.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Pedo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre nakailang madre kanaba?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Damuhokatalaga!

  • asdafaa qwesda

    I hope his case goes to the supreme court and have this part of the penal code declared unconstitutional.

    • done_druff

      Alam mo you have to question the law and make a case out of it as the start of the process to make it unconstitutional.

      Dali question mo na! Sino ba gusto mong maging respondent dyan?Dali kala mo madali lang ah! Good luck!

      • asdafaa qwesda

        Are you suggesting that I just do nothing because it is difficult? Why don’t you argue based on normative values?

        I suggest you read Spirit of the Law. Laws don’t just come out of thin air. They are somehow based on something people believe to be universally true and moral.

        You speak like a true unthinking sheeple (google it) and tool of the Catholic Church.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damuho ha?

  • Hey_Dudes

    Well church leaders succeeded in getting a critic jailed but why can’t the government do the same among their priest caught abusing children?  Instead of jailing priest pedophiles – they get transferred somewhere?  These hypocrites church hierarchy cry ‘injustice’ when they are professionals in protecting their own kind?

    • done_druff

      Isa ka pa!

      Put your criticism is the right place and method!

      Can you criticize Mr. Abnoy Aquino by writing a placard and says he is GAY while handholding it infront while he is delivering a speech?!
      Come on! You can answer this! Stop the bashing! Let’s see where your mouth is!

      • Babiker_Ahmed

        My mouth is in your dick…. yun ang sasabihin sa yo nga mga paring pedophile!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damaso gusto mo naman ikaw lang ang pakinggan.

  • Ari Putan

    to all fanatics catholics.. pls read The Great Betrayal written by bishop chinquy

    • done_druff

      Church basher!!!! 

      What can you say about Celdran’s act? Acceptable?

      Advise her to do it in other religion! Dali!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

        he acted in a wrong stage. over the fence sya d2 :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damaso ikaw pa rin?

  • http://twitter.com/JoelDurgi1 Joel Marantan

    Celdran made his point and he made it clearly, knowing the consequences he will have to pay. Di na nya matiis and he vented it the way he knew how and you know what … mag-isa!!! It might have moved things to the right and South as well. Maaring mali sa marami pero para sa akin matapang si Celdran lumantad at sinabi ang gusto kahit mademanda di gaya ko, nagtatago sa post name dahil takot, ahh tayong lahat pala. Sino kaya ang bading??? Si Celdran kaa???

    • done_druff

      Pre correction. Hindi mali sa marami, mali sya according sa batas!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre ha?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

    Bakit kayang walang bansang Katoliko sa mundo na marangya? Meron moderate lang ang pamumuhay ang mga tao. Dahil ba kaya sa pakikialam ng mga pari sa atin?

    • done_druff

      HIndi naman tayo Catholic country ah! Majority religion lang is Catholic!

      Uganda and other countries in South Africa. They not majority Catholics but how come they are poorer than us? Must not be the priest!

      Ala ka sa hulog pre!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

        Isipin maigi.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        _Padre Damnednaso ka talaga!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

      tanungin mo si Celdran bakit nya ginulo ang mga faithfuls sa simbahan. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

        The reason why Filipinos are bidding goodbye to the Catholic faith because of the attitude of many of th priests.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EU3BTUA7V42IUBQN2MDTTUHQCE Alberto

      do not make faith your reason to denigrate the filipino nation. attitude is the more likely cause.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

        Mali nga ng attitude ng mga pari!

  • Pogi=”No To Political Dynasty”

    Hoy Celdran! Kung baboy ka huwag mong idamay ang mga kababayan natin na sumasampalataya sa Diyos sa loob ng simbahan. Kung ayaw mong makinig sa mga leader ng simbahan di huwag kang mang himasok.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Thank’s to the Clergy showing once more their true smelly colors.

    Thousands of rapes, Children’s molestations, corrupt to the bones, Ivory smugglers, Churches Santos burglars, abuses culture, worst than termites, even not one jail days, 

    Politicians and Clergy sleeping together is smelling pour//igit

    • done_druff

      para kang sirang plaka…pwes kung ganon ka, ganon din ako…

      ala ka sa hulog! church basher/hater!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damnaaso ha?

      • where_I_stand

        Tingnan mo ang mga katulad ni Estong, wala kasi maisip na mga argumento…ayon dinadaan sa “Damaso…Damnaaso” lols

    • JK1000

      INC member or Born Again ? typical catholic basher.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Did you are a respectable sacristy “surut “

  • ThudOthwacker

    Two months to one year only for the lobbyist. That’s far too short.

    “This is a setback for free speech in the Philippines, which prides itself on being a democracy,” ~Carlos Conde

    LOL Another pretentious intellect. 

    And to all faux geniuses and defender of Celdran. Read below.

    UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

    Article 19
    1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

    Article 20
    1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

    • done_druff

      Yun naman pala eh!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damnaaso?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

        Malinaw naman talaga na may pagkakamali si Celdran. Di pwedeng magrally o protesta sa loob ng simbahan.

    • donsupremo

      thank you ….

      this captures the real sentiments on the right to free expression… you do not violate the sensibilities of people in promoting your personal sentiments or your personal cause:

      3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.Article 201. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

    • asdafaa qwesda

      “It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions… (a) For respect of the rights or eeputations of others;(b) For the protection of… morals.”

      When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him. When a group abuses the law to curtail freedom of expression because it feels “disrespected” people may be denied access to the truth. I have zero faith that the powers that be would provide people access to the truth.

      The actions of the Church and their sheeple speak loudly as to their faith in people’s ability to do what is right (how dare we think independently of the Church?!).

      The world isn’t perfect and can’t be, but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other.

      • ThudOthwacker

        Church position are based on Christ teaching. In case you don’t know. 

        Clearly, the greater majority of pro-RH miscreants have iota of how deeply and grounded the church opposition.

        Excessive freedom of expression will lead to disorder and fragmented society. That’s why we have a constitution to observed to prevent anarchy for taking over. 

      • asdafaa qwesda

        “Church position are based on Christ teaching. In case you don’t know.”

        That’s a matter of opinion. Other religions have a case just as strong as you that their teachings are the truth and yours is sacrilegious.

        When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him. When a group abuses the law to curtail freedom of expression because it feels “disrespected” people may be denied access to the truth. I have zero faith that the powers that be would provide people access to the truth.

        The actions of the Church and their sheeple speak loudly as to their faith in people’s ability to do what is right (how dare we think independently of the Church?!).

        “Excessive freedom of expression will lead to disorder and fragmented society.”

        The world isn’t perfect and can’t be, but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other. The disorder you speak of does not follow unless you assume people are incapable of discerning right from wrong by themselves (though that would not be surprising if you’re Catholic). In which case human beings do not possess the faculties needed to practice freedom responsibly and freedom should therefore be taken from them unless allowed by an all-knowing guiding organization (again not surprising if you’re Catholic).

        “That’s why we have a constitution to observed to prevent anarchy for taking over.”

        It is freedom of expression and the prerequisite tolerance of other people’s views that lead to a stable society with members that have many differing views. The only other form of stability is to quash all other views deemed inappropriate by the authorities (insert any dictatorial society here).

      • ThudOthwacker

        “That’s a matter of opinion. Other religions have a case just as strong as you that their teachings are the truth and yours is sacrilegious.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        You don’t see any Christian or Jewish enter a mosque and denounce Muhammad’s doctrine.  

        “When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        The demonic deed occurred in the church and in the middle of a religious celebration. People attending mass seeking spiritual sustenance. Then Beelzebub stooge in a fancy outfit holding a card entered calling out a fictional name. Disrupting churchgoers deep meditation. 

        How can you ignore that?  

        “The world isn’t perfect and can’t be,” ~asdafaa qwesda

        The world was perfectly clear before. Everything was in black or white until the liberals spouted out and muddled everything  by philosophically inventing the gray areas.

