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Wednesday is D-Day for RH bill

House to finally vote on controversial bill after 14-year war

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Will the reproductive health bill (RH) pass the House of Representatives?

The answer will be known on Wednesday after representatives, either supporting or opposing the measure, agreed to put House Bill 4244 to a vote on second reading.

Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez on Thursday said he and other opponents of the bill had agreed on the date, Dec. 12, because it was the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the patroness of the unborn.

“Wednesday will be D-Day. The 14-year war on the RH bill will finally end,” he said in a phone interview.

Rodriguez said the agreement came about during a meeting with Speaker Feliciano Belmonte just before the session resumed on Wednesday afternoon.

Numbers game

 

“The anti-RH group agreed on the date because we are confident of our numbers,” he said.

Rodriguez pegged at 136 the number of House members who will vote against HB 4244. He said only 95 are expected to support the measure.

But the pro-RH contingent was just as confident that the bill would pass. Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman, the bill’s principal author, said the defeat of the amendments proposed by anti-RH lawmakers was indicative of the outcome.

But Davao City Rep. Karlo Nograles remained unfazed even after the amendments he proposed were rejected by the majority.

“Frankly, it’s a good thing they are rejecting the amendments. It makes it easier for us to reject the bill,” Nograles said after the session adjourned on late Wednesday because there were not enough House members on the floor.

“Even if our amendments are good, they were not accepting them. If that’s the case, then let’s just vote on (the bill),” he said.

Amendments rejected

 

Lagman rejected Cavite Rep. Lani Mercado’s proposed amendment seeking to discourage poor women from resorting to abortion.

Mercado wanted the declaration of policy to be amended to state: “The State shall promote openness to life welcoming all children born to married couples…”

“Unintended pregnancies can be referred to adoption centers in the care of private religious organizations or nongovernment organizations. To improve the quality of life of the family, married couples are encouraged to plan and space the children they will have with full support from the State in matters pertaining to reproductive health and responsible parenthood,” Mercado said.

But Lagman rejected the amendment, saying the provision had been “agreed (upon) in serious consultation” during the drafting of the substitute bill. Mercado appealed the decision only to be rejected again by the majority in a voice vote.

Anti-RH congressmen zeroed in on the same provision, but Lagman, who was defending the bill, stood his ground. He was sustained by the majority whenever his rejection of proposed amendments was appealed.

Rodriguez sought to delete the entire provision which states that “the State shall also promote openness to life…,” saying he and his group were uncomfortable with the subsequent clause that said, “…provided that parents bring forth to the world only those children that they can raise in a truly human way.”

‘Population control’

 

Manila Rep. Amado Bagatsing wanted to remove the condition, arguing that: “Are we now saying that we will stop (poor couples) from having babies (just because they are poor)?”

Rodriguez said the provision showed that the RH bill “is clearly a population-control measure.”

“There is now here a prior restraint on pregnancy and bringing forth children,” he said, citing the constitutional provision promoting the establishment of a family based on one’s religious conviction.

“Responsible parenthood in the article on family pertains to what the family thinks as responsible parenthood and not the parenthood which the State would like to impose and coerce on its citizens,” he said.


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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Finally, the pro-RH have decided to stop being cowards.

    May Wednesday bring us all good news in the form of a bill that will bring immense help to our society, both socially and economically.

    • bgcorg

      The facts appear to be clear and unless pro-rh legislators change their position, they would lose.  For, level-headed legislators who think long-term for the good of the nation now see that:

      1. There is no absolute necessity to pass rh bill into law.  The acceptable provisions of the bill can rather be refiled as amendments to already existing laws.  This would also avoid dividing the country and fooling the people with a nomenclature of a bill which is not really a  health bill but a “population control bill.”

      2. Countries that have adopted national policies then to limit human births by artificial or legislated means are now retracing their steps, having learned the lesson that suppressing human births does not work in the long term.  By stubbornly insisting on the passage of an rh bill into law, it will only bring back the country into a state that had been abandoned by these others and hence, regressive for us to adopt.

      3.  The economic growth and progress of the country is largely credited here and internationally to our “young, vibrant workers” which had stimulated the economy by driving consumption up.  Had we adopted an aggressive birth control program that had been implemented some 14 years ago, we would not have this competitive advantage now, putting the country on the verge of being “the new emerging economic tiger of Asia.”  Voting “yes” for the passage of the rh bill into law, would obliterate this competitive edge in a world today hounded by economic recession and debts.  “No” should be the correct vote, if legislators have to be true patriots of the country.

      4.  It has now become apparent that poverty and corruption cannot be eliminated by free condoms and artificial contraceptives which, STRANGELY, is being pushed against so much opposition, to be adopted as a “health bill.”  Poverty, disease, life of mother and infant, miserable life as informal settlers, non-containment of crime, can be better overcome by DIRECT, FOCUSED AND PRIORITIZED EFFORTS through government impact programs, like: job and employment generation, appropriate skills training, more universal education for the youth now, more livelihood opportunities for mothers and out-of-school youth (e.g., by home or cottage industries producing products for export), more universal health and social care, more sustainable investments, well-planned infrastructures free from corruption, better peace and order conditions, especially in far-flung and remote areas of the archipelago, more fast, efficient administration of justice, ”bread” in the here and now. No to rh bill should be the vote. Voting “yes” would defy objectivity, right reason, and jettison priorities.

      5.  The vote of “no” to rh bill is a vote for the genuine, lasting good of the Filipino people, for morality, and for stopping the floodgates of consequences we dread our society to experience and would placed it in danger thereafter.  A vote of “yes” is not a rejection of Church teaching (an empty triumph, maybe) by those who are supposed to be “the king’s faithful servant, BUT GOD’S FIRST.  It would be a vote of national suicide and be an accessory towards erecting a smokescreen against the inadequacy of government to provide “the one thing necessary” all governments are supposed to provide constituents with: a just, equal-opportunity social order!

      NO TO THE REGRESSIVE, TROJAN HORSE, THE RH BILL!

      • jinx

         You’re no different from the trapos in Congress who keep on grandstanding and dilly-dallying.  We’re tired of the same recycled arguments being churned out since time immemorial. Stop the foolishness. Time to vote parekoy. Tama na dakdak!

      • Janch

         Great.  Now it’s time to vote.  No more reason for delays.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        TL:DR

  • Fulpol

    War of Attrition on RH Bill might end on December 12…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Probably not, sadly.

      If it passes Congress next Wednesday, it still has to pass the Senate, IIRC (though I might be wrong on that).

      If it doesn’t pass, it’ll just be filed again at some point after the elections.  It’s a bill and idea that simply has too much momentum to die, IMO.

  • Fulpol

    Rodriguez sought to delete the entire provision which states that “the State shall also promote openness to life…,” saying he and his group were uncomfortable with the subsequent clause that said, “…provided that parents bring forth to the world only those children that they can raise in a truly human way.”

    —————————————-

    a very poor couple having only a child even find it hard to give the basic necessity of their only child, not truly human way..

    so accordingly, the couple should not marry or if they married, they should not have a kid or kids..

    what a stupid provision… this is in fact eugenics.. stop the genes of the poor people to continue surviving by means of disallowing procreation..

    No to RH bill.. seal the big mouth of Lagman..

  • filipinaskoh

    Finally! 
    They are to decide the RHBILL!

    I hope it will be put into law. 

    I hope the case of a mother who died by committing abortion because she never wanted to have a second child as her son is only a few months old, will not be repeated anymore because of RHBILL. Mother who wanted to have a better and well planned family will be given an attention. At the same time they will be able to know that illegal abortion will 90% take their lives.

    • bgcorg

      WHICH MEANS THAT ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTION, ABORTION, SAME SEX MARRIAGES, DIVORCE, PRE-MARITAL SEX, TEEN AND FREE SEX should not be part of Filipino life and society!  Without saying it, “reproductive health” technically means, for those in the know, legalizing the above practices in different countries. We should strengthen family life, the family being the foundation of a stable society.  Countries which, at one time or another, had adopted the suppression of human births are now reversing their national orientation.  Do we want our country to be backward, then, considering the facts of experience?  We should not experience the tears, anguish and untimely loss of life by the unborn human.  The Constitution guarantees our freedom to life, speech, from want and religion. Legislators should see that “openness to life” is for the long-term benefit of the country whose competitive edge of “young, vibrant workers” puts the country at the doorstep of “a new emerging tiger economy of Asia.”  No to the rh bill! No, to retrogression. Yes, to openness to life! Yes, to abstinence, sobriety, temperance, prudence, justice and fortitude. This is not a matter of State vs. Church, but the lives of young, future Filipinos. Let us not lose our competitive edge now of “young, vibrant workers” in favor of a fad that has now been rejected as a form of “national suicide” (Peter F. Drucker, ‘Management Problems in the 21st Century’). Level headed legislators will not hold on to a wrong assessment of facts; they would change their minds, confronted by the facts. Vote a resounding “NO” to the rh bill!

      • filipinaskoh

        You’re being too pessimistic! 

        You are thinking of things that are too-too far to happen. It was clearly written in our constitution ABORTION IS ILLEGAL, SAME sex marriage was never permitted in our constitution, We don’t have any law regarding DIVORCE – and if, it will go through a thorough scrutiny.

         Pre marital sex is already happening in our country- don’t you think that is the duty and responsibilities of the catholic prelates to preach MORALITY.

        Teen sex could be avoided because of RHbill – in which students will be taught in school regarding the value of morality.

        People who have the thinking like yours, nothing could be achieved!

  • quirinomayer

    Reps. Rufus Rodriguez,  Karlo Nograles and Amado Bagatsing are heroes — but not of the Philippines but of the Vatican, not of the Filipino populace but of the pope.  They are the ever loyal and valiant soldiers of Padre Damaso.

    • bgcorg

      People should think well and deep about the timing of trying to approve the rh bill by the House of Representatives.  Of course, legislators are more level-headed, not regressive or over-reactionary.  They know how to distinguish between right and wrong.  That is why on voting day, the anti-rh will win.

      NO TO THE RH BILL!

      • tamumd

        In your dreams! That is exactly why they are resorting to delaying tactics because they know they don’t have the majority of votes.

        I guess if you’re wrong with the SIN TAX bill…you’re gonna be wrong again with the RH bill. It will be a double whammy to you! lol Then suddenly your church would become irrelevant! lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

    Manila Rep. Amado Bagatsing wanted to remove the condition, arguing that: “Are we now saying that we will stop (poor couples) from having babies (just because they are poor)?”

    Answer:

          If you are a good samaritan, give up your PDAF and give it to the poor while allowing to make babies by the dozen, as simple as that rep. without common sense.

    • bgcorg

      You should be logical in your thinking.  Study the proposed substitute bill yourself and the amendments to improve it!  Then, you will see that the proposed bill lacks balance and social sensibility for poor women.  The PDAF is a non-issue here!  Taxing the public for the purchase of condoms and contraceptives, is.  The government should be focused and prioritize fighting poverty, giving opportunities to the very poor, and work for clean, transparent governance, free from corruption, not decimate the future population unnecessarily with artificial contraception.  Do something about actualizing the dreams and aspirations of the poor now, not providing them with “cake” in the form of free condoms and contraceptives when what they presently and urgently need is “bread.”  There is time to change; legislators who just blindly cowtow to interests other than the sanctith of life and morality, better think again! Be the Christian legislators that you should be and put on Christ; you are not serving the mammon, all his works and pomps. Like a faithful Christian soldier, you should march carrying the standard of truth! The hour is coming…

      The proposed bill is passe now, retrogressive and untimely. Those countries which had adopted an aggressive national policy to suppress human births are now retracting their orientation, hoping to achieve some balance in their demographic realities. Development, urbanization, transmigration and intra-migration, labor and employment are left out as valid considerations by the rh bill.

      Legislators, where are you leading this country to? Don’t be doggone unmovable. Think about the consequences of your action on the country if you vote yes for the passage of this redundant bill. No, to the rh bill!  No, to a law that purges morality out of Filipino life just to spite the Church!  Yes, to openness to life!  Yes, to hope and social justice! Yes, to transparency and morally good governance!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

        I am logical, he wants to use the poor, give up his PDAF for them, don`t make it so complicated. 

  • Facile1

    Can a government with a long record of human rights violations truly be taken seriously when they declare a “safe and satisfying sex life” is a basic right?

    If the whole point of the RH Bill is to provide for a “safe and satisfying sex life”, the Lady Senator can achieve these ends (and save the Filipino taxpayer a whole lot of pesos) simply by providing all with vibrators.
     
    And just so we’re clear on this point, I am also speaking as a woman.

    But EXPOSING healthy Filipina women (albeit the “poorest of the poor”) to the UNNECESSARY risks (however small) of oral contraceptives when free, safer and healthier alternatives exist only shows CONTEMPT.

    The RH Bill has shown only contempt for the Filipino woman.
    The RH Bill has shown only contempt for her social status.
    The RH Bill has shown only contempt for her religious convictions.
    The RH Bill has shown only contempt for her constitutional rights.

    BUT most of all, the RH Bill has shown only contempt for her healthy female body.

    The RH Bill will limit the population growth of the POOR and the IGNORANT, and SOMEONE will profit from the passage of the RH Bill. But let us not pretend that the sex life of the Filipino people will be safer or more satisfying for it.

    Vote ‘NO’ to this contemptuous — and contemptible — RH bill.

    • tamumd

      Your church has no credibility either. As if it doesn’t have history of killing people that went against its dogmas. Recently the whole catholic hierarchy was in conivance of hiding the perpetrators of child sexual molestations.Yet here you are screaming for the respect of the sanctity of life….when your church is doing exactly the opposite. Bunch of HYPOCRITES.

      • bgcorg

        The problem with you is that you are self-righteous; you are in fact the bunch of hypocrites!  You are using the fallacy of wrongs already admitted; as if you yourself are free of specks in you own eye!  As if doing wrong sincerely admitted would be a valid reason in this issue.  You have compartmentalized people and use your constructs to justify your views.  You should proceed from a position of strength in your argumentation to avoid being a hypocrite par excellance yourself, not from the perceived weakness of your adversary!

        NO TO THE RH BILL THAT IS NOW UNMASKED AS A POPULATION CONTROL MEASURE, ONLY FEEDING HEDONISTIC SATISFACTION PALA!  Why then is it necessary as a legislative measure?  Vote “NO” against the rh bill!  Scrap it altogether!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Random insults and accusations, repetition of a tired and old lie, etc.  Dont’ you lot have ANYTHING new to offer the discussion?

      • tamumd

        Ah this guy is the HYPOCTRITE par excellance..just like the rest of the catholic hierarchy. He pretends to have deep concern for the sanctity of life….and yet he turns around and was campaigning hard for the passage of the Recto’s Version of the SIN TAX bill. Sure letting our people to continue to burn their hard earned cash in some cigarette while they slowly kill themselves and those around them is a concern for human life. Sure….allowing the prices of tobacco dirt cheap is to encourage the youth to pick up the vice..and to him that’s concern for human life. Allowing those drunks to continue to terroize their families and theirn neighborhoods by making alcohol readily available is a respect for the dignity of human life. Oh wait…these substances has got nothing to do with sex…..the reality that the catholic church hates but love to practice them in secret. lol Pfft!

        And who is the one who acts to be self-rigtheous? Who is the one who pretends to know the will of god all the time..as if he reports to you on a daily basis? You bet I don’t have the speck and planks your church have on their eyes. I never killed anyone. I don’t have history of child molestations nor I hide evidence of child sexual molestations that I know. So yeah….they have the monopoly of those kind of disgusting crimes. Admitting a wrong..doesn’t mean we should completely relegate them to memories. NO way. That’s how we learn and that is how we prevent the same crimes in the future.

    • suburbanmother

      “The RH Bill will limit the population growth of the POOR and the IGNORANT…”

      Isn’t this a good thing? Why are you opposed to it? Would you rather have the poor and ignorant be PERPETUALLY poor and ignorant? 

    • dickenhead

      You are the ignorant one!

      • bundee

         ignorant, no brains in ur dikk?

    • tarikan

      “The RH Bill will limit the population growth of the POOR and the IGNORANT…”. Aha, slip of the tongue. See, Mr. Reverend Facile 1, what you and your group really wanted was to have more poor & ignorant Filipinos so you could manipulate them. 

  • zahraff

    We can surely predict that the RH Bill will be approved unanimously (landslide) by the legislators. This is democracy and not theocracy at works in the Philippines. Mark these words, “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CATHOLIC VOTE,” and the anti-
    RH will be humiliated to the core. Have a nice day, everyone!

    • bundee

       Have a nice day! More free condoms please!

    • dickenhead

      amen to that

    • Rigoberto_Tigdas

      I like your guts and gallantries… but we must not let our guards down and be vigilant about this. Afterall, we have waited long enough just to be deceived by these Damasos. They knew all the tricks in the book, and they’d been doing these since Jose Rizal’s time.

  • bundee

     Cambodia is in crisis for lack of manpower after losing their workers to crisis-bound Thailand. Bangkok has been the model for erotically charged RH lawmakers! Think again!

  • bundee

    RH Law = Population Crisis + Economic Crisis + Moral Crisis

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Catholic fearmongering is so passe.

      • bundee

        No need to be a Catholic. Scan the news in Bangkok, the one with URL …post_com, about Cambodia, ok ba?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Fearmongering is done by everyone, but in this case it’s the CBCP doing it.

        No idea what Bangkok news you’re talking about.

