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Divorce talk irks Church

Bishops warn of ‘culture of death,’ destruction of family

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Retired Novaliches Bishop Teodoro Bacani, along with other bishops and the Catholic Vote Philippines alliance, said that proponents of the divorce bill would have a tougher time pushing the measure compared with the 14-year struggle that RH supporters went through.

Don’t rub salt in the wound.

Catholic Church leaders warned that the proposal to introduce divorce in the Philippines would further divide the country after the bitter debate over the contentious reproductive health (RH) bill and implant a “culture of death” in the nation.

Retired Novaliches Bishop Teodoro Bacani said Speaker Feliciano Belmonte’s plan to enact a divorce bill in the next Congress was “not a good development” for the country.

Bacani, along with other bishops and the Catholic Vote Philippines alliance, said that proponents of the bill would have a tougher time pushing the measure compared with the 14-year struggle that RH supporters went through.

“Divorce will not be a very good development, in my own personal opinion, especially after the RH bill that has so severely divided the nation,” Bacani said in an interview. “It will further divide the country.”

He said that one big lesson the Church learned from the RH controversy was the need to educate the people.

Bacani said the harm divorce would bring was clear in statistics, not just in social costs. “It will also destroy the very sacred nature of marriage,” he said.

When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.”

Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma, the president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said he had requested a meeting of the bishops to discuss the Church position on the issue.

“I feel sad because some people, or many of the legislators, have the belief that anything they legislate is good and it’s for the good of the country,” Palma said. “What’s next? Same-sex marriage, abortion, etcetera?”

“This is part of the plan of the people who want to destroy the family and life,” said Fr. Amadeo Alvero, spokesperson of the Archdiocese of Palo in Leyte province.

“This is part of the culture of death,” he said, referring to divorce, euthanasia, abortion, population control and homosexual union.

“What is happening? It would seem that some legislators are throwing the concept of God out the window,” said Msgr. Meliton Oso, director of the Jaro Archdiocesan Social Action Center.

Not on the radar

Strategic Communication Secretary Ricky Carandang shrugged off talk of a divorce legislation. “That is not being discussed, it’s not on the radar,” he told reporters.

Sen. Pia Cayetano said during a break in the bicameral discussions on the RH bill Wednesday she wanted to get the measure out of the way first before tackling the divorce issue. The main proponent of the RH bill in the Senate earlier said the divorce bill was “long overdue.”

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile and Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago also indicated willingness to consider the proposal, as long as strict guidelines were enforced.

Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez, who led the opposition to the RH bill in the House, said it would be “arrogant” of the government to introduce divorce legislation now. “Don’t push it. You might bring the country to the moral brink,” he said.

“It’s a serious matter,” said Leyte Rep. Ferdinand Martin Romualdez. “Let’s not use political momentum but rather let’s be deliberate about it.”

The Philippines, aside from the Vatican, has become the world’s only country without a divorce law after Malta legalized it last year.

During a pre-Christmas lunch with reporters, Belmonte was asked about the divorce bill sponsored by the party-list group Gabriela pending at the committee level. He said it was unlikely to be passed at this time.

“But it’s there at the back of our minds,” he said. “I want that to remain in the consciousness of congressmen so at some point, we can take it up again.”

Reconciliation a ‘sham’

Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the CBCP’s Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said Belmonte’s remarks only showed that calls for unity and reconciliation following the passage of the RH bill were a sham.

“I do not wish to sound ‘We told you so’ but that very statement itself reveals that RH is just the beginning of a series of antifamily and antilife legislation,” Castro said. “This government has revealed its true face. It has never been for the welfare of the family, women and children.”

Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles said prolifers had always expected that the passage of the RH bill would be followed by proposals for divorce, same-sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia “and all the rest of what we call death bills.”

“We prolifers and pro-God people have always said that there would be a domino effect after the RH bill … The pro-RH promoters denied all the time the said consequences. Now, we see happening what they have denied,” Arguelles said.

Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo said the chances of a divorce bill becoming law would depend on the composition of the next Congress.

“We will see after the elections what the composition of Congress would be. Why would we lose sleep over it? It’s still just a threat,” Pabillo said.

Voter education

 

Dr.  Ricardo Boncan, spokesperson of Catholic Vote Philippines, said the group was ready to “educate” lay Catholics so that they would know who they would vote for in 2013.

“We are not surprised that they are now proposing divorce because we had expected them to come up with more antifamily legislation after the RH bill. They might even target the Constitution to remove the provision protecting life from the moment of conception,” Boncan said.

“We are now ready for that. We are going to the grassroots so that, in this coming elections, we will change the composition of our legislature,” he said.

“That’s a tall order but Catholic groups that were once uncommitted are now joining us after seeing (in the RH bill voting) what we are up against. There’s now a groundswell, especially in the provinces,” he added.

Catholic Vote Philippines includes the biggest lay organizations in the country: El Shaddai, Knights of Columbus, Couples for Christ, Sangguniang Laiko ng Pilipinas, Dominican Network Institute of Teaching Lay Missionaries, Federation of National Youth Organizations, Youth Pinoy, National Youth Ministry, St. Thomas Moore Association, Educhild Philippines, Families Against RH Bill, Filipinos for Life, Doctors for Life, Alliance for the Family, ProLife Philippines and the Jericho Community.

“I think it will be harder for divorce proponents because divorce is more specific than the RH bill. The RH bill was somewhat vague and they were able to make it appear that it would help the country’s economy,” Boncan said.

“The divorce bill is different. It is specific and will hit the family. Even pro-RH lawmakers know that the hardest hit casualties of divorce would be our children,” he added.

Boncan said the administration should instead tweak the country’s laws on legal separation and marital abuse.

“We already have the necessary laws in place to take care of the issues they are using to push for a divorce law,” he added. With reports from Michael Lim Ubac, Norman Bordadora, Christian V. Esguerra, in Manila; and Joey Gabieta, Jani Arnaiz, Carla Gomez, Nestor Burgos, Veda Bongalos and Jhunnex Napallacan, Inquirer Visayas


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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

    Tama!!!  Wag nang pagusapan ang divorce bill.  Let’s focus our lawmakers attention to something more important like, declaring the Bieber persona non grata.  Priorities, people.  PRIORITIES!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

    When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.”
    ===========================================

    Because he is not supposed to.  Say it with me, Separation of church and state.

    We ain’t in Spanish Colonial times anymore. Why are we letting the church influence our laws? Para saan pa yung pinagbuwis ng buhay ni J. Rizal kung babalik din tayo o mananatili tayo sa ganitong sitwasyon.

    • ngidigop

      Padre Damaso’s time is over.

    • efriend

      Catholic vote = #Fiction.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        True.  Unfortunately, politicians ain’t willing to bet their livelihood come election time.  

      • Nathanael Espino

        It shouldn’t BE a LIVELIHOOD in the first place….

  • Luis Antonio Sereno

    These bishops are only some of the few who are saying that the DIVORCE ISSUE will further divide the people. The majority will say I’m sure “GO FOR IT, LET’S HAVE THIS DIVORCE IN THE PHILIPPINES!

    • ngidigop

      Bishops are just jealous….

    • batangpaslit

      they are not in touch with the flocks they ought to tend, hence, they are detached

  • E Rigby

    Yes, the subject of divorce will be quite a divisive issue once it gets debated in Congress and in public.  But it has to be discussed because it is a fact of life in our country.  There are so many couples who have either separated or who simply maintain an appearance of being together in an unhappy relationship.  Let us give them a chance to take another shot at happiness.  The people in a relationship are in the best position to determine whether they should stay in that relationship or not.  Everybody else ought to get out of the way. 

    • batangpaslit

      tumpak….wisely said

    • Ross18

      well said. i couldn’t agree with you more kabayan. Mabuhay ka for a very good and precise opinion on the matter.

  • quirinomayer

    So Teddy Bacani is still around. Wonder who is listening to this  hipo-crite  – as in nanghipo.

    I could still remember the comment of someone after this guy sounded like he knew everything and that he was appointed by God as his personal emissary during the first ABS-CBN RH Debate: “Nahihiya ako na ako’y Katoliko.” The commenter was comparing the actuations of Bacani with that of Protestant Bishop Tendero during the debate – cordial and humble.

    • E Rigby

       I agree.  He has zero credibility as far as I’m concerned.  He’s an egomaniac who will say anything just to stay in the limelight. 

    • Guest

      Taking Bacani seriously is like taking seriously a three-year-old boy answering issues on nuclear power policy of Russia.

      • Ross18

         good one….that make smile. thanks.

    • batangpaslit

      i missed that show….sa labas kasi ako ng bansa eh

  • hustlergalore

    irked? of course, mahal kaya ang church annulment.

    at saka nakakawalan ng respeto.

    kung ano ang binuo ng pari, pari dapat ang maghiwalay. LOL

  • rofllma0

    YEheY! DIVORCE IN THE PHILIPPINES!! AT LAST!! GO FOR IT!!

    IGNORE THOSE CATHOLIC BISHOPS!! – They make ALL people Suffer! They dont understand Divorce! Thousands of People are suffering bec of the Annulment process!

    • batangpaslit

      rethinking of man made church dogma is required

  • Rio Legaspi

    Sige nga tingnan natin kung ano ang magagawa nyo…come on show us what you got.

    • batangpaslit

      daring challenge eh

  • Beguine

    The death knell for the Catholic Church has now begun ringing,
    and it will continue ringing fast and furious every single day leading
    up to the sure to be quickly introduced, deliberated and passed divorce bill.

    After that millions upon millions of Filipinos would prefer to become agnostics,
    even atheists than continue with their Catholic belief.

    Conceivably, it’s already happening that donations and contributions to the Catholic
    Church must be steadfastly and precipitously declining and dwindling.

    That’s why the Catholic Church has begun to panic. Filipinos will become a lot
    smarter and get rid of the burden of being a Catholic pronto.

    • batangpaslit

      salvation of man, do not rely on Roman Catholicism
      Christ is the Saviour of mankind, not any kind of religion: RCC, INK, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Protestants, etc.

  • http://twitter.com/PatrickTesoro Patrick Bryan Tesoro

    Catholic ako pero kabuuan ng konsensya ko ang nagdidikta sa akin na mali ang mga sermon ng mga obispong ito at tila ayaw ko nang magsimba dahil deretsahan silang nagbibigay ng personal nilang opinyon sa mga taong nais lamang ng gospel reading. :-(

    • batangpaslit

      yes, it is most enlightening to read, study, and meditate the entire Scriptures, from the Old Testment to the New Testament.
      Truth, encountered me while reading the whole Bible with the aid of the illumination from the Holy Spirit
      GOD is sovereign

  • Jake Lopez

    The Catholic Church has always been a major force of reaction throughout our history. The bishops probably still believe that the earth is flat and is the center of the universe.

    • batangpaslit

      if only they could appropriate that ministers of GOD do not lord over their flocks as the Scriptures say

  • Sid Marcel

    Im hoping this time to make it quick, the catholic church will start bashing secularism big time. I will be so obvious that we dont have to wait 14 years. I think most pinoys now are aware enough to PAUSE and THINK before taking action.

    Unlike before, the church disallow the pause and think part. They are used to “DONT BOTHER THINKING” – just do what we told you to do.

    It took some time from Rizal and Bonifacio era to date. Filipinos should be proud to be free. From tyrants, warlords, political kingpins and now the church.

    Moving on. Who said it cant be done.

    - The church is so in denial. It is about Freedom to Choose. You take that away from a common man before deciding if a simple thing is good or bad is a recipe for disaster.

    • batangpaslit

      the truth shall set men free

  • DarkJustice

    Anong dahilan para ma-divide ang mga Pilipino kung may divorce sa Pinas? Mga pari talaga oh! Hoy Gising! Tapos na po ang panahon ng mga Kastila!

  • Hey_Dudes

    Here’s how these hypocrite bishops wants failing marriage in the country to further fail – that is, for the poor Filipino women.  Miguel can take mistresses, girlfriends, part time lover GRO’s and chimays and impregnate each one if Miguel have his way.  When Miguel is done and finding these part time parausans worthless, he leaves them just like when he left the wife penniless.  In all his activities, Miguel is not ordered by any court to provide alimony to rightful wife and children.  Miguel’s family or families continue to increase while Miguel is left alone to impregnate more women because there is nothing to prevent him from doing so.

    Stated differently, if Miguel knows he will be sued for alimony or through divorce he will be ordered to pay alimony, maybe Miguel might think twice even many times before he makes more babies from different women since it is a very expensive proposition.

    However, CBCP being what they are, they don’t want divorce introduced in the country.  Maybe some of their pedophile members cannot afford to pay alimony either?

    • BEVERLY

      The former Bishop Ratzinger was more liberal about divorce as well as abortion, homosexuality and prostitution. The problem with the Philippine RC church is it being so detached with reality. There are currenly two women ordained as RC priests or womenpriests in Los Angeles, celebrating and saying holy masses and other functions as would ordinary men priests could. And this is all sanctioned and respected by the Vatican. I don’t know if Bishop Bacani even has heard of all these.

    • batangpaslit

      sad commentary, eh?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    ready na ako sa debate sa mga DAMASO!!! at sa mga kampon nito katoliban!! hypocrite!!

  • BEVERLY

    This is nothing more than paper machete for scarecrows in the ricefields. Of all supposedly-enlightened institutions, the church, especially the RC, should lead the discourse about truth and reality, not some deluded talk based on falsehood and deception. No wonder the RC church is failing by numbers compared to population growth because of its distortion of the real world.

    Wake up, Fr. Bacani.

    • batangpaslit

      may punto

  • jopal

    oo nga naman bishop bakit mi pa pilitin ang dalawang tao na magsama sa isang bubung ng hindi naman masaya why not give them freedom  di mas maganda mas maayos pa ang lahat  ewn ko lang talaga bakit hanggang ngayo pinagaawayan pa ito sa ibang bansa tinanggap naman ng tao at ng simbahan dito na lang talaga sa pinas ang ganito  dapat siguro pagusapan itong mabuti di yon magsasabai kaagad ang simbahan na sinisira ng govyerno ang tao yon  ang dapat ninyong debatihan di yon it will divide the country papano mo nasabi yon ???????????????

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

       Jopal tanong ko s u bakit b nag-aaway ang mag-asawa o kaya nawawalan ng gana sa isat-isa ano ang mga dahilan there is only one GENERAL ANSWER

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

        KASALANAN ng individual na ayaw nilang aminin sa partner nila na nakagaqwa ako ng mali. Financial, 3rd party, mga biyenan, pagbibigay ng financial help sa mga kamaganakan, paglalasing, barkada isa lamang itung dahilan sa hindi magandang pagsasama ng mag-asawa. Pero eto ay naayus thru faith, honesty, and dapat sa mag-asawa ay laging nag-uusap about the day to day issues sa pamilya and be open I tell you it works.

  • im_earth

     i hope bishops know how to read comments in the blog aside from bible scriptures

    • batangpaslit

      many of them even misread what is written in the Scriptures
      for instance, they assign Mary as Mediatrix between GOD and man, when the Scriptures says that there is no power and authority under Heaven or above the Earth to mediate between GOD and man, except Christ Jesus

  • kilawon(the return)

    i hope one one day we filipino people would “RISE AGAINST THE MACHINE”aka CATHOLIC CULT…..they would always tell u “blessed are meek(poor) for they shall inherit the earth” LOADs OF BS…How can u help ur self and contribute to your country when you are poor?!

    • batangpaslit

      many misread and misinterpret the Scriptures

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    this is a vicious cycle. 
    if you activate sexuality too early, before mature minded, you will have premature marriage and you will end up to have a divorce.

    sexuality must be modulated, not promoted.

    • batangpaslit

      it is up for the individual to appropriate the moral scruples laid down in the Scriptures

      • Nathanael Espino

        Moral scruples can exist outside of spirituality. They become an internal driver instead of an external influence. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4NWPCKXAMVMOTMERQ55IMKHCQ Joseph Gerald

    The present annulment is a divorce movie shown in black and white mode. We are actually doing it in mute mode. 

    • UrHONOR

      KOREK, disimulado….na namana natin sa mga TNL na kastila at mga damasing.

  • simondj

    we are destroying the basic fiber of our society which is the family and marriage. marriage is the only institution officiated by God, in the garden of eden, according to the scripture. if you study the bible, God does not want his people to be ruled by a king or politician or judge in that matter.
    why? search the scripture and you will understand why.

    • UrHONOR

      BAKIT naman gagawin batayan yang bible sa pangkasalukuyang lipunan?  Ang bibile ay magandang guide…GUIDE, hindi blueprint ng buhay at kabuhayan. God ka ng god, e, yong mismong mga alagad DAW sila ng god, e, kung ano-anong mga kabulastugan at kaechosan ang pinaggagawa, iba pa?  Marriage was invented and institutionalized by society.  And it is also society that has the moral ascendancy to do what it wants with it, not the bible.

      Huwag ng haluan pa ng god-god ang talakayan dito dahil hindi naman RELIGION o APOLOGETICS o CATECHISM class ito.

      • simondj

        kung ang basehan natin ay haka lang ng tao, maaaring maligaw tayo, dahil ang tao ay puro haka. kung ayaw mo naman gamitin mga bilin ng Diyos, ano pa ang saysay ng talakayan? kailangan kasi may absolute truth o absolute right, at iyan ay galing lang sa Diyos,,, ngayon kung tatanggalin mo ang Diyos, magiging hayop na lang ang asal ng mga tao, dahil wala palang batayan.

      • UrHONOR

        SUSMARYOSEP!!!  ANONG haka-haka lamang ang pinagsasabi mo!  IKAW haka-haka, pero karamihang gumagamit ng pag-iisip nila ay HINDI…HINDING-HINDi haka-haka.

        ANONG BILIN ng diyos?  Saan mo nakuha ang bilin ng diyos?  Pinadala ba sa iyo?  Sinulat ba sa iyo?  O, HAKA-HAKA mo lamang tulad ng mga haka-haka ng mga damasing?

        SAYSAY ng talakayan?  HINDI ito talakayan ng tungkol sa paniniwala ng kung anupaman….ang talakayan dito ay ito: 
        Divorce talk irks Church.  Malaking palagay ko na naligaw ka ng board sa pagpapaskel.  Hindi ito board for RELIGION o BIBLE studies.

        ABSOLUTE TRUTH?  What do you know about absolute truth?  What is the absolute truth other than death and taxes and pedophilia among many priests of the catholic church?  And cite your source for authenticity or any philosophic argument.

        HAYOP ang asal ng tao?  Dyan pa lang plastado na ang kaalaman mo.  Ang tao ay hayop, samakatuwid, ang asal hayop ay na sa tao na….inherent.

        ANG BATAYAN ay ang MABUTING KAISIPAN at hindi mga kapitolyo at bersikulo na pawang mga salita na hindi LAHAT ay may katuturan sa pangkasalukyang buhay at pamumuhay.

        Marami at madalas kang nagpapapaskel na para bagang nangangaral ka ng mga kwento na hango sa bibliya.  HINDI kailangan ng pangaral ng mga posters dito sa kahit na kung anupaman…..pagpapalitan ng kaisapan at pagpapalahad ng kuro-kuro ang layunin ng board na ito.  PERO huwag mong isipin na pinipigilan kita sa pagpapaskel mo….wala sa isipan ko yan at kailanman ay hindi ko yan gagawin.

        Hope that helps.

      • simondj

        ipaliwanag mo bakit hindi,,,at ipapaliwanag ko naman bakit magiging asal hayop ang isang tao kung babaliwalain niya ang tagubilin ng Diyos.

      • kangsongdaeguk

        how sure are you that those written in the bible are “mga bilin ng Diyos” ? Care to prove it *beyond reasonable doubt*.
         ”kailangan kasi may absolute truth o absolute right, at iyan ay galing lang sa Diyos”
        Oh really? Then, prove *beyond reasonable doubt* that there is a God, and we should follow him, or at least the so-called “teachings of God” in the bible.

      • simondj

        here is my reply to prove there is God.
        1. in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.,, to declare God made it.
        2. there is only one God.,,, because the people believe in so many gods (anito ba)
        3. the fool has said in his heart there is no God,,, written by king david 2600 years ago to counter those who are telling ,,there is no God.
        4. Jesus tell us,,, for God so love the world that he gave his only begotten so that whosoever believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life.,, to prove God loves mankind.
        5. Paul writes,,, after these so many cloud of witnesses, THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.
        6. pero and reason ko ay ganito,,, kaya nga marami ang naniniwala sa diyos diyosan dahil may Diyos talaga.

      • kangsongdaeguk

        Alam mo, kahit anong rules of logic ang pagbatayan dito, this is not acceptable. Also, try bringing this reasoning up to any reputable College of Law, ewan ko lang.

      • simondj

        okay lang, wala naman compulsion eh, basta narinig nila ang sagot/paliwanag bahala na sila.

      • kangsongdaeguk

        no. That can’t be. 

        If we are to formulate public policies, we should have bases that are substantiated, beyond reasonable doubt, as supported by definitive methodology (like science). 

      • simondj

        lahat po ng aral ni Kristo ay may reason beyond reasonable doubt, may method, truth at may kaunting fantasy rin, kompleto po. mag bukas ka ng topic at ilalahad ko sa iyo.

      • kangsongdaeguk

        oh God. Don’t be so naive. If that is really so, we shouldn’t be having any fuss at all regarding religious beliefs.

        Anyway, my point is that – believe all you want, no one’s stopping you from doing so. But influencing public policies, laws and the likes, with your religious beliefs/principles/what-have-you, I am against it. Why?

        - Because again, you cannot provide beyond reasonable doubt that God exists. (And the “proof” you have commented earlier, is not objective, and I’m sorry to say – trash, if you take into consideration rules of logic and to a limited extent, judicial processes).
        - History. Remember the at least less-than-flattering issues about the roman catholic church which claims to be the representative of God/Jesus Christ/whatever here in Earth? Now how about Jan Hus, Crusades, Galileo Galilei? Oh, and there are the pedophile priests.

        Since there is a more objective way of determining things (i.e., government policies/laws) and it’s called Science, religious beliefs should be sidestepped if not completely eliminated during formulation of government policies/laws – they should be left to their own and not imposed on everybody as if it were the absolute law – for of course, again (refer to the previous paragraph) - you cannot provide beyond reasonable doubt that God exists.

      • simondj

        Psalms 91:1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
            the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
         Day after day they pour forth speech;
            night after night they reveal knowledge.
         

    • PurpleDaisy13

      re: “marriage is the only institution officiated by God”

      Wrong.

      If a spouse mistreats and abuses the other spouse, or engages in sexual immorality or unfaithfulness, such marriage would not be qualified as being officiated by your god simondj.

      For god would have had the foreknowledge and the ability to have seen the future to know not to officiate a marriage that would surely fail due to a spouse’s inability to uphold his or her marital obligations and promise to respect, love, and remain faithful to their spouse in the future.

      Thus, “fake” marriages must be terminated by way of annulment which is currently acceptable and available in the Philippines or divorce which shall soon be passed as another option to solve failed marriages.

      re: “God does not want his people to be ruled by a king or politician or judge in that matter.”

      Your god does not want his people to be ruled by a king or politician or judge because your god wants to be the only dictator, the only god that you must worship, in a spiritual society ruled under Communist practices instead of Democracy and Freedom.

      Thus, you are expected to fear your dictator as a god-fearing servant or a slave.

      • simondj

        correct, marriage is the only institution officiated by God, in the garden of Eden,,, what is your question?
        yes, God does not want his people to be ruled by a king/politician/judge in that matter,,, here is the reason of God.
           1. he send his prophets and prophet is enough
            2. you will pay your taxes to your king
            3. your sons will be put to wars
            4. your daughters will become slaves
            5. you can not get fair judgement from your king

  • batangpaslit

    Moses, the “lawgiver” granted divorce.
    Jesus Christ, did cite it in one of His discourses.
    Ideally, of course, marriage is supposedly for life.
    But life’s realities in this sinful world dictates otherwise.

    • UrHONOR

      NICE take, batangpaslit.

  • batangpaslit

    Ideally, yes.
    The church too is established by Christ, not Peter.
    Moses, the “lawgiver” granted divorce.
    Jesus Christ said, marriage is supposed for life.
    But this world is sinful. Humankind is sinful.

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    It’s all about control. Those bishops could not bear the fact they are losing control. Enough na!

  • $53950194

    I have nothing against the Catholic Church BUT they have drawn the boundaries between the church and the state.  If Bacani says the RH Bill severely divided the country, he should reconsider his statement as “they” are the ones who divided the nation!

    • Ross18

       100% agree.

  • pcosmachine

    The PH Catholic bishops are panicking because their almost 500 years of authoritarian rule in the Philippines is finally coming to end.

    Catholic Church donations are down

    Catholic Church attendees are down

    Catholic Church’s influence over lawmakers is down.

    Catholic Church’s trust ratings are down

    VERY SOON, THESE CATHOLIC BISHOPS WILL ALL BE DOWN!

  • zeroko

    This corrupt Filipino-Chinese officials in the Legislative is taking the entire Filipinos for a ride. They are definitely fooling the Filipino Citizenry. Why give priority to Divorce bill when FOI or Freedom of Information is hanging in the balance.

    My wife divorced me 37 years ago, yet this length of time does not matter. But, compared to Freedom of information, Divorce bill is secondary. Let us insist that the FOI be given priority. “This is the final test of PNoy, our Chinese President regarding his sincerity that our country is going towards “daan matuwid.” 

    Transparency is so important in a democratic form of government!

    • asenso

      Changing the topic are you?  Besides lawmaking is not the executive’s duty.  The legislative part of government was voted in by the Filipino people (Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, etc) to enact laws in accordance with their wants and needs.

      Divorce is not new. It is a law in all nations except 2.  Even the bible in Deuteronomy says this is an option for married couples.

      Note that if the Catholic church wants to be a moral guide, then they can still do this to their flock.  They can’t however hostage an entire nation.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Catholic Church leaders warned that the proposal to introduce divorce in the Philippines would further divide the country after the bitter debate over the contentious reproductive health (RH) bill and implant a “culture of death” in the nation.<<<

    OPPS….HETO pa ang isang WARNING na naman!  Daig pa ang GESTAPO, ano po.

    Itong si Ted naman kasi, e, RETIRED na, e, kung ano-ano pa ang pinapasok.  Tulad ni Cruz.  Dahil retired na kayo, dapat ang pinakikialamanan ninyo ay yong pag-reretiro ninyo.  Unless, kailangan pa ng "extra" budget para sa mga "extra-curriculars".  Kung nananahimik na lang kayo at hayaan yong mga ACTIVE at hindi retired ang makialam sa kung anupaman ang pinakikialamanan ninyo, hindi masyadong mabubulgar ang kapalpakang pinalulutang ng marami sa inyo.

    ANG ISUSUNOD tapos ng DIVORCE ay TAXATION of churches and religious organizations.  Hindi yang habang-buhay ay FREE LOADERS na lang ang mga TNL na yan, e, ang LALAKAS at ang LALAKING KUMITA.  Hindi na nagbabayad, nakikisawsaw pa.  Hindi nagbibigay ng pangbili ng bigas, hindi tumutulong sa pagluto (at nagmimiron lang), tapos pag inin na ang sinaing, unang-una sa pilahan para kumain.

    PAGKATAPOS ng TAXATION…..saka na.

  • Sid Marcel

    I bet the philippine church has now felt the inevitable.

    To quote…”What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.”- M

    The very thing that for millennias the church does not want us to be aware of.

  • stromboli67

    If there is such thing as the dissolution of marriage through church sanctioned annulment, why shouldn’t civil authorities have the same right to grant divorce?  If the end result of the process is essentially the same, why would the church prevent others, (particularly non-catholics) from the exercise of this right?  Why is annulment recognized by the State as valid marital divorce, while itself is deprived the right to grant it?  Is the church more powerful than the State? 

    Is it a question of control and power over a society’s basic human right?  There is an issue of equality here as well – is annulment a process that is equally accessible to the poor and those without the wherewithal to pursue it?  

    Just asking.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BISHOP TEODORO BACANI SATANAS!! DAMASO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • w4d

    The Barrameda sister could have gotten a divorce instead was found dead and the abusive husband and his family still roam free. Many women like her are still trap in marriage that the church would care less if it crumbles as long as the image of the family is intact. The priest who is suppose to ask the oppressed wife, “Anak, may problema ba?”, instead is sending the message to suck it up, tiisin mo, ’til death – literary.

  • Mike_1974

    to the Bishops and Catolibans, grow up!!! face life and face realities!!
    DIVORCE BILL is long overdue!!!

  • PurpleDaisy13

    re: “Divorce will not be a very good development, in my own personal
    opinion, especially after the RH bill that has so severely divided the
    nation,” Bacani said in an interview”

    Annulment is already legal in the Philippines and is used to separate a man and woman who had joined hand-in-hand through marriage during their wedding day.

    Divorce provides the same purpose.

    Thus, the option to Divorce shall also be approved and passed as law in the Philippines just as the option to Divorce had also existed as law during the time of Moses:

    Deuteronomy 24:1 –

    When a man has taken a wife, and married her, and it comes to pass that
    she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in
     her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and put it in her
    hand, and send her out of his house.

    I’m sorry Bacani, but there must be consequences for the marital obligations and promises you break against your spouse.  If you mistreat and abuse your spouse or engage in sexual immorality and unfaithfulness, then your spouse must be granted the option to leave you for a better life.

    And whether it is annulment currently acceptable in the Philippines or divorce, they both accomplish the same result.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Divorce talk irks Church<<<

    THE "IRKER", the better.  Meaning, the right move is being takien and done.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y74B6RY5N37I5JG2KAFGKGFPFA F**kinMO

    THE CAUSE OF CORRUPTION IN CATHOLIC COUNTRIES
    It is a fact that religion has played an important role in the formation of a country. This is absolutely true in Catholic countries; undeniably, the common denominator of all corrupt and impoverished countries is religion [in general] and Catholicism [in particular].
    Is there really a relationship between corruption and the Catholic Church? The answer is YES, actual situation speaks for itself.
    Before the decree on separation of church and state, the colonies dominated by Spain [which was the Pope's sattelite] were controlled by the Catholic Church. During these historical time, the colonies were managed in accordance with the Catholic systems.
    Now, what are these Catholic systems which are still prevailing until this modern time?
    1. Briberies and all forms of corruptions that could be traced back to the giving of something to the church in the guise of donation for purposes of facilitating the givers’ request to the saints.
    2. The giving of donations in exchange for a divine intervention or any favor; this is a form of bribery clothe with another terminology. This is a clear pattern of corruption.
    3. The pardons for sale and indulgences which still occur in another form until these days.
    4. The hypocrisy and shrewdness which could be traced back to the time of bishops and priests covering their evil acts behind the curtains of secrecy.
    The holy appearance with a divine posture is their only hiding wall from the real self – this hypocrisy is still an effective tool of corruption to evade from public suspicion. This instance is still prevailing until now may it  be in religion or politics, the main point is that it was inherited from the Catholic system.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      The Old Europe most traditionally corrupt nations are:

       ——- Italy where the Mafias are Vatican and his Banco Ambrosiano related, the European best and safest money laundering machine, out of any control except the Holly Spirit !——- Spain——- France

      For the former Communist Countries and Greece, the corruption impregnation is cultural, but no comparisons possible with RP

      The less, almost no corruptions are the Protestant places.

      For the killings it’s about the same, The Mafias are the best of all

  • GMGuerrero

    Except for their individual rights as individual voters, bishops and priest should not be any different from other citizens.  They should express their opinions as individuals, not as the voice of the Catholic Church.  Forcing married couples to stay together when they hate each other is like a shotgun wedding with the priest holding the shotgun with children ending as the victims.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.”<<<

    THEN, if that's the attitude, the sheeple should neither communicate with the church because it doesn't listen to, nay ignore, them.

    FURTHER, who on earth are you that the President of the Philippines should listen to you…spend precious time with a retired priest?  Salamabet!

  • boybakal

    As they say….Marriage is an inviolable social institution.
    That a man and a woman becomes one.
    So why divide a body that has been consolidated as one, though the link is that tiny little thing.

    If divorce will be granted, then we should change the bond of marriage that says
    “Till Death Do Us Part”to” Till Divorce Do Us Part.

    • Datingkailan

      pano kung nahuli mo sa akto na kinaliwa ka ng asawa mo at na anakan ng kapit bahay ang asawa mo?

      • mnlmad

         The Philippines is the ONLY country in the world na walang divorce. That it mean that buong mundo mali at tayo lang ang tama? If you say yes then you are crazy!

      • Swiss_cheese23

        …..at pari pa ang kasama ng asawa mo? Lol

      • Datingkailan

        nyeta, i divorce na yan kaagad!!

      • 33Sambuang

        daming paring manyakis……………….

    • Swiss_cheese23

      So and idea mo annulment pwede pero divorce hinde? Ang battered na mayaman na may pera magpa annul ok lang pero ang mahirap dahil wlalang pambayad bahala na nilang tiisin buhay nila?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGLQQ2TTZF3BAWUHUWLFWVPZDE Vladymir

      boybakal hindi ka na bakal ngayon ,aluminum ka na lang hehehe

    • Nathanael Espino

      As they say….Marriage is an inviolable social institution.  <– Who? Sinong "They" ito?
      If divorce will be granted, then we should change the bond of marriage that says"Till Death Do Us Part"to" Till Divorce Do Us Part. <– E di i-omit, kelangan ba ng Holy Writ para gawin yun?

  • efffyoufools

    the FOI bill will compel aquino and his lying scambag allies to tell the truth when caught or accused with laws violation and they are trying the measures that aquino ordered them to do inorder to delay the passage of the FOI bill and the rh bill was one of the measures that successfully delayed the bill that aquino and his allies cursed to die down.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>“We will see after the elections what the composition of Congress would be. Why would we lose sleep over it? It’s still just a threat,” Pabillo said.<<<

    HA HA HA…..and who has been issuing THREATS after THREATS after THREATS even using god's power, people power, catholic vote power, and whatever other power else that turned out to be PFFFT!?  WHO….who let the THREATS out?  WHO?

    And why lose sleep on something that people like?  Sleep well and tight…don't let the bedbugs bite…when you wake up, there is no more threat, it's all done.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUDXSLGDJSVES3MAZKXXMXJXXM Ratzkey

    Mga pari talaga parang walang mga pinag aralan kikitid ng mga utak almost selfish na kumbaga sarili lang nila iniisip. Ang babaw ng tingin nila sa RH at sa divorce parang larong bata lang. Sana magbigay sila ng ehemplo sa huli nanghihingi lang din ng abuloy sa tao para sa kanilang propesyon magbigay naman sana sila. Akala mo nagpari para tumulong eh parang sila yata ang tinutulungan swerte naman nila. Ang annulment puede pero divorce hindi eh pareho lang naman yun di ba kabobohan. Pilit pa yatang ibrainwash ang tao at isinasama pa ang same sex marriage at abortion eh ang layo na nun. Divorce is pro family and pro life if implemented properly because it allows couples in difficult marital situations to get their lives back and that includes their children who experiences the same situation.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I used to poll married women about their sex life.

    40% reported that their husband are impotent.

    that is the tragedy that women face.

    to protect innocent girls, there has to be a bill that makes it mandatory to have a physical examine before marriage.

    it should be called impotent bill.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      This is an excellent idea for Priests selection.
      For Churches only impotent proof priest are needed.

      A Clergy life “style” check should be done by doctors and Psychiatry’s.

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         what do you mean ?

        impotent certified ? or impotent proof ?

        they are two different things.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        They should be eunuchs or with a medically similar state for Children’s and widows safety !
        The easiest will be to respect the Nature  and let them to get married and have a chance for a normal life, avoiding Perverse sexual temptations to be nested in their brain and robes…

        Statistics show most of them have a sexual problem or perversions driven by their way of life.

  • Luthmar

    Ahhhhh, here they go again.  Church is against divorce because their annulment business will lose money.  Only the rich ones can split up from their abusive husbands or wives because they have the money to buy the annulment papers.  Sorry na lang po dun sa mahihirap that are beaten up to death but can not split from the husbands because they do not have the money.  In many cases, husbands just leave the wives with whom they have “isang damakmak na anak” to shack up with their new paramours.  Leaving the wives and the kids starve to death.  Children have to beg or even go in to prostitution because the irresponsible fathers no longer can afford them financially.  Then they go make more babies with other women.

    Bishop Bacani says:  It will also destroy the very sacred nature of marriage.  Bishop Bacani, pls.
    ask Erap and ex senator Revilla about the sanctity of their marriages.

    When BB was asked what his message to Pres. Aquino was…………, I don’t have a message to
    him because he doesn’t listen.”  Thank God the president does not listen to them all the time.
    Imagine, if the pres. will always listen to these lay people , where would our country be.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Catholic Vote Philippines includes the biggest lay organizations in the country: El Shaddai, Knights of Columbus, Couples for Christ, Sangguniang Laiko ng Pilipinas, Dominican Network Institute of Teaching Lay Missionaries, Federation of National Youth Organizations, Youth Pinoy, National Youth Ministry, St. Thomas Moore Association, Educhild Philippines, Families Against RH Bill, Filipinos for Life, Doctors for Life, Alliance for the Family, ProLife Philippines and the Jericho Community.<<<

    SUSmaryosep!  Ano yan, ARMY of CBCP?  Bakit wala diyan ang mga Cursillistas (Decolores), Opus Dei, Holy Name Society, JIL, Quiboloy, etc?  Aba, e, mga ma-inpluwensang mga samahan yan…lalo na ang cursillo!  Pero OK yan….marami…the more the merrier.  Magiging parang tower of babel yan….kanya-kanyang idea, tapos sa bandang huli, watak-watak na.  Tulad lang ng Couples of Christ….ke liit-liit na samahan, tapos nagkakahidwaaan pa.  SIGE, buti yan at tingnan natin kung kayang tapatan nyan ang INK voting bloc.

