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Quiapo priest: Filipino devotion to Black Nazarene not idolatry

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A devotee touches the statue of the Black Nazarene: Unique expression of Filipino spirituality. NIÑO JESUS ORBETA

MANILA, Philippines—Why do they keep coming back, barefoot, and in their millions?

The hordes of devotees who will descend on Quiapo, Manila, on Wednesday for the Feast of the Black Nazarene keep coming back and are growing in number because they “encounter the Divine” in the grand procession, one most the most spectacular expressions of religiosity in predominantly Catholic Philippines, a Church official said.

Monsignor Jose Clemente Ignacio, rector of the Minor Basilica of the Black Nazarene, said the feast is a unique expression of Filipino spirituality and popular piety “to experience `heaven’ even for a short glimpse.”

He admitted that there are “abuses” that need to be “purified” but he defended the feast from accusations that it was fomenting “fanaticism and idolatry.”

“Kissing or holding on to the statues is not worshiping statues, it is connecting to the divine, to touch and be touched by heaven itself,” Ignacio said.

“It has been asked of me, why do you allow people to touch the statue? Isn’t it bordering on idolatry? I guess, the view behind that question isn’t really Filipino. Filipinos are a people of `the concrete,’” he said.

Filipino trait

“It is a Filipino trait to want to wipe, touch, kiss, or embrace sacred objects if possible. We Filipinos believe in the presence of the Divine in scared objects and places,” he added.

Ignacio said the devotees want to be connected to the Divine through lining up for the Pahalik (the ritual kissing of the statue), holding on to the vestments of the statue after the Pabihis (the changing of the garments of the Black Nazarene), or touching the rope used to pull the carriage of the Black Nazarene.

“This is a way of expressing one’s faith. It is an expression of their devotion. We all know we don’t worship statues. We worship God and if these statues would `bridge us to Go,’ then we want to connect with God using these statues,” he said.

Quoting the studies of socio-anthropologists Victor and Edith Turner, Ignacio said that the traslacion (the grand procession from the Luneta Grandstand to Quiapo Church) should be viewed as a “pilgrimage” which reaches a phase called “liminity,” or the “experience of the sacred.”

“It is at this point that the pilgrims experience distance and release from mundane structures and institutions where they are placed in their assigned roles and statuses in society,” Ignacio said.

“During the `limen,’ they reach the threshold in and out of time. It is here they receive a `liberation,’ undergoing a direct experience of the sacred, either in the material aspect of miraculous healing or in the immaterial aspect of inward transformation of spirit and personality,” he added.

Holy sites

Ignacio said pilgrims throughout Christian history kept coming back to what they consider as holy sites—like the Quiapo church—because these are believed to be places where miracles happened and could happen again.

“This is the reason why those who experienced pilgrimages keep coming back. It is a wonderful experience to be cleansed, to be one with the peoples, to get in touch with the divine, to experience `heaven’ even for a short glimpse—a kind of `transfiguration,’” he added.

Ignacio said he and the other priests of Quiapo are “humbled” by the intensity and sincerity of the faithful’s show of devotion.

“Maybe, the theological community has not yet fully understood the soul and spirituality of Filipinos. Maybe, our theological paradigms are too western that is why we easily judge the piety of our devotees,” Ignacio quoted one priest as saying.

“One priest even said: `Our theologies might be an elitist theology which we might need to evaluate,” he added.

Correcting abuses

On the other hand, Ignacio said the Church was correcting the perceived abuses in the popular devotion to the Black Nazarene.

These include reminding mandarasals (persons who receive “donations to say prayers) not to make a living out of it, and getting rid of the manghuhulas (soothsayers) and vendors of anting-antings (amulets), black candles (believed bring misfortune on others), and even abortion pills outside the church.

“These are the abuses that we priests are now fighting against in Quiapo and the priests as well as some lay servants have received their share of threats,” Ignacio said.

He said the Church has also stopped the practice of selling the dried sampaguitas offered in the basilica and the oils used for cleaning the Black Nazarene.

“Other practices that became an issue which our parochial vicar had to attend to include the selling of dried sampaguitas offered in Church as well as oils used for cleaning the Black Nazarene. Some took advantage of this and made money out of it,” Ignacio said.

“The parochial vicar controlled this by instituting procedures and giving this out for free to people who request them. He did not stop the practice but simply corrected the abuses,” he added.

Better servant volunteers

He said the Church had also reorganized the parish and its ministries, doubled its personnel and prioritized formation, liturgy and devotions to “bring about a better and more mature corps of servant volunteers.”

“We are experimenting on ways in our recollection giving with our Mamamasans (those who actually pull the carriage of the Black Nazarene) to bring them closer to God,” Ignacio said.

“Our overnight vigils before January 9 is an attempt to reach out to more devotees hoping to bring the good news and share the teachings with them,” he added.

He said the Church also tried to start a tabloid newspaper, a website, and TV Masses but he admitted that “we haven’t reached even a tenth of them.”

“Whether some expressions are delusional or devotional, it is the heart, the interior of the person, that will often decide if an expression is right or wrong … It is only God who could see through the hearts of these peoples,” Ignacio said.

“I hope, before we make easy judgments about devotions, we must fully understand why people express their faith the way they do. Popular piety involves the whole person, not just the mind. It might me a mystical experience even which we do not understand. We only need to respect them,” he added.


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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NOMBBSLZPGCELF545RBCZMOWLA dante

    Faith is the essence of things ‘UNSEEN’, the substance of things hope for.  The Bible is very clear from the old to the new testament – ‘thou shalt not worship graven images’.  God is not is flesh nor in ‘stone’, he is a spritual being.

    • batangpaslit

      right on, Bro.
      we walk not by sigth, but by faith
      let’s pray for our Kababayan who were grossly deceived

      • frudo

        tama sa imbes husgahan sila i pag Pray nalang natin at ang Dios na ang bahalang magbigay sa kanila ng wisdom sa tamang pag samba sa ating Makapangyarihang Dios na buhay na hindi gawa sa ano mang material na bagay dito sa lupa,God bless us all,,

  • patriotic_act

    What a vague excuse.. its like when they have no bridge they wont swim to cross to the other side.. its a typical “to see is to believe”.. thus making an idol to “bridge” them to god (as they say it) is NOT idolatry according to them.. but merely an “reason to believe”..

    then where is the faith in that? faith is believing to something you dont see..

    ive been to many religions eversince I was young.. but I was a catholic before.. a non-practicing catholic.

    • litobetita

      You are non-practicing catholic? That is why you don’t understand our Faith. There are so many people like you…..a catholic before but non-practicing and so the foundation is weak. They got carried-away easily!!! But no problem, just leave us alone and let your comments to yourself.

      • AntiAko

        i was baptized a catholic but learned in school that catholicism has gone beyond what are commanded of those who believe in God. Devotion to saints, making statues and praying to them, disproportionate worship of Mary: these are things I could not accept. Sorry, folks, but I only have one God and I will never bow down or worship any other being, much less a wooden figure.

        There is no other name BUT Jesus. For this reason, I will never call on any bridge (be it a Saint, Mary, or as what Monsignor Ignacio says, a statue) to connect me with my Lord.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Then you are no more Catholic. I respect your belief. Respect other’s belief also. Fair enough?

      • batangpaslit

        Lito, i invite you to read the Book of Hebrews and Revelation Chapter 17 and investigate for yourself how your so called “faith” square with what the inspired written Word of GOD says about idol worship

      • litobetita

        I am so sorry but I cannot do that, not unless under the guidance of the catholic church. And I don’t have a catholic bible here with me in Qatar. There are 2 main reasons why there are so many misinterpretations of the bible….first there are so may versions of it aside from the original which is in Vatican. Second, when you read it by yourself and without a guidance then you tend to interpret it by yourself. I am not a bible scholar and for that very reason, I am very really sure that I will misinterpret it especially if I just read the portion of it and not the whole bible….thanks for your suggestion anyway. I choose to stay in my faith…I done it for 44 years and I will continue for the rest of my life.

    • batangpaslit

      that is why we must be compassionate with those who were victims of deception.
      they need help because they were rendered helpless owing to false teachings perpetrated and perpetuated by false teachers

      • patriotic_act

        indeed..

  • basilionisisa

    there is sense in what Monsignor Ignacio says.

    This ostentatious display of devotion may be idolatry, but there is MORE, it HAS something beyond. the Adoration does not end in the ‘physical’ Idol, it transcends to something Higher, to something Unseen, something mystical, something Divine. when they come in contact to the image, they FEEL it and DOES something IN them…

    Catholic-bashers and Bible-wavers may not understand this, may insist on their own interpretation of ‘idolatry’, but I hope, if they truly believe in God and what He stands for, if they believe in what TRUE Faith is, they will leave these Faitful, these Devotees, these Pilgrims alone to their Belief.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

      Yes, it’s like saying: “Let them be like children forever in their faith. Don’t let them grow and mature and develop real faith in God.”

      • basilionisisa

        oh yes please, i wish i have that kind of Faith: ‘forever child-like’, unsullied, unadulterated, unchanged by this peccable world.

      • batangpaslit

        touching reply….we will pray that the Spriti of Truth would reveal to you in a very special way, Kabayan

      • frudo

        be faithful to God hindi sa relihiyon at lalo na sa kapirasong kahoy or bato,

      • batangpaslit

        very apt comment…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

      like Damaso, you still blindly cling to the “customary” faith and from what Vatican tells you to do, even after reading the truth and what is forbidden by the scriptures (idolatry)… If you can justify the use of images in show of devotion and connection to the Unseen,  then you really need to be left alone, goodluck!  Don’t blame others later and say noone warned you of what the scriptures forbade…  If you truly believe in the scriptures, isn’t logical that you avoid the forbidden?  Divinity lies on how you intensely communicate directly to the Almighty, without intercession and proxy…  why can;t you pray and connect directly to the Unseen?  Are you too dumb or too weak to need an image to express your self to God?   

      • batangpaslit

        powerful argument. let’s pray for our Kababayan who were blinded by the false teachings from their religious leaders

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

       you are sick

      • batangpaslit

        Bro, keep praying for them that may they will see light and Truth will reveal to them

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FUGW2PPDKQBKONZVRMVWTBSDM Jose Genaro C

      We Bible believers believe Christ teachings and that he was the author of our faith, we understand and we know what is the thruth for he was our Savior… if you only know the thruth, the Thruth will set you free, even from the bondage of teachings of man you were devoted…. Jesus told in John 14:15 “If you love me keep my commandments”

      • batangpaslit

        well said, Joey.
        you have the spirit of GOD when you wrote your response to Basilio

    • batangpaslit

      if you are a believer, a true believer, why are you averse about the Bible?
      where do you get your teachings?
      if you truly believe in the true Living GOD, how come you are not familiar of His inspired Written Word—the Scriptures?
      the Scriptures indicated that idol worship such as what you encourage and propagagate is detestable before the sight of GOD.
      it behooves, Kabayan, you do not know GOD in the truest sense of the word.
      you and million thers were grossly deceived how to properly worship GOD. examine the content of the Bible and investigate firsthand what is true and what is false about Roman Catholic Chruch teachings
      start reading the Book of Hebrews, and Revelation Chapter 17 and see for yourself whether the wooden idol you worship is the right representation of the true Living GOD.
      Hell is your destination, Kabayan, if you perpetrate and perpetuate the gross teaching propagated by RCC.
      paying homage to the Black Nazarene is not paying homage to the true Living GOD.
      worshipping the Black Nazarene is Devil worship.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Let them believe on what they want to believe. No one should impose one’s faith to anyone. Faith for the person to see what is not seen.

      • Petrus_Romanus

        2 Timothy 3:16-17
        16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, CORRECTING and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    • brunogiordano

      FAITH iyan ang benebenta ng mga SCAMMERS sa pangloloko ng mga SUCKERS.

    • opinyonlangpo

      Wow, that is exactly the meaning of idolatry – “transcends to something higher……” like the almighty God Himself came down to Quiapo.

  • opinyonlangpo

    If it is not then what is idolatry? Is idolatry only for non-catholics, it is okey for you but not for them. Just look at the actions of the people, it surpasses idolatry into fanaticism as if God himself came down to earth.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FUGW2PPDKQBKONZVRMVWTBSDM Jose Genaro C

      Idolatry ay isang punong kahoy, semento o bakal na gawa ng kamay na inanyuhan at ginagawang diyos diyosan, may mata na di makakita, tenga na di makarinig, dila na di makapagsalita, kamay na di maigalaw at may paang di makalakad… Thats is Idolatry as God had said in the Bible…. Anyone against the teachings of Christ is the Anti-Christ itself…..  Christ even told…. your father is the devil…

      • batangpaslit

        you said it….just fervently pray that those who were victimized with deceitful teaching would find the light

      • opinyonlangpo

        You said it better.

    • batangpaslit

      i read you..

  • alfred sanchez

    ariba anti catholic, punta ako sa quiapo bukas, sa mga anti catholic kanya kanyang trip lang yan

    • batangpaslit

      Alfred, don’t easily dismiss the conra-opinion about worshipping a god who is made of wood carved out in a form of man that has feed but could not walk, that has eyes but could not see.

      Examine the Scriptures yourself and find it out firsthand what a true worship of GOD is.

      • alfred sanchez

         who says about worshiping wood? just stick to your allahu akbar bombings ok

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    Ang sa akin lang po talagang may sensirong pumunta diyan at pag uwi dala ang katinuan at pagbabagong buhay at pag asa. Subalit po sa karamihan ay parang hangin lamang at mababaw at malakas ang kahinaan…pagkatapos makipag siksikan at magpakahirap dahil sa panata pag uwi walang pinag bago kundi sakit ng katawan at pasa at kinaumagahan balik sa dating gawi. Tanungin mo po ang karamihan kung nagbabasa ba sila ng Bagong Tipan(New Testament) na siyang batayan tungkol kay Kristo sa aking paniniwala karamihan ay hindi at umaasa lang sasabihin ng pari. Kaya mahina ang pundasyon ng paniniwala… at laging umaasa sa salitang Himala. ang Diyos ay araw araw ay may himala sa ating buhay.

    • batangpaslit

      noted and acknowledged…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI yahoo-FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI

    That is right it is not IDOLATRY but FANATICALLY.

    • batangpaslit

      hehehe…what is the difference. being fanatic is lesser in degree than idolatry?

  • tonyoks

    this is one way that the church asserts and show to the world the control they have over their fanatic followers.

    this is how the catholic skewed the paradigms that these so called religious authorities propagates.

    “Maybe, the theological community has not yet fully understood the soul and spirituality of Filipinos. Maybe, our theological paradigms are too western that is why we easily judge the piety of our devotees,”

    sa totoo lang, wala na pong makakaintindi kung anong klaseng spirituality meron tayong mga pinoy dahil sadya pong ginulo na ninyo….sa pamamagitan
     ng kung ano anong pinagsesermon  nyo!!!

    bago pa man dumating ang mga kastila rito mayroon na tayong kanya kanyang paniwala…

    Pinalabas lang ng mga prayle na mas magaling ang “tinuro” nila at yaong ayaw maniwala ay sunog ang kaluluwa…at talagang lilitsunin ka…sino kayang di aaray…

    ikaw nga ang sunugin …

    • batangpaslit

      yes, the false teachers will have their respective comeuppance the day when the Kingdom come for misleading God’s creation to worship false gods

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RRFGBCEJ6OURIE3PW3I5YCH3FQ Hideki

    Sa mga di nagbabasa ng bible..

    from Deuteronomy :
     
    5:6 Ako ang Panginoon mong Dios na naglabas sa iyo sa lupain ng Egipto, sa bahay ng pagkaalipin.

    5:7 Huwag kang magkakaroon ng ibang mga Dios sa harap ko.

    5:8 Huwag kang gagawa para sa iyo ng larawang
    inanyuan na kawangis ng anomang anyong nasa itaas sa langit, o ng nasa
    ibaba sa lupa, o ng nasa tubig sa ilalim ng lupa:

    5:9 Huwag mong yuyukuran sila o paglilingkuran
    man sila: sapagka’t akong Panginoon mong Dios ay mapanibughuing Dios, na
    aking dinadalaw ang kasamaan ng mga magulang sa mga anak, sa ikatlo at
    sa ikaapat na salin ng nangapopoot sa akin;

    • batangpaslit

      galing…..harinawa ang mga Roman Catholic Church parishioners maging masipag sa pagaaral ng Banal na Aklat

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        puwede namang kayo-kayo na lang ang magpurian, di ba?  bakit hindi niyo magawang maging masaya, eh, pare-pareho naman kayo ng paniniwala…DON’T YOU THINK YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT?

        Unless matuklasan ninyo kung ano ang kulang sa inyo, PATULOY KAYONG MAKIKISAWSAW SA MGA BAGAY NA HINDI MAINTINDIHAN, KAYA NGA HINDI NIYO MATANGGAP.

        SIMPLE COMMON SENSE, KUNG MAYRO’N KAYO NIYAN, MASO-SOLVE NINYO ANG PINOPROBLEMA NINYO NA HINDI NAMAN PROBLEMA.

      • Justice Dignos

        Read the bible. Yun ang dapat intindihin. ;)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        KAPAG BINASA MO, INTINDIHIN MO…
        KAPAG NAINTINDIHAN MO…PRACTICE THE TEACHINGS
        TANDAAN MO LANG NA ANG PANG-INTINDI MO O ANG INTERPRETASYON AY MAAARING IBA SA INTERPRETASYONG NG IBA.  KUNG SASABIHIN MONG IKAW LANG ANG TAMA…MASASABI BA’NG KABABAANG LOOB ‘YAN, O PAGMAMATAAS?

        KUNG NASA ITAAS KA NA, ANO SA PALAGAY MO ANG SUSUNOD MONG KAHIHINATNAN>

        ANG NAGMAMATAAS AY IBINABAGSAK…ANG NAGMAMABABA AY ITINATAAS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GURBWYA3AIXC22EF6E6HIHRNQE Ornbort Vortingeresdemesus

    ang tatalino ninyo. why not volunteer and help out instead of professing yourselves to be wise and ending up fools? look to your own shortcomings instead of criticizing devotees who want to repent. or next time castigate yourself when you kiss a picture of your loved one. 

    • batangpaslit

      i know where you are coming from, Bro. refute those who argue against idolatrous worship from what the Scriptures say about worshipping gods carved out by men.

      even inordinate adoration of your “loved one” are idolatrous acts. just read the inspired written Word of God and find for yourself the truth what idolatry is.

      there is a proper way of honoring GOD. worshipping a wood carved out with a nose that cannot smell, with eyes but could not see is detestable to the sight of the true Living GOD.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        THATs YOUR BELIEF…NO ONE SHOULD MALIGN YOU IN YOUR OWN BELIEFS, ISN’T IT?  YOU KNOW HOW YOU WOULD REACT IF ANYONE TELLS YOU ARE CRAZY WITH YOUR BELIEFS, ISN’T IT.

        YOU ARE STILL BATANG PASLIT…THAT’S HOW YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF…SO YOU ARE SAYING MANY THINGS YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE CORRECT, UNLESS SOMEBODY TELLS YOU YOU ARE WRONG.

        THE REASON WHY YOU DON’T ATTAIN PEACE OF MIND ARE PRODUCTS OF INSULTING OTHER BELIEFS, THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NEVER WANT TO BE DONE TO YOU.

        REMEMBER:  DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

    if it is not fanaticism and or idolatry i dont know what it is, hello hello,
    It is in the ten commandments,, read it over and over again, 

    • batangpaslit

      the Roman Catholic Church parishioners were grossly deceived by their religious leaders

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        AND, YOU ARE NOT DECEIVED BUT YOU ARE THE ONE AND THE LIKES OF YOU WHO FEEL UNEASY.  SO, WHAT’S CAUSING YOU YOUR TROUBLES?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      SO, WHY NOT TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT?  INVOLVE YOURSELF IN THE EXPERIENCE.  JOIN THEM.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERCCN5ANNNF7BEBFMYXR6ALGRU Dan

    hey Monsignor Ignacio, are you out of your mind just like these mindless millions of practioner of idolatry.
    CBCP is making me sick to my stomach,
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      YOU ARE THE ONE SUFFERING FROM UNEASINESS…WHY ASK THE QUESTIOIN TO ANYONE WHEN YOU SHOULD ADDRESS IT TO YOUR OWNSELF?

    • $14170612

       primitive catholics their faith is in the time of stone age that is  why they keep on worshiping that wood.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Primitive and modern day Catholics share the same faith since the beginning. And they are not worshiping that wood, how many times do you need to be told.

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      Hey Dan, maybe it’s the other way around. By sheer number, millions against one, you are the one who is out of his mind.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    Religion is the opium of masses. When education and information are out of reach, the poor and the ignorant resort to fanaticism. Good luck and have fun living in your utopia.

    • batangpaslit

      the Scriptures, the inspired written Word of the Living GOD were banned for a long while among the Roman Catholic Church parishioners, hence, their lack of knowledge to distinguish falsehood from truth.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

        How can you even be sure that the Scriptures weren’t lost in translation? All we know, the Church modified some of the text to fit their own agenda. That has been documented already.

        Besides, I don’t need to squeeze myself in a throng of people and get all fanatic with a bunch of statues. I work hard and get good pay. In turn, I can buy myself some luxury. I pray to God personally and I don’t go to priests who, human as they are, are prone to error. I get lots of blessings and I thank God for all of them through personal reflection. Guess who has the better life between me and the fanatics of Quiapo who wipe dust off statues and sniff them?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        THEY HAVE PEACE OF MIND THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER EXPEREIENCED AMID ALL YOUR RICHES.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         Actually, the Catholic church did a lot of “modification”, including blaming the Jews for killing Christ, carrying out inquisitions, standing by while millions were murdered in Europe during WWII, and so on and so on.  The list is endless.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Good for you. But receiving abundant blessings, does not give you any right to disrespect other’s belief.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        WITH THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE FULL OF KNOWLEDGE…HENCE, WHY ARE THE ONE FEELING UNEASY INSTEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE BOUND TO BEAR THE HARDSHIPS YOU DO NOT EVEN DARE EXPERIENCE?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      YOU AND THE LIKES OF YOU ARE THE ONES WHO DO NOT UINDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.  HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST SOMETHING YOU DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND.  SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH FIRST…YOU CAN BEST FIND THE TRUTH IS BY EXPERIENCING IT.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    GULLIBLE Pinoys praying to a BLOCK OF WOOD.

    • batangpaslit

      let’s pray for them that they will gain spiritual sight and see for themselves what truth is

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        THAT’S A MUCH BETTER RECOURSE FOR YOU TO DO, BUT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST SOMETHING YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS TOO PRETENTIOUS

        THE BEST WAY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IS THRU EXPERIENCE…EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER…WHY NOT TRY IT?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         Did you ever think, Ding, that perhaps many of us have experienced all the nonsense of the Catholic church and that we may just have figured out that it’s all a bit too much?

      • dee jay Halal

        i guess he didnt. Ding you keep on repeating. Can you find a more reasonable statement like averse from the bible perhaps since all of this are bible related. And tamarindwalk has a good point, think about it, most of the people that youre talking to here used to be roman catholics. AND fyi catholic is different from roman catholic. 

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        If you are not Catholics or Roman Catholics as other’s may put it, all I ask is to please respect this act of devotion. This is just one day celebrated once every year.I mean no harm to any one. I respect your belief and I don’t force you to believe on what I believe. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I KNOW THE MEANING OF HALAL…HOW ‘BOUT YOU…
        I BELIEVE ALL THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE CAN BE SUMMED UP INTO TWO — LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL AND LOVE YOUR FELLOWMEN.

        I THINK WE HAVE NO PROBLEM IN OUR LOVE FOR GOD…WITH REGARDS TO THE SECOND, IT’S A MATTER OF HOW YOU AND I INTERPRET IT:
        WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO RESPECT ONE ANOTHER…YOU AND I ARE 2 INDIVIDUALS, NO TWO INDIVIDUALS, EVEN TWINS, CAN BE EXACTLY THE SAME…WE WILL HAVE DIFFERENCES…BY ACCEPTING THIS AS A FACT, WE WILL LEARN NOT TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE,,,WE WILL LEARN TO RESPECT.

        IT IS TAUGHT NOT ONLY IN THE BIBLE, I believe, THE KORAN, as well.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        WHAT WE ARE UNDERGOING NOW IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE SUFFERINGS OF OUR SAVIOR…
        DON’T YOU THINK SO?
        HE HAD SAVED US, ISN’T IT…DON’T YOU THINK THAT THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WHY ALL THESE DEVOTEES WHO HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH ENDED WITH FEELINGS OF ENJOYMENT AND ACHIEVEMENT…
        EVIDENT THAT THEY WOULD DO THE SAME AGAIN…AND, AGAIN…AND, AGAIN.

        WHILE YOU IN ALL YOUR BEWILDERMENTSM WILL REMAIN IN YOUR STATE OF SUCH BEWILDEMENT AND DELIRIUM, UNTIL YOU LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONDEMN OR JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PRACTICE OF THEIR OWN FAITH, WHICH THEY BELIEVE WILL BRING THEM CLOSER TO GOD.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      PERHAPS THEY PERCEIVE THAT BLOCK OF WOOD MUCH BETTER THAN YOU…THAT’S WHY THAT BLOCK OF WOOD MAKES YOU JEALOUS, ISN’T IT?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        GULLIBLE Filipinos risking Life and Limb to touch a BLOCK OF WOOD.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Yet, they end up contented, having achieved what they wanted, they end up with FEELINGS OF ACHIEVEMENT.

        WHILE YOU WHO HAD KEPT ON MALIGNING WHAT THEY’VE BEEN DOING REMAINS IN DEEP TROUBLE OF BEWILDERMENT AND DELIRIUM.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

        black of wood cannot save people if it topple down during procession many will die.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Go back to your own statement ‘IF”…do yoiu know what IF signifies?

        Sarado ang isip mo sa sarili mong palagay na sinasamba ang block of wood…SINO NAMAN ANG MAY SABI SA ‘YONG SINASAMBA ‘YON.  ANG NIRE-REPRESENT NG BLOCK OF WOOD ANG SINASAMBA NG MGA DEVOTEES. AT ‘YON DIN, SA PALAGAY KO ANG SINASAMBA MO, di ba?

        Ngayon, dahil sa pagkakaiba ng pamamaraan ninyo ng pagsamba, at sasabihin mong mas mabisa ang sa ‘yo, NASAAN ANG KABABAANG LOOB DIYAN?

        Di mo ba alam, na ANG NAGMAMATAAS AY IBINABAGSAK,
        ANG NAGMAMABABA AY ITINATAAS?

        KUNG NASA ITAAS KA NA, ANO SA PALAGAY MO ANG SUSUNOD NA KAHIHINATNAN MO?

  • batangpaslit

    the statue of Black Nazarene is carved out of wood by the hands of men
    but the Roman Catholic Church endorses and encouraged their parishioners to worship the wood as the reprsentation of GOD
    such teachings and practice is clearly detestable before the sight of the Holy One
    for one, the false image of the Black Nazarene is a gross misrepresentation of GOD. the Creator and the Author of Life is a spirit, He has no physical form.
    Christ said, humankind must worship GOD in spirit and in truth. Jesus Christ is the Truth.
    two, the god in the form of Black Nazarene that the Roman Catholic Church adore have eyes but could not see; have ears, but could not hear; have feet, but could not walk.
    what kind of god is this Black Nazarene?
    three, what happened to the shavings that was carved out from the wood? were they not thrown to the garbage trash?
    or, was it used as firewood to cook the food of the men that helped carved out the false god, the Black Nazarene?

    no wonder the Philippines is a rotting country. for 85% of her populace who claims to be Roman Catholic parishioners are idolatrous.
    the true Living GOD will not bless idolatrous nations.
    look at most the nations that were under the spell of the idolatrous church, Latin America, Spain, and the Philipines
    are these nations prosperous?

    idolatry is the bane of the old homeland, Philippines, under the shackles of the idolatrous Roman Catholic Church

    Cardinal Tagle once said that the people of GOD must get out from “Egypt”. the Cardinal is correct.
    well meaning Filipinos must indeed get out from “Egypt” to gain liberty from being enslaved all their life.
    Hispanic Catholicism, Roman Catholicism—is the “Egypt” of 85% of Filipinos.
    if I were a parishioner of these idolatrous church, I would heed the counsel of Cardinal Tagle: get out from Hispanic/Roman Catholicism.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      BEFORE YOU DO THAT, WHY DON’T YOU TRY TO EXPERIENCE IT SO THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IT BETTER?  DON’T YOU THINK THAT COMMENTING AGAINST SOMETHING YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS NOT SENSIBLE?

      SO, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR…JOIN AND EXPERIENCE THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU ARE AGAINST SO THAT YOU GET THE REAL RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTIONS…

      EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER, DON’T YOU THINK SO?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         Experience is an excellent teacher, indeed.  And experience has taught me that I can communicate directly with God at any place, at any time and that no one and no thing mediates between God and me!