  • bundee

    RH Law  ~  directly proportional to the debit percentage of the sales of the contraceptives from multinational companies + kupit from the national budget  (From Principles of Pinoy Style, ala Sexy Lady)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PASA NALANG KASI ANG R.H BILL MALAY MO PAG DATING NG PANAHON MATULAD TAYO SA NEW ZEALAND AT SUWITZERLAND MAS MARAMI ANG BAKA SA TAO KAYA WALA PATAY GUTOM SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI ANG PALABOY NA BATA SA BAKA KAYA GUTOM” KAYO MGA PILIPINO BAKIT KASI PAKALAT KALAT BLESING NINYO WALA PANG SALAWAL NASA TAPAT PA NG SIMBAHAN SABIHAN NINYO SI CARNIVAL TAGLE BILHAN NG DAMIT ANG MGA BLESING NINYO”" KAYA UNSAFE ANG SIMBAHAN DAMI ISNATCHER”"SABAGAY BLESINGYAN KAY CARNIVAL TAGLE MARAMI DESPERADO LAKAS KOLEKSIYON. TALIBAN TERRORIST TALAGA CBCP BISHOPS’

    • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

      MR. EDGARDO MENDOZA, NAPAKAGANDA NG MGA PANGLALAIT MO SA SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO MAARI LANG PO I MENTION MO YONG RELIGION MO AT NANG SA GANON MALAMAN NG KARAMIHAN KUNG ANU  RELIGION MO PARA MALAMAN NILA KUNG SAAN SILA DAPAT LILIPAT BAKA SAKALI MAPALITAN ANG RELIGION NG PINAS SA RELIGION MO AT GUMANDA ANG IMAHIN NITO. WALA KASING MANGYARI LAIT KA NANG LAIT TAPOS WALA KANG NEREKOMENDAR.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIVAL TAGLE SAY YES’ TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • bundee

       like ko t!t! mo  :D

  • just_anotherperson

    Illegitimate and teen age birth has risen in the US and around the world despite contraception promotion – the reason – Promiscuity!

    Ref: Changing Patterns of Nonmarital Childbearing in the 
    United States
    by Stephanie J. Ventura, M.A., Division of Vital Statistics
    www(dot)cdc(dot)gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18(dot)pdf

    • tamumd

      But you conveniently forgot to mention that the highest teen pregnancy rates occur in the poorest part of the US called the Bible Belt such Mississippi, Alabama etc. Those are the most conservative, most religious part of the US. Sound familiar to you? We..the Philippines  have the highest teen pregnancy rate in southeast asia. Just like the catholic church here in the Philippines who is bent on undermining sex education for teenagers, Governor Bryant of Mississippi is sure bent of just sticking to abstinence only even though statistics is screaming on his face.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Father, please don’t forget that you and your kind are also contributors of illegitimate children..

    • tarikan

      Promiscuity is here to stay anywhere in the world, period. Now, in the absence of artificial contraception the illegitimate and teenage birth could have risen EXPONENTIALLY. 

  • just_anotherperson

    Let us not follow the example of the US

    In 1940 and in 1950, something on the order of 3% of American children were born out of wedlock. By 1960, the number was up to about 5%. Then, it went up by leaps and bounds. In 1980, it was 18.4%. In 2007, it was 39.6%. Today it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 40%. As the editors at Pravda-on-the-Hudson proudly trumpet, bastardy is “the new normal.” In 2009, 53% of all children born to women under 30 were born out of wedlock.Now think about this. How available was contraception in 1940, 1950, and 1960? Condoms existed, of course, but they were outlawed in many states, and the pill was not approved by the FDA until 1960. Abortions could be had — but not legally — and they were , in fact, exceptionally rare. This should give you pause for thought. Since Roe v. Wade in 1973, more than 50 million unborn children have been killed.So, what did women do in 1940, 1950, and 1960? For the most part, they exercised an iron self-control. They forced interested men to respect their needs and concerns, and men complied. Now young women do not have it together well enough even to be able to take a pill every morning or a shot every month. As contraception and abortion have become available, as they have become a frequent resort, the proportion of out-of-wedlock births has soared. If the trend continues, bastardy will be the norm, and the family will be regarded as a relic from an earlier, benighted age.

    • suburbanmother

      A big thank you to Roe vs Wade. It gave the women power to choose what is best for their body, family and future!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Ahhhh, the anti-RH side appears to be recycling its arguments.  Good thing we’re finally getting to a vote.

      As for this, you are amazingly deluded if you think it is true.  There are dozens of other factors that affect this, and blaming, essentially, everything bad on condoms is just really really ignorant.  It;s as bad as the claims about Singapore and population, back before you lot admitted this wasn’t a population control bill.

      As a Catholic, I find it amazingly depressing that the leaders of my religion have resorted to lying and fearmongering,

      • just_anotherperson

        You are right when you said “my religion” but they are not your religion’s leaders since you do not care what they say.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

        are “they” GOD? maybe he listens directly to what he feels God says.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        It doesn’t work that way.  I’ll take their guidance on certain moral issues, but I reserve the right to disagree.  Papal infallibility is a myth, and YOU have no right to tell me I’m not a Catholic.

        Oh, and using your logic, no one who criticizes P-Noy is a Filipino, because they do not seem to care what he says.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Father, US society is far far ahead of PHL’s. Also, our culture and traditions are very different from theirs. In the meantime, let’s first focus on passing the RH bill and alleviating poverty in the country. Don’t compare apple to santol. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      the last time i checked US is still the most powerful nation on earth as of December 7, 2012.

  • jenny lim

     

    RH Bill, kills!

    But in the end, if we insist and push our own will,
    despite the warning,  [yes God respects
    our decision] but we’ll surely suffer the consequence. 

    Something is not right when ‘Choice’ becomes a
    license to do everything man wants.  I hope the Congressmen and Senators
    who push RH Bill learn sincerity and stop manipulating and using the poor and
    women to advance their own interest and the interest of pharmaceuticals and
    abortion [post abortion] provider clinics. 

    Problems in this country are caused by
    corruption, not only of money but also of culture, morals and Filipino
    decency.  Sad to say, that there are people who are “willing victims
    or prey” to this “deeply rooted corruption” and then criticize
    those who are just trying to remind them – CBCP or the Church. I remember how
    my fellow students and activists cheered the CBCP – the Church; in making
    themselves involved to the Filipinos cause against Marcos – in the name of
    faith and morals.  And yet now, I wonder how “some” or
    “few” who claimed as “enlightened ones” criticize the CBCP
    or the Church who simply stand firmly on that same principle – faith and
    morals.  And then we hear congressmen and senators who paraded their
    arguments to push away “faith and morals” in the debate of RH Bill
    and willingly subscribe to the principle of “relativism”. 

    Sincerely, I cannot imagine a nation to survive
    without faith and morals and submit to the dictatorship of  ”relativism”.  I could only remember some leaders and nations
    who/which ended up horribly ruined.  And US.., EUROPE.., common’, we all
    know how problematic they are right now, even worse than ours; the thing is,
    they have high standard of living than ours.

    I’ve been with urban poor and rural poor, I lived
    with them [just like what pro RH claimed], I know how easy it is to manipulate
    my “fellow poor” in the slums and I’ve witnessed how some senseless
    or maybe conscienceless people “ride on” into it. I’m referring this
    to those who use the poor in promoting RH Bill when in truth it only benefit
    them [sponsors who are corrupt].

    RH Bill [provision on contraception and
    artificial birth control] is not pro poor it is pro corruption and pro business
    [pharmaceuticals and abortion or post abortion providers clinic]. It reduces
    the poor and the unborn into commodities or even treating them as figures in
    statistics.  Proper and discerning governance, fair distribution of taxes,
    “hands on” and “well monitored” livelihood projects, equal
    opportunities for Filipinos in education and “hanap buhay”,
    sustainable aid for farmers; these truly would help the poor.

    And of course when people in government would
    come into realization “WHAT IS ENOUGH” and “HOW MUCH IS
    ENOUGH”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      ‘Something is not right when ‘Choice’ becomes a license to do everything man wants.’

      See, I’d like to have a reasonable debate about the RH Bill, but when people post comments this stupid it makes it pretty clear that they have no idea what the bill is about, beyond what the Church lies about.

      Can we make a sub forum where only people who’ve actually read up on the facts can post or something?

    • EOJ

       Your narrow-mindedness kills.

    • joshmale2004

      “Something is not right when ‘Choice’ becomes a
      license to do everything man wants.” I tend to disagree on this line my friend. The RH Bill is not a license that once become a law will have to be applied to all citizenry by force. Even if the RH Bill is in place, the freedom of choice whether each and every family will avail or not. In terms of Morals, are you not aware that the privilege being offered by this RH Bill is already existing and is being done and practiced by Private Doctors and Private Hospitals. The only difference is that this private doctors and hospitals do not give these services for free and only well to do people and rich families can avail since they have the means to pay the high price of these doctors and hospitals.Does this mean that these doctors, hospitals and their patients are immoral? Sa madaling salita, may gustong ibigay na serbisyo ang gobyerno lalo na sa mga mahihirap na di kayang magbayad sa mga doctor at hospital sa pangangailangan nila. Gusto lang mangyari ng gobyerno eh isabatas para maging maayos at mailagay sa tamang aspeto ang pagbibigay ng serbisyo. At para masiguro nilang lahat ay mabibigyan ng parehas na serbisyo ay may karampatang parusa sa mga Government entities at LGUs kapag di nila sinunod ang batas sa pagbibigay ng serbisyo. Sa punto to, merong may gusto at me mga ayaw naman. Bakit kailangan ipagkait ang batas na to sa mga me gusto dahil lang sa rason na mge mga ayaw din? Bakit hindi ilagay ang batas at hayaang gamitin ng mga me gusto at wala namang pagpipilit na gamitin sa mga hindi gustong magpatulong?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      YES TO RH BILL!!!

    • tarikan

      Faith and morals? RC has no monopoly of faith and morals, in fact some members of the clergy infamously displayed their lack of it when they were exposed a pedophiles, sexual harassers, banking manipulators (Vatican Bank scandal) and Pajero bishops. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    Great news indeed! Let’s start moving our country forward and position ourselves at the forefront of ASEAN by the next decade! But before we can do that, let’s free ourselves first from the shackles of poverty and the RC church!

    PASS THE RH BILL NOW!!

    • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

      Great!!!!!! ano ba religion mo?, baka sakaling lilipat ang karamihang pilipino sa religion mo,, mention mo naman,,,, paano malaman ng karamihan kung saan sila dapat lilipat kung d mo ipakilala religion mo mukhang maganda yata yan. FREE OURSELVES FROM THE SHACKLES OF POVERTY AND RC CHURCH? SAAN BA LILIPAT EH DI MO PINAKILALA RELIGION MO DON’T BE SELFISH SHARE WHAT YOU HAVE, PASALI NAMAN SA RELIGION MO PAKI MENTION NGA PLEASE!!!!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        Sorry, I don’t mingle religious beliefs with political issues. What I don’t like are the non-tax paying religious organizations who interferes in the business of the government.

      • Che Court

        but the church also hires a lot of filipinos. they also provide jobs to many our people.RYAN E think!

      • Che Court

        think… they provide education to many of our citizens. gave a lot of jobs. run charities… what else do you want from them?…tax? think!

      • tamumd

        They provide education only for the rich kids! Just look who goes to their schools from elementary to college. Just check what kinda patients go to their hospitals. The rich people. The charities they have are all funded from money collected from their congregation. What kinda “lots” of jobs are you bragging about? Those office jobs in the the parish offices manned by like 2 to 5 people at most? lol You gotta be kidding us! They have real estate properties that are earning incomes. They have millions of money sitting in investments they didn’t wanna touch.

      • Che Court

        only for the rich kids? hahaha… are you kidding? just a week ago, i went to remote area here in mindanao… a school run by a catholic foundation, enrolled the whole children of the community for free… hahaha. if not because of that school, no way they could finish high school. they for sure end up being dumb… hahaha… do have an alternative for the catholic institution? hahahaha think!

      • tamumd

        Someone is lying to their teeth. The children of the whole community is free? In your dreams! No where in the whole archipelago….a catholic education is free for the whole community from elementary to high school. There’s no way they could afford to support the whole community’s children education for 10 years without considerable consistent financial support from outside. How else are the teachers paid? How else are the electricity and water and school supplies and campus upkeep are paid?

        However you can go around the country and check. Just in Manila alone UST, Ateneo, La Salle, St Scholastica’s….just check what kind of students go there. I bet you no one from Payatas or Baseco do.

      • boypalaban

         yan lang ang alam mo…mga matataas maningil ng tuition sa Maynila…di ka kasi nagagawi ng Mindanao…galing ako doon kaya alam ko…daming mga hindi Katoliko na hindi na nga nagbabayad karamihan sa mga catholic schools doon…mas may alam pa ako sa yo kahit di ako katoliko…maynila lang alam mo…

      • Che Court

        hahaha.. now, i’m lying. hahaha… well to see is to believe. it is not my intention anyhow to convince you.  they call that school as mission school. that’s why its for free. the teachers receive  “enough” salary. they didn’t complain and they don’t demand because according to the them,its all for the children. this only prove how ignorant you are. keep on barking like a crazy dog. i dont know how good citizen are you. i hope you are also involve in social work. next week we will go there to give some gifts to the children. and they are all excited…hahaha… 

        ps. be careful what you say, there might be a student from ateneo that would come to you and say, i’ve come payatas…and i studied there for free! 

      • tamumd

        I still don’t buy your claim that the whole community children are all given free education from elementary to high school. It’s not just viable or sustainable a concept. Maybe if you’re talking about 3 to 10 children..and not the whole community children. I guess by community you meant barangay or town so that’s not possible. And even if you’re telling the truth how many of this kinda schools there are in our country compared to the high cost, high tuition catholic schools that are pretty much in every city and big towns all over the country? Maybe your example is an anomaly. Since your church is the one trying hard to block the passage of the RH bill and wants to maintain the status quo of having millions of poor, uneducated children, it should open at least 50% of the enrollment in these private schools if they really meant what they preach and have a genuine concern for the education of the poor. Until that happens..it’s all just lip service.

        Oh bring me a student from Ateneo or UST that lives in Payatas. I bet you there’s none.

      • Che Court

        dont buy because i dont sell… hahaha…3 to 10 it too small. as i said, its a remote area. see! nothing is enough for you. i wonder what would happen if all catholic schools would closed? hahaha… a typical consumeristic and capitalistic mentality. GREED. ito nalang. if you happen to be in cebu asked about this school “Sister of Mary boystown school in Minglanilla… ask the people about that school and listen to what they say. ok? 

      • tamumd

        I told you it’s not that “whole community’ kinda school that you want it to appear to be. Hahahahaha 3-10….if as individual/family we could send 2 of our distant relatives to school…how much can the whole catholic church do when it owns pretty much all the private schools in the Philippines? Consumeristic and capitalistic and greedy? That pretty much describes the catholic church. They are against the bill that would address poverty yet they are not willing to shoulder the education of those children even if they have the capacity to do it. They only want to cater to the rich kids…and that is consumeristic and capitalistic and greedy! No not ALL catholic schools would NEVER closed…your church is just so greedy they cannot afford to do so even if they don’t even pay any taxes whatsoever.

        Again as I’ve said earlier..even if you are telling the truth..your school is an anomaly compared to the thousands of catholic schools that are present all over the archipelago. In other words they are NOT doing ENOUGH in terms of free education considering their vociferous objection to the RH bill.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Whatever,,, its better to share what organization you belong today for the sake of PEOPLE in the PHIL. who wanted to be like what are now if it helps you of providing better living…. If you wish to help a better nation help the people by providing good information where to go for better living,

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      DOWN with the DAMASOS!!!

      • boypalaban

        down? luluhod ka na ba sa kanila para sumubo?

      • Guest

         boypalaban supports child molesting priests.

      • boypalaban

         suportado ko rin ang gaya mong manunupa ng mga manyakis na pari…

  • EOJ

    RH bill is for the betterment of society as a whole. we have to guide and give the right options to the poor. Give them the choices and information and let them decide.

     

  • joshmale2004

    Gauging by the majority’s rejection of the amendments by ANTI RH Bill Congressmen which off course an obvious tactic to delay the proceeding and freeze the voting, this is an indication that the RH Bill will pass on the final reading and will win the votes to become a law. YES TO RH BILL.

  • bundee

    RH Law, safe & pleasurable sex for the poor!   hehehehehehe at hehehehhe pa . . . progress for the phooor kuno?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      progress for the majority, not for religiots like you.

      • bundee

        progress? for sexiots like you? kaya lang liit naman tt mo kaya gusto mo condom, libre pa gusto mo?

      • bundee

         Progress, kaya condom ang sagot!  Like!

    • joshmale2004

      Proliferation of pornographic materials, adult websites in the internet, proliferation of TV programs about pre marital sex, adultery, bigamy, proliferation of drugs. These are the major factors promoting ADULTERY, young sex activities, drug related crimes. Instead of Barking at the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit ko sa taas.

      • bundee

         Eh bakit RH ang sagot? Ang tutuo Libog ang issue at gamit lang “phooor” kuno, maki libre pa sa condom!

  • Mali_Galig

    Since I cannot think correctly, I will let “Junior” think for me and will make my life a lot easy.

  • EdnaSwank

    “Will
    the likes of Pia Cayetano, Miriam Santiago, Kaka Bag-ao, Edcel Lagman or Janet Garin
    and the rest of the pro-RH legislators take the responsibility of
    renewing a damaged culture resulting from the RH experiment? Will they
    say sorry when parents will no longer be able to rear their children as
    the State have taken that task away from them? Will they at the very
    least apologize to us when our children have gone sexually addicted as a
    result of their RH indoctrination? Will you allow us to squeeze your
    necks when these things happen!” – Lito Yap “BAWAL pagbentahan
    ng beer, yosi at rugby ang mga batang menor de edad. Pero bakit sa
    ilalim ng RH Bill, pwede silang bigyan ng pills at condoms sabi ni
    Pia?!” – Ishamel Ahab. ISN’T IT IRONIC??? PAKIPALIWANAG NGA PO MGA
    KAGALANG-GALANG NA PRO-RH LEGISLATORS.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Hindi na po kailangan ang paliwanag dyan. Basahin lang po muna ninyo ng maigi ang kabuuan ng RH bill. Hwag po basta-basta maniwala sa lahat na sinasabi ng mga pari at obispo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      cry us a river, rh is here to stay.

    • joshmale2004

      Proliferation of pornographic materials, adult websites in the internet, proliferation of TV programs about pre marital sex, adultery, bigamy, proliferation of drugs. These are the major factors promoting ADULTERY, young sex activities, drug related crimes. Instead of Barking at the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit ko sa taas. YES TO RH BILL!!!!!

      • EdnaSwank

        Instead of the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit mo sa taas. NO TO RH BILL!!!!!

    • joshmale2004

      IGNORANCE SPARES NO ONE. A word of Advice My Friend. Just Read the RH Bill and decide. I did not decide based on the arguments of both ANTI and PRO RH Bill. I myself read the Bill and decided without inputs coming from this 2 groups. And judging from what I read, the RH Bill is good for me and my lovely wife and 2 children. Try it also. Give some time to your self and immerse in reading the bill. You will find the answer to all your question. And after reading, whatever you decide whether pro or anti, your conscience will be clear.