    Pero sa tingin ko, sa isang taon lang, wala na ang mga yan.  Hanggang kodakan lang yan. Ningas Cogon, 'ika nga ni Mang Kepweng.

  • pikloy

    annulment in Catholic institution is allowed so why the heck do they get irk in civil seperation. must be about the fees. You do pay big fees on church annulment too.

  • mnlmad

    The Philippines is the ONLY country in the world without divorce. There must be something terribly wrong with us.

  • edm365f31

    Bacani:

    He said that one big lesson the Church learned from the RH controversy was the need to educate the people.
    The need is to educate the church and for them to mind their own business; if they want to be involve in the affairs of the state they should start paying taxes.

  • batangsulpok

    Sa Pilipinas lang naman sobra ang pakikialam ng simbahang katoliko sa gobyerno at dapat magising na itong mga pari na hindi na panahon ngayon ng kastila na laging sila ang nasusunod.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TEFMMFWNK6LMZY34BKQIRXTCVI chaste

    With or without DIVORCE LAW, married couples still split anyway.  So what is the difference.  At least with a law, either parties are protected.  The priests or the catholic faith in reality is just protecting the church which is already breaking – and these are all of their own making.  They thought that people are stupid and would simply follow the priest or the church’s commands.  WE ARE NOT IN THE DARK AGES ANYMORE.  Let us use reason or logic which the catholic faith has long denied the Filipino people.  What do we do of a religion that celebrates POVERTY and STUPIDITY?

    • $20722540

      poverty should be address by the gov’t, so religion has nothing to celebrate.  i don’t know with stupidity…maybe you can study in schools run by the church, so you will stop talking about the dark ages

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles said prolifers had always expected that the passage of the RH bill would be followed by proposals for divorce, same-sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia “and all the rest of what we call death bills.”<<<

    BAKIT ganyan mag-isip 'tong mga nataguriang mga aral na tao?  They are supposed to be of fine minds….but what's coming out of their traps are garbazh!  Anong same-sex marriage, abortion, etc after the RH bill?  Kundi nagdidilirio itong si argue-ng-argue na ARGUElles na ito, senility na piho. NON-SEQUITUR, ARGUElles.  Just because you were soundly defeated in your kaechosang cause, you forecast doomsday.  Apres moi, le deluge, right?  You are hallucinating. The "darkness" in your painting is all in your head as a result of your Narcissism and self-aggrandizement.  Better check your helmets, baka hindi na magkasya dahil lumalaki-ng-lumalaki ang ULO mo1 

    • 33Sambuang

      yang mga obispong yan nagugutom ba? gumagawa ba sila ng paraan para mapakain ang mga walang nakakain. mahiya hiya kayo oi……. ganda ng sasakyan ninyo. regalo ng dating presidente…..bwa ng ina kayo…. ipokritong mga bakla

      • $20722540

        tanungin mo gobierno si pnoynoy tungkol sa pagkain ng walang makain.  meron trillion trillion ang gobierno para ipamigay sa tao.

  • nti_boohaya

    Annulment already existsto but it’s only for the rich and priviledged.  At least 3 senators can attest to that.  Divorce does the same purpose.  Siguro naman matataohan ang mga may mga kabit jan kabit dito, right seeer? 

  • Swiss_cheese23

    Hindi yan mga lari titigil hanggat hindi lumabas ang bill na dapat simbahan I tax na rin. Pag lumabas ang bill na yan saka natin maririnig sa bawat pari ” there is a separation of the church amd the state”

  • tracertony

    All nations adapted Divorce Law primarily because it greatly boosts up the national economy. It is a given fact on earth. Most countries which have Divorce Law are rich i.e. China, Vietnam, Japan, singapore, Thailand, S. Arabia, Russia, etc, to mention a few, and not to mention the richer countries. What is so special (or wrong) with the PHP in not embracing Divorce here? Is it mainly bec. of the catholic church? Let us put an end to being religious when it comes to millions of pinoys need divorce law to help them end their marital woes, thus have another chance of correcting their lives and be better people again.

  • mabyrik

    “Don’t rub salt in the wound.”-PDI said.

    I disagree.

    It is totally erasing the scar from a healed wound caused by a disease called “Padre Damaso”, which stagnated our growth and impeded the progress as a nation. 

    ‘The disease that had inflected the Filipino brains causing us to embrace the lying and abusive bishops, thereby blindly following them including that recommendation of a bishop that cheating is to be ignored because “everyone cheats anyway” and asking for SUV as a birthday gift is as decent as saying “Amen”. That disease which this nation has to endure for hundreds of years.

    If the bishops will choose among the next bill to be tackled by Congress, definitely it is not about divorce. They won’t allow it because they are not married.

    Another bill that the bishops will surely oppose is a proposal to tax the church. That’s a no-brainer. Only stupid will allow themselves to be taxed. They are not stupid, only callous, heartless or kapal-muks in local lingo. 

    The next bill that the bishops will agree 100% is the same-sex marriage. Why? More than half of them are bading, some are pedophiles, some bigamous. Everyone deserves “Safe and satisfying sex”, including the bishops.

    It’s time to move forward. RH is beyond us after shaming the bishops for intruding too much in a realm not theirs and to go to the next important bill, or divorce bill or whatever it is.

    • 33Sambuang

      you are absolutely correct. kung hindi bading, manyakis, me mga anak. nagkokolekta ng abuloy pero pagtapos san napunta… sa mga dukha ba? hindi doon sa inuman at sa videoke. hinahatid pa nga ang babae pagkatapos. hypocrites….

    • $20722540

      this line of blaming the church for the stagnation of our growth…progress…od this country…blah blah… is simply incredible…just bashing the church.  if this is happiness for you so be it. 

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    divorce lowers quality of marriage.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      With your “logic”, all of Philippine marriage should be “high quality”, right?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         some marriage are unfortunate. the abuser should be punished to change bad manner, not to make the abused a loser.

  • dikoy321

    Definitely, we have to DIVORCE this Church of the Middle Ages from the Filipino People and from the Philippine Government !

    WHY Must we LISTEN to dumb ideas of Bishops/Priests?

    They talk about us, DECIDE about our Welfare, but when problems crop up, they’re NOWHERE to be found, but perhaps having their FIVE Meals a day (3 MAIN Meals + 2 SNACKS!), if not taking SIESTA ! 

    Have you seen a sickly Bishop or Priest ?  Old, yes, but SICKLY, Seldom !

    While we WORK HARD and Sometimes have less than 3 Meals a day, they work LESS but have BOUNTIFUL Chow guaranteed everyday !

    How Come ?

    Something is WRONG with the Catholic Church ???

    GO GO GO For a DIVORCE Law to lessen the CHURCH TAKE on Annulments !!!

    Forward Philippines !!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      WHY Must we LISTEN to dumb ideas of Bishops/Priests?
      ==========================================
      Because CBCP are experts in marriage.  

      smh

    • $20722540

      definitely, there is nothing wrong with Catholic Church but i don’t know if you have done something good for yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    don’t wish things that you don’t understand.

    if the country has 80% divorce rate, you will know how bad the situation is.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      IF!!!

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         if a nation has half family divorced, the stability and morality would be very low, crimes would be very high.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        Where do you get these?  

        You are just spouting lies and ridiculous hyperbole.  

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

        divorce is not fun, is inglorious.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        Who said it’s fun?  

        You are not making sense.  It’s not fun.  It’s probably one of the worse thing someone will go through.  However, being force to stay with someone because the law says so is even worse.  

        For couples who are in agreement that they should not be together, both not “psychologically incapacitated”, shouldn’t they be given an option to legally end their marriage?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         that should be done before marriage, not after.

        that is why marriage should be made hard,and divorce harder.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        You didn’t answer my question.  

        Open your mind for a bit.  Think about the possibility that there will be married couples, who were in love, happy and swore to stay together, for some reason, fell out of love.  They are miserable together.  They tried everything.  Counselling, seminars etc.  You name it. They actually are happier not being together.  They realized this.  However, they are poor and can’t afford nor qualify for an annulment.  

        One or both of them found someone else.    One or both of them wanted to remarry.  Neither object to this.  

        What should they do?  

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         how many people live like what you had described ?

        you don’t need a bill to deal with that situation.

        if people changed, so is the marriage.

        that should be in marriage law.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        You still haven’t answered my question.

      • $20722540

        my gulay naman its fun because you can change partners or wives in seconds…kagaya ni kardashain at humphries.  

      • 33Sambuang

        dont think so. ang kitid ng isip mo…

      • RONNIE858

        hehehe, wala pang divorce sa Pinas, bakit NAPAKATAAS ang crime? Divorce is just an option…

      • frudo

        mataas n crime rate sa pinas  read matthew chapter 19 biblical ang divorce at ano ba masama kung may divorce sa pinas maaapektuhan ka ba nito, ang paniniwala mo ba ay kapareha ng paniniwala ng lahat ng tao, yung ideal sulution mo ba umubra sa lahat at applicable sa lahat, so bakit hindi natin bigyan ng pagpipilian tutal demokrasyang bansa tyo pag naipasa ang bill di tangapin natin pag hindi di okey lang din, bakit di nyo na lang amini na ang relihiyon nyo ay mapag alipin at gusto lagi sunod sunoran ang mga Pinoy, hindi nman lahat tyo sa Pinas katoliko? kung against ka sa divorce palagan mo rin ang annulment, lahat ng Katolikong bansa sa mundo may divorce law na PInas lang ang wala bakit ibgi ba sabihin mas magaling mas banal mas mataas ang moralidad natin kasya sa iba, or siga lang kasi at pakialamero lang ang relihiyon, just asking

    • AlexanderAmproz

      In Europe, divorce is accepted since 50 years,
      the divorce rate is about 50%, nobody complaining about !

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         do you think they are still superior than Asians ?

      • AlexanderAmproz

        No way, your comment show a colonial complex, isolationism, maybe racism.

        Easy to check, divorce has improved everybody life quality, no way to forbid divorce again.

        All around the World, 
        the only one who can’t understand this are Pilipino’s WHY ?

        It could be the impact of a fake Colonial Church or text books.

        Philippines is a very rich country. Did you notice, most can’t afford to buy a newspaper, food and medicines, books are out of reach, WHY ?

        What about education and knowledges ?
        Books and internet are the development keys,
        backward without, as simple than that,
        religions are not known to be progressives.

        A wrong “system” will produce destructions smelling death, a failed Country. 
        Nothing more normal,
        can’t step on the head long time with a wrong attitude…

  • farmerpo

    Divide the nation into what factions or fractions?? Divorce will only allow the dissolution of the ‘Kabit’ system. How many couples can’t stand each other but  are legally married and carry on with others? Adultery and concubinage is far worse than divorce yet is not seen by the CBCP, or is explicitly ignored.   Compatible and in love couples can’t be separated with or without divorce. Divorce is a legal and moral choice that should be within reach of our modern family.

    • cris0744

      One’s who can Afford and the those who can’t… it’s a selective process a divide that is already in practice.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    first they encourage people to lose virginity.
    now they encourage people to disrespect marriage.
    they are unholy, they are basstards.
     

    • Mike_1974

      and you are one bigot citizen!!

    • batid

       and you, john kaya juana

  • boshog

    As I keep saying the catholic church should just “SHUT UP” please.  Your prouncements are of no value to the government.  Again “SHUT UP”

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    divorce talk irks everybody, except the shameless.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      When you talk, you irk everybody.  

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         I only irk the shameless.

      • mamer2

        “Let he, who is without SIN cast ….”
        “Take of the bark from your eye….”

      • batid

         shameless or selfish juan kaya juan

    • mamer2

      Again…, a CONCLUSION with-OUT support in basics and facts.
      An outright, blind Conclusion mostly based on opinion and biases.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I had a poll and asked a question like:

    do you think marriage should be satisfying or sacrificing ?

    80% men : satisfying;
    90% women: sacrificing.

    • batid

       john kaya juan

  • 33Sambuang

    manahimik na nga kayong mga hinayupak na Cbcp. Dito sa Us and sa Europe nauubos ang pera ninyo dahil sa pambayad ninyo sa mga hayup na bakla at molesters na pari. Ilang milyong dolyares ba ang nauubos? Napapakain ba ninyo ang mga dukha? Ang gagara ng sasakyan ninyo pero ano, nandon ang mga pari ninyo sa videoke club. di ko nilalahat pero sana naman magpakatotoo kayo. there is a separation of the church and state and mind you, konti na lang naniniwala sa inyo dahil kulang kayo sa gawa at kumikiling pa sa politiko.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    men are selfish, don’t you think ?

  • accapistrano

    Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to God what is God’s. That is pretty clear taken from JC himself. The injunction is timeless as it is very relevant now. Secular law must be taken separately from religious law. Secular law must cater to all, not just christians.  What is applicable to christians must be applicable to muslims, buddhists, atheists and all. VICE VERSA. What the catholic church  is apprehensive about in this case is that the law will expose the non-effectiveness of the church and her priests in steering its flock. It is actually being exposed to its loss of its persuasive grip on issues of morality over its members. No question, the church is the bastion of morality, but it has no hold over its parishioners anymore.  The priests are not effective enough, or no longer effective in commanding following of the ways of the faith. Imagine the majority of those who would benefit from the law, CATHOLICS! It shows only how the priests FAILED in being teachers and vanguards of church rule. The government is just doing its job. Now BISHOPS, SHUT UP, take to the pulpit and mind your faithful!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTPMHSQOAVKY5DO6I3VU4VZ5PQ Jude

      a

    • Yobhtron

      Amen to that!

  • w33k3nd3r

    To the CBCP: I am ecstatically enjoying this. You are being dislodged from your make-believe seat of power that you have wrought upon my poor country for centuries. You RAPED my people psychologically, emotionally and even sexually. It would only take time before education, the Noli Me Tangere and the El filibusterismo could grow in the hearts and minds of my people and finally break us free from your sociopath tyranny.

    But we are not like you– we will not stone you to death or burn you at the stake or excommunicate you. We will move on with our lives as a people stronger, knowing that our relationship with God is personal and you are no better than any of us–most probably even worse. 

    Goodbye, Damaso! I hope you don’t humiliate yourselves further. The people are angry and your overweening pride could make things much worse than they already are.

    • mamer2

      If you are Christian…, what denomination are you..?
      Why are there so many Christian denominations…, each not agreeing with the rest..?
      Which, therefore, is the RIGHT ONE…?.?.?

      • KapitanBagwis

        Itanong mo sa bulaklak..lol

        Sabi ng INC sila daw.

      • w33k3nd3r

        I am a non practicing Catholic. I have learned, that with people like these running the sect I’m in; I’d rather communicate with my Creator on my own than going through these corrupt hypocrites. hey are poorly leading by example. There is no right one. By making it right, we then declare that the others are wrong. The point is, we are all sharing the same planet.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    divorce bill is rich men’s bill, period.

    • Mike_1974

      you lack discernment and clearly full of BS!!!

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         the bill has some side effects, however.

      • Mike_1974

        well wake up and face realities. you want perfection? kill yourself and go to hell!!!

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         that is the point.
        when you married, you should not expect perfection, you should be prepared for unfortunate.

        compromise and sacrifice are the keys.

      • frudo

        ideal yan tama yan pero di yan ang realidad  

      • batid

         JUAN kaya juan.

      • KapitanBagwis

        “prepared for unfortunate”  ~ ano yun?

      • Mike_1974

        OMG!! Life is too short to make yourself miserable for the rest of your life! compromise and sacrifice are total BS. dont impose  your dogma to others. if you want to compromise and sacrifice, then please do. dont impose it to others please!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        It’s Bill not Pill.  

    • mamer2

      Which is “the Rich Man’s System”…,
         1. Divorce…, or 
         2. Annulment… ?

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I used to poll married men:

    what is your super wife?

    1. super cook;
    2. supper mom;
    3. super baby-sitter;
    4. super sexual;
    5. super diplomatic;
    6. super obedient;
    7, others, explain.

    answer is 7, explain: all of the above.

    • brunogiordano

      Iyan ang nais ng mga –

      BABAE-HATERS!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PHPM7ZIPGE5DYHRUYRZBPQGHZQ AlexC105

    The RC is against divorce as their revenue source from annulments will go down. Annulments in the vast majority of cases is a big sham because it’s main contention is that there was no marriage to begin with. We come across couples who have multiple children and who were together for years and yet the Church can come to a conslusion that no marriage existed? Its obviously a whole lot of BS and the well-to-do use it to get out of their marriages by hook-or-by-crook.

  • Beware chinese eat humans.

    i am pro RH bill but i am anti divorce.

  • w33k3nd3r

    Are you saying my lesbian aunts are aligned with the culture of death? Why, you dirty old a$$hole! You have no right to degrade any of my family and loved ones, no matter what orientation they are. You don’t know them, you sniveling piece of dog $hit! You’ve never lived with us to see how nice they are and how supportive they can be to any of us. We accept them for what they are and we love them. Go to H3ll, Jose Palma. If you were anywhere near me, I’d humiliate you in public for the bigot that you are.

  • brunogiordano

    “Catholic Church leaders warned that the proposal to introduce divorce in the Philippines would further divide the country after the bitter debate over the contentious reproductive health (RH) bill and implant a “culture of death” in the nation.”

    Mali!!!!

    Ang DIVORCE pag sinalungat ng mga mga sinugaling na pari, obispo, cardinal at ng kanilang mga sunusunuran mga alipin ay lalong sisiklab ang galit ng buong bayan sa kanila.

    Nabisto na ng sambayanan na lahat ng inyong pagdarasal laban sa RH ay HINDI DININIG.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRDGZHO73F5SCBMJO3BGCPXR6E Nilo C

      Lahat na lang gustong paki-alaman ng simbahan. Kulang nalang sabihin na “Umalis kayo dyan sa mga puesto at kaming mga Pari ang Magpatakbo ng Pinas”.

    • $20722540

      halatang hindi ka nagdadasal…sabi ng Diyos at His own time…hindi sa oras mo

      • brunogiordano

        “halatang hindi ka nagdadasal…”

        TAMA!!!!!!!

        Hindi ako nagdadasal para sa kapahamakan ng ibang tao.

  • mabyrik

    I am sharing Raul Manglapus elocution piece-”Land of Bondage Land of the Free”, written more that 50 years because it is very timely and because it indirectly hit the church for abuses during Spanish regime. FYI, this is the piece i delivered in an elocution contest when I was in 1st year HS, which I did not win for being a lousy orator. With your indulgence, here it is.

     ”Ladies and gentlemen,
    The tao does not come here today to be judged but to judge.
    Hear then his accusations and his judgment.
    I indict the Spanish encomendero for inventing taxes impossible to bear.
    I indict the usurer for saddling me with debts impossible to pay.
    I indict irresponsible radicals who undermine with insidious eloquence, (Manglapus was referring to  friars and padre damaso-Mabyrik), the confidence of my kind in the government.
    You accuse me of not supporting my family. Free me from bondage and I shall prove you false.
    You accuse me of ignorance, but I am ignorant because my master finds it profitable  to keep me ignorant (like what CBCP is doing now-mabyrik). Free me from bondage and I shall prove you false.
    You accuse me of indolence, but I am indolent not because I have no will but because I have no hope. Why should I labor when all the fruits of my labor go to pay an unpayable debt? Free me from bondage and I shall prove you false.
    Give me land, land to own, land that is unbeholden to any tyrant, land that will be free. Give me land for I am starving. Give me land so that my children may not die. Sell it to me, sell it to me at a fair price, as one free man sells to another and not as a usurer sells to slave. I am poor but I will pay it. I will work and work until I fall with weariness for my privilege, my inalienable right to be free. 
    But if you will not grant me this last request, this ultimate demand, then build a wall around your homes, build it high, build it strong and place a sentry in every parapet. For I, who have been silent silent for 300 years will come in the night when you are feasting with my cry and my bolo at your door.
    And may God have mercy on your soul (sotto palgiarized this portion in his latest privilege speech-mabyrik)’

    By-Raul Manglapus

  • disqus_CudSy1ZeHQ

    Church dragging this country down to barbaric era, divorce is there to protect wife, husband and abusive marrage, why this church do their own bussiness and not interfere to country progressive effort to change..

  • brunogiordano

    Dahil sa RH nabisto ang mga OBVIOUS na kasinungaligan ng mga PARI, OBISPO, CARDINALS at ng kanilang mga masunurin alipin.

    Sa dami ng kanilang DASAL, PRAYER RALLIES AT MISA LABAN sa RH – WALANG DININIG.

    TAMA si CARDINAL MARTINI, 200 years behind ang VATICAN.

    TAMA ang MAJORITY CATHOLICS na mga PROGESSIVE/LIBERAL sa kanilang mga VALUES na sinusunod ngayon.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    one must have the highest standard for marriage.
    marriage is more than 1 +1 =2.
    if you don’t understand this, you should not raise you hand.

    • mamer2

      I thought “Marriage” would result in 1 + 1 = 1 …?
      ( “…and the TWO  shall be ONE” )

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_72KS45XZH4EFSMDCKIGIIMYMDY Michael A

        1×1 = 1 ang marriage? :D

  • Garo Ungaro

    Divorce has been in place for a long time…between the Church and the State its as clear as that.
    co mingling maybe, is not a good idea…the Church is fine with their rule as the spiritual sanctuary for the people…The State is the economic/political provider for the people…if they can maintain is existence the maybe, will be better off, as a progressive nation…?

  • brunogiordano

    Pag sinalungat ng CBCP ang DIVORCE magkakaroon talaga ng tunay na DIVISION –

    PEOPLE of the PHILIPPINES vs CBCP at kanilang mga masunurin alipin.

  • joerizal

    How about allowing priests to marry? Tutal marami naman sa kanila ang manyakis, so pabayaan na lang silang mag-asawa para maranasan nila kung paano ma-ander-de-saya.

    • frudo

      yun ang dapat magasawa sila para maranasan nila ang buhay may asawa,  para maranasan din nila gumamit ng contraceptives sakaling di pumayag ang mga asawa nila na magkaroon ng maraming anak, kaya sila magaling komontra di nman nila nararanasan ang totoong realidad ng buhay na may asawa or mga anak

      • joerizal

        Tingnan natin kung makapagmisa sila habang nagpapasuso sila ng anak o kaya nilalagnat ang anak nila at kailangang itakbo sa ospital. Tingnan natin kung hindi sila magsuot ng condom kapag sampu na ang anak nila na hindi mapakain.

  • duhconsul

    Stuck in the dark ages. move on guys, it’s the 21st century.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Let’s keep irking these Bishops until they drop dead.  Even though there’s no divorce in the Philippines, there’s annulment which is not much different.  The problem is it’s the rich and celebrities who can afford annulment.  And the one making money out of this is the church and the priests.  If there’s divorce, it would affect the church’s pockets.

    • KapitanBagwis

      Yes, with the divorce law, no more annulment money for the Roman Catholic Church. Even the rich will avail of the divorce law if the need arises. 

  • mamer2

    ONE QUESTION About DIVORCE…?
    Were the Biblical Israelite-s allowed to divorce …?

    • frudo

      matthew chapter 19 biblical ang divorce

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

        PRE HAYAAN MO NA LANG SI MAMER2, madami siguro yang anak sa labas kaya natatakot sa DIVORCE LAW. alam mo naman ang divorce law pag apprve na kelangan panagutan yung mga aankan mo kundi kulong ka

      • frudo

        uu nga malamang  sabi ko nga eh bakit takot yata sila sa divorce law eh kung talgang maganda pangangaral nila sa meyembro nila malamang hindi nila pansinin ang divorce law na to kasi ok yung pangangaral nila eh kaso  takot sila so ibig sabihin malamang di sila susundin,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

    Divorce is nararapat sa bayan, makakabuti yun para mabawasan ang descrimination pag dating sa babae, kaya nga nauso yung word na SISA diba. Ipagpatuloy nyo yan para umunlad ang bansa

  • Copernicus99

    These Catholic bishops are hypocrites. While they vehemently oppose divorce, the Catholic Church continues to grant marriage annulments to the privileged who can afford. Practice what you preach. Stop granting annulments and, maybe, people will believe that the Catholic Church is sincere in opposing a divorce law. Clean your ranks of pedophiles and corrupt priests and, perhaps, the integrity of the Church may be restored. Tend to your own flock. Not every Filipino is a Catholic. 

  • Chloroform

    in this trying times, have more faith in the faithful…

  • batid

     Divorce will not be a very good development, in my own personal opinion,
    especially after the RH bill that has so severely divided the nation,”
    Bacani said in an interview. “It will further divide the country.”

    very hard to understand who divide the nation. all expect the only one  who doesn’t want to move this country forward. using the catholic vote are all lies. people must know their own right to select lawmakers and servant of our state and not a dictate by some groups.

    we need law that’s why we have the state and the state are the people which is the government who will vote for to elect our public servants.

    our nation is not divided Pilipinos and lawmakers who know their duties are one. lets move on, provide the law for all and not only for some.

    lets us vote for leaders who have strong leadership not does who are only for their own stature.

    DIVORSE THE TIME IS NOW.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3MQCMLOZ2KRHSIYGCJ7FSO2DQ Juan

      of course magandang development talaga yan, Dahil ang Divorce law is hindi lang naman para sa actual divorce mapreprevent din ang pag hihirap dahil biruin mo, d bastah bastah aanakan ng lalaki yung babae mag dadalawang isip sila kung kaya nilang panagutan yung bata  kung hindi makukulong sila. 

      Ang nangyayari kasi sa bansa isa sa dahilan kung bakit marami nag hihirap dahil ang dami dyan na babae inanakan tapus iiwanan ng lalake parang nag paraos lang  at legal na nangyayari sa bansa. Panahon na the time is now

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WWZMSQ4Z74QJUPXFOMEKD6KKFM kronos

    “The RH bill severely divided the country” daw.  Hello……was there any survey that that supports this?   More than half the people I know are FOR the RH bill.  The Church still continues to assume their word should be the one to follow or forever be damned in hell.  Our representatives are the ones who dont consult the people they represent before they vote on the RH Bill.  If they did—the voting result could have been an easy landslide for the PRO.

    • GaryFil

       ”More than half the people I know are FOR the RH bill”.  Kaya nga “divided” eh…

    • $20722540

      landslide nga yong results for the yes vote bakit bakt siempre sinalpak ng malacanang yong pdaf at sanctioned sa mga lp members…natakot tuloy kaya bumoto ng yes na lang para tuloytuloy ang ligaya

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I did a poll in 2011. I polled children:

    would you like your parents stay together ?

    100% said yes.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    life is living sacrifice and couples should be a living example of this.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      The lives of the priests mas lalo ng LIVING SACRIFICE, they should be living examples more than the common people.  Kaso, marami ring Scandalong pagmomolestya galing sa mga kapari-an.  Bago sila mangaral, linisin muna nila ang kanilang bakuran.

      The law only gives people a choice, The law does NOT force people to divorce, in the same manner God gave us free will.  Sinabi lang ng Diyos what is right or wrong, hindi namimilit ang Diyos.  Ang Diyos hindi nga namilit na sundin yung utos niya, PARI pa kaya?

      What a hypocrisy.

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         hypocrite ? explain please.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        Yang mangangaral na mali daw ang DIVORCE, pero yung mga escandalo nila, inaassign lang ang mga pari sa ibang parokya kung ito ay nangmolestya sa ibang lugar.  mga epokrito ang taong nangangaral ano ang tama KONO, without realizing marumi ang kanyang bakuran.

      • KapitanBagwis

        Explain hypocrite? You don’t know the hypocrisy of the modern day Damasos or you do not know the meaning of hypocrisy.

      • $20722540

        pagmali pinili mo kasalanan.  sabi nga nila, its easy to do the wrong things rather than doing the right things.  puede rin sabihin hindi ka naman pinilit na magasawa ng Diyos para hindi magdivorce.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         tumpak. the law only gives people a choice, it does not force people to divorce, in the same manner God gave us the free will to choose from whats right or wrong. Hindi namimilit ang Diyos na sundin ang utos niya, sinabi lang niya ano ang tama o mali, bakit ba itong mga pari namimilit na ang Diyos naman hindi namimilit.

    • KapitanBagwis

      hehehe…nice try friend :)

  • mamer2

    If the CHURCH is so adamant in abolishing/banning “Divorce” from our system…, then
    let the CHURCH also abolish/ban “Annulment”.

    It is the height of hypocrisy to annul a marriage with the proclamation that a marriage had never existed after years of togetherness, of the couple, resulting in several off-springs.
    This practice of “annulment” can only be availed by the rich and NOT by the poor, in our society.

    Further insulting out intelligence, by being contradictory in not calling the off-springs,”illegitimate”, in-spite of their contention that the marriage had never existed.

    Many things, in this “annulment”  thing appears so choreographed & un-natural,
    just to make it fitting.

    • frudo

      nadale mo bro

  • Magkanoka?

    As if only the catholic leaders knows what is right and what is wrong. Our government is just laying down alternatives for the people which is very healthy in a democratic society. Why don’t you allow the people to exercise their freedom of choice? Divorce is not a mandatory law that once enacted, either of the couple can immediately resort to if their marriage failed. Both must be willing to engage.  Besides, the price of acquiring freedom under the divorce law is not money but children per se! I don’t think that every Filipino can afford this price. However, we cannot dictate others to do what they think is best or necessary for them. Remember, there is no healthy family in a failed marriage and a broken family could not uphold a stronger society. It’s a no win situation, either way. At least, there’s a high priced and of lesser evil alternative compared to keeping a shattered marriage where either of the couple engage secretly in immorality.

  • GaryFil

    Divorce?!

    Just last year, a man going through a divorce in one of the State in US, gunned-down his family, then gone to the Police Station, in front of Policemen, put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. This is just one story out of millions, because of divorce.

    The rotten western society, they want it to be shoved down in the throats of countless Filipinos…

    • GaggerAlert

      Well, perhaps that’s the reason his wife divorced him?

      Who the heck would want to live with a deranged person anyways?

      • GaryFil

        Yes, that is why divorce was designed by the westerners, to suddenly spit out what you have swallowed that is bad tasting.  But in reality, its only promiscuity dictates this kind of actions.

        I also read one comment, that it could be done that minimum requirement is having a child 18 yrs or over to lessen trauma… Its the same banana if you would divorce someone today or tomorrow.

      • GaggerAlert

        An Extramarital affair is indeed a reason for divorce. However this is not always the case. Domestic violence is the 2nd reason for divorce.

        There are other reasons why couples divorce, so blaming it solely on promiscuity is inaccurate.

      • GaggerAlert

        You changed your statement.

        I don’t remember anything about this requirement. Also, its not yet implemented as law. So bantering about something that is yet ratified makes no sense. This is just all bruhahaha in order to scare the populace.

        I’ve never heard that there’s an age requirement for for your child in order to get a divorse. Its more traumatizing that when you reach 18, those 18 years you’re living with your family as a lie. I’d rather have it done as early as possible and move on.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E2V7QUMFK3JR7GWHPUF7MNVIJQ Kudi

      at ilan ang kasong ganyan sa tingin mo sa  milyon milyong mag asawa?

      at ilan sa tingin mo ang nag hihirap na magasawa pati mga anak dahil hindi sila pwedeng maghiwalay kahit suklam na suklam na sila sa isa’t isa?

      di naman pinagpipilitan na mag divorce and bawat magasawa.   remedyo lang to para sa mga magasawang wala nang pag asa ang relasyon.  nakakatulong para maging productive uli mga buhay nila.  

      sabi, kawawa daw mga anak.  balooney!   mas kawawa ang mga anak at natu-trauma pag nakikita nilang nagsisigawan at nagbubugbugan ang parents sa harap nila mismo. 

      kung walang problema mag asawa,  walang dahilan para mag divorce.

      mahirap talagang maging objective dahil bata pa tayo  sagad sagad na utak natin sa religious, social at cutural  programming na pinagsaksakan sa atin habang lumalaki tayo.

      religion?  lahat tayo atheist nang pinanganak.   

    • BruinBearDad

      Rotten western society?  You are nuts!  How many families in the Philippines have the “other woman”?  Now tell yourself the truth because it is so prevalent in the Philippine society (for decades now) that, despite our supposedly Catholic faith, there are so many men who are philanderers and actually have second families.  The women and their children are subjected to all the pain or having to stay with a person who is unfaithful or is abusive.  I know that firsthand and I certainly know of many more who have been in the same situation.  Before you even retort, I just celebrated 25 years with the same woman, no extramarital affairs.  But let me tell you, I will be the first one to divorce my wife if she turned out to be a psycho/philanderer and I fully expect her to do the same.  I would rather be single than to live a life with someone and both of us, including the kids, be miserable.

  • daniboy2012

    Catholic priests don’t know shiiit about divorce..coz they are not married.. CATHOLICISM SHOULD BE BAN IN THE PHILIPPINES..it makes pinoys dumb and backward.

    • $20722540

      you don’t have to be a farmer to plant pichay or a fisherman to fish

      • Mike_1974

        layo  naman ng analogy mo. stop comparing  fishing and planting to divorce!!

      • $20722540

        wag kang literal

      • Mike_1974

        why dont you inspect your whole analogy? if you think you made a good point, then you lack reasoning skills. having said that, I suggest you go back to your HS teacher!!!!

      • daniboy2012

        ….crappy!!!

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    most bloggers here are bachelors.
    they know nothing about marriage.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      Did the priests understand what LIVING SACRIFICE is all about?   Ang living sacrifice po ay yung makapigil sa sarili sa pagnanasa sa katawan at maka iwas ng pangmolestya ng bata.

    • frudo

      and how about you married ka na ba? 

    • dickenhead

      you mean all the bloggers here are all men?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XWH5SD6XPM3XKND6PJQQ32ZRAU Mabuhay

    daming safeguards na pwdeng gawin sa divorce RP style. For example, it can impose that the youngest child of a parent who seeks divorce must be at least 18 yrs old to lessen the trauma it might bring, if any.

    Bakit pipilitin ng simbahan na magsama ang 2 tao na talagang hindi naman pwede. Dami jan mga babae na puro bugbog ang inaabot sa kanilang asawa….Ang simbahang katoliko ay masyadong outdated na ang pananaw…….Priests and bishops think that they have the monopoly of knowledge, morality, and wisdom. You are mere guides and NOT dictators.

    • $20722540

      kong binubog, ireport sa police.  bakit ba kasi nagasawa ng bubogbog.  magaantay ka ba ng 18 years na bibubogbog bago mo idivorce

  • jgc225

    I’m sure the divorce proceedings didn’t have anything to do with his having gone in a shooting spree. In the USA people like anywhere else have mental problems and together with their gun culture, that makes a dangerous cocktail.

  • Jeane Peracullo

    What is this sacred notion of marriage this bishop talking about?  If it were so sacred, why are they not married themselves?  Isn’t the privileging of celibacy suggests that there is profanity in marriage that they do not want the priests to be sullied with?  A knee-jerk reaction once again on what could be an opportunity to reflect on from a Catholic, ethical perspective.

  • GaggerAlert

    Slowly the CBCP is loosing its foothold on politicians.

    Which is good btw. No more priests like his excellency Cardinal Sin,calling out stupid rallies in Edsa.

    • dickenhead

      even if they call people power at edsa nobody will show up

  • KapitanBagwis

    This Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines is the epitome of hypocrisy. They vehemently reject divorce but they allow annulment.

    Maybe because the word annulment is not in the bible? And the word divorce is in the bible.

    These CBCP members are mostly hypocrite.

  • Hey_Dudes

    I suppose if one really wants to put it bluntly, rather than using the word “irks”, the better operative word should have been – “pricked” You wonder of this group, who can be throwing the nastiest tantrum on the RH bill loss.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    legalize divorce is like legalize drugs.
    it meets desires of a few, but make a nation vulnerable. 

  • turbogirl9

    CAN THIS GUY BE TRUSTED?  BEFORE SAID WANT TO ENTER PRIESTHOOD, NOW WANT TO HAVE FIVE (5) CHILDREN. THE GOOD LIAR LEADER………. TO LEAD THE NATION.

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

       you are not talking about me, are you ?

  • GaryFil

    Yes, that is why RH Bill is being celebrated.  It is the start of something, it is the start or a precedence.  Anything now is possible (Abortion, Divorce, Same-Sex Marriage, etc), that is how the US came into a realization their society is becoming rotten.  Now you want to bring this to all Filipinos? Speak for yourselves!

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       nagpapatawa ka ba? Dahil ba sa mga batas ng US sa Divorce, same sex marriage, abortion kaya naging BULOK or ROTTEN sila?  Eh bakit wala namang batas sa Pilipinas sa mga ganyan bakit naging ROTTEN ang simbahang katoliko ng pilipinas sa mga sexual scandal at pangmolestya ng mga bata?  The law only gives a choice and does not force people to divorce.

      Maski wala pa yang mga batas na gangyan sa Pinas, naging rotten pa rin ang mga katolikong Pilipinong pari sa mga sexual scandals.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E2V7QUMFK3JR7GWHPUF7MNVIJQ Kudi

      any country is rotten as long as it is ran by psychopaths.  and the pihilippines is no exception.   have you been reading the news about the philippines?  it is only now that things are moving to a positive direction.  what else is there to lose?   tell me how much worse it could get in the philippines.

    • Muhamad chan

      Rotten ba ang me almost 1 million Filipinos and TNT Filipinos na nakatira sa US of A. Isama po ang milyong Pinoy na nangangarap ng American dream lol

    • IsipPinoy

      Only the Philippines and your mother country the Vatican are the only two states that do not have a divorce law. So everyone else is rotten? What kind of logic is that? I don’t blame you for having that kind of thinking you’ve probably been brainwashed so hard by your church.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44QGTQXFYHNVPNMX453LWBPMXM Opel

    the proposal to pass a divorce bill after the passage of the RH law shows the political reality that the catholic church lacks the support from the electorate to effectively restrain and threaten the lawmakers into submitting to its religious views. this deteriorating influence can only be blamed on the church hierarchy and its failure to  reconcile and address concerns and needs of the people during present times.

  • turbogirl9

    HIS ADMINISTRATION  LOW MORALITY.

    • dickenhead

      you mean the CBCP?

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    hello, I am not a dumb.
    I can tell you this: this bill will make divorce rate dramatically increase.
    the nation will pay the price.

    • Isagani Gatmaitan

      “this bill will make divorce rate dramatically increase”…. meron na palang divorce dati? eh di ano ang i increase?

      • totan

        he is dumb

  • Isagani Gatmaitan

    Says Rep Rodriguez: “You might bring the country to the moral brink”

    Anohhhh?  Anong “moral brink” pinagsasabi mo diyan?  Lumingon ka sa mga kasamahan mo sa congress, sa cbcp, sa gobyerno, … murderers, addicts, lechers, fornicators, pedophiles…

    We might as well call a spade a spade and then move on as a secular country without any moral pretenses…..  Onward with the Divorce Bill! 

  • Cobra

    it’s time CBCP open their eyes, even Italy,France & Spain who introduced Catholism to the Philippines allows divorce.Even priests who don’t want to continue being priest can get a divorce from their sacred bows.The hypocricy of Bishop Bacani is regrettable having sired children himself while supposed to be celebate.Divorce is a choice between couples who falls out of love,it also avoids the lifelong misery to married couples & their children.

    • lucidlynx

      The good thing about the Catholic Church in Italy, France, and Spain is that they don’t meddle in state affairs. They respect their constitution when it comes to the separation of church and state.

      The Catholic Church in the Philippines does not respect the Constitution of the Republic. Therefore, they also don’t deserve our respect.

      • Yxon

        were you there?

  • Muhamad chan

    These men, if they are really men, will never understand because they have not experienced getting married.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       You will never understand also the feeling of battered wife, kung tarantado ang husband niya.  Subukan mo muna kung ano ang feeling kung gawin kang punching bag ng asawa mo.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    why are so many hypocrites out there ?

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       well the bible speaks HYPOCRITES wearing robes, are you talking about them?

    • frudo

      isa ka rin dun

    • dickenhead

      yeah you’re right. one example is this bishop bacani, he has been involved in a scandal, in case you don’t know

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHOO2MG76BSNSHWQIFFJRYYX7E fox

    “Divorce will not be a very good development, in my own personal
    opinion, especially after the RH bill that has so severely divided the
    nation,” Bacani said in an interview. “It will further divide the
    country.” 
    - and so is incessant meddling of the Catholic Church on state affair

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       Christ himself said he will cause divisions.  Now are you saying he is not for the good? Divisions is for the good.

      • Yxon

        division as said by Christ is that; because you are going on the ways of the good in following Jesus, you could be separated from friends and even parents because of differing views. theirs earthly, yours of Christ.  

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         You can still follow CHRIST even there is a divorce law.  The divorce law gives only people the option. This does not force people to separate.  Ang Diyos nga hindi namimilit sundin ang utos niya, sinabi lang niya ano ang tama at mali, and gave us free will to choose. Bakit ba namimilit itong mga pari?  The law only gives the option. nasa tao na iyon.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    ok, analyse this:

    wife wants to divorce because husband beats her and this is exactly what the divorce bill is about: to protect the abused wife.

    first, you should put that thug hoodlum in jail. that is called protection.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      I thought you are CATHOLIC and you are CHRISTIAN, like the priests who are obedient to the laws of GOD.  Didn’t God preach about forgiveness? and why would you send the HUSBAND BEATER to prison gayong, sabi ng Diyos magpatawad ka?  Would you like to preach only about DIVORCE being FORBIDDEN and not discuss about FORGIVENESS to the HUSBAND BEATER.

      Double Standard ba ang pangangaral rito?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         nerve touched.

         you can batter wife and ask forgiveness and divorce. what kind of man is this ?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        When did I say the man beats wife, ask forgiveness and divorce? The question is addressed to you (not to the HUSBAND BEATER) how come you are preaching DIVORCE is forbidden, and give due punishment to HUSBAND BEATER and not discuss about forgiveness at the same time WHEN all of these are the doctrines of the church.

      • Yxon

        forgiveness is no problem and  could be given by the wife; but he has answer to the civil and criminal laws of the country.  

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         so you mean to say what makes it justifiable because it is the LAW of the COUNTRY.  So if DIVORCE becomes into LAW, the question whether DIVORCE is wrong is no longer a valid issue? Is that what you mean?

      • Yxon

        There was an example on the husbands beating the wife and had to go to jail. 

        my position is he had to go to jail because he had violated one of the laws of the land.

        yes, if divorce would be made into law , then you have to follow (even if that law is flawed or against your conscience and religion) or else you suffer the consequence.  
        seems like time nearing Revelation 13;16-17?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         and why did Pope John Paul requested the release of HIS ASSASIN from PRISON and this current POPE sent his staff to prison for breach of confidentiality?  Who is right or wrong between the two?

      • Yxon

        there is no conflict on their actions. the would be assassin of Pope John II was imprisoned by virtue of his violation of the laws. same as with the staff of Pope Benedict XVI. From the start, PPII had no ill feelings against Agra. However, Agra had served jail sentence (10+ years?). I dont think if it’s PPII who ordered the release as Ive read before that he had visited Agra still in jail. And, it was not PBXVI who sent his staff to jail. It was the Vatican authority.

  • dickenhead

    the priests & bishops are already shaking on their boots. they know that if divorce bill will be legislated next it will also pass through & becomes a law. I hope the lawmakers will consider taxation for the church’s properties & businesses first

    • Yxon

      the priests will have no problem with that;  its us and the society who would suffer in this diabolic contents of our reps heads.

  • BruinBearDad

    “The Philippines is the only country in the world beside the Vatican”…that alone is a very telling statement.  Every other country in the world has divorce.   Which means every country in the world realizes that divorce is needed in every civilized society.

  • To_Be_Continued

    Statements, current and future activities declared by the bishops, individually, and the CBCP as the national organization of the Catholic heirarchy in the Philippines gave ma a VERY STRONG impression that CBCP is a POLITICAL PARTY, not a religious organization with the bishops as its political strategists.

    The bishops’ energy, time and knowledge are so consumed at how to dictate what laws the congress and the senate must pass instead of “looking in” on how to correct the church’s own malpractices, corruption, sex-abuse cases of its priests, and spiritual being.

    The Church is losing its grip on the heart of its fiathful because its main focus is on earthly matters rather than man’s spiritual and religious upliftment.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    ok, analyse that:

    the husband has a new mistress, and he wants to divorce.

    this kind of low life behaviour should be punished. one should not make the other suffering because selfish reasons.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       And how about those who DIVORCED but not by PAPER wala bang punishment iyon?
      May punishment ang HUSBAND na may kerida, pero yung naghiwalay na, pero hindi lang maigawang legal dahil walang DIVORCE LAW walang punishment?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         the point is that the divorce bill makes cheating easier.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        nagpapatawa ka ba?  Wala tayong DIVORCE BILL ang amerika mayroon, pero ilan ang nabuntis ng mga PARING pinoy? ilan ang namolestya ng mga paring PINOY?

        The absence of the DIVORCE LAW did not curb any immorality even on the men in robes.

        Kung cheater ka, cheater ka talaga, hindi dahil prohibited ng batas, Yung Amerika na liberal ang mga batas walang pinagkaiba sa resulta sa immoralidad among the priests of the Catholic church, whether in the US or in the Philippines.

  • tyopaeng

    kulit nyo kasi!!!

  • Bengatibo

    The country is not divided. It is the Catholic Church meddling in politics and state affairs that is dividing the country. There are pro-RH and Anti RH who have differing opinions on the issue but this is a healthy sign democracy exist in the Philippines. Ang husay gumatong nang issue ang media na agad naman nasunggaban nang mga netizens. 

  • WAJ

    What’s good for the country is the division of the Church and State. Church leaders should keep themselves within the wall of their church. They should not mingle with politics because they don’t have business with them in the first place. Divorce should be legal in the Philippines. 

  • LegalJustice

    Since these Priest, Bishops and Cardinals are minggling into politics its now time that these Churchs be taxed.

    And since they are not following the teaching of Jesus Christ and most of the time they confused and misled a lot of people and some of them are corrupt and pedophiles.

  • Yxon

    more activity for the church and the its lay organizations to educate the uneducated and the poor, and the young.  catechesis should not be left to the hands of the cathechist which is a shallow understanding of the church’s doctrine. there should be follow up seminars especially during the pre-teen and in teen years where it is a time for the principles of a child to be molded.

  • turbogirl9

    DIVORCE BILL means destroying marriaged life, become broken family.

    • IsipPinoy

      Hey, girl! If your husband is beating you everyday and engages in extra-marital affairs your marriage itself is already destroyed and your family already broken. Tell us how will divorce destroy something that is already destroyed? The truth is divorce is a way out of a failed and/or unhappy marriage. Get real!

    • UrHONOR

      BOSH!  Nonsense.  Divorce does not break any family….people break family.

      • demonYOU

         yung madonselya ka sa waput mo yung ang siguradong break pero maligaya ka naman, di ba? kasi enjoy na enjoy ka talaga!

  • gregory robinson

    The catholic church needs to focus on their pedofile priests who regularly abuse young children. Until you have your own house in order, claiming to be so Righteous, then you can talk about families.

    • brunogiordano

      Payo sa mga magulang huwag palapitin at pasamahin nagiisa ang inyong anak sa mga pari, obispo at cardinals ng makaiwas ang mga anak ninyo sa

      SEXUAL ABUSE!!!!!!.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCQMRK4HVOSF2IGML46TAGKMXU Benjamin

    Too many Catholic priests have children out of wedlock. If the Philippines and the Vatican are the only ones without divorce law, then it shows one thing… We as a nation are far behind others and we will continue to be left behind because of the Catholic Church. The only religion dividing our people is the Catholic Church. The other sects like INC, Protestants, Born Again, 7th Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. are all in favor of the RH bill and I presume also of the divorce bill. Look at these movie stars in the Philippines. Let me cite you celebrities with so many children from different women and all because they confess to be catholics. Ramon Revilla Sr. has more than 70 kids fro other girls, Dolphy had more than 20 from different women, Lou Salvador Sr. had 80 offsprings and there are many politicians too that have so many wives (although married only once) that they hide in public. Divorce is needed now that the RH is a law.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    Sinasabi ko na nga ba eh! “Masyadong maaga pa eh pinipitas na ang bunga!”…This will be the consequence happened if after an immediate results of RH Bill eh isusunod na agad ang Divorve Bill kahit malayo pa! Sariwa pa sa isipan ng mga tao ang impact ng RH Bill then,ETO NA AGAD! We have to give “space and time” for ourselves to breath and clear our mind! Hindi yung “Paura-urada” First,What is the impact of the word DIVORCE in a 95% Catholic Christian country?

    To make things clear,why not instead of divorce,BOTH Government and Church MUST meet in the middle to work out on “Strengthening the Values and Morals of Marriage”for example:

    1) Marriage must be acquire for both Church and Civil as recognize as Legal Status.Failure to acquire BOTH is considered VOID and ILLEGAL,subject for punishment by Law!
    2) There shall be no marriage acquire through any influence of third parties (Parents,Relatives or any Legitimate guardian)
    3) In case a young woman get pregnant,Parents shall not force any of both concerned person to get married! Instead Parents of Man are liable to pay for subsidies or damages being done until BOTH (Man and Woman) reach the age of 21 and with both jobs to sustain a family.
    4) Marriage can only be acquire if both parties reach the required Maturity of age (both above 21!) and with BOTH reasonable JOBS to sustain building a better family.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       bakit MASYADONG MAAGA PA gayong ang PINAS nalang ang tanging country na walang DIVORCE law? hindi ka ba nagbasa?

      Masyadong maaga? o tayo ang pinaka LATE?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        This is not an overnight decision! Lahat ng bagay ay pinag-aaralan muna at hindi padagus-dagos! Isipin mo,DIVORCE itself has a very great impact among filipino people! Masasagasaan mo diyan ang mga religious organization na tumutulong sa tuwing may natural disaster! Another is it will affect children studying in a Catholic school throughout Philippines….So,PAG-ARALAN MUNA ANG STRATEGY!…Ok?…Hindi ako against sa divorce but think of the consequences as a whole!

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         The presence or absence of the DIVORCE law does not have any impact.  Alam mo kung bakit?  Wala tayong Divorce Law pero ang Amerika Mayroon.  Ganoon pa rin naman whether nandiyan o mayroon Yung mga Paring Pinoy marami pa ring nabuntis at namolestya na mga bata.  Walang epek ang batas na iyan, it does not affect our morality, not even it affects the morality of the Filipino priests.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        Ang point ko lang naman dito eh mag-isip ka muna! Yun lang!

    • louie

      the RH is not even signed into a law. how can you say you feel its impact?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        In general,Filipino reactions and emotions act like a sword in compare to the words being signed into a law!…Maybe you have a different point of view (let me say 1:10 ratio) Ikaw yung 1 but hindi lang ikaw ang Pinoy.

      • louie

        really? the people rallying against this measure are just loud. but being loud doesn’t mean majority. there are a lot of people who waited in silence until the bill was approved. if you really think that majority of the people disagrees with the bill and have REACTIONS LIKE A SWORD, where are they when the senate and congress are having their amendments and voting on the bill? And look who’s reacting badly after the ratifying, it’s the church. and where are the catholics, the majority of the people? remember, this bill is not for us who can even afford to connect to the internet. it’s for those who can’t even have spare money to buy a condom. so if you believe it’s not right for you, then don’t use any contraception. let others have their choice.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        Hello! I am a Pro-RH Bill person! And what i´m ONLY want to emphasize is to give “space and time” People might already at the end began suspecting and asking themselves like “What the hell does our government want us to happen?” And even you,yourself will ask WHY that fast? Tungkol doon sa REACTIONS LIKE A SWORD,well i´m referring NOT YOU but the reactions FROM THE START! Nabigla na nga ang tao sa RH Bill eh di lalo na kung DIVORCE?…First,study the strategy! Hindi yung pabigla-bigla!…Sa tutoo lang,kung ako ang tatanungin,my priority is to put back Death Penalty instead of Divorce!

    • UrHONOR

      HINDI sapilitan ang DIVORCE.  KUNG AYAW ng DIVORCE, e, di HUWAG MAG-DIVORCE.  Dahil gusto ni Pedro ang divrorce, hindi kinakailangan si Juan ay mag-divorce din. Kung ayaw ni Juan mag-divorce, e, huwag siyang mag-divorce.  At hindi naman dahil gusto ni Juan na magpakasal sa lahat ng simbahan, e, kinakailangan din si Pedro magpakasal sa lahat ng simbahan.  Get out from the BOX and the shadow of Damaso…use your bao and not the bao of Damaso.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        “HINDI sapilitan ang DIVORCE.  KUNG AYAW ng DIVORCE, e, di HUWAG MAG-DIVORCE”…Correct!…”Get out from the BOX and the shadow of Damaso.”…Wrong! You are only THINKING of Catholic Church! Nabasa mo ba yung sinulat ko sa no#1?Marriage must be acquire for both Church and Civil as recognize as Legal Status.That means,applicable sa LAHAT ng Church(Protestant,INK,Muslim etc)…di pwede ang walang kasal sa CIVIL!

      • demonYOU

         gusto mo ng divorce dahil gusto mo magpalit palit ng mga barako pero hindi ka naman puwede magpakasal dahil hindi pa puwede ang same sex marriage…yan muna ang isulong mo para makinabang ka at ng tuluyan ka ng lumadlad dahil late ka ng lumadlad kung kailan ka pa tumanda!

    • brunogiordano

      Sangayon ako sa lahat ng inilahad mo.

      Subalit kailangan magkaroon ng DIVORCE law as a last resort sa mga mag asawa na hindi na magkasundo.

      Ayaw ng CBCP ang DIVORCE dahil ito ang DIKTA ng VATICAN sa KANILA.

      Walang pakiaalam ang CBCP sa kapakanan ng mga PILIPINO.

      Kaya ang away ngayon ay

      People of the PHILIPPINES vs CBCP at kanilang mga alipin.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        My only point lang talaga eh huwag magmadali sa desisyon! I am also a Pro-Divorce Law but this is NOT YET a proper time to announce or having a rumor such like this!….Isipin mo dre,we are 95 or even 97% Catholic Christian sa Pinas at kaya dapat pinag-iisipan muna ng maayos! Tulad ng isang halimbawa na ikaw ay isang commentator sa loob ng simbahan at sasabihin mo sa madlang people,in front of them na “Tomorrow we will have Divorce Law”…ewan ko lang kung hindi ka puputaktihin ng taong bayan!

    • tamumd

      I vehemently disagree on number 1. What about those people without religion and those who don’t believe in a god? You mean to say that those people cannot get married or their marriages would always be invalid since they could only do civil weddings? Are you out of your mind? NO way. In fact when you go abroad…church wedding papers are useless as they not even considered legal. They always require civil wedding papers.

      I say…let religion be out of this issue..as there’s no single religion in this country. Again this is a state affair. If the catholic church protest again. Well..we’ll ignore them again just like what we did with RH.

  • turbogirl9

    COLONIAL MENTALITY NOT GOOD TO EVERYONE

    • IsipPinoy

       Catholic religion is foreign.

    • UrHONOR

      WORSE is MENTAL COLONY.

      • demonYOU

         Duon kita huling nakita parang kailan lang at sa ward ka ng mga bading na kulay putik!

  • bgcorg

    The people should know the people they vote for during the elections: their views on religion, whether they are pro-life, pro-family, and pro-God in the world today.  The dangerous currents many legislators espouse would certainly draw away this nation from morality, spiritual, and human values.  The argument this group would always use is that we are the only country that does not have this, this is good for the poor, this is what this country needs. Voters should now be more discerning about who they put in government, their convictions, their loyalties.  Legislators who live their Christian principles and who are willing to stand up for them in the example of St. Thomas More, giving up even life rather than turn away from his first duty as God’s faithful servant.

    The current legislature is beholden to Pnoy, though not all its members.  It does not look good for our Constitution: it seems that barrelling through its provisions, even changing it, is the rule under Pnoy.  There is nothing wrong with the union of one man and one woman who each promised fidelity to each other “in sickness and in pain… till death do us part.” It is not a mere ceremony in which the husband and wife can just withdraw; it is a union more than just a human contract.  It is also a divinely inspired institution, as our Lord said:”what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”

    If there should be laws at all, it should not be on the very essence or the indissolubility of marriage but maybe on legal separation or marital abuse and how to make such easier or more severely punished/imposed.  There is also the question of preparation for marital commitment to avoid marital problems later, but not on the very institution that saves this country from many social ills.  We should not again ape those countries with divorce laws; the country is different and would make us incompetent to handle what will follow, socially, economically, educationally, etc. sure to affect the quality of the growth of children.

    The bishops were after all correct.  All this group needs is a “crack” to break through and sadly and unfortunately, this government, to cover its inability to directly grapple with poverty and corruption, has provided them with a wide openning, using the “poor” as a human shield.

    • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

       Talk about mired in the dark ages.

    • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

      Pfft.

    • tamumd

      Those are exactly the kind of politicians that we WON’T be voting for. We don’t want the Ayatollah kinds and those with Taliban mentalities. Those people are not really concern of what their constitutients want. They are there to cater to the whims of only one church – the catholic church. I wish we would implement “laicite” just like what France and Turkey had done.

  • turbogirl9

    DESIRE

  • jr_06498

    Ano ang pinag sasabi ni Bacani divorce debate would further divide the country?

    Luma na ang mga patutsada mo, hindi na kailangang mag sipagdusa ang mga Pilipino dahil sa kawalan ng divorce dito sa Pilipinas. Ang mga turo noong unang panahon na kailangang magsipagtiis sa hirap man o ginhawa, hindi na puwede iyan, kailangang maging matalino sa pag aasawa lalo na ang mga kababaihan huwag na huwag kayong papayag sa lahat ng mga pang-aabuso ng mga kalalakihan. Hindi kayo kailangang maging martyr.

    • batangsulpok

      Lalake ako pero agree sa mga sinabi mo lalo na ang pagiging martir kaya maraming pamilya ang nasisira sa Pilipinas dahil kahit may kabit ang lalake o naglalasing tapos binubugbog pa o di kaya di sinusustentuhan, ok pa rin dahil ang katwiran ay nakakahiya na malaman ng mga kamag-anak o kaibigan na hiwalay o kawawa ang mga bata o magsama kahit anong problema para ang kabuhayan ay hindi mawala.  Isa pa, bakit ka magtitiis sa asawa kung puro kalbaryo, wala ka na bang karapatang lumigaya?

  • IsipPinoy

    “Dr.  Ricardo Boncan, spokesperson of Catholic Vote Philippines, said the
    group was ready to “educate” lay Catholics so that they would know who
    they would vote for in 2013.”

    Dr. Boncan may have misspoke to mean “brainwash” not educate.

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    Further proof for the reason of separation of church and State.  With the Philippines the only place left on earth that doesn’t allow divorce, these DA’s must surely know what is right.  Down with catholicism – up with spiritualism.  These priest are no longer able to put you on the racks so they want to scare you into believing their paganistic words.  Down with religion – think for yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/julian.lennon.31 Julian Lennon

    Divorce or no divorce, broken families and failed marriages are rampant. Statistics dont lie. Lets not be hypocrites.. just because we are trying to enact a divorce bill, it doesn’t mean we are promoting it. Its quite obvious that even without divorce, many filipinos are either legally separated, annulled, or living with another man’s woman or vice versa. I have yet to scrutinize the contents of the bill but in countries where divorce is allowed, it has become a deterrent (although not absolute) to men and women alike to run around and cheat on their partners. Once its proven that one has cheated and a divorce is warranted, most of the couples assets will be awarded to the aggrieved. Im quite sure too that before a divorce is ever awarded, marriage counseling and reinforcements will be provisionary to the said bill. Divorce is a moral act, it helps one from abusive husbands and nagging wives and although the children are usually the victims, not having divorce doesnt protect them as well.

  • simondj

    Do you know why satan is forcing this sin so hard worldwide? Because satan knows this is the weakest point of a man, that all is vulnerable for this kind of sin regardless whether he is a king, a general, a wise man, a prophet or ordinary man. Look at Samson.

    • brunogiordano

      “Do you know why satan is forcing this sin so hard worldwide? ”

      WOW!!!!!

      Nakaka-ingit ka.

      Tila nangaling ka sa IMPIERNO at nakuha mo ‘yan inside info tungkol kay SATAN.

      O nag papangap kang reporter ng ONION NEWS?????

      • simondj

        what is your point?

  • Mattino2011

    Kung sa Italy msmo di napigil ng Vatican ang divorce….bakit d2 nakikialam sila

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    again, I am not a saint, but I can predict the marriage will suffer because we are openly allowed to divorce.
     

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    polygamy may be the solution.

  • cry_freedom

    That was very insensitive of House Speaker Belmonte to even entertain and answer that question about divorce. I always admire him, but in this case, he became tactless and very insensitive to the feelings of Catholics like me. Calling all Catholics with the same feelings – let’s bombard Heaven with our prayers!

  • simondj

    Matthew 19 – 3 to 9,  And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?”  He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female?” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “For the hardness of your heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.  And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another, commits adultery.” 

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       You still can follow Christ commandments even there is a divorce law.  The law is only an option for people.  The law does not force people to divorce.  Unfair iyan for those who are not Christians who do not believe in the bible.  Hindi lahat ng Pinoy naniniwala kay Cristo. May Muslims buddhists etc., our constitution guarantees recognition of rights regardless of religion.  If you think forbidden ang Divorce dahil Cristiano ka well follow Christ, but do not force others who are not Christians.

      • simondj

        i am not forcing anybody, i just want everybody will be informed, that there is such a writing.

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        precisely thats the essence of A DIVORCE LAW, it is only telling people that they have an option not forcing them to DIVORCE.  The LAW in itself is an INFORMATION for the people that they have an option.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PNTIGXL3JZVKOJDRXXDYGGBUUY Jerry

       Not for any cause except marital unfaithfulness. And if i may add abandonment and abuse. It was not so in the beginning but because of the hardness of your heart, divorce is allowed.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      The rich elite will always come to an arangement with the religious leaders to bypass laws that they don’t like, oiled by a few favors, cars, cash donations to the religion.

  • Don Dee

    Bago ako maniwala sa morality standards nyo mga obispo, parusahan nyo muna lahat ng mga paring tsumutsupa sa kanilang mga sakristan.

  • pabulaka

    There was no division of the country in the RH bill. The percentage who wanted it is 80%, Catholics and non-Catholics. I wonder what is the difference between allowed annulment and disallowed divorce by the bishops or some “godly” people. Both situations dissolve the marriage and undone by men. Is it because the former goes to the church people while the latter goes to the States, just a thought.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4G6HCUTKODSQ3Q2GTIATXCU6E Mikaela Roberts

    Filipinos were brainwashed by the Damasos for centuries and no wonder
    Jose Rizal wants to enlighten every Juan. Maybe it is high time for govt
    to collect taxes from them as what Italy did to Vatican.

    bitchspot(dot)jadedragononline(dot)com/2012/10/20/italy-ends-tax-exemption-for-churches/

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H47CPJUE4QYKFUCKSUXK3LNBGI Allan

    ang hindi ko maintindihan, itong mga taong (pari) hindi naman kasal ang ayaw sa divorce. you have to experience it before you say your piece. has anybody from the church suffered separation from his spouse? NO, because wala naman silang asawa! parang RH bill yan, dada kayo nang dada kahit wala kayong K. may anak ba kayo? alam nyo ba kung gano kahirap magpalaki ng bata? no wonder a lot of catholics are moving away from their faith because of these hypocrites. continue doing this and you will find yourselves belonging to the minority religion.

  • Mattino2011

    The famlies are broken because there is no divorce, The couples are forced to live and stayed married ..So infidelity is more rampant

  • speaksoftlylove

    I hope and pray that in the coming gloom and doom, the anti RH and Divorce bill filipinos will be “Ruptured” by Heaven leaving PNoy and his horde to implement their laws to their full satisfaction. If the pro RH and Divorce advocates feel slighted by this post then I also hope and pray that Heaven will do it conversely. The most important thing is that only one group survives, amen. 

    • Don Dee

      No not at all, we pro RH and divorce people are not at all afraid of mumus. Yan na lang talaga panakot ng simbahan. Kakainin kayo ng mumu pag di kayo behave. Haynaku, sinong niloko nila …. ooops sorry, marami parin pala… :D

    • Paolo Supena

      Rapture… hindi Ruptured.

      • speaksoftlylove

         Take note of the preceding words “will be” Einstein or go back to English 101.

  • brunogiordano

    “It will further divide the country.”

    No way.

    DIVORCE will further divide the CATHOLICS in this COUNTRY.

    Progressive/Liberal Catholics vs Conservative/Fundamentalist Catholics

    Bad news para sa CBCP, majority na ngayon ang mga Progressive/Liberal Catholics.

  • tra6Gpeche

    When did Filipinos become united? If Filipinos were united, Philippines would be a great country already. I believe that once the RH bill becomes a law, Filipinos will start to unite. Having a legal divorce, instead of annulment, will be a plus for the country, especially the Filipino women. Another thing to tackle is the underground abortions. Filipinos will have to be educated and informed why this underground abortion is happening in the country. By talking and discussing this in the open, a solution might be found.  Avoiding it will not solve this very serious but hidden problem.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      Why only filipin women? Females, as usual are self obsessed. You say filipinos united and the next sentence you minimise HALF the population. If there is a divorce bill enacted in the future, Filipinas must NOT be able to live off the government paid for by MAINLY MALE TAXES . They must NOT be allowed to stop fathers from seeing their OWN children like in the west. Women’s hate of their ex husband is more than the love for their children due to spitefulness.
      Women must learn personal accountability and that there are consequences to their own actions. In the west, nearly all divorces are initiated by FEMALES, her husband has probably worked hard in a difficult job with long hours while she sits at home chatting and watching TV, but suddenly decides to divorce, In the west women divorce usually for trivia reasons, “the love has gone” etc.
      Divorce laws in the west have resulted in terrible things for men and a great toll on kids in the great pandering to feminists and their sillness.Those are the consequences.But i support the freedom to divorce, as long as the whole family is considered, not just the usual FEMALE PRIVILEGE while punishing the disposable males, as usual.

      • tra6Gpeche

        Kabayan, I think you are thinking of
        divorce somewhere else especially in the west (America?). The
        Philippines, if they will have divorce, will have their own rules and
        definition. It will have to be related to the culture of Filipinos
        and should not be based on some western culture and way of life. If
        they copy the western style, then it won’t be good for them. They
        must have their very own guidelines. Actually, in my thinking,
        divorce will be more beneficial to Filipino women than Filipino men.
        Many Filipino husbands in the Philippines are womanizers. In a
        troubled family in the Philippines, wives are treated more unfairly
        than men by the Philippine society. The Filipino husband tends to
        abuse his wife than the other way around. I am more on the side of
        the Filipino wives than the Filipino husbands! Yes , you can say I am
        biased!

  • lennonpaul

    divorce or no divorce we have marital problems and seprations..we might as well have a divorce.

  • joshmale2004

    Is it not premature to even discuss this subject?

  • trojanhorsie

    Retired Novaliches Bishop Teodoro Bacani said Speaker Feliciano Belmonte’s plan to enact a divorce bill in the next Congress was “not a good development” for the country. – SAYS THE BISHOP WITH A MISTRESS

    • sanjuan683

      Karamihan naman diyan sa mga bishops na iyan mga SINUNGALING at bolero pa magsalita akala mo napakabanal.

  • brunogiordano

    “Tomorrow we will have Divorce Law”…ewan ko lang kung hindi ka puputaktihin ng taong bayan!
    @dennis

    Hindi mangyayari iyan.

    Majority na ng mga katoliko ngayon ay mga Progressive/Liberal thinking na.

    Kaya sa nakakaraming katoliko, WELCOME NEWS pag nagkaroon ng DIVORCE LAW bukas.

    • sanjuan683

      Katoliko lang kayo sa pangalan pero wala yun faith ninyo kulang. hehehehehe isang kumpisal lang tanggal na daw ang kasalanan. hehehehehe minsan nabibili pa nga daw

  • Meetong

    Ok mag sipag divorse na kayo! Pwede na kayong magtaksil sa asawa nyo at i divorse dahil sawa na kayo sa hitsura ng asawa nyo! Malaya na kayo ! Yahoo! Pwede na kayong mang ligaw ng iba. At pag na bwisit na naman kayo sa sitwasyon nyo….divorse ulit! ganun lang ang buhay.

    • sanjuan683

      hehehehehe hindi ganun yun kapag nagdivorce magbibigay ka ng lifetime support sa mga anak mo ano libre hindi puede yun bayad ka ano libre.

  • Bayawak

    After divorce,whats next…same sex marriage.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      pabor yan sa presidente natin hahaha

    • bilango71

       let’s go for it!

  • discerningmind

    Mr. Bacani, the Filipinos should decide whether divorce, abortion, euthanasia, same sex marriage  should be legalized or not.

  • barry p

    No Father…let us stop at RH Bill and Divorce.  
    The Philippines is the ONLY country in the world without divorce (The Vatican is essentially not a country).
    And let us not bring out the self-serving hypocritical non-sense about Filipinos being special people, chosen people and that divination crap.  Please, let us not go there.  
    Proclaiming ourselves more righteous than the other 6 billion people on the planet is plain lunacy.
    IF POSSIBLE, if you wish maybe you can push for provisions like making the divorce law inapplicable to Roman Catholic marriages….and leave, respect other Filipinos who are not in your flock or whose marriage was not solemnized by your clergy.
    If any Roman Catholic couple would then want to get married in civil rites and therefore eligible for divorce THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN….BY SHEPHERDING YOUR FLOCK  AND HELPING THEM MAKE DECISIONS APPROPRIATE TO YOUR FAITH.
    BUT ABSOLUTELY no to abortion….no to same sex marriage.I cannot even imagine this ever happening as I’m pretty sure all religious groups from A to Z will be unanimous on this.

    • barry p

      Father Bacani said the RH bill divided the nation…

      Yeah, in like 80 – 20 line….80% were in favor, 20% were against.

      .

      • sanjuan683

        Si Bacani at mga obispo lang ang nakadivide. Talo sila tanggapin sa puso nila na demokrasia ang pinairal natalo sila botohan. Masyado sila pakialamero sa gobierno ng Pinas. Duon sila nababagay sa Rome na territory nila. Alis kayo diyan

    • sanjuan683

      hehehehehe In Rome there’s a divorce which pure Roman Catholic. Ano magpapabugbog na lang ako sa asawa ko. Ikaw na lang sanay ka yata sa bugbog makapal yata mukha mo kaya tanggapin ang mga suntok na sinlakas ni Donaire.

  • $31701260

    I support you Catholic Vote Philippines … keep up the good work.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    My Advise: “Think first before you move!”….Philippines is not United States where Divorce has a different views in compare to us Pinoys! United States are the only country with the most number of different ethnic groups (Europeans…Pinoys…Afro-American..Chinese..Indian etc) Whereas Philippines has ONLY filipinos “By heart and mind” kahit galing tayo sa anumang sulok ng Pilipinas,Pinoy pa din tayo! So,that is one of the main factor to deal with! Not like in US,may mga county or state na mas dominated ang Blacks….Sa Hawaii eh iba naman! BUKOD PA ANG SEGREGATION OF RELIGION!…..In US,they have a higher percentage of Protestant in compare sa Pinas na dominated ng Roman Catholic! Kaya sa US,medyo kakaiba at less ang impact ng Divorce doon!

    • sanjuan683

      Papaano naman yun mga babae ginugulpi lagi at tapos wala naman binibigay ng panggastos sa pamilya. Kay dali sabihin ayaw mo ng divorce. Eh kung walang naman respeto sa babae ano martir na lang habang buhay. Kung wala na paraan magkasundo at ginamit lahat ng pamamaraan at hindi umubra dapat na payagan mag divorce. Dito lang sa Pinas mga babae martir kahit binababoy na ng asawang lalaki sige pa rin magkasama. Kaululan na yan alam ko apektado ang mga anak. Pero masisiyahan ba ang kanila mga anak na makita nila ang nanay nila ginugulpi at binababoy ng kanila ama. Matatanim lang sa isip ng mga anak ang sama ng loob sa ama.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

        Teka,medyo lumalayo ka,sa nasabi ko na “Think first before you move”hindi ko ibig sabihin na pag-isipan muna? I´m not referring to situational case of any individual but i´m referring to our politicians in general na magbigay muna ng konting puwang at pag-aralan ng mabuti!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/V6PVNYINOXRDLHESBN37XGQBGQ ROMEO

        dennis d lng US ang may divorce kaya wag mong ikumpara ang pinas sa US

  • Don Dee

    If your marriage is threatened by the mere availability of an opt-out clause, I’d surely re-examine that marriage at the very least. Ano ba ang kinakatakot nyo? Having a divorce law does not mean you have to avail of that legal option. Kung ayaw nyo ng divorce, wag kayong mag-divorce. But please let the option be available for those people who are desperate for it. For example, mga babaeng inabandona ng asawa at walang “cheap” legal remedy para mapilit ang asawa na bigyan ng financial support ang kanilang anak.

    ————

    As for the Catholic church, kung ayaw nyo ng divorce, wag nyong i-divorce ang mga kasal sa simbahan NYO! Bakit kayo mangenge-alam sa mga taong hindi naman kinasal sa simbahan nyo? Dahil nga ayaw sa mga patakaran nyo?

    • sanjuan683

      Oo nga kung kasal sa Iglesia, protestante, muslim, jehova, huwes o iba religion group. Ano ba pakialam nila. Pakialaman nila yun kasal sa kanila siyempre apektado sila dahil wala magpapakasal sa kanila sa iba na lang magpapakasal duon sa puede magdivorce. Kawawa naman yun mga babae binubugbog ng lalaki.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PNTIGXL3JZVKOJDRXXDYGGBUUY Jerry

    A true story. This couple were married in the Philippines. The wife who is a registered nurse left for the US while the husband stayed for a while in the Philippines with their two children hoping that one day they can follow her. While in the States, the wife committed adultery ( a very ground for divorce.) Since then she abandoned her family and do not support even the children financially. If there’s a divorce law in the Philippines, imagine the relief the husband can get as far as alimony and quick dissolution of marriage are concerned. The wife is still subject to Philippine laws and can be arrested right there in the immigration counter the moment she returns, if there is a divorce law. My story is only one of the so many. Divorce is not good but the problem is already there. We should do something to mitigate it.

