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CBCP asks 64 solons to vote vs RH bill

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MANILA, Philippines – Insisting that the reproductive health (RH) bill was “corruption of the soul,” the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines on Saturday issued a pastoral letter urging the 64 members of the House of Representatives, who did not vote on the proposed law, to kill the bill.

Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas, CBCP vice-president, urged the 64 lawmakers to “seek justice for the Filipino people,” adding that the RH Bill was being “gift wrapped to look like a gift for maternal health care” when “it will lead to greater crimes against women.”

“We plead with the sixty-four congressmen who have not voted, to be enlightened and stand up for the Truth. As St. John the Baptist directed the people to justice, we call on you also to seek justice for the Filipino people,” Villegas said.

“The Church teaches us to follow our conscience, the inner sanctuary where we are alone with God, but such conscience must be formed and informed according to the universal values that are common to all human persons. The truth is that to be pro-child, pro-mother and pro-poor, we must resist all threats against them,” he said.

“This is justice. Stand up for it; defend it; do not be swayed by worldly pressures, and be the champion of the people who voted for you. God knows and sees what you are doing, he added.

Villegas issued the pastoral statement on behalf of CBCP president and Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma, who is in Vietnam attending the general assembly of the Federation of Asian Bishops Conferences.

“On behalf of the President of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, I reiterate the collective discernment of the Philippine bishops that the RH Bill if passed into law can harm our nation. Contraception corrupts the soul,” Villegas said.

“The RH Bill is being gift-wrapped to look like a gift for maternal health care. It is not so. It will lead to greater crimes against women,” he added.

Villegas said the poor were also being taken for a ride when RH bill proponents promise them a better life.

“The poor are being promised a better life through the RH Bill. It will not be so. The poor can rise from their misery through more accessible education, better hospitals and lesser government corruption,” Villegas said.

“Money for contraceptives can be better used for education and authentic health care,” he added.

He also said that the youth were being made to believe that sex before marriage “is acceptable provided you know how to avoid pregnancy.”

“Is this moral? Those who corrupt the minds of children will invoke divine wrath on themselves,” Villegas said.

He said the RH bill, if passed into law in its present form, would “put the moral fibre of our nation at risk.”

“As we your bishops have said in the past, a contraceptive mentality is the mother of an abortion mentality. The wide and free accessibility of contraceptives, even to the youth, will result in the destruction of family life and in greater violence against women,” Villegas said.

He said the CBCP lauded the 104 congressmen and women who voted against the bill, saying “voted courageously, despite all pressures, to stand up for what is right and true.”

“The Church will remember you as the heroes of our nation, those who have said no to corruption and who care for the true welfare of the people, especially the poor. May you continue to be steadfast and not waiver in your stand against moral corruption,” Villegas said.

“We admonish the Filipino Catholic faithful to share with those who have less this Christmas, but also share in praying that our congressmen and women will be faithful to their call to serve the true interests of the Filipino people,” he said.

“This means upholding life, saying no to contraception which is corruption, and being faithful to the Christ Child who was pro-woman, pro-child and pro-poor,” Villegas added.


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  • Aris Kalayaan

    The CBCP’s continued criticism against RH Bill only alienate them to the people they vow to serve.  It also exposes their inability to take real action to help those who are in need.  Taking care of the spiritual needs of the faithful is not enough if you have the capability to help others physically.  Although there are parishes serving the needs of the poor in the community, most bishops stay comfortably in their palaces.  That’s why they don’t know what’s the real situation in their communities.  What happens to their priestly vow of poverty?  The late Archbishop Oscar Romero was quoted saying “We must not seek the child Jesus in the pretty figures of our Christmas cribs.  We must seek him among the undernourished children who have gone to bed at night with nothing to eat, among the poor newsboys who will sleep covered with newspapers in doorways.”

    • xrisp

      Who do you think are alienated with this stand of the CBCP  on the RHB? You and those who are misled to believe that the RHB will be good for this country.

      • sanjuan683

        hahahaha sa amin very good for the country, sa inyo ewan ko, kung ayaw ninyo eh magnatural rythm na lang kayo. hehehehehe nariyan naman si Obispo hugot at pari hugot. hahahahaha tanggapin na ninyo ang pagkatalo ninyo wala na kayo kuwenta sa Pinas. hahahahahahaha

      • xrisp

        Bakit kung matalo ba ibig sabihin inaprubahan ng Diyos yan? Maunawaan mo sana na ang Dios ay puedeng hayaan yan na mangyari para makita ng tao ang kasamaan na niyayakap nila at maunawaan sa takdang panahon na mali ang kinakapitan nilang pagasa at maunawaan nila sa takda ring panahon na sa pagsunod lang sa kalooban ng Diyos matatagpuan ng tao ang tunay na pagasa.

      • pej1972

        CBCP is alienating all tax paying Filipino citizens like me, as our representatives in Congress are being bullied and threatened by the Church. Am sick and tired of the non tax paying Church meddling with state affairs! 

      • xrisp

        Do you have a new and better argument?

      • brunogiordano

        “You and those who are misled to believe that the RHB will be good for this country.”

        WOW!! Kung magsalita parang totoo na may pagmamahal kayo atin bayan.

        Akala ninyo hindi namin alam na kayo ay ALIPIN ng VATICAN na sunusunuran lang sa mga utos nito.

      • boldyak

        at alam ko naman na nandito kayo para sirain lang ang Catholic Religion…

      • Guest

         The Catholic religion destroyed already other cultures and religions and now it destroys itself.

      • observer_din

        sirang-sira na po ang catholic religion, sinira ng mga BISHITS na nanghingi ng SUV ke GLORIA, at ng mga katulad ni Garcia na smuggler na ng IVORY eh rapist pa ng mga kabataan… hindi na kailangang sirain ng ibang tao ang RCC, mga pari at BISHITS ang sumira sa RCC.

      • pej1972

        Look around you, wag lang dito sa Pilipinas. Hindi na kailangang sirain ang RC Church. Sila na mismo sumisira sa sarili nila.

      • Aris Kalayaan

        Don’t be a hypocrite.  We all know that majority of educated middle class or even upper class Catholic couples used or are using contraceptives; even those active members of Catholic organizations.  And those majority are the ones helping the poor members of the community who don’t used or ignorant about contraceptives.

      • xrisp

        Tama ka maraming Katoliko ang gumagawa ng sinasabi mo. Sa tingin mo ba kahit sa sekta nyo lahat ay mabait o siento porsiento sumusunod o iniintindi ang faith nila. Totoong maraming Katoliko ang di nagaaral ng kanilang pananampalataya kaya marami silang di nauunawaan. Problema nila yun sa sarili nila pero hindi ibig sabihin na mali ang Simbahan. Ang Simbahan ay di magbabago at mananatiling tapat sa kanyang tungkulin sa pagpapalaganap ng pananampalataya. Ang tao lang ang nagbabago.

      • Aris Kalayaan

        I am a liberal Catholic and will remain so no matter how corrupt or  insensitive to the fate of the poor the church leadership has because i also believe that the church will remain as it is.  The CBCP’s stand against RH bill is mere rhetoric if they continue to aligned themselves with corrupt politicians and continue to neglect the poor.  They can more effectively counter RH bill if they go out of their palaces and teach the faithful especially the poor responsible parenthood using natural family planning method.  Here is another quote from the late Archbishop Oscar Romero: ”The poor have shown the church the true way to go. A church that does not speak out from the side of the poor is not the true church of Jesus.”

      • xrisp

        You are deceiving yourself brod. There’s no such thing as liberal Catholic. Only misguided Catholic will understand you. Talk to a priest asap for your enlightenment.

      • Aris Kalayaan

        A self-righteous and self-serving comments like yours won’t do any good unless you can offer a real  alternative solution to the problems the RH bill want to address.  And it is the misguided leadership of the CBCP that are dividing the church.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    HOW DARE CBCP to DICTATE lawmakers WHAT to VOTE—–This BEHAVIOR of CBCP SHOWS their TRUE INTENTIONS?——-POWER—-
    Instead of HELPING PABLOs victims in Mindanao,–CATHOLIC CLERGY are BUSY INTERFERING with POLITICS—-
    CBCPs REPUTATION is INDID in TRASH—-

    • xrisp

      1. Is the CBCP dictating or just appealing?
      2. Why not put the billions intended for RHB to the Mindanao victims!
      3. Is it bad to remind the govt on the moral issue of the RHB?
      4. With all your bitterness, you’re indeed the trash!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SAS5EA3XCKC7Z3D7ODUHO2KFE lone ranger

        Why not put your billions of tax free money to mindanao victims if you really are for pro-life? Priests and Bishops went to congress same day of 2nd voting are you just appealing or dictating?Intimidating by presence, Telling lawmakers about Catholic votes in coming election? We are on a circus here and your telling us this is just appealing not dictating?Is it morally acceptable to see “paslit” on the street because they were product of ignorance on safe sex?You’re replying on every single comment here and your telling us we are bitter? Did you use your brain every time hit the reply  button?

      • boldyak

        “Is it morally acceptable to see “paslit” on the street because they were product of ignorance on safe sex?”….so the solution is to give free condoms….hahaha…okay lang makipag sex basta safe….hahaha…pede ba makilala kapatid mo na babae?…wag ka mag-alala may condom akong dala palagi…bwahahahaha…ingat ka sa paglakad baka maapakan mo ang moralidad mo…kung meron man…bwahahaha…pero maganda ba sister mo?…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SAS5EA3XCKC7Z3D7ODUHO2KFE lone ranger

        Why do people think RH Bill as gateway for sex?Think outside the box, This is a typical answer from stereotypes like you or your just plain ignorant, Don’t play that morality card here because last time i check there are millions people who doesn’t have food,shelter and basic needs, Its not a surprise those families im talking about are the ones living in the slumps with 5-10 children, Even if you don’t admit it these people cannot control themselves multiplying and one simple way of preventing  it is by using contraceptives, Probably your still living in a cave, Wake up this is 21st Century, So these parents with hundreds of kids are moral because they don’t use contraceptives and you would rather see kids without access to basic needs and call yourself moral? someone shoot me please.

      • xrisp

        Eh kung bulag ka na sa paninindigan mo eh sino pa nga ba ang makakapag paunawa sa iyo. Hawakan mo ang paniniwala mo at ganun din ako.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SAS5EA3XCKC7Z3D7ODUHO2KFE lone ranger

        You keep on hitting the reply button on every single comment here and you gonna tell me “Hawakan mo ang paniniwala mo at ganun din ako”?

        This is why you Anti-RH are losing, Instead of using your brain your resorting to because God said it, because the church said it, because the priest said it, because we are catholic, you are going to hell when you vote the rh bill, etc,If you were born a muslim are you gonna sing the same tune here?

        If you want to get respect then learn how to show respect.

      • xrisp

        Who is not respecting others? Tingnan nyo ang mga komento dito sa comment section na ito at suriin nyo kung sino ang di marunong gumalang sa kapwa nya. Imulat mo lang ang isisp mo.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SAS5EA3XCKC7Z3D7ODUHO2KFE lone ranger

        Every person has the right to express their opinion, Opinion doesn’t necessarily means it is right, This is why i told you to learn how to show respect, I have been lurking this website for years now and this is not the first time i saw people bashing each other with regards to issues like this, But i don’t care what people say/post here since it is their opinion and it is their right to post and express it here but that doesn’t mean that they were right.

        I am a Catholic and support RH Bill, My eyes are wide open just like my mind, I don’t base my judgement only because of emotions,beliefs, or because by religion.

      • xrisp

        Now I will tell you to examine more yourself. You are no longer a Catholic by just saying here your last statement. I will not argue with you but its time for you to talk to a priest of our Church. Have you done that even once in your life? Or you just so confident of your wide open eyes and mind? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2SAS5EA3XCKC7Z3D7ODUHO2KFE lone ranger

        I don’t really care that much if im catholic or not, i don’t need religion to communicate with God, I only need faith to save me, Why do i need to talk to man wearing white robe and call them priest?What’s the difference of a priest and me? I was born and raise as a catholic, nothing new go to church every sunday take communion, listen to priest, however growing up and having access to education enables me to think critically and not just rely on what the church telling me, I have been answering all your question but what about my question?

        If you were not born in Philippines and have different religion, Do you think you will still preach the same thing?

        Religion divides human race, divide and conquer, believe it or not, accept it or not i don’t care because that is your belief, that’s what your mom and dad told you, that’s what your priest told you, that’s what the bishops told you, that’s what the majority people surrounding you told you,Those so called priest,pope,saints are nothing but ordinary people like you don’t forget that but nothing wrong with that, Using God’s name to justify your case is definitely wrong, No one knows what really God wanted us to be.

      • xrisp

        It only shows now that you are really misguided. If you’re saying that “NO ONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY GOD WANTED US TO BE”  then you really do not understand the faith you’re talking about that will save you. I will cite some of what God wanted us to be: (1.) God wants us to be holy. (2.) God wants us to be perfect (3.) God wants us to put our total trust in HIm and so many others.  How can a faith that is not sure of what God wants save you? If I were you, I’ll talk asap to priest.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        xrisp—NONESENSE—-CBCP have to guide for MORAL values—-But their BEHAVIOR OPPOSE all the VALUES they STAND FOR—–

      • xrisp

        Owhs…ano ba kulto mo na mukhang punong puno ng moral values?

    • sanjuan683

      oo nga mga sira na ulo nila ayaw tumanggap ng pagkatalo at nanakot pa Catholic vote hehehehehe karamihan sa mga pumabor ay mga katoliko din. Pinag-aaway  ng taga cbcp ang kanila mga miembro. hahahahahahahaha nabuwang na sila

  • marcos_hitler_diktador_tuta

    Ang kulit talaga ng mga bishops na to.

    It is all about choice. If the people decide to or not to, thats what the RH Bill is all about.

    To be enlightened, please read the bill. It is not what the priests and bishop say it is. They are lying.

    • xrisp

      Examine yourseld instead. You’r the one beguiled by the tempter! Walk in the light!

      • observer_din

        You walk in the light. The bishops are inflicting frear to the people, saying lies which doesnt exist, like ABORTION,GAY MARRIAGE,DIVORCE and other things which are not included in the bill. PLEASE SHOW US PROOF OF YOUR LIES, CITE WHICH PART OF BILL DOES THOSE LIES EXISTS?

      • boldyak

        the change in morality in Filipinos is pointing in that direction…taga mo sqa bato ang susunod na bills jan na lahat…

      • observer_din

        Jumping to conclusion kasi kaagad kayo, pero sa mga  sinabi ko isa lang ang gustong mangyari ng maraming pari, ang SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.. they’re all waiting for it.. hahahahaa

      • xrisp

        Are you not sesitive enough that this RHB is embracing a culture of death. No respect at all for the dignity of humanity. After all the degradation of morality, what will not be accepted by this people? by this govt? What’s next that cannot be easily accepted by this degenerated society – abortion, divorce, same sex marriage, and other evils. Pray. Pray hard for enlightenment!

    • sanjuan683

      Kailangan sa mga bishop pukpukin ng maso ang mga ulo. Talo na sa botohan ayaw pa tanggapin. Hindi tumatanggap ng pagkatalo ang mga unggoy na bishop at pari ito. Wala na tapos na panahon ninyo.

    • boldyak

      then why the tax i will pay will be paid for the condoms and be given to the irresponsible manyaks…do you think people now have no choice…have you heard of the government agency named “Population Comision”?…they are responsible in educating people regarding population control…it has been there even the time of Marcos…Now this RH Bill will give free contraceptives, which was not part of the mandate of Population Comision…and therefore the main purpose of this RH bIll is to geive free contraceptive under the guise of Health Bill…bakit ako magbabayad ng condom nagagamitin ng irresposableng manyakis?…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Law was passed in ITALY.  The pope kept QUIET. Why are these immature Imbeciles so Noisy?

    • reddfrog

      Because the local Catholic Church wants political power. They want to show politicians that they can muster votes. So it will be easier for them to get their SUVs or whatever they want.

      • observer_din

        nice one

    • Guest

       The pope keeps always quiet. In the Vatican, it is all behind doors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

    Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas, CBCP vice-president, urged the 64 lawmakers to “seek justice for the Filipino people,” adding that the RH Bill was being “gift wrapped to look like a gift for maternal health care” when “it will lead to greater crimes against women.”

    …but for millions of boys violated by priests around the world..which is a fact!   Which is more greater..women bearing boys only to be violated by priests someday in their prepubescent and teenage years and suffer all their lives in silence? So, which one is more greater crime than that?

    We will do a better justice for women and children who can`t avail of this services due to poverty, and lack of reproductive education and protection for themselves hence they were like factories producing more babies to a point that they can`t feed them already and just allow them to beg in the streets or sell their souls just to make ends meet, that`s a fact. Is that jsutice to them?

    Women of high education, with money to spare already uses a de facto RH planning and maybe shocking for the priests but their doing it, and taking no chances to the so called withdrawal technique and isntead uses condom, etc. So inequality is apparent here and must be corrected to educate the poor….one way or another the kids of the poor will rebel against society, their family, their government not knowing what they were rebeling for….by robbing other people, killing, kidnapping, taking drugs of all kinds including rugby just to keep them off from thinking why their family is like that, why their family did not exercise family planning, why others have toys and others are playing and studying happily in the school, and them don`t, where to get food for their hungry stomach…who naturally eat once or twice only per day to share the food for a 12 children of a poor family and worse living in the street open to the elements that some parents and strangers alike will take advantage for child sex trafficking, selling kidney organs, used by gangs for crimes such as pickpocketing and snatching leading to death of some victims and juveniles suspects alike and begging or how a salary as a garbage sorter in Payatas can give a large family of a better future without an enabling law that will be followed by the central and local governments unlike when there is none and simply hidden in other enabling law, the law are made redundant in order to protect from abuse and without enabling law such as RH poor populations can only be used for poltical mileage and after that…..forgotten lot…… example of that is “the bangkang papel of GMA” in her state of the nation address before, and some other politicians giving relief goods with their names on it asking for their votes in the comming election.

    By voting RH, congressmen are definitely stating that they are not taking advantage of the poor people for political mileage. That they are genuinely thinking of their future to plan their families and help the government plan the allocation of the budget to uplift individual poor families predictably to help them succeed more.

    • Guest

       As far as I know the “withdrawal technique” is also discouraged by the Roman Catholic Church.

  • pej1972

    Does it mean that European countries with RH law are anti child, anti-mother and anti-poor?

    • Guest

      RH aside, the European countries have much less infant, maternal mortality and poverty rates than the Philippines. Hence, the question to the other side: European countries are anti child, anti mother and anti-poor?

  • AllaMo

    Sadl, the bishops’ collective discernment does not, cannot, even cross dogma. In the advent season, it is well to dwell on the truth that The Christ spurned dogma to do the Father’s will.  

  • reddfrog

    Corruption of the soul? What about rape, pedophilia, and political patronage?

    • brunogiordano

      Ang pedophilia sin ay forgivable s VATICAN, ang pagamit contraceptives at condoms
      ay hindi.

      Kaya ang sabi ni CARDINAL MARTINI ang moral na sinusunod ng VATICAN ay 200 years behind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YAU43R25CAHGNYPHE6HLAM3V6Y Benjamin

    hinde kayang tanggapin ng mga paring ito na hinde nila kayang diktahan ang kasalukuyang gobyerno..iginigiit nila na ang kagustuhan ng kaparian ay kagustuhan rin ng mga katoliko…nasanay sila na  sa mga nakalipas na administrasyon kaya nilang paikutin sa kanilang mga kamay ang mga namumuno sa gobyerno..ngayon hinde nila kayang tanggapin na sinusuwag sila ng isang presidente na walang pakialam kung sino ang masasagasaan maipatupad lamang ang sa kanyang pananaw ay para sa kabutihan ng bayan….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WWZMSQ4Z74QJUPXFOMEKD6KKFM kronos

    This is what I hate about the Catholic Church in Philippines—they meddle in the affaira of the government—modern day Padre Damasos.

    • Guest

       ”they meddle in the affaira of the government”

      Washington, D.C. is not better.

    • boldyak

      they don’t meddle, they lobby…they don’t decide, they convince the one deciding, it is up to the congressmen…they don;t make laws, they influence if they can…if they are meddling, the business sectors, and like should also be meddling…your commnet is to misinform others to hate the CBCP..

      • Guest

         If the bishops are allowed to lobby, then the other side is also allowed to lobby. That is the way in this democracy.

      • pej1972

        Ang mga pari ay ambassador ng Vatican state, in effect pag pari ka, your loyalty is sa Vatican.

  • huewei

    The RH vote: ‘I am not against life, I am against ignorance!’
    REP. EMMELINE AGLIPAY 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN VS MEDICAL SCIENCE SINO ANG NAG SASABI NG TOTOO” CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN AND CARNIVAL TAGLE EXTREMIST TERRORIST”’ R.H BILL IS GOOD TO THE NATION”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    And so the CBCP resorts to it’s usual tactics: lies and misinformation.

    As a Catholic living under the CBCP, I now know how liberal Americans living under George W. Bush must have felt.

  • brunogiordano

    “Is this moral? Those who corrupt the minds of children will invoke divine wrath on themselves,” Villegas said.

    Sangayon kay CARDINAL MARTINI ang moral na sinusunod ninyo ay OBSOLETE at PASSÉ na. 200 years behind.

    Sa katunayan majority ng katoliko ngayon ay mga Progressive/Liberal thinking at hindi na naniniwala sa inyong mga conservative/fundamentalist moral.

    At ‘yan ang paniwala ng karamihan sa 64 congressman na inyong hinihimuk.

    • boldyak

      that is the reason why bishops dont want the RH Bill, this will even more lower the morality of the people…

      • Guest

         At the end, it is everyone’s choice how s/he wants to live.

      • pej1972

        As if mataas naman ang moralidad ng kaparian ng Simbahang Katoliko.

  • blainz

    For supposedly moral people, these bishops are full of lies and hypocrisy.

    “…lead to greater crimes on women.”

    I guess turning women into breeding sows is not as bad as them taking the pill, eh?

    “The poor are being promised a better life through the RH Bill.”

    Huh? The poor are only being provided with a choice they couldn’t otherwise afford, with a standard of service set uniformly across all heath centers nationwide, not under the whims of mayors (like the Opus Dei-addled Lito Atienza).

    “made to believe that sex before marriage is acceptable… put the moral fibre of our nation at risk.”

    This is just fantastic. As if premarital sex isn’t happening right now with more than three centuries of this country imbibing Catholic dogma. Search Google for sex scandals on prominent Catholic schools to see just how effective the Church has been on that front.

    Oh and about those pedophile priests the bishops still hide? That counts as premarital sex too. And rape. Some moral fiber there…

    If the CBCP is going to be this shrill with legislators, non-Catholics should give their say and tell Congress they’re supposed to represent ALL Filipinos, not just Catholics, and definitely not the bigoted Catholics.

    • boldyak

      so let us not make women breeding cows but sex machines….hahaha…i’d rather select the breeding cow than tha sewx machine…hahahaha

      • Guest

        “so let us not make women breeding cows but sex machines….hahaha…i’d
        rather select the breeding cow than tha sewx machine…hahahaha”

        I thought women were humans?

      • blainz

        With your charm and wit, of course your choice is limited to bovines.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

        boldyak mistook your ‘sow’ for a typo so he said ‘cow’. Short on vocabulary, short on logic.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/K5OTMJ6SX4FCDQRJCH5WUDZT24 Stephen

         Is the Church so desperate as to hire someone like “boldyak” to be its voice of reason?!? The Catholic Church I know has stooped so low as to use it’s influence to harass and pressure the 64 solons who have not voted for or against the HR Bill. 

    • boldyak

      every body now has a choice….just make the poor more responsible so that they can afford the choice they will take…why doyou want me to spend for their condoms, why is my tax being paid for their irresponsible acts???? where is my choice as to where my paid tax go?.

      • Guest

        “where is my choice as to where my paid tax go?.”

        Since ever you never had a choice as a single citizen. The state is not (unfortunately) run like a company. The congress debates and then decides the national budget.

      • boldyak

        and therefore i have no choice but to see the goverment spend my paid tax for the condoms of the irresponsible manyaks who can’t buy condoms…oh my!!..and when i see tons of condoms in the estero of manila, I could proudly say…ohhh!, there goes my tax!

      • Guest

        “and therefore i have no choice but to see the goverment spend my paid tax”

        That’s the current (tax) system. Your tax is in the hands of parliamentarians and government, if you want so. Regardless of RH position, that’s the reality.

        Tell me when people could have decided where the tax goes?

        Can the people in, for example, Negros just say, don’t send tax to MRT/LRT which only benefits the NCR people?

        Taxes sometimes go to the pockets of officials.

  • brunogiordano

    “This means upholding life, saying no to contraception which is corruption, and being faithful to the Christ Child who was pro-woman, pro-child and pro-poor,” Villegas added.

    “liar liar pants on fire”

    • boldyak

      you have to justify in saying that it is a lie, do you think your wisdom is more acceptable than these Bishops?…ask the bishop saying no to RH bill is to upohold life, pro-woman, pro-child and pro-poor…unless you asked them and listened to them, you wisdom is nothing compared to theirs…ang babaw ng pananaw mo…

      • Guest

        Bishops are not wise ex officio!

      • observer_din

        we’ve been listening to them during masses, pero talagang masyado mababaw ang panakot nila, kaya hirap silang mangumbinsi, hindi sila matalino, mga TUSO sila.

      • panhase

        Bishops are men, just men. Nothing more like any othr man in this country. So stop acting as if they are special, as if they know more than other men. They rae not pro-women. not pro-poor, maybe they are pro-child but for other reasons as you think.

  • $23228448

    its time to take these bishops on a fishing trip….oops didn’t know there was a typhoon coming 

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    What a desperate move to ask all of them to vote in your favor. This is a shameless intervention. Will these bishops leave the government alone?

    • boldyak

      so lobbying in conngress is a shameless intervention?…haha

      • observer_din

        hindi na kailangan pumunta dito si PAPA para maipakita ang pagkontra nya, saka nga pala me pinalabas bang pastoral letter ang POPE comdemning the RH Bill?? parang walang balita, ibig sabihin kumikilos ang mga BISHITS on their own?

      • observer_din

        yes, dapat nakita ng mga BISHITS yun, dahil wala sila business sa pamamalakad ng gobyerno.

  • JosengSisiw1

    I cannot comprehend why these Pinoy CHURCHMEN keep on tieing up the RH bill to God and religion. Even the pope is not campaiging against it. All developed countries around the world have if not the same RH laws. These Pinoy CHURCHMEN should focus their energy on teaching people how to live with dignity and teach them how to eleviate from poverty. We have this draconian poverty problem because these PiCHUMEN keeps on fooling the catholics about the God’s words, misinterpreted by the old church in the medieval era to control the ignorants. It’s time for these PiCHUMEN to realized that God will not like to have hungry, ignorant, prostitues & almost useless non productive people in his flocks, all of it were result of extreme poverty.

    • boldyak

      hahaha….ano gusto mo punta ang Pope dito para jakita mo na against sya sa contraceptives?…hayyyy grabe naman pag-iisip nyo…

      • observer_din

        hindi na kailangan pumunta dito si PAPA para maipakita ang pagkontra nya,doon pa lang sa VATICAN dapat nag-ingay na sila para walang ganitong batas na naipatupad doon.Saka nga pala me pinalabas bang pastoral letter ang POPE comdemning the RH Bill?? parang walang balita, ibig sabihin kumikilos ang mga BISHITS on their own?

      • JosengSisiw1

        ikli naman ng pag-iisip mo. he doesn’t need to go here.. he can just comment…have you heard any comment from the Pope…let me know if he has…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FQQPZLNOMD2EBFTHSWOP6QGZWY Marshall

    malapit na ANG BERTDEY nung isang BISHOP,,nakalimutan ko na ang pangalan…walang wentang tao kase eh……SUV,,SUV,,,SUV,,,,happy bertdey BISHOP….

  • mulanay

    These mitsubishops must really be missing the corrupt Gloria Arroyo regime. They are rally so shameless. 

    • boldyak

      hahaha…napasama na naman si Gloria..as usual….hahaha

      • observer_din

        kasi related ang mga BISHITS ke gloria, nakalimutan mo na yung mga SUV?? laging magkadugtong yan GLORIA =corrupt , CBCP=corrupted by Gloria.

      • pej1972

        Of course, Gloria is synonymous sa RCC, as RCC is instrumental sa pagkakaroon ng Edsa Dos. RCC is also quiet sa malawakang pandaraya kay FPJ.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JL7VPEQO24RIJTEJTPXJWTIAQA romel

    Mga pakialamiro kayo….. noong garapalan ang kurapsyon sa panahon ni Gloria tahimik kayo!!! MGA ______ KAYO!!!

    • boldyak

      so ngayon na garapalan naman ang corruption kayo naman tatahimik?….haha

      • Guest

         Were you silent during GMA’s corrupt years just because she never pushed through the RH bill?

      • boldyak

        you still have to put GMA in jail to prove she is corrupt,,,

      • Guest

        “GMA’s corrupt years” is not (only) referred to her person specifically.

      • observer_din

        saan  corruption ngayon? sino ba ang binigyan at nanghingi ng mga sasakyan sa gobyerno noong panahon ni gloria? Imbes na naitulong  pa sana iyon sa mga mahihirap hiningi pa ng mga bishops.Bakit tahimik kayo noon,dahil ba natapalan ng pera at sasakyan ang mga kagalang-galang na obispo?

  • opinyonlangpo

    Pro or anti RH Bill, the CBCP should let the lawmakers vote on the bill based on their conscience and not through coercions. After all it will still be the government who will be responsible for their actions and still the taxpayers who are going to pay for its budget.

    • boldyak

      who is being coerced?…congressman are being coerced to vote for the RH bill otherwise walang pork barrel…yan ang coerced….

      • Guest

         ”…congressman are being coerced to vote for the RH bill other walang pork barrel”

        Pure speculation.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Never heard of such case if you see which ones are not receiving their pork barrel, many of them are against the president but stil they get their pork barrel. If I may add, the CBCP is trying to blackmail the lawmakers in exchange for the safety from the threat of imaginary ‘catholic vote’ myth.

  • mangtom

    The stubbornness of the cone head mitsubishops indicates only one thing: Their so-called prayer is not a prayer. It is a COMMAND to God through their wooden and ivory gods or saints. They are not taking NO for an answer to their so-called prayer. A prayer is a plea. By insisting that they continue to harass, intimidate, threaten and bully the lawmakers by ex-communication and other silly punishment, they continue to meddle in politics. The CBCP was is what they are COMMANDING their god to listen to. To them, NO  is not an option even if that is what their god is saying in answer to their prayer. 

    I feel violated by these doggone priests. I am not a catoloko and they have no business telling me through the government what is moral and not. I decide myself. I do not need a pedophile, rapist, liars, stealers, to tell me what is right from wrong. 

    Victims of these hooded criminals should be prosecuted for their crimes against young boys and girls. In the US, prosecution has caused the Catoloco church to pay restitution to their victims in hundreds of millions of dollars. 

    I am hoping that a victim should start filing for damage claims. Once we get one case going, the others will follow. Let us hit these cone heads where it hurts-their coffers. Jail time should also be included. There are non-catoloko lawyers who will handle the case. 

    • boldyak

      hanggang ngayon iniisip mo na ang god namin ay kahoy?….hahahaha….di kataka taka ang mga pag-iisip nyo….

      • observer_din

        are you referring sa mga statues ng RCC?Hindi nga kahoy yun, alam ko gawa sa IVORY? hehehe

  • ODAPAIN

    bishops should run for election and pay taxes,preaching love for God is no longer a priority”.Saying no to contraception which is corruption” ,my oh my ! who came up with that ?.Is contraception anywhere in the Bible

    • boldyak

      that is “moral corruption”…kaya pala pabor ka sa RH bill, di marunong umintindi….sana gumamit ng condom tatay mo noong ginawa ka…hahaha

  • SAN

    So out of touch with the real sentiments of the people. Real backlash of such desperate “appeals” of the CBCP is a further  weaning away from the increasingly-irrelevant Catholic church in the Philippines.

    • Guest

       ”So out of touch with the real sentiments of the people.” That is not limited to the top hierarchy of the clergy. Whoever is on top, s/he will face thin air.

  • etomacq

    Ano ba pinagkaiba ng RH Bill sa Magna Carta Law for Women and Family Planning na matagal nang batas sa Pilinas?? Bakit RH Bill ang pinondohan? Sino sino ba ki-kick back sa paglustay ng gobyerno sa Bilyong Piso na gagastusin sa pagbili ng Condom at Pampalaglag? RH Bill ba talaga ang mag-aahon sating bansa sa kahirapan???? Malaking Kalokohan!!!! Mga korakot na opisyal ng gobyerno ang nagpapahirap sa ating bansa!

    • boldyak

      kasi magkaroon nag bilihan ng contraceptives ang government….babaha ang used condoms sa estero ng manila…

      • etomacq

        Ayos yan.  tonetoneladang condom ang mahahakot ng MMDA sa mga baradong estero.

        Tuturuan pa ng gobyerno ang mga menor de edad na ok lang maki pag sex as long as gumamit lang sila ng condom at gamot na pampalaglag. Tama yan. Yan ang Tuwid na daan.

      • observer_din

        me gamot pampalaglag pa talaga eh.. abortion yata yun brod, wala sa RH bill yun.

      • pej1972

        Exaggerated ang tonetonelada mong sinasabi!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D37WZ2JMEQUZR4QG74FRVXUJFQ John

    Tax the Church so the Gov’t will have money to educate those children.

    • boldyak

      or have more money to buy condoms and give to irresponsible manyaks…

      • observer_din

        RH BILL is not all about condom, you’re too DENSE.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D37WZ2JMEQUZR4QG74FRVXUJFQ John

        Tama.. Its all about educating our women to get control of reproduction. Whatever they use. its on their free choice.. Not only what the church wants them to use.. Free choice to what is effective for them.

  • buttones

    Methinks the bishops are running scared- Surely they know that the vast majority of their flock, having been taught to adhere strictly to the doctrines of the Church are just simply going to ignore the Bill anyway and just keep on breeding? Seems to me the bishops have lost faith in what they teach……

    • boldyak

      it is your opinion…and who cares?

      • Guest

         will anyone care for anyone’s opinion here, regardless of the position to RH bill? This is just an insignificant chat section or better a kindergarten where many here, from both sides, seem to be so sadomasochistic and it seems that many here simply have put their brains somewhere-else before they log in.

      • observer_din

        WOW TALINO!!

      • buttones

        The most important person there is cares…it’s me actually.. And not only that my opinion was worthy of your time as well- was it not?

      • ARIKUTIK

        Tickling opinions ? like flipping readers digest’s “Laughter the best medicine” Hilarious alright ….. nice day of holiday season ….. weeeeee >>>>>>>>>>>

    • ARIKUTIK

      Methinks the bishops are not scared, they are not allowed to marry anyway. The scary scenario is when RH bill is passed. There will be a never ending war between good and evil. Since, RH law is involve with powers to imprison anyone who contradicts then the govt. must build prison house for all bishops, priest, laymen and kind hearted people who will protect the poor from poisonous RH pills. If the Abnoy pres. can combat that battle then let him push the bill. He is already warned. First cassualty > all liberal party members will bunk comes election time. The Bishops have 5 months to lunch the seige. After that, it will be defiance againts RH bill. Pres. Abnoy be ready to imprison all the Bishops, there is no fear of human law in their heart. The soldiers of the Lord will fight with out fear.

  • quirinomayer

    These Padre Damasos are violating the teachings of Christ. Jesus would not do what they are doing now.  He never manifested any interest in politics not had he tried to intervene in government affairs. Were he here now, he would not oppose the RH Bill because that is a government matter, not a spiritual concern.  In John 18:38, Jesus said  “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.” And in Mark 12:17, he said “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

    These Damasos are not fighting for the Filipino people but for their continuing domination of this country.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Sana mag basa basa or observe sana iyong iba dyan,kun anong nangyayari sa iba ibang culture sa buong mundo….huwag maging sakim sa material or fleeting things lang.
    Kami dito sa abroad are very proud kung sumagot na “90% percent of Filipinoes are Christians..ngunit kung ganyan na lang ang maging asal backhome,kahiyaan na rin.
    Isa pang ipinagmalaki natin ay ang closeness natin,pagdating sa pamilya/relatives…ngunit kung maging batas ang RH Bill (kahit na redundant na ito)  maaring mabuwag/mawalan ng respeto within that nucleus.
    Pagkakaalam natin na dati na tayong may Family Planning Program noon.Ito na lang sana ang dapat pinagtibay/suportahan ,hindi naman seguro nagpabaya ang gobyerno,kasapi ang simbahan.. sa pagregulate sa mga dapat i approve na means and ways.
    Huwag na rin sana nating kalimutan na may batas na tayo protection sa ating kababaihan…Magna Carta for Women…unanimous naman ang suporta natin dito,di ba ? 

    • boldyak

      correct…ang RH bill na ito ay may pangunahing layunin sa pamimigay ng contraceptives, nothing more, all other articles have been covered by the existing laws….ang wala lang dati ay free contraceptives…magkano ang budget sa pamimili ng contraceptive na ito?…billions…who gets what?….ang lobby ng mga contraceptive manufacturers mas malakas….

      • Guest

        During Marcos years, family planning was even enshrined in the 1973 “constitution”. The 1970s was the decade of family planning in the PH.

      • observer_din

        ok lang gumastos ng billions kung ito ang magiging daan para kahit papaano mabawasan ang kahirapan at matuto ang mga mag-asawa, kesa naman ipambili pa ng mga sasakyan ng mga pakialamerong BISHITS..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AIYSIJJOL4JNRLHXVTGUH3NYHM The Overlord

    These priests act more popish than the Pope. Laughable and pathetic indeed.

  • brunogiordano

    Sa mga congressmen –

    Ang botong NO sa RH ay boto para sa mga OBISPO ng CBCP na may pangakong MAAGANG pagpunta sa HEAVEN.

    Ang botong YES ay boto para sa kapakinabangan ng bansang PILIPINAS na nagbibigay sa inyo ng suweldo at PORK BARREL.

    YOUR CHOICE!!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    cbcp bishops katoliban extremist terrorist church”’ carnival tagle demonyo””””’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VCOZDCJRKOL6AN5BONY73WU72Q Albatimansalsalman

      dre kumalma ka na yata..di ka na sumisigaw,,,di bale may anghang pa rin post mo..merry xmas…

    • luzviminda88

      Bwa ha ha ha Sige banat pa kampon ko. Malapit ka na rin. Bwa ha ha ha

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        baliw!!!!

    • Kamoteng_Dilaw

       IKAW ANG DEMONYO! OGAG!!!

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Importante ang condom to prevent HIV infection when you know your partner is infected.  Even the Pope acknowledge this issue. Hayaan nalang ba mag buntis yung mga Hiv positive?  na mostly likely manganganak ng Hiv positive na bata? Saan ba ang sentindo ng mga Obispo rito?

  • http://www.facebook.com/oustcorona ILL_HIT_YOUR_FACE

    Maybe its time to impose taxes on the Catholic Church…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/45YIBMNHBUP3CSS75JGQPK6V6Q Anamarija

      Bakit Catholic lang bat hindi taxes on religion?

      • http://www.facebook.com/oustcorona ILL_HIT_YOUR_FACE

        Me ibang religion pa bang nakikialam sa usapin nang pulitika?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSBNZB3TEKHJE5A74STZTTUHC4 ed0408

    Congressmen who are against RH Bill should commit themselves together with priests and nuns to shoulder the health and education of children that can’t be feed and schooled by their parents. They should sign a contract and be liable. 

    • boldyak

      so dahil ang government na ito ay hindi kayang buhayin ang mamamayan, dinadahilang ang over population….malibre nga naman sa responsibilty ang government…mapagaan ang trabaho…it is the government obligation to uplift the lives of the people para naman ang mga tao pede na bumili condoms….wag yung bigyan mo na lang condoms…teach the people how to be more responsible. yan ang solution hindi mga contraceptives na pede gamitin nga menor de edad at magiging laganap ang sex without responsiblity…balang araw makikita mo na lang angmga tao na parang mga aso….kahit saan mag sex…basta may condoms…

      • observer_din

        napakaraming katoliko sa pilipinas, di ba isa dapat sa ituro ng mga kaparian yun, ang maging responsable ang mga miyembro nila, ikumpara mo ang bilang ng nakararaming mahihirap at madaming anak halos lahat yun katoliko, asan ang naging parte ng pari para maturuan ang mga katoliko? tapos ngayon makikialam sila sa gobyerno na parang sila ang nakakaalam ng solusyon.

  • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

    In the dirty world of politics, no good deeds remain unpunished. The bishops have put the Roman Church in a tight spot. Seeing what they know, the people want an answer to the country’s dire problems that could last a generation. Unchecked population and poverty are the main issues of the RH Bill.  The bishops now find themselves at odd with the government. Harsh and angry words are now being thrown their way. The fickle mob that they started to create now lashes back at them. Hungry stomach does not have patience to sit with good reason. Unfortunately, there is now no turning back for the bishops, and the fickle mob has picked up on the “charge” command. I wish I could say that cloudy days are gone in this country. Unfortunately, this country has the penchant to build on bad memories. Is it bad karma, or what?  

  • dodong1

     Insisting that the reproductive health (RH) bill was “corruption of the soul,” the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines.. EH YUNG PAG MOMOLESTYA NG MGA PARI SA MGA BATA HINDI BA CORRUPTION OF THE SOUL DIN YUUN O MAS MALALA PA..INCREASE POPULATION MORE KIDS TO MOLESTS BY THE DAMASOS…

    • boldyak

      may mga ordinaryong tao na nagmomolestya, pag nahuli kinakasuhan at kinukulong…ang pari tao rin, ang kaibahan ang mga pari mas nilalapitan ng temptation kesa ordinaryong tao…kung nagkasala man hindi lahat ng pari…you just emphasize this to reach your goal and that is na siraan ang mga katoliko…nagbayad ka na ba ng ikapo mo?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

         Linisin muna ng mga pari ang mga scandalo sa loob ng Simbahan bago muna sila mangaral tungkol sa pagbabawal ng paggamit ng condom.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

        tama  ang iyong tinuran….

      • observer_din

        pero ano ginagawa sa mga paring nangmomolestya ng kabataan? sample na lang si Garcia? inililipat lang ng lugar, hindi tinatanggal kaya patuloy lang sila sa paggawa ng kalokohan kasi alam nila ililipat lang sila. tsk…tsk…tsk..

      • dodong1

        first of all ano ang ikapo means? hindi maninira ng mga katoliko ang ginagawa..GISING GISING HIRAP NA ANG MGA PINOY, GUTOM PA..ilang tao pa dapat ang idagdag mo sa mga nagugutom…ikapo ba kamo?/ano yun??

  • entong238

    To the Bishops they call it corruption f the soul but to a believer like me, it’s blatant defiance to the words of God, Go ye multiply and fill the earth so the RH Bill is an evil law

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VJEOMA5VLJPMGUGBJLR6BYHFT4 Ray

      what a great belief……have you tried to analyse the context of such Bible text??if a man or woman can not be able to multiply, will they be considered as blatantly defiant??is that a sound conclusion to consider then that the RH bill has an evil intent????just asking….

  • Commentator

    Jesus said, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

  • tonyoks

     “corruption of the soul,” 
    well said…bishop.
    pero kung sino man ang may corrupted soul, eh sa mas malamang na ikaw yun at ang mga kabaro o kabestida mo…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

       Buti kung may soul sila.  Wala ngang kaluluwa.

  • Billy Reyes

    Kaya walang DISIPLINA ang Pilipinas dahil sa sobrang kahirapan. Ang taong GUTOM mas iniintindi ang makukuhunan ng susunod na isusubo kaisa sa pagsunod sa Batas.

    Simpling Halimbawa:
    1 kilong bigas kung hahatiin sa 10 hindi kasya, eh kung mi 2 anak lang mayroon pang pambiling ulam. 
    Kung iisipin natin ang 2 bagay;
    1. No Corruption
    2. Control the Population
    Magiging maunlad ang Pilipinas, mas totoo to kaisa sa paniniwalang may diyos.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NKMLL6HD6WUINN5XQWNKKQDFEA Edwin Edwin

    The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. (Article II, Section 6)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    It’s now time for other religious groups like INC that support the RH Bill to counter the Catholic Church shameless lobbying.

  • niap kcen

    As St. John the Baptist directed the people to justice, we call on you also to seek justice for the Filipino people,” Villegas said.

    ‘just wondering where in the bible will you find this proof text? soc even twisted the truth of the word of God.. John never directed the people of his day to justice.. rather he is the precursor of Christ, preparing the way of His redemption plan for humanity [matt3:1-3] sadly, villegas also twisting the purpose of the rh bill.. lies upon lies.. what kind of justice is he talking about to give to the poor? desperate, hopeless, using coercion, wanting their pride soar above all else.. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Don’t forget Suck Villegas was the late Cardinal Sin’s closest adviser.  Cardinal Sin is not in heaven.  I don’t know where he is.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VCOZDCJRKOL6AN5BONY73WU72Q Albatimansalsalman

     itong mga kaparian sa pilip[inas ang isang dAHILAN KAYA LUGMOK SA KAHIRAPAN ANG NAKAKARAMING PILIPINO…assert nila ang doktrinang hinde naman katanggaptanggap sa nakararaming pilipino…nagpupuyos ngayon ang galit sa presidente may kasama pang panunumbat..panahon na para mabunyag na ang pilipinas ay may majority christian but not necessarily catholic  clergy controlled country…

  • El_Gran_Capitan

    Yes, give justice to Philippines against the damasos, vote for RH Bill

  • DarkSideOfTheMoon2

    it is also a sin if parents cannot provide their kids with necessities of life….food, shelter, education…di pwede anak lang ng anak……tapos kakalat kalat sa kalye ng wala sa tamang oras or kumakalam ang sikmura at naglilimos…

    • Bisdak_kaayo

       gusto ng mga Obispo na maraming batang mamalimos sa lansangan at maghihirap dahil that would justify na magsolicit sila ng donations at ibigay kuno sa charity ng mga batang naghihirap.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      as mentioned by @dprotector:disqus

      1 Timothy 5:8New International Version (NIV)
      8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

  • http://twitter.com/romanovsjewels Cesar

    don’t listen to these princely prelates who keep twaddling about poor people but are utterly clueless as to the plight of poor families. This country doesn’t need CBCP.

  • repapips

    He said the CBCP lauded the 104 congressmen and women who voted against the bill, saying “voted courageously, despite all pressures, to stand up for what is right and true.”
    isn’t it the other way around? duh.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VCOZDCJRKOL6AN5BONY73WU72Q Albatimansalsalman

    sa panahon ng panggagahasa ni Gloria at Mike Arroyo kasama ang GANG OF THIEVES noong panahon ng madilim na rehimen sa kaban ng bayan at pagnanakaw sa kapangyarihan sa pamamagitan ng malawakang pandaraya,,,, TAHIMIK LAHAT NG MGA PARI AT OBISPO….ngayon parang mga putang ngawa ng ngawa,,,wala ng natirang kahihiyan,,pal;bhasa mga abnormal ang mga katauhan,,,,

  • Bisdak_kaayo

    Gusto ng mga pari ng mas dadami pa ang mga batang pwede nila ma-molestya kaya against sila sa RH bill.

  • http://www.pulisnapogi.blogspot.com/ Pulis Na Pogi

    any grade schooler can see through the loopholes in the argument of these bishops and priests!

    modern day damasos!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Bill was passed in ITALY, the pope was Quiet.

    Why are the lowly bishops so Noisy?

    • joshmale2004

      Psst. May bago ng model ang Montero for 2013. Baka sakali ika nga.

  • Rio Legaspi

    The word JUSTICE is beyond full application because it is supreme just like going to HEAVEN but you do not know where heaven is and what it looks like. Of all the institution in our country and even other country, no one has the full authority to say that they are the true representative, parental guidance of the people. All of them has a hole in their head, honestly proposals are good it becomes bad by the people who govern and the application. Religion is the same as the government or the state. Both of you are using the majority for the sake of money and not for morality. Start cleaning your own backyards….

  • roicoo Westbury

    Why complicate things when everything is very simple.

    Why do we procreate? – create life
    What do we do to procreate? – man and woman have sex

    Its that simple.

    This is what complicates it.  We only want sex but don’t want to procreate.

    • Bisdak_kaayo

      Sex is a necessity my friend, natural biological urge iyan ng katawan natin.
      It is not necessarily driven by the desire to procreate.  Alam mo kung bakit?
      Yung pagmasturbate natural urge yun, hindi yun gawa ng desire to procreate.
      Hindi ka ba nagmasturbate for once in your life?  Ask yourself kung ginawa mo ba iyon
      in answer with the desire to procreate?

      • roicoo Westbury

         My point kayo,  sex is a necessity but for what?

      • Bisdak_kaayo

        it may be for pleasure alone, it may be for procreation purpose or both.  The bible does not say SEX is EVIL for pleasure alone.  So do not stick to the issue that SEX is only for the purpose of procreation.

      • joshmale2004

        It is a necessity to maintain and strengthen the bond of the husband and wife.

      • pej1972

        Kung hayop tayo na ndi nag iisip, napakadaling sabihin na the only purpose is procreate. But since na tao tayo, hindi enough na basta na lang anak ng anak. Kasama doon ang responsibilidad na mapakain ang mga bata ng tamang nutrisyon, mabigyan ng tamang edukasyon at ihanda sila na hawakan ang kanilang pagharap sa buhay.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      That is pure old world thinking straight out of the middle ages.

      Your argument is absurd.

      You look around and see old married couples who have only 3 children, do you think they only had sex 3 times their entire married life?

      Your ‘pro-creation only’ rule for sex is so absurd, that even the CBCP’s recommended method of preventing pregnancies (the rhythm method) would violate it. That’s how ridiculous this idea is.

      Having children is a choice, not a commandment.

      how’s that for simplicity.

  • g219h

    Save the Philippines. Pass the RH bill now!
    CBCP what have you done to this country? What have to done to alleviate poverty? NOTHING !  So let the govt solve your problems for you by passing RH bill.
    If you don’t have an alternative to offer to address society’s ills/problems, put up and pack up.

    Do your moral lectures in the pulpit in churches and leave the STATE alone to do its job.

    • speaksoftlylove

      Kasama ba sa RH bill ang mga “gays”? If yes then what’s the purpose when they cannot procreate among themselves? If not then the bill is definitely discriminatory. Does your PNoy and his minions ever thought about this?

      • pej1972

        If information about preventing STD and the means are readily accessible to the public, kasama ang mga gays sa mabebenepisyuhan ng RH BIll. 

      • g219h

        Common sense. Use condoms.

  • bugoybanggers

    Nasa tao na ang pag pasya, hayaan nating magdakdak ang mga kaparian laban sa RH bill. Ano ngayon, basta malaya tayo sa paniniwala at ang mga KATOLIKO hindi nadedektahan ng palamuti ng mga butihing tagapag salita.

  • joshmale2004

    iboto ang mga pari sa senado sa susunod na taon. cardinal tagle for president in 2016. philippines will be the next garden of eden once we have a cardinal for president and all congressmen and senators are priest. all other religions except catholics should be phased out once we become the garden of eden.zero crime rate and no corruption once we become the garden of eden. no more BIR as vatican will be in charge of collecting taxes by then. we will abolish the separation of church and state in our constitution and all other religions shall be converted to catholics. because god will only recognize the catholic church at the end of time. and let’s pray that when all of these things have happened, the True God (God the Father, God the Son and god the Holy spirit) will come and rescue us from these tyrants.

  • Make_Progress

    These bishops and priests should mind their own business and should not meddle in the State affairs. Di nila maayos ang sarili nilang bahay, nakikialam pa sa ibang bahay. Linisin ninyo muna ang loob at bakuran ng bahay ninyo bago kayo makipagdaldalan sa labas. Maraming imoralidad nangyayari sa loob ng RC church na hindi nila makontrol, nakikialam pa sa government affairs.
    Hindi na nga nakakatulong, nakikialam pa.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    sa nakikita mo mga bata na lang ang kayang utuin ng mga pari kaya nais nila dumami ang populasyon, tingnan nyo sa mga prusisyon kakaunti ang adults puro mga paslit, kasi nga madaling utuin ang mga bata kaya sila ang madalas na biktima ng pagmo molestiya

  • robrano

    RP has a constitutional separation of state and church, xo the CBCP should not meddle so direct in the process of congress or senate. It is up to the church to convince its believers to stop overpopulating the country. But it is the dumb rule that sex is only allowed for to make a baby, since the believers just follow this and make sex for babies. Thinking if they can grow them up to a good future would need to use the brain, not the penis.

  • 903

    nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.
    Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.

    • joshmale2004

      Nagbabayad ako ng tax ko kaya may karapatan akong magsabing gamitin ng DOH yung binayad ko para sa mahirap na mag asawa kung gusto nila lumigaya ng hindi mabubuntis ang asawa. May problema ka ba dun sa tax ko? Nagbigay na ko consent ko

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

        correct kung saan gamitin ng gobyerno ang tax wala na tayo doon kahit pa ibili ng armas na pamatay ng tao o mga tangke de giyera

  • joshmale2004

    This is desperate time for the Catholic church. They now resort to worldly tactics instead of fervent prayer to God as their very existence as the true religion representing God is at stake. They have to ensure defeat of the RH Bill because they have already crossed the line that the RH Bill is against the will of God. If they are defeated with this RH Bill, their credibility as the true Church of god will become doubtful to their flocks. However, the people have started to see that what the Church is doing is more like “THE WILL OF THE CHURCH IS THE WILL OF GOD.” instead of praying to God to let “GOD’S WILL BE REVEALED IN DUE TIME.” The big Question now is, if the RH Bill becomes a law, will the Catholic church accept that it is really the Will of God or they will say God was defeated by evil on this one and we will fight back?

  • 903

    nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.
    Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.

    • joshmale2004

      Nagbabayad ako ng tax ko kaya may karapatan akong magsabing gamitin ng DOH yung binayad ko para sa mahirap na mag asawa kung gusto nila lumigaya ng hindi mabubuntis ang asawa. May problema ka ba dun sa tax ko? Nagbigay na ko consent ko.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SUNDIN NA KASI SI BISHOPS IPUTOK NA KASI SA LOOB WAG TAKPAN NG GOMA MASAMA YUN SA KAUTUSAN NG SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO GO MULTIPLY” UNTIL YOU DIE AND EAT PAG PAG

  • Vertumnus

    Apparently these Bishops don’t believe in Article II, Section 6 of the Philippine Constitution.  Separation of Church and State.

    Why is the Church always interfering with people’s right to choose responsible family planning? Are they completely blind to the suffering of the people especially the poor?  The churches antiquated sense of morality have prevented Filipinos from realizing their full potential for centuries. A family with a manageable number of children are happier and have a better chance of  having a successful life.  Priest who never raised a family have no right to tell people what they can or cannot do in their own houses.

    It’s time for the Church to stay out of politics and people bedrooms!

    • 903

      nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.
      “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.
      Based on the DOH’s proposal, P18.5 million would be allocated for capacity building, P12.5 million for priority health program, and P3 million for the major final output of the health policy and development program.

      • Vertumnus

        Oh please.  the PCSO made P300 billion for the year 2011.  Don’t spread misinformation as to where the money is going.  Earmarking a small percentage of PCSO revenue will be more than adiquate to fund the program.

      • 903

        Punta ka government hospital at malaman mo ang sitwasyon ganon din sa mga provincial school. This is not misinformation search RH budget sa inquirer website.

      • Vertumnus

        yada, yada, yada! The bill will pass!

      • joshmale2004

        oh eh ano ngayon. Problema ng gobyerno yan. wag mong pangunahan dahil wala ka ding maitutulong para maayos yan.

      • Jane Tan

        Sin tax bill. Argue there to make it higher. That contributes to hospitals. Wag ka maghanap dito.

  • filipinaskoh

    “CBCP lauded the 104 congressmen and women who voted against the bill, saying “voted courageously, despite all pressures, to stand up for what is right and true.”
    VOTED COURAGEOUSLY???? they voted ignorantly!!! just look at their reasoning if not for selfish motives, it is done out of their religion!

    DESPITE PRESSURE ???? YES, pressured by the CBCP!!

    TO STAND UP WHAT IS RIGHT AND TRUE??? They stand to what is LIE spread by CBCP

    I LAUDED the 113 congressman, LP or not – they stand against the pressures of Catholic Church, They stand to what they think is RIGHT for the Filipino people and being TRUE to themselves and to this Country.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    I wonder what it feels like to be one of these celibate old men in skirts,
    what goes on in their head when they start to realize that the old tactics:
    fear mongering, fact twisting, misuse of scripture, religious scare tactics and just blatant lying.

    These tactics that they’ve relied on for so long to control the minds of the masses, and exert influence on our officials.

    What goes on in their minds, when they realize it’s no longer working.

    Must be scary. I can understand their desperate attempt to regain control. To maintain the status quo.

    Hehe. Too bad.

    • 903

      Ito ang to bad:
      nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.
      Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.

      “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.

      Based on the DOH’s proposal, P18.5 million would be allocated for capacity building, P12.5 million for priority health program, and P3 million for the major final output of the health policy and development program.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        what’s your point?

      • 903

        This is the point:
        Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.
        “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Kurakot?
        You see peso signs and automatically may kurakot?? But where is the proof? You don’t have any. So instead you make baseless insinuations, like chismis. That’s all you got? chismis?.

        And for the record P13.7 billion is a bargain, compared to what the tax payers will pay when more kids are born into poverty.

        P 13.7 billion? multiply that by a hundred and that’s what it’ll cost the country in public housing, public schools, public hospitals.

        We can either spend now, or spend a much, much bigger amount later.

        The choice is simple.

        RH Bill, it’s about common sense.

      • 903

        Punta ka government hospital, kapirasong gamut wala. Ikaw pa ang bibili. Saan ang budget? Saan napunta? Kailangan paba ng proof?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        aww crap, copy-paste troll pala to. waste of time

      • Jane Tan

        Sin tax bill. Urgent na diba?

      • joshmale2004

        Taka ka pa. Di ba binulsa lahat ng amo mong pandak at baboy? Pero wag kang mag alala, malapit nang bumuhos pundo para diya.

      • joshmale2004

        Hahaha. Nadale mo tol. Pag sumagot pa si Weng Weng ewan ko na lang.

      • pej1972

        Very well said!!!!

      • Francis81

         Bantayan ang galaw ni Usec Rico Puno kasi marami na siyang pharmaceutical companies na kinakausap para maging supplier ng contraceptives sa gobyerno.

      • joshmale2004

        Masyado kang tsismoso. Panay kasinungalinan naman mga tsismis mo. Hindi asal lalaki ang pagiging tsismoso at intregero. Mag showbiz ka nalang

  • 903

    nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.
    “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.
    Based on the DOH’s proposal, P18.5 million would be allocated for capacity building, P12.5 million for priority health program, and P3 million for the major final output of the health policy and development program.

    • pej1972

      Going by your logic, lahat na lang ng binabayad natin sa Gobyerno, ie, road user tax, POEA, cedula, income tax, thumb tacks, etc. ay pang-uuto. And at the same time, naghahanap ka ng ipapasahod sa government employees, social services at kung ano pang anik anik na gusto mong iprovide ng Gobyerno. Tapos, sisihin mo Gobyerno na corrupt, come election sa Mayo 2013, mas malamang, we will see the familira names na uupo ulit, pero sino naman nagpapaupo sa kanila, e di tayo din na mga uto-uto, as you say. Ano ginagawa mong solusyon para matigil ang vicious cycle na ito?

      • Jane Tan

        Reklamo lang? Tapos hintay tayo ulit 15 years, and attempt to pass the RH Bill again. Lol… See how worse the country will be by then.

  • andrew lim

    A response to Bishop Villegas:
     
    In Jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!

    A response of pro-RH bill laity to the CBCP pastoral letter on the latest decision on the Reproductive Health Bill, December 15, 2012

    Once again, Archbishop Soc Villegas expands the definition of corruption to include contraception. He already did this earlier this year, in an anti-RH rally in Ortigas. It’s a neat move, since he is unable to pin down the President on financial corruption. Interestingly, the CBCP did not castigate his predecessor, Gloria Arroyo, on charges of financial corruption and electoral cheating. Why did the CBCP keep quiet on Gloria’s corruption and then invent a new definition of it for Pnoy?

    Our point by point rebuttal to his letter:

    “Contraception corrupts the soul. The RH Bill is being gift wrapped to look like a gift for maternal health care. It is not so. It will lead to greater crimes against women.”

    Ignorance corrupts the mind. The RH Bill is explicit in what it provides and what it bans if you only care to read it. What greater crimes against women are you referring to? Can an all- male hierarchy sworn to celibacy claim to speak authoritatively on issues concerning women?

    “The youth are being made to believe that sex before marriage is acceptable provided you know how to avoid pregnancy. “

    Get real. Teenagers are already having sex -even the ones who study in Catholic schools. So who’s failing in their responsibility? Why not educate and equip them to avoid potential complications?
    I challenge you to ask around and see how many of those getting married today are virgins on their wedding day.

    We congratulate the one hundred and thirteen (113) congressmen and women who voted YES to the RH Bill. You have voted courageously, despite the intimidation from the clergy, to stand up for what you believe in. The people will remember you as the heroes of our nation, those who care for the true welfare of the people, especially the poor. May you continue to be steadfast and not waiver in your stand against ignorance and poverty.

    We plead with the sixty four (64) congressmen who have not voted, to be enlightened like the intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, using reason and not superstition to reform society, and keeping sober and not hysterical.

    Do not allow the hierarchy to blatantly violate the separation of church and state and intrude into fiscal policy, economics, budgets, etc. It is not their field of expertise.

    In jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!

    (Take a look at the list of the top economic performers for the past 50 years and the least corrupt countries (Transparency International rankings).Virtually none of them are dominated by Catholic hierarchies. Then take a look at the list of countries colonized by Spain, and see how they lag behind in both categories of economic development and corruption levels.) Spain, Italy and France were colonizers and extracted wealth from their colonies, so they are in a different category.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      good post andrew lim, boom! now that’s what I call Quoting From Truth!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      How come you only use the pressures exerted by the clergy to advance your arguments?
      Face the points raised and not on the “men in cloth”.

      This only shows the drought coming from your brain.
      Your high-handedness to insult priests and bishops does not help your defense of contraception.

      But, surprisingly, you accept to recognize the growing menace among teenagers. However, you continue to justify the use of condoms and pills for teenagers.
      It is a classic example of “if you cannot beat them, join them” mentality common to invertebrates.

      With the Catholic Church represented by the CBCP as official spokespersons for the multitude of faithful non-clergy members, it presents the moral foundation of what God had deigned upon us all, which is to preserve the family as the basic unit of society to maintain harmony in the country when families fight against moral decay.

      The RH bill is an instrument of moral decay.
      Until now, the folly of justifying contraception to solve hunger and poverty is still being peddled with the likes of you. And, you have the gall to call those who have no idea of contraception to be ignorant?

      On the contrary, the propagation of condoms, pills, tubal ligation and vasectomy had been going on SINCE MARCOS years. If the “ignorant” parents had many children despite DOH’s aggressive promotion of contraceptives foremost during the time of Juan Flavier, whose fault was it? The “ignorant” poor or the DOH? Don’t you ever get a feeling that the RH bill is a big scam? Of course, you won’t admit it and blame the CBCP..sheessh. 

      • andrew lim

        Get a copy of the pastoral letter and put it side by side with my letter. It is a pt by pt rebuttal of the arguments raised.

        You are entitled to your views on RH bill, but you cannot impose it on the Republic of the Philippines.

        The country is called Republic of the Philippines, not Catholic Republic of the Philippines. Its citizens are called Filipinos, not Catholic Fiilipinos.

  • filipinaskoh

    RH bill -“corruption of the soul” CBCP

    You have corrupted the soul of every Filipinos through your constant lies!
    You know your teachings are no longer in conformity with the “Word Of God” – you deviated from it a long time ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Lackland/100004440551210 John Lackland

    Do not ask god what he wants, ask the people what they need. Everyday people die of starvation. Thankfully, most happen outside the country because we are more accessible than other countries, like say in Africa. However, this does not mean that we don’t have a problem. The world cannot feed its growing population. This would not be happening in a perfect world, where everyone has everything they need, want, and more. Sadly, this isn’t Wonderland, this is reality, where problems like overpopulation is a fact. It is real, just like global warming, evolution, gravity, and the heliocentric model. Use economics, increase in demand plus almost constant supply equals increase in price. How will poorer people afford this food? It is also almost always that the poorer have more mouths to feed. This is the fastest and surest way of relieving their burden, while keeping demand in check, increase supply. The RH bill is step 1, while increasing supply is far off, this can be a temporary solution. Seeing as how acts of god have set us back in Mindanao for at least a year and international troubles with China could affect trade in the future, we can only take the slow and steady path of increasing our own agricultural capacity. With the church unwilling to help (tearing down the churches and using the land for growing crops), we can only rely on our national leaders who may have something planned. What are other solutions to overpopulation? Abstinence? Well we all know that didn’t work out for Mary at all. Abortion? That’s what the church hates most of all, along with non-heterosexual relationships. The church only wants to run the world. They only want what they want. Well, they’ve had their chance. It was called the dark ages. They set back scientific advancement by a couple of centuries. Scientific knowledge we could be using right now to help with this problem. If they don’t like how the world works, they should be clocking out and going somewhere else. We are a republic of people. We have separation of the church and state. We have freedom of and or from religion. When god is either unwilling and (or) unable, it is man who guides himself. And if god sends me to Hell for not having a child I cannot feed or stopping the spread of STDs, for using the intellect, free will, and logical reasoning that he supposedly gave me,  then may it be so. Because god should not interfere with the affairs of men as men do not interfere with acts of god! And if I burn for all eternity as my eternal damnation, I will burn brightly like the stars in the heavens, because I know I have done something for my future children, or maybe your children, or the child of some other unknown compatriot.

    Sincerely,
    John Matthew L. Cruz

  • Islander

    The tired arguments of the bishops insult us as they treat us like sheep who are unable to “discern” what is good for us and for our society.

    The endless politicking of these Padre Damasos is like a cancer in our body politic.

  • 903

    To RH supporters, can anybody tell me where this budget will come from?

    “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.

    Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.

    • joshmale2004

      Manggagaling yan sa Vatican siguro.

    • joerizal

       Tanong ko rin sa yo kung saan nanggagaling ang billiones na pork barrel na taun-taon na pinopondohan? Ano ang mas mahalaga?

    • Francis81

       Makatanaong lang, ang pleasurable sex ba ni Pweenoy gabi gabi sa Bahay Pangarap with Russians, Korean, etc. women ay binabayaran din ng tax payers money?

      • joshmale2004

        Masyado kang tsismoso. Panay kasinungalinan naman mga tsismis mo. Hindi asal lalaki ang pagiging tsismoso at intregero. Mag showbiz ka nalang.

      • Luthmar

        Hindi, yung pera mo lang ang pinangbabayad nya.   Puede ba kung wala ka rin lang masabi na objective at constructive tumahimik ka na lang.  Out of line mga
        comments mo most of the time.

  • Carlos Santiago

    minsan naiisip ko pinopolitika tayo ng simbahan sa isyu ng RH Bill. talaga bang seryoso sila sa pagtututol ng RH Bill? o pakitang tao lang sa publiko para sabihin na inaalagaan nila ang kanilang mga doktrina at utos ng Diyos? bakit ko naisip ito? bakit tahimik sila sa vasectomy at tubal ligation na SOCIALLY ACCEPTED means of contraception? ibig sabihin ba, okay lang basta hindi pinag uusapan ng lantaran dahil hindi nabubulabog ang kanilang mga religious teachings? di ba kasalanan ang kaipokrituhang nagaganap?
     in like manner, the main foundation of the RH Bill is empowering women to have a free choice and conscious decision on reproduction which inherently includes the control of the number of children they will bear. so congressmen’s wives and congresswomen who are tubally ligated and who voted against the RH Bill, are they not guilty of moral dishonesty? or at least unfairness? what is good for the goose is not good for the gander?

  • filipinaskoh

    “Villegas said the poor were also being taken for a ride when RH bill proponents promise them a better life”

    LIES, LIES AND LIES! Why you have to be DECEITFUL? 
    The father of every Lies is the DEVIL- How come you CLAIM  GOD as your father!

    RHBILL never promise good life – but providing them a CHOICE- for the FAMILY to lead a better life by being able to sustain their own children and providing HEALTH CARE to mother and the unborn child!

    Anong palagay nyo sa CONTRACEPTIVE PILLS – bato ni DARNA pag nilunok mo at sumigaw ka ng RHBILL biglang magbabago ang buhay mo! It will aid and help you attain your goal hindi ang RHbill ang magbibigay sa iyo ng goal mo- trabahuin mo rin!

    • 903

      Saan kukunin ang budget?
      nauto na naman si Juan Dela Cruz. Akala niya libre ang condom at pills. Di nya alam na ang bilyon bilyon na budget kukunin sa tax na binabayad niya at kina kalyas sa kapirasong sahod. Budget sa goverment school at hospital kulang pero bilyon na budget sa walang kwenta meron.Maligaya na naman ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno.
      “For 2012, (the DOH is asking) P13.7 billion,” Cayetano, head of the Senate committee on health and demography, responding to Senator Lito Lapid’s query.
      Based on the DOH’s proposal, P18.5 million would be allocated for capacity building, P12.5 million for priority health program, and P3 million for the major final output of the health policy and development program.

      • filipinaskoh

        paano ung CCT – conditional cash transfer – saan kinukuha iyon?  sa tax din iyon! napakalaking halaga nun bilyon-bilyon iyon para matulungan ang pamilyang hirap-na hirap sa buhay kasi maraming mga anak na di kayang buhayin.

      • Jane Tan

        Pointless ang CCT kung dadami din ang mangangailangan nito.

      • joshmale2004

        Sinabi ko na ngang magbibigay ng budget ang Vatican eh. Kulet.

      • Francis81

         gagastos ng bilyon bilyon ang taong bayan para sa pleasurable sex. kwawang pia cayetano di kasi pleasurable sex life niya, kaya nga iniwan siya ng asawa niya.

      • joshmale2004

        Masyado kang tsismoso. Panay kasinungalinan naman mga tsismis mo. Hindi asal lalaki ang pagiging tsismoso at intregero. Mag showbiz ka nalang

      • Luthmar

        Hindi sya iniwanan ng kanyang asawa.  Siya ang umalis.

  • Hey_Dudes

    This is already a blatant – worst at it’s core if not close to  showing desperation on the part of this hypocrite organization. Shame must have left these people that we now are beginning to see the worst in what these individuals had become.

  • Commentator

    1 Timothy 5:8New International Version (NIV)
    8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      nice one. who says pro-rh folks can’t get ‘biblical’.

  • joerizal

    Wala namang konsiyensiya yang mga kongresista na yan so paano magiging conscience vote ito? Ang nagpapatakbo ng kongreso ay pera at hindi dasal. Ang simbahan ay masyado nang nakikialam sa pamahalaan at dapat nang kalusin. Hindi sila ang nire-represent ng mga kongresista kundi ang taumbayan. Walang karapatan ang simbahan na gawing tuta ang mga taong inatasan ng  mga mamamayan para irepresenta sila sa kongreso. Dapat ipako sa pinto ng Manila Cathedral ang konstitusyon ng Pilipinas para ipa-alala sa simbahan kung ano ang dapat nilang kalagyan.

  • filipinaskoh

    WARNING!WARNING!

    BABALA SA LAHAT!

    May bagong TROLL na naman – 903 di kaya 666 din ang ibig sabihin nito !
    Mag-ingat kayo – 666 ito na nakubli sa 903!

  • mapicchu

    am very very disappointed, very sad with simbang gabi No.1…instead of sermonizing from the gospel, the priest read the pastoral letter-full of stupid, far-out assumptions…which to my mind has no place in a solemn celebration. these bishops will stop at nothing to get what they want..its becoming more of a power play, at our expense. am losing interest in further attending mass if they persist in using it as a means to ram down our throats their stand on the rh bill…e kung sa jueteng nga, sa corruption na ginawa ni gloria, sa mga libreng pajero nila, tahimik cila? dun ko cila gustong marinig,noon pa man, pero wala cilang masabi. tapos on the rh bill…sobra cilang kampanya?

    • Jane Tan

      You said it.

  • Hey_Dudes

    These hypocrites are staking whatever remains of their tarnished reputation by asking these congressman to vote against passing the RH bill.

    Question is, what if these congress members decides they work and being paid their salaries by the Filipino people not by the bishops and join those who voted in favor, what will this do to their already badly battered reputation?

    • joshmale2004

      It will sink to the bottom of Pacific Ocean.

  • alienpatriot

    Just when the sanctimonious arrogance of the CBCP  seems to have peaked, they seem to reach a new low. Their statement that allowing medical authorities to do their job properly involves corruption of the soul is the word of a collective psychopath. These people are dangerous.
    The only course of action that responsible Catholics can take is to boycoitt church until the CBCP behaves reasonably.
    STOP THE CBCP REIGN OF TERROR. Vote with your feet. Do not attend any church with an “Obey Gods will” sign. Stand up for ordinary people. Support the poor against church oppression. The Christian God does not like the CBCP attitude. He likes humility not the arrogance of a bishops group that thinks it is God.

  • smartestofall

    100 years ago, the Philippines was under Spanish influence, Today, we are under American influence, in the next 100 years, we will be a muslim country. that is why the church opposes this bill… its the end of the Catholic Philippines…

  • Francis81

    Yan napala mo Socsoc Villegas todo suporta ka kasi nuon sa Abnoy na Pweenoy, e tingnan mo anong kinalabasan ng manok mo!

    • Hey_Dudes

      Was this bishop ever supportive of Benigno C. Aquino III?  All I know is,  he used to be GMA lapdog and is one of the reasons he is where he is at now through her influence?

  • tolits63

    Mga lintik na mga pari ito,pakialamero,,bakit hindi kayong mga pari bomoto???

  • Cruxofthematter

    How dare you bishops. You have an outer form of godliness but denies the power thereof. How dare you control the affairs of the State when even Jesus himself, whom you claim you serve, but do not, when Jesus even taught subjection to the Roman rule who ruled Israel at that time by conquering them. How dare you not understand and twist God’s Word and replace it with your traditions, which are traditions of men. 

  • tekateka

    STOP MEDDLING !!!!!! …

  • tekateka

    CBCP – SALOT SA BAYAN…

  • kuz_n_efek

    Rampant CORRUPTION in every corner of PH society is the utmost cause of people being deprived of their basic needs. If all tax payers’ monies are properly collected & properly distributed to different government agencies- with proper accounting of released funds, Filipinos will certainly be experiencing a decent kind of living condition. If this process of governance is fully implemented, then I think RH Bill would only be an alibi or excuse for government officials, from top to bottom for being greedy & irresponsible individuals.

    Other countries are encouraging their own peoples to propagate, but in PH we’re trying to control our population due to seemingly poverty issues linked to overpopulation concern. In fact, the Australian Government has been giving bonuses for every new born child added to families. The real answer for all poverty related issues in PH is proper governance by our true leaders who are committed to eradicating corruption- the so called eternal problem in our society.

    The logic is, good governance thru continuing fight against corruption will lead the Filipino people to embrace opportunity & prosperity as well. RH Bill is like the issue of poverty, they’re all effects of the ultimate cause- rampant corruption. Try to settle first the real cause & the effects will just follow later. To avoid confusions here, if the Government wanted to control population in a subtle way, collect the tax payers’ monies accordingly & distribute them properly with full accounting & transparent reports from the recipient-government agencies. In doing so, Filipinos will have opportunities in their hands, viz., education, health, housing, job, etc. Indeed, opportunities like these would certainly preoccupy their minds & encourage themselves to do something, rather than indulging mainly their urge-desires for irresponsible sexual acts. Hence, RH Bill would be an obsolete topic by then. Don’t solve a problem by creating another one or even multiple negative effects. Mabuhay!            

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      We don’t have to choose.

      We can have a program for Free Reproductive Health Services and still have programs to combat corruption. The people can do more than one thing at a time.

      We don’t have to choose between the RH Bill and other programs for the country.

      The RH Bill does not, in any way, impede the country from having programs for Jobs, Housing and fight corruption.

      We can agree that the country has many many problems.
        – reproductive healthcare
        – jobs
        – housing
        – crime
        – corruption

      These are all different problems, and therefore require different solutions.

      The RH Bill is one of those solutions. It’s a step in the right direction.

      Empowering the people with information and free medical service, and letting them choose the Family Planning method that is in line with their own beliefs. I think we can both agree that that is a good thing.

      RH Bill, it’s a step in the right direction.

      • joshmale2004

        Well explained. Good example of Multi-Tasking.

      • Cruxofthematter

        Thanks for agreeing, finally….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DO7ACWCHNOOUPYEUWAEWXM5CDU TADA_SOLO

      You are equating apples to oranges in comparing our society with advance countries including Australia. They can afford to address and encouraged people to have kids by their system and all developed countries have a progressive tax system to support families. What you are doing is selectively highlight other countries to advance your argument but failed to mentioned the intent which is to raise and manage a family according to their means.
      The RH Bill is specifically targeted to poor women of the Philippines who are living in miserable and subhuman conditions and who are failing without goverment support to provide proper care and nourishment to their children and live like human beings. It is easy for us armchair “generals” to debate these issues when we have food to eat and a shelter to live on while millions continue to suffer. It is injustice and not in the spirit of humanity to ignore their suffering and to continue the same argument advance by the religious community that has not work for so many years to help the women of the Philippines. The discomfort on the religious community to used artificial methods by choice and without coercion and empower poor women to decide based on their needs and religious belief is utterly unbelievable and does not live up to their spiritual argument

    • Jane Tan

      Although Pope already gave a reply, and even though I agree with him, I feel that his stand is still very idealistic.

      kuz_n_efek – Let’s say it is true that proper release of funds will lead to an increase in living conditions (even though this is not true with the population growth v economy growth). After 14 years of saying that and holding back the RH Bill, did we accomplish such a feat? Are we supposed to wait another 15 years to see if it will ever happen?

    • Seaflip

      This is really a mathematical approach to our galloping population growth, not exactly politics and corruption alone.  We unfortunately have an economy that does not produce enough resources to sustain our population expansion. Our per capita income if you noticed is not at par with other southeast asian nations and it’s no rocket science why.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EZGWJIG3ZZLKXY2O6KJEBKIFOY William

    Ano ba ang aasahan natin sa CBCP kundi pahirap lang! KAILANGAN talaga sana ay ipaglaban natin ang Separation of Church and State. Masyado ng PAKIALAMERO itong mga Paring ito! Hoyyyyy…. Pilipino gising na……… Wala tayong patutungohan kung palagi nalang tayong inaalipin ng mga pari…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

      anong aasahan ng bayan sa mga CBCP na yan, nasa simbahan lang at nagpapalaki ng tyan……ang laman ng mga refrigirator ng mga yan hamon, ma-mahaling alak, manga pagkain galing sa ibang bansa..itoy personal na nasaksihan ko….

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    Priest who had sex with boys now tells how to smuggle ivory

    National Geographic‘s new issue exposes the ivory business, which has been hiding in plain sight since a worldwide trade ban was enacted in 1989. And a major player in the magazine’s story is a priest in the Philippines whom I wrote about in 2005 when investigating another global-trafficking phenomenon — the Catholic Church’s movement of sexual abuse suspects across international borders to escape justice.

    The priest, Monsignor Cristobal Garcia, is now quoted as explaining how to smuggle ivory into the United States: “Wrap it in old, stinky underwear and pour ketchup on it.” And if an icon won’t fit in a suitcase? Here’s how National Geographic‘s Bryan Christy summarizes Garcia’s advice: “I might get a certificate from the National Museum of the Philippines declaring my image to be antique, or I could get a carver to issue a paper declaring it to be imitation or alter the carving date to before the ivory ban.”

    Garcia also made provocative comments when I interviewed him about why he fled the U.S. in 1985. He admitted having sex with altar boys and supplying them with drugs

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    The CBCP is wasting their time, if the convictions of these 64 solons were so strongly against the RH Bill, then they would have showed up to vote the last time. 

    si pacquiao nga, kakatapos lang ma-knockout, pero naka-boto pa din.

    These 64 solons are either too afraid to put their votes on record, and will therefore continue to abstain. Or they will most likely vote to approve, because that’s the safest political choice.

    The CBCP should stop creating a division in the country, and just focus on endorsing their preferred family planning method to their own church goers.

    Tanggapin na ang pagkatalo, and move on.

    • joshmale2004

      Most logical assessment I’ve read.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    STOP DONATING YOUR MONEY TO THE RICH AND CORRUPT BISHOP..
    The Bank Investments Of Different Dioceses

    Diocese / Church Foundation Company # Shares Owned Rank in Top 100 Total Investment Value

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 222,843,681 4th PHP12.724 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (REAL CASA DE MISERICORDIA) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 41,408,841 8th PHP2.364 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA (HOSPITAL DE SAN JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 22,072,182 13th PHP1.26 Billion

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSPICIO DE SAN JOSE) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 6,016,624 15th PHP343.55 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (HOSP DE SA JUAN DE DIOS) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 4,285,572 17th PHP244.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (MAYORDOMIA DELA CATEDRAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 2,664,266 21st PHP152.13 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MLA (ST. PAUL`S HOSPITAL) Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 1,772,418 26th PHP101.21 Million

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 726,819 49th PHP41.50 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 551,382 60th PHP31.48 Million
    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF JARO Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) 491,385 64th PHP28.06 Million

    EL SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION FILIPINA DE PADRES AGUSTINOS RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 2,370,000 31st PHP260.70 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION ARCHICOFRADIA DE N.P.J.N DE RECOLETOS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 1,234,603 75th PHP135.81 Million

    CARMEL OF THE DIVINE INFANT JESUS OF PRAGUE, INC. San Miguel Corp (SMC) 957,516 79th PHP105.33 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO San Miguel Corp (SMC) 856,639 81st PHP94.23 Million

    REAL MONASTERIO DE LA PURISIMA CONCEPCION DE NUESTRA MADRE SANTA CLARA DE MANILA San Miguel Corp (SMC) 809,834 83rd PHP89.08 Million

    SUPERIOR DE LA CORPORACION DE PADRES RECOLETOS POR BECAS Y VOCACIONES San Miguel Corp (SMC) 621,702 89th PHP68.39 Million
    CARMEL OF ST THERESE OF THE CHILD JESUS San Miguel Corp (SMC) 592,956 91st PHP65.23 Million

    THE DISCALCED CARMELITE NUNS OF CEBU San Miguel Corp (SMC) 451,864 95th PHP49.71 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF NUEVA SEGOVIA DE VIGAN San Miguel Corp (SMC) 428,067 98th PHP47.09 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,221,135 15th PHP66.68 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY – B Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,125,777 16th PHP64.70 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY-A Philex Mining Corp (PX) 1,091,027 69th PHP22.58 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TUGUEGARAO Ayala Corporation (AC) 24,015 73rd PHP9.29 Million

    KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION OF THE PHILS, INC. Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – A (ACPA) 60,000 2nd PHP31.80 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF TAGBILARAN Ayala Corporation Preferred Shares – B (ACPR) 10,000 64th PHP1.02 Million

    DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY OF ST. VINCENT DE PAUL PHINMA Corp. (PHN) 159,575 19th PHP2.12 Million

    ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE OF JUAN DE DIOS PHINMA…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

       the worms are coming out the catholic church pandora’s box, the government should impose taxes on these wealths otherwise the pigs that feed on it will only get fatter & fatter…..!!!!

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    Philex disaster, mining-related rights violations

    Philex Mining have mine spill accidents in both of its operations in Negros Occidental and Zamboanga del Norte Occidental in 1995 and 1997, respectively. Mine leakage were recorded in the Philex Bulawan gold mine which resulted in the massive siltation of Sipalay River in Negros and the Philex dam overflow in its Sibutad gold project which caused fish kills in Zamboanga del Norte.

    CHURCH Invested your (Donation Money )in Mining which is the caused of Natural calamity in the Philippines

    ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,221,135 15th PHP66.68 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY – B Philex Mining Corp (PX) 3,125,777 16th PHP64.70 Million

    RELIGIOUS OF THE VIRGIN MARY-A Philex Mining Corp (PX) 1,091,027 69th PHP22.58 Million

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    The Philippines Catholic Church sexual abuse  

    Hundreds suspectedAccording to the president of the Catholic Bishops Conference, Archbishop Orlando Quevedo, about 200 of the country’s 7,000 priests may have committed “sexual misconduct” – including child abuse, homosexuality and affairs – over the past two decades.

  • ztefertilizerscam9

    The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of convictions, trials and investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse crimes committed by Catholic priests and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as 3 years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14

  • Marx Louis Wang

    Okay sa CBCP ang magsabi na iboto ang RH bill pero kapag ang Malakanyang naman ang gagawa nito hindi puwede? Ano yan? Kabalastugan!!! Labo!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSJCTNLHUT5JVA3BZHJUCWAPRE banikab

    Priest in Centre
    of a Storm

     

    Msgr. Cristobal
    Garcia is one of the most prominent faces of the Catholic church in the
    Philippines.

     

    He oversees
    worship practices for an archdiocese of 3 million believers. He bears the baby
    Jesus’ image during annual ceremonies that draw thousands  into the
    streets. 

    He led his
    cardinal’s advance team in Rome five years ago when Pope John Paul II declared
    a Filipino sainthood candidate to be blessed.

     

    Now the
    suspended senior Catholic priest faces a new scandal as law enforcement
    authorities launch an investigation into the smuggling of elephant ivory to
    feed a passion for religious icons in the deeply religious Philippines.

    The Vatican had
    quietly stripped Monsignor Cristobal Garcia of his positions in the Archdiocese
    of Cebu in June — but not made it public — over accusations that he molested
    altar boys in the United States 20 years ago. He denies the claims.

    Monsignor
    Garcia, who rose to prominence in the Philippines despite the sex allegations,
    has been implicated in the illegal trade of ivory in a new scandal that has
    rocked the Catholic Church, which has used icons made of ivory for centuries.

    A National
    Geographic magazine cover story identifies a Philippine Catholic priest accused
    of sexual abuse in the United States as fueling his country’s illegal trade in
    ivory.

    In the course of
    his research for the October issue, Bryan Christy learned that Msgr. Cristobal
    Garcia, director of worship for the archdiocese of Cebu, Philippines, had been
    accused of child sex abuse more than two decades ago but was still serving in
    priestly ministry, reported the Catholic News Service.

    The article
    highlights Garcia’s extensive ivory religious icon collection and quotes him
    giving tips on how to smuggle ivory into the Philippines. It also included
    details of the sexual abuse complaint against him from the 1980s, when he
    served as a Dominican priest in the archdiocese of Los Angeles. He was expelled
    from the Dominicans and returned to the Philippines.

    In a statement
    Sept. 26, the Cebu archdiocese said the Vatican had been looking into the
    sexual abuse complaints against Garcia “long before the (ivory trade)
    controversy erupted.”

    “I have also
    fulfilled the Holy See’s instructions regarding submission of documents and
    acting upon related consequences,” Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma said in the
    statement.

    At a news
    conference the same day, a diocesan official said the Vatican had ordered
    Garcia suspended from priestly ministry months ago while he is investigated on
    the charges.

    “Let it be made
    clear that the Church supports the ban on ivory as it is consistent with her
    doctrine on stewardship of creation,” the archbishop’s statement said. “The
    Church does not condone ivory smuggling or other illegal activities, although
    in the past, ivory was one of the materials used in the adornment of liturgical
    worship.”

    The Philippines
    is a signatory of the international Convention on International Trade of
    Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, which means importing ivory to the
    country is illegal, according to Philippine Bureau of Customs Commissioner
    Rozzano Rufino Biazon. He explained that anything covered by CITES would have
    to comply with the country’s tariffs and customs code and violations could
    result in imprisonment of six years.

    “And depending
    on the item that’s being imported, applicable laws could bring further
    penalties to make those longer sentences,” said Biazon.

    There are also
    fines, but the bureau’s chief of staff of intelligence and investigations,
    Rainier Ragos, called them “minimal, much less than 100,000 Philippine pesos
    ($2,400 U.S.).” He said pending legislation in the Philippine congress would
    impose tougher smuggling fines.

    A 2011 Pachyderm
    Journal article said law enforcement on the ivory trade in the Philippines is
    “generally poor.”

    Palma said that
    religious items made of ivory in the Philippines pre-dated its ban on the trade
    imposed in 1990.

    In the National
    Geographic article, Christy wrote that the anteroom of Garcia’s walled compound
    is “a mini-museum dominated by large, glass-encased religious figures whose
    heads and hands are made of ivory: There is an ivory Our Lady of the Rosary
    holding an ivory Jesus in one, a near-life-size ivory Mother of the Good
    Shepherd seated beside an ivory Jesus in another. Next to  Garcia’s desk a
    solid ivory Christ hangs on a cross.”

    The article
    indicates religious practice — Catholic and Buddhist — is a driving force in
    the desire for ivory.

    Christy, who
    travelled multiple times to Asia for his story, told Catholic News Service in
    an interview: “In my experience, the devotion to ivory as a religious icon was
    strongest in the Philippines. In the other places, it was ivory investment even
    though the image was a religious image, there was … often a more shallow sort
    of link, whereas the Filipino collectors that I met truly were devoted.”

    From 1989 to
    2011, more than 40,000 kg of ivory was seized in China, although National
    Geographic indicated that represents only a fraction of what gets through. The
    Philippines ranked fifth, at more than 11,000 kg.

    The struggle to
    eradicate ivory smuggling is a deadly one. National Geographic reported that in
    the first six months of this year, 23 poachers were killed in Kenya. As for
    casualties on the side of law enforcement in the same time frame, Christy told
    Catholic News Service that “in Kenya alone a half-dozen (rangers) have been
    killed, and you can spread that number across Africa. People are killed every
    year protecting the elephants.”

    Religious icons
    and statues are popular among Catholics in the Philippines and those made of
    pure ivory are among the most treasured.

    Many churches
    have ivory statues of baby Jesus or one of the saints celebrated during
    festivals.

    The Philippine
    media is reporting that many religious specialty shops across the country
    openly sell pure ivory icons.

    Monsignor
    Garcia, who is based in Talisay City in Cebu province, was expelled from the
    Dominican Order in 1986 over allegations he sexually abused boys in Los
    Angeles.

    But he has
    remained a priest in the Philippines, where he founded the Society of the Angel
    Peace and is chairman of the Archdiocese Commission on Worship. 

    – Agencies

     

    • joshmale2004

      Sabi nga nila. BIRDS OF THE SAME FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER. Hindi nila yan aalisin. The only solution is put him in jail. Separation of church and State does not cover crimes committed by PEDOS.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSJCTNLHUT5JVA3BZHJUCWAPRE banikab

    CITY OF SAN FERNANDO—A man has sued his wife and her supposed lover, a Catholic priest, for alleged adultery and unjust vexation at the Angeles City prosecutor’s office.
    The man on Wednesday went ahead with filing the complaint although Archbishop Paciano Aniceto, head of the Archdiocese of San Fernando, Pampanga, had suspended Fr. Jeffrey Louie Maghirang in July after receiving the complainant’s appeal, according to Fr. Larry Sarmiento, head of the archdiocese’s conciliation and arbitration committee.
    Adultery carries a penalty of eight years to 12 years in prison.
    The controversy broke out as Aniceto was less than a year away from mandatory retirement.
    Maghirang, who was just in his first year in the priesthood, could not be reached for comment. “He’s in a discernment period,” Sarmiento said, assuring that the priest would appear in court hearings.
    “We will not obstruct justice because we preach truth,” said Sarmiento, the designated spokesperson in the case.
    This is known to be the first case in the 50-year-old archdiocese that has reached the court although members of the laity have information about priests who have sired children, keep families, practice homosexuality, abuse minors, gamble habitually or mismanage finances.
    In at least two cases, Aniceto is known to give his erring priests chances to reform.
    The complainant asked not to be named to protect his son. Last Sept. 20, the court approved an arrangement for the man and his wife to share custody of the boy.
    Married in 2009, the couple has separated, with the man blaming the priest for turning a “once happy family into a miserable one.”
    In the three-page complaint released to Inquirer on Friday, the man submitted proof of the alleged illicit affair that he said he documented through electronic gadgets he installed in the family’s computer.
    He claimed to have confirmed the romantic relationship of the two last April.
    To convince the priest’s immediate superior, Auxiliary Bishop Pablo Virgilio David, to believe him, the man showed a text message, with the priest purportedly saying, “Sige na babes, sleep na tayo, gagawa pa ko ng homily (Let’s sleep babes, I still have to make my homily).”
    In the complaint, he said the priest should be dismissed, saying his “continuous service in the priesthood would destroy the high respect of Catholics and other religious members of our society to the Catholic religion.”
    The complainant served as a member of the Knights of the Altar when he was a boy. Tonette Orejas, Inquirer Central Luzon

    • joshmale2004

      Sabi nga nila. BIRDS OF THE SAME FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER. Hindi nila yan aalisin. The only solution is put him in jail. Separation of church and State does not cover crimes committed by PEDOS.

  • Luthmar

    Excuse me, dito po sa Switzerland hindi mas maraming baka kaysa tao.  Nag-iimport ng
    steak ang Switzerland kaya napakamahal ng kahit na anong klase ng karne.  Perhaps in
    New Zealand totoo ang sinasabi mo.

    True, population in Switzerland is not even the size of the population of Metro Manila.  In Geneva, especially, more than half of the population are foreigners.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RSJCTNLHUT5JVA3BZHJUCWAPRE banikab

    Top Catholic leaders have blamed a
    drop in believers on the Church’s closed and bureaucratic ways and hypocrisy in
    its ranks, as well as a hostile secularist society.

     

    We have lost credibility

    - Italian
    Archbishop Salvatore Fisichella

    Bishops gathered for a synod aimed at
    boosting the flagging Church and met Pope Benedict XVI for a closed-door
    session in which they vented their frustration and exasperation over a decline
    in faith.

    “We have lost credibility,” Italian
    Archbishop Salvatore Fisichella said. “We have closed in on ourselves… we
    have turned a life of faith and ritual into bureaucracy.”

    Mgr Fisichella, head of the
    Pontifical Council for Evangelisation, told his colleagues they had become
    “cautious about speaking out”.

    After prepared speeches, some of the
    bishops addressed the Pope.

    “It is difficult to find the courage
    to evangelise. We are afraid,” one European archbishop said. “Christians are
    afraid to talk to those who have distanced themselves, to those who are
    hostile.”

    While Mgr Fisichella blamed “a world
    permeated only by scientific culture” for the drop in believers, Philippine
    Bishop Socrates Villegas said the root of the problem lay with Church arrogance
    and hypocrisy.

    “Why is there a strong wave of secularisation,
    antipathy or plain cold indifference towards the Church in some parts of the
    world, necessitating a new wave of evangelisation programmes?” he asked.

    “Evangelisation has been hurt and
    continues to be impeded by the arrogance of its messengers.

    “The hierarchy must shun arrogance,
    hypocrisy and bigotry.

    “We must punish the errant among us
    instead of covering up our own mistakes,” he said, in an apparent reference to
    the widespread child sex-abuse scandal in the Church, which involved bishops
    accused of protecting suspects.

    “Our experience in the Third World
    tells me that the gospel can be preached to empty stomachs but only if the
    preacher’s stomach is as empty as his parishioners’,” he said, calling on the
    Church to adopt “a new face of charity ”.

    Bishop Josè Rauda Gutierrez from El
    Salvador pointed the finger at the clergy, blaming it for a “loss of pastoral
    enthusiasm and missionary impulse”.

    Bishops from Africa and the Middle
    East said little progress had been made in dialogue with Islam.

     

  • Albert Einstien

    CBCP should expose who the DEVIL 666 now  before it’s too late!

    the FAITHFUL should NOT wear YELLOW RIBBON anymore…..

    yellow RIBBON symbol number equivalent is 666…
    ( symbols are used for SUBLIMINAL mind control ).
    yellow ribbon is a symbol for WAR,DEATH, CHAOS,GENOCIDE SUICIDES, DISASTER…it is a sign of hardship & negative feelings…negative feelings give power& strength to EVIL..

    write 6 on a piece of paper = 6

    at the back write 6 at the same spot of the first 6 = 6

    turn it to front and trace second 6 = 6

    VIOLA! = 666

    yellow ribbon symbol –the MARK- the KEY

    Tie a yellow ribbon song…in biblical senseBus driver, please look for me’ Cause I couldn’t bear to see what I might see
    I’m( DEVIL ) really still in prison, and my love ( zombies ) she holds the KEY.A simple yellow ribbon’s what I need to set me FREE…!

    yellow ribbon strengthen, summons & FREE the DEVIL ….!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=543303722 Izah Magtibay

      good troll or just really wtf

    • http://www.facebook.com/pinoy.atheista Pinoy Atheista

       Uhm, the 666 has been already debunked as a propaganda of “st. John” referring to the ancient roman emperor Nero.

  • mangtom

    I LOVE THIS ONE:

    andrew limCollapse
    A response to Bishop Villegas: In Jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!andrew limCollapse
    A response to Bishop Villegas: In Jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!andrew limCollapse
    A response to Bishop Villegas:
     
    In Jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!andrew limCollapseA response to Bishop Villegas: In Jest: KUNG WALANG BISHOP, WALANG MAHIRAP!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLPCCEL5ADIWVG7GICVNRNP3OA I Love This game

    What’s the difference between the Pajero bishops & the GMA follower? Just asking….

    • joshmale2004

      Pajero Bishops are bribed to shut their eyes and mouth against GMA while GMA follower are being paid to act as their attack dogs.

  • windhawl

    accessible education – Christian schools, colleges, universities are one of the most expensive. if the CBCP would want to promote accessible education they should walk the talk… 

    better hospital – indeed Christian hospital are one of the best, well equipped, but that would ask people to pay ten thousands even hundreds thousands all in the name of Charitable and non-profit organization.

    • joshmale2004

      They are the most expensive schools and hospitals. and yet they don’t pay taxes. They disguise their business as non-profit organization to avoid paying taxes.

  • Luthmar

    Pls lang po CBCP.  Speak for yourselves.  Majority of the Filipino people have already found justice in the, for now, acceptance of the RH Bill.  We urge the president to sign, straight away, into law the RH Bill once it is approved in the 3rd reading.  This will be justice for the poor Filipino women.

  • Cruxofthematter

    Pharisees.

  • joshmale2004

    Now that the majority is fed up of the lies being propagated by CBCP, slowly, accounts of the Catholic church’s unGodly activities especially their priests, are coming out in this forum. Keep them coming and don’t be afraid anymore.

  • mangtom

    All my life, I am now many, many decades old, I have loved, respected, adored, befriended, admired, put on pedestal the Catholic church because most of my friends up to this day are members of the Catholic church. I am NOT Catholic.

    Sad to say, ever since this issue on RH bill has been discussed I find it hard to suppress my feeling of disillusionment, disgust, almost hatred, disdain, and rejection of the Catholic Church. These bishops do not reflect my idea of Catholicism. They have corrupted my mind about the church, although I stick with my friends and relatives who live upright lives. To me CBCP is the embodiment of the DEVIL himself. I feel nausea whenever I hear of read the FOUR letter word, it beats the FOUR letter word that starts with F and ends in K.

    CBCP is full of VENOM. Can’t stand it anymore, so help me GOD of Abraham, God of Moise and MY God.

  • mangtom

    The problem that I see about the CBCP is that the members have symptoms of being psychopaths. Why? They equate their “convoluted mentality” as that of God’s word. Nothing can be further from truth. They insist that what they say is the Word of God. No one else can say that except them. In other words, EVERYONE else is loco, no brain, ignorant and has NO RIGHT  to contradict the pronouncement of the CBCP. This is not bordering psychopathy; IT IS PSYCHOPATHY. Will some trained professional please help?

    Pass the RH bill.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

       mangtom, yes trained professionals will now come to you to help you.

  • bagombong

    ano ba naman itong mga Bishop na ito..pinakikiusapan nyo ang mga congressman ay puro wala rin konsensya ang mga ito…nakikiusap kayo dahil lang sa RH bill na yan eh ang pinakikiusapan nyo ay mga corrupt din at magnanakaw…ano ba naman kayo..di na lang tumahimik..ang tao pa rin ang magdi-decide kung ano ang gusto nila…di nyo sila mauutusan…

  • joshmale2004

    Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas, CBCP vice-president, urged the 64 lawmakers to “seek justice for the Filipino people,” adding that the RH Bill was being “gift wrapped to look like a gift for maternal health care” when “it will lead to greater crimes against women.”
    The truth is our women are more in danger from these maniac priests (I’m not saying all but there are a lot of playboy priests). That’s why they don’t want our women to be protected by RH Law so they can continue their dominance on our women.

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    God Loves His Children.  Catholicism seeks to keep them mired in ignorance and poverty. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    I would like to read:  INC asks the solons to vote for RH Bill.

  • Albert Einstien

    evil wins ……but 104 votes are enough to impeach the devil in our midst!….go cbcp show what stuff you are made of……..  tentacles of devil is omnipresent & overpowering  but your true faith will vindicate you…..blessed are the faithful…..

  • pcosmachine

    The TRUE COLOR of the Roman Catholic Church is revealed. They are the TRUE DICTATORS both of the old and modern world. No wonder their flock of worshippers continues to dwindle throughout the years. The respect for them is gone. Their faithfuls are starting to question their true intentions.

    The Philippine Roman Catholic Church is the richest and most powerful corporation (or mafia) in the country. All those cash and property (real estate, jewelry, religious icons, automobiles) donations that they receive are all tax free and become their real assets. And then they will invest those tax-free real assets to make them grow even bigger. The Ayala’s, Sy’s and Tan’s wealth is nothing compared to the wealth of the PH Roman Cathollic Church.

    Now they want TO DICTATE the 64 solons to vote on the RH bill in their favor. Since when can the Church dictate the State to express their exercise to vote according to its favor.

    NO TO DICTATORSHIP OF THESE CATHOLIC BISHOPS!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

       pcos, satan is constantly attacking the church through his followers. Now we know your color.

  • willbillywilly

    It was the high priest Annas, Caiaphas & members of the Pharisees that filed charges of blasphemy against Christ which led to our Lord crucifixion & they claimed to have the wisdom of God, while ordinary citizens believed he was our saviour.

  • Albert Einstien

    RISE my Philippines RISE “

    EVERY Filipino Family will be MULTI-millionaires by 2050
    ( both muslim & christian brothers )
    your grandsons & granddaughters will be masters of the world

    NO Filipino will suffer SLAVERY in foreign land..

    PROTECT these resources with utmost PATRIOTISM…

    Why are we always in poverty & war?

    Why they dont want the archipelago to be UNITED?

    Why are we targeted for Population & de-population control ?

    Why is the Philippines targeted for brain-drain & intellectuals are pirated abroad?

    Why are we NOT allowed to have a POWERFUL ARMed FORCES ?

    Why are we having lunatic leaders & family of traitors as our champions & leaders?

    ANSWER : Foreign Interest/s manipulated us because PHILIPPINES is the RICHEST country in the WORLD”

    Literally philippines is a PARADISE in a land of GOLD blessed by GOD ( Gold,gas Oil & Deuterium ).. “

    we the most evolved & intelligent human specie are walking literally in a land of gold

    ISLAND PARADISE

    An archipelago comprising 7,107 islands, the Philippines is categorized broadly into three main geographical divisions: Luzon, Visayas, & Mindanao. In addition the BENHAM Rise.. 250 km wide new territory. The Philippines’ rainforests and its extensive coastlines make it home to a diverse range of birds, plants, animals, and sea creatures. It is one of the ten most biologically megadiverse countires and is at or near the top in terms of biodiversity per unit area. Our beautiful islands are the envy of the world we are surrounded by soft white & pearly black beaches. Most of the mountainous islands are covered in tropical rainforest and volcanic in origin. The Apo Reef is the country’s largest contiguous coral reef system and the second-largest in the world. The Philippines has a tropical maritime climate and is usually hot and humid. There are three seasons: the hot dry season or summer the rainy season ; and the cool dry season . The perfect climate system in the Philippines makes its air and atmosphere free from man made pollution after the system of storms cleansed the territory during rainy season & disinfecting the land by exposure to the sun’s ultra-violet rays in hot dry season. This is the best country in world to live in if the insurgency problem caused by poverty is solved by the tapping of the nation’s resource thereby freeing the people from poverty.. Located within the Pacific Rim of Fire, the Philippine archipelago is hypothesized as having been formed 43 million years ago. Its 7,109 islands rest on top of underwater mountains formed by the outpourings of molten rocks from the earth’s interior, thus creating an ideal setting for mineral deposition. (After Wolfe, J.A., “Origin of the Philippines by Accumulation of Allochthons” in The Philippine Geologist July- September 1983 Issue, p.17) In the archipelago, resurgent volcanoes particularly provided access for rising gold-bearing solutions which cool to the geotherm of 300 degrees Celsius at about 400 m depth. At this point, the gold began to precipitate and epithermal gold deposits were formed over geologic time of 1.5 million years from the present time. (After Wolfe, J. A., in International Mineral Development Sourcebook, 1993)

    HUMAN resource…HUGE POPULATION …our economic & political savior…!

    we are the ONLY Country in the world ..who speaks 175 languages & dialects with literacy rate of 93.4% . Most speak fluent & write foreign languge like english , spanish,nihongo,arabic, mandarin,hindi, & malay than country of origin..some elderly can still speak latin…Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2 dialects..while the rest of the world can speak only english & their native tounge…the people are educated, fun loving, resilient, hospitable & industrious… in fact , currently the economy is heavily reliant on remittances which surpass foreign direct investment as a source of foreign currency. Therefore the more population more benefit for the economy. The Philippines need a HUGE population & Army if it intends to tap the resources otherwise foreign invasion can easily land on its shores & control can be had without a sweat.…as of now we are ALREADY NO.1 as BPO in the world, & our OFWS are loved by their employers..BPo is contributing $12 billion & OFWs are contributing $21 billion a year..that is why we have a FC reserve of $82 billion ang its GROWING HANDSOMELY…without them (OFW & BPO)….our ECONOMY should have collapsed already..our .POPULATION is the BACKBONE of the economy NOT the NOYNOYING & CREDIT GRABBING govt…When we begin to tap our resources we will recall ALL our OFWs & those who migrated to HELP build the country as the wealthest & strongest nation on earth…we need huge population to attain this dream & endeavor.MINERAL resource…..Initial Lode and placer GOLD DEPOSITS occur in most of the 73 out of 83 provinces in the Philippines.The ten provinces were not properly tested yet due to internal conflicts & war. The 1996 $2.1TRILLION value resource ( govt ) estimate based on conservative 10% ( $21 trillion total estimate ) maybe deficient and could double to $42 trillion or more of the actual resource.. . … such amount could catapult this country to first world status .. we could even buy americas $16 Trillion debt..Also, we have .$26.3-Trillion Oil Reserves ..Country’s Untapped Deposits Mostly In Spratlys Philippines News Agency April 25, 2012, MANILA, Philippines- The Philippines is “sitting on a mountain of gold,” with untapped hydrocarbon deposits estimated at $26.3 trillion, mostly found in the disputed Spratly chain of islands, more than enough to free the country from the shackles of poverty.Also if we are able to claim SABAH… It has the potential to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day,” “The estimated reserves from the present Sabah oilfields is 1.4 billion barrels of oil and 7.7 trillion scf of gas.” …Malaysia govt does not even give our sabahan brothers share of their on wealth ONLY PETRONAS ( govt corp ) which give sabah a PITIFUL royalty of 5%…That amount is even without considering the UNQUANTIFIABLE value today (maybe thousands of $ trillion ) of the resources that can be found in our new territory called the BENHAM rise a 250km wide domain which is perceived to contain very huge oil & gas deposits & the envy of world for we are the proud owner of the vast DEUTERIUM deposits with a 868 mile long find in Philippine trench. With these resources properly tapped we are bigger than america & arabia combined.. : .yet many potential mineral & natural reserves are still HIDDEN n our archpelago..

    .BENHAM RISE new Philippine territory 250 km wide –GMA LEGACY!

    Despite its proximity to the archipelago, the plateau was previously not included in the territory of the Philippine Islands. On 8 April 2009 ( GMA govt. filed the claim to UN now we owned it.. eventually our history & after the political vendettas ….legislature might rename the benham rise to GMA rise to give honor to its finder/claimant .. ), the Republic of the Philippines lodged a partial territorial waters claim with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in relation to the continental shelf in the region of Benham Rise. The UN has officially approved the claim in April 2012. The Philippines may soon be able to provide its own energy through Benham Rise, an underwater ridge to the east of Luzon which is believed to have mineral and gas deposits. The Philippines claim over Benham Rise is “very relevant” because scientific surveys indicate minerals and natural gas in the area. Solidified methane was found during mapping activities and the “probability is very high” there are oil deposits. There may be more natural gas than oil, and is considered better because it is cleaner. Benham Rise, which is bigger than Luzon, Samar, and Leyte combined, is being claimed solely by the Philippines..

    GREATEST of them ALL- “ DEUTERIUM the Gift of Nature “-MARCOS LEGACY…

    in ADDITION to the LEGACY of marcos like malampaya & other gas & oil fields…DEUTERIUM marcos legacy is the BEST …“ the Philippines trench has the LARGEST DEPOSIT of deuterium with 868 mile long 52 mile wide “If we allow production even for just a portion of this natural deposit… the Philippines will already become a first world country.. what more if we produce a quarter of it… Deuterium has several commercial and scientific uses today. It has become much more than the heavy water many countries sought after during World War II.Deuterium, a form of concentrated hydrogen, is used in the production of natural gas now utilized in Canada, America, Germany and Sweden, to provide fuel for cars, trucks , jet planes, & deuterium fuel for fusion reactors.”Deuterium can replace gasoline, (liquefied petroleum gas), (liquefied natural gas), Avgas, etc. in powering all types of internal combustion engines including maybe SPACE ships of the future & can be use in space explorations…. It does not emit pollutants or any harmful carbon monoxide and does not cause any environmental problems because it is in the water family. We can build electric nuclear plants in the middle of the URBAN cities of the world ! we will power & feed the world at the same time.Just imagine the philippines at the forefront of human evolution, science , technology & space exploration.The GOOD news is we have UNLIMITED deposit of it…it is self replenishing..!

    WE NEED HUGE POPULATION to DEFEND & PROTECT these resources..if the foreign imposed RH bill will murder our future generation…..our country & people will be SLAVES forever!!

    this is not a sotto or church argument…

    this is for LOVE of COUNTRY….

    NO to RH Bill..!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

      hoy gising, malalim ang panaginip mo !!!!

    • Jane Tan

      1. Human Resource – Lack of Jobs
      2. Deuterium – Myth
      3. Huge Standing Army – In your dreams

      • Albert Einstien

        you are CHINESE….of course….you want enslave my people….FOREVER!

      • Jane Tan

        I’m Filipino. This is merely an alias. Just as I’m sure yours is as well.

        Your people? Enslave them by giving them a choice rather than force them to have a child? Better read-up on the definition of “enslave”.

        Everyone here note the way an anti-RH argues. Baseless, senseless, threatening, hostile accusations without addressing the argument itself.

  • catmanjohn

    What False Hypocrites…CBCP!!!!!! Use of condoms is corruption of the soul?
    Corruption of the soul is all the brothels that operate under your nose and you have done nothing of comparison to help the poor women of that trade to give them another economic option. Corruption is your patron Gloria Arroyo who had the audacity, with her husband, to rob the Nation of hundreds of millions of dollars, and you guys said nothing. Corruption is where your priest not only allow pedophiles in your ranks, but support an illegal ivory trade by purchasing false idolatry, even the practice of illegal smuggling. SO DO NOT LAY YOUR FILTHY GUILT UPON THOSE WHO WANT THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE AND SELF DETERMINATION. Lift up those unpractical skirts and go help the victims of the typhoon with the same vigor you oppose contraception and restore some faith and self respect for the TRUTH.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

       cat, when you attack the church you are attacking Christ. Can you stand against the Lord of Lords?

      • catmanjohn

        What false premises are you weaving to protect your illogical reasoning? This exact BS you espouse is the reason why the Protestant religion exist. You blind and falsely pious dodos are the reason the Catholic Church is full of corrupt hypocrites, devious pedophiles, and worshipers of false idolatry. Jesus Christ is TRUTH, LOVE, and COMPASSION, and we can all find that equally without claiming to be Catholic.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

    “mag-ingat sa mga hwad na propheta” yan ang mga tunay na kampon ni satanas !!!!

    • txtman

      IM SURE YOU’RE REFERRING TO LAGMAN

      PITIFUL

  • catmanjohn

    One more thing CBCP…. why do you not fight   p o r n o g r a p h y with the same vigor you oppose the RH BILL? There lies the greatest corruptor of the human soul. 

  • mangtom

    kuz_n_efekCollapseRampant CORRUPTION in every corner of PH society is the utmost cause of people being deprived of their basic needs. If all tax payers’ monies are properly collected & properly distributed to different government agencies- with proper accounting of released funds, Filipinos will certainly be experiencing a decent kind of living condition. If this process of governance is fully implemented, then I think RH Bill would only be an alibi or excuse for government officials, from top to bottom for being greedy & irresponsible individuals.Sagut: straight challenge to you: if you include the Catholic Church, which is involved in a lot of business activities, as I am told or have read, then I agree with you one million per cent. If not, your idea is nothing but CRAP, CRAP, CRAP a four letter word like CBCP. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL2GYU35SO6HTJUEAUTXS3QFYM George Lapulapu

    i really don’t get this….

    contraceptives is not mandatory…women are not forced to take it of they don’t want it…

    the church has only to educate her flocks..period. but for the church to stop the state from pursuing a public policy is an admission that the church does not hold their flock loyalty….

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    Our legislators should be reminded that the doctrine of separation of church and state is one of the most civilizing doctrines in the art of government that a great part of mankind has learned not through mere abstraction in the classroom but in the cruel and bloody field of actual human experience    It is a lesson learned at the cost of millions of lives.

    More important, our legislators should not forget that even in this age religious tyranny can indirectly be perpetrated through the government itself.  That is, when government allows itself to be dictated upon by a religious group.  When it becomes a mere handmaiden of a church. The doctrine of separation of church and state, which can be encapsulated in the saying, “Strong fences make good neighbours,” seeks to preserve government as government for all the people of various faiths living within a state and not government subservient to a particular belief system or a moral code espoused by any religious group regardless of the numbers, strength, or longevity of such a group.

    Translated into the legislative arena, legislators should not allow the so-called “moral concerns” of a religious denomination to prevail over proposed solutions advanced through the democratic process and which rationally and scientifically address societal problems that affect the general welfare of a people.  To do otherwise is to favor dogma over science, to shirk from duty due to imagined fears, and to lose freedom of action  by abandoning reason.   In our country, the big cracks and enormous holes in the wall of separation between church and state must be mended, not enlarged.

  • joshmale2004

    “The poor are being promised a better life through the RH Bill. It will not be so. The poor can rise from their misery through more accessible education, better hospitals and lesser government corruption,” Villegas said.

    NOW, Villegas is talking about lessening corruption when the current Government under Pnoy are trying their best to put to justice previous Government officials who nearly put our country into bankcruptcy. Had Villegas and the Catholic Church stood up against corruption 10 years ago, we would not be suffering the effect of corruption now. Anyway, with the vast assets and riches of the Catholic church and their many businesses (schools, hospitals, mining investments, stock certificates) which they claim as non-profits, it’s about time they have to pay their dues and taxes. With the billions they have, the taxes they will pay will have a positive impact on our economic recovery and social services.

  • txtman

    >>> DOES THE CHURCH REALLY HAS NO SAY TO THE GOVERNMENT? <<<<<<

    READING THE BIBLE

    AGAIN & AGAIN

    PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH

    REPEATEDLY WARNED KINGS

    FROM DAVID

    TO SOLOMON

    TO OTHER SUCCEEDING KINGS

    AND THOSE WHO DID NOT FOLLOWED

    THEY WERE BOUND FOR DESTRUCTION

    UNFORTUNATELY

    INCLUDING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY

    .
    .

    IS IT A MYTH?

    ATHEISTS WILL SAY YES

    BUT HISTORY PROVED THEM WRONG
    .
    .
    PEOPLE SHOULD PRAY FIRST & OPENED THEIR MIND

    TO SEE THE REAL EVIL
    .
    .
    AGAIN

    EVEN IN HEAVEN

    A LOT OF ANGELS

    HAD A REBELLION AGAINST GOD

    AND THEIR LEADER

    IS LUCIFER

    THE ANGEL OF LIGHT

    NAPAKAGANDANG PAKINGGAN ANO?

    JUST LIKE THE RH BILL

    PITIFUL

    • Jane Tan

      If that’s your argument… what about other countries that already have an RH Bill, why were they not destroyed?

      • txtman

        LETS TAKE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

        CRIME IS EVERY WHERE- THERE ARE MORE VIOLENT
               CRIMES IN ONE US CITY COMPARED TO THE ENTIRE
               PHILIPPINES.
               MAGNANAKAW, ANG DAMI-DAMI NIYAN- ASK YOUR RELATIVES

        TEENAGE PREGNANCIES ARE EVERYWHERE

        SINGLE MOTHERHOOD IS NOW BECOMING THE NORM

        ABORTION IS INCREASING

        POVERTY IS EVERYWHERE

        OH, NAWALA BA ANG POVERTY?

        GUMANDA BA BUHAY NG MGA MAMAMAYAN

        DAHIL SA CONDOMS, PILLS & ABORTIONS?

        HINDI

        NABAWASAN BA ANG KAHIRAPAN?

        HINDI
        .
        .
        .
        ANO BA SINABI KO?

        BASED SA BIBLE

        YAN ANG NANGYARI
        .
        .

        AND WHAT DID I SAID AGAIN?
        .

        ATHEISTS WILL SAY

        IT IS NOT TRUE
        .
        .

        AND YOU SAID THAT

        IT IS NOT TRUE
        .
        .

        DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?

        PITIFUL

      • Jane Tan

        Whoah… I thought you were talking about the Philippines without the RH Bill. Sounds exactly what’s happening here. Does that mean we’ve already done something wrong many many years ago that we’re suffering this plight up until now?

      • txtman

        ANO SA TINGIN MO?

        AND

        YES

        I AM TALKING ABOUT THE HIDDEN EVIL OF THE
        RH BILL

        PITIFUL

      • Jane Tan

        Yeah. Should’ve passed the RH Bill 14 years ago to avoid the destruction that’s been happening for all these years >.< thanks for opening my eyes.

      • txtman

        THEN PASSED IT

        IM SURE MATUTUWA MGA

        DALAGA AT MGA APO MO YAN

        JUST REMEMBER

        DON’T COMPLAIN LATER ON

        GINUSTO NINYO YAN

        THEN MAGDUSA KAYO

        PITIFUL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        SA NEW ZEALAND MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA SAWA SA STEAK SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG HUBO SA BAKA KAYA MARAMING ISNATCHER DESPERADO’

      • txtman

        BY THE WAY

        DO YOU KNOW

        WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

        WERE SAYING?

        THE BLESSINGS OF THE UNITED STATES

        ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY

        BECAUSE

        PEOPLE

        ARE BEING SWAYED

        TO GO

        AWAY FROM GOD

        LOOK OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE US RIGHT NOW
        .
        .
        THOSE WORDS ARE NOT MINE

        SABI YAN NG MGA PUTI

        PITIFUL

      • rinom

        huwag kang mainip,,, a 1000 years on earth is like a day in the Lord or vice versa,,, or a thousand years on earth to the Lord is like a watch in the night when it passed or vice versa. basa ka ng history halos lahat ng kaharian sa mundo bumagsak dahil sa immorality.

      • Jane Tan

        Well, its a good thing my stand is based on both logic and morality. For me, morality is preventing irresponsible people from having children that are likely to end-up growing without parents and on the streets.

        For me, being immoral is forcing a woman to give birth to a child that she either doesn’t want or cannot support, or both. Thereby causing both the mother and the child to suffer. Maybe that’s why I believe the current situation of our country has been failing.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

         jane, it seems you have an erroneous understanding of morality.

      • Jane Tan

        Jon, here are a few test questions:
        1) Are you going to FORCE a couple to forego the use of contraceptives?
        2) If a woman is pregnant and thinking of abortion, are you going to FORCE her to have that baby?
        3) If a woman decides to have that baby but can’t support it, what will you do?

        Since you have such a firm stand against the RH Bill, let’s put your “morality” where your mouth is.

      • xrisp

        Your definition of morality is out of the spiritual realm. Wake up Jane, don’t rely too much on your logic. You will pay for that in the end.

      • Jane Tan

        Your statement alone suggests that you don’t even know the definition of morality.

        And FYI, I am not the one talking about angels and heaven for my morality to be “out of the spiritual realm”.

      • xrisp

        My morality is based on what God wants. Simp[le isn’t it? Not on what one thinks is correct for him. Got it?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    When the RH Bill was approved in ITALY.  The pope was QUIET.

    Why are these lowly bishops so Noisy?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

      hein, the bishops are noisy because the rh bill is not approved yet. If you are with Christ do your share in  opposing the rh bill.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        Why does the pope respect the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, and the lowly bishops cannot?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    To those who are against the Catholic Church:

    Catholic faith is based on the teachings of the baby in the manger named Jesus, the Reason for the Christmas Season.

    That baby in the manger grew to preach of goodness and truth; of humility and service; of complete surrender to the Father in heaven; of love for the little ones; and of salvation through fidelity and steadfast faith.

    Jesus’ teachings are now under attack by the legions under the direction of Satan. Who shall stand up for Jesus if not those who love him?

    Catholics celebrate this third Sunday of Advent as Gaudete Sunday or the week of rejoicing and gladness over the coming of the Lord to redeem mankind from the Evil One. This week shall be the third reading of HB4244, the bill pretending to care for pregnant mothers but gives more emphasis to “safe and satisfying sex life”; masquerading as a “responsible parenthood” bill but widens the scope of birth control to non-parents from the youth to unmarried adults; and all sorts of motherhood statements.

    This week the Catholic Church is praying with fervent hope that the RH bill will not pass the third reading. No matter how malicious the assaults are on bishops and priests and even the pope, the hand of God shall prevail over his enemies.

    • Jane Tan

      1) Most of us are not against the Catholic Church – we are simply appalled by its actions
      2) Most of us are Catholics and share the same stand against divorce, abortion and pre-marital / extra-marital relations, and responsible parenthood – we are simply taking the lesser evil because the Church is only able to advocate the passage of Genesis, and not the Bible in its entirety.
      3) Some of us were against the RH Bill years back and are now reflecting on the years that had passed where the situation of our country has only gotten worse.
      4) Most of us are still open to other “options” but, until such an option arises, we will not sit idly by for another 2 decades and watch our country fall further down.

      • rinom

        righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people,,,

      • Jane Tan

        Point?

      • catmanjohn

        Define ‘SIN’… is it sinful to use condoms to prevent an unwanted child from being born, which would then require the real “SIN” of abortion from being necessary, because the parents can not afford their 7th child?…, OR is ‘SIN’ the hypocrisy of placing the unrealistic standards on fellow men and women, with expectations akin to before the Fall of MAN from the kingdom of heaven, and lay guilt upon our fellow man for choosing reason and self determination to find our way back to that kingdom?

      • Jane Tan

        Condoms don’t even “prevent an unwanted child from being born” they PREVENT CONCEPTION, which is not against any of our laws, including the constitution. You can buy condoms from Watson’s if you wanted to.

    • alienpatriot

      “Catholic faith is based on the teachings of the baby in the manger named Jesus” It is based on the words of a baby? No, you twit, it is based on the ideas that you mention later.
      Yoiu mention humility. How humble is it to claim that God’s will is to do whatever you (the CBCP) wants regardless of whether it is in the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that opposes the RH bill. What it does oppose is church attempts to prevent the proper education of its parishioners.
      If the CBCP acts arrogantly it is not acting as a representative of Christ.
      Most Catholics know how Christ opposed the Pharisees of his time. He would do the same with the Pharisees of 2012. Oppose the CBCP. They do not take the side of Christ on this issue.

  • etomacq

    RH Bill is not the solution to poverty. Bad leadership is the main reason why our country is poor. Corruption and too much Politics are the roots of our country’s downfall.

    • windhawl

      true, but also don’t forget that irresponsible parents will cause poverty… to them, to their family, and eventually to the government.

      • rinom

        ano po?,,, iyong paglusaw ng bata sa sinapupunan tawag mo na ngayon responsible parents pala?

      • windhawl

        induced abortion is absurd, as well as those who are just making babies and escape the responsibility, and the worst is those who make many babies and blaming their government for not providing free health care, free education, and free from taxes.

    • rinom

      tama,,, RH bill can not solve the problem of poverty.

  • rinom

    ang Diyos na gumawa ng langit at lupa ay sinabi ng dalawang beses,,, go, and occupy the earth,,, isa ay kay adam,, at isa kay noah at sa mga anak niya. kung hindi po mahalaga iyan bakit sasabihin ng dalawang beses? ngayon ang diyablo naman iba ang sinasabi,,, huwag kayong manganak ng marami o lusawin ninyo mga anak ninyo sa sinapupunan pa lamang upang gumanda ang buhay ninyo.

    • Jane Tan

      Wag mo gamitin ang salita ng Diyos kung hinde mo kaya sunurin ang buong Bible. Hinde sinusunod ang Bible ng isa-isang verse lang tapos yung iba pinapabayaan.

      Magbasa ka muna - Ephesians 4:15, Colossians 1:28

      Yan ang gusto ko mangyari. Yan ang hinde ginagawa ng tao sa bansa natin. Kaya ko gusto ipasa ang RH Bill.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5LTX3ZBWS4A3SIR6B6WF3STVE jon

         Jane, ang rh bill na yan ay inspired by the evil one. Do you want evil to triumph?

      • Jane Tan

        Not a valid argument, Jon. The mere fact that there is equally high backing for the RH Bill suggests that people do not think it is evil. In the same way that, even though we are on opposite sides, I do not consider your side as “inspired by the evil one”.

        People who quote one passage of the Bible and only follow that one passage while disregarding others are masking their evil behind the Words of God. Feel free to quote Genesis, but know that I have read the Bible and promoting that one single passage while disregarding the entirety of the Bible’s teaching will open you up to criticism.

  • xrisp

    Eh bakit ikaw tagasunod ka rin ng sekta mo ah. San ba nanggaling ang sekta mo at masyado mong sinusunod yung self-proclaimed teacher nyo. Ganun ako sa pagsunod ko sa mga authorities ng Church namin.

  • xrisp

    Tama ka maraming Katoliko ang gumagawa ng sinasabi mo.  Sa tingin mo ba kahit sa sekta nyo lahat ay mabait o siento porsiento sumusunod o iniintindi ang faith nila. Totoong maraming Katoliko ang di nagaaral ng kanilang pananampalataya kaya marami silang di nauunawaan. Problema nila yun sa sarili nila pero hindi ibig sabihin na mali ang Simbahan. Ang Simbahan ay di magbabago at mananatiling tapat sa kanyang tungkulin sa pagpapalaganap ng pananampalataya. Ang tao lang ang nagbabago. 

  • Albert Einstien

    yun massacre ni ADAM LANZA is no different from RH bill massacre of the young….they say LANZA is suffering from AUTISM….ito na kayang NEWS na ito ang DIVINE GUIDANCE na hinihintay ng CBCP…kung 20 children ang namatay sa massacre KINOKONDENA natin ….lalo na siguro KONDENAHIN natin ang milyon milyon ang papatayin kabataan ng RH bill na yan…mga POLITIKO natin me mga balitang me bipolarism at schizoprhenia…kaya din siguro AYAW ipasa yung FOI BILL…makukuha ng tao yung medical bulletin nila…so sad!

    • Jane Tan

      schizophrenia eh…

      you mean the people ASSUMING that the funds will end up in the hands of the corrupt? the people ASSUMING that this will eventually legalize abortion, divorce, etc? the people ASSUMING that a “pork barrel” was involve? the people ASSUMING that a NATURAL disaster was CREATED specifically to destroy the unfaithful? the people ASSUMING that NATURAL disaster, which has NO CONNECTION to the passing RH Bill is a punishment? the people ASSUMING that they will be absolved of all their sins and go to Heaven if they vote against the RH Bill?

      That’s alot of symptoms.

      Unlike the lot of us who don’t need to assume. We don’t need to hear imaginary voices in our heads. We see the children on the streets, the ones abandoned and have little chances of being adopted. Families that are starving and require assistance. Growing number of urban poor. I could go on. And all of these I’ve seen for myself.

      • Albert Einstien

        massacres are massacres whether in millions or 20′s..that is the point po…..wag ka po magalit panoorin mo po muna ito…” VIDEO CHALLENGE ” ni carmen pedrosa sa youtube..title ” carmen pedrosa talks about noynoy ” …allegedly umiinom /uminom ng gamot si pnoy para sa BIPOLARISM at schitzophrenia….seroquel at abilify….NBC News also reported that on Thursday, Dec. 13 Adam Lanza went to the school and had some kind of altercation with four staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary school.Ryan Lanza, 24, who lives in Hoboken, N.J., was taken into police custody for questioning yesterday. Ryan has told police that his brother Adam had a “personality disorder” and was “somewhat autistic.” Fox News reported that Adam Lanza was a “gamer” and may have played violent video games

      • Jane Tan

        I’m not talking about Lanza. I’m talking about the person who is connecting the symptoms to the wrong group. Walang galit dito. Paranoia mo yan. I place caps in the must-see areas.

      • Albert Einstien

        massacres po are PRODUCT of a SICK MIND…!

        RH bill is a massacre of the PHILLIPINE future generation….. we NEED to SAVE them from the claws of sick people….!

      • Jane Tan

        Uh huh… and allowing these children to be born in an environment that will not guarantee their survival or upbringing, causing suffering on a daily basis is any different?

        What is the difference between a) preventing the sperm from fertilizing the egg and b) abandoning a child to fend for itself?

        a) is more humane because conception has not been achieved – with b), an actual human life is thrust into despair and suffering, and has to resort to desperate means to survive each day.

        Open your eyes and see which is better.

      • Albert Einstien

        RP is targeted for DEPOPULATION & POPULATION control…!
        their MAIN REASON :targeted populated countries may easily become threats to world peace
        The list of recommendations made in the Conference of the Milbank Memorial Fund include:
        “It is important that specific and widespread propaganda be directed to developing an interest in the health and welfare of children rather than in large families for their own sake. Such education would also involve propaganda in favor of controlled fertility as an integral part of a public health program. It is important to develop a native leadership( PRO -RH politicians, academecian & media personalities ) that will acquire new values rapidly and serve as a medium for their diffusion. To this end native political leaders, civil servants, and native middle classes are needed.”"
        we are targeted for depopulation & population control….DONT KILL our UNBORN LEADERS
        RH POLITICIANS are TRAITORS, BRAINLESS, NO VISION at alll….their selfish impaired vision is how to get elected …NOT how the COUNTRY will BECOME GREAT… that is why ..we are still what we are …world slaves .. that is what they want you to believed ..to become a SLAVE forever…….our present & past generation are SLAVES but we have a GREAT CHANCE that ..succeeding generations WILL be MASTERS of the WORLD……we have so much riches…more than enough EVEN to FEED the WORLD……all we have to do is to MULTIPLY , become a strong nation with huge army & population…& preserve the resources for the near future……what we ONLY need are VISIONARY patriotic filipino blood LEADERS…!TRAITORS please read this…MOST countries are desperate to PRESERVE their GENES..you want to depopulate us.. while the WORLD is desperate for POPULATION increase…RUSSIA : declared that women choosing to have a second child would receive 250,000 rubles, nearly $11,000.CHINA : The China Development Research Foundation (CDRF) — a think tank affiliated with the Chinese government — has recommended that China gradually phase in a two-child policy over the next three years, and then cease all birth limits in the year 2020, according to a China Daily report.SINGAPORE : Desperate in trying to increase population.. Singapore’s ‘baby bonus’ packages which included financial incentives to encourage couples to have two or more children. Parents were given a tax relief for having a third child. However, by the 1990s there was only a 1.6% growth in population which was still not high enough. To try to encourage couples to have children, married couples who had children before the age of 28 were offered a 7000 pounds tax break. Several additional measures included government-sponsored matchmaking efforts through a Social Development Unit. Its aim was to ‘romance Singapore’. A month-long festival in the Valentine’s period was introduced to try to bring people together.ITALY: The Italian government offers a one-time payment of 1,000 euros (£685) to couples who have a second child.Late last year a proposal that mooted paying women not to have abortions gained popular support in Parliament. SPAIN: the government introduced a national family policy but there is still a belief that family creation is a private matter. However, Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has been urging companies to set up child care facilities and promoting long-term employment over short-term contracts.Fully funded maternity leave can last for 16 weeks, and unpaid leave of three years is available, but only about one-third of Spanish mothers take up maternity benefits. FRANCE : It has some of the most extensive state-funded child care in Europe. Mothers can take 16 weeks paid maternity leave for the first child, rising to 26 weeks for the third child. There is also a total of 26 months parental leave.Last year, the government pledged more money for families with three children in an effort to encourage working women to have more babies. Child care facilities are subsidised by the government. Younger children are entitled to full-day childcare (crèches). For children aged two to three there are pre-school programmes for which families pay on a sliding scale.POLAND: The Polish parliament has passed legislation to pay women for each new child they have, in an effort to boost the country’s falling population.Under the scheme every woman will receive a one-off payment of 1,000 zlotys (258 euros; £177) – for each child she has. Women from poorer families will receive double that amount. The population has actually decreased by close to half a million in the last six years. But some women’s groups say payments are a quick fix and will not address the long-term trendGERMANY: Germany has long had one of the lowest birth rates in the European Union and one of the highest proportions of childless women. According to EU statistics from 2005, 30% of German women have not had children. Demographers say Germany’s problem has probably been made worse because it has been ignored for so longThe government offers 14 weeks maternity leave plus parental leave of up to 36 months, with the level of pay depending on a number of factors. One of the biggest problems is a real lack of child care places. According to government figures, only one in five children under three get a place in day care. Not only do they close at lunch time, but the fees are incredibly high. Another problem for working parents is that traditionally, the school day ends at 1pm.The government has now lifted the birth rate to the top of the political agenda. In January, it adopted a bill to give tax breaks to families. It has also floated the idea of eliminating fees for kindergarten.UK : New mothers currently get six months’ paid leave and the option of six months further unpaid leave. The first six weeks are at 90% of pay and the next 20 at £102.80 per week. New fathers are allowed two weeks’ paid leave at a maximum £102.80 a week. The government offers free early education places. Children from the age of four get free part-time places at nurseries – some three year olds also get places.Parents of children under the age of six have the right to ask their employers for more flexible working hours.SWEDEN & NORWAY : Nordic governments employ a range of policies designed to help couples have more children. These governments have a long history of social policies aimed at helping people balance their work and family life. This is part of what is known as the “Nordic model”.In Sweden, each parent is entitled to 18 months leave, which is paid for by the government. Public day care is heavily subsidised and flexible work schedules are common – women with children of pre-school age are entitled to reduce their working hours. Women’s participation in the work force is high. In Norway, mothers are entitled to 12 months off work with 80% pay or 10 months with full pay. Fathers are entitled to take almost all of that leave instead of the mother. Fathers must take at least four weeks leave or else those weeks will be lost for both parents. The leave is financed through taxes, so employers don’t lose out.JAPAN:lack-babies-could-mean-extinction of -japanese -people “Japan will be more likely to prioritize healthcare than international security,” Brad Glosserman and Tomoko Tsunada wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine. “Older societies are typically more risk-averse, and Japanese — ‘reluctant realists’ at the best of times — will be increasingly unwilling to put their most precious resource, their young, in harm’s way,” ( thanks to various contributors figures lifted & culled from different sources )

      • Jane Tan

        Wrong countries for comparison.

        NOTE how he AVOIDS ANSWERING THE QUESTION because he knows I have the right answer.

        Best course of action for him to cowardly change the topic and “sotto” something.

        Common among anti-RH who just copy paste irrelevant facts that have no connection to our current situation – showing their ignorance and lack of understanding of the Bill.

      • Albert Einstien

        i’m educating you maybe you dont even noticed! what a pity…lol…. : > )

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN EXTREMIST TERRORIST”’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SA NEW ZEALAND MAS MARAMI ANG BAKA SA TAO KAYA SAWA SA STEAK SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMING BATANG HUBO SA BAKA KAYA MARAMING ISNATCHER DESPERADO’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MAKINIG KASI KAYO SA PARI PAG LALABASAN NA KAYO IPUTOK NINYO SA LOOB WAG DAW NINYO TATAKPAN NG GOMA MASAMA SA KAUTUSAN NG SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO”’ DAG DAGAN PADAW NINYO ANG MGA BLESING SA KARSADA NAKAHUBO PA” PABILHAN NG DAMIT KAY CARNIVAL TAGLE”’ AT SA MGA DAMASONG PARI”’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    I hope you are not blind on this!!!
    The Birth Control Pill is the most popular and widely usedmethod of hormonal contraception. It involves taking a month-long series ofpills—three weeks of pills containing hormones, and one without. This allowsthe woman to have a menstrual period. The Pill contains two synthetic hormones,progestin and ethinyl estradiol and has three mechanisms: 
    1) it preventsovulation, 2) thickens the cervical mucus, which makes it harder for sperm toenter the uterus and 3) affects the endometrium or lining of the womb to makeit more hostile to implantation. This means the tiny developing baby (embryo)cannot attach to the uterine lining and dies, which is a very early abortion. 

    • Jane Tan

      Let me clarify – everything you mentioned here that the pill does, is before conception, am I right?

      Keep in mind our definition of conception – the moment the egg is fertilized by the sperm.

      Thank you for telling everyone here that you don’t even know what’s in our Constitution and are already accusing people of violating it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

        rhb kills

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS SILENT KILL JOY EXTREMIST TERRORIST!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      SABIHIN MO KAY SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE WAG IINUM NG GAMOT MAY SIDE EFFECTS” BAKIT SANTO PAPA KUPAL NINYO NAG PAPAGAMOT SA DOKTOR AT NAG TAKE NG GAMOT MAY SIDE EFECTS YUN AHHH PERO NAMATAY PARIN”

  • disqusted0fu

    Aquino certifying this bill as urgent is the nail to the coffin. its going to be hard for the church to block the passing of this bill now since it looks like the president is not just asking for the solons to vote, but he is in a subtle way demanding them to vote yes. and for better measures, he sends Roxas and his cronies to congress just to make sure that they seal the deal. its going to take a miracle to kill this bill now.

  • Albert Einstien

    RP s targeted for DEPOPULATION & POPULATION control…!

    their MAIN REASON :targeted populated countries may easily become threats to world peace

    The list of recommendations made in the Conference of the Milbank Memorial Fund include:
    “It is important that specific and widespread propaganda be directed to developing an interest in the health and welfare of children rather than in large families for their own sake. Such education would also involve propaganda in favor of controlled fertility as an integral part of a public health program. It is important to develop a native leadership( PRO -RH politicians, academecian & media personalities ) that will acquire new values rapidly and serve as a medium for their diffusion. To this end native political leaders, civil servants, and native middle classes are needed.”"

    we are targeted for depopulation & population control….DONT KILL our UNBORN LEADERS
    RH POLITICIANS are TRAITORS, BRAINLESS, NO VISION at alll….their selfish impaired vision is how to get elected …NOT how the COUNTRY will BECOME GREAT… that is why ..we are still what we are …world slaves .. that is what they want you to believed ..to become a SLAVE forever…….our present & past generation are SLAVES but we have a GREAT CHANCE that ..succeeding generations WILL be MASTERS of the WORLD……we have so much riches…more than enough EVEN to FEED the WORLD……all we have to do is to MULTIPLY , become a strong nation with huge army & population…& preserve the resources for the near future…..

    .what we ONLY need are VISIONARY patriotic filipino blood LEADERS…!

    TRAITORS please read this…MOST countries are desperate to PRESERVE their GENES..you want to depopulate us.. while the WORLD is desperate for POPULATION increase…RUSSIA : declared that women choosing to have a second child would receive 250,000 rubles, nearly $11,000.CHINA : The China Development Research Foundation (CDRF) — a think tank affiliated with the Chinese government — has recommended that China gradually phase in a two-child policy over the next three years, and then cease all birth limits in the year 2020, according to a China Daily report.SINGAPORE : Desperate in trying to increase population.. Singapore’s ‘baby bonus’ packages which included financial incentives to encourage couples to have two or more children. Parents were given a tax relief for having a third child. However, by the 1990s there was only a 1.6% growth in population which was still not high enough. To try to encourage couples to have children, married couples who had children before the age of 28 were offered a 7000 pounds tax break. Several additional measures included government-sponsored matchmaking efforts through a Social Development Unit. Its aim was to ‘romance Singapore’. A month-long festival in the Valentine’s period was introduced to try to bring people together.ITALY: The Italian government offers a one-time payment of 1,000 euros (£685) to couples who have a second child.Late last year a proposal that mooted paying women not to have abortions gained popular support in Parliament. SPAIN: the government introduced a national family policy but there is still a belief that family creation is a private matter. However, Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has been urging companies to set up child care facilities and promoting long-term employment over short-term contracts.Fully funded maternity leave can last for 16 weeks, and unpaid leave of three years is available, but only about one-third of Spanish mothers take up maternity benefits. FRANCE : It has some of the most extensive state-funded child care in Europe. Mothers can take 16 weeks paid maternity leave for the first child, rising to 26 weeks for the third child. There is also a total of 26 months parental leave.Last year, the government pledged more money for families with three children in an effort to encourage working women to have more babies. Child care facilities are subsidised by the government. Younger children are entitled to full-day childcare (crèches). For children aged two to three there are pre-school programmes for which families pay on a sliding scale.POLAND: The Polish parliament has passed legislation to pay women for each new child they have, in an effort to boost the country’s falling population.Under the scheme every woman will receive a one-off payment of 1,000 zlotys (258 euros; £177) – for each child she has. Women from poorer families will receive double that amount. The population has actually decreased by close to half a million in the last six years. But some women’s groups say payments are a quick fix and will not address the long-term trendGERMANY: Germany has long had one of the lowest birth rates in the European Union and one of the highest proportions of childless women. According to EU statistics from 2005, 30% of German women have not had children. Demographers say Germany’s problem has probably been made worse because it has been ignored for so longThe government offers 14 weeks maternity leave plus parental leave of up to 36 months, with the level of pay depending on a number of factors. One of the biggest problems is a real lack of child care places. According to government figures, only one in five children under three get a place in day care. Not only do they close at lunch time, but the fees are incredibly high. Another problem for working parents is that traditionally, the school day ends at 1pm.The government has now lifted the birth rate to the top of the political agenda. In January, it adopted a bill to give tax breaks to families. It has also floated the idea of eliminating fees for kindergarten.UK : New mothers currently get six months’ paid leave and the option of six months further unpaid leave. The first six weeks are at 90% of pay and the next 20 at £102.80 per week. New fathers are allowed two weeks’ paid leave at a maximum £102.80 a week. The government offers free early education places. Children from the age of four get free part-time places at nurseries – some three year olds also get places.Parents of children under the age of six have the right to ask their employers for more flexible working hours.SWEDEN & NORWAY : Nordic governments employ a range of policies designed to help couples have more children. These governments have a long history of social policies aimed at helping people balance their work and family life. This is part of what is known as the “Nordic model”.In Sweden, each parent is entitled to 18 months leave, which is paid for by the government. Public day care is heavily subsidised and flexible work schedules are common – women with children of pre-school age are entitled to reduce their working hours. Women’s participation in the work force is high. In Norway, mothers are entitled to 12 months off work with 80% pay or 10 months with full pay. Fathers are entitled to take almost all of that leave instead of the mother. Fathers must take at least four weeks leave or else those weeks will be lost for both parents. The leave is financed through taxes, so employers don’t lose out.JAPAN:lack-babies-could-mean-extinction of -japanese -people “Japan will be more likely to prioritize healthcare than international security,” Brad Glosserman and Tomoko Tsunada wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine. “Older societies are typically more risk-averse, and Japanese — ‘reluctant realists’ at the best of times — will be increasingly unwilling to put their most precious resource, their young, in harm’s way,” ( thanks to various contributors figures lifted & culled from different sources )

  • wawangpenoy

     CBCP IS ON A PANIC MODE AND REALLY SCARED TO DEATH THAT THE PEOPLE HAS FINALLY AWAKEN.  THE PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER BUYING THE CHURCH’S LIES AND DISINFORMATION.  CBCP COULD NOT FACE THE TRUTH THAT THEY ARE NOW RELEGATED TO IRRELEVANCE AND IS TOTALLY DEVOID OF CLOUT.

    ITUWID NYO NA KASI ANG PAMAMARAAN NINYO. HINDI NA PWEDE ANG MEDIEVAL TIMES METHODS NG PANANAKOT. JUST LIMIT YOURSELF TO TEACHING YOUR FLOCKS SPIRITUALITY AND MAKE YOUR SERMONS APPLICABLE TO EVERYDAY LIFE. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, CATHOLICS WILL START GOING TO MASS PURELY BECAUSE OF FAITH AND NOT OF GUILT OR FEAR. CATHOLICS CAN AGAIN BE PROUD OF BEING ONE. I MYSELF WILL PROBABLY RE-EXAMINE MY BELIEF AND MIGHT, JUST MIGHT, FIND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WORTHWHILE IN CATHOLICISM.

    OH, BTW. AYUSIN NINYO ANG ACOUSTIC NYO SA MGA SIMBAHAN. MY 2 CENTS WORTH, TANGGALIN NA NINYO ANG BASS NG SOUND SYSTEM NYO. LEAVE IT ON TREBLE ALONE. LET THE CONCRETE WALLS OF THE CHURCH SERVE AS THE BASS. BETTER STILL, TRY TO SIT ON THE PEWS AND HAVE SOMEBODY SPEAK THRU THE MIC IN THE PULPIT AND HEAR FOR YOURSELF WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. AND DO THIS IN EVERY CORNER OF THE CHURCH. DAKDAK KASI KAYO NG DAKDAK, DI NYO MAN LANG SIGURO TINETESTING KUNG ANONG KLASENG SOUND ANG NARIRINIG NG MGA PARISHIONERS AND MOSTLY IF NOT ALL CHURCHES, SERMONS ARE JUST NOT CLEARLY DISCERNIBLE BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH ECHO (BASS).

  • xrisp

    If Im self righteous as you judge me, I should have not advised you to go to a priest.

  • etomacq

    Mababasa mo dito kung anong klaseng pag uugali ng mga Pro-RH Bill.. Most of them mga bastos. Hindi sila makacomment ng maayos sa issue.. Sabagay sariling opinyon nila yan. It only shows kung anong klaseng mga tao ang sumusoporta sa RH Bill. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SATANAS CARNIVAL TAGLE DAMASO!! LITO ATIENZA ABORZIONIST BISHOPS SILENT KILL JOY!! EXTREMIST TERRORIST!!



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