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Nazarene rites ‘faster, more orderly’

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MANILA’S MOST REVERED Once again adored and escorted by millions, the image of the Black Nazarene inches its way past Manila City Hall during Wednesday’s grand procession. AUGUST DELA CRUZ

Faith combined with planning produced a “miracle” of sorts: The procession went faster, the andas didn’t break down, the street sweepers went quickly into action, and the 200-year-old tradition showed no signs of fading.

The grand procession of the Black Nazarene of Quiapo on Wednesday drew an estimated nine million devotees and, as targeted, was several hours shorter than last year’s staging, which lasted for 22 hours.

Authorities attributed this to several factors, but mainly to the organizers’ decision to redesign the carriage, or andas, which bears the iconic image. Solid rubber tires replaced the inflatable wheels that broke down last year and caused long delays.

“This year’s procession is faster and more organized,” Metropolitan Manila Development Authority Chairman Francis Tolentino said. “The wheels made a big difference.”

Tolentino also noted that this year’s devotees, despite the inevitable push-and-shove that marks the annual rites, were comparatively more cooperative.

“We learned our lesson last year,” said National Capital Region Police Office director Chief Supt. Leonardo Espina, adding that this year’s procession was “more orderly.”

Also, the MMDA’s army of street sweepers immediately fanned out to clean up the trash on the streets as soon as the crowds had moved on.

“I think we will collect only up to 30 truckloads (of trash) now. We had 50 truckloads last year,” said Francis Martinez, an MMDA official overseeing the cleanup. “We were surprised because we were expecting more people and therefore more trash. But this is good.”

“It’s faster this year,” said Lilia Tiluo, a 67-year-old grandmother from Binondo, Manila, who for the last four decades had been braving the raucous rites where predominantly male crowds demonstrate their faith and seek miraculous cures and a good life.

The mammoth procession, which started around 7:30 a.m. after a Mass at Rizal Park’s Quirino Grandstand, was able to cross Pasig River via MacArthur Bridge around 2:15 p.m. Last year, it reached this point only around 7 p.m.

As of 7:40 last night, the carriage had reached Castillejos Street, covering 80 percent of its route. Senior Supt. Ronald Estilles of the Manila Police District, commander of Task Force Nazareno, estimated that it would finally reach Quiapo Church around midnight.

Last year, the 17th-century image of Christ bearing the cross reached Quiapo Church around 6 a.m., 22 hours after it left the grandstand.

Estilles said the number of devotees peaked at nine million around 4 p.m.

But as in the previous processions, the adrenaline-fueled show of devotion—supposedly an occasion for piety—was not without flares of violence and mishaps.

As of 5:30 p.m., the Philippine Red Cross had treated around 1,400 people on-site for high blood pressure, dizziness, chest pains, breathing problems, vomiting and minor injuries due to the sheer crush of devotees trying to touch the image or at least the ropes used to pull it along.

At one point, tempers flared when a security guard at the National Museum reportedly prevented a woman and a two-year-old girl from taking temporary shelter at the building. When a group of men saw this, some threw rocks and water bottles at the guard while others tried to chase him.

The mob was pacified only after a museum official came out and apologized.

BAREFOOT PILGRIMS Unshod yet unwavering, some of the Black Nazarene devotees take a break to cool their heels. EDWIN BACASMAS

As the andas reached Manila City Hall, some devotees hurled plastic bags full of cold water at the mamamasan or the men in charge of pulling the carriage, supposedly to give them a drink under the morning sun. But one of the marshals on the carriage had to yell out a plea for the hurlers to stop after one of the bags hit the Nazarene.

A light shower fell on the devotees when the procession reached the vicinity of the old Metropolitan Theater. “It’s a blessing!” shouted one participant.

The procession commemorates the transfer of the Black Nazarene image from a Recollect Church in Intramuros, Manila, to Quiapo Church on Jan. 9, 1787.


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  • Petrus_Romanus

    [ALL FROM the Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC EDITION]

    Galatians 5
    19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy,[b] drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

    Exodus 20
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    Leviticus 26
    26 “You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

    1 John 5
    21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

    Isaiah 42
    I am the Lord [YaHWeH], that is my name;  my glory I give to no other,  nor my praise to graven images.

    Ezekiel 14
    6 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God [YaHWeH]: Repent and turn away from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

    1 Corinthians 10
    14 Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols…….. 20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.

    Psalm 115
    4 Their idols are silver and gold,    the work of men’s hands. 5 They have mouths, but do not speak;    eyes, but do not see. 6 They have ears, but do not hear;    noses, but do not smell.7  They have hands, but do not feel;    feet, but do not walk;    and they do not make a sound in their throat. 8 Those who make them are like them;    so are all who trust in them.

    Ezekiel 37
    23 They shall not defile themselves any more with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

    1 Corinthians 6
    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral,[b] nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[c][d] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Matthew 5 (Jesus speaks)
    17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.[a] 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    • WeAry_Bat

       For example, the lola of my daughter.  Religious in attending church on Sunday, tries to drag us out on mornings when we would rather have afternoon.

      Then for all the religiousity, asks me if daughter be brought to mangtatawas for her cough.  I said no. 

      I notice at the start of the year, some kind of a fruit in a plastic bag at the doorways.  I imagine a tiny hole or so, would bring out some fungi or molds out.

      It is paradoxical for such practices to be done by the lola, as they question the power of God. 

      But then, the mind which is leaning towards religion would also leaning towards spirits-something, wouldn’t it?  I think that is the answer.

      Again spirits leads to magic, leads to charms, leads to practitioners of such…So to the person there is nothing paradoxical in having Catholicism, mangtatawas and spirit offerings all in one basket. 

      In the case of this news, the thinking a piece of wood has some power than prayer.

      I do admit in my case, I find nothing conflicting in believing in God and in science.

    • Baruk1

      Exodus 204 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, ….. Catholic disobeyed the Law. Sin is a transgression of the Law.
       
      Did you ever consider yourself as well if you are like the Catholic or not in following the Law? 
       
      For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. (James 2:10-13)
       
      “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Ex 20:8-11)
       
      Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. (Deut 5:12-14)
       
      Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. (Gen 2:3)
       

    • PaulinianKnight

      Viva Senor Nazareno!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

       INC, made in the PHILIPPINES

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

        both of you…made in mandaluyong. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

         ORNBORT, SINGAW

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      DAMASO MADE IN SPAIN!!

  • Magsasaka

    dahil maayos daw ang prusesyon ay isa daw itong himala nyahahahaha aba pwede nga naman dahil sa kawalan ng disiplina ng mga pinoy kapag sila ay nasa pinas hehehe

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

      If they believe on that, what’s  your problem? Envy? Heavy heart? Let them be free to practice their belief. That’s their faith and destiny not yours. Be civilized. 

      • Magsasaka

        hahaha you know why pinas is going nowhere?because of your kind, are you sure there’s no problem with being mangmang?being mangmang has badly shaped our society.
        if you want them to practice their belief then you should also respect the beliefs of satanic cult and suicide bombers they carry their belief in doing their act.
        lastly, sana nakakuha ka ng kaputol na lubid at ilaga at inumin mo nakakagamot daw iyon ng sakit baka magamot ang sakit mo sa utak hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Is Philippine allowed to practice such belief? Cultism is not allowed cannot even take SEC license to practice, as well as suicide bombers. Your statement is bizzare, I advised you to go to Psychiatric Doctor for extensive examination. You Indeed had mental Illness am sure for that.

      • Magsasaka

        now you are selective on which belief has the freedom of expression, what does SEC have to do with beliefs and cults?
        prasing a piece of wood as your god is ridiculous belief and now you won’t accept a much more ridiculous act of belief which is satanism and suicide bombing.
        you were asking what was the problem with their belief and i am giving you examples, so how about pagoda tragedy in bulacan, that tragedy was one of the outcome of their belief.
        if am to see a doctor the you should confine yourself in a mental facilities hehehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Did you know that Religious faith is regulated in Philippines. Catholic faith is regulated. Any Religious activities are subject for regulation and restriction. Do you think nazarene feast can go on without a mayor’s permit? Use your coconut. I told you go to Psychiatric doctors you’re endangered species. That’s your next step is confinement.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TNASVGXZ23VCJWV7KO7WPDIKKI George

        catholic faith regulated? what a moron!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Another one. 

