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Cardinal Vidal still hopeful RH bill will not pass on 3rd reading in House

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Cebu Archbishop Emeritus Ricardo Cardinal Vidal. Photo from cbcponline.net

CEBU CITY, Philippines — Cebu Archbishop Emeritus Ricardo Cardinal Vidal remained hopeful on Sunday, that the reproductive health bill would fail in the third reading vote in the House of Representatives on Monday.

“We are praying but anything can happen,” Vidal said in an interview.

Earlier, in a homily he delivered in a Mass that marked the first of the nine-day novena tradition for Christmas, Vidal cited the importance of seeing God’s will in the drafting of laws governing humans.

The cardinal did not directly mention the reproductive health (RH) bill in his homily at a Mass held at the compound of Cebu Catholic Television Network (CCTN).

But in an interview, Vidal explained that any law coming from the government would be based on human will.

He explained that if a law did not respect the will of God, it might lead to dictatorship “because it is not God who will be with us, it’s only man.”

“You know, the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others. So, the consequence as we have learned from history — and the church has been living for more than 2000 years — we have experienced that when God is absent in making laws, tapos (everything ends),” the Cardinal said.


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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SA NEW ZEALAND MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA SAWA SA STEAK SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG HUBO SA BAKA KAYA MARAMING ISNATCHER AT DESPERADO”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THEPHILIPPINES”

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory

    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.

    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States: “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”

    Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

  • quirinomayer

    “Earlier, in a homily he delivered in a Mass that marked the first of the nine-day novena tradition for Christmas, Vidal cited the importance of seeing God’s will in the drafting of laws governing humans.”

    WERE ALL LAWS DURING THE TIME OF CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES IN ACCORD WITH GOD’S WILL? HOW COME THERE IS NO RECORD OF CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES TRYING TO CHANGE LAWS AND INTERVENE IN THE PASSAGE OF ANY? CHRIST KNEW HE WOULD DIE UNDER THE LAW ON CRUCIFIXION OF OFFENDERS BUT DID HE SAY ANYTHING AGAINST IT?

    THE INSISTENCE OF THE CBCP THAT THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE SHOULD BE BASIS FOR THE LEGISLATION IN THIS COUNTRY IS FOREIGN TO CHRISTIANS TEACHINGS. IT HAS NO BASIS IN THE BIBLE.  

    On the contrary, there are Scriptures where Christ and His disciples instructed their followers to respect civil authorities. Jesus himself said: “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21). St. Paul wrote: “Let every soul be subject to government authorities. For there is no authority except from God,and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves” (Romans 13:1-3). St. Peter: “Therefore submit yourself to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake,whether to the king as supreme. Or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good” (IPeter 2:13, 14).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

      Sabi ni Juan bautista “maghanda kayo sa pagdating ng Panginoon.”  Nagtanong ang mga tax collectors na corrupt”ano ang gagawin namin?”  Sabi ni Juan huwag kayo magsingil ng sobra… ang mga sundalo nagtanong din. Sabi ni Juan “do not practice extortion.” Nasa Bible yan pare. Pagnaniwala ka sa Panginoon gagawa ka ng mabuti sa kapawa mo. Yan ang basis ng social teachings ng simbahan dahil ang mga minamahal ng Dios dapat mahalin din ng mga kristiyano.  Kaya kung ang basis ng mga pro rh politicians ay ang paniwala sa Dios gagawa sila ng laws that promote the sanctity and the dignity of life.  Kaya lang akala nila mas matalino pa sila sa Dios kaya kahit ang tinuturo ni Juan ayaw nilang pakinggan. At umiembento ng mga laws na wala silang competence. Usurpation ng power ng Dios! Tingnan mo si John the Baptist pinatay dahil dyan. At si Kristo na promoter ng human dignity pinatay rin.

      • pej1972

        Ano ba talaga kuya? Pag ndi pabor sa paniwala ng simbahan, usurpation of power ng Diyos, e di ba 14 years ng pinagdasal ng RCC itong RH Bill.

        Napapansin ko lang, pag pinagdasal ninyo at nangyari, God is Great. Pag pinagdasal ninyo at ndi pinagbigyan, its God’s will.

  • pej1972

    Cardinal Vidal certainly knows what he talks about, I am certain that he is referring to the Dark Ages where man had imposed his own will to others.

  • guy69

    Kayo ba kumokontra sa RH Bill may naitutulong sa mga nagkalat na pulubi 9 anak namamalimos sa kalye???..Sige nga nakontrol nyo ba?..Kaya mabuti pa isara nyo na mga BUNGANGA nyo at tumigil na sa pagkontra ng RH Bill!.Mga ipokrito kayo!.Walang ng gaanong NANINIWALA sa inyo!.Hindi na panahon ng kastila ngaun!.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

      trabaho yan ng gobierno bro! ask mo si Pres Pinoy un magandang services nya sa taong bayan. bakit andyn pa rin un pork barrel which a source of corruption! taga saan ka ba? na check mo ba un sa city hall kung may corruption pa o wala? swerte ka bro kung walang corruption dun sa city hall!

      yan itanong mo yan sa gobierno di sa simbahan. baka na lito ka na kung san ka hihingi ng tulong!

      why not also as your fake religion, your fake pastors and check your modified bible!

      everything with you is fake! wake up bro!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

        tama! kahit anong propaganda sa matuwid na daan nandoon pa rin ang nakawan sa gobyerno. Tingnan natin kung ma solve ang poverty dahil sa mga condoms at contraceptives. I bet kahit walang kamatayan si Pinoy at presidente sya until year 3000 at na i fund nya ng trillions ang contraceptives magkaroon  pa rin ng mga dukha sa lansangan.

