Church: No reconciliation while RH law is in effect

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Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles. (southernluzoninquirer.com photo)

Malacañang’s attempts to “reconcile” with the Catholic Church are futile unless the reproductive health (RH) law is repealed, a Catholic prelate said Thursday.

Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles said there could be no reconciliation because that could be misconstrued by others as a move that the Church has already “approved” of the controversial RH law, which took effect yesterday.

He added that calls for reconciliation from Palace officials might only attempt to prevent the bishops from coming out with a “condemnation” of the Aquino administration when the Catholic Bishops Conference of Philippines (CBCP) meets for its plenary session later this month.

“We are not really angry at them but it’s like they knocked us down and now they want us to be friends. After beating us up, they want us to be friends,” Arguelles said in an interview.

“We don’t mind being beaten up but, for us, those who will suffer in the end [due to the RH bill] are our people and the country,” he added.

Arguelles said the Aquino administration used “everything [like] money, pressure, cheating” to push for the RH law.

“And now they’re pleading for reconciliation. I don’t think so,” he added.

Catholic lay groups have promised to mobilize their members around the country to boycott in the coming May elections politicians who supported the RH law.

The Church said the RH law promoted a “culture of death” and would eventually lead to the legalization of abortion, divorce and euthanasia or mercy killing in the country.

“We don’t regret that we were treated very badly [but] we regret that if we reconcile with the government, we would be part of their inequity,” Arguelles said.

Against God’s order

 

“If (reconciliation) means we approve of what they are doing, we cannot. That is against the order of God,” he added.

Arguelles conceded that administration officials might have believed that they were doing the country good by pushing for passage of the RH law.

“They say the Church is old-fashioned but we’re just defending life and trying to strengthen the family because (the RH law) would destroy our culture and that is in the program of these foreigners who were with them,” Arguelles said.

He said the calls from Palace officials for reconciliation were suspect because the CBCP members were holding their plenary meeting later this month.

“Maybe that is their purpose because we might come out with a condemnation or whatever. If they are afraid, you should ask them. Maybe they are concerned that we might talk about something that will not help them… they might just be paranoid,” Arguelles said.

“If they want reconciliation, and here I do not speak for the other bishops, they should debunk the RH law first. Get rid of it,” he added.

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  • ryan andres

    Tanginamoka Arguelles. Sore loser.

    The only thing you boy loving bishops have proven is how far away you have strayed from your own scripture. Doesn’t your scripture preach about humility in victory, graciousness in defeat? And above all, doesn’t your scripture preach about the power of forgiveness?

    • 12JEM

      You have to pity this Ignorant Bishop. He is a disgrace to the RCC..

  • Adi Escano

    Can we please move on.

    • 12JEM

       It is the CBCP that will be condemned by the Filipino people.

  • quirinomayer

    This only shows the intolerance of  the CBCP aka Padre Damaso and how they are hell bent on ramming their beliefs into the throat of the nation. They want the government and the nation to bow to them like during the time of the Spaniards when their word was law.  They cannot accept that Filipinos have graduated from being ignorant and docile Indios. No reconciliation for so long as the RH Law is not scrapped my foot! Who are these people who think they can dictate what the government and the rest of the nation should do?

    No reconciliation with Padre Damaso for so long as he wants to rule this nation and has no respect for the state and the contrary opinion of other Filipinos! No reconciliation with the Catholic clergy for so long as he thinks like Padre Damaso like this Pharisee Arguelles!

     

      

  • marienkind

    /331821/cardinal-tagle-face-the-new-year-with-peace-forgiveness

    Try this new year’s article. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    ARGUELLES, you can go suck yourself.  LOOOZER.

  • Rae_E

    “If (reconciliation) means we approve of what they are doing, we cannot. That is against the order of God,” he added.

    Stop using God’s name in vain. You can’t fool Filipinos anymore, we are wiser now. Opposing RH is not God’s order but Vatican’s order. Most Christian denominations apart from the RCC support RH because it’s actually pro-life & most humane. CBCP want’s poor women to keep breeding like rabbits so they remain poor & ignorant enough for them to control. No to blind & hypocritical fanaticism espoused by these descendants of Pharisees & Damasos!

    CBCP – you’re supposed to feed your flock so they’ll have assurance of salvation but you don’t actually preach the biblical gospel. Why? Because you’re false prophets!

  • Hey_Dudes

    WOW.  What can one say?  CBCP must be of the idea they are a government all on their own that any other governments need to bow down if it wants to seek it’s cooperation.  I think from hereon, congress and executive branches of government must do everything for the benefit of nation and people without being fearful of this tax non-paying religion.  I would not be surprise if they will throw their support to any presidential and congressional candidates promising to strike down RH law in writing.  It is understandable for the majority of Filipinos to be shameless but for priest, bishops and other clergy members to be shameless is something exclusively for them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL2GYU35SO6HTJUEAUTXS3QFYM George Lapulapu

    Father noon 1898 pa tinapos ang paghahari nyo dito sa pinas. di nga kayo nag aplogise sa 300 years na pang aapi nyo sa bansa e…

    tax the church!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL2GYU35SO6HTJUEAUTXS3QFYM George Lapulapu

    ..what was that Cardinal Tagle said about the Roman Catholic Church? HUMBLE CHURCH… father arguellas, what is a humble church again?

  • madallison

    He makes it sound like the government passed this law just to spite the Church. The government did this to protect women’s health by allowing them to plan and space their children instead of having the life sucked out of them by getting pregnant year after year. So they can decide how many children they can raise decently so that the children will grow up to be educated and productive citizens. The government didn’t beat the Church, they just did what they felt was right. The Church should understand that the government is not Catholic, it is for all Filipinos. So they can preach all they want in their church but they shouldn’t meddle with the government.

  • AntiAko

    WAHAHAHA. This church is such a sore loser. You believe you are following the order of God? What about His order of respecting secular authority? And His order of forgiving enemies?

    Grrrr… your words are so hollow.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MIIU4AIF5XFICVVAEVLVAFY46A danny

    Aaaahhhh, hindi pala marunong magpatawad ang mga pari. hindi na pala ko magkukumpisal…hehehe

  • siJuanDalandan

    The Aquino administration was being magnanimous when it sought reconciliation with the Philippine Roman Catholic Church after the RH law was passed.  Unfortunately, the latter has been acting like a sore loser, unable to handle defeat with dignity.  These bishops have no respect for the voice of the people. They are out of touch with the people that they claim to serve.

  • w33k3nd3r

    Well, frankly, Arguelles, I don’t care what you say. Isa kang pikon na sumawsaw sa laban na di mo ikakapanalo. For a clergy man, it’s quite the irony that you made your life a living H3ll.

  • w33k3nd3r

    Paranoid?! Hahahaha! Look who’s talking! Damaso much! Hahahaha!

  • KapitanBagwis

    This Arguelles is something stupid. He thinks most Filipinos are morons like him. This is one pathetic human being.

  • jinx

    “Those who will suffer in the end (due to the RH bill),…..” Arguelles.  What a conceited, but obsolete individual this priest is.

  • Emilio

    Pnoy, the catholic church is declaring war on the govt. The govt should make the church pay taxes, it seems they are getting bolder and bolder, as if they are masters of the universe. Compare the clergy to the other sect and u can observe how arrogant these people are. Pnoy, if u don’t do anything now, the church might excommunicate you and accordingly u will go to the fires of hell. It doesn’t end there. When u get to hell, u will find a lot of clergymen there(pedophiles, homosexuals, abusers of women, inquisitioners, persecutors of galileo), so it is the same thing all over again.
    The time to act is now. (give them condoms now so they can stuff it in their mouth and stop talking, or u can give them pajeros)

  • tgomeziii

    I hope that CBCP and Mr. Arguelles himself are monitoring public reaction to their behavior and pronouncements. Up to this point of this particular news item, in the commentaries no one agrees with him and hardly is there any expression of respect. Public scorn is the wage garnered by the clergy for its pigheadedness and intransigence in matters better left to the care and concern of our secular authorities. Vox Populi, Vox Dei as a precept of leadership is no longer practiced by the Catholic Church in the Philippines.

  • ryan andres

    Defiance na wala sa lugar = Jologs mentality.

    Napakagaling ni Arguelles magmanifest nitong ugaling ito.

    Hoy Arguelles, magsama sama nga kayo nyang mga bishops at sumakay kayo sa SUV ninyo, pararatrat natin kay Supotinendent Marantado para magkasilbi naman ang pagiging bloodthirsty nya!

  • jeposky

    I thought hindi nakikialam ang simbahan sa gobyerno?  Nasaan na ang separation of church and state?  Saka ang problema din naman, hindi naman lahat ng tao sa pinas eh katoliko.  Ang batas na ito ay pangkalahatan.  Kung ayaw ng simbahan sa batas na ito, himukin nila ang kanilang myembro na huwag gumamit nito, hindi yung hahadlangan nila ang isang batas para sa lahat.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Change in the behavior of the catholic church hierarchy and clergy members will not come from them voluntarily.  It is up to the Catholics to effect the necessary change if this religion is to survive continuing decline.

    Perhaps if the Catholics will do a ‘strike’ type move as in not attending masses, donating money and letting their children go on extended vacation from Catholic schools until the Catholic church realizes their follies, nothing will make these church leaders change.

  • jinx

    Daldalera si father, mukhang tabingi.

  • brunogiordano

    “They say the Church is old-fashioned but we’re just defending life and trying to strengthen the family because (the RH law) would destroy our culture and that is in the program of these foreigners who were with them,” Arguelles said.”

    Hindi lang kami ang may sabi niya.

    Si cardinal MARTINI mismo ang may sabi na ang VATICAN ay 200 years behind.

    At ang marami ninyong pari at madre na may PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL thinking ay nagsasabi din na passé na ang MORALIDAD na inyong nais ipasunod.

    Arguelles mas magaling ka ba kaysa kay MARTINI??????

  • panhase

    Arguelles said that reconciliation “because it could be misconstrued by others as a move that the Church has already “approved the …. RH law”
    The Church is in no position to approve or to disapprove a law. They do not have a mandate for that.
    What a clown.

  • brunogiordano

    “Church: No reconciliation while RH law is in effect”

    GREAT!!!!!

    May tamang dahilan na ang mga maraming FRUSTRATED CATHOLICS sa CBCP na maging religiously unaffiliated (NONES) ngayon.

  • Bayang_magiliw

    CBCP, so being a catholic is a privilege?

  • green_archer09

    Where is the “humble” church that Cardinal Tagle spoke of? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    Eh di wag mag-reconcile! See if I care! Belat! Hahaha! Andaming mas progressive na Christian groups dyan no! 

  • Max Tandan

    HYPOCRITES, WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING, IS PNOY IN YOUR LISTS AFTER THE BRUTAL KILLING OF OUR HERO – JOSE RIZAL?

