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Anti-RH lawmakers accuse 4 Palace officials of lobbying during voting

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Speaking on condition of anonymity, an administration congressman said Roxas particularly “looked a little concerned” when anti-RH votes were making a late surge toward the end of the five-hour nominal voting. PDI FILE PHOTO

MANILA, Philippines—What clinched the vote for the reproductive health bill at the House of Representatives?

Four key emissaries of President Aquino were conspicuously present at the South Lounge of the Batasan building and stayed on until every vote was cast—and counted—in favor of passing House Bill No. 4244 on second reading, the Inquirer has learned.

Led by Interior Secretary Mar Roxas, the group included Budget Secretary Florencio “Butch” Abad, Presidential Spokesman Edwin Lacierda and Secretary Ricky Carandang, according to a number of House members who spoke with the Inquirer.

“They were lobbying for a yes vote,” Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez protested in an interview moments after the result was announced at around 2 a.m. on Thursday.

“The administration’s people were here and so it really tilted the balance (in favor of the RH bill)—Abad, Mar Roxas, Lacierda and Ricky Carandang. What happened to the independence of the legislators? The Executive should not meddle with the legislature.”

Speaking on condition of anonymity, another administration congressman said Roxas particularly “looked a little concerned” when anti-RH votes were making a late surge toward the end of the five-hour nominal voting.

“Towards the end of the vote when it was close, I personally heard Mar say, ‘Sino pa bang pwedeng pauwiin dyan?’” the senior House member told the Inquirer. “Mar looked a little concerned, moving from his table to the table occupied by his staff where they had a tally.”

The RH bill moved past the second reading, with 113 House members voting in favor of passing the measure and another 104 voting against it.

Three congressmen abstained while 62 were absent during marathon proceedings watched closely by a massive contingent of pro-life groups and RH bill supporters occupying opposite galleries in the plenary hall.

Catholic bishops remained in their seats in the gallery until Deputy Speaker Erin Tañada read the final voting result.

But it was the presence of Roxas and company that made the difference, according to Rodriguez.

“This just showed that the administration was not really asking for a ‘conscience vote’ because they were directing those who could be influenced to vote for the bill,” he said. “This is a Pyrrhic victory.”

Cebu Rep. Pablo John Garcia, who voted against the bill, tweeted shortly after midnight Thursday: “So many Cabinet members at Congress’ South Lounge tonight I thought it was budget deliberations.”

Antipolo Bishop Gabriel Reyes, who watched the entire proceedings, lamented the supposed pressure coming from Malacañang.

“In this fight against this bill, the dice is loaded against those who are against the bill because Malacañang is pressuring them,” he told the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

“I think this is a sad day for the country. I hope those who voted in favor of the bill will live to see the day when they will see the harm that this bill will cause to the country.”

Reyes added: “The truth is not always with the majority. The truth is not determined by pork barrel, by promises of public works and other government projects. It’s not determined by political convenience.”

Majority Leader Neptali Gonzales II said he was not sure how he and other pro-RH bill congressmen were able to muster enough votes.

“I cannot really answer what clinched it for them,” he told reporters. “For us in the Liberal (Party), I cannot say if it was because of the meeting called yesterday because there were also many members who voted against the bill.”

But it was the vote that Parañaque Rep. Roilo Golez never cast that drew suspicion among pro-life groups.

A senior LP leader and known opponent of the RH bill, Golez was present on the floor and even introduced amendments before HB 4244 was put to a voice vote at 8:15 p.m. But he was registered as “absent” during voting.

“He was a disappointment last night after evading a principled stand against the RH bill. He became a standard bearer of political expediency and political cowardice. Shame on them,” said John Carlo de los Reyes, president of Ang Kapatiran, a lay Catholic political party.

Golez claimed he opted to “walk out” because of the “party order to vote for RH.”

“I defied the party order by walking out. I would rather die than to vote for RH,” he told the Inquirer.


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  • Roehlano Briones

    It is kind of hypocritical for the bishops to complain about “pressure”.

  • Babiker_Ahmed

    Aren’t the bishop doing the same? lobbying…..