      • boypalaban

        “And after reading, whatever you decide whether pro or anti, your conscience will be clear.”

        magkaiba man tayo ng pananaw…super ayon ako dito sa sinulat mo….

      • EdnaSwank

        Talking about your “lovely wife and 2 children.” Are you ready to relinquish your responsibility to ensure of they’d be regarded with respect and dignity due them, and hand it to the government? I’m talking about the proposed amendments voted down, like deletion of of terms like pleasurable, satisfying, etc.; that religious freedom be respected, that only those of legal age can have access to contraceptives, that only those who are legally married can be given contraceptives, that parental consent must be given before those who are underaged can have access to contraceptive,  etc. Why are these not included in the bill? Why did they vote down these proposed amendments? Can it mean they want to give those who are underage to have access to contraceptives? Can it mean they want to give those who are having illicit affairs access to contraceptives? Can it mean they don’t want to respect religious conscience? Can it mean they don’t want the parents to now that their underage children have been given access by the government to contraceptives. Are you okay with your children being encouraged by the government to have “safe, satisfying, and pleasurable sex” behind your back? Are you okay for a cheating wife or husband to be encouraged by the government to go on with what they’re doing as long as they are having a safe, satisfying and pleasurable sex? If you are okay with all these, then I salute you for your support of the RH bill! 

      • joshmale2004

        I am sorry, you don’t get my point. My support of the RH Bill is for the more needy and poor families (I SAID FAMILIES) of our society and not for usage on extra marital affairs, sexual promiscuosity and all other unaccepted sexual activities. I am for giving them even with my tax share an equal opportunity to have access to what afforded can pay to doctors and hospitals. (Each of us has its own appreciation of the RH Bill. I may not like other articles in the Bill but for the family matters covered by the bill I strongly support). And lastly. I am not relinquishing my responsibility to my wife and children because I am not going to be a burden to the RH Bill as I already know to teach my children as they near maturity. As for my wife, I don’t have to send her lining to the LGU for our family and sexual matters as I have the resources to send her to a private doctor and hospital to seek the medical attention she needs. As I said, my support for RH Bill is for the benefit of the Poorest responsible families and nothing more. Thank you any for your comment as I need to compile this for future researches.

      • EdnaSwank

        Of course I don’t get your point! That’s expected! But my point is this, why were the proposed amendments I mentioned voted down? Weren’t those amendments make sure that the RH bill will not be used for “extra marital affairs, sexual promiscuosity and all other unaccepted sexual activities”? So what really is the intention of the bill then? Just give contraceptives to as many “poor” people as possible, so that the government can purchase as many as possible (as much kick-backs too!). Remember, what is not prohibited in the law, is presumed allowed! With that, what is implicitly allowed by this bill is also what you support, implicitly!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PHPM7ZIPGE5DYHRUYRZBPQGHZQ AlexC105

      Hey Edna, “renewing a damaged culture resulting from the RH experiment”, and “when our children have gone sexually addicted as aresult of their RH indoctrination”. What planet have you been on all this time? Don’t you know that Pinas has a high rate teenage pregnancy rate at the current time?  This inspite of the rule of the holier-than-thou people like you, our priests, and the corrupt politicians. Heck, even some priests contribute to this problem! Get this, we live in a damaged culture because of this very people who claim to represent God’s will but who in no way do.

      • EdnaSwank

        Well, well, well! I’m not saying I’m holier than you! Don’t judge me because you don’t me! All I’m saying is right is right, wrong is wrong whoever says it! If a murderer preaches that murder is bad, will you assert that it is good just because the one who says that it is bad is a murderer? And yes, “Pinas has a high rate teenage pregnancy rate at the current time,” does that mean we have to condone teenage promiscuity just because we already live in a damaged culture? Shouldn’t it be a more reason to repair it with teaching the right values?

  • andrew lim

    If the anti-RH truly have the numbers, then

    1.  why are their amendments being rejected during voting?

    2.  why do they waste their time trying to insert killer amendments when all they need is to vote on it if they claim to have the numbers?

    3.  why do they have to deliver privilege speeches unrelated to RH or discuss other matters to delay discussion?

    During the Corona impeachment, many of Corona’s supporters were into wishful thinking that the Senate will never get the 2/3 vote. A lot of Corona’s supporters are also now in the anti-RH camp, and they are also into wishful thinking. They wear the same red colors, and they invited Corona to speak at an anti-RH forum in Cebu last Nov 16. 

    To all Congressmen:

    Vote for the passage of the RH bill the way you voted to impeach Corona!

    • boypalaban

       lagman ang brenda are corona supporters/defenders..

  • tamumd

    The anti-RHs are out today. I guess they all can sense their demise is fast approaching! It’s their last minute desperate move..they are all coming up with “what ifs”, alarmist predictions without any empirical basis whatsoever. lol

    Let’s all PASS the RH bill ASAP.

    • boypalaban

      ok…sige mas priority mo yan kaysa sa mga biktima ng bagyo…
      Congrats…ang galing mo! the best ka!

  • joshmale2004

    “Something is not right when ‘Choice’ becomes a
    license to do everything man wants.” I tend to disagree on this line my friend. The RH Bill is not a license that once become a law will have to be applied to all citizenry by force. Even if the RH Bill is in place, the freedom of choice whether each and every family will avail or not. In terms of Morals, are you not aware that the privilege being offered by this RH Bill is already existing and is being done and practiced by Private Doctors and Private Hospitals. The only difference is that this private doctors and hospitals do not give these services for free and only well to do people and rich families can avail since they have the means to pay the high price of these doctors and hospitals.Does this mean that these doctors, hospitals and their patients are immoral? Sa madaling salita, may gustong ibigay na serbisyo ang gobyerno lalo na sa mga mahihirap na di kayang magbayad sa mga doctor at hospital sa pangangailangan nila. Gusto lang mangyari ng gobyerno eh isabatas para maging maayos at mailagay sa tamang aspeto ang pagbibigay ng serbisyo. At para masiguro nilang lahat ay mabibigyan ng parehas na serbisyo ay may karampatang parusa sa mga Government entities at LGUs kapag di nila sinunod ang batas sa pagbibigay ng serbisyo. Sa puntong to, merong may gusto at me mga ayaw naman. Bakit kailangan ipagkait ang batas na to sa mga me gusto dahil lang sa rason na me mga ayaw din? Bakit hindi ilagay ang batas at hayaang gamitin ng mga me gusto at wala namang pagpipilit na gamitin sa mga hindi gustong magpatulong?

  • No Mind

    Here’s the list of religious chilling factors: blood, cow, pigs and condoms! Most fearsome is the last.

    • joshmale2004

      Let Religion stay within the bounds of religion. Let the State stay within the confines of running the system. This way, boundary lines are defined.

      • No Mind

        sana nga ganun. kakalungkot isipin, parang atonism ang nangyayari sa pinas.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      i fear damasos the most. they destroy a hell lot of future among filipinos. 

  • Mitchel

    THOU SHALT NOT KILL! THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY!  A voice is crying out in the wilderness amidst powerful wolves.  Wake up you Filipino leaders! There is more to life than SEX.  You did not stop the media and other forces in promoting sensual or carnal experiences, but you never care for the promotion of spiritual experiences such as peace and joy to build the character of the youth which could prevent our enslavement to unrestrained SEX that leads to abortion.   

    • joshmale2004

      Proliferation of pornographic materials, adult websites in the internet, proliferation of TV programs about pre marital sex, adultery, bigamy, proliferation of drugs. These are the major factors promoting ADULTERY, young sex activities, drug related crimes. Instead of Barking at the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit ko sa taas.

      • boypalaban

         kaibigan…ayon ako sa mga sinabi mo bandang taas…at sa bandang baba simula sa salitang “bakit”…

      • joshmale2004

        Maraming salamat pa rin pre. Good luck na lang sa atin kung anong mangyayari sa botohan.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      where have you been all your life. people in the philippines have been killing, commiting adultery, aborting fetuses left and right. did spirituality amongst filipinos able to help? we can make a lot changes for the better through RH BILL.  YOU and other religiots should wake up.

      • boypalaban

        “we can make a lot changes for the better through RH BILL.”

        ayos ang galing ng solusyon mo…baka may extrang condom ka pa diyan..

    • browndarwinian

      You seem to imply you think you’re a good person coz u have Christian values. What values? The ten commandments. Like the ones u write in all caps, some of these are sensible values to live your life by. But you know what’s sh!t about these ‘commandments’?

      The fact that you had to have them written down. The fact you couldn’t figure out yourself internally NOT to k!ll people. Do u really expect that people back then were told “Hey, killing people – NOT allowed” and the people replied “Really? Oh no. We were under the impression murder (also theft and perjury) was ok before.”

      It’s an insult to human dignity to believe such fairy tale. It’s time to leave this childishness behind.

    • brunogiordano

      “There is more to life than SEX.”

      Kung ‘yan ang paniwala at experience mo, naawa kami sa iyo.

      Tila may sex dysfunction ka at dapat patingin sa doctor.

      Kalahati ng buhay mo ang nawawala sa iyo.

      • boypalaban

          aminin mo na… yan naman talaga ang focus ng RH Bill…ang pagkontrol sa sex…sa bunga ng sex…safe sex…satisfying sex…

        kumbaga…nasa tabi lang naman ang maternal health, etc….

  • Che Court

    in fact, they even provide education to many of our citizens… that is why think!

    • brunogiordano

      “There is more to life than SEX.”

      Kung ‘yan ang paniwala at experience mo, naawa kami sa iyo.

      Tila may sex dysfunction ka at dapat patingin sa doctor.

      Kalahati ng buhay mo ang nawawala sa iyo.

      • boypalaban

        di ba yan naman talaga ang focus ng RH Bill…ang pagkontrol sa sex…sa bunga ng sex…safe sex…satisfying sex…

        kumbaga…nasa tabi lang naman ang maternal health, etc….

  • mangtom

    I am gleeful beyond belief that the RH bill will finally be voted on Wednesday. Bad news for the anti-RH bill sector. Looks like the pro-RH bill will get the nod.

    Personally, whether heads or tails, meaning approved or not, I do not care anymore. Let us just have it out of the way. If the antis win, so be it. If it is the other way around, ditto. 

    It just makes me glad that the protracted delays caused by the pro-church legislators is coming to an end. 

    Can hardly wait for Wednesday.

  • AgapitoBagumbayan

    These congressmen led by Arroyo doesn’t care sh*t about nothing. They know very well that the passing of RH bill will be an enormous achievement by Pnoy’s administration that potentially will have a great impact in our economy in the future. It’s obviously a hard slap on the face of Arroyo and her minions.

    • abner

      sabihin mo ke pnoy bakit si gma lang ang gusto nia na ipakulong eh ung si erap nung oath of office nia nasaan….dibaga nasa harapan….pag si erap pala ok lang sa kanya kahit magnanakaw…..eh mandarambong un eh sabi ng sandigang bayan….bakit si gma ayaw nia na makilong sa bilibid???   o iniiwasan nya mapunta sa bilibid kung siya naman ang makasuhan…..gusto yata nia siya lang ang batas….patigilin mo na rin sia manigarilyo sa public place…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Pnoy should exert efforts to have this bill passed. Otherwise, failure to pass means victory for GMA and the church.

    • bundee

       eh di pala mahihirap at progreso ang pinaglalaban kundi politics laban GMA at simbahan? manigas ka kaya?

  • bundee

    Libog lang naman pinag lalaban ng mga pro-RH (safe and pleasurable daw). Pero gusto pa nila libre condom nila. Kunyari para daw sa mahirap. Utuin nyo lolo nyo!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      malibog ka rin, ayaw mo lang aminin hahah!

      • bundee

         oo, pero di ko kailangan ang free condoms, kayo?  Kasi liit tt nyo kaya kailangan nyo ng condom para lumaki, eh bakit gusto nyo pa libre?

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        Minsan magugulat ka talaga sa kat*ngahan ng mga tao dito… No wonder they have a twisted arguments when it comes to RH bill. Kailan pa naging pampalaki ng ari ang condom?

      • bundee

         Bibigyan kita libre para mapatunayan mo?  hehehe  yan naman ang habol nyo di ba?

      • bundee

        Ito pa isa pang twisted arguments galing sa katangahan para masaya ka:  P-noy Progress Theory:  Problem – Poverty / Answer -  Free Condoms,  
        Problem – Unemployment / Answer – Free Condoms,   Problem – HIV / Answer
        – Free Condoms, Problem -  Corruption / Answer – Free condoms, Problem -
        Abno Economy / Answer – Free Condoms  . . .  Go Abnoy Progress! Go RH Way!

      • boypalaban

        kailan pa naging mas masarap ang condom kesa sa pagkain ng tunay na pagkain?

      • Ganymede

        Hindi talaga kayang makipag argumento ng may sense ang karamihan sa mga Anti-RH dahil alam nilang matatalo sila.. kaya dinadaan nalang sa ganitong walang kakwenta-kwentang pinagsasabi.

  • brunogiordano

    Wednesday is D-Day for RH bill

    GOOD para sa lahat.

    SPORTS lang walang IYAKAN.

    OK ba kayo!!!!!

  • bundee

    Apo: Lolo, ano ibig sabihin ng “pleasurable?”   /  Lolo:  Ay, eh di “Libog.”   /  Apo: ano naman yong “safe” na sabi nila?  /  Lolo:  Ah, libreng condom yon!  Hintay ko nga yong RH Law para makalibre ako!   ( Free Condoms ang pinag lalaban hahahaha pati si lolo)

  • tarikan

    Give the RH Bill (Law) a chance. If after a certain period this law becomes a liability, why, the congress has all the power to repel it. I think the law accords the greater number of the populace to avail of reproductive health services otherwise only available in the private sector (therefore not for free). There is a universal choice. It is not that the government will force everyone into artificial contraceptives at the point of a gun. Some of the fears of the anti-RH Bill are unfounded and exaggerated. 

    • jenny lim

      All the assumptions of Pro RH are simply assumptions.

  • jenny lim

     Pro RH:  Bakit kaya pag tinalakay ang RH Bill ay biglang bumagyo at may kalamidad.

    Anti RH:  Simple lang yan bro., pinakita lang sa’tin ng kalikasan kung anu ang totoong problema na dapat solusyonan.

    Pro RH:  Ah, tama, dapat di na magkaanak yung mga nanirahan dun para wala nang babagyohin.

    Anti RH:  Hindi po. Dapat yung bilyones dun mapunta sa kanilang hanapbuhay, agrikultura at edukasyon.

    Pro RH:  Yes, pro edukasyon ang RH, tuturuan sila paano magsuot ng condom para walang HIV.

    Anti RH: Hindi po. Dapat tutulungan at suportahan sila to be hard working and live with dignity.

    Pro RH: Yes po, the government will assure them “a safe and pleasurable sex”.

    Hehehe ganito ang argument ng RH Bill. Pro poor nga!

    • Rigoberto_Tigdas

      Doesn’t make any sense. Timba and Tabo could have done a better job.

      The way I see it, it’s a shallow argument created by a certified Anti-RH. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

        Dang! i didn’t even see any valid argument..

      • jenny lim

         Maybe you have no enough mind to see…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

        i just have my own standard for a ‘valid argument’, and i’m sorry i see nothing in your post.

      • jenny lim

        Well, that’s the usual attitude of an apathetic certified Pro-RH.

  • bundee

    Pass the RH Bill, Please!  Atat na ako sa libreng condoms!

    • boypalaban

       bilyon bilyong pondo para sa condom at kurakot….

    • EdnaSwank

      Tapos gawin na rin nilang essential medicine ang viagra, cialis at iba pang sex enhancement drugs para ma-ensure nga gobyerno nga makaka-experience ng safe, satisfying and pleasurable sex ang mga mahihirap!

  • kilabot

    duel. 
    the final confrontation is set. who’s left standing when the smoke goes down will be known; 
    which solution the congs would choose to the question about poverty? 
     1) give free artificial birth control contraceptives (aka 17B rh bill) to control population growth;  
    2) use of natural birth control techniques (aka hit-n-run) to control population growth;  
    3) encourage people to practice a life of celibacy (aka monsignor-fast) to control population growth;  
    4) practice lgbt lifestyle (aka analysex): 25% increase in hiv/aids cases, negative pop growth;  
    5) perpetual implementation of the cct (aka eternal-beggar) program;  
    6) train the poor acquire skills and livelihood (aka sow-n-reap) using rh + cct budget (>17B total); 

    the rhbill is like pro-rh congs, scared to show their real intentions; 

    No to rhbill; 
    No to same-sex marriage; 
    No to man-beast union.

    • joshmale2004

      Proliferation of pornographic materials, adult websites in the internet, proliferation of TV programs about pre marital sex, adultery, bigamy, proliferation of drugs. These are the major factors promoting ADULTERY, young sex activities, drug related crimes. Instead of Barking at the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit ko sa taas. YES TO RH BILL!!!!!

  • tukmoldinako

    tingnan ang kabataan ngayon, mostly irresponsible of their acts kaya maraming unwanted pregnancies sa mga kababaihan,  pag nanalo ang RH Bill, sigurado ko lalo pang dadami ito kasi pwede namang ipalaglag diba, matutuwa ang mga manyak, kaya kayong mga pro- RH bill maiisip  moyan balang araw pag kapatid  anak mo ang may problema.

    Family control, responsible parenthood yang mga yan dapat ang itinuturo sa schools, hindi yang libreng condom , walang gagamit nyan sa kabataan, lalo na sa mga manyak. 

    • joshmale2004

      Proliferation of pornographic materials, adult websites in the internet, proliferation of TV programs about pre marital sex, adultery, bigamy, proliferation of drugs. These are the major factors promoting ADULTERY, young sex activities, drug related crimes. Instead of Barking at the RH Bill, bakit di palakasin ang kampanya at patawan ng mas mabigat na parusa ang mga binanggit ko sa taas. YES TO RH BILL!!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Lol… No Other Woman, Secret Affair, Rigodon… wahahaha… and people argue that Filipinos value love and family.

      • joshmale2004

        Pare, tingnan mo ang mga palabas ngayon sa lahat ng local TV channels. Laging ang tema eh about “The Other Woman, single mothers, bigamy, secret love affairs.” Malakas kasi ang hatak sa audience. Pero ang hindi alam ng nakakarami, parang normal na to at acceptable sa society natin kaya maraming gumagaya. Eto dapat ang higpitan ng mga review boards natin.