      • mucho_cheapo

        You really are DELUSIONAL. Hanggang ngayon ay ALIPIN ka ba rin ng Simbahan.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

        Trabaho din ng gobyerno na magpasa ng mga batas na sa paniniwala nito ay nakakabuti sa tao. Kung ayaw nyo sa RH Law, sakaling mapasa eto, kayo na ang magbawal nito sa inyong mga sumasalampataya. Hindi lahat na tao sa Pilipinas ay katoliko na maari nyong diktahan. Bawat isa sa tao ay siyang mananagot sa kanyang Tagapaglikha. Hindi ikaw at hindi ang inyong cardinal ang mananagot sa kasalanan ninuman..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DG3R2AAQZDON2KH45T3YC5DOA del pillar

    VERY WELL SAID CARDINAL VIDAL…….PEOPLE (MOST) ARE SO HUNGRY AND EAGER FOR MATERIAL THINGS IN THIS WORLD AS THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE EVEN GREAT AND POWERFUL THAN GOD, THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!! 

    • pej1972

      Nakakatulig ang yung tinuran kaibigan. Kung titingnan mo ang 2000 years na history, maraming buhay ang nawala, sa Crusades, Inquisition, bansang sinakop sa ngalan ng Diyos…actually hanggang ngayon naman.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

        dahil walang learnings ang mga pro rh sa history gustong gumawa ng kanilang contribution sa evils in history. at least the church learns from her mistakes. Itong mga self righteous pro rh ang gustong mag experiment sa kalokohan para magiging dakila.

      • pej1972

        hahaha ang mga dakila ng RCC, sa history, nangamatay at ayun ginawa nilang santo.

  • guy69

    Kayo na mga pulitiko wag kayo matakot sa simbahan na hindi kayo iboboto!.Mas maraming panig sa RH Bill kaya wag matakot. Isa pa WALA ng gaanong NANINIWALA sa kanila.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

      bakit kayo takot? may kasalanan ba kayo sa simbahan?

  • Shutter

    Si Cardinal Vidal ba yung dating adviser of ERAP who the church campaigned not to vote for? LOL

  • brunogiordano

    “You know, the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others.”

    Kayo ang unang nakakaalam niya pag dating sa pag I-impose na will sa ibang tao dahil matagal na ninyong ginagawa iyan.

    Kayong mga pari at OBISPO ay matagal ng nag-I-impose sa amin ng inyong kagustuhan.

    Panahon ngayon na kayo ang dapat ng makinig at sumunod sa aming nais sa aming mga buhay.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

      talaga?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KCJOIZVKYTZRK7KIPNU5H4ZDEY Abu Ratcohaba

    tuliro na si tatang ..nawawala na yata sa katinuan,,kawawa naman di matanggap na hinde nila kayang pasunurin sa kanilang kagustuhan ang nakararaming pilipino katoliko man o hinde

  • tarikan

    Akala ko si Manny Pacquiao lang ang nakakapag-usap sa diyos. Cardinal Vidal seems to do it also. He knows exactly what god wants. Pero ang sa akin lang ang hula ko (hula kasi nd ko nakakausap siya) si god ay in favor of the RH Bill. Bakit kamo, He practiced family planning. He had an only begotten son. Kung naging say 10 or 12 sana na anak eh di lahat ng religion may anak na nagpapalakad hindi lang Catholicism. Wala sanang away na kesyu kami ang chosen few, we go to heaven sila non-believers hindi, long live the crusaders, death to infidels, hari khresna bruhaha, etc. 

    • pej1972

      You know, the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others. So, the consequence as we have learned from history — and the church has been living for more than 2000 years — we have experienced that when God is absent in making laws, tapos (everything ends),” the Cardinal said.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXOWXSFICOTS2EABQMULUO7UTY Rommel Jason

    And yet he kept his mouth shut during the philandering and thieving administration of Estrada and the flagrant conjugal kleptocracy of Gloria and Mike.

  • calipso_2100

    My questions to RH supporters:

    -Is there anything today that prohibits anyone from availing services/medicines for reproductive health?

    -Are people today prohibited from buying condoms or other contraceptives?

    -If the aim is to make contraception and reproductive health services/medicines more accessible, especially to the poor, can’t a simple government program achieve it?  Does it have to be a law?

    • pej1972

      Theoretically, may punto ka. Pero eto galing sa actual experience, kung hindi i-institutionalise ng Gobyerno ang access sa inpormasyon sa RH, mas lalong masasayang ang pera ng Gobyerno dahil sa kanayunan at urban poor areas, hindi ito available. Tanging may aral at pera lamang ang may access sa mga impormasyong ito sa kasalukuyan.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXOWXSFICOTS2EABQMULUO7UTY Rommel Jason

      It has to be a law because funding needs to be ensured and appropriated. Otherwise,  LGUs can opt not to allocate money for it, otherwise, Congress can cut the DOH budget for it, otherwise, schools can opt not to educate the students about it, otherwise it will all depend on the mercy of those in power.

    • ajca82

      Yes. Imagine if, God forbid, Lito Atienza becomes president. The support for modern family planning techniques will be zilch, DOH will only promote only NFP and he’d even have a chance to make it harder for people to obtain contraceptives.

      Everyone knows abstinence is 100% effective but not 100% of the population can practice abstinence.

      • panhase

         Correct and even the clergy does not practice abstinence, as we all know.