  • dickenhead

    haughty & arrogant that’s what this hypocrite priest & bishops are.I say to the gov’t. let em lick their wounds, then let’s hit them agin with the divorce bill 

    • teekaye2

      I agree and lets hope the voters ignore the Church and vote for what they want not for what these ignorant Bishops tell them to do. Aquino if re elected will go a long way to putting the Catholic Church on notice that they are irrellavent when it comes to governing the Country

  • macmacus

    a church that teaches us to reconcile to one other is not doing what they ate teaching. anu ba yan. the current bishops thinks that they are living in the spanish era when they are the government. and catholic vote? wala naman ganun.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    Ganyan ba ang kristyano? benggatibo? sumakay ka na lang Arguelles sa pajero mo na bigay ni Gloria bwa ha ha ha…kuh pal kang pari ka!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    Tang namung pari ka! ulul! gag uh! bobho! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    Don’t mind that sore loser. Let’s move on and pass a divorce bill next.

    Btw, the trick to reconciliation might be just gifting out some Pajeros?

  • Garo Ungaro

    It appears that the Catholic teachings got burned…and can not forgive?…Thats a sign of a big change from the Catholic Church before… As long as there’s a separation of the church and the state thats fine…?

  • rightist

    RH bill is supported by the people. Live with it , bishops!

  • NAGMAMARUNONG

    bishop pa naman, eh, parang bata kung umasta. you’re showing that your religion is above the state. ayaw ang separation. eh kung ganoon dapat buwisan kayo.

  • Taiko_Kauna

    Is “church & state” principle Biblical? Here’s Jesus’ take: RENDER UNTO CAESAR THE THINGS THAT ARE CAESAR’S AND UNTO GOD THE THINGS THAT ARE GOD’S.(Mat.22:21) The bishops should concentrate on spiritual matters rather than ‘poking their noses’ on the  government’s business. Besides, if anyone does not subscribe to the RH bill, how does gov’t know what’s going on at the couple’s bed? BTW, is not celibacy the highest form of birth control, which unfortunately the bible classified it as “doctrines of demons” (1 Timothy 4:1,3)

  • brunogiordano

    “If they want reconciliation, and here I do not speak for the other bishops, they should debunk the RH law first. Get rid of it,” he added.”

    Hindi ka naman pala spokesman ng CBCP,

    Kiyaw kiyaw ng kiyaw kiyaw ka diyan.

    Pag tuluyan nag away ang pamahalaan at simbahan katoliko, malamang Ikaw ang ma-GET RID.

  • at-large

    Roman catholic is the oppressor of the jews and again they want to oppress us the whole world …MGA MAN*oL*KU

  • mekeni62

    I think we will be better off if there won’t be any reconciliation even in the future. That will cut your political heads from meddling.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AIPSCQM2TZQUMQ5GEIMWMWDFL4 Edward Solilap

    The same stubborn Church leader nothing changes, now they are planning to convince people to join them for another round of a laughing stock, where were those red ribbon that could paint  the country red [because most priest were communist] now again they want to rally against politicians that voted the RH Bill ok hug Enrile, Bongbong Marcos Binay and Estrada these the people they want that cares what the church leaders want The “Trustafarians” babies.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    “Good”
         –grumpy cat.

    • marionics

      ala pa ba silang tro?????
      wawa naman…

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        sir, may access ka ba sa mga petitions ng mga ito?

      • marionics

        ala pare. i’m not even that overly curious about it. but the fact that the petitions don’t seem to warrant even setting a date for deliberations e mukhang the justices will just let it rot in the dumps of judicial bureaucracy he he

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Im kinda hoping their questions would be very good. That way, pag na answer, so it will finally be written.

        So far kasi, so-so lang ang mga arguments ng mga anti RH. And paulit ulit.

        At pag ininvoke na yung usual rcc argument na you have to be a RC in order to understand (i.e. supreme being, faith in the RCC), then reason literally flies out of the window.

        hay buhay.

      • marionics

        wala pare nakita ko na lahat ng arguments nila and really all they have is religious zealotry and lies. i don’t even read or engage them anymore. i just have fun with them now by inserting a few religious jokes (good ones i hope) here and there and bait the dumb fúcks into reacting he he

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        jokes?

        sample naman. make it good, ha.

      • marionics

        whadya think of this?

           At the Catholic hospital’s delivery room, Sister Mary Turpitude walks into the waiting room and sees three nervous men pacing. Shesays to the first, “Mike! Congratulations! Will this be your thirdbaby?”   Mike says yes, and Sister responds, “Oh, what a fine Catholictradition, having many children.”  Sister says to the second man, “Pat! Will this be your fifth child?”  Pat answers, “This will be the sixth, Sister.”   “Oh, what a blessed Catholic tradition you’re following.”  Sister turns to the third man. “I’m sorry I don’t recognize you,” she said. “Is this your first child?”  The man replies, “This will be our eighth, actually.”   Sister says, “My! What an outstanding Catholic tradition!”  The man replies, “Well, actually, I’m an Anglican.  Sister replies, “You filthy protestants never could keep your pants zipped!” 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1282822923 Joan de Guzman

        .

      • marionics

        sure. it’s free

  • marionics

    reconcile THIS!!!!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       hahaha.

      nice.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2FXRN2MLXCFZATYP5OJXUBNGYA Jasper Cuña

    the priest should join politics instead of making this PR stunt everytime a new issue arises 

  • picker_blend

    big deal!!! please don’t reconcile.

  • andrew lim

    Arguelles speaks as if the Republic of the Philippines owes its existence and sovereignty to the Catholic Church.

    As if the entire nation was owned by the Catholic church and the only religion practiced here is their religion.

    Wait a minute. Why listen to Arguelles?  Why not wait for Tagle to speak?  Arguelles justified Arroyo’s electoral cheating. Arguelles backed Corona.  Arguelles is just one arrogant bishop.

  • brunogiordano

    “If (reconciliation) means we approve of what they are doing, we cannot. That is against the order of God,” he added.”

    ORDER OF GOD?????

    Baka GOD MO LANG at Ikaw lang ang binigyan ng ORDER?

    Karamihan walang natanggap na ORDER laban sa RH mula sa kanilang GOD.

    • billy gunner

      at pumatol ka naman sa order ni aquino???

  • http://twitter.com/alilimjr ali lim

    Arguelles does not speak for the CBCP. Why is media giving him “Pansin”. So sad to see a bishop who has gone loose and with an acid tongue. So sad… 

  • Adarna

    cardinal tagle mentioned last christmas about reconciliation between church and government in his homily…
    But now, another bishop is doing the opposite.

    What happened to CBCP? Nakakahiya na ang mga bishop!  Parang wala na silang consensus. 

    • motorcyclemama

       Hirap talaga maka MOVE ON pag walang PAJERO.

  • xrisp

    Hindi po ba may nag file na agad ng Divorce Bill. Ano pa po ang hindi maiisip na gayahin ng ating bansa sa ibang mga bansa na sinasbing progresibo dahil may mga ganoong silang mga batas? Ang magandang kultura ng ating bansa ay dahan dahan nating sinisira at wala na tayong ipagkakaiba sa karamihan. Let’s all be aware! Physical possession is not the usual way of the devil’s activity in humans. The devil operates(far more dangerously because we do not feel it) in the moral life of people. He blinds and confuses people with regard to the truth.

    • brunogiordano

      “The devil operates(far more dangerously because we do not feel it) in the moral life of people. He blinds and confuses people with regard to the truth.”

      Paano mo nalaman ito???

      Nakainuman mo ba ‘yong DEVIL at kinuwento ito sa iyon????

      O very PRESUMPTOUS ka lang tulad ni ARGUELLES????

      • xrisp

        Bakit po ba nagkakasala ang tao? Sino po ba ang naguudyok sa kanyang magkasala o gumawa ng kasalanan? Hindi po ba ang kalaban natin?

    • vinzerx

      LOL. By your statement, it looks like you love and accept mediocrity. Kudos for keeping the Philippines a third-world country. :)

    • motorcyclemama

       Lol.

      Our country is not your church.
      Your church is not our country.

      In our case, the country is led by a President, where your church is led by your Pope.

      Simple statements that may led you to think that either one has none of their f*cking business.

  • Carum Al Dumal

    The Catholic Church Leaders are being Childish. Where is your other Cheek?

  • redredfox

    “Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.”
    This verse from the Bible refers to all who attack the Church

    • angtangamo

      I am Superman during the day and Batman at night. I also have a fairy godmother.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

       I don’t know how you feel, but I’m pretty sick of church people. You
      know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are
      so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay
      the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone
      could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real
      estate.

  • Muhamad chan

    Dapat padala tong mga bishop na to sa jolo, sulu, tawii tawi o sa china. Tingnan ko kung uubra sila

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SQYCURACYBDY34XALFWG36IZG4 Records

      meron na mga obispo, pari don, sila ang tumutulong sa mga mahihirap don na hindi pinapansin/natutulungan ng iba…… mga….

      • Muhamad chan

        Gusto ko yung kasama nila abu sayyaf o yung mga komuniata para mabawasan ang gulo. Pangulo lng sila

  • $31701260

    good point archbishop… repair the damage first then come and be reconciled.

  • garcia677

    I, as a believer, opposed the RH law right from its maiden deliberation not because of the degradation of family culture as what these catholic bishops contend but the words of God go forth multiply and fill the earth covers the whole gamut of my opposition that’s why I always aver that the RH bill is Satan’s brainchild that he passed to Lagman, Cayetano and Santiago to author to defy God,s commandment.

     My family won’t vote for all who supported the RH law

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

       I think it’s perfectly possible to explain how the universe came about
      without bringing God into it, but I don’t know everything, and there may
      well be a God somewhere, hiding away. Actually, if he is keeping out of
      sight, it’s because he’s ashamed of his followers and all the cruelty
      and ignorance they’re responsible for promoting in his name. If I were
      him, I’d want nothing to do with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/reymond.mora.5 Reymond Mora

    I never thought a representative of Catholic Church would voice out such ideologies. When Jesus christ mocked, suffered, condemned.. did he not forgive? !!!…. .. I do not support family values degradation, such as promiscuity, divorce, same sex marriage, premarital sex and the likes.. but a law that justly regulates population is indeed a necessity. I believe most if not all of physicians also share these sentiments as well.
    Do you ,as Catholic heads do something to ensure family security??… Humanity, is no different to a bacteria or virus ,  we are a detriment not only to our country but also to the  world, we are eating our resources so fast that it is felt globally, don’t you even realize that!!…. God gave us freedom and wisdom to practice our freewill, hence we must make the most of it to rectify our misgivings before it leads to our end as humanity.
     What a Church leader should be is to model all the virtues  WE teach.

    ” The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none, but knowledge comes easily to the discerning”
                                                            Prov 14: 6 

    • entong238

      go forth multiply and fill the earth is God’s commandment see genesis if truly you have faith in Him… Fill the earth and not to depopulate

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

         The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
        in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving
        control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a
        misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
        pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent
        bully.

  • dorothyanne88

    Calling all voters who have faith in God. This is the ripe time for us to unify and teach a lesson to these legislators who tinkered with God’s word that we are bent and ready to fight and die for God’s glory and honor. Let’s all campaign and not vote for them this coming election period.

    Let us all actualize our Faith in God through action for Faith without action is dead

    • angtangamo

       Why don’t you go ahead and set yourself on fire in front of the House of Representatives to show your displeasure with the RH Bill? Like you said, Faith without action is dead. Put your money where your mouth is and do it.

