3 police, military man among fatalities in Quezon shootout

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Passengers glance at the bullet-riddled vehicle of suspected criminals along a road in the town of Atimonan in Quezon province, about 140 kilometers (100 miles) southeast of Manila, Philippines late Sunday Jan. 6, 2013. Philippine army special forces and police killed 13 suspected criminals in a gunbattle Sunday in the latest violence to erupt in the country in the past week. AP /Aaron Favila

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine National Police identified Monday the police and military officers, who were among the 13 killed in the alleged shootout in Quezon province Sunday afternoon.

Senior Superintendent Valeriano de Leon, Quezon provincial police director said three police officers were killed in the encounter and they were Superintendent Alfredo Perez Consemino assigned with Region 4-B; Police Officer 1 Jeffrey Tarinay Valdez; and Senior Police Officer 1 Gruet Alinea Mantuano.

One military officer identified as Staff  Sergeant Armando Aranda Lescano was also killed in the shootout.

Two other men who yielded identification cards showing they were officers of Armed Forces of the Philippines’ Intelligence Service were also killed in the shootout with police. The IDs bore the names of Leonardo Catapang Marasigan and Maximo Manalastas Pelayo.

But the ISAFP on Monday issued a strong denial.

ISAFP Commander Brigadier General Eduardo Año said the two slain men were “impostors.”

“May na recover na IDs pero fake yun. Di nag-i-issue ng ID ang ISAFP (There were IDs recovered but those were fake. ISAFP does not issue IDs),” he told INQUIRER.net in a phone interview.

The other fatalities were identified as follows:

– Tirso Pada Lontoc Jr. of Barangay (village) Sta. Lucia, Dolores, Quezon;

– Conrado Redreska Decillo of Barangay (village) Maunong, Calamba City;

– Victor Garcia Gonzales of Pulong Balon, Candaba, Pampanga;

– Victorino Siman Atienza Jr. of Barangay (village) Maunong, Calamba City;

– Gerry Ancero Siman of Barangay (village) Maunong, Calamba City;

– Jimbeam Dyico Justiniani of Quezon City; and

– Paul Arcedillo Quiohilag of 608 Mabini, Biñan, Laguna.

Police earlier said the gun battle between authorities and the 13 alleged members of a criminal group on board two vehicles occurred on Maharlika Highway in Barangay Lumutan in Atimonan, Quezon around 3 p.m. Sunday after the group opened fire at police and military officers manning a checkpoint.

A police officer, Superintendent Hansel Marantan sustained gunshot wounds on his left arm and left foot.

Authorities recovered from the slain suspects 10 firearms, including one M-14 rifles and M16 rifle.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

    The informer deserves a medal and a huge cash reward.

    • batangpaslit

      makibalato tayo, Bro.

  • joshmale2004

    The 13 suspects are definitely involved in illegal activities. They should also trace the ownership of the 2 SUVs they are riding. They could be carnap vehicles.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MLD4OKCRPD4PLQOEWMYBRELWG4 Cola

    Doubtful ang shoot out!

    • batangpaslit

      doubtful?
      bakit ang mga gun for hire cannot afford luxury cars to transport their people?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MLD4OKCRPD4PLQOEWMYBRELWG4 Cola

    The vehicles’ ownership should immediately be verified.  Kung carnap iyan, sigurado na criminal elements iyan.  On the other hand, kung owned by the occupants or their relatives iyong cars, medyo duda ang shoot out.

  • Pork_Republik

    What is it this time, mga karpentero na naki-party lang gamit ang mga montero nila. lolz!

    Good job PNP and Army! All you need to do is confirm all of the dead are bad guys and its already good for me- massacre, salvage, shootout whatever.

  • milespacker

    I hope this is a part of the PNP purging its ranks. Kulang na lang sabihin nila na talagang kasama sa crime syndicate ang mga pulis na napatay. If so, siguro they are just trying to protect whatever benefits na makukuha ng families because of the encounter, tutal they paid with their lives naman e.

    If this is the start of cleaning up the police force of criminals, then this is welcome news.

    • batangpaslit

      right, you can say it again

  • MrJoseRizal

    GOOD JOB PNP!!! Human rights activists suck on this!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/K3K5SFXM5O5S5MJSUSWF74QQUQ First Nameabel

       good job of killing people among their ranks??? tanga ka ba o tang ka talaga???

      • GustoKoHappyKa

        if they are police at day and criminal at night…they deserve to die.

      • MrJoseRizal

        Ikaw yun T@NGA, marunong ka ba umintindi or t@nga yun buong pamilya mo at utak talangka comprehension skills? Lahat ba nasa PNP matitino? Di ba pwede matinong cop kills a corrupt cop na “among their ranks”. Ano too much for your stupid tiny brain to comprehend? bobo mo at bobo ng magulang mo for not drowning you when they gave birth to a moron like you hahaha

      • Observer_din

        lupit ng bawi mo, sobra sir, buong angkan ang niyari mo..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q3QGG5QHBLRMZTIYWUFURY6J2E Night

    mukang bago pa yung isa sa likod SFM nakalagay…. tsk tsk…. 

    baka mag fufund raising (criminal acts) eto sa maynila para sa 2013 election… ingat ingat tayo sa daanan

  • joshmale2004

    The tipster should also be subjected to tactical interrogation. It could be that the tipster also belong to another group of criminal elements hence he knows the movement of this group. Or, the tipster maybe moonlighting for a rival politician while the 13 are also moonlighting for a rival politician. If this is the case, then this could be a possible election related incident.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TOXHGNYMNIUB5QVWCBTVQ7XOOU Jack

    Kung kasama sa criminal syndicate yang mga pulis, eh hindi siguro yan lalaban kasi wala naman silang ginagawa that time and mga pulis sila. Wala naman warrant. Madali naman itago ang baril  sa checkpoint. They could have passed the checkpoint and told those manning the checkpoint na pulis sila na dumadaan lang sa highway. The alleged “shootout” (rubout?) definitely raises more questions than answers.