      • abner

        kaya naman mas lalo mo pang ipapalaganap ang sex thru rhb sa pagpromote nila sa condom….dahil safe naman may condom ok lang….sana ung kapatid mong babae hindi makikipag sex dahil wala lang…or ayos lang sa inyo yun..?.

      • joshmale2004

        Pathetic. Kindly use your brain and common sense before you comment on other people’s views.

      • tukmoldinako

        agree to your above, RH can always be passed but without the budget where tax payers to buy a condom for others to use, iappropriate nalang nila sa poorer familie subsidy lets say those who will advocate a 1 to 2 children. Still no to RH and i will extend my congratulation to you and mangtom if RH win.

         After all, who ever win what we can do is abide and we cannot protest later on but wait if such a bill will alleviate poverty in the country, if truly can control the population? 

        What we only hope for the Pilipino people not to loose morality among the teens.
        TY

      • joshmale2004

        Actually, if you read my other views, that’s one of my point. I am advocating RH Bill not for me, the well to do families and the rich families.   I can afford to pay consultation to private doctors so I won’t be lining up to  these LGUs authorized under the RH Bill. I am advocating my support to RH Bill for the poorest families in our society who after being educated by LGUs are willing to undergo the program and use it responsibly. these poorest of the poor can’t even pay taxes but why would I not share the tax I pay for them? I don’t mind using the tax I am paying for these segment of our society instead of going to the pocket of corrupt government officials.

      • abner

        eh mas matindi nga gagawin pag nasa ibatas na yan eh..mismo na ang gobyerno na magpopromote ng sex……sasabihin lan na safe….pero ang result inilalaman lang sa utak ng mga tao na masarap ang sex kaya sa halip na di nag iisip gaano ng sex pag gobyerno na nagpromote ayon takbo agad at maghahanap ng ka sex.

      • joshmale2004

        Pathetic. Kindly use your brain and common sense before you butt into other people’s views.

      • abner

        pagpinoromote ng gobyerno ang condom…magigigng ang dating nun sa kabataan eh pwedeng pwede makipag sex…ganun un….parang binigyan mo ng lisenya makipagsex….tinolorate ba…

    • Bobbie_mae

       The Philippines has one of the highest incidences of teenage pregnancies (unwanted). This is without the Philippines having the RH bill or proper sex education in our school system. It seems to me that there are other factors that influence the rate of teenage pregnancies , like maybe the number of  families without one parent present,or maybe the educational attainment of the parents, or the economic status of the family. At any rate its indicative of a major transformation taking place in the Filipino family. In my view therefore its faulty reasoning to jump to the conclusion that there will be more teenage pregnancies if the RH bill is passed. Its a complete non-sequitur.

      • tukmoldinako

        okay tanggap ko yung faulty reasoning on jumping to conclusion, of course there will be less to be in the news, kasi nga okay na ang abortion , meron pa bang bibilangin, lol

  • mangtom

    I throw this offer to the anti-RH sector: 

    If you win, I will extend a congratulatory hand to all of you including the CBCP

    If on the other hand, if we, pro-RH will win,  will you be sport enough to congratulate us, pro-RH?

    I throw this offer to bcorg, boywalanglaban(a.k.a. boypalaban), txtman, rizalmanalo, bundee, Paul Martinez, joshmale2004, EdnaSwank, 7-mgawalanghiyakayo, Che Court, etc., etc.

    I want just a simple answer: yes or no. 

    • justjarred

       fanatic ang mga anti rh/pro CBCP. Hindi sasagot ng simpleng yes or no yan. name calling ang mga tirada nila.

      • joshmale2004

        Lol. Taka nga ko pre bakit sinama name ko ni mangtom sa hanay ng mga ANTI. Di ata niya binabasa mga comments ko> (Kamot ulo)

      • boypalaban

        kaya pala puro alam nyo lang damaso, cbcp,vatican,pedopilya,…wala ka…kain ka muna ng condom…

      • boypalaban

         hoy panatiko…may nalalaman ka pang name-calling…di mo ba nabasa ang sinulat ni mangtomboy na boywalanglaban? soplak ka…kabobohan yan dahil sa kakakain mo ng condom…umayos ka…

    • joshmale2004

      mangtom, I just want to ask you straightforward. Why are you offering this to me ( I saw my name in your 4th paragraph). Are you considering me an ANTI RH?

    • joshmale2004

      Where are you mangtom? Are you sure, you are offering the challenge to me?

    • joshmale2004

      Kindly edit your comment and remove my name from the list of ANTI. I resent this.

    • boypalaban

      mangtomboy:

      congratulate lang pala e…SIGE YES….

      eto naman ang hamon ko para sa yo: kapag naaprubahan yan, masigasig ka bang mamimigay ng mga condom sa mga palengke, schools, plaza, labas ng simbahan, malls…at lalong lalo na sa mga skwater yung halos buto’t-balat na dahil walang makain?

  • redredfox

    There is a problem when we keep on using the phrase “Responsible Parenthood”.  I believe that constant use of this phrase conditions the mind to limiting the responsibility of raising children to the parents.  I think we should instead adopt as a guiding principle the Aftrican proverb that says “It takes a village to raise a child”.  If we use this a a guiding principle, then it follows that the whole of society is responsible for the raising of its future generation.  It follows that it is the responsibility of the leaders of society, the government, to provide each and every parent the wherewithal to raise a family with human dignity by giving each and every parent equal access to its resources.  

    We should realize that our most precious resource is our human resource.  It makes more sense to channel all energies and financial resources for the development of our human resource than to  use the financial resource to limit the growth of this resource.

    KILL THE RH BILL!   KILL THE RH BILL!  KILL THE RH BILL!

  • bundee

    P-noy Progress Theory:  Problem – Poverty / Answer -  Free Condoms,   Problem – Unemployment / Answer – Free Condoms,   Problem – HIV / Answer – Free Condoms, Problem -  Corruption / Answer – Free condoms, Problem – Abno Economy / Answer – Free Condoms  . . .  Go Abnoy Progress! Go RH Way!

    • abner

       mahirap talaga magkapresidente ng abno..

  • josephine82

    Most likely than not, the satanic RH Bill will be voted favorably on wednesday simply because this world is practically the realm of satan and for all we know, satan’s hands are the main proponents of his bill that he pounded into their minds.

    Howsomever, but vengeance is mine says the Lord so these proponents shall bear in mind that their actions shall anger the very immortal being who created them.

  • Rigoberto_Tigdas

  • NYPinoy

    OA masyado si Rufus.  He wanted Congress to vote on the RH Bill on the feast day of Their Lady of Guadalupe.  Kung ako yung lady na yan, sampalin ko si Rufus kaliwa’t kanan.  What if the Bill will pass into law?  E di mapahiya si Lady.  Ma-expose na wala pala siyang power.  At yan ay dahil sa drama ni Rufus.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    “Laging nasa huli ang pagsisisi.”
    This Filipino adage applies more than ever to the “feeling victorious” contraception-minded bunch.
    On Wednesday, if the RH bill will get the majority vote in the House, it shall be the birth of the Culture of Death in our beloved country, the Philippines, as expressed by the late John Paul II that has been threatening the whole world since the campaign for contraception was inserted into moral issues of responsible parenthood and family planning.

    Back in the eighties, the discussion in other countries’ legislature councils were restricted to the special laws on allowing “legal abortion” in cases where the life of the mother was at risk or when the unborn has been examined to have incurable defects after birth.

    However, the crawling evil designs of the huge pharmaceutical manufacturers made sure that lawmakers were made to believe that overpopulation was the factor that caused downturn in the economy. The argument was then based on unverifiable “studies” purportedly on countries suffering from hunger, disease and poverty and that the scare that the uninfected country would have the same fate was propagated. 

    But, after a few years, these exaggerated economic theories about overpopulation and hunger/poverty is caused by big family size were shot down by real facts and figures from no less than the United Nations organizations dealing with food production and food distribution. Overpopulation is a myth. Hunger, disease, and poverty are caused by government neglect, displacement of small communities due to protracted pocket wars, greed from Big Business to manipulate the market and supply (to justify higher prices), and corruption from government officials mismanaging the national treasury.

    The RH bill to be voted upon in Congress wasted so much time in strategies employed to gain control of the right to speak and be heard. What was never discussed was this – Can the RH bill ensure a reduction to hunger and poverty? In other words, with a massive distribution for condoms, pills, urging men to have vasectomy and women to have tubal ligation, and disseminating safe sex as a topic from Grade 5 to Grade 12, will an impoverished family have a better life? How long does the country have to wait before an aftermath truthful survey will show that the beneficiaries of the contraceptive contraptions have attained better economic standing?

    Now, the legislators mandated to speak for in behalf of the people have only to use their conscience…that is, if they will really examine theirs and ask themselves honestly – Am I going to vote for the RH bill because I believe contraception will improve the economic way of life of the average Filipino family?

    Regret comes later when our country has not achieved the said goals as propounded by the RH bill proponents and the national budget will be depleted even before it can raise enough revenues. Regret comes later when families start to break up and a moral decay pervades in our society. Regret comes later when voters reelected those who caused all these troubles in our country.

    • tukmoldinako

      i agree to what you speak

    • Rigoberto_Tigdas

      Overpopulation is not a myth.. it is real and it is happening as we speak. May population explosion na nga e. How hard is it to understand that we don’t have an infinite source of food and resources? Time has changed. It’s different now.. we don’t live in the 1900′s anymore. No matter how hard our Government works, and no matter how efficient we can be, there is just no way can our economy deals with our exponentially growing population. Not now. Sustainability is the new name of game.
       
      You made it sound that we, Pro-RH bill, are claiming that it is the answer to all our suffering. And that’s misleading. No! We are not making that claim. Instead, we are saying that RH bill, it enacted into law, is an important ingredient towards progress. Without a sound population policy, any attempt for a better quality of life, no matter how good, will be futile.

      • boypalaban

        bilib na bilib ka sa gobyerno ng mga magnanakaw…kiss ka sa mga amo mong si Gloriaswang at Abnoynoying…

        mga salot na tigdas ang dapat mawala para umunlad ang pilipinas…

      • bundee

         Over-population is only in the major cities esp MM,  look around in the provinces.  Your main argument is that population control brings about progress?  But the RH proponents deny that pop-con is the aim, rather Reproductive Health which is deceiving. My counter-argument:  One factor in economic growth is “productivity.”  Less worker, less production (not more) assuming that the system is conducive and supportive to economic growth.  RH is illogical: less worker, more productivity. What happened is simply more share for the rich when there is less division from the PHL economic pie.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Check this website “overpopulationisamyth” dot com.
        Please read official United Nations website about food production and food distribution per continent, per country- latest data 2011, I think,
        Please read the official message of UN Secretary General on the occasion of the 7 Billion Population milestone of the world last Octobe 2011.

        These information are not mine and they are untainted reports, genuinely honest.
        We have overcrowding in human settlements not overpopulation. Go to your grandparents’ hometown, hopefully not in an urban center. You will be surprised that the population is not growing fast as you thought it was. Many of them have migrated to the urban cities and left their barrios or towns.

        Which is more urgent for you – contraception or an access to earn an income?
        Which do you think will have a higher chance of success that an average Filipino family’s economic lot will improve faster?

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        If we are smart enough, we don’t just believe what we read and see, especially on the net. You should know better. What made you say that those are untainted reports and genuinely honest? What do you know about those people and their motives behind these articles? How do we verify that these are not bias and not funded by a few big corporations and companies who benefits on a larger population base?
         
        What constitutes over population, or under population for that matter? Hindi dahil mas kokonti ang tao sa country side, ay wala nang over population. In the same manner na sobrang dami na nang tao sa city, ay over populated na. But you see, numbers do not lie. We cannot deny the fact that we are multiplying at an alarming rate. And in the next 20 years or so, if we do not change our ways, things can get out of hand.

      • bundee

         Support your argument with facts. What is over-population?  The problem is lack of productivity and equal opportunity. Anti-RH is not against responsible Parenthood but not in a promiscuous “safe and pleasurable” mentality.

      • abner

         eh pinalabo mo naman pala ang point mo eh…hindi pala naman talaga yan ang solustion sa economiya…..eh di wag na yan pagaksayahan ng bilyong bilyong pondo para sa condom….

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        Iho, ang sabi ko ang batas na RH ay ’important ingredient towards progress’. sa tagalog “mahalagang rekado tungo sa pag-unlad”.

        Hindi malabo ang punto ko, yung pag-iisip mo ang may pagkukulang.

      • abner

        alam mo tigdas,… iba iba ang dating kung populasyon ang target ng batas na ito eh…hindi mo pwedeng sabhihin n porke marami tayo ay kawalan na sapagkat sa dami natin, marami ang nag aabroad, eh sa mga nag abroad ang katumbas ng 1 kontra sa konti nga ang populasyon pero konti naman makapunta ng ibang bansa para makatulong sa pamilya ay napakalaki…..kayang bumuo ng sampung pamilya na may kalidad ang buhay kung professional ka sa abroad……ngaun kung andito ka lang naman konti nga kayo katiting din lang naman ino offer ng gobyerno na sahod eh di hindi rin aasenso ang buhay…dito kase sa amin…napakalaki ng pagbabago ng mga nakapag abroad….kaya di pwede sabihin na kapag komunti tayo eh kabawasan sa economiya natin  ang pagdami…. na iyon ang pagdami din ng OFW…na kayang tumbasan ang dumaraming mahihirap dito sa pilipinas…bilyon bilyon nga ang reserve wala nga lang makagawa kung paanu ito gagamitin ng hindi naman ang mayayaman lang ang yumayaman…

    • NYPinoy

       Masyadong mahina ang loob mo, kapatid.  Di ka ba naniniwala na si Jesus at ang kanyang nanay na si Maria ay ayaw ang RH?  Bakit ka natakot na matalo kayo?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Akala mo lang,  kapatid.
        Di po ako sumusuko..inihahayag ko lamang ang katotohanan na hindi naman tayong mga mamamayan ang bumuboto sa mga panukala na nagiging batas.
        Ang mga inihalal na kumakatawan sa atin ang bumuboto.
        Kaya nga, sa tindi ng propaganda at alok ng pork barrel na gagamitin sa susunod na eleksyon, mahihikayat ang mga pulitiko na pumanig sa kagustuhan ng may kapanyarihan at hindi sa kagustuhan ng mamamayan.
        Hindi natin batid ang kalooban ng Diyos.
        Wag nga sanang subukan ang Panginoon at baka tayo ay maparusahan ng ating sariling kadustaan na sumuway sa mga itinuturo sa atin ang modelo ng pamilya na buo ang pag-ibig sa isa’t isa at handang mag-alay ng sarili para sa iba.
        Subalit, ang RH ay makasarili..iyan ang ikalulubog ng iba na nagpupumilit na isantabi ang Salita ng Diyos.

  • joshmale2004

    The RH Bill is not a license that once become a law will have to be applied to all citizenry by force. Even if the RH Bill is in place, the freedom of choice whether each and every family will avail or not. In terms of Morals, are you not aware that the privilege being offered by this RH Bill is already existing and is being done and practiced by Private Doctors and Private Hospitals. The only difference is that this private doctors and hospitals do not give these services for free and only well to do people and rich families can avail since they have the means to pay the high price of these doctors and hospitals.Does this mean that these doctors, hospitals and their patients are immoral? Sa madaling salita, may gustong ibigay na serbisyo ang gobyerno lalo na sa mga mahihirap na di kayang magbayad sa mga doctor at hospital sa pangangailangan nila. Gusto lang mangyari ng gobyerno eh isabatas para maging maayos at mailagay sa tamang aspeto ang pagbibigay ng serbisyo. At para masiguro nilang lahat ay mabibigyan ng parehas na serbisyo ay may karampatang parusa sa mga Government entities at LGUs kapag di nila sinunod ang batas sa pagbibigay ng serbisyo. Sa puntong to, merong may gusto at me mga ayaw naman. Bakit kailangan ipagkait ang batas na to sa mga me gusto dahil lang sa rason na me mga ayaw din? Bakit hindi ilagay ang batas at hayaang gamitin ng mga me gusto at wala namang pagpipilit na gamitin sa mga hindi gustong magpatulong? I VOTE YES TO RH BILL.

    • bundee

       Ok, sige, isabatas natin ang RH pero alisin natin ang budget para di libre ang kalibogan ng mga pinoy, payag ka?

      • joshmale2004

        Sorry. It’s not for me nor you who decides on that. Let Congress decide on that please.

      • bundee

        Ayaw nila dahil mawalan ng “tong,”  nuff said! You trust your politicians in terms of big money?

      • joshmale2004

        Kung wala kang tiwala sa Congressman mo, ikaw na lang ang tumakbo sa eleksyon.

      • bundee

         Sabay tayo  :D

    • abner

       ……”at wala namang pagpipilit na gamitin sa mga hindi gustong magpatulong”..tapos magagamit ang tax ng ayaw magpatulong…unfair kase ayaw mo na nga ikaw pa magbabayad….at take note..gagastusin lang sa kalibogan…hayz….

      • joshmale2004

        Kung kaya mo palang magbayad ng tax eh bakit ka pa magpapatulong sa LGU. Bumili ka ng condom mo at hayaan mong yung tax mo eh maibahagi sa mga mahihirap at gustong matulungan kesa naman mapunta sa bulsa ng Congressman mong corrupt.

      • abner

         isang malaking source at chance ng corruption yan…… me budget pero wala namang magtatanung kung nasaan na ang bilyong bilyon pera para sa condom nila….tsk tsk palalakihin mo lang ang tiyan ng congressman mong buaya dyan…

  • Albert Einstien

    FOREIGN INTEREST & local TRAITORS sa Pilipinasang me PAKANA nyang RH bill na yan….

    ·“ RISE my Philippines RISE “

    EVERY Filipino Family will be MULTI-millionaires by 2050( both muslim & christian brothers )

    your grandsons & granddaughters will be masters of the world

    NO Filipino will suffer SLAVERY in foreign land..

    PROTECT these resources with utmost PATRIOTISM…

    Why are we always in poverty & war?

    Why they dont want the archipelago to be UNITED?

    Why are we targeted for Population & de-population control ?

    Why is the Philippines targeted for brain-drain & intellectuals are pirated abroad?