    • indiosbravos2002

      Yes, literally (because they were heckling the congressmen from the visitor’s gallery) and figuratively speaking ( because they have been known to pressure some lawmakers for a no vote)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

      …worse than lobbying

    • UrHONOR

      NO, the beanie-capped were not lobbying….THEY WERE THREATENING (as if they have what it is to threaten, e, may toothless na naghahari-harian sa mundo nilang pabula)

      • kalikasanipagtanggol

         Watch this UrHONOR guy folks, he is a big catholic hater and it doesn’t matter what good deeds you do, you’re still his enemy no.1

  • indiosbravos2002

    Wow, sour graping. The 4 officials just levelled the playing field after the Bishops invaded congress

    • billy gunner

      dios ko naman iho, the bishops were there coz they were against RH–and that’s their jobs as members of the clergy being prolife. on the other hand, the cabinet officials were there not to level the playing field but to make sure their partymates follow what PNoy wants, otherwise they might as well say good bye to their pork. now the question is, is it really the job of cabinet officials to be in the deliberations?

      • indiosbravos2002

        You said they were part of the deliberations? Are you crazy?

        No. The job of the Bishops should be to clean up their ranks. Ipagbabawal ang condom pero si father na mahilig sa tsiks, nagcocondom naman. Bawal rape pero si father tumitira ng pwersahan ng mga bata? What gives? They might be prolife but who said about taking another person’s life? Who brought n abortin to the topic? Nalabuan na naman na naman mga obispo. Sometimes you wouldnt know where they are comng from at kung parehong versin ng RH bill ang binabasa nila.

      • billy gunner

        “You said they were part of the deliberations?”

        did i say they were part of the deliberation? read again.

        “Ipagbabawal ang condom pero si father na mahilig sa tsiks, nagcocondom
        naman. Bawal rape pero si father tumitira ng pwersahan ng mga bata?”

        mere conjectures. your case won’t even pass in the preliminaries. LOL

  • arthur1410

    Bakit, wala ba ang mga bishops diyan sa Congress? Mas marami pa nga sila. 

    Ogag tong rodriguez na ito. Priority bill ni pnoy ang RH kaya kailangan suportahan ng cabinet niya,

    ang mga bishops ba may pakialam sa affairs ng government? Kailangan ba ang mga bishop pumasok sa congress? di ba dapat sa simbahan sila?

    Baliktad talaga ang mga utak ng mga anti-RH. Hoy rodriguez, mag-isip ka nga.

    • billy gunner

      so why were cabinet officials in congress then?

  • lt53

    nakalungkot pa ang split decision sana sa third reading mas dumami pa ang pro

    • blowcoldblowhot

      Don’t count on it. As Rep. Rufus Rodriguez said; Towards the end of the vote when it was close, I personally heard Mar say, ‘Sino pa bang pwedeng pauwiin dyan?’” the senior House member told the Inquirer. “Mar looked a little concerned, moving from his table to the table occupied by his staff where they had a tally.” This means, kung hindi pinauwi ni Mar Roxas yon mga 63 na House members, the NO votes dapat ang nanalo.

      • motorcyclemama

         Sus, concerned lang si Mar dahil madaling araw na. Kung sino pwede umuwi, pauwiin na. Ang lawak ng imagination mo pre.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    The same way Malacanang will be accusing the bishops for lobbying too. 

  • willbillywilly

    Sore losers!!!  What can the presidents men do if, as you
    claim,  God is on your side after storming the heavens with your prayers &
    masses before the voting took place

    • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

      well, let’s see later on…truth will always prevail…

      • UrHONOR

        LATER means NOTHING…what is IMPORTANT is NOW.  You do not know if that later will still come to you.  The  HERE and NOW is what’s significant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

    WTF Golez, “rather die than vote for RH” so vote against it instead of being a hypocrite – fighting for a cause and abandoning it shows lack of conviction.

    And WTF Rodriguez, just accept it. The bishops were there doing the same thing. Otherwise, we can just say that the admin people were there to support pro-RH senators.

    • bechay64

      Ang bishop hindi taga Executive Branch, kuha mo? Basahin mo muna ang constitution okay?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • $37644997

    Why do catholic priests wear their gowns?to attract attention that they are different people from us.

    • http://twitter.com/pontived ryan joseph ubas

      that question is so silly, they are priest what do you expect?

      • $37644997

        There are a lot of priest/pastors who don’t wear night gowns.

    • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

      little learning is indeed very dangerous…tsk tsk tsk….

      • $37644997

        No matter how little but  overwhelming know how.Men robed in white talks much about God but they don’t have the light in them.