        “but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other. The disorder you speak of does not follow unless you assume people are incapable of discerning right from wrong by themselves (though that would not be surprising if you’re Catholic). In which case human beings do not possess the faculties needed to practice freedom responsibly and freedom should therefore be taken from them unless allowed by an all-knowing guiding organization (again not surprising if you’re Catholic).” ~asdafaa qwesda

        You put 100 peoples in a room. Speaking differing opinions all at the same time. What you get are noises and chaos a.k.a. anarchy. 

        Just look at the Christian(Protestants), Jewish and Muslim fundamentalists. They have different doctrinal interpretation  among themselves. 

        Is this the kind of “freedom of expression” you are espousing? 

        Confusion!

        “It is freedom of expression and the prerequisite tolerance of other people’s views that lead to a stable society with members that have many differing views. The only other form of stability is to quash all other views deemed inappropriate by the authorities (insert any dictatorial society here).” ~asdafaa qwesda

        Please read UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Article 19 & 20). How can the 178 nations signatories(including China) be “wrong” and you are right?

      • asdafaa qwesda

        “You don’t see any Christian or Jewish enter a mosque and denounce Muhammad’s doctrine.”

        The Crusades. And the criminal silliness that was the crusades was and is stopped by the Enlightenment. When people were allowed to question and be critical of the Catholic Church. The Church did not just magically start behaving by itself, IT WAS FORCED TO BY ENLIGHTENED FREE THINKERS. And it is this tradition that it seeks to attack

        “You put 100 peoples in a room. Speaking differing opinions all at the same time. What you get are noises and chaos a.k.a. anarchy.”

        Just because they are speaking differing views doesn’t mean everyone is going to fight each other. You confuse freedom of expression with some weird freedom to fight those that disagree with you *cough* crusades *cough*

        To quote Isiah Berlin: “The very desire for guarantees that our values are eternal and secure in some objective heaven is perhaps only a craving for the certainties of childhood or the absolute values of our primitive past.” You may feel the need to believe in a universe with some all knowing rational creator in control, but there is no reason that you’re views can’t be wrong.

        “Please read UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Article 19 & 20). How can the 178 nations signatories(including China) be “wrong” and you are right?”

        You’re using fallacious argument “argumentum ad populum” or appeal to majority. I have neither the time or patience to school you in it so just wiki it. Why don’t you use your brain and tell me what is the principle behind it? Or are you the type that believes whatever the powers-that-be tell you?

      • ThudOthwacker

        “And the criminal silliness that was the crusades was and is stopped by the Enlightenment.” ~
        asdafaa qwesda
        You’re several centuries off the mark. The last crusade was in the 13th century. While the age of enlightenment came about in 17th century. You are indeed a free thililing.  

        And please don’t equated the “intellectuals” with your wanna be groupies a.k.a. “free thinkers”.

        The intellectuals, engage in serious studies and researches on mysticism, arts and science. 

        While the “free thiniklings” engages in conspiracy theories and other deranged notions fueled by PCPs.

        “Just because they are speaking differing views doesn’t mean everyone is going to fight each other. You confuse freedom of expression with some weird freedom to fight those that disagree with you *cough* crusades *cough*” ~
        asdafaa qwesda
        You totally missed the point. You need laws and rules to maintain “ORDER”. Freedom of expression is not absolute. Otherwise why do we have a constitution for. LOL

        Oh please you’re the one confused not me. A mental challenge for you. I assumed you are a male. 

        In a mall you need to relieve yourself. Where will you go in, to the ladies or men’s toilet? 

        Naturally you pick the men’s room. You subconsciously following the rules imposed by society. But, have you not thought for a second that those signs infringe you “right” to choose?

        Isiah Berlin is just a puny dust compare to JESUS.

        “Why don’t you use your brain and tell me what is the principle behind it? ” ~asdafaa qwesda

        LOL The purpose of the covenant is to prevent cretins like Celdran and you to exploit the rights guaranteed by the constitution and UN Human Rights Law beyond it’s purpose.

        “Or are you the type that believes whatever the powers-that-be tell you?” ~asdafaa qwesda

        So now you’re questioning the good intention and purpose of the UN assembly? LOL

        Like Isiah Berlin to JESUS. Your just a speck of dust in accomplishments to the delegates who worked on the UN ICCPR law. LOL

        In layman’s parlance “YOU’RE INSIGNIFICANT” and  “OBTUSE” 

        Taas nang lipad mo pre!

      • asdafaa qwesda

        “You’re several centuries off the mark. The last crusade was in the 13th century. While the age of enlightenment came about in 17th century. You are indeed a free thililing”

        And after that there was the persecution of the protestants. The crusades was just an example the barbaric nature of the church that rears itself when there is no freedom to criticize and check it. The enlightenment did not happen overnight but developed over centuries.

        “Isiah Berlin is just a puny dust compare to JESUS.”

        That is an opinion not an argument. It is fallacious logic for you to use appeals to authority in this way. You are begging the question: does Jesus have any authority here? Heck does he even exist? Highly debatable.

        “You totally missed the point. You need laws and rules to maintain “ORDER”. Freedom of expression is not absolute. Otherwise why do we have a constitution for”

        My point is order can still be maintained with freedom of expression. I can say all sorts of stupid things like people with a certain skin color has a lower IQ than someone with another skin color. But I won’t necessarily convince others to adopt a eugenics program unless people will believe it. The problem is the church has no faith in the discernment of the people, it feels it has hold of the entirety of truth and people would be completely lost without it.

        “The purpose of the covenant is to prevent cretins like Celdran and you to exploit the rights guaranteed by the constitution and UN Human Rights Law beyond it’s purpose.”

        How does it do that and what are the limits? Why was the limit placed where it is?

        “So now you’re questioning the good intention and purpose of the UN assembly?”

        The legitimacy of the UN does not stem from simply being the UN. It is because they adhere to certain principles considered just. Nor does the UN claim to be perfect. The UN allows people to question it so it can evolve and change because unlike the Church, it has no delusions of knowing the entirety of truth. That is why they defend the freedom of expression. For what is the point of having differing views expressed when one knows the truth already.

        “In layman’s parlance “YOU’RE INSIGNIFICANT” and  “OBTUSE””

        Your consequentialist arguments while true are irrelevant. Yes my ability to influence world events is next to non-existent, but that doesn’t make me wrong. Nor does being a significant influencer of events and sheeple make you right *cough* Crusades *cough* getting-away-with-boy-rape *cough* But largely that is because of the large number of sheeple like you who do not think about principles and accept whatever tradition you are already born into.

      • ThudOthwacker

        “And after that there was the persecution of the protestants.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        LOL Nice run around. But you’re “WRONG” again. The policies of persecution of faithfuls was practice by every religion: Catholic against Protestant; Protestant against Catholic; Protestant against Protestant; Muslim against Christian; Et cetera.

        ” The crusades was just an example the barbaric nature of the church that rears itself when there is no freedom to criticize and check it.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        LOL You don’t know anything factual. The “Crusades” was form after a request from Alexi I who was threaten by the Turks after it defeats the Byzantine army. Plus Muslims destroy sacred Christian sites, persecution of Christians and Jerusalem was under their control. 

        Your “free thililing” groupies are feeding you “WRONG” information! Don’t each member of your congregation, researches and studies individually? Instead of absorbing everything what your conehead leaders says. LOL

         “That is an opinion not an argument. It is fallacious logic for you to use appeals to authority in this way.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        It is an undisputed FACT and UNDEBATABLE. 

        “You are begging the question: does Jesus have any authority here?” ~asdafaa qwesda

        YES! JESUS is the Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end for every Christians. Since the Philippines is a Christian nation and major segment of it are Catholics. And Muslims recognized JESUS too. JESUS words have a blanket authority in the country.  

        You don’t like that atheist? Then go find a new land and form your own country. Because the Philippines from the very beginning, believe in an existence of a supreme being a.k.a. “GOD”.

        ” Heck does he even exist? Highly debatable.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        Do you read the Bible or ask a Muslim about him?