    Why are we NOT allowed to have a POWERFUL ARMed FORCES ?

    Why are we having lunatic leaders & family of traitors as our champions & leaders?

    ANSWER : Foreign Interest/s manipulated us because PHILIPPINES is the RICHEST country in the WORLD!

    “ Literally philippines is a PARADISE in a land of GOLD blessed by GOD ( Gold,gas Oil & Deuterium ).. “

    we the most evolved & intelligent human specie are walking literally in a land of gold

    ISLAND PARADISE

    An archipelago comprising 7,107 islands, the Philippines is categorized broadly into three main geographical divisions: Luzon, Visayas, & Mindanao. In addition the BENHAM Rise.. 250 km wide new territory. The Philippines’ rainforests and its extensive coastlines make it home to a diverse range of birds, plants, animals, and sea creatures. It is one of the ten most biologically megadiverse countires and is at or near the top in terms of biodiversity per unit area. Our beautiful islands are the envy of the world we are surrounded by soft white & pearly black beaches. Most of the mountainous islands are covered in tropical rainforest and volcanic in origin. The Apo Reef is the country’s largest contiguous coral reef system and the second-largest in the world. The Philippines has a tropical maritime climate and is usually hot and humid. There are three seasons: the hot dry season or summer the rainy season ; and the cool dry season . The perfect climate system in the Philippines makes its air and atmosphere free from man made pollution after the system of storms cleansed the territory during rainy season & disinfecting the land by exposure to the sun’s ultra-violet rays in hot dry season. This is the best country in world to live in if the insurgency problem caused by poverty is solved by the tapping of the nation’s resource thereby freeing the people from poverty.. Located within the Pacific Rim of Fire, the Philippine archipelago is hypothesized as having been formed 43 million years ago. Its 7,109 islands rest on top of underwater mountains formed by the outpourings of molten rocks from the earth’s interior, thus creating an ideal setting for mineral deposition. (After Wolfe, J.A., “Origin of the Philippines by Accumulation of Allochthons” in The Philippine Geologist July- September 1983 Issue, p.17) In the archipelago, resurgent volcanoes particularly provided access for rising gold-bearing solutions which cool to the geotherm of 300 degrees Celsius at about 400 m depth. At this point, the gold began to precipitate and epithermal gold deposits were formed over geologic time of 1.5 million years from the present time. (After Wolfe, J. A., in International Mineral Development Sourcebook, 1993)

    HUMAN resource…

    we are the ONLY Country in the world ..who speaks 175 languages & dialects with literacy rate of 93.4% . Most speak fluent & write foreign languge like english , spanish,nihongo,arabic, mandarin,hindi, & malay than country of origin..some elderly can still speak latin…Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2 dialects..while the rest of the world can speak only english & their native tounge…the people are educated, fun loving, resilient, hospitable & industrious… in fact , currently the economy is heavily reliant on remittances which surpass foreign direct investment as a source of foreign currency. Therefore the more population more benefit for the economy. The Philippines need a HUGE population & Army if it intends to tap the resources otherwise foreign invasion can easily land on its shores & control can be had without a sweat.…as of now we are ALREADY NO.1 as BPO in the world, & our OFWS are loved by their employers..BPo is contributing $12 billion & OFWs are contributing $21 billion a year..that is why we have a FC reserve of $82 billion ang its GROWING HANDSOMELY…without them (OFW & BPO)….our ECONOMY should have collapsed already..our .POPULATION is the BACKBONE of the economy NOT the NOYNOYING & CREDIT GRABBING govt…When we begin to tap our resources we will recall ALL our OFWs & those who migrated to HELP build the country as the wealthest & strongest nation on earth…we need huge population to attain this dream & endeavor

    .MINERAL resource…..

    Initial Lode and placer GOLD DEPOSITS occur in most of the 73 out of 83 provinces in the Philippines.The ten provinces were not properly tested yet due to internal conflicts & war. The 1996 $2.1TRILLION value resource estimate based on conservative 10% ( $21 trillion total estimate ) maybe deficient and could double to $42 trillion or more of the actual resource.. . … such amount could catapult this country to first world status .. we could even buy americas $16 Trillion debt..Also, we have .$26.3-Trillion Oil Reserves ..Country’s Untapped Deposits Mostly In Spratlys Philippines News Agency April 25, 2012, MANILA, Philippines- The Philippines is “sitting on a mountain of gold,” with untapped hydrocarbon deposits estimated at $26.3 trillion, mostly found in the disputed Spratly chain of islands, more than enough to free the country from the shackles of poverty.Also if we are able to claim SABAH… It has the potential to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day,” “The estimated reserves from the present Sabah oilfields is 1.4 billion barrels of oil and 7.7 trillion scf of gas.” …Malaysia govt does not even give our sabahan brothers share of their on wealth ONLY PETRONAS ( govt corp ) which give sabah a PITIFUL royalty of 5%…That amount is even without considering the UNQUANTIFIABLE value today (maybe thousands of $ trillion ) of the resources that can be found in our new territory called the BENHAM rise a 250km wide domain which is perceived to contain very huge oil & gas deposits & the envy of world for we are the proud owner of the vast DEUTERIUM deposits with a 868 mile long find in Philippine trench. With these resources properly tapped we are bigger than america & arabia combined.. : .yet many potential mineral & natural reserves are still HIDDEN n our archpelago…

    BENHAM RISE new Philippine territory 250 km wide –GMA LEGACY

    Despite its proximity to the archipelago, the plateau was previously not included in the territory of the Philippine Islands. On 8 April 2009 ( GMA govt. filed the claim to UN now we owned it.. eventually our history & after the political vendettas ….legislature might rename the benham rise to GMA rise to give honor to its finder/claimant .. ), the Republic of the Philippines lodged a partial territorial waters claim with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in relation to the continental shelf in the region of Benham Rise. The UN has officially approved the claim in April 2012. The Philippines may soon be able to provide its own energy through Benham Rise, an underwater ridge to the east of Luzon which is believed to have mineral and gas deposits. The Philippines claim over Benham Rise is “very relevant” because scientific surveys indicate minerals and natural gas in the area. Solidified methane was found during mapping activities and the “probability is very high” there are oil deposits. There may be more natural gas than oil, and is considered better because it is cleaner. Benham Rise, which is bigger than Luzon, Samar, and Leyte combined, is being claimed solely by the Philippines

    GREATEST of them ALL- “ DEUTERIUM the Gift of Nature “- MARCOS LEGACY

    In ADDITION to the LEGACY of marcos like malampaya & other gas & oil fields…DEUTEIUM marcos legacy is the BEST …“ the Philippines trench has the LARGEST DEPOSIT of deuterium with 868 mile long 52 mile wide “If we allow production even for just a portion of this natural deposit… the Philippines will already become a first world country.. what more if we produce a quarter of it… Deuterium has several commercial and scientific uses today. It has become much more than the heavy water many countries sought after during World War II.Deuterium, a form of concentrated hydrogen, is used in the production of natural gas now utilized in Canada, America, Germany and Sweden, to provide fuel for cars, trucks , jet planes, & deuterium fuel for fusion reactors.”Deuterium can replace gasoline, (liquefied petroleum gas), (liquefied natural gas), Avgas, etc. in powering all types of internal combustion engines including maybe SPACE ships of the future & can be use in space explorations…. It does not emit pollutants or any harmful carbon monoxide and does not cause any environmental problems because it is in the water family. We can build electric nuclear plants in the middle of the URBAN cities of the world ! we will power & feed the world at the same time.Just imagine the philippines at the forefront of human evolution, science , technology & space exploration

    The GOOD news is we have UNLIMITED deposit of it…it is self replenishing..!

    WE NEED HUGE POPULATION to DEFEND & PROTECT these resources.. this is not a sotto or church argument…

    this is for LOVE of COUNTRY….NO to RH Bill..!!!

    • Guest

       ”we are the ONLY Country in the world ..who speaks 175 languages &
      dialects with literacy rate of 93.4% . Most speak fluent & write
      foreign languge like english , spanish,nihongo,arabic, mandarin,hindi,
      & malay than country of origin..some elderly can still speak
      latin…Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2
      dialects”

      And this is the only country, which is not able to exploit those chances.

      • Albert Einstien

        yes…so sad my friend….

    • abner

       dahil dyan sa sinabi mo eh lalo ng magiging greedy ang china…lalo tayong gigirahin..hehehe joke.

      • Albert Einstien

        ALAM na po nila kaya SINUSUHULAN nl mga palpak na liders natin….lol

    • walangbolahan

      “Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2 dialects.” 
      can you cite the source for this information, or is this merely conjecture or an outright lie?
      and btw, this is another boring rave you have here.

      also, i noticed that you are doing a tito sotto with much of your information. make sure you cite your references and not pass them off as your own.

  • mangtom

    redredfox: sobra ang pagkared mo. 

    Pass the RH bill.

  • mangtom

    josmale2004- I sincerely apologize for the error. I hope you will forgive me. I deeply regret. 

    • joshmale2004

      NP. I accept. I just needed to call your attention as we are on the same side.Just stay alert and keep defending what we believe in.

  • mangtom

    Joshmale2004: I trust that you can forgive my error because you are a levelheaded person. I was just carried away and misread one of your postings. We are on the same side of the fence.
    I hope I did not make any other mistake with the list I posted. If I did, you have my sincere apologies.

  • Guest

    “Are we now saying that we will stop (poor couples) from having babies (just because they are poor)?” 

    As long as these “poor” are not asking to become tax payers’ burdens, no problem. But making babies and then not able to provide for themselves is makapal mukha and will not arouse any empathy.

  • veritatis_splendor

    The more they reject the good amendments, the more the disgusting intents of the bill are made plain to all.

    Openness to life, provided that… Paano naging openness yun e may condition pala. So kung ipinagbuntis ka nang mahirap, unwelcome ka? Iscrap na lang yan dahil nakakabobo lang at self-contradicting. And they are denying that this bill promotes abortion…

  • dorothyanne88

    REPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD..OMG, DOES THESE LEGISLATORS ACCEPT AND PURSUE THE THEORY THAT THEIR PARENTS WERE IRRESPONSIBLE SO THEY RE NOW INSCRIPTING SUCH PHRASE IN THE BILL..

    wHETHER RICH NOR POOR OUR PARENTS WERE RESPONSIBLE TO CARE AND PROTECT US FROM HARM AND NURTURED US WITH WORDS OF ENDEARMENT.NO PARENT EVEN THOSE NOTORIOUS WOULD WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO BE LIKE THEM EACH PARENT WANTED THEIR CHILDREN TO BE BETTER THAN THEM. SO WHY TODAY WE COME FACE TO FACE WITH LEARNED PEOPLE LIKE LAGMAN ET AL WHO INSINUATES THAT NUMEROUS PARENTS ARE IRRESPONSIBLE SO AS TO ENACT A BILL. IN RECENT TV PATROL ABS CBN, KABAYAN NOLI HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL FAMILIES WITH HUGE POPULATION BUT NARY DID  WE NOTE AND SEE A FAMILY THAT WAS POOR AND UNHAPPY ALL OF THEM WERE PLEASED WITH THEIR LIFE.  LAGMAN ET AL ARE TALKING INSENSIBLY USING METAPHORS WHICH ARE ILLUSIONS NOT FACTS THUS, THIS ONLY PROVES THE THEORY OF ONE SHARER THAT INDEED THE DEVIL HAD BEEN USING THEM AS A TOOL TO DEFY THE WORDS OF GOD

  • joshmale2004

    Actually, if you read my other views, that’s one of my point. I am advocating RH Bill not for me, the well to do families and the rich families.   I can afford to pay consultation to private doctors so I won’t be lining up to  these LGUs authorized under the RH Bill. I am advocating my support to RH Bill for the poorest families in our society who after being educated by LGUs are willing to undergo the program and use it responsibly. these poorest of the poor can’t even pay taxes but why would I not share the tax I pay for them? I don’t mind using the tax I am paying for these segment of our society instead of going to the pocket of corrupt government officials. So I am FULL YES TO THE RH BILL.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CXSAKSY3PCRQRSVZH4LOEO2RQ Marko

      Well said.

    • boypalaban

      ….but there is no assurance that the fund will be used for the poor…which may instead be used by corrupt government officials…

      • joshmale2004

        That will be the duty of the Ombudsman. That’s why our justice system is also being overhauled so our society will have hope of a fair justice system eventually.And further also, another election is coming, so it’s also about time all voters assess themselves if they still want to elect their corrupt representatives or vote for political dynasties.

      • angtangamo

         Just take it in good faith that the funds will be used for it’s intended purpose. I know you are more concerned about the funding for the RH becoming another vehicle for corruption and that is fair enough. Your concerns are valid but they belong in another argument :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        ^ assumption driven from fear and/or hate of the government.

        Start a thread on hating corruption and bring this argument there. We’re looking at the effects of the RH Bill, and not what people can do to it.

      • Bobbie_mae

         There is no assurance that the taxes I pay will be spent wisely and yet I pay my taxes. Do you pay your taxes even knowing that down the road some of that money will be stolen, or will be used for the pork barrel of senators and congressmen ? There is no assurance that some of  the funding for the RH bill will not find its way into pockets of gov’t bureaucrats/politicians but this is true for every single item that the gov’t spends for. Do we stop building schools , roads, bridges, etc. because of all the corruption that we know goes on ? No, we fight the corruption and we try to make sure that systems are in place so that the funds cannot be burgled. So that issue is really not valid  I think… because if we raised that issue for everything that the gov’t spent for then really our gov’t should not be spending a single centavo on anything….

      • boypalaban

        why don’t we honor the NBN ZTE deal, NorthRailway project, etc..?

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        Boy naman… may masabi ka lang, kahit paltos.

      • boypalaban

         di mo lang kaya sagutin…
        pro RH na ako kapag nasagot mo nang maayos sinulat ko…

        o ano pang hinihintay mo?
        patunayan mo na matindi sa argumento mga proRH…

      • filipinaskoh

        That’s very reason why they made series of amendments in the RHbill to assure it will not be pocketed by corrupt government officials- read the RHbill first before making comments

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        What is there to answer? Your reply to Bobbie is way off the mark and is beside the point. It’s like hitting a blank wall, you can’t even begin how to reply. It just shows how shallow your way of thinking is.

        Bobbie is just basically saying that in every initiative, we cannot avoid corruption. But this should not stop us from doing government projects and doing things that we think is right, like the RH bill. We just need to learn to manage curruption to minimize it. Now, NBN, NorthRails, Fertilizers.. etc. These are all certified scams. Totally different issues and subject matters. Why bring that up?

    • filipinaskoh

      Well said! Bravo!

  • Mitchel

    Psalm 127:3
    Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

    Psalm 106: 37 -38
    They sacrificed their sons and daughters to the demons; they poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.

     

  • Bobbie_mae

    The RH bill will not force anyone who doesnt want to use contraception or to space their children, to do so. In other words if a husband and wife still want to have 10 kids they will be free to do so. It only gives unfettered access to those who would have no access to information on the methods of family planning under existing conditions. Currently all those women who can afford to go to an OB GYN have access to information on family planning. They have access to contraceptives if they want it because they can afford to pay for it. What about those women who want to use the pill or whose husbands are willing to use the condom but cannot afford it. Why should  they be discriminated against? And to those who say our taxes shouldnt pay for the free contraceptives, that poor people should pay for it themselves — I ask :  can we demand also that the poor people who cannot afford to feed, clothe and educate their children, and who pay no taxes be banned from using public hospitals and the public school system , because anyway they dont pay taxes ? Or maybe the Church and all the the anti-RH people, can take all these people under their wing and house, feed, clothe and educate  and employ them at their expense because anyway  they all have bleeding hearts for the poor. Let them share their wealth with the poor in our society. Lead the way, and maybe the rest of us will follow!

    • joshmale2004

      Well Said.

    • boypalaban

       ”whose husbands are willing to use the condom but cannot afford it.”

      alam mo ba kung magkano ang isang box niyan?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Eh alam mo naman ang karamihan sa mga pinoy – wala na nga pera para sa pagkain, gagawa parin ng paraan na makabili ng yosi o beer.

      • boypalaban

         yung nga ang problema…may pambili yosi at beer, minsan pang shabu pa…pulutang masasarap…pero pagdating sa contraceptives di naman interesado…

        napaisip tuloy akong uminom…inom tayo…sagot mo…hahahahaha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CXSAKSY3PCRQRSVZH4LOEO2RQ Marko

      Right, I have seen poor families loitering outside the church premisses. If the church are serious about helping these people, they should start at their own backyard. It seems that they’re only good at meddling but not actually taking part of solving the issues.

      *not against the church but just sharing what I have seen everyday.

      • bundee

         With due respect to you, tumutulong ka ba sa simbahan mo?  Magkano? What I see is to teach people how to fish more than give them fish. Kung may RH ba ay yayaman ang mga yan? Bakit di gamitin sa kanilang livelihood kesa free condoms? Just asking, po.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CXSAKSY3PCRQRSVZH4LOEO2RQ Marko

        Just sharing my thoughts no need to be harsh, yes I do share whenever or whatever I can ( I will just disclose what I share). I respect what you believe and I can not also say “na yayaman sila”, but at least we should give it a try. You have your point and I have taken it good.

        *Sorry RH is not only about free condoms.

      • bundee

         Thanks. Salute to you.

      • bundee

         Apology accepted. I know, bakit di alisin ang mga sensitive provisions na yan? Kung population control, racism ang labas.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Free family planning? Sex education? Uh yeah. Frankly, I’m not that supportive of the condom clause. I’m going for the education and free services. I wouldn’t mind removing that free contraceptive clause if it gets the bill passed.

      • boypalaban

         medyo malapit na tayong magkatugma…malapit na….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SC573R5VTMJ6ISRH635DJ2XVLI San

    Grabe talaga how filipinos cannot seem to agree.  we pay our congressmen tens of millions annually, and all they can think of is their own political futures.  religious leaders who cant see outside of their own outdated teachings….  no wonder we remain the same….

    • bundee

      Ikaw saan ka magaling? moral values are never oudated, they are simply rejected.

      • jenny lim

         …tumpak!

    • Yxon

      sano, ang relihiyon po hindi naman yan pasunod sa uso. modernity has no relation to doctrines and principles.  

    • boypalaban

      yun bang huwag kang mang-aaswang ng asawa ng iba, di na bagay sa panahon ngayon?