  • wawa2172

    I am a catholic since birth Cardinal Vidal but were not on the same wavelength as far as RH Bill is concern. I am also an apolitical person thus I am not a fan of Noy but rather I agree to disagree with his decisions and way governance but I am a Pro-RH. It does not lessen my being a catholic for doing so because I respect our church leaders. I guess the Lord did not tell us to go and multiply. I am sure that he also want us to be responsible in taking care of our family especially the kids. Having a big family in this generation is no longer a joke. Health, education, food and shelter is no longer cheap and affordable. It very obvious that were to overpopulated too and most  of the present families lives below poverty line. RH will not solve the problem on poverty, but it will somehow be a means to reduced our population, take care of women health, and unwanted parenthood. It is no way an abortion supporting bill as it only provide us with a choice for family planning. Italy is the center of Catholicism but contraceptives is part of its government means to resolve over population. It has an old population but who can blame them they have suffered poverty too and they are able to find ways to reduced it.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EH4ULRSTE37PKHCRB6Q6WAWPB4 nitehawk

    His Emminence Cardinal Vidal with all due respect could you please ask the Vatican why it allowed Italy to have its own abortion law? knowing that Rome is well within and has an influence over some of the Italian politicians it even has its own political party within the Italian government.

  • ajca82

    “You know, the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others.”

    How ironic.

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    Nothing wrong in hoping…but just leave congress alone.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    I hope you are not blind on this!!!
    The Birth Control Pill is the most popular and widely usedmethod of hormonal contraception. It involves taking a month-long series ofpills—three weeks of pills containing hormones, and one without. This allowsthe woman to have a menstrual period. The Pill contains two synthetic hormones,progestin and ethinyl estradiol and has three mechanisms: 
    1) it preventsovulation, 2) thickens the cervical mucus, which makes it harder for sperm toenter the uterus and 3) affects the endometrium or lining of the womb to makeit more hostile to implantation. 
    This means the tiny developing baby (embryo)cannot attach to the uterine lining and dies, which is a very early abortion. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXOWXSFICOTS2EABQMULUO7UTY Rommel Jason

      Did you read that the RH Bill at all? Magko comment kayo, hndi nyo naman nabasa!! Hirap sa inyo naniniwala kayo sa sabi sabi e, magbasa nga kasi kayo!!! Walang abortion, nor abortifacient allowed. The constitution recognizes life AT Conception and it is a crime to get a fertilized egg disabled from attaching to the uterus. The prevention of ovulation, prevents conception (ie, the sperm cell has no egg cell to meet!, thus no conception!!)

    • Guest

      I think you’re confusing “the pill” with the “morning after pill.” Those are two different medications. Also, the pill you’re describing IS ALREADY AVAILABLE IN THIS COUNTRY. I has been FOR YEARS. It simply needs a prescription.

      If you are truly against the contraception concept, you should have been rallying against the approval for availability of these pills from the start. It’s a little late for your argument, now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    RH BILL KILLS THE UNBORN!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MXOWXSFICOTS2EABQMULUO7UTY Rommel Jason

      Did you read that the RH Bill at all? Magko comment kayo, hndi nyo naman nabasa!! Hirap sa inyo naniniwala kayo sa sabi sabi e, magbasa nga kasi kayo!!! Walang abortion, nor abortifacient preparation allowed. The constitution recognizes life AT Conception and it is a crime to get a fertilized egg disabled from attaching to the uterus. The prevention of ovulation, prevents conception (ie, the sperm cell has no egg cell to meet!, thus no conception!!)
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    • sanjuan683

      Papaano mangyayari yun hindi nga magmi-meet eh di wala nabuo. Napakabobo mo talaga simbobo ka na rin mga obispo at pari. Hanggang hindi magmi-meet wala buhay na mabubuo.
      Ikaw papaano ka nabuo? Itanong mo sa tatay at nanay mo.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      2012 NA TUTA KAPARIN NI DAMASO” KAHIT NA MALI SILA OO KA NG OO TANGA”’ ROBOT” ALIPIN NI DAMASO MONSINYOR” CARNIVAL TAGLE MAYOR ATIENZA” TERRORISTA”

    • mucho_cheapo

      You are CLUELESS!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=608783591 Armand Lazaro

      magbasa ka kapatid… basahin mo yung proposed bill para mas maunawaan mo… huwag  ka basta basta naniniwala na lang sa mga pari at obispo…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AQAWHYUAQ2FKOYIDQZ3GBYBNEA jeson

    KAYONG MGA OBISPO ANG ATUPAGIN NIYO YUNG MGA PARI NIYONG MAY MGA ANAK MGA NANGMOMOLESTIYA. TIGILAN NIYO NIYO PAKIKI ALAM SA GOBYERNO.PANAHON NA PARA MABAWASAN MAN LANG ANG MGA BATANG KALYE MGA BATANG DI MAKA PAG ARAL DAHIL SA DAMI.KUNG MORALIDAD LANG NAMAN PAG UUSAPAN WAG NA KAYONG MAG MALINIS. MGA OBISPONG MAHILIG SA REGALO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    KASI NAMAN KAYO PAG LALABASAN KAYO IPUTOK DAW NINYO SA LOOB SABI NI BISHOPS WAG DAW TATAKPAN NG GOMA MASAMA DAW YUN SA KAUTUSAN NG SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO DAG DAGAN PA DAW NINYO ANG MGA BLESING SA KARSADA PARA DUMAMI ANG ISNATCHER BISHOP BAWAS KITA YANG R.H BILL MAHINA KITA NG VATICAN”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    Mawalang galang po, wala naman po kayong kaalam alam kung ano ang paghihirap at kalusugan ng ating mga kababaehan….nandiyan lang po kayo sa palasyo. At pwede po ba huwag na ninyong i mislead ang mga tao lalo lang po dumarami ang tumatalikod sa simbahang katoliko dahil sa pagpapaniwala ninyo nuon at hanggang ngayon…..yong bata po nuon ngayon ay malalaki na at may pamilya narin at nakapag aral na, ibig sabihin malawak na ang pagkakaintindi…in short they are already in the stage of maturity, isa na po ako diyan na nanlalamig sa simbahang katoliko…i reporma po ninyo ang inyong hanay kundi kayo rin po ang tumutulak sa mga katoliko na talikuran ang simbahan.