        Every atoms in the universe have a negative and positive ions. It is the building block of everything animate and inanimate. But not every atoms can be lump together. If you’re familiar with basic physics. Same polarity repel each other. Only a specific atoms can be combine with another specific atoms to form a new matter.

        Now, the question. Who designed the atom?

        The atheist scientists theories stops on evolution. Beyond that, how it started, the knowledge are still out of their grasp. You and your fellow “free thililing” believe in something incomplete. LOL

        “My point is order can still be maintained with freedom of expression.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        There you go again with your “ASININITY”. You still don’t get it do you? If people are allowed to interpret their own interpretation of freedom of expression contrary to others. You get chaos. That’s why rules and laws where devised to promote uniform interpretation. Geez. you’re a very confused fellow(common with “free thililings”).

        “The problem is the church has no faith in the discernment of the people, it feels it has hold of the entirety of truth and people would be completely lost without it.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        You are right, YOU are totally lost. The priests are the messengers and the message came from JESUS. Every Christians are disciple of Christ teachings. YOU don’t question the TRUTH and the source!

        “How does it do that and what are the limits? Why was the limit placed where it is?” ~asdafaa qwesda

        The limits are there. so people will not steps on other people’s toe. DUH!

        “The legitimacy of the UN does not stem from simply being the UN. It is because they adhere to certain principles considered just. Nor does the UN claim to be perfect. The UN allows people to question it so it can evolve and change because unlike the Church, it has no delusions of knowing the entirety of truth.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        The scope of your “IGNORAMUS” is amazing. The UN existence is to prevent the errors of the past in repeating again. No ordinary people are allowed on the assembly floor unless on special occasion. Nation send representatives. Representatives consult citizens. Citizens propose ideas. Every issues and matters tackled by UN came from the grassroots.

        “That is why they defend the freedom of expression.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        That is why they formulate the  UN ICCPR law to prevent cretins like you and Celdran for taking advantage of personal rights beyond it’s design.

        “For what is the point of having differing views expressed when one knows the truth already.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        Why are people like you, who believe in evolution theory. Can’t accept laws are needed?

        Even evolutionists observed law of nature to come up with a conclusion.   

        “but that doesn’t make me wrong” ~asdafaa qwesda

        You are wrong in everything. You believe in something incomplete(evolution).

        “But largely that is because of the large number of sheeple like you who do not think about principles and accept whatever tradition you are already born into.” ~asdafaa qwesda

        LOL Do you know the definition of “principle”?

        It means: fundamental; primary; accepted; general law; truth from which others are derived.

        Noticed your contradiction? Your kind promotes the opposite of accepted principles.

        ROFLOL.

           

    • Mike_1974

      another pretentious know-how, genius SOB! oh please, we can debate on this the whole day and you will not win!!!

      • where_I_stand

        Walk the talk.
        Anong whole day, your reply has no argument. Naghamon ka pa. lols!

      • Mike_1974

        and your reply is simple “argumentum ad igonorantiam”. wala!!!!!! this will be futile!!!

      • ThudOthwacker

        As I expected from a lurdan debater to react. No substance, incoherent and ignorant.

        “You show yourself highly fed and lowly taught.” ~Shakespeare

      • Mike_1974

        and you think you know better? wake up and face life’s realities!!

      • ThudOthwacker

        Yes! I know the reasons and understand the position of the church.

        Do you?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

    your free speech was staged in a wrong place. it would have been appreciable if you’ve done it at the Quirino Grandstand. ngaw-ngaw ka ng ngaw-ngaw dyan di mo nirespito ang rights ng  mga faithfuls. busabus!

    • done_druff

      That’s what Celdran had done! No violation whatsoever!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damnaso?

      • where_I_stand

        Kawawa ka naman. Gamitin mo kaya utak mo.
        Argue with him.

    • Mike_1974

      oh come on!!! freedom of expression my &^%!!! when the artist displayed his arts at CCP, the church “cried like crazy hyena”!!! puro nga ang ngawngaw nila!! so please stop this wrong place, free speech argument!!! the problem is, your church can say what they want, irrespective of the venue and can get away with it!!

  • Julius_Caesar1

    So its like saying you can’t get jailed for ivory smuggling and pedophilia. I guess freedom of speech carries more weight in libra’s balancing scale. 

    • done_druff

      Who said? Ah ikaw lang pala eh.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damso ikaw nga!

      • Julius_Caesar1

        Yup me and CNN. Ayan ang hirap sa mga hindi nagbabasa.

        Please google: Priest embroiled in ivory smuggling controversy

  • yes_no_sir_maam

    malamang hindi na magmimisa tungkol sa pagpapatawad sa kapwa si monsignor. hehe.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JW3SV7ZIGLJCJMECO2IUN7GCCU smiley

    tanungin mo si Celdran bakit nya ginulo ang mga faithfuls sa simbahan. 

    • Mike_1974

      “faithfuls” is still debatable!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Diyan sa loob ng Bilibid….magkaroon kayo ng satisfying sex life..Go na Pia and Honteveros.

  • AlexanderAmproz

    Do the Philippines Clergy will enter in the Guinness Book for Feudal attitudes ?

    • done_druff

      Nope! Mali ka naman eh. Ala ka naman sa hulog pre!

      Celdran violated the law of the land that he is being put to jail and NOT Catholic Church law! The Church has no police power to jail offenders!Magbasa ka nga!!!!

      • bogli_anakdami

        the church owned flipland… flip senatongs/tonggressmen are in padre dumbasso’s payroll..

        gising, gung gong…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damasao ikaw ba yan?

      • Mike_1974

        dude, you obviously did not read the article!!! the case was filed by your padre damaso!!! stop acting as know-how in criminal law!! ikaw ang magbasa!!

  • AlexanderAmproz

    President Ramos will have order two push-up on the altar.

    • done_druff

      Hehehe… bopols ka rin talaga! 

      Si Ramos hindi court at hindi na sya presidente!

  • bogli_anakdami

    si celdran eh dapat ipako sa krus…

    anong say mo, padre dumbasso?

    • done_druff

      hindi dapat ipako dahil that’s tantamount to killing. 

      let him suffer for the offense he made for offending the law of men!

      • bogli_anakdami

        mga flip gung gong eh ipinapako ebri yir, di natetepok jan sa bulacan…

        ipako si celdran… dat’s the law of padre dumbasso…

      • done_druff

        kitam dapat hindi na kita pinatulan dito at baliw ka pala eh!

        sige matutulog na lang ako at mapagkamalan pa akong baliw!
        SUS!

      • bogli_anakdami

        nabaliw ka sa padre dumbasso’s dogma..

        gamitin ang kukote naman naman namannn…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

        Padre Damso, ikaw ba yan?

  • madz

    I would like to share several points on this article including the comments below:

    RESPECT
    The act of Carlos Celdran showed disrespect to a particular group of people- the Catholic Church. Respect in my point of view is one of the important values Filipinos must possess to have peace, orderliness and even economic growth, RESPECT of LIFE. RESPECT of PROPERTY. RESPECT of BELIEFS. RESPECT of CULTURE, RESPECT of RACE.RESPECT of DIGNITY.  RESPECT of the INDIVIDUALITY of each PERSON.
    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
    The Church is not the priests per se, The Church pertains to the people. It would be a hasty generalization that since there were cases of priest committing disrespect then all Catholics are the same. Yes, it is the same Church. It is the same body, but each is still by its own. “The pain of the foot is not of the hand.”

    FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
    Freedom is not infinite. Imagine living where freedom is absolute. I can not imagine the chaos. Everybody are free to express themselves in whatever way, wherever, whenever and whichever reason… 

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Philippines Clergy is the one abusing the Churches using it as protection for their uncountable illegals dirty tricks. 

      From Politic corruptions to Children’s abuses, robbery, rapes, every-things unacceptable by the laws and morality is happening under the religious umbrella.