  • Mitchel

     

    Nahum 1:3

    The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,  and the Lord will by no means clear the
    guilty.  His way is in whirlwind and the
    storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

  • Mitchel

     

    Revelation 21:8

    But as for the cowardly, the
    faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers,
    idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with
    fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

  • bundee

    RH Myth:  Less population/worker = More progress/productivity?  No population/worker = Great progress/productivity?     Reality: More worker = More productivity!  Less division of the pie = More share for the rich.   RH aim: Reduce the population esp reduce the poor.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Wrong argument. Less mouth to feed > Greater household income > Better quality of life > Live longer. In effect, a family that can sustain itself.

      More worker = more productivity only applies if you count the growing number of unskilled, uneducated street children that will grow-up to be unskilled, uneducated adults, that will most likely end up unemployed and/or adding up to the crime rate and you consider these people “workers”

      • bundee

        ooops, slowly please.  You missed the train!  Productivity is one factor in growth, alam mo o hindi.  Pag hindi, end of argument. If yes, which is more productive, assuming all other factors are constant, 1 worker or 10 workers? You are referring to greater share from division of the economic pie but the total output might be less and less productivity. Productivity is different from greater share from an output that might be constant.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Oh, I get it. Assuming, of course, all 10 are “workers”. In the real world, much less the Philippines, you cannot assume all factors are constant. If I’m going to assume such facts, then I can also just base my decision on the rise of HIV due to lack of condoms, and not because we have more LGBT or other factors.

        Lol… all factors constant. Every worker has the same high-end condo? Every worker is paid the same? What is this, communism?

      • bundee

         Your argument is myopic. A family that earns 300 pesos increases its buying power by reducing the number of members.  But the income is still 300. It does not make them richer. Growth is partly measured by the index of manufacturing output. If the economy is good, more workers are needed and more production. Less workers, less output. You are confused and cite HIV.  Thailand gave out free condoms since eternity and they are maybe still second in cases in Asia with more than 1 million cases and more 600,000 mortality.  Contraceptives worked? NO! They are now in crisis for lack of laborers. I hope you believe.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Having experienced and heard more of such cases than I care to, I present the following argument: Education increases income.

        1 child goes to school or 2 children don’t go at all.

        If you consider that a highschool graduate, or a college graduate get’s a better salary than someone who is uneducated (more so if from a prestigious school), having that one child can still increase income.

        You can’t expect to uplift the quality of life if all you expect families to churn out are uneducated laborers. If given a choice, most families would rather their children get an education, right?

      • bundee

         Out of line ka, bakit kaya? Saan ka ba galing pare? Parang lihis ka sa RH debate. Yon ngang argument ng anti-RH at hindi contraceptives ang sagot. Jobs, education, morality, anti-corruption, etc. at hindi condoms lang. Ok na ba?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

    i find mercado’s proposed amendment so shallow that it can only pass in a filipino movie script. after reading this news i find lani’s tweeter account and see hypocrisy in her tweets on morality, as if she had not been living with an immoral husband, not to mention her father in law.

  • joshmale2004

    As of 2010,Philippines has 94M in population with the following breakdown.
    Age Bracket                    Population                    Percent      status
    0 –  9                               21,355                           22.72       dependent
    10   –  19                         19,405                           20.64        dependent  
    20   –   49                         39,890                           42.40       adult (work force????) 
    50  -    64                          9,291                            9.9          adult (work force/retirees????)
    65   –   79                          3,449                            3.7          semi dependent
    80 above                              610                            0.7          semi dependent
       I ask our readers. What can you see in this data? Combined dependent population including babies is 43% which is almost half of our entire population. Adults of which I don’t know how many are employed or income earners (any data contribution will be appeciated guys) comprise 42.4% and middle age comprise about 4.4%. Assuming all of the 42.4% are working and income generators, how will they feed their dependents belonging to 43% and 4.4% of the population. What more with the entire 100% population. I will not make conclusions here but you readers can discern what will happen in the next years when more babies are produced and the work force is diminished?

    • bundee

       Thanks for the stats. What is your source? I am not an economist but I think it can be further analyzed in terms of trends e.g. in 5, 10, 25 years what will be the cross-section of the population vis-a-vis trend of economic growth. I leave it to the experts.  But this is, in fact, an argument against the REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH because they present it as pro-health, pro-women, pro-poor while the TRUTH is it is a POPULATION CONTROL measure to benefit the rich and reduce the poor section. The masses get their strength from their MASS (numbers). To reduce them is to reduce their leverage and bargaining power. Foreign lobby surely.

      • joshmale2004

        punta ka sa bles. dole. gov . ph

  • jenny lim

    Simple lang yan:

    Country’s problems:

    1. Corruption – solution: transparency, honest governance.
    2. Poverty – solution: job opportunity, livelihood projects, improved and well supported agricultural program.
    3. Illiteracy – solution: equal opportunity for education especially on state universities which pays are getting higher.
    4. Maternal death – solution: improved hospital services.
    5. HIV/AIDS – mga bading at yung gumagamit ng mga protitutes: mag-alaga na lang kayo ng aso.  wag n’yo idamay tax ko sa kakatian nyo.

    Bakit biglang naging solution ang free condoms at pills?  Anu ba talaga?

    If RH Bill is not only about condoms and pills, then remove that provision in RH – yun lang naman ang tinututulan dito.  Ang tanong bakit hindi puedeng alisin?  Ay ay, that’s the heart of the matter – business and commision from it.

    Sa mga Pro RH, pag interes nyo ay health of women and responsible parenthood, we have no problem with that.  Pero pag health of women and responsible parenthood is all about free condoms and pills, ibang usapan na yan – we strongly oppose. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      I agree with you but I also have to face facts and reality. I have no faith in honest governance ever happening, enough job opportunities ever catching up for our growing unemployed, equal opportunity for education in a profit-driven world, improved hospital services with with hospital expenses unable to keep up with how badly people treat themselves (i.e. smokers, etc), lessening the number of sex workers.

      There are good arguments saying that we don’t need certain clauses in the RH Bill, or the RH Bill altogether. But, in the end, they are just arguments. There is no movement, there is no action, there is no solution.

      Frankly, the only thing the majority of the people in this country will understand and probably ever try, is something that’s labelled FREE. 

      • jenny lim

        Kaya nga nanalo si Pinoy, pati ako napaniwala: ‘Pag walang kurap, walang mahirap’.  But I still believe in tuwid na landas. But this RH Bill, ewan anung nangyari kay PNOY, bakit biglang: ‘Pag walang manganganak, walang mahirap’. 

        Pero ito very simplistic: ‘Pag uubusin ang mahihirap, wala ng mahirap’. Mas ok ito at least pa yosi yosi na lang si Noy Aquino.

      • bundee

         Galing!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        A portion of the population will always be less fortunate. Just don’t generalize childbirth with everyone.

        I’m just looking at this Bill as a chance to educate the people into making responsible decisions. Better decisions. I’m sure you can agree that giving birth to a child when you don’t even have the resources to support your current family is just plain dumb.

        Yes, this Bill will lessen our population growth, for now. But, when income per capita goes up, this Bill will not prohibit giving birth. And, it just gives the next generation a better mortality rate. If the government really wanted to stop our population growth, then it would have been a 1-child policy like China. If the people are capable of better, informed-decisions, then we may not have needed an RH Bill. As it is, people lack the education on the matter, and that is what I’m pushing for.

        Not to condoms. But to better choices.

      • jenny lim

        We’re the same on that side.  So, remove the provision on contraception.

    • bundee

       Meron pa pong mas simple dyan:  Free Condoms!

  • mangtom

    NY_Pinoy-

    I like what you said. Pagnatalo ang anti-RH, mumultuhin pa ni Guadalupe si Rufus bogus. Hindi muna ako magcelebrate. Hintayin muna natin ang verdict ng lawmaker voters. Sana nagdasal din si Rufus bogus kay Calungsod baka makatulong din. 

    • abner

       kung maka insulto ka ke st Calungsod wagas ah…di ka sana mapilay o anu man masama mangyari sa iyo.

  • Yxon

    wish ko lang sana na magkaroon na rin ng budhi ang mga govt officials natin para maeliminate ang corruption na sanhi ng lahat ng problema natin; poverty, calamities, crime.  sana magpapayat na rin sila katulad ng kanilang constituent..

  • mangtom

    Boytoywalanglaban (a.k.a. boypalaban):

    Nasa provision ba ng RH bill na kung sino-sino ang magdistribute ng condom? Basahin mo yong bill para matutu ka.

    Hindi lang ang pagdistribute ng condom ang pangtulong ng isang tao sa kababayang nangangailangan ng tulong. Hindi ko sasabihin ang ginagawa naming magasawa sa ibang taong nangangailangan ng tulong. None of your dam$ business. Did I ask you what you do, if ever you do something constructive for others? Unless daldal is contribution to you, then wala akong question.

    Ako talo at hindi, okay lang. Walang samaan ng loob. Tignan lang natin ang reaction ng mga bossing mong cone heads pagtalo kayo. Ngayon marami na kayong dinadaldal e hindi pa tapos ang botohan.

    PASS THE RH BILL.

    • bundee

       Ibig mo sabihin, kung sino manalo yon ang tama?  Si Marcos nanalo noon.  Si GMA panalo din. Tama sila di ba? Kaya ok buhay natin ngayon.  Cheers!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Valid point. They had a weird argument.

        I bet it started from boypalaban’s fear of condoms.

        Well, I’ll be glad if they passed the RH Bill without the contraceptives clause.

      • boypalaban

        ako matatakot sa condom?
        graveh ka naman fafa…

        anyway, may konti kang punto sa huling sinabi/sinulat mo…konti lang…

  • Yxon

    simula nang  sasakit ang ulo ng mga parents nito,  especially those who have daughters.

  • Albert Einstien

    MODERATOR …free market of ideas….dont take sides …please

    • walangbolahan

      moderator, thanks for doing a good job.

  • bundee

    Napansin ninyo sa Congress, isa sa  rejected amendments: limit sa married couples. Di sila pumayag.  Bakit???  Kasi less market, less percentage, less kupit !!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      pointless din.

      Based on what I’ve seen in real life, a good percentage of kids are born outside of wedlock for many reasons that stem from “not being able to keep it in their pants”. Then they get married because she got knocked up or we get a single mother.

      Nearly 15% of our population is a single parent. Nuff said.

      • bundee

         Mali ka rin kasi libog lang ang point of view at gusto lang magpasabog. Sa USA at Thailand po ang daming abortion pero sagana sila sa contraceptives. The attitude meyn. Just do it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        “Mali ka rin kasi libog lang ang point of view at gusto lang magpasabog.”- At hinde ganon ang mga tao dito? Lumabas ka muna sa bato. Kung lalaki ka nga, alam mo na ang urges. Some of us can handle it, most of us can’t. If even priests can’t do it, pano pa ang general population?

      • bundee

         Ibig mo sabihin ok lang na para tayong aso? Basta “just do it” sa libog?  Kung ang asaw mo pala ay maakit sa iba na mas “malaki” at mas “magaling” ok lang basta may contraceptives? Naku, wag naman sana, po!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Hinde okay na parang tayong aso. Problema. Marami sa mga tao ay aso.

      • bundee

         Agree kaya nga ayaw sa RH mentality dahil gusto ang Pinoy ay gawin di lang aso kundi baboy pa at kabayo!  :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Well, I go back to my stand. I’m not a fan of condoms, but of better decisions.

        Pero mas madali pa magbigay ng FREE condoms kaysa sabihin sa kanila na huwag mag-sex. Such is the sad reality.

        Pucha, kung gumawa ang gobyerno ng robot na pwede manghuli ng mga hayop na yan kaysa condom, support ko yan.

      • bundee

         Kaya education/formation mahalaga lalo sa youth.  Pag may healthy environment at models at acitivities like sports, etc. mabawasan ang urges. Sa adults, applicable “sublimation” ang tawag sa psychology.

      • bundee

         Dreadful scenario:  “Tay alis muna ako.” “Saan ka punta anak?” “May date kami ni Dante.” “Ingat anak, babae ka pa naman.” “Ok lang Tay, may dala naman akong condom.”

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        May mali sa kwento mo bundee. Sinong anak na babae ang magsasabi sa tatay nila na may dala silang condom during a date? But anyways, I admire young lovers who are responsible enough not to have pre-marital sex. But I also admire young lovers who are also responsible enough to use protection when they cannot refuse the urges of flesh.

      • bundee

         Good. Kaya nga morality ang isang suggestion. Kung asawa mo pala mapunta sa ibang lugar at may “urge of flesh” ok lang basta may contraceptives? Morality is important.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Adultery na yan, pre LOL. Kung gusto niya makulong at makasuhan!

      • Rigoberto_Tigdas

        Mali ang reasoning mo bundee.. no one said ‘basta may contraceptives ok lang’. The point is, most people cannot fight the urges, so better get protected kung di mo rin lang malabanan. Having a sinful relationship is beside the point. Contraceptives are not the enemy, infidelity is. Sana maunawaan mo.

      • bundee

         parang ikaw ang di makaunawa? Kung ang mga anak natin “di makaya” ang urges, ang asaw mo pala kung nasa malayo at di rin nya makaya? Anong difference? Adultery and pre-marital sex has the same father: promiscuous immorality!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Yun nga eh. Most of us will agree that we prefer it when they abstain from pre-marital sex or having sex without any thought of the consequences. But, we cannot guarantee that situation.

      • filipinaskoh

        It is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children morality. un ang problema pag masyadong maraming anak hindi nasusubaybayan ang kanilang mga anak

  • Bengatibo

    I assumed that debates of pro and anti RH Bill has been done including comments from netizens. It has been productive as this is an exercise of democracy. And now it’s time to vote on your conscience, gentlemen of Congress. Others use it as vehicle to win the Catholic vote, while others use it on moral issues, while others think about the future of our country. All inputs on pro and anti RH Bill is very constructive. Others are apprehensive while others thinks the country needs it. Enough has been said and done. The country should move on when the RH Bill is put into a vote. Win or loss the country should benefit from RH Bill!!! Healthy discussions on the issues at hand has all been deliberated. It will be a never ending discussion. Let us put a stop on this and vote on the RH Bill!!!

    • bundee

       Disagree po.

    • abner

       pag pro ka…pagbotohan…siempre alam na me basbas ng taga hawak ng pondo ng bayan eh…kaya matatakot naman ang iba…kase ayaw nila maapektuhan ang kanilang nasasakupan…..pag anti ka, siempre delay lang ng delay at dapat di maging pabaya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BMQHSMAEDG5M3TUUCCXJPV3PLY Rosauro

     

    During the time of
    Christ Jesus, the Pharisees, those members of an ancient Jewish religious group
    who were zealously following the Mosaic laws, were constantly scolded by Jesus
    for not being compassionately caring the welfare of the people especially those
    who were maltreated by the Roman soldiers. Those Pharisees were enjoying great
    respect in public places by having special places for them to sit because they
    were representing God on earth. But why was Jesus irritated? It was because that
    majority of them (Pharisees) didn’t recognize their responsibilities to be
    compassionate to their fellowmen. Today we have modern Pharisees the religious
    people of both the Catholics and the Protestants who are representing God on
    earth. They enjoy having titles and respects but neglecting their
    responsibilities to nourish the temple of the Holy Spirit so in this way all
    members of the family can pay much attention to their spiritual needs. But why
    I say this? For how can these holy people (religious people) expect their
    followers to worship God when they (the family) have plenty of mouths to feed
    three times a day and helping the government finds solutions to contain poverty?
    We expect these religious people to provide us better education for our
    children. We expect that they don’t only provide priority admission to the rich
    in their universities. We expect that they lower down school fees by 50% for
    the poor because after all they don’t pay taxes. These religious people should
    accept that we human beings are within the realm or sphere of two dimensions;
    our temporal needs and our spiritual needs, but they neglect to recognize the first
    one. Do they?  Ross

    • jenny lim

      During the time of Jesus, the Pharisees were so angry at Him because He didn’t condone their loose morality and because they pretend to care when at the core, they’re only serving their own interest.

      RH Bill [provision on contraception and artificial birth control]?  Sinong totoong makinabang nito?  Negosyo ito, ginawang kapital ang mahihirap, kababaihan at yung mga unborn.  Don’t tell me, Lagman, Cayetano, Santiago and others truly care – look at their faces – so excited with paychecks. 

      This Pharisical or Parasital attitude is what angered Jesus. 

      So much with Private Universities: they have teachers’ salary to pay and property maintenance and for acquiring at least modern facilities to compete with modern education.  Anu sila, magician?  Saan sila kukuha ng panggastos?

      How about government universities like UP and other state universities: these schools are budgeted by congress from people’s tax.  And private institutions paid taxes too. 

      You open a kindergarten school. At least you’ll understand what you’re talking about.

  • abner

    UN kase ang lobbyist ng rh bill eh…kaya malakas…at yan naman ang gusto ng ibang bansa kase konti ang papasok sa kanila na pinoy sa abroad…yan ang di pinag aaralan ng ating mambababatas… uunti ang remittance pag nasustain ang pag unti ng pilipino…nung na down nga ang economiya ng ibat ibang bansa eh…ang pilipinas nakatayo pa din…nagkagulo na nga s pilipinas ang pilipinas nakatayo pa din…kase nga stable ang pagpapadala sa atin ng OFW… eto ang tunay na sitwasyon ng pilipinas.

  • mangtom

    Ad lev, anong masama sa suggestion ko? Pikun ka pala.

    • abner

       iwasang makasage ng paniniwala ng isang tao lalo na sa relihiyon…di naman ako pikon…sumagot lang ayon sa sinabe mo…about st. Calunsod…galangan lang.

  • abner

  • mangtom

    bundee, you missed the point by a mile, son.

    • bundee

       pwede ba kilometer lang po kuya?   :D

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BMQHSMAEDG5M3TUUCCXJPV3PLY Rosauro

    Moreover, these religious people who represent God on earth should help the government find solution to limit the export of our women to work as maids in foreign countries where some of these countries are not treating them as human beings.Now we can expect the philosophers to reason out that there is a separation between the state and the church, but we can see these privileged religious people are lobbying in congress. Wow!