      • thoughtsarefree

        Long before I became a Christian, I felt that I had found the “god within” and that I was “one with nature” (thanks to the Celestine Prophecy, Deepak Chopra, Zen, yoga, and a bunch of other reading materials). I felt that I could communicate with God anytime and anywhere. GOD was in Me,and one day I can become a God by going into an altered, higher state of consciousness (when is the “higher” state of consciousness high enough, anyway?).  
        This is the New Age god, which draws from Eastern spirituality, Gnosticism, American Indian philosophies, and mystical and humanistic views. It is anything goes; what is true for you is not true for me. And it sounds beautiful and good because it espouses “tolerance” in a world filled with religious and political controversy.The individual becomes the standard for truth. In a world where everything is true, God is changeable, subjective experience is the best teacher, and there is no judgment; what is right and what is wrong?  

      • thoughtsarefree

        Experience is important, but it can also be subjective and should be tested against the Word of God (Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world 1 John 4:1, NIV). 

        The Bible should be the final authority on matters of faith and morals.

        Psalm 19:7: The instructions of the Lord are perfect… 
        Matthew 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away
        Mark 7:13: And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others. 

        The bible says there is only one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus Christ connects us to God, not statues.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I am not saying anything not in conformity with your quotations.

        Mine is only more understandable in layman’s language..
        YOU CANNOT JUDGE ANYONE 
        FAITH IS THE INDIVIDUAL’s RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD…
        SO LONG AS THAT INDIVIDUAL BELIEVES THAT WHAT HE IS DOING WILL BRING HIM CLOSER TO GOD…YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE HIM AND GOD.

        As you and I know, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER,
        EXCEPT THRU ME, says JESUS CHRIST.

      • thoughtsarefree

        If, for example, I believe that “anting-anting” will bring me closer to God, is that okay when the bible clearly warns us against magic charms and sorcery?

        The bible is clear on the standards of right and wrong. “Do not judge lest you be judged” is one of the most misunderstood verses of the bible. Let me ask you, is rape and murder right or wrong according to the bible? God gives us the standards to judge in some areas.  I can judge what is true or false, right or wrong, sinful and righteous based on the Scripture. Our standard on right and wrong is not our feelings, experiences, traditions, or opinions. It is the Scripture. If a statue takes the place of God in our hearts, then this is clearly wrong. In 2 Kings 18:4, Hezekiah destroyed the bronze snake that Moses made in Numbers 21:9 because the Israelites were already burning incense to it.  And what he did was “right in the eyes of the Lord”

        Here’s a Reuters report. You yourself can judge if some devotees have not substituted God for the image: “Roman Catholic devotees flocked around the carriage with the wooden, life-sized statue known as the ‘Black Nazarene’ as it crawled through the city, praying that a slight touch would bless them, healing their illnesses and those of their relatives. Others participated to give thanks for answered prayers, such as a new job, a baby and even winning lotteries.”

  • brunogiordano

    “This is a way of expressing one’s faith. It is an expression of their devotion. We all know we don’t worship statues. We worship God and if these statues would `bridge us to Go,’ then we want to connect with God using these statues,” he said.

    Typical na paliwanag ng mga religious leaders.

    Hindi nila maipaliwanang ang nais nila sabihin lalo na kung bistadong sila ay nambubula at halata na sila mismo ay hindi naniniwala sa kanilang sinasabi.

    Bakit hindi masabi na SPADE AS A SPADE???

    “To “call a spade a spade” is to speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity or embarrassing nature.”

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    Perhaps Einstein’s quip is worth repeating here:  “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
    - – - – -

    One of the absurd arguments that anti-RH law Catholics put across was that it would involve the use of taxpayers’ money, meaning including the taxes they themselves paid, to fund contraceptive practices contrary to the dictates of their religion and that therefore the RH law would violate their “freedom of religion.”
     
    If the same kind of absurd reasoning were to be followed, then the “Black Nazarene” festival ought not to be allowed because it entails the use of parks, roads, and other public facilities, as well as the deployment of government personnel, all of which also entail the use of taxpayers’ money, meaning including the taxes paid by non-Catholics and non-believers, and that therefore it violates the “freedom of religion” of non-Catholics and non-believers.

  • RNKR2005

    “we want to connect with God using these statues”
    Isn’t there a verse in the Bible that says Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to God/Heaven?

    • thoughtsarefree

      for there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 2:5. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         There is no God but God!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

      yes there is,i am the way the truth and the life jesus said in the bible verse.Dont use statues in you belief

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        MASTER MO NA BA ANG LIBRO?  EH, DI ANG KAILANGAN MO NA LANG AY MATAGPUAN O MAINTINDIHAN ANG KATOTOHANAN.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

        yun nga pinaintindi kita kasi wala ka alam sa bible

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        KUNG ANG IBIG MONG SABIHIN NIYAN, EH, NAIINTIDIHAN MO NA ANG BIBLE, KAYA HINAHATULAN MO ANG IBA NA HINDI SILA NAKAKAINTINDI.

        IKAW LANG ANG NAKAKAINTINDI.  HINDI BA KAYABANGAN ANG TAWAG DIYAN ? 

        HINDI NAMAN MAHIRAP INTINDIHIN ‘YUNG ‘ANG NAGMAMATAAS AY IBINABAGSAK…ANG NAGMAMABABA AY ITINATAAS.

        EH, MUKHANG NASA ITAAS KA NA…SAAN SA PALAGAY MO ANG SUSUNOD NA MANGYAYARI SA IYO ?

  • frudo

    bukas marami na nman hihimatayin, masasaktan, at wag nman sana may mamamtay bukod sa grabeng trafic ang idudulot nito at grabe rin basura ang iiwan, masyado ring peligroso sa mga tao, lalo nat kababaihan na makipagsiksikan pra lang maipunas ang kanilang twalyita sa imaheng kahoy, ito ba tlga ang tinuturo ng sinasabing tamang relihiyon? di ba malinaw na idolatry ito na pinagbabawal sa aral ng Dios na buhay, pero bakit pinapayagan ng catholic church,, sana makalaya na ang mga Pilipino sa kamangmangan,

  • browndarwinian

    “I hope, before we make easy judgments about devotions, we must fully
    understand why people express their faith the way they do. Popular piety
    involves the whole person, not just the mind. It might me a mystical
    experience even which we do not understand. We only need to respect
    them,” – Jose Clemente Ignacio.

    ‘People always demand respect for their faith. Why should I respect
    someone who makes enormous claims on no evidence? And when confronted
    with that fact, says “I don’t need any evidence, I have faith”. I think
    extraordinary claims such as that they know not just that there is a
    God, but they know his mind, they know his instructions, they’ve had
    revealed truth from him. A claim like that demands extraordinary
    evidence. Instead of which they say ‘How about no evidence at all and
    just take me on faith.” Why am I supposed to respect that? I don’t
    respect it. I suspect it.

    Is it good for the world to appeal to our credulity and not to our skepticism. Is it good for the world to worship a deity that takes sides
    in wars and human affairs. To appeal to our fear and to our guilt. To
    our terror of death. To preach guilt and shame about the sexual act and
    the sexual relationship. To terrify children with the image of hell, and
    eternal punishment, not just of themselves but of their parents and
    those they love. Worse of all, to consider women an inferior creation.
    Is that good for the world?’ -Hitch
     

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      There are things in this world that our eyes can not see, some events in our life which will never fully understand and small voices within us which we will not hear. Have a little faith my friend.

  • cogito728sum

    While my good friend, mad, borrowed from Einstein, I’d like to borrow from a mind 2 millennia ahead of him who might have inspired him. 
     
    Lucretius (99-55 BCE)  believed that ”…piety lies in not being often seen turning a veiled head to stones, nor in approaching every altar, nor in lying prostrate…before the temples of the gods, nor in sprinkling altars with the blood of beasts (an early religious sacrifice to propatiate the gods, my emphasis)…but rather in being able to look upon all things with a mind of peace.”
     
    Lucretius reminds us likewise that: “Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum”, to so many evils religion had persuaded man, a truism applicable two thousand years ago as it is today.  Still, without offending the sensibilities of say a Mang Teban, religion holds a vice grip in our minds.  We just cannot, or shall I say willingly, refuse superstition and mythology.  We have been, arguably more than any other culture, enamored with it treating it as our only salvation.
     
    Lucretius foresaw what Einstein proved, that the universe is composed of atoms just as man is.  Still we refuse this reality preferring rather the romantic benefit of myth. Most of these participants in this procession, call them adherents if you will, may not even know why they are there.  They are just magnetized by the mass of human body ignoring the threat of injury  or even death.  The question one is compelled to ask is if such a human behaviour is beneficial to the moral,religious, or ethical affairs of the Filipino, why the rampant corruption, immorality and crimes?  Which forces one to go back to Lucretius’ observation that indeed: “tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.”

    My apology to the religious and thank you!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

    Yung lahat ng makasalanan pumupunta jan para ma-cleanse kuno ang kasamaan nila. After that, they will go back to their evil ways. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      SAAN MO NAKITA O NABASA SA BIBLE NA MAYROON KANG KARAPATAN, O SINUMAN, NA HATULAN ANG IBA?

      TAYKA MUNA…NAKAKABASA KA NA NGA BA?  NAG-E-EVOLVE KA NA…ANG KAILANGAN NA LANG MAINTINDIHAN MO ANG BINABASA MO.

      GO DARWIN GO…LITTLE BY LITTLE MAGKAKAROON KA NG IMPROVEMENT.

    • floro salvador

      Don’t judge lest you will be judged!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    MAPUPUNA SA MGA KOMENTARYONG NARIRITO ANG PAGKAKAISA NG MGA GUSTONG MANG-INSULTO SA PANINIWALA O PANANAMPALATAYA NG IBA.  SILA-SILA, KAHIT PARE-PAREHO ANG KANILANG PANINIWALA AT PAG-AGLAHI SA MGA DEBOTO NG BLACK NAZARENE, SILA PA RIN ANG MGA HINDI MATAHIMIK, DAHIL SA PAKIKISAWSAW SA BAGAY NA HINDI NILA MAINTINDIHAN.

    NAKATUTUWA SILANG PAGMASDAN NA KINUKUNSUMI ANG KANILANG MGA SARILI KUNG PAANONG MATAPOS ANG DI-BIRONG PAGHIHIRAP SA PRUSISYON AY MAKIKITA NILA ANG MGA DEBOTO SA KANILANG DI-MATINGKALANG KASIYAHAN…MAY MGA FEELING OF ACHIEVEMENT, SAMANTALANG SILA AY NAGDURUSA WITH THEIR FEELINGS OF BEWILDERMENT.

    ISANG MABISANG PARAAN PARA MAUNAWAAN NILA ITO AY DANASIN NILA ANG DINARANAS NG MGA DEBOTO.  SO, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, WHY NOT JOIN?   EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER.

    HANGGANG HINDI NILA NAUUNAWAAN O INUUNAWA ANG DEBOSYON NG MGA TAO, SILA-SILA MISMO, KAHIT PARE-PAREHO SILA SA IISANG PANIWALA, HINDI SILA MASISIYAHAN SA ISA’T ISA, O KASAMA NG MGA KAPAREHO NILA NG PANINIWALA.

    KAYA, NAKIKISAWSAW SILA DITO.  MAKABUBUTING HUWAG NA LANG SILANG PANSININ.  IGNORE THEM. SILA ANG NAHIHIRAPAN, WALA SILANG PEACE OF MIND, KAHIT MASTERS NA NILA ANG MGA BINABASA NILA, NANANATILING HINDI NILA MATAGPUAN ANG KATOTOHANAN.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

      ULUL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        SUMINGIT KA NA NAMAN…KAIINGGITAN MO ANG MILYON-MILYONG HABANG NAGSA-SAKRIPISYO AY NAGKAKAROON NG FEELING OF ACHIEVEMENT…

        PERO, IKAW ‘YAN LANG KAYA MONG SABIHIN…

        KAYA HINDI TOTOO ANG DARWIN’s THEORY OF EVOLUTION…DAHIL HINDI KA NAGBAGO, HANGGANG NGAYON UNGGOY KA PA RIN.

    • Allan Tenko

      EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER…..I DONT THINK SO…
       ” THE BIBLE IS YOUR BEST TEACHER…”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        HOW DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LEARN THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE WITHOUT READING, LISTENING, AND UNDERSTANDING EXPERIENCES ABOUT THE BIBLE?

      • Allan Tenko

        TH BIBLE SAID VERY CLEAR ABOUT IDOLATRY…IF U READ IT YOU SHOULD KNOW…NO BUT NO EXCUSES…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        DID I EVER SAY IDOLATRY IS DIVINE?
        YOU ARE THE ONES THAT THE PRACTICE IF THESE DEVOTEES IS IDOLATROUS? 

        WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID YOU SEE NA NAGSASABING MAY KARAPATAN KANG HUMATOL SA IBA?

      • floro salvador

        i clicked ‘like’ in your post with sarcasm. Bible? you said the Bible? who told you that the book you are reading is the Bible? tell me, who said it is the Bible? ANSWER MY QUESTION FIRST. OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO POINT FOR ME TO ARGUE WITH YOU! I AM WILLING TO CHALLENGE YOU IN EVERY BIT!!!! 

      • Allan Tenko

        just got home….nice try playing with words…..irrelevance. but its ok..

         who told you that the book you are reading is the Bible? tell me, who said it is the Bible? 

        OFCOURSE EARLY CHRISTIANS….

        NOW I ASK YOU WHO IS CHRISTIANS?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

      basahin mo ang bible,dyan ka ma  save sa mga kasalanan mo hindi ang nazarene na rebolto

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Master mo ang libro…HANGGANG NGAYON HINDI MO PA KILALA ANG KATOTOHANAN…ako ay nag-e-enjoy sa buhay…HABANG IKAW AY NAIINGGIT.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

        di mo kasi alam yun lang ang sagot mo inggit dapat nga paslamat ka sa akin para ma save ka kasi bro sa bibliya ang tama di sa rebolto nyo kuha ma bro

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        IKAW ANG HINDI MATAHIMIK, SA KABILA NG MGA NABASA MO NA ANG PINANINIWALAAN MONG DAPAT MONG BASAHIN.

        AT FYI ALSO, NABASA KO RIN ANG SINASABI MONG DAPAT KONG BASAHIN.  ANG PAGKAKAIBA NATING DALAWA, MARUNONG AKONG GUMALAWANG SA PANINIWALA NG IBA…IKAW SARILI MO LANG ANG PINANINIWALAAN MO NA GUSTO MONG IDIKTA SA IBA. NGAYON, PINAGDURUSAHAN MO NA ANG SELFISHNESS MO. 

        ANG NAGMAMATAAS AY IBINABAGSAK…ANG NAGMAMABABA AY ITINATAAS.

  • Allan Tenko

    “Kissing or holding on to the statues is not worshiping statues… ANU DAW???
     KC NMN TRAITS NTN KC…. HALLLEEERRRR…….

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      Yes, that is true. Why do you keep a picture of your love one in your wallet? Why do you keep videos of your wedding, birthdays, etc. When you kiss your wife’s picture when you miss her, does it occur to that you are kissing a piece of paper? Or do you imagine that you have just shown affection to someone you really love and long for. It is not the image, it is the person.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6HW7KNQMQIDNHVGF24DOPVEYR4 neo

        Sige Mr. Dodjie Basco bigay ko yung picture ng aso ko sa misis tapos halikan nya sabihin nya ikaw yun …. ok lang ba syo , pano mo nalaman na ganon ang itsura ng panginoon Jesus at hahalikan mo sa paa sa palagay mo ba hindi sya magalit nagtatanong lang po ako , gusto ko lang malaman pasensya na po

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        That is why there is the word FAITH. 

  • carlorocci

    “Other practices that became an issue which our parochial vicar had to attend to include the selling of dried sampaguitas offered in Church as well as oils used for cleaning the Black Nazarene. Some took advantage of this and made money out of it,” Ignacio said.
    Ganoon din po dapat ang kasal at binyag ay walang bayad….Pati na rin po iyon misa para sa mga patay ay wala na rin po na bayad, at wala na rin po yun first class at second class na misa para dito………

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

      Wala naman talaga bayad ang binyag at kasal sa simbahan. Kaya ngakakroon ng fee, kapag gusto ng tao ng red carpet, flowers, choir, etc. Madami kaming pinapaksal sa simbahan ng libre.

      • carlorocci

        Maniwala ako sa iyo? Ano naman masasabi mo sa binyag at misa para sa patay?

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Wala naman talagang bayad yun. Meron bang humihingi ng bayad. Libre dapat ang serbisyo ng mga pare. Sa experience ko wala pang pari na humihingi sa akin ng bayad. Nagbayad ako sa sound system, sa choir, sa transportation, etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    Gee!  And here I thought that praying to a statue was idolatry!  Of course, this wouldn’t be the first time someone in the Catholic church was wrong!

  • $14170612

    if this a true devotion considering millions of filipino joining them,maybe half of manila populations were renewed catholics that was great…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XALR35ENV2XKV327BZGZ7Q5Z5Q Ernesto

      true devotion,idols ang sinasamba,di naman makakatulong yan

  • http://www.facebook.com/noel.g.mayor Noel G. Mayor

    Review your bible  Monsignor Jose Clemente Ignacio.

    • dee jay Halal

      exactly!
       Monsignor Jose Clemente Ignacio, rector of the Minor Basilica of the Black Nazarene, said the feast is a unique expression of Filipino spirituality and popular piety “to experience `heaven’ even for a short glimpse.”Oh my gosh!!!

    • floro salvador

      Bible? who told you that the Bible you are quoting is a Bible? why do you call it a Bible? tell me. Who said it is a Bible? I DEMAND A STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER FROM YOU! otherwise, you are no more than a pretentious expert of the Scriptures. ‘little knowledge is dangerous”

  • dee jay Halal

    exactly!

     Monsignor Jose Clemente Ignacio, rector of the Minor Basilica of the Black Nazarene, said the feast is a unique expression of Filipino spirituality and popular piety “to experience `heaven’ even for a short glimpse.”Oh my gosh!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    Ah basta hindi raw idolatry yun, maniwala na kayo, please.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Parang wala na yung Noel na bayadan sa anti-Catholic posts nya?

  • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

    if its not worship why did the church remove gods second most important commandment from the 10 commandments. the one that says thou shall not make or worship graven images for god is a jealous god. the key word jealous. then they took the tenth commandment and split it into to make 9 and 10.the reason this was done because the pagans who worshiped idols would not join the chuch unles they had images to worship.what is funny the statute in st peters church in rome as had his feet replaced 3 times because they were kissed off. its not even peter it is the god jupiter who the chruch borrowed or rented

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      The LORD said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.”

      How much more if it is the image of the Lord!

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        i heard about that stupid remark before. the lord can do what he wantsbut when he tells you ,you had better listendoes god look like a snake.tell me why the second commandment was removed oh enlightened one. go read your holy sacraments

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        who told you that we have 9 commandments? there is 10! your pastors twisted again the truth and fooled you!

        ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image- 2nd. This is the Israelites making idol gods!

      • chitetskoy

        then the Catholic ten commandment tablet displays must not omit the “Make yourself an idol…” thing! now it’s clear who is the real liars.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        did i say there wasnt ten commandments they took the tenth which was do not covet thy neighbors wive or goods and made it innto 2 commandments as i said before but the light doesnt seem to come on i dont have any pastors i dont belong to any offical church how many times do i have to say this

      • chitetskoy

        Did God or even Jesus commanded to his disciples to make a graven image of himself and worship it? Stupid argument.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Graven image was in Old Testament. Jesus disciple not yet born. God was commanded the Israelites to make a bronze graven image of a serpent that who is bitten can look at it and live. Nang na gawa na ang image ang tinginan nalang ba ang mga Isrelites?

    • buttones

      Why did the Church of Rome decide to alter the Ten Commandments of God handed down to Moses? Which is, when you look at it a bit arrogant if you ask me- The idea that they changed the Laws to appease the masses, to gain more market share does make sense.

  • Mark Philip Wu

    If you believe in a God that is all powerful, all knowing, and omni-present; just why would you think a God like that would need a little statue to contain his power? Is there supposed to be something that the black nazarene can do that God could not? 

    And what of the 150+ people that get hurt or die during the procession? Is that all part of the plan? Why can’t they be saved/performed miracles on by the thing they’re hoping can perform miracles? Or is the black nazarene’s powers limited to passing exams and healing diseases that would have healed on their own/with medicine anyway?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Those are your self-made problems.  Come to analyze everything with honesty, even to yourself only.  All of these have been causing you no peace of mind.  You witness people, thru TV reports, if not in person, bearing all hardships and difficulties, and even injuries.  After no less than 24 hours of enduring all these sacrifices, they will end up all full of newly induced vigors and hopes,  THEY ALL HAVE THE FEELING OF ACHIEVEMENT.

      While you, with all your seemingly sensible self-made problems, end up with FEELINGS OF BEWILDERMENT.

      Now, which one do you think has the better feeling,,,ACHIEVEMENT OR BEWILDERMENT ?

      • Mark Philip Wu

        What some call achievement, others call delirium. Why don’t you ask Rency Matias, a 16 year old whose neck was possibly broken today, what feeling of achievement she’s feeling?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        …there is free will. People can exercise great caution. 

        The end point of this is to acknowledge the saving power of our Lord and King! All are sorry and remorse of the sins committed!

        If they dont repent, they are accountable to their own sins!

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        Is she one of those injured during the parade?

        I think she went there on her own. No one forced her to be there. If she is a devotee, I am sure she moved heaven and hell to be there. And will she join the procession again next year? I believe so.

        Why? Only the person knows why. Only God can see through the hearts of the people, as Msgr. Ignacio said.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang feeling of pain ay nanggagaling sa utak…ika nga, “it’s all in the mind”

        Ngayon, KAYONG MGA MATATALINO, ang Namumruroblema, habang nag-e-enjoy ang iba sa very same thing — NA IYONG PINOPROBEMA, NA NABIBIGAY KASIYAHAN SA KANIYA — sino sa inyo ang mas gag0?  don’t you think that you, being the one with the problem, is the one who has something to solve?

        DI BA IKAW ANG NAGDI-DILIRYO?

        DI MO BA ALAM. O AYAW MO LANG TANGGAPIN NA TANGGAP NG MGA DEVOTEES NA MASASAKTAN SILA SA KANILANG GINAGAWA, KAYA ANUMAN ANG MANGYARI SA KANILA, TANGGAP NILA NANG MALUWAG SA KANILANG PUSO AT KALOOBAN.

        AT NGAYON, IKAW ANG NAHIHIRAPAN…ANG NAGDI-DILIRYO.

  • bugoybanggers

    Yung mga nagmamagaling na mga miembro ng mga KULTO, back off! Nakikialam na naman kayo. Mga pakialamero at ingiterong mga miembrong mga ungas na PASTOR. Ang okasyong ito ay para sa mga Katoliko lang at hindi kayo sakop! Nagmamagaling kayo para MANIRA? Bakit sa ibang RELIGION, hindi kayo umaasta! Uwi na lang kayo at matulog tutal ligtas na kayo ayon sa PASTOR ninyo at panatalihin ninyong isaULO ang mga dinagdag at pinalaganap na sinulat ng PASTOR ninyong bibliya. Bukas na lang kayo mag bahay bahay, simulan ninyo sa lugar ng mga MUSLIM. okay?

    • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

      HIndi kaya ikaw ang miyembro ng kulto? Sinasamba ninyo ang rebultong negro. Pag me prusisyong gaya nito, damay ang lahat ng madaanan ninyo katoliko man o hindi. Peste sa traffic, salot sa basura, at ilang krimen gaya ng pandurukot. Me suggestion ako, palitan mo na ang title mo ng: ‘BUGOKBUNGANGEROS’ mas bagay.Peace man.

      • bugoybanggers

        Wag ka ng umasta, Hayaan mo pag patay ka na o kahit ngayon mag pakamatay ka na. Patunayan mo sa akin na ligtas ka. Ikaw ang nagpapabulok sa lipunan. Tama nga naman ang turo ng PASTOR mong si SATANAS, manira at siraan ang mga KATOLIKO dahil sila ang hadlang sa kanyang paghahari. O ano pa, ihanda mo na ang mga BOMBANG nagawa mo.. punta kayo sa lugar ng QUIAPO at pasabugin ninyo sa loob ng simbahan. Siguruhin mo na maraming tao. Ipakita mo ang galing mo!

  • godofthunder16

    Jesus moshpit!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OW3ZA3Q47JXAM4K6TIYVSSGHSM Philipt

    This is the same issue with the Sto. Nino. There are so many different type of Sto. Nino for the fishermen, police men and etc. Why can’t they just pray to Jesus directly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

    Respect others’ beliefs as how you want them to respect yours.

    Respect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NMM3BZ5SAKNWSIDYG3BSIOFNKY Stephen

    “Kissing or holding on to the statues is not worshiping statues, it is connecting to the divine, to touch and be touched by heaven itself,” Ignacio said.

    Yeah and a very good way you can get all the viruses & germs from it. I’m pretty sure after this event people will contract AIDS, Hepatitis, TB and all other diseases available. Hope your god can heal you.

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      Yes. I think He did heal many of them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Abdul-Rashid/100004367910013 Abdul Rashid

    If you change the meaning of idolatry, yes devotion to lack Nazarene is not  But in the eyes of God it is plain and simple idolatry and God is not pleased. So unless you repent you will surely burn in hell.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000085828341 Napoleon Adrian Sunico Berroya

    Pastors etc. Back Off muna , masyado na kayung nangiinsulto ng rehilyon namin, oo mga deboto kami , saka FYI di naman itong tinatawag nyong Idoltary kasi ibaba pananaw nyo sa amin, tandaan nyo bago kayu maging Born again naging katoliko kayu, saka FYI CATHOLIC is Different from Roman Catholic, masyado kayung humusga ng kapwa, respect lang  ……

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

    ANG SABI SA BIBLIA SA DEUTERONOMIO : WAG KANG GAGAWA NG MGA LARAWAN NA INANYUAN NA KATULAD NG SA LANGIT SAPAGKAT ITO’Y KARUMALDUMAL SA PANGINOON MONG DIOS….. WALA SA BIBLIYANG BLACK NAZARENE…SANA MAUNAWAAN NG MGA TAO NA ITO EH ISANG GAWA NG DEMONYO PARA LINLANGIN ANG MGA TAO SA KANILANG PANINIWALA…

    • floro salvador

      Alec, you are quoting the Bible. first let me ask you-  Who told you that the book you are reading and quoting is the Bible?  Why do call it the Bible? who told you it is the Bible? I DEMAND AN ANSWER FROM YOU! if you don’t, then you are nothing but a Bible-quoting maniac that does not know much besides memorizing Bible verses especially those that support your myopic belief at the expense of other verses.  indeed, ‘little knowledge is dangerous’.  ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

        eh di basahin mo nga sa bibliya bersikulo ng deuteronomy tangaaa…para malaman mo na ang sinabi ko at babasahin mo eh magkapareho o hindi…o baka naman gusto mo sabihin ko rin sayo kung saan sa deuteronomy…Deut. 7:25 basahin mo at ng di ka tanga sa pagtatanung mo…kung katoliko ka basahin mo sa bibliyang katoliko kung gusto mo naman sa king james version na bible..at kung talagang gusto mong malaman na nakasulat talaga ito eh basahin mo ng buo ang deuteronomy para naman maliwanagan ka at di ka tanga sa mga pinagagagawa ng mga paring katoliko…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

        at para malaman mo naman kung bakit ang tawag eh bibliya ganito yunf LORO: BIBLIYA EH PINAGSAMASAMANG AKLAT PAGKA ISANG AKLAT LANG ANG TAWAG EH BIBLIYOS..AT ETO NAMAN ANG SAGOT KO SA WHO TOLD YOU IT IS THE BIBLE?? KASI BINASA KO SA DEUTERONOMY AT ALAM KO ANG HAWAK NG PARI AT HAWAK KO NA BINASA KO EH PAREHO LANG ANG PAGKASALIN…IKAW BA NABASA MO NA ANG KAPITULO NG DEUTERONOMY PARA TANUNGIN MO AKO NG GANYANG TANUNG??? O TAMAD KANG MAGBASA KAYA DI MO ALAM???KAYA KAYO NALOLOKO DAHIL TAMAD KAYONG MAGBASA…at di mo naman klangan na imemorized mo ang bible, para sa dagdag na impormasyon sayo Mr. LORO me computer na ise-search mo na lang… siguro nasagot ko na tanung mo ano??? tanung mo naman sa pari mo kung totoo ba na me black nazarene sa bibliya na dapat sambahin….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Di po sinsamba ang Black Nazarene. Ito po ay isang Religious Feast.

    • ApoNiLolo

      Kung hindi ka sang-ayon sa paniniwala ng katoliko, pabayaan mo at respetuhin. Huwag mong ipag-diinan ang paniwala mo sa kanila. Sa nakikita ko, talo ka, dahil ikaw itong ng gagalaiti sa inis sa inaakala mong maling pananampalataya ng iba.