    • Don Dee

      Your assertion would make sense if the PNP officer can produce a (black and white) official ORDER when asked upon at the check point. When moving outside of your jurisdiction, hindi pwedeng badge lang yan. Kailangan ng ORDER. Usually, you need to coordinate in advance pa nga with the local commander that you are moving armed personnel in his jurisdiction. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

        letter/mission orders are given to cops/soldiers in case they will be operating outside their jurisdiction, this is also presented to the nearest police station for coordination purposes and a lot of times this is deliberately delayed until the right time so as to avoid any leaks that would jeopardize their operation if it’s a legitimate one. in the same manner, all cops should respect each others turf especially if they are just passing by.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3UAABFPUE5ZKBXOAGLWL6POGWU joel genese

      Kadudaduda nga ang mga kwento. Ayon sa mga pulis, talagang handang lalaban ang mga suspek at parang sila pa ang nag initiate dahil anila ay binangga nila ang sinet up na check point. Kung ganun din lang naman pala na sila ay lalaban sa ganuong sitwasyon, bakit pa sila gumamit ng sasakyang mamahalin? 

      At bakit kaya nanlaban pa sila kung alam nilang alanganin sila?Samantalang may mga pulis na suspek at militar. Parang nagkulong lang sila sa loob ng sasakyan at nagpabaril.

      Sana nga lang ay mga masasamang loob talaga ang mga napatay at hindi simpleng mga  miyembro lang ng mga advocate groups.

  • batangpaslit

    gun for hire
    eh, kung ang kasama sa grupo ay ranking police officer at Army troopers, eh, marunong ngang bumaril ‘yon.
    sideline pala nila ang pagka “gun for hire”, eh?

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/hbRkpPw1oYTBJamz.EH7acMZBBVoIlWXriA-#e4348 Felix

    maraming katanungan at pangamba dahil ang nasa larawan ay sasakyan na maraming butas sa harap, likod, kaliwa at kanang panig ng sasakyan na nakasara ang mga pintuan na walang katawan ng tao. ang nangyari kaya ay hindi na lumabas sa sasakyan ang mga sakay nito at ang mga bantay sa lansangan ay mabilis na napaikotan ang sasakyan? marahil kung may larawan nang mga nasawi sa lugar na kanilang kinasawian ay malaking kabawasan sa mga katanungan?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    Since 4 were slain in the government side, I think no one would raise suspicion that this was a rub out. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/76VZCFEHSTBF43WYPWFAWUZKDU tiboynayan

      Basahin mo uli yung article, tyong. Yung sinasabi mong slain in the gov’t side ay occupants ng montero.

      • Observer_din

        govt side pa din,kasi active pa sa duty, baka yun ang point nya? hehehe

    • tanga_hanga_ni_abnoy

      bosing, sa mga suspect po kasama yang mga yan

      • tarikan

        Pre, hindi mo masisisi si pranky. Bukels kasi yung reporter. Hindi marunong magsulat ng maayos. Baka tapos laang ito ng payola journalism hehehe.

  • joshmale2004

    The slain suspects are possibly the notorious SIMAN group engaged in gun for hire. Supt Consamino and the 2 other police killed are detailed at MIMAROPA. What were they doing in CALABARZON fully armed with nine other civilians?

    • Don Dee

      SIMPLE LOGIC escapes the diehard conspiracy theorists. Kahit pa sampalin mo ng clear evidence, “rubout” pa rin ang conclusion. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/36O4ZGE5JY24XE4XQOXBM6O4WE Klepto

    Hindi na sorpresa yan. Alam na man ng lahat na hindi mapagkatiwalaan ang mga pulis. Karamihan sa mga pulis ay kasali sa drugs, kidnapping, at pagbigay protection sa mga kriminals

  • droccu

    Wait…nahehelo na ako sa mga reports and the responses of the posters here. Please clarify. The 3 police officers and 1 military officer identified and killed in the encounter were part of the intercepted criminal group of 13 people, right? From the government side, there was one police officer injured, right? Sadly, this should be clarified well especially nowadays when you cant tell the difference between the police and criminals.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VSVAD3S4PWFLPD7GOWBLI6BLRI Paulo Adams

    Col. Cosimino is a legitimate police intelligence officer.  He has no derogatory record and that he has not enriched himself in service.  This is a rubuot.  As clear as crystal.  Pictures do not lie.  Ambush and lumabas dito, not a shootout.

  • josefe38

    ENCOUNTER ITO NG DALAWANG “MAGNANAKAW”!!  ANG “MAGNANAKAW” GALIT SA KAPWA “MAGNANAKAW”. MAY HINALA NA ANG GRUPONG ITO AY NAG SIDE LINE BILANG ISANG “PRIVATE ARMY” O DIKIT NG ISANG KILALANG POLITIKO, ANG KALABANG POLITIKO NAMAN NA DIKIT SA KASALUKUYANG ADMINISTRATION ANG TUMIMBRE SA KANYANG MGA CONNECT-CONNECT SA ITAAS KAYA NAGKAGANITO.

    • Observer_din

      iyan ang mga utak imbestigador, isang anggulo lang ang tinitingnan, hehehehe

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    More data please, PNP.

    Based on the photograph above, the shooters outside most likely fired upon the cars with the occupants still inside and the windows still closed.  Such a likely scenario lessens the probability that a real shootout took place or that the occupants of the cars fired first.  That is besides this observation:  If those tires are flat because they were shot at, then it would appear that the shooters had the luxury of time to shoot at the tires.  An unlikely thing if the occupants of the vehicles were at that instant shooting at those manning the checkpoint.

    • Don Dee

      Yes, we need more data. You can not make any conclusions based on one photo. Gaano ito kalayo sa actual checkpoint? Ano ang position nito? Ano ang position ng dead bodies? Did the suspects alight the vehicle use it as cover when firing against the checkpoint personnel? Were they inside or outside the vehicle when recovered? Blood splatter analysis. Nasaan ang mga basyo ng both sides?

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Yes, certainly.  Which leads to the big question of why no photographs of the dead bodies as originally positioned right after the firing stopped have been shown. Such photographs would definitely be corroborative of the claim that a shootout occurred.  Especially if they show the victims still clutching their guns, or with such guns near where they lay dead.  That is, assuming some were taken.  And if none were taken, another bigger question “why?”

      • Don Dee

        I doubt that an army unit would be so careful or would have the training to be mindful of preserving the crime scene. Anyway, ang pinakamahirap naman pekeen ay yung blood splatter (dahil merong DNA). If blood splatter analysis indicate that ALL casualties died while inside the vehicle … that would mean that the shooutout was actually shooting fish in a barrel. It does not absolve the “victims”, pero the army unit would have to explain the “excessive force” applied.

    • joshmale2004

      Still difficult to assume that all windows are closed based on the photograph. If indeed the suspects fired while being flagged down, the right side windows of the SUVs were most likely to be opened and not on the left side facing the picture as the police manning the check point were most likely on the right side of the road.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Yes, that could be likely.  But if the left front and left rear tires of the first SUV suffered a blowout because of gunfire, then the most probable position  of the “tire” shooter(s) would have been to the left of the SUV also, that is, on the driver’s side. 

      • joshmale2004

        Correct. However, since the police manning the checkpoint already have been tipped of the armed group, they have positioned themselves for a possible shootout and deployed on all angles facing the SUVs including left side. I’ve checked some more media pictures in google and found out that the windows on the right front side and right back side of the first SUV were down so its possible that the person sitting on this part of the SUV were the ones who drew their guns. At these juncture, the police probably returned fire at will which explains why the second SUV never got to open any of its windows and doors.

    • joshmale2004

      I just checked other pictures in google and my suspicion below is confirmed. The right side front and passenger window of the first SUV were down in the pictures. Report also reveal the group have M16 and M14 with them which means they were heavily armed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HBX5ADASRZU4SKUFDCRCFDMS44 el capitan

    sino ba may ari ng mga sasakyang ito? yong handler ba?

  • jajabeltran

    Simple lang yan. meron 4 na kasama na mga pulis at militar yung mga kriminal.

  • tanga_hanga_ni_abnoy

    maybe they are criminals but i am not buying the “shootout story” based on the pictures/positions etc..sana ginulo muna yung position e mukhang magkasunod lang at diretso pa ang gulong ….the great pacific turkey shootout nangyari dito

  • RomyLitz

    The reporter’s story is full of obscurity. Where were these four slained military and police officers at during the shootout? Were they included in the pursuit group of policemen or were they riding on the same convoys with the criminals ? And who shot them, the criminals or the police?? Who were the owners of vehicles? Malabo and report low quality still !!

    • Nutting Moore

      Bobo kasi yang si mallari.. puro yabang lang yan..  nagpapalaki ng tiyan.. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398216749 Jason Ladd

       talagang low quality..even the editor is low quality not to proof read the story for consistency and relevance..susme naman….ire-train ninyo ulit yung reporter including the editor…

    • tarikan

      Bukels itong journalist na to. Baka hindi ito tapos ng journalism (very obvious) baka tapos laang ng “High School graduate” hahaha! Wala silang night shift editor, nagtitipid. O bukels din ang night shift editor?

  • beerhunters

    “you see my friends, I only kill for money, but since all of you are my friends I will kill all of you for nothing.” Bwa ha ha ha haha!!!

  • virgoyap

    Were  the police officers slain in the encounter part of the gang syndicate? What a revelation!! Baka mayroon pang ganito sa hanay ng mga pulis sa buong Pilipinas.

    • beerhunters

      You can never tell what one does in his free time!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002398216749 Jason Ladd

    The news report is too grainy and misleading. Out of the 13 alleged members of a criminal group on board two vehicle, how many of them are killed and have they identified all the 13?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KELBC2K3ZHQWVW7ZCFKZUDDSEU Marlon

    two words: RUB OUT

    lumang istilo na yan. tanong nyo kay Sen. Lacson. expert sya dyan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/O2HJRWGE3PSIUMTAOAVTD5ZOU4 LIVED

       Korek RUB OUT yan for sure!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

        kung ako yung Superintendent (LIEUTENANT COLONEL) at kung pepekein lang yung fire fight na yan, bakit ako pa na hepe ang magpapabaril!? ang dami dami ko namang tao!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RWPOD4ER5LJPDQU3N32NAC74X4 johnnie r

    …siguro di maayos magbigay ng ‘protection money’, kaya sinampolan para di tumulad ang iba pang grupo…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/O2HJRWGE3PSIUMTAOAVTD5ZOU4 LIVED

    Wag muna mag conlude we never know them personally…. E baka naman politically motivated yan? Ambush kung baga!? Pag tinignan mo naman kung highly calibered gun eh malamang marami din namatay na pulis patola este pulis quezon….. Sanay naman sila sa ganyang gawain eh Ano bago dyan yung ngang mindanao massacre eh hanggang ngayun dinidinig pa din sa Trial Court…. Nakaka dismaya talaga ang nang yayari sa Pilipinas.  

    • Don Dee

      Not really. The army personnel manning the checkpoint had the intelligence beforehand and had all the time to prepare the “killzone” should this armed group resisted. Any commander worth his salt, given this advantage, would surely rout his enemy, it is not even a contest. 

      But yes, let there be a thorough investigation on the incident. Dapat ma involve ang CHR.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/O2HJRWGE3PSIUMTAOAVTD5ZOU4 LIVED

         They reported…. Galing lahat sa kanila yan diba? If you look at the picture ng mga ginamit na sasakyan eh halos ratratan nila yung dalawang sasakyan wala naman nasa labas diba? Yung casualties lang nung pulis tinamaan sa kamay at legs kung baka kapwa nya pulis yung nakabaril sa kanya. Hindi naman tayo  grade one para maniwala sa mga sinasabi nila. Be more observant! Bro…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

        kung ako yung Superintendent (LIEUTENANT COLONEL) at kung pepekein lang yung fire fight na yan, bakit ako pa na hepe ang magpapabaril!? ang dami dami ko namang tao!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

        e left side lang yan ng sasakyan, nakita mo na ba yung sa right side?

      • Don Dee

        Kailangan nga ng further investigation. Ever considered the possibility that members of this armed group alighted their vehicles, used it as cover as they fired against the checkpoint? It makes no sense to engage in a firefight while you are all confined to such a small space (inside the vehicle — na hindi naman armoured). Kung meron konting training ito, first reaction is to disperse and find cover, then fire back. Wag kang mag-alala, kahit wala ng witness from their side (although siguro merong civilian witness, since broad daylight nangyari), FORENSIC evidence ay mahirap pekeen. Kung meron blood splatter that proves these at least a few of these guys were killed outside the vehicle, and shot from a distance (not close range), then you know there was indeed a firefight. Kung lahat naman ng blood splatter ay sa loob ng sasakyan, at the very least, the army unit may be guilty of excessive force. It makes no sense to fight back from inside the vehicle which is not armored.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/O2HJRWGE3PSIUMTAOAVTD5ZOU4 LIVED

         Sana mas malinawan ang isip natin kasi parang lagi nalang me ganitong eksena tas wala naman changes sa Government natin.Kawawa lang ang nagiging biktima. At sana wala ni isa sa pamilya natin ma victimize nang ganito….

      • Don Dee

        Alright, I just read from another news source that the army contingent’s testimony indeed mentions that two gun men alighted one of the vehicles and started firing. Therefore, if they were shot and killed outside the vehicle, blood splatter evidence should support the claim. The other news source also mentions a third vehicle which also fired but was able to escape.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6H5DZKUQTUASP4S6CGTK7B3E4 kevin

      We just wait for some big shot politician to be ambushed..then people will be happy….

      • Observer_din

        sana si TEDDY BEAR na ma-ambush, para maraming happy, ma-epal eh, hehehe

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/O2HJRWGE3PSIUMTAOAVTD5ZOU4 LIVED

    Naku wag nating payagan na ganyan ganyan lang ang buhay natin….Kailangan natin mag tanong….maging mapanuri …. papayag ba tayo na patayin ang mga taong wlang ginagawang kasalanan na ang gusto lang ay pagbabago sa sariling bayan!? Mag tanong tayo? Wag maniwala basta basta sa report nila. Hanggang walang diretsong magtuturo sa kanila na masasamang tao sila WAG MANIWALA!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      sa baranggay ka na magpaliwanag

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6H5DZKUQTUASP4S6CGTK7B3E4 kevin

      Lumang style na yan ,pre…

  • BurgerBeacon

    Bakit kaya pag naubos mapatay ang mga criminals sa shootout, tinatawag na rub-out at kung ni isa walang napatay, inutil ang mga police?

    • niceguy60

      In other country they eventry to save the lives of the bad guys to face justice. We don’t know the whole story yet. This Inquirer reporting is as clear as mud.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NRLFHB4ZOMCNGDUJ2ZINRV7DAQ Juan

    if the recovered Id are real there is something fishy about the movement of these group, I never knew that the AFP and PNP work like this, usually when the AFP and PNP work together it’si in Battalion level at least because command structure is very important in the AFP even in ISAFP. malamang mga notorius at blood thirsty robbers itong mga ito, very fishy ang composition nila.

    • Don Dee

      They don’t! Criminal enterprise however is not so sensitive about the command and control structure.

  • alex_diaz2014

    Mukha bang shoot-out eh nakataas mga salamin nung kotse?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      nakita mo ba yung other side?

      • alex_diaz2014

        Yup, tingnan mo mga reports ngayon…

    • joshmale2004

      I just checked other pictures in google and my suspicion below is confirmed. The right side front and passenger window of the first SUV were down in the pictures. Report also reveal the group have M16 and M14 with them which means they were heavily armed

      • alex_diaz2014

        Can you still say this now?

  • AIbert_Einstein

    Masalimuot ito, kita ninyo naman KINATAY nila lahat. Walang iniwan na buhay para siguradong walang kakanta sa nangyaring rub out. If it smells fishy, there must be fish.

    • joshmale2004

      Pre. Sa Philstar news, dinala pa sa hospital yung 2 sa 13 pero namatay din habang ginagamot. Inquirer never mentioned this one however.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

        sa previous article meron. yung may muka ni teddy bear

      • joshmale2004

        Okay. so confirmed pre.

      • Observer_din

        sana si teddy bear na lang dinala sa hospital, sayang naman.. hehehe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    kanino registered yung suv?

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    The AP news report spoke of 3 vehicles of the alleged “criminals.”  Try this link:
    http://www.thestateDOTcom/2013/01/06/2579358/philippine-army-police-kill-13.html

    BY the way, ISAFP Commander Brigadier General Eduardo Año’s claim that ISAFP does not issue IDs is pure crap. This General must take us citizens for fools.

    • Don Dee

      Mas detailed yang link mo. Thanks. Details are a little more clearer now.

  • joshmale2004

    what puzzles me is that these group riding together were coming from different provinces. Merong taga Quezon City, Pampanga, Calamba, Quezon province, Camarines Sur and Laguna. What common ground would bring them all together in one group?

    • marionics

      tanungin natin sa recruiter nila he he

      • joshmale2004

        Hahaha. Oo nga ano. Baka naman OFW mga to pre?

      • marionics

        he he i’m pretty sure itong mga sindikatong ito e may mga recruitment procedure para makakuha ng new talent from the “labor market” he he

        sadly baka mga ex-army o ex-police o mga kaibigan at kamaganak ng mga miyembro na nila,

        if it were you pare who needed to recruit for your robbery-holdup outfit, how would you go about it?

      • Don Dee

        Let me check Craigslist. :)

      • joshmale2004

        Share mo what you can find pre.

      • joshmale2004

        Pwede rin nating check yung pinanggalingan nilang mga probinsiya kung urban or rural area. Gaya nung isa na taga Candaba, Pampanga. I am familiar with this place at medyo malayong lugar at liblib ang bayan na to. Known NPA infested area din to dati.

      • marionics

        there you go he he

      • joshmale2004

        Sherlock Holmes time pre.

    • mad_as_Hamlet

      What if the police and military personnel in that group had actually “picked up” or had with them some individuals who were willing to spill the beans on a criminal sydicate that has leaders and members in a police and military unit, or links to a politician, and hence, when the syndicate got wind of it, it set-up an ambush (in the guise of a checkpoint) to silence them using their police/military connections, killing al the other gov’t. personnel in the process.  After all, the rank-and-file could easily be blinded and wouldn’t question the ‘story” about the “tip” that “criminals” would be passing through the checkpoint.

      • joshmale2004

        It’s possible but in this scenario, it would be unlikely. There were 4 military personnel and 9 civilians. Assuming the 9 civilians are turning over, then there should only be the Military who have guns in the convoy. But in the report 10 hand guns, 1 M14 and 1 baby armalite were recovered. Meaning, each passenger have each own gun. If I am the military and a certain syndicate member would want to turn in and become a witness, I would have to disarm him first before I bringing him in.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        A one-to-one correspondence of one-man-one gun doesn’t necessarily follow. But the story that those in the SUVs fired first is simply self-serving and implausible.  If the people in the SUVs had the intention to “shoot it out” with those in the checkpoint, they would have maneuvered.  The two SUVs are just in a single file and, if you noticed, they’re on the left lane. Checkpoints are set -up in such a way that a vehicle passing through would trace a zig-zag path (like an “S”) to force it to slow down.  It looks like, in this case, that the SUVs were fired upon when it was at its most vulnerable point going through the checkpoint.

      • joshmale2004

        We’ll never know what actually happened than speculate. You have a point also. We can also speculate that the 13 gang members may not be aware that they were tipped off and maybe thinking at that instance that it was just a normal routine checkpoint and with a couple of policemen (maybe 3 or 4 while the rest are out of view) not in an act of fighting but just checking. They miscalculated by thinking they outnumbered the police, one of them pulled out a hand gun and shot the first police in line which is the team leader. This support why the right front side and the right backside of the first SUV’s windows were down in the pictures. Too late they found out that they were already trapped in an open fire situation.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Nay.  Remember what Conan Doyle’s Sherlock said?

        “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

      • Magsasaka

        also , those are intel officers they are not idiot to ram a check point, even if they are truly members of a big
        syndicate by just identifying themselves as intel officers they are free
        to go, that’s how our system works and that’s the reality.
        sad to say kung agent ka or civilian agent ka ng ISAF hindi lang ngayon ang unang beses na nag disown sila ng mga tao nila mismo.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Yes, that’s true.  Even low-ranking officers can talk their way through such “difficulties.”  I’ve got a new post re: Supt. Hansel Marantan  It’s on top.  The guy is accused of a 2005 “salvaging.”

      • Magsasaka

        alam na, magagaling lang talaga ang mga yan sa puguan

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6H5DZKUQTUASP4S6CGTK7B3E4 kevin

        You hit the right button .man..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6H5DZKUQTUASP4S6CGTK7B3E4 kevin

        This is the nearest scenario about the encounter…..you maybe right..

    • Magsasaka

      thought i’m not sure i believe intel group is like that, composed of people from different agencies and places

      • joshmale2004

        I have an inkling about that. that’s why I posed the question. I’m even thinking this could be a misencounter between government agencies. Dahil patay lahat nung kabila so whitewash is in order.

    • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

      Intel’s intel personnel with mission, came from different places as one group  same SUVs at that place at that specific time !!!!

      • joshmale2004

        I have an inkling about that. that’s why I posed the question. I’m even thinking this could be a misencounter between government agencies. Dahil patay lahat nung kabila so whitewash is in order.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. As usual, lahat patay. Walang nahuling buhay so wala nanamang solusyon.

    Ano ba yan Mr. Roxas?

    He-he-he. Nasa utak kasi ng gubyerno natin….condom, divorce,….walang kwenta…puro panakip butas!

    • Twister12

      Lol lahat na lng nangyayari isisi mo sa ibang tao. Malamang nyan sinisisi mo rin ang gubyerno kung bakit ka ipinagbuntis ny nanay mo heh he

      • Observer_din

        hahahaha.. nice SIR!!!

    • joshmale2004

      Lol. Maninisi ka na rin lang di mo pa lubusin. Isama mo na lahat sa sisi pati si Pnoy, De Lima, Lacierda, Carpio, Cayetano, Santiago, Lagman, Belmonte……

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      AFP modernization

      1. Ayusin ang mga bulok na eroplano
      2. Bumili ng mga Second World War ships
      3. yun lang tanda ko hahahaa

      tapos pondo ng condom bilyones annually? my goodness hahaha

  • Albert Einstien

    with ISAFP’s plausible deniability ….it SEEMS the group is a COMPOSITE team aka “mission impossible ” ..working on a top government oplan?
    is there a mis encounter or the tipster is in fact the enemy..?

    earlier NEWS they said those 13 were CRIMINAL elements which maybe just a COVER STORY .. seems they are not even on a WANTED list…..but now they are SECRET AGENTS, SOLDIERS & POLICE officers…….who is their handler …what agency of the govt is in-charge ? what is their mission ? why they were KILLED… ? who gave the order if any ?..more questions than answers…puzzling indeed….

    Moreso that there is ONLY one policeman who suffered a flesh wound…..in the encounter .with these 13 HEAVILY ARMED TRAINED COMBATANTS……plot is thickening…lol

  • joshmale2004

    Anyway, gauging from the news and the pictures available, medyo kulang pa sa pag cordon ng crime scene ang PNP natin at mukhang mahina ang mga forensic teams natin.

  • boypalaban

    noong una, nasabi ko “AYOS,….”

    ngayon….mas napaisip ako….

    “SINO NGA BA SA DALAWANG GRUPO ANG TUNAY NA KRIMINAL?”

    • Don Dee

      Sino ba ang nasa tamang jurisdiction? And check the “all-star” composition of the casualties. AFP/PNP units rarely operate with such a mixed bunch.

  • VooDoo

    sos purisima!!

    misencounter yata to.. kung ang nasa loob ng SUV ang unang nagpaputok, sana unang kumanta yung M14 nila.. ei di sana naratrat muna ang naka check-point bago sila nabaril.. 

    ipalagay natin, kung may balak ka lumaban sa check point at alam mo na marami sila lock and load na ako kaagad.. 

    may kababalaghan nangyari dito.. 

    may di magandang nangyari dito.. kutong lang kasi ang alam.. 

    • joshmale2004

      Unlikely pre. This is a tip off. The area was cordoned off and it is very unlikely na lahat ng police na nakadeploy sa area eh nakatayo lang at hindi nakatago sa gilid at vantage point. Normally, yung mga nag flag down ang nakalitaw kasama ng hepe nila at naka ready at nakatago mga back up nila including snipers. This explains kung bakit yung hepe ng check point ang unang nabaril. At malalang hindi M14 or yung baby armalite ang ginamit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lynel-F-Joven/685946584 Charles Lynel F. Joven

    could this be another classic case of a”rubout?..like the Kuratong Baleleng in the 90’s….?..hello Ping and company…..

    • VooDoo

      either mistaken identity or rub-out..

      mistaken identity = palpak ang na gather na info.. means mga utusan lang nasa field,     mga amo nasa kutungan..

      rub-out = di nagkasundo sa hatian.. 

    • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

      Pwede rubout, dahil kung ang allege criminal unang nagpaputok may patay din sa Military & Police na nag conduct ng checkpoint. First to fire at close range are fatal shots.

      It’s but commonsense & rational, for sure expect retaliation & reprisal from those manning  the checkpoint should anyone from SUV’s allege criminal occupant(s) fired the first shot(s)… aimed to kill.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Psiitoon-Charoenkrung/100001362990665 Jane Deasis Villena

    It is a known fact that many military and police officers were involved in the drug smuggling of the country.  The reason why drugs proliferation continuous because they are protected by influential police and military officers.  The government should do more to weed out the corrupt military and police officers.

  • wakats

    With more proofs coming in about law enforcers becoming law breakers reinforce the arguments against total gun ban as it will leave law-abiding citizens to the mercy of lawless elements.

    Among the 13 slain suspected criminals were 3 police officers, 1 army staff sergeant and 2 army intelligence agents, armed with 8 .45 cal pistols, 1 M-14 and 1 M-16 assault rifles.  

    During the martial law era, all army and PC personnel were disciplined and respected by the people, unlike today.

    • Magsasaka

      those are intel officers they are not idiot to ram a check point, use your common sense because even if they are truly members of a big syndicate by just identifying themselves as intel officers they are free to go, that’s how our system works and that’s the reality.
      during martial law army and PC were respected? then how come marcos was dethroned when his arm forces were highly respected.

      • kalikasanipagtanggol

         i beg to disagree, during martial law army and pc were not respected. People were obedient out of fear or risk of being in the list of disappeared!

      • Magsasaka

        that’s more like it

      • wakats

        The article said the occupants of the 2 monteros opened fire first when flagged down and no mention of ramming the checkpoint.  The IDs were recovered from the bodies of the slain.

        Army and PC were disciplined and respected, but not the corrupt marcoses and his cronies.  There were no kotong cops and hoodlum military men in uniform at that time.   

      • Magsasaka

        the article may say anything but we should use our critical mind to analyze the possibility of whatever is written

    • boypalaban

       “During the martial law era, all army and PC personnel were disciplined and respected by the people, unlike today.”

      mali….they were FEARED by the people…

      • wakats

        Feared by some but not by many who were law-abiding citizens

  • tarikan

    Lousy reporting and lousy title of the news! The title conveys a message that the three police officers and the three military men were killed in a shoot out with the bad guys. Well, upon reading the body of the news, they were the bad guys. Ranking police officers and an NCO military man (the other 2 were fakes, said ISAFP) now with the bad guys? No surprise!

  • tilamsik

    Magduda nga kayo sa mga pulis pag kayo ang naging biktima ng mga kriminal na napatay?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    This OPERATION is a BIG BLOW against COPS who PATRONIZE BANDITS and CORRUPT local officials—–POLICE have to be TRUSTED in IMPOSING and PROTECTING the Philippine LAW———-But ONCE they are the CRIMINALS and BANDITS, there is NO WAY the LAW can be IMPLEMENTED—-

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    “A police officer, Superintendent Hansel Marantan sustained gunshot wounds on his left arm and left foot.”

    Google “Hansel Marantan.”   Lots of hits.  Below is one of interest, from Sunstar.

    “Tuesday, April 3, 2012
    THE Pasig City Regional Trial Court (RTC) has deferred anew the arraignment of five police officers accused in the 2005 Ortigas “rub-out” case.

    Lawyer Jose Manuel Diokno said Pasig RTC Branch 265 Judge Danilo Buemio decided to defer the arraignment of Senior Inspectors Hansel Marantan and Samson Belmonte, Police Officers 3 Rizalito Ramos Jr. and Lloyd Soria and Police Officer 2 Dexter Bernadas on Tuesday to April 17 pending the resolution of the petition before the Supreme Court (SC) questioning the downgrading of the murder charges to homicide by the Ombudsman.

    Diokno said public prosecutor Michael Robles also supported their arguments during Tuesday’s hearing seeking a postponement of the arraignment.Earlier, defense lawyers asked the court to proceed with the arraignment, saying Diokno, as a private prosecutor, should have gotten the approval of Robles but it was rendered moot after the latter voiced his support to his colleague.

    Another issue raised by the defense was that the court should have proceeded with the arraignment as there was no injunction issued by the SC but Buemio sided with the prosecution’s arguments.The said police officers were accused of killing Anton Cu-Unjieng La’O, Francis Xavier Manzano and Brian Anthony Dulay on November 7, 2005 in an anti-carjacking operation along Garnett Road in Ortigas, Pasig City.The police said the three were the subject of surveillance operation prior to the incident showing they were members of the Valle Verde gang.But Diokno and the victims’ families insisted that they were not killed in a shoot-out with the law enforcers but were summarily executed, citing a video footage taken by UNTV station.

    Diokno said they filed last week another motion with the SC seeking a resolution on their petition, adding they are hopeful a resolution will be issued soon.Aside from the downgrading of the charges, the Ombudsman also dropped the case against six other accused police officers: namely, Chief Superintendent Augusto Angcanan, Inspector Henry Cerdon and PO2 Jesus Fermin, Sonny Robrigado, Fernando Rey Gapuz and Rey Lucena”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

      looks like this guy is a trigger happy,fame(notorious) driven …and a ‘Noy Awardee….tsk  tsk  tsk..scary little monster.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        There’s really good basis to say so.  About what happened at Atimonan, Quezon, the least we can say is that we the people are not being told the complete truth by these SOBs whom we pay to uphold the law and to protect us.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

        I agree…If not for the twist of fate,unintentionally quit my pursuit on becoming a law enforcement agent…..my dear life could had been compromised by the ills in our society….Thanks for the info.

    • D L

      wow.

      also clearfx at blogspot dot com

      “For the first-time ever, an attempt to blog for justice for my classmate, Francis Xavier Manzano, who was brutally shot by a group of corrupt Philippine National Police (PNP) on the evening of November 7, 2005.
      Francis was on his way home from Starbucks. He was dressed in his home attire (shirt, shorts and slippers), seated at the backseat of his friend’s car, sipping on his iced-drink. (Do guys on a on a heist wear slippers?! I doubt it.)
      As the three friends drove through Ortigas Blvd, a group of darkly tinted SUVs approached their vehicle and began firing shots at their car. The SUVs surrounded the stalled and bullet-ridden sedan, and out came armed men with military machine guns and hand guns, dressed in casual clothes. They approached the car, opened all of its doors, and fired more bullets directly at them at arm’s length. So many shots were fired that everyone within a few blocks away felt a moment of fear upon hearing them. ”

      Friday, August 21, 2009
      Four Years….and Waiting
      “Slapped with three counts of homicide are Senior Inspectors Hansel Marantan and Samson Belmonte, PO3 Rizalito SM Ramos Jr., PO3 Lloyd Soria, and PO2 Dexter Bernadas for the death of Anton Cu-Unjieng, Brian Anthony Dulay and Francis Xavier Manzano on Nov. 7, 2005.”
      the repeat of the same story.

      • pinoypower

        Superintendent na ang senior inspector noon. Ibig sabihin na-promote kahit may pending case. Nakapagtataka. 

      • Don Dee

        Normal lang sa isang aktibong PNP officer ang merong kaso. Everytime merong kang mapatay, whether it is a good shoot or bad shoot, chances are idedemanda ka pa rin ng mga kamag-anak nito. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

        awarded pa nga yata iyon ni Pnoy….Ngayon,tiyak 3x purple heart medal iyan .

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

        according to napolcom regulations, having a pending case is not a hindrance in getting a rank promotion

    • Don Dee

      Ah, the Ortigas case. The infamous TMG shootout case. I used to work close to where the incident happened. One of my co-workers actually witnessed the incident. It was indeed a shootout (according to my co-worker).Though my co-worker didn’t know who fired first. Problem was, the cops kept on firing even as the suspects lay helpless and dying. The then PNP chief (can’t remember who) then came onto the scene and gave out calling cards (you know the value of a signed PNP chief calling card now, do you?) and a “wink” that the PNP statement was true as far as witnesses are concerned. I wouldn’t believe my co-worker if he hadn’t shown me the calling card.

  • rpcapinpin3

    Maaksyon ang 2013

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    Ano ba ang totoo? Parang kulang ang balita.
    Lumalabas na ang mga napatay na 3 pnp ay bad eggs?
    No categorical statement sa news. Bahala na muna ang mga
    readers mag conclude!
    Sana hindi mistaken encounter.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/74DX67S5U6H557SPUXS5XZ6QJI Alisto Juan

    Dalawang magkaparehong sasakyan, yan ang estilo ng convoy ng mga politiko. Palagay ko, mga tauhan yan ng isang politiko kasi composite team. Sa amin dito meron politiko na composite ang kangyang bodyguards, may PNP, AFP at may sa NPA para madali yun contak nila sa iba-ibang grupo. . .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Another pain in assssss on this mediocre Administration….lol
    No words from the Palace regarding its poster boys……?

    • Observer_din

      ibig mo bang sabihin utos ni PNOY to?di ba dapat ang PNP magpaliwanag?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

        meron na…as always defensive sila.
        Paki check na lang doon sa mga other posts here below. 

  • opinyonlangpo

    Coming from the police they killed members of a big criminal organization. Weird but these dead people are also cops, means the police is the biggest criminal organization. And I say it again, it is best to avoid these cops. I smell politics behind the killings though. As they say, “Its more fun in the Philippines.” Don’t trust the police and the military and so on with the big guns.