    • abner

      dahil po hindi naniniwala ang simbahan na populasyon ang dahilan kaya tayo naghihirap…kung di karunungan po ang kulang sa atin at mga lider na walang inintindi kundi kickback sa katulad ng bilyong bilyong pondo para sa libreng condom…

      • joshmale2004

        Kaya hindi nananiwala ang simbahan kasi mas gusto nila ang addition sa population kesa subtraction dahil sa mga nagbibigay ng tithe sa simbahan (The more the merrier) . Bat di naman kaya natin tanungin ang mga pari kung anong ginagawa nila sa mga perang tinatanggap nila sa tithes.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        kung may nabasa kang isang article dito sa inquirer…meron ng mga donations para sa mga binagyo…

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        read this article from inquirer

        Church, Red Cross, other groups send aid to typhoon victims

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2CXSAKSY3PCRQRSVZH4LOEO2RQ Marko

        I have seen parishes with fully air conditioned churches, chapels, new sound systems, brand new SUV for church purpose services, Electric, water utilities, maintenance etc…

  • Mitchel

    Psalm 127:3
    Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

     Psalm 139:13-16
    For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.  I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.  My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.  Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

    Psalm 71:6
    By thee have I been holden up from the womb:  thou art he that took me out of my mother’s bowers: my praise shall be continually of thee.

    Isaiah 49:1
    Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

    Job 31:15
    Did not he that made me in the womb make him?  and did not one fathion us in the womb?

    Ecclesistes 11:5
    As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.

    Jeremiah 23:19
    See, the storm of the Lord will burst out in wrath, a whirlwind down on the heads of the wicked.

    Nahum 1:3
    The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty.  His ways is in whirlwind and the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

    • vendetta07

      please tell me the point you are trying to make

      • Mitchel

         Abortion brings disaster

      • filipinaskoh

        abortion- falls under  ” thou shall not kill”- This is against God’s will and it is abominable.
        IF you are trying to imply that RHbill is for abortion – YOU’RE MISGUIDED

      • Mitchel

         RH bill is not about abortion????  Wow! Give me a break pls

      • filipinaskoh

        TOO MISGUIDED! 
        Read RHbill- you do not know what you are debating. Nothing was written there as abortion, besides abortion is punishable by law and it is always considered illegal.

        If RHbill is about abortion – ALL CHURCHES ESPECIALLY CHRISTIAN CHURCHES – will fight against it.

      • Mitchel

         I’m catholic

      • Jay Ann

        Youre a Catholic and you despise abortion becoz it’s forbidden to kill. But you practice idolatry and worship images made of wood which is also forbidden and an abomination in the eyes of God. Be consistent Paul-paul.

      • Mitchel

        —- “The State shall promote openness to life, provided that
        parents bring forth to the world only those children that they can raise in a
        truly humane way.”– Old trick of the devil. Use deceptive and flowery words to sneak in the poison.

      • filipinaskoh

        If you’re trying to imply that RH bill causes the catastrophe in Visayas and Mindanao. 

        You’re again misguided by a faulty teaching. Remember God once flooded the world because of man’s extreme wickedness and God regretted this. He made a promise he will never do it again. Instead of flooding the world and drowned man to death, God sent his only begotten son to save the world from sin. You are making God a LIAR- as if it was his act – to punish the people because of RHbill. God is not Vindictive.

        The calamity was brought by climate change- cause by the abusive work of man to nature.

      • Mitchel

         Did I mention flood?

      • filipinaskoh

        storm – what causes flood but storm. It was the storm or typhoon (wala pa kasing term na typhoon noon ngayon na lang na-categorize as typhoon) that causes the flooding in visayas and mindanao

      • Mitchel

         Your glaring ignorance of biblical chronology annoys me.  the quotes above regarding storms were written by postdiluvian prophets.  do not equate storm that causes minor flooding with global deluge that destroyed the world.  Those are two different things.

      • Mitchel

         Have you heard of the book of Revelation?

      • filipinaskoh

        I didn’t hear it I read it and understood it.
         

      • Mitchel

         Ah, so you understood it.  what a liar.  You cannot even differentiate divine mercy from divine justice. 

  • blainz

    Finally the RH Bill comes to a vote. We’ll see which side really has the numbers, and which side is just lying.

    “Our Lady of Guadalupe”, eh? That tale of Juan Diaz with the miraculous roses and image is a proven hoax.

    www_sectas_org/Secciones_Especiales/canonizacion/guadalupana.htm

    [Use Google Chrome and translate from Spanish if you have to, or Firefox with the appropriate extension.]

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      hoax???sino nagsabi???from a skeptic???non-believer??from satanist???so what u expect???hahah

      • blainz

        And you believe it is a real miraculous image??? sino nagsabi??? from a fanatic??? a bigot??? an idiot??? so what u expect???  hahah

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        and i wil believe from a racist like u???from fuhrer???hahaha

      • blainz

        You name yourself “Fuhrer” and you have the gall to call someone a racist? Go back to rereading your beloved’s Mein Kampf, neo-Nazi Casper.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        and u have the same feather…pathetic…

      • blainz

        There’s nothing racist in pointing out a hoax believed in for hundreds of years.

        Branding yourself after Hitler and calling other people racist when you run out of arguments, that’s truly pathetic.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        look at ur arguments calling that guy in guadalupe as blah blah blah…pathetic!!!

      • ARIKUTIK

        RH bill like laws (population control) in other countries was proven as a hoax that brought economic disaster in just few decades. The words of God endured thousands years of bringing love and peace on earth. Truth reigns  forever but the hoax of RH bill will bring disaster in just decades. Pres. Aquino wants disaster for Filipinos for the enjoyment of his Chinese tribe. Cut the PSP head of PNoy.

      • Diepor

        I will pray for you my misguided child. Be pro-life and support the women of Philippines. Pass the bill. Its easy to condem the choices of normal people when you are sitting on your high horse. 

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        paano kaya naging pro life ang pag inom ng pills???

        parehas ka rin ni jao…ung tama ginagawa mali…ung mali ginagawa tama…

        grabe talaga ang mga satanista ngaun…mapanlinlang…pero hindi ka makakalusot sa akin satanas!!!

      • joshmale2004

        It’s very clear in the Bible that only Jesus Christ can perform miracle. Even His disciples can not perform miracles. If you Idol Image did something out of ordinary, this is actually the work of the devil and not coming from God.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        from iglesia ni kulafu at born againsts

      • jenny lim

        Ah ganun. So the devil is leading people to God because our saints lead us closer to God. Hehehe. Kakatuwa ka naman.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      and by the way….the writer of that so called hoax was refuted already many times…with scientists attesting…have u read also the counterarguments??

    • ARIKUTIK

      The morality of believers is not a hoax but naturally planted in the heart. Man made laws is more of a hoax for the benefit of rich and mighty. Let the battle be fought on higher grounds untill good triumps over evil. RH bill is genocide againts the poor Filipinos for the benefit of Chinese Taipans in PH and the Aquinos are Chinese. President Aquino is the head master of genocide againts the poor. The battle for life will continue with out end. The Chinese wants to kill Filipino babies.

      • blainz

        The hoax I’m pointing out here is that painting of the “Lady of Guadalupe”, not “the morality of believers”. This tangent of yours re Chinese taipans is irrelevant to the thread.

        If I’m going to judge someone’s morality, I’d rely on their actions and not on their professed faith. No faith, Catholicism included, has a monopoly on virtue, and religion is often used as a shield to mask wickedness…

        Just look at your own posts:

        “P.Noy is the head master of RH bill. Cut off his PSP head.”

        “RH bill is for the sex maniacs who Pak like dogs with illecit cats.”

        Is someone writing like that manifesting virtue or wickedness?

      • ARIKUTIK

        Well RH supporters does not listen to reasons. The pres. even cooked up intant viva voce to terminate the debate, FOUL PLAY wicked scheme. Let the battle be Fist for Fist. Lagman rejects ammendments. RH bill funds is poured like icing of the cake as proven by pictures of pregnant women in hate of their own baby in body. A wicked picture of RH funds. P.Noy is Chinese and the Chinese in PH wants to totally control the land through RH genocide againts the poor Filipinos. Iradicate the Chinese in PH land. The president is Chinese.

      • tamumd

        We need to iradicate wackos like yourself.  Maybe this nation would progress just like the rest of our neighbors.

      • joshmale2004

        Just a friendly advice. Don’t read too much fictions.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Hey you got nothing in mind but yet offers an advice. Reason out if you have brain. Who needs an advise from brainless monkey.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    mamigay naman kayo ng condom sa mga nasalanta ng bagyo…please lang….hahaha

    • joshmale2004

      Please don’t lose your dignity.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        same with u…

      • joshmale2004

        hehehe. You are clever. I like that.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        hehe

  • joshmale2004

    Kaya ayaw ng simbahan sa RHB kasi mas gusto nila ang addition sa population at hindi subtraction dahil sa mga nagbibigay ng tithes (The more the merrier). Ba’t di naman kaya natin sila tanungin kung saan nila dinadala at ginagamit ang mga tinatanggap nilang tithes.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      sa pagkakaalam ko…walang tithes sa catholic…

      iglesia ni kulafu at born against lang ang may tithes…

      wag naman ikaw maging tanga

      • joshmale2004

        Lahat ng Church ke INC, Catholic,, Christian, na nagbibigay ng pera tuwing may mass is considered tithing in general term. Hindi ibig sabihin na dahil wala sa 10% ng income mo eh hindi na matatawag na tithe.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        tithe is different from alms iho…magbasa ka naman ng dictionary…

        ang tithe ay obligatory….

        at during the mass, there is no coercive force whether u wud drop a centavo or not…

        unlike sa iglesia ni kulafu at born against, sa entrance pa lang ng door humihingi na naman

      • joshmale2004

        Alms – money or other assistance given to people in need as charity.
        Tithe – Somebody’s financial support to a church.
          Okay. Fine. If you want to call Alms the money given to Catholic church, it’s fine with me. Sa tagalog ang simbahang katoliko pala ay tinatawag itong limos mga perang tinatanggap nila dahil sa pangangailangan nila. And for your info, tithing in my Church is not obligatory. Pero kusa pa rin akong nagbibigay ng 10%

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        what is ur point???

        simple man lang..ang tithes ay may coercive power like paying tax…at ang limos is out of generosity, if u think 1 peso is enough, wala naman diyan magagalit sau…pero sa tithe, kung hindi ka ititiwalag…so, dont complicate things

      • joshmale2004

        I’m sorry but “coercive power” as you claim is not mentioned in Encarta Dictionary. Rather, it defined it as Voluntary. check for your self. Maybe some Churches enforce it but this is against the will of God.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        coercion is not voluntary…it might be against one’s will

        and yes…some churches enforce the tithes….

        pati nga attendance may penalty sa simbahan ni kulafu…kaya tingnan mo si kulafu, sobra na ng yaman niya diyan along commonwealth avenue

      • joshmale2004

        As you said. That one I completely agree with you.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        okie

    • tunderlulo

      Isip bata, para lang makisawsaw

      • joshmale2004

        Mas isip bata ka lolo. Nakikisawsaw ka sa ibang opinion. Bat di ka mag post ng sarili mong opinion para di ka lang sawsaw ng sawsaw.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Mabuti at naitanong mo
      yan. Pagtiyagaan mo ang sagot ko..mahaba pero matutunan mo sa halip na puro ka lang batikos kahit na wala na talagang alam tungkol sa mga bagay-bagay ng mga Katoliko. Heto basahin nang mabuti at namnamin para di ka na malito ulit:

      Sa lugar na inaayawan ng
      ibang tao lalo na sa mga delikadong lugar at sa mga taong iniwanan na ng
      lipunan, nandun ang mga Katolikong misyonero, pari, madre at layko. Hindi po
      ito binabandera ng Simbahang Katolika. Dito na lamang sa Pilipinas, ilan na ba ang
      Katolikong pari ang namatay sa gitna ng hidwaan ng mga rebelde at militar;
      malalaking kumpanya sa logging at mining na tinututulan ng mga maliliit na
      sambayanan sa paanan ng kabundukan at kagubatan at ang Simbahang Katolika
      lamang ang kasama nila upang ihatid ang mga hinaing katulad sa mga nangyayari
      ngayon.

       

      Sa bawat sakuna at
      kalamidad, takbuhan ang mga kapilya at parokya ng mga Katoliko ng mga nasalanta
      at nagsisilikas…samantala sarado ang mga pintuan ng iba.

       

      Sa pag-aaruga sa mga
      iniwanan na sanggol sa iba’t ibang lugar – lansangan, hospital, pintuan ng
      simbahan, basurahan – nariyan ang mga Catholic charitable organizations. Ang
      mga batang naulila sa kani-kanilang magulang ay madalas na inihahatid sa mga
      parokya at sa mga NGO na may kaugnayan pa rin sa Simbahan.

       

      Sa mga nagugutom sa
      lansangan at mga biktima ng krimen at napapariwara, ang Simbahang Katolika ay
      may programa sa mga ito. Sa mga malalayong lugar dito sa Pilipinas na di naabot
      ng DSWD at mga LGU, naroon pa rin ang mga misyonero at misyonera na Katoliko.

       

      Sa mga mag-asawang
      nangangailangan ng counselling at pagsasaayos ng kanilang samahan na
      nanganganib sa hiwalayan, mayroon pa rin serbisyo ang Simbahang Katolika para
      sa layuning ito.Napakarami ang ginagawa ng Simbahang Katolika para sa kahit na
      sinong tao nangangailangan ng tulong.

      At saka, hindi po
      namimilit ang Simbahang Katolika sa mga Katoliko na magbigay ng tithes. Pawang
      voluntaryo po ang ibinibigay ng mga miyembro. Kapag humihingi ng tulong para sa
      mga pari naman, ganoon pa rin dahil marami sa mga paring Katoliko ay hindi
      umaasa sa kani-kanilang pamilya. Nanunungkulan na sila kay Kristo at sa
      Simbahan na binubuo ng 99.99% layko at 0.001%  lang ang kaparian ang
      karamihan sa pari umaasa sa kanilang pang-araw-araw na ikabubuhay nila.

       

      • joshmale2004

        Mang Teban. Ang akin lang naman ay pagtatanong. Ngunit ngayong sinagot mo eto ponto por ponto, maraming salamat at inilabas mo lahat ng ginagawa ninyo para naman mabasa ng lahat na hindi nakakaalam pati na ako. Ngayong alam ko na dahil sa tingin ko, totoo lahat ng inilatag mo, maraming salamat sa mga kawanggawa ninyong binibigay sa mga nangangailangan ng walang kapalit. Panghuli, humanga ako sa inyo at sumasaludo sa katapatan ninyong magsalita.

  • Rigoberto_Tigdas

    To boypalaman and polpoltergeist who both have unusual obsession with condoms, remember that once there was this one outstanding senator, one of the best, to my opinion, who made himself well-known and practically started his political career by promoting condoms.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Are you referring to former senator Juan Flavier? You consider him outstanding? No wonder you cannot even remember his name..Did you forget?
      What is outstanding with promoting condoms? Sheessh…

      • Jay Ann

        point is, despite the strong opposition of the Catholic Church on that time, people still stood beside and supported him all the way into Senate. Noon pa man, supportado na ng karamihan ng ganitong layunin. Napahiya ang pari mo Teban!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        Bakit po napahiya ang pari? Matagal na pinakakalat ang condoms sa Pilipinas panahon pa ni Marcos noong 1965 at pinuponduhan ng USAID.  Nagsawa na ang mga Kano kasi hinuhuthutan lang sila ni Macoy. Kaya nagpakalat ng bagong stratehiya katulad ng pagkuha kay Juan Flavier mula sa isang munting manunulat sa diaryo na sumikat at naging senador kasi nga ginamit niya na katawatawa ang pagkabansot niya at ang mga Pinoy mababaw ang kaligayahan.
        Kinalaunan, umayaw na rin si Flavier..walang kinalaman ang Simbahan sa kanya. 

  • Janch

    Pass or reject but vote on the RH Bill.

  • filipinaskoh

    I respect the Catholic church – I admire what they are doing now for the victims . But this is their first time to mobilize the whole church to do an assistance. I hope it will not be the last. I hope they didn’t do it because they are being the target of criticism of not giving any help to their parishes.

    • tunderlulo

      Ano ba naman mga pro rh bill, pulos katangahan naman ang banat niyo. Gumawa naman ng makatotohanan na pananaw hindi ang sapantahang gawa gawa lang para may ipuna sa katoliko.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

      Hello? Duh?
      “First to mobilize the whole church to do an assistance”?
      Go down few spaces and read  my reply to joshmale2004.
      By the way, what have you done for the “victims”? But thanks for saying that you respect the Catholic Church. Hope you can keep it that way.

      • filipinaskoh

        Are the calamity victims are the only one in need of help? 

        THIS ACTUALLY the FIRST TIME they MOBILIZE THE WHOLE CHURCH – they don’t do that before. They always ask for donations to build their church and to build their Images or altar. I knew it because I was catholic before ( That’s the reason why I respect  Catholic Church but not all priest) and I was always ask for donations or buying raffle tickets for these projects but always decline because I don’t believe in Idols and don’t patronize lottery. I was never ask to donate to any calamity victims.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

        It is a pity you left the Catholic Church without seeking any answers to your doubts. Like the first community of disciples under Peter and the chosen leaders who spread out throughout Asia, Africa and Europe, the Catholic Church is still the same One with a Universal Goal. When donations were asked from you, I would assume that you were not forced, were you? If you were forced, then you really should not give anything. Raffle tickets or bingo games held in parishes are meant to create a happy family atmosphere similar to the privacy of your home where you and your friends play cards or mahjong to unwind and remove stress. The means is not evil to justify the end which is for a good charitable objective.
        Yahweh commanded Noah to construct the ark, Moses to carve a serpent atop the wooden staff, Solomon to build the temple with cherubim angels on each pillar and a few others ordered by God to make out of materials found in the surroundings. Did Yahweh ask these holy people to worship the objects they were told to make? NO.
        God wanted to test the faith of these people he had chosen to serve his people. Every icon, statue, image, pictures, and structures dedicated to the characters in the Holy Book is not worshiped by Catholics. NEVER.
        If you feel uncomfortable with some Catholics who act unusually, it is not for us to judge them. That is probably their way of adoring and praising God. What is more essential is how I conduct myself to increase my faith in Him by entrusting my life to God and not to the government that defines and dictates on how I should have my sex life. Ugh!