      Ika nga, kanya-kanyang paraan yan sa pag samba sa inyong panginoon. Kung sayo, maayos na yung mag basa lang ng bibliya sa iba naman maghapong umawit. Sa katoliko ang makipagsiksikan at hindi alintana ang kapahamakan makahipo lang sa kung aling parte ng rebolto ay isang uri din ng pag samba. >: D

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

        ang talunan eh yung walang alam APONILOKO, me kanya kanya tayong pahayag tulad ng sinabi mo na kanya kanyang paniniwala lang dapat…sinabi ko lang na mababasa sa deuteronomy, ngayun kung sa tingin mo eh nakakasakit sa inyo ang sinabi ko na nakasulat sa bibliya eh dapat sabihin mo sa pari mo na wag na magdala at magbasa ng bibliya para naman sa ganun eh di ka masaktan…baka me bibliya ka sa bahay basahin mo rin at kung mabasa mo at masaktan ka eh ipamigay mo na lang ang bibliya mo sa iba na maniniwala sa nakasulat…hindi ako nagsulat nung nasa deuteronomy kaibigan…biro mo salita ng dios ang sinabi ko na nakasulat sa bibliya galit ka…binasa na ba sa inyo ng pari mo o hindi pa yun kaya di mo alam???  Ang sinasabi ko me basehan sa bibliya na nakasulat sa deuteronomy…ikaw ba me basehan yang sinasabi mo na makipagsiksikan at humipo sa kung alin mang parte ng rebulto eh isang uri ng pagsamba??? o ito eh gawagawa lang ng mga pari mo???

      • ApoNiLolo

        Iyan ang kulang sayo – ang maghimay ng mga hakang nakalatag sa harapan mo. Mabilis kang tumalon sa konklusyon na hindi napag tanto ang lahat. Kalakip doon ang salungat mong pahayag sa akin sa komento mo sa itaas.

        Mabilis ding pumasok sa isipan mong ako’y isang katoliko dahil lamang sa pakiwari mong ako’y kampi sa kanila at hindi sa iyo. >: D

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

        di na kailangang himayin ang sinabi mo dahil logic lang na katoliko ka…pero ikinahihiya mo na ngayun dahil sa nalaman mo na hindi tama ang pinagagagawa ninyo…at kung hindi ka katoliko bakit mo sasabihing talo ako?? bakit at saang parte ako talo?? dahil ba sa nasagot ko ang tanung niya at me basehan ako sa mga sinasabi ko?? di ba ikaw ang me kulang et di naghihimay ng mga sinasabi mo??at walang salungat sa sinabi ko di ka lang siguro marunong umintindi…sagutin mo ang tanung ko kung ang makipagsiksikan ba at humipo sa alin mang parte ng rebulto eh isang uri ng pagsamba??? para sabihin mo na ako eh talunan…at di ko pinagdidiinan ang paniniwala ko dahil maniwala ka at hindi ang nakasulat sa bibliya eh di mababago.. at di rin ako nangagalaiti dahil di naman kita kilala ano..iba ang nagtatanung sa tumatanung kaya ganun ang sagot ko…sagutin mo na lang muna tanung ko sayo na naging basehan mo para sabihing talunan ako..

      • ApoNiLolo

        Ang sa akin ay obserbasyon lamang. Ang makakasagot ng tama sa tanong mo ay iyung mga deboto mismo na gumagawa nito na nakaranas ng “kaluwalhatian” sa paraan ng kanilang pag samba.

        Napansin ko ring literal ang pakahulugan mo sa lahat ng tinuringan ko. Sanayin mong mag-obserba ng kapaligiran na ang isip ay sa labas ng kahon. Nang sa gayun ay matatag ang iyong paghimay at malinaw ang iyong pang unawa. >: D

        Pahabol: Ang pag tiklada ng mga letra gamit ang “Caps Lock” ay isang pakahulugang sumisigaw at pinagdidiinan ang sinasabi ng sumusulat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lovely.guevarra.56 Lovely Guevarra

      Nakakakilabot naman ang sinasabi mo, sigurado ka ba na gawa gawa ng demonyo ang pagiging deboto ng Black Nazarene, e di ba nagbabasa ka ng Bibliya, sana basahin mo din ang nakasulat na isa sa sampung utos ng Diyos, HUWAG KANG MANGHUSGA NG IYONG KAPWA.  Un ang malinaw, Ang Diyos lang ang tunay na nakakaalam kung ano ang tunay na nasa puso ng bawat tao… Parepareho lang tayong sumasamba sa iisang Diyos, iba iba lang ang pananaw, at lahat, makasalanan…Nadagdagan pa ng isa ang kasalanan mo sa mga sinabi mo.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      MERON SA BIBLIA BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

  • mentargu

    the black nazarene was made by an unknown mexican sculptor as mentioned by the inquirer (www.facebok.com/inquirerdotnet). now how can we feel heaven by touching that..kahit sabihin natin through the power of the priest or cnu mang nakakataas kaya naging sagrado, hndi naman cguro iyon ang trabaho nila.ang trabaho ata nila ay magpreach.magturo,.sabihin ang totoong sinasabi ng bibliya..wala atang nabanggit sa bibliya na ganyang practic. balik tayo sa heaven, im not sure kung literal na langit ang binanggit sa article na to pero kung xa nga ay maging literal din tau.mga namatay lang pwede makaranas ng langit.hehe.hndi lang un kelangan din na hndi makasalanan or dumaan sa judgement pero makasalanan nga tau..swerte naman kung nagkakasala tau naranasan natin ang langit..kung sa ibang kahulugan naman ay cguro ito ang “bliss” or nirvana not sure..ngaun, pwede ding maranasan ang ganun kung hindi lalabagin ang sampung utos, magbasa ng bibliya, do good.

    ito pa..pag tignan natin sa wikipedia, dito lang pala sa pilipinas ginaganap ito.maswerte taung mga pilipino kung ganun? cguro nga ay hindi ko pa na-experience ang feeling sa ganitong activity, naexperience ko naman ang milagro sa aking pagdarasal..kc naniniwala ako parehas sa paniniwala nyo na direkta ang komunikasyon naming dalawa through Christ (not the wooden).

  • buttones

    Perhaps this Prince of Rome can tell me why the Church had the audacity to simply wipe out the second commandment in the first place..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      fool! who told you that! your pastor? you ve been fooled! 

      The Church never revised the 10 commandments!

      • buttones

        Pastor? What Pastor? Who he?

        -Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments—

        You may not be aware but as we chat, there are hundreds of thousands of people kissing a wooden statue in Manila, if that isn’t dismissing the second Commandment as irrelevant I don’t know what is…..and you speak to me about being ‘fooled’ by priests? OMG!

      • chitetskoy

        Exodus 20:1 – 17. The third commandment has been omitted and the supposedly last one has been split into two.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        denial is a terrible thing read exodus 20  2thro 17 they removed the second commandment in the 4th century

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        i have no pastor i dont believe in a organized church just like rizal. i have spent countless hours researching the catholic since i used to be one. i am a christian and no one on this earth can condemn me to hell. that is between me and god and it sure isnt you

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        why is it when people talk religion the name calling begins. you call your self a christian actions speak louder than words

      • frudo

        hindi mo na kailangan ang Pastor para lang maintindihan ang sinasabi sa Exodus  20,  try mo basahin baka maintindihan mo na di mo na kilangan pang mag name calling,

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Catholic Church Ten Commandments is the original then came the Protestant and Christian churches .

      • buttones

        -Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments—

        So why are Catholics out in their millions adoring a wooden statue? Ignoring the second commandment?
        And might I add, when these Laws were handed down to Moses, and quite good Laws they are too, the Catholic Church did not even exist….Jesus was not even born then.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        It is not the 2nd commandments of Catholic Church you’re reading. Catholics did’t practice idolatry. The Lord said to Moses, ” Make a snake and put it up in a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live. Num21:8

      • buttones

        Very true, the Ten Commandments can never be credited to the Church of Rome anyway- that Church never even existed when these Laws were written. It is clearly evident that, in my opinion, today certainly PH Catholics do practice idolatry, there are a million out on the streets doing this very thing as I type. A priest will tell me this is not so and go to great lengths to explain and try to find another excuse, but to me, grasping at the hand if a wooden idol, is idolatry. On your “Make a snake and put it up in a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” I have no idea what this means…..

      • ARIKUTIK

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      • jin2012

        God did not order anyone to make a wooden carved image of Christ, Mary, or the Saints.  You can read the bible it seems,  God ordered Moses to build these items specifically “Lord said to Moses MAKE…”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    Religion is the opium of the masses! When the priests want people to be kept poor and be restricted of education and information access, they will resort to fanaticism! Pedophile priests in this country know this very well.

  • Pert Cabatana

    not idolatry based on the official thinking from church leaders. I suggest that a survey be conducted among the devotees to determine their true attitudes and behavior. If such a survey were to be conducted, I expect that the result would show that the official church view is different from the views held by the masses: it would show that indeed the mass attitude and behavior really veers towards the idolatrous. My expectation is based on inputs from a limited sample of such devotees. As the Monsignor also admits, “there are abused that need to be purified”. So, is the church doing enough to correct the idolatry?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Views are not created the same. That’s simply called views. But the word “stand”of the same group it might be the same as agreed. Abused can’t be avoided it’s human nature. No one is perfect.

  • mon key

    Read the book – Christ in the Philippine Context – to understand this phenomenon. the experience of the Divine in the Philippine context has been an opiate to the dichotomy between the religious experience and day to day living. we have politicians and the ordinary people who exert every effort to get a touch of heaven during the feast of the Black Nazarene, but are willing to look the other way when it comes to theft of government funds, and bribing those in government just to get a certification. the church has encouraged devotion and corruption at the same time. the divine experience needs to be translated into the everyday! 

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    Only true idiots would say that Catholics “worship” images.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

      i say the catholic worship idols and my iq is 146 i dont have stupid written on my forehead. the people here worship and pray to mary than they do to god and jesus.  now they have saints doing gods work by controlling the weather and punishing the poor

      • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

        god loving catholics sure love to call people names

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        OK, next idiot please.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

      yeah!! just hypocrites i think….

  • chitetskoy

    eh bakit kapag nasusunog ang bahay sinasagip pa ang mga santo imbes na sila ang magsalba sa kabahayan mula sa sunog? gising mga kababayan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Gising sa ano? Pag may tv ka at laptop sino uunahin mo pag may sunog?

  • gregorio magoncia

    Mas naniniwala ako sa paliwanag ng Bibliya kesa paliwanag ng pari…

    Hindi daw po idolatry yung ginagawa nila. Pero mas gusto ko na pong maniwala sa salita ng Dios sa bible kaysa sa paliwanag ng pari. Sabi po kasi ng bible, ang idols ay ito – Psalms 115:4-7 “Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but they do not speak; they have eyes, but they do not see; they have ears, but they do not hear; they have noses, but they do not smell; they have hands, but they do not handle; they have feet, but they do not walk; they do not mutter through their throat.” Idolatry po ang pagsamba at paglilingkod sa mga idols. By biblical definition, idol po ang nasa quiapo. FYI.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Ang Bibleya na binabasa mo Ay gawa ng Tao. Paano po yan?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z6U25GIY66GOY64DA3QY7OEB54 ricky

        Gawa nga tao kasi tao ang babasa….. Kung pinasulat ng Diyos yan sa manok maiintindihan mo ba?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Ikaw ang maysabi di po ako. Ngunit walang impossibly sa Panginoong dios. Kaya nyang buhayin si Lazaru, ang manok pa kaya pasulatin?

  • gregorio magoncia

    BASAHIN PO NINYO KAHIT BIBLIYANG KATOLIKO…

    Yamang tayo nga’y lahi ng Dios, ay hindi marapat nating isipin na ang pagka Dios ay katulad ng ginto, o ng pilak, o ng bato, na inukit ng kabihasnan at katalinuhan ng tao.Gawa 17:29kaya nga ipinasulat ng Kristo ang mga aral…para meron tayong batayan sa ating panahon… at wag tayong mag imbento… nag iwan si Kristo ng pattern na ating susundin pag dating sa pananmapalataya..8 Datapuwa’t kahima’t kami, o isang anghel na mula sa langit, ang mangaral sa inyo ng anomang evangelio na iba sa aming ipinangangaral sa inyo, ay matakuwil. 9 Ayon sa aming sinabi nang una, ay muling gayon ang aking sinasabi ngayon, Kung ang sinoman ay mangaral sa inyo ng anomang evangelio na iba kay sa inyong tinanggap na, ay matakuwil.Galacia 1:8-91 Huwag kayong gagawa para sa inyo ng mga diosdiosan, ni magtatayo kayo ng larawang inanyuan o haligi, ni huwag kayong maglalagay ng batong inanyuan sa inyong lupain, upang inyong yukuran yaon: sapagka’t ako ang Panginoon ninyong Dios.Leviticus 26:14 HUWAG KANG GAGAWA para sa iyo ng larawang inanyuan o ng kawangis man ng ANOMANG anyong nasa itaas sa langit, o ng nasa ibaba sa lupa, o ng nasa tubig sa ilalim ng lupa: 5Huwag mong yuyukuran sila, o paglingkuran man sila; sapagka’t akong Panginoon mong Dios, ay Dios na mapanibughuin, na aking dinadalaw ang katampalasanan ng mga magulang sa mga anak, hanggang sa ikatlo at ikaapat na salin ng lahi ng mga napopoot sa akin;EXODUS 20:4-516 Baka kayo’y MANGAGPAKASAMA, at kayo’y GUMAWA sa inyo ng isang LARAWANG INANYUHAN na kawangis ng alin mang LARAWAN, na KAHAWIG ng LALAKE o BABAE,- DEUTERONIMIO 4:1615 Ingatan nga ninyong mabuti ang inyong sarili; sapagka’t wala kayong nakitang anomang anyo nang araw na magsalita ang Panginoon sa inyo sa Horeb mula sa gitna ng apoy: 16 Baka kayo’y mangagpakasama, at kayo’y gumawa sa inyo ng isang larawang inanyuan na kawangis ng alin mang larawan, na kahawig ng lalake o babae,Deuteronomy 15:15-167 MANGAHIYA silang lahat na NANGAGLILINGKOD sa mga LARAWAN, NANGAGHAHAMBOG tungkol sa mga diosdiosan: kayo’y magsisamba sa kaniya 
    KAYONG LAHAT na mga dios.- AWIT 97:719 Kaya’t ang sinomang sumuway sa isa sa kaliitliitang mga utos na ito, at ituro ang gayon sa mga tao, ay tatawaging kaliitliitan sa kaharian ng langit: datapuwa’t ang sinomang gumanap at ituro, ito’y tatawaging dakila sa kaharian ng langit.Mateo 5:19Kung di mo matatanggap ang mga talatang ito..wag ka sa akin maGALIT… sa Dios ka magalit..siya ang may sabi ng mga ito hindi ako… hindi pag mamagaling ang pagsasabi ng totoo…kundi pag mamalsakit yun…gugustuhin ko bang magalit sa akin mga mahal ko sa buhay?? kaya lang no choice ako…dapat susunod ako sa Dios..di baleng magalit ang tao sa akin wag lang ang Dios… God Bless, salamat sa Dios…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSTY5YV5WHH773Q2MICJTHNPXA Alec

      yan ang tama sa tao, kung ano ang nakasulat sa bibliya siaya ang dapat paniwalaan..saludo ako sayo kabayan..

    • http://www.facebook.com/lovely.guevarra.56 Lovely Guevarra

      napakalalim ng mga kataga at may iba ibang interpretasyon ang bawat isa. Tama ang sinabi ng priest, it is only GOD who could see on the hearts of these people. .. Kung naniniwala ang ilan sa mga katagang ito ayon sa kanilang pananaw, sana’y wag din kalimutan ang isa pang utos ng Diyos: DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST OTHERS..Lahat ng tao may emosyon, iba’t iba nga lang ang paraan ng pagpapakita nito. Ngayon, sasabihin nyo pa rin nyo pa rin ba na ang mga katolikong ito ay sumasamba sa statatwang ito at hidi sa tunay na Kristo?Ang Statue ng Black Nazarene ay daan lamang upang mas mapalapit ang tao sa Diyos na ating sinasamba ngunit di natin nakikita.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Graven images. God told the Israelites to put graven images of 2 angels on the top of the ark of the covenant. God told Solomon to put graven image of cherubs and palm trees in his temple. God told the Israelites in the desert to make a graven image of bronze serpent , so that the Israelites who look upon it would be healed. Exudes 25:22/num.21:4-9

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      You don’t know within the heart of those celebrating the feast of Nazarene. If your belief is based in the Word of the Bible that’s good. Go and spread the word of God, turn off your TV, computers, sacrifice your time and money for the poor,the Sick, the imprisoned, the hungry and the thirsty. Can you do that? It’s all in the bible. You spend more time in the computers than in Church. Do you?

      • jin2012

        but did God order anyone to make a statue of Christ or Mary or Calungsod?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        There is any law against it? It is crime?

      • jin2012

        YES!  Read Exodus 20

  • TNDBELIEVER

    These devotees risk limb and life to be able to to touch the Nazarene statue – most probably because they think that their prayers are not enough to convey what they want to say to the Heavenly Father.  It makes one thinkwho they are really praying to – God or the statue itself.  You don’t call that idolatry?  

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

      Simply….N N N N O O O O.

      Tangunin mo sila ng personal ng malaman mo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZS723M7OQL5GJ43IEJMJUDDIY hanep

    Katoliko  ba  ang   mga  Pinoy  bago  dumating si  Magellan ? 

    Pati ang katagang Filipino e hindi naman atin yan.

    Base yan sa hari ng Espanya na si Philip.

    Pag – aralan ang kasaysayan o history
    para malaman natin kung sino tayo.

  • TotoyKalentong

    People will see what they choose to see. Quoting directly from the Bible without understanding the circumstances why they were written and the prevailing situation then is very irresponsible…to say the least ignorance in itself. Otherwise we shall follow:

    A woman who was discovered to be no longer a virgin by the time of her marriage must be stoned to death (Deut. 22:20-21)

    A man who rapes an unmarried virgin must pay her 50 shekels and marry her, and they cannot be divorced (Deut. 22:28). 

    • frudo

      Ang sabi ni Lord Jesus Christ kung sino ang walang kasalanan sya ang unang dumampot ng bato at ibato sa babae na makasalanan . may dumampot ba ng bato? ibig sabihin wala tyo karapatan humusga at hayaan natin ang Dios lamang ang humusga sa tao.

      • $38346712

        Therefore, you don’t have the right to judge the Catholic faithful as idolaters.

      • frudo

        therefore ikaw lang nagsabi na hinuhusgahan ko sila basahin mo mabuti sinulat ko, ikaw ang nanghusga sakin,  wala ka rin right para husgahan ako.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        It is hard to interpret the word of God. Only God know’s who’s right. Million of people died no one says back tell that Catholic Church is right or Protestant or Muslim. But miracles is always happened and it is recorded. The meaning is depend to the believers.

      • jin2012

        Not hard, a lot of it is really straight forward.

        This is why you need to work on it:

        John 17:3
        3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        So Follow it. No one against you.

        Gen: 1:27 So God Created Man in His own Image; In the Image of God He created Him; Male and Female He created them.

        Straight forward “God’s image is like a man”?

      • jin2012

        God sees, hears, feels, loves.
        Man sees, hears, feels, loves.
        Animals sees, hears, feels, but does not “love”.

        Very straightforward.

      • frudo

        Tama lang na isulat or i share ang kung ano ang nakasulat sa Bible, at hayaan na ang Dios ang magbigay ng wisdom para maintindihan ito, So walang husgahan walang name calling, walang sakitan, peace

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        It is started from the Feast of Nazarene. It is their expression of Faith and devotion. But people keep concerned and critical to them by exercising their freedom of expression. Let them be practice their faith, they are not bothered anyone. It is only one day Religious activities.

        1 Corinthians 8:9
        Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become stumbling block to the weak.

      • frudo

        at walang pumipigil sa inyo, pinababayaan nga lang kayo diba. so ano problema dun? Salita ng Dios ang isinulat  hindi yun sariling opinion. 

      • frudo

        hindi nman kailangan pang interpret ang exodus 20 kasi straight commandment yun ng Dios sa atin, pagisipan mo rin at wag laging isipin na hinuhusgahan ka. nakasulat nman and may God give you wisdom to understand,

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        What is exodus 20? What do you mean by straight commandment? God give you a wisdom and freedom. Wag mong sabihin sa aking pag isipan. I am steadfast to my faith. I know how to depend it. You’re not only Judgemental you’re also commanded.

      • frudo

        so bet it, suggestion lang yun di command pero kung na offend kita sorry Sir….

      • $38346712

        I read all your comments here. You judged others. You said amen to Petros Romanus comment. You called Boypalaban as uto-uto because of his faith. Hindi ba yan an example of rash judgement? Pero I forgive you and may God bless you and lead you the way to know him.

      • frudo

        nag amen ako sa Salita ng Dios hindi kay petros romanus,, salita ng Dios ang sinang ayunan ko,  nakita mo na tinawag ko na uto uto si boy palaban pero di mo nakita na si boy palaban ang unang tumawag sa aking ng uto uto, at baka di mo alam na hindi nman katoliko si boy palaban kaya paano mo sasabihin na hinuhusgahan ko ang katoliko,  God bless u too wala ako kasalanan sayo.

      • frudo

        tinatamaan ka kasi ng Salita ng Dios na galing sa naka sulat sa Bible kaya nasasaktan ka kaya iniisip mo hinuhusgahan ka pero di mo naiisip na ikaw ang nanghuhusga sakin, sana makilala mo na ang tunay na Dios ng buhay.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        I never been heart. But Judgemental is a personal habit of unbeliever. If you go to heaven that yours choice not mine but if you go astray by your words against the others is a habit of heavy heart with envy.

      • frudo

        kaw ba at si maninoy ay iisa? kung hindi ka nasasaktan bakit ka nagrereact? wala ako sinabi masama kay maninoy kung susuriin mo ang isinulat ko, 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Nope! I wrongly wrote on your reply. Honest mistake.

      • frudo

        ok no problem, 

      • jin2012

        2 Timothy 3:16-17  
        16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for TEACHING, rebuking, CORRECTING and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MAY BALITA ITONG BLACK NAZARENE NA ITO GAWANG CHINA PEKE!!

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    unfortunately…hindi ito maiintindihan ng mga born against at iglesia ni kulafu…

    they will still insist na worship ito…

    ang kikitid kasi ng mga utak…

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

      sinabi mo pa.. Paulit ulit silang sinasabi yan sa TV, upang mang akit ng mga bagong myembro..tsk tsk…paulit din silang sinasabihan ng dahilan pero nananatiling bingi at bulag sa katotohanan

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        correct…the truth is, that is the work of satan…nasaniban na itong mga born against at iglesia ni kulafu to preach what is differently from what is really the true teachings…at masayang masaya duon si satanas kasi marami naman na uuto…

      • frudo

        kung hindi kasalanan para sa inyo ang magkaroon ng mga ganun graven images so be it. pero hindi rin nman kasalanan na para samin na hindi na naniniwala sa ganun klaseng paniniwala ang mag karoon ng mga graven images or dios diosan, so mag galangan n lang ng paniniwala para walang away, parehas lang nman tayo mga na uuto , uuto ka rin jan sa paniniwala mo uuto rin ang iba sa paniniwala nila, quits lang

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        God’s will. Your faith could save you but not the words of other human.

      • frudo

        God will save us,at ang faith ko ay naka base sa Salita ng Dios hindi sa salita ng human or tradition or religion.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You’re Right! Now, I commend you go to Heaven. Give your money to the poor, follow the word of the Bible and God.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        so, y u r here in this news item???

      • frudo

        para magbasa lang di naman siguro bawal?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA FAKE!!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    “Catholics worship statues!” People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: “You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them” (Ex. 20:4–5); “Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold” (Ex. 32:31). 

    • frudo

      you shall not make any graven images, diba maliwanag naman ano pa ba interpretation ang kailangan jan para maintindihan,?
      you shall not bow down to them or serve them,  ano ba ginagawa natin di ba pinuprusisyon natin hinahalikan, pinupunasan ng panyo nakikipag siksikan para lang makasakay sa karo ng imahe, di ba malinaw nman na pag ba bow yun or pag seserve yun,  di ba maliwanang nman ang sinasabi, commandment yan diba?

    • jin2012

      This is what God said:

      Isaiah 42:8 (multiple translations)

      NIV
      “I am the LORD [Yahweh]; that is my name! I WILL NOT GIVE my glory to another or my praise to idols.”

      NLT:
      “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.

      NASB:
      “I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.

      ESV:
      I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

      RSV Catholic Edition
      I am the Lord, that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to graven images.

      Check your Catholic Bible, even the Latin Vulgate, it will still mean the same.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. 

  • Mark Philip Wu

    Black Nazarene logic: If something good happens, the black nazarene answered their prayers. When people get hurt in the procession, it’s free will, the people who go are solely responsible for what happens to them. 

    So the black nazarene has all these powers of healing and prayer granting and everything, but when it comes to the people hurt in its own procession, hands off dun?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, “God has forbidden the use of images in worship” (281). Yet if people were to “search the scriptures” (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    God Said To Make Them

    People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20). 

    • frudo

      iba naman ang graven images ng cherubim na isang angel sa images na Dios na wala pangang nakakakita,,, at hindi sinabi na gumawa ng imahe ng Dios,,, at hindi rin lalo sinabi na lumuhod ka sa mga statue ng mga cherubim na yun, hindi rin sinabi na i prusisyon at  punasan ng panyo or twalyita,, magkaiba diba para ikumpara,  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Pinupunasan mo ba ang kotse mo d I big sabihin ay Idolatry. Pag nag libing ka ng Nanay o Lola mo na may convoy o prusesyon dI big sabihin ay Idolatry.

      • frudo

        ang layo ng pag kukumpara mo talaga, ang babaw na ikumpara mo ang black nazarene sa kotse at prusisyon ng mga graven images ng mga santo na nirerespeto mo sa prusiyon ng patay  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Lahat sila ay gawa ng Tao. Sinasamba ng Tao. No difference.

      • frudo

        syo walang pagkakaiba ang babaw mo kasi

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Ang mababaw ay galing sayo. You’re Judgemental. You’re lacked of reasoning to fight your faith. Answer with reason not by curse.

      • frudo

        ikaw ang nagsabi na lahat sinasamba ng tao so ikaw ang jugdemental kasi nilahat mo na, hindi ko na kailangan maging matalino para lang maintindihan ang sinasabi ng exodus 20 , Mas susunod ako sa Dios kasya sa Relihiyon at mabubuhay ako ng walagn relihiyon,  Sapat na sakin na may Dios na buhay At yung binigay nya na SALITA nya(BIBLE) 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        That’s your Choice and freedom, practice it. But sinabi ko ” Lahat sila gawa ng tao. Sinasmba ng Tao. No difference”. It is Judgemental? You’re absurd!!! Every premise with period have had distinct and precise meaning. 

      • sonnygc

        Pag hinalikan ko, linuhuran ko, at pinagdasalan ko araw araw ito kababayan ay pagsamba. Punta ka sa RC church at tingnan mo 
        bumalik ka dito at sabihin mo sa akin na hindi pagsamba and mga ginangawa ng mga divoto. 

        I believe you are reasonable man, honest and forth right, tell me 
        what are they doing, if not worshiping and then look yourself in the mirror
        and convince yourself that what you saw was just admiring, etc.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        When people gathered inside the church and closes it eyes and prayed it is Idolatry? Everyone go to the church for worship to God Jesus Christ is not idolatry.

      • jin2012

        2 Corinthians 6:16
        What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?
        For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

    • frudo

      sa haba ng paliwanag mo  may tanong lang po ako, tama ba ang ginagawa ngayon ng mga tao sa quiapo? hindi pa ba yun masasabi na idolatry? 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        If the The country celebrates Nov. 30 heroes day it doesn’t mean it is idolatry.

      • frudo

        heroes day  compare to black nazarene ang layo ng comparison..  si leop233 sana ang sumagot sa tanong ko,  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Everything are interconnected. When Bible teaches forgiveness,friendship,gratitude, and healing….it teaches justice. Leviticus 24:20 fracture for fracture, eye for for an eye, tooth for a tooth. As he injured the other, so he is to be injured.

      • frudo

        isa lang nman gusto ko malaman kung yung ginagawa now sa quiapo at masasabi ba itong idolatry yes or no lang nman ang sagot diba? bakit di mo masagot ng derecho?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        It is not Idolatry. It is the celebration of the Feast of Nazarene.

      • frudo

        yun lang nman kung yun paniniwala mo  i respect it.God bless us all

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Thank you!!! and You’re Welcome always!

      • jin2012

        This is what God said:

        Isaiah 42:8 (multiple translations)

        NIV
        “I am the LORD [Yahweh]; that is my name! I WILL NOT GIVE my glory to another or my praise to idols.”

        NLT:
        “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.

        NASB:
        “I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.

        ESV:
        I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        1 Timothy 1:19
        Holding on to faith and good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.