  • mangtom

    The Holy Bible says: “Go ye and multiply”.
    CBCP says: “Go ye and divide”. Their lies and hypocrisy cause division among the faithful.

    • sanjuan683

      hehehehe bakit ganun hindi nila sinusunod ang bible go ye and multiply bakit hindi sila nag-aasawa para magmultiply. Wala na naman sa holy bible na bawal sila mag-asawa. Sila lang ang gumagawa ng sariling nila patakaran. Ang mga Pastor at Ministro may mga asawa mga lingkod din ng Panginoon sa katunayan ang kanilang asawa nakakatulong sa mga gawain ng church.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    Please…. we are not IGNORANT of what happening in this world…..please stop manipulating the catholics follower in wrong direction….. a direction that for long time ago the church benefited not my fellow Pilipino countrymen….

  • noypisiTED

    The Cardinal didn’t get this old only to change horses. Hope springs eternal as a popular cliche goes. But so do PNoy who may turn out to be the best and strongest president this country ever had whom the prelates had misread as they didn’t realize that he had the will to go against the wishes of the Catholic Church. Anyway, in spite of the cardinal’s gnashing of teeth the action on the RH bill is over but the patting in the back since PNoy had already set the marching orders. At this point when election is fast approaching who will disappoint the president but only the loyalist of Gloria Arroyo.

  • recelyn

    Cardinal, what therefor is the will of God. Those young criminals, addicts, and even perverts priest, just asking?

  • mangtom

    Cardinal Vidal keep hoping. If you lose in the third-voice voting, I am pretty sure you will demand a fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, ad infinitum, voting until your prayer is fulfilled. You see, that is God’s will. Your loss is NOT God’s will. You better remind HIM that. GOD has to listen to you. Magaling pa ba ang God kaysa CBCP? No way.

  • Guest

    Logic failed the moment anti-RH congress members cited the reasons of celibate men in deciding on a matter involving sex and families- neither of which priests, bishops, and cardinals can have. How can you expect them to give the best advice for women when they know nothing (supposedly) of having sex nor raising children? They’re butting in on literally the last thing they would know about.

  • Bobby Espedilla

    It is not God’s will, it’s the church will!

  • geminimind

    “We have experienced that when God is absent in making laws everything ends”Not really,God is ever present in every thing that you do;the good,the bad and the ugly.God lives in all of us,He lives in the secret chamber of the Heart.Our God and your God is the same God in each and everyone of us,He is a living flame.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HAPQVQNMOOCNHB54ONDGD2KSRE esther

    NASA PANAHON PA BA TAYO NG KASTILA NA GUSTONG HAWAKAN SA LEEG ANG GOBYERNO NG MGA PADRE DAMASO NA ITO? HANGGANG KAILAN MAGPAPAKAINDIYO ANG MGA MAMBABATAS NATIN SA ILALIM NG MGA PADRE DAMASO NA ITO? SAYANG ANG PINAGHIRAPAN NG MGA BAYANI NATIN TULAD NG GOMBURAZA KUNG HANGGANG NGAYON AY MAGPAPALOKO PA RIN ANG ATING MAMBABATAS SA MGA PADRE DAMASO NA UMUYURAK SA KATALINUHAN NG ATING GOBYERNO.

  • denky31

    Yes Prayer is the Key that shall open the floodgate of support coursed by no other than Our Almighty Father. Let’s all put our trust and belief that God will do the rest for we did our best. To God be the glory

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      TANGA WAG MO IDAMAY DIYOS D2 MEDICAL SCIENCE ANG PINAG UUSAPAN D2 SINABI NI CRISTO PANGALAGAAN MO PINARARAMI MO” HINDI PARAMI KA NG PARAMI PAG PAG NA KINAKAIN MO!!!! UNIVERSIAL R.H GOOD TO THE PEOPLE TAYO NALANG SA BUONG MUNDO ANG WALA R.H BILL KATOLIBAN BISHOPS TERRORIST”

  • JosengSisiw1

    The good Cardinal then should explain when the Spaniards occupied Philippines. The church was obviously running the country and making laws that time, does he mean the abuses we got from the Spaniards are the will of God?

  • xmb458

    There was a time these so called catholic prelates declared rock dance and music as work of the devil. There was also a time that these same people tolerated and in fact received tremendous gifts from Gloria Arroyo the queen of corruption which they themselves declared as a living saint. ang now comes this RH bill which they call again as work of the devil. Can’t these people realize that they themselves are the devil? Dont they realize that 90% of people in the catholic faith doesnt believe these people anymore?

  • blainz

    Vidal has to be reminded that this country was already ruled by the Catholic Church for more than 300 years, and left a legacy of backwardness, illiteracy, and corruption. He and his fellow anti-RH ought to reread their history.

    But what sense can you expect from the man that endorsed the monsignorship of a self-confessed pedophile, and later allowing him (Garcia) to work with boys under his diocese in Cebu?

  • indiosbravos2002

    We are praying but anying can happened. – VIDAL

    Thats not being hopeful. I think he has accepted the fact that the ANTI has lost and he is just waiting for a miracle which is not gonna happen.

  • Ommm

    Now how would an organization with an overwhelming number of child molesting perverts know what God’s will was?

    God’s will may be to lash this country with disaster upon disaster until it comes to it’s senses that following this archaic cult of self proclaimed messengers of His word is a vile outrage of His intentions….

     
    Germany’s Roman Catholic Church revealed  that at least 66 clergy members had been accused of sexually abusing children and adults over a 10-year period, with most of the victims male.

    The Australian Church has confirmed to a parliament inquiry that approximately 620 children have been victims of church officials, including
    priests and church workers. Campaigners insists the true number of
    abuse victims could be up to 10,000 in Australia’s state of Victoria
    alone.

    Philadelphia is unusual in that the archdiocese has been the subject of not one but two grand jury reports. The first, in 2005, found credible accusations of abuse by 63 priests, whose activities had been covered up by the church. But there were no indictments, mainly because the statute of limitations had expired.

    The catholic church faced a new set of damaging allegations in the Netherlands in 2010. Nearly 2,000 people had made complaints of sexual or physical abuse against the church, in a country with only four million Catholics, according to an investigation that issued a report in December 2010.

    In Belgium, after a tumultuous year following the resignation of a Roman Catholic bishop who admitted sexually abusing children, the church agreed to compensate some of the hundreds who claimed that they were also victims of clerics. A report by a commission set up by the church said in 2010 that 13 people were believed to have committed suicide as a result of sexual abuse by clerics.

    This list just goes on forever and doesn’t include USA, Canada or many other places….

  • malek_abdul

    In relation to RH Bill – Article below as per Wikipedia… Its our choice!!!

    Birth control, also known as contraception and fertility control, refers to methods or devices used to prevent pregnancy. Planning and provision of birth control is called family planning. Safe sex, such as the use of male or female condoms, can also help prevent transmission of sexually transmitted diseases. Contraceptive use in developing countries has cut the number of maternal deaths by 44% (about 270,000 deaths averted in 2008) but could prevent 73% if the full demand for birth control were met. Because teenage pregnancies are at greater risk of adverse outcomes such as preterm birth, low birth weight and infant mortality, adolescents need comprehensive sex education and access to reproductive health services, including contraception. By lengthening the time between pregnancies, birth control can also improve adult women’s delivery outcomes and the survival of their children.

     Effective birth control methods include barriers such as condoms, diaphragms, and the contraceptive sponge; hormonal contraception including oral pills, patches, vaginal rings, and injectable contraceptives; and intrauterine devices (IUDs).  Emergency contraception can prevent pregnancy after unprotected sex. Long-acting reversible contraception such as implants, IUDs, or vaginal rings are recommended to reduce teenage pregnancy. Sterilization by means such as vasectomy and tubal ligation is permanent contraception. Some people regard sexual abstinence as birth control, but abstinence-only sex education often increases teen pregnancies when offered without contraceptive education. Non-penetrative sex and oral sex are also sometimes considered contraception.

    Birth control methods have been used since ancient times, but effective and safe methods only became available in the 20th century. For some people, contraception involves moral issues, and many cultures limit access to birth control due to the moral and political issues
    involved. About 222 million women who want to avoid pregnancy in developing countries are not using a modern contraception method. Birth control increases economic growth because of fewer dependent children, more women participating in the workforce, and less consumption of scarce resources. Women’s earnings, assets, body mass index, and their children’s schooling and body mass index all substantially improve with greater access to contraception.

  • panhase

    The Cardinal Vidal said “You know, the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others”.
    And over the centuries the Catholic Church is showing to the Filipino people that this statement of the Cardinal is very true.

  • Hey_Dudes

    If this is the best this retired bishop can hope for, why not just retire all the way enjoy your rocking chair and leave governance to those elected by the people to do what is right for them.

  • mangtom

    Itong si Vidal ay cardinal. Ang cardinal ay isang clase ng ibon. Derpor, what this cone head or cocoo 
    says is for the birds. That’s it. I got the DISCERNMENT. HALLELUIA!!!!

  • Rey Cabague

    Utang na loob Ricardo Vidal! Tantanan nyo na ang sambayanang pilipino! Lumayas na kayo sa Pilipinas at dun nalang kayo sa Vatican magkalat… Tapusin na ninyo ang sinimulan ni Padre Damaso para makausad naman kaming mga Pilipino!

  • Rey Cabague

    Natutuwa naman ako… marami nang Pilipino ang hindi sumasang ayon sa gusto ng simbahan! tapos na ang pang aalipin ng mga Prayle! 

    Mabuhay ang mga bago at matatalinong mga Pilipino!

  • mangtom

    The cardinals (a.k.a. birds), mitsubishops, run of the mill pare, Bishop Rufus predicted before the first reading vote that they had the numbers to clinch the vote. WRONG. Then they made the same claim on the second reading; again-WRONG. Now they are again predicting victory on the final reading. I hope the losing streak will be broken or they will be broken-meaning demeaned and heartbroken. What does this say? May kahinaan ang kanilang abilidad n magpredict.

    Then they will shout all kinds of excuses for their defeat. The lawmakers did not vote according to the teachings of their church, pork, President Aquino, Guadalupe failed them, Calungsod failed them, legislators are immoral (of course, they NEVER heard of members of their own who are pedophiles, ivory smuggler, stealing from the coffers of the church-they are all santo santiti-sorry, santito), pharmaceuticals, Protestantism, ad infinitum.

    Again, as I said, if they win at the end. I will not blame anyone. Take the verdict as a mature individual. Congratulate them. No big deal. If that is how the ball bounces, so be it. Win or lose, it will be God’s will.

  • niap kcen

    let me ask: what is God’s will on the level of your position? i mean, 
    –is it God’s will to invest the church money to banks and business (like the P20B investment of the rcc in BPI), then live in an affluent lifestyle, pretending not to see the poverty of your fellowmen?
    –is it God’s will that you receive payment when doing intercessory prayer for others? and,
    –is it god’s will that instead of disciplining criminals in your ranks, you all try to cover them up, sending them instead to a foreign country so as to escape being jailed.

    claiming and saying that you are parallel to God’s will is hypocritical and purely blatant lie if you cannot give any proof from the Word of God. common, you can do better than kid’s claim.

    • rinom

      for the Spirit searches all things even the depth things of God.

  • mangtom

    Mitsubishops, cardinals na ibon, arsebishops and the foot soldier pare, start praying to the rosary and say, Hail Mary, MOTHER OF GOD. STOP. HOLD IT THERE. God does NOT have a mother. Jesus was born of Virgin Mary. Mary is THE mother of Jesus. You are committing blasphemy is you say, Mary mother of God.
    Hindi ba ang gagaling ninyo sa philosophy? Bakit itong simpleng Philosophy 101 ay hindi ninyo maunawaan?

    • mamer2

      If Mary is the Mother of Jesus (admitted)…,
      And Jesus is GOD..(admitted by many)…,
      then…, 
      Mary is the Mother of GOD.
      (Does the above “fit into your Philosophy 101″..? )

      • niap kcen

        there is a play on words here. if we will accept the syllogism, then, simon, judas, jose, james, and 2 other sisters (mark6:3) can also be “gods” for they are all Jesus brothers and sisters. if i may add: if Mary is God, why should she need Jesus as her Savior in her magnificat written in the gospel of luke (Lk1:46-47)? and it follows that Mary is a sinner herself; and why would a God like her be a sinner?

      • mamer2

        It is only Jesus who is God, because it is God the Father who fathered Jesus. 
        1) No mention or basis for siblings of Jesus, if ever there were any, to be God(s).
        2) Neither is there any mention  or basis of Mary being God.
        Both your conjecture in no.1 & 2 are entirely your own, and has no theological basis.
        If you have to play in words, kindly do it right.
        Further, I do not make comments based on “play of words”.

    • rinom

      alam ninyo po ang salita ay mahiwaga, makapangyarihan at kulang. ibig kong sabihin,,walang salita na hindi foreign sa iba, okay.

    • josefe38

      @mangtom sa mga taong hindi naniniwala sa HOLY TRINITY tama yung sinabi mong analogy. Ngunit sa mga taong naniniwala sa HOLY TRINITY mali ang iyong analogy. Kanya kanyang paniniwala yan, ibig sabihin sa iyong paniniwala tama ka, sa aming mga Katoliko tama kami. Sa makatuwid tama kaming Katoliko ngunit di ko rin masabi na mali ka, yan tinatawag na RESPETO!

  • Mark Philip Wu

    Stupidity yet again. There are dozens of nations with RH laws in effect, so how many of them are like the doomsday scenario that the CBCP and anti-RH people paint? Are they dictatorships? Are they modern day Sodom and Gomorrahs? Has their society broken down into sex crazed nymphos? 

    • rinom

      at sino po ang nagsabi sa iyo na gaganda ang buhay mo kung kakaunti ang tao?

      • Ferofax

        Maayos mo ba ang sirang tubo kung hindi mo patitigilin ang malakas na agos ng tubig? Pareho lang ang prinsipyo nun. Gung gusto natin ng mas maayos na kalidad ng buhay, ayusin muna natin ang buhay ng mga NANDYAN NA, ang mga nangangailangan NGAYON, hindi yung mangangailangan bukas.

    • josefe38

      Ang sagot sa tanong mo ay YES! Titingin ka sa bansang america at europa. Di pa ba matawag na modern Sodom and Gomorrah na magka kindatan lang sa isang okasyon maya-maya makita mo na sila sa sulok at ginawa na ang nais nilang gawin, mapalalaki sa babae o lalaki sa lalaki o babae sa babae.

      • Ferofax

        Nge, eh matagal nang kultura ng Kanluran ang ganun, libong taon na nilang kultura yun… Kahit sa Roma ganun din ang tao, matatawag mo bang Sodom o Gomorrah ang mga lugar na yon?

      • padre_damaso

        oo nga josefe38. At least sa Pilipinas kakain muna sa jollibee bago magmotel.  at least tago ano.  Hindi garapalan.
        Tapos ang mga nahahalal na leader yung tulad ng dating pangulong Erap na, may mga babae outside of marriage. OK lang yun di ba. Di yun Soddom and Gomorrha.  Yung corruption very rampant, din naturingang 80% Christians nation.  You cant feel safe pag umuwi ka ng mga alas nuwebe ng gabi.  Baka maholdap, manakawan or di kaya marape ka pa.  Sa Europa you feel safer.  Bakit kaya?San kaya yung mas malapit sa Soddom and Gomorrah.  Yung Europa ba or PIlipinas?

  • Ferofax

    “…the tendency of man is to impose his own will to others.”

    So, stop imposing your will on others. Who are you, but a man yourself? A man of God, maybe, but a man nevertheless. Let others decide what they will for themselves, or do you not see the wisdom in which God gave man his free will?

  • Islander

    Beware of men who claim they speak for God.  As is most likely going to happen, their claimed will of God coincides with their own will.  

  • mangtom

    josefe38Collapse@mangtom sa mga taong hindi naniniwala sa HOLY TRINITY tama yung sinabi mong analogy. Ngunit sa mga taong naniniwala sa HOLY TRINITY mali ang iyong analogy. Kanya kanyang paniniwala yan, ibig sabihin sa iyong paniniwala tama ka, sa aming mga Katoliko tama kami. Sa makatuwid tama kaming Katoliko ngunit di ko rin masabi na mali ka, yan tinatawag na RESPETO!Sagut: I like your style. Ikaw din ay rinerespeto ko. Maari tayong magdialogue na walang murahan, bastusan at insultuhan. And I would like to keep it that way. I am interested in your explanation because of my having a Protestant background and upbringing, I am a little unable to understand your point of view. Who knows? You might even convert me to Catholicism if you are convincing enough. Biro lang. I was born a Protestant and I will die a Protestant. Sabi nga ng mga English: once an Englishman, always an Englishman.We Protestants also believe in the Trinity-God the Father , God the Holy Ghost and God the Son. Ngayon, explain mo sa akin. God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. Therefore, there was nobody or nothing before Him. Ibig sabihin, nandiyan na siya bago dumating ang Virgin Mary. Then Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus in the manger. So it is hard for me to understand how God who is older than Mary can be His Mother. Ibig sabihin ang anak ay older than the mother, di ba? So to me, it is more accurate to say that Virgin Mary was the mother of Jesus, but not mother of God.