      • UrHONOR

        KAYA make your LEARNING BIG.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN AND CARNIVAL TAGLE EXTREMIST TERRORIST”’

    • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

      tsk tsk tsk…ignoramus!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZMGUXK4SNJ7FE5SYNNONX3V36M cue

    ..next election, i will never vote whoever the palace or the liberal party endorses.. the malacanang people should stay away form the legislative body because they have separate functions being the executive…they don’t know their boundaries.  malacanang is pressured by the international countries to do so because of the exchange of help we got from them.

    • dickenhead

      bitter to the end. sleep it off you will awake much better

  • UrHONOR

    HAHAHHAHAHA…HINDI na na-ubusan ng REKLAMO ang nga TNL na naka-beanie red cap….parang mga clowns sa circus.  (Alam kaya ng mga TNL na yan na pinagtatawanan sila sa suot nilang yan…bestida at putong sombrero?).

    MAGPAPAKAWALA ng pangungusap na “god’s power is with us”, tapos nagkakandagapang sa paghahanap ng sosoporta sa kanilang kaechosan.  Nang nalupig, “god has other plans”….tapos ke lalakas ng mga bunganga ng mga reklamador kesyo lobbying, kesyo may iba pang voting, kesyo hindi dumating yong iba nilang ka-bestida, at kung ano-ano pang EXCUSES, samantalang ang kakampi nila ay diyos na nila!  Ano yan?  Anong klaseng diyos yang pinaggagamit ninyo…yan ba yong ikinulong ninyo sa tabernakulo, tapos iniiwanan ninyong nag-iisa na ang bantay ay isang kanila lamang?  SUSMARYOSEP!

    SO, ano ang kinalabasan ng ALL-OUT WAR, BATTLE, NOVENA, RALLY, PRAY OVER, ROSARY kay Mommy Sta Mariang Ina ng awa at laging saklolong kapuripurihang babae sa lahat ng lupa at daigdig na birhen at reyna ng mga anghel at gabay ng mga santo’s santa… atmpb na mga seremonyas?  Na-busted pa?  Pahiya ba?  Change your ways and people MIGHT…MIGHT reconsider your advocacies.  Till then, it’s going to be a hard climb and an easy slide.

    • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

      grabe na talaga ang demonyo ngayon?…kailangan mo na ata i exorcise…

      • UrHONOR

        ABA, huwag ako ang tanungin mo….yong mga naka-sayang  puti ang nakaka-alam nyan.  ISTUPIDONG ideya yang demo-demonyo na yan sa akin. Fairy tale. OO, nga, kailangan ko ng mag-exercise….matagal-tagal na din naman akong hindi nakakatakbo!  Salamat sa pa-ala-ala. Ikaw, anong kailangan mo, nobena at misa sa mga damasing?

  • blainz

    “This just showed that the administration was not really asking for a ‘conscience vote’ because they were directing those who could be influenced to vote for the bill.” -RR

    The bishops were there to influence the vote too, so I guess they weren’t asking for a vote of conscience either. Roofie forgot his argument works both ways.

    Those 62 absentees were playing it safe, if they were present knowing the majority went to the pro-RH, they’d side with the pro-RH. Now that Congress has shown it can break from the church’s influence, expect more of them to be emboldened enough to whisk aside Damaso’s meddling.

    The vote was a triumph of reason over religion. While a lot of people are claiming this makes for a merrier Christmas, which it does, let’s remember the man that laid his life for the good fight come Rizal day (Dec. 30).

    • VicenteBoticol

      GOODBYE PADRE DAMASO !

      • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

        goodbye…magkikita na lang tayo sa impyerno vicente…see yah there…

  • UrHONOR

    >>>“I think this is a sad day for the country. I hope those who voted in favor of the bill will live to see the day when they will see the harm that this bill will cause to the country.”<<<
    I hope you'd still be in your white gown to see the GOOD this bill will bring to the citizenry.  Further, I hope you don't lose your dogged faith when your god abandoned you again and again and again and again.

    • VicenteBoticol

      It only shows that most catholics cannot be fooled anymore by Hypocritical Catholic Bishops and Priests who are more immoral than ordinary laymen…….Roaming around in SUVs with big belly and living in luxurious mansions while the poor people live in esteros and under the bridge stinking with garbage. 