        Many jumped from one faith to another without a good fight.

        Jude1:3 
        Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.

      • boypalabobo

        A lot of the holidays are non-biblical. Which means they are based on tradition.  Tradition doesn’t always mean it is correct, it could be pagan in origin, and not in accordance to God’s wishes found in your bible.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Custom and Tradition is well accepted by the people and Government so Government is Pagan? 

      • jin2012

        Yes.  Find out which ones are.

        Colossians 2:8
        See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        If you believe that your faith makes you go to heaven, then Go.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    David gave Solomon the plan “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was “by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all,” included statues of angels. 
    Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim.” 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    The Religious Uses of Images

    During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live” (Num. 21:8–9). 
    One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). 
     

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    What About Bowing?

    Sometimes anti-Catholics cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning idols, “You shall not bow down to them.” Since many Catholics sometimes bow or kneel in front of statues of Jesus and the saints, anti-Catholics confuse the legitimate veneration of a sacred image with the sin of idolatry. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    Though bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshipping the statue or even praying to it, any more than the Protestant who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    Hiding the Second Commandment?

    Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church “hides” the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as “You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain.” (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3) and “You shall not make for yourself a graven image” (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, “Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy,” though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). 

    • Baruk1

      We know that the Catholic doesn’t observed the Sabbath law but rather observing pagan Sunday (day of Sun god). Do you know why most present day “Christians” churches follow the Catholic Sunday as the day of the Lord instead of Ex 20:18-11? Hopefully your church follow the Sabbath commandment.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as “You shall have no other gods before me.” This is no attempt to “hide” the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities” (CCC 2066). 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    The Form of God?

    Some anti-Catholics appeal to Deuteronomy 4:15–18 in their attack on religious statues: “[S]ince you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.” 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    We’ve already shown that God doesn’t prohibit the making of statues or images of various creatures for religious purposes (cf. 1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14). But what about statues or images that represent God? Many Protestants would say that’s wrong because Deuteronomy 4 says the Israelites did not see God under any form when he made the covenant with them, therefore we should not make symbolic representations of God either. But does Deuteronomy 4 forbid such representations? 

    • jin2012

      God did not authorize the creation of the statue/idol of Calungsod, etc…etc…
      God ordered specifics things done as indicated in the Bible.
      God certainly did not order the Israelites to bow before these things.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    The Answer Is No

    Early in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural object (e.g., a bull or the sun). 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    But later God did reveal himself under visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: “As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire.” Protestants make depictions of the Father under this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    The Holy Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms—that of a dove, at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). Protestants use these images when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBN5IUGKHSGIHDV5L6QVG2KBTI Leop233

    But, more important, in the Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said, “He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Christ is the tangible, divine “icon” of the unseen, infinite God. 
    We read that when the magi were “going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and myrrh” (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem. 
    The bottom line is, when God made the New Covenant with us, he did reveal himself under a visible form in Jesus Christ. For that reason, we can make representations of God in Christ. Even Protestants use all sorts of religious images: Pictures of Jesus and other biblical persons appear on a myriad of Bibles, picture books, T-shirts, jewelry, bumper stickers, greeting cards, compact discs, and manger scenes. Christ is even symbolically represented through the Icthus or “fish emblem.” 
    Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God. That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues and pictures are made of them. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

      Leviticus 26:1
      1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        God created Man in his own image. He created man and a woman. Gen: 1:27
        Image of Jesus Christ is not false God. Saints statues are statues of heroes, heroes of faith.

      • boypalabobo

        When did God allow statues of saints be made and bow down to?
        Answer: God did not allow it. Check your bible.

        Who allowed it?
        Answer: People who disobeyed God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Catholic didn’t teach to worship Saints. Where did you got that idea? It is in Cathlic Bible? If not. Checked your word.

      • jin2012

        Veneration = originated in 15th century from the Latin word veneratus which means worship.
        Refer to the Catholic Canon Law 1186-1190 and 1159-1162, also the Decree of Second Council of Nicea 787, Council of Trent 25th session. I will post one from those:  ”Can.  1187 It is permitted to reverence through public veneration only those servants of God whom the authority of the Church has recorded in the list of the saints or the blessed.”  I should add, Pope Benedict XVI in 2009 tried to explain/defend veneration of images: Refer to the works of St. John Damascene 7th century, these are the first attempts to legitimize the veneration of sacred images by associating images with Jesus and Mary. (ref: catholicnewsagency . com)

        That source is Catholic. You can clearly see the teaching is Catholic and not Biblical.

      • sonnygc

        Heroes of Faith are not to be worship for they too are human just like the rest of us and the Bible tells that “ALL HAVE SINNED…” Sin runs in their bloodline too!

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        There is a difference between worshiping and praying. We pray to saints and angels for intercession to God  but we do not worship them. We only worship God. Btw, the Black Nazarene is not a saint. He is a portrait of God himself. 

      • Petrus_Romanus

        John 14 (Jesus speaks)
        6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME.

        From an angel:

        Revelation 19
        9 Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “DON’T DO THAT! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You’re right. We’ll give them honor. Worship is different.

      • sonnygc

        When the apostle John tried to worship a sinless angel in the Book of Revelation, the angel warned him not to do that but to “Worship God…”

        We should learn from that angel.
         

      • Petrus_Romanus

        Revelation 19
        9 Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “DON’T DO THAT! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

    • boshog

      Tell this to the Jews.  They say Jesus was an ordinary Jew, not ths Son of God.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IEGKEBTZZW2O4RFW5S3FBSBF3E Virgilio

      i advice you all to make a thorough research kasi lahat kayo mali ang katuruan… sory but thats my opinion…

    • jin2012

      Show me where in the Bible God allowed anyone to create an image/statue/idol of a saint, Mary, Jesus so that the people can bow down before it or venerate it.
      The answer =  Nowhere.  Your Church allowed your people to sin by doing this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

    Sana after nito wag na bumanat ang CBCP against RH LAW.

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      They will. It’s their duty to God.

  • Nelson Dino

    Kalokohan deceiving satan kung hindi idolatry yang pagsamba sa blacknazarene! the Preist said it while Jesus himself said, God is a Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in Spirit and Truth” (John 4:24) Truth is the word of God in the Bible.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      truth according to manalo???to soriano???sa mga pastor ni pakyaw na mayayaman na???

      all these people are claiming the truth…but they themselves contradict what they say…now, is it really the truth that they speak na mga contradicting naman in every PASTOR…

      the truth is, these pastors are sugo ni satanas to sow LIES…and satan is successful for that….marami ng mga born against at kaanib ni iglesia ni kulafu…

      • ApoNiLolo

        Huh! What’s this? Sabi mo “agnostic” ka. So why all of sudden you’re ranting like a raving religious fanatic? >: D

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        d mo na yata nasundan ang thread…lolo ka na na…

        yes i am, but i like much their faith..in fact i defended much their stand on rh…more than those catholics who are hypocrite who cant follow the teachings of their church…the cafeteria catholics…i am more than them though i am not them…

      • ApoNiLolo

        LOL! Naku polter, natutuwa talaga ako sayo!
        That’s just like the pot calling the kettle black! >: D

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        toinks…pwede naman ang pot pink

      • TotoyKalentong

        You seem to know very well how Satan works are you his minion?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        it is the same as u cant know what is good if u dont know what is bad…there are always two sides of a coin…gets mo???

    • boypalaban

      ” Truth is the word of God in the Bible.”
      ANG GALING MO!

      Patunayan mo na galing nga sa Diyos yang mga salitang yan…

      Kung di mo kayang patunayan, tulog ka na…lakas ng tama mo…

      sa loob ng 30 minutos patunayan mo na galing nga sa Diyos yan….pag di mo napatunayan…sinungaling ka…

      o simulan mo na mag Google…time starts now….10:15pm

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2LQVWUZ4VUWMCKJ2QQT4P2KZVE Dong

    To all those who criticize through thick and thin this practice, why don’t you organize among yourselves and prior to the feast of the Black Nazarene you hold Bible Study sessions around Quiapo Church to convey your convictions and beliefs of your faith. Tell these people that doing these things will bring them to hell.

    You who are very sure of going to heaven, reach out to these people who are in danger of loosing their souls to satan. Snatch them from the fires of hell. You are the learned, teach those who are ignorant of the consequence. This is a very great opportunity for you to add the numbers of you church

    • ApoNiLolo

      … and also a sure way for them to get mob! Sa Quiapo pa! >: D

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PGVM57LXCPQQOIJOQJBAYJNQWY yahoo-PGVM57LXCPQQOIJOQJBAYJNQWY

        it’s a simple test of faith, that’s how the saints died right, they were true to their faith and love of God….why be afraid of getting mobbed? e di malabo ka rin pala sa pinaniwalaan mo…hehehehee

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      mendoza…made in he//

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        MERON AKO BLACK NAZARE GALING DIVISORIA MADE IN CHINA!!

      • boypalaban

        ALAM KO CONDOM ANG MERON KA…AT SAKA DILLDO…
        KUNWARI KA PANG DEBOTO…ISUBO MO NA YANG DILLDO MO…CONDOM FANATIC!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        DIBOTO AKO DINALA KO YUNG MANOK KO DUN PARA MANALO SA SABONG!! AT YUNG ALAGA KONG BABOY NA SANA MANGANAK NG MARAMI PARA SAWA SA KARNENG BABOY!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      STUPID COMMENT!!!

      • boshog

        no it was made in Mexico.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RRFGBCEJ6OURIE3PW3I5YCH3FQ Hideki

    ngayon lang deboto mga yan..bukas balik na yan sa mga dati nilang gawi.. holdap,benta ng pirated na dvd, benta ng xxx dvd,  snatchers, droga, at lahat ng illegal sa kalye..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Ikaw ang nagsabi nyan. Lahat guinagawa mo.

  • Petrus_Romanus

    To the Quiapo Priest:  IT IS IDOLATRY, you are teaching your flock to sin!!!

    Listen instead to the very words from God found in your very own Catholic Bible, IDOLATRY WILL PREVENT YOU from inheriting the Kingdom of God!!!!

    [ALL FROM the Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC EDITION]

    Galatians 5
    19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy,[b] drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

    Exodus 20
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    Leviticus 26
    26 “You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

    1 John 5
    21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

    Isaiah 42
    I am the Lord [YaHWeH], that is my name;  my glory I give to no other,  nor my praise to graven images.

    Ezekiel 14
    6 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God [YaHWeH]: Repent and turn away from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

    1 Corinthians 10
    14 Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols…….. 20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.

    Psalm 115
    4 Their idols are silver and gold,    the work of men’s hands. 5 They have mouths, but do not speak;    eyes, but do not see. 6 They have ears, but do not hear;    noses, but do not smell.7  They have hands, but do not feel;    feet, but do not walk;    and they do not make a sound in their throat. 8 Those who make them are like them;    so are all who trust in them.

    Ezekiel 37
    23 They shall not defile themselves any more with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

    1 Corinthians 6
    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral,[b] nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[c][d] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    ——————————–
    To the Catholic Priests, a warning to you from our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Matthew 5 (Jesus speaks)
    17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.[a] 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      It is a warning to you not to the Priest.

      • boypalabobo

        did you not understand the words?  it was meant for all, not just your priests.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        If I couldn’t understand, I wouldn’t say it. How dare to say a warning to a man of peace? If it meant for all how many times you say it? Catholic Church is 2,000 years old.

      • boypalabobo

        PEACE???? And in 2000 years, tell me how many people did the Catholic Church murder?  Rizal was one of them.

      • mentargu

        exactly..spaniards brought catholicism here
        in the philippines..kahit hindi magbasa ng bibliya alamin ang kasaysayan..kc sa kasaysayan din malalaman ang idolism ng mga paganong romano hanggang sa naging “christianized”..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Catholic Church is a Church. No one teaches Murder. People come and go like politics and need reform. Church are manage by people some of them are popular and some are notorious. You blame the house because the owner was murderous?

      • jin2012

        Revelation 18
        Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]   so that you will not share in her sins,   so that you will not receive any of her plagues;5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,  and God has remembered her crimes.

        When the house gets punished, you will be affected, as can be seen in Rev 18.

        You really need to check the history of your own Church.  I will get you started, you can always verify it.

        The Roman Catholic Church BURNED Bibles in English, French, Spanish, German etc… from 1200 to 1800+ including those who read them, possessed them!!
        300 AD Rome (Emperor Diocletian) started burning Bibles and their Believers. However Emperor Constantine put a stop to this.
        1184 AD Synod of Verona – Declared heretics be burned (Bible groups, Catholics who questioned the power of the pope).
        1199 AD Pope Innocent III – Burned French Bibles, and did not permit the people to have more.
        1203 – 1808 50+ million people are estimated to have been murdered and tortured by the RC Inquisition for crimes including possession and reading the Bible in English, French, Spanish, German etc.
        1208 – 1226 The RC army was sent to kill Albigenesian Christians.
        1215 AD Lateran Council declared heretics be burned and property taken.
        1229 AD The RC Inquisition executed and confiscated the property of 32000 Al bigensian Christians in Toulouse France.
        1229 AD Canon 14 – Church Council of Toulouse – We prohibit the laity to have OT and NT, and their translation of these.
        1234 AD Pope Gregory IX ordered Bible burning.
        1234 AD Council of Tarragona – No one may possess OT and NT, you must turn them over to the local bishop with 8 days, so that they may be burned.
        1408 AD Synod of Oxford – Declared “heresy” to posses an unauthorized English Bible (a Bible not approved by the Roman Catholic Church).
        1559 AD Pope Pius IV – Index of Trent 1559 – Index of Librorum Prohibitorum – Whoever reads or has a translation cannot be absolved from his sins until he turns in his Bible. All unauthorized Bible are forbidden.
        1525 AD 6000 Tyndale NT burned.
        1600 AD 10000 Bibles burned by order of Ferdinand II.
        1713 AD Pope Clement II – Condemned reading the Bible.
        1844 AD Pope Gregory – Declared those favoring Bible societies were guilty of the greatest crime against God and Church.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Tell me your Religion b4 accusing people and its Church.

      • jin2012

        Like I already said, know the history of your church, you can easily verify it.  My religion is irrelevant.  I stated historical facts.

        As stated above, Rizal, as you know, was executed because of the Catholic Church. That was just a little over 100 years ago. Imagine what else they did during the Inquisition.

      • jin2012

        You will know a tree by its fruits.

        (Matthew 7)

    • boypalaban

       ”Listen instead to the very words from God…”

      ANG GALING MO!

      Patunayan mo na galing nga sa Diyos yang mga salitang yan…

      Kung di mo kayang patunayan, tulog ka na…lakas ng tama mo…

      sa loob ng 30 minutos patunayan mo na galing nga sa Diyos yan….pag di mo napatunayan…sinungaling ka…

      o simulan mo na mag Google…time starts now….10:05pm

      • Petrus_Romanus

        Proof?  

        I will give you -one- which you can easily verify.

        Proof of God is in biblical prophecy.

        I will give you -one- that is easy to verify and is half fulfilled already.  Myths do not prophesy.

        Written around 41AD:

        Matthew 24 (Jesus speaks)
        14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”

        Partial fulfillment:

        TODAY it is estimated that 7.5 billion Bibles have been printed since 1816 and are in circulation in 2370 LANGUAGES. 100 million are being sold per year, not including electronic copies -despite Rome’s (the most powerful nation in the world for almost 1000 years) attempts to execute Christians for 300 years, and the Roman Catholic Church’s attempts to suppress the Bible and execute those who read it for 600 years (~1200AD – 1800AD).

        Now you tell me how someone who you think never existed managed  this?? I will give you 30 minutes.

      • boypalaban

        ang babaw ng paliwanag…

        pasensiya na di ako kumbinsido….

        meron ka pang isang araw para mag research….

      • Petrus_Romanus

        quid pro quo.

        You didn’t answer me.    Obviously you have no explanation.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Catholic Church in whole your talking is not executing people or Christian. It is the people in the Church. You’re generalizing. Human is subjected for error,and nature, everyone has their beliefs and their reasoning as based on their knowledge and comprehension. Unending debate for a 1000 years still counting who is right. Bible words are full of mystery no one could assume accurate interpretation. But since Catholic Church existed for more than 2000 years and still growing stronger,nevertheless of insults, criticism. 

      • jin2012

        No.  The Catholic Church has weakened a lot.  You really need to check its history.  It used to have an army -and definitely used it.  In the West, the Catholic Churches are emptying.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Where that west?

      • jin2012

        WEST = Europe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You got that from satanic news blog.

  • boshog

    Say what you want priest..you practice idolatry not only in this worship of the nazarene statue, but also in the worship of numerous statues of men and women you call saints.  The practice of wiping and kissing  these wooden or plaster casted idols is not only stupid, but so unsanitary.You give these poor victims of your well-effected brainwashing false hopes. Your strategy of making believers is extraordinary..you prey on the desperate and show them nothing and tell them to rely on faith.  I believe in God, but do not believe in your wooden pieces of worthless art.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Yes you’re correct. But when God commanded the Israelites to make a graven bronze snake and put it up in a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live. Num 21:8-9. What the Israelites do? Just standing only and look the the bronze serpent without touching it?

      • boypalabobo

        Check your bible again.  
        God did not command anyone to build a statue of saint xyz, mary, or jesus.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You checked what I said. Not what you said.

      • boypalabobo

        See, now you are just playing with words.  You are wasting my time.  Read your bible, that’s the voice of God and Christ.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You’re wasting your time indeed. I read the Bible than you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001394494359 David Weber

        What happened to the bronze snake Moses used to protect the Israelites?G-d commanded Hezekiah to DESTROY it.(2 Kings 18:4 NIV)
         

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Hezekiah is not God. He is a king that thinks Moses practice Idolatry.

      • boypalabobo

        Catholics likely don’t have a bible.  So here it is, please read it.

        2 Kings 18:1-7 (Catholic Bible)
        18 In the third year of Hoshe′a son of Elah, king of Israel, Hezeki′ah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Abi the daughter of Zechari′ah. 3 And he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. 4 He removed the high places, and broke the pillars, and cut down the Ashe′rah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had burned incense to it; it was called Nehush′tan. 5 He trusted in the Lord the God of Israel; so that there was none like him among all the kings of Judah after him, nor among those who were before him. 6 For he held fast to the Lord; he did not depart from following him, but kept the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses. 7 And the Lord was with him;………

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You’re right of this Verse. Did God commanded Hezekiah for something? Only Moses had directly talked with God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001394494359 David Weber

    If i would tattoo my dick with a bearded man with long hair and thorns in its head, this IDIOT Quiapo “Priest” would suck this!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      You said it then you suck it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001394494359 David Weber

         Catholics = CULT!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        2,000 years of cultism? You’re absurd! Tell me your belief and practice. Maybe you are.

      • boypalabobo

        David Weber, this one is for you, since you quoted 2 Kings 18:4

        2 Timothy 2:24  (NIV)
        And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        David. Hush!!!

      • boypalaban

         DAVIDIC CULT = DAVID KORESH IN MODERN TIME…IDIOT…FANATIC…DICKSUCKER…FAILURE!

    • boypalaban

       WHY DON’T YOU SUCCK YOUR OWN DICK…YOU LOOK LIKE A CONDOM IN HUMAN FORM…FAGGOT!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

    • boypalaban

       EDGARDO MENDOZA made with condom

  • Winniejoy Lumayag

    Not idolatry… but FANATICISM.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      If it is fanaticism. Is somebody killed someone in his name?

      • opinyonlangpo

        That’s funny. Or are you really serious?

      • Winniejoy Lumayag

        Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religiousor political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. - wikipedia…
        your understanding is myopic.  you don’t need to kill someone if you’re a fanatic…. read the other definition.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        If my understanding is Myopic, who are you to Judge? You just copied the meaning in Wiki then you’re judgemental? Who’s Myopic? If my question is not suit to your ears so be it. If my sentence is ending with question mark you considered it as my understanding?

  • desertmannah

    if it wasn’t “Idolatry” why then it does not follow the life of a Nazarene? the church or, so the priest and its leaders, must have known the truth of devotion not the like kinds of what it brings and shows in the public… it is but a sad thing that, the true devotion is being misunderstood, as it is being practiced, no right minded person will take its course, just to be counted as a Nazarene devotees. the church should be the guide and the light of what is in the doctrine of the covenant between God and Man, its not a profession of faith, but it is a “Woe unto the some likes of the Pharisees”, who take comfort to what is self-befitting, as a whole to the doctrine of the Church and its traditions. Woe to this who claims they do it in purpose of devotion, but lives in a life that was dictated upon by the recent passed bill in congress, the (RH 4244). who could best explain they were not in harlotry of the issues behind their profession of faith. it is a sad thing, that in every years it passes, what the people are feasting about, the church reminds always not to bring along children, and every precaution is being told just to guide and protect lives, to  control the flow of the profession, what is a true Nazarene, did it not an entity of a devotion, that hold firms to the dictates of common good, what is for common good that is being shown before the public and to the whole wide world, pains and suffering of others for what cause? was that be to benefit with, i do not know when i see people being hurt, and rushed to hospitals, the festivity somehow portrays a picture of the event of Christ, in the cleansing of the temple. what do we see a market place, a place of divination, pickpockets and snatchers, in the midst of this devotion, i do not know if this so called devotees are blind of what is to their calling of devotions, but rest assure that god, had a purpose, In the scripture passage of John 9:1-12, it states about, his disciple asked if this kind of affliction is a Sin, of his (devotees) or of its parents (this speaks of the tradition) about this kind of blind faith, what i so feel and observe is the failure of devotees to express the true nature of a Nazarene, did it not Christ have said, this was indeed had to happen so that the power of God might be seen at work, in him as long as it is day, we must do the work of him who is sent, night is coming when no one can work, while “I am” in the world, “I am” the light for the world. after this what Jesus did, “spat on the ground” in this God is at at work, and the leaders of this festivity, falls short of showing them (devotees) the ways and the light,
    the Black Nazarene is a life worthy, not of more than “Idolatry”, the fact that many from the outsiders of this Catholic faith is making an effort to deceived many of the sacredness of Black Nazarene, they were the people who can speak only how much, and how many are the stocks of their evil seeds scheme, this i speak about the people who benefited from the proceeds of this festivities have come, i do not know why the authorities can’t see the real issues of the things that defile this wonderful event in the heart of Manila. from Quiapo to Rizal Park, Manila                  

  • boypalabobo

    Veneration = Worship.

    • opinyonlangpo

      Exact translation. It is idolatry.

  • jin2012

    Did God order a statue of Calungsod made?  How about Mary?  God specifically ordered those cherubs made.  It did not give the Israelites or any Church the authority to make things that go against Exodus 20.

    • boypalaban

      nandoon ka ba ng sinabi ng Diyos na gumawa ng cherubim? hahahahhahaha

      patunayan mo na salita nga ng Diyos yang nasa Biblia…

      o ano pa hinihintay mo…

      • jin2012

        To the atheist.

        Proof of God is in prophecy.

        If the Bible were myth, why then are there so many archaeological artifacts from the historical accounts found in the Bible? (ref: en . wikipedia . org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bible)

        There are 2000 prophecies out of 2500 that have already been fulfilled. Some of them in the last 100 years.

        The Book of Isaiah was written in ~700BC. The oldest copy mankind has is dated ~300-120BC thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

        Isaiah:
        9:6-7 [born as a human male]
        7:14 [born of a virgin]
        37:31 [from the House of Judah]
        11:1-10 [from the root and stump of Jesse]
        16:5 [from the House of David]
        9:1-2 [from Nazareth of Galilee]
        49:6, 42:1-6 [mission included the Gentiles]
        29:18, 35:5-6 [ministry included miraculous healings]
        61:1-2 [ministry would deliver spiritual captives]
        53:3 [despised and rejected by men]
        49:7 [hated without cause]

        So what are the mathematical odds of ALL that (and more) coming true at the right time and place in ONE man?

        In fact you just helped make the prophecies in Isaiah 53:3 and 49:7 come true.

        Next the atheist says, even Christ never existed.

        The Sanhedrin executed Jesus. He is recorded in the Talmud. Sanhedrin 43a – “Eve of Passover, Yeshua was hanged etc..” The Talmud also refers to 5 disciples of Christ, it states how old he was when he died, and how the Romans got involved.

        So the question to the atheist is: Why would the Sanhedrin document a “mythical” enemy? That’s like saying the CIA is documenting mythical enemies rather than real terrorists.

        Thallus wrote about the execution of Jesus, his writings date up to 52AD.
        Flavius Josephus, a member of the Pharisees and court historian to Emperor Vespasian made references to Pilate, Caiphas, Jesus, James – brother of Jesus. So why would he risk the ire of the emperor in reporting several mythical figures?

        Artifacts (physical evidence): There is Pilate’s Stone, the Ossuary of James that states: James – Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus. There is also the Ossuary of Caiphas, where his body was found including coins dated to 42AD.

        Tacitus wrote about the burning of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD.

        Jesus prophesied about the destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24.
        Myths do not prophecy.

        Matthew was written in 41AD. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD by Rome.

        Reader’s Digest, Encyclopedia Brittanica lists Christ as FACT.Even Einstein believed Jesus Christ existed.

        Finally, a question to the atheist, name me just one movement in history that has 100,000 followers and has survived for at least 300 years without a real leader.

  • sonnygc

    Priest is blowing smoke as he knows the 2nd Commandment prohibits such idolatrous actions on an image made by men out of wood. A carefully reading of the 2nd commandment will, if one is honest, will reveal to a fairly reasonable educated person that God prohibits such actions. Throughout the Bible the worship (it is worship when one kneels, bows, kisses and prays) man-made statues is forbidden and brings about God’s displeasure. “Which of the ‘Thou shalt not create unto yourselves a graven image of any likeness…” do we not understand?

    Worship of man-made statues is purely financial gain, in my opinion.

    • tonyoks

      and not only”purely financial gain”, i can feel it that this time around after the resounding defeat of the “reds”, they want to show muscles by the numbers, trying to shake the government by showing their numbers…
      of course the guys out there , as simple minded as they are and will always be, never realized this.
      this is a very cunning and devious way of using their devout fanatics to rattle off the government….

      • boypalaban

        reds? di ba komunista ang mga reds?

        hinaluan mo na naman ng pulitika….

        bakit di mo isa isang halikan sa puwet ang mga obispo…yan ang pangarap mo di ba?

      • tonyoks

        Boyp. Ang babaw mo. Think b4 u click pwede ba?

    • boypalaban

      ” fairly reasonable educated person that God prohibits such actions.”

      fairly reasonable educated ka na pala niyan…hahahahha

      patunayan mo muna na galing nga sa Diyos mga nakasulat sa Bibliya….

      PAG DI MO NAPATUNAYAN…GUILTY KA NG INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY…TULOG KA NA….

      • jin2012

        To the atheist.

        Proof of God is in prophecy.

        If the Bible were myth, why then are there so many archaeological artifacts from the historical accounts found in the Bible? (ref: en . wikipedia . org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bible)

        There are 2000 prophecies out of 2500 that have already been fulfilled. Some of them in the last 100 years.

        The Book of Isaiah was written in ~700BC. The oldest copy mankind has is dated ~300-120BC thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls.

        Isaiah:
        9:6-7 [born as a human male]
        7:14 [born of a virgin]
        37:31 [from the House of Judah]
        11:1-10 [from the root and stump of Jesse]
        16:5 [from the House of David]
        9:1-2 [from Nazareth of Galilee]
        49:6, 42:1-6 [mission included the Gentiles]
        29:18, 35:5-6 [ministry included miraculous healings]
        61:1-2 [ministry would deliver spiritual captives]
        53:3 [despised and rejected by men]
        49:7 [hated without cause]

        So what are the mathematical odds of ALL that (and more) coming true at the right time and place in ONE man?

        In fact you just helped make the prophecies in Isaiah 53:3 and 49:7 come true.

        Next the atheist says, even Christ never existed.

        The Sanhedrin executed Jesus. He is recorded in the Talmud. Sanhedrin 43a – “Eve of Passover, Yeshua was hanged etc..” The Talmud also refers to 5 disciples of Christ, it states how old he was when he died, and how the Romans got involved.

        So the question to the atheist is: Why would the Sanhedrin document a “mythical” enemy? That’s like saying the CIA is documenting mythical enemies rather than real terrorists.

        Thallus wrote about the execution of Jesus, his writings date up to 52AD.
        Flavius Josephus, a member of the Pharisees and court historian to Emperor Vespasian made references to Pilate, Caiphas, Jesus, James – brother of Jesus. So why would he risk the ire of the emperor in reporting several mythical figures?

        Artifacts (physical evidence): There is Pilate’s Stone, the Ossuary of James that states: James – Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus. There is also the Ossuary of Caiphas, where his body was found including coins dated to 42AD.

        Tacitus wrote about the burning of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD.

        Jesus prophesied about the destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 24.
        Myths do not prophecy.

        Matthew was written in 41AD. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD by Rome.

        Reader’s Digest, Encyclopedia Brittanica lists Christ as FACT.Even Einstein believed Jesus Christ existed.