  • $2931613

    kayong mga in favor sa RH bill, you better change your mindset and ask for FORGIVENESS!  tingnan niyo nangyayari dahil sa katarantaduhan niyo.. we just experienced the worst typhoon this year.. and there could be more to come if you dont change your ways

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Irrelevant. May namatay na pusa sa kalsada, pwede ko din ba ibintang sa RH Bill? Konti lang ang balat ng manok ko, pwede ko din ba ibintang sa RH Bill? Huling utot ko sobrang baho, pwede ko din ba ibintang sa RH Bill?

      Even if I was against the Bill, I wouldn’t support such arguments.

      • $2931613

        on second thought.. i now FULLY SUPPORT RH Bill… para mabawasan ang mga squatters na katulad mo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Lol. Ganyan pala magsalita ang mga pupunta sa Heaven. Snerk. Hypocrite much?

    • blainz

      There have been typhoons before and there will be more to come. It’s been that way even before Christianity. Same with earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc…

      Stop ascribing natural disasters to your God. We’re centuries out of the Dark Ages. You’re doing both your mind and your faith a great disservice.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Nang gi instant terminate ang RH debate through PNoy organised instant viva voce ay binaha ang MM kahit walang bagyo. Nang gi pilit ang congress forum for RH ay binagyo ang dating walang bagyong Mindanao. Two times synchonise odd events is something only the blind and dumbs can not hear. Especially if it is enclosed with PSP games in Malacanang. Pass the RH bill so that the curse will be fulfilled for the glory of God. Then all can see.  

      • INQ415

        ^ posts like this makes me ROFL

      • ARIKUTIK

        Good for you and your brain went blank with out words to say. nya….hahaha…… what a Donk. P.Noy is Chinese and the Chinese in PH wants to inflict genocide to native Filipinos thru RH bill. The Chinese are the ones over populating this country and they want to conquer it all thru RH bill.

      • tamumd

        What a stupid, racist comment. There’re alot of chinese and half chinese in the catholic hierarchy. Cardinal Tagle himself is half chinese. lol So maybe he is conniving with PNoy? lol I’m telling you something is wrong with your coconut.

      • abner

         so many chinese here in the country….

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        When the RH Debate was terminated, I won a raffle. When the congress forum brought up the RH, I found money on the floor.

        And if nothing happens when the RH Bill gets passed, will you stop believing?

        Its faith like yours that makes me ashamed that I am religious.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Why should you, be ashamed because of others. Faith is between you and your Lord with no one in between. To be ashamed of oneself because of others is weakness. Hope you may have true faith and courage in your heart. Now then, here’s what I believe = Good will triump over ev*l because goodness is by God while RH pills killing babies is ev*l. The countries that practiced RH like ideology is now beset by evils of immoral sex with boom of abortions along with economic meltdown. God has ways to extract vengeance. It will happen with out doubt.  

    • filipinaskoh

      you are portraying God what he is not – God is never vindictive. 

      The Cause of the flooding is CLIMATE CHANGE- cause by the abusive work of man to nature. 

      God had once Flooded the world and drowned people to death because of extreme WICKEDNESS- GOD made a promise he will NEVER DO IT AGAIN. – you are portraying GOD AS A LIAR – When GOD said he will never do it, he will never do it again – GOD is not a liar. That’s the very reason WHY he sent his only begotten SON to save the world instead of drowning it. 

      Typhoon and earthquake are bound to happen, worst are to come those were already been prophesied but they are not due to RHbill but the wickedness of man like Immorality, idolatry, etc.

      Too misguided about RHbill!

  • ARIKUTIK

    The Philippines is OVER POPULATED by CHINESE. They are all over our land, lording it over the native Filipinos. Now that they are Taipans with Chinese pres. Aquino. They want to completely own the land through RH bill  of genocide againts the poor native Filipinos. It is the Chinese of Aquino tribe that must be eradicated from this land for their wickedness of RH bill genocide.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Take away the Chinese and Millions will lose their jobs.

      Think about it.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Take away the Chinese monopoly. Only then PH can rise into economic powers. The Chinese are robbing this country. They take the coutries wealth and hide it in foreign land. Chinese like P.Noy has no heart for Filipinos. They want to inflict genocide through RH bill. The Chinese in PH lead by P.Noy are the evils of this country. Eradicate them all for scheming RH genocide.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Well… you can all boycott SM until it dies… I mean, its possible but like Hein says, you willing to employ all the jobless people after that?

      • abner

         ganun pala kapag wala ang intsik di ka mabubuhay.

  • jikanhinia123

    Here in Baguio City I read an article published in a tabloid captioned RH BILL GOD VS SATAN. .

    The reason behind the writer’s claim hinges on defiance of the words of God Go ye multiply and fill the earth which upon my verification in the Bible, it was absolutely true. Also it said that the procurement of the contraceptives and condoms, etc would breed corruption, which is also true as i see it because just recently our country was publicized as a very corrupt nation in the world. That sexual acts would proliferate resulting to huge quantity of free condoms and contraceptives is likewise true because a day or two, cases of Hiv victims had risen due to stoppage of free condoms during the time of GMA hence, if the RB Bill be enacted into law, then there will be lesser HIV victims but more users

    Immorality shall be nurtured and permitted to increase as expected because of the ready condoms and drugs. In short many people will sin and to me the above-mentioned grounds and viewpoints is the bedrock of the churches opposition and not to the claims of many that these churches aren’t supportive of the welfare and well being of the poor which I perceive as a mechanism of the Pros just to concretize their stand.

    I believe and support the thesis of the writer because his insinuations are covered by facts

    • filipinaskoh

      God mentioned  ”Go and multiply” on two occasions ONLY – when Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden – dadalawa lang sila nun AND to Noah right after the great flood isang pamilya lang sila. God never mentioned it to Moses in Mt Sinai kasi 400,000 na sila nun and Jesus Christ never mentioned it too nor he mentioned it in any of his parables kasi madami na ang tao nun at dadami pa sila.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

        Last time that I have been to Baguio (as of this writing), I was
        surprised by what I found out. Originally during the American
        occupation, Baguio City was meant for and was designed to accommodate a
        population of 25,000 people. Fast forward to 2012, that figure
        multiplied more than 20x over – just over half a million (500,000) people!!! I cannot believe the lack of foresight of Baguio (thanks to the abscence of an RH bill) and that the fool you’re replying to wants us to believe his illogical and immaterial convictions!!!

      • entong238

        Read on the 6th day of creation, and you’ll be enlightened

      • abner

         sinabi ni God na go and multiply tapos hindi na uli sinabi…kaya naman nagpapaka God na kayo at kayo naman ang nagsasabi na tama mag depopulated  kayo..marami na kayo eh….kayo na pala ngayon ang God..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    @just_anotherperson:disqus

    You said:

    ‘Illegitimate and teen age birth has risen in the US and around the world
    despite contraception promotion – the reason – Promiscuity!’

    As tamumd points out (and as you’ve ignored), the states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are in the Bible Belt.  AKA, the most backward, conservative states in the country.  The main thing that sets the top 7 states for teen pregnancy apart?  Their schools generally teach abstinence-only, and are not required to teach the available alternatives.  Other states taht teach alternative methods have far less teen/unplanned pregnancies.

    So I suppose, in the end, opposing the RH Bill is one way of supporting teen pregnancy.

    Sucks when stats you cite to mislead people come back and bite you, doesn’t it?

  • entong238

    Sa aking payak na pananaw napakaganda and layunin ng RH Bill sa mga kababaihan kaso nga lang ay gagamit sila ng kondom at droga at ito’y napakasama kasi pinapatay nito ang punla ng buhay. Bakit wala bang karapatang mabuhay ang punla na sasanib sa dagta ng babae na mabuhay? Kung ikaw ay di tunay na kristiyano ay wala pero kami na tunay na naniniwala sa salita ng diyos ang pagpatay sa punla ay isang mabigat na kasalanan.

    Siguro naman ang mga nagsusulong ng bill na yan ay mga kristiyano kaya dapat unawain nila at respetuhin ang paniniwala ng kagaya nila kasi yan ang turo at aral na binabahagi ng salita ng Diyos sa bibliya. Pasko na kaya dapat maligaya tayong lahat at huwag magbangayan kaya dapat ibasura ng RH Bill sa kapakanan ng lahat. Maganda sa mga anti life pero halimaw naman sa aming pro life.

  • reychard678

    China and India are the most densely populated countries of the world but very much progressive. To them overpopulation wasn’t a burden instead their leaders took it as a challenge to improve their economy and voila, their efforts made them richer by the dozen. Not unlike us, Filipinos, bragging to be the only Christian nation in Asia, who mostly go to church each Sunday, supposedly deemed as the vanguard of Christian values but in actuality we tolerate and foster immorality by way of providing unlimited supply of condoms and contraceptive to be used by anyone who wants to have sex. In the bible if truly we are all Christians, sex without marriage is a sin.

    As pounded by rodriguez into our minds, the RH Bill is programmed to decrease our population by way of its clause that parents will only bring forth children that they can raise, hence, it’s likewise anti poor, meaning only the rich are given rights to have children as much as they desire.

    If over population is the core of the proponents goal to launch the RH Bill, why not tell the Muslims to have only one wife and/or tell estrada, revilla and the rest to have only one wife also. It’s plain to see that these proponents are scared of the repercussions from the Muslims and the likes of Estrada, Revilla, et al that’s why they barked at the wrong tree

    • Diepor

      If someone wants to control the number of kids they have, why is that your problem ? Its tragic that a thing like family planning is so hard to accept for many religious and often uneducated Filipinos. Things will change for the better even if you try to stop it. Lets be pro-women,pro-life and support the bill.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Because its so hard to read… I pity these people. They are given the choice to be educated and they choose to be stupid and ignorant.

    • joshmale2004

      China being the most number of population does not necessarily make them the most over populated country. You need also to consider the land area in relation to number of its population. As per latest data from infoplace. com , the population density per square mile for China is 365 per SQM, while Philippines is 777 per square mile. So based on this data, Philippines actually is more populated than China. In terms of farming, this will also give china the advantage in wider farming area than the Philippines. If you don’t believe the data, just go to my website source.

    • indiosbravos2002

      China and India are countries that have one of the biggest land area in the world. Their population is just right for their size, not to mention the abundance of resources. China as early as the 70s and 80s have adopted a 1 child policy to address overpopulation. They had the foresight that overpopulation could take a toll on their economy.

      • reychard678

        Land area nor the one child policy which later on was removed isn’t the essence of my topic but their huge population wasn’t a a cross to their progress because they have pragmatic and dynamic leaders who judiciously administered their government. You are similar in thought with joshmale2004

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        “only the rich are given rights to have children as much as they desire” – Wrong. Only the responsible are given rights to care for another life. If you someday have a child, would you give him/her to a beggar to raise?

  • mangtom

    MangTeban, huwag kalimutan na ang pera ng Simbahang Katoliko ay pumumunta sa paglamun ng mga kaparian: napansin mo ma na karamihan sa kanila ay malalaking tiyan at mukhang Santa Claus with puting robe?

    Itanong ko rin sa iyo: totoo ba o hindi ang laging nababanggit dito sa forum natin na nagpapadala ang PI catholic church ng pera sa Vatican? Honest at hindi hulang sagut lang.

    • jenny lim

      Ako ang sasagot: It’s not true. The Catholic Church is far different from other sect.  It’s the other way around, Vatican is the one sending aid for local churches especially for mission stations and other poor parishes. 

      At ang abuloy ay hindi nilamon ng aming mahal na kaparian, kasi kulang pa nga ito sa maintenance ng simbahan, pa sweldo sa mga workers and charity – pastoral programs.

      Malusog ang mga pari namin dahil inaalagaan namin sila – di namin sila pinabayaang nagugutom.

    • kwapong654

      Kathang isip baka ang pari niyo kung may relihiyon ka ang ganid

    • abner

      wala pong ikapo sa simbahang katoliko….kaya naman nag hihirap ito..pero ginagawa po ng simbahan (followers & leaders) ang lahat upang sila ay itaguyod.

  • mangtom

    reychard678As pounded by rodriguez into our minds, the RH Bill is programmed to decrease our population by way of its clause that parents will only bring forth children that they can raise, hence, it’s likewise anti poor, meaning only the rich are given rights to have children as much as they desire.

    Sagut: please do not spread misinformation (lies to put it mildly). RH bill gives couples the right to have any number of children, from what I read. Meaning, they are given the choice to have or not to have a dozen children. Huwag kang magkalat ng kasinunalingan-para kang comunista na nagbrainbrainwash ng mga hindi nakakaintindi ng issues. Kung tunay kang Chrisitano, you retract your inaccurate statement, unless you belong to the liar tribe of S-otot.

    • reychard678

      It seems you don’t know to discern the statements so stop reacting pakita mo lang na bobo ka at baka bakla ka o manyakis kaya likes na likes mo and condom

      • kwapong654

        Tama ka naman kasi sabi ni rodrigez na ang RH Bill is clearly a population control program.

  • d2yan

    IT WILL NOT END ON WEDNESDAY.  There is still the SENATE…. And the House and the Senate will still have to RECONCILE their versions.  Even if passed into law, there is still the SUPREME COURT. 
    Whoever wins on Wednesday, wins the BATTLE, NOT THE WAR.  And the WAR will rage ‘TIL KINGDOM COME…
     
    Thrash the USELESS RH BILL!!!!

    • ARIKUTIK

      Trash P.Noy instead. The Abnoy Chinese of RH bill.

    • tamumd

      We will trash your church if it continues to meddle in the affairs of the state!!!

      • abner

         trash your face tamund…lol

      • tamumd

        Nope…your church we will. Alot of people are already doing that here! Expect more.

      • d2yan

        Yes. You join those DESOLATE SOULS who TRIED it in the LAST 2000 YEARS. You add your number to their MISERY.

        You join them. SOONER YOU WILL DIE too….But the Church? She will still survive! You might even call her in your deathbed – many former Catholics have done that at the POINT OF DEATH….huwag kang magsalita ng tapos!

      • tamumd

        Which desolate souls are you referring to? The ones killed by your church during the Crusades and the Inquisition? Thanks goodness you guys are now toothless…otherwise you guys would have barbecued me by now. lol

        And you think you will not die yourself? And snap out of your delusion that you’re going to some happy place when you die. I can assure 100% you will rot just like the rest of us on the ground and be feasted on by worms and fungi. You are not going anywhere. lol I am not your typical former catholic. SO personally I will NEVER EVER emplore your church for help…ever. BUT if your church continue to meddle in the affairs of our secular government…expect a very strong rebuke from us!

      • d2yan

        Yes…try HARDER to ASSURE yourself he he he…..

      • tamumd

        Assure myself of what?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Be not afraid of the catholic IMAMS.

    PH is a Democracy, not a Theocracy.

    The MAJORITY Prevails.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PASS R.H BILL BISHOPS IS TERRORIST TALIBAN”’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIVAL TAGLE SAY YES’ TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PASS R.H BILL MALAY MO PAG DATING NG ARAW MAGING NEW ZEALAND TAYO MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA WALANG PATAY GUTOM SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMING BATANG HUBO AT PALABOY KAY SA BAKA KAYA DAMING GUTOM AT ISNATCHER BASTA TALAGA SI CARNIVAL TAGLE GUSTO LUMAKAS ANG NEGOSYO NGISING DEMONYO!!!

  • Mitchel

    ?

  • luzviminda88

    BWA HA HA HA. SIGE MGA KAMPON KO HUWAG HAYAANG MANALO ANG MGA MAKADIYOS. KAILANGANG MALIPOL SILA, IPAGLABAN ANG KADILIMAN KAYA BANATAN JIYO MGA KATOLIKO AT TUMUTULIGSA SA RH BILL NATIN.  BWA HA HA HA

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      BALIW!!!! KAMPON NI CARNIVAL TAGLE!!

      • abner

         hahaha akala ko pa naman kampon mo si edgardo mendoza…hahaha…baliw ka daw…loko si edgar ah.

  • Albert Einstien

    RP s targeted for DEPOPULATION & POPULATION control…!

    MAIN REASON :targeted populated countries may easily become threats to world peace

    The list of recommendations made in the Conference of the Milbank Memorial Fund include

    :”It is important that specific and widespread propaganda be directed to developing an interest in the health and welfare of children rather than in large families for their own sake. Such education would also involve propaganda in favor of controlled fertility as an integral part of a public health program. It is important to develop a native leadership( PRO -RH politicians, academecian & media personalities ) that will acquire new values rapidly and serve as a medium for their diffusion. To this end native political leaders, civil servants, and native middle classes are needed.”"

    we are targeted for depopulation & population control….DONT KILL our UNBORN LEADERS ”

    RH POLITICIANS are TRAITORS, BRAINLESS, NO VISION at alll….

    their selfish impaired vision is how to get elected …NOT how the COUNTRY will BECOME GREAT… that is why ..we are still what we are …wolrd slaves .. that is what they want you to believed ..to become a SLAVE forever…….our present & past generation are SLAVES but we have a GREAT CHANCE that ..succeeding generations WILL be MASTERS of the WORLD……we have so much riches…more than enough EVEN to FEED the WORLD……all we have to do is to MULTIPLY , become a strong nation with huge army & population…& preserve the resources for the near future……what we ONLY need are VISIONARY patriotic filipino blood LEADERS…!

    TRAITORS please read this…MOST countries are desperate to PRESERVE their GENES..you want to depopulate us.. while the WORLD is desperate for POPULATION increase…

    RUSSIA : declared that women choosing to have a second child would receive 250,000 rubles, nearly $11,000.

    CHINA : The China Development Research Foundation (CDRF) — a think tank affiliated with the Chinese government — has recommended that China gradually phase in a two-child policy over the next three years, and then cease all birth limits in the year 2020, according to a China Daily report.

    SINGAPORE : Desperate in trying to increase population.. Singapore’s ‘baby bonus’ packages which included financial incentives to encourage couples to have two or more children. Parents were given a tax relief for having a third child. However, by the 1990s there was only a 1.6% growth in population which was still not high enough. To try to encourage couples to have children, married couples who had children before the age of 28 were offered a 7000 pounds tax break. Several additional measures included government-sponsored matchmaking efforts through a Social Development Unit. Its aim was to ‘romance Singapore’. A month-long festival in the Valentine’s period was introduced to try to bring people together.

    ITALY: The Italian government offers a one-time payment of 1,000 euros (£685) to couples who have a second child.Late last year a proposal that mooted paying women not to have abortions gained popular support in Parