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MANILA, Philippines—Less than half a month after it came into force, the Supreme Court was asked to stop the implementation of the reproductive health law.

In a 25-page petition for certiorari, couple James and Lovely Imbong, on behalf of their minor children and the Magnificat Child Development Center, said the law “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture.” James Imbong is the son  of Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) lawyer Jo Imbong.

President Benigno Aquino III signed into law on December 21 the controversial measure, which  will promote contraception, sexual education and family planning programs vigorously opposed by the country’s Roman Catholic Church.

Women groups and other supporters of the law have praised Aquino for pushing its passage within the first half of his six-year term after the measure languished in Congress for 13 years largely because legislators were reluctant to pass it because of the strong opposition of the Catholic Church.

The petitioners said that Republic Act 10354 or the Act Providing for a National Policy on Responsible Parenthood and Reproductive Health is illegal and should be stopped.

“This case will present the illegality of the Act as it mocks the nation’s Filipino culture–noble and lofty in its values and holdings on life, motherhood and family life–now the fragile lifeblood of a treasured culture that today stands solitary but proud in contrast to other nations,” petitioners said.
Named respondents are Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa, Budget Secretary Florencio Abad, Health Secretary Enrique Ona, Education Secretary Armin Luistro and Interior and Local Government Secretary Manuel Roxas II.

In about a dozen provisions, the 24-page law repeatedly reminds that abortion drugs are banned, but it requires health workers to provide care for those who have complications arising from illegal abortions.

Under the law, the government will hire more village health workers who will distribute contraceptives, especially to the poor, and provide instructions on natural family planning methods that the Church approves.

The government will also train teachers who will provide age- and development-appropriate reproductive health education to adolescents — youth age 10 to 19 years old. This will include information on protection against discrimination and sexual abuse and violence against women and children, teen pregnancy, and women’s and children’s rights. With the Associated Press

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  • ThePattern

    nasobrahan ata sa nalanghap na pulbura ang mga ito nung bisperas.

    • http://twitter.com/whipnsaddle Bastonero

      Gusto lang magpakilala para magka pangalan di kaya tatakbo sa eleksyon ang mag asawang iyan?

      • ThePattern

        o di kaya ay utusan ng CBCP ang mag asawang yan.

      • Turono

        BAYARAN is more apt.

  • boldyak

    O God, our Creator, all life is in your hands from conception until death. Help us to cherish our children and to reverence the awesome privilege of our share in creation. May all people live and die in dignity and love. Bless all those who defend the rights of the unborn, the handicapped and the aged. Enlighten and be merciful toward those who fail to love, and give them peace. Let freedom be tempered by responsibility, integrity and morality.

    • acidicboy

       And also bless the people who have opted to stand up against the tyranny of the few, the influential and the powerful in their ivory towers and their bully pulpits who have chosen to monger fear in the hearts of the faithful by using Your name instead of teaching how to love like You did. 

      • Hunyor

         Amen!

  • andrew lim

    I was expecting a more substantial argument than “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture.”  Perhaps it contains more arguments?

    If not, then that is a dumb petition. Congress does not legislate culture, nor does the SC determine the legality of what is for or against one’s culture.

    If I am not mistaken, the filers (Imbong) are related to Atty Jo Imbong, a lawyer for the CBCP.

    • joshmale2004

      James Imbong is the son of CBCP Legal adviser Atty Jo Imbong.

      • Magsasaka

         baka naman tumbong talaga ang apilyedo nila hehehe

    • marionics

      you were expecting a more substantial argument????
      from the anti rh people?????
      good luck with that

      bwhahahaha

    • Jane Tan

      Because anything they put up can be easily rebuked by people who have read and understood the RH Bill.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

    sana binanggit nila kung aling provision ng batas ang illegal…

    • marionics

      mahirap kasi bumanggit kung wala naman he he

  • http://www.facebook.com/fer.gomez.547 Fe Zamora

    talo na lahat ang mga manok mo PNOY sa election
     

    • mari suli

      Nanaginip ka ba.Survey says majority of Filipinos are for RH.

    • acidicboy

      basta ang alam ko, panalong manok ni KFC atsaka ni Bacolod Inasal.  bow!

    • IsipPinoy

       Ano ka hilo?

  • boi skater

    This is a nuisance petition (aimed at wasting time, money
    and resources of the courts) and should be dismissed immediately. There is
    nothing in the bill that forces anyone to do anything that they don’t want to
    do. The abortion law in this country is still the same. A bill that was
    approved by Congress, the president and majority of Filipinos can’t be deemed illegal
    by the Courts.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6UL2UG4OGTMCLSYGB5MVJ7USE InSearchOfTruth

      yes, abortion is still illegal as per our revised penal code.  there are several provisions in the revised penal code that specifies the penalty for abortion, intentional or not.

  • boldyak

    the author is already defending the RH Bill, the news is about the filing of petition against RH Bill, and yet she did not write what are the articles being petitioned but elaborated the articles of the RH bill..the author should have written are the grounds of the petition….really shows the bias of this author…we are not to be fooled by the sugar coatings of these people..

  • Facile1

    Oral contraceptives is a DRUG that should not be distributed by village health workers  who are NOT doctors.

  • RubenPacino

    Nuisance and waste of time…..  Some people will do anything just to take the chance of ‘grandstanding’…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

     A 25-page description on how RH LAW mocks our culture. Wow, they must’ve been an excellent essay writer, they can expound even the simplest of ideas.

    With all due respect to Imbong couple, our culture has been mocked, and trampled upon by a lot such as TV, Radio, Magazines and especially the Internet.

    Besides, RH LAW does not dictate that all young bloods should take sex education, it gives them OPTION.

  • florence457

    You writers of this RH law were instrumental to the castigation of the Catholic Church by supporters of the law by means of your imputations in your articles that seemingly only the Catholic Church is the only sector of of the Philippine Society opposed to the law by only and ever stating their opposition failing deliberately  as a perception to balance your report that there are other religious sectors and believers of different denominations who are strongly against the RH law mainly due to the fact that it defies the words of God. go multiply and fill the earth.

    The Catholic Church isn’t the only religion opposing the RH law but many. Kindly investigate Ms Torres and you’ll be enlightened to learn of the naked truth and once proven, then rectify your next articles to include the rest so that the reading public and the Pros would also be aware of their presence as parties to be reckoned with in this polemic issue.

    News reporting as a general rule advocates truth no half or baked truth neither to peddle lies as a shroud to achieve the goal or be paid with a grease money. Be fair and impartial

    • tunderlulo

      Tama ka pati anglican, baptist at marami pang born again christian faith and kontra sa RH law kasi salungat sa turo bg bibliya

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

        I know someone who had an abortion, it’s saddening that she end up doing what she did.

        BTW, she’s a daughter of a baptist pastor.

    • Guest

       basahin mo ulit yong buong talata dahil nakalagay sa huli ang salitang supilin, tirada ka ng tirada kulang naman mga info mo.

    • Magsasaka

       Genesis 1:28
      At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y
      sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo
      ang lupa, at inyong supilin; at magkaroon kayo ng kapangyarihan sa mga
      isda sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa bawa’t hayop na
      gumagalaw sa ibabaw ng lupa.

      ayan yong buong talata, ano masasabi mo sa salitang SUPILIN?

    • Ed Molina

      the catholic church promotes natural family planning. doesn’t that also go against the “go multiply and fill the earth“?

      • IsipPinoy

         Good point.

    • Jane Tan

      The Bible also says Ephesians 4:15, Colossians 1:28. When you’ve read the entire Bible and not just the first few pages, then you can quote it to us.

  • $31552910

    The intent of the RH law is not for the genuine health and well-being of Filipino poor families and women. The text of the RH law lacks sufficient legal guarantees to protect the health of Filipino men, women, and children from medical malpractice and unsafe or substandard pharmaceutical products. A large market is not good for business when it is closed for business, like the ban on dumping of toxic waste. The RH law exposes poor Filipino families and women to what has been described as the “perfect crime.” The Medical Observer reported: “Among Filipino patients dying, not from their illness per se, but from unwittingly taking fake medicines, proper investigation and reporting of the true cause of death is usually the least of the surviving kin’s concerns. They thus become not only victims but unwitting accomplices to what has been labeled a ‘perfect crime’—drug counterfeiting… Asia is the biggest producer of counterfeit medicines, now a US$75-billion business worldwide, according to the World Health Organization. In the Philippines, the fake drugs are said to come from abroad and local sources.”

    Source: “Hidden Proliferation,” Medical Observer. March 2011

    • acidicboy

       ay… cut n face.  lol….

  • rayingga

    There is nothing wrong about the RH law, ang may problema ay iyong mga taong sarado ang mga isipan at ayaw tumingin sa kinabukasan. Kung kayo ay isang taong pangkaraniwan, sumasakay sa jeep araw-araw at nakikita ang tunay na larawan ng bansa lalu na sa kalakhang maynila madaling tangapin ang batas na ito. Ano ba ang masama dito at ayaw ninyong tumigil sa pag-iyak na ito ay iligal, imoral at bawal sa utos ng DIOS. Hindi naman lahat ng mga pari ay tutol sa batas na ito, ang tumututol ay ilang mga obispo na hindi ko maintindihan kung bakit hangang langit ang galit sa presidente. Mga obispo na sana ay huwaran ng kabutihan at kababaang loob, marunong umunawa ng tama at magbigay. Kahit na gaano pa kagaling ang pangulo ng bansa kung kulang naman sa financial hindi kaagad-agad maitatayo ang daang libong silid paaralan, isama pa ang sinira ng mga bagyo. Kulang at kulang parin ang mga aklat ng mga mag-aaral, malnourished pa rin ang mga bata. Bakit????? dahil ba sa may corrupt na opisyal? Hindi po sa panahong ito ay nakakalamang ang mabuti sa masama. Ang problema napakaraming ipinanganganak bawat oras at di naman lumalaki ang lupain ng Pilipinas at kakaunti ang inaani ng mga magsasaka dahil sa natural calamaity. Now,, balikan natin ang simbahang katoliko, The church itself is holy wala pong problema jan, ang problemang malaki ay iyong nagpapatakbo ng banal na simbahan. Look, alam ng mga pari at obispo na daang libong mga kabataan ang out- of-schooll, bakit? dahil bukod sa mahirap na ang mga magulang ay walang initiative na ipadala sa paaralan ang kanilang mga anak. Gumawa ba ng hakbang ang simbahan upang mabigyan ito ng solusyon? Ewan ko sa ibang lugar dito sa amin wala. Bawat parokya o simbahan sa bawat bayan at ciudad ay may catholic school pwede ba dito ang walang pera. HINDI pang may pera lang ang kanilang mga elite school.Way back sa 70’s pinaalis ako sa isang catholic school sa Bataan dahil di ko mabayaran ang tuition fee.Kayong mgagaling na mga pari at obispo tangalin na muna ninyo ang tahilan sa inyong mga mata bago magtanggal ng sa iba. Buksan ninyo ang inyong mga paaralan higit lalu sa mga dukhang gustong mabago ang kinabukasan, ang karunungan ang susi ng malaking pagbabago, huwag ninyong ipagkait ang bagay na kailangan ng ating mga kabataan nasa kanila ang ating kinabukasan.Marami kayong hinihingi sa gobyerno pero wala naman kayong ibinibigay. Sa inyong tapat at wagas na kalooban ano sa inyong palagay natutuwa kaya sa inyo si JESUS. Araw-araw ninyong tinanggap si Jesus sa eucharist pero walang epekto dahil maging kayo ay napasok na rin ng diablo.Sana lang mabasa ninyo ito.

    • Magsasaka

       pera ang diyos nila kaya ganon

    • napali808

      Iyan ang malaking panloloko ng mga obispo sa mga pangkaraniwan mamahayan, na sila ay may kapang yarihan na umabuso para sa kanilang kaginhawaan. 
      Ngayon ang mga parokyano ay nagising na. Tayo ay hindi dapat na umasa sa mga hipokritong obispo. Tayo ay may karapatan sa sarili at ating bansa, hindi sa mga malalaswang obispo na tungkulin ay magpayaman lamang kasama ng mga magnanakaw na opisyal ng gobyerno. Tayo ay dapat na magkaisa at suportahan ang ating presidente  at iba pang politico na talagang makabayan.

  • kulittwit

    Stupid petition.

  • tunderlulo

    Ewan ko yang sinasabi mong daang libong hindi nag aaral kasinungalingan yan punta ka dito sa baguio city at halois lahat ng mga bata ay nag aaral pobre o mayaman. Baka sa inyo yan pero huwag isama lahat

  • $31552910

    “SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance issued for free by the local Family Planning Office certifying that they had duly received adequate instructions and information on responsible parenthood, family planning, breastfeeding and infant nutrition. ”

    This section in the RH law is an infringement on the fundamental right to marry. Filipinos are being deprived of their freedom to make an informed choice. Women are being denied the opportunity to consult medical doctors or healthcare professionals of their choice on family planning matters to be eligible for a marriage license. Attending a family planning seminar should be optional or voluntary, not mandatory. Marriage counseling or family planning seminars in most churches and church weddings are not mandatory. The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Should boyfriends and girlfriends or unmarried romantic couples also be required to have a Certificate of Compliance from the Family Planning Office? Poor families and women are not empowered when their freedom is limited and their education is restricted to Big Pharma advertising or State indoctrination. True freedom is like having choices in attending public or private schools. The RH law is based on a racist and totalitarian ideology. It is a population displacement program targeting poor native Filipinos and their culture.

    • Magsasaka

       optional?kaya pala ang daming nagpapakasal na hindi alam ang pinapasok nilang pag aasawa at least kung mandatory ang seminars ay magkakaroon sila ng ideya kung ano ang papasukin nila, hindi yaong kaisipan na minana sa mga mangmang na magulang na sige lang anak magparami lang kayo ng magparami dahil iyan naman ang utos ng diyos

      • Jane Tan

        okay lang daw kasi maging tanga, basta “free” ka. okay lang na bumili ka ng pagkain na hinde mo alam ang ingredients nito, kahit may lason sa loob. basta “free” ka.

    • Jane Tan

      Executive Order No. 209, Title One, Chapter One, Art. 3 –

      The formal requisites of marriage are:
      1) Authority of the solemnizing officer
      2) A valid marriage license, which requires the following: NSO Birth Certificate, Baptismal Certificate, Residence Certificate, Parental Advice, Parental Consent, PRE-MARRIAGE COUNSELING, Baranggay Certificate, etc etc.

      Lol… “true freedom is like having choices in attending public or private schools”… you mean everyone has that choice? Are you an advocate of communism? Oh… you’re the one that likes using China as an example in your posts!!! Watch out, people!

  • Magsasaka

    pakawala yan ng simbahan at supurtado ng istupidong si garcera 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UYJ7WEKJVFRZGE54IGDAEQUJ34 Javy

    Journalism practices may have changed, but as far as I know, a news article presents the news,  It does not editorialize.  This article is an editorial in favor of the RH bill.  What intellectual dishonesty from a prestigious newspaper!

  • acidicboy

    I also think that past commentators who said that the RH bill would lead to in cest and bes tiality should also file a petition to the SC.

    you know, just for laughs. lol…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGLQQ2TTZF3BAWUHUWLFWVPZDE Vladymir

    paano naging illegal eh batas na nga yan ,meron bang batas na illegal?sus me.

    • rayingga

       He is referring to divine wisdom and not laws of the land

  • reychard678

    I am a born again Christian who is a believer. And as one, I had been opposing this RH Bill ab initio because it runs counter to my faith in God. I am fully aware of the health care program of the law which I personally say it’s an appreciable goal of the authors however, the use of contraceptives and condoms to limit the off springs of a married couple pushed me to treat it as an evil law. Had the method employed is natural birth control then maybe I’d kept my emotions closed and be silent.

    I am not a true believer if I won’t voiced out my belief against this matter in this disqus sharing. Believers shall always defend the teachings in the Bible no matter what the price is.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGLQQ2TTZF3BAWUHUWLFWVPZDE Vladymir

      Yeah and I’m James Bond.

    • acidicboy

       yes, defend what you believe. and respect the opinion of people that differ from yours. 

    • bong bong

      is withdrawal a natural birth control? if yes… how it differs from the use of condom?

      • Hunyor

        Someone here at elevation explained that semen is good for the woman’s body.  However, it is still askew to the topic on birth control.

    • marienkind

       this is too cute. :D

    • joshmale2004

      Natural Birth control is a very general term. Which of the natural methods do you accept?

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      Do not shove in your faith to other people’s throat. Keep it to yourself ! You may not need this bill but the majority need it.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ERN64IINJUN3BPQMZNKKHUHFI4 Critical

      You have the right not to use artificial contraceptives, it is your constitutional right. Nothing in the RH law mandates you to use artificial contraceptives. Qualify what do you mean by natural birth control? Doesn’t the word “birth control” unnatural in itself?

    • Hunyor

      How does the RH Bill runs counter to your faith in God? If you believe that family planning  using artificial methods is immoral and anti-life as Rome teaches then you are intellectually dishonest because using the same logic as the bishops’ in interpreting the commandment to go and multiply and be fruitful, abstinence is also anti-procreation.  Not all born again Christians believe as you do; rather you seem to be more an exception.  True believers, do exhaustive search of the bible as the Bereans did in matters regarding interpretation of Scripture especially the ones that at first glance have ambiguous meanings. And if that is not enough, the acts of Christ and the apostles are studied as the Holy Spirit leads through the operation of the various gifts. As a litmus test for you, did Christ or any of the apostles meddle in the affairs of Caesar’s kingdom?  Theirs was establishing God’s kingdom, yet with God’s power demonstrated in their hands they let Caesar’s government be even though her laws are amoral as they can be.  Being born again is not joining another denomination; it is a way of life led by the spirit of Christ.

  • tra6Gpeche

    This will be a good test of the legality of RH law. The
    petitioners’ reason is laughable and without any logic, though. How could this
    law “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture?” On the contrary, the RH
    law recognizes and acknowledges the very right of every Filipino women in the
    country.

  • valsore

    You cannot subvert the RH Law because it is the will of the people, and all branches of government in a democracy conform to that will.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SIMBAHAN KATOLIBAN AYAW NILA EDUCATE ANG MGA ISKUWATER KAYA DI NA MAWALA YUNG MGA CHARITY NILA LUGAW ANG PAKAIN ISANG PARAAN PARA MAKALUSOT SA PAG BABAYAD NG BUWIS SA PAMAHALAAN ITO NA YATA NAKITANG WALANGHIYANG OBISPO AT SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO PAG MASDAN MO GINAWA NI ATIENZA SA MAYNILA BAN BA NAMAN ANG PILLS SA HEATH CENTER EH DI DUMAMI ANG MGA BATANG HUBO SATANAS TALAGA SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO DYABLO!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OPF5CQBOH3PLBNIJZ6VS5HB7NQ Crank

    Dapat pag napirmahan na into law wala ng hihirit muna, be a good sport. A lot of discussion have been conducted regarding this. Pag ganito lagi, hindi tayo makakapagmoveon.