      Philippines Clergy is a vomiting medicine,

      they built their own disrespect.

      Decent members of the Catholic Church should reject them to have definitely tainted all what is sacred.

      They deserved to be excommunicated at once, enough is enough !

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYAZBOJYIUCRLWTYJBORBVTTOI boyfarmer

         you are rejected

    • asdafaa qwesda

      When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him. When a group abuses the law to curtail freedom of expression because it feels “disrespected” people may be denied access to the truth. I have zero faith that the powers that be would provide people access to the truth.

      The actions of the Church and their sheeple speak loudly as to their faith in people’s ability to do what is right (how dare we think independently of the Church?!).

      The world isn’t perfect and can’t be, but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other. The chaos you speak of does not follow unless you assume people are incapable of discerning right from wrong by themselves (though that would not be surprising if you’re Catholic). In which case human being do not possess the faculties needed to practice freedom responsibly and freedom should therefore be taken from them unless allowed by an all-knowing guiding organization (again not surprising if you’re Catholic).

  • JK1000

    He’s really arrogant person. Carlos Celdran thinks that his “freedom” has no boundary and limits. He should be confine at the mental institution. He asked for it,that’s what he deserves.

    • Mike_1974

      such stupid remarks! but hey, what do we expect from stupid person!!! having said that, i therefore, conclude that you are one stupid person!!!

  • $38346712

    If Celdran made his protest outside the church building he would not be guilty as charged. He was fortunate he did not do it inside a mosque.

  • bogli_anakdami

    in flipland, kapag nagsisigaw sa loob ng simbahan = kalaboso

    kapag minasaker ang ‘ang tambaks na flip gung gongs = good time sa kanilang resort/mansions

    kapag ninakaw ang pondo ng bayan = ‘bakwet sa ‘merka, tambay doon sa vegas

    hay naku, flips, puro mga gung gongs… bwi hi hi hi hi pwi!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MNXDANY2I53565ZIWVFN6YM5LU California-FilAm

      Boss halatang halata kahit sa amerika wala ka pa ring swerte. mahiya ka sa comments mo!

      • bogli_anakdami

        ano ang ginagawa mo jan sa ‘merka?  ‘merka is not ruled by kaksaker padre dumbasso…

        mahiya ka naman… you’re enjoying the free thinkers’ labor… leech….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3LQ4MUAU3Z36MIQGIGSOKBCQE Rosauro

    Celdran for senator! Mas ok siya kaysa kay PTK. Hahaha!

  • $16638896

    ang mga kupal na pari pwede makialam sa gobyerno pero pag na offend na feelings nila pwde ka makulong?!? that’s BS!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

    Padre Damso ikaw ba yan?

  • GaggerAlert

    Based on the comments below, you could see why the Philippines are die hard religous.

    And then we question why we have Abu Sayaff? Its in the roots of our people. Filipinos would go all out if their religion was insulted, may it be Catholic, INC, Born again, or whatever.

    Celdran may have made the statement somewhere else, but jail time? That’s overboard.

  • asdafaa qwesda

    When freedom of expression is abused people get offended. But I have faith that people have enough brains to know when someone goes too far and ignore him. When a group abuses the law to curtail freedom of expression because it feels “disrespected” people may be denied a perspective that may well be true. I have zero faith that the powers that be would provide people access to the truth.

    The actions of the Church and their sheeple speak loudly as to their faith in people’s ability to do what is right (how dare we think independently of the Church?!).

    The world isn’t perfect and can’t be, but I think the world of excessive freedom of expression is a far better one than the other.

  • UrHONOR

    MABUHAY ka CELDRAN!

  • joeybg

    Si Balakubak panay ang dipensa sa mga taong ginagamit ang mga salita ng Diyos sa pagpapayaman…. maawa ka sa sarili mo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

    Padre Pedo pa rin?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

    Padre Damaso, ulolkatalaga!

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    You have got to be kidding me.  

    From the worst offenders against God ever comes such stupidity.  Catholicism is mired in idolatry and pagan rituals with no respect for human beings.  

    Don’t be deceived people.  Confession does not get you forgiveness from God. Only the catholic church.  People, don’t think that because you are a good (?) catholic and you show up at God’s pearly gates with that card in your hand you are welcome. 

     “Sure God, I killed a couple, stole from the people but hey… I confessed to a guy every sunday who gave me hail marys on me old beads and in turn I gave him Range Rover.  He told me that I am a good christian and that I deserve the gold.”  

    OR “I suffered tremendously God while others raped and pillaged my country but God, I suffered well because I had the church. Send me so many babies that I can never feed, cloth or educate them. I serve the church God”.

    It’s better than beer.  Amen

  • Juan Delacruz

    I rather have no freedom of religion than no freedom of expression.

    • Mike_1974

      balik ka muna sa HS para umayos ang inglis mo!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JC4FZSEBGFSRT26VSKEH674XNU Estong

    excommunicate, ibig sabihin di na siya puwede gumamit ng cell phone.

  • Albert Einstien

    impliedly repealed na yan provision ng 1932 RPC art 133 ng 1987 constitution HINDI lang ininvoke ng lawyer nya…pwede pa i-invoke yan sa appeal…issue of jurisdiction din yan….

    celdran’s lawyer should have INVOKED religious belief…what he has done inside the church is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF…under the 1987 constitution art 3 Section 5. NO LAW shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE EXERCISE thereof. The FREE EXERCISE and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION or preference, shall FOREVER BE ALLOWED …

    celdran is just exposing the misdeeds of some men of god to GOD himself…NAGSUSUMBONG lang cya sa GOD….religious exercise yan..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYAZBOJYIUCRLWTYJBORBVTTOI boyfarmer

       wrong, hindi religious act ang ginawa ni celdran kundi ka bastosan. . .

      • bahaykubo1015

        hello si monsignor ba sila???

      • bogli_anakdami

        kabastosan is when and if padre dumbasso charges flip gung gongs for services, as a religious act..

        the buybull ooopsie bible did not say jchrist charge for anything….

      • Albert Einstien

        sayo siguro po pero ang religious belief at exercise ay personal at subjective e…

        sya lang ang pwedeng magsabi na HINDI RELIGIOUS BELIEF at EXERCISE yun ginawa nya….lol

  • tekateka

    This is Bullshit… All church clerics should be jailed for Extorting money from the poor masses in exchange for False hopes and LIES…!!!

    • bogli_anakdami

      teka2… but… but…the flip gung gongs/poor masses worship padre dumbasso/clerics… it’s not extortion…

      now, when a sane person questions the church’s extortion, now that’s cardinal sin… di ba? 

      ooopsie baka ako multuhin ni cardinal sin…

    • Albert Einstien

      ….since 1565….try reading rpc..art 318 deceit…very specific ….lol

      however there is a legal defense…they call it voluntary  DONATIONS……lol

      in fact ang pinakulong ng simbahan dapat yung BOUNG congreso at si PNOY …dahil they OFFENDED their RELIGIOUS FEELINGS…church is very vocal about their injured feelings…..when they passed RH law….CELDRAN’s LAWYER can also invoke …EQUAL protection of the law….there should be NO DOUBLE standard on implementation of the laws…lol

  • chuggy

    We should respect freedom of speech at all costs. HOWEVER, this man entered a church, which is considered private property, and disrupted its proceedings. When he did this, he was impinging on the rights of others to worship peacefully. For interfering with other people’s rights, this man deserves to be punished.

    • Mike_1974

      and the priests use the pulpit for tirades against whoever!!!! and that is your freedom of speech!!! double standard ka iho!!!

      • chuggy

        The priests may say what they want at the pulpit because that is their venue for doing so. People have the freedom to choose whether or not to attend church or listen to a priest’s rant. That is what’s important here: preserving people’s ability to exercise free will without impediment. That is not a double standard, iho.