      • UrHONOR

        That’s a common sight that can be readily noticed in the entire MManila and other Greater areas of big cities.  NAAAPAKALAKI ng pagtitiwala nila sa simbahang itinaguyod nila, tapos nang mangangailangan na sila ng tulong sa simbahan, naka-padlock ang mga simbahan at ang mga mansions ng mga paders ay gwardiyado… at hindi kung sino-sino lang ang nakakapasok sa mansions nila.  Bueno, kung naka-Pajero o Chedeng ka, sasaluduhan ka pa ng gwardiya at tuloy-tuloy ka na lang sa kwarto ng mga paders.  First-hand info yan, not a hearsay.  Kaya yong mga pobreng napaniwala ng mga damasing na nakapag-abuloy din naman ng kahit na papaano sa collection basket ng TNL na anong yan, lumulipat sa ibang samahan kung saan sila makakakuha ng tulong pang physical…. at kadalasan nakukuha nila yon sa INK, Dating Daan, LDS, at iba pa.  Samantala, anong sinasabi ng mga nagbobondatang mga pader? “Hamo na lang sila, marami pa yan dyan sa tabi-tabi”.

      • http://twitter.com/pontived ryan joseph ubas

        so why don’t you help feed them instead of blaming the church.

      • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

        tama ka diyan ryan…ang simbahan nga halos ang tumutulong sa mga mahihirap…missionaries of charity, caritasat iba’t iba pa…hay naku…bayaan na natin si vicente na iyan…AS IF? super wagas mag comment sa simbahan…parang lahat ng pari si padre damaso…

      • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

        look at you…are you concerned with the poor people…common look at your lifestyle? mata pobre ka nga eh…kilalang kilala ka sa lugar niyo na ganyan ka…di bale magtatawag ako ng mga maralita sa lungsond ng maynila at papuntahin ko sa bahay mo…sana marami kang ibibigay, pagkain at iba iba pa….katulad ng mga pari sa quiapo church na nagbibigay ng pagkain araw araw sa mga mahihirap at walang makain….look who’s talking…as if naman ang linis linis at makatao at maka mahirap…..palakpakan natin si vicente boticol…the greatest philantropist of our country….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        immoral than ordinary layman? spoken like a true born against….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRDGZHO73F5SCBMJO3BGCPXR6E Nilo C

    Hindi ba nadala sa Panalangin ang NO Votes??? Hindi maka-move forward ang Pinas pag ganito ganitong ang sistema.

  • dickenhead

    tit for tat lang yan rufus, yung mga amo mong mga pare nandun din ano ba tawag mo dun diba lobbying din? it takes two to tango so accept your defeat. the people wants the RH bill to be passed &  this same people are the ones paying your salary not your priests & bishops!

    • bechay64

      ang mga iyan hindi cabinet officials eh, say mo? Hindi mo ata alam ang sinasabi mo please lang ” U N D E R S T A N D” bago dumada ha? Thank you.

      • dickenhead

        hahaha i pity you you and your meddlesome pathetic gangs of hypocites. wait there will be more, next we will be taxing your businesses & assets eat your heart out

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        do it fast…..

  • dikoy321

    Where were you Bishops, when GMA used HARD CASH to sway members of Congress, Governors, even Justice members just to GET them to say YES to GMA???

    Also, how sure are you to claim the presence of gov’t/cabinet officials clinched the YES vote, when MANY LP members, not just a handful, voted NO?

    Also, why NOT march as well in Compostela Province, distribute relief goods/cash for the PABLO victims, especially the needy Children ???

    Leave Ceasar’s what is Ceasar’s (Politics) and attend to what you as Bishops must do (the moral and spiritual NEEDS of the flock!) in order to move the country Forward!

    As Bishops, you must ALWAYS and ONLY stick to the TRUTH!

    YES TO RH BILL !

    Forward Philippines !!!

  • VicenteBoticol

    Why are the Bishops complaining about the lobbying of mar Roxas et al  when the Bishops themselves were all seaated at the gallery and even threatened the Pro RH Congressmen of a catholic Vote backlash? All of us Pinoys have equal rights to advocate,lobby and support for or against the Bill. Dba immoral ang pakikialam ng mga Obispo at Kaparian? The Philippine Constitution expressly demarcates and separates the State from the Church ! Mga Damaso na malalaki ang tiyan tumigil na kayo….wala ng naniniwala sa inyo.Ang ating mga Pari at Obispo ang pinaka IMMORAL sa ating bansa…..mga Pedophile,Homosexual,Ivory Smugglers,Pajero Bishops,Rapist,Child Molesters,Thphoon Aid Embezzlers and Hypocrites…..Come to think of it…..may mga pari at obispo ba na nagbigay ng Cash Assistance sa Typhoon Victims ever since?  W A L A !

    • http://twitter.com/pontived ryan joseph ubas

      a catholic church ay ang pinakamalaking charitable institution sa mundo. ang phedo issue at iba pa ay hindi lamang nangyayari sa simbahan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/junjun.teodosio Jun Jun Teodosio

      grabe ang iyong comment sa mga kaparian…parang walang ginawang tama…nakinig ka ba sa speech ni cong. socrates reyes ng palawan? sino ang nagpalaya sa bansa noong edsa 1 pati edsa 2? sino ang nagtuturo ng tama at namamahala ng mga magagaling na unibersidad sa bansa, di ba mga kaparian din? huwag ka, kilalang kilala kita at alam na alam ko ang baho mo…tumigil ka nga…ikaw ang hipokrito.

    • UrHONOR

      YES!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      spoken like a true born against……

  • dikoy321

    Rufus Rodriguez LOST IT !

    The Bishops were NOT there to simply WATCH, but to DO SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSUASION with their colorful, personal presence, anticipating that more members of Congress would vote NO, under their eagle eyes !!!

    Salamat naman at NABIGO mga Bishops, Rufus and their flock, who thought their INTIMIDATION would Work !

    If another VOTE in the 3rd Reading is needed, CONGRESS must show that indeed there’s a SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE in Pinasland !

    Forward Philippines !!!

  • bechay64

    Ano nga ba ang turo nung bata-bata pa ako? Empty cans make a lot of noise daw. Sana kuha natin ang turong yan. 

  • cong_lolong

    “What happened to the independence of the legislators? The Executive should not meddle with the legislature.”

    –         
    What makes the Legislature subservient to the Executive is the pork barrel.  Give up
    your pork  barrel cong and you will be independent.

    • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

      hindi aasenso ang bayang ito kung lahat ng talunan kagaya mo, crab! Anong klaseng democratic process ba ang gusto mo? You can blame the person who voted against your wish….but not the system that works.

      • bgcorg

        Maybe you are referring to a system that works for your vested interest?  So that if it does not, or principled people works against your value system, other people are “crabs”?  Your democratic system is failed and corrupt, man!

      • vinzerx

        Yours isn’t even a democracy to begin with, with you forcing everyone to submit to Catholic norms.

        “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

      • mangdiego

        Hogwash! Who said Catholic norms were being forced? Men of good principles and morals know which is the right vote. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Klein-Mo/1764894963 Klein Mo

        “Men of good principles and morals know which is the right vote.” – Who? the Bishops? I strongly disagree. I can engage you to a debate whether in terms of theory, principle or practice!

      • billy gunner

        funny. just because that’s the system it doesnt mean it’s right.

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    Sabi nila ang maraming population ay asset. Paano magiging asset ang milyon-milyon na di nakapag-aral? You will be a blind hypocrite if you do not see na napakaraming pinag-aaral na tinutustusan pa ng magulang ay nagbubulakbol lang hanggang maging dropout. Yung iba nasa droga at bisyo pa. Where are these churchmen so called moral guardians? You failed! Bakit kailangan pa ng RH law?….because you failed!!!

    At itong mga bobong bulag….taking pride na hindi aasenso ang bayan kung wala ang OFW, kaya dapat magparami para mas dumami pa ang OFW. What a dumb proposition. FILIPINOS SHOULD NOT BE ABROAD WORKING AS SLAVES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Why don’t you look at the fact na kung sino pa ang walang kakayahan sila pa ang maraming anak. Bishops and priests do your work. Let the RH Bill be passed and monitor (if you like) the operations of health centers. Kung wala nang pasiente dyan na nag-aavail….only then can you bishops  say that your ministries have succeeded….that people have learned to live according to the models and teachings of the church, and so the RH law would have become useless and inoperable.

  • jon_wainwright

    mukhang sa maasim na ubas ang gamit sa pag-gawa ng Mompo ngayon?

  • bgcorg

    Those who justify the presence of administration officials to influence for the “yes” votes to  win forget that they hold the budget and the influence of the president (Mar Roxas is DILG chief; Abad is secretary of Budget and Management; Lacierda and Carandang belong to the office of the press secretary).  There is coercive, moral and persuasive pressure to vote “yes” OR ELSE!  The presence of bishops, priests, seminarians, nuns and lay people were only moral and does not involve party whipping or else you suffer delay of release of your pork barrel or its suspension altogether!