    • joshmale2004

      Agree. However, in every law that is passed, there is always a section for Separability Clause where said Law or a portion of that Law may be declared unconstitutional or invalid under a prescriptive period before fully implemented.

  • les21reago

     I suppose a LAW must be pass that a PETITIONER be made to FEE the accumulative time used by the JUSTICES and respondents in RESOLVING mattered petition when it is THROWN OUT by reasons moot and academic or of no moment, nuisance and whimsical in personal interest of a group and or corporation hiding in the mantle of public service and or for the peoples in general…
    These petitions ADD up to clog up cases and oftentimes use for self aggrandizement.

  • $31552910

    China’s one-child policy is voluntary according to Chinese officials. In practice, China’s family planning policy is very coercive and violates international standards of human rights. Incentives and disincentives, along with threats and actual force, are used by government officials, local family planning offices, neighborhood committees, work units, doctors and nurses, and public security to make women and their families comply to use contraceptives, wear IUDs, and undergo abortion or sterilization. The RH law lacks sufficient legal guarantees and remedies to protect and uphold the constitutional and human rights of poor Filipino families and women.

    • acidicboy

       ay oo nga pala. sa china ganun nga. grabe, buti na lang walang one-child policy dito sa atin. sige, hija, puwede ka na umuwi ng china. salamat ha. 

    • Jane Tan

      1) We’re not in China.

      2) We’re not implementing China’s family planning policy.
      3) That’s why the entire Constitution is there to uphold the rights of poor Filipino families and women, and not just the RH Law. Any one law can only do so much. State a country that only has one law.

    • marienkind

       Have you tried talking to an actual Chinese parent/kid?

      1. They’re okay with it.
      2. It only applies to major hubs. If it’s against your beliefs, you can move to a rural area and have as much babies as you want.
      3. If youre going to cite examples make sure it’s not just googled. It’s a free internet. Talk to people and get first hand impressions.

  • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

    “… because the law mocks the nation’s Filipino culture.”

    Gudlak.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    Sa tutoo lang,Mabait pa ang Gobyerno natin! Sa ibang bansa,even sa Italy na kung saan nagpupugad ang maraming Katoliko eh may sinasabing “CHURCH TAX”! Isa pa,maswerte pa nga tayo dahil we filipinos enjoyed religious holidays based on Roman Catholic? Malaking kawalan din yan sa bansa natin ang hindi magtrabaho ang mga tao dahil “Holiday”…Sa Italy,may sinasabi na Church Tax…..BAKIT HINDI PWEDE SA PILIPINAS? Tingnan ko lang kung hindi tumahimik etong mga Religious Communities sa pakikialam ng politiko!…Sigurado akong maraming aalis sa pagiging Katoliko sa dahilan na ayaw magbayad ng buwis!

    • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

      Parang sinabi mo kulang pa tax, sige tax pa, saan napunta ang taxes????
      Instead of free ‘condom & pills’  and ‘CCT budget’ why not improve the distribution for ‘free first aid medicines for  prevalent sickness & health care services, vitamins, etc’ Nationwide. That way there is substance &  essence, more often than always these needed first aid are out of stock if not never available to the middle class, the poor, the poorest of them all at barangay level or public hospitals???

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        Saan ba pwedeng kunin ang mga pinagsasasabi mong “free first aid medicines at pasusuweldo mo sa health care services?”…Gusto mo naman kasi,palaging LIBRE!…Kaya din nagkaroon ng sin tax na sinasabi eh para mapunta sa Health Aid..Bobo!

      • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

        Yan  nga ang dapat kaya nga suggestion ko sa  halip na , ‘RH Budget & CCT Budget’, pamigay na libre ng government  ay itigil na at paglaanan ang ‘libre first aid medicines’ na mas kailangan ng mamamayan dahil wala sa Barangay Health Center or Public Hospitals…..Magaling!

  • Roberto Duran

    Let the state do its job…the Catholic church should back off…haha, this is a proof the Filipinos no longer listen to the priests..gone were the days, lol…so now they have to go to the streets, get too involved in the states affairs as they no longer believe in prayers or maybe in their gods…if they believe in their faith, they can counter these measures with prayers lest trust everything to their gods…RH Bill does not force couple what to do…its an informed choice and catholic does not want people to be informed or educated…they want them to remain innocent…same with the bible, catholics are not encouraged to read it since getting informed and learning what the bible teaches means downfall of their evil kingdom :) 

  • kilabot

    would be interesting to see what each sc justice’s take on this. 
    lourdes’ psychological profile includes mood swings with strong religious undertones; 
    will cbcp arguments influence her as she projects a God-fearing attitude? 
    or her noykapon-fearing attitude prevails? 

    moreover, will the alleged tension among sc justices influence their judgment? 

    whatever it is, 
    No to perversion.

    • joshmale2004

      Since you started the year with a thinking that malice and loyalty of the judges will decide the RH Bill petition, let me tell you about loyalty in the SC. Noynoy have only 2 SC appointees so far out of the 15 current members. 7 judges were appointed by GMA (formerly 8 but Corona already out) of which these 7 judges until now still shows animosity against Noynoy and an inclination still to favor GMA. There are also 3 Senior Justices who were candidates for the CJ position but were bested and bypassed by Noynoy in favor of a new blood in Sereno. I expect these 3 to always decide against the interest of Noynoy after what happened. So if loyalty and not merit will be used by these judges and the way of their attendance in their flag ceremonies being an indication, about 10 justices will vote for the RH Bill as unconstitutional based on their past loyalty and animosity against Noynoy and not on merits of the case. Happy Now? We have to face reality that a New and cleaned up SC will only emerge once the appointees of GMA and the Senior Justices have retired and replaced with young blood. We are talking here of atleast another 5 to 8 years of waiting time. So for now, we are just pinning our hopes that these judges will really act like real judges.

      • rayingga

         You may be right, that is a big possibility. If i recall it correctly parang 4 na ang appointed SC justice  ni Pnoy. Nevertheless, each one of them posses a wisdom. Wait and see na lang tayo.

      • joshmale2004

        I can remember only 2 but not sure also. Anyway, if he Pnoy have 4, at this time this is not yet enough lalo na pag pinairal na naman ng mga 7 appointee ni GMA pagiging bias nila. We can just hope na sana naging aral sa kanila ang nangyari kay Corona and they will start getting their acts together.

  • AllinLawisFair

    The RH Law has scraped the skin of many members of the Catholic Church and some of its followers who blindly and unquestioningly bow and stooped low to everything that many of their bishops and priests dictate.

    It has shown their true colours. These bishops and priests should normally show the fine examples of humility and reason but when they are faced with something that is opposed to their dogmatic and stubborn beliefs they behave like vicious dogs that show their canine fangs ready to tear on the flesh of their prey.

    It took nearly four hundred years before they accept their mistake: that the earth is not flat and that the earth revolves around the sun and not otherwise. They charged Galileo with heresy for standing up to them and supporting the view of Copernicus. It was only in 1992 when Pope John Paul II finally accepted that fact.

    Some Catholics in this country still espouse medieval belief, the belief that stays as the major stumbling block on the road to peace and prosperity. Peace because there can be lesser criminals when there is lesser poverty, and when there are lesser poor people there can be prosperity.

    • acidicboy

       ironic that they themselves have become what the Bible taught us not to be- Pharisees.

  • Jane Tan

    I’m wondering what their case was about… because I believe that many of the pro-RH posting in these threads can easily dismantle their case…

    On a side-note… “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture–noble and lofty in its values and holdings on life, motherhood and family life” while in other news, 7-year-old child dies because of a Filipino that “values life” but unloads a firearm without so much as a care in the world whomever the bullet hits. If you ask me, our laws on gun-ownership and our police training are the one’s mocking the nation’s Filipino culture.

  • Roberto Duran

    Kung sa Italia may reproductive health measure sila bakit dito di pwde? Dahil sabi ni Padre Damaso? Sa Spain meron din nyan, sobrang epal ang mga pari sa Pilipinas ni walang ginawang tulong sa mahihirap…ni ayaw lumabas ng simbaha…lol…sila pa itong nagpapatakbo ng paaralan na may pinakamahal na matrikula sa buong bansa… they should be taxed… they exploit us…priests = child molesters…haha si Father nga pinakita sa XXX ng ABSCBN nag ba bar ang kumag….lol…sino niloloko nyo? ayusin nyo bakuran nyo bago kayo makialam sa problema ng bansa, ogag…

    • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

      Don’t follow the free for all Europe…Philippines is unique, conservative, close family ties culture and GOD fearing people!!! ‘Sa naniwala di na kailangan paliwanag sa ayaw maniwala walang sapat na paliwanag!’

      • Turono

        Spoken like a true DAMASO!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EGVHDQT7JEE4WDAWZFAZDNTFCU dominador

    The petition may be morally right but the people as respondents may not be the group responsible or to be accused which may lead for a case dismissal.  The petitioner seems to be telling a truth but actually doing a false move.

  • antiscam

    So it begins. This expected and inevitable. The quicker the filing to our Judiciary branch, the quicker the RH Bill will become fully legitimate. This petition will be surely be denied by our SC since this RH Bill is the will of the vast majority. Even our respected Constitutionalist, Father Joaquin Bernas believes that the RH Bill is constitutional and valid.

    This will complete the Trinity of Defeats by our Catholic Church. First they were denied by our Executive, then by our Legislative and finally by our Judiciary. Go RH Bill!

    • marienkind

       I laughed harder than I should have with your trinity remark. Touche.

  • antiscam

    So it begins. The quicker the Church and its proxies file a petition against the RH Bill, the quicker the RH Bill will become fully legitimate. The RH Bill is the will of our vast majority. Even our highly respected authority of our constitution Father Joaquin Bernas, fully agrees that the RH Bill is constitutional and valid. This will complete the Trinity of Defeats by our Catholic Bishops with regards to the RH Bill. First they were denied by our Executive branch, then by our Legislative and finally by our Judiciary. Go RH Bill!

    • IsipPinoy

       With the passing of the RH bill into law, the CBCP was slapped once. Matigas talaga ang mga ulo and they want to take the risk of getting slapped the second time if the Supreme Court dismisses the crazy petition.

  • wehd1nga

    expect more petitions from the Church, Christian groups and other Private citizens,only the Supreme Court the final arbiter can decide the questioned constitutionality of RH Law.

  • NoWorryBHappy

    James and Lovely Imbong and the Magnificat Child Development Center should not waste time and resources in this circus. They should put the money where their mouth is: gather all street children, those begging and sniffing rugby. Feed them, shelter them and provide schooling for them. They will make themselves believable that way. I will not be surprised in the near future if a cult by this duo will hit the headlines.
     

    • joshmale2004

      For your information bro, James Imbong is the son of CBCP’s legal adviser Jo Imbong. He is just a front of the CBCP as the Catholic church may not be legally allowed to file as they are not tax payers.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      shut your mouth! Supreme Court knows how to handle this. It does not need your idiotic views!

      • Count du Fount de Cakes

        FYI our mouths are shut… our fingers are doing the talking. So….. please… TALK TO THE HAND!

  • Ivlivs

    No one knows how the SC will rule on this petition. The CBCP, even if using proxies (James is the son of Jo Imbong, CBCP legal counsel), will be compounding its problems if the SC issues an adverse decision. The CBCP should believe what it says about gambling.

  • virgoyap

     Jo Imbong remember that RH is already a law and maybe only an Edsa style People Power will invalidate it from being implemented.  If it’s really true that the said law “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture” why not mobilize one? Let’s see if majority of the Filipino people will support you. Anyway this is a democratic country, as long as it’s within the framework of the law you are free to do whatever you want to.

  • marienkind

    Sure, let’s leave it to the people who make money out of lots of children’s education to call a population curbing measure “immoral”. 

  • whyinthisworld

    I only hope that supreme court will decide against the petitioners. Am sure priests are behind this move and therefore should not be given time, attention which could be spent to a more important cases pending before their sala . Emotions and even a million words can be written and said but it’s all useless and meaningless now that RH bill has been signed into law.

  • Jomex

    tax the Catholic Church!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/OWG7TEQM42UB2OFYCCB3DF4X7I Mat

      Good Idea…tax the Catholic church so that orphanages, half-way homes for unwed mothers, psychological counseling for battered child and mothers, livelihood programs, medical missions, etc. offered by Catholic church will be affected as well!

      • marionics

        the church can always pass on the tax burden to the parishoners he he

      • Turono

        Those are just a drop in the bucket.  And most probably are just for show.  TAX THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!

  • madlangpipol

    Gusto kasi ng mga Paring Katoliko mas dadami pa ang mga batang maging bobo at paglaki ay madali lang utuin ng mga pari.

  • Cool LahgotzMO

    Did these petitioners even read the RH bill? My goodness, these people are so stupid and brainwashed by Catholic leaders.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      or you have been brainwashed by your pastors!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Pastor ano yun? Ikaw lang naman ang tanga. Nagpapaniwala sa mga Religion na nangungutong lang ng pera. Gamitin mo utak mo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        who ask 10%? Pastor mong huthutero!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Uy bakit nabiktima ka rin ba ng pastor na huthutero? kaya pala lumipat ka sa katoliko. Kawawa ka naman. Masyado naman madali matuhog yung ilong mo. LOL

    • sanjuan683

      Correct ka diyan

    • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

      Instead of free ‘condom & pills’  and ‘CCT budget’ why not improve the distribution for ‘free first aid medicines for  prevalent sickness & health care services, vitamins, etc’ Nationwide. That way there is substance &  essence, more often than always these needed first aid are out of stock if not never available to the middle class, the poor, the poorest of them all at barangay level or public hospitals???

  • marionics

    uuuy nabuhay yung isang flip. nagising na rin bwahaha

  • Jay Ann

    Stupid petion, as stupid as the petitioners. Lets give James and Lovely Imbong a Pro RH Law welcome.. let’s start bombarding their facebook pages… shall we? 

    • acidicboy

       no, don’t stoop to that level.

    • Jesse_Bruce_Pinkman

      ok. give me the facebook page and i will fùck these people.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        may lightning strike you dead!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NKMLL6HD6WUINN5XQWNKKQDFEA Edwin Edwin

        You First fuck1ng mor0n

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        alam mo bang ang unang natatamaan ng kidlat ay yung mga ignoranteng katulad mo. Tatanga tanga kasi. Madali pang matuhog ang ilong. LOL

  • brunogiordano

    “This case will present the illegality of the Act as it mocks the nation’s Filipino culture–noble and lofty in its values and holdings on life, motherhood and family life”

    First define what Filipino culture is being MOCKED that makes the Act illegal.

    Is your definition of Filipino culture faith based or fact based????

  • Cool LahgotzMO

     Anong against the Filipino Culture?  Uyy sabi ng simbahang katoliko bawal daw mag jakol kasi you’re killing fetus daw. Pero ok lang daw sa mga Pari na mang molestya ng kabataan at magparaos sa mga kababaihang me asawa.

    • billy gunner

       ows? sino may sabi? si pnoy?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NKMLL6HD6WUINN5XQWNKKQDFEA Edwin Edwin

        sino may sabi? itanong mo sa bishop nyong nang-molestiya ng mga bata at kababaihang may asawa. nagbubulag-bulagan ka para pagtakpan kademonyohan ng mga Damaso nyo…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Body guard ng hudas na damaso yan si billy gunner. Sa pangalan pa lang hahaha. Sabi ng obispo mong madyungero at babaero.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      stupid comment!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NKMLL6HD6WUINN5XQWNKKQDFEA Edwin Edwin

        you are the one who are stupid. It is true and you know it. Fuck1ng mor0n

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Affected much? Ang puso mo Padre. Wala na kasing naniniwala sa inyo. For more than 2000 yrs pinepeke nyo ang mga tao. Sabi ng pari ang diyos sumasainyo ang pera, mga anak at asawa nyo ay sumasamin.

      • damatannapo

        @ mxscl …..love mo mga kiddie fiddlin’ priests? 

    • tarikan

      Bawal nga kasi mag-jakol kaya ginagawa ng ibang pari minomolestya ang mga sakristan at members ng choir o kaya ang labandera/cook ng kumbento. Kung hihintayin pa kasi ang wet dreams they are far in between katulad din ng paghintay ng rhythm. 

    • TEAM PNOY

      Ano ang ginagawa ng mga pastor? lima lima pa ang asawa.

      • damatannapo

        tsk…tsk  Mali na nga tatapatan mo pa ng isang mali

      • TEAM PNOY

        Salamat po sa pag remind.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        LOL pakialam ko sa pastor na lima lima ang asawa. Masaya, isa ka ba sa mga asawa? Uy bitter ka ha, kulang ba sa sustento? Mag sideline ka na rin sa Pari baka madagdagan ang datong mo. LOL

      • TEAM PNOY

        Bago ang taon, peace on earth.

  • brunogiordano

    “A plain reading of those provisions simply reveals the intentions of the Act to bring reproductive health care services within easy reach of the poor. By doing so, the poor become the primary targets of the state’s planned-parenthood policy—a subtle way of telling the poor that the state will subsidize their right to have access to modern methods of family planning simply because they are poor,” the petitioners said.”

    Sa paniwala mo illegal at unconstitutional.

    Subalit KAMI walang nakikita na ito ay illegal o unconstitutional.

    • billy gunner

       dahil mediocre ang utak mo! sino nga pala kayo?

      • IsipPinoy

         At sino ka rin na may mediocre na utak like the minority senators and congressmen who voted against the RH bill?

    • TEAM PNOY

      Hindi ka naman supreme court ano? Antayin natin kung ano ang sabi ng supreme court!

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    “…In a 25-page petition for certiorari, couple James and Lovely Imbong, on behalf of their minor children and the Magnificat Child Development Center, said the law “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture.”……..”
    Does this couple represent minor children? Where is the authority from all minor children?

    Mocks the nation’s filipino culture? Oh common…..culture is evolving throughout the ages. The culture of Maria Clara certainly does not fit the global filipino women of today. Which culture are you referring to then?

    What damage has the petitioners suffered because of the law? You have not even tried it… and I suppose you do not intend to avail of the services under the law either.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      zip your mouth! 

      know what democracy is?

      • constant_thinking

        telling someone to “zip your mouth” is certainly not democratic.

      • totan

        hahahah….. mxsclxmxn is eating his own argument.