  • my_chatmate

    Disturbing to me. It was 3 pm. Maliwanag at nakikita mo ang palagid.  If they have intention to shoot it out. they would have prepared themselves before they approached the check point. “Lock and load ready to fire”. There is an element of surprise here. The other group does not know that they will be massacred.  The whole truth may never come.

  • PepingCo

    Other than recovering guns (may shootout daw), what else was recovered to allege past wrongdoings by those killed. Clearly, the one officer injured had a bad past reputation of rubouts. Anyare?

    • chingnarciso

      they recovered money too I guess sa bulsa ng mga namatay,but hindi na nila sinabi,dahil nahatihati na, baka milyones pa yan ang nakuha sa mga wallet ng mga biktima. pulutan at pang inom na my friend..

      • PepingCo

        Korek! Ayun, lumabas na ang totoo. Jueteng ang dahilan!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYX4ZTAV4BUGW2RIMT45CPYBGA Pio Gante

    what if it’s just grudge tip? in the early 90’s someone made a call to the radio room of the pnp hpg to report that his car had been carjacked at makati and then said that the culprits had abandoned him and fled with his car towards pasay avanue, after receiving the call, the radio operator, without verifying facts relayed the information to hpg marked and unmarked cars in the area. the car was spotted by plainclothesmen in a civilian car along pasay road, then the cops tried to signal the car to pull over on the side but the driver who was too oblivious as to why he was being asked to stop just ignored the cops, right after that, the car was blocked and the cops opened fire killing the driver. as practiced, the intel cops who engaged the ‘carjacked car’ withdrew when uniformed back up personnel came so as to let them own up to the shooting. 

    investigation later revealed that the dead driver was actually the real owner of the car. a case was  filed against the uniformed cops but not on the limbas guys, because they were the ones mentioned in the after battle report. all the uniformed guys got convicted for the incident  in fact one old timer who was only escorting the respondents was included in the charge when in one hearing day he was unlucky enough to be fingered by a witness.

    the above incident triggered the revision of hpg procedure on response to alarms and emergencies.

    this post is dedicated in memory of the innocent victim and to the old timer and his companions who  were unjustly convicted, who until the end did not rat out.

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    Condolences to the family of Jim Beam Justiniani y Dyico, a friend of my brother.

  • chingnarciso

    is this shoot out or ambush? according to Lt. Col. Monico Abang, that the suspect rolled down their windows and start shooting at the officers who are manning the check point.  ilang beses kung tinignan ang picture ng SUV,at sa tingin ko ay hindi na roll down ang bintana,dahil kitang kita pa sa picture ang mga tinamaan ng bala  .and according to Erwin Obal, that two of the suspect jump out of the vehicle and start shooting the officers,.kaya nag return fire na sila..ang babaw naman na alibi ito..ginagawang mga tanga ang taong bayan…

    • okabato

       The front plate number of the Montero SUV says PNPA. It was obvious the check point guys knew who they were dealing with. They knew the passengers of the vehicles and the gig was on.

  • buttones

    There is something ‘odd’ about this incident, reports are changing hour by hour, it was one injured cop and now three are dead? What is this? “Something Stinks in the State of Denmark” as they say. By the way, are not all shooting deaths by police considered ’murder’ until it is proved not the case?

  • nyukradaregg

    Yung  Senior Inspectors Hansel Marantan Papanong nasa Serbisyo pa yan ganoong meron nang Kasong masacker ..nakabaliw liw itong mga Kapulisan natin..Kundi Manghoholdap,Mamamatay tao at Pa awa epek pa nabaril daw tinamaan oh baka naman self inflict para medyo mayroong istoryang pa awa epek..

    • Magsasaka

       tama ka bro self inflicted yan kamay at paa ba naman sa malamang daplis lang, considering na may automatic daw na dala ang mga napatay nila, kung totoo binaril sya ng mga nakasakay malamang hindi kamay at paa ang tama nyan, malamang tadtad ang katawan ng ugok na yan hehehe

      • kalikasanipagtanggol

         Paano siya matatamaan sa paa kung malapit siya sa sasakyan? sa lapit niya na yung ang trajectory ng bala ay deretso pa hindi pababa…..

      • Magsasaka

        yan nga bro ang mga katanungan na magpapakita na hindi totoo ang gun battle.

  • Rovingmoron

    Bakit ngayon lang nilabas ng Inquirer tong picture ng bullet-riddled Pajeros? It could have accompanied the first article that came out in the PDI, hours after the incident took place. This could have been a case of misinformation or miscommunication between the tipster and the PNP operatives. Paano pa gagawin ngayon. Dead men tell no tales. Again, the incident keeps millions of Pinoy readers wondering what really happened. I’m sure the place of the incident was dark at the time. No media, no witnesses.

  • Dawn Dare

    Makes one wonder who’s blocking the freedom of information act. Until that bill is out, one can only presume that this incident is nothing but another massacre.

  • kalikasanipagtanggol

    Baka naman yung dalawa na may ISAFP ID ay inaresto ng tatlong pulis katulong ng isang sargento ng AFP at inarkila lang yung mga sasakyan…..siguro nataon lang na ang naarkila nila ay jueteng operator pala……binigyan ng malisya ng mga humarang na pulis at nataon din na ang lider ng humarang na pulis ay nakita pa sa video ng news network habang binabaril yung nakahandusay na katawan ng hinarang nila……siguro mga nagkataon lang……..Hindi pala ako ipinanganak kahapon nuon pa ilang dekada na ang nakakalipas!

  • antonioluna

    rubout

  • Your_King

    So sad for the families of the victims and so sad for the Philippines that ‘jueteng’ is so bad that it leads to senseless killings and events such as this.

  • koolkid_inthehouse

    The police and the military are the worst criminals.  Most of the time they got away because of the their brotherhoods from PMA or PNPA. 

    The government should form a civilian group to look into promotions of military top personnels.

    Don’t trust your police or military, they’re mafia in uniform and you paid them.

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