    The matter of getting elected by the people, however, is a different matter!  Catholics, on a rude awakening, now see where pro-life supporters are leading this country to.  For the love of Mammon, they have sold morality and truth for the 30 pieces of silver bribed by this government for those who will vote “yes” to pass the bill.  DAANG MATUWID PA NAMAN!

    Expect political suicide for Roxas to reap the fury of the wind.  Binay will clobber you again.  The victory of UNA over Pinoy’s party in 2013 had just been assured!

    • andrew lim

      I  suspected this kind of thinking would materialize among rabid catholics. Framing everything in terms of anti or pro -rh and voting/rejecting candidates based solely on this will result in the church supporting previously rejected candidates due to corruption.

      All corrupt candidates like the Arroyos and those in the UNA have to do is say they are anti-RH and the CBCP will wash away all their sins.

      • penoykaw

        What do you call the incentives given to congressmen to approve the RHBill?  Do you call them grace from Pnoy? or corruption in Malacanang?

    • vinzerx

      Oh sure, I suppose all the mumblings of “CATHOLIC VOTE” from the retread bishop statements weren’t supposed to be coercive, right?

      You can take your supposedly “morality” act to where the sun don’t shine. For real Catholics (not fanaticists like you), they understand that’s un-Christian-like to force one’s beliefs on a nation that’s not 100% Catholic.

      • penoykaw

        There is no money in it, so it comes from the heart.

    • penoykaw

      How can they forget the millions of lobby money poured by the multinational companies , plus budget allocations of Abad for congressmen and media, and the rest of the nerve center of Malacanang.  They should call an attendance roll here in these column. Even have a  prize for the greatest defender of the day.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V6JTYBZXUSXIDCD67ACZK7NUKM Joseph

    Admin officials lobbying says the bishops in congress. What hypocrites!

    • mimimayhem

      Politics and money and self interest versus real conviction albeit religious? C’mon. Choose which side you are in.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ETIVE4H6I7ZVBAL72HE3VLGCA4 nicosan

        well, choosing religion doesnt make you a good person. if you dont live it. sad to say, even priests dont practice what they preach…

      • penoykaw

        HOw do you know?  How can you judge those who are more intelligent than  you?  Ignorance, i will say.

      • http://twitter.com/mackyp4 macky pamintuan

        I wouldn’t put it as real conviction. Hypocrisy & ignorance on the religious side are more appropriate.

      • penoykaw

        Hypocrisy and ignorance is more descriptive of you and your likes.

  • motorcyclemama

    What the F? Aren’t the BS Hops doing the same for almost 14 years?

    • billy gunner

       that’s the clergy’s moral responsibility. as to the malacañang boys, we’ll i cant find any obvious reason other than pork.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Klein-Mo/1764894963 Klein Mo

        I bet the clergies don’t even know how to define morality

    • mimimayhem

      That’s different. Bishops and church are autonomous, look at it like a non-profit organization who can lobby. But Palace officials and cabinet members pressuring others with their presence? That’s outwardly against the law.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1662030183 Diwa Rafael Bontuyan

        Ummm… No its not.. The executive is allowed to have its legislative agenda. I do not recall any provision of law or the constitution declaring lobbying as illegal.

      • penoykaw

        But the legislative should be allowed to function independently without any influence from the executive branch.  When executive functions are used to bargain for the bills deemed urgent by the executive, that is manipulation of the government.  Shame!

      • mamer2

        Oh really.
        Didn’t the Pope ordered the Church not to involve themselves in government functions.
        Wherein they admonished to clean up 
        their “back-yard, kitchen and bedrooms, first.

      • penoykaw

        The church is made up of Pilipino citizens who have the right to get involved in the government.  They are also the shepherds of the faithful.  

      • penoykaw

        Ni hindi mo alam ibig sabihin ng government functions.  Ibig sabihin nun, kung ikaw ay may position sa gobierno.  Bobo.

      • mamer2

        You, yourself, the self-proclaimed “defender of the Church” 
        is the WORST that could happen to the Church.

        A hot-head and a callous mind with an “evil inner-core”.

      • penoykaw

        hahaha defender of corruptors!  Making money out of the corruptors!  A very lucrative profession nowadays.

  • disqusted0fu

    whats in it for this administration that they are so desperate in making sure this bill passes?! these Aquino cronies are present from start to end for the voting of a bill where they are not really needed. but for helping typhoon victims, they were only there for some photo ops.

    • mamer2

      Think before you blog.

      Believe me…, the administration. and the Philippines, really need the approval of this Bill.

      • penoykaw

        The administration really need the benefits from multinational corporations.  This is the height of corruption, and hypocrisy.

      • mamer2

        The height of corruption is your “hero, the previous administration”.

      • penoykaw

        Hahaha, up to now that is your lame excuse.  Grow up!

      • mamer2

        Ha Ha – Ho Ho..!
        If up to now you have 
        no answer to “THE LAME QUESTION”…,
        then return what you and your cohorts GOT.

      • mamer2

        You’re quite consistent on whom you support.
        All “Losers”…, just LIKE YOU.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CBCR5LTZE3EUBE7BIP53DN3Z5Y Ricardo

    Since the Church exhibits no inhibition in wading into the nation’s political exercises, I suggest we tax it just like any other institution. Futhermore, I find their claims of speaking for God, the Holy Spirit and morality so repulsive we may need to consider putting them in the NMH. Anybody claiming to speak for somebody must present acceptable proof that they have been authorized by the absent party. Should we accept their claim that they do speak for God? Or do we simply have a bunch of impersonators for the Almighty, living off the sweat of the toiling Pilipinos?  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Klein-Mo/1764894963 Klein Mo

      Agree. That is perhaps the best follow-up bill. Make the church pay taxes!

      • usapan_lang

        agree ka ng agree di mo naman alam ang sinasabi mo

      • mamer2

        Eh…,kayo.
        Could you please explain to him and to others reading here.

      • penoykaw

        Lahat ng income earned ng simbahan ay sumasailalim sa tax.  Nagbabayad po.  Ang contributions ay di taxable.  Bigay lamang yun.   Ang nagsasabing di nagbabayad ng tax ang simbahan ay baliw.

    • usapan_lang

      Bakit kaya sa tingin mo di tina-tax ang mga simbahan? di lang sa pinas pati na rin sa ibang bansa tulad ng Amerika. Bago ka magcomment pagaralan ang sinasabi para di mag-mukhang ignorante.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TWOQ7QUJBGQVE3EQED2365SUDM Pete

    i didn’t know the Annapolis product was a coward…

  • http://twitter.com/DonnaMayNamoc Donna May Namoc

    asan ang konsensya ng mga officials na eto? unahin ang main root ng problema, which is corruption!

    • mamer2

      I agree with you there.

      Unfortunately.., or otherwise…, many of the anti-RH legislatures fall under your category of being corrupt.

      • penoykaw

        Kaya kinokorupt nila ang mga congressmen, sa pamamagitan ng pork barrel, para aprobahan ang RHBill.  Maliwanag yun, kaya nandun yun apat na alipores ni Pinoy.

      • mamer2

        Your assertion about pork-barrel being used for corruption to pass the RH-Bill is just that. Pure assertion without proof.

      • penoykaw

        The biggest corruptor, si Pnoy, gamit ang pera ng bayan!

  • Your_King

    These four rarely appear and once there was vote they magical show up. They were definitely sent by Aquino to lobby, if not force Congress to do what Aquino wants.They were there, especially Abad, as a reminder that if you do not do what Aquino wants, you and your constituents will suffer his wrath. Possibly having your PDAF conveniently withheld.

  • penoykaw

    Bili kayo ng Congressmen, sigaw ng Presidenteng Abortionista.

    • mamer2

      Again…, an implied allegation  of Mis-Information.

      • penoykaw

        Ang presidente mo, abortionista!

  • just_anotherperson

    Hindi mo pala kailangan ang Catholic vote Mr. Roxas.

  • JustWords811

    mar, you have placed your presidential dreams under very serious jeopardy. ingat at baka mabalikan ka. as to pnoy, his stock of goodwill is rapidly and surely depleting. sayang.

    • just_anotherperson

      I doubt if Mar Roxas can win even against Jinggoy Estrada.

      • mamer2

        Now then….,
        Is Jinggoy Estrada.., 
        NOW, the Champion of the Anti-RH and the Catholic Church…?.?.?

      • penoykaw

        Ang babaw mo.  Wala kang karapatan magsasagot puro katanggahan lamang ang alam mo.

      • mamer2

        LOOK who’s talking.