      • rayingga

         tuloy mo lang yan atleast napapangiti ako sa logic mo

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/25UAHA74QQS5NENIA3EXO2A7PY Faisal salman

    James and Lovely Imbong sana mamatay na kayo gustong sumikat at magpasikat..walang iiyak sa inyo pag natodas kayo….

    • billy gunner

       ikaw na lang mamatay. iiyakan kita wag kang mag-alala! lol

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      you go die ahead! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    Baka kakandidato yung mag-asawang nag file ng petition at gustong magpakilala!
    Kaya na bang banggain ng Supreme Court ang Congress, Senate at Office of the
    President para ma grant ang petition for certiorari?

    • billy gunner

      Kaya na bang banggain ng Supreme Court ang Congress, Senate at Office of the
      President para ma grant ang petition for certiorari?

      what a stupid comment. only shows some people here got more balls than brains! lol

    • diamond_digger

       It may not be an assault or attack on those institutions but rather, has the petition some legal grounds to anchor on. Also, you may have guessed that these couple have political plans of their own and or they were just egged and made as front by some of the bishops and priests. Who knows really!

  • billy gunner

    it seems like  all the malacanang people are on hyperdrive here! good luck people! as usual, it’s high time you propagate same recycled comments!

  • mnlmad

    Tigilan na nga yang mga contra RH bill! Mga tuta ng simbahan ang mga yan.

  • joboni96

    “mocks the nation’s Filipino culture.”

    anong kultura ito
    ang prudish pero mahilig sa sex
    na colonizing western culture
    mostly catholic/protestant

    from most indications
    pre colonial pilipinos are
    sexually liberated

    no big deal for them
    di nga pinag kakakwartahan
    ang nakalabas na dibdib
    di nga napapansin

  • BawalAngReklamador

    Makapag-SAMPA’T-makapag-PAPANSIN lang.. tsk.tsk.tsk.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HOCSZLQBWVGXXI2NZJ2P7LMPHA Leond Yobar

    They want to be the hero of the Church! If that is so the yellow army will rally behind the reforms initiated by the govt.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    tsk tsk tsk…1, 2, 3 holly molly…lots are going to hell! 

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      Ignorance is not an excuse. You go to hell as well for being ignorant. Kawawa LOL

      • marionics

        naku ikaw pa lang nakita kong pumatol sa flip na yan

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/WDAV2VKWQ7PNDEXBXNQ3SXOABU Pidro Bayan

        You are as stupid as your pastor!

        Born again – is a person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by pastors which charged 10%!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        LOL.. assume too much huh. Born against ? You are as stupid as a pedophile priest. Brainwashed and ignorant people like you is the main reason why Philippines is poor. Uy sayang ang 10% na yan ha.. kayo naman nagpapaniwala kayo sa mga religion na magaling mangutong. Why don’t you airheads read the RH bill and understand it before you show your ignorance here. Kakahiya naman. Kayong mga religious daw mga OA. Neknek nyo.. saksak nyo religion nyo sa baga nyo. Religion is being used by CBCP and Pastors who want to get rich by exploiting ignorant people like you ! Magdasal ka na lang mag isa mo, baka pakinggan ka pa ng diyos. Baka mapalakihan ng konti yang utak mo. Sobrang liit kasi. LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Here are the bands of fake believers! Barking like stupid animals! 

    • Cool LahgotzMO

       speak for yourself. Zombie !

  • tarikan

    This is my first time to hear that a law is illegal. How come? I’m no lawyer but will somebody educate me? A certain law is illegal? Maybe unconstitutional but not illegal. A deed maybe illegal because it is against the law, I understand. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HOCSZLQBWVGXXI2NZJ2P7LMPHA Leond Yobar

      The check and balance is part of the process in a democratic form of govt like to question to the SC if the law created by the congress if it is in accordance to the 1987 constitution. That is PolSci 101.

      • tarikan

        Checks and balances, PolSci 202, I know that. What I’m questioning is the thing that says “RH Law is illegal”. Illegal? A law being illegal? It could be unconstitutional but not illegal. Illegal is against the law, unconstitutional is against the constitution. I’m no lawyer, are you?

      • Green_Latern

        Our Constitution is where our laws been made. If the the law created is uncontitutional, this is deemed as illegal.
        There is no law which is unconstitutional, therefore if this is uncontitutional this is illegal.

        I’m not a lawyer as well but engineer :)

        Question is if RH Bill is unconstititional or not. If yes, then it’s illegal.
        Unless, need to change our constitution.

      • totan

        you don’t understsand the simple question of tarikan…heheheh

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HOCSZLQBWVGXXI2NZJ2P7LMPHA Leond Yobar

        Read between the lines but not between your balls! -/$

    • rayingga

       Kaya naging iligal ay ganito yun,,, ang principal sponsor kasi ay RC iligal daw yan dahil taliwas sa turo ng Dios.They are merely talking about divine wisdom at di laws of man.

  • arpeelazaro

    epal

  • artz555

    This first petition against the RH law looks weak, and would not stand the scrutiny of even the ordinary person who is well informed.

     It said that the RH law ” violates the constitution which upholds the ideal of an unconditional respect for human life and aspires the formulation of policies creating opportunities to harness the economic potential of every Filipino “. The fact that the RH law upholds the illegality of abortion, that it uses birth control methods including the natural method, that prevents the union of the sperm and and egg resulting  therefore in no child to be aborted, and that it bans contraceptives that kills a fertilized egg or child in the womb of a mother, clearly proves that the RH Law unconditionally respects human life, and negates the accusation of the petitioner.

    Clearly, the RH law aims for a balanced population growth which would create more opportunities for gainful employment for every Filipino thereby improving the quality of life of everyone, compared to the status quo wherein a big population creates less or no opportunities for jobs for everybody, clearly proves that the RH law ” creates opportunities to harness the economic potential of every Filipino ” that the petition is seeking.

    The petition also states that the high tribunal should ” take notice the demographic trends of rich nations that are now ‘ frantically correcting their mistakes ‘ to cure their faltering birth and fertility rates “. Do you think that China which is now the second largest economy in the world, after the USA, is frantically correcting their one -child policy ? Not at all. In fact they will continue with this policy if they want to increase their people’s per capita GDP, which is what their new leaders are aiming for. 

    How can the petitioner know what the rich nations feel and think now, when their people have high per capita GDPs with high living standards in their low population countries ? If you visit these rich countries, or see them on TV or on the movies, their people are living comfortably and are relatively happy and contented, compared to  people in high population countries. These countries are maybe trying to ease their current problems by increasing their birth rates ( and importing only the OFWs that they need ), but their problems are far lighter and easier to solve than the problems that high population countries are facing.now and in the future.

    Having studied and anticipated these petitions, Congress and the administration, as Rep. Lagman has stated, are ready for them and would be able to prove the constitutionality of the of RH law.

    • Ross18

       Very well explain. Clear and concise. Mabuhay ka kabayan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    I guess the petitioners have filed the case at the wrong venue.. they should have filed it at the Vatican court.. hehehe.

    This will be just a waste of time for the SC if it will entertain such petition. It should be dismissed right away for lack of merits.

  • Cubano

    I cannot see how this law is contradictory with the separation of church and state provision of the constitution.  The physical well-being of the citizens is the responsibility of the state, not of the church.

  • damatannapo

    Quote  “Stands solitary but proud in contrast to other nations”  ……proud living in quagmire and in dire situation, pity us the poor Filipinos

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/65XR2V5MSRJXEXEHYTVUF5FN2I mykk

    Just ignore “PAPAMPAMS” Personalities… and “minute personalities”
    =P  ^^

  • sked482

    “The Filipino culture…  a treasured culture that today stands solitary but proud in contrast to other nations.”

    Says who? Our culture is a damaged culture which has often been faulted for our relative lack of development as a country. If there’s anything we need, it is a change in our culture.

  • Komentador

    Tanong ko lang, sino ba talaga sina James and Lovely Imbong at ano yung Magnificat Child Development Center? Asan yung mga numero unong against sa RH bill, bakit di sila ang nauna sa pag-file ng petition? If they have the balls to say a lot of things against the RH law, they should also have the balls to come forward and lead their cause..

    • joshmale2004

      Forget it. Yung mga nangungunang ANTI RH advocates ay hindi pupunta sa SC. alam nilang hindi accepted ng SC ang arguments na panay mura at yellowtards ang lamang salita. At alam din nilang panay mura lang ang kaya nilang arguments.

  • regd

    Imagine the circus if the SC will entertain this petition? Then each side will all be doing the TRO hula-hoops argument! PATHETIC DISPLAY of STUPIDITY by the IMBONGS!

  • dodong1

    Panibagong CIRCUS NANAMAN ITO…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5UOZM4PWIDKO7G64HL3PPMXUTM Constantine

    The Supreme Court Justices led by Arroyo appointees should not mess up with this RH law in order for them not to be impeached. This is just a simple warning!

  • d2yan

    I admire your courage.  May your lot increase…

    YEAR OF FAITH…..

    • joshmale2004

      It is not courage if he acts like one of a mercenary being paid to do a fronting job for the CBCP.

    • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

      Huwag mong i-admire ang kanilang courage, ang dapat hangaan sa kanila ay ang pagiging masunurin sa magulang.

  • gilbs72

    But wait… there’s more! :-)

    Quite expected. I’d be surprised if otherwise. This isn’t some insignificant little law.

  • joshmale2004

    If and when this petition is dismissed by the SC, what’s the next move of CBCP? Will they accuse again the Government of bribing the SC or they will call civil disobedience/

  • malek_abdul

    The arguments of the petitioners against the RH bill are not convincing. Their arguments has long been discussed and debated in both the senate and congress. After 13 years it was passed into law.

    “The petitioners said that Republic Act 10354 or the Act Providing for a
    National Policy on Responsible Parenthood and Reproductive Health is
    illegal and should be stopped.” – How can the RA 10354 illegal if it is already a law? Just asking!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

    Anong mocks our culture.  Just look at the poor and see how many children they have.  They cannot afford to feed their family 3x/day and in a few months buntis na naman si missis.  It may look that the poor is targeted by this RH bill and it’s just proper that these people get proper guidance on how to avail of means in curbing their number of children they can’t properly provide for.

    • joshmale2004

      Kasi ito ang accepted culture ng mga Catholic Bishops. Ang sex is only for procreation kaya okay lang sa kanila mag sex ka na ng mag sex for the purpose of bringing in new babies at hindi for intimate responsible and satisfying sex with both you and your wife.

  • juancrossofthe

    i like the post i read onetime in here and i will repost not totally but the contents… the Catholic Church is always talking about the plight of the poor and the children of poor famiies yet not a single programs of the Church are helping the needy.. thye run religious schools, pre-tax and they collect tuitions fee so expensively and they do not have accountability. how many percent of their schools form elementary, high school and college are giving free scholarship to the needy>,,you cannot i=enroll in any of their exclusive school without asking your financial standing first. if they are really concerned about the welfare of those poor kids.. why not use the church to house and feed the kids on Mon to Sat and use the church for worship on Sunday and all orphaned and abandoned kids will be given to them to take care of their needs?.. they only talk and care about their Sunday collections. Ever since the time of the Padre Damaso and until now you are still paying your marriage, baptism, thanksgiving prayer, funeral and other church rites as if you are buying them to be Christians. the Catholic church is the richest institutions that they can afford to settle/pay their ABUSES to the the USA to almost $1 billions..yes billion dollar….

    • joshmale2004

      I posted that last Monday. Not only are the Catholic Universities catering to rich people only. Even the Catholic owned Hospitals are so expensive that only rich and able to pay families can afford. This highly profitable business of the Catholic Church are declared non-profit organizations and tax-free with SEC.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OXAZFHCT6QUOIEVEKIIYT3LQIY Jose

      Shame on them….

  • Chris P Pnono

    panibagong sarsuela na naman sa S:C:kong patulan mga imbongs-

  • Count du Fount de Cakes

    hmmm… In my humble opinion, something that was made legal cannot be called illegal.

    • joshmale2004

      I second you opinion. A Law may be questioned as Unconstitutional but not as an illegal. The acts in violation of the Law makes the action illegal.

      • Ross18

         Agree to both of you.

    • speaksoftlylove

      You need some points to ponder. The Constitution is the basic law of the land. Any law which violates the provision of the constitution is illegal. For now, the RH law is not illegal because it is incumbent upon the SC to determine whether it is illegal or not. But the issue of the RH law being illegal or not is premature since the force of the law culminates after it’s publication to constitute “Notice” required in our Constitution. Hence, I don’t want to jump the gun to this couple because I am not sure if they are really well meaning Christians or planted by the administration.

      • Count du Fount de Cakes

        I don’t need to ponder because I have Google at the tip of my fingertips. Just go and Google “illegal vs unconstitutional” and you’ll find your answers there. :)

        If a law is proven to be not in compliance with the constitution, it becomes INVALID but not illegal.

      • joshmale2004

        “Hence, I don’t want to jump the gun to this couple because I am not sure if they are really well meaning Christians or planted by the administration.”
        To clear your doubt who is behind the petition, james Imbong, the petitioner is the son of Atty. Joy Imbong. This Atty Imbong is also the Chief Legal adviser of CBCP and the Catholic church. So, very clear, this is not planted by the administration. His petition is being funded by CBCP.

      • Danny Larona

         pari sa comment mo nagkasala kana. marunong bang magkumpisal? Paano mo mo nalaman?

      • joshmale2004

        Just read the facts. I don’t have to tell twice. And I believe it’s not a sin to tell a fact. Mas lalo naman sigurong hindi sila planted by Pnoy as alleged by spitfire.

      • speaksoftlylove

        To clear your mind, I don’t believe in “conventional wisdom of virtual realities” if you know what I mean, To me, it’s a grand charade perpetuated since time immemorial. They are all in it. So, don’t teach me a lot of hogwash. I have read your past blogs and you perpetually showed your despise to “conspiracy theories” but you deliberately concocted your own poison of a conspiracy theory. It’s you who needs to wake up from your nightmare, clueless imp!

      • joshmale2004

        If you are talking about this James Imbong planted by the Administration, then check your self as it is true that he is the son of Atty Imbong who is also the legal adviser of CBCP. What conspiracy theory are you talking about. This is a fact you can not deny.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Can not figure out as in not sure ! I though one got somekind of PINeal head. The petition is filled on the first hour after holidays pointing out culture as the crux of the matter. The petition is planted by the administration beyond reasonable doubt but it can never be proven of course. Only a 3rd eye can clearly see. In which you don’t posses… whei ! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Hooray for idiots like these wasting taxpayer money in an attempt to keep the Philippines in the dark ages.

    • speaksoftlylove

       What taxpayers money are the Imbong couples wasting, idiot!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Who the hell do you think pays for the money it takes to maintain the institution of the Supreme Court, you complete and utter ignoramus?

        Typical RH Bill advocate: thinks he’s smart but is really kind of a complete idiot.

      • damatannapo

        Baka walang TIN si Spitfire kaya walang kamuang muang kung saan napupunta ang tax (niya?) at kung saan naghahagilap ng budget ang pamahalaan natin para sa mga gastusin

  • joshmale2004

    If and when this petition is dismissed by the SC, what’s the next move of CBCP? Will they accuse again the Government of bribing the SC or will they call civil disobedience?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/35KQJ55UKEKIJDKLJRDSAHVBI4 Marc Austin A.F.

    Who are funding these two idiots [ couple James and Lovely Imbong ].  Poor only becomes poor and pulubis if they dont work and heavily relies on state subsidies ! I encourage those tamads to work ! and not use their poor children for wrong advocacies !  Wake up !

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OXAZFHCT6QUOIEVEKIIYT3LQIY Jose

      Who else..The CBCP..They are millioners…they are the biggest owneship of share of the biggest corporation in the Philippines.

  • joshmale2004

    Any ANTI RH here willing to expound and discuss the different Natural Methods of Birth Control the Catholic church allow and accept for its flock? I still can not figure out how they reject artificial Birth Control but accept Natural Birth Control. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      The only answer I’ve ever gotten from that lot is that one is acceptable because it’s ‘natural’, which is overwhelmingly dumb.

      I’d be interested in finding out if the actual justification is less stupid as well.

      • joshmale2004

        shows they are just paid bloggers with no direct knowledge of what they are talking about. So if you ask them for specifics as Natural Planning is generic, they start cursing every body.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        To be fair, I kinda doubt that the Church knows much more.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

      I think the anti RH bill wanted the natural method of birth control by using mga dahon dahon mga panahon ng kupong kupong while they dont want artificial birth control by using condom, pills or injectable.new technology eka nga the bottom line here is the same, the only different the usage prevention meaning bago mag mixed yong dalawang sperm cell mayron ng gamot doon to prevent them to became baby coz the couple have now three kids di na kayang pakainin or pag aralin ang sisi sa governo parin kc maraming mahihirap..unlike senator Sotto at Revilla they used artificial birth control knowing their wives already pregnant mga walang isip.  shut up anti RH Bill…

      • disqus_5fM5LCST0S

        the problem is many people say many things without first understanding the issues involved. for intelligent discussions one must research first like knowing what natural family planning is before commenting about it because definitely dahon dahon is NOT used in natural family planning. Since we are using the internet, research has become easier. Just type the topic and google search. Search also for the mechanisms of action, efficacy and side effects of the different kinds of contraceptives. Search for countries who have used them for years and see effects on their peoples. then you can say something intelligent…mind you, dalawang sperm cells DO NOT MIX

      • joshmale2004

        Correct. Because I read often of their argument and in defense of Natural Planning but when you ask them specifically what they understand of Natural Planning, they start cursing you. Natural planning is generic. The different methods used is the one need explanations by these people.

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Dalawang sperm cells, yung isa galing sa bakla siguro. Hindi naman natin siya masisi, kasi nga naman bakit dumarami ang bakla.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

        sorry for mixing you up but to expound what i mean…a cell or gametes from a husband and a cell gamete from a wife is a two cell that fuses with another cell during fertilization (conception).  I think through your intelligent discussion you should also look how to help poor people mostly the beggars in the street asking for alms maawa ka naman sa mga street kids mga rugby boy etc gusto mo pang dagdagan sila….

    • Arvin Malabanan

      The Church approves the Creighton Model and Sympto-Thermal Method of Birth spacing, for those two are Natural Family Planning Methods. Those two has a 99.8% success rate compared to condom which has only 85% success rate. The NFP methods respect God’s design of women’s body while the artificial methods do not. Since artificial methods of contraception do not respect the body of a woman, as it teach us to have sex even though a woman is fertile and we are planning to space children, then it reinforces anti-life and anti-child mentality so that when it fails, abortion is not a hard choice to pick. But, again, condom has a low success rate. Therefore, artificial contraceptives give way to abortion mentality. That explains why abortion is still rampant in other country, why abortion comes next after the promotion of artificial contraceptives, and why a former planned parenthood officials admit that the majority of those who had an abortion uses artificial contraceptives.

      Furthermore, sperm cells are very good to a woman’s body. For, if a man’s sperm cells do not regularly absorbs in a woman’s body, the man’s genes will not be recognized by the woman’s antibodies. That results to woman having pre-eclampsia. If woman has pre-eclampsia, it often results to premature birth of her child or worse, her death, as pre-eclampsia is the third leading cause of maternal death. Further, sperm cells, when are absorbed into women’s body, causes women to have a good mood. We can see that God’s design is perfect, as He is perfect. We see that sex, as such naturally, is a renewal of marital vow, a gift from God to married people.

      Furthermore, condoms can’t protect those who are sexually active from STD’s such as HPV, for HPV are acquired by skin to skin contact. And, the effects of HPV are genital warts, sterilization, and cervical cancer.

      • joshmale2004

        You did not explain how the Creighton Model and sympto-Thermal Method is done and how it works as a Birth spacing method. As I still find it absurd that the Bishops are arguing Artificial kills the unborn (they can’t even explain well what they mean by unborn) while the Natural is not, when both methods have the same objective of preventing a woman to get pregnant. Likewise, your statement that sperm is good for the woman’s body, only condom is the method that does not allow sperm inside. But others like IUD and contraceptives still allow the sperm inside. So contraceptives and IUDs should also be okay even artificial.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Thank you for having a desire to know what really is the position of the Catholic Church.

        Some artificial birth control method kills the unborn children such as the IUD and the pills. We know that life starts at fertilization, for a fertilized egg has genetic code of its own. Pills has 3 mechanism. To prevent ovulation, prevent fertilization, and prevent implantation. To prevent implantation is to kill an unborn, for to prevent implantation is to prevent a fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. But, IUD and Pills prevent implantation. Therefore, some artificial contraceptives kills the unborn children. So, on the contrary, the Church knows what the many biology books affirms.

        The difference is the morality of the means. Compare NFP and AFP to dieting and bulimia. Those who loose their weight by dieting develop virtues, because they develop temperance and patience, and their bodies absorb the nutrients of the foods they eat. On the other hand, those people who are bulimic take pills to loose their weight by vomiting and consequently, they only not absorb the nutrients brought by the foods they take, they are far from developing virtues such as patience and temperance. That is the same with NFP and AFP. You develop virtues and benefit the safeness and nutrients of NFP on using it. AFP are dangerous to anyone, even condoms just like I have posted above. The principle for this is that sex is for babies and bonding. Remove one of the two, you’ll see that it is not a healthy and moral sex. Remove babies as a purpose of sex, you may say that there’s nothing wrong with homosexual act. Remove bonding from sexual act, it will be anything but love.

        Since Natural Family Planning now has a very high success rate, the Catholic Church still warns her faithful not to have contraceptive mentally, for NFP can be abused. That’s why the Church teach that only those who have valid reasons to space birth, such as financial problem, emotional problem, etc., must use Natural Family Planning. For, as Pope John Paul the Great said that there’s no greater gift than you can give to your child other than a brother or a sister.

        Further, consider the effect on the morality of artificial contraceptives. It can be easily used by non-married people. But it is immoral to have sex if you are not married, for otherwise, why be angry if your spouse have an extra-marital affair? And studies shows that those who use NFP in USA has 70% lower divorce rate compare to those who do not use NFP, for in NFP, husband and wife communicates regularly, which is very important in marriage. The family is the basic unit of society. Divorce destroys the family. Therefore, it destroys society. But, it’s the government’s duty to protect the society. Therefore, government must not promote the use of artificial contraceptives which could make people kill unborn without knowing and which could poison the minds of the youth. But, RH Law promotes artificial contraceptives. Therefore, ASAP, the government must remove the RH Law. :)

      • Jane Tan

        I’ll be glad to change sides if you can enforce “The principle for this is that sex is for babies and bonding.”

        Otherwise, I doubt that very much.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Why enforce principle when it is called principle? Anyways, let’s grant your request, Jane.

        All natural effects of sex is to have a child and to be closer with the one who you had a sex with.

        It’s undeniable that sex results into making of a new life, a new human being. You may argue that some heterosexual acts do not result into children. That is so because some are like blind, for some are infertile. But that is not natural, just like beingn born blind is not natural. And that is so because God had made the bodies of women to be infertile in some days, so if there is a valid reason to not have a child for a moment, it is possible to do so.

        The proof that sex is for bonding is the presence of oxytocin. That is the hormone of love. It weakens the ability to reason of those who make love to each other and that is very good for married people so they’ll accept their love ones as they are. That makes sex fun and enjoyable. But it’s like a scotch tape. As an analogy, a couple is bind by a scotch tape. But once a woman switch to another partner, the tape must be removed first and then we use the same tape to bind the woman and his new partner. But, the bond is weaker just as a scotch tape that is used for the second time because of the effects of the past relationships to the woman, just as the scotch tape which is used for the second time has a weaker bond because of some dirt and things sticked to it.

      • Hunyor

        A bit convoluted but still does not prove that AFP is immoral and NFP is moral.  Using the same logic, NFP can be shown that it is immoral too.  If sex is for baby making and bonding, why is abstinence then allowed when nature was designed to have this principle being fulfilled during a woman’s fertile period?  And saying that free condoms will increase immorality is like saying that free kitchen knives will increase criminality.  The bishops are barking at the wrong tree.  Whoever uses condoms for unlawful acts are already immoral before any RH law in the same way that a criminal mind keeps a kitchen knife to harm irrespective of the law.  The bishops have bound themselves with a dangerous dogma that puts themselves in very lofty pedestals giving them the assumed authority to dictate that morality can be legislated.  Christ and the apostles did not resort to this kind of meddling (albeit God’s power in their hands) in Caesar’s government in confronting the morality problem of man.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        AFP develop vices and its not immoral?! AFP as a contrary to the natural law and it is not immoral?! How logical! Can’t you see it’s like practicing gluttony by vomiting again and again just to eat again and again? Goodness is to have a purpose. Thus, if something is against the purpose of something, it is not good. Just like what artificial contraceptives do. On the other hand, to say that NFP develops virtues and respect the natural law created by God does not prove that it is moral is absurd! It seems you just have a personal preference for AFP. That is not being honest. It’s just being honest to yourself. Because, you yourself is not the standard of truth, as truth is to be according with reality and reality is not only yourself but also the outside world is part of reality.

        You say using the same logic, NFP can be shown that it is immoral too because by abstaining, it destroys the purpose of sex which are babies and bonding. But in abstaining, you are not having sex! Therefore, abstaining does not destroy the purpose of sex. When you are at work you are not having sex with your spouse. Is that wrong? No! If your wife is menopause and you are having sex with her, is it wrong? No! Therefore, your objection that NFP using my logic would be immoral too doesn’t stand.

        Of course kitchen knife will not increase criminality because it can be used in good things. But condom per se, destroys the very purpose of sex. It is therefore intrinsically evil. As, condoms are only used for sex without babies. So, sorry, your analogy fails.

      • Hunyor

        Pretending to be wise but only succeeded in being otherwise.  Let us examine your crass logic: “The principle for this is that sex is for babies and bonding. Remove one of the two, you’ll see that it is not a healthy and moral sex.” Thus, your principle dictates these are unhealthy and immoral sex: 1) when done with a barren, or past child-bearing age wife, and 2) when done  outside the fertile period of the wife, etc because both conditions for a healthy and moral sex can not be met.  On the other hand, nature was designed that babies are conceived, and bonding strongest during the wife’s fertile period, but your church hierarchy favors that couples abstain from it. Now who is the immoral?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Oh, thank you for labeling me as the one who succeeded to be unwise. Anyway, let’s see if your objection stands.

        Let’s have some necessary foreword. When one does really sin? Let’s just talked about one of the things regarding sinning that is needed to show that your objections fail.

        One does really sin, when he/she intentionally plan or DELIBERATELY deliberately do it.

        Now, your first objection is that by using the principle of the Catholic Church that sex is for babies and bonding, that is based form natural reason, it will be immoral to have sex with a barren or a past child-bearing age wife. But is the one who had a sex with a barren or an old woman DELIBERATELY remove babies as a principle of sex? No! Hence, there’s no sin involved. It is therefore not immoral. Consequently, your objection fails!

        Okay, you’re second objection is about not having sex in fertile period. Did you really read my previous post? Answer me, when you’re at work and your wife is fertile, are you sinning?

        Now, your second objection does not stand, for if it is, then it must be said that abstinence is a form of sex. But abstinence is not a form sex, as abstinence is not having any sex. Abstinence therefore in fertile days of a wife does not destroy the purpose of sex, which is babies and bonding, for abstinence is not having any sex for the time being! Compare it to condom or even withdrawal method, which both condemned by the Catholic Church, because they destroy the purpose of sex, babies, while having sex! If you do not see my point, then you do agree that abstinence is a form of sex. If so, then everyone and every time, all are having sex! And that is absurd! HA HA HA…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        “The Church approves the Creighton Model and Sympto-Thermal Method of
        Birth spacing, for those two are Natural Family Planning Methods”.                       

        Aba eh sa tono ng statement na ito. Nalilito tuloy ako, kung sino ang makapangyarihan ang gobyerno ba or ang simbahan. Sino ba talaga ang nagpapatakbo sa bansang ito?

      • Arvin Malabanan

        The Church is the authority in terms of morality, for it is established by God. For it is written:

        And you are Peter, and upon this rock, I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail (Matthew 16:18)

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Morality? Tatawa na ba ako? Natatawa na nga ako dito eh. Why can’t they clean their own backyard first before they meddle the government affairs? I think you know what i am talking about. “Morality” ba kamo?

      • Arvin Malabanan

        St. Peter, the one whom the Christ’s Church is built, is not perfect. He denied the Lord 3 times even though he’s the one who’ll lead the Church. Even after the Pentecost, he was rebuked by St. Paul for being a hypocrite in front of Gentiles.

        And even in Logic, to prove that something is wrong on what a person is saying regarding morality albeit he break it sometimes is fallacious. It’s called To qouque. Therefore, you’ve just commited a logical fallacy, a deception. A smoking dad might say to you that smoking is bad. His smoking does not prove that smoking is bad, for he’ll reap the smoking’s dangerous effect.

        We can only be a saint when we finish the struggle here on earth. We might be sinner. But being a sinner now does not follow to remain a sinner, for we can try to be holy, and of course, it’s possible with the help of God, as God is the Holy One.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Pre.. wag mong sabihin yan saken, kasi di ako uto uto. LOL.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Okay. Pero hindi porke’t sinabi mo na hindi ka uto-uto e hindi ka na nga uto-uto. Ni-hindi nga risonable yung mga pinagsasabi mo e. HA HA HA… Pero ‘wag kang mag-alaala, halata dito kung sino ang mas madaling mauto. Hindi madaling mauto ang risonableng tao. HA HA HA…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Hindi ako uto uto at naniniwala sa mga pinagsasabi mo. LOL. Bka ikaw pa ang uto uto at madaling natuhog yang ilong mo ng mga OBISPO. Naku bro, more than 300 yrs na itong pinas na pinakikialaman ng mga katolikong espanyol.. walang nangyayari. Proven na yan. Ikaw na lang ang nag iisang uto uto na naniniwala sa mga kasinungalingan ng simbahan. LOL

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Nag-iisang uto-uto? Kasinungalingan ng simbahan? E bakit 80% ang Catholics sa Pilipinas kung nag-iisa lang ako na uto-uto? Sinong sinungaling ngayon? Walang nangyari kamo? Tinanggal nang Simbahan sa bansa ang sistema nang aliping saguigilid at namamahay. Maraming naitulong ang simbahan sa larangan nang edukasyon at syensya nung dumating ang mga kastila dito. Ang unang observatory ay sila ang nagtayo at marami pang iba. Wala palang nagawa ah. HA HA HA… Hindi maganda ang nagbabase ka sa hindi mo alam. Mga uto-uto lang ang nagbabase sa mga hindi alam! BWA HA HA HA…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Contribution sa science ?.. weeee kaya pala Earth is the center of Universe.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Wow kaya pala ang daming namomolestyang bata. Dahil daming reasonabling tao na pinagkakatiwala nila ang mga anak nila sa mga paring katoliko. Hahahahaha.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        lol and that church is Catholic Church? Tell you what! Religion is a tool to exploit and control people. Stop your crap. Don’t shove in your beliefs to others.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Reality is regardless of belief. Truth is based from reality. Therefore, truth is regardless of belief, of your belief. But that statement of yours is just a mere belief.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Mere belief ? you are one good example of my statement. Zombie tawag dyan LOL.

      • TotoyKalentong

        However the Second Vatican Council has recognized the primacy of an individual’s conscience on matters concerning morality. I bet you know the Bible is written by humans not even by Matthew, James, Luke and John themselves, but those who have received their teachings after these have been passed on from one person to another. The Gospel of Mark was written 60 years after Christ’s death with John around 40 years after Mark, hence there are a lot of inconsistencies. 

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Where in the Second Vatican Council that said that individual’s conscience is the main basis concerning morality, Maykatmon?

        The Holy Scripture is not the only basis of our faith. When the Bible was compiled in the 4th century, Sacred Tradition is used to determine which truly are inspired books. And, Sacred Tradition is the tradition by what is preached by the Apostles. When you love something, you’ll not forget it. That is the case of the Apostles and the Bishop. And let us not forget God. Anything is possible for God. Now, I said anything. Anything is something not nothing or no-thing. I said that because you may challenge me that if God can do anything, can He create a sqaure-circle and other contradictory things? But contradictory things are nothing or no-thing and hence it is not something. :)

      • Hunyor

        During my catechism days, I thought “Holy” traditions all came from the doctrines of Christ and therefore in consonance with Holy Scripture.  But when I searched the latter, it was revealed that not all traditions are beneficial (at worst even against the written word) and therefore must be discarded as basis for truth.  As in the days of Christ, he charged the Pharisees of making the word of God of no effect because of their traditions.  Jesus warned his church to be on guard against adulteration of his word in the parable of the tares.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        On the contrary, it is written:

        “So you must be careful to do everything they (Pharisees) tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. (Mt 23:3)”

        Therefore, Jesus affirms the authority of the Pharisee and hence affirm the authority of priests.

        But, priests and bishops are the successor of the Apostles. Therefore, they are the modern day apostles. And Jesus tolds us:

        He who receives you, receives Me. And he who receives Me, receives the One who sent Me.

      • Hunyor

        On the contrary to what? If you are trying to advance your clergy/laity religious class dogma using Matt 23, that is tactless.  The whole chapter condemns your brand of priesthood emanating from the apostolic succession doctrine. Your Judaizers have better scripture references, albeit not holding water in light of the doctrines of Christ and enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. The Levitical priesthood was established with explicit instructions from God to enforce the law of Moses. It is a priesthood dependent on ancestry and succession of priests.  Christ was telling the disciples to follow their teachings on the Law of Moses despite their wickedness because they are still in the old covenant.  Later, when the old is abrogated by the sacrifice of Christ, the disciples are instructed to follow a different order. “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
        The greatest among you will be your servant.”  The new covenant, the Law of the Spirit, is administered in regenerated humankind
        by the working of the Holy Spirit, not through a human priestly system (clergy) as the written law was. Now, for those coming saying they are modern apostles and priests, John has something to say: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

      • Arvin Malabanan

        I don’t know where I would start correcting your posts which is infested by errors.

        Matt. 23 does not condemn apostolic succession but it condemns hypocrisy. Therefore, what you said that it condemn priestly succession is wrong.

        Now, you are saying that with the help of the Holy Spirit, priests are not needed. Holy Spirit was given to the early Christians in Pentecost, even before St. Paul started to preach. But St. Paul preached by using written tradition, that there would be bishops, priests and deacons. So, how can it be true that priests are not needed anymore according to your erroneous reasoning?

        Further, the Holy Spirit is said to be the source of different gifts so that some would be apostle, some would be prophets some would be teachers etc. But priests are teachers in faith. Therefore, and again, the presence of the Holy Spirit does not eliminate priesthood.

        And yes, be careful that you do not indeed belong to false prophet. Who built your christian denomination? Only the Catholic Church was built by God, for it is built by Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to our first Pope, St. Peter (Mat 16:18).

      • TotoyKalentong

        I didn’t mention it’s the main basis, but it recognizes one’s conscience to determine what is moral or not. The One, Holy, Apostolic and Catholic Church subscribes to traditions, which has pagan origins, to the teachings of the Father’s of the Church whose logic wouldn’t hold water today. Nothing is impossible with God Amen to that, but let whatever belongs to Ceasar be Ceasar’s and that means let the realms of the state be left to the state. Let the Church shepherd its own flock and not the entire country where you have followers of other faiths. Remember Cardinal Sin was reprimanded in 2001 by the Vatican for his involvement in political affairs?

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Ok, you didn’t say that it’s the main basis but you said that according to the Second Vatican Council, it recognized the primacy of the conscience. Where is that on the Second Vatican Council now, Maykatmon?

        I think that the teaching of the Early Church’s Father is not the one which logic won’t hold water, but it’s your use of Ceasar’s case. For RH Bill is about life and morality. But life and morality comes from God alone. Hence, your mistakes become crystal clear here.

      • TotoyKalentong

        Check the encyclical Dignitatis Humanae by Paul VI and “On Religious Liberty” of Vatican II. You can’t simply turn the tables and then dismiss the argument without posing your own argument. That’s just what some members of the clergy are doing, using soundbites, dismissing arguments without giving a valid reason. You can’t have a cake and eat it too.

      • Arvin Malabanan

         You were talking about the primacy of the conscience, why talk about Religious Liberty now? And Dignitatis Humanae is not part of the Second Vatican Council, and therefore, you have failed again to tell the truth.

        What argument are you talking about that I had dismissed?

      • TotoyKalentong

        I didn’t mention Dignitatis Humanae was part of Vatican II, but that also explains the topic. The topic explaining the primacy of conscience is part of the text of “On Religious Liberty” and is expounded there, unless you haven’t really read through its text, that’s why you are wondering and concluding that I had failed to tell the truth. I suggest you read them, because if you have, I’m sure you wouldn’t have wondered or gotten confused.

      • Hunyor

        But the Roman catholic church is not THE Church.  Matthew 16:18 is interpreted in more than one way.  Only the RCC claims Peter is the rock in that verse, and his persona handed down by apostolic succession. There is a play of words in the original Greek that was translated rock in English, thus other early church scholars and fathers do not interpret Matt 16:18 the same as the modern RCC. Instead, using the context of the discourse between Jesus and Peter and the law of first mention in interpreting ambiguous verses, Christ is the Rock. The acts of Peter and the earliest Christians as recorded in the bible, moreover, does not show a strong support for the self-serving claims of the RCC.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        How did you know that only the Catholic Church claims that the rock in Matthew 16:18 is Peter? I hope you are not intentionally lying, for it is not good to do so. Feast yourself:

        William Hendriksen
        member of the Reformed Christian Church
        Professor of New Testament Literature at Calvin Seminary

        The meaning is, “You are Peter, that is Rock, and upon this rock, that is, on you, Peter I will build my church.” Our Lord, speaking Aramaic, probably said, “And I say to you, you are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my church.” Jesus, then, is promising Peter that he is going to build his church on him! I accept this view.
        New Testament Commentary: Exposition of the Gospel According to Matthew
        (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1973), page 647
        JPK page 14

         Gerhard Maierleading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologianNowadays a broad consensus has emerged which — in accordance with the words of the text — applies the promise to Peter as a person. On this point liberal (H. J. Holtzmann, E. Schweiger) and conservative (Cullmann, Flew) theologians agree, as well as representatives of Roman Catholic exegesis.“The Church in the Gospel of Matthew: Hermeneutical Analysis of the Current Debate”
        Biblical Interpretation and Church Text and Context
        (Flemington Markets, NSW: Paternoster Press, 1984), page 58
        JPK pages 16-17
        Donald A. Carson IIIBaptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary(two quotations from different works)Although it is true that petros and petra can mean “stone” and “rock” respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses (“you are kepha” and “on this kepha”), since the word was used both for a name and for a “rock”. The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368JPK pages 17-18The word Peter petros, meaning “rock” (Gk 4377), is masculine, and in Jesus’ follow-up statement he uses the feminine word petra (Gk 4376). On the basis of this change, many have attempted to avoid identifying Peter as the rock on which Jesus builds his church. Yet if it were not for Protestant reactions against extremes of Roman Catholic interpretations, it is doubtful whether many would have taken “rock” to be anything or anyone other than Peter.Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary — New Testament, vol. 2(Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1994), page 78JPK page 18Just type in google: Peter is rock quote protestant for example.

      • Hunyor

        There is no intent to lie or deceive but to inform. In retrospect, my statement is poorly constructed and basing from your feedback it failed to convey the message I wanted to say; my bad, my apologies. “Only the RCC claims Peter is the rock in that verse, and his persona handed down by apostolic succession.” This statement is supposed to buttress the premise in my opening statement. My first statement is in response to your post — that the Church is the authority in defining morality by virtue of her mandate given in Matt 16:18.  To my reckoning, many if not all,
        Catholic posters here honestly believe that THE church of Jesus Christ is synonymous to Roman Catholic church on the strength of Vatican’s interpretation of Matt 16:18. That is what I was trying to dispel with my crude attempt to brevity in my second statement. I should have said “Only the modern RCC subscribes to the Primacy of Peter and Apostolic succession in Matt 16:18″ but it is too condescending for me having no credentials to expound such heavy theological terms. I therefore, direct you to the free online encyclopedia (Wikipedia), of course with a grain of salt, for a quick reading on the two aforementioned theological terms. Search on the key “Primacy of Simon Peter” and read the whole article, and you are right — other churches have similar takes as the RCC on the Peter-Petros translation issue, but later diverged on the evolution of doctrines on apostolic succession. The bottom line is: is it apt to even hint that the other churches are not part of the Church just because they do not stand in line with the RCC  against the RH bill? Shalom.

      • Arvin Malabanan

         But RH Bill is not only a religious issue. The Catholic Church does not only use religious arguments, as it was shown  on her pastoral letter from the Bishop, it debunks the overpopulation myth, the myth that pregnancy is disease per se etc.. It is you who uses religion as the only basis to be for/against the RH Bill. And its obvious, that you being against the Catholic Church, is one of the reason why you support the RH Bill. But being against the Catholic Church as a reason to be a pro-RH is illogical, for it does not show how or why RH bill is good by being against the Catholic Church.

      • Hunyor

        You still do not get it, so I ask you now a direct question to make it simple.  To the best of your knowledge, do you believe that the Roman catholic church is the only church of the Lord Jesus Christ? Please answer just YES or NO. If the answer is NO, then clarify it in your writings so the names of the other churches will not be dragged on issues that the RCC is uniquely involved with.  Thank you.

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Yes. For, every other Christian Denomination can be traced back to One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.

      • Hunyor

         Well, thank you once again. One word is enough, no explanation needed. Be blessed.

  • ManilaByNight

    That Imbong couple are complete idiots. Even on TV they look like idiots.

    • KarlosRegaza

       You are the one who is IDIOT!

      • Turono

        Look who’s talking! LOL!!!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Paki expound nga ng hirit mo bro. Wala kasing laman eh, para ka lang basta makahirit na walang katuturan. Ok tell us why he’s idiot? 

  • magsasakasanayon

    under a democracy, even idiots have rights, too.

    • buttones

      True

    • joshmale2004

      True. and we also have the right to brand them idiots once they act like one. This is democracy.

      • Danny Larona

         like u also

      • joshmale2004

        Nope. Maybe more like you pare. Sumasawsaw sa usapan kahit di kasali. Better post your own opnion and let’s see. Instead of you just riding on comment of others.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OXAZFHCT6QUOIEVEKIIYT3LQIY Jose

    What are thy talking about…They are in a crusade of misinformation with “EVIL” intend. They are indeed IDIOTS

    • joshmale2004

      Don’t forget my friend. If these petitioners are idiot, there are also still 7 idiot justices left with the SC (formerly 8 but 1 is already out/impeached). They might make their own interpretation again of the Constitution to favor the idiot petitioners.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6NV2NIE62WV3JGIGCBB7LFZBX4 generra

    Supreme Court: A person has a right to choose what is best to his or her health as stated on the bill of rights and magna carta for women.

    and lastly, THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE STATE AND CHURCH!!! The law is not only for catholics but also to other denominations. Kaya nga thereis separation because the state  is follows the law of all people not just for catholics.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

     Imbong couple like the same with the other bishop and priest gusto nila mas maraming mahihirap para may mauto sila…SHAME ON YOU gusto nyo mas maraming nagkalat dyan mga batang langsangan rugby boy, snatcher akyat bahay etc mga walang makain, yan ba ang gusto nyo, tignan nyo sa mga provinsya mga bario isang familya 9 or 10 or more natutulungan nyo ba sila…SHAME ON YOU 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKS7Y3WBUOJPOMTYPCRXSKW7KM Franzeline Perdubal

    The Imbong couples are the bravest Filipinos I have seen so far. They faced the Herods, the killer of babies, of this country.

    Call them Idio ts but I look up to them for their courage and principle. For those who criticize  them, what principle are you fighting for?

    History will judge us Filipinos who the real idi ots are.

    • joshmale2004

      James Imbong the husband petioner is the son of Atty Joy Imbong who happens to be the Chief Legal Adviser of CBCP and the Catholic church. Do you think they will be brave enough to voluntary file the petition if they are not connected with CBCP? I am sure these couple were paid a huge amount to file and front for the CBCP with the SC because CBCP itself may be disqualified to file as they are not a tax paying entity. If the petitioner belong to another religion without friendly tie with the Catholics, then I call that bravery.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      History is written by academics, and given that academics are generally in favor of the RH Bill (because, you know, they actually think), so I think it is pretty safe to say you’re going to end up the idiots in the books.

      As for what principle we’re fighting for?  The principles of education for all, economic development, separation of church and state, and the right to choose how you live your life, all embodied by the RH Bill, and the principle of not wasting taxpayer money on ridiculous publicity stunts.

    • damatannapo

      Dapat siguro sa mga Imbongs unahin muna ang simbahan ng Quiapo, sankatutak ang ibinibentang pang palaglag at pang pa regla sa paligid nito. Franzeline kung Herodes ang hanap mo matagal na iyan sa may Quiapo, tabuyin mo ang mga iyon

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3EWAM33FLS7BQEFYPE4MCIY3ZQ DANIEL

       i like your comment not for its logic but am titillated with fools like you.brain dead.you are funny.like the bishops of RC church.

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      Killer of babies? Wehh di nga? Me babies nga bang papatayin itong RH Bill?  Naku iha basahin mo muna kaya ang RH Bill bago ka magpapatawa dito sa forum na ire. I bet you’re one of the bobotantes who kept electing movie stars in congress/senate.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DO7ACWCHNOOUPYEUWAEWXM5CDU TADA_SOLO

      We should thank the world of people like you it makes life more “interesting” cause you make us appreciate the rightness of the RH Bill. your position presents a contrasting Distortion and perversion of using your value system and principles which have not worked for 500 years.

    • TotoyKalentong

      Should we save every egg cell dying every month in the form of menstruation by making sure they are fertilized?

    • Jane Tan

      People are judging you right now.

  • florentino concepcion

    go, go, James! 

  • buttones

    “This case will present the illegality of the Act as it mocks the nation’s Filipino culture–noble and lofty in its values and holdings on life, motherhood and family life–now the fragile lifeblood of a treasured culture that today stands solitary but proud in contrast to other nations,” the petitioners said.”

    Well we all know what is being said in this flowery statement, but I for one would like an explanation as to what it actually means ‘cos I ‘aint got a clue, it means nothing at all- what is this? Some sort of reality show contest using sickly sweet phrases designed to invoke some sort of support?

    The only thing I can suggest for this unhappy couple is to hire a better PR guy- a woman called Lovely? I refuse to believe it….

    • Count du Fount de Cakes

      Just as an old saying says “Truthful words are not beautiful. Beautiful words are not truthful.” 

      • buttones

        Very true, the words of Lao Tzu are true today as they have ever been- the words mentioned in the article cannot, however, be described as true or beautiful they are simply the ramblings of someone, or some people who have clearly lost the plot, it’s like saying “in vino veritas’ translated means a drunken slob speaks the truth, actually I don’t think that’s true either, he’s just a rambling drunken slob…..Do so love the arrogance of anybody who can wander around with a given name called ’Lovely’ and ask people to take them seriously- OMG this is getting worse…..

      • ARIKUTIK

        Who can be more truthful than the one who’s inhibition is disenfected by alchohol But the law are imaginations of school lawmakers. The man of the streets speaks the truth considered as lies by the lifeless book of power drunk justices.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLHJUM5HDI55N2XFPHDY4TJFM irwin

    Shutup stupid fools! This is democracy. Wait until the Supreme Court decides!

    • joshmale2004

      Shutup stupid fools! This is democracy. Wait until the Supreme Court decides!
      Stop being a moron and study the essence of democracy. You are shouting “This is democracy” and you want these people posting comments to Shutup. You are acting like a tyrant. Personal opinions are just expressions of every individual and has no bearing in any way to whatever the SC decides.

      • speaksoftlylove

          To
        clear your mind, I don’t believe in “conventional wisdom of virtual
        realities” if you know what I mean, To me, it’s a grand charade
        perpetuated since time immemorial. They are all in it. So, don’t teach
        me a lot of hogwash. I have read your past blogs and you perpetually
        showed your despise to “conspiracy theories” but you deliberately
        concocted your own poison of a conspiracy theory. It’s you who needs to
        wake up from your nightmare, clueless stupid imp!

      • joshmale2004

        If you are talking about this James Imbong planted by the Administration, then check your self as it is true that he is the son of Atty Imbong who is also the legal adviser of CBCP. What conspiracy theory are you talking about. This is a fact you can not deny.

      • PhilippineSalt

        Applies to both!!! You are a MORON for contradicting your statements. Shut up can express and you do your moronic name calling too. lol

      • joshmale2004

        Then that makes us 3 morons in this democratic world and I don’t mind.What you did to us you did it to yourself too lol.

      • PhilippineSalt

        Hahaha Good one! MORON Fellow!

      • joshmale2004

        Hahaha. Kudos pare.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJW2CHZBIO7YZ6MK3KVALX4VM4 Jhonny

    Somebody from the SC should stamped Imbong’s petition that reads “Received and to be shredded ASAP” 

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    noble and lofty… did they mean ignorance and poverty… 

    • buttones

      It’s the same thing….

  • opinyonlangpo

    . . . and the 10 year old will be educated on how to have safe sex and not get impregnated, isn’t that too young? Anyway more health workers will be hired to distribute contraceptives. Its more fun in the Philippines.

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      Wow.. masyado naman no brainer yung mga hirit mo. Kung ikaw ay isang elementary teacher ituturo mo ba yang safe sex sa mga grade 4 students mo ? Eh kung baga kung  kumukuha ka ng kurso ng medisina di ba dapat me mga pre-requisite yan para makuha yung mga advance subjects. Susme.. Utak naman ang paganahin natin pre. Mamilosopo ka rin lang wala pang logic hirit mo.

      • opinyonlangpo

        I didn’t know you have your own version of the RH bill. Thats good, everybody should have their own.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      I bet you a 10 yr old knows more sex than you.  Even a 10 yr old girl gets pregnant these days.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Yeah, its true. Your mom probably is ten year older than you. Its really fun, nice law then.

    • TotoyKalentong

      I don’t know if you remember your childhood but at that age, your awareness of sex and sexuality is starting. I was schooled in an exclusive Catholic school and at that age having a Playboy magazine back then (early 90s) was a bragging right. We got introduced to sex education in Grade 6 (12 yrs old), in these day and age and the advent of technology, they can easily access these so it’s better to educate and “inculcate” in them what could possibly happen if they engage in sex at a very young age so 10 yrs old is just fine.

      • opinyonlangpo

        I agree. The RH bill is just right for the times, better to learn from school than somewhere else.

    • Jane Tan

      What’s wrong with health workers distributing contraceptives? You have something against health workers?

      • opinyonlangpo

        Those are your own words, your opinion, its wrong to pass it to others.

      • Jane Tan

        I’m not the one saying hiring more health workers is bad.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Hiring more health workers is actually good. More revenues for the government if more people are employed. Isn’t that great?

  • jga94

    “This case will present the illegality of the Act as it mocks the nation’s Filipino culture–noble and lofty in its values and holdings on life, motherhood and family life–now the fragile lifeblood of a treasured culture that today stands solitary but proud in contrast to other nations,”

    The law is illegal because of WHAT?!The petitioners must imagine themselves in Camelot or Nirvana or something….

  • john_constantine

    If culture is a basis for stopping a law  — consider that it was part of some Philippine tribe’s culture to go headhunting,  but that had to stop, did it not?

  • upupperclassman

    The RH Bill was duly passed by both Houses of Congress and signed by the President to make it a law. How can it be called illegal? Supreme Court should simply dismiss the petition. It is not even worth considering by the Supreme Court. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      It’s a nuisance petition. 

      • buttones

        Well a petition led by someone who has the audacity to call herself ‘Lovely’ does raise a few questions……

      • ARIKUTIK

         Noy AB does not respect ‘due process of law. Expect his swindling scheme in SC drama of RH petition. The swindling dictator will be exposed to the bones…. yeheyyyyyy……. go…go…go… Penoy.

      • upupperclassman

        I have difficulty understanding you. Do you understand yourself?

    • done_druff

      And if you read the article, the petitioners are relatives of a lawyer. Don’t you think these people did not consult the lawyer-relative? Think about it.

      • Jane Tan

        Its a vague argument. Actually, there is no valid argument – just a petition with a claim.

      • upupperclassman

        I read the article not just once but twice. The petitioners are lawyers and also their parent who is legal counsel of CBCP. In Philippines, the quality of lawyers is from A to Z, so where are we?

  • joerizal

    Sige mag-petition kayo, pero ipila niyo yan sa likuran ng kaso ni Ampatuan na hanggang ngayon ay wala pa ring nangyayari matapos niyang katayin ng walang awa ang mga taong walang kasalanan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DO7ACWCHNOOUPYEUWAEWXM5CDU TADA_SOLO

    Imbong actions represents the ultimate cultural dominance and hypocrisy that has not work the last 500 years which is medieval and very destructive in nature and carefully “crafted” as protecting the “value” of human life. It s a narrative held onto by the leadership of a clerical class meant to maintain their so called cultural imperative. Their actions shows their disrespect to will of the majority of the Filipino People and shows their characteristic self indulgent disregard of our representative democracy. It is a mockery of justice

  • willbillywilly

    RH bill is a mere freedom of choice!!! If you feel it goes against your belief , then by all means dont practice it. But for us majority of the public who are in favor, dont impose your will on us. OKAY!!! Its as simple as that.

    • done_druff

      If this is not a LAW then your statement is true; But since this is a law, and your money and the rest of the people whom you pointed who do not want to practice, but the government collect money from them, then where is the freedom of choice?!

      • Jane Tan

        In nowhere does it say you must use a condom when you have sex. Read the Bill then you can say something.

      • willbillywilly

         
        So its all right to use taxpayers money in providing for the unwanted children’s survival but it’s wrong to use the same money in preventing them from getting conceived. By the way, your Catholic church does not pay a single cent in taxes.Why not ask them to provide for these unwanted children.

  • Albert Einstien

    the INTERVENTION & FUNDING by the govt  of RH made it unconstitutional …because the government  is NOT allowed to DEPRIVED &  PREVENT  FORMATION  of  LIFE…in contrast the govt as mandated by the constitution is  to PROTECT & SUSTAIN LIFE especially the unborn…..condoms & contraceptives are STATE INTERVENTION to  PREVENT & DEPRIVED the formation  &  natural creation of LIFE..it isa TWIN issue of  right to life and  STATE PREVENTION, INTERVENTION & DEPRIVATION of the creation of life.. ..STATE INTERVENTION to STOP LIFE nay the growth of its race  instead of PROMOTING it  is unconstitutional, despicable & high  treason.

    It is unconstitutional also because it is  a CLASS LEGISLATION against a particular sector …the POOR..

    It violates the STRENGTHENING, CONTINUITY & IMMORTALITY of a state …it directly attack the GROWTH of POPULATION or ” PEOPLE ” as a sine quanon requirement of a state= people, government & territory.. a state will not exist without it’s”  people or population “..if growth is DISTORTED it will weaken the state & it will eventually perish….

    the law itself contains two titles PARENTHOOD &  REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH…direct violation of the constitution itself which STRICTLY mandates ONE TITLE for EVERY LAW…the intention of this doctrine is to AVOID rider laws..which in this case is reproductive health..

    • Jane Tan

      Alot of big words and paragraphs that show your lack of knowledge and failure to read our country’s constitution – all of which have already been rebuked by me in previous multiple posts without any answer from you. Tyvm for posting your nonsense again.

    • upupperclassman

      All noise and melodrama with lots of bad breadth.

  • Albert Einstien

    BEST LAW : FOI

    BETTER LAW : Anti-Enforced Disappearance Act

    GOOD LAW : DIVORCE

    WORST LAW : RH ( Republic’s Holocaust )

    ang INDIA at CHINA.. maunlad sila dahil malaki ang population capital nila…TOP WORLD ECONOMIES sila…economic predictions by 2023 china will be at the top..but india will overtake china by 2048….ang RH ( Republic’s Holocaust ) pakana ng mga DAYUHAN yan..ANTI-progress, ANTI-patriotism,ANTI-country,ANTI-POOR & ANTI -filipino..

    .UNCONSTITUTIONAL..ARTICLE VI Section 26 (1) Every bill passed by the Congress shall embrace only one subject which shall be expressed in the title thereof…
    .A bill must relate to only one subject matter which must be expressed in its title…AN ACT PROVIDING FOR A NATIONAL POLICY ON RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD AND REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ..clearly TWO TITLES….responsible parenthood & reproductive health..

    .UNCONSTITUTIONAL & it RUNS counter to its DECLARED policy..PREVENTING occurence of LIFE…by means of STATE INTERVENTION……which is sacred in our CONSTITUTION and as a nation…EQUALITY extends to right to be BORN ALIVE without STATE or outside intervention ..STATE funding the means of PREVENTION, INTERVENTION & DEPRIVATION TO LIFE runs amuck to the bill of rights..RIGHT to LIFE, EQUALITY & EQUAL PROTECTION … clearly USE & FUNDING of RH is a PREVENTION & INTERVENTION to continuity of life…….SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy Pursuant to the declaration of State policies under Section 12, Article II of the 1987 Philippine Constitution, it is the duty of the State to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution and equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The State shall protect and promote the right to health of women especially mothers in particular and of the people in general and instill health consciousness among them. The family is the natural and fundamental unit of society. The State shall likewise protect and advance the right of families in particular and the people in general to a balanced and healthful environment in accord with the rhythm and harmony of nature. The State also recognizes and guarantees the promotion and equal protection of the welfare and rights of children, the youth, and the unborn

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL……”SEC. 15. Certificate of Compliance. – No marriage license shall be issued by the Local Civil Registrar unless the applicants present a Certificate of Compliance…. . excessive requirement..the family code states that LICENSE to marry can be WAIVED & exempted..like in the cases provided in Articles 27, 28, 31, 32 and 34 of the Family Code of the Philippines, …. the same with wealth of jurisprudence… it runs counter to declared policy of RH law itself..about strenghtening of family… SEC. 2. Declaration of Policy Pursuant to the declaration of State policies under Section 12, Article II of the 1987 Philippine Constitution, it is the duty of the State to protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution and equally protect the life of the mother and the life of the unborn from conception. The family is the natural and fundamental unit of society. The State shall likewise protect and advance the right of families in particular and the people in general to a balanced and healthful environment in accord with the rhythm and harmony of nature

    .UNCONSTITUTIONAL yan..CLASS LEGISLATION against the POOR & FUTURE generation of filipinos…(o) Poor refers to members of households identified as poor through the NHTS-PR by the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) or any subsequent system used by the national government in identifying the poor. .& GENOCIDE of FUTURE generations of full blood filipinos which is INIMICAL to country’s interest & survival as a race….with the INTERVENTION of the state which leads to DEPRIVATION to right to life & POPULATION as requirement for STATEHOOD ..the ENTIRE gamut of the CONSTITUTION ( from art 1 to art XVIII) are RENDERED INUTILE & GROSSLY VIOLATED ……..

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL..the LAW specifically TARGETED POPULATION GROWTH of the FILIPINO RACE …which is a SINE QUANON requirement of a going concern,continuing & immortal STATE…” PEOPLE “…(people, territory & govt )…p) Reproductive Health (RH) refers to the state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, in ALL MATTERS relating to the REPRODUCTIVE system and to its functions and processes. This implies that people are able to have a responsible, safe, consensual and satisfying sex life, that they have the capability to reproduce and the freedom to decide if, when, and how often to do so. This further implies that women and men attain equal relationships in matters related to sexual relations and reproduction…

    SIGURO kung meron ng RH ng ipinanganak ang mga POLITIKO na pumirma dito..ABORTED ang law na ito…malamang nasa basurahan sila katulad ng condom…dapat ang TARGET lang ng RH yun me MENTAL & PHYSICAL problems HINDI yung poor at filipino race in general…

    GO PATRIOTic LAWYERS i-TRO nyo na agad ibase nyo dito sa arguments ko ABORTED agad yan RH…by natural death…ipasok nyo INTERGENERATIOAL INTEREST, PUBLIC INTEREST, CLASS LEGISLATION,RIGHT to life, equality & equal protection to all & SURVIVAL & IMMORTALITY of the STATE doctrines……..condolence RH….. : > )

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DO7ACWCHNOOUPYEUWAEWXM5CDU TADA_SOLO

      A classic case of distortion of grand proportion coming from perverted mind

    • Jane Tan

      Alot of big words and paragraphs that show your lack of knowledge and failure to read our country’s constitution – all of which have already been rebuked by me in previous multiple posts without any answer from you. Tyvm for posting your nonsense again.

      • Albert Einstien

        sorry but do i know you my friend ..please state your legal  argument if there’s any..you can always  post your position if you think you have basis…. not  just a general non-sense & low life knowledge of insults…….lol 

      • Jane Tan

        Yes, I’m the person who easily destroys your arguments due to your ignorance of our country’s constitution. But, for the sake of showing you up again and again, I’ll do it by paragraph –

        1) This isn’t India or China. Dare you walk the streets of New Delhi where even groups of people are raped? If that is what you want our country to turn into, please leave our shores.

        2) RH Bill – an act providing for a comprehensive policy on responsible parenthood, reproductive health, and population and development, and for other purposes. The subject being COMPREHENSIVE POLICY.

        3) The Bill is not killing because a family-planning seminar, no matter how evil sounding the title may seem, cannot kill a child that has yet to be conceived. A condom that reduces the chance of the union of a sperm and egg cannot kill a child that has yet to be conceived because the union hasn’t happened yet. And, by upholding the rights of couples (especially women) and by allowing them access to effective reproductive health tools to reduce mortality rates, the Bill, is in fact, saving the family.

        4) Marriage license is already a requisite in our Constitution for couples to get married. The RH Bill hasn’t changed anything other than to make the family-planning seminar more official.

        5) It is not a class legislation for the poor because anyone can avail of the benefits of the RH Bill. It will benefit the poor the most due to the “free benefits” but education-wise, even middle to upper class are still viable targets.

        6) I don’t see an argument, just random scribblings with rants

        7) You mean the poor people who throw away unwanted kids in the trash cans?

        8) Can’t be intergenerational interest issue because there are people from various generations who agree with it. Same with public interest.

        Again, none of your arguments/rants hold-up even to me.

      • Albert Einstien

        NO WONDER….i dont recognized you….not even a single legal argument & it’s all nonsense…it’s ALL bad AIR…my friend….grade one student can do more than that… lol

      • Jane Tan

        So, you’re saying you can’t put up a counter-argument that a grade one student can? How can you, when you haven’t even read our Constitution, read the RH Bill, or understood any of our laws. You might not even be Filipino, which is an good assumption considering the things I’ve mentioned.

        All you can do is add “lol” at the end of a paragraph that pushes away the fact that you don’t know anything. Sorry to tell you, my friend, people here know that you are ignorant. Stop trying to act like a Filipino patriot and actually read-up about the country if you want people to believe that you are a Filipino.

    • opinyonlangpo

      Wish you could walk the streets of India before saying how well off they are, poverty is also rampant over there.

    • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

       unjustified title.

    • upupperclassman

      More bad breadth

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

    Women`s group lawyers and other concerned Pro Rh must counter the anti Rh petition to the court, their minority voice can not be used to gag all of us the majority who wanted change…

    • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

       compromise is needed.

  • Arvin Malabanan

    This is our exchange between JoshMale2004. I’m expecting an answer from him:

    Joshmale2004 said:
    [Any ANTI RH here willing to expound and discuss the different Natural Methods of Birth Control the Catholic church allow and accept for its flock? I still can not figure out how they reject artificial Birth Control but accept Natural Birth Control.]

    My reply:
    The Church approves the Creighton Model and Sympto-Thermal Method of Birth spacing, for those two are Natural Family Planning Methods. Those two has a 99.8% success rate compared to condom which has only 85% success rate. The NFP methods respect God’s design of women’s body while the artificial methods do not. Since artificial methods of contraception do not respect the body of a woman, as it teach us to have sex even though a woman is fertile and we are planning to space children, then it reinforces anti-life and anti-child mentality so that when it fails, abortion is not a hard choice to pick. But, again, condom has a low success rate. Therefore, artificial contraceptives give way to abortion mentality. That explains why abortion is still rampant in other country, why abortion comes next after the promotion of artificial contraceptives, and why a former planned parenthood officials admit that the majority of those who had an abortion uses artificial contraceptives.

    Furthermore, sperm cells are very good to a woman’s body. For, if a man’s sperm cells do not regularly absorbs in a woman’s body, the man’s genes will not be recognized by the woman’s antibodies. That results to woman having pre-eclampsia. If woman has pre-eclampsia, it often results to premature birth of her child or worse, her death, as pre-eclampsia is the third leading cause of maternal death. Further, sperm cells, when are absorbed into women’s body, causes women to have a good mood. We can see that God’s design is perfect, as He is perfect. We see that sex, as such naturally, is a renewal of marital vow, a gift from God to married people.

    Furthermore, condoms can’t protect those who are sexually active from STD’s such as HPV, for HPV are acquired by skin to skin contact. And, the effects of HPV are genital warts, sterilization, and cervical cancer.

    Joshmale2004 said:
    [You did not explain how the Creighton Model and sympto-Thermal Method is done and how it works as a Birth spacing method. As I still find it absurd that the Bishops are arguing Artificial kills the unborn (they can't even explain well what they mean by unborn) while the Natural is not, when both methods have the same objective of preventing a woman to get pregnant. Likewise, your statement that sperm is good for the woman's body, only condom is the method that does not allow sperm inside. But others like IUD and contraceptives still allow the sperm inside. So contraceptives and IUDs should also be okay even artificial.]

    My reply:
    Thank you for having a desire to know what really is the position of the Catholic Church.

    Some artificial birth control method kills the unborn children such as the IUD and the pills. We know that life starts at fertilization, for a fertilized egg has genetic code of its own. Pills has 3 mechanism. To prevent ovulation, prevent fertilization, and prevent implantation. To prevent implantation is to kill an unborn, for to prevent implantation is to prevent a fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. But, IUD and Pills prevent implantation. Therefore, some artificial contraceptives kills the unborn children. So, on the contrary, the Church knows what the many biology books affirms.

    The difference is the morality of the means. Compare NFP and AFP to dieting and bulimia. Those who loose their weight by dieting develop virtues, because they develop temperance and patience, and their bodies absorb the nutrients of the foods they eat. On the other hand, those people who are bulimic take pills to loose their weight by vomiting and consequently, they only not absorb the nutrients brought by the foods they take, they are far from developing virtues such as patience and temperance. That is the same with NFP and AFP. You develop virtues and benefit the safeness and nutrients of NFP on using it. AFP are dangerous to anyone, even condoms just like I have posted above. The principle for this is that sex is for babies and bonding. Remove one of the two, you’ll see that it is not a healthy and moral sex. Remove babies as a purpose of sex, you may say that there’s nothing wrong with homosexual act. Remove bonding from sexual act, it will be anything but love.

    Since Natural Family Planning now has a very high success rate, the Catholic Church still warns her faithful not to have contraceptive mentally, for NFP can be abused. That’s why the Church teach that only those who have valid reasons to space birth, such as financial problem, emotional problem, etc., must use Natural Family Planning. For, as Pope John Paul the Great said that there’s no greater gift than you can give to your child other than a brother or a sister.

    Further, consider the effect on the morality of artificial contraceptives. It can be easily used by non-married people. But it is immoral to have sex if you are not married, for otherwise, why be angry if your spouse have an extra-marital affair? And studies shows that those who use NFP in USA has 70% lower divorce rate compare to those who do not use NFP, for in NFP, husband and wife communicates regularly, which is very important in marriage. The family is the basic unit of society. Divorce destroys the family. Therefore, it destroys society. But, it’s the government’s duty to protect the society. Therefore, government must not promote the use of artificial contraceptives which could make people kill unborn without knowing and which could poison the minds of the youth. But, RH Law promotes artificial contraceptives. Therefore, ASAP, the government must remove the RH Law. :)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      I believe you have valid points.  Hence, I also can see that you will agree with me that the things that you brought up here should be made known to every one.  Are there steps being taken so that our people could learn everything that you mentioned here?

      Will these be taught in the schools. at home, or by the Church?  As I said, everybody should learn these things, parents and children alike, and everyone who will be handling the job of sexually educating the people.  What is the best age for the children?  Ten could be too young, but it should be before 13 or 14…or should it be taught only to husband and wife.  In this connection, Church teachings also demand that sex should only be a thing for married couples.  Are they doing anything to cause marriage of unmarried couples, especially those having several children in and around every corner of every Metropolis?

      When we oppose any move, we should be ready with an alternative or proposal that should take the place of what we are opposing, with details on how to go about it, including pros and cons compared to the one we want stopped.

      I SUGGEST URGENCY AND CAUTION, as this move of the Church, whether you like or not, is giving undue advantage to traditional politicians to forward their selfish political ambitions to the prejudice of the electorate, especially the less educated ones.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        IF ARVIN MALABANAN DOESN’T OR CANNOT RESPOND TO MY SUGGESTIONS HERE, MAY I HAVE SOMEONE PREFERABLY AN OFFICIAL FROM THE ANTI-RH PROPONENTS, OR FROM THOSE WHO FILED THIS PETITION TO ENLIGHTEN US ON THE POINTS I RAISED ON THIS POST. WITH URGENCY AND PLS MAKE YOUR RESPONSE SELF-EXPLANATORY FOR EASY UNDERSTANDING.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        NAHAN NA SI ARVIN MALABANAN…HE HAD GOOD AND VALID POINTS…ANG KULANG NA LANG AY PAANO ANG NARARAPAT NILANG GAWIN PARA MAIPAABOT SA MGA CONCERNED, LALO NA SA KABABAIHAN, ANG MGA KAALAMANG IBINAHAGI NIYA SA ATIN SA KANIYANG POST.

        GINAMIT NILA ANG MGA PINUNO NG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO PARA LABANAN ANG RH BILL…AYOS LANG ‘YON…AYOS DIN ANG MGA PUNTO NILA…PERO, PAANO NAMAN NILA IPALALAGANAP SA MGA MAMAMAYAN, LALO NA SA MGA KULANG PALAD ANG MGA KAALAMAN SA ALTERNATIVE RESORT NA INI-O-OFFER NILANG KAPALIT NG RH BILL ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        ANG DAMI NA’NG IPINOST NI ARVIN MALABANAN, PERO NI HINDI NIYA IN-ACKNOWLEDGE ANG NIRE-REQUEST SA KANIYA IN THIS SPECIFIC POST…PARANG AYAW KO’NG TANGGAPING EVERYTHING THAT HE KNOWS WILL BOG DOWN TO SIMPLE BRAGGADOCIO OR KAYABANGAN…O MAAARING ANG LAHAT NG SINASABI NIYA AY KAPUS SA SENTIDO KUMON PARA PAKINABANGAN NG MGA NANGANGAILANGAN.

        NASAAN KA , ARVIN MALABANAN.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        HI…ARVIN MALABANAN, I HOPE BUHAY KA PA.
        O NALUNOD KA NA BA SA MGA HINIHIGOP MO?

    • Cool LahgotzMO

      Yeah tell that to people living in squatter’s area. You don’t tell people when to have sex. Sex happens anytime whether you like it or not, whether the woman is fertile or not. And that’s the sad fact here in the Philippines. So your NFP doesn’t work ! and it’s proven time and time again. Be realistic and stop your “Morality” BRUHAHAHA coz your church have more issues in that aspect.

  • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

    ” The government will also train teachers who will provide age-
    and development-appropriate reproductive health education to adolescents
    — youth age 10 to 19 years old.”

    10 years old ?
    that is too young for this education.

    • Arvin Malabanan

      The say that before one could marry, he must have a stable job so he can feed his family. That’s why education comes first and that’s why in education, things regarding specialization and things needed to have a job is taught there. Marriage comes next. But why is that, things are done in marriage, would be taught to the students?

      • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

         marriage is human right, can’t be conditional.
         govt job is to provide job, control population but not marriage.
        population control can be done physically, or morally.

        RH bill has to incorporate virtue of churches.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

        mag tigil ka Susan, ilan ba anak mo at kamusta naman ang buhay mo? kung ang sagut mo is OK then wag ka maki alam. Milyong pilipino ang nag hihirap dahil una d nila masuportahan pamilya nila dahil sa dami ng anak at pangalawa hindi competetive ang bansa para makapag provide ng trabaho dahil yung nos ng mayayaman + foreign investor + income nila is less than sa dami ng mahihirap sa bansa. Naiintindihan mo ba ha!

      • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

         marriage doesn’t mean having more children.
         if marriage is conditional, why the same sex ? haha !

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

        putres d mo talaga naiintindihan ano, yun nga ang purpose eh, hangggat maari d madaan sa libog ang future ng tao. Naiintindihan ko ang RH dahil mismo ako nasaksihan ko utak ng mga tao lalo na pag pumunta ka sa mga slum na lugar yung utak nila pag nag kajowa lang eh anak agad 

      • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

        the only nation is successful in population control is China.

        but China gets it done not because of sex education.

        it is done by education of people to marry national interests to personal interests.

        sacrifice is needed.

      • Jane Tan

        1) China imposed incentives and taxes.

        2) We’re not in China. Believe it or not, the majority of people living in the Philippines are Filipinos.

        3) Our countrymen can’t even understand the rule to forego shooting firearms during New Years, which led to the death of a 7 year old. How can you expect them to make such a sacrifice?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hence, get all the views we have in different churches and faiths we have in the Philippines…and, get also the views of every Catholic in the country, to make sure that each and every Catholic believer, and every Catholic Priest, support the same ideology that the petitioner is fighting for in this move.

      • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

         every opinion should be respected.

      • Hunyor

        Hope you know what respect means.  If after all the dissenting opinions had been laid on the table and a decision by the majority was made, does respect mean a never-ending meddling on the decision?

      • Hunyor

        Only the Roman catholic church is making the big noise for more than a decade against the RH bill on morality grounds.  The law is amoral, yet the RCC brandishing the name of Christ, are doing what Christ and his apostles never did in their time.  In establishing God’s kingdom here on earth, they let the government of Caesar be amidst God’s power working in their hands.  What a contrast these modern day Pharisees are from Christ and the original followers!

      • Jane Tan

        No one is stopping anyone from getting married. RH Bill cannot incorporate virtue of churches because there are other religions residing in the Philippines.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         “But why is that, things are done in marriage, would be taught to the students?”

        Why don’t you ask you Pedophile superior. Hypocrite much. LOL

    • Hunyor

       Really? If your 10-year asks how he came into this world, would you tell him a stork dropped him from the sky? 
      Better he gets a healthy education from your or, an institution (hoping
      they have qualified teachers) than from the dirt he gets from cyberspace or
      peers.

    • ThePattern

      fail logic. you live in the dinosaur era.

  • Genesis Amv’s

    Bishops should not interfere with political issues!!!!!

    • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

      Bishops are citizens too.

      • willbillywilly

         yes, but are they paying taxes and what happened to the separation of church & state.

      • Count du Fount de Cakes

        but they do not pay taxes…. they are freeloaders in a sense.

      • mamamia

        sinners too?

      • Turono

        Bishops are (NON TAX-PAYING) citizens too. There, I corrected if for you.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         No they’re not ! They don’t pay taxes yet they meddle government affairs.

      • ThePattern

        bishops do it their way and are beggars, pajeros ring a bell?

  • Genesis Amv’s

    we people support this law!!!!

  • Genesis Amv’s

    we need this law … we need people to be educated properly … in order to be an asset to the society not a “LIABILITY”!!!!

  • Genesis Amv’s

    we dont want to be an overpopulated nation .. they need to be educated properly !!!!
    we dont want people leaving this country overseas far away from families in order to support their family due to lack of jobs and certainly we dont want to see countless beggars in the streets ……. RH BILL LAW IS A MUST!!!!

    • http://twitter.com/SusanLalic Susan Lalic

       enforced volunteerism, as China does.

      • Hunyor

        Wrong!  The RH bill does not force anyone to act or not to act.  It helps to educate one to have a learned decision, and provide the means that are within the reach of the populace (especially the poor) to accomplish their learned decision.

      • Jane Tan

        I find it weird that you don’t want it to work like it worked in China yet you keep comparing Philippines to China.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

    itgil nyo na ang bishop bishop na yan dahil mismo sila kurap din. Sila ang first and last kurap na society sa bansa. Kurap na nga gubyerno san ba pa tayu, do u think kaya paunlarin ng simbahan ang bansa? nag uumpisa yan sa tamang edukasyun kahit kurap ang gobyerno atleast kahit paano etong RH na ito ay may pag sisimulan as long tama ang pamamalakad

  • Genesis Amv’s

    Bishops should understand the benefit of this they should not brainwash people
    ( like a recent bishop said:” It is Good to be overpopulated , It can be Gods call for us Filipinos to support other ageing nations” …. really did God even talk to this Bishop? …. he is nuts … they should not be close minded persons I myself a Catholic Support This Law!!!

  • http://twitter.com/maquirante Mac Ariel Quirante

    mock Filipino culture….hello..Buti kung kayo ang magpapakain sa mahihirap na mga bata…ok lang na walang RH bill..

    • Arvin Malabanan

      Progress is for the PEOPLE and by the PEOPLE. According to Dr. Bernardo Villegas, 400 Billion is lost every year due to corruption of both public and private institution. 200 billion pesos are pocketed by some of the government officials, while the other 200 billion are not paid by some of the private institution.

      It’s not true that we are overpopulated. The world now has a 7 billion population. But in reality, we can live altogether in Texas, USA, a single state with everyone having 1,000 sq. feet of land. For, we can divide the area of Texas by the number of our population today and we would get more than 1000 sq. feet. Texas, USA is just a small part of America, let alone the whole world.

      It is not true that we are having shortage in terms of food. Collin Clarks, and economist, told us that the estimated food that can be produced by our planet is for 40 billion people without inventing something for us to plant in the desert, sea, moon, etc. And if we live like the Japanese people, whom are also very strong and healthy, we can have 3 times food supply that can be produced from the available land in our world.

      On the other hand, RH Bill has so many disadvantages. It’s very obvious, for it harms the morality of a nation. It’s very obvious, for in economics, labor is an economic resource or factor of production. 

      • Hunyor

         Would you like to live in a Texas desert? 

      • opinyonlangpo

        Are you into drugs? Just asking because there is no sense of reality in what you are stating.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        No sense of reality you say?! But where’s your proof to say that I’m in touch of reality except for your appeal to emotion?

      • opinyonlangpo

        Ey somebody is appealing for emotion, give him a hug before a shrink gets him.

      • Jane Tan

        So many disadvantages… yet you stated only one, and that’s an opinionated answer – harms the morality of a nation. That’s your opinion. My opinion, like many others, says that being an irresponsible parent is immoral, condemning another child to beg on the streets or to end up as a sex worker is immoral, letting a mother die because she didn’t know better is immoral, that being okay with being ignorant is immoral.

        Lessening the number of child that are abandoned then ending up in either an orphanage or out on the streets begging, does not reduce our labor force.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Oh, is harming the morality of a nation doesn’t have MANY disadvantages such as what happened in other countries such as rise of divorce rate, rise of abortion rate, rise of single motherhood, etc. due to the harm inflicted on the morality of the nation?

        What you have shown is a false dichotomy. To not use artificial contraceptives is not equal to be irresponsible parents and the like, for there is a more safe and free natural family planning. As if, for you, that the Catholic Church is against family planning per se. But the Catholic Church approves the NFP. Therefore, it is not the case that the Church is against family planning and is for irresponsible parenthood.
        |
        Why not mention here what does the Church actually says against the RH Bill especially about artificial contraceptives? That artificial contraceptives makes you kill without knowing it thereby breaking your conscience without knowing; That artificial contraceptives promotes premarital sex which has many unwanted consequence such as guilt, fake love, etc.?; That artificial contraceptives such as pills, according to IARC is a group 1 carcinogen?; That some artificial contraceptives such as condom, instead of decreasing STDs, increases it, just like what happened to Thailand, which has the same number of HIV cases with the Philippines, but chose to promote condom instead and that it promotes false sense of security, for it really does not protect us from STDs like HPV, which are acquired through skin to skin contact, which in turn causes genital warts, sterilization and cervical cancer;

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Joseph-Limchoa-Fuentes/753006214 Ben Joseph Limchoa Fuentes

        All you’re saying is on Artificial Contraception. All the bill does is inform and provide, as you are so confident with your church, then you should have no problems teaching your followers to not use the methods that you find immoral. You all forget the welfare and healthcare benefits it provides to all women. To all mothers who cannot afford hospitalization for post-pregnancy related complications

      • Arvin Malabanan

         I’ll give you a cake. The cake is delicious and nutritious. But I’ll
        tell you something. It has a poison. Would you still eat it? That’s the
        same with the RH Bill. It has many good points, but it has a poison and
        that is, the promotion of the artificial contraceptives. Therefore, there’s nothing wrong if my objection against the RH Bill is about the harmful effects of artificial contraceptives.

        If something is more powerful than you, common sense tells us that we should not fight it, but run from it. That’s the same with promotion of artificial contraceptives and it promotes sins. We are not boastful holy guys who can overcome any sin. We admit that we are sinners and we should run from sin, as it is more powerful than us. If sin is not powerful than us, then it is easy to be a saint.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Yes theoritcally your NFP works, but it all depends on the couple. In reality, given the scenario and attitude of the majority. Your NFP is going to fail, Mga pinoy pa? matitigas ang ulo. Mapipigilan mo ba kung kating kati na yung asawa ng lasenggo sa pakikipagtalik ?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         What theoretically when it is already has a peer reviewed study in British Medical Journal that is has more than 99% success rate! Are you saying studies are just theories! What a joke!

        Kung hindi makapigil ang mga pinoy, dapat walang nagtatrabaho. Puro na lang sundot! Pero may mga nagtatrabaho! Kaya nakakapagpigil ang pinoy! At saka, 5 days lang magpipigil sa isang buwan. Tapos, 24/7 ulit na pwede. Mahirap ba yun? E ang dami ngayong mga nagbibinata na hayok na hayok pero hindi naman nangrerape sa loob nang ilang taon. Wag mong ibaba sa level nang pagiging tao ang mga Pinoy. Hindi tayo hayop. Parang sinabi mo na dahil mag-ssteroids naman ang mga nasa sports, mamigay na lang tayo nang libreng steroids sa mga players. Makahayop na pag-iisip iyon, parekoy!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        O sige sabihin mo yan sa squatter’s area. Tignan natin kung maintindihan nila yang gusto mong mangyari. Ang hirap sa inyo pinipilit nyo ang isang bagay na di naman applicable dito. Matagal na yang mga pinagsasabi mong NFP, me nangyari ba? Why do you think our population ballooned to almost 100 million? That’s because your NFP is a total failure.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Maging tapat po kayo. Matagal nang may NFP pero matagal na rin gumamit ang karamihan nang condom. At paano ka nakakasigurado na ang tinutukoy kong NFP ay ang gamit ng mga Pinoy? Ang Old Calendar method ay mataas din ang failure rate katulad nang condom. Mas mataas ang failure rate nang withdrawal method. Ang tinutukoy kong method ay yung Creighton model at symto-thermal method na 99.8% ang success rate. Tingin mo, marami ang nakagamit nun dito? Puro assumption iyang binitawan mo para patunayan na hindi effective ang sinasabi kong NFP. Pero ang mga binitawan ko ay mga method nang NFP na sobrang taas nang success rate na na-aayon sa British Medical Journal na siguradong na review na nang iba pang mga specialist!

      • Turono

        You better get out of that seminary or church or whatever and face what’s going on out in the streets from the small towns to the big cities of this country.  Give your head a shake! You are way out of touch with reality man!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Oh, please don’t tell me something that I’m out of touch of reality by just looking in some parts which are accidentally overcrowded. There’s no overpopulation but just overconcentration.

      • Turono

        Yeah right! Some parts? LOL!!! You really are out of touch!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Yeah right! Just claiming something doesn’t make it true! HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Yup! Tell that to yourself! Your claim that there’s no overpopulation holds no ground. Google densest countries and most populated countries and see where we stand. O halakhak pa Damaso!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         I’m not claiming it. I site some proof why is that we are not overpopulated. Being more populated does not mean overpopulation. For if it is, then how can you say so?

      • Turono

        Ang proof mo yung observation mo na sa Manila lang siksikan at sa probinsya walang tao? Ang galing talaga ng lola!!! Aral na aral sa gawi ng mga Damaso!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Naku, hindi pinansin yung main post ko na nireplyan mo na nakasaad ang mga observation nang tunay na economist tulad ni Collin Clarks at ni Dr. Bernardo Villegas. HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Pick and choose tactics!  Give me somebody more independent and I’ll believe you. 

      • Arvin Malabanan

         [Pick and choose tactics!  Give me somebody more independent and I'll believe you. ]

        You’re the one who uses pick and choose tactics, Turono! Because, why don’t you accept what Collin Clarks say? Why not PICK him and instead, pick others? See? You’re the one who REALLY uses pick and choose tactics! Hypocrite!

      • Turono

        I didn’t give any specifics so why did I pick and choose again?

      • Turono

        Ikaw ang nagbigay ng sources mo kuno hindi ako.  Wala akong ibinigay na specific source galing mo talagang mambaluktot ng katotohanan ano? Ikaw ang HIPOKRITO!!!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        [I didn't give any specifics so why did I pick and choose again?]

        That is, you don’t have any reason to deny what Collin Clarks and Dr. Bernardo Villegas, who are both economists and therefore competent on what they are saying, have said. Why not accept what they say without any good reason and then ask for other independent source? Therefore, you are the one who pick  and choose here!

        To say that I’m the one who pick and choose here by just referencing a source is absurd! What did I not pick? If I really did pick and choose, I should have not pick something or avoid something intentionally, just like what you did! HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Baluktot lahat ng LOGIC mo beks!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        [Baluktot lahat ng LOGIC mo beks]

        Ikaw ang baluktot ang logic, kasi nga hindi ka makagawa nang isang argument. HA HA HA…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Morality is his favorite word. LOL ! Well speaking of “MORALITY”,  What is immoral to your church may not be immoral to other people’s opinion. If PEDOPHILIA is not IMMORAL to your church then I don’t know what is the moral standard of RC. Hypocrisy at its best. Practice what you preached b 1 t c h.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        We practice what we believe. What about your cursing being practiced here? Is that what you believe?

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Pedophilia is happening inside your “CHURCH”. What’s with small kids that your Priests love so much? Is that part of your Church dogma? LOL

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Thank you for asking if pedophilia is part of the Church dogma. Do you admit that it is not? Pedophilia is wrong. That’s why the Church does not cease to be Holy even though some members of the Church are sinner, for the Catholic Church is a Holy Church not because of its people but because of God, for the Catholic Church was built by God and God is Holy.

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        So you admit that it’s wrong/immoral, then why your church is coddling those sexual predator Priests? And they are even willing to pay the damages in Millions of dollars? So what’s up with that?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Because they are free! They are not robots. But not all do evil things like what you are saying. Why don’t you pray for them that they change, that others who plan to do a child molestation will not do it and that justice would be served?

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Cursing practice huh.. Uy Hypocrite ka masyado. Wag mong sabihin hindi ka nagmura sa buong buhay mo. Ang OA mo naman bro. Kaya kayo tinitira kasi nagmamalinis kayo masyado bulok naman. LOL

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Oh, Christian ka ba? Ang Panginoong Hesu-Kristo ay nakisama sa makasalanan sapagkat maari pa silang magbago. Iba ang makasalanan sa kasalanan. Love the sinners but hate the sins!

      • Turono

        Narinig ko na yang mga litanya na yan ah. Ah alam ko na! Sa mga members ng Westboro Baptist Church! Honorary member ka ba dun? Galing galing :)))

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Catholic ako, no!

      • Turono

        [Catholic ako, no!] Ang taray ng lola!

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Nagbanal banalan ka na naman ! wag mong ilihis ang issue..Hindi ka ba nagmura sa buong buhay mo?  Yan ang problema sa inyong mga nagbanal banalan, kunwari di makabasag pinggan. Tingnan mo na lang yang mga sexual predators nyong kaparian at mga Sinungaling nyong mga Pajero Bishops.

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Wala naman akong sinabi na hindi ako nagmura e. Nililihis mo ang issue ah.

        FYI, napatunayan na mali ang mga nag-akusa sa Pajero Bishops. Wala silang nakuhang Pajero. Nagsorry pa ang mga nag-akusa sa kanila. HA HA HA…

      • Cool LahgotzMO

        Nag sorry ba? gumagawa ka na naman ang balita LOL. Walang nakuhang pajero, montero lang naman. Iba ka talaga mag sinungaling, ang ganda lang naman ng montero na sinuli ng bishop dito sa amin. At naka parking pa sa parking lot ng PCSO. Tinakpan pa para di mahalata ng mga tao. Yan bang walang nakuha? Oo nga naman di pajero.. montero lang naman. Patawa ka, you can deny all you want. But i see it in my own eyes. Stop your lies. LOL

      • Cool LahgotzMO

         Nag sorry ba? gumagawa ka na naman ang balita LOL. Walang nakuhang
        pajero, montero lang naman. Iba ka talaga mag sinungaling, ang ganda
        lang naman ng montero na sinuli ng bishop dito sa amin. At naka parking
        pa sa parking lot ng PCSO. Tinakpan pa para di mahalata ng mga tao. Yan
        bang walang nakuha? Oo nga naman di pajero.. montero lang naman. Patawa
        ka, you can deny all you want. But i saw it in my own eyes. Stop your
        lies. LOL

      • ThePattern

        morality my a s s ! yung mga pari may moral pa ba? 

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Nakadepende ba sa “ilang” imoral na pari ang iyong morality? Love the sinners but hate the sin!

      • Turono

        Moral ka kuno pero spreading lies and half truths LOL! Like a true DAMASO!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Prove that I spread lies and half truths!

      • Turono

        DAMASO!!!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Emotional hater! Set yourself with the help of Truth, with the help of God.

      • Turono

        Hindi ako naniniwala sa version mo ng Truth at sa pinaniniwalaan mong God LOL!!!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         E bakit hinde?! Maging risonable ka.

      • Turono

        [E bakit hinde?! Maging risonable ka.] – Umasa ka pang sagutin kita lol!

      • JONGsKIE777

        Dude, you need to stop staring at the monitor and go out. you’ll see.. 

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Just by going out is not enough. You may accidentally see many people and overcrowding, but that may not be true, as it seems that we are overpopulated by seeing people in Manila but when we go to province, there are fewer people.

      • Turono

        Sinungaling ka!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Patunayan mo!

      • Turono

        Liar!!! Sige pa keep spreading lies, yan naman ang forte nyong mga Damaso, ang pagsisinungaling!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Hindi ko sinabi na ulitin mo yung sinasabi mo na nagsisinungaling ako. Ang sabi ko, patunayan mo na nagsisinungaling ako. :)

      • Turono

        Hindi na kailangan ang patunay. Halos lahat ng pinagsasasabi mo puro kasinungalingan. Manlilinlang! Tunay ka ngang DAMASO!!!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Wala e. Inulit mo lang e. HA HA HA… E ang masama nun, hindi naman talaga ako nagsisinungaling dito eh. Kaya, lumalabas kung sino ang tunay na sinungaling dito.

      • Turono

        Sinong nagsabing hindi ka nagsisinungaling? Ikaw? LOL!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        [Sinong nagsabing hindi ka nagsisinungaling? Ikaw? LOL!]

        Ang sabi ko: hindi ako nag sisinungaling DITO. Kung nag sisinungaling ako DITO, patunayan mo! HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Halakhak Damaso pa o!

      • Turono

        Eh puro kabobohan naman tong mga arguments mo hija! Pa source source kapa sabay twist ng logic. Engot!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Paano naging kabobohan ang argument ko? Paanong sabay twist sa logic?! Nag-iimbento ka na naman e. Kapag hinamon na patunayan ang sinasabi mo, aayaw ka naman at puro trash talk!

      • Turono

        Sige ha kapag wala ng arable land sa maliit na bansang Pilipinas doon mo pagtanimin sa south america ang mga pinoy.  Logic mo kasi malaki ang mundo hindi magkaka shortage ng pagkain.  Ang tanong eh pwede ba tayong mga Pilipinong mag-araro sa ibang bansa? Asan na ngayon yang Collin Clark mo?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Turono, ikaw ang may baluktot na logic. Paano mo nasabi na dahil ginamit ko ang buong mundo, e maliit na ang Pilipinas at nagkukulang na tayo sa resources? Alam mo ba ang tawaq diyan sa pagkakamali mo sa logic na hindi nagcoconnect ang conclusion mo at premise? Ang tawag diyan ay “non-sequitur”! Nakakahiya! HA HA HA… Magbigay ka nang ebidensya na kailangan na natin magtanim sa ibang bansa para masabi mo na kulang ang Pinas para sa mga tao natin. E nakakapagexport pa nga tayo e. HA HA HA… Try again, dakilang trash talker!

      • Turono

        Buhol buhol na mga arguments mo tita hindi mo na alam ang pinagsasasabi mo. Exporter tayo ng ano? Saging? Paano na ang bigas? Hindi ba number one importer tayo ng bigas, ang main staple nating mga Pilipino? Ikaw ang nakakahiya sa balubaluktot mong logic. isa kang dakilang engot!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Buhol buhol ang argument ko kamo? Patunayan mo! Puro ka bintang eh!

        Malinaw na malinaw na sinbi ko na hindi patunay sa konklusyon na maliit lamang ang Pilipinas at ito ay nagkukulang sa resources katulad nang sabi mo,  ang pagsabi ko na ang pag-gamit ko lang nang kaso ng buong mundo bilang ebidensya.

        At palpak ang pangangatwiran mo na porke importer tayo nang bigas e, overpopulated na tayo. Yung mga tinuturi mong bansa na hindi overpopulated dahil lang mababa ang fertility rate nila, katulad nang Thailand, e madami din ang iniimport na bigas! HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Buhol buhol ate!

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Ah! Wala nang maisagot. Puro bintang ka na lang nang “buhol-buhol”. HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Nakakapagod ang katangahan mo Becky! Yoko na.

      • Turono

        At isa pa, kung di ka nga isang bobo’t kalahating talaga, sabi ko kapag (if) wala ng arable land, hindi ko sinabi kailangan na nga nating magtanim sa ibang bansa! Hina talaga ng reading comprehension mo tita! Sige keep trying to make sense.

      • Arvin Malabanan

         HA HA HA… Kinakabahan kang mag type. May nalalaman ka pang “kalahating talaga” HA HA HA…

        Hindi ko sinabi na sinabi mo na kailangan nating magtanim sa ibang bansa. Ang sabi ko, magbigay ka nang ebidensya na kailangan nating magtanim nang bansa kasi inaassume mo na overpopulated tayo. Pero overpopulated nga ba tayo? BWA HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Hinay hinay lang ate ang beauty mo affected. Baka atakihin ka sa puso sana:

      • Turono

        Acheng nagloloko pc ko.

  • http://profiles.google.com/matanglawin matanglawin X

    One measly petition, compared that to how much opposition the Cybercrime Law had with more than 15.  It just goes to show, people are becoming less ignorant.

    Ignorant people should really look up what the word “mock” means…

  • Albert Einstien

    RH is EVIL..anti-future, anti-progress & anti-country….it also kills , deprives & prevent the formation of life through state intervention & funding of condoms & contraceptives

    anti-rh is anti-evil

    pro rh -is pro evil…they just cant accept it…lol

    • Jane Tan

      Of course not. You make it sound like its a good thing to create more broken families, put more kids on the streets begging, and generally, to create more poverty.

      • ThePattern

        Einstien (wrong spelling pa, engot) is for poverty and export labor.

      • Albert Einstien

        ·        my lonely friend…before you JUDGE a person..sir..please try to EDUCATE yourself first…
        RULES: Usernames or pseudonyms based on another person’s identity, publicly known or otherwise, living or dead..are PROHIBITED!
        SOLUTION: IDEM SONANS….sound like or mis-spelling is ALLOWED…besides there is already a user account einstein…
        hope that i contributed a lot to your EDUCATION….lol    : > )

      • ThePattern

        kumagat pa rin lol.

      • acidicboy

         LOOK who’s judging… LOL…..

    • ThePattern

      sinong mas evil? di ba evil yung pari na nangmomolestya ng mga lalaking paslit? or yung mga paring may mga babae at inaanakan?

    • JONGsKIE777

      do you have any scientific proof that PRO RH is evil ? and please dont give me that bible bulls**t explanation. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO MAYOR LITO ATIENZA ABORZIONIST PROLIFE CBCP BISHOPS SILENT KILL JOY EXTREMIST TERRORIST!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKS7Y3WBUOJPOMTYPCRXSKW7KM Franzeline Perdubal

      wow, a very clever and smart comment. Please enroll next semester sa grade 5.

    • JONGsKIE777

      so are you pro or anti ? 

  • ARIKUTIK

     There will be thousands of RH petitions in SC to be filled by both Pro and Anti RH. There is no more need to argue for a pervert had created it all. The citizens will decide what is worth believing. The Abnoy fantasy or the wisdom of God. It will be revealed that an Abnoy is pervert beyond doubt. His dictatorial brain will prove it all . Go….go…Penoy

    • antiscam

      True there might be thousands of filing in the SC challenging the Constitutionality and legality of the RH Bill. But after the SC will decide its Constitutionality and legality, which I believe the SC will confirm, then there will be no more filings to be entertained. Game over for the CBCP. Once again the Trinity of Defeats – Executive, Legislative and finally Judiciary. Go RH Bill!

      • ARIKUTIK

        Your theorem is fact of law. Once SC decides on the constitutionality of RH law then there will be no more fillings to be entertained. This fact is the reason why the Imbongs was the first to file petition on the first minute after holidays. Citing a reason of “Culture” as basis of complain. The Abnoy who does not respect due process of law is on his swindling way again. RH law is perversion enacted by PDAF power of an Abnoy. Now they want to conquer SC through Abnoy way of Imbong the First.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7IGQYIPU6AFTVRJ742XT2X44M4 Jef

    Anti RH Bill says, artificial birth control method kills the unborn child.   for a fertilized egg has genetic code of its own. Pills has 3 mechanism. To prevent ovulation, prevent fertilization, and prevent implantation. To prevent implantation is to kill an unborn, for to prevent implantation is to prevent a fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. But, IUD and Pills prevent implantation. Therefore, some artificial contraceptives kills the unborn children. Just for discussion and also gain knowledge. 1. Ovulation occurs when a mature egg is released from the ovary into the oviduct Afterwards, it will eventually become available to be fertilized. If no conception occurs, the uterine lining as well as blood will be shed in menstruation. 2. Fertilisation also known as conception is the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism. the process involves the fusion of an ovum with a sperm, which eventually leads to the development of an embryo meaning the entire process of development of new individuals is called reproduction.3. Implantation  (human embryo), An embryo earliest stage of development, from the time of first cell division until birth, hatching, or germination. In humans, it is called an embryo until about (8) eight weeks after fertilization after the last menstrual period  In organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes an egg cell, the result is a cell called the zygote, A zygote is the initial cell formed when two gamete cells are joined by means of sexual reproduction. Such zygotes contain DNA derived from both parents, and this provides all the genetic information necessary to form a new individual.Imagine 8 wks after fertilization meaning there is no life here… 

    • joshmale2004

      Thank you for a very fruitful and educating discussion. Had this argument been used explicitly during the deliberations of the RH Bill, there could have been a way where the PRO and ANTI and the Catholic Church could have formulated a Bill that in the end could become acceptable and could have brought a WIN WIN solution for both sides. I mean, all along, what happened was due to both  hard line stance of all parties, the bill became a battle between good and evil and the arguments led to battle on spiritual aspects. If the Muslims were created laws which are not applicable to Christians, then the congress could have compromised for a Law which may be applicable to Non catholics but can not be applied to Catholic beliefs. This could have solved the impasse of the Catholic Church comprising 65 to 70 percent of population but want to impose its belief on the RH Bill to the 100% of population. Likewise the remaining 30% who do not adhere to the catholics belief on Artficial Planning could not have bamboozled its will for the RH Bill to be implemented to the 100% population as well. Then a win win compromise could have been reached. For the Catholics who supported the RH Bill, its either they follow the Church belief or get out before they can avail of the Bill.Anyway, had you not replied on my post, then a lot of readers here may never know the reason behind the Natural Birth Control. I wish the Catholic Church can adapt this argument to discourage its flock from using Artificial method and would also find a way to just let those non catholics to adhere to what they also believe in.

      • Hunyor

        All the above had been discussed before, the information being available in public domain and from the internet.  It was taught in our high school before and probably for some progressive schools in higher elementary. 

        The bottom line is that Rome has spoken – no further discussion even though the earth is no longer flat.  Any serious researcher will attest how powerful the doctrine of infallibility from the seat of the modern “Peter” is upon the uninformed.  From the pages of history we learn that popes even did enjoy power over medieval kings and we are now seeing shades of that arrogance in the RH bill divide.  What do you think the reason why the fanatics have Sotto and Enrile as their heroes and consider Bernas, David, Nery et al as quasi catholics?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Oh someone here believes the lie that medieval theologians believed that the earth is flat! Please search “Flat Earth Myth” in wikipedia. You’ll be surprised that the source of the spreading of that myth were Protestants and anti-religion person. HA HA HA…

      • Hunyor

        Has it ever crossed your mind that the flat earth gibe, whether myth or anything, is directed at the embarrassing errors which the RC made that she has to reluctantly apologize for later?.  Would you like me to mention specifics and open a can of worms?  That would be cruel isn’t it? I thought you were an intellectual with the medico-techno babble you brought, or a spiritual man with your snippets of scripture but when I hear the “Ha HA HA”, the voice of wisdom of the perishing, then I have to heed the Lord Jesus’ command in Matt 7:6.

      • Arvin Malabanan

        Oh, please be honest, Hunyor. Why do you think the flat earth myth was an embarrassing error of the Catholic Church? Why don’t you face the truth that the Church is a victim of the spreading of the flat myth earth?

        How ridiculous is that when someone just types “HA HA HA”, a person would claim that the voice of wisdom perishes! HA HA HA… Oh no! My wisdom perishes again! HA HA HA.. But wait, there’s more! I was labeled as a dog or a pig! But what have I done to merit be treated as a dog or a pig? I believe there’s nothing so! For, I try to appeal to use reason here. Please be reasonable. Isn’t it obvious that to convince someone that the Catholic Church is wrong, you must first subscribe to what really are true things? But the “Flat Earth Myth” is a myth which claims that Catholic authority in the Middle Ages believed that the Earth is flat. Nonetheless, it’s a myth for evidences and reality against that mythical claim.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Type BBC PAGPAG on Youtube and see what the Poor Pinoys are eating.

    That’s Filipino culture for you.

  • http://twitter.com/carabaopower Carlos Javier

    The argument presented by the petitioners in this case has nothing to do with the law.  Besides, who died and gave Mr. & Mrs. Imbong the sole right to define what “Filipino Culture” is, and to shove it down all our collective throats?

    The SC will throw this out, and rightly so.

  • Genesis Amv’s

    RH LAW WE SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/veritas899 Cielbert Adriatico Dondoyano

    Scripture

    Is contraception a modern invention? Hardly! Birth control has been around for millennia. Scrolls found in Egypt, dating to 1900 B.C., describe ancient methods of birth control that were later practiced in the Roman empire during the apostolic age. Wool that absorbed sperm, poisons that fumigated the uterus, potions, and other methods were used to prevent conception. In some centuries, even condoms were used (though made out of animal skin rather than latex). 

    The Bible mentions at least one form of contraception specifically and condemns it. Coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. “Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also” (Gen. 38:8–10). 

    The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, certain forms of contraception have historically been known as “Onanism,” after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as “Sodomy,” after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Gen. 19). 

    Contraception was so far outside the biblical mindset and so obviously wrong that it did not need the frequent condemnations other sins did. Scripture condemns the practice when it mentions it. Once a moral principle has been established in the Bible, every possible application of it need not be mentioned. For example, the general principle that theft is wrong was clearly established in Scripture; but there’s no need to provide an exhaustive list of every kind of theft. Similarly, since the principle that contraception is wrong has been established by being condemned when it’s mentioned in the Bible, every particular form of contraception does not need to be dealt with in Scripture in order for us to see that it is condemned.  (CA)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Joseph-Limchoa-Fuentes/753006214 Ben Joseph Limchoa Fuentes

      The population then is not as it is now. And the context is that they had a cultural duty to impregnate their deceased sibling’s widow. If we follow your reasoning then brothers who have attractive sisters-in-law would be very happy all over the world – as long as their brothers, the husband, die an untimely death

  • http://Yahoo.com/ Ragdeleafar

    Humans are gifted by GOD both reasons and desires and the free will to choose and wisdom to know the difference. Angels have no desires only have reasons but animals have only deisres no reasons. So in the context of which is right or wrong based on the commandments of GOD if youbelieve in Him as human follow the commandments & teachings as mentioned in the Bible:’Our failure to live God’s commands is the principal reason why the world is in a mess.’
    “Why is the realization of God’s kingdom so slow? And why is Satan’s kingdom so powerful and pervasive?
    The answer is that we are not carrying our job as well as we should. We are not doing our task of completing the kingdom as well as we should be doing it.”
    The seed is the word of God. Those on the path are the ones who have heard, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts that they may not believe and be saved. Those on rocky ground are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy, but they have no root; they believe only for a time and fall away in time of trial. As for the seed that fell among thorns, they are the ones who have heard, but as they go along, they are choked by the anxieties and riches and pleasures of life, and they fail to produce mature fruit. But as for the seed that fell on rich soil, they are the ones who, when they have heard the word, embrace it with a generous and good heart, and bear fruit through perseverance.”
    In other words, RH Law is more of an animal instinct not Human!

  • http://WWW.MISES.ORG/ Mark Rodriguez

    “We’re now faced with this divisive, immoral law because of our collectivist culture and collective belief that the government should take care of us and pay for our basic services from womb to tomb. The law is immoral not because it’s against the Christian religion but because it negates individual rights! This is why the proper concept of rights is at stake here, as we currently have lawmakers and politicians who naively believe that rights are contradictory and cannibalistic. That is, that in order to serve the welfare of Juan the government must steal from–or use force or coercion– against Pedro.”

    GOOGLE THIS: “Top Ten Reasons Why RH Law is Unconstitutional”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Joseph-Limchoa-Fuentes/753006214 Ben Joseph Limchoa Fuentes

      HOW does this law negate individual rights?? So are you saying that someone offering to tell you about how drugs, cigarettes or beers work is already negating your individual rights even though you can so clearly choose to not partake of them. Please, think before you say something. The only anti-sentiment that I think holds merit is the budget issue. Nothing else.

  • http://WWW.MISES.ORG/ Mark Rodriguez

    GOOGLE THIS: “Top Ten Reasons Why RH Law is Unconstitutional”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Bill was approved in OTALY, the pope was QUIET.
    Why are the lowly bishops so NOISY?

    • Arvin Malabanan

       Are you sure the Pope were quiet?

      • Turono

        Are you sure he was not?

      • Arvin Malabanan

         Of course! If I were not, then Humanae Vitae was not brought by Pope Paul VI when contraceptives were legalized. But it was formed by Pope Paul VI to condemn contraception. Thus, you’re the one who is not sure. HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Ang hina talaga ng kukote mo! Simpleng tanong lang sabihin mo pa na ako ang hindi sure. Nang ano? I asked you for an explanation I didn’t assert anything how can I not be sure of something? Engot ka talaga!

      • Arvin Malabanan

        E kahit naman hindi ikaw yung nagtanong, nag-aapply pa rin naman yung sinabi ko na hindi ka sure. Kasi, ba’t ka magtatanong pa na kung sure ba si Hein S kung sure ka rin quiet ang Pope sa RH law ng Italy?! HA HA HA… Parang hindi ka nag-aral nang logic. Ang form kasi nang argument mo ay parang ganito:

        Cats are animals
        Dogs are not Cats
        Therefore, Dogs are NOT animals.

        Kasi, ang takbo ng utak mo ay ganito:

        Hein S is the one who is asked whether he is not sure.
        But you, Turono, is not Hein S.
        Therefore, Turuno is not the one who is asked whether he is not sure.

        Nawa’y kayanin nang utak mo kung ba’t kitang-kita na invalid ang argumento mo dito. HA HA HA…

      • Turono

        Becky okay ka lang?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang galing pala ng logic mo…sobra-sobra pa nga, may dagdag na IL sa unahan, AL sa hulihan.

        Parang ,,,
        Cats and dogs are animals
        but, cats are not dogs
        and, dogs are not Cats
        DO YOU KNOW WHY? 
        Sana huwag magtatakbo ang utak mo

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        And, how do you think this knowledge of yours can help those who need your help?  In the first place, are you willing to help, apart from showshow of your expertise on non-English terminologies?   Ipakita mo sa mga kababayan mo na hindi HIGOP at BUGA lamang ang nalalaman ng isang MALABANAN.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Was he noisy?  Did he ever involve himself in movements or petitions like this?

  • http://www.facebook.com/veritas899 Cielbert Adriatico Dondoyano

    We Highly Oppose The RH-Law because of the Evil of CONTRACEPTION (Gen38:8-10).
     
    Moral Corruption po ang hindi pagsunod sa mga magulang natin sa Tunay na Simbahan o Iglesia (Matthew18:17).
     
    Parang tinuturoan ng mga Pro-Contraception ang mga tao na maging hindi masunorin sa mga magulang natin sa simbahan.
     
    Natutupad ang hula sa bibliya. Na ang mali ay gagawing tama ng karamihan sa mga tao. At ang tama naman ay gagawin nilang mali. Ito ay mababasa natin sa aklat ng Isaiah 5:20.
     
    Quote:
     
    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isa5:20-KJV)

  • Turono

    xxx

  • Turono

    xxx

  • Turono

    xxx

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    ARVIN MALABANAN…para sa iyo ito>

    Marami kang ipinost that I found valid and meritorious…ANG KULANG NA LANG is to PUT THEM INTO USEFUL ACTION.  May nakita akong post mo, to which I posted a response requesting HOW TO GO ABOUT IT…YOU NEVER RESPONDED…yet, you persisted to post posts showing your voluminous expertise on books and excerpts from books.  I refuse to believe that yours are purely showmanship or braggadocio.

    The people who need help are our less fortunate kababayans…most of whom did not reach level of education, who can understand what you’ve been posting in this forum.  Wala ka bang balak ibahagi sa mga nangangailangan ang mga nalalaman at galing mo?  Sana naman ay mayroon, at sa paanong pamamaraan.  Marami sa mga pamilyang nangangailangan ay may pag-asawahang hindi kasal.  Hindi ba dapat tumulong dito ang mga pari at ang mga Catholic leaders?

    Sana naman ay makatulong ka sa kanila, para naman makahalakhak din sila tulad ng tunog ng mga halakhak mo sa sa ilang mga posts mo.

  • ThePattern

    batas na, tanggapin niyo na lang katotohanan.

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