        Finally, a question to the atheist, name me just one movement in history that has 100,000 followers and has survived for at least 300 years without a real leader.

  • ryan andres

    Not idolatry? Wehhh??? So kapag katoliko ang gumawa, hindi sya idolatry, but if it’s the rest of the world, it is? Weawww.

    Ang sabihin mo, MonSINyor, ay malaki kasi ang kita nyo kaya kahit anong kaburatan eh sasabihin mo basta lang mailusot ang kwarta. With the crowd hitting 8 million, kahit tig piso lang dyan sa mga panatiko, este, deboto ninyo eh may 8 million na kayo.

    Kung diretso mo na lang sinabi na it’s an exercise in faith, and that your church needs money to keep the faith going, mas madali sigurong lunukin yun. But, as expected, you will justify your own wrong doings, even if it goes against your scriptures. Spoken and acted upon like a true catholic!

  • RNKR2005

    According to a news report, devotees ascribed their answered prayers to the Black Nazarene. Not God, the Black Nazarene

    • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

      The Black Nazarene is Jesus of Nazareth. He is God the son in the Holy Trinity.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

      • RNKR2005

        To be technically strict about it, the Black Nazarene is a human made statue which is a representation of Jesus. No where in the Bible did the words Black Nazarene describe Jesus. It is a sacred object and bridge to God according to Monsignor Ignacio

      • http://twitter.com/31dMB Dodjie Basco

        You said it yourself the “the Black Nazarene is a human made statue which is a representation of Jesus”. 

      • RNKR2005

        I hope that the devotees are actually ascribing their answered prayers to the one being represented, not the representative. There’s a fine line between the two…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PNTIGXL3JZVKOJDRXXDYGGBUUY Jerry

    Not just a devotee but practice the life of a Nazarite which is don’t cut your hair, don’t drink wine. Basically, to be a Nazarite is to be separated for God. If that millions will mean what it says then Manila will be a different place. Probably the whole of Philippines.

  • sonnygc

    Although the Word of God (The Bible) strictly prohibits the altering, or changing by adding a dot or a tittle to the Scriptures, the RC Church dared God by defying His command not to do it by taking the Second Commandment out and splitting the tenth. It is a devious and demonic way to change God’s precious Word. 

    I dare say they will get their due, though the Lord God does not collect in October, He does collect debts.

  • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

    We don’t expect you  monsignor to agree it is fanaticism and idolatry. Because you can be excommunicated, loss of income. Iyan po ang ang ipinamana ng Espanya sa sawimpalad na bansang Pilipinas. Matapos limasin ang yaman at dalhin sa Espanya. Iniwanan pa ng relihiyong mala-pagano.Me bibliya kunyari sa pulpito, hindi naman sinusunod ang ipinagbabawal na pagsamba sa diyos-diyosan. Me nagtangkang lumaban sa panulat, ipinapatay pa (Rizal).
     Anti-RHBill sila pero sila ang walang pamilya at asawa (baka nakatago). Kailan kaya magigising ang marami nating kababayan?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/27EZYBBNAPOAXND6IPRZH6Y7TA Coffee

    Hehehe nakakatawa naman mga comments ng mga mason dito. Eh yung mga sinasamba si Rizal na Dyos tama din ba yun?

  • rpcapinpin3

    “It is a Filipino trait to want to wipe, touch, kiss, or embrace sacred objects if possible. We Filipinos believe in the presence of the Divine in scared objects and places,” he added

    “Kissing and embracing of objects is idolatry” Read the bible old testament Moises part.

  • rjimenez1226

    God has condemned the  Catholic church for demonic teachings. It’s obvious that most Catholics don’t read the Bible.

    • boypalaban

       ”God has condemned the  Catholic church for demonic teachings.”

      SAAN SA BIBLIYA NAKASULAT YAN?

      di ako katoliko, interesado lang ako sa mga banat mong sablay…

      • Petrus_Romanus

        This applies to false religion aka.  Babylon.

        Revelation 18

        4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b]   so that you will not share in her sins,    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,   and God has remembered her crimes.

      • boypalaban

        wala kang pinagkaiba sa mga pulis na mag-iimbestiga sa kapwa pulis…

        ginagamitan mo ako ng Bibliya…di mo nga mapatunayan sa akin o sa mga nagpo-post dito na galing nga sa Diyos nakasulat sa Bibliya…

        sorry pero di ka convincing…TRUTH HURTS…

      • GKLer

        You want physical evidence of Genesis?

        Evidence of a GLOBAL FLOOD of biblical proportions:300 cultures have stories of a massive flood wiping out all life on earth. Science needs to disprove them all before making a claim. Evolutionists and atheists never looked at the evidence:

        1. Therefore: we need to look for layers of mud/sand/deposits, evidence for massive and rapid erosion by water, significant salinity changes, layers of many dead (fossil/bones/remains) creatures, plants, trees etc…Here:
        2. In the Gulf of Mexico, sample cores are numerous (due to oil and oceanographic exploration). Each inch of core repesent 1000 years. At some point in the core sample, it will show a MASSIVE change in salinity by 10%!!! (due to fresh water rushing into the gulf).
        3. In the Black Sea, core samples taken will show that it used to be smaller. You will find a uniform sedimentary layer that could only have been deposited from a flood. In that layer you will find saltwater marine fossils. The Black Sea used to be a fresh water lake, today it is brackish. A uniform layer could not have been formed over a long period of time, it can only be formed with a massive pouring in of water (think 3,000,000 gallons per second).
        4. In the Grand Canyon which has 2 billion years of geological history would cover the flood in its layers. It is 800m above sea level!! You will find marine fossils in the Redwall layer (lime sand) deposited in a very rapid devastating manner.
        5. You will find evidence of massive kills across the globe: in Zucheng, China, 7000+ fossils were found in a 300 meter pit. In Nova Scotia you will find a forrest of fossilized upright trees 20-40ft long with missing roots at the 2500ft strata. In Dijon-Lyons there is a cave of bones of lots of animals – bears, lions, deer, horses, wolves, ox. There is no evidence they were “hunted” or “eaten”. Explanation: rising waters caused them to group together, and die together. Globally you will not find fossils in the right strata order, somehow the strata has been altered by several meters.
        6. The Swiss Alps, Sierras, Himalayas – highest peaks on earth – we find fossilized shellfish and marine fossils.
        7. Rock layers (deposited sediment) when traced, cover entire continents and vast areas. The Redwall and Tapeats layer of the Grand Canyon is traceable across North America to Europe. The Coconino layer has about 10000cu-miles of sand deposited by water rapidly, rather than slowly – this sand is traceable from southern USA to Canada. Chalk layer of UK is traceable up to the Middle East.
        8. There is evidence of rapid massive erosion between rock layers, and evidence of NO erosion at all. So what could cause rapid massive erosion? – Lots of water.
        9. Rock layers do not bend due to hardness and brittleness, but in the Grand Canyon, you will find evidence it was wet and caused the Tapeats layer to bend, fold before it dried. Think wave-like patterns – you can look at the pictures somewhere.
        10. Evolutionists claim slow and gradual sand deposits. Geologists (real scientists) will not agree.
        11. Mt. St. Helens – they found a 1/10 version of the Grand Canyon 200 ft deep showing the similar evidence of rapid and massive erosion from WATER.
        12. Since I love whales, that’s right, they found an 80ft whale fossil, vertically positioned!! in a diatomaceous rock quarry (ref: Dicalite Grefco). Fossilize whales have also been found 500 ft above sea level in Canada, USA.
        13. Next, ask why are there mass kills of FROZEN IN ICE(and in very good condition) mammoths in large numbers in Russia, Alaska, Europe. If someone was looking for a reason why the “ice age” happened, the flood provides two things to fit: snow and lower temperatures from all the water. I mean where else could you possibly get enough water to make sheets of ice 2 miles thick?? 
        14. Evidence is all around the earth, some people just don’t look for it or turn a blind eye to it. Instead, they make a lazy statement without looking at evidence on hand: “bible daw is fantasy”.
        15.  The pseudo sciences:  Alchemy, Astrology, Evolution.

      • frudo

        pero naniniwala ka na may Dios? sige patunayan mo rin na may Dios sige i google mo rin sakin kung mapapatunayan mo na may Dios nga. tutal binabangit mo ang Dios eh di patunayan mo na may Dios nga, para ka rin na pulis na nagimbistiga sa kapwa pulis, Sorry ha di rin convincing,,,, Thruth hurts.. 15 to 20 minues lang din start ka na

      • frudo

        di rin ako aetheist eh interesado rin lang ako sa mga banat mo, sige patunayan mo muna sakin na may Dios tapos saka ko papatunayan sayo na ang Bibliya ay salita ng Dios. 10-15 mins din lang hintayin ko sagot mo ha,baka sa google din makahanap ka na sagot mag research ka na.

      • boypalaban

        kung Bibliya ay salita ng Dios, ibig mong sabihin hindi salita ng Diyos ang nasa Qur’an, at sa mga libro ng ibang mga relihiyon?

      • frudo

        hindi mo pa na papatunayan sakin na may Dios nga eh patunayan mo muna na may Dios bago tayo pumunta sa Salita nya or Biblia.

      • boypalabobo

        di ba nag tatanong ka kung SAAN SA BIBLIYA?  
        Sinagot ka…bakit nagtataka ka galing sa bibliya ang sagot.  LOL may tama ka yata.

    • boypalaban

       pahabol: Patunayan mo nga pala na galing sa Diyos ang nakasulat sa Bibliya…

      pag di mo napatunayan, wala ka…tulog ka na lang…

      o sige na simulan mo na mag Google…baka nandiyan sagot hahahahaha…..

      time starts now…10-15 mins lang ha?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UYCOAGIL35OAIRH2T6QH3IZUMY Ike

    I hope this priest together with the 8 million or so devotees would realize that they are worshiping the wrong representation of Jesus Christ. To start with Jesus as a Jew is white, not black or negro. Sorry I’m not being racist here, just makling a point. As he was carrying the cross, he is not wearing any clean or fancy robe like the black nazarene. On the contrary he is almost naked, badly bruised and beaten to the pulp.
      Recorded history tells that the black nazarene is crafted by an unknown Mexican sculptor out of wood and was transported to the Phil. by the Spaniards. This is also an outright disobedience to the 10 Commandments where it is written in Comandmnet 4(Exodus 20.4): you shall not make yourself an idol in any form of anything in heaven above or the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.
    Now is the black nazarene man made? Yes!! Do people bow down to it? Yes!! Is it prohibited by God Himself? Yes!! Is it just a teaching of this group called Born Again Christians? No!! It is the teaching of the Bible which is the word of God Himself? To this priest and the 8million or so devoties, please, I beg you to read your bible, If you dont have the time for the whole book just read Exodus 20 (The 10 Comandments) If you dont have the time for the whole 10, just read number 4 & 5. It will not take you a minute to read it.

    • boypalaban

      “As he was carrying the cross, he is not wearing any clean or fancy robe
      like the black nazarene. On the contrary he is almost naked, badly
      bruised and beaten to the pulp.”

      kailangan ba wasak wasak at duguan ang pinaparada…at puro dura?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UYCOAGIL35OAIRH2T6QH3IZUMY Ike

        Dapat lang po para malaman ng Sanlibutan kung ano ang sinapit at dinanas nya para tubusin ang ating mga kasalanan. Ang itim na nasareno ay hindi nagpapakita ng dinanas ni Panginoong Jesus, ng Kanyang paghihirap at pagpapakasakit. Pero unang una, hindi po sya itim, sya po ay puti at hindi po Siya nakasuot ng burdado at magarbong damit habang nagpapasan ng krus.
          Sa isang banda, kung kayo po ay naging bayani at  ipinagpagawa kayo ng rebulto sa may kanto ng EDSA, nakalagay ang pangalan nyo pero ang ang kahitsurahan nyo ay isang negrong nakabahag at ito ay sa kabila ng utos nyo na huwag kayong ipagpagawa ng rebulto, MATUTUWA BA KAYO????

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AX6JJVDK2YVZ56DN4TTOMJFRHI Doods

    Ito’y magkahalong Idolatry and Fanatism. Sad to say that those clergy who should have advised their flocks the CORRECT way of true worship as based on what the Holy Bible say, are one and the same person that justify the festive event….it is the likes of the DAMASOS more than 400 years ago….
    Religion and Business goes together as usual….

    • Felix Alcantara

      Precisely!

    • Tonypogi

       Ito ang tinatawag na “Bandwagon mentality.” Lalong maraming maniniwala.Resulta: Malakas ang kolekta pag maraming tao.

  • ARIKUTIK

    Pilgrimage in multitude is always a mystical experience. A collection of hearts vibrating with the same rhytm of worship is contagious that they become one big heart worshiping God. Is it right or wrong ? God can see through their heart but most of all none of the processioners wish to hurt anyone. All had become brothers and sisters in one heart of worship. God will be in their mids. Black is always mysteriuos like a lady in mystical tiny black attire.   

  • Magkanoka?

    God is spirit and we should worship him in spirit and in truth and not through any graven image created by man.

  • ARIKUTIK

    God knows the number of hair growing in the head of every creature even the balding ones, how much more of what is in their heart. If the pratice of pilgrimage reignite a heart, what is wrong with it. Had they done anything againts anyone. It is the critics that is cursing. Who is more righteous in the eyes of God, the one who criticise or the one who worship in the way ones heart had known. Only God knows what is in their heart.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OLQLHNESZFLZATRG4V47L7GZW4 Gabriel

       indeed you are right only God knows what is in our heart as it is written in the bible.. as the Jesus said worship God alone who is in heaven..and the bible also said that God is a jealous God ( for God said.. I am the only God and none is before me and none after me )
      and wooden image will be a wooden image and can never be a god..For as it is written God is a spirit.. I hope that all Filipino’s wake up from all these misleading by the church and i encourage all to read the bible for everything we need to know about God is there and everything the church is teaching is not what the prophets and Jesus have taught us.

      • ARIKUTIK

        When Moses goes up the top of a mountain. The Israelites down below though, “Moses is not coming back down with us. Let us make an idol of gold as our god”. So they crafted a golden calf to worship as their saviour. Moses cursed them to the bones and burned the goden calf to melt into gold no more. Moses was angry because they had instantly rejected the god of their forefathers. Now then, did the devotees of Quiapo Black Nazarene rejected Jesus in heaven ? If not then they are worshipping Jesus through a symbol that can be seen. If they need a physical symbol to imagine Jesus in heaven will it be a sin againts them ? Was it their fault to find it hard to comprehend a mysteriuos unseen God in heaven with out the aid of a symbol ? God knows that the words of Jesus is in their heart and their prayers worship the God in heaven. The worship to a Golden Calf is different because the Israelites rejected Moses and his God.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!! BRAIN WASH PILIPINOS TO BE IDIOT AND STUPID!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MERON AKO BLACK NAZARENE GALING DIVISORIA MADE IN CHINA!!

  • pulis

    Malaking milagro itong napakaraming naniniwala sa Black Nazarine..Natutuwa po ang simbahan sa dami nilang naluko..lol

    • Felix Alcantara

      This is business my friend. Just think how much money can the church accumulates as there are too many masses being held everyday. That is why pajero or montero ang service car ni father. 

  • ARIKUTIK

    Had anyone heard a Catholic preist preaching that anyone who touch a wooden image will be save. Never heard in my lifetime of listening voices. Is it right to bar someone who wants to worship the God in Heaven through procession of pilgimage with synbolic work of art. All of them knows that the Black Nazarene is not God Itself but just a symbol. Is the flag of a nation respected and look up to while singing a martial anthem really a respectable colored cloth ? It is nothing but a piece of cloth symbolising a nation and no one can can ever build a house on a flag. In the same way the Black Nazarene is just a symbol in the eyes of pilgrims flocking anually in Quiapo church. They believe in God of heavens and the church with images are just a symbol.  

  • boypalabobo

    @ BOYPALABAN

    ….. LOL…. ano napatahimik ka?    Saan ang sagot mo sa mga tanong sayo?  Natinik ka no?  Tapos na ang 30 minutes mo.

    • boypalaban

      may sense ba ang sagot mo?

      meron o wala?

  • mapicchu

    i am a catholic. but i am aghast at how the church is tolerating this extremely dangerous practice of pushing/shoving and hurting others just to get to the andas. the cbcp should find a better, safer way to practice this feast… it shud not delight itself with the millions of adorers of the black nazarene, endangering themselves. the aerial image of the quiapo bridge, jampacked with people is showing us a disaster waiting to happen. today, about 400 persons were hurt, and the counting goes on. please, put a stop to all these. why not allow devotees to do adorations inthe church, in peace,  or plaza miranda, for one whole week prior to the feast day itself?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IT7APS75XHM5HWHBSWYU3EJQJI True Christian

    Idolatry is the worship of image. The Greek word ‘eidōlolatreia’ means image worship.
    eidōlolatreia
    i-do-lol-at-ri’-ah
    From G1497 and G2999; image worship (literally or figuratively): – idolatry.
    (Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictiobary)
    God prohibits the making of images and the likes.
    (Deuteronomy 5:7-9) “Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me…”
    These are called idols in the Bible.
    (Psalms 115:4-8) “Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.”
    If we are of God, we will not even think that these images have anything divine in them.

    (Acts 17:29) “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.”
    The reason why God does not allow us even just to make graven images (because other people claims that they do not worship them) is that, it is impossible to reflect God’s glory on anything except in the being of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    (Isaiah 42:8) “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    (Hebrews 1:3) “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
    The Lord Jesus Christ is the “express image” of God’s person! The Father dwells in Him.
    (John 14:10) “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
    Not even a small amount of breath is present in any graven image.
    (Habakkuk 2:18-19) “What profiteth the graven image, that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, even the teacher of lies, that he that fashioneth its form trusteth therein, to make dumb idols? Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise! Shall this teach? Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.”
    Kneeling before these idols and praying to them constitute the Old Testament term of idolatry.

    (Isaiah 44:13-17) “The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it. Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshipeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshipeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.”
    Why is it that in the New Testament, the term ‘idolatry’ is defined as:
    (Colossians 3:5) “Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry…”
    Remember that idolatry means ‘image worship’. Satan, the god of this world, is another god than the Father. Satan has images or appearances.
    (1 Thessalonians 5:22) “Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
    The word appearance used in the preceding verse means form or shape in Greek.

  • ARIKUTIK

    Hey, what’s going on ? I replied to Buttones 3 times but it goes up on hers, never allowed my long though hard Post to be attached down below a womans word. Btw, gi Edit eto kay napunta na naman sa taas, waaaahhhhhhh …… >>>>>>>>>>>>> ???

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SANA MAY BLACK NAZARENE NA NAKASUOT NG CONDOM!! PANGALAGAAN MO PINARARAMI MO!! PARA HINDI MAGING BATANG HUBO SA KALYE!!

    • boypalaban

      ISUOT MO YUNG CONDOM MONG NAPULOT SA MOTEL…AT WAG KANG MANGHUHUBO NG BATA SA KALYE…SIGURADO KULUNGAN BAGSAK MO…

  • tonyoks

    may nanonood ba ng Ancient Aliens sa mga nagcocomment dito???

    kasi may katuturan ang mga presentation ng programing na ito lalo na sa patungkol ng paniwala natin kung talga bang may diyos at o kung saan at paano napasok sa kaisipan natin na may ganoon mga bagay o ideya…

    check History channel, its entertaining, refreshing and more sensible than quoting the bible and a lot of crappy scriptures…

    at napakarami pa pong research materials…

    Bible???Quran??? Torah  ??? Internet???Red Book by Mao???

    basahin lahat….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OLQLHNESZFLZATRG4V47L7GZW4 Gabriel

    God knows what is in our heart as it is written in the bible.. as the Jesus said worship God alone who is in heaven..and the bible also said that God is a jealous God ( for God said.. I am the only God and none is before me and none after me )
    and wooden image will be a wooden image and can never be a god..For as it is written God is a spirit.. I hope that all Filipino’s wake up from all these misleading by the church and i encourage all to read the bible for everything we need to know about God is there and everything the church is teaching is not what the prophets and Jesus have taught us.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA SA DIVISORIA MARAMI MADE IN CHINA!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OLQLHNESZFLZATRG4V47L7GZW4 Gabriel

     amen

  • ARIKUTIK

    “Jesus is not black but bruised in carrying the cross”. The statement is absolutely true re-enforcing the fact that the wooden black Nazarene is a work of art, not the real image of Jesus. But then does a symbol needs to be look alike ? Is the flag of PH symbolising the nation looks like PH islands on a map ? Neither it is so because both are symbol and not the real thing. Therefore the devotees are not actually worshiping the Wooden work of art but worshiping God. The salute to a nations flag is not respecting a piece of cloth but an act of patriotism towards a land where Filipina ladies roam in the streets with bulging breast for all to desire. In the same way the procession of Black Nazarene is a like salute to a nations flag. The devotees are saluting or worshiping the God of heavens.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UYCOAGIL35OAIRH2T6QH3IZUMY Ike

      kung kayo po ay naging bayani at  ipinagpagawa kayo ng rebulto sa may kanto ng EDSA, nakalagay ang pangalan nyo pero ang ang kahitsurahan nyo ay isang negrong nakabahag at ito ay sa kabila ng utos nyo na huwag kayong ipagpagawa ng ano mang simbolo o rebulto, MATUTUWA BA KAYO????
        You think that you are saluting and worshiping God through this procession. But this is contrary and direct dis-obedience to what God is asking you to do.
        Kung  sa inyong pag-alis ay inutusan nyo ang anak nyo na maglinis ng bahay. Ngunit dahil mahal kayo ng inyong anak ang ginawa nya ay diligan ang iyong halaman, Matutuwa ka ba na pagbalik mo e madumi at magulo ang iyong bahay. At kung mangatwiran ang iyong anak na: Itay diniligan ko naman ang inyong halaman. MATUTUWA KA RIN BA?
        It is simply not what God is asking you to do. But again if you dont read your Bible or if you dont accept what is written in the Holy Bible as the true Word of God, then there is not enough explation for you!

      • ARIKUTIK

        Kung si Rizal na isang bayani (kuno) ay ginawan ng itim na rebulto at sinuutan ng barong tagalog sa halip na banyagang amerikana para magmukhang Indio na Rizal, papayag ba ang gobyerno ? Natural hindi ! kasi korap at Utak Tao ang gobyerno. = Once i wished not te be just plain human but one like a living god on earth with powers to step on serpent with out being bitten or to get inside a furnace of fire with out being burned. In quest for power, I studied the thoughs of god a thousand times over. Here is what I discovered > The thoughs of God is beyond human comprehension like a mystery no human can figure out. Which human will say, “the first will be last and the last will be first”. That is injustice in human terms but God say’s “who has the right to question My righteousness, I Am the creator.”… Jesus said,(as remembered) ”whoever slaps your face, turn the other side of your rosy cheek to be slap slapped too then both sides will be balanced redened face.” Which human will ever cooked up that kind of rule ? The wisdom of Jesus is peace for all mankind. God promised > “Vengeance is mine”. God created Satan to temp humans yet commanded the believers not to fall victims of Satans temptations. Who can pathom the ways of God ? In the same way who are they to judge the millions devotees of Black Nazarene. One thing is sure that all humans will agree with understanding = With out the Black Nazarene, there will be no millions of God believers to assemble in Quiapo church year after year re-igniting a faith with sacrificed bare foot in hot asphalt road. A pilgrimage of believers worshipping God on appointed day of a black wood. The Spirit of God will be there too…….   

  • Tonypogi

    I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
    — Exodus 20:2-6 (WEB)
    I believe the first commandment was plainly said and is self-explanatory.  Judge for yourself if the priest is telling the truth. It is also the reason why the Catholics abbreviate the first commandment to “I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any strange gods before me.” Then, they can easily twist its meaning.

    • ARIKUTIK

      A flying kiss to someone far away is the same as the kiss to a wooden symbol. God is up in heaven that can not seen but a kiss to a symbol is a kiss meant for God. The devotees of Black Nazarene wish to sent a kiss to unseen God.

  • boypalabobo

    @ BOYPALABAN
    ….. LOL…. ano napatahimik ka?    Saan ang sagot mo sa mga tanong sayo?  Natinik ka no?  Tapos na ang 30 minutes mo.

    Sinagot ka nila Jin2012, GKLer, Petrus_Romanus, Frudo …..  so nasan ang sagot mo sa kanilang tanong??????

    • frudo

      naiinip ako sa sagot pero ok lang di pa siguro tapos mag research sa googles

    • boypalaban

      Natulog na ako kagabi kasi pare pareho kayong walang saysay ang sinusulat….

      o super talino, pakibanggit mo nga dito kung ano ang tunay na relihiyon…

      kapag di mo nagawa…tulog ka na ulit…o tira ka ulit ng shabu para mahimasmasan ka…

      • frudo

        patunayan mo nuna kasi na totoo na may Dios bago ko rin sabihin  sayo ang tunay na relihiyon, super talino ka rin kasi eh , kapag di mo napatunayan sakin na may Dios nga matulog ka rin lang wala ring saysay mga sinusulat mo.

  • pasaway008ako

    Kissing the statue, touching the statue, is not worshiping, it is connevting to the devine, iyan ang sinabi ni pareng Ignacio. Hindi niya naiintindihan ang kanyang sinabi. Paanong naging ‘devine’ iyang larawang inanyohan o rebulto? Kapag itinapon mo iyan sa apoy, iyan ay sunog! Iyan ba ang ‘devine’ na sinasabi? Mga pare, mangmang! 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Ano ba ang ibig mong sabihin ng ‘DEVINE’.

      Eh, ang mangmang, naiintindihan mo ba ‘yan.

      Tingnan mo kung makikita mo sa dictionary ang salitang ‘DEVINE’…
      makita mo o hindi, malalaman mo kung ano at sino ang ‘MANGMANG’.

  • Petrus_Romanus

    [Revised Standard Version -----CATHOLIC EDITION------]

    Galatians 5
    19 Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, 20 IDOLATRY, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, 21 envy,[b] drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

    Revelation 19
    9 And the angel said[b] to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are true words of God.” 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “YOU MUST NOT DO THAT! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Exodus 20
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    Leviticus 26
    26 “You shall make for yourselves no idols and erect no graven image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land, to bow down to them; for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

    1 John 5
    21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

    Isaiah 42
    I am the Lord [YaHWeH], that is my name;  my glory I give to no other,  nor my praise to graven images.

    Ezekiel 14
    6 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God [YaHWeH]: Repent and turn away from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

    1 Corinthians 10
    14 Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols…….. 20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.

    Psalm 115
    4 Their idols are silver and gold,    the work of men’s hands. 5 They have mouths, but do not speak;    eyes, but do not see. 6 They have ears, but do not hear;    noses, but do not smell.7  They have hands, but do not feel;    feet, but do not walk;    and they do not make a sound in their throat. 8 Those who make them are like them;    so are all who trust in them.

    Ezekiel 37
    23 They shall not defile themselves any more with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

    1 Corinthians 6
    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral,[b] nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[c][d] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17
    16 All scripture is inspired by God and[a] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,[b] 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

    Matthew 5 (Jesus speaks)
    17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.[a] 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    • frudo

      Amen

      • boypalaban

         BAGAY KAYO NG PETRUS ROMANUS NA YAN…

        pareho kayong uto uto…

      • frudo

        ikaw rin nman uto uto eh kaya nga pinagtatangol mo paniniwala mo eh ksi uto uto ka rin ano ba deny ka pa

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

    • ARIKUTIK

      Yang utak mo ang made in China kasi sira sira…… ewwwwwwww…….. makapag luto ng nga lang…….. byeeeeeeeee……….. Donk ! >>>>>>> ???

  • inquirertalk

    To Quiapo Priest, you need to know the real meaning of idolatry. It’s an abomination to God! Repent now before it’s too late. Thou shall not make any graven image!

  • inquirertalk

    God is a Spirit,  we must worship Him in spirit and in truth!!!

  • simondj

    Exodus 20 – 3: “You shall have no other gods before me. 4: “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5: you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6: but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. 

  • JX Peron

    All this devotion to the statue of the Black Nazarene clearly shows the idolatrous style of spirituality inherent in Pinoy Catholic culture. The Pinoy devotee may have no idea about the theology — or lack thereof — behind his or her action, but the mere touching of the statue is viewed as the highlight of the whole carnivalesque affair.

    And that is the point of the Quiapo feast — to provide an awe-inspiring celebration. Forget the theology, or even the supposed presence or absence of God. Focus instead on the color and vibrancy and sense of community.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BLACK NAZARENE MADE IN CHINA!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/pgnelineman Daniel Nielsen

    according to luke he said any man with long hair was a disgrace so it is doubtful jesus wouild have looked like a hippie.i have seen idols here with jesus having blond hair red hair. on one of the islands her they worship a mary who was actually a hindu goddess who was given to them by a passing ship from macau that had been to india a black mary

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE READ THE BIBLE, AND ARE QUOTING EXCERPTS FROM THE BIBLE TO ATTEST TO YOUR CLAIM THAT DEVOTION TO BLACK NAZARENE IS IDOLATRY.