      • Mike_1974

        oh please. when an artist exhibited his arts are CCP. your priests exhausted all their energy to punished the artist. your priests impinged on that artist, leading to resignation of CCP’s  personel and leaders. 
        the priests can say what they want to say? that is right? turn a blind eye and deaf ears because of your fanaticism!! 

      • chuggy

        Yet the artist at CCP was not “punished.” Was he fined? Put in jail? He was severely criticized, sure, but prosecuted? Of course not. 
        Fanaticism? I am not and will never be a Catholic. Think with your head, not with your emotions, you peasant.

      • Mike_1974

        oh please, re-orient yourself and update yourself with his case!! and you think its ok for the priests to do what they did? 
        and what’s with the peasant argument? such holier than thou, better-than-thou attitude made your worse!!!
        please respond with valid arguments rather than with argumentum ad nauseam

      • chuggy

        Why don’t you follow your own advice and present facts with your arguments. Otherwise, you are the one guilty of “argumentum ad nauseam.” Do us all a favor, and don’t use terms you do not understand.

      • Mike_1974

        oh please…. do yourself a favor and jump from the highest building!! sumigaw ka pa ng darna!!!

      • chuggy

        Very intelligent. Bravo.

      • Mike_1974

        your sarcasm will bring you nowhere!!! get rid of this mindless stupor!!!

    • panhase

       You state that Celdran entered a church, which is considered a private property.
      But Celdran is a Catholic, this alone allows him to enter a Catholic Church. And do not forget that everybody, as in everybody, is invited into a Church.
      And who´s church is it anyway, the church of the clergy or the church of the people?

    • foreignerph

      A church is a public place as you don’t have to show a membership card on entry. A public market is often owned privately too, but everybody can access it. That makes it public.

      The church has no contract with anybody entering there that they should keep quiet. Hence, you can do and say anything there that you could in any other public place. There is a difference between a place being public on the one hand, and privately owned on the other.

      The church would only have a legal point when it issued memberships cards proving that the member has signed a civil contract of abiding by the club rules.

      • chuggy

        We have all signed a civil contract; not with a church, but with the government. We are bound to follow the law.

        You are incorrect in saying that you can say and do as you please in public. Try stripping off your clothes and running around in church. You would be stopped and charged for such an indiscretion. Try yelling “bomb” on a packed airplane or ferry. There are laws governing this type of behavior, just as there is a law that outlines what you can and cannot do at a religious ceremony. You don’t like the law? Then lobby your representative in Congress to have it changed. Otherwise, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

  • where_I_stand

    Imagine yourself storming the Senate, insulting each and every senator, and later cover yourself with a holy mantle named freedom of speech.

    Or go to Malacanang, particularly to the Office of the President, dress with a yellow polo shirt and imitate the usual action of  an abnormal person, in protest of a legitimate issue that you think not reasonable, discriminating and unfair to a certain sector. When apprehended, use the freedom of speech shield.

    Or storm to the Supreme Court holding an en banc session, and criticize the court for an erroneous decision and justify your act by invoking the freedom of speech.

    Or your neighbor entered your house and ridiculed and insulted you. Later he said he’s only exercising his freedom of speech.

    The above situations are not different from what Celdran did.

    ***
    Freedom of speech clause does not shield Celdran because he can freely exercise his right to free-speech with his own forum. The basic forum for free speech is a plaza. Even then the City Hall still requires you a permit, especially when your group is huge. Disrupting the religious activity with your antichurch tirades which are “notoriously offensive to religious feeling of the faithful” is nothing but a wrong sense of self-importance. I am with Celdran in advocating the then-RH Bill, but there’s always a proper forum for it. Freedom is not absolute, particularly when you’re encroaching on the freedom of other people.

    ***
    Should the Church forgive Celdran? I think the bishops have already forgiven him. But the law has its own code and it says that Celdran is found guilty of what he did.

    In his apology letter on the incident to Cardinal Rosales, Celdran wrote:

    “I would like to seek peaceful resolution with the Church.
    I am comforted by the grace of forgiveness and reconciliation that
    Christ’s Resurrection brought to us. We are constantly given the chance
    to return to the Father’s house, to reclaim the state of grace that is
    always there for us to receive as his children.”

    Apology is accepted, no question for that. But the case was filed before the proper court and found Celdran guilty. As provided for by the law, he has to serve his time in jail.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      In Quest of Fairness

      You forget Pentagon Head Quarter command room, White House Oval Office, Kremlin Putin Palace, Buckingham Palace for a fair comparison with the Quiapo’s Alibaba.

      The Comparison with Pilipino Politician will have been fair as behind every Politician there is at last one Bishop,
      more fair if it will have been with GMA jail hospital room as the Clergy “En Banc” was behind her thanks a Pajeros and envelops collection.

      May I remember you a Fantastic INQUIRER photo of Arroyo in Cebu with a Clergy complete collection of red dress except one Duende in front all of them.

      More seriously those thief’s and abusers in red robe didn’t deserved any more a single ounce of respect, as well as their Senators and Congressmen. 
      All of them are a mix up of every-things except Dignity and Respect, 
      it can be said as Crispin Beltran is sadly not anymore among them.

      After 450 Years of turpitude’s impose to the Filipino Peoples by them, 
      none has left a Dignity memories, included Sin with the fitting name.

      They never have been and are in a position for any request, even to be forgiven for non billable offenses.

      I hope that Carlos Celdran will be a casket  nail for them.

      PS: Don’t forget they are the country hopelessness, devastations and deadly amorality Architect’s with a specially calibrated treacherously christian teaching on purpose to rob and abuse the country.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    ANO CELDRAN SABI KO SAYO JESUITS COME TO YOUR HOUSE POLICE PUT YOU IN JAIL!! BASTA OBISPO SALOT SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • Erasmo Mallillin

    There is a saying that “God’s justice never sleeps forever and sooner or later it will lay down its own law like a ton of bricks”…in this case I feel that a fine was more appropriate rather than imprisonment.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      In case there will be a God justice, 

      he miss 450 years to punish the World most disgusting inquisitional Clergy !

      Did you already observed some smoke coming out from the hell ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SORRY KA NALANG CELDRAN DI KA PATATAWARIN NG CBCP BISHOPS SA KASALANAN MO MAG DALA KANA NG BANIG UNAN MO SA LOOB SABI NGA SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO ILILIBING KA NILA NG BUHAY AT ILALAGAY KA SA HUKAY SABI YAN NI BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ NA MUKANG GALUNGGONG MATATAKAW NA OBISPO SALOT SA PINAS MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! CELDRAN MAG REGALO KA MUNA NG MONTERO PATATAWARIN KA NILA!

    • Shadows1

      Kahit ang pinaka banal na nilalang (at napatunayang napakabait at pulos kapakanan ng ibang tao ang inuuna) ay hindi ganyang kabilis humusga ng kahit sinong tao mapa-pari man o simpleng nilalang. Kristyano ka ba? Bakit hindi mo subukang balikan ang aral ng Kristyanismo bago ka humusga ng ganyan sa mga pari at tawagin silang satanas, salot at damaso.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FL3LL3JXVTUMASSKPNDZPKFJZA Alex

      Alam mo Edgar Mendoza, sa mga sinabi mo…ikaw ang lumalabas na salot at wagas na satanas. sigurado, hindi ka kristyano kaya ka ganyan…. karamihan sa ating mga pilipino…mapagmahal sa kalayaan pero karamihan din sa atin…hindi ito alam gamitin sa tamang paraan. nakakalungkot……may mga taong kagaya mo edgardo. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        OBISPO SALOT SA PILIPINAS KUNG MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS!! WAG MO KAMPIHAN ANG MGA DYABLO OBISPO NAG SASABI LANG SI CELDRAN NG TOTOO TAPOS IPAKUKULONG NG JESUITS NI BISHOPS SATANAS MABUHAY KA CELDRAN’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      hi doggie! you re here again! any new tricks? 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ASO KA KASI NI SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! PINAKAIN KABA NIYA NG DOG FOOD’

      • antonioluna

        weew… isang ugat na lang ata yung hindi pumipirma at aatakihin ka na… relax…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Then jail all the PEDOPHILE priests too.

    • done_druff

      File a case first then see them in court!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Norma-Stafford/1012191164 Norma Stafford

    Freedom of speech, one of the rights of a citizen under a democratic form of government must be respected and follow…..that’s one of ….THE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHTS OF A HUMAN BEING THAT MUST NOT BE SUPPRESSED BY AUTHORITIES…..IN A DEMOCRACY……

    • done_druff

      Ah so you are ignorant of the Libel law!

      • foreignerph

        Punishing libel against one type of convictions and not against others (atheism, the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc…) is blatant discrimination.
        Since all men are equal, all their beliefs and convictions are equal too and merit respect.

      • done_druff

        I suggest you take you complaints somewhere else because the laws of this land is center in God. Discrimating? You bet!

        And may I say that it is NOT discrimination but downtrodden action to offend someone just by your conviction. The last time I checked, Libel is still enshrined in our Constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002664921331 Chipper Hon

    Tirahin sa pwet yang putanginang Celdran na yan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002664921331 Chipper Hon

    Kaya lumalakas ang loob ng ibang tao at dumarami ang bastos kasi dahil sa mga ganyang tao. Lam mo na pinoy, nakikiuso. Uso atheist tara magpaka asal aso tayo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/babyalt3 Rea Yanez

      Atheist? Asal aso? Para mo naring sinabi na without religion, man are savages by nature.  Pathetic. 

      • foreignerph

        Most scientists are atheist because believing in some mythical being just based on old and often rewritten books is against all reason. Those are not “savages” at all, but very educated and highly moral people. People that are motivated in their morality by fear of hell at the contrary are the behavioristic conditioned ones, not the ones that draw their morals from an inner humanistic conviction.
         

      • done_druff

        Glad you said “Mostly” because that only proves that there are God believing ones!

    • huseng_batute

       May mga atheist na mabait.  Meron ding mga pedophile na hindi ko na babanggitin kung ano pang posisyon sa kung anong relihiyon.

  • hellowafers

    What are religious feelings? is the protection of religious feelings a legitimate concern of the state? should religious feelings be used as a criterion to regulate free speech? Why should religious sentiments and places of worship be given special protection (as per article 133)? is this not a violation of the non-establishment clause, “No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion”?  I’m genuinely curious.

    • done_druff

      Don’t question the law here because somebody in Congress must have proposed that and had gone through deliberation and later approved by the Chief Executive.

      Is the protection of religious feelings a legitimate concern of the state? YES, THAT’S WHY IT BECOMES A LAW.

      should religious feelings be used as a criterion to regulate free speech? YES! IF YOU BELIEVE THAT FREE SPEECH SHOULD NOT BE REGULATED THEN ABOLISH LIBEL AND SLANDER!

      Why should religious sentiments and places of worship be given special protection (as per article 133)? is this not a violation of the non-establishment clause, “No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion”? THE LAST LAW THAT YOU MENTIONED IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO 133. I GUESS I NEED YOU RE-READ THEM.

      • hellowafers

        oh don’t question the law because someone must have spent so much time and brain power in its deliberation huh?  that makes sense.  let’s not worry about the cyber crime law either.  heck, let’s not even discuss anything outside of our respective expertise.

        from what i know the revised penal code IS OLD. yung sinasabing revision na yan it happened in the 1930’s (correct me if i’m wrong).  art. 133 was approved WAY before that, most probably during the time when there was no separation between church and state.  why does a secular state even have a law protecting religious feelings?  hindi ba sapat na ang mga batas natin against disruption of peace in celdran’s case?granted free speech isn’t absolute, as there is the existence of libel and slander, but the criterion for regulation should always be weighed with utmost care and vigilance.  

        “Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prison correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.” 

         In this case, what is the definition of notoriously offensive?  may i sue our parish priest who, sunday after sunday, uses the holy mass as a venue for pushing his agenda against government policies, or promoting a particular political candidate? i find that offensive.  if millions of other catholics share my sentiments, does it qualify as notoriously offensive?  does he deserve to go to jail for it?

      • Mike_1974

        ang kailangan ni done_druff ay selson blue!!!

  • Victor Carl

     It proves Ph criminal justice system works.

    • hellowafers

      yeah, it works for big fish like the Catholic Church. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        toink! bobo!

    • Mike_1974

      criminal system? wow!! sinong pinatay? sinong sinaksak? sinong nadukutan? pls dont equate freedom of speech to criminal law!!!

  • MolybdenumStudios

    I know that Mr. Celdran is fighting for the rights of people and criticizing the Church’s shenanigans, however, demonstrating it in a church just seems pathetic. Outside the church, well, no problem, but INSIDE — it’s like a walking “Poleteismo.”

    • AlexanderAmproz

      outside the church nobody will have noticed it,

      Without the Church backwardness to ask for Carlos Celdrand condemnation,

      the Clergy will not have appeared so backward, 

      they light a fireworks to tell the world how backward they are and responsible since

      450 years of the Philippines population struggling for survival thanks their guilty of unaccountable dirty habits, soon the only safe haven for them will be the Philippines, 

      proving by the example Carlos Celdran is right to tease them innocently, 

      as the country values instigated by the Clergy is to kill, torture and steal ad Nauseam.

  • foreignerph

    What a retarded law. I’m an atheist and every time I see a church, my feelings get hurt because of the thousands of years spiritual oppression, killings, burnings and violations of human rights in general by this institution. Why is there no law against this kind of offense? Is this a catholic theocracy or plain discrimination between equivalent value and belief systems?

    • done_druff

      Same here. Every time I see an Atheist, my feelings get hurt because for countless of years, you assault God believing people. 

      Accept it or go to a country where God is not the center of the laws of the land. 

      • diandraroldan

        “Accept it or go to a country where God is not the center of the laws of the land.”

        Wow. Are you trying to impose your religious beliefs to all Filipinos? In case youre unaware, everyone is born and raised differently. Just because somebody doesnt believe in your God doesnt mean they’re ill-hearted. Say, should an atheist who does nothing but help the poor be condemned simply ’cause of his belief? Even if he hasnt done anything wrong to other people?

        & so youre suggesting non-believers to just move out of the country? So noble of you. Arent Christians supposed to be accepting of everyone else? Youre contradicting your church’s teachings.

        For the record, not all atheists assault “God believing people.” Get your facts straight and dont generalize.

    • boldyak

      only a retard finds that law retarded…does the law specifically applies only to catholics?…have you heard the word “respect”…only a retard doesn’t know what is “respect”….RETARD

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        pano bobo di makaintindi! simple!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AUPTS47VZP6O5O4ABVWTACXOQU Febien

      Spiritual oppression, killings, burnings and violations of human rights by this institution. youre hurt? Dapat ka talagang masaktan! Masakit ang isilang na ………ewan! Saan mo natutunan ang magkathang isip? Katoliko ako pero never akong ns oppress. Killings and burnings? Gising , gumising ka , gutom lang yan!

      • Ian Troy Alvaran

        It’s not you but the history of Catholicism as a whole. The Crusades, the persecution of the non-Catholics, what they did to protestants, what the Church did to Jose Rizal and to those other ‘heretics’ who have died fighting for what they believe in.
        The Catholic church may have changed since it is being closely monitored. But once we go back to a ‘Theocracy’, everything will go back in chaos.
        Sure, you may have not ‘oppressed’ anyone. Kindly read your history books if you can say the same for your Catholic leaders?

        PS I still attend mass. However, I can disagree with a lot of things the catholic church is trying to ‘teach’ us.

  • Meow Ming

     It’s like the Catholic church defends the execution of Rizal because his novels are offensive to them.

    • done_druff

      Huh????

    • boldyak

      MEOW MING::::: read this….wag kang magmarunong…
      Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

      • Meow Ming

         He attack the Damasos, not the church.

      • done_druff

        Sige pagbibigyan kita.. inatak nya mga Damasos… Pero paano nya ginawa at saan?

      • Meow Ming

        Obviously the Damasos got offended that’s why they filed a case against him and not the ordinary faithful that should have been the one that filed the case on him.

      • done_druff

        You are not answering my question!

        Balik at pakisagot! Dali!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CPLC4XEQCRWZGY6ON4WET6IURY jk

        magtatayo ako ng sarili kong relihiyon at pag meron kayong sinabi o ginawa na taliwas sa kung ano gusto kong batas sa relihiyon ko e kakasuhan ko din!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

      Let’s see you doing that in front of a congragation of Muslims during their prayer worship???!!!…tingnan ko ng kung magaling kayo???!!  Archaic law????!!!  Carlos Conde…lead your group…tell the Muslims how inhuman they are…come on!!!

  • boldyak

    CARLOS CONDE::::::read this….wag kang magmarunong…
    Article 133 punishes those who “in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    siga nga, sino may gusto sumigaw dyn ng pambabastos sa loob ng simbahan. tell me the time, date when and where. abangan kita dun! swerte ka kung makalabas ka pa! siga nga tingnan natin. try nyo lng! oras, araw at lugar-simbahan!

    dun makita nyo un freedom of speech na sinasabi nyo! papakita ko sayo!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZLOSFXE5WRUPCT6VW22HX4RSW4 Guardian

    Let’s see you doing that in front of a congragation of Muslims during their prayer worship???!!!…tingnan ko ng kung magaling kayo???!!  Archaic law????!!!  Carlos Conde…lead your group…tell the Muslims how inhuman they are…come on!!!

    • Mike_1974

      laki naman ng takot mo sa Muslim!!!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      I didn’t know Carlos Celdran was a Muslim,

      and the Muslim leading the country.

      Muslim leaders don’t have the reputation to be systemically pedophiliac

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS COME TO YOU AND POLICE PUT YOU IN JAIL BASTA OBISPO MALAKAS TALAGA KAY LORD ILILIBING KA NILA NG WALANG LABAN MAHIRAP TALAGA PAG ANAK NG DIYOS MALAKAS ANG IMPLUWENSIYA SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ SALOT!! SA PILIPINAS! GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      from now on i ll call you doggie EBS. ang baho kasi ng kahol mo! san na yun pastor na trainor mo! ganyan ka lagi wala na bang ibang tricks?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        pati pastor salot pero pinaka salot OBISPO mag sinungaling wagas cbcp bishops salot sa pilipinas si celdran ay tunay na pilipino mabuhay ka!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        tunay wow! natikman mo sya? doggie Ebs ha…anong ginawa nya sayo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO JESUITS PUT YOU IN JAIL CARLOS CELDRAN IS A HERO!! REAL PILIPINO! TUTA KA NI DAMASO SALOT!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        ikaw ha…baka magalit yan mga pastor sayo Doggie Ebs!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        PASTOR MAG NANAKAW NEGOSYANTE TULAD NG OBISPO SALOT MAHILING SA DONASYON

    • $5699914

      NABABASA MO BA MGA ISINUSULAT MO?
      NARIRINIG MO BA SARILI MO SA MGA PINAGSASABI MONG KATARANTADUHAN LAGI?

      MAS MAINAM PA YATA NA MAKIPAG-USAP SA ISANG MONGOLOID KAYSA MAKIPAG-USAP SA ISANG TULAD MO.

      HMMM….LONG-TERM EFFECT NG SHABU BA IYAN?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ASO KA NI SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

      • $5699914

        Hokey!

        Sige na, batak na at ng kumalma ka ng kaunti….

  • Victor Carl

    His bad manners sealed his conviction, not his stand on RH. He can insult the priests and the bishops as he pleases but disrupting a liturgical service with his bloody antics is going beyond the bounds of civility.It’s definitely disrespectful. He may not agree with the Catholic Church on this issue but he has damned no right to impose his beliefs in the Church’s sanctum sanctorum. That will surely get him into trouble. He wants to hit the big time at the expense of the Church. Just how pathetic the SOB is.    

    • Mike_1974

      wow!! double standard ka iho!! you have the audacity to comment SOB and talks about manners and respect in your comments!! your comment is a classic example of oxymoron in the grandeur manner!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    DI PAREHAS ANG LABAN SI JESUITS IPINAKULONG SI CELDRAN ANG MGA SINUNGALING NA SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO IBA TALAGA PAG ANAK NG DIYOS DI KA PATATAWARIN NI JESUITS AT NI MONSIYOR SINUNGALING NA WAGAS KATOLIBAN CHURCH IMPOKRITO!! SALOT!

    • done_druff

      Aba at nandito ka rin pala. Kaya pala parang may naamoy akong ka-bobohan dito…

      Nyak!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        BOBO SI JESUITS MO AT ANG MGA OBISPO SALOT DYABLO MAN LILINLANG SINUNGALING OBISPO CBCP BISHOPS SALOT SA PILIPINAS! GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO!

  • http://twitter.com/amazonics Amazonics

    Nararapat lang na makulong ka Carlos. Wala kang respeto!

    • amapangarap

      oo nga! teka, ano na nga nangyari kay monsignor cristobal garcia aka child rapist aka smuggler? tsk tsk tsk.

  • bahaykubo1015

    DAMASO’S justice
    For such small offense kulong kaagad!!!!!
    But for countless priests and bishops sexually abusing children….ipino-promote pa sila!!!!!
    and they keep on pretending that they are the representatives of God on earth….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    di nararapat makulong si celdran tunay siya pilipino nag sasabi siya ng totoo OBISPO sinungaling salot kaya dumami batang hubo sa kalye celdran bayani dapat parangalan siya saludo ako sa kanyang tapang SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOD7RFK7CCTRMIUQZMBSZW3TFM Milenis

      Gayahin mo idol mo ng magkita na kayo sa selda. Bet ko sya una pupulot ng sabon.

  • Tnosce

    Yan ang nakuha mo di sa cell drum ang bagsak mo masyado ka naman kasi na paka Dam as oh ! yan tuloy ang nakuha mo. Sige sige sputnik tuloy ang kasama mo di bali nan dyan naman ang mga sparrow kaya babait ka dyan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS PAG NAG SINUNGALING TALO PA SI SATANAS MGA IMPOKRITO!! NAKIKITA KO ANINO NILA BALUKTOT NA SUNGAY SA HABA LALO NAYAN SI CARNIVAL TAGLE KAMUKA NI BABALU AT SI BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ MUKANG GALUNGGONG ANG MUKA SA KASINUNGALINGAN MGA UNYANGO OBISPO PARASITE CHURCH!! KUNG MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PARANGALAN SI CELDRAN MABUHAY KA!! PARA KANG SI RIZAL

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOD7RFK7CCTRMIUQZMBSZW3TFM Milenis

       How dare you compare this low life inbred to Rizal? Blasphemy!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

    For those who want that Celdran be spared from imprisonment, may I ask the question:
    SHOULD WE ALSO APPLY  THE SAME TO ALL CORRUPT OFFICIALS OF THE COUNTRY?  or should we have a double standard: basta mabigat na kaso, dapat papanagutin sa  batas at yung hindi mabigat na kaso, dapat palusutin na lang katulad ng kaso ni Celdran?
    Look at Singapore, I tis  a very rich country, because they are very efficient in implementing their laws even the most simple traffic rules and regulations!!!

    • Mike_1974

      crime for freedom of expression? oh please!!! how dare  you compare corrupt officials for someone speaking his mind!!!

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Did you are sick ?

      Comparing a crazy enough Guy to ask for civil liberties,

      with  corrupts usually killers, its just and simply insane !