    • josefe38

      Di mo kailangan ang aking paliwanag at di ko rin kailangan ang iyong paliwanag pagdating sa HolyTrinity kapatid. As a Catholic, I believe Holy Trinity as a mystery in theology.
      It lays down that a mystery is atruth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains “hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness”. In other words, our understanding of it remains only partial, even after we have accepted it as part of the Divine message. Through analogies and types we can form a representative concept expressive of what is revealed, but we cannot attain that fuller knowledge which supposes that the various elements of the concept are clearly grasped and their reciprocal compatibility manifest. As regards the vindication of a mystery, the office of the natural reason is solely to show that it contains no intrinsic impossibility, that any objection urged against it on Reason. “Expressions such as these are undoubtedly the score that it violates the laws of thought is invalid. More than this it cannot do.

      The Vatican Council further defined that the Christian Faith contains mysteries strictly so called (can. 4). All theologians admit that the doctrine of the Trinity is of the number of these. Indeed, of all revealed truths this is the most impenetrable to reason. Hence, to declare this to be no mystery would be a virtual denial of the canon in question. Moreover, our Lord’s words, Matthew 11:27, “No one knoweth the Son, but the Father,” seem to declare expressly that the plurality of Persons in the Godhead is a truth entirely beyond the scope of any created intellect. The Fathers supply many passages in which the incomprehensibility of the Divine Natureis affirmed. St. Jerome says, in a well-known phrase: “The true profession of the mystery of the Trinity is to own that we do not comprehend it”. 

      Yan ang tinatawag na FAITH at pag lubusan mo ng maintindihan ang kanyang kapangyarihan dyan na mag-umpisa ang kawalan mo na ng pananampalataya sa KANYA at papasok na sa isp mo na kasing o mas makapangyarihan ka pa sa kanaya. Salamat kapatid mangtom and expect no further reply from my end.

      • Baruk1

        May I join you,
         
        Trinity is not written in the Bible. That is the reason why it is a mystery. (please see my reply to mangtom)

        The Bible is the mind of God in writing. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,  that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (1 Thess 1:3-4)
         
        Get wisdom! Get understanding! Do not forget, nor turn away from the words of my mouth.( Prov 4:5).

        “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. (Prov 9:10)

        ” remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father,  knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God.” (1 Thess 1:3-4)

    • Baruk1

      Trinity not found in Scripture, but used to express the doctrine of the unity of God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr. trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine. —Easton’s Illustrated Dictionary 

      Tertullian and Origen were Catholic theologians who flourished in the last part of the second century and the beginning part of the third. Neither of them was even born until well over a century after the founding of the New Testament Church on the day of Pentecost. They were the ones who laid the foundation of Catholic (and later Protestant) teaching regarding the Trinity and the nature of God—not New Testament Apostles such as Peter, Paul, or John.

       While the Holy Spirit plays a vital role in accomplishing God’s purpose, it is never described as a person in the same way that the Father and Christ are. For instance, in the opening verse of nearly all of Paul’s epistles, there is a greeting similar to one used in Romans 1:7, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, and Philemon all open with an identical phrase. 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus open with a slightly modified version of it. Additionally, 2 Peter, 2 John, and Jude open with similar phrases. The point is, none of the books of the New Testament opens with anything even approaching a Trinitarian greeting, linking the Holy Spirit with the Father and Christ as a separate and distinct personality. 

      Jude, the brother of Jesus Christ by Mary, exhorted the brethren to earnestly contend for the faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3). 

      Jesus Christ when He prayed to the Father “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one”: (John 17:22) 

      A true Christians must not believe in Trinity. Let us focus on the Gospel that Jesus Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. (Mark1:14-15)

      • niap kcen

        i disagree with your reasoning about the holy spirit being not a person, since you skipped all the “proof text” that will contradict all your arguments. let me mention few of the holy spirit personalities –
        –he has mind (rom8:27,34);
        –he searches human mind (1cor2:10);
        –he has a will(1cor12:11);
        –he forbids (acts16:6,7);
        –he permits (acts16:10);
        –he speaks(to philip acts8:29, to peter acts10:19, to elders in antioch acts13:2)
        –he loves (rom 15:30)
        –he grieves (eph4:30)
        –he prays (rom8:26)

        and many more.. if the holy spirit can do what a finite being can do as a person (naturally), then what can you do uniquely that another person cannot?

        your claim – “The point is, none of the books of the New Testament opens with anything even approaching a Trinitarian greeting, linking the Holy Spirit with the Father and Christ as a separate and distinct personality”

        — that is not accurate. do check the baptism of christ (matt3:16,17) where all three person was mentioned; -temptation of christ (matt4:1); -teachings of christ (john14:16, 26); -baptismal formula (matt28:19,20); -apostolic benediction (2cor13:14).. all these texts prove the trinitarian names.. additionally, the Spirit is God as well(Acts 5:3,4; heb 9:14)..

        btw, i suggest that it would be best if you will give specific text of scripture instead of mentioning the entire chapter. it is difficult to verify your supporting verse by reading the entire chapter each time..

      • Baruk1

        Thanks for those verses mentioned that lead to the concept of Trinity established by Catholic Theologian Tertullian and Origen in the second century. The Roman Catholic New Theological Dictionary makes a number of frank admissions in this regard. Concerning the Scriptural teaching on the nature of the Holy Spirit, in its article, “Trinity,” it acknowledges: “As such, the Spirit is never the explicit object of NT worship, nor is the Spirit ever represented in NT discourse as interacting in an interpersonal way with the Father and the Son.”
         
        The Holy Spirit is God’s out-flowing power (Luke 1:35). It is the means by which He created and brought into existence the very universe (Psalm 104:30). It is the power by which He works in the minds of human beings made in His image (Genesis 6:3). It is the power by which the lame miraculously walked, the blind saw, the deaf heard, and the dead were raised during the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ (Luke 5:15–17).
         
        The New Testament Apostles such as Peter, Paul or John did not teach the Trinity concept as a nature of God. Never, because it was never mentioned at all in the Bible.
         
        The Apostles preached the Gospel that Jesus Christ preached, The Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God (Mark1:14-15).
         
        The Apostle Paul told the Romans that we can become “children of God” and “heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ” (Romans 8:14–17). This means we will share, by inheritance, what Jesus Christ has—that is, eternal life (1 Corinthians 15:50–53) and rulership on this earth in the coming kingdom of God (Revelation 5:10). The Bible reveals that human beings were created for the ultimate purpose of becoming part of the family of God (1 John 3:1–4; Hebrews 2:1–11) eventually to rule this earth with Jesus Christ (Revelation 5:10; Daniel 7:27)

        So far the Bible reveals God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ.

      • niap kcen

        there is a lopsidedview in your arguments. firstly, the doctrine of trinity did not originate from origen and tertullian alone. what can be credited to tertullian is the usage of the word “trinity” but trinity itself has been under study and defended by new testament forefathers (like st augustine, thomas aquinas, richard cross) and even taught by john, paul and peter (as opposed with your claims that it was not).. besides, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define trinity doctrine , in response to the controversial teachings of Arius which later became arianism..

        btw, there’s something wrong with the flow of your arguments. you go from trinity doctrine, then support it through doctrines of the holy spirit, then further support it with the dogma of the heirship and inheritance of Christ and the chosen ones.. tsk. with this kind of reasoning, i can conclude that you are not properly reading it.

        again, the trinitarian doctrine was clearly taught in the scriptures as supported by various passages: -baptism of christ (matt3:16,17) where all three person was mentioned; -temptation of christ (matt4:1); -teachings of christ (john14:16, 26); -baptismal formula (matt28:19,20); -apostolic benediction (2cor13:14).. all these texts prove the trinitarian names.. additionally, the Spirit is God as well(Acts 5:3,4; heb 9:14). how will you explain these verses where it is specifically mentioned the three persons of the Godhead?

        additionally, i think you are confused to the doctrine itself. the holy spirit is not an out-flow power or energy of God. you cannot find that anywhere in the Bible. God however is a spirit but in three distinct personalities. i have already listed above, the proofs of the holy spirit ministry “as a person”. for if he is just an energy, how could he exhibits personality behavior as opposed to your claim of being not a person. he could talk, grieve, instruct, love, forbid, pray, will, mind.. what else of a personality you still want just to prove it?

        further, when we talk about theology, best to study His own word, the bible. instead of just referencing it through a “new”catholic dictionary. God existed outside of time, and i believe He knows what is eternal and temporal truth; what is sound and plain heresy; for His own truth existed from eternity to eternity. His words does not need to be updated and revised.

        you started with the notion that the trinity is not taught in the Bible. and non-persona of the Holy Spirit. we can discuss the other dogma if you want, but in the future.

      • Baruk1

        The concept of Trinity has been debatable for around 2000 yrs since the time of Tertulian and Origen and as you said, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define trinity doctrine. After all those years most of the mainstream Christians still don’t understand Trinity. Most gave an answer as “it is a mystery”. Simply because there is no such thing as word Trinity in the Bible. Why waste our precious lifetime trying to prove what is not there. It will only confuse the teaching of the Bible. Let us move forward and focus on Jesus Christ and His teachings.
         
        Jesus Christ preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. (Mark 1:14-15). The Apostles and the early Christians preached the same Gospel (Luke 9:11).
         
        Jesus Christ come for this purpose. But He said to them, “Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also, because for this purpose I have come forth.” (Mark 1:38). “I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent.” (Luke 4:43).
         
        I assumed you are aware why Jesus spoke entirely in parables to all but His inner group of disciples: “And He said to them, ‘To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that “Seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest they should turn, and their sins be forgiven them”‘” (Mark 4:11–12).  Jesus spoke in parables so the general public would not understand! Jesus was not trying to convert the world at that time.
         
        The Apostle Paul wrote: “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them” (2 Corinthians 4:3–4). The god of this evil world, Satan, the devil continue deceiving human being.
         
        In one of Jesus Christ prayer to the Father, “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: (John 17:22).
         
        I wish we have more time to discuss those things for our own benefits.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Bill in ITALY was approved, the pope kept QUIET.
    Why are these Imbecile priests so NOISY?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002286861768 Candle Jack

    You know, we had a time when the church dictated the laws of men…it was called the dark ages.

  • wawangpenoy

    CAN ANYBODY PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.  I AM VERY CONFUSED.

    WHY IS IT THAT IF THE RH BILL FAILS TO PASS IT IS THE WILL OF GOD? AND IF THE RH BILL PASSES, ISN’T IT ALSO A WILL OF GOD? AREN’T ALL THINGS THAT HAPPENS HERE ON EARTH ONLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE GOD WILLED IT? PULLLLLLLEEEEEEASE EXPLAIN AND THANK YOU. I PREFER AN EXPALANATION FROM AN ANTI-RHB MORON.

    ALSO, TO THOSE ANTI-RHB WHO SPEAK SO RIGHTEOUSLY AND WHO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS GODLY, HOW IS FREE WILL FREE WHEN CHOOSING ONE OVER THE OTHER WILL EARN YOU CONDEMNATION AND ETERNAL DAMNATION?

  • disqusted0fu

    hope is lost, at least for the failure of this bill! sadly, power and money talked louder than prayers on this one.



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