    We and the devotees do not worship the block of wood.  That’s what you have been accusing us.  What we are worshipping is the One represented by the Black Nazarene which, for us, is Jesus Christ, commemorating His sacrifices for the salvation of mankind.

    You have kept on quoting excerpts from the Bible to attest that this practice is idolatrous, or against the law of God, thus making us undeserving of the Kingdom of God, and, therefore, we are all hellbound.  That is meting out prejudgment, don’t you think so?

    QUESTION:  Where did you see in the Bible YOUR AUTHORITY TO PREJUDGE?

    Faith is a matter between any individual and God.  An individual may be a member of a congregation or religious grouping,, yet his faith is his individual relationship with God.

    After completing all physical hardships and suffering, every devotee ends up fully relieved, happy, enjoying a feeling of achievement in having fulfilled his SELF-IMPOSED OBLIGATION TO COME CLOSER TO AND BE WITH GOD.

    As everybody knows, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU JESUS CHRIST.

    QUESTION:  Having that in mind, learning it from the Bible,
    DON’T YOU THINK YOUR COMING BETWEEN THE DEVOTEES AND GOD
    IS SACRILEGIOUS?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/N7DPPYBFZJIA2J5G5EVNTELMZY silvia

      you dont know what your talking about. you dont read the bible. John 4:24 God is Spirit we must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. Exodus 20:4 You not make for yourself any idol in the form of anything in heaven above, earth. You not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God, am a jealous God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        God created Man in his own image. So in literal Meaning God has an image.

    • elpobre

      At sino kaya ang pinatatamaan ng mga tekstong binanggit? hindi bat ang mga gumakamit nga mga rebolto (graven images) sa kanilang pag samba. Bakit sinabi ba ng biblia na sambahin ang images?, ang sabi wag kayong mag tiwala, ikaw tiwalang-tiwala ka na ang rebulto ni Black nazarene ay nag rerepresenta kay Jesus. Ang sagot ni Jesus sayo sabi ng teksto, hanapin mo dahil di ko alam, pero ang sabi niya, umalis ka dahil hindi kita kilala, walang mga apostoles ang gumamit ng rebulto ni Jesu sa kanilang pagsamba, ang gumamit nitoy ang mga pagan nations like Moab in time of Gideon and his 300, they destroy that images, and Moses did not permit Israelites to make any images for worship God like what they did in making Cow’s image, mukhang yan ang religion ng taga India.
      Yan kasi, tiwalang-tiwala kayo sa mga sinasabi ni Constantino dati, alam niyong pagano ang tao.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Catholic faith teaches nothing about worshiping graven images. If you find in all catholic Churches it is Just a religious Icon. Nothing to do with worshiping. Did you see any cow image being worshiped in Catholic Churches? If you see somebody praying inside the catholic Church you don’t know what inside in his heart. Only God knows!

      • boypalaban

        ang galing mo!

        ANO ANG TUNAY NA RELIHIYON?

        KAPAG NASAGOT MO AKO NANG TAMA, MANINIWALA AKO SA YO…

        KAPAG HINDI…TULOG KA NA…TIRA KA MUNA ULIT NG SHABU….

      • elpobre

         All religion are true, hindi ka maniniwala? tanungin mo ang mga miyembro nito.

      • boypalaban

        di mo pa rin ako masagot nang maayos…puro paligoy ligoy…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kayo lang ang nagsasabing sinasamba namin ang images…sarili niyong accusation, at KAYO NA RIN ANG HUKOM. Gayong kung marunong kang umintindi, sinabi ko nang hindi sinasamba ang kahoy. Sentido kumon lang ang gamitin mo para maintindihan mong wala tayong pagtatalunan tungkol sa hindi dapat sambahin ang anumang images. ANG PROBLEMA MO AY ANG PAKIKIALAM MO SA DAPAT AY IGINAGALANG MO.  

        Sobra nang pagmamataas iyan. Masyadong MAKASARILI … PALALO. HINDI MO BA ALAM NA ANG NAGMAMATAAS AY IBINABAGSAK…HABANG ANG NAGMAMABABA AY ITINATAAS?.
        NASA ITAAS KA NA, KAYA ALAM MO NA KUNG ANO ANG KAHIHINATNAN MO.

        DALAWA LANG ANG TANONG KO SA AKING POST, ANG DAMI MONG NALALAMAN, KAPUS NA KAPUS KA NAMAN SA PANG-INTINDI. PARA KANG NATUTUKAN NG KRUS NA NAGTATAKBONG HINDI MALAMAN ANG SUSULINGAN. NANATILING TANONG ANG AKING KATANUNGAN.  TATAGALUGIN KO PARA MAINTINDIHAN MO:

        1.  ANONG BAHAGI SA BIBLIYA ANG NAGBIGAY SA IYO NG KARAPATAN NA HUSGAHAN ANG KAPUWA MO?

        2.  SA PAMAMAGITAN LAMANG NI JESUS CHRIST MAKARARATING SA GOD THE FATHER…SINO KA AT ANO ANG PAPEL MO PARA MAMAGITAN BETWEEN THE DEVOTEES AND GOD?

        COMMON SENSE ANG GAMITIN MO, HINDI ANG MGA SUNGAY MO.

         .

      • elpobre

         Kesyo sinasamba mo yan o hindi, wala akong pakialam, ang alam ko hindi dapat gamitin yan sa pagsamba o ano pamang decorasyon sa bahay man o simbahan dahil like what other poster said base on the bible, God is has no image and clearly the bible teach us not to make that things because god itself jealous of what we’re doing. Mas mahalaga pa si Nazareno sang sa kanya, bero mo ba namang milliones ang pumupunta doon samantalang nanalangin ba ang mga yan ng patago sa bahay nila gaya ng sinabi ni Jesus kung pano manalangin, ito chapter sa bible, Mateo chapter 6 basahin mo lahat yan.

      • boypalaban

        “god itself jealous” hahahahaha may seloso palang Diyos…paano naging Diyos yan kung nagbabago ang emosyon?

        “nanalangin ba ang mga yan ng patago sa bahay nila gaya ng sinabi ni Jesus kung pano manalangin, …”

        ganun naman pala e…buwagin na lahat ng mga simbahan…lahat ng mga prayer gathering…lahat lahat na…walang kwenta pala ang sama-samang panalangin…

        ayaw rin pala ni Hesus ang magsasama-sama sa kanyang Ngalan para manalangin…wala pala siya doon…nanloloko lang pala siya…tsk tsk…

        ingat ka sa mga sinasabi mo…out of context ka…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Jealous God term cannot be interpreted as literal. God only knows what he meant by that. Don’t kill but killing still there. Even the bible teaches justice in Leviticus: eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, as you injured me you’ll be injured.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        HINDI KA NAKIKIALAM? Ikaw ba pinaniniwalaan mo ang sinasabi mong ‘yan? Ano’ng ginagawa mo dito? Nakikisawsaw lang?

        Tingnan mo nangyayari sa iyo…para kang natutukan ng krus…di mo alam kung saan ka susuling. Saka, sino ba’ng nagsabi sa ‘yong gamitin mo ‘yan.

        Lumayu-layo ka sa gawaing banal…pag natilamsikan ka ng agua vendita, lalo na sa mukha, magkakatabi-tabingi ka…pagbalik mo sa teritoryo, di nila malaman kung ikaw si Lucifer o si Satanas.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Why do they need a wooden symbol to worship Jesus Christ. What a bunch of insects with tiny brain. They deserve what was alloted for them.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Papayag ka bang ikaw ang gawing symbol?  Kami mas lalong hindi.  Ang sinasabi mong tiny brain ay ang pananamapalatayang sinasawsawan mo ngayon…hindi ka ba nasisiyahan kay ‘elpobre’ at dito ka nanggugulo? 

        Sa pangalan mo pa lang na may ‘atik’ na, namumutiktik na atik.  Kaya siguro ayaw mo kay ‘elpobre’…hindi naman atik ang problem niya…sentido kumon lang ng isang sibilisado.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Did you know that Moses make a serpent made of bronze commanded by God. But later destroyed by a Jew king, thinking that Moses and the Israelites are worshiping graven image. Are you really a Catholic? Or you just pretending one?

    • jin2012

      Isaiah 42:8
      “I am the LORD [YaHWeH]; that is my name! I WILL NOT GIVE my glory to another or my praise to idols.

      2 Timothy 3:16-17
      16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

      Galatians 5
      19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 IDOLATRY and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this WILL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        OH, NANGAHAS KANG SUMINGIT.

        HAVE YOU REALIZED BY NOW THAT YOU’VE COME TO THE WRONG PLACE?  YOU’VE SAID THINGS THAT HAVE NO RELEVANCE TO MY QUESTIONS.

      • jin2012

        So you didn’t understand that I DID ANSWER your questions.
        You also addressed your post “TO ALL THOSE WHO”.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang nakikita kong maliwanag sa mga sinasabi mo ay ang PAGPAPAKITA MO NG GALING MO.

        Ang galing ng isang tao ay nag-uumpisa sa pagiging mapagpakumbaba.  Ang pagpapakumbaba mo ang siyang magtataas sa iyo.  Kung hahaplit ka ng pakikialam, ang aanihin mo, tulad din ng pamamaraan mo…magkaiba lamang ang direksiyon….BINUBULAG KA NG HANGARING MANGIBABAW..HAHATAKIN KA PAIBABA NG SARILI MONG PAMAMARAAN.

      • jin2012

        Where in my post did I display pride?  You are accusing me of it.  The scripture is from God, I merely posted it to answer your questions.  It seems you are now angry I did…or are you angry of what the scripture says? I didn’t write those words, they are from God.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

    Many Religions lack of faith. Envy and heavy heart to see that thousand of people gathered and celebrated the Feast of Black Nazarene in Quiapo. Expression of Faith of devotees is hard to explain. But freedom of Religion is constitutional law which granted to everyone. Practice of devotion seen by other Christian sect as idolatry. This is a potent weapon to brainwashed catholic believer to leave their faith.The Catholic Church never teaches to bow over a graven images but people keeping do it some of them are also in different faith asking favor for their problems… Nothing to loss if you asked something for a solution..The Catholic practices is to pray and kneeling, but it doesn’t mean that kneeling inside the church with the Icon of crosses and other Icon are idolatry. Many sect displayed such things inside their Churches,but in Catholic people are praying to Jesus Christ as their ultimate savior nothing less.

    • elpobre

      Yan ang akala mo, that is the same when worshiping sun and other creators, they make the images for that thing for their worship, walang pinag kaiba yan, bakit ang mga sumasamba kay RA feeling ba ng mga Egyptians na sumasamba sila sa images ni RA, no, but we called them pagan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Pagan didn’t believe on Jesus Christ. So what is your point on catholic faith? Is Expression of Faith and solidarity are what? Just give me an Idea or point for that?

      • elpobre

         Merong halong pagan and originally pagan worship ang itinataguyod ng Catholic, simply and understandable.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        In what form? Could you enlighten me? What do you mean simply and understndable? Explain it?

      • elpobre

        Do you read what apostle Paul wrote, you must read all his writing in the bible and compare it of what christian congregations did in worshiping God and belief in Jesus Christ to the Catholic is now.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        What apostle wrote that I must read? What verses?

      • elpobre

         Cho ang sinabi ko na, you want to recognize my belief for you to criticize.
        Don’t think about other religions or cults, focus on what Catholic’s doctrine and study it if these are base in the bible.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        So what is your religion?

      • elpobre

         yan dapat, straight to the point, Catholic

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        You’re Catholic but your words is never been a Catholic. I don’t think you are a Liar. But I sense you are.

      • elpobre

         Cho you want me to contradict your doctrine to the other religions for you to force me indoctrinate you with other belief. And my advise is, you must learn or study the word of God itself and not for me or from others.

      • boypalaban

        word of God? saan? sinulat ba ng Diyos yan?

      • elpobre

         wala tayong pagtatalunan diyan, dahil hindi ka naniniwala sa bible.

      • boypalaban

        meron…kasi sabi ng iba sila ang totoo…di pwedeng marami ang totoo…siguradong may sinungaling…alin ngayon ang tunay na relihiyon at tunay na salita ng Diyos?

      • elpobre

         If you’re a christian, ang sinungaling ay ang hindi sumununod dito at ang tama ay ang sumusunod, ngayon alamin mo kung sino ang sumusunod

      • frudo

        Kung naniniwala ka sa Bible humingi ka ng tulong sa Dios na maintindihan mo to..Dios lang ang nagbibigay ng wisdom sa tao,  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        I studied the word of God. But I don’t want to be Judgemental to other belief. so others don’t do unto me.I am a catholic ,religious Icon Inside in the Churches is meant for display as catholic church practices. The word of God is full of Mystery we cannot interpret it for other’s consumption.

      • elpobre

         And how about account about those people worshiping god with images decorated in their temple that god don’t permit it?

      • boypalaban

        alam mo ba ang apat na grupo ng mga nagsulat ng mga unang aklat ng Lumang Tipan? kung hindi…wag ka nang banggit nang banggit ng kung ano ano dito…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        No violation in human laws. How would you know that people worshipped those Icon? Did you asked them? Or it is just your assumption?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Akala mo master mo na ang libro…ni hindi mo nga naiintindihan ang mga sinasabi mo.

      • elpobre

         That’s why merong mga Catholic dati ang ngayon na they want the first century christian faith to be restore, what we called them reformation

      • boypalaban

         sige ano ang tunay na relihiyon?
        kapag nasagot mo ako ng tama, maniniwala ako sa lahat ng sinasabi mo dito…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kaya siguro hanggang ngayon, pobre ka pa rin…sa pang-unawa…kaawa-awa. Sana nag-aral ka muna ng civilization, bago ka nakialam sa mga bagay na hindi abot ng pang-unawa mo.

      • elpobre

         And do you have that?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I have been dragging you to respond to my reactions, diba ?  ibig sabihin, kayang kaya kang kaladkarin sinuman ang kausap mo…try to reform yourself from savage to civilized first.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        And, on the other side, do you know how the pagans call you? Hindi kaya Barbaro?

      • elpobre

         And you need to mixed pagan practice with you?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kung saan-saan ka pumupulot ng isasagot mo…may relasyon man sa issue o wala…sana nag-aral ka munang maging sibilisado, bago ka nakisawsaw sa bagay na wala sa kakayahan mo.

  • mapicchu

    IF…Jan 10, 2013 headlines were to read: 300 casualties from Quiapo bridge collapse which crumbled under extreme weight of devotees;  Black Nazarene procession ended at 1:30am Jan 10th.   5,000 more injured from jostling crowds during the translacion…

    how would the Monsignor Ignacio/the CBCP wiggle out of that situation???? will they claim twas an act of GOD????…just wondering, parang d cila use foresight, instinct, disaster-prevention systems..kaloka

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Granting your figures were correct, so, 5300 got hurt (take note: no casualty)…did you read the news? These devotees came fully aware of the risks involved…most of them, even tho they got hurt, they still felt they were able to fulfill their promise, hence they got that wonderful feeling of achievement.  As a matter of fact, they have been experiencing same sacrifices for some time, yet, they keep coming back. They are doing it powered by their faith that by doing so, they get closer to God. With such sacred motivation, would you still be in any position to claim that their devotion would not have divine approbation?

      Moreover, did you check what percent is 5300 to 9,000,000 attendees…could it be a grain in one sack of rice?

      • elpobre

         That is called miracle, when you have a bunch of sheep inside your barn, what you will do? Protect them from harm, and God protect his people. But then, how about Satan, did he also protect her people?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Let those people practice their Tradition. It is their fate and they know the risk. If you had chance since you are a Catholic too as you said,try to convince them not to joined it again because as you believe it is against the word of God. As I believe many of them are also intellectual and professional. We don’t know their heart. If it bothers you, or you’re concerned with them. I have nothing to do with you. Just pray them!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Rightly said, those who have learned must warn, the risk is left to those warned.  But I bet most of these so-called intellectual you mentioned never even knew about the 325AD meeting in Nicea…  where the sole agenda was “to decide if Jesus is God or Prophet” based on the scriptures…  Imagine what would have been the state of the world now, had they decided that Jesus was a Prophet… like those before and after him (remember the coming of the Comforter, that Jesus himself predicted?)…  But in the end, we all have individual wisdom to rely on, we learn, we analize (and not just swallow what the vatican says), and ultimately we decide what to follow based on our best judgement…  May Allah guide you all in your endevour, I pray that you all find the true path.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        THAT’s THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO…PRAY…
        RATHER THAN REGARD YOURSELF AS THE BEST…MAY THE GOOD LORD BLESS AND KEEP YOU.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Nothing to do with being best or better, just a reminder to those who neglect the scriptures and kissing statues,,,  pahaplos-haplos sa imahen, etc… as in the above….

      • elpobre

         Cho, intellectual, did you compare the intellect of this world to the knowledge of God? did you read the bible that say, the intellect of this world ay kamangmangan sa diyos?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Why don’t you try to talk to them? Don’t be Judgemental by using the word of the Bible. At least you will know their answer. Liar is everywhere from all walks of life using the word of the Bible. You know what I mean.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        You know the answer, isn’it it?  Face the mirror.

      • mapicchu

        DUH! the premise is IF!

  • bugoybanggers

    Yung mga nagmamagaling na mga miembro ng mga KULTO, back off! Nakikialam na naman kayo. Mga pakialamero at ingiterong mga miembrong mga ungas na PASTOR. Ang okasyong ito ay para sa mga Katoliko lang at hindi kayo sakop! Nagmamagaling kayo para MANIRA? Bakit sa ibang RELIGION, hindi kayo umaasta! Uwi na lang kayo at matulog tutal ligtas na kayo ayon sa PASTOR ninyo at panatalihin ninyong isaULO ang mga dinagdag at pinalaganap na sinulat ng PASTOR ninyong bibliya. Bukas na lang kayo mag bahay bahay, simulan ninyo sa lugar ng mga MUSLIM. okay?

    • elpobre

       At ikaw ok lang sayo manira ng ibang religion o kulto? hindi na kailangan siraan ang mga Katoliko, kasi sira na este ang karamihang nagunaw sa mundo ng panahon ni Noe ay majority, sila Noe ang minority na tumatalima sa utos ng diyos. Kaya mo niyuyurakan ang mga small religion, gaya ka rin ng mga tao noon sa panahon ni Noe na akikiisa sa majority na paniniwala na hindi naman kasuwato sa kagustohan ng diyos.

      • bugoybanggers

        Hindi ako naninira ng RELIGION, ang mga KULTO o kayo ang mga maninira! Magaling kamo? Saulado ang bibliya? Pero hindi kayo nakaka asta sa mga MUSLIM o mga BUDHIST? Ang kaya ninyo KATOLIKO lang! Kasi alam ninyo na kung walang KATOLIKO, WALA din KAYO! Malinaw? O sige patayin mo ang ilaw para lumabo!

      • elpobre

         Tama ka diyan, kung walang katoliko wala din kami dito, kasi ang mga magulang ko pinaghalong Caucasian at Malayan. Muntik ng naging katoliko ang middle east at buong asia kung walang umangal sa loob mismo ng simbahan katolika na mali ang mga doctrina nito kayat natigil ang mga crusader dahil karamihan ay pinag papatay mismo ng simbahan ng malinawagan na ang layunin kung bakit sila pinadala sa digmaan para maging katoliko ang maging sakop nito na salungat naman sa prinsipio ng diyos na kanilang sinasamba. Ang biblia ay hindi pinababasa, at ng mabasa ito nina Calvin at iba pang matatapang nag iba na ang ihip ng hangin sa buong simbahan, sumikat ang kalinawagan na niloloko lang pala sila ng simbahan, at nangyari pinipresecute na ang kalaban ng mga pari na hindi naman talaga umugat yan sa turo ng bibliya, kaya lang gusto ng paring klase na mapanatili sila upang manduan ang buong sang kataohan.

      • bugoybanggers

        O ano ang basehan mo? May galit ka sa mga KATOLIKO? Larga, pasalamat ka at malaya ang mga KATOLIKO! Ang mga panahon nanabanggit mo ay HISTORY? Ngayon, ano ang adhikain ni PASTOR mo! Alam mo ba ang nangyayari ngayon sa WESTERN WORLD? Isama mo ang Europa at America, una ibinagsak nila ang mga Katoliko para mag wagi ang mga Pastor mo, pagkatapos papasok na ang mga batas na PANTAO (Human RIGHTS)–mga imoralidad pwede dahil karapatan kamo! Pwede na lahat kasi DEMOCRACIA! Hayop tao..kabaklaan..Pagkatapos noon, papasok na ang SCIENTOLOGY at ATHEISM.. papasok na ang pagkamakaSARILI ng mga tao.. Salamat sa PASTOR mo nag wagi nga! Kaya nga ang mga KANO ang pinakamaraming kalaban sa mundo! Kasama na ang mga PASTOR mo! 

      • elpobre

         Bugoy kahit ngayon nangyayari parin na ang mga pari ay nakikialam sa pamamahala ng tao na siyang sinasabi ng bible na mali. Dahil ang sabi, my kingdom is not part of this world, ibig bang sabihin ni Jesus na makikialam ka sa pamunuan ng tao? Isipin mo

      • boypalaban

        ah ok pala kahit ubusin na lahat ang mga tao ng mga walanghiyang namumunong abusado…basta di dapat makialam ang taga simbahan kasi bawal…hahahahhaha…grabe ka magpatawa…aral ka ng tamang turo ng bibliya…sablay yang ikapu mong pastor…

      • elpobre

         walang katunayan? si Luther ano ba siya noong hindi pa siya pastor e di pari

      • boypalaban

        monghe…
        may issue sa tatay niya yan…
        at nag-asawa ng anim…tatlo yata yung pinapatay niya…
        at naghugas kamay nung minasaker mga magsasaka na siya mismo nagudyok mag-alsa…
        sablay yang binabanggit mo…

      • elpobre

         anong klaseng monhe? monghe ng hindu, budhist?

      • boypalaban

         monghe ng mga agustino…alam mo ba talaga ang mga sinusulat mo?

      • elpobre

         Yan ba totoo? dahil takot si Luther ng bata ba siya sa kidlat? Naku magpapaniwala ka dyan, sino ba ang sumulat sa binabasa mo? Ikaw pag ang kalaban mo, did you praise them?

      • boypalaban

        at sino naman ang nagsulat ng mga alam mo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        You’re lying my Friend. You told me you are a Catholic.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        EH, ANO ANG GINAGAWA MO RITO?  IPAGPALAGAY MO MANG ISA KANG LEON NA NAKAKAWALA PARA UBUSIN ANG MGA KATOLIKO, HINDI KA NA NADALA…GINAWA NA IYAN NOONG UNANG PANAHON PA, WA EPEK.  PATULOY PA RIN ANG PAGDAMA NG MGA TUNAY NA MANANAMPALATAYA,
        hanggang sa tumalsik o tumilamsik lang kayo…tapos HABOL KAYO NANG HABOL, ipangangalandakan niyo pang kayo ang totoo.  EH, SULPOT LANG KAYO DITO…BAKIT HINDI KAYO GUMAWA NG SARILI NIYO…TAPOS TINGNAN NAMIN KUNG ANO ANG MAGING SALOOBIN NIYO KAPAG PINAGLARUAN NAMIN ANG PAGLAKI NG MGA ULO NIYO NA PINASOK NG SOBRANG HANGIN DAHIL SA SOBRANG TECHNICALITIES NG NGINANGASAB NINYO NANG HINDI NAUUUNAWAAN.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OS3MVCRQH7UV4MJRZURFNIXGBI Cho

        Sabi mo Katoliko ka? Bat sisiraan ang Relihiyon mo? E educate mo nalang sila Kung Mali ang attitude ng worship nila. Sana di ka sinungaling.

      • elpobre

         Cho sinisiraan ko ba? i am telling them and still they insist kung anong kalokohang tradisyon meron tayo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tilamsik lang kayo galing sa tunay na relihiyon na pilit niyong sinisira…KAYO NGA ITONG NI HINDI PA NABUBUO, paano mo masisira ang relihiyong tumatag na at tumibay ng libu-libong taon.  Ipinakain pa sa mga leon ang mga naunang Katoliko, ipinagbawal at pinagpapatay, ng kung ilang panahon, nanatiling matatag at matibay.  Parang kabute, bigla kang susulpot at gusto mong sirain.  SABI KO SA IYO,  SENTIDO KUMON LANG ANG KAILANGAN PARA MASAGOT MO ANG MGA TANONG NA SINAWSAWAN MO. 

        HANGGANG NGAYON, WALA KANG MAISAGOT !

    • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

      Baka naman ikaw ang miyembro ng kulto. Sinasamba ninyo ang rebultong negro. Ang prusisyong ito ay damay ang lahat ng madaanan, Katoliko man o hindi.Peste sa traffic, salot sa basura, pati krimen gaya ng pandurukot.Kung walang insidente at issue ng public safety, give it a go. Tourist attraction iyan, gaya ng Mecca Hajj. Sa public forum tibayan ang dibdib. Namnamin ang katotohanan. Ang pagsasabi ng totoo at may batayan ay hindi paninira. Huwag pairalin ang asal-kalye, di na nabibili iyan.Ang suggestion ko palitan mo na ang title mo ng: ” BUGOKNABUNGANGERO” mas bagay. Peace man.

      • KianFF

        Walang katotohan iisa lang dahil lahat tayo naniniwalang katotohanan ang pinanghahawakan natin. Kung sa tingin mo may mali sa ginagawang ito, isa-isahin mo ang milyong kataong ito at sabihing mali ang debosyon nila, para naman may patunguhan yang ipinaglalaban mo.

  • boypalaban

     ano ba ang gusto ng Diyos?
    pakibanggit nga ng malinaw….

    • elpobre

       He don’t want to use graven image when you worship him. Simple, basahin mo sa bible ang naisulat doon sa ibaba.

      • boypalaban

         ah yun lang pala gusto niya…kapag di ginawa yun, ok na ok na siya…ambabaw ng pagkakakilala mo sa Diyos….

      • elpobre

         Ok na siya, galit siya sa gumawa ng diyos-diyosan at paggamit nito dahil yan ang nakasulat sa bible e, bakit maaruk mo ba ang kalaliman ng kaalaman ng diyos?

      • boypalaban

        yes!….napatawa mo ako ngayong araw….

      • elpobre

         Oh boy, how you compare your knowledge with God for you to take into deepness of perfect god.

      • boypalaban

        saan mo nabasa na kinumpara ko sarili ko sa Diyos?

      • boypalabobo

        elpobre…. don’t waste your time.  Maraming ng sumagot sa kanya sa baba, wala naman siyang maibagay na sagot pag siya ang tinanong.

        hanggang ganun lang ang kaya niya.

  • boypalaban

    patunayan mo muna na totoo na salita ng Diyos ang nakasulat sa Biblia…bakit di mo magawa at ibabaling mo sa akin ang pagpapatunay?

    tulog ka na muna…

    • boypalabobo

      Sinagot ka ng matino.  Saan naman ang sagot mo sa mga tanong sayo???
      Para kang sirang CD na pauliulit.  Wala ka ng credibility.

  • ARIKUTIK

    Kung si Rizal na isang bayani (kuno) ay ginawan ng itim na rebulto at sinuutan ng barong tagalog sa halip na banyagang amerikana para magmukhang Indio na Rizal, papayag ba ang gobyerno ? Natural hindi ! kasi korap at Utak Tao ang gobyerno. = Once i wished not te be just plain human but one like a living god on earth with powers to step on serpent with out being bitten or to get inside a furnace of fire with out being burned. In quest for power, I studied the thoughs of god a thousand times over. Here is what I discovered > The thoughs of God is beyond human comprehension like a mystery no human can figure out. Which human will say, “the first will be last and the last will be first”. That is injustice in human terms but God say’s “who has the right to question My righteousness, I Am the creator.”… Jesus said,(as remembered) ”whoever slaps your face, turn the other side of your rosy cheek to be slap slapped too then both sides will be balanced redened face.” Which human will ever cooked up that kind of rule ? The wisdom of Jesus is peace for all mankind. God promised > “Vengeance is mine”. God created Satan to temp humans yet commanded the believers not to fall victims of Satans temptations. Who can pathom the ways of God ? In the same way who are they to judge the millions devotees of Black Nazarene. One thing is sure that all humans will agree with understanding = With out the Black Nazarene, there will be no millions of God believers to assemble in Quiapo church year after year re-igniting a faith with sacrificed bare foot in hot asphalt road. A pilgrimage of believers worshipping God on appointed day of a black wood. The Spirit of God will be there too…….   

  • boypalabobo

    @ BOYPALABAN
    ano wala ka parin sagot na matino?  hanggang ganyan lang pala kaya mo eh…parang sirang CD. Maraming ng sagot binigay sayo, hindi ka naman sumagot sa mga tanong sayo.

    Hamon ka ng hamon…ayan sinagot ka….ngayon me tanong sayo… wala kang masagot?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      BAKIT DI MO HAMUNIN ANG SARILI MO…BA’T DITO KA UMAALULONG, EH, HINDI KA NAMAN NAKAHARAP SA SALAMIN.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    Attention:  ELPOBRE

    Simple lang and dalawang tanong ko na sinawsawan mo.  BAKIT HANGGANG NGAYON DI MO SINASAGOT ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    1)  ANO’NG BAHAGI SA BIBLIYA ANG NAGBIGAY SA ‘YO NG KARAPATAN NA HATULAN ANG KAPUWA MO?

    2)  As everybody knows, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU JESUS CHRIST.

    SINO AT ANO KA, BAKIT PAPAPELAN MO ANG PAGHAHANGAD NG MGA DEVOTEES PARA MAPALAPIT SA DIYOS…IN OTHER WORDS, ANO ANG PAPEL MO BETWEEN THE DEVOTEES AND GOD?

    HUMINGI KA NG TULONG SA PASTOR MO, KUNG NANGINGISAY KA NA SA TAKOT.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

      It is correct that Elpobre nor anyone else has the right to judge others,,, here or in the Hereafter, for Judgement is solely from God…  hence, we just have to be aware of what God forbade, idolatry amongst them, if we wish to portray a true faith…

      Exodus 20:3-6 

      “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved
      image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the
      earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down
      to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God…

      Isaiah 44:9-20 

      All who fashion idols are nothing, and the things they delight in do not profit. Their
      witnesses neither see nor know, that they may be put to shame. Who fashions a
      god or casts an idol that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his companions
      shall be put to shame, and the craftsmen are only human. Let them all assemble,
      let them stand forth. They shall be terrified; they shall be put to shame
      together. The ironsmith takes a cutting tool and works it over the coals. He
      fashions it with hammers and works it with his strong arm. He becomes hungry,
      and his strength fails; he drinks no water and is faint. The carpenter
      stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and
      marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty
      of a man, to dwell in a house. …

      1 John 5:21 

      Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

      Jonah 2:8 

      Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love.

      Leviticus 19:4 

      Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves any gods of cast metal: I am the Lord your God.

      Revelation 9:20 

      The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works
      of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and
      bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,

      Romans 1:23 

      And exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and
      birds and animals and creeping things.

      THERE ARE A HUNDRED MORE OF THESE REFERENCES IN BOTH THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS, so for someone with sane rational NOT to know that devotion to a wooden / metallic images constitute idolatry, is a huge ????mark.  You may call and justify the act as show of intense faith, devotion, etc…  but it is that very same act that God forbade from generations to generations…  Lest you’ve not been warned… I do pray that you all come to realization and follow the truth.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        NO ARGUMENT ABOUT WORSHIPPING STATUES AND IMAGES…WE ARE OF THE SAME BELIEF…HENCE, NO NEED TO QUOTE EVERYTHING THAT YOU QUOTED IN YOUR POST.

        WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WRONG.  IT IS OUR WAY OF WORSHIPPING GOD.  IF YOUR WAY HAPPENS TO BE DIFFERENT, WE RESPECT THAT.  WE ALSO DEMAND THAT YOU RESPECT OURS.

        YOU DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SECOND QUESTION, THAT NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU JESUS CHRIST, ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE WHO WANT TO COME BETWEEN THE BELIEVERS AND GOD?

        I QUOTED ABOVE PERTINENT EXCERPTS FROM THE BIBLE, WHICH WERE THE BASIS OF MY TWO QUESTIONS.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Good luck to you then!  As for me, i stopped touching any image as sign of devotion, i stopped swipping cloth on man-made statues as sign of devotion, i stopped even looking at man-made images and statues when praying,,,  in fear of what the scriptures have forbidden…  I THEN LEAVE YOU TO YOUR FAITH, IN DOING SUCH…  DON;T BLAME OTHERS LATER THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WARNED!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        That’s your Judgement call. Do it. No one against you. You’ve your own free will that God given.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        THE DEVOTEES HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR NO LESS THAN 200 YEARS…THEN, LIKE A MUSHROOM YOU SPROUTED TO WARN THEM.

        Did your father ever know what you’ve been doing?

      • jin2012

        Colossians 2:8
        See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Naaawa pa rin ako sa mga sobrang talino ang belief nila sa sarili…tataas lang kayo nang tataas hanggang sumambulat.

      • jin2012

        Now you are being judgemental.  I hope you realize that.  Why are you so angry and judgemental when all I did is post the words from God? If Christ himself posted that, would you say the same thing to him?  Does it matter who posted it?  I am just a messenger, those words do not belong to me.

      • jin2012

        He isn’t judging, he is correcting.

        2 Timothy 3:16-17
        16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching,rebuking, CORRECTING and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

        If you don’t believe we are correct….

        Acts 17:11
        Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

        Finally, this is what Christ said….

        Matthew 5
        17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore ANYONE who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but WHOEVER practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        HOW CAN YOU CORRECT ANYTHING, UNLESS YOU KNEW IT WAS WRONG.  WHEN YOU SAY SOMEONE IS WRONG, ISN’ T THAT JUDGING.

        USE YOUR COMMON SENSE…YOU DON’T NEED EXCERPTSFROM THE BIBLE TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE.
        JUST REMEMBER THAT EVEN JESUS CHRIST SAID, “LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME TO ME; DO NOT STOP THEM; FOR IT IS TO SUCH AS THESE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD BELONGS.  TRULY I TELL YOU, WHOEVER DOES NOT RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS A LITTLE CHILD WILL NEVER ENTER IT.”  (Mark 10: 14-16)

      • jin2012

        1. So are you now saying NO-ONE should correct or even teachANYONE unless he is Christ or God?  You can read 2 Timothy 3 and Matthew 5 yourself so YOU tell us what it means.

        2.  Are you saying if someone makes a mistake, to let him keep making the mistake?  Try reading Galatians 2 – when Paul corrected Peter.

        3.  Jesus is alive and real and in heaven, seated at the right hand of God.  He is not a piece of wood.  Refer to Isaiah 42:8.   So I will ask you, if a little child saw Christ, and saw the Black Nazarene statue, which one will the little child embrace and kiss?

        4.  Ask a little child if a man or even a priest says “color this blue”  and God and Christ says “color this red”… which one do you think the child will follow?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        It depends on how you regard yourself.

        Kung sa palagay mo tama, it will give you pride…when you become prideful, you will lift up yourself from the ground…pag nasa itaas ka na, THAT’S THE TIME YOU WILL GO DOWN.

        At kung sobra na ang hangin mo sa ulo, sasambulat ka na lang, ni hindi mo na malalaman kung saan pupulutin ang gutay-gutay mong nalalaman.

      • jin2012

        Where in my post did I display “pride”, “hangin-boastfulness” etc.? 

        I pointed out scripture to correct, not to boast.  If what I say is untrue, incorrect, by all means, check your own bible to see if what I said is true.  (refer to Acts 17:11)

      • boypalabobo

        This is correcting:

        Student says 1+1 = 3
        Teacher says
        1. No it is 2.
        2. No it is 2.  Here is why….

        This is judging:

        Student says 1+1 = 3
        Teacher says,
        1. No, superbobo ka pala, 
        2. No, I think you were raised improperly by your parents and friends. 
        3. No, everything you do is wrong.
        4. No, you Filipinos are stupid.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        And…you believed the student ! Wow !!!

      • jin2012

        And you missed his point.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Don’t Judge the others is quite simply word…… People have Ears, Eyes, and all senses to make their own free will. Why judge them of their own understanding and belief, and violate no laws and do good for the mankind.

    • elpobre

       Ding, sagutin ko lang ang tanong mo kahit matagal na ito ha, buti nalang at naka save itong link sa browser ko.
      Sa unang mong tanong, how can i judge someone? isipin mo, sinasabi ko lang na hindi ganyan ang gusto ng diyos na paraan upang siya’y sambahin, ang mapag paimbabaw na pag papakita nga devotion sa diyos sa harap ng maraming tao, ano ang sagot ni Jesus, natanggap na nila ang kanilang mga hiling, ibig sabihin hindi yan ang gusto ng diyos, see, basahin mo ang Mateo chapter 6 regarding model prayers, if you want me to judge the current acts of these people, i judge ko sila na hindi nakaabot sa pamantayan ng diyos, but who i am to judge them? because sometimes later on, these people realize to acts in God’s way and save in time of God Judgement day.
      Pangalawa, no one comes to his Father except thru Jesus Christ, dito sa line mo na ito, tanungin kita, naintindihan mo ba ang sabi ni Jesus? Sinabi ito ni Jesus ng dito pa siya sa lupa, at saan ang kanyang father? sa langit, ngunit ang paniniwala mo ay si Jesus at ang kanyang ama ay iisa, how come na naging isa sila in person samantalang sinabi ni Jesus na nandon ang kanyang ama sa langit, isipin mo yan. Ibig sabihin you don’t have the right na sabihin mo sa akin na walang makapunta sa ama thru jesus dahil sa paniniwala mong yan. Pero ang sagot ko sa tanong mo, no one even you even mary or any saint but Jesus, that is what the bible tells us. Ang papel ko lang sa mga devotees tulad mo ay ipaunawa sa inyo na hindi yan ang uri ng worship na hinihingi ng diyos sa mga tao, at sabihin ko ito sayo ang doctrina ng isang religion at kostombre o tradisyon nito ay nakakagawang mailayo ang tao sa tunay na uri or acts of worship na hinihingi ng diyos na siyang tunay na pagsamba sa kanya, and the bible will guide you about this or you may seek those religion that acts on God’s way base in bible form of worship.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        JUDGING OTHERS — Mathew 7:1-5

        “Do not judge, so that you may not judge.  For with the judgement you make, you will be judged, and for the measure you give will be the measure you get.  Why do you see the speck on your neighour’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye.  Or how can you say to your neighbour, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’, while the log is in your own eye?  You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour;s eye.”

        JESUS THE WAY TO THE FATHER — John 14:6

        “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except thru me’.”

        John 14:10

        “Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        YOU ARE NOT BEING JUDGED AT ALL, AT MOST ONLY BEING WARNED! But unlike what most bloggers are saying, I will not say you are doing wrong based on your interpretation.  I just say that as for me, i stopped touching any image as sign of devotion, i stopped swipping cloth on man-made statues as sign of devotion, i stopped even looking at man-made images and statues when praying,,,  in fear of what the scriptures have forbidden…  I THEN LEAVE YOU TO YOUR FAITH, IN DOING SUCH…  DON;T BLAME OTHERS LATER THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WARNED!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Muslim ka di ba? Debate with your own level.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Haven’t i just said, i then leave you to your faith…  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        So, LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN…
        TAKBO0OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO
        O AYAN, PINABAUNAN KITA NG MARAMING LOBO TULAD NG ULO…PUNONG PUNO NG HANGIN.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Lalu ka ng mapag-iiwanan nyan… Mr. Ding,,,  sorry di ko alam full name, tinatago kc… baka kinahihiya…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tatanawin na lang kita…sa pananaw ko pa lang, kaya nang lagpasan ang lobo ng ulo mo.  ‘Wag mo nang ambisyunin na maisama sa pagsamburga mo ang pangalan kong pinakaiingat-ingatan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Pinakaiingatan or ikinahihiya?  Bat’ tinatago mo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        SABI SA ‘YONG SA TATAY MO IKAW MAKIPAG-USAP.

      • elpobre

         Ding, logically jesus statement doesn’t meant that his father are equal. Jesus always praising his father for all he done on earth, at sa binigay mong teks si Jesus mismo ang nag sabi na nag iisa sila sa gawain, hindi sila nag iisa sa flesh, kapangyarihan o pagkadiyos, dahil hindi yan ang sinabi ni Jesus, gets?
        Trinitarian has a pagan roots, research.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You interpret the word of God by your own consumption. Straight to the point. Don’t juggled the word of God by your own word.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Saan mo natutuhang flesh ang Father?

        May pa-research research ka pa…simple common sense ang itinatanong ko sa ‘yo, NI HINDI MO MASAGOT…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

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      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Pangalawang Tanong:  NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU JESUS CHRIST.  ANO ANG PINAPAPEL MO BETWEEN THE DEVOTEES AND GOD?

        Ang sagot mo:  “ang paniniwala mo ay si Jesus at ang kaniyang ama ay iisa, how come na naging isa sila in person samantalang sinabi ni Jesus na nandon ang kaniyang ama sa langit, isipin mo yan.  Ibig sabihin you don’t have the right na sabihin mo sa akin na walang makapunta sa ama thru jesus dahil sa paniniwala mong yan.”

        Relax tayo sandali…Kristiyano ka ba?  Bakit hindi mo alam na IIISA LANG ANG DIYOS AT TATLO SA PAGKAPERSONA…THE MYSTERY OF THE HOLY TRINITY — DIYOS AMA, DIYOS ANAK, AT DIYOS ESPIRITU SANTO.
        Sa pagkakaalam mo iba si Jesus Christ at ang Diyos Ama?  Wala kang binanggit tungkol sa Diyos Espiritu Santo.  Basahin mo ang susunod na halaw sa Bibliya, siya na ring sagot ko sa mga tanong mo, na siya ring pinagbatayan ko ng sinabi kong “no one comes to the Father except thru Jesus Christ”:

        JESUS THE WAY TO THE FATHER

        John 14: 6 “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except thru me.’”

        John 14:10  “Do you not believe in me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?  The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”

      • elpobre

        Did you literally conclude what Jesus say is his father is in one flesh, or three different flesh but one person, walang sinabi sa bible tungkol sa espiritu kung ito ba ay isang persona or isang diyos, oh how come? just read the whole context of your bible, kalaunan sinabi ni Jesus na he went to his father and because his father is greater than i. In Genesis, the god say’s that we make human with our image, sino ang nag uusap silang dalawa ng kanyang ama, hindi nakikipag usap ang diyos sa kanyang sarili, pag sinabi ba ng colosian na image si jesus ng diyos ibig bang sabihin nito iisa lang sila, no, si Jesus ba ay nilalang, oo, ang ama ba ay nilalang hindi. Ang tektong ginamit mo, hindi ibig sabihin ni Jesus na iisa sila ng diyos or equally god. Tingnan mo, sabi ni Jesus punta ka sa aking mga kapatid, dahil paparuon ako sa aking ama, inyong ama, aking diyos at inyong diyos, ibig sabihin nito si Jesus ay merong sariling diyos at yan ay ang kanyang ama, isipin mo yan. Hindi pwede ang isang bagay na merong tatlong personalidad, ano yan triple kara, kung yan ang paniniwala mo, hindi yan itinuturo ng bible, tingnan mo ang ating mga kababayan muslim, propeta lang ang pagkilala nila kay Jesus, and clearly the bible said that Jesus is a son of God, that is absolutely true.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang dama mong nalalaman, sana samahan mo ng tama o totoo.

        WALA PA RIN SA MGA NALALALAMAN MO ANG SAGOT SA DALAWANG TANONG NA SINAWSAWAN MO.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Unang Tanong:  ANONG BAHAGI SA BIBLIYA ANG NAGBIGAY SA IYO  NG KARAPATAN NA HATULAN ANG KAPUWA MO?

        Hindi mo sinagot ang tanong.  Nagpatuloy ka lang sa paghatol, sa pagsasabing:
        “mapagpaimbabaw na devotion sa diyos sa harap ng maraming tao”…
        “hindi sila nakaabot sa pamantayan ng diyos”….

        In other words, sinasabi mong mali ang kanilang ginagawa.  HINDI BA ISANG PAGHATOL ‘YAN.  At iyan ang itinatanong sa iyo…ANONG BAHAGI SA BIBLIYA ANG NAGBIGAY SA ‘YO NG GANYANG KARAPATANG HUMATOL?

        Ang deovtion ng mga devotees ay nasa kanilang mga puso, na kayang basahin ng Panginoon.  Ang rebulto ay isa lamang insrumento ng pagpapaalaala ng pagpapakasakit ni Jesus upang tubusin sa kasalanan ang sanglibutan.  Paulit-ulit naming sinasabi na hindi namin sinasamba ang kahoy o anumang imahen, SAPAGKA’T ALAM NAMING IISA LANG ANG DIYOS NA NAGHAHARI SA SANGLIBUTAN, HINDI NAKIKITA.

        At walang karapatan ang sinuman na aglahiin ang ginagawa ng mga devotees sa kanilang hangaring mapalapit sa Diyos.  Basahin mo ang kasunod:

        JUDGING OTHERS — Matthew 7:1-5

        “Do not judge so that you may not be judged.  For the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.  Why do you see the speck in your neighbour’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye.  Or how can you say to your neighbour, ‘let me take the speck out of your eye’, while the log is in your own eye?  You hypocrite, first take out the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour’s eye.”

      • elpobre

         Sinabi ko lang sayo na hindi ako nanghuhusga, pinapaliwanag ko lang sayo ang kamalian ng isang uri ng pag simba na salungat sa tinadadhana na ng diyos.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        I agree with Elpobre…  So Ding,  I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW US ANY PROOF THAT JESUS SAID HE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED…  Jesus was sent to warn (as messenger of God), his is obviously a work of a Prophet…  AND NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED.  Imagine a General sending his Captain to send warning, then the army ended honoring the Captain, instead of the General…  NOW YOU SEE THE FALLACY?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Magpaalam ka sa tatay mo, bago ka makisawsaw dito.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        And your answer to the Challenge?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        SINABI MO NA EKLAY LANG ANG ITUTUMBAS KO SA ‘YO.  DI BA KAYA NG IQ MO ‘YAN?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Nothing to do with IQ,  it is the truth… At yung unang tanong ko, WALA KANG PROOF NA NAGSABI SI JESUS NA SAMBAHIN… Dahil sa tutuo it is the opposite right?  Jesus said: ”Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:10)…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang ibinigay niya sa akin ay pagmamahal…at dahil diyan, maligaya akong magiging bulag.  Hindi ko kailangan ang hanging nasa ulo mo, na nagbibigay sa ‘yo ng lakas para lalong umangat at tumaas,, para lang sumamburga.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Cge na nga,  mapagmahal na kung mapagmahal…  ano full name mo?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        LOL to your friend RAUL,,, he is quoting worship of SATAN..  Luke 4:7 refers to worship of SATAN…  Luke 4:8 Jesus said to Satan… Worship the Lord your God and serve him only!!!  WHO YOU ARE TRYING TO FULL LEGS HERE???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        John 14:6
        Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth , and the life: no one comes to the father but through me.

        Titus 2:13
        Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

        Matthew 4:7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

        Luke 4:8New International Version (NIV)8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[a]”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        LOL,,, now you are worshiping SATAN?  Luke 4:7 refers to worship of SATAN…  Luke 4:8 Jesus said to Satan… Worship the Lord your God and serve him only!!!  WHO YOU ARE TRYING TO PULL LEGS HERE???

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        ANG PAGSASABI BA NG ‘MAPAGPAIMBABAW’ AY HINDI PANGHUHUSGA?

        BAKIT AYAW MONG SAGUTIN ANG TANONG, SAAN SA BIBLIYA MO HINUHUGOT ANG KARAPATAN MONG MANGHUSGA O HUMATOL NG KAPUWA MO?

        BAKIT PINIPIGILAN MO ANG MGA DEVOTEES NA MAPALAPIT SA DIYOS?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        I agree with Elpobre…  So Ding,  I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW US ANY PROOF THAT JESUS SAID HE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED…  Jesus was sent to warn (as messenger of God), his is obviously a work of a Prophet…  AND NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED.  Imagine a General sending his Captain to send warning, then the army ended honoring the Captain, instead of the General…  NOW YOU SEE THE FALLACY?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Bigla ka na namang sumulpot para sirain ang momentum…BAKIT AYAW MONG SAGUTIN ANG MGA TANONG KO?

        Bakit hindi sa tatay mo ipaliwanag ang mga pinagdududutdot mo dito?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Well, wala kang maisagot sa challenge at pe-eklay ka ngayon? Ano di ka makakita ng verses na naguutos si Christ na i-worship sya?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        WALA AKO SA LEVEL MO…MAGHANAP KA NG KA-LEVEL MO…PA-EKLAY EKLAY LANG LANG SA TULAD MO ANG KAYA KO.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        That is because, WALA KANG PROOF NA NAGSABI SI JESUS NA SAMBAHIN SYA… Dahil sa tutuo it is the opposite right?  Jesus said: ”Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:10)…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Magkaiba tayo ng dictionary…ang sa akin factual.  Kaya useless na makipag-argumento sa iyo.  Kung mautak ka, sa palagay mo sa sarili mo, ako ay mapagmahal.

        Gusto ko sanang mahalin ka, kung hindi ko lang napunang sa sobrang hangin sa ulo mo, lumolobo na rin pati ang dalawang sungay mo.  Kusa ring sasambulat ‘yan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Naku po, napunta na sa pagmamahalan yung usapan…  Iba na yan ha…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Maaaring strange sa iyo ang pagmamahal, pero sa aming mga Catholic Christians mahal pa rin namin ang umaaway sa amin…’yun lang walang sungay.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        I see, kaya pala pati imahen pinaghahalikan nyo sa pagmamahal, kahit binabawal sa kasulatan…

  • Michael Puno

    John 1:14New International Version (NIV)
    14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

      This seems to be out of line… we’re discussing about idolatry here…

      Nonetheless, since you mentioned it, in my opinion and conclusion, Jesus is really is a son of God, as we all are. It is therefore a derogation from the glory of God, in fact a disrespect and blasphemy, to say that God begets son, like a man or animal, if that is what most catholics have come to believe (in justifying the trinity). If words have any meaning, it would mean (by saying God begets a son, in defence of trinity), it is an attribution to God of a material nature, and of the lower animal function. In spiritual sense, we are all children of God. To declare one of His Messenger (Prophet) as His begotten son, and share Lordship thereafter, is disrespect to the One God who sent him to warn us…. BY THE WAY, I CAME TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS A GOOD PROPHET, BUT HE HIMSELF NEVER SAID THAT HE IS TO BE WORSHIP… I CHALLENGE ANY OF YOU HERE TO SHOW ME ANY PROOF THAT JESUS SAID HE IS TO BE WORSHIP…

      Please guard yourself and soul from falsehood and ASSOCIATE NONE to the One and only One God… for He is a jealous God: “Thou shalt have no other gods before My Presence.” (Exodus 20:3),,, “I the LORD thy God am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:5)…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Nag-mi-mission work ka ba dito?  Sa pananampalayayang kinabibilangan mo mayro’n bang freedom of worship?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        and what’s the relevance of that to worship of idols?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        SINASAMANTALA MO ANG FREEDOM NA IBINIBIGAY SA ‘YO SA LUPAING MAY KALAYAAN…

        YOU’ve PRE-JUDGED OURS AS WORSHIP OF IDOLS?
        SO BE IT IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PREJUDGE OTHERS…WE JUST PREFER IT RATHER THAN TO BE IDIOTS IN BRAGGING CEREBRAL EMPTINESS.

        KAYA, MAGPAALAM KA MUNA SA TATAY MO.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Cge na nga, sagutin ko na yung tanung mo, baka magsumbing ka sa tatay mo…  OO alam ni Tatay, ni Nanay, ni Kuya, ni Ate at ni Bunso yun conversion ko sa Islam…  Tuwa nga sila at naka-pasyal pa nung kasal sa Malaysia… O ayan, sinagut na kita.  Ikaw naman, bakit tinatago mo apelyido mo?
        At yung unang tanong ko, WALA KANG PROOF NA NAGSABI SI JESUS NA SAMBAHIN SYA ANO? Dahil sa tutuo it is the opposite right?  Jesus said: ”Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:10)…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sinagot ko na ‘yan ilang ulit…akala ko mautak ka, dispalinghado din pala ang utak mo…isinama mo pa ang buong pamilya mo.  Magtawag ka pa kung kailangan mo pa ang magpapalipad sa ‘yo.  Umangat ka na nang husto mula sa lupa dahil sa hangin mo sa ulo.  Pag naubos ‘yan, di mo alam kung saan ka pupulutin ninuman sa mga kamaganak mo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Ow, asan sagot mo?  Bakit tinatago mo apelyido mo? 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Iniingatan ko lang, dahil mahal ko ito.  At alam kong kahit dinagdagan mo ang pangalan mo, alam mo rin kung bakit dapat pinakaiingatan ang pangalan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Iniingatan or ikinahihiya? Bat mo tinatago?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        John 14:6
        Jesus said to him, I am the way, and

        Titus 2:13
        Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

        Matthew 4:7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

        Luke 4:8New International Version (NIV)8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[a]”

  • Michael Puno

    nagbigay pahintulot ang DIYOS na gumawa ng rebulto basaaa…. 
    Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31
    18 And you shall MAKE two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 
    19 Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall MAKE the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat.
    20 And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat. 
    21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you. 
    22 And there I will meet with you, and I will speak with you from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are on the ark of the Testimony, about everything which I will give you in commandment to the children of Israel.
    26 “Moreover you shall MAKE the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine woven linen and blue, purple, and scarlet thread; with artistic designs of cherubim you shall weave them.
    31 “You shall MAKE a veil woven of blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen. It shall be woven with an artistic design of cherubim.
    8 Then all the gifted artisans among them who worked on the tabernacle made ten curtains woven of fine linen, and of blue, purple, and scarlet thread; with artistic designs of cherubim they made them.
    35 And he made a veil of blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen; it was worked with an artistic design of cherubim.
    7 He made two cherubim of beaten gold; he made them of one piece at the two ends of the mercy seat: 8 one cherub at one end on this side, and the other cherub at the other end on that side. He made the cherubim at the two ends of one piece with the mercy seat. 9 The cherubim spread out their wings above, and covered the mercy seat with their wings. They faced one another; the faces of the cherubim were toward the mercy seat.
    ayan po utos na ng diyos yan ha, baka magmamarunong ka pa sa DIYOS masama yun. 

    • elpobre

       Utos ng diyos yan, alanganin namang hindi sundin ng mga Israelites, pero itong gaya nito na hindi naman sinabi ng diyos na gawin, kailangan ba nating gawin?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Did God command you to buy a car? buy computer? Stick to the word of God. , if you didn’t want it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang mga computer programs ay magagaling din…pero, hindi kayang mag-function mag-isa…kailangan pang kutusan para kumilos.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        If you want to do God’s word.
        Leviticus 24:20

        Fracture for fracture, eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, as he injured the other, so he is to be injured.

        This is the word of God so do it!

      • jin2012

        Read Luke 4.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Read Matthew 23:15, Luke 11:52

      • boypalabobo

        Good you know that.
        Now, tell us where we made a mistake in our posts.

      • jin2012

        So tell me which scripture I posted was wrong, a lie, and far from truth?

        Luke 10
        16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

        Luke 9
        49“Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” 50“Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        I never said you’re wrong. But you.

      • jin2012

        So you’re saying I am right?  And if you say, you “never said I am right”  

        Then what are you saying?  - You are playing with words.

    • elpobre

       I compare mo ang tanging utos ng diyos at ang hindi, di ba iba-iba ang mukha?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Nag-iiba pag pasok ng mukha mo.

    • jin2012

      Correct.  But God did not order anyone to make an image of Christ, Mary, Saint XYZ.

      Isaiah 42:8
      “I am the LORD [YaHWeH]; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hindi ‘yan lang ang nakasulat sa Bibliya, di ba?

      • jin2012

        Correct – and you will not find any scripture in the Bible that goes against it or God changing his mind about what he said in Isaiah 42:8.

        If you find one, please show it to me.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Th value of technicalities depend on its actual application, and therefore, depending on each and every particular situation.

          We are human beings, with mind and heart.

        MInd gives you knowledge, heart gives love.  In case of conflict between the two, your conscience gets into the picture. 

        Diyan ka mamimili:  mapagmahal o mautak?  Then, you will follow the dictates of your conscience>

        Ang potentialities ng brain ay limitless…HABANG MAY NATUTUTUHAN KA, LALONG LUMALAKI ANG PROBLEMA MO. 

        Higit na mapalad ang mga bata na wala pang sapat na nalalaman:  ‘LET THE CHILDREN COME TO ME, DO NOT STOP THEM; FOR IT IS TO SUCH AS THESE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD BELONGS.  TRULY I TELL YOU, WHOEVER DOES NOT RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD  AS A LITTLE CHILD WILL NEVER ENTER IT.” Mark 10:14-15.

        Hindi mo na kinakailangang maging matalino o nangingibaw sa anumang argumento to deserve the Kingdom of God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Leviticus 24:20
        Fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so has to be injured.

        Can you do that? It is the word of God.

      • jin2012

        Do you understand what you posted?  Because if you can’t understand Exodus 20 – the commandments, I doubt you will understand Leviticus 24.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        You’re another Judgemental human.If I could not understand, I couldn’t posted. I you doubt, It is  your word not mine. I asked your religion, then you declined. Exodus 20 is irrelevant to my belief.

      • jin2012

        Exodus 20 is irrelevant??? yet you quote Leviticus 24???

        This is what Christ said about the Law, which you just said is “irrelevant” to your beliefs.

        Matthew 5 (Jesus speaks)
        17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        I never worship any Graven image how could it relevant?