      • Carl Tomacruz

        The Buddhist monks in South Vietnam knew how to put the money where their mouths were. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3EVZJWMRCKXUGSOXGCZCETRDGI brix

       I don’t think you are going to succeed because majority of the people are in favor of RH Bill. You were not successful during the time of Flavier. Wake up guys, wala na tayo sa panahon ni Padre Damaso. Sobrang open minded na ang mga tao and do not follow the dogma of the church.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4GY2YEB4LB44XOKS67O56D56A celso

      Calling all voters who have faith in God, let’s repudiate all these hypocrites who act and talk like they are god themselves, kasali ka na dorotyanne88, those people who actualized their faith in GMA’s generosity, who believe Imelda Marcos to be the friend of the people, and those who see Kit Tatad’s smirk as the most pleasant smile.

    • TheHappyAgnostic

      ready to fight and die for god’s glory and honor? why fight and die… hindi ba kaya ng diyos mo na ipagtanggol ang kanyang sarili? 

      “why does god need with a starship?” … capt. kirk, star trek v, the final frontier.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

       Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man … living
      in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And
      the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you
      to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special
      place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to
      live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the
      end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs
      money..lots of it..and many followers to keep giving him money, and prestige..and power, to interfere in peoples lives, to tell them what to think and do, to take away free will and keep them ignorant..

      • TJ Sese

         I miss George Carlin

  • basilionisisa

    thanks for being magnanimous, Mr President, for being first to ask for reconciliation with the Church, but you didn’t have to. But since that you’ve done it and outright rejected… let it be!

    Be the voice of the people, Mr President, and ignore them (CBCP- bishops from hell!) from now on. You don’t need them even for votes. The Silent Majority is behind you.

  • wawangpenoy

    Arguelles  delusional, big time!!!

    Good riddance.

  • tunderlulo

    Sa RH law na ito nakikita ang mga galamay ng demonyo at ng Diyos. 

    • brunogiordano

      “Sa RH law na ito nakikita ang mga galamay ng demonyo at ng Diyos. ”

      TAMA!!!!

      Very OBVIOUS na ang galamay ng DEMONYO ay iyong mga anti- RH!!!!!!!!!!

      At ang mga pro-RH ay mga maka-TAO.

    • upupperclassman

      Nakikita ang demonyo san simbahan katoliko. Marami diyan.

  • ang_dagat

    Mr President, you are the ELECTED leader of the Filipino people. As such you do what they ask. So far you are doing a fairly good job.
    On the other hand this Archbishop is a church leader, appointed by the church and not the people. 
    You have no obligation to reconcile with him as he wants you to go against what the Filipino people asked of you.
    Your appointment of Morales as Ombudsman is a credit to you. Instead of worrying about what the church has to say, consider appointing a Police Ombudsman and then we will be getting somewhere.

  • vinzerx

    Pretty sure God doesn’t want anything to do with people who forcibly takes away freedoms for others.

  • upupperclassman

    President Aquino should stop talking to the archbishop, bishop or even the cardinal of the catholic church. Just simply ignore them. Who are they to tell us how to live our life when they do not live a complete life with a family.

  • vinzerx

    Sira ata Disqus. Di pumupunta sa tamang comment yung reply.

  • Rogelio Y. Dela Cruz

    Dahil ba gusto ng CBCP susunod na ang gobyerno natin? What about yung gusto o ayaw ng ibang denomination?

    Kung may gustong baguhin ang gobyerno sa CBCP, susunod ba naman ang mga bishop?

  • filemon garcia

          Itong mga paring nakontra sa RH law ay hindi kasi nakakaranas humawak ng responsibilidad bilang ama dahil hindi naman sila pwedeng magasawa. Kaya dapat ay manahimik na lamang sila dahil hindi naman sila ang nagpapatakbo ng mga proyekto sa pagsasaayos ng lipunan. Hanggang moral order na lamang dapat ang kanilang asikasunin para magawa nila ang kanilang trabaho. Ang gusto kasi nila ay sila ang susundin ng gobyerno!!!

  • tra6Gpeche

    So what does it mean if there is no reconciliation between
    Mr. Aquino and the Philippine Catholic Church? Too much arrogance on the side
    of these Archbishops and Bishops! I hope these pretenders and hypocrites do not
    100% think that God is on their side.

  • Albert Einstien

    walang mananalo ni ISANG ORIGINAL na LP….dahil sa RH….totoong mahina ang influencia ng RCC sa  RP..di tulad ng INC almost 100% ang sumusunod sa UTOS nila…dito sa RP with approximately 92.5% of the  100 million  population belonging to the Christian faith…kahit 15% lang ang sumunod sa UTOS nila….malaking MAWAWALA na sa POLITICAL ASPIRANT yun at DAGDAG sa mga i-enendorse nila…parang DAG-DAG BAWAS yan..times two ang NET  effect…….kaya prediction ko kahit isa na ORIGINAL LP hindi lalabas sa senado ( as show of protest by RCC to pnoy )…. pero para sa akin  isa lang ang PWEDE kong  iboto sa UNA si RED CROSS GORDON lang lagi sila tumutulong sa mga nasalanta ..kahit walang kamera at tv coverage at lagi sila NAUUNA at NAHUHULI sa CALAMITY SITES..habang nag-gugudtime at nag-paparty pa ang mga opisyal ng gobyerno………sayang sana tumakbo na lang sila mmda tolentino, doj-de lima, comelec brilliantes, gibo at bayani para me matino naman na kandidato….  :  > )

  • marionics

     
      Several years ago, the Catholic Church required women to wear a
    head covering in order to enter the sanctuary. One Sunday a lady
    arrived without her head covering. The priest informs her that she
    cannot enter without it.
      A few moments later, the lady re-appears wearing her blouse tied
    to her head.
      The shocked priest says, “Madam, I cannot allow you to enter this
    holy place without your wearing a blouse.”
      “But Father, I have a divine right,” she informs.
      “Yes, I see. And your left one isn’t bad either, but you still
    must wear a blouse to enter *this* church!” he insists.
     

  • TheHappyAgnostic

    the catholic church will continue licking its wounds. don’t expect an outright concession  for the catholic church is too slow to learn. it took 350 years for the catholic church to admit that galileo was right.

  • READMENOW2011

    History may repeat itself.
    Herodes and Pnoy parallel reigns. 

    “The reign of Herod (The Great) is naturally divided into three periods:
    37-25 B. C., years of development; 25-13, royal splendour; 13-4, domestic
    troubles and tragedies.”

    Pnoy may now enjoy a significant trust rating, with budget surplus, promising
    & upbeat stock market. But like Herodes, Pnoy Aquino adopted a policy and
    signed into law that would slaughter millions of unborn babies.
    Following the Leftist line,  like RHB (Riza Hotiveros
    Baraquel or Reproductive Health Bill) is inclined to the culture of DEATH
    (Divorce, Euthanasia 

    The curse of God will last for
    generations. However, Pnoy is the last Aquino in his linage.

    • magsasakasanayon

      another idiot with a keyboard. tsk tsk.

    • motorcyclemama

       Lagot tayo! Di nga?

  • Mark Philip Wu

    And they have the gall to call pro-RH people the divisive ones, when they’re the ones who are unwilling to let things go? 

    Nobody is calling on the Catholic church to approved of the RH Bill, just for them to stay out of it and do all their preaching inside the church, not outside of it. Whatever you may think of the RH Bill, allow people to have a different opinion on it and don’t be so upset just because people don’t agree with you

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

    ” I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is
    absolute—where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he
    be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his
    parishioners for whom to vote—where no church or church school is
    granted any public funds or political preference—and where no man is
    denied public office merely because his religion differs from the
    President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. I
    believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant
    nor Jewish—where no public official either requests or accepts
    instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of
    Churches or any other ecclesiastical source—where no religious body
    seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general
    populace or the public acts of its officials—and where religious liberty
    is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act
    against all. […] I do not speak for my church on public matters—and
    the church does not speak for me. Whatever issue may come before me as
    President—on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other
    subject—I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in
    accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest,
    and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no
    power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise. But if
    the time should ever come—and I do not concede any conflict to be even
    remotely possible—when my office would require me to either violate my
    conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the
    office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same.” President John F. Kennedy

    In Article 2 “Declaration of Principles and State Policies”, Section VI, the 1973 Constitution of the Philippines repeats the phrase from the 1973 constitution, “The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable.”(Article
    II, Section 6), and, No law shall be made respecting an establishment
    of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise
    and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without
    discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious
    test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.
    (Article III, Section 5). However; The Catholic Church takes views on political issues, and tries to
    influence legislation (affecting all the residents of a country, not
    just Catholics) on matters it considers relevant.

    The preamble in Act Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia (1786),
    affirms that “the Author of our Religion gave us our ‘free will.’” And
    that He “chose not to propagate it by coercions.”

    • mhertz

      And look at America now, they started to become communist..

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        another american attack. i would lot better be poor in america than i would here, at least we dont bow down to another country the vatican..you dont see hundreds of poor kids working in the garbage dumps or begging in the streets. you dont see 13 or 14 year old girls running around pregeant like you do here.if america is so bad why is the good catholics from latin america risking their lives by the thousands trying to get in and why does america have to spend billions of dollars trying to keep them out

      • mhertz

        it is not an american attack, it is what happening now. The government impose to people to do things like fund abortion even if does’nt coincide with what they believe there is no more freedom of religion like China. And im not saying that Philippines is rich than america. Yes, nobody is begging in the streets because in america they are killed through abortions in millions.

      • teekaye2

         America is still a far better place to live in than the Philippines dont you think?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

     “Religious institutions that use government power in support of
    themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no
    faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an
    established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own
    people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the
    ‘wall of separation between church and state,’ therefore, is absolutely
    essential in a free society.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

  • marionics

    What’s the best thing about working in the Vatican?
    No office collections for weddings or pregnancies.
     
     
     
    Photons have mass? I didn’t even know they were Catholic.
     
     
     
    How many Roman Catholics does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    Two, one to screw it in, the other to repent.
     
     
     
    Hear about the guy that was half Jewish and half Catholic?
    He brought his lawyer with him to confession.
     
     
     
    What’s the name of the new Catholic sperm bank?
    “Kingdom Come.”
     
     
     
    Hear about the Catholic Women’s Orchestra?
    It had to break up when their rhythm section got knocked up?
     
     
     

    • ODAPAIN

      AMEN

    • ang_dagat

      Haha. The last one was very funny.

    • mhertz

      whee, hindi nga, nagkapagtrabaho kaba sa vatican, para maging reliable ang sinasabi mo..haha

    • mhertz

      just for laughs!!lol

  • marionics

     
     
      A four year old Catholic boy was playing with a four year old
    Protestant girl in a children’s pool in the backyard. They splashed
    each other, got very wet and decided to take their wet clothes off.
      The little boy looked at the little girl and said, “Golly, I
    didn’t know there was that much difference between Catholics and
    Protestants.”
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4QAIR53YIPJLMPSQJZTOJIGBVI Jaz

    Ok lang Mr, President, kakampi mo naman ang majority ng mga Pinoy sa isyung ito.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

     “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from
    these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in
    blood for centuries.”

    ―James Madison

  • mabyrik

    What a sham//eless this bishop Arguelles is. 

    First, he said “Everybody Cheats anyway”, in defense of the most unpopular and most cor/rupt president ever (to complement another unpopular and cor/rupt president named marcos). 

    Well, I understand him. After all, he, along with his equally unconscionable bishops received bribery in the form of donations consisting of brand new SUV’s, cars, money, etc but in return, they had to turn their backs on her corruption scandals, gave her blessings (for what purpose I don’t know), used the pulpits to fool the people by spreading the words that GMA was honest, won the election fair and square and the best president ever. See what money can do? 

    Now he said ” “If (reconciliation) means we approve of what they are doing, we cannot. That is against the order of God,” he added. 

    What God is he talking about? It looks to me, he is a godless religious leader who preached  teachings contrary to what his church stood for.His robe signifies nothing except a prop to show he is a bishop, perhaps as a lure to get donations only, nothing more. 

    God does not approve cheating, whether in election or at any given time. He taught us to be honest and trustworthy. God also taught us to be reconciliatory and to forgive those who wronged us.Di ba may nakalagay sa bible, “Pag binato ka ng bato, batuhin mo ng tinapay”. So, what is this arguelles talking about?

    I have a feeling that Arguelles has already lost his senses by coming out with statements contrary to what GMRC is putting into the minds of young kids . The problem is, his friends in the church don’t know it for they themselves have also lost their sense and sensibility. What is happening to the church then? 

    What a shame.    

    • mhertz

      “We don’t regret that we were treated very badly [but] we regret that if we reconcile with the government, we would be part of their inequity,” Arguelles said.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/65XR2V5MSRJXEXEHYTVUF5FN2I mykk

    so what?! if they win will they do the same? will they ask the government for reconciliation?

    • ODAPAIN

      WTF,loose or win its non of their business,CBCP does not pay taxes so they have no right speaking on government affairs

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=779014300 Enertia Tan

        they are paying taxes like all of us did. when they pay electric bills, they pay tax; when the buy clothes they pay tax. every expense they pay tax.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3X63ERZIWTOMAG3YCZLV4WBKU4 eric

        do you even file your income tax return? if you do, you should know what tax is being referred to in this discussion.

      • Jane Tan

        ….another casualty of the Philippines Education System.

      • marionics

        kasi nga 100 students per classroom e he he

      • Jane Tan

        tapos gusto pa niya 200 per classroom hehehe… 

        sana naman napansin niya na naging malaking rason siya para ipasa ang RH Bill.

      • teekaye2

         I think you miss the point they may or may not pay taxes , but they are exempt from most taxes . I suggest make them pay all the taxes that should be paying jnto a special disaster fund and use that to help the needy in times of natural disasters.

  • dickenhead

    TAX the BASTARDS!

  • Guest

    to the damasos and the bishops:
    you should now realize that you are irrelevant!!!
     

    • mhertz

      dibale ng irrelevant sau, whuag lang sa Dios..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SUZF4IVEV6CG4KRCTDIPNAGGAI liloy

    e ano ngayon………………

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4C2SFYIH52Y2KR7QPZPHJO2XQQ sl1

    This bishop is not a messenger of God but the messenger of someone else. How could he not accept reconciliation….is this guy really a bishop or a priest or a devil in priest form?

    • mhertz

      For Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles, there is no way that the he will ‘reconcile” the morality with immorality.Reacting to Malacañang’s call for reconciliation after the dispute over the controversial Reproductive Health Law, Arguelles said there is no way that the Church can accept the measure.
      “If they want reconciliation, then they should debunk the law. It should be removed,” Arguelles said.

  • mhertz

    mag pyesta na naman dito ang mga comment ng mga anti-Catholic..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

       kaya pakisabi sa mga bishop mo tumigil ng magpress realease ng kabalastugan…

      • mhertz

        pki mo, eh di mag press release ka din ng sarili mo,,,bkit artistahin kaba? lol…at kahit wlang sinasabi ang bishop kahit news lang about Catholics nag pye-pyista ang mga anti sa ka-ka comment na wlang kuwenta..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         eh nagrereklamo ka na magpipista ang mga kokontra sa kanlang kabalastugang press release eh…hindi lahat na kumokontra sa pahayag ng mga damasong eto eh anti-catholic, sa totoo lang karamihan dito ay katoliko…

      • mhertz

        wehh, ang daling namang sabihin na wlang basihan…basta lang may masabi…kawawa naman..atsaka parekoy masyado ka atang nega, galit kaba sa mundo? hindi po ako nagre-reklamo na may mga nag-comment nagpahayag lang ako ng aking napapansin..kung gusto mo mag comment ka ng magcomment ng mga kabalastugan yun ang paborito mong i comment pansin ko..wlang pipigil sau..kung doon ka masaya..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         sabihan mo na lang yang mga damaso mong bishop na tigilan na yang putak na putak ng kung ano anong kabalastugan ng hindi pagpiyestahan ng batikos…

      • mhertz

        bat ka nang u-utos takot mo lang no..haha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         ikaw nalalng mas close ka ke damaso eh, baka pakinggan ka…

      • mhertz

        haahha..wla akong kilalang damaso..baka ikaw lang nakaka alam..

  • mhertz

    .

  • mhertz

    Catholic church pay taxes if you don’t know. Ask the BIR…

    • Ricky Bobby

      You’re wrong. Ask the BIR.

      • mhertz

        then better yet, read the book law on income and taxation..the Catholic church pay taxes..they provide  receipt..if you don’t know..

      • TheHappyAgnostic

        better yet read the taxation code. the receipt that they give does not necessarily mean that they pay taxes… it is just an acknowledgement of payment. so what kind of tax exemptions the religious organizations get… real estate tax, income tax, donor tax. the church being a “non-profit and non-stock” organization has no vat, capital gains, and corporate taxes.

      • mhertz

        the catholic church is exempt from paying realty tax for all property directly engaged in education, religion. that is the only thing the church is exempt from paying.how about the donations from its members? the BIR does not bother to tax the donor (under the law it is donor that pays for donors tax not the donee which is the church), why would you tax a 5 peso donation?for everything else the church is taxed. At bakit, yung nagbibigay sa Church na tax na yun ng government ang mga respective income nila..double taxation na yan..At is pa malaki ang pinag kaiba ng Acknowledgment receipt sa Official receipt. At hindi po acknowledgment receipt ang binibigay nila.

      • Ricky Bobby

        Why don’t you share us the exact line where it says that since you know so much about it? 

        It is common knowledge that Churches do not pay tax. If this belief is wrong (which I highly doubt) I’m willing to bet that they pay a minuscule fraction of what normal people pay considering the amount of money they rake in.

      • mhertz

        My taxation book is in the Philippines, better ask Tax Law professor with the exact line for law provision  of what kind of tax did the church pay. For me, the individuals who give tithes to the church in their own freewill have alredy paid tax to the government. So why would the government again tax the church. It is the donor who already paid for the tax. And besides not one of the Church leaders can own the church property it is used by the public and for everyones utilization. The church is everyones home if they choose to. And why would anyone who don’t give anything to the church are the ones who are accounting the money? EPAL? If you don’t like going to church then don’t go. And if we like to go to church then it is not your problem.

      • Ricky Bobby

        You keep claiming that the church is taxed but you tell me that I should find a tax law professor to explain? Obviously, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

        Your logic that “since the donor is already taxed then the church should not be taxed again” does not make sense at all. In the normal world, all transactions are taxed. You get your paycheck and it’s taxed, you go to a movie theater and pay for the ticket and it’s taxed again.

        Also, it’s not about non-church goers auditing the churches. The discussion is that the church should not interfere with politics. If they want a say in the way the government is run, then they should pay tax like everybody else.

        Seriously, I really don’t have any qualms about the church not paying taxes. I just don’t like it when they use their religion to muscle politicians. It’s disgusting and almost like blackmail/terrorism.

      • mhertz

        If you don’t believe me, then it is not my problem.That is what we studied in Income taxation. If you want to know the truth then seek for yourself. I’m not paid to educate you. Btw  It is not only the Church who make stand against government policy but also the people who have the same faith and believe in the teaching of the church. So don’t single out the church. Everyone has the  right for freedom of expression. You are not the only  one who is given the privilege so don’t feel so special. Even if you are pro-government then you are not the only taxpayer in the Philippines.

      • Ricky Bobby

        You’re right! I don’t believe you and I don’t plan on pursuing it any further since I already know the answer. You are not “paid to educate” me and I don’t think anyone in their right minds would (pay). You don’t even know the difference between right and privilege.

        Please stop making this about me. It’s about the church trying to control the government through blackmail. It’s really as simple as that. Fortunately, their old antics are not as effective as before. Separation between church and state! Like how it should be.

        And oh, btw, I’m not pro government (as you ignorantly assumed), I’m pro right. (and I don’t mean right as in free speech, go figure).

      • BawalAngReklamador

        NAPAHIYA ka tuloy..

      • don alto

        WEHHHHH ….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNAC47GDNU36VFUCQJPMQQCI6Q trevor.evans62

     I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all,
    unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there
    for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all
    the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no
    one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring
    pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I
    offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to “God” are all
    answered at about the same 50% rate

    • mhertz

      isa lang ibig sabihin nun..sun lover kana..ako nga beach lover..lol

    • Baruk1

      Don’t worry, there so many around honoring the Sun following Mithraism. Day of the Sun .. Sunday.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        hello baruk got your message so will contact. know what you are talking because i know what the real sabbath is.i was in the other article about the woman with 22 kids. lots of hate and hostilty there.

      • Baruk1

        Thanks for your support.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        wonder what happened to our friend. never did get a straight answer from him

      • Baruk1

        He will appear. Just watch.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        looking forward to it

    • TJ Sese

      I still prefer Joe Pesci. A baseball bat has a more resounding THUD! compared to skin cancer.
      George Carlin may be gone from this world but his words will always debunk religion all the time

    • Baruk1

      Constantine, in 321 AD decreed Sun day would be a day of rest. The Catholic implement it. The protestant go with it. All the main Christians including Jehovah, INC, Baptist, Uniting Church, and others you name it, followed it except for the few. 

      It is not just Sun day worship that mainstream Christianity borrowed from Mithraism. But December 25 was a very important day to pagans, as the birthday of Mithra: “The 25th of December… was held at the Natalis invicti solis, ‘The birth-day of the unconquered Sun’” 

      You may become a celebrity promoting Sun worshiper. Mithraism and Babylon the Mystery Religion have a part in the Mark of the Beast before Jesus Christ comeback as King of kings and Lord of lords.

  • mhertz

    For Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles, there is no way that the he will ‘reconcile” the morality with immorality.Reacting to Malacañang’s call for reconciliation after the dispute over the controversial Reproductive Health Law, Arguelles said there is no way that the Church can accept the measure.
    “If they want reconciliation, then they should debunk the law. It should be removed,” Arguelles said.

  • gatdila

     Archbishop Ramon Arguelles words are useless just like his testicles.

  • feargo

    whatever happened to ‘turn the other cheek’? methinks the good bishop ought to read again the sermon on the mount.

    • mhertz

      For Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles, there is no way that the he will ‘reconcile” the morality with immorality.Reacting to Malacañang’s call for reconciliation after the dispute over the controversial Reproductive Health Law, Arguelles said there is no way that the Church can accept the measure.
      “If they want reconciliation, then they should debunk the law. It should be removed,” Arguelles said.

      • Magsasaka

        who has morality?the church?wake up dude, when an institution is cuddling a rapist priest(cabonce) and basking that the rapist priest is only answerable to the pope is that morality to you?when a gay priest(garcia) had sex with two minors and was promoted by giving him the power over a young boys program is that morality to you?when a monsignor tried to hide and steal the fund for ondoy’s victim and the church did nothing about it is that morality to you?
        when the 7 damasos asked for pajeros is that morality to you?when most of the bishops live like a king is that morality to you?

      • marionics

        uuuuh…yes?

        bwahahaha

      • Magsasaka

        then morality=immorality hehehe

      • mhertz

        You don’t leave Jesus because of Judas. To name the few who have fallen from their vocation. Base in your opinion, did you  give justice to those many who have serve with dignity?

      • Magsasaka

        jesus is not the church bear that in mind, religion is not god.

      • mhertz

        Jesus is not the Church but He commanded to build His church on earth. Religion is not God, but if we choose to do assembly in our religion for our God. Then we don’t ask penny from you, again it is not your problem. And we don’t care if you opted to worship God in your own home.

      • Magsasaka

        yes he commanded his church on earth and that is christianity not RCC not a religion, he assembled his flocked but he did not ask for anything he even fed them, i care when those gullible poor people are being used for the enrichment of a cult fronting as religion

      • mhertz

        you don’t know what you are saying, study the faith rather than opening your mouth with ignorance.. Catholicism is Chrisitianity  they were the first Christian prior to the REformation. Catholic means universal. Stop spreading lies, just to credit yourself.  Or not unless you just want to malign others faith. Don’t worry you are not alone, I already met more people like you. May you find happiness in your own doing.

      • Magsasaka

        it seems that you are on the ignorant side by claiming RCC is christianity, christianity was founded by jesus and RCC was founded by constantine the time was a. d. 325, you need a lot of reading because i have also met a lot of mangmang like you

    • don alto

      Sorry Brod, pero HINDI yata alam ng mga Catholic Bishops yang Sermon on the Mount …. ewan ko ha !!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

    does the palace care? or the people for that matter? nanakot pa baka ikokondem ang gobyerno, noon nga ex-communication ang pangtakot ninyo wala ring silbi eh, sino ba yang CBCP na yan, para bang me bigat yung kung ano man yung sasabihin nila…wake up wala ng silbi yang kung ano man ang inyong position…

    • mhertz

      sayonng paningin wlang silbi pero hindi lahat ng tao katulad mo mag-isip.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         tingnan mo na lang dito sa mga comments…gumising ka na rin, walang natatakot sa sa mga sinsabi ng mga damaso mong obispo…

      • mhertz

        eh bakit sino ba ang nanakot, ikaw lang ata feeling takot..hahah

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

        binasa mo ba etong artikulo? di ba pananakot ng mga damaso mo? wawaa mo naman nagiisa kang “katoliko” dito…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        owwsss….you don’t know how to count…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         ows dalawa na kayo?  mhertz/bert sounds alike ngo ngo lang yung isa…

      • marionics

        pre ikaw lang pumapatol diyan. tyaga mo chong

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

        hehehe walang magawa eh…thanks anyway

      • mhertz

        rene/marionics..magaling sa kayabangan..tsk..tsk..ano kaya ang nagawa nila sa kapwa?

      • marionics

        you have no idea he he

      • mhertz

        kahit mag-isa akong Katoliko kailan may di ako maawa sa sarili ko, kung sa tao lang mang gagaling ang husga.Self-pity is the work of devil’s lies. Ikaw baka uusok ka na diyan sa silakbo ng yung damdamin..hahah.After all, we all leave everything in this world  behind. Why be emotionally bothered with the haters..They will never be happy with too much hate in their hearts. Yung iba nga tinatakot daw sila, parang naging paranoid lang..hahah..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      you won’t be this reactive kung wala ngang silbi….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         just to emphasize na wala talagang silbi…

  • kilabot

    reconciliation or not. 
    the world agenda is to make the abnormal the new normal; 
    1) dangerous drugs; 
    2) same-sex marriage; 
    3) man-beast union; 
    4) prostitution; 
    5) pedophilia; 
    6) abortion; 

    the agenda is being pushed around the world; 
    some countries have already legalized one or more of the agenda items; 
    the push is intensifying; targeting world leaders and people of influence; 
    uk, france, netherlands, spain, sweden, southafrica, argentina and canada have fallen; 
    obama, clinton and carter have fallen; the whole usa may fall soon; 
    noykapon has fallen; so do many ph politicians and academics; ph on the verge of falling; 

    everything will be redefined; 
    freedom means free condom; 
    $sodomy becomes love; bestialisex is affection; a toilet bowl becomes a sex object; 
    a junkie is chic; a prostitute is enterprising; 
    adopting the agenda is equated to progress, prosperity and advancement; 

    the idea is to make the world one big orgy; all people thinking, behaving and acting alike; 
    one world order; the reign of the great pervert; 
    there will be no more right nor wrong; there is only normal perversion; 

    time to choose which side you are on; fence-sitting not recommended. 
    do something against perversion. help rehabilitate a pervert; 

    No to perversion!
    No to rhlaw.

    • TheHappyAgnostic

       slippery slope scare tactics is a perverted argument

  • $14170612

    thay cannot be reconciled both are corrupt and evil the catholic church and the government  they will be reconciled in hell….

    • mhertz

      why are you the judge in hell?

      • $14170612

         so you are clean man

  • marionics

    Catholic Dictionary
    ——————-

    AMEN:
    The only part of a prayer that everyone knows.

    BULLETIN:
    1. Parish information, read only during the homily.
     2. Catholic air conditioning.
    3. Your receipt for attending Mass.

    CHOIR:
     A group of people whose singing allows the rest of the
    congregation to lip-sync.

    HOLY WATER:
    A liquid whose chemical formula is H2OLY.

    HYMN:
    A song of praise, usually sung in a key three octaves
    higher than that of the congregation’s range.

    RECESSIONAL HYMN:
    The last song at Mass, often sung a little more quietly,
    since most of the people have already left.

    INCENSE:
    Holy Smoke!

    JESUITS:
    An order of priests known for their ability to found colleges
    with good basketball teams.

    JONAH:
    The original “Jaws” story.

    JUSTICE:
    When kids have kids of their own.

    KYRIE ELIEISON:
    The only Greek words that most Catholics can recognize besides
    gyros and baklava.

    MAGI:
     The most famous trio to attend a baby shower.

    MANGER:
    1. Where Mary gave birth to Jesus because Joseph wasn’t covered
    by an HMO.
    2. The Bible’s way of showing us that holiday travel has always
    been rough.

    PEW:
    A medieval torture device still found in Catholic Churches.

    PROCESSION:
    The ceremonial formation at the beginning of Mass, consisting of
    altar servers, the celebrant, and late parishioners looking for seats.

    RECESSIONAL:
    The ceremonial procession at the conclusion of Mass – led
    by parishioners trying to beat the crowd to the parking lot.

    RELICS:
    People who have been going to Mass for so long, they actually know
    when to sit, kneel, and stand.

    TEN COMMANDMENTS:
    The most important Top Ten list not given by David Letterman.

    USHERS:
     The only people in the parish who don’t know the seating capacity
    of a pew.

     MASTURBATION:
    The act done when little boys are not readily available to molest.

    • mhertz

      dapat tawag niyan Marionic dictionary eh ikaw may gawa niyan diba? lol..

      • marionics

        how i wish

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        your wish is your command…..

    • Ricky Bobby

      MASTURBATION:
      The act done when little boys are not readily available to molest.

      • marionics

        pinasok ko na pre he he

    • TJ Sese

       NICE!!! Cool dude! :)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PKCBJL735R3NJHXPQH2A5VHR2E Jenny

      Hahahaha, you got it right. Bulls eye

    • nelson quijano

       ohh….here is the son of satan the devil.

      • marionics

        damien?

        bwahahaha

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        nope, just an apprentice…..hehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         and you are the master? hihihi

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

    If that’s what it takes for the church to observe the separation of church and state and insulate the government from damaso’s influence, THIS IS GOOD! =D

  • Ricky Bobby

    So much for forgiving your enemies and turning the other cheek…

    A bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      but even Christ also gets angry….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         ya he was very angry at those pharisees prophecing holiness like your holy damasos…

      • mhertz

        If God is for us then who can be against us.? Kahit si Rene pa yan..hahah..ayan sinusundan na kita..baka kc hanap hanapin mo pa ako..hah

  • brunogiordano

    “We don’t mind being beaten up but, for us, those who will suffer in the end [due to the RH bill] are our people and the country,” he added.”

    Your people(CONSERVATIVE/FUNDAMENTALIST Catholics) are not going to suffer.

    BECAUSE they will follow YOU.They will not avail of the FREE CONDOMS and CONTRACEPTIVES to be given by DOH.

    The PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL Catholics and the religiously unaffiliated (NONES) are not your PEOPLE.

    So better shut up ’cause RH does not concern you and your people.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    What a bunch of spoiled crybabies. How, exactly, were they treated badly, for instance? They had FAR more influence than they legally should have, the bloody law was amended to cater to them, and even so that they could legally continue to keep lying about the RH Bill. If anything they were bloody catered to.

    Fortunately, Tagle appears to have more sense. Arguelles is an idiot, almost as stupid as Palma.

  • Magsasaka

    against god’s order ang alin?eh ang diyos ng RCC ay pera

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4GY2YEB4LB44XOKS67O56D56A celso

      Tama ka General. Sa Cebu, may misa every hour from 5am to 7pm for nine days until the Sinulog fiesta on sunday. Accdg to estimates, 5-10T devotees per mass are in attendance. you do the math kung magkano ang papasok sa collection after nine novena days, and that’s tax free. During the quiapo feast of the black nazarene, almost 300 tons of garbage were dump on the city streets by the devotees. sa palagay mo nag bigay man lang ang simbahan ng panggastos sa paglinis ng mga kalsada?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        still, the collection is voluntary….not like the enforced 10% Tithe collection of the born againsts…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         sabi mo marami kayong “katoliko” dito ikaw lang nakikita kong kumokontra sa halos lahat ng comments dito ah, saan na si mhertz? ikaw ba din yun…lahat na at ng komento dito binara mo na, wawa ka naman, di ba naglabas kahit na konting budget si damaso?

      • mhertz

        ahahha…kesa marami o konti, huwag kang mag comment kung ayaw mong may magcomment sau..prang adik lang…

      • don alto

        NOT ENFORCED but just plain OBEDIENCE yang tungkol sa Tithe Collection  …

        Ano ang Proof? >>> Nasa BIBLE yang tungkol sa TITHING …. sa MALACHI 3:8-10 … Basa!! … >>> NOTE: Useless ito kung HINDI ka naman naniniwala sa Bibliya!

        Kaya siguro karamihan sa ating mga Catholics hindi umuunlad ang buhay dahil yung pinaka-BARYA sa mga bulsa natin ang siyang ibinibigay sa Simbahan!! 

        The TRUTH WILL SET US FREE!!

      • indiosbravos2002

        Kaya mayaman ang mga MANALO ng INC dahil sa tithing. Kaya may pera si Bro. Mike dahil sa tithing. Ang tithing di naman napupunta sa dyos kng hndi sa tao din. Yong mga taong magaling mangisa sa ibang tao

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYAZBOJYIUCRLWTYJBORBVTTOI boyfarmer

         those devotees are tax payers

  • disqusted0fu

    Pre RH law, LGUs already offered different types of artificial methods to be available for the people. Pnoy’s approval of this law has just created an even larger division to our already disunited country.

    • brunogiordano

      “Pnoy’s approval of this law has just created an even larger division to our already disunited country.”

      Kasinugalingan at hindi totoo iyan.

      Ang mga sinugaling na pari, obispo, cardinal at ilan mga alipin nilang CONSERVATIVE/FUNDAMEBTALIST Catholics lang ang mga nais humiwalay sa atin BAYAN, dahil hindi nasunod ang kanilang mga nais.

      Mga POOR, BAD and SORE LOSERS.

    • stilettoL2

       division? what division? people are not minding what they are saying. Nobody in my neighborhood which are all RC are concerned about this issue anymore.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS BRAIN WASH PILIPINOS TO BE IDIOT AND STUPID SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO! OBISPO SALOT GUS2 MAG PARAMI NG BATANG HUBO!! SA KARSADA!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BASTA OBISPO BOBO AT TANGA!! SALOT MAG SINUNGALING WAGAS!!

    • Danny Larona

       ikaw cguro hari ng kadiliman, kita naman sa salita mo

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        gus2 mo suntukan nalang tayo isama mo na si diyos mo si DAMASO! alipin ka ni monsinyor alagad ng dilim mag sinungaling wagas!! obispo salot

      • mhertz

        demonyo nga talagang tong nagkatawang tao, halata sa mga sinasabi..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    OBISPO SALOT SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO! MAYOR LITO ATIENZA ABORTIONIST PROLIFE BISHOPS SILENT KILL JOY! BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA

  • reddfrog

    They want more minions and they want it now! Sige no reconciliation. Malacanang should start taxing all Churches.

  • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

    LOL!

  • Roy Rosales

    the die is cast.these stupid bishops should realize that we are not bobo anymore.they have to realize that the separation of church and state exist and should be implemented.they are clones of their ancestors[spanish friars]who were responsible for the death and martyrdom of our national hero,bro.jose rizal,a freemason,initiated,passed and raised a mastermason in spain.his only sin is to exposed the devilish,dictatorial decrees of the spanish friars thru his noli and fili books

    • emperor2

       yes, they think we are still in the spanish era where priests own everything, from all the lands to the dalagas.

  • Hey_Dudes

    CBCP must be going through some difficult adjustments which explain their truculent attitude.  They have gotten so used during the GMA regime of regularly invited to Malacanan for state dinner, SUV’s being provided to Obispos and of regular significant donations to the church. Unfortunately, these activities no longer exist today.  It was the late Jaime cardinal Sin who said – “I don’t care where the money donated to us came from as long as we can help the poor people of the Philippines”.  That about summed it up.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    And why should the State reconcile with you/CBCP? WHO the Hell are You? Mind your own business. Your doctrine is utterly wrong, you worship icons, you worship rosary and Mary, you tolerate pagan beliefs such as Quiapo Black Nazarene……etc…..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      why should the State reconcile with you/CBCP? Ask Malacanang why….duh

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         bakit di ka magkoment ng sarili mo, kung ano ang gusto mo? yan ba ang trabaho mo, ha troll?

    • Hurtlocker1

       ABSOLUTLY!!!!

      here are some readings taken from John MacArthur, “The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood”. For further reading, go to the google search.

      There’s
      a lot that could be said about Roman Catholic theology, we could expose its
      errors which are numerous. We could talk about its sources of revelation or
      divine truth that are outside the pages of Scripture. Or we could talk about
      the corruption of the Mass. We could talk about the idea that Mary is the
      co-redemptrix which, of course, is really a blasphemous concept. We could talk
      about the idea that God is a tough guy and if anybody wants grace out of God,
      it’s only Jesus who could get it from Him, but you can’t expect to go to Jesus
      because He’s pretty tough Himself so you need to go to Mary because nobody can
      resist His mother and so she’ll talk to Him and He’ll talk to the Father and
      Mary will get you what you need…or some saint. We could talk about a lot of
      those things, concepts of purgatory, concepts of the sinlessness of Mary, a lot
      of things about Catholic theology that we would speak about, most notably their
      erroneous doctrine of justification which cuts people off from the Kingdom of
      God.

      One of the primary things that they
      stood against with regard to the Reformers was the priesthood. The Reformers
      rejected completely the idea of a special priesthood and with it they rejected
      the Catholic hierarchy which essentially is the Pope, and then the Bishops from
      whom the Cardinals are chosen and then the priests and under them the deacons.
      The Reformers rejected that in favor of the general priesthood of all
      believers. The Council of Trent said that anybody who rejects the special
      priesthood, let him be anathema and pronounced the curse of damnation on that.
      They had to preserve their hierarchical structure, that was critical to them in
      order to preserve the power. Their view is that Christ, of course, is
      ultimately the divine head of the Church, but He mediates His real authority
      through one man who is the Pope who disseminates that down through the Bishops
      and the priests carry out the functions determined by that hierarchy. 

      The Pope is where you start in the
      hierarchy and the Pope is supposed to be the direct successor to the apostle
      Peter. Christ appointed the apostle Peter to be the visible head of the Church
      and then determined that that succession would pass down through Peter to a
      line of apostles, if you will, who would bear that same authority. The Council
      of Trent said if anybody says the blessed apostle Peter was not constituted by
      Christ our Lord, prince of all apostles, and visible head of the Church, a
      primacy of honor and true jurisdiction, let him be anathema. So you’re damned
      if you assault the priesthood and you’re damned if you assault the papacy of
      Peter. According to Christ’s law in their dogma, and I’m drawing most of this
      from a book by Ludwig Ott, it’s called Catholic Dogma, it is one of
      their own systematic theology books which I’ve read through the years…but
      according to Christ’s law, Peter is to have successors in his primacy over the
      whole Church for all time, and the Council of Trent says if anyone denies that,
      let him be anathema. If anyone says the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of
      blessed Peter in the primacy, let him be anathema.

      Quoting from Catholic Dogma,
      “The Pope is judged by nobody.” Now that gives you a pretty clear
      idea of the role that he plays. He is unilaterally responsible to have
      jurisdiction over all matters of Church life. The Dogmasays the Pope is
      infallible when he speaks ex cathedra. Have you ever heard that expression? It
      simply means “out of the chair.” All that means is when he speaks,
      and it’s not some kind of formal occasion, it means when he speaks in the
      discharge of his duties as pastor and doctor over all Christians, he defines
      doctrine regarding faith and morals to be held by the universal Church and is
      possessed of that divine infallibility and therefore definitions by the Roman
      Pontiff are irreformable. He never makes a mistake and nothing he says
      therefore can ever be altered. The source of his infallibility, says the Dogma,
      is the supernatural assistance of the Holy Ghost who protects the supreme
      teacher of the Church from error. God in heaven will confirm the Pope’s
      judgment, he is preserved from error, quote.

      So you have this leader who has total
      power over the entire Church, not in their view, just those who are faithful
      Catholics, but anybody else who claims to be a Christian and has wandered
      astray, he has total power to judge over all matters of faith, that’s doctrine,
      and morals, that’s conduct, all matters of discipline, all adjudications in the
      life of the Church. And when he makes any such judgment at any point, he is
      infallible and God Himself in heaven confirms the Pope’s judgment because he is
      preserved from error. Therefore, whatever he says stands permanently as the
      truth of God and cannot be reformed, or changed.

      Well the Council of Trent in its
      thirteenth session in October of 1551 promulgated a decree concerning the most
      holy Sacrament of the Eucharist, the Mass. At the end of the decree was a list
      of canons providing anathemas for those who would reject the Council’s
      teaching. Since these canons often provide short and…they do provide short
      and succinct definitions of Roman teaching, as I said earlier, I want to give
      you some of them, especially in the concept of transubstantiation. You know,
      when Christ comes down you know how He comes down, right? They take the bread
      and the wine and the priest literally turns that into the body and blood of
      Jesus. And that’s Christ. So here are Council of Trent pronunciations.

      Canon One: If anyone denies that in the
      Sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and
      substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our
      Lord Jesus Christ and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it
      only as a sign, a figure, or force, let him be anathema. Pronounce a damnation
      on anybody who says it’s not actually Jesus Christ in the whole that the priest
      has brought down.

      Canon Two: If anyone says that in the
      sacred and holy Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of the bread and wine
      remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and denies
      that wonderful and singular change of the whole substance of the bread into the
      body and the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the appearance is only
      of bread and wine remaining which changed the Catholic Church most aptly calls
      transubstantiation, let him be anathema.

      Canon number Eight: If anyone says that
      Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also
      sacramentally and really, let him be anathema.

      This is just perverse. Eleven years
      later in 1562, the twenty-second session of Trent was held. This time the
      decree promulgated was entitled “Doctrine Concerning the Sacrifice of the
      Mass.” And the decree says this, “Inasmuch as in this divine
      sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass is contained and emulated in an
      unbloody manner, the same Christ who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on
      the altar of the cross, the holy Council then teaches that this is truly
      propitiatory and has this effect, that if we contrite and penitent with sincere
      heart and upright faith with fear and reverence draw nigh to God, we obtain
      mercy and find grace in seasonable aid. That is to say there is salvation in
      the Mass for appeased by this sacrifice, the Mass, the Lord grants the grace
      and gift of penitence and pardons even the gravest crimes and sins.” So if
      you go into the Mass with the right attitude, you come out pardoned. “For
      the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of
      priests who then offered Himself on the cross.” There’s no difference in
      what a priest does and what Jesus did on the cross. “Only the manner is
      different,” it says. This is directly quoting out of the second chapter of
      the decree called “Doctrine Concerning the Sacrifice of the Mass.”
      “The fruits of that bloody sacrifice, it is well understood, are received
      most abundantly through this unbloody one, so far is the latter from derogating
      in any way from the former. Wherefore, according to the tradition of the
      apostles, it is rightly offered not only for the sins, punishments,
      satisfactions and other necessities of the faithful who are living, but also
      for those departed in Christ but not yet fully purified.” So the Mass
      saves the people who are alive there and the people who are dead and not yet
      purified.

      You want to debate that? Listen to what
      Trent said.

      Canon number one: If anyone says that
      in the Mass a true and real sacrifice is not offered to God, or that to be
      offered is nothing else than that Christ is given to us to eat, let him be
      anathema. If anyone says by those words ‘Do this for a remembrance of Me,’ if
      you say that Christ did not institute the apostles’ priests and did not ordain
      that they and other priests should offer His own body and blood, let him be
      anathema.

      If you say that Christ did not
      institute the priesthood to offer the Mass, you’re anathema.

      Canon number three: If anyone says that
      the sacrifice of the Mass is one only of praise and thanksgiving, or that it is
      a mere commemoration of the sacrifice consecrated on the cross but not a
      propitiatory one. If you say there’s no propitiation in the Mass, or that it
      profits him only who receives and ought not to be offered for the living and
      the dead for sins, punishments, satisfactions and other necessities, let him be
      anathema.

      That is to say if you say the Mass
      isn’t propitiatory for the sins of the living and if you say it’s not
      propitiatory for the sins of the dead, you’re cursed.

      If anyone says…Canon number
      four…that by the sacrifice of the Mass a blasphemy is cast upon the most holy
      sacrifice of Christ, if you say the Mass is a blasphemy…which we would
      say…let him be anathema.

      Canon Five: If anyone says that it is a
      deception to celebrate Masses in honor of the saints and in order to obtain
      their intercession with God as the Church intends, let him be anathema.

      And as you read down these canons you
      can tell by their answer what the Reformers were saying.

      Canon Six: If anyone says that the
      canon of the Mass contains errors, let him be anathema.

      That just covers it all, doesn’t it?
      Blanket provision.

      ****************

      To read more, please google it: The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood.

      Enjoy reading…

  • Steven Rogers

    So when did failure to grovel before the bishops become “beating up” the Church?  How does putting the desires of the people above the desires of the bishops “knock down” anyone?  

  • stealth ice

    shut up bishop. you are not doing any good to the Filipinos. let the laws work itself. if you’re not happy with the RH Law then by all means dont patronage it. you may continue to practice your rythm method or abstinence if you can resist…

    you have no power over state. we are no longer under spanish regimes. Philippines is not run by bishops.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      and who told you that these priests and bishops have the power over state? And if they really don’t have, why so bothered?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         then why are you so bothered  trolling all these comments? are you the lone “crusading crook” ?( to borrow a senator’s phrase…)

    • emperor2

       stealth, they don’t need to patronize the RH law. they only do boys. can’t make them  pregnant !

  • marionics

    The local priest came across Jose who had stumbled out of 
    the town tavern.

    “Jose,” he said, ” I’m afraid I’ll not be seeing you in Heaven 
    one day.”

    “Really, Father?” slurred Jose. “What have you done?”

  • Paul Mercader

    Whatever happened to “forgiveness”?

    • brunogiordano

      “Whatever happened to “forgiveness”?”

      Pangkaraan ng daan daan taon ng pangsasamantala sa atin ng mga sinugaling na pari, obispo at cardinal, sila ang dapat humingi ng FORGIVENESS sa atin.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        ask forgiveness from born againsts? duh…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

        Ano ang “born againsts”? Hahahaha!

      • don alto

        ISA KA PA …

      • reddfrog

         Born against rape and pedophilia.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         why ask for forgiveness if you are sinless as the damasos? duh

      • don alto

        EASY …  EASY!!  

        DO NOT MAKE FUN WITH OTHER RELIGION OR YOU MIGHT REGRET IT LATER ….  

  • marionics

    A man arrives at the gates of heaven.  St. Peter asks, “Religion?”  The man says, “Episcopalian.”  St. Peter looks down his list, and says, “Go to room 24.     But be very quiet as you pass room 8.”
     Another man arrives at the gates of heaven.  St. Peter: “Religion”?  Man: “Baptist.”  St. Peter: “Go to room 18.  But be very quiet as you pass     room 8.”
     A third man arrives at the gates.  St. Peter: “Religion?”  Man: “Jewish.”  St. Peter: “Go to room 11.  But be very quiet as you pass     room 8.”
     The man asks, “I can understand there being different rooms  for different religions, but why must I be quiet when I pass  room 8?”
     St. Peter tells him, “Well, the Catholics are in room 8,  and they think they’re the only ones here.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      corny….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQPOCGSITYMSD2UTYIN4TJP56U Rene

         hit a nerve ha “katoliko”

      • don alto

        Corny raw!! >>> Hindi lang niya(Bert) na-gets, kasi English eh!! …LOL!

      • marionics

        yun din tingin ko. pero it’s not the same in tagalog e hahaha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

        I bet youre a pagan ha?

    • napali808

      Good one!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Ouch to the DAMASO.  

      BWAHAHAHA

  • marionics

    may bagong dating na troll o nagcocomment sa lahat naghahabol bwahahahaha

  • sinagbayan

    For a Church that claims to be a messenger of Christ, refusing to reconcile and to hold grudges is very immature indeed. Iyan ba ang nais ipakita ng obispo, ang magtanim ng galit?mmmm

    • reddfrog

       Messenger of Cash, hindi messenger of Christ.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    No one cares. As if naman titigil ang mundo kung ayaw nilang makipag-reconcile. Kung ayaw nila, eh di wag. See if I care! The State shall still look after its people while the priests will continue to molest the acolytes. Same old, same old. Move on, people.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    “Malacañang’s attempts to “reconcile” with the Catholic Church are futile unless the reproductive health (RH) law is repealed, a Catholic prelate said Thursday.”

    “He who ask for reconciliation (unity) will be save from the fires of hell! But he who reject to “reconcile” will be punish by God!” Pride is a part of 7 deadliest sin!

    • To_Be_Continued

      Well said…

  • iskurokutoy

    Reconcile ka d’yan! Manigas kayong mga Mitsubishop Montero at Nissan Sapari.
    Ipagdasal n’yo na lang na gumaling ang patron saint ninyong si Gloria (in Excelsis daw?) kung totoo mang may sakit.

  • AllinLawisFair

    “We are not really angry at them but it’s like they knocked us down and now they want us to be friends. After beating us up, they want us to be friends,” said Arguelles in an interview.

    Bishop Arguelles, you are a man of the Church and should be the first to work for reconciliation instead of furthering enmity. 

    You would not like it either if after they have beaten you up and knocked you down, and lying helpless on the ground they would continue to kick your butt. That is unChristian.

    Your refusal to accept the offer of reconciliation despite your differences is equally unChristian.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

      Shut da f*ck up bishop arguelles, youre despicable

      • Danny Larona

         kadiliman nga salita

  • jgl414567

    Who would want to reconcile with a hypocrite bishop like Ramon Arguelles, for all we care you can go to hell you pharisee, good riddance!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

    Most pinoys are sick of CBCP, they were kampon ng kadiliman ni GMA, na spoiled kasi sa katatanggap ng datong thats is why they are hard on PNoy kasi walang datong

    • Danny Larona

       These are comments from kadiliman. d mo ba napansin?

      • tagalinis

        at ikaw ang sa liwanag?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

    CBCP ay kampon ng kadiliman

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

    give to ceasar what is due to ceasar you freaking arguelles

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000269823948 Itchy Butt

    u just dont want to admit defeat…

    just like when galileo said the earth is not the center of our solar system…

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    Could not find a word to say for these stubborn bachelor men in robes. To all CBCP-Ipiskupal: Give RHBill a chance.

  • Seph

    Matthew 18:21-22
    Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I
    forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus
    answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
    Colossians 3:13
    Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

    Shame! SHAME on you!

    • Isa_Ka_Pa

      nadale mo pare ! mismong bishop taksil sa mga pangaral nila…mga baklang bobo !

  • To_Be_Continued

    I can only wonder  and ask: Who would Bishop Arguelles root for if he was living during the time of Christ– Barabas or Christ ?

    Your answer is as good as mine….

    That is why I feel a sense of liberation and no tinge of guilt after bolting from the Catholic church.

  • pj2003

    what you badly needed Archbishop Arguelles is to reconcile with yourself and you will be enlightened with the reality of what your faith really is. Your flock is rapidly declining because of the shepherd like you.

  • http://www.pulisnapogi.blogspot.com/ Pulis Na Pogi

    as if the catholic church still has a say over their flock…

    Hoy, gising!

    • emperor2

       only the ignoramuses still believe in them. the poor bishop is so clueless, so out-of-touch. he and his flock still think they can continue to force themselves  (literally, too) on the people.

  • ryan andres

    Bakit dun sa kabilang forum about sa “RH Bill too late for Mother of 22″ eh nagkalat ang mga zealot bishop lovers naten at dito eh wala…? Naduduwag atang mabatikos etong mga magigiting nating “defenders of the faith” katolikoks…

  • ryan andres

    Saw this online and I couldn’t stop laughing…

    Religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one and it’s fine to be proud of it, but please don’t whip it out in public and start waving it around… and PLEASE don’t try to shove it down my child’s throat.

    Sarap gawing T-shirt at iregalo kay bitchshop Argue-less…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    para hari ito obispo na ito salot!! black nazarene made in china satanas carnival tagle damaso! 

    • mhertz

      Maswerte kang wlang breeding kang nakatira sa Pilipinas. Kc pag yan pinagsasabi mo na nasa ibang bansa mga Hate words, siguradong sa bilangguan ang bagsak mo.

  • Nic Legaspi

    The battle between the Church and State re the RH bill just made me distance myself from the Catholic Church even more. The Church should be responsive to the realities of the current time. Flexibility has never been the Philippine Catholic Church’s strong suit.

  • LeoSanMig

    “We are not really angry at them but it’s like they knocked us down and now they want us to be friends. After beating us up, they want us to be friends,” Arguelles said in an interview.– I don’t think that’s how Jesus Christ thinks. We could learn so much from the way Jesus lived his life and how he sacrificed himself to save humanity. Including the good bishop from Lipa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    Actually President Pnoy no need of reconciling, all you ought to do is to plunder all their belongings and wealth, that’s all….it belongs to Filipino people…….!!!

    • Don Dee

      NO need to even do that. Just stop PAGCOR and PCSO from giving funds to these hypocrites!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4XVVCOAZXYTPN2X3IPFCFDSKFM Melvin

    Kasalan nga kaya sa Diyos ang bawasan ang naghihirap na mga tao? Ang RH Bill ay ginawang batas para matutunan ng mga nanay ang tamang pagaanak. Hindi tinuturuan i-abort ang kanilang anak. Pinapipili sila kung ano ang gusto nila sa pagpipigil sa pagdami ng kanilang anak kung natural na paraan o sa paggamit ng contraceptives, dahil hindi na nila kayang bigyan ng desenteng buhay ang kanilang anak kung dadami… Wala akong makitang mali sa batas na ito… Kaso ang mga taga simbahan basta sabi nila noong una ay ayaw nila, basta ayaw nila. Ganon sila… Kung ayaw nyo e di huwag. Wala naman problema yan sa gobyerno… O baka naman dahil nabuking ang inyong mga SUV… Aminin… 

    • latino_boom

      TAMA KA DYAN

  • anu12345

     Church: No reconciliation while RH law is in effect – caption

    Okay.

  • mon key

    hahaha! the bishops are at it again. trying to impose their beliefs on ALL Filipinos, even if NOT ALL Filipinos belong to the Catholic Church. The majority of Filipinos may profess to belong the the Roman Catholic tradition, but that should not be construed that the bishops can impose their faith and beliefs on every one. if the bishops can not reconcile with government because of the RH Bill, then the church should keep silent on ALL OTHER ISSUES where they engage government in dialogue. this stand is counter production and does not actually speak well of men who are supposed to be “learned” and highly educated. not to mention “moral”.

    • diamond_digger

      The gall of these bishop and his peers to declare such while at the same time unabashedly claim they are the GOD’s representative here on earth. Hoy mga Padre DAmaso! Did you really understand what the Bible say about Jesus CHRIST reaching out to unbelievers or otherwise enemies? Did he wait and or require Zacchaeus to be converted first before joining him for dinner in the latter’s house? You guys should remember, too that the Philippines is a secular state and in fact you are just a miniscule part of it. In family life, when a son or daughter do not like or agree to the rules of the house implemented by the parents, then said son or daughter can or may leave and find his or her own place and make his/her own set of rules. I hope that your long and seeming overstay in the seminary as students of priesthood hasn’t made your minds so dull and insensitive to the plights of the majority of the people. The funny thing is that you guys are more popish than the Pope himself and that the CBCP is higher and more learned than the Vatican Council. What if, the government would impose taxes on your church’s income and properties? Baka matatauhan kayo! The problem with you guys is that you always wanted the best of both worlds. B realistic gentlemen and half-gentlemen!

  • latino_boom

    PARANG MGA BATA LANG…EH DI WAG KUNG AYAW MO TAYO BATI…HMPP

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6LJZSGD6EGQQUMCAZQJ35GW6HY T.

    Is there no law in this country that will sanction church authorities who meddle with state affairs notwithstanding the constitutional madate of separation of church and state?

  • Garote

    The church reconciling with the pro-RH law staunch advocates (like PNoy) would be liken to the church making a blood compact with the devil himself. How can the church, with good conscience, reconcile with the thought that babies  be murdered on the altar of abortion and abortificient-cancer causing pills? The eugenic-pharmaceutical companies have done this to babies, born or unborn, in other countries, and now slowly doing it in the Phl. The reconciliation PNoy wants is like asking the church to  acquiesce to  babies being sacrificed as an offering to the devil.

    • Maitum

      I don’t understand why Babies are killed by RH Bill. Life begins at conception. When not yet conceived, there’s no life yet.

      • Garote

        Oh, you are now thinking like a god, eh. You think you are omniscient and all knowing now to decide when a being can be considered a human or not.  You are a true eugenic. Next thing you will say, like what Obama is now saying, is that a child below 3 year-old  is still considered a fetus, and should not be  not considered a person for all legalintents and purposes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    That’s BLACKMAIL plain and simple by the Catholic Church.

  • Don Dee

    Dear CBCP,

    You know that period in world history when the church was the most powerful institution, even more powerful than kings and queens? It’s called the DARK AGES for a reason. Go back and crawl into your torture chambers you backward ignorant fools.

  • don alto

    AYAW MO??? ….HUWAG MO!!!

  • Cest_moi_encore

    Rosalie Cabenan, a mother who gave birth 22 times said it right about the Roman Catholic church leaders (RH law takes effect; too late for mother of 22, Enquirer News, 18 Jan 2013)….“They tell you to go forth and multiply, but now when you ask for help, they just pass you by,” They flail far too much against the RH bill, but have keep silent about Philippine media morals (sitcoms, movies, etc) that promote all the loose morals that encourage loose morals with the general public that lead to many pregnancies. Have they organized any mass protest or march against these products that the Philippine media keeps mass producing and promoting? NONE! Yes,  these leaders are far too bigoted and limited in thinking and want to keep the masses ignorant… as Don Dee below says “DARK AGES”. Reconciliation? They don’t want this! THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE PRESIDENT!

  • zeroko

    Panahon na para patawan ang simbhahang katoliko at INC ng buwis. Talo po tayo. Magalit na sila kung magalit. Mas lalo na ang Katoliko. Hindi po ba ninyo alam na ang last Bishop from Vatican, ayon ke Nostradamus “the man who sees the future” e, demonyo daw ay magagaling s Vatican which will be the last historic battle? 

    Naalala pa ba ninyo ang yuong Butler ng Pope na sabi ay may “Power struggle” daw doon sa loob ng Vatican. Hindi ninyo nakita sa “History Channel” na nakapasok na sa loob ng Vatican hierarchy ang “Free Mason?” At hindi ba ninyo alam na ang “Free Mason” at ang Mafia way may devils pact. They may be one and the same. And they have already infiltrated the trillions of dollars wealth of the Vatican. Napakayaman ng Vatican. 

    During the medieval era, the Bishops and Pope is more powerful than the Kings in Europe. They are the “Kings maker.” Walang magiging Hari sa Europe pag walang basbas ang Pope. He he he. Nagiging corny ang Catholic chapel namin sa Barangay. Mantakin mo, 3 dozens of Lord Jesus look alike statue ang nasa loob ng symbahan. Hindi ko tuloy malaman kung saan ako titingin. Pati sa likuran, may Statwa rin.          Hay naku.

    Worst, these priest sometimes thing they are already gods! Mga great pretenders, child molesters, Bakla kung baga. May roon ding malakas uminum, malakas magsugal, at may roon ding tumakbo bilang political candidates. Hindi ako anti-Christ. Ang gusto ko lang paratingin ay our Catholic priest are going too far. Nang loloko na sila. Puro misa, puro misa. Sa dalas ng pagsimba ko, halos kabisado ko na ang sasabihin ng pare. He he he. 

    Ang hirap, sa halip na corruption  ang plataporma nila, they are rallying the people to go against the RH Law. Sa akin, waste of time and effort yan. Tapos na ang boxing. Di ba sabi ni Christ, give unto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and to God what belongs to God. Something similar on that line……………….. Bahala na kayo adre. But on the second thought, why is the church rallying against the power of the State? Hindi ba may separation of power? I think, it is the right time to reorient our Priest to go back where they belong, which is inside the Church. He he he.

    • just_anotherperson

      Hindi na naniniwala sa Diyos pero naniniwala ka sa hula ni Nostradamus. LOL.

      • anak_ng_bayan

        Wala namang sinabi si zeroko na hindi xa naniniwala sa Diyos ah…paki quote nga baka na miss ko lang.

      • just_anotherperson

        Iyang sobrang galit sa Simbahang Katoliko can only mean one thing – atheism. Ang daming atheist na panay ang quote sa bible.

    • mynnyx

      dapat ang patawan mo yong mga nasa gobyerno…….katulad ng hacienda luisita at yong mga nakaupo na may negosyo ginagamit ang pwesto para dayain ang gobyerno………………..

  • zeroko

    Naalala ko tuloy ang Pajero-Priest noong panahon ni Gloria. He he he. Sabi ng iba, kaya raw nagbigay si Gloria ng Pajero sa isang damukal na Bishop ay para may    pwesto raw siya sa Paraiso. In short, ginamit daw ni Gloira ang pajero pambayad sa pwesto niya sa langit. Bastos talaga ang nagsabi nito../….. he he! Indi ako ang nagsabi nito, inuulit ko lang…… he he.

    • just_anotherperson

      Kung totoo ang sinabi mo, sobrang hina pala ng ulo ni GMA para maniwala sa ganoong ideya. 

  • sk2tk

    And ( THE ALMIGHTY CBCP ) talk about FORGIVENESS!! HAHAHA. HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST!!! hahaha…

  • sk2tk

    NAKAKARIMARIM NA ANG KABULUKAN NG CBCP, IBA ANG ITINUTURO SA INAASAL. HAHAHA. TAMA NGA ANG RH-BILL PARA NDE NA KAYO MAKABUNTIS MGA BUSET KAYO…

    • just_anotherperson

      Kung “MGA”, siguro pwede na ang dalawang pangalan ng pilipinong pari na nakabuntis.

      Yung totoo ha at pwedeng i-google kung totoo.

      • sk2tk

         Google pa? nde na kailangan ng google. kailangan lang IDILAT mo ang MATA mo at magbasa ka ng CURRENT EVENTS. Nde taguan ng mga RAPIST na PARI ang GOOGLE, FYI.

        “There is NONE so BLIND, as those who REFUSE to SEE”…

      • just_anotherperson

        Excuses…..

  • browndarwinian

    “If (reconciliation) means we approve of what they are doing, we cannot. That is against the order of God,” said Mr Arguelles (the bishop who during Hello Garci incident said we should forgive GMA because everybody cheats anyway).

    Hoy Arguelles:

    ‘The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.’ – from God is Not Great

    • just_anotherperson

      Bishop Arguelles is wrong on many things but he is right in his opposition to the RH Law.

  • sk2tk

    Simple lng kung bket AYAW ng SIMBAHAN sa RH-BILL.

    1. With RH BILL, Population will surely DROP.
    2. Less POPULATION means less DONATION.
    3. Less DONATION means less MONEY to be sent out to VATICAN.

    Who cares about the POOR? The CHURCH won’t LIFT a finger to  FEED the HUNGRY. All they care is the incoming donations. Have you ever heard of a church financing any FEEDING programs? None that i know. But the CHURCH will always PUSH the GOVERNMENT to FEED the POOR, as if they are EXEMPTED in doing so…

    I will let you marinate on that…
     
     

    • just_anotherperson

      With CARITAS HAPAG-ASA (Table for Hope) FEEDING PROGRAM, you can feed a hungry child for 6 months with only P1,800

    • mynnyx

      hhehehehehe di naman donation yan ang binibigay sa simbahan ay ikapo………kahit magkano lang kahit di ka nga magbigay ok lang eh……………baket sila nagbibigay yan ang tanong baket sila nagsisimba yan ang din ang tanong…………….paano ala ka naman amasahan sa gobyerno……….kaya mas maganda pa na manalangin ka na lang sa simbahan para biyayaan ka pa ng dyos..

  • mangtom

    this Argue-less, I like that new twist coined by ryan andres, is behaving like a spoiled brat instead of like a priest-holy cow. Requirement ba ang pagpasa ng IQ test para sa applicants ng priesthood? I am suspicious because these CBCP members seem to have the IQ level of imbeciles. They are trying to make it appear sa taong bayan na mas mataas ang CBCP kay sa Malacanang kaya hindi sila sumusunod ng batas, gaya ng RH Law-law na yan pero ayaw nilang tanggapin ang will of the people. Iyakin talaga itong si Argue-less. Argue-less, ito yong milke bottle mo at pacifier. Be a good boy or I will palo your puwit with a paddle. 

    Manuod na lang kayo ng Eat Bulaga. Siguro therapy sa inyo kung mapanuod ninyo si Rizza Dizon. Mas natutuwa ako sa kanya kaysa sa inyo – maganda kayong panuurin siguro na magchacha with your ridiculous white robes. 

  • To_Be_Continued

    It is with much regret that the RHB became law in 2013. I wish it was signed into law 10 months before the con_ception of Bishop Arguelles (sixty some years ago) so he will not be around blabbering non_sense assuming he was among the bodily fluid to be “flushed out” by the RH Bill.

  • bgcorg

    The pro-h will always claim that they are right and the anti-
    RH are  wrong, backward and fundamentalists. What a pity! They define progress
     by such flimsy reasoning.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NXV3F6YUQWDOA4HPYOFN5F2N3U Danyel

    And why should the govt reconcile with you? Who are you? What is CBCP? ……baluktot yang mga utak nyo at yang mga itinuturo nyo…..paano kayo igagalang at paniniwalaan  ng mga tao e ang babastos nyo….mga pari nga kayo at mga obispo pero kung magsalita kayo ay mas kagalang galang pa ang holdaper at magnanakaw……gusto nyo palang diktahan ang mga tao e di kumandidato na lang kayo U LUL!.

    • just_anotherperson

      Too much hate. Typical atheist.

  • UrHONOR

    PAG nagkalkal ng BASURA, sa BAHO at SUKAL huwag magtataka.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IQUWYNRTBDZU3XCWZZAZAQZQXY Gab

    hypocrites?

  • mhertz

    With envy =  bashers spawning.
     

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