    • tanga_hanga_ni_abnoy

       si ezra ba yan?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

      “Divorce is not good but the problem is already there. We should do something to mitigate it.”…That´s my point why i said before na Marriage can only claim LEGAL kung ikinasal ka sa BOTH Church and Civil! At least,matibay! Philippine Government can fight for everything! Kasi,kadalasan sa atin,kontento na sa Church wedding lang! Kaya nagiging weak ang pakikipaglaban sa korte.Lalong mahihirapan kapag nagpalit ng citizenship at family name!

  • droccu

    The Church should NOT just be irked. They should face the divorce issue squarely and prepare for it- better than what they did with the RH fight which they lost badly. The Church should realize by now that their beliefs teachings will be directly challenged more than ever so the Church should be more dynamic in handling these challenges. I believe the Church would have a better chance of winning the divorce fight if handled properly…I for one am pro RH but anti divorce.

    • sanjuan683

      hehehehe I believe its another defeat for them.

  • Garo Ungaro

    The time are changing…remember there’s nothing new except CHANGE…it about time? The good times are gone…with the church…blamed it on cyber net…many are enlighten by this net the real truth hurts…but its the only way…?

  • Billy Reyes

    Philippines the only country in the world with no Divorce Law is like 200 years ago when black people in America were not allowed to vote.

    • brunogiordano

      “Philippines the only country in the world with no Divorce Law is like 200 years ..”

      Huwag kang maingit.

      Tulad lang tayo ng VATICAN 200 years behind.

      Sangayon kay CARDINAL MARTINI.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      200? Even 100 years ago nearly all men in western countries did not even have the vote.

  • tanga_hanga_ni_abnoy

    after daw ng dovorce, pwede n mag-asawa ng gang 4

  • Karabkatab

    If they want divorce let them have it. Anyway, yung mga may pera lang naman ang particular sa law na ito.  Yung mga cant afford, at wala namang pag hahatian, lalo hindi naman legal ang pag sasama, they can change partner anytime.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7PILUDK6IPFGJLJNCM2IROCRY Albin

    Sa panahon lang ni penoy: RH bill, divorce bill, same sex marriage, legalized marijuana, isusnod na din ang abortion bill, man-animal marriage, no underwear bill, etc.

  • muddygoose

    If it’s such an important thing for people to get married, procreate, and stay married, then why are priests not married? There is nothing in the bible stopping them from getting married.

    And why are they so afraid of homosexuality when a sizable portion of them are homosexuals?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Bacani was accused of molesting a woman which he admitted.  What moral authority does he have?

    • Don Dee

      Ang tanong e, gumamit ba sya ng condom ng minolestya niya yung babae? Alam mo naman ang masama sa simbahan ay condom. Kung pari nang molestya, lipat lang ng parish ang parusa dyan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XJLTJQBSNUX42Y7TAJE2ESGTAE emilio

    When the church annuals marriages, it is moral. But when the state allows divorce, it is immoral.
    When politicians accept bribes, it is immoral, but when the bishops accept pajero
    bribes, it is moral.
    The bishops are charlatans, they profess that they follow the teachings of Christ, yet they live in splendor when Christ gave up material wealth .
    That’s why in industrialized countries only old people go to church, because most old people are either blind or deaf to realize the clergy is fooling them.
    You can also see children tagging along these old people, although they go there not on their own free will, but tasked by their parents(who don’t go to church),to go with their grandparent so the elderly will not get lost.

  • Bayawak

    If the politician want divorce then let the Filipino decides…isalang iyan sa referendum.

  • brunogiordano

    If they want divorce let them have it.
    @ karabkatab

    GREAT!!!!

    Mabuti naman favor ka sa DIVORCE.

  • Billy Reyes

    The Americans were already landed on the moon, now they are trying to find out if there is life in Mars. In the Philippines were fighting over if divorce will be lagalized or not.

  • repapips

    hindi naman na divide ang nation sa RH Bill. Mga politiko lang nag kagulo at mga konting mga taong nag rally sa batasan. kung natatakot ang simbahan sa pdeng mangyari kapag nagkaroon ng divorce sa pilipinas, ibig sabihin hindi sila epektibo. ISARA NA LANG ANG MGA SIMBAHAN NA HINDI EPEKTIBO! hehehe

  • disqus_ZrxaGjUzMQ

     Crush this  PHilippine Catholic Beast – Philippine will not be divided only the Catholic F O O LS  will be divided – and we will rub all the salt in CATHOLIC FACE in whatever way we want  —

    SHOVE the Divorce bill into Philippine  Catholic Bishop  throats

  • Albert Einstien

    RH bll …ANTI-PEOPLE , ANTI-FILIPINO & ANTI-COUNTRY!

    DIVORCE…PRO-PEOPLE, PRO-JUSTICE & PRO-COUNTRY!

    • Magsasaka

       aba pabor ka naman sa divorce, ako naman ayaw ko hehehe

      • Albert Einstien

        ganon…that’s democracy my friend…. : > )

    • Jane Tan

      How can you be “pro-people” when you’re contradicting like 70-85% of the people here?

      • Albert Einstien

        bec. i dont seek popularity & that is why I’m pro people sir….i want them to KNOW & be ILLUMINATED….lol

      • Jane Tan

        few people going against the majority… sounds like an anarchist…

        and… Illuminati? isn’t that kind of against the side you’re pushing for? :l

  • Julio7

    The problem of Christianity faith is that it tries to influence the State affair but accept the concept of separation of State and Church. Compare to Islam, which has a complete code of laws and jurisprudence, Christianity in general are not consistent with its teaching and the practice of its flock. For instance, circumcision is practice by some but most Christian in the west doesn’t. Divorce and family planning including RH is acceptable by some but not acceptable for others.
     
    While I was pondering with Islam which has strict with their rules such as no Muslim male cannot be called Muslim without circumcision. Christianity and Islam considered marriage and family as a sacred one, however Christianity had no answer to the existing social problem brought by these and its stance are away from the present technological advances, yet most Christians believers are the forefront of human advancement in the 21st century.
     
    Islam favor family planning that helps families achieves tranquillity by having children when they want them and when they are prepared to have them. Because of the importance of family in Muslim societies, Islam is sympathetic to family planning for spacing pregnancies and made mother more physically fit and the father more financially at ease.
     
    In Islam, family planning is an important health and development issue as well as a human rights issue. Muslim aspires to reach their development goals by improving the health of their women and children.
     
    Divorce is permitted in Islam as a last resort if it is not possible to continue a marriage. Certain steps need to be taken to ensure that all options have been exhausted and both parties are treated with respect and justice.
     
    In Islam, married life is described as one filled with mercy, compassion, and tranquillity. Marriage is a great blessing. Each partner in the marriage has certain rights and responsibilities, which are to be fulfilled in a loving way in the best interests of the family.
     
    Unfortunately, this is not always the case. When a marriage is in danger, couples are advised to pursue all possible remedies to rebuild the relationship. Divorce is allowed as a last option, but it is discouraged.
     
    Islam strictly forbids abortion but allow it when it is necessary in the case when the woman conceives after being raped, the mother’s life or health is in danger, or repeated pregnancies severely damages her health, etc…
     
    The Shariah allows abortion only when doctors declare with reasonable certainty that the continuation of pregnancy will endanger the woman’s life. This permission is based on the principle of the lesser of the two evils known in Islamic legal terminology as the principle of “the more important and the less important”. In the present case, one is faced with two forbidden things: either abort the unborn child or let a living woman die. Obviously, the latter is greater than the former; therefore, abortion is allowed to save the live person. ”
     
    However, It should be remarked here that pregnancy due to unlawful and illegal sex is no reason and excuse for abortion. The embryonic life farm in the mother’s womb is honoured and sacred even though it is a result of adultery.
     
    I still wonder why Christianity cannot move toward the rationale of contraception, divorce and abortion while Islam considered by some as primitive is in the forefront of moral and social development.

    • Pogi=”No To Political Dynasty”

       Yah! Some like Islam because you marry a lot of women and have a lot of children. No need to divorce just add if you don`t like your 1st,2nd,3rd etc.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ME73SJ2KNVTMNU4JMRMRLRYPVQ zom

      As I have always said, it will be more applicable to countries wherein the laws are strictly enforced! Comparing to our great nation, the Philippines, our laws here are all just for references! Poor to no law enforcement at all! I know that these laws can benefit everyone, but knowing our history, our best politicians, who govern our great country, were all just hungry for power to steal the taxpayers’ money. For me, they should concentrate first on how to solve the existing problems rather to make another laws, which can only benefit the powerful thieves the most!

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      Christians especially protestants are socially progressive, all progress has started in protestant countries, others have followed. we set the agenda for other religions because we fought against the corruption and hypocrisy of the REALITIES of religion. Other nations and religions will ALL follow, freedom and progress are unstoppable. Islamic countries essentially still live according to medieval times, without any progress in 600 years, but things are changing, the Arab spring is just the start. The Iranian people are amongst the most pro american in the world. The revolutionaries in Tunisia and Egypt are beginning to realise now they have a small amount of freedom, that it is the conservative religion that is the stifling force against economic and social progress.
      The realities of religious states are hypocrisy, corruption, opression, lack of any freedom,but progress will ALWAYS WIN in the end, divorce laws and RH bils are a step to this progress.

  • Pogi=”No To Political Dynasty”

    Para sa mga desperate husband and wife lang to. Tungkol sa ari arian, mga pera, mag kulasisi, at hende nak eesep nong pakasalan niya dahil hindi niya nakita na maliit pala.

    Pag tuunan na lang ang Political Dynasty pwede ba para sa kinabukasan ng kabataan hindi para sa kinabukasan ng mga makasarili.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CBCR5LTZE3EUBE7BIP53DN3Z5Y Ricardo

    CBCP should register as a foreign agent of the Vatican. All they do is espouse the Vatican way of thinking. How can they even assert that divorce is a death bill when nearly the rest of the world has it and many of these places are the same places Pilipinos love to live in. All Muslim brothers in the South already enjoy it. Does it mean  they are less morally discerning than the Bishops of CBCP? Bishops, look at yourselves in the mirror first before you try educating the rest of us on what is proper. Your practice of Celibacy is probably as big a perversion of human physiology as castration.

  • GaryFil

     I have many relatives who are divorced, the only winner in this activity of “Civilized Society,”  the lawyers.  Not the wife or husband and/or kids or family (which these laws are trying to ruin), but lawyers, and judges who gets paid whenever some couple call it quits because they rushed into things, or have not deeply known who they are marrying or anything out in the blue they can find reason to separate ways, including snoring.

    Maybe you are all lawyers, who will benefit from this.

    • picker_blend

      so you mean, they should have gone on and pretended that there was nothing wrong?

      • Vin

        I don’t think it means to pretend that there is something wrong. Every relationship will have their rough patches since both the man and the woman are human thus imperfect. You work on a marriage, both spouses needs to. 

        As I have said I am ok with divorce only if there is a very extreme circumstance like domestic violence for example. But divorcing just because you just don’t feel like it and to find a new flame is just wrong…

    • Rigoberto_Tigdas

      If you have many relatives who are divorced, then you should be the fist one to understand the reasons why we need this law in our country. Whether we have divorce or none, couples with issues will always find thier ways into seperation. What this law will do is to give everyone the luxury of not having to go thru a very looonnnggg and costly process of annulment. More often, most of them simply give up, making them unlawfully seperated.

      The only winner in divorce are the Lawyeys? On the contrary, they sure will be the losers. Annulment in the Philippines is a very painstaking process You will be needing all the proof in the world just to prove the grounds, medical certificates, expert opinions, etc. etc.. and a number of court appearances. All these, with no assurance, and in the end, will still depends to the judge’s point of view. Anyone who has been into annulment knows what I’m talking about. It will take, well, if you are lucky, one and a half years to complete at the very least. Some takes 2, 3, 10 years. Some takes forever. All these, even with both parties are willing. Now, that’s an assured years and years of Lawyer’s salary!!!

      Only a handful of rich and influencial people can afford to go thru this process. All it takes is one call to the Judge. But the ordinary masa? Who can they turn to?

      Divorce law will cut all the nonsense and go straight to the point. Simple as that.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      nearly all divorces are initiated by females, WOMEN and the lawyers are the winners, men are raped financially in the west. In some countries, Australia and NZ, even if you live together for 3 years it is considered a de facto marriage. If a father iniiates a divorce he will almost certainly lose his children, many forever.
      For a man he has everything to lose by marrying, but for a woman, she has everything to gain. Women look for for a man to sacrifice himself for her, so she can have an easy life, while he works in a Dirty, Dangerous, Difficult job.
      Those are the future consequences for Filipino menm

      • Jane Tan

        That’s what divorce settlements and prenuptial agreements are for. If you, as a male, fail to undergo such “safety measures” knowing the mental state of the person you vow to spend the rest of your life with, then you deserve to get “raped”.

  • Magsasaka

    pahimakas lang iyan na hindi na pinakikingan ngayon ang RCC, eh bakit ka naman kasi makikinig sa isang institusyon na pinamumunuan ng mga damaso pajero obispo, baklang pari, paring malilibog na gumagahasa sa mga minor de edad na babae, paring mga nagtatangkang magnakaw sa pondo na para sa mga biktima ng kalamidad at higit sa lahat ang mga namumuno ay buhay hari samantalang mga tagasunod ay mga lubos na naghihirap.
    mulat na ang tao sa aral nilang “pinagpapala ang mga naghihirap” dahil kung totoo ang aral nilang iyan bakit sila nabubuhay sa karangyaan?

    pero hindi ako pabor sa divorce dahil may sariling isip ako, dahil mga pulitiko at mayayaman lang ang makikinabang sa batas na iyan, hindi papabor ang divorce sa mga mahihirap dahil siguradong mahal ang bayad sa prosesong iyan.

    • Albert Einstien

      my friend….SAGAD sa buto ang galit mo sa  mga padre damaso a TALO pa nila inihaw sa IMPYERNO kung laitin mo a……..lol

      yun DIVORCE..nasa constitution din yan…NO PERSON shall be deprived of life & liberty, .kasama yan sa freedom of choice,  freedom from bondage &   No involuntary servitude in any form shall exist .

      xempre me budget jan govt pag inimplement yan ..at meron din tayong tinatawag na PAUPER LITIGATION……pag wala pera sagot na ng korte at gobyerno dapat……..

      pero wag ka mag-alala..HINDI yan ang PRIORITY ng FOREIGN INTEREST at si pnoy sunod sunuran yan sa FOREIGN DICTATES…….ang interest nila PAHINAIN ang pilipinas at pakuntiin ang pilipino para MADALING PASUNORIN sa kagustuhan nila…FOREVER SLAVEs.. yan ang INTENSYON….at ANYTIME pwede tayong SAKUPIN ng mga IMPERYALISTA china o US man……yan ang HINDI nakikita ng KARAMIHAN at mga POLITIKO…

      • Magsasaka

        igan magkaiba tayo ng pananaw dyan kasi ha tingnan mo kung sasakupin man tayo ng kung sino aba eh walang silang magiging problema dahil walang silbi ang sandatahang lakas natin at hindi na kailangan pang hintayin mabawasan ang bilang natin bago tayo sakupin.
        sa ngayon alipin na tayo ng mga corporation lalo na mga multinational, sa edsa lang may truck ban pero exempted ang mga sasakyan ng mga multinational.
        at kaya nga hindi umaasenso ang buhay ng pinoy at ang ating ekonomiya dahil ang mga batas dito ay hindi balanse at laging pabor sa negosyante lalo na sa negosyong dayuhan

      • Albert Einstien

        my friend sa ngayon tama ka pero me FUTURE pa ang filipinas at doon kelangan natin ang HUGE POPULATION at very strong ARMY…..i just hope youth of the future will carry my fight for FUTURE RP..as of now we are CONSUMED by local politicking..& political vendetta…..NOBODY is looking beyond this generation….ky nga ANTI-RH ako I’m fighting for FUTURE PHILIPPINES…yan ang GUSTONG patayin ng RH ang FUTURE natin…..read this….

        RISE my Philippines RISE

        EVERY Filipino Family will be MULTI-millionaires by 2050
        ( both muslim & christian brothers )

        your grandsons & granddaughters will be masters of the world

        NO Filipino will suffer SLAVERY in foreign land..

        PROTECT these resources with utmost PATRIOTISM…

        Why are we always in poverty & war?

        Why they dont want the archipelago to be UNITED?

        Why are we targeted for Population & de-population control ?

        Why is the Philippines targeted for brain-drain & intellectuals are pirated abroad?

        Why are we NOT allowed to have a POWERFUL ARMed FORCES ?

        Why are we having lunatic leaders & family of traitors as our champions & leaders?

        ANSWER : Foreign Interest/s manipulated us because PHILIPPINES is the RICHEST country in the WORLD”

        Literally philippines is a PARADISE in a land of GOLD blessed by GOD ( Gold,gas Oil & Deuterium )..

        “we the most evolved & intelligent human specie are walking literally in a land of gold”—–the real EL DORADO.!

        ISLAND PARADISE

        An archipelago comprising 7,107 islands, the Philippines is categorized broadly into three main geographical divisions: Luzon, Visayas, & Mindanao. In addition the BENHAM Rise.. 250 km wide new territory. The Philippines’ rainforests and its extensive coastlines make it home to a diverse range of birds, plants, animals, and sea creatures. It is one of the ten most biologically megadiverse countires and is at or near the top in terms of biodiversity per unit area. Our beautiful islands are the envy of the world we are surrounded by soft white & pearly black beaches. Most of the mountainous islands are covered in tropical rainforest and volcanic in origin. The Apo Reef is the country’s largest contiguous coral reef system and the second-largest in the world. The Philippines has a tropical maritime climate and is usually hot and humid. There are three seasons: the hot dry season or summer the rainy season ; and the cool dry season . The perfect climate system in the Philippines makes its air and atmosphere free from man made pollution after the system of storms cleansed the territory during rainy season & disinfecting the land by exposure to the sun’s ultra-violet rays in hot dry season. This is the best country in world to live in if the insurgency problem caused by poverty is solved by the tapping of the nation’s resource thereby freeing the people from poverty.. Located within the Pacific Rim of Fire, the Philippine archipelago is hypothesized as having been formed 43 million years ago. Its 7,109 islands rest on top of underwater mountains formed by the outpourings of molten rocks from the earth’s interior, thus creating an ideal setting for mineral deposition. (After Wolfe, J.A., “Origin of the Philippines by Accumulation of Allochthons” in The Philippine Geologist July- September 1983 Issue, p.17) In the archipelago, resurgent volcanoes particularly provided access for rising gold-bearing solutions which cool to the geotherm of 300 degrees Celsius at about 400 m depth. At this point, the gold began to precipitate and epithermal gold deposits were formed over geologic time of 1.5 million years from the present time. (After Wolfe, J. A., in International Mineral Development Sourcebook, 1993)

        HUMAN resource…

        HUGE POPULATION …our economic & political savior…!

        we are the ONLY Country in the world ..who speaks 175 languages & dialects with literacy rate of 93.4% . Most speak fluent & write foreign languge like english , spanish,nihongo,arabic, mandarin,hindi, & malay than country of origin..some elderly can still speak latin…Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2 dialects..while the rest of the world can speak only english & their native tounge…the people are educated, fun loving, resilient, hospitable & industrious… in fact , currently the economy is heavily reliant on remittances which surpass foreign direct investment as a source of foreign currency. Therefore the more population more benefit for the economy. The Philippines need a HUGE population & Army if it intends to tap the resources otherwise foreign invasion can easily land on its shores & control can be had without a sweat.…as of now we are ALREADY NO.1 as BPO in the world, & our OFWS are loved by their employers..BPo is contributing $12 billion & OFWs are contributing $21 billion a year..that is why we have a FC reserve of $82 billion ang its GROWING HANDSOMELY…without them (OFW & BPO)….our ECONOMY should have collapsed already..our .POPULATION is the BACKBONE of the economy NOT the NOYNOYING & CREDIT GRABBING govt…When we begin to tap our resources we will recall ALL our OFWs & those who migrated to HELP build the country as the wealthest & strongest nation on earth…we need huge population to attain this dream & endeavor.

        MINERAL resource…..

        Initial Lode and placer GOLD DEPOSITS occur in most of the 73 out of 83 provinces in the Philippines.The ten provinces were not properly tested yet due to internal conflicts & war. The 1996 $2.1TRILLION value resource ( govt ) estimate based on conservative 10% ( $21 trillion total estimate ) maybe deficient and could double to $42 trillion or more of the actual resource.. . … such amount could catapult this country to first world status .. we could even buy americas $16 Trillion debt..Also, we have .$26.3-Trillion Oil Reserves ..Country’s Untapped Deposits Mostly In Spratlys Philippines News Agency April 25, 2012, MANILA, Philippines- The Philippines is “sitting on a mountain of gold,” with untapped hydrocarbon deposits estimated at $26.3 trillion, mostly found in the disputed Spratly chain of islands, more than enough to free the country from the shackles of poverty.Also if we are able to claim SABAH… It has the potential to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day,” “The estimated reserves from the present Sabah oilfields is 1.4 billion barrels of oil and 7.7 trillion scf of gas.” …Malaysia govt does not even give our sabahan brothers share of their on wealth ONLY PETRONAS ( govt corp ) which give sabah a PITIFUL royalty of 5%…That amount is even without considering the UNQUANTIFIABLE value today (maybe thousands of $ trillion ) of the resources that can be found in our new territory called the BENHAM rise a 250km wide domain which is perceived to contain very huge oil & gas deposits & the envy of world for we are the proud owner of the vast DEUTERIUM deposits with a 868 mile long find in Philippine trench. With these resources properly tapped we are bigger than america & arabia combined.. : .yet many potential mineral & natural reserves are still HIDDEN n our archpelago…

        BENHAM RISE new Philippine territory 250 km wide –GMA LEGACY!

        Despite its proximity to the archipelago, the plateau was previously not included in the territory of the Philippine Islands. On 8 April 2009 ( GMA govt. filed the claim to UN now we owned it.. eventually our history & after the political vendettas ….legislature might rename the benham rise to GMA rise to give honor to its finder/claimant .. ), the Republic of the Philippines lodged a partial territorial waters claim with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in relation to the continental shelf in the region of Benham Rise. The UN has officially approved the claim in April 2012. The Philippines may soon be able to provide its own energy through Benham Rise, an underwater ridge to the east of Luzon which is believed to have mineral and gas deposits. The Philippines claim over Benham Rise is “very relevant” because scientific surveys indicate minerals and natural gas in the area. Solidified methane was found during mapping activities and the “probability is very high” there are oil deposits. There may be more natural gas than oil, and is considered better because it is cleaner. Benham Rise, which is bigger than Luzon, Samar, and Leyte combined, is being claimed solely by the Philippines..

        GREATEST of them ALL- “ DEUTERIUM the Gift of Nature “-MARCOS LEGACY…

        in ADDITION to the LEGACY of marcos like malampaya & other gas & oil fields…DEUTERIUM marcos legacy is the BEST …“ the Philippines trench has the LARGEST DEPOSIT of deuterium with 868 mile long 52 mile wide “If we allow production even for just a portion of this natural deposit… the Philippines will already become a first world country.. what more if we produce a quarter of it… Deuterium has several commercial and scientific uses today. It has become much more than the heavy water many countries sought after during World War II.Deuterium, a form of concentrated hydrogen, is used in the production of natural gas now utilized in Canada, America, Germany and Sweden, to provide fuel for cars, trucks , jet planes, & deuterium fuel for fusion reactors.”Deuterium can replace gasoline, (liquefied petroleum gas), (liquefied natural gas), Avgas, etc. in powering all types of internal combustion engines including maybe SPACE ships of the future & can be use in space explorations…. It does not emit pollutants or any harmful carbon monoxide and does not cause any environmental problems because it is in the water family. We can build electric nuclear plants in the middle of the URBAN cities of the world ! we will power & feed the world at the same time.Just imagine the philippines at the forefront of human evolution, science , technology & space exploration.The GOOD news is we have UNLIMITED deposit of it…it is self replenishing..!WE NEED HUGE POPULATION to DEFEND & PROTECT these resources..if the foreign imposed RH bill will murder our future generation…..our country & people will be SLAVES forever!!

        this is not a sotto or church argument…

        this is for LOVE of COUNTRY….NO to RH Bill..!!!

      • Albert Einstien

        i just HOPE young lawyers society & IBP  will QUESTION RH law  to the supreme court on GROUNDS of INTERGENERATIONAL INTEREST….not merely on religious grounds because their argument is weak…!

      • Jane Tan

        Lol wtf… this is coming from the stand that says condoms are bad because the Church says so… that’s a pretty weak argument if you ask anyone.

      • Magsasaka

        in the long run you have a point

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      meron kang sariling isip? …asan? 

      BORN AGAIN – a person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • Magsasaka

        ako brainwashed nyahahaha buti na lang mawash pa brain ko sa iyo hindi mangyayari yan kasi wala kang brain hehehe

  • Rigoberto_Tigdas

    When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.”

    Well actually, no one listens to you anymore…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      hahaha correct! is that why they’re soooo KSP?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

      Maybe to you too. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    surprise, surprise
    another bishop spending more time talking to the press instead of his own parishioners.

    it seems like everyday there is a bishop who wants his face in front of the cameras.

    parang showbiz lang

    this current flock of celibate old men are not true leaders. they’re more concerned with advancing their own selfish agendas.

    Maybe it’s time to petition the Vatican to appoint new leaders for Filipino Catholics.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      FOOL!!! Stupid comment. You re not even a Catholic!

      BORN AGAIN – a person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        copy-paste troll, walang nagawa yang kaka-spam mo, talo ka pa din.

    • speaksoftlylove

      Bishop Bacani resigned in 2003 due to sexual harassment case and Vatican accepted his resignation. The implication is that he remains a bishop with all the rights but he is prohibited to hold a diocese. So, what “talking to his own parishioners” are you talking about? Pope ka tapos di mo alam? Nagnoynoying ka rin. Pope?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        ayan, halatang hindi nagbabasa.

        bakit si bacani lang ba yung na-mention sa article.

        wala na bang ibang bishops na nag-comment sa media about this issue?

        hanggang tingin lang kasi sa picture, tapos comment kagad, mali naman.

        ay pahiya…

      • speaksoftlylove

         Palusot mo bulok, barok.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        wahahaha wala na i-comment. pahiya kasi. haaaay sarap ng tawa ko.

  • mannyvel

     Divorce should only be for the rich benefactors of the Church. Once the poor have divorce, how will the Church survive?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

      out of context my friend. The squatter housing will double if a poor man divorces his wife. The poor will just become poorer I guess and the rich can now have new wives and husband yehey!

  • Vertumnus

    The Filipino Catholic church would like you to believe that the Philippines is one big happy catholic country, where the doctrine of the church is the only law that should govern the people.
    It’s hard to understand how blind the catholic church is to the reality in the Philippines.  They firmly believe that strict adherence to catholic teachings is a must and should remain unquestionable.  For centuries the Filipinos have been herded like sheeps .
    Remain faithful, follow the teaching or else your soul will end up in hell.  Like sheeps, Filipino did what they were told, followed the orders of the church without questions.  Well, guess what, we are not a bunch of sheeps, we grew up and decided that things needs to change for the better and relying solely on the antiquated teaching of the church doesn’t work anymore.  We are educated, informed and mature enough to decide what is good for the country and it’s people.  The church should remain in their corner and minister to the souls of the people.  Don’t interfere in secular government which you do not have any business interfering with.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      BORN AGAIN – a person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • Vertumnus

        Idiot! Look in the mirror. The face you’re looking at? That’s the definition of an idiot. I was born a catholic, baptized a catholic, and I will die a catholic.

        I’ve read some of your comments. You are a certified troll!

      • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

        :P

      • Vertumnus

        *<<<<+

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        copy-paste troll, walang nagawa yang kaka-spam mo, talo ka pa din.

      • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

        i see, so how do you call people praying and bowing down to a statue made of plaster of paris? geniuses?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZIWSONMGQYN6VXR5WROLCTL3KM dokie

        no brain therefore cant’t be brainwashed hehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ROHE5UZ4CGDKA34F7LCVAARLCQ Leonardo

        VERY SORRY mxsclxmxn, NO BORN AGAIN were brainwashed by pastors. GOD gave them wisdom to understand THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. the born again were the called ones to be with the CREATOR eternally. pls. read & meditate THE GOSPEL OF APOSTLE JOHN – John 3.

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    Those bishops should rub salt on their dicks to prevent them having so many illegitimate children.

    • speaksoftlylove

      Wala kang alam i-post dito kundi “dicks.” Bakit di mo unahing ibabad sa bagoong yang dick mo?

      • TinimbangNgunitKulang

        Opo, bishop.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTPMHSQOAVKY5DO6I3VU4VZ5PQ Jude

    May I offer a solution to this issue: (1) those married by the state, should be divorced by the state; (2) those married by their church must be divorced first by that church before the state acts upon it. The reason is simple: (1) Not all Filipinos are Catholics or Christians. (2) Some religions i.e. Islam, Hinduism, etc. allow divorce. (3) and I think this is the most important: the marrying couples, knowing the particular precepts of their faith, should be bound by it. IF THEY ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY convinced of their faith, then the better marry before a judge, where the judge himself can unbind the tie of the marital vow.

    Suppose one or two of the couples changed religion, what will happen? The answer is simple: if in the new religion they are allowed to get a divorce then in as far as that Church or faith is concerned, they are divorced and the State can act UPON it. Moreover, in the former church they are still married. So what are the implications? 

    (A) We will know who the real FAITHFUL ARE! Also.

    (1) Whoever is right, in the final analysis, will be known only at the end of times. Those who were faithful or those who wanted EXIT.

    (2) The proffered material and financial benefits of all these human laws, in the final analysis again, will be known at the end of times.

    (3) Thus, we have a choice: Suffer Now (it is better to enter heaven with one arm…etc.) or Suffer later (the wheat is separated from the chaff).

    (4) No heaven at all, and those who chose 2 was right…but it does not matter to the dead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fred-Mil/100002160424509 Fred Mil

      Catholic Church will not agree. Simply because they know their flock will convert en masse so that they can avail of divorce. If that happens, mawawalan ng kita ang mga obispo

    • Jane Tan

      This is actually a good suggestion

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Great idea sir.

    • alcbu

      Good suggestion but not practical worse, it could be open to constitutional attack. A secular law must not be contingent and premised by one’s religion or on any religious grounds or precepts.

  • barry p

    One more push for Divorce (altho I will understand if Malacanang will not be so hot about this as it doesn’t involve much about social, governance issue like the RH did).
    The Philippines is the ONLY country in the world without divorce (the Vatican City is essentially not a country).
    And let us not bring out the self-serving hypocritical non-sense about Filipinos being special people, chosen people and that divination crap.  Please, let us not go there.  
    Proclaiming ourselves more righteous than the other 6 billion people on the planet is plain lunacy.
    IF POSSIBLE, if you wish maybe you can push for provisions like making the divorce law inapplicable to Roman Catholic marriages….and leave, respect other Filipinos who are not in your flock or whose marriage was not solemnized by your clergy.
    If any Roman Catholic couple would then want to get married in civil rites and therefore eligible for divorce THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN….BY SHEPHERDING YOUR FLOCK  AND HELPING THEM MAKE DECISIONS APPROPRIATE TO YOUR FAITH.
    BUT ABSOLUTELY NO TO ABORTION….NO TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

      sayang na kasal ako sa simbahan. gusto ko na palitan yung asawa ko

    • bit2ween

      You can’t have same sex marriage in the Philippines, unlike in other countries such as the U.S, Europe & others, they date their own kind. Gays marries Gays & Lesbians marries Lesbians. In the Philippines or Asia, Gays and Lesbians dates heterosexual. Different culture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fred-Mil/100002160424509 Fred Mil

    — He said that one big lesson the Church learned from the RH controversy was the need to educate the people.

    WRONG. The lesson they should have learned is that the people do not blindly follow them anymore.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    Heto na naman ang mga baliw na Damasos. Wala naman kayong kasing mga asawa kaya hindi ninyo naiintindihan hirap dalhin ng failed marriage on both the mother and the father.

    There are many couples who became closer and better friends after divorce.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WJFKZU4MSXCFXNSSWKAK5CQN5E adolfo

      TAMA KA RITO KALOY KUNG WALANG DIVORSE SA PINAS ANG MAG AASAWA AY TAKTAKBO PA SA STATE UPANG MAKAMIT ANG DIVORSE AT ANG ANNULMENT NAMAN AY NAPAKAMAHAL KWENTAHIN MO ANG GASTOS EH KAGUSTUHAN NAMAN NG MAG ASWA ANG DIVORSE PARA MAG MOVE SILA BAT NATING PAHIRAPAN AT PAGAGASTUHIN PA

  • billy31

    no Divorce in a Catholic Wedding, maybe if they wish to.
    The truth is, the majority of the Filipino people wants to have this provision of divorce.
    Actually if Catholic priests and bishops are allowed to have a wives, they and their wives will shout to allow divorce too! It is hypocrisy only or either some people does not want to show their true colors.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Divorce, Divorce, Divorce….
    Divorce this, divorce that….

    Am I ‘irking’ the RCC some more? Divorce, divorce, divorce, trial separation, divorce. annulment, anal ment, divorce.

    Good.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    “Catholic Church leaders warned that the proposal to introduce divorce in the Philippines would further divide the country after the bitter debate over the contentious reproductive health (RH) bill and implant a “culture of death” in the nation.”

    Funny, did they never realized it was already divided, and that they (and their belligerent attitude) were the very reason the division got so much worse.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

    you don’t know what your talking about have you.

    • speaksoftlylove

       don’t you not “have you,” barok.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

    That’s why you must take marriage seriously. If we have divorce sanctity of marriage is gone it would just be like a social contract that one can easily back off. 

    If your not sure of the woman your with they don’t get married. Or  break up and find someone better.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      sus, para naman walang naghihiwalay na couples ngayon.

      as if wala pa tayong Annulment — a church sanctioned dissolution of marriage.

      your beliefs are antiquated, try joining the rest of the world in the 21st century.

  • GustoKoHappyKa

    “When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.””

    Well its good to know Pnoy is not listening to them…

  • Vin

    I am ok with divorce as long as it will guaranteed that it will not be abused just like what we are seeing in the west, like the US and Europe for example, where they use divorce to leave their spouses as if their tissue paper… It is ok to have access to divorce if you are in a abusive environment where the safety of the spouse and children are at risk or other serious circumstances. 

    Biblically divorce is allowed but it is clear there that it does not allow marrying another person as it will still count as adultery (if I am wrong please correct me) once you have done it.

    I would like to reserve judgement for now until I see the draft of the bill. Personally I don’t like the idea of divorce in all since it destroys families, especially the children even if we will see them to be well-adjusted and successful in their future but the scare will definitely make a very significat impact in their lives.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PABEYKXBDR7MAHBSJNGN7Y75SI Jose

    This country is slowly losing it’s faith, it’s sad to see this happening in my lifetime and I thought we are better than other nations. 

    • Darlu Driz

      losing the faith or we’re just been enlightened bit by bit??

  • Jack Phalaphitac

    Frighteners. If these Damasos think they can scare us again with what they say are coming,  they’ve got to have another think. It’s in the web, stupid. It ain’t limbo we are talking about here. Divorce, same sex marriage, euthanasia, abortion, we are not in the dark regarding this issues, we can give our two-cents worth of ideas, if need be. It is for us, the people to decide, either we concur or we oppose. Two things are clear: We won’t be dictated upon by these Damasos and we will recognize and abide by the doctrine of  majority rule. 
    And what anti-family legislation are they talking about? Are we, the people, that dumb not to smell it miles away and yet agree? And who in congress, in his right mind, will file a bill to cause harm to the family? What’s there to gain? Once more, the Damasos are muddling the issues. And that’s scary.    

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      this man doesn’t know what he is talking about! 

      • ricomambo

        nope, i think he is in touch with reality and has complete control of his faculties.

      • Jack Phalaphitac

        Thanks. Not unlike you sir, I am. 

      • Jack Phalaphitac

        Hija, I’ve posted two paragraphs consisting of over a hundred words and all you can say is I don’t know what I’m taking about. That’s a motherhood statement commonly used by the intellectually incapable. Well, I could have stopped at Frighteners, if I didn’t. 
        On second thought, maybe I should have. Thinking about it, that word alone best illustrates you and your mentor, Damaso. Perhaps even literally.

  • magsasakasanayon

    typical response from the CBCP lunatics. they are quick to mention antilife, death bills, culture of death, antifamily, etc. when they haven’t read the divorce bill yet. some idiots just can’t shut up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      think not on your own mind, but with your conscience if u have.

      • magsasakasanayon

        thank you. i already did.

      • alberto santiago

        Maraming class of conscience : Good conscience, defiled conscience, eviil conscience at strong conscience3.  Ang Evil Conscience –  ang morally right ay wrong, at ang immoraly wrong ay right.  Multitudes of people now ay may ganitong conscience. Ang Good Conscience ay what is wrong is wrong and what is right is right based on the Word of God. He/She has the fruit of the Holy Spirit – Love, joy, goodness, kindness, faith, patience, self control and temperance.

  • $14334231

    annulment is what they want…why?….because they make money out of it…with divorce, they’ll lose that….that’s why they’re against it…..plain and simple reason,,,,,

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Excommunicate us all. I dare you.

  • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

    i’m pretty sure they’ll backtrack once they realize that there will be more business for wedding since people will get married more than once. hahaha. it’s all about the benjamins. yang meeting na yan is all about calculating the money it’ll bring. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

    you’re right vin. In Moses’ time, God allows a written divorce for the hardened hearts of the people but Jesus said it is not what God intended. If the families allow God to be the center of their life, it will not happen. It is not the responsibility of the government to educate the people, it is the church (not religion) that must act on it.

    • alberto santiago

      Sinong church ba? catholic church? Bawat tao ay may kanya kanyang pananagutan sa Dios sa kanyang sarili if gusto niyang maging corrupt o hindi, immoral o good moral. If susundin lang ng tao ang Salita ng Dios, magiging maayos ang relationship nila sa isa’t-isa, maging ang mga nasa gobyerno, pribado, religious organization, leaders, rich or poor etc…Kaya maraming tao hindi tumino ang buhay kasi hinahaluan ng sariling pilosopiya ang Salita ng Dios- na tila marunong pa siya o sila sa Dios.

    • rinom

      magulang muna kailangan magturo sa anak o mga anak. tapos iyong simbahan kung may inaaniban silang simbahan.

  • ruiznelli

    eto na nman sina Padre DamASO, pwede ba tapos na maliligayang araw niyo sa Pinas!

    • boypalaban

      tapos na ang maliligayang sandali ninyo ruiznelli at ni padre damaso…kwento ka naman…please…

  • vladimirski

    Sorry I’m a bit confuse, why are the bishops worried now about divorce when we have annulment? why question divorce now and was quiet about annulment?

    • JX Peron

       Annulment, a euphemistic form of divorce, is expensive. It was designed for those who have the money to spare.

      • bit2ween

        But the money goes to the church, that’s why they’re quiet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

    My question:
    Why do we need divorce if people engage in pre-marital sex and live-in partner. Prostitution seems to be legal. What is going on? In the end, it is the people who decide, RH bill, like divorce is nonsense at all.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSBNZB3TEKHJE5A74STZTTUHC4 ed0408

    It’s about time the Catholic Church should rethink their strategies in keeping their flock. The Filipino Catholic Church should inwardly search what went wrong with their teachings.  How
    they as disciples of Jesus Christ live up to His teachings.

    • alberto santiago

      Hindi naman talaga catholic yan, kundi ROMAN CATHOLIC – pinagsamang worship ng pagano at kristyanismo. [MIXED-MIXED]. Read the book BABYLON, MYSTERY RELIGION.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

    Do not judge all priests. All of us are not perfect. Maybe some of them are like Damaso, but not all of them. They are concern with our morality, in every issue, it is not about money. They don’t need that, because people give their offerings.

  • DarkSideOfTheMoon2

    as long as religious leaders keep on trying to push their agenda in our country…our future will go nowhere…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q3QGG5QHBLRMZTIYWUFURY6J2E Night

    strike it while it is hot….. ok na yan divorce

    it is not the states problem… it is the problem of the religion to evangelize the flock…..

    open your eyes… keso me divorce or wala.. marami hiwalayan….

    Pro Libog Pro RH Pro Divorce hahahaha

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      medyo tama ito.

      it is not the religion who evangelize the flock.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Article: “The Philippines, aside from the VATICAN, has become the world’s only
    country without a divorce law after Malta legalized it last year.” (cap emphasis mine)

    May mga mag asawa ba sa Vatican?

    as per wiki population stands at 800 (2009).

    wiki:

    As of 31 December 2005, there were, apart from the Pope himself, 557
    people with Vatican citizenship, while there were 246 residents in the
    state who did not have its citizenship.

    Of the 557 citizens, 74% were clergy:

    58 cardinals, resident in Rome, mostly outside the Vatican;

    293 clergy, members of the Holy See’s diplomatic missions, resident
    in other countries, and forming well over half the total of the
    citizens;

    62 other clergy, working but not necessarily living in the Vatican.

    The 101 members of the Papal Swiss Guard constituted 18% of the total, and there were only 43 other lay persons with Vatican citizenship.

    Pano magkaka divorce duon?

    Are we really that far behind other countries in keeping up with the times?

  • Love God

    Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
    Mark 10:8

  • Love God

    What God has joined together, no human being must separate.”
    Gospel of Mark, chapter 10:9

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      by your logic, if a couple only has a civil wedding and not “christian church wedding”, then they can have a divorce.

      what about non-christian citizens who are not “joined together” by that Christian belief? will you impose your own religious commandments to someone who does not share your religion?

      if a man beats his wife and kids halfway to death, does God still want them to be “joined together”? Is that fair?

      • rinom

        if you hear and do not believe, you are not force to believe, how much more to follow?
        you can follow what you want to follow.
        with regards to  man beating his wife to death or vice versa, the bible is telling us,,, the other can leave but do not defile himself/herself. be holy because our father in heaven is holy. he/she  can depart for God call us to live in peace. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        If what you say is true, that no one is forced to believe, or forced to follow, then you should have no objections in removing the “no-divorce” restrictions to our citizens.

        Just like with our Muslim Brethren, who are allowed to divorce, as per their own beliefs.

        We only ask that the government give the same rights to the rest of the citizens — to amicably settle a failed marriage in line with their own beliefs.

        Let the RCC impose that restriction to their flock, and let chips fall as they may.

        Sounds fair, right.

  • kuraratsa

    bakit pa kasi pahihirapan ng batas kung ang dalawang tao ay ayaw na sa isa’t isa………

  • speaksoftlylove

    Why should filipinos marry only to give the parties an option to file a divorce? This is just a waste of time and money. Just ban marriage and let people live as common law husbands and wives, whether same sex or not. In this way, they can just split anytime and divide the fruits of their marriage in accordance with the family code. Wala ng maraming seremoya pa at gastos. At higit sa lahat wala ng neuter gender na maghahangad pa ng batas para sa same sex marriage.

    • speaksoftlylove

       fruits of their cohabitation, not “marriage.”

    • alberto santiago

      Lalong morally corrupt yan.

  • Rigoberto_Tigdas

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  • i_am_filipino

    catholic !!!!! respect others religion too. If we support divorce, then respect our belief too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      what religion r u?

      • alberto santiago

        Huwag religion ang itanong mo, kundi what relationship he/she has with God. Ang tunay na religion [hindi sa pangalan] ay yaong TUNAY na inilalapit ang tao sa Dios in godly and biblical way;  not priest, nor minister, nor senators, congressman, nor party list, nor the presidents.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        ayan din ang turo sa amin, it’s not about what flavor of religion you have, it’s about your personal relationship with God.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      that’s right.

      this is the Republic of the Philippines, not the Republic of Catholicism.

      they should let the people govern their lives according to their own beliefs, and stop imposing their own religious ideologies on everybody.

      we are a Democracy, not a theocracy

      • alberto santiago

        Para malaman ng lahat ng tao ang tunay na morality ay dapat magbasa ng Bible, the Word of God na turo ng Panginoong Jesukristo.  From 6th – 10th commandment naroon ang true morality na gusto ng Dios, hindi turo ng tao, o nasa gobyerno, o religious group. If this command will obey by all kinds of people, societies, leaders, governments, countries and nations prosperity shall come. Ang theocrasy ay God leadership not church.

  • GlenMJacob

    Come on guys, let’s stick to the topic regarding the proposed Divorse Bill. Please read the Article posted here in PDI; In the Know: Only the Vatican and the Philippines by Gabriela Rep Luzviminda Ilagan. Now Bishop, can you please answer me what is wrong with the provisions presented ?.

  • AER84

    I’m glad these prelates finally admitted no one listens to them anyway – and this in my view is simply because they are hypocritical. If they truly wish to lead the flock – live the example. Clean up the Catholic Church of the pederasts, serial rapists/fathers, and the practicers of the seven deadly sins (esp. greed). So I hope they follow their own advice and just shut up until then.

  • joker_quirino

    Bakit kaya masyadong reactive ang simbahan with these laws na sinasabi nilang against moral values? Kung effective sana sila sa pag indoctrinate with their flocks regarding christian values, walang dapat katakutan. Kahit gawing legal lahat yan: divorce, prostitution, gambling, drugs, pagnanakaw, etc. etc. etc. Palagay ko walang kristiyano na gustong ma involve kasi takot sila sa katuruan ng Diyos.

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      Yah! Real Christians know how to fear God, whatever wordly laws is enacted, they know what and how to stand.

      • rbrtsmith

        that’s why if the priests believe and confident of their flocks obedience, morally, they should not interfere of whatever earthly laws implemented by the state..

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        religious people seem to think that going to church, praying, reading the “good book”, are all substitutes for morality, and simply by performing these rituals they have the right to be self righteous, and their immoral activities will be forgotten as long as they continue the pious rituals.
        Most people who pray, pray for money, it seems to me that non-religious people are far more moral than religious ones.
        Morality questions must address the realities of life like divorce, RH bills, not just allowing your life to be fatalistic, applying laws conceived by ancient desert dwellers when religions were “believe in ours or be killed”.

      • barry p

        “Yah! Real Christians know how to fear God, whatever wordly laws is enacted, they know what and how to stand.”
        Well said amigo! 

    • alberto santiago

      Ang dapat magturo ng moral values ay yaong hindi sumisira ng morality na sinasabi ng Panginoong Jesus sa Biblia. [There are lots of Pharisees today] sa government, sa religious, inside the society. THEY ARE LOOKING GOOD OUTSIDE BUT MORALLY CORRUPT INSIDE. Kaya hindi puede silang makapagturo, preach, pangaral ng good moral values.  Ang paniwalaan natin ay yaong ang itinuturo at ipinangangaral ay pangunahing nakikita sa kanyang sariling buhay.

  • alcbu

    Hopeless, these people are blinded by faith and abstinence, excuse me obstinence. Legal separation is palatable for them but not divorce. What’s the difference aside from the spelling and the cessation of marriage?. The reality is both spouses are separated already marriage for them is an illusion, so the church want them to keep on the charade for the rest of their lives? The sanctity of marriage must be protected but not at all cost. And pls stop scaring people about opening the floodgates to more anti-life, anti-family legislation we are more educated than you in the real world to be persuaded by such nonsense. Same-sex marriage? It’s gross! see I’m talking real-world language.

    • http://www.facebook.com/neil.gonzales.96343 Shaque Quesha

      “real-world”

  • tilamsik

    I am pro RH but anti-divorce…  people  got to be responsible in entering into relationships…  if there is divorce i am afraid it will just become a convenient option for parents with rifts and children especially will be the victims… in the absence of it, parents will exert extra effort to fix differences..

    lastly, i am against Catholic prelates meddling in politics.  i wish they strengthen Catholicism and help the poor…  in the first place, divorce will not even float if the Catholic church are strong in educating people about its stand…  magturo kayo huwag kayong tamad…  konti lang ang nagsisimba kumpara sa mga di nakakadinig sa inyo.. reach out to people and evangelize… hindi sa kumbento ang mission nyo

  • CyberPinoy

    Yes we also need DIVORCE, times has changed. People should be empowered with the right to choose, ang pagkaka alam ko Pilipinas nalang ang natitira na walang divorce.

    • boypalaban

      galing ng analysis mo…
      isunod na rin kaya ang same-sex marriage na gustong gusto mo…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OKC53SVPRIE3IXH34V7RDHLGQM James

    Look who is talking – Bishop Ted Bacani.  What ever happened to his sexual abuse case?  The nerve!

    • boypalaban

      kayong dalawa ba yung nasasangkot sa scandal?
      meron ka bang DVD niyan?

  • barry p

    With due respect to the the decent members of the clergy….
    But Let the hypocrites get irk.

    The medieval period is long gone….the Filipino people is fast catching up.

    The veil of mysticism long cultivated by the Catholic Church in the Philippines to put the people under its spell – that resulted into nothing but poverty, criminality and corruption in the country, and brought nothing but trapo politician and trapo politics –   is being torn down.

    Yes to RH bill.  Yes to divorce.

    No to abortion.  No to gay marriage.

    Meanwhile Padre Damaso will keep on barking and even close ranks with the camp of klepto arroyo termites to undermine the Government of the People. 

    Where is the shame?

    • alberto santiago

      Sa mga babaero at lalakero gustong gusto yang divorce at gay marriage. Today sin is most welcome na in our society and most applauded pa, while righteousness is considered wrong at hindi na uso.  Kaya tingnan nyo ang nagyayari sa mga bansang ganito mas matindi ang family break up and break down, criminality and corruption at ngayon ang effect sa kanila ay going down to poverty not only financialy but specialy decay morality.  Look at America, Japan etc… pabagsak na sila at bumabagsak pa. Kahit anong gagaling ng mga namumuno if corrupt morality ang pinaiiral babagsak at babagsak. The Bible says:  ” I wish above all things that YOU MAY PROSPER AS YOUR SOUL PROSPER.”

      • GlenMJacob

        Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan stressed that HB No. 1799 would not allow a “no-fault divorce” similar to what is being implemented in Las Vegas.
        “HB 1799 was carefully crafted to take into consideration Philippine values and traditions that give utmost importance to the way Filipinos appreciate the family as an institution,” she said. “It will not allow couples to get married today and get divorced tomorrow.”

      • barry p

        I agree with Ilagan….No fault divorce is an abuse of the idea.

    • inquirercet

      i say yes to a debate about abortion and gay marriages. if we shut it out just for religious purposes, we are doing the filipino people a disservice. let us debate about it and see where we go from there.

      • barry p

        why do gays wanna get married anyway?  

        what’s the pain in not being allowed to do so?

      • inquirercet

        the same reasons as straight people.

    • Julio7

      I am completely agree with you for RH Bill, Divorce and No same-sex marriage. However, when it comes to abortion, perhaps you have different personal opinion regarding the legality.
       
      I am no pro-abortion, but a bill authorising abortion (and to what extend it permits to do so) in the recent case in Ireland for the death of Savita Halappanavar who died after being refused an abortion has changed my paradigm. Mrs Halappanavar had repeated request from the doctor to have abortion while she was suffering a miscarriage. The doctor refused because Ireland being a Catholic nation has a law criminalising a doctor for performing an abortion.
       
      Despite her repeated pleas over three days, doctors refused to perform a termination and what was shocking to me is the doctor telling Mrs Halappanavar – “This is a Catholic country”.
       
      20 years ago, the Irish government overturned an injunction preventing a 14-year girl, who had been raped and was suicidal because she could not get a legal abortion in Ireland and wanted to travel to England for abortion. The X case had not been successful to legislate the legality of abortion due to the lobbying of the Catholic Church. Today, the Irish MP is fighting to legislate abortion.
       
      As most pro-life and Catholic church echoed, the idea of the equal right to life of a mother and her unborn child is appalling. While the unborn had no responsibilities compare to the mother who had more responsible to take care of the other sibling, I cannot help but wonder – protecting the right of the unborn is obliterating the rights of the living.

      • barry p

        Lifted from Wiki:

        There is no law in the Philippines that expressly authorizes abortions in order to save the woman’s life; and the general provisions which do penalize abortion make no qualifications if the woman’s life is endangered. It may be argued that an abortion to save the mother’s life could be classified as a justifying circumstance (duress as opposed to self-defense) that would bar criminal prosecution under the Revised Penal Code. However, this has yet to be adjudicated by the Philippine Supreme Court.

        In terms of pregnancy due to rape let the person choose accdg to her conscience. No one should judge her.  

        I’d be interested with the stats.  What’s the frequency, demographics, social cost…etc.

        I’d to believe the frequency is minuscule. Also maybe what’s needed is exceptions to the law for medical reasons and for victims of rape.

        Overall…no to abortion definitely.

      • Julio7

        What does Abortion Law for? Abortion without reason is a criminal offense. Abortion-on-demand such as selecting preferable-sex on unborn-child, due to unwanted pregnancy and a mere choice of individual is a crime tantamount to murder. But abortion to save one life is logical, reasonable and justifiable.

        Pregnancy due to rape can’t be aborted if the choice is to terminate, because of the absence of law. No medical practitioner will perform any act such as in the case of Ireland.

  • GlenMJacob

    copied from the article In the Know: Only the Vatican and the Philippines by Gabriela Rep Luzviminda Ilagan

    The bill lists five grounds for filing a petition for divorce:
    1. Petitioner has been separated de facto (in fact) from his or her spouse for at least five years at the time of the filing of the petition and reconciliation is highly improbable.
    2. Petitioner has been legally separated from his or her spouse for at least two years at the time of the filing of the petition and reconciliation is highly improbable.
    3. When the spouses suffer from irreconcilable differences that have caused the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.
    4. When one or both spouses are psychologically incapacitated to comply with the essential marital obligations.
    5. Any of the grounds for legal separation that has caused the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.
    Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan stressed that HB No. 1799 would not allow a “no-fault divorce” similar to what is being implemented in Las Vegas.
    “HB 1799 was carefully crafted to take into consideration Philippine values and traditions that give utmost importance to the way Filipinos appreciate the family as an institution,” she said. “It will not allow couples to get married today and get divorced tomorrow.”

    • Magsasaka

       maganda pala ang proposal, baka magbago ako ng isip hehehe

      • boypalaban

        wala kang babaguhin…wala ka namang isip e…

      • Magsasaka

        may dumating na namang isa pang member ng mangmang, inc. hehehe, hinahanap ka na ng mga damaso maglinis ka na daw ng pwet mo hehehe

      • rbrtsmith

        pabayaan mo yan..tingnan mo lahat ng post nya,puro one liner without any logic and bases for arguments.galit lng siya sa mga intelligent posters.ok sana kung may argumento pero wala eh..

      • boypalaban

        intelligent ka na pala sa lagay na yan…hahahaha
        ano pa papuri mo sa sarili mo?

        ha?

      • rbrtsmith

        sinabi ko bang ako? may post ba akong nireply mo?dalawang kutsarita lang cguro utak mo no? mgbasa ka naman

      • boypalaban

        tatlong kutsarita naman…
        ikaw yung kutsarita..disposable…hahahaha

      • Magsasaka

         natumbok mo bro hehehe

      • boypalaban

        ilang damaso ba ang di ka pa napagbibigyan sa pagnanasa mo sa kanila?

        type mo ba yung maputing pwet o mahabang kargada?

        dun ka na lang kay mikey angas kabayo…enjoy ka doon sa idol mo…hahahahaha

      • Magsasaka

        sino yon?kaya mo ba sinasabi yan dahil natikman mo na sya hehehehe

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    Silent Suffering

    The reality is, even with the lack of divorce in our country, some couples do separate. It is an unfortunate reality of life that we must accept. Should two people be doomed to a lifetime of unhappiness because of a failed marriage?

    I just think, that marriage is a “social contract” and not entirely a religious commitment. Therefore if a couple’s religious beliefs do not hinder them from seeking divorce, then the state should not insist that they be married.

    In such cases as domestic abuse or infidelity, we can not truly insist that a victim stay married with the victimizer.

    Alas, that is what is happening in our society now. People who have absolutely no chance of reconciliation; wives who left their abusive husbands; couples who have been separated decades ago; still bound by an archaic law.

    We, through our inaction and indifference, have sentenced these people to a lifetime of silent suffering.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      In the west, ,the definitions of “domestic abuse” can include almost anything, “arguing in front of the kids”; if you stop your wife spending the family budget on new shoes or jewelry, that is “financial domestic abuse”. She can write that she is “scared of her husband”, the burden of proof if non existent and hearsay evidence is accepted.
      It is geared for women, and feminists in USA want male “logic” to be domestic abuse too. This is what the consequences of divorce legislation are, particularly when the state easily financially replaces her husband with social security payments all paid for with MAINLY MALE TAXES.
      I am pro divorce, but these are the consequences, men scarcely break up their own families, women DO, men have massive losses potentially with divorce bills, just saying

      • ethicsingov

         I’m sorry to tell, PH need more education about domestic abuse and violence. In western world, justice is fair depending on the circumstances. Both parties can be charged with assault, etc and the children will be taken by the authorities to spare them from witnessing the violence and get caught in the cycle. The problem in the PH is double-standard between a separated man and a separated woman. Divorce can make the playing field equal for men and women and the interest of the children.

        Here in western world, couples faithful on their religion don’t necessarily opt for divorce though it’s available to them. PH being late on its implementation will understandably go through some growing pains.

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        It does NOT make it a level playing field for men and women, and the expression “in the interest of the children” is used as an excuse to ALWAYS give the kids to the mother and she then gets the house and the car, paid for by the man. Allowing a woman to legally dispose of her husband and allows her to stop the father from seeing his OWN children is NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE CHILD. There is NEVER any research as to what is in the interests of the child.
        Divorce is NOT in the interests of children or fathers or men, males in the west have lost many rights because of divorce and the governments greed to make men work for tax harvesting

    • Seaflip

      You summed it up buddy!!…it’s the best argument I have read thus far…”a social contract and not an entirely religious commitment..”

      Now let’s irk some more bishops, retired and active!  I dont care if they dont vote for me, I aint runnin for office!

      • boypalaban

        dont worry idiots will praise you…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        uy! kamusta, nawala ka.

      • boypalaban

        lie low…
        nagmamasid….

        palaging salungat mga ideas natin…

        pero…

        ikaw lang at mga dalawa pa na posters dito ang hinahangaan ko…may sense ka kasi mag-post…yung iba sinasabayan ko lang sa asaran…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        oo nga, salungat na naman tayo, hehehe
        pero natuwa naman ako at nagkasalubong uli tayo

      • Seaflip

        Get a mouthwash! LOL One bishop irked!

      • boypalaban

        hahaha…
        sumaiyo ang aking kaisipan…hahahaha

        bishop yung nasa babang nagkomento…hahahahha

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      You think women do not abuse their husbands, i suppose? female self obsesed nonsense

      domestic violence – women are HALF the problem

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        dude, that was put in there to illustrate a common scenario, but not in anyway meant to absolve any party of fault.

        so easy ka lang with the women bashing, chill

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        Anybody who stands up for men’s and father’s rights is “women bashing” to you, then? Men are facing more and more problems and they are being minimised, you must be careful in what you write, not just give the i pression in a public forum, that ONLY women are victims because that is not true.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        I never said, women are the only victims, you made that conclusion all by yourself. re-read the posts, if you’re not satisfied.

        You obviously have strong emotions about women, and their accountability in today’s society. Unfortunately it goes way beyond the topic of divorce.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3MOR3Y4F6TTBTFTMZEGSCRIOTU romero

    “Divorce will not be a very good development, in my own personal opinion, especially after the RH bill that has so severely divided the nation,” Bacani said in an interview. “It will further divide the country.”I think It is the CBCP that has been divided from the catholic filipino people and don’t get involved into the proposed Divorce bill, you will further be divided. bishops doesn’t know the meaning of divorce. not unless youre married.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    When I was only two years old,
    My daddy went away.
    He swore he’d always love me,
    But he said he couldn’t stay.
    Days turned into weeks
    And weeks turned into years.
    I never saw my father,
    He never saw my tears.
    He never read me bedtime stories
    Or tucked me in at night.

    I’m looking forward to my future,
    But I’m still trapped within my past.
    I guess I’ll never understand,
    Did I do something bad?
    My parents got divorced,
    But why did I lose my dad?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      so the best thing for a child is to grow up with two people who no longer love each other?

      to grow up with parents who can’t stand each other so much that they want to file for divorce, but can’t?

      that’s a household you want to raise a child in?

      how very cruel

    • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

      Tatay suntok nanay.
      Tatay lagi lasing.
      Sila lagi away
      Pag tatay dadating.

      Suntok ni tatay
      may basbas ng simbahan?
      Iyak ni nanay
      wala ba katapusan?

      Bow.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        alangya! yan ang poem! may action at drama!

      • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

        Palanca. Naamoy ko na ang Palanca.

      • Jay Ann

        Ang tanong ni nanay, sa mahal naming kura,
        Padre paano na, Padre paano na?
        Hanggang kailan pa akoy magtitiis?
        Sa buhay kong ito, na sakdal ng hilahil.
         
        Magpakatatag ka anak, ang sagot ni Father,
        Ang pinagbuklod ng Diyos, wag paghiwalayin ng other,
        Tiisin ang lahat, suntok, sipa, mga latay…
        Magkalagot-lagot man, nyaring tanang buhay.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        oh ha, buti pa yung mga response poems orig at hindi copy-paste.

      • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

        Hahaha. I hate you. Mas maganda ang poem mo.

        Although mas exciting ang structure ng poem ko! LOL.

      • Jay Ann

        haha.. ser… mas maganda sayo, nainspired nga lang ako sa poem mo e.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      That situation has arisen in the west, because governments are forced to pay for the social security of single mother families using MOSTLY MALE TAXES. Women are allowed to easily replace their husbands with the state, divorcing often for trivial reasons, huge numbers of divorced children never see their fathers again.
      This has created a matriarchal underclass of single mothers with feral kids.
      The young men in the last shootings in USA, the spiderman cinema and at the school were both typical, if you read about them, they both had very very strange mothers.

    • Jay Ann

      This poem has nothing to do with divorce. It’s all about bad parenting.

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        the clue is in the line “my parents got divorced” dohhhhhhhJay Ann,

  • jaws378

    If divorce bill is being considered by Congress, maybe the Bishops should better come up with rational arguments against it instead of just threat without any logical basis. The passage of the RH Bill should be a lesson to them; the people are no longer ignorant to just believe whatever they say.

    • indiosbravos2002

      Agree. Wala nang argument ng excommunication, hell, at delubyo pag napasa ang isang progressive na bill. Katawa tawa at kabobobo ang dating ng obispo

    • ethicsingov

       Pls post your message in twitter and let’s see how much it will be retweeted. I think many will agree with you

  • http://www.facebook.com/simoun.magaalahas.10 Simoun Magaalahas

    Nakakahiya naman ang mga pinuno ng mga simbahang katoliko sila pa  ang nagiging factor para magkagulo sa Senado at Congresso. wala na bang maisip na paraan na makakatulong ang mga Damaso na ito na hindi magkakaroon ng alitin sa mga pulitiko natin?

    • boypalaban

      hingi ka ng pera…pambili mo ng condom…baka nahihiya ka sa libre….

  • KpTUL

    Sometimes, things just dont work. You fall in love and then fall out of it. Marriage is very important to many people on earth especially for the Catholics. The government should encourage people to remain married (same partner) for the rest of their lives, not because of moral issues (i.e., the bible said so) but because it is the will of the people. In the same line of reasoning, these people should not shove to the throat of those who fall out of love and wanted divorce. For F**ck sake stop imposing your hobbies to the rest of the filipinos.
    Surpirisngly for a self-righteous catholic country, married people cheats often here (yeah cheating is prevalent). It is the job of the church to police its flock and not the state’s.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/AN2I7Q4CDDWYTAGCPXL2YN3XWY Rey

    The divorce bill will not depend on the composition of the next congress; it will still depend on P-Noy.  Chances are, it will push through with Aquino as president.  So what if the Philippines is the last country aside from the Vatican (which is not a country, by the way) that has no divorce law?

    Shame on the majority of the bishops who supported Aquino in his presidential bid!  They have been had.  Aquino was baptized a catholic, educated a catholic, a friend of bishops and priests and yet presides like a practical atheist.  Shame on the Catholic Church!  They did a poor homework so far in educating their own.

    Not far behind are the “death bills” and same sex marriage.  What gives?  Why kill softly your people through the law and pervert their morals?  

    What is true, noble and good never change.  They stand the test of time.  When humans encroach on the territory not their own, it will spell disaster to them.

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      You will never stop progress, the RC church should do more listening and less lecturing

      • boypalaban

        anong progress diyan?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        progress as in raising the quality of human life.

      • Alajero

        …amen to that IAN…the church need to review their stand…based on modern concerns…not the outdated context that the Catholic, philippine version still feel and see…

  • turbogirl9

    Mga maniac kasi sila para palit ng palit ang babae nila.

    • GlenMJacob

      Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan stressed that HB No. 1799 would not allow a “no-fault divorce” similar to what is being implemented in Las Vegas.
      “HB 1799 was carefully crafted to take into consideration Philippine values and traditions that give utmost importance to the way Filipinos appreciate the family as an institution,” she said. “It will not allow couples to get married today and get divorced tomorrow.”show more

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        ayun, may ganon naman pala eh, edi mabuti ng hindi maabuso

  • inquirercet

    they should also look into benefits given to civil partnerships. as of now live-in partnersare still not allowed to take philhealth and sss benefits from their partners, even if they have been together for so long. this is not right.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZR7JI7G2WD2CTVMZ7LM667FD4 Ugly Bunny

    Dr.  Ricardo Boncan, spokesperson of Catholic Vote Philippines, said the
    group was ready to “educate” lay Catholics so that they would know who
    they would vote for in 2013. 

    WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHO TO VOTE FOR?

    • joker_quirino

       The catholic leaders were trained to talk but they were not trained to listen.

  • Jomex

    “What is happening? It would seem that some legislators are throwing the concept of God out the window.”

    That is if you equate God with morality. But God is anything but moral. If you read the Bible, it is littered with immoral commands against homosexuals, women, children, tribes, witches, slaves. Of course you can find the occasional morals like the Sermon on the Mount, but the Bible is full of immoral injunctions that would shock even the most insane person.

  • turbogirl9

    PROBLEMS TO NATION  POLITICIANS N GOVT.

  • jgl41456

    The CBCP have become out of touch with their flock and the world.

  • akimaxx

    Is there a differentiation between ANNULMENT and DIVORCE? Both means separation between married couples instituted by the church or the state. Annulment is a church approved separation (a very expensive process) while Divorce law is a state approved  married separation law, imposing the parental responsibilities to their children. Fathers who leaved their families without any support for his siblings must definitely stop. Mothers alone shoulder parental resposibilities.

    If the Catholic church is implementing ANNULMENT to their members, why are they against passing DIVORCE law? Not all the Filipinos are Catholics. Muslims have divorce law.  Are the Damasos afraid that Catholic couples filing for a divorce will go to the state instead, not the church? Mukhang pera-pera lang ang usapang ito.

    • Yobhtron

      Nice observation.  These Damaso’s are only after their monetary interests.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

      totoo ‘yun.

    • tukmoldinako

      sorry for my short understanding of the matter, what i only know but i wont insist  was, annulment and divorce is the same.  and the church is not practicing anyone of them.  we had cases now in the Philippines were married couples are annuled.  annulment was conducted by the government, and the church is mum at it because the involve couple themselves do not inform the church of their separation knowing the church will say no in what he calls divorce.

      in the philippines , Pilipino couples mostly are married in a church and submit the papers  in the municipal hall for acknowledgement and registration, which will later transported to the NSO for the status. similar when a child is born had it registered in the municipal hall and transported to NSO for the record.

      why then that the church is involved in this issue? because the couple was married in the church.  in a church wedding, the sacrament of matrimony according to the church is holy, during  the act of matrimony you involve God. the couple, likewise will swear ” in richer or poorer, in sickness and health till death do us part”, im not  much sure of the particular word. and according to the church due to the involvement of God the couple is joined into one,  where they said ” who ever had God joined , no man should separate. This is the reason where divorce is contradicted by the church.

      Now, if this is the reason, do not get married in the church. marry instead in the huwes where you don’t involve God. However, many of us are with a church, and most parents would love to see their children to get married in a church, and even women would loved to be married in a church. because the swearing is important if you truly love the woman, you have to swear to a God. Unlike, if you are married to a huwes, you  swear to a man, they call it a trial and error kind of marriage,  where you can ask the judge later for annulment as simple as that.

      one of the catch will be , your children, if you are not married in the church, your children will not be accepted by the church for baptism,  again as tradition calls for parents joyfully will parade thier children in baptism to show to the world of having a legitimate child, dito na naman papasok yung legitimate children, medyo naguguluhan na ako , hope you understood my long explanation, not sure if it is correct. then product of divorce which is the broken family and so on.   

    • speaksoftlylove

      Your comment and those who blindly believed in your post proceeds from your ignorance of the Family Code of the Philippines. First, there is a lot of difference between a annulment and divorce. In fact, there are two situation where marriage can be annulled in the Phil. and these are Annulment and Declaration of Nullity. Both have separate and distinct legal grounds. The Church does not implement annulment. It’s the Court that decides and orders it. It is in legal separation that requires the approval of the Church but this again has a set of separate grounds and the couples cannot remarry, got it? There are six grounds for annulment such as lack of parental consent, insanity, impotence, fraud, etc. What the bloggers usually mentioned here like repeated physical violence is a ground for legal separation, not annulment. We have already three situations under our existing laws where married couples can be separated so why insist on divorce when trivial grounds can be used for expediency at the expense of the children?

      • akimaxx

        Annulled couple cannot remarry? The diocesan tribunal decides. They can remarry or not remarry if the case involved as mentioned in the family code e.g. mental sickness, impotence etc. Nora Aunor and Christopher de Leon annulment case is a good example.

      • akimaxx

        Nora admitted her fault. Christopher was married to another actress, Sandy Andolong. Nora and Boyet are both normal persons but life must move on. Like a good story ends , they live happily ever after.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I have no problem if no children involved.
    But I do have to put them first,
    sacrifice for them if necessary.
    am I hypocrite ?
    it is different love.

    • Yobhtron

      Based on your posts, yes you are hypocrite and confused with your convictions.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

      divorce will actually protect the children that would be affected by it through the alimony clause. without a law, there is no protection and those wanting to separate can actually do it without hindrance. with this law in place, separation will be so expensive that one has to think hard of going through it or just make the relationship work.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      respectfully, I disagree.

      I don’t know if raising kids in an environment where the parents can’t stand each other is the best idea.
      If two people are only forced, by law or by guilt, to stay together, then I don’t think there is real love there.

      Situations like these tend to escalate into open hostilities. Then the entire household suffers. Especially if araw-araw na lang nag-aaway yung parents.

      Maybe in these cases a separation is truly the best idea. That way the distance will atleast enable the divorced couples to be civil with each other.

      just my thoughts.

    • Sid Marcel

      paano mu malalaman yun kong hindi mismo ikaw Juan wala sa sitwasyon na yon? Yong opinion mu base lang yan sa nababasa mu sa aklat o sinasabi ng simbahan. Hindi mu alam kong ano talaga ang buhay ng nakamaling pinakakasalan.

      Sino ba ang nagsabi na hindi primero-una ang mga anak? Bakit, pag ikaw ang hiniwalayan ng asawa mu, e hindi mo na priority ang mga anak mo? Mukong hoi!

      Its a different love? anung love yan e nasa planetang Pluto ka tapos mga anak mo sa planetang reality. Gising.

      • boypalaban

        saan makikita yang planetang reality? nasa wikipedia ba yan?

  • playamoth

    Mawawala ang ‘monopoly’ ng simbahan sa ‘legal separation.’  Ang diborsyo ay ipagkakaloob ng estado na idadaan sa mga korte.  Para rin yang jueteng na pribado laban sa bingo ng simbahan

  • Alajero

    …its a good time to discuss divorce…that make sense in the philippine context..the time has come…filipinos should now be mature enough to discuss…

  • http://twitter.com/bigg_dawg big dawg

    these hypocrites react like the government will ask all couples of the philippines to divorce. it’s simply giving our countrymen a choice. what’s so difficult about it? if you don’t want divorce, double time in inviting people to church and speak more about good family values. ang hirap sa inyo puro pagbibilang ng kwarta inaatupag niyo at pananakot ng katholik vote, there’s no such thing as katholik vote. ano kayo INC? INC lng ang magaling mang brainwash

    • boypalaban

      pati mga anino ni pacman na laging nag-aabang ng ikapu…

    • mapicchu

       very good, you are correct!

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    one should be shamed,
    to talk about divorce.
    but this bill,
    make it like a victory.

  • bryant85

    As a believer  of God, I am totally against this move of Belmonte. This immoral thought of him exemplifies him to be a devil’s incarnate. It’s again so clear what God had said “what he put together let no man put asunder.”

    • GlenMJacob

      copied from the article In the Know: Only the Vatican and the Philippines by Gabriela Rep Luzviminda Ilagan

      The bill lists five grounds for filing a petition for divorce:
      1. Petitioner has been separated de facto (in fact) from his or her spouse for at least five years at the time of the filing of the petition and reconciliation is highly improbable.
      2. Petitioner has been legally separated from his or her spouse for at least two years at the time of the filing of the petition and reconciliation is highly improbable.
      3. When the spouses suffer from irreconcilable differences that have caused the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.
      4. When one or both spouses are psychologically incapacitated to comply with the essential marital obligations.
      5. Any of the grounds for legal separation that has caused the irreparable breakdown of the marriage.
      Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan stressed that HB No. 1799 would not allow a “no-fault divorce” similar to what is being implemented in Las Vegas.
      “HB 1799 was carefully crafted to take into consideration Philippine values and traditions that give utmost importance to the way Filipinos appreciate the family as an institution,” she said. “It will not allow couples to get married today and get divorced tomorrow.”

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         the lists are hypocrisy. if people want to divorce, they will make life that way. the bill is instigative.

      • GlenMJacob

        Then that is were the priest comes in to shepherd them to the righteous way but the a choice is there rather than living together in hell. I also want to get your opinion about the church sanctioned annulment what is the deference ?.

      • Vin

        how can we judge if the relationship is beyond reconciliation (reconciliation is highly improbable)? how can we tell if there are indeed ‘irreconcilable differences’? 

        one important question is this retroactive?

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      what God had said “what he put together let no man put asunder.”

      but then the RCC recognizes annulment, which, for all intents and purposes is the same as divorce.

    • walangutak

      Ow! Sabihin mo kaya ang kasabihang yan sa mga obispo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

      you are only a believer of the parasite church. even the Messiah favored divorce in cases of adultery and infidelity. when two people decide to live as husband and wife, the Creator neither blesses nor condemns it if it was done under a pagan church — such as the parasitic catholic church.

      and if you’re quoting from the scriptures, be sure that there are no quotes that would be thrown back to you, like “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s…” Matthew 22:21 — that defines the absolute separation of the church and the state.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IUT52OF65ETHYCJPFBFNXHYBLQ rouge

    The law on marriage is a civil rights issue, not a morality one.  If the Catholic Church refuses to recognize divorce decrees, I respect that.  But the Catholic Church cannot impose its moral convictions on the rest of the country.  The Philippines is 85-90% CHRISTIAN, not 100% Catholic.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    Here’s an interesting fact:

    Under Presidential Decree No. 1083
    Filipino Muslims are allowed to divorce

    Doesn’t this violate the equal rights of Filipino citizens when only a selected few are allowed a certain right?

    If the government can grant this right to our Filipino Muslim brothers, then it should be granted to all Filipinos.

    We demand Marriage Equality

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       I love reading your posts. I love the way you think. I love the way you reason.

      Heck, with the Christmas season here, I love you, even if the God of the RCC doesn’t.

      Keep it comin

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Aww shucks, thank you for the kind words sir. I too enjoy reading your posts.
        I especially liked getting rickroll’d by your nick!

    • joshmale2004

      Not only that. Under their shariyah law, they can have more than 1 wife.

      • Pitbulldog

        Kaya gusto nyo ganon din? Wow.  Muslim women even just right after birth are given off for marriage to Muslim men.  Ipinagkakasundo na ng magulang yan.  Christian women, most of them, are free to choose whoever they want to marry.  They have all the time to know if the person they want to live with the rest of theri lives are truly deserving of their trust and love.  Kung nagkamali man, di naman sinasabing magtiis ka.  may avenues naman sa batas natin, legal separation annulment.  E ano pa itong Divorce?

      • joshmale2004

        Well, I don’t know why you are reacting in such adverse way. I was just stating a fact and I did not even stated whether I am in favor or against divorce.So don’t ask me about divorce as I don’t know still what I am going to say until I have read details myself.

  • Albert Einstien

    i just HOPE young lawyers society & IBP will QUESTION RH law to the supreme court on GROUNDS of INTERGENERATIONAL INTEREST…..not merely on religious grounds…..RH law wants to KILL the FUTURE of filipinos … RH is an enacted HOLOCAUST of  HITLER …….same EVIL purpose,.same agenda…to wipe out the future filipinos & destroy their future….so SAD….politicians DONT KNOW & UNDERSTAND what they have DONE to this country….!

    • GlenMJacob

      The RH bill (soon to be law) is a CHOICE given to the people Not an imposition as what the Damasos has been falsely saying.

      • Albert Einstien

        My friend…..it is NOT a FREE choice but an unconscionable SET-UP with govt funded free condoms…. ..that is why in our  criminal law…there are so called INSTIGATION & ENTRAPMENT doctrines….also in our civil law we have the DOCTRINE of ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE…condoms are indeed attractive nuisance to the poor… : > )

        for public education…

        attractive nuisance doctrine ====. a legal doctrine which makes a person negligent for leaving a piece of equipment (SLIDES, fun objects & accesories in & around swimming pools etc ) or other condition on property which would be both attractive and dangerous to curious children.

        people ( especially the poor ) are children of the state…govt is supposed to be parens patriae…( parent of the country)……

      • boypalaban

        nag avail ka na ba ng free condom?

    • acidicboy

       please stop using that name, even if you spelled Einstein wrong (LOL) your comments are an insult to a great great man who not only was intelligent but was a very peace-loving and gentle person. 

      oh, “intergenerational interest”?  “enacted holocaust of hitler”?  wahahahaha imbento ka na ng words, imbento ka pa ng terms. tapos wala pang saysay.  naaawa na ako sa mga kasama mo sa bahay, ate. 

      • Albert Einstien

        my lonely friend…before you JUDGE a person..sir..please try to EDUCATE yourself first…

        RULES: Usernames or pseudonyms based on another person’s identity, publicly known or otherwise, living or dead..are PROHIBITED!

        SOLUTION: IDEM SONANS….sound like or mis-spelling is ALLOWED…besides there is already a user account einstein…

        hope that i contributed a lot to your EDUCATION…. : > )

      • boypalaban

        may asido utak niyan…pasensiyahan mo na…

      • acidicboy

         wahahaha… ikaw boy palaban kasi?  sa alam ko nanay mo ang palaban eh.  pero malambing pa rin <3

      • acidicboy

         thanks for clearing that up.  now, can you explain what “enacted holocaust of hitler” means?  and what is “intergenerational interest”? 

    • Sid Marcel

      Albert, luma na yan tugtugin mo. Nagbago na ang landas pinoy. Sa tagal kasi pakikinig sa mga pari, walang nangyari sa problemang subrang daming popolasyon. Yung sinasabi mo walang katutuhanan yan. At alam mo yun. Pakinggan mu ang sarili mo. Tapos ulitin mo yun hanggang maging tutuhanin talaga na ang sarili mu ang napakinggan mu at hindi na ang pari sa simbahan. Ma susorpresa ka sa kakayan mu Albert. Masasabi mu na matalino ka pala at walang sino man magdekta sa iyo.

      • boypalaban

        naniniwala ako sa problemang hatid ng sobrang dami ng populasyon….IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGANDANG HALIMBAWA…HAHAHAHAHA

      • boldyak

        and yet gusto mo ang gobyerno na ito ang magdikta sa mga tao na gumamit ng contraceptive, akala ko ba yaw mo an pagdiktahan ang mga tao?…ang pamimigay ng free condoms ay pagdikta sa mga tao na gumamit ng condoms…ano ba talaga?….haha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AQ7FKNAHJQWEDZKOGGWF7E3ZZU Gene

      why not do it yourself? also question the rh law counterpart of rome. remember rome? where the vatican is? rome? right? rome! it has its version of the RH law!

  • walangutak

    Do we have to follow what foreign nations are doing just to be with the trend? Anyway, there is nothing to argue as this issue was not taken up by congress yet and “Malakanyang” already denies any insinuation that it supported this alleged bill. Unconstitutional yan kasi merong diskriminasyo, paano ang mga pari na walang mga asawa (kabit lang), di ba discriminated sila? He he he!

  • yokolok

    do we have to listen to this crab that comes out of the bishops’ mouth and obey ? maybe just for that we should push through with the divorce bill??? let’s go…church naman ang nagsuggest eh…

  • WeAry_Bat

    I had an insight during our hot discussion between legalizing divorce or not…

    The opposing guy was fat.  When he snored, the walls vibrated.  He would not be married if his wife knew him much better.  He would have been divorced if his wife had the chance.

    Same also for a number of men who lied and hid their faults to marriage.  Lazy, lying, smoking, drinking, gambling but no job. 

    Characterized by Jose Rizal in one character who comes in from the cockpits, cleans out the meager food, sleeps then hies off again to do nothing with some gambling.

    Divorce to all worthless men!

    • boldyak

      that only shows that you have to know your man before marriage, hindi yung kinalabit ka lang sa discohan kinaumagahan pakasal ka na dahil nakakotse….mariage is a commitment between man and woman…hindi for convenience….ano yan trial and error?…get a life…

      • boypalaban

        …nakuha sa satisfying sex….

      • WeAry_Bat

        haha like you don’t know men deceiving women

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AIPSCQM2TZQUMQ5GEIMWMWDFL4 Edward Solilap

    What a stupid reason if we proceed with the divorce bill we shall be a nation of death? a divided country? yes only the church leaders want to separate themselves because now they realize more than hallf of the Catholics no longer listen about their holy lies.

    • boypalaban

      kailan naging holy ang lies?

      e stupid comments gaya ng sa yo…kailan magiging holy?

    • boldyak

      in commenting like this i see taht you are the one who is a lier…

  • ThePattern

    we NOW live in the Age of Reason not in the Medieval Ages.  Wake Up bishops!

    • boypalaban

      ikaw na lang ang tulog…

      yan lang ba ang Reason? at kapag hindi ganyan ang Reason.. Medieval na?

    • boldyak

      AGE OF REASON??…hahaha…can i kill you and make a good reason for doing it, can i be free?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        yes. self defense is 1.

  • acidicboy

    for battered & abused women and wives of philandering husbands, a divorce law is their only way to escape a failed relationship, and sometimes a way for them to escape physical and mental anguish and even death.  and the law makes sure that they need not be afraid of separating from their abusive husbands because of monetary considerations and support. 

    there are countless women out there suffering silently and live lives stripped of dignity because of men they thought they knew. yes, we need a law that will help them. 

    • Vin

      there are also battered/abused husbands as well being done by their wives as well…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/7ZD47W63EC666J6ZDDYMD4IF4U Lani

        then the battered husbands should also divorce their wives…kaso nahihiya silang malaman na USA or USAFE cla

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        that is OK as long as there no kids, in western countries you can say goodbye to being a father to your kids if you divorce and hello to being just a visitor in their lives, and if she is really spiteful ( many many are) , she will not let you see your kids ever, and the law will not do anything. Divorcing women are encouraged by their lawyers to make up false allegations of domestic violence and even sexual violence. That is what pinoys will face if there is divorce particularly by violent females, of which there are MANY MANY MOREthan you may think.
        If there are no kids, and you have a violent wife, she will make false allegations against you, and the cops will no longer listen to anything you say and YOU have a high chance of being arrested. These laws apply in PHILIPPINES too, they are due to governments listening to extreme violent hate movement called feminism, but fathers rights and mens rights have been born in many countries due to th extreme injustice of what is happenng to males, it will happen in Philippin es too
        H

    • boldyak

      there are laws existing that can help them, have you heard of legal separation?…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        that’s Title II of the Family Code.
        However, doesn’t Article 63, Sec. 1 states that:

        (1) The spouses shall be entitled to live separately from each other, but the marriage bonds shall not be severed;

        so that means, they are separated, but still can not re-marry?

        So the victim, after escaping domestic abuse, is now effectively sentenced to a life as a spinster; because they are not allowed by law to ever marry again.

        That sounds a lot like social injustice.

      • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

        I personally know many pinoys whose wives are very violent, mine attacked me with a knife, my friend had nightly visits from his crazy pinay ex girlfriend who smashed the door down. Women use stealth, weapons, violence by proxy. They are the ones who uses pychological violence too

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        I sympathize with your ordeal, and that of your friend’s. Like I said, I’m not absolving women of any blame or responsibility.

        Your situation only proves that there are problems that go way beyond “normal marriage”. And imposing a “no-divorce” restriction is just not realistic.

        We should allow couples all available options to settle a failed marriage amicably. And that means keeping divorce on the table.

      • Pitbulldog

        Okey lang yon.  They need understanding.  Ako nga, dalawang cell phone na nabasag sa kababato sa kin ni esmi pag napupundi.  Okey lang, may love e.  Wag lang siguro ibato sa akin yong lap top, kasi mahal yon.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Agreed.

        And what if the separated person would want to get married and have children someday.

        They would be entitled to love…, but WOULD IT BE FAIR not to grant them other rights associated with marriage… ie. legal matters that involve family, inheritance, consent (medical or otherwise), information, etc.

        Would the children be called illegitimate simply because the first marriage ended up in separation.

         

      • acidicboy

         yes I’ve heard of legal separation.  do you know how hard it is to get one? and do you know how expensive it is? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    Pag may divorce na, ang mga abugado ay makikinabang.
    Dadami kliyente nila! Nagbabayad ba sila ng tamang buwis?

    • boldyak

      dadami na rin akong maging ex-wife….pipiliin ko mga matrona, tapos divorce agad…yayaman ako nito, maging dahilan bakit divorce ko ay, unsatisfying sex….wahahahaha….

  • Pitbulldog

    Tie Belmonte to Pnoy by the balls and drag them along with Pia  to Luneta and burn them alive.  Revive Inquisition as it seems we are going back to the era of the witches…witch na balo, witch na single mom at witch na binatang gurang.

    • dickenhead

      hehehe let me guess you must be catholic

      • boypalaban

        kagaya mo…

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      and what? make a martyr out of the RH supporters?

      And picture the RCC as a tyrannical group of men who kill those who go against their thinking?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/66IBL6GXM2FRIGHLCBH5XG4L4M Wafu

    uunlad b ang pilipinas pagme divorce n?magisip nmn.mdag2an b nian ang trabaho?kung ndi k nani2wala sa turo ng diyos eh saan k nani2wala?sa turo ng demonyo sa isip m?isip2 nmn pinoy.

  • asarin

    tanong ng isang obispo, “ano ang susunod?”
    sagot ng isang pinoy: papayagan na ang mga beking pari at obispo na makapag-asawa as in same-sex marriage! gay priests/bishops having sex with minors will be decriminalized! priests/bishops can now marry whoever they want… at marami pang iba para sa mga pakialamerong roman catholic church! abolish na rin ang separation of church and state. mga pari at obispo ay pwede ng tumakbo bilang presidente o kagawad ng barangay!

    • boldyak

      ikaw ang may gusto makialam sa palakad ng mga katoliko, sigurado akong gusto gusto mo may same sex marriage, kasi gusto mo pakasalan yung humuhothot sa iyo para di na makawala… 

    • boypalaban

      ikaw asarin ang susunod…ikakasal ka na sa gaya mong lalake…enjoy…malapit na dec 21…enjoy mo na ang lalake mo…

    • $31594090

      wrong person

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      TAMA KA JAN MGA PARI SILA RAPIST NASA HANAY NILA ANG MGA BAKLA AT YUNG CARNIVAL TAGLE BAKLA YUN SURE YUN!! SILA ANG DI SUMUSUNOD SA UTOS NI CRISTO DI SILA NAG AASAWA PERO NAG MOMOLISTIYA SILA NG BATA!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/66IBL6GXM2FRIGHLCBH5XG4L4M Wafu

    kung kaimpokretuhan ang turo ng simbahan n turo din ni kristo eh anu twag sa pani2wala m?prodemons?

  • Pitbulldog

    I am a happily married man but why am I against divorce?  It is just like a passing fancy among P-noys.  If others are at it, then why can’t we?  We have lived all through these years without divorce, we can survive for sure without it.  Why not just keep the status quo, use what is available. Mga gaya gayang pulitikong pulpol… 

    • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

      Not everyone else is as lucky as you are.

      Paano ang financial security ng mga anak na iniwan? The fact is, this is not as difficult as the RH bill. It is only putting on legal document the actual family situation, first for the benefit of the children, and secondly to give the spouse the chance to live a new life after a failed marriage. 

      Sino ba gusto maghiwalay kung maayos ang pagsasama? With or without divorce law, naghihiwalay naman talaga ang gustong maghiwalay….. at sila yung imposible na talaga magsama. Mas mahirap naman yung nagkakaliwaan samantalang may asawa. The children will never be able to psychologically adjust and accept dahil bukod sa imoral na nga, ay illegal pa. The divorce law will take care of them.

    • $31594090

      Please don’t impose your lifestyle on others. You have no idea of the turmoil that existed for so long within any disatisfied couple if you have not been in their shoes.

    • Sinugba

      “Why not just keep the status quo”? Change is part of life. In order to improve, you have to change something and change should not be feared. If you think that our society is perfect and do not need to be change, have your brained check.

      • Pitbulldog

        Change what which is bad.  What is wrong for  some is  not for others.  If that is the status quo which for a disgruntled some is not good but acceptable for the majority, why not just improve it rather than change it altogether?  That is my point.  America has degenerated into perversion and criminality nowadays because she has weaned helsef too far from the very institutions that should have helped her a lot in molding her young people with the moral and spiritual values that should have guided them through adulthood.  What you see now are a bunch of young, violent  people, mosty products of broken families.  Mga liberal masyado utak ng mga pulitiko ngayon at lahat minamadali.  Unhain muna nyo gutom at kahirapan ng mga tao, pwede ba?  RH bill, divorce bill, BS.  

  • joboni96

    mawawalan nga naman ng monopolya ang simbahan
    sa annulment nila

    bawas kita
    bawas remittance tungo sa vatican

    pero kontra rin ako sa divorce
    baka i divorce ako ng asawa ko
    hehehe

    best pilipino solutions

    1. sex education at condom
    walang nabubuntis
    walang napipilitang magpa kasal

    2. mga martyr na asawa
    mga asawang tago ang pambababae
    sinusuportahan ang mga anak sa labas

    3. walang divorce
    panindigan ang pagpapasakal

    dahil sa kolonisadong utak
    gaya gaya tayo sa banyagang
    ginagamit ang diborsyo
    para legalize ang kanilang
    kalandian

  • http://www.pulisnapogi.blogspot.com/ Pulis Na Pogi

    “I do not wish to sound ‘We told you so’ but
    that very statement itself reveals that RH is just the beginning of a
    series of antifamily and antilife legislation,” Castro said. “This
    government has revealed its true face. It has never been for the welfare
    of the family, women and children.”

    what is more anti-family and anti-life than the rule of the catholic church itself prohibiting their very priests of having a family and children of their own?

    HYPOCRITES IN THE TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD!!!

    • boypalaban

      kapag wala bang asawa anti-life na?
      kapag wala bang anak anti life na?

      di nga pala ako katoliko…

    • jga94

      Bakit?may nakahain na ba na panukala?Let’s take things one step at a time….wala pa nga pinapanugnahan nya naman….ang nagsasalita lang naman ay yung mga cause-oriented groups who are taking the opportunity to create awareness for their cause..

      if you remember, PNoy was already supportive of a bill for Responsible Parenthood when he was running…I do not think he expressed the same support for divorce (correct me if I am wrong) so I do not think ganun kadali iyan…FOI Bill muna…

  • neverwint3r

    well, the divorce bill is long overdue. times have changed and the church needs to let go, they’ve been keeping the country stucked in the middle ages.

    the divorce law is for women who stands to benefit from it. unfortunately, a lot of people who are against it are actually now well-informed how it works .kung me divorce law, it would be deterrent for philandering husbands as they can be divorced by their legal wife and all his property and belongings will go to her and also be forced to provide alimony and financial support to their kids. the wife gets protected by law instead of suffering daily beatings and humiliation stucked in a non-workable marriage relationship. also, it gives both a chance to start a new life.

    • boypalaban

      kumusta naman protection ng mga husbands?

    • boypalaban

      “unfortunately, a lot of people who are against it are actually now well-informed how it works .”

      ganon???….well-informed pala kami e…

      o bakit di mo masagot tanong ko?

      paano kung walanghiya yung babae…kumusta naman ang protection para sa lalake?
      o sige research ka muna ulit…

      10mins lang ha?

      time starts NOW…..

    • http://twitter.com/Sizzle75Ian ian martinez

      You will find that in reality the number of violent wives amd philandering wives is quite high too, your post is sexist and shows a hatred of men, women are very self obsessed, i have reported your post as inapropriate, men are LONGER willing to be abused by such nonsense and sexist remarks

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      i don’t think alimony or cs should be used as leverage between two people, thou.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      That maybe the law of other countries, what could be ours then? Is it to be the same as you had mentioned? 

  • $31594090

    I don’t see how these bishops and priests have the right to control the affairs of all couples. Being single by choice or deviant, there’s no way that they can relate to the feelings of dissatisfied couples. Such feelings are totally alien to them. Under this premise, they are not qualified to act on behalf of any couples; happily married or not.

    • boldyak

      ang babaw ng tingin mo sa wisdom nila tungkol sa pag-aasawa…and i am sure, they know more what it takes to be married than you…subukan mo na kausapin kahit sino pari tungkol sa alam mo sa pag-aasawa…at ng matauhan ka…

      • frudo

        maaaring may alam sila bakit hindi nagbabasa sila ng libro nagaaral ang tanong nasubukan na ba nila iba ang theory iba rin ang actual  mag asawa sila at baka sila ang matauhan 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      STUPID COMMENT!!! 
      BORN AGAIN – a STUPID person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • ricomambo

        troll.

      • frudo

        zero knowledge ang mga pari at bishop tungkol sa pagpapamilya wala silang experience kaya wala silang alam? at isa ka rin dun brainwashed by priest   hangang ngayon di ka parin nakakalaya kasi alipin ka nila malamang matandang binata ka or matandang dalaga ka kaya sarado isip mo

  • jga94

    I will be on the fence with a divorce law…i was pro-RH Bill…

    With the constant surveys showing that majority of the people are for RH Bill, I think it is high time for the Church to re-examine themselves and how they “teach” their flock. I am not saying they should change their teachings….they should just maybe examine other ways to convey the truth as they believe it to be…the overwhelming support for the RH Bill only shows that the people they are supposed to be teaching just don’t “get them.”

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/DWRHqlNoppBOATBbtwpQkaAEQdMOmejmkPJb#24a25 jeff

    The passage of RH bill comes at a time when credibility of anti-RH bishops are at its lowest. They were conspicuously silent during the corruption heyday of anti-RH gloria’s administration. The more they talk and tirade against the pro-RH, the lower their credibility is falling.

    These bishops would rather support anti-RH mitos, gloria, datu arroyo, sotto, etcetera to be in the legislative. My goodness!

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    Ang natatakot lang sa divorce law ay ang mga iresponsableng asawa, lalo na yung mga pakainin na e may bisyo pa…kung medyo may looks, e papatol pa (bayad man o wala).

    Kung nagtutulungan ang mag-asawa at maayos ang buhay nila, meron ba maghihiwalay? Ang hihingi ng divorce ay yung hiwalay na o wala nang tiwala sa bawat isa.

    Kontra ka….bakit naiinsecure ka ba? May kasalanan ka o di mo kayang panindigan ang relasyon na pinasok mo!! Okey lang yan idivorce ka kesa putulan ka habang natutulog.

  • Albert Einstien

    RH law ..My friends…..it is NOT a FREE choice but an unconscionable SET-UP with govt funded free condoms ( P 2,500,000,000.00 billion pesos ) …. ..that is why in our criminal law…there are so called INSTIGATION & ENTRAPMENT doctrines….also in our civil law we have the DOCTRINE of ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE…condoms are indeed attractive nuisance to the poor…RH law wants to KILL the FUTURE of filipinos … RH is an enacted HOLOCAUST of HITLER …….same EVIL purpose,.same agenda…to wipe out the future filipinos & destroy their future….so SAD….politicians DONT KNOW & UNDERSTAND what they have DONE to this country….!…. : > )

    for public education…

    attractive nuisance doctrine ====. a legal doctrine which makes a person negligent for leaving a piece of equipment (SLIDES, fun objects & accesories in & around swimming pools etc ) or other condition on property which would be both attractive and dangerous to curious children.

    people ( especially the poor ) are children of the state…govt is supposed to be parens patriae…( parent of the country)……

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    “Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the CBCP’s Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said Belmonte’s remarks only showed that calls for unity and reconciliation following the passage of the RH bill were a sham….”
    This is the first time that I hear a priest who do not believe in possible reconciliation. So what now? Away away na forever?

    • frudo

      kasi mga biiter nga di sila makapaniwal na gising na ang mga Pilipino 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U2VPSRNUA6MZGXS7FX6W5ZRCBI Antonio

    i’m not sure who would still believe with these bishops.. they are becoming very irrelevant after their RH bill debacle… 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      Irrelevant? And you, a wise monkey studying from modified bible just yesterday? Now it seems you know everything!

      Are you a BORN AGAIN?

      BORN AGAIN – a STUPID person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS! 

      • frudo

        isa ka rin sa brainwashed ka rin ng mga pari at bishop,  hangang ngayon ignorante ka pa rin? mag asawa ka muna kasi bago ka komontra wala ka pa experience 

  • VeryDisgusted2

    The organization with many child molesters wants to be an authority on divorce issues.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      what do you expect, they failed SEX issues.

      lol.

      • VeryDisgusted2

        Sexual perversion should be their field of authority, not divorce, such as child molestation, same sex relationship, etc.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “Sexual perversion should be their field of authority, not divorce, such as child molestation, same sex relationship, etc.”

        ahahaha.

        perhaps.

        I was referring to their loss on the RH issue as ‘sex’.

  • sinagbayan

    It’s about time divorce should be legalized in the Philippines. It is a right that couples should have and should not be subjected to and held hostage by the musings and moralism of the Catholic Church or of any church for that matter. The Catholic Church claims to protect the sanctity of family, hell yeah it does, at least the form of the family, not the essence. In other words, even if the dynamics of husband and wife is no longer productive, safe and healthy, they should be a forced to be one. It’s like putting on icing even when underneath, the cake is already rotting!

    ANG PILIPINAS AY ISANG REPUBLIKA, HINDI PAG-AARI NG KAHIT NINONG SIMBAHAN. DIVORCE BILL should be passed.

  • Sandy Bulet

    Bilang tagapagtaguyod ng kabutihan matagal ng bigo ang mga pinuno ng simbahan na ayusin, itama at itaas ang moralidad ng mga tao, matagal ng pinagbibigyan ng gobyerno ang simbahan lalo na sa usapin ng Family Planning at Diborsyo. Nakikita ng gobyerno na pasama ng pasama ang tao sa kabila ng pagsisikap ng simbahan kung kayat kailangang nitong kumilos upang magkaroon ng gabay ang bawat isa. Nakakalungkot lang isipin na ang simbahan na bigong maging  pundasyon ng moralidad ang pangunahing humahadlang upang mapabuti ang buhay ng isang pamilya. Kailanman ay hindi maiintindihan ng isang Pari ang damdamin ng isang taong may pamilya hanggat hindi sila nakatayo sa parehong sitwasyon.May parehong layunin ang 2 institusyon, igalang natin ang karapatan ng bawat isa. Ang simbahan ay tumayo para sa moralidad at pabayaan na ang Gobyerno ang magpatupad ng nararapat na batas upang maging gabay ng mga taong nalilihis ng landas na hindi nakayang patinuin ng turo ng simbahan. Minsan para sundin tayo ng nakakarami, ipakita natin na karapat dapat tayong sundin, linisin muna natin ang sarili nating bakuran upang maging kaiga-igaya sa mata ng ating nasasakupan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DKHID3EEHTG27U5JXRIIUVKXQA Jose Rizal

    Let’s bind ourselves together in these trying times…to give way to life…and not give in to the pressures…
    Where not every vote is due to “carrot & stick” considerations…where the lay person can vote to give life dignity, where life itself is a gift and a dignity given…no matter what the economic or health circumstances one may have experience in the present…LIFE IS PRECIOUS, however it begets responsibility, let’s continue to support life.
    Bind ourselves, brothers and sisters…Let us dignify life….

  • Sinugba

    Even in Italy where the vatican resides has divorce law and family life is still strong as ever. The Philippines has been left behind by all countries in regards to Divorce Law. This has created untold misery to multitude of couples who find the marital bless fading.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DKHID3EEHTG27U5JXRIIUVKXQA Jose Rizal

      Pare, i’t “marital bliss”…Sunod ng sunod kasi sa uso, eh.
      Ayusin mo muna ang spelling bago ka susunod sa uso, ha’ne?
      Hahahahahahaha!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        BISHOP JOSE RIZAL ALAM KO DAMASO KA!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Another STUPID COMMENT!!! All of your comments are just STUPID!!!
        BORN AGAIN – a STUPID person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • frudo

        pag asawahin muna ang mga pari at bishop tignan ko lang kung di sila gagamit ng contraceptives  pag sampu na anak nila at wala na sila maipakain

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Alimony….di ko naisip yun ah….

    ahahahaha

    Child support din.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DKHID3EEHTG27U5JXRIIUVKXQA Jose Rizal

      Ni, hindi nga makabili ng condom at pills, eh (kaya ipinasa ang RH Bill).
      Hahahahahahahahahaha!  Kasi uso sa Europe at sa US, ganun lang ba ang considerations?  Kasi uso?
      Hahahahahahahaha!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Ah… if you are planning on divorce..you dont need condoms. ahahaha

        My question is how the law will provide for alimony or cs. So far, wala akong naririnig.

        Hmmmm. Divorce bill is far from ready.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Agreed, let’s see the text of the bill first, so we can have a substantial debate about it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        YAN ANG SABI NI BISHOPS PARA MAPIGIL NILA PROGRAMA NG GOBYERNO LALO NA SA MAHIHIRAP KAYA DUMAMI ANG BATANG HUBO SA KALYE AT DESPERADO!!

  • johnlordphilip

    The big question for the prelates is: Is the Philippines MORALLY UPRIGHT among all the nations in this world with Divorce Laws now that we didn’t have divorce law? Or are we just depriving our women (also men) of their basic rights to live a happy life outside a terrible marriage because we didn’t have Divorce Laws affordable for them.

    • boldyak

      this is exactly the prelates is fighting for…to prevent further deterioration of moral values…so, gusto mo na basta na lang tayo susunod sa mga bansa na may divorce law, dahil hindi tayo morally upright tulad nila…waht a crap

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VLO53PRSSY76BZOWLOHJDM33M jeray

    An economist warns the Reproductive Health bill could put an early end to the demographic sweet spot the country hopes to begin enjoying by 2015.
    Economist Bernardo Villegas explains the demographic sweet spot is that point when the country’s large population becomes a boon to the economy.

    • WeAry_Bat

       Most economists get things wrong.  They don’t even agree with each other.

      That “sweet spot” may still be trailing behind the population trajectory, and therefore, will never happen.

      But because of the RH bill, the trajectory will stall, maybe giving time for that “sweet spot” to come up from behind.  Or it may take longer…

      It may be possible the worst has happened, that spot has arrived before but became the skilled and talented OFWs who left the country in the 80s and 90s.  Thus the survival of our country due to remittances.

      The spot of tomorrow may be for manual labor.

  • virgoyap

    While I’m for it, set it aside muna until the next President.

  • ThePattern

    madami pa din talagang komentaryong paurong dito. 21st century na tayo, wala na tayo sa panahon ni Magellan at mga prayle. 

    • boldyak

      masabi nga naman na modern ka na klaseng tao…hahaha

      • ThePattern

        hay mali intindi mo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BISHOPS PAJERO!! AMEN!!!

  • bloodmaster

    I spent 200,000 pesos for my annulment. I am now legally single again. No divorce necessary

    • riccisan

      it seems that you’re well off, my sister still cant separate legally kasi walang ganyang kalaking pera. with the divorce bill its much faster and more cheaper hopefully.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        agreed.

        if only the super rich can avail of a church approved Annulment, then that is social inequality.

        we should have Marriage Equality for all citizens.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        I don’t think it would come in quick and cheap.

      • riccisan

        i respect your opinion. however there’s what we call the ‘uncontested divorce’ meaning both parties can separate and agree on property, children, and support issues, etc. its optional to have lawyers here, and you know naman kung gaano sila kamahal maningil. lawyers take a large chunk of money on such legal issues lalo na sa pinas.

  • wawangpenoy

    I am a catholic by birth, unfortunately, and for a while, was a practicing catholic complement of my catholic school upbringing, until I came to my senses. I still believe in God and talk to my God, not pray, but  no longer a believer of organized religion, which I just realized, stupid of me for being slow, organized religion is purely a business concern. Nothing more, nothing less.

    DIVORCE  is of national interest therefore it may not be a bad idea that the people be given a direct hand on this issue.

    These catholic dimwits who calls themselves CBCP, are really moronic. They talk of further dividing the country after the bitter debate of the RHB. What they can not accept is, that they are the ones triggering the divide. Had they relegated themselves to their rightful place of irrelevance in this society, we would not have gone through what we had. It would have been a purely principle divide where each side is defending what they believe in and at the end of the day, everybody accepts the verdict anyway. But look at these hypocrites in robes, they are again jump-starting divisiveness. And they are resorting again to scare tactics which is typical of the yesteryears DAMASOS. They are so much in a denial still. Bunch of stupid moronic bozos labelling the bill/law as death bill.

    Then, there is this Lupus Rodriguez, another moron, who says the divorce bill will take us to the brink of moral decay. REALLY? REALLY? Just how dumb area you? Until you corrupt politicians amend your ways and stop being grafters and corrupt, we will never have morals. You and your breed took our morality away since the invention of politics. You even have the gall to call your bunch ‘honorables’ when you know very well, you are all thieves and scheming s.o.b.s  For lack of more suitable words, I will settle for understatements.

    As for the issue of divorce, I strongly suggest a plebiscite. After all, who else can better express what they feel about marriage, than those who are already married, about to be married or planning to get married, not to mention those who wants to get out of their marriage. The Election 2013 ballots probably haven’t been printed and this could be included in the ballot or whatever is proper for this matter. Let the CBCP morons campaign against it till their souls burn in hell. This way, we will avoid the clash with these CBCP morons and avoid another embarrassment for them. After the election, all Congress has to do is forget it if the proposition loses or sit down and draft the IRRs if proposition wins. The people speaks, the legislature and the executive submits to the people’s will. No ands, ifs or buts. Money and time  is saved. Everybody moves on.

    WHY DO I GET THE FEELING THAT CBCP WILL OPPOSE MY SUGGESTION??  HMMMMMM
    CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE FILL IN THE BLANKS.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      “Then, there is this Lupus Rodriguez, another moron, who says the divorce
      bill will take us to the brink of moral decay. REALLY? REALLY?”

      Makes me want to ask Mr. Rodriguez: What countries that have divorce laws are in the brink of moral decay? If divorce leads to moral decay, and some countries passed their versions of the law quite a long time before, then some of them should be in moral decay,  or in the brink of it.  Which ones are those?

    • I_am_a_citizen_of_the_world

      You must have so much bitterness against your religion then.  Haven’t get over from there yet?  Why wouldn’t you ask your parents whom have brought you up about the idea of DIVORCE?  Or are you from a broken family, that is why you seem to favor DIVORCE?

      God must have loved you so much that after all you been through you are still here, so it is your challenge how to keep a family tight if ever you have one or is planning to have one.

      Family is His design and his institution, that is why having a family is a serious business.  Divorce is just a quick fix for any man or woman who is playing around with the sacredness of marriage for sake of carnal desires isn’t it?

      Be careful…

    • frudo

      ang galing ayos! korek ka jan

  • boldyak

    the solution is get into the cause why people after marraige want to be separated….unless that solution is addressed…divorce will worsen the kind of society we have…sino ba ang makikinabang ng divorce law?…mga artista, mga elites…masabi lang na maging tulad na rin tayo sa western culture ayos na…what a crap

    • wawangpenoy

      Ayaw ko sanang mag-comment pero ang TANGAAAAAAAA ng comment na ito. ‘tong klaseng comment ang nagsa-sadlak sa mga kababayan nating mangmang na maging bobo habang panahon. Unang-una, western culture daw. Anyway, dahil ignorante ka, Pilipinas na lang ang nag-iisang bansa na walang divorce. To follow your logic, the Philippines is east, north and south, everywhere else is west. BRAVO!!! And by the way, divorce is not a culture. It is a dish in the western world.

      HE HE HE

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JZVF4Z7ZEIJSZSLNUEP2ETLDLQ ob

      @BOLDYAK.. “why people AFTER marriage want to be separated” daw..maybe you mean “married people…” if you say “after marriiage” then they are already separated.

    • TwiggyRamirez

      …yay! at karamihan ng taong bumoboto sa eleksyon, ganito ang pag iisip kay Boldyak. no wonder kumbakit di umaangat ang bansang Pilipinas.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BISHOPS KANINO PAJERO ITO! AMEN!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE! DAMASO!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      STUPID COMMENT!!! All of your comments are just STUPID!!!
      BORN AGAIN – a STUPID person with zero knowledge about faith brainwashed by PASTORS!

      • franklyn flores

        Easy ka lang @yahoo-SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU:disqus 

        “but I say, if you are even angry with someone you are subject to judgment! If you call someone and idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. Matthew 5:22 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        Don’t worry, calling an evil stupid does not matter much on him!

        What will matter to this evil is the TRUTH from our LORD!!!

      • acidicboy

         please don’t use the name of the Lord, you hateful misguided bigot.  lalong nagagalit si Lord eh.

      • frudo

        eh kaso di mo rin alam ang katotohanan ignorante ka rin yung ang totoo  brainwashed ka rin ng mga pari bishop mo,, 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/67MNKU7JSBV35RO7ROKB6G64JI fishy_jojo

         not all of us protestants are as violent.

      • reddfrog

         Eh kung agnostics?

    • barry p

      Such harsh words are uncalled for dude.

      Stick to your points.  

      Salamat po.

      • reddfrog

        It’s not harsh, it’s actually accurate. Let me break it down for you:

        Satanas: The great deceiver. And guess who are spreading lies about the RH bill and divorce. And who are deceiving us into thinking they are morally upright?

        Carnival: Entertainment. Puro dakdak, drama at threats. May mga demonstration pa to show their power (eh 7000 lang ang nagpakita). Carnival atmosphere di ba?

        Damaso: Hypocrite. Preach one thing and do the complete opposite.

        So Satanas Carnival Tagle! Damaso!! ===> So precise.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SYG36KOOLRY47VA3ICPJJ5CQTQ ADD

    The Filipinos will always be divided on any issue, that’s a given fact, that’s democracy. But the RH Bill is a majority decision by the Filipinos, CBCP is just trying to magnify their numbers but the truth is they are on a decline. Only few believe and listen to the Roman Catholic Church, they can hear mass in Latin or any other language, the fact remains that the Roman Catholic Church is an invention by the Romans to rule the world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    How about the “bishop’s divorce” as laymen would call it? Does it irk them also?

  • brunogiordano

    “Manila Auxiliary Bishop Broderick Pabillo said the chances of a divorce bill becoming law would depend on the composition of the next Congress.”

    Good!!!!! Sinabi mo iyan.

    Umpisahan na ninyong I-kampanya ang inyong mga anti-DIVORCE candidates upang malaman namin kung sino ang mga hindi dapat iboto.

    Come on.

    Let’s get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

    “The divorce bill is different. It is specific and will hit the family. Even pro-RH lawmakers know that the hardest hit casualties of divorce would be our children,” he added.”
    Agree, 101%… couples who separate/severe their marriages especially those who have young kids are SELFISH. They don’t care even if their kids will get psychological problems in the end….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fred-Mil/100002160424509 Fred Mil

      yes … better let the kids witness mommy and daddy shout at each other every night. let them hear the verbal and witness the physical abuse of unhappy couples. that is a lot more better. the kids wont get psychological problems in the end

    • gregory robinson

      And if there are NOchildren, the man suffers the most because the judge gives everything to the woman.

  • TwiggyRamirez

    When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are saying.”

    …in that, I salute our President Pnoy! imagine a president listening to these bishops and giving away SUVs/Pajeros. geeez!

  • brunogiordano

    “the hardest hit casualties of divorce would be our children,” he added.

    Maling argumento.

    Kung sa isang familia ang magasawa ay hindi na talaga mag kakasundo, ang malaking casualty ay bata, physically, emotionally at mentally.

    Ang tanging solution dito ay DIVORCE upang maipagpatuluy ng maayos ng bawat isa ang kanilang mga buhay. (anak, ina at tatay)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Kung meron na tayong “DIVORCE LAW” — Kung violent either sino man sa married couples at may mga young kids sila, hayaan silang mag diborsyo kesa naman nakikita ng mga bata ang pananakit ng either side…nasa kanila na iyon… (allowed sa old testament, pero pagkakaalam ko, di na allowed sa new testament…)

      Meron ding mga ‘andres’ na binubugbog, sinasampal at minumura ni Mrs. at meron ding (palikero, sugalero, basagulero, lasinggero at addict) na mister, so san pa.. sila rin  ang bahala kung gusto nilang mag diborsyo, tutal nagdecide naman silang nagpakasal eh hayaan lang kung gusto nilang mag diborsyo…

      Pero pag ako nagpakasal sa simbahan, kahit na anong mangyari, di ako magpa file ng diborsyo sa kung ano mang dahilan…..

      • brunogiordano

        “Pero pag ako nagpakasal sa simbahan, kahit na anong mangyari, di ako magpa file ng diborsyo sa kung ano mang dahilan…..”

        Lahat kaming mga pro-DIVORCE ay iyan ang nais namin mangyari.

        Subalit ang pagsasama ng magasawa ay two way street. Hindi lang Ikaw may decision.

        Ang DIVORCE law ay isang standby solution sa may mga nais mag avail nito.

        Hindi porke may divorce mag di divorce ka makagaya lang. (OK din kong trip mo at payag ang iyong asawa).

      • wawangpenoy

         Sarap mo namang pakasalan. Pag katapos ng kasal I can go back to my merry ways without worries that you would leave me. Pag nagreklamo ka, sampal agad ang abutin mo. On the premise that you’re a good earner or you’re rich, I can quit my job and just spend
        your earnings to finance my earthly pleasures and not worry. You’ll be around waiting for me.

        WOW!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VLO53PRSSY76BZOWLOHJDM33M jeray

      Kaya nga may sayad kasi di nila naayos. ganun lang yun.

    • acidicboy

       and they don’t see anything wrong with kids growing up in an environment where they’d see physical and mental abuse?  they think a child who grew up seeing his father pummeling his mother won’t do that when he’s married? 

      not that divorce is the only answer, but for some women and their kids, this is a chance for them to have better lives. 

      • gregory robinson

        Divorce is good also for the men who have been scammed by women who only want money and power………..then hold the kids ransom from the father.

    • boypalabobo

      According to divorce magazine statistics:  Children whose parents were divorced are 90% likely to get divorced if their parents remarried.

      Divorce will destroy the family culture of the Philippines.  It will cascade to all sectors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VLO53PRSSY76BZOWLOHJDM33M jeray

    Alam nyo libog lang namn talaga punot dulo ng lahat. Alam mo ng mabubuntis kung eentot ka, tapos isisi sa mga pare dahil di raw pinangaralan ng mabuti. Ang ta nga namn… Isisi sa kapit ba hay kung bakit di naka pag aral anak nya… Ang ta nga naman…Tapos papakasal sasabihin, Ikaw ang una at huli kung mamahalin….. Naku! libog lang pala…Pag nagpakasal kayo at di nyo maayos ang pagsasama nyo at naghilwalay parihas kayong may sayad at abnoy. Ganun lang ka sempleng intindihin. Sinasayang nyo lang ang binabayad naming tax sa usapin tulad nito. Dahil sa katangahan nyo. Isali nyo na nag mga politikong hunghang.

    • Yobhtron

      Dakdak ka ng dakdak hindi ka naman nagbabayad ng buwis gaya ng mga amo mo na Damaso.

  • wawangpenoy

    May isang inang nag-aalaga ng asawa nyang may sakit sa ospital na dinalaw ng pari. Isang paring nakakakilala sa kanila dahil siya ang nagkasal sa kanila at sa kanya dumudulog ang babae pag may problema. Sa madaling sabi,, alam na alm ng pari ang lahat ng pangyayari sa mag-asawa. Katunayan maraming beses na kapag dumudulog ang babae sa pari ay puro pasa at kung minsan pa ay nakasaklay dahil hindi makalakad.

    Nag-usap ang pari at ang nasabing ina. Sa bandang huli, ang sabi ng pari sa ina….. “kita mo na. kung hindi mo tiniis ang pambubug-bog sa iyo ng tatlumpung taon, di sana magkahiwalay na kayo. Kita mo, hanggang ngayon matibay pa rin ang pag-sasama nyo”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Kagandang kuwento… me mga ganyang misis kaya lang mangilan ilan lang sa real life…

      • frudo

        uu kasi nagtitiis nalang kasi nga walang divorce law

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X5PYVOV2P7BBBNREQJZNNTWWE4 weybayarea

    Ayos din ang model ng PDI.. Si Bishop Bacani, Ang nag RAPE na obispo sa kanyang sekretarya.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fred-Mil/100002160424509 Fred Mil

    PAG NAGKA DIVORCE MAWAWALAN NG KITA SI DAMASO… wala na kasing mag papa ANNUL!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fred-Mil/100002160424509 Fred Mil

    Bacani said the harm divorce would bring was clear in statistics, not just in social costs. “It will also destroy the very sacred nature of marriage,” he said.
    — KORRECT KA DYAN BISHOP…. BTW BISHOP… ANO PO ANG ANNULMENT?

  • acidicboy

    … and once again, the bishops think this is all about them.  like how their equally ignorant predecessors thought Copernicus and Galileo was attacking them by saying the Earth is round and the universe does not revolve around this world- and particularly around them. lol…. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU yahoo-F4ODCZSX7YKSNDWWAQ5YYE6DMU

    Tanong lang to talaga, kung ang mga pari, pwede lumabas sa pagpapari, baket ang mag asawa hindi pwede lumabas sa kasal nila? diba pareho namang sakramento ng simbahan yun?

    • mark sahaoman

      magandang tanung yan bro.. even the time of Jesus, the priests are the law breakers. hindi daw dapat bigyan ng sacrament ang isang tao na nag suicide pero sa pinas di sinusunod ng mga pari. hindi daw pde binyagan ang anak na ang parents ay hindi kasal pero sa pinas hindi sinusunod. bawal ang abortion pero sa harap ng mga simbayad mabibili mga pampalaglag.. bawal ang divorce pero tahimik sa premarital sex kaya dumadami mga anak sa labas at single parent.. tsktsk

  • turbogirl9

    THE END OF THE WORLD MIDNIGHT TONIGHT

    • Don Dee

      Mauna ka na! 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/XMN3FVWXMJ3UM24I2LSRA67KBM Pao

        mauna saan?

    • Observer_din

      magpaturbo ka muna, kasi end of the world na . :)

    • frudo

      so what kung end of the world na mapipigil mo ba yun?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/67MNKU7JSBV35RO7ROKB6G64JI fishy_jojo

    instead of educating their lay members to rally against certain politicians, why don’t they just teach more in-depth how to properly raise a family? make themselves more available to counseling and hearing from their members, and be ready to provide more practical solutions.

    • Don Dee

      This is the right approach for the church. TEACH! Turuan nyo ang flock nyo na maging mabuting asawa ng hindi mapunta sa paghihiwalayan. Whether or not merong batas na nag a-allow ng divorce, kung hindi mag kasundo ang mag asawa sumo tutal nag hihiwalay pa rin. SO TEACH. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Do not force your ideologies unto people of differing faiths. Ano ba kayo, TALIBAN?

      • reddfrog

         How can hypocrites teach? They have zero credibility. Anyway, their main purpose is not to teach, but to exercise power.

      • frudo

        yun nga lang  ang problema

      • GKLer

        HAHAHAHAHA.  YOU ARE a hypocrite as well?  LOL!!!!!

    • frudo

      tama ka jan pag napangaralan nila ng maayos ang mga tao kahit may divorce law hindi papansinin ng mga tao kasi napangaralan nila at naturuan ng maayos nagtataka nga ako kung bakit ayaw nila ng divorce law eh pde sa kanila ang annulment ano kaya yun, 

  • Cubano

    Bago yang divorce law na yan, unahin muna ninyo ang political dynasty.  Pinagbabawal ito ng 1987 Constitution kaya bigyan ninyo ito ng priority……

    • mark sahaoman

      ang problema.. yung mamamayang pilipino bumuboto sa mga kilalang personalidad lalo na mga kamag anak ng mga pulitiko. kasalanan ng mga mamamayang pilipino yan hindi ng mga pulitiko

  • Don Dee

    Eto ang moral standard na dapat natin lahat sundin (from the web):

    BISHOP BACANI OFF TO U.S.; SEX SCANDAL PROBE ON

    Novaliches, June 9, 2003 By Jose Aravilla, (Star) Bishop Teodoro Bacani Jr. is leaving for the United States today for a three-week vacation as the Vatican begins to investigate a sexual harassment allegation against him by his secretary — the latest sex scandal to hit the country’s dominant religion. 

    Bacani, one of the Philippines’ most popular Roman Catholic bishops, apologized and offered to resign from his post as head of the church’s Novaliches diocese. 

    In a statement apologizing to priests, followers and his secretary, Bacani denied the accusations but acknowledged making an “inappropriate expression of affection.”

    —————————
    [end of quote]

    I make no claims to be a very moral man, but I can assure all of you, I was never charged with sexual harrassment! How dare these sex offenders lecture the rest of us on MORALS! Naayos mo na ba bishop ang kasong ito? Magkano ang areglo?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ABEPTOVR322UT6ZQDDVUZ3AUHI Ricky

      mabuti naman at di ka nahuli.

      • Don Dee

        I do not lie. I do not steal. I do not cheat. That much I can tell you,   Here’s a challenge for you, mag Google search ka with the keywords “Pinoy priest sex rape harrassment” then come back here and tell me ilang pages ang hits.

        One of the more interesting articles, you will find, pati ivory smuggling pinatulan na.

        I mean really Ricky? Seriously? You take morality lessons from sex offenders?

      • GKLer

        And now you are a self-righteous braggart too?  Your talents are just…just… !@#@!

  • Stephen Christian Sy

    Kung nagkaroon ng divorce sa Philippines.. ang mangyayari.. ang mga guys magpapakasal sa girls for sex only then pag sawa na.. divorce nalang tapos hanap uli ng mapapangasawa. That is why I am against it because I respect women. Women wont even benefit from it after bec. of prenuptual agreement

    • Don Dee

      This is probably the dumbest interpretation of divorce. Sa mga ibang bansa (where divorce laws are available), ganito ba ang marriage? After magsawa sa sex ini-iwan na ang asawa? Wow… Ang galeng galeng. Alam mo bang pwedeng mag sex kahit walang marriage? Why go through the trouble of marrying to have sex then divorce? I’m sorry, but it is very hard for me to fully dissect the stupidity of this post. 

      • GKLer

        Yup…it take a dummy to know dumb

    • mark sahaoman

      this is pure stupidity. yan ang turo ng mga pari. some of the priests spread the craziness nowadays instead of God’s message. 

    • tabingbakod

      LOL, sarcasm they say is hard to read from words alone but this sounds so sarcastic to me.

      Anouncement to the world Mr Sy respects women.

    • reddfrog

      Why do you need marriage for sex? Hassle naman.

      • frudo

        ang labo nya eh babaw

    • DamayDamayLang

       Your “sex” hobby is too expensive. I will not dwell on that, even divorce is legal.

    • Observer_din

      bakit pre, ganyan ba philisophy mo sa buhay? you marry a girl just for sex? We respect women too, pero di namin inisip na pakasalan ang babae dahil sa sex lang, pwede namang walang kasal at puro sex lang.. hehehe

    • frudo

      hindi kasalanan ng divorce law yun kasalanan ng tao yun, kahit wlang divorce lawm ginagawa  na tlga ng marming Pinoy yun ang magpakasal at iwanan ang asawa kaya daming illegitimate childen uso na yan sa Pinas 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Y3UUNJ2CF6SZB34PWNLZZ6MWCI Mark Lamsen

    I am pro-RH Bill, but I am against divorce. God even stated clearly in the Bible, “I hate divorce”.

    • Don Dee

      Well my God said that divorce is okay. So what now? Holy war na lang? Ubusan na lang tayo? Matira matibay?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Who is your god?

      • Don Dee

        Does it matter? The question was rhetorical. I just wanted to demonstrate that you can not play the “because God says so ” card in a secular government. Kung ganun kasi, pagalingan na lang tayo ng “god” at ubusan ng lahi (like what’s happening in the middle east). DO NOT MAKE THAT ARGUMENT unless you are ready to murder all the children of your enemies. Because eventually, it will come to that.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        You are contradicting yourself.

      • Don Dee

        No. Let me clarify my point. The Philippines is under a secular government. Like it or not, even non-Catholics are citizens of this republic. Now if the Catholics insist on imposing their religion on the rest of us, prepare yourself for a holy war. Either you murder all your enemy’s children or your enemy will murder all your children. This is happening now in the middle east. Dahil hindi magkasundo kung sinong God ang magaling. Now unless you are prepared for this scenario, never use the “God says so” argument.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Jesus Christ clearly says: What God has joined together, let no man put asunder.

        Now tell me who is the God of yours that permits divorce. I’m just curious.

      • Don Dee

        It does not matter. I can tell you that I worship Ra, and he allows me to divorce for as long as I do it at night or make up some other bullshit. Because that is all that is to it, “God says so” is BS if I don’t believe in your God. And I am telling you I am NOT Catholic.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Is that the teaching of your god? The way you talk and apathetic to other people’s belief? Your god is so unique.

      • Don Dee

        How dare you talk about my God that way? Now I have to murder you and all your children!

        See what happens when you argue who has the better god?

        IF you still do not get what I am trying say here, I suggest you spend a summer in Israel somewhere close to the Gaza strip.

      • frudo

        di nila makuha ang point mo kasi sarado utak nila.. ipipilit nila ang gusto nila kasi nasanay na sila sa ganun sistema ang pagiging siga mapang alipin at walang paki alam sa paniniwala ng iba pra sa kanila sila lang ang tama nakung pagaarala naman ang Bible karamihan sa turo nila hindi Biblical,

      • GKLer

        Ra?  the same god that was beaten/defeated in Egypt?

      • Don Dee

        RA as in the metaphor for anything else other than your God. I am sorry but I can not translate that to grade 3 level, that is as simple as I can explain it.

      • GKLer

        So you don’t know your god Ra is from Egypt then?  They do teach that in grade 3.

      • GKLer

        WOW…and now you claim God talks to you?  you are a piece of work aren’t ya?

    • mark sahaoman

      you hate divorce? how about pre marital sex? in favor ka! di ba dapat pakasal muna bago sex (be responsible) then later mag divorce kung hindi maayos. kaysa mag live-in kasi ayaw magpakasal. 

    • DamayDamayLang

       Tell that to wives who are being abused day and night…
      … or to a husbands who were forced to marry a lesbian…

      … or maybe to yourself later, if you will be unlucky to be cheated by your wife (I pray this will not happen to you)…

      Priest don’t care about it… they will not going to marry, anyway…

  • GKLer

    Instead of [destructive] divorce, why not a bill in [constructive] building a stronger marriage/family?

    • Don Dee

      Sige nga, amaze me, do try to construct a framework or law wherein you can legislate good behaviour. Do it, without sounding too … errr … Taliban-ish.

      • Observer_din

        di makasagot pre, hinahalungkat pa lahat ng library at nagri-research pa. Malamang bigla lang pumasok sa isip nya yan.. hahahaha

      • GKLer

        so what?  I don’t see you people providing solutions.  

      • Don Dee

        Ah but we are proposing DIVORCE as a legal remedy for two people in a marriage who want to separate to settle their legal and financial obligations to each other.

      • GKLer

        what you are proposing is illegal under the current laws of the philippines.  in effect, you are proposing something illegal.

      • Don Dee

        Proposing amendments, new laws, etc. is illegal?! lol! You my friend have a very serious problem. Take a laxative, and if symptoms persist, consult a doctor.

      • GKLer

        you have comprehension problems too?  man you are pathetic.  

      • Don Dee

        Hindi gumana yung medication? Consult a doctor ka na tol.

      • Observer_din

        divorce is a legal remedy for spouses who cant take each other anymore. And what do you suggest to that kind of situation? stay together and pretend happy?for the sake of church? Divorce will be offered for those  takers, if you dont want it no one’s forcing you to do it.

      • GKLer

        stupido.  not my job to legislate nor to “amaze” you.   that’s the job of the moronic congressmen you morons voted into office.

      • Don Dee

        Haha. I thought you were proposing something. Yun naman pala, wala. , Etchas lang pala. Sorry ha? Akala ko talaga meron kang brilliant idea na “constructive” at hindi “destructive”. Pa utot lang pala yun.

      • GKLer

        moron.  the legal framework already exists.  its called the family code of the philippines.

      • Don Dee

        IF it already exists why are you proposing it again? Well… at least you have entertained us. lol.

      • GKLer

        so now you are ignorant as well as a moron?  

      • Don Dee

        NO, your original post implied you are proposing something new. Yun pala etchas lang. May pa constructive constructive bullshit ka pa. You are pathetic.

      • GKLer

        Don Dee, is that short for Dum Dum?  

        The problem with morons like you, is what if I did propose something?  what’s it to YOU?  ha?  

        I bet you are a K+10 product, the thinking level just isn’t there.

      • barry p

        You talked about ‘constructive’ things BUT…

        …But you seem to have no problems dishing out demeaning words to your fellow human beings here.

        Reading your discussions, no one called you names….but you called them names…

        Ano pong klaseng ‘constructive’ yan?

      • GKLer

        you must like the sound of your voice don’t you?  

    • reddfrog

       hahahaha! I want to know the details. Please do entertain us.

      • GKLer

        stupido, not my job to entertain you. do that to yourself.

        1. seminar
        2. couples counselling
        3. funding from government which is bound by law to uphold the family unit.

        I bet you didn’t know the 3rd one at all.

        I’d like to see you provide solutions.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         I’ve been through all of it and still got a divorce.  My ex is happier and so am I.

      • GKLer

        and the kids? are they happier too? easy to say “I” am happier. if all we think about is ourselves.

      • frudo

        ok yan sinasabi mo kung lahat ng tao kagaya ng pagiisip mo kaso ang realidad hindi bago nga ikasal ang mag asawa may seminar, councelling na pinagaaralan, pero may mga sumasablay parin kaya nga divorce is a choice hindi sapilitan kung maaayos pa ang kasal bakit hindi last resort naman na ang divorce kung tlgang di kaya pa magsama  

      • frudo

        sorry mali ng post

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D37WZ2JMEQUZR4QG74FRVXUJFQ John

    Di na kailangan divorce.. Death penalty nalang to violent partner.. Its the same thing. after due process of course.

    • frudo

      sige unahin ka isalang para sample 

  • wofie

    etong mga pari dko maintindihan kung anu ang basehan sa pagkontra sa divorse at may alam ba o wala sa bible at turo ng Diyos o baka meron sila ibang kristo at ibang bible.
    totoong bawal sa Diyos maghiwalay ang mag asawa kung bible ang pag uusapan pero pinapayagan ng Diyos ang diborsyo kung talagang kinakailangan.

    1 Corinthians 7:10 – And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:

    Matthew Chapter 531 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

    alam kasi ng mga eto one way lang ang bible katulad ng one way na kalsada. di naman bobo ang Diyos para di nya maisip gumawa ng two way na kalsada.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ABEPTOVR322UT6ZQDDVUZ3AUHI Ricky

      did you study the bible?

      • wofie

        not really, i am just curious what the bible tells us about any relevant and current events we currently have and so i ask some silly question to the bible and got myself profound answers. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         The Bible doesn’t tell us a thing about relevant and current events.  It’s over 2000 years old!

      • wofie

        really? does respecting your mother,father, and neighbors which is written over 2000 years ago not relevant today?

      • http://twitter.com/WestKeighley Keighley Guevara

        A note from animals (Who can’t and probably will NEVER read your bible) Gorillas give birth and their offspring are taken care of by the parents and the same offspring respect their progenitors. Where did your bible morals come in?

      • GKLer

        Show us undeniable proof of intent behind the gorilla’s action.  I emphasize the word “intent”.  Otherwise, it’s just a gorilla’s instinct, nothing more.

      • frudo

        ayan na nga naka sulat ano pa nga pagkakaintindi mo jan linaw nman,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    Silent Suffering

    The reality is, even with the lack of divorce in our country, some couples do separate. It is an unfortunate reality of life that we must accept. Should two people be doomed to a lifetime of unhappiness because of a failed marriage?

    I just think, that marriage is a “social contract” and not entirely a religious commitment. Therefore if a couple’s religious beliefs do not hinder them from seeking divorce, then the state should not insist that they be married.

    In such cases as domestic abuse or infidelity, we can not truly insist that a victim stay married with the victimizer.

    Alas, that is what is happening in our society now. People who have absolutely no chance of reconciliation; wives who left their abusive husbands; couples who have been separated decades ago; still bound by an archaic law.

    We, through our inaction and indifference, have sentenced these people to a lifetime of silent suffering.
     
    reposted

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       There is a way out of it.  Go abroad and get a divorce and just ignore the Catholic dominated government.

      • GKLer

        I don’t think that will be recognized locally.

  • 12JEM

    Let us irk them some more. Until they are no longer capable of being irked.

    • DamayDamayLang

       …they are just like empty can…
      “maingay pag walang laman…”

  • wofie

    i would propose a 5 year renewable marriage contract. ang conditions ng renewal at non-renewal ay katulad din ng divorce para kumita din ang mga kawatan sa government sa mga di mag renew ng contract. 
    dapat free of charge ang mag renew.

    • DamayDamayLang

       ..Not a good idea. I don’t want to have another “LTO Like” scenario in my life…

      • wofie

        yun lang pero pwde gawaan ng paraan like every barangay dapat meron agency para sa renewal ng marriage license. potek sa LTO gagawin ka nila litolito eh.

  • Observer_din

    sigurado, magti titili na naman mga BISHOPS nyan.. hehehe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

    Jesus Christ instituted marriage and divorce is not part of it.

    • Don Dee

      And if I don’t believe in Jesus? Hindi naman theocracy ang Pinas. Stop imposing your Talibanish rule on the rest of us.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Do you think you can do what you are doing now if indeed we are in a theocracy and a Talibanish regime?

      • Don Dee

        My point exactly! We are SECULAR. Finally you get it. We are FREE. Hindi ko kailangan makinig sa mga pari! So please stop imposing on us your religion. Make a secular argument for or against divorce, hindi “God says so”.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        When Christians says that what we believe is the will of God and “God has said so” in The Holy Bible, does it make you insecure? Why? Why have you said the church is imposing, do you know of someone penalized by the church of disobeying its teachings? There’s only one person I know that is so angry with God even all the perfections attributed to Him, Satan.

      • Don Dee

        No not at all. I really don’t care if you would let your children be baby sitted by priests without other adult supervision. What I am saying, you STAY OUT OF MY PERSONAL BUSINESS. Why would you not let the divorce option be available to me? How does my divorce (if ever I want one) threaten the sanctity of your marriage? You believe in you God. Congratulations. I am really happy for you. Now get out of my porch (so to speak).

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        The Catholic Church is defending its millions of faithful, not you.

      • Don Dee

        Then impose NO DIVORCE on all marriages performed in a catholic ceremony. Wag nang pakialaman ang marriages sa huwes o ibang relihiyon. I can live with that.

        BTW, I’ve once told an over eager Jehovas witness that I am Lucifer just to end the discussion and get them out of my house. So don’t worry about it. No offense taken if you were implying I was the spawn of Satan. Oks lang, Basta wag lang anak ng pari! lol.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Its the other way around. This immoral law will be imposed to the Catholic faithful when it becomes a law.

      • Don Dee

        NO. Divorce is an option. Not MANDATORY! Hindi kailangan mag divorce ang ayaw mag divorce.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Once it is passed, it is a law not an option. Hindi pwede tawagin yan na ‘Divorce Option’ kundi ‘Divorce Law’.

      • frudo

        nakikipag talo ka sa pari bro eh hirap paliwanagan mga yan kasi nga mga siga nga gusto nila yung sa kanila nasusunod kasi paniniwala nila sila lang ang tama at ang iba na hindi naniniwala sa kanila evil na, kaya ganun.  nasanay kasi sa pangaalipin sa mga Pinoy: kla nila lahat ng  Pinoy katoliko na dapat sila paniwalaan

      • Don Dee

        Replying here since I can no longer reply on the last reply. OPTION as in you DO NOT HAVE TO AVAIL OF DIVORCE if you do not want to get a divorce. You are now just be facetious. I expected more from you. You are by far the most intelligent and open minded of the anti divorce people. So don’t do that. Look I have no problems with Catholics imposing Catholic doctrine on other Catholics, that is your business. Ayaw nyo ng divorce, DO NOT GET ONE. Don’t get divorced. Go as far as banning divorce on all marriages conducted in Catholic rites. That is YOUR BUSINESS. Now, if you could all please do me the same favor and just stay out of mine.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Let’s have an analogy. You live in a neighborhood and you want it peaceful not prone to any violence. Of course you want a gunless neighborhood. What would you do if the officials of the community you live permits gun to its residents including the teens. Will your principle here still applies? You don’t want gun, but your neighbor want it. Does it matter?

      • Don Dee

        Replying here again. SEE, better argument. You don’t need to be facetious to make a point. Unfortunately, I am now sleepy and would rather continue this some other time. Hey, it was nice discussing with you. At least some intelligent life form on that other side of the fence. Haha.

      • GKLer

        LOL you are pathetic.

        If you want DIVORCE available to you, then YOU GO GET married outside of the Philippines. 

        Quit bothering the rest of us with YOUR DIVORCE NEEDS.

        That’s the problem with you morons, all talk, no solutions.  That’s why the country is neck deep in problems.

      • Don Dee

        So you want the divorce option available only to people who can afford to travel abroad? Hmm interesting proposal. Constructive argument na naman. lol!

      • GKLer

        YOU want divorce YOU go get married outside of the Philippines.  Which part did YOU not understand? 

        Who are YOU to speak for anyone else?  Are YOU their elected representative?

        YOU really have reading comprehension problems. just one more idiot in this forum.

      • Don Dee

        At bakit hindi available ulet sa Pinas? Dahil sa minority rule ng Catholic church? Tapos na ang panahon ng mga Damaso. Wake up and smell the coffee.

      • GKLer

        From what rock did you come from?  Catholics makeup 80-90% of the country.  Since when did that become the minority?

      • frudo

        eh paano nga yan Biblical ang divorce,  kung sinabi lang sa Bible na walang divorce kaslanan ito di wag isa batas, so ano nga ba problema syo kung maisabatas to? ikaw ba ang makikipag divorce ikaw ba haharap sa Dios para sa mga tao na nakipag divorce, choice nga yan at dahil nga magkakaiba tyo ng paniniwala na nakatira tayo sa iisang bansa, ipapagkakait mo ba yan choice na yan sa ibang tao na hindi mo kagaya ng pananaw?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        You’re out of context. Jesus quoted the Mosaic Law and he re-defined it by saying to the Jews; “Moses wrote it because of your hardheadedness”. .and Jesus continued; “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”

      • frudo

        paano nga magiging out of context pinayagan nga ni Lord Jesus Christ sa Matthew 19 v 9  ano ang out of context jan baka ikaw ang kailangan maliwanagan, bakit mo nga ipiplit ang paniniwala mo, iisa ba tayo ng paniniwala  ha? Katoliko lang ba ang mga tao sa Pinas?  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Let’s have an analogy. You live in a neighborhood and you want it peaceful and not prone to any violence. Of course you want a gunless neighborhood. What would you do if the officials of the community you
        live permits gun to its residents including the teens. Will your principle here still applies? You don’t want gun, but your neighbor want
        it. Does it matter?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

         The reason we have the RH bill is because we are secular and that’s the reason we can have divorce.
        What do you want?  More and more people having second and third wives, living in effective polygamy?
        Stop listening to those out of touch clerics who bow to Rome.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Legalizing a crime is never a solution.

      • frudo

        hindi crime yun kayo lang nagsabi sarado utak nyo eh

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        It’s an analogy. Hindi sarado ang utak ko. Ang utak mo ang dapat maliwanagan.
         

      • GKLer

        Divorce under the Mosaic Law is allowed.
        Does that make it a crime?

      • simondj

        alam mo po ang batas dapat applicable sa lahat, do not steal, do give false testimony, ay applicable po sa lahat iyan. ibig mo palang sabihin gusto mo divoce para maayos ang buhay noong may 2nd third and 4th wife?

      • frudo

        almost ganun kaya nga now lang naisabatas ang rhbill eh tagal na kaya yan, tapos kaya wala rin divorce law dito sa Pinas dahil sa pakikialam nyo pananakot nyo  pagbabanta nyo   aminin  totoo nman 

      • boypalabobo

        dapat sayo tumahimik na, ini-impose mo ang diborsyo samin dito.  bawal and diborsyo sa pilipinas

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

       If you’re reading your Bible and not listening to some numb-brained priest, you’ll know that Jesus was never married and is therefore not qualified to talk about it.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Ibig mo bang sabihin na ang mga psychiatrist ay hindi qualified mag therapy ng mga pschotic dahil hindi sila nka experience na naging psychotic? Ganoon ba?

      • GKLer

        The firstborn of all creation is clearly qualified to do/talk about anything.

      • Baruk1

        The marriage of the Lamb (always refer to Jesus Christ especially if it is in capital letter) is written in Revelation to John.
         
        “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” (Rev 19:7)
         
        Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” (Rev 19:9).
         
        Everything was made through Jesus Christ. What more qualification do we need?
         
        In the beginning was the Word (logos, spokesman, Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was in the beginning with God.  All things were made through Him (Jesus Christ), and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:1-3)
         

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Parang may naaamoy ako. Bagong account, lumang style.

      • Baruk1

        Hindi naman. Dati pa ring account.
         
        After almost 4,000 yrs when God is dealing with God’s people Jesus Christ need to come to straightened up their practices. Jesus Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The original Apostolic Christians preached the same Gospel. After about 2000 yrs. most of the main Christians of today are preaching different gospel.
         
        All written above are already in the Book (Bible, the mind of God in writing).  As most of us can agree that Satan the Devil is continue on deceiving the world because he knew his time is counted.
         

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Nka 30 comments ka pa lang pero ang istilo ng pagsasalita matagal ko nang na kabisado.

        Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?

      • Baruk1

        What make you think of the possibility that I don’t believe Jesus Christ is God after checking all my 30 comments? It is good, ngayon na kabisado mo na ang istilo ng pagsasalita we are on the same wavelength.

        I believed in all the comments I wrote and also I believed that the Bible is the mind of God in writing.
         
        As written above, John 1:1 — Jesus Christ is God, He is with the Father from the beginning and everything was made through Him.
         
        He came to earth around 2,000 yrs ago to preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God (Mark 1:38; Luke 4:43). Apostolic Christians preached this Gospel. Today, prophesying Christians MUST continue preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as well.
         
        The marriage of the Lamb in Rev 19:7&9. Lamb (Jesus Christ), marriage to the woman (church, Eklesia, group of people, the Saints with Jesus Christ).
         

      • boypalabobo

        Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

      • Baruk1

        YES Jesus Christ is the son of God. and He is in the beginning with God. Everything was made through Him (John 1:1-5)
         
        — No one have seen or heard the Father.
         
        “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.”(John 1:18)
         
        “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.” (John 6:46)
         
        “And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form”. (John 5:37)
         
        — The God of the Bible who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses is Jesus Christ.
         
        — Jesus Christ of the Bible doesn’t have long hair.
         
        “Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?” (1 Cor 11:14)”
         
        — The Bible warns of false prophets who will teach a false message.
         
        “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect”. (Matt 24:24)
         
        — Jesus Christ was not born on Dec 25
         
        WILL YOU BE ONE OF THOSE WHO WILL BE DECEIVED?

      • simondj

        ang sinomang nakipagisa kay Kristo, siya ay isang bagong nilalang, ang luma ay lumipas, behold all things is new..

    • wofie

      obviously it is rather ignorance about Jesus Christ teachings:

      Matthew Chapter 5
      31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

      1 Corinthians 7:10 – And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         You’re out of context. Jesus quoted the Mosaic Law and he re-defined it by saying to the Jews; “Moses wrote it because of your hardheadedness”. . and Jesus continued; “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”

      • wofie

        i agree with you but at the end JC still allowed divorce of married couples because of the hardheadedness of the people.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Jesus never in His entire ministry have fickle.

      • wofie

        Jesus gave us two way road not a one way road. best example is yung sinabi nya na kapag sinampal ka sa kaliwang pisngi ibigay mu din ang kanang pisngi mu. pero nung sinampal sya ng isang sundalong romano nung hinuli na sya, di nya ibinigay ang kabilang pisngi nya bagkus tinanung nya ang sumampal sa kanya kung bakit sya sinampal gayung wala naman syang krimen ginawa.
        tyaga ka lang hanapin sa bible makikita mu yan example na yan. hindi one way mag isip ang Diyos dahil hindi sya bobo katulad ng mga pari at pastor.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Hindi literal ang iterpretasyon sa pagpa sampal sa kabilang pisngi. Ang mensahe ay PATIENCE at pinapatunayan ni Jesus yan hanggang sa kamatayan sa krus.

      • wofie

        actually very literal yun brod di na kelangan ng interpretasyon kasi mismong nangyari sa kanya eh.

      • GKLer

        The RCC cherry picks on which scriptures and commands from God it wishes to follow…that much is obvious.

      • wofie

        sakto brod at lahat ng mga sekta pinipili lng nila ang sinasabi sa tao na pabor sa sekta nila para mas marami member marami din kita.

      • frudo

        malinaw na nga na Biblical ang divorce, ano kaya kinatatakot nila eh kahit may divorce law di nman ako magpapadivorce eh kasi lam  ko stand ko, 

      • frudo

        sakto pag kontra na sa kanila ang sinasabi ng Bible sasabihin iba iterpretasyon at yung interpretasyon nila ang tama ano kaya yun

      • boypalabobo

        ano po ang fickle?  yan po ba nakakain?

      • frudo

        matthew chapter 19 v 9 and i say unto you whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery,    hayan o biblical ang divorce so ano problema kung magkaroon man ng divorce sa pinas,  ano ba kinakatakot nyo mga pari at bishop nagkukulang ba kayo sa pangangaral nyo at nararmdaman nyo na marami sa mga miyermbro nyo ang magpapadivorce once na maisabatas ito?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         The Catholic Church is defending its millions of faithful, not you.

      • frudo

        defending no pakikialam at pagiging siga yes

      • GKLer

        I don’t think Jesus re-defined/nor changed the Law of Moses, he even said he wasn’t changing the law, but fulfilling it.

        I think the better term is “divorce is tolerated” because people insisted on it – just like the time they insisted on having a King (Saul) over them (instead of God).

        Bottom line divorce is allowed under the Law of Moses, but clearly that wasn’t what God wanted or intended to happen.  That’s why the bible will tell you, its even better not to get married, because of all the difficulties in married life.

      • wofie

        you nailed it spot on.

      • 444mangyan888

        At what point does GOD join a couple as husband and wife..?? After being under the rites and rituals.?

      • wofie

        ang sagot sa tanong mu nakasulat din sa bible magtiyaga ka lang hanapin makikita mu sya. 
        diko kabisado ang bible nagtatanong lang din aku at nakikita ku naman kasagutan sa tanong ku. 

      • boypalabobo

        pagkatapos ng accepted marriage tradition sa cultura. 

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    you don’t need divorce bill to divorce.
    divorce is not something should be promoted at national level.
    our parents should be our example to reject divorce.

    • boypalabobo

      tama.  dapat i-promote ang positive values ng pamilya.  hindi diborsyo ang sagot

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         you got it.

      • frudo

        sa mga kagaya nyo ang kaisipan at paniniwala di problema ang divorce law kasi okey ang pananaw nyo, paano nga yung ibang tao na di na tlga kaya pang  magsama,   ano ba kayo di nman lahat ng tao iisa paniniwala at pananaw, bkit di bigyan ng laya mamili ang mga tao kung applicable sa kanila. di nman sapilitan ang divorce law choice ito

      • frudo

        yes to divorce law para nman sa mga taong desperatdo ang buhay dhil sa mga asawa nilang iniwan sila at di na binalikan  at sinuportahan,, at di nila mapawalang bisa ang kasal nila dahil wala sila pera para sa annulment,,, kaya titis nalang sila habang buhay, bubuhayin nila mag isa ang mga anak nila na iniwan ng kanilang asawa na hindi man lang sinuportahan financial,, 

  • frkim

    We already have annulment, why not amend the grounds for annulment? Why should we adopt divorce, just to show the whole world that we are also in? This is the problem of pinoy mentality always copying what other countries are doing. Remember we have different culture or traditions, and we are taught to always value the sanctity of marriage. We pray hard in times of trouble or difficulties or any calamities that many times battered our country, yet we are defying what God wanted us? Not all things that other countries are doing could be good to us. With this divorce, it something like encouraging husbands or wives to seek another partner if they got weary or get enough with their partner. And what good does it brings to the children? It will just end up a broken family. Are we proud having a broken family? 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZNY7QZZDDBH4EBGB5ZS4IOUATE mave

      mapera ka naman kasi kayang kaya mo annulment, how about ung wlang ka pera pera?

      • disqus_ZrxaGjUzMQ

        some filipinos have selfish thinking or some filipinos who dont know how many people got no money for annulment or some filipinos who just dont have any clue but to themselves

      • boypalabobo

        kailangan pa rin ng pera pag nag diborse..

      • frudo

        maaring di kasing mahal   kung ayaw nyo ng divorce palagan nyo rin ang annulment para patas  

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    half of the reasons for the divorce in the bill can be avoided before marriage.
    another half are purely abuse of marriage, excuses for infidelity.

    greedy, fantasy, extreme sexuality are pleasures but not happiness.

    • frudo

      so bkit nga annulment meron? di mo mapalagan? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G2UFL7BAIFFUU6TIW4FFAPTVV4 Ghost

    Divorce is an option. If you have a strong marriage then dont be bothered by it. If you are enduring and suffering from a failed marriage, well, at least you would not be facing a dead end.
     
    Dont be bothered by the Roman Catholic church. It’s a medieval organization trying to stick its neck out and trying to throw its weight around in today’s world. Oh by the way, the real Romans (people of Rome, of course) have a divorce law.
     
    .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    The conduct of the Catholic church in the Philippines is the reason I am no longer a Roman Catholic.
    Today, I pray directly to God, no man-made intermediaries like the BVM or JC or the pope.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    marriage is civilization.
    even chicken have homes.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    it is all about sex, RH and divorce bills.
    the name is freedom of sex.

    have an earlier sex;
    have a  none productive sex;
    have an extra sex.

    • boypalabobo

      bachelor kasi si penoy

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    PH has lost her virginity.

    • frudo

      tagal na now mo lang nalaman

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

      Why do you hate the Philippines?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         what ?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        Why do you hate the Filipino people?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         where do you have that idea ?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H4PIIBVQK4BSXMIKFRWWAAQAUY Heartrob ng Pugad Baboy

        You got to stop badmouthing our country and our people.

    • wofie

      now ka lang ba natuto magbasa at sumulat?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         be specific .

    • frudo

      matagal na di virgin ang Pinas bakit di mo alam, dami ng Pinoy na hiwalay sa asawa, nakakaroon ng live partner at anak na illigitemate, ano ba problema sayo kung may divorce law ang PInas, choice nman yun ng tao di yun sapilitan? ano kinatatakot nyo?

  • 444mangyan888

    If the proposed divorce law is only for the purpose of instituting legal structures to allow irreparable marriages for another shot, then, something must be amiss in its moral basis. Couples naturally break their family lives because of their irreconcilable differences, but it should not mean that they can remarry again. Each should remain single all their lives. Beyond that maybe devilish. Well, at least, that’s what the bible says. It’s ADULTERY..!!!
    Pero ito yatang si Pia cayetano saka si Ilagan eh merong mga broken marriages eh. If that is so, then why should we even bother to listen to them..???

  • 444mangyan888

    OR what about a divorce law that will not allow remarriage..??
    Couples can separate or live separate lives but they will remain the only legitimate parents of their kids.
    Let’s see what do they say to that…

    • frudo

      nasa tao na yan kung magpkasal ba sya ulit so what ano problema syo dun ikaw ba magiging guilty  hindi so bakit mo pakikialaman ang business ng iba,, ang point dito ganito nalang wala kayo sa kalagayan ng ibang tao, hindi nyo kapareho ng paniniwala at katwiran ang ibang tao,, ang divorce law ay choice  kung magpa divorce man ang kapitbahay mo so what? ang punto dito ay ang divorce law ay para sa lahat ano man ang relihiiyon mo or paniniwala,,, itiigil na natin yun pagiging alipin tyo ng isang relihiyon  malayang bansa tayo demokrasya

  • boypalabobo

    I think DivorcE is in other countries, but inda Pilipines, if you want DivorcE, why do you  bother to get married ba in the purse place?

    • GKLer

      wwwahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • 444mangyan888

  • 444mangyan888

  • Allan_Ongpin

    Make physical abuse within marriage be punishable by death penalty nang maiwasan ang divorce. Mga bata ang biktima ng divorce, di ang nanay or tatay!

  • GKLer

    -

  • 444mangyan888

    your comment is uncalled for. Stick tot he issues and be objective.
    I am with u here ha..cheers….!!!

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    Is it you I keep thinking of?
    Should I feel like I do?
    I’ve come to know that I miss your love
    While I’m not missing you

    All my life I’ve been waiting for
     In this perfume of pain
    To forget when I needed more
    Of love’s endless refrain

    We live and we pray
    Why do you have to separate
    If you are not in love
    Why do you have me in breed ?

    • boypalabobo

      in breed?

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         yes, anything wrong ?

      • boypalabobo

        sounds like inbreeding.

      • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

         true.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

      To be fare mga kabayan Pare, madre, pastor o menistro all of them are human beings lahat sila nagkakasala lahat sila may pangngagailangan why are we so generalize about this church people. Sino ba sa atin ang malinis I’ll bet wala but we have to repent to be save when our lord arrive yun eh kung kayo ay naniniwala whether u r Catholic or Protestant or even Islam. Everyone have their own opinion but does it good for every human being ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT WEALTH AND POWER AND SADLY WE ARE BEING USED.

  • boypalabobo

    ….

  • boypalabobo

    ikaw lang ang cercular dito….bilog na bilog ang ulo mo masyado.

  • boypalabobo

    ikaw pala ang mahilig mag-impose dito eh…  tumahimik ka na lang.  kung gusto mo ng diborsyo, magpasakal ka sa amerika

  • boypalabobo

    legal pa rin ang kasal nila sa pilipinas

  • boypalabobo

    pag majority na ang non-catholics sa pinas, dun kayo humirit.  walang pakialam kami sa minority report.

    • frudo

      ganun kailangan pa namin dumami pala bago kami makahirit ng divorce parang unfair yata diba porke ba dahil sa marami kayo di kayo papayag maisabatas ang divorce dahil sa paniniwala ninyo na hindi to tama, paano nga ang mga hindi naniniwala di ba dapat ang batas ng Pinas para sa lahat hindi lang para sa gusto ng isang relihiiyon? sana nga mapagusapan na ito at mapagbotohan na 

      • boypalabobo

        ganun talaga, walang paki sa minority ang majority.

      • frudo

        ok di paano yan pag nagkapalit ng situasyon yung pro divorce( buinubuo sila ng non catholics at catholics na favor sa divorce law) na ang majority wala sanang samaan ng loob pag ito ay naipasa,  

  • boypalabobo

    ang framework meron na.  basahin mo ng mabuti ang EO209

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    NAMAMAYAGPAG TALAGA NA NGAUN ANG MGA BORN AGAIN…

    AT ITO NAMAN MGA KATOLIKO, OK LANG NA MAIMPLUWENSIYAHAN SILA NITONG MGA BORN AGAIN….

    NO TO BELMONTE BORN AGAIN

    NO TO CAYETANO BORN AGAIN…

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

       your picture isn’t  you, is it ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/ramon.seeker Ramon Seeker

      belmonte born again? true?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        parehas na ni pacquio

    • frudo

      puso mo relax ka lang masisira beauty mo nyan,  palitan nalang ng mga opinon wag na mag siraan.. lahat nman tyo makasalanan 

  • where_I_stand

    All these years after Edsa 1 in 1986, even before that, the hierarchy of the Church knew that education of the people is the key component of mass organization and mobilization. The RH Bill alone was more than a decade in Congress, and the bishops failed to educate the laity. This is not because there were no education activities initiated by the bishops. The problem was the bishops did not educate the laity: banking education is not education at all.It is time for the bishops to lessen their talking and increase listening. Education is a two-way process. The bishops can never educate the people by simply telling them what to do and not what to do.

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

       I still don’t know where do you stand ?

      • boypalabobo

        I think he was standing on Edsa :D

        peace….

  • wilfel

    Its about time to have divorce in the Philippines. The priest do give a damm about it cause they have the annulment in the first place. In annulment the church make a lot of money while in divorce they get nothing. So they are against divorce because they don’t make anything.

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

       the value is not in money, it is in moral.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        naks they king dome come sagaot mo para kang si tito sotto

      • frudo

        so tangalin nyo rin ang annulment para patas di na kami papabor sa divorce basta walang annulment   ok ba yun sa inyo?

    • frudo

      at saka sana mag asawa muna ang mga pari at mga bishop para maranasan nila kung ano ba tlga ang realidad  ng buhay mag asawa

  • boypalabobo

    According to divorce magazine statistics:  Children whose parents were divorced are 90% likely to get divorced if their parents remarried.
    Divorce will destroy the family culture of the Philippines.  It will cascade to all sectors.

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

      marriage separates human from animal. if we can’t hold that value, what can we hold ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        VALUES KAPA NALALAMAN PAG SOBRA NA DAMI NG ANAK MO MAG NANAKAW KA NA PAG NAG KASAKIT SILA MAWAWALA ANG VALUES”MO TINGNAN MO SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO PUNO CCTVS VIDEO NINANAKAWAN NA SILA PATI NGA KAMPANA DI PINATAWAD NG KAWATAN”

    • frudo

      matagal na destroy ang family culture natin sige mag survey ka dami na nagsasama ng walang kasal, dami na hiwalay sa asawa,  dami na may kabit, dami na illigetimate children, ano pa ba moral meron tayo 

      • boypalabobo

        ang sagot dyan, patibayin ang moralidad ng pamilya at mga tao.  nasa biblia ang lesson plan, kaya lang kahit pari, hindi alam kung ano ang laman ng biblia nila.

      • frudo

        uu tama ka, patibayin ang moral ng pamilya, kaya nga sabi ko nga kahit ano pang batas ang ipasa ng Gobyerno kung matibay ang moral ng pamilyang Pinoy, walang mag aavail ng divorce law, pero yung batas nandyan lang para sa lahat ng Pinoy ano man ang relihiyon nya or paniniwala

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    a nation lost identity, culture, value and virtue is a nation of impotent. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      NAKS HANEP SA ENLISH DUMUGO ILONG KO GALIT KA HUMINA KITA NI BISHOPS!!

    • acidicboy

       have you visited your doctor regarding your impotence? may gamot diyan.

  • cute79

    YES TO RH BILL
    YES TO SIN TAX BILL
    YES TO DIVORCE
    YES TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE
    NO TO ABORTION

    • cute79

      di kslanan ng mga bakla at tomboy nging ganyan sila.alam nman natin ang dahilan kung bakit sila naging ganyan.kaya sana bigyan sila ng krpatan na lumigaya at walang discriminasyon

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        TAMA KA JAN JOKLA TALAGA MAY PINANGANAK NA JOKLA KAYA DAPAT NATIN TANGAPIN SILA TOMBOY TANGAPIN NATIN SILA PILIPINO SILA MAY KARAPATAN HINDI DAPAT GANUN BISHOPS”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

         Cute79 its not discrimination hindi dyos ang gumawa ng Bakla at Tibo the lord created only two Male and Female, its devils way na in accept ng tao this is another devils work to divide, confuse and its a creation according to devils way. its true na mahirap i accept eto its a long discussion but believe or not for people I know na nagbago 5 of them are catholic 10 protestant and born again and 3 INC they are happily married to the right partners (Male-Female partner) and accept that this Male-Male Female-Female marriage is WRONG scientifically or Religiously.

      • 444mangyan888

        We can actually take pride in our society. kahit mahirap tayu at maraming corrupt..!!!
        Habang  nagdedebate ang mundo about GBLT napakadaling tanggapin ng ating lipunan sila..malamang dahil sa ating apgiging relihiyoso at makaDIYOS.
        Tibos and Badings are well accepted by society and the churches in pinas. You can remain tibo or bading with pride amidst pinoy culture.
        It is their preference and what they do sexually that is repugnant to society..!!

    • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

       hypocrite cute, same sex ? you don’t need abortion for that !

      • Guest

         He said man, no to abortion!?

    • simondj

      SAME SEX MARRIAGE,,, YOU ARE DEFYING THE LAW OF NATURE.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

         Same Sex marriage is totally disgusting spada sa spada at butas sa butas u are correct simondj DEFYING THE LAW OF NATURE and this is stupidity, but well naawa ako sa mga taong eto kasi alam nila mali eto but human in nature na kung minsan ang mali ay nagiging tama kung may sumusuporta.

      • Guest

         Would you be disgusted at PH if through a possible referendum, same-sex marriage was introduced? Let me say with a ratio of 60-40 pro.

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    this is a 4 step slow dance:

    1 RH
    2. Divorce
    3 same sex
    4 Abortion

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      tamang duda siguro damaso ka para kang naka drugs!!

    • cute79

      masyado kang advance kaya ang rh bill pinagpipîlitan nyong may abortion.maliwanag nman na sa rh bill na bwal parin ang abortion db?tao nga nman tlga!

      • http://www.facebook.com/ramon.seeker Ramon Seeker

        RH bill means more money for corruption

    • frudo

      kung ang abortion ay pde sa rh bill sa tingin mo ba papayag kami bakit lagi nyo kinakabit ang abortion sa rh bill, paki sagot nga ito para lang maliwanagan ako,, kasalanan ba para sa mag asawang legal  ang gumamit ng contraceptive  like condom or pill  kasalanan ba to sa ‘Dios kung sakaling ayaw nila magkaroon ng maraming anak, or gusto nila ay may tamang agwat sa pagaanak nila,  paki sagot nga po,,,

  • http://twitter.com/satisfying_juan satisfying_juan

    I am crying, again,  I am watching ”
    Kramer vs. Kramer” :

    Billy Kramer: When’s Mommy coming back?

    Ted Kramer: I dont know, Billy. Soon.

    Billy Kramer: How soon?

    Ted Kramer: Soon.

    Billy Kramer: Will she pick me up after school?

    Ted Kramer: Probably. And if she doesn’t I will.

    Billy Kramer: What if you forget?

    Ted Kramer: I won’t forget.

    Billy Kramer: What if you get run over by a truck and get killed?

    Ted Kramer: Then Mommy will pick you up.

  • randyaltarejos

    The Vatican City is in Rome. How come divorce is allowed in that part of the world? Will doomsday comes if divorce is allowed in the Philippines?

    • RiverHorse

      Vatican City is in Rome but it is separate from Rome. gets mo?!

      • Guest

         It is still funny, that the area around Vatican has divorce.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Not funny at all, Italy is not a Vatican slave colony

      • frudo

         and the Philippines is? lam u na sagot

  • simondj

    the bible is telling us,,, you can go away and leave your spouse as a leeway but remain clean and donot defile yourself. but if you file a divorce in order to get married again, it is counted as adultery, and you are teaching your spouse to commit it. iyon po ang danger dito, divorce can defile the family, the society and the community.

    • frudo

      nasa tao na yun di ba?

      • 444mangyan888

        bagamat may mga indibidwal na karapatan, responsibilidad pa rin ng estado na magmuog ng isang kaayusan ng lipunan na kapakipakinabang sa lahat. 
        Divorce law is gleaned to contribute to breaking down the very foundation of society.

      • frudo

        uu tama ka at obligation ng estado magpasa ng batas para s kaayusan ng lipunan   na pakikinabangan ng lahat,   kung abusuhin man ng tao ang batas na ibinigay ng Gobyerno na sa tao, gaya ng divorce law, hindi na yun kasalanan ng batas, kasalanan na yun ng tao, 

  • watsupdoc

    I think the Church is being hypocrital about it’s stand on divorce. When one has money legal separation is so easy to obtain and we do not hear a squeak from the Church. A friend of mine got his for P200,000 no sweat. Where is the sanctity of marriage when we see on tv movie personalities flaunt their annulments like changing partners akin to changing clothes. If the Church keeps a blind eye on this, why not give the poor who also wants out of their relationship for similar reasons of the rich, a chance to have a new relationship?

    • RiverHorse

      you’re confusing yourself. divorce, legal separation and annulment are three different things. annulment means that there was no marriage to begin with, legal separation means you are still married AND cannot enter into another marriage while divorce is similar to legal separation but you are “allowed” to remarry.

      media is one of the reasons why the sanctity of life and marriage are desecrated and that is why the catholic church is fighting tooth and nail against individuals and institutions which endanger us. the church is not keeping a blind eye, why else did we see the catholic church fight against the RH bill.

      get your facts straight before you comment. if you are a sample of the so-called “silent majority” then it is no wonder why the country is topsy-turvy.

      • Yobhtron

        You said annulment means that there was no marriage to begin with. How come some well known personalities that were married in churches were able to get annulment and remarry?  Pera-pera lang ang annulment sa RCC. Pang mayaman lang ang annulment.

      • boypalabobo

        and most likely pang mayaman din ang divorce.  just like annulment and legal separation.  most people in the philippines have not even seen 200,000 pesos.

      • frudo

        tangalin na rin ang annulment kung ayaw nyo ng divorce para fair,  

      • RiverHorse

        bihirang bihira ang annulment of marriage na nade-declare ng roman catholic church. ang siste kasi, pwede ideclare ng court na annulled yung marriage KAHIT NDE AGREE YUNG ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH dun sa annulment. masyado kang biased against the roman catholic church. katigasan ng ulo at kasakiman ng mga mag-asawa ang reason ng divorce/separation, nde pera-pera sa roman catholic church. may marriage tribunal na nag-aaral ng kaso ng mga nagfile ng annulment sa catholic church at madalas ilan taon ang binibilang bago madeclare na annulled kaya yung mga nagfile, NAGPAPALIT NG RELIGION tapos dederetso sa mababayaran nila para ideclare na annulled. gets mo???

      • 444mangyan888

        si gabby at sharon annulled ang marriage sa church.
        sa manila cathedral kinsal yun…si cardinal sin pa ta ang nag officiate..hehehe
        reminder la-ang

      • RiverHorse

        i am privy to the reason why na-annul yung kasal nila but look at sharon these days, sino ba asawa – mula sa angkan ng staunch born-agains.

      • frudo

        ang point dun marami rin na Pinoy ang kagaya ni sharon pero wlang pera kaya di maka pag pa annul  ng kasal,kung may reason bakit na pa walang bisa ang kasal ni sharon at gabby my reason din ang ibang mga Pinoy kung bakit gusto  rin nila na mag pa annul. so bakit di pede ang divorece sa Pinas pero annulment pwede? 

      • RiverHorse

        kasi may mga kaso na hindi valid yung pagkakakasal like pag nakasal na yung isang partido na itinago lang or kung menor de edad nung kinasal. kaya nga bihirang bihir yung annulment na pinayagan ng simbahang katolika. to answer your question, nde pwede ang divorce dahil technically kasal pa rin kayo kaya nga binibilang pa kung ilan beses ka kinasal kapag divorcee ka whereas(s)… kapag annulled ang kasal, nde mo masasabing ikakasal ka uli dahil there was no marriage to begin with – null and void, ika nga.

        kay sharon at gabby – malamang dahil may topak sila pareho or minor pa si sharon nung kinasal sila… just an educated guess.

        question: ikaw ba kung malaman mong dating lalake asawa mo, sa tingin mo valid kasal nyo???

      • frudo

        uu nga ang galing nga diba tapos parang pag pro divorce ka evil na tingin syo pero pag sa celebrity ok lang no probs

      • padjack

         kaya nga sila naka remarry because it’s as if hindi sila kinasal noon. clean plate, walang asawa, walang pinag iba sa taong single na gustong magpakasal.

      • watsupdoc

        The church is anachronous. It is behind the times 200years. We need a Vatican 3.

      • RiverHorse

        perhaps but not to give in to our times’ want for convenience.

  • Ommm

    “When asked what his message to President Aquino was, Bacani said, “I
    don’t have a message to him because he does not listen to what we are
    saying.”

    Finally we have a rational un-corrupt President!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44QGTQXFYHNVPNMX453LWBPMXM Opel

    one problem with the church is that when it comes to corruption issues, d gaano nagsasalita, a very passive stand, but when it comes to the use of condoms and contraceptives makikigiyera. If they have their own priorities then its just proper to know that other people and the government also have their own priorities.

  • nes911

    Talk about priest marriages and pedophilia, the bishops will be pleased.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    We have divorce law here in the country, actually. It’s been around for 35 years already. However, only a group of people can avail of it.

    • glenn padilla

      i dnt know if ur being sarcastic, but theres no divprce law in this country. anulment and legal separation laws yes, but no divorce law.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        There is and it is still in effect. As I’ve said, only a group of people can avail of it. It was promulgated by Pres. Marcos in 1977.

        A classmate of mine filed for divorce 10 years ago. She’s remarried and has 2 children with her present husband. 

        The reason for divorce? The first husband was abusive, physically and psychologically.

      • boypalabobo

        i think you mean “Muslim Divorce”.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        Yes. It is still a law on divorce that is applicable to Filipino citizens whose religious beliefs allow them to be divorced from his/her spouse under certain conditions.

        What’s the fuss about this “Divorce” law? We have that already, but only to a group of Filipino citizens. 

        If a person does not want to avail of divorce, assuming there is one that is applicable to all, because of religious conviction, then it is up to that person.

        Are the bishops saying that Muslim Filipinos have lost their morality because in Shariah divorce is allowed? I don’t think so.

        They must know what they want in order to get it.

      • boypalabobo

        The fuss – Catholic Church believes it is against God’s Law.  The thing is, it is allowed in the Mosaic Law because of the stubbornness of the Jews.  Does God like it? No, but it was made available by God under the Mosaic Law, which even Christ upheld. 

        Now the Catholic Church is twisting verses just to support their claims and deeds.  They should read the verse as it is.

        However if the Catholic Church believes this will be to the detriment of Filipino family values, children, etc…  I agree on this with them.

        Besides, meron na nga annulment, legal separation. Even if divorce became an option, you would still need money to be able to do it. So…wala…only the rich and their lifestyle will benefit from this.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        If the premise of being against the divorce law is because only the rich can benefit from that, then we don’t have to worry about that, do we?

        The Filipino values will always be in our hearts if we stand fast to the teachings of the Church. Or any church for that matter.

        The fact that there may be the temptation to easily dissolve the marriage for reasons stated in the “law”, then that would put to test our faith, our values, our beliefs. It’s the whole point of being a believer.

        Not all Muslims have availed of the law that I have mentioned even if this is culled from the teachings of the Qur’an. Why? Because most of them still hold dear the concept of Family.

        However, the secular movement would always favor the passing fancy of the times. Heck, we might even get the same-sex marriage law or the pro-abortion law in the long run. 

        A hundred years from now, these may all be repealed or they would get worse. But the Family, it will always be there.

      • boypalabobo

        I agree with you.

        But when a family is bombarded with the incorrect environment – it will most likely succumb and fall victim to it.

        Statistics show that children of divorced parents are 90% likely to divorce as well if their parents remarried.  This sets the stage for another failed family unit to the next generation.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        Then the “Church” should work overtime in teaching the children.

        This is the responsibility of the Church, to teach the children well. I think we have failed on this. 

        The incorrect environment will always be there. Just like the temptation of the priests, some fall into it, some don’t.

        As you posted in another thread – “marami ng batas ang pilipinas, pero hindi pinapansin.”

        Who knows, this proposed law, including the RH bill, would remain in paper.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        only bula bula bula from a backward and remote country, only da Philippines

      • glenn padilla

        only when our legislators wont place necessary safeguards in the law. we can always customize a divorce law that would take into consideration the likely effect of a divorce law and more importantly the filipino family values. we need not pattern it with the existing divorce laws of other countries. besides, as the one of the last remaining countries with no divorce law, we can learn from the mistakes of others.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        Maybe that’s the reason of this fanfare.

        Our legislature loves the circus environment.

      • Guest

         The gov and parliament are a whole circus.

      • glenn padilla

        if only fililipinos think the way you do then i would agree that divorce will be redundant. however, reality tells us that the concept of family has been degraded and perversed for years.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

        Believe me, I had the temptation before. But when you see your children growing up, the irreconcilable differences become reconcilable after all.

        I think, the provisions about annulment should be amended so as to include all forms of violence and the poor must have cheaper access to the court.

        The irreconcilable differences as a ground, is for me, a load of crap. Please pardon the language.

      • frudo

        hindi nman kasing mahal ng annulment , so paano na yun mga hindi katoliko pero hindi muslim wala ba sila karapatan mag file ng divorce   kaya dapat tlga na pagusapan na yan kasi di na nman lahat ng tao sa Pinas katoliko na, kung sasabihin na katoliko na evil ang mga hindi naging faithful sa kanila so what hindi nman sila ang haharap sa Dios pag dating ng jugdemetn, pero dapat bigyan din nila ng rights pumili ang ibang tao na dapat na para sa kanila wag na nila harangin pa kung ano pa mang batas ang gusto ipasa ng gobyerno dahil ang batas ay para sa lahat ng Pilipino maging ano pa man ang relihiyon or paniniwala nila

      • boypalabobo

        hindi mahal annulment?  100-200K hindi mahal?  sweldo ng maid, labandera, pedicab driver, teacher, magkano?

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    Don’t rub salt in the wound.
    ————

    GANITO TALAGA PAG UUGALI NG MGA BORN AGAIN…LALO NA SI BELMONTE…

    LALO NA UNG NAPAGALITAN NG PARI AT PINALABAS SA SIMBAHAN KASI NAKA SPAGHETI AT MINI MINI SKIRT, ANDIYAN NAMAN UMAALIGID ANG KAMPON NI SATANAS NA MGA BORN AGAIN PASTORS PARA HIKAYATIN NA SUMALI SA KANILA…

    • frudo

      wag muna kaya isali natin ang relihiyon divorce law muna ang pagusapan pde kaya?  kasi walang mananalo pag relihiyon ang paguusapan eh? magkakasakitan lang tayokasi lahat nman ng relihyon may butas walang perfect, ano sa tingin mo?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        divorce cannot be separated from immorality…yan ang tingin ko…sa mga kalandian, kahayokan, greediness…siempre mapabor yan sa divorce

      • frudo

        Okey tama yan paniniwala mo pero pwede mo ba yan ipilit sa ibang tao na iba ang situasyon at paniniwala so bakit di natin sila bigyan ng kalayaan makaapamili tutal divorce Ay choice oe option hindi sapilitan demokracya ang Pinad di ba

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        majority does not always speak the truth…history tells that some majority decision created catastrophe…like, MAJORITY germans supported the fuhrer for that war, what was the result? 10 miilions were killed…Christ was killed by majority rule

      • 444mangyan888

        it was the majority that voted to crucify Jesus Christ.
        it was the majority that took the position of the church and condenmed Galileo for his alleged heresy by postulating that the world revolve around the sun..
        sama ako sa u jan poltergeist..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        SALAMAT SA INTERNET AT YOUTUBE NALALAMAN NA NAMIN ANG PAG SISINUNGALING NG MGA DAMASO!! IMPOKRITO MANLILINLANG!! SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE”

  • godofthunder16

    I’d love to see the RCC crap itself with the upcoming bills. Yes to a progressive nation and down with Theocracy!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P4PIU2AIGVXJNQ4UBH5X64MSFE mr

    Maski binubugbog at patayin na ang asawang babae, di pa rin pwede divorce o kaya maraming babae si mister at di sinusuportahan ang pamilya, di pa rin divorce. Di ang sama ng Diyos dahil ayaw nyang pakawalan ang isang nadurusa sa isang demonyong asawa dahil lang sa kasal na di pwedeng paghiwalayin ng tao este Katokliko. Dapat magsaya mga pare dahil pwede na sila magasawa ng iba pag nagsawa sa kabit nila.

    • boypalabobo

      bawal yan.  meron na batas dyan.  RA9262
      marami ng batas ang pilipinas, pero hindi pinapansin.

    • simondj

      kung pinapatay siya pwede umalis at iwanan ang kanyang asawa, balik siya sa magulang o mga kapatid niya o sa lugar ng mga kamaganak niya, pero huwag siyang magaasawa. ( be holy because your Father in heaven is holy). ngayon kung pinapatay parin siya doon sa bahay ng magulang niya, pwede siya hingi ng tulong sa mga pulis.

      • frudo

        eh paano yung bababe na iniwan na at pinabayaan na lubusan ng asawang lalaki, wala na ba syang karapatan mag asawa ulit at bumuo ulit ng pamilya?  kya pala ang daming pinoy na hiwalay na asawa na may kinakasama nalang sa ngayon di pde pakasal at walang suporta natatangap ang anak sa dating asawa na humiwalay,, jgaling yun ba ang tama

    • frudo

      korek ka jan hindi kayang paghiwalayin ng katoliko lang sila tong ayaw ng divorce law eh di nman lahat ng tao sa Pinas katoliko, pero bro take note  pde sa kanila annulment hehehheh ano kaya yun

  • bob

    keep family together half of the family in the Philippines  are broken apart already without divorce,is it fair for a woman to get hit all the time by her husband he goes out  and drinks runs around with other woman make baby’s all over the place but you say no divorce, time to wake up Philippines  i feel bad for the woman lock into terrible marriage and cant get out?

  • bob

    hi

  • DWAYNE11

    Nangangaral ang mga pari tungkol sa marriage at rh bill na sila mismo ay hindi alam at naranasan ang buhay may asawa. Naka sara ang isipin nila sa lumang doktrina na hindi na angkop sa panahon ngayon. Para silang instructor ng piloto na sila mismo ay hindi pa naka-kapag palipad ng eroplano, nagsasalita lang sila base sa libro..time to adopt to change or else sooner or later , wala ng maniniwala sa Roman Catholic church…yung mga donasyon ng mga Pilipino dinadala nyo lang sa Vatican, start to use that money to help the people..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YIZ7FOBGCMHEBUR5AFDC4U6KYM Mervin

    o be fare mga kabayan Pare, madre, pastor o menistro all of them are
    human beings lahat sila nagkakasala lahat sila may pangngagailangan why
    are we so generalize about this church people. Sino ba sa atin ang
    malinis I’ll bet wala but we have to repent to be save when our lord
    arrive yun eh kung kayo ay naniniwala whether u r Catholic or Protestant
    or even Islam. Everyone have their own opinion but does it good for
    every human being ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT WEALTH AND POWER AND SADLY WE ARE BEING USED.

  • arn_arn

    This Divorce Bill.

    Hindi si Nanay or si Tatay ang Luge nito.

    Kundi si ANAK……….

    Maski sa anong Angulo pa natin TINGNAN..

    • frudo

      So ano problema mo dun anak mo ba yun. eh kung choice nila maghiwalay eh maapektuhan ka ba dun. Daanin na lang sa botohan ang divorce law para may pagpipilian lahat ng Pinoy ano pa man relihiyon at paniniwala nila

    • boypalabobo

      tama.  masyado siguring selfish ang mga magulang, hindi marunong mag sacrificio sa kanilang mga anak.  Dapat dyan me licensiya bago magka-anak.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PAANO KUNG MAY FAMILYA NG IBA YUNG ASAWA MO AT TAON NA DI KAYO NAG SASAMA AT GUS2 MO MAKASAL DUN SA KINAKASAMA MO DI BA KARAPATAN NILA YUN’  BAKIT PINIPIGILAN NG MGA DAMASO!! BAKIT PINIPIGILAN NILA KARAPATAN MO” SA SIMBAHAN LANG TRABAHO NILA MAG BAYAD MUNA SILA NG BUWIS BAGO SILA MAKIALAM

    • arn_arn

       Tang ina mo Pastor Paeng ang iniisp mo ay ang kapakanan ng MAG-ASAWA.

      Pero hindo mo INISIP yung kapakanan ng mga BATA kung maghihiwalay yung mga MAGULANG nila.

      Tang ina mo talaga PASTOR PAENG utak IPIS ka talaga..

      Hindi kalang Hiporcrito Pastor Paeng BOBO ka pa..

      Hindi mo ba naisip na ang higit na mas nasasaktan at mas nahihirapan ay ang mga ANAK.

      NAISIP mo ba yan?

      Masamang Damo ka talaga Pastor Paeng.

      Protestante walang KWENTA.

      Hindi nyu kasi Sinusunod yung BIBLIYA kaya Pro-Divorce Bill ka..

      Tang-ina.. Gusto mo basahin ko pa yung BIBLE para sayu?

      Tanga ka talaga Pastor Paeng……….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        NAUUTO KA NI CARNIVAL TAGLE ROBOT KUNG SILA HAHAWAK SA PILIPINAS DADAMI ANG BATANG HUBO!! TUTA KA NI DAMASO HINDI AKO PASTOR KATOLIKO AKO DI NA NAG SISIMBA WAG MO GAMITIN ANG DIYOS D2 MAY INTERNET NA KAYA ALAM KO NA KABULUKAN NG DAMASO!!

  • arn_arn

     Gusto Pa atang gumaya ang mga PINOY sa mga Hollywood stars.

    Ang dami ng mga ANAK pero sa iba-ibang ASAWA.

    Okay sa mga MAGULANG ang Divorce pero OKAY din ba kaya ito sa mga anak nila?

    Eh yung mga anak nila sa ibang mga babaeng pinakasalan nila at BINUSTAS pagkatapos ay iniwan para MAG-ASAWA ulit at BUMUNTIS na naman ng ibang babae, ok kaya yun?

    Ano kaya ang mangyayari sa mga anak nila sa iba’t-ibang babae?

    Yung utak ng mga PASTOR dyan parang mga UTAK lang ng mga IPIS.

    Lahat ng mga hakbang ng simbahang Kinokontra talaga nila.. LOL.

    Ok sana kung isa lang KLASE ng PROTESTANTE sa Buong MUNDO.

    Ehh sa panahon ngayon sobrang DAMI na nila more than 30,000+ na ang iba’t-ibang KLASE ng mga Kristiyanong Protestante sa Buong WORLD. May Jehova’s Witnesses, may Adventists, may Methodists may Prysbeterian, may Lutheran, may Baptist, May Apostles of Christ, Followers of Christ, Kingdom of God, El Shaddai, Born-Again and the REST OF THE 30,000+ different kind of Christian Protestant Reigion.

    At hindi lang yun, sa panahon ngayon may 15,000+ na rin ang iba’t-ibang VERSION ng BIBLE depende sa Relihiyon. Ang mga halimbawa nito ay ang Lutheran Bible at King James Version na Bible. LOL. Paliit na ng paliit ang paniha ng BIBLIYA.

    Kung hindi nyu NAIINTINDIHAN ang sinasabi kung VERSION ng BIBLE, pwede paki tingnan nyu yung BIBLIYA ng mga Mormons, Pentecostals at Jehova’s Witnesses. Makikita nyu ang SOBRANG LAKING PAGKAKA-IBA… LOL.

    Sa panahon ngyon hindi lang Battle of the Band yung USO kundi pati na rin ang BATTLE OF THE RELIGION.

    Sa dami ba ngayon ng TAONG gumagawa ng sarili nilang KRISTIYANONG RELIHIYON ngayon STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE (SOP) na nila ang Mang – Recruit. hehe

    Yung Pastor ng mga Born-Again at Iglesia ni Manalo sa Tiyange namin araw-araw sa Kalye nagpapa-PANSIN pero makikita mo sa UNAHAN may supot yung mga KAMPON nila na manghihingi ng PERA. LOL. mga PATAWA…

    Tang inang mga PASTOR yan…

    Tang ina mo talaga PASTOR PAENG isa ka talagang Hipocrito..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!!! MAYOR LITO ATIENZA ABORZIONIST PROLIFE!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SALAMAT AT MAY YOUTUBE NA NALALAMAN NAMIN ANG PANG LILINLANG NG CBCP BISHOPS DAMASO AT NG SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE NAMULAT NA KAMI

  • Baruk1

    Some of the verses that shows the Love of God.

    Romans 8:37-39; Eph 2:4-10; 1 John 2:5-7; Heb 6:10-12; 1 John 4:7-11 1 John 3:10-13; 1 John 4:16-20; 1 John 5:3-4

    God save righteous Lot and family when Satan influence the sinners of Sodom and Gomorrah and turned into ashes.
     
    “then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,” 2 Peter 2:6-9 
     
    David set his army officer to die in war so he can marry the wife, later become the mother of Solomon. David recognized what he did and repented so much to God. David will be given important position in the coming kingdom. 
     
    “He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.’ (Acts 13:22)

    Saul was killing the disciples of Christ and was blinded. Later become Apostle Paul after getting special training from Christ and wrote the most number of books in the new Testament.

    “And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’  So I answered, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said to me, ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.” (Acts 22:7-8)
     
    Satan the devil, liar from the beginning, deceived and still deceiving the whole world causing great chaos.
     
    The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Rev 20:10
     
    God of the Bible is a loving God and is fair. No comparison. Satan was only created by God.
     



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