        The word are Godly but their heart critical to others by saying verses to make it relevant against other’s Godly human practices.
        Matthew 7:3-5
        “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust of brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in you own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you’ll see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

      • jin2012

        But you venerate it right? 

        did you know that bowing and “serving” and venerating is a form of worship?  and if you do all that before a “graven image” it is called idolatry?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        To give an Honor, venerating is not worship. Don’t put words on other’s mouth. Where did you got that meaning? So tell me your religions. So I’ll tell your own specks. You know me, but I don’t  know you. As satan know Jesus.

      • jin2012

        My reply to this is at the very top. My religion = Christian.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Ano po ba relihiyon mo?

      • jin2012

        Why do you want to know?  I am just a servant delivering God’s word found in your bible.  The MESSAGE is what is RElevant, these are not my words.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        The only thing worse than a Liar is a Liar that also hypocrite.

        2 Corinthians 11:14
        And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself  as an Angel of the Light.

      • jin2012

        Which scripture did I post, that you call me Satan?  These scriptures I post are from God, not from Satan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        And, where from Raul’s post did you see that he called you Satan?

        Hindi kaya dulas ng panulat mo ang nagdi-disclose ng totoo?

      • jin2012

        If you bothered to read, you can see he posted 2 Cor 11:14

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        I never called you Satan. You are.

      • jin2012

        Now you are just playing with words, you know you quoted 2 Cor 11:14.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

    Michael,  and where on those verses did God told the believers to PUT THESE MAN-MADE IMAGES IN THE PEDESTAL and LAY DEVOTION to them? Nor to touch them in hope of touching divinity?  Yun ba yung utos ng Diyos na sinasabi mung nalabag?  Na dahil hindi GUMAWA NG IMAHEN at sumasamba sa Gintong imahen eh, nalabag namin yung banal na kasulatan?  what a craft…  It is a pity that you cannot even comprehend the meaning of your scriptures, not to say even depend it from people attacking it…  
    I tried hard not to be impolite when arguing about belief, but like Damaso, you still blindly cling to the “customary” faith and from what Vatican tells you to do, even after reading the truth and what is forbidden by the scriptures (idolatry)… If you can justify the use of images in show of devotion and connection to the Unseen,  then you really need to be left alone, goodluck!  Don’t blame others later and say noone warnedyou of what the scriptures forbade…  If you truly believe in the scriptures, isn’t logical that you avoid the forbidden?  Divinity lies on how you intensely communicate to the Almighty – directly, without intercession and proxy…  why can;t you pray and connect directly to the Unseen?  Are you too dumb or too weak to need an image to express yourself to God?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Matalino ka kaya marami kang problema…hayaan mo na lang ang iba…kung anu-ano ang inihalo mo sa pangalan mo…gusto ba ‘yan ng tatay mo?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Baket Ding?  You cannot answer my earlier challenge on showing proof and you are now going by names? That is all you can say?  I would have respected you if you don;t hide via nickname…  Baket ikaw ikinahihiya mo ang apelyido ng Tatay mo at di mo ma-ilatag?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        YOUR NAME OPENLY DISCLOSE YOUR TYPE OF PERSON…I DO NOT LIKE ARGUMENTS…NO ONE WINS…

        HINDI MO PA SINASAGOT ANG TANONG KO…IYAN AY KUNG MAY KUNSIYENSIYA KUNG BAKIT NAGKAROON NG MOHD AFIQ SA GITNA NG PANGALAN MO…ALAM BA ‘YAN NG TATAY MO?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Cge na nga, sagutin ko na yung tanung mo, baka magsumbong ka sa tatay mo…  OO alam ni Tatay, ni Nanay, ni Kuya, ni Ate at ni Bunso yung added Islam name…  Tuwa nga sila at naka-pasyal pa nung kasal sa Malaysia… O ayan, sinagut na kita.  Ikaw naman, bakit tinatago mo apelyido mo?
        At yung unang tanong ko, WALA KANG PROOF NA NAGSABI SI JESUS NA SAMBAHIN SYA ANO? Dahil sa tutuo it is the opposite right?  Jesus said: ”Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:10)…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sarili ko dala ko…mahal ko Tatay ko, pero di ko siya kailangang kung isang nakaangat sa lupang tulad mo ang kausap ko, dahil pag naubos ang hangin sa ulo mo, kusa kang magku-collapse.

        Kaya, I keep the name given to me by my Father.  I need not change or adjust it to satisfy my  pride.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        And that full name is?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        the full name that my father gave me. I remains the same, unchanged, undaunted, undisdained till the end of time, like my faith in the Catholic Christian Faith.

        Amen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        and what is that full name?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dante.cepriano Dante Cepriano

    Jesus is God and the Old Testment the making of worshiping of nay likeness of GodExdous 20.4 Says you shall not make yourself an idol of any likeness of what is in Heaven above, on the Earth beneath, or in the Water under the Earth. The Lord Jesus stresses in John 4 when He said, But the hour is coming, and now is, When the true worshipers shall worship The Father is Spirit in Truth.” note” that Jesus said “must worship Him in spirit and in Truth. A statue can never truly represent the truth about Christ, and of the necessity must misrepresent what the scriptures teaches about Him though He became .Man of very Men,True humanity He was at  the sameti, God of very God,undiminished deity.Having statue of Jesus or God result into two things, But of which are wrong.They easily slip into some form of idol worship and they must misrepresent the truth. There is no way anything made by man could ever begin to properly represent the full essence of God. As such, it nwould dishonor His infinityas person and essence.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

      Dante, IF JESUS IS GOD, HE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED RIGHT?  I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW US ANY PROOF THAT JESUS SAID HE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED… You might not have known it, but you became a follower of the Council of Priest in Nicea in 325AD…  Their (vatican priest) agenda then was to determine if the Father and the Son are (1) One in Purpose or (2) are One in Being…  The rest is history.
       
      In my opinion, it must be the first because:

      (1) If divinity is derived for having been born miraculously like Crist, then both John the Baptist and Isaac would have to be declared God as well, for they too were born from barren mothers, when the Father said “Be!” and they became…  God never need to be begotten, for He is the Creator.  Why would a Creator need to Creat another Him? Isn’t to obvious that your perceived Trinity has always been in hierarchy (with rank) and NOT One. The Father had always been there even before the beginning, the Sons have been sent many times to warned us (Abraham, Moses, Jesus, etc)… And the Holy Ghost has always been the Father’s way of conveying his holy signs. Problem is, Vatican said they are all EQUAL… and you believed that.

      (2) Jesus himself predicted the coming of another one after him, and higher than him.  Those are the words of Prophets, not God.

      (3) Jesus prayed, fasted, was flesh and blood… God don;t need all of that, but Prophets do. 

      (4) If Jesus was God and he is one with the Father, did both of then died both on the Cross?  Why would the Most Powerful Creator, need to offer Himself for death in the cross, to his sinful believers, just to save them?  Isn;t too obvious that Jesus, like all the other Prophets before and after him, suffered the same rejection and death from the very people they warned?  

      From above, you can easily see the fallacy, and the worst is, this fallacy was decided by a Council of Priest in Nicea in 325AD…  at a time when knowledge was limited to very priviledge few…  WE HAD BECAME A COUNCIL OF KNOWLEDGE THESE DAYS, MY FRIEND…  SO VATICAN’S WORD THEN MAY NOT BE TRUE NOW, BASED ON OVERWHELMING VOLUME OF SCRIPTURES CONFIRMING IT (THE PROPHETHOOD OF JESUS).

      Nonetheless,  SUFFICE FOR YOU TO SHOW PROOF THAT JESUS ASKED TO BE WORSHIPPED… IF YOU CAN, FROM THE SCRIPTURES…  I CAN BET THAT YOU WOULD FIND THE OPPOSITE.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2JVSEXTMANAEZGLOSZGWJYW67Q Jess

        NOT BY THE LETTERS THAT KILLETH, BUT BY THE SPIRIT THAT GIVETH LIFE. 

        Isn’t this what religion supposed to be? The more you are cerebral with your faith, the more you will not understand it.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Mukhang ang ganda ng meaning ng sinabi mong ‘yan…tanggap ‘yan ng mga nakakaintindi…pero, duda akong maiintindihan ‘yan ng mga bilib sa kanilang talino.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        KAYA BA MAY MOHD AFIQ SA PANGALAN MO?  ALAM BA NG TATAY MO ANG MGA PINAGSASASABI MO NGAYON?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        Baket Ding?  You cannot answer my earlier challenge on showing proof and you are now going by names? That is all you can say?  I would have respected you if you don;t hide via nickname…  Baket ikaw ikinahihiya mo ang apelyido ng Tatay mo at di mo ma-ilatag?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I am not challenging you to a debate nor to any argument…no one wins any argument…KUNG GUSTO MONG IPAGMAYABANG ANG MGA NALALAMAN MO, HUMANAP KA NG TULAD MONG MAYABANG DIN…MAGPATAASAN KAYO…PERO, MUKHANG NASA ITAAS KA NA, SA PALAGAY MO, KAYA IISA LANG MAGIGING KAHIHINATNAN MO — PAGBAGSAK, KAYA INGAT, KUNG MAGAGAWA MO, GAWIN MONG DAHAN-DAHAN, PARA HINDI KA SUMAMBULAT !!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        John 14:6
        Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth , and the life: no one comes to the father but through me.

        Titus 2:13
        Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

        Matthew 4:7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

        Luke 4:8New International Version (NIV)8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[a]”

    • jin2012

      Jesus said these:

      John 20
      17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

      Luke 4
      Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”

      Jesus was referring to this scripture:

      Deuteronomy 6
      Fear the LORD [YaHWeH] your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      MAYRO’N BA’NG NAKAPAGSABI SA IYO’NG MAY MALI SA MGA SINASABI MONG ‘YAN?  KUNG MAYRO’N ‘YON ANG HABULIN MO…

      KUNG GUSTO MO NAMANG IPAGMAYABANG LANG ANG MGA NALALAMAN MO, MAS MARARAMI ANG GAGALANG AT KIKILALA SA IYO KUNG GAGAMITIN MO ANG MGA NALALAMAN MO UNANG UNA SA PAGBIBIGAY GALANG SA IBA.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      If my Idol is Jesus Christ what’s wrong with it? 
      Colossians 3:17
      And whatever you do,in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus,giving thanks to God the father trough him.

      • jin2012

        Luke 4
        5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.”8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’[c]”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        1 John 4:1 

        Dear fiends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

      • jin2012

        Which scripture did I post was wrong, so that you call me a false prophet?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        It is the scripture says: Not me.

      • jin2012

        Then what is Exodus 20, telling you?

  • KianFF

    Kung sa tingin mo may mali sa ginagawang ito, isa-isahin mo ang milyong kataong ito at sabihing mali ang debosyon nila, para naman may patunguhan yang ipinaglalaban mo.

  • KianFF

    Kung sa tingin mo may mali sa ginagawang ito, isa-isahin mo ang milyong kataong ito at sabihing mali ang debosyon nila, para naman may patunguhan yang ipinaglalaban mo. O kaya gumawa ka ng sariling pagtitipun-tipon ng tao at iexplain mo sa kanila na may mali sa debosyon nila. Kumilos ka! Para naman may patunguhan itong ipinaglalaban mo dahil dito ang makakabasa lang din ng mga komento mo ay may sariling pananaw at pinanghahawakan nila ito ng mabut at naniniwalang nasa tama sila. Hindi ito venue para magconvert ka, dapat kung gusto mong may maconvert, personal mong puntahan tulad ng ginawa ni Kristo at ng mga apostoles.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dante.cepriano Dante Cepriano

    Please bear in mind, We are  only sharing or thought and opinion,  I hope I did not offend any of you that responded. Yes, and Jesus is uniquely GOD. As scripture puts it,”There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be save. One cannot truly worships God and yet deny that Jesus is God. Those who claim to worship”GOD”by deny that Jesue is uniquily God, Are only worshiping “a God of their own imagination.Many people imagine that they can somehow worship God ,yet ignore the bible,claims it is not Gods word.deny that Jesus is God. Appearing once on earth as a human being. This is like idolatry making a God to sent one’s own desires. God is who He is,and He reveal Himself to us and is in the Bible. This is where a lot of confusion arises. Other religions, like Islam wants to accord some honor to Jesus but do no admit that Jesus is God Himself in human form.Jews may possibly allow that Jesus was a prophet, but obviously deny that He is their expected Messiah. Buddists sees God as essentually impersonal. Many religion will allow Jesus in the pantheon. The trouble with this is Jesus Himself claim to be the unigue Son of God. This was validated by His ressurection from the dead. In the End, This is the offense of Christianity it claim to be the only true religion, just as Jesus claimed to be one and only Messiah, God will not share His glory with another nor can all be religions be true as the uniterian and univerisians claims. Please share this verse in John 1 “In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same  was in the beginning with God All thins were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made

    • jin2012

      John 20 (Jesus speaks)
      16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” [Magdalene]She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”


      Jesus said, The Father, is God

  • jin2012

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  • jin2012

    RAUL:

    The word “veneration” etymology
    Originated 15th century, from the latin word venerationem, venerari, which means WORSHIP.

    The word “catholic” etymology
    Originated 14th century, from the latin word catholicus, which means universal. But I am certain you already know that.

    Clearly, veneration means worship. VENERATION (such as bowing before statues, serving them) = venerationem, venerari, veneratus, adorabis, neque coles = WORSHIP

    NOW, let’s look at the LATIN VULGATE BIBLE – the official bible of the Catholic Church for over 1000 years (400AD – 1530AD)

    Here is an example

    Exodus 20:5 (Latin Vulgate Bible of the Catholic Church)
    NON ADORABIS ea NEQUE COLES ego sum Dominus Deus tuus fortis zelotes visitans iniquitatem patrum in filiis in tertiam et quartam generationem eorum qui oderunt me

    Exodus 20:5 (Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC EDITION)
    5 You shall not BOW DOWN to them [or serve] OR WORSHIP them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 

    Google Translate Latin to English
    shall NOT BOW DOWN to them, nor SERVE them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

    Here is another example:
    1 Chronicles 29:18 (1 Paralipomenon)
    Domine Deus Abraham et Isaac et Israhel patrum nostrorum custodi in aeternum hanc voluntatem cordis eorum et semper in VENERATIONEM tui mens ista permaneat
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Google Translate Latin to English
    O Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this for ever in the will of their heart and let this mind remain always for the WORSHIP of your
                                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Walang kumokontra sa lahat ng sinasabi mo.  Ok?

      Ang hindi maganda ay ang PAKIKIALAM sa mga taong nagsasakripisyo sa kanilang paghahangad na mapalapit sa Diyos’

      1)  ANO’NG BAHAGI SA BIBLIYA ANG NAGBIGAY NG KARAPATAN PARA HUMATOL SA KAPUWA?

      2)  NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU JESUS CHRIST. 

      BAKIT MAY MGA PUMAPAPEL SA PAGLAPIT NG MGA DEVOTEES TO GOD, KUNG SI JESUS MISMO ANG NAGSABING IT IS ONLY THRU HIM?

      • jin2012

        “Walang kumokontra sa….”.
        You say one thing, but really you mean another.

        1.  I gave you one:  2 Timothy 3:16-17. READ IT. It allows a servant to CORRECT others with scripture. You think we are judging you, we are not, we are correcting your practices that are not of God. If we are wrong, then point it out.

        2.  That’s correct.  Then why do you Catholics go through saints and Mary?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Wikipedia: Veneration ( Latin Veneratio) or Veneration of Saints, is a special act of honoring a saint. Pls. Read. 

      You put the meaning for your own consumption and to justify your heavy heart. As false prophets, and Satan always do. Jim Jones “the Evangelist” called himself Christian and always quote Exudos 20:4 to his member and newly recruits most of them are from different Christian denomination.. and later on discard the word of the Bible, and make himself as God.

      • jin2012

        “special ACT of honoring” = serving them = bowing before them = WORSHIP.  

        Take the time to read the post and your bible in full context.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Define the word appropriately, it seems just. No one Judge you ignorant.

      • jin2012

        I do not know who Jim Jones is, neither will I judge him.  …However, I think you are judging him.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      Matthew 7:1-2
      “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.  For with the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.”

      • jin2012

        2 Timothy 3:16-17. READ IT. It allows a servant to CORRECT others with scripture. You think we are judging you, we are not, we are correcting your practices that are not of God. If we are wrong, or out of context, then point it out.

        I leave you with this warning: Galatians 5:19-21

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        “Then if anyone says to you,
        ‘Look, here is the Christ (Messiah)!’ or ‘There!’
        do not believe it.
        For false christs and false Prophets will arise
        and show great signs and wonders (miracles)
        so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
        See, I have told you beforehand.” (Meaning – “Listen, this is a prophecy!)
        “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’
        do not go out;
        or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’
        do not believe it.
        For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west,
        so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
        (Matthew 24:23-27)

      • jin2012

        So why do you call me a false prophet?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Jude 1:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”
        These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, and flatter people in order to take advantage of them

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    Hindi ko kailangan ang Tatay ko sa pakikipag-usap sa isang tulad mo.  Ang pangalang ibinigay niiya sa akin ay hindi ko dinagdagan o binawasan.
    Ngayon, dahil sa mga idinagdag mong kaalaman sa utak mo, nabawasan ang laman ng puso mo.
    Ipagpapalit mo ba ang tatay mo kay either Idi Amin Dad o Osama Bin Laden?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

      Ow, ayan ka na naman, wala kang maisagot sa issue, kung ano anong sinasabi…  Cge na nga,,,  pagpapapahingahin na kita…  baka umiyak ka pa…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sige takbo, bilisan mo, tingnan mo kung matulungan ka ng pride mo sa tinatakasan mo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495178259 Leopoldo Mohd Afiq Capulong

        bilib ako sa patutsada mo…  walang sagot sa issue, nag-aasal bata na lang…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Our Bible says:

        “whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child will never enter it.”  Mark 10:15

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    JESUS BLESSES LITTLE CHILDREN

    Mark 10: 14-15
    “Let the little children come to me;  do not stop them;  for it is to such as these that the Kingdom of God belongs.  Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God as a little child will never enter it.”

    YOU DON’T NEED TO BE BRAINY…YOU DON’T NEED TO BE GOOD AT ARGUMENTS…YOU DON’T NEED TO MASTER THE BOOK…TO MERIT OR DESERVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

    The capacity of a brain to acquire additional knowledge is limitless.  But next to knowledge is power, then, pride, then self-destruction.  Once you reached the pinnacle of power and pride, your movement is only up, up, and away, PARANG LOBONG NAPUNO NG HANGIN, na ang kahahantungan lamang ay pagsambulat sa kaitaasan at pagkakagutay-gutay ng power and pride.

    INNOCENCE OF A CHILD, OR ANY ONE, MERITS THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

    • jin2012

      Read John 17:3 then Matthew 5

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I suggest when you mention verses from the Bible, quote it, and write brief explanation on how you understand and put it into action.

        John 17:3 deals with Jesus prayers for His disciples; while Matthew 5, has the Beatitudes.  Please advise as to how these verses relate to my post.

      • jin2012

        Read it, and tell me how you understood them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    JESUS THE WAY TO THE FATHER

    John 14: 6
    “I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the Father, except through me.”

    THE DEVOTEES, AWARE OF THE PHYSICAL RISKS AND HARMS, PERSIST ON THEIR DEVOTIONS, YEAR AFTER YEAR, IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS, THE BLACK NAZARENE REPRESENTS THE SACRIFICES OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE SALVATION OF MANKIND. ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT’S IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS. EACH TIME THE DEVOTEES COMPLETE THE PROCESS, THEY ATTAIN THE FEELING OF SELF FULFILLMENT AND ACHIEVEMENT, A STEP CLOSER TO GOD.

    ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS THE GO-BETWEEN THE DEVOTEES AND GOD THE FATHER.

    …NO ONE ELSE SHOULD IMPEDE THE DEVOTEES’ DESIRE TO GET CLOSER TO GOD.
    …NO ONE ELSE… EVEN THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY HAVE MASTERED THE BIBLE.

    • jin2012

      John 14:6 – correct, then why do catholics go through Mary, the Saints?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        TO REACH JESUS CHRIST…from now on, pls be guided accordingly.

        And, please continue searching, why did God use the Virgin Mary, a human being, to bring Jesus Christ to us?

      • jin2012

        You posted clearly, JESUS said: ”I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the Father, EXCEPT THROUGH ME”

        Is there a scripture that says, “No one goes to Jesus Christ except through Mary or the Saints”?  

        Jesus already said, to go through HIM and no one else.  You posted it yourself.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions 
        (Proverbs 18:2).

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        1 Corinthians 14:33

        For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

      • jin2012

        That scripture does not answer my question of why you have to go through Mary or the Saints to reach Christ or God.  Please show me a better one.

        Since you quoted from 1 Corinthians, let me show you this:

        1 Corinthians 6
        9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral,[b] nor IDOLATERS, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[c][d] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions 
        (Proverbs 18:2).

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

      • jin2012

        That scripture does not answer my question of why you have to go through Mary or the Saints to reach Christ or God.  Please show me a better one.

        Since you quoted from Luke, let me show you this:

        Luke 11 (Jesus speaks)
        11 One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”2 He said to them, “When you pray, say:“‘Father,[a] hallowed be your name,your kingdom come.[b]

        That’s how to pray – the way Jesus taught us.
        Is there another way that he taught us?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions 
        (Proverbs 18:2).

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        Revelation 8:3-4

        And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.

      • jin2012

        That scripture does not answer my question of why you have to go through Mary or the Saints to reach Christ or God.  Please show me a better one.

        Since you quoted from Revelations, let me show you this:

        Revelation 22
        8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        That scripture does not answer my question of why you have to go through Mary or the Saints to reach Christ or God.  Please show me a better one.
        How many times should I told you, I never worship them. But you keep putting the word to suit to your arguments. You called yourself Christian but kept interrogating Christian to keep them against your understanding.
         Is veneration and Honor of Mary and other Saints is against the human law and God’s Law?

        Romans 13:1-7

        Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    JUDGING OTHERS

    Matthew 7:1-2
    “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged.  For with the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.”

    WHATEVER DESCRIPTION YOU GIVE THE DEVOTEES’ PRACTICE OF FAITH IS ALREADY A JUDGMENT IN ITSELF.  HENCE, BY BEING JUDGMENTAL, YOU NEED TO JUSTIFY IT, BY CITING THE PART OF THE BIBLE YOU GET THE AUTHORITY TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE.

    YOU ARE THE ONES SAYING THAT CATHOLICS WORSHIP THE IDOLS, EVEN AS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING WE DON’T.  WE KNOW THAT GOD IS SPIRIT.  THE CATHOLIC STATUES AND IMAGES THAT YOU SEE REPRESENT ONLY THE FIGURES IN OUR FAITH, E.G., THE IMAGE OF JESUS CHRIST IS HIS IMAGE IN HIS HUMAN FORM.  WE DO NOT WORSHIP THE IMAGES,, BUT RATHER WHAT THE IMAGE REPRESENTS.

    WITH YOUR PERSISTENCE TO CHARGE US WITH ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE CLEAR TO YOU, WE LEAVE IT TO YOU NOW HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR SELFISH CAMPAIGN TO MALIGN OTHER BELIEVERS OF THE SAME GOD THAT YOU WORSHIP.

    • jin2012

      2 Timothy 3:16-17. READ IT. It allows a servant to CORRECT others with scripture. You think we are judging you, we are not, we are correcting your practices that are not of God. If we are wrong, then point it out.

      I leave you with this warning: Galatians 5:19-21

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        YOU WILL ONLY RESORT TO CORRECTING SOMETHING AFTER YOU BELIEVED OR JUDGED THAT SOMETHING TO BE WRONG…THAT’S JUDGMENTAL. YOU DON’T NEED ANY BOOK TO KNOW THAT.

      • jin2012

        Well, then you tell me what 2 Timothy 3:16-17 means. 
        Perhaps my understanding of it is incorrect?   How do you understand it?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        John 9:35 

        Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?

        Romans 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

        Therefore, you have no defense, Oh man,who judges his neighbor, for that in which you judge your neighbor, of that you are guilty yourself, for you also who are judging are engaged in those thing

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        No person rightfully takes upon himself the role of a teacher or any other ministry of God without God’s power and authority. In a world full of teachers, preachers, elders, deacons, speakers, writers, evangelists, pastors, prophets, and apostles, rare are the true ministers representing the Lord Jesus Christ. Many are the false, and very few the true, even as in Noah’s day.

        False teachers are those who presume to teach in their own authority (as did the scribes), often in the Name of the Lord, when He has not sent them. Though they have knowledge of Biblical truths, they are, at best, in delusion, presuming to turn others to the Kingdom of God when, in fact, they are building the corrupt kingdoms of men. At worst, they are deliberate charlatans, seeking to deceive, steal, kill, and destroy, using Biblical truths to do so.

        Though false teachers lead astray, the Biblical truths they teach can lead to Christ those whom God has called and is choosing. The truth quickens those being given the gift of faith. However, faith manifest in the one who receives the truth does not certify as God’s representative the one who speaks some truth. The child of faith who walks in obedience to Christ will soon enough part ways with those who mix truth with error.

      • jin2012

        See, you are calling me a false teacher, yet everything I have shown you is from scripture.

        Do you think I need to be a priest to be a “true” teacher?

        Since you didn’t answer me before, why don’t you tell me what Exodus 20 means. You be the teacher, I will listen.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        2 Corinthians 12:7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    We, human beings, have been created each one with brain heart, and conscience.

    With brain, we acquire knowledge. We normally acquire it FROM BOOKS, from experience, the more knowledge we learn, the wealthier we become, more powerful, more braggart and prideful. Yet, reaching its pinnacle, enslaves us to self-humiliation and destruction. The more brainy we become, the more problems we confront. The more power we get, the more we get insecured.

    With heart we learn to love, to give way, sacrifice for others. We realize it by giving respect, service and care for others. WE DO NOT NEED BOOKS. Even if you are not wealthy, nor brainy, nor powerful, your caring for others will earn love and care for yourself, the ultimate ending is happiness for you and the people around you. The more love we give, the more we get. And, that makes us more secured, and leaves no fear in our hearts.

    The brain makes us MAUTAK, while the heart makes us MAPAGMAHAL…in instances where these 2 collide, our CONSCIENCE gets in.  IF WE FOLLOW THE DICTATES OF OUR CONSCIENCE, WE GET PEACE OF MIND TO OUR HEART’S CONTENTMENT. IF NOT, OUR CONSCIENCE WILL HAUNT US THROUGHOUT OUR LIFE, WE CAN NEVER ESCAPE IT, EVEN WHEN WE ARE SLEEPING, AWAKE, AND IN EVERYTHING WE DO.

    AND…ABOVE ALL, ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT’S IN OUR MIND…IN OUR HEART…AND, IN OUR CONSCIENCE.

    • jin2012

      Read John 17:3  and Matthew 5.  So you will realize WE DO NEED BOOKS.  Even Christ quoted from 24 books of the Old Testament.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        We need hearts more than the books.  Your wife will prefer you to love her with your heart, not with your books.

        You analyze again my post…where heart and love were mentioned,, that was where I said WE DO NOT NEED BOOKS.

      • jin2012

        I don’t know where you got the idea “we need hearts more than books”…is there a biblical teaching somewhere that says that?

        However, this one is the teaching from Christ:

        Revelation 1
         …….. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is WRITTEN in it, because the time is near……

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        “Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life” 
        Proverbs 4:23,

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    Raul, Ding

    Let me just make this simple.

    Your “boss at work/parent/Father” gave an order, “DO TASK A” and “DON’T DO TASK B”, what will you do?

    My answer, since you might ask:  A child would follow the order by doing Task A and not doing Task B. – that’s what it means “to be a Child”.

    Now God gave his commands in Exodus 20, Isaiah 42:8, Christ upheld (didn’t change) the Law in Matthew 5.  

    1. So please tell me what those scriptures mean to you.

    2.  Did God change his mind somewhere about Exodus 20, Isaiah 42:8 that I don’t know about?  If yes, then show me where in the scriptures.

    3.  Finally you tell me what 2 Timothy 3:16-17 means to you.  I told you we are CORRECTING you, not judging you.  Since you don’t believe me (you called me Satan/false prophet), then you tell me what that scripture means.  So you be the teacher, and I will listen.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      There are about 31,240 verses in the Bible. Don’t be redundant on one verse to fool others.

      James 3:6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

      Jude 1:18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”

      These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, and flatter people in order to take advantage of them

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

        be all those Christians in the Body of Christ. (Col 1:18- 24) Are those glorified Christians in Heaven not part of the Body of Christ? Where in the Holy Bible does it teach that Christ has two bodies, one in Heaven and one on earth, or that the saints in Heaven are outside the Body of Christ? St Paul tells us that intercessions and prayers be made for for ALL Christians, all in Christ’s Body.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NYKIOQEDTUD4FPPPVHP6XMFNEA Raul

      1 Peter 2:1-25 

      So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus 
      Christ. .

      You may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don’t feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right.



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