        The only things you have contributed here are bits & pieces of mis-information.

  • UrHONOR

    HINDI dapat sumasali sa usapan dito yong mga makikitd ang utak at walang sapat na kaisipan upang talakayin ang paksa sa pangksalukuyan.  Pinananaig ang kanilang mga pusong mamon na ang laman ay puro hangin ng kaechosan.  Mayroon pa dyan na kaTOLik-kaTOLik daw sila, tapos ang pinalalabas na ugali at kaisipang pangkalye at pangpalengke (ad hominems) ay tiyak na IKAHIHIYA ng mga tunay na catholics.  Nakiki-kaTOLik-kaTOLik, tapos ang alam lang naman ay “pader-pader” at “that’s a sin”.  In other words, phonies who are trying hard to be what they’re not so they can be with the IN GROUP.  WORST kind of individuals…just as the TNL na bisyaps. Neither here nor there. PSHAW!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

      Talking about “makikitd ang utak at walang sapat na kaisipan”, and your above post is like what? 

      • UrHONOR

        SIRIT na…WHAT?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

        sirit…….pinaka makitid…..tama?

      • UrHONOR

        NAPAKABANO mo namang sumagot….sirit,  tapos magtatanong ka!  KUNG nakitaan kita ng kahit nakatiting na katinuan, papatusin kita.  Pero dahil sa mas makitid pa ang utak mo sa eskinita sa Smokey Mountain, tuloy mo na yang ginagawa mong paggugulok.

      • penoykaw

        Lahat ng salita mo, bumabalik sa iyo.  Nakiki magaling ka wala ka naman karapatan.

      • UrHONOR

        Lahat ng salita mo, bumabalik sa iyo.  Nakiki magaling ka wala ka naman karapatan.

      • mamer2

        Temper. Temper.

        Name-Calling and/or Insults will get us nowhere.

      • kalikasanipagtanggol

         pasensiya ka na Bert dahil gumamit ng salitang bakla ito kaya sigurado ako bading ito at hindi na dapat pinapatulan dahil baka mapagbintangan ka pumapatol sa bakla!

  • abner

    -

  • abner

     NAKU buti nalang nagpakita ka agad ng kulay Mar Roxas…mabuti at di mo ginaya ang boss mong si pnoy…nung una di sumasagot kung ayaw ba nya sa rh bill….tinatago nia ang kanyang position dahil alam nia may catholic vote….Mabuti naman at nagpakita ka na ng kulay mo…matutulad na naman sana kami sa boss mo na pagkatapos iboto eto…eh nagsisisi dahil  parang kasama kami sa pagbigay ng  kutsilyo para kami ay saksakin…napakasakit….
    kung nabubuhay lang si cory eh baka nasampal na iyan.

    • mamer2

      What “Catholic Vote”…?
      You may probably mean the “Bishops’ Vote” or the “Clergy’s Vote”..!,?

      • penoykaw

        Yan ang akala mo.  

  • d2yan

    Sabi ni P-Noy pagbobotohan lang, WIN or LOSE, it doesn’t matter.  Pero ano ito?
     
    Sabi ng mga PRO RH officials, they will be GRACIOUS WHATEVER is the vote of Congress.  SINUNGALING pala sila….!
     
    I think Malacanang HATE to LOSE.  I think they are SORE LOSERS…

    • mamer2

      Your “last line”.., doesn’t seem to be supported with the analysis presented in your previous lines.
      It is neither here nor there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000942306094 Wilfredo Cruz

    If Malacanang is lobbying, then what do you call the presence of religious people in Congress?  How about some separation of Church & State?

    • UrHONOR

      SEPARATED naman, di ba?  Yong Church na sa isang gilid, at yong State naman, na sa  kabila!  :)

      • mamer2

        Ah…, ganoon ba ang gusto mo..?
        Mag ka policiepo tayo. Mag ka loko  han…?
        Ganoon ba…?

      • UrHONOR

        MAHIRAP ang mga tanong mo….pang matatalino!  HINDI ko kayang sagutin.  SIRIT na!

    • penoykaw

      Malacanang emisaries may dalang power, money power ni Abad, at si Roxas pinapauwi ang mga hindi umayon sa RHBill at sinabihan huwag bumoto.  Gaya ni Golez.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T24N4GB5325RX7QBDUTU7KTKW4 Chi2 Garupa

    Hon Golez, how about voting NO instead of walking out? You are a disappointment indeed.



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