      • Magsasaka

        regulated?since when?there is a provision that separates church and state in our constitution, religious institution are tax free, you should read more and learn more.
        you want me to accompany you in that mental facilities you are in hehehe, no way.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Ignorance of the Law excuse no one. You really ignorant. You need to take corporation law before you need it all, or go to Securities and Exchange Commission.

      • Magsasaka

        what law?because you are more ignorant that i am, you don’t know what states in our constitution.
        if you were saying permit for that event yesterday, it was just normal so that the city government will do the necessary adjustment such as traffic rerouting.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        You’re so really ignorant. Ignorantia Legis Neminem Excusat….

      • Magsasaka

        and you are a total ignorant

      • Cruxofthematter

         Who has regulated the Catholic religion in the Philippines? Even the government is powerless over this institution. It slams with sanctions those Congressmen who voted for the RH bill. And if that were not enough, it is holding its excommunication power which is like having a power over the spiritual destiny of a soul.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Establishment of Religion is regulated by the SEC.

      • Cruxofthematter

        Did Magellan apply with the SEC?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IAQLUSKZ7TH4C2FHOD7SLQONQ4 bong

         So you want death…..you wish for it.    What a moronic analogy – equating the peaceful religious procession to believers of violence.  Overdose ka na tsong.

      • Magsasaka

        what an inverted brain hehehe, anyway i was being asked what’s the problem with ridiculous beliefs and i cited samples but you are having a problem with reading and comprehension why don’t you go back to elementary school, !diot.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

        tsk. don’t feed a troll. 

      • Magsasaka

        thanks for the reminder hehehe

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

        UNAWAIN MO NA, yan naman ang bumibili ng produktong kinargahan ng BUWIS NG GOV, at ginagamit pampagawa ng kalsadang dinadaanan ng sasakyan mo.

        kasali SILA sa lipunang ito… YOU IDIOT

      • Magsasaka

        bakit ka galit hehehe, pero totoo ang sinabi mo ang mga mahihirap at mga mangmang ang lalong nagpapayaman sa mga mayayaman na

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

         ANTONIO, UNAWAIN MO NA, ITO NAMANG MGA ITO E HINDI SAGABAL SA PAGPANIK MO SA LANGIT, KUNG DOON KA MAN PUPUNTA, TANGGAPIN MO NA LANG NA IYANG MGA IYAN AY BUMIBILI AT KUMAKAIN NG PRODUKTONG KINARGAHAN NG BUWIS NA GINAGAMIT SA KALSADANG DINADAANAN NG SASAKYAN MO..

        KASALI SILA SA LIPUNANG ITO, .BRO.. BIGYAN MO SILA NG LUGAR,,, HINDI  LANG IYO ANG PINAS

      • Cruxofthematter

        Right, everyone has the right to the street. And for the whole day, it was used for the monopoly of this abominable nuisance. We never get to use this area of Manila even for 10mins in a year and yet for that 10mins we have been deprived of use. And not only that when we divert we realize that it is even worse there. So the chaos is created by this grand deception. So let me ask, is the Nazarene the author of chaos?

      • Cruxofthematter

         Actually there is a problem. Traffic halts in Manila for a revelry over an image. That is the only first one. You see, not only does this happen here. But processions are always a headache to everyone – and this is the mother of all processional headaches.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Traffic are always a problem. Always a headache it means everyday has a procession there?

      • Cruxofthematter

        Hahay. If traffic is already worse in Manila without this, how much more with this. Please use some coconut.

  • Roberto Duran

    Hahahaha, di yata kasama sa panata nila ang pagtapon ng basura sa tamang paraan…lol, kung totoo tlaga tong mga to at yung paniniwala nila dapat may disiplina sila sa sarili,…damaso…

  • Roberto Duran

    …amazing…how many tons of garbage after? …PLAIN 1D10TS

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

       ROBERTO IKAW HINDI KA STUPIDO? dahil sabay-sabay na nandoon, natural MADUDUMIHAN,..

      PATAWARIN MO NA…AT UNAWAIN, YAN NAMAN ANG MGA KATOLIKONG BUMIBILI NG PRODUKTONG PINATUNGAN NG BUWIS PAMPASWELDO AT PAMPAGAWA NG KALYENG TINUTUNGTUNGAN MO

      • Roberto Duran

        You don’t get my point, did you? We’ll try to think and you’ll get to it….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TNASVGXZ23VCJWV7KO7WPDIKKI George

    as usuals the “numbskulls” are it again.

  • wysiwyg81

    if the fervor of physical religiosity shown by devotees can only translate to visible and equal goodness, discipline, respect, decency, cleanliness, honor, ay maganda sana. but the tradition of it as yearly shown on tv always simply boils down to plain and simple folkloric and pagan practices. the traditional celebration simply does not compute based on observable demeanor by majority of the devotees.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jose.nieto.9699 Jose Nieto

    What should be the differentiating demeanor between good or bad, decent or indecent, acceptable or not-acceptable, right or wrong in the practice of religious devotion? Do you think God will be happy to see His devotees na nagbabalyahan? I could almost hear someone saying . . . wtf . . .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

    dear haters: find your own means of devotion or educate others with a gentle heart and kind words instead of wielding scripture like a rod. may the Nazarene smile on you all. 

    • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

      AGREE ON GENTLENESS :)

    • Nick_Fury

       Ask mo muna yung gumawa ng Nazareno na gawin naka “smile” bago mangyari  yung gusto mo.

  • akoombulator

    mga banal na baboy walang pakundangan na nagkalat ng tonetoneladang basura maihihiwalay ba yung pagiging matinong mamamayan sa pagsamba sa inyong rebulto yung mga naglinis ng kababuyan ninyong mga katoliko nagmumumura pupuntapa pa kayo sa langit nyan? heheheh patawa as usual the zealots of the rcch are in denial behind their backlash at rightfully indignant comments such as this

    • Hendot2012

      Tanging Dyos lang ang huhusga kung kasalanan nga ang ginawa namin, nde ka deboto nde mo alam

      • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

        Hendot2012 – eto ang husga ng Diyos: “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of ANYTHING in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall NOT BOW DOWN to them or WORSHIP them; for I, the Lord your God, AM A JEALOUS GOD, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me – Exodus 20:4-5

      • Hendot2012

         Wala akong paki, gus2 ko sumamba sa Quiapo eh, paki mo ba?

      • Cruxofthematter

         Ang isang warning sign ay walang paki – so pag me warning sign “Warning: Detour – bridge collapsed”, talagang walang magagawa ang sign. Hwag nyong batuhin at i curse ang sign. Don’t bad mouth it, it is just a sign. Proceed to collapsed bridge and don’t say you did not know. That simple. Signs are put up by concerned people, people who care. But of course, signs cannot coerce. Do not be offended by its words, they are nothing. But not heeding those words can lead to dire consequences, comprende, pare?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

       AKOOMBULATOR.. IKAW ANO? BANAL NA UNGGOY?

      unawain nyo na, ITONG MGA KATOLIKONG ITO ANG BUMIBILI NG PRODUKTO NA KINAKARGA NG MGA BUWIS,..BESIDES HINDI NAMAN SILA SAGABAL SA PAGPANHIK MO SA LANGIT, KUNG DOON MAN KAYO PUPUNTA..

      KAW OO PARA KANG PARISEO SA TEMPLO,,NAGSASABING MAS BANAL SYA KESA SA PUBLIKANO…

      • Cruxofthematter

        Paano mo nalaman me Pariseo at sa Templo pa? Sa comics? E, kung sa comics saan ba talaga galing yun nakasulat? You criticize bible reading and yet you do not even know what you are saying about the Pharisees and the Temple are found nowhere else but from the bible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

    AKOOMBULATOR.. gaano na ang kalat na ginawa mo sa pinas,, at ng mga KALAHI MONG SINGAW?

    ITONG MGA KATOLIKONG ITO ANG BUMIBILI NG PRODUKTO NYO HABANG IKINAKARGA NYO ANG MGA BUWIS SA BAWAT BILHIN NAMIN,.. KAYA HAYAAN NYONG GAMITIN ANG TAX SA PAGLILINIS NG PALIGID

     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3CKTN4Y7PNDL33JQJLHP2RFJKA Piola Pascuall

     ANTONIO, AT MGA HATERS DIYAN, UNAWAIN NYO NA, ITO NAMANG MGA ITO E HINDI SAGABAL SA
    PAGPANIK NYO SA LANGIT, KUNG DOON MAN KAYO PUPUNTA, TANGGAPIN NYO NA LANG NA
    IYANG MGA IYAN AY BUMIBILI AT KUMAKAIN NG PRODUKTONG KINARGAHAN NG
    BUWIS NA GINAGAMIT SA KALSADANG DINADAANAN NG SASAKYAN NYO

    ..

    KASALI SILA SA LIPUNANG ITO, .MGA BRO.. BIGYAN NYO SILA NG LUGAR,,, HINDI  LANG INYO ANG PINAS

  • alner

    There will be time when people like them will realize that what they are doing is illogical way of praising the gods.

  • joker_quirino

    9,000,000 devotees????!!!!!!, let’s have a little mathematics:

    let’s say 1 square meter contains 6 persons, it needs 1,500,000 sq. meters or 150 hectares to holds 9,000,000 people.

    another mathematics:

    total population of metro manila – 11,800,000
     if all of them are from metro manila, ibig sabihin 2,800,000 na lang ang mga naiwan sa bahay at mga pumasok sa trabaho

    if 1/2 are from nearby provinces, kailangan ang 60,000 buses a with capacity of 75/bus para sa 4,500,000 people.

    parang hindi makatotohanan????????

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

  • simonibarra27

    Sa mga nasaktan at naghirap para sa fiesta ng Nazareno,,,, Well buti nga sa inyo! ask ko lang bakit parang wala ni isang Pari ang kasama sa parada ng Laruang ito! Siguro alam nyang KALOKOHAN lang ito! DEVOTO … Dapat DEMONYO ang tawag sa inyo! Sumasamba kayo sa ginawa kaysa sa Gumawa!, Karumaldumal yan sa Harap ng Tunay na Dios!

    • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

      Those who oppose him he must GENTLY INSTRUCT, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, – 2 Timothy 2:25

  • simonibarra27

    Public warning,, MAINGAT SA PAGDALO SA PISTA NG NAZARENO MARAMING MASASAMANG LOOB mga magnanakaw mga addict at mga mandurukot doon estimated 10M daw nagkalat!!!

  • tra6Gpeche

    Some time ago, I heard Mrs. Miriam Santiago saying that if
    there is God, then God must be under achiever. To me, there is really nothing
    wrong if one believes in God or not as long as a person is honest, hardworking
    and does not hurt or harm anyone in anyway. As for those believers and
    followers of the Black Nazarene, I notice that most, if not all of them, are depressed,
    materially deprived, and/or have some illness, physical or emotional. If the
    Black Nazarene is God with so much power, how come these believers and faithful,
    in the past  and at present, have not
    changed in their status at all? Most of them are always poor, depressed and
    have illness, physical or emotional. Except for Mr. Noli de Castro, would it be
    that the Black Nazarene want them to stay the same forever? Or is this a false or
    unsound belief on the part of those devotees?

    • boypalabobo

      Santiago is wrong – about MANY things.

      • tra6Gpeche

        She could be wrong but could you explain why God is not under achiever? If you can’t, then I would assume Mrs. Santiago is correct. I hope to hear from you soon!

      • boypalabobo

        She said it, she should explain herself.  
        Fact is, Santiago has been wrong MANY times bordering on crazy.
        The real underachiever here… is “MANKIND”.

      • tra6Gpeche

        I believe mankind is over achiever. Americans got to the moon and space with their very limited power. Then I would assume Mrs. Santiago is correct because you could not explain your side. You should not say she was wrong if you refuse to substantiate your position. Her bordering in being crazy is not an answer!

      • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

        I think people must first answer 2 things,
        1st: Make the difference between the black nazarene and God – is God confined in wood made by man?2nd: Is God’s primary agenda to enrich man? Does God’s existence revolve around the material wealth of man?

      • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

        tra6Gpeche – the americans wouldn’t have the knowledge to go up the moon if they didn’t study in schools put up because of Christianity. Review history and how most of the ivy league schools started – almost every achievement of man started out with education where Christian influence is undeniable

      • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

        In fact, can you imagine how possibly uneducated Miriam would be if the americans (who were influenced by Christian education) didnt come to the Philippines and teach us? Miriam and most of the world probably wouldnt even be able to read or speak english.

      • taga_ilog

        I know this is a little bit late to join in on such an interesting discussion. I would agree to you in some respect but attributing america’s education to christianity is a bit arrogant for me, not that I’m saying that you are arrogant. History of course has the answers why, america was colonized by the spaniards, dutch, french, and the british, all of them christians, thus one can think that those schools that was founded by these colonizers as christian schools. It may be true to some extent but that “christian” whatchamacallit ends there. these schools are secular in nature just as their founders might have been “christian”.

      • tra6Gpeche

        Kabayan, could you tell me the name of the schools you are talking about?

      • Jacinto Rivera Mendoza

        Try researching the roots of Harvard University for example, google who John Harvard is :)

      • tra6Gpeche

        You might be correct, kabayan. But my original post is about Mrs Santiago’s statement that God is under archiever. I also mention that with very limited power I consider men to be over achiever. I think God with so much unlimited power, he could have made this world perfect. And I don’t see anything wrong if the world is perfect. 

      • boypalabobo

        Be patient.  God right now is allowing man to rule himself for a limited amount of time (yes that’s in the Bible).  When that is over, he will put an “end” to this system of things, and establish his rule (Kingdom) on Earth with the coming of Christ.
        (Matthew 24)

        When Santiago referred to God as an underachiever, she didn’t know what God had in mind.

      • tra6Gpeche

        These are good questions, kabayan!

      • boypalabobo

        Did Santiago explain her side?  Yet you believe her it seems. 

        Man = under achiever.
        1/4 of the world is hungry.  That alone should be enough.

        War, do you even know how many days (I do mean days not months) the world was not in a war in the last 100 years?

        Disease and pestilence – we are not winning here.

        Global environmental damage caused by Man. 

        I can go on… but I think you get the picture.
        but in case you didn’t, only a few people really got to the moon.  The majority were at home dealing with harsh reality.

      • tra6Gpeche

        Kabayan, I can’t tell you whether you are correct or not about God allowing man to rule himself. But this I know. I am already super old and running out of time. That one in the bible has been there since time immemorial. How much more patience must we have? Perhaps, it is a hoax or a fraud. Just like when people long, long, long time ago saying that Jesus would come back. Because God, if there is one, has unlimited power, I am inclined to believe that God is an under achiever and that man because he has very limited brain and power is over achiever. God could even be everywhere as far as my understanding is concerned. No such man could be like that, kabayan! For all we know, maybe God does not really exist. Man only created God in his imagination to feel secured and have something to look forward to. That is only my opinion kabayan. Have a great day and take care!

      • boypalabobo

        We are all getting old.  So let me just give you this “encouragement” from Jesus:

        Matthew 24:13
        “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.”

        I do suggest reading the whole of Matthew 24 if you have the time.  Some of the prophecies there is already coming true in our generation. – that’s the proof God exists – it’s in biblical prophecy.  I will give you just one example:

        “Matthew 24
        14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

        “TODAY it is estimated that 7.5 billion Bibles have been printed since 1816 and are in circulation in 2370 LANGUAGES. 100 million are being sold per year, not including electronic copies – despite Rome’s (the most powerful nation in the world for almost 1000 years) attempts to execute Christians for 300 years, and the Roman Catholic Church’s attempts to suppress the Bible and execute those who read it for 600 years (~1200AD – 1800AD).”

        Have a nice day.

      • tra6Gpeche

        Kabayan, thanks for the encouragement. I am sure you are happy where you are. I am also the same where I am. I believe that if we know the difference between right and wrong, serenity and peace will be ours! Have a great day, kabayan!

      • tra6Gpeche

        Kabayan, yes I am inclined to believe Mrs Santiago though on almost all cases, I am on the opposite side. Why? God, if there is one, would not create evil minded creation to give his own creation troubles and miseries unless, of course, if God loves seeing human beings hungry, oppressed, slaves of another person, devastated by natural calamities and languishing in poverty. And he created man with evil brain and so much greed. And I thought he created man in his own image. Nevertheless kabayan, there is more sense in Mrs Santiago’s statement in my opinion. God is under achiever and thankfully, man is over achiever. At least with limited brain and power, some men try very hard to improve the quality of our existence on earth. Have a great day, kabayan!

      • boypalabobo

        Well, evil exists, because an angel decided to go against God. We (Adam and Eve) were victims (Book of Genesis).

        You can see the drama between God and Satan in the Book of Job. I can post you a short summary that I made on the Book of Job if you want.

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