  • disqus_mq9PGfXqvP

    In fairness to celdran, heshould not be jailed… HE SHOULD BE CONFINED AT THE NATIONAL MENTAL HOSPITAL ! ! ! …together with those who believes in him!  hahaha!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! SALOT

    • amapangarap

      oo nga, kasama si Monsignor cristobal garcia no? lol

  • Ian Troy Alvaran

    It’s best to go back in time where the Church was the most powerful government in the civilized world. There were always wars, assassinations, inquisitions, innocent women being falsely convicted as witches and burned to a stake, genocide of ethnic groups such as Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and those who did not convert to Christianity.
    If that is what you call God’s justice, I don’t want to be part in it.

  • Rovingmoron

    Oh, I think most people are upset over this sad news. For me, the Knights of the Templar are ressurecting from the abyss. In an apeal, P-Noy is calling on the Church to reconsider its stance that put Celdran into the pit. What about amending Article 133 of the Constitution? I have this to say. If the Church attacks the pitfalls of the State, does the government file criminal charges against the CBCP? Nope. There must be Article 133 (a) which does the same to the Church, if the latter offends the interests of the State.If not, there must be another referendum on whether there is a need to craft a bill that will make it punishable by law if the Church intervenes in the affairs of the State. But there is none and there can never be one now and in the future. Too sad!

    • Haring Buraot

      We already have the separation of the church and the state…di nga lang sinusunod ng mga “banal” na tao ng simbahan.kaya kung ganyan din lang na double standard ang nangyayari at tayong mga mamamayan ang naiipit…para saken tama lang ang ginawa ni carlos.marami na ring “feelings” ang “sinaktan” ng simbahan ng di sila nakinig sa gusto ng nakararami na ipasa ang rh bill…di natin pinili (at least para saken) ang mga paring ito para maging spokesperson o representative naten…kung nag mga pari e pwedeng pumunta sa congress para “iparamdam” ang “impluwensya” nila nung panahon ng 2nd reading (pati ata final) na walang nagbawal sa kanila e bakit di pedeng tong gawin sa “simbahan” nila?

  • 1nDaySaLundun

    What did Celdran do? Didn’t he speak the truth? Oh the Catholic church is too holy to be criticised? and they don’t like hearing the “truth” about them? I thought there is freedom of speech and thought in the Philippines? 
    Shouldn’t we prosecute the people in government who are openly corrupt? Shouldn’t we prosecute the so called politicians who are openly infidels? who have children with more than one partner and even outside marriage? Isn’t that against the catholic church teachings? Why is the catholic church turning a blind eye on these? Catholicism in the Philippines is soooo hypocritical.

    • http://twitter.com/CelebGPS CelebGPS

      Read about the right for freedom of speech and maybe you will understand.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    JESUITS NOT 4 GIVE CELDRAN HA YOP KA!! DAMASO NAG SASABI LANG SI CELDRAN NG 220 SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! LIARRR GUS2 NINYO DUMAMI BATANG HUBO SA KALYE SALOT NA OBISPO!! ANO AKALA NINYO SA PINAS POULTRY NG BATANG HUBO!

  • amapangarap

    Banal na aso, santong kabayo. natatawa ako..LolZ

  • el_latigo

    The Catholic Church is again making a huge mistake here (so much for infallibility). They are  only making Carlos Celdran more famous, if not a a hero already, for merely blurting out “Damaso” (perhaps if he cried “Damasing” instead, it will not offend them?) during a religious ceremony. Which is more serious as a crime, saying “Damaso” or millions of taxpayers’ money being squandered with impunity by our honorable Senatongs and fighting over it after? Why is the church sooo silent about this scandal so shameless that it will even make Al Capone cringe if he were still alive? Can’t our good bishops see that while millions of Filipinos cannot even afford to eat 3 square (triangle?) meals a day, while these “honorable” men are helping themselves with millions of  taxpayers’ money, our money?

  • Tonet Lipana

    A travesty..idiots in robes..

  • kraftsch ullman

    magkano kaya kinikita ng simbahan linggo linggo? for more than 300 years hinihigop ang pera ng pilipinas kaya tayo naghihirap. sa dami nilang pera, wala man lang pinagawang kalsada o tulay, etc. ni hindi nga makatulong sa mga mahihirap na naglilimos sa labas ng simbahan. tapos ngayon naoffend kuno yung feelings nila. i will not forgive the church. they should pay. 

    • SaveLife

      ouch! a shallow argument it is!! i suggest you go to Veritas or to CBCP if not go to Vatican and ask for financial statement then get back to me kung ano nakuha mong information.. hehe.. it’s so easy to rant than to research and look for the right information rather believing in hearsay? 

      • kraftsch ullman

        don’twant to waste my time. just compute… 500 pesos per child as membership fee x 20 children/wk = 10k pesos, at least 2 weddings/wk x 5k per wedding= 10k/wk. so 20k na yan pa lang. 20k/wk x 4x a mo. =80k/mo/church. x 12mo = .96M a year. get it?

         sa bagay mayaman ka, barya lang ito sa iyo. idiot.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOD7RFK7CCTRMIUQZMBSZW3TFM Milenis

         What a bogus claim. Idiots like you bring a shame to the anti-catholic/religion movement.

    • http://twitter.com/CelebGPS CelebGPS

      LOL That’s not their job. Why not ask your congressman/woman about those roads and bridges you’re asking for?

      • kraftsch ullman

        tama, hindi nga nila trabaho yan. at kahit kelan di nila gawin yan dahil hanggang salita lang sila. at uto uto naman kayo.

  • kraftsch ullman

    the right to say anything is more sacred than any religion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2XI2G6YCZ7GO5PDUHBPZDSAT64 M

    Respect.
    I think that is the only problem with Mr. Beltran. He can shout all he want anywhere. He can say all his freedom of speech anywhere but then, it is a church. If you don’t respect the church then PLEASE respect the people who believes in it.

    • kraftsch ullman

      finally, an appropriate response.
      but then again, i believe mr. beltran felt offended that the church did not respect his own beliefs in, like say, separation of church and state, and had to interfere as the church had interfered.

  • Duke Dux Ducis

    naku marami na namng mga morons na anti-catholic dito…ANG BATAS 133 ang magpa pakulong ke celdran hindi ang simbahan…ang batas ay batas diba yan ang pinamumukha ni noynoy ke GMA…eh ngayon me sumuway sa batas edi dapat pagbayaran…CHR wag nyong ipamukha na kaya nyong suwayin ang batas para kay celdran…tignan nyo nalang ang nakakatuwang dati nyong chairman na si de lima pagka talaga nya sa DOJ andami na nyang human rights violations na ginawa…

    • kraftsch ullman

      ang alam ko lang mga morons na anticatholic yung mga fundamentalists. ang pagkaalam ko mga katoliko ay nag-aaway, nagdedebate (at minsan mas grabe pa, yaay! jesuits vs. opus dei!) pero in the end tumitibay yung paniniwala.

  • Duke Dux Ducis

    DUMADAMI ANG MGA ANTI-CHRIST…

  • Duke Dux Ducis

    Iglesia Ni Cristo Happy Birthday Felix ManaloManila, Philippines – Iglesia Ni Cristo wants us to believe that they do not celebrate Christmas. They say they do not celebrate the birthday of Jesus Christ but they do celebrate and commemorate the birth date of their dead founder Felix Manalo. Iglesia Ni Cristo believes that Jesus Christ is not a God, he is only man but INC believe that Felix Manalo is an angel.FROM THE BLOG PINOY COURIER…Paki explain lang ‘bat ganun paniniwala ng mga taga INC…hope to get a good explanation diba sa site nato maraming GENIUS alam lahat…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Whatever they will say about RCC will not make their religions
    true! PEKE pa rin mga yan! Kahit sumigaw sila sa Mt.
    Everest o sa buwan, PEKE pa rin mga yan! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZOD7RFK7CCTRMIUQZMBSZW3TFM Milenis

    What Carlos did was disruptive. He could have at least waited for the
    Church service to end before shouting out his opinion. I wonder how will
    you feel if someone suddenly came in to your house while having a
    dinner then claimed your husband or wife is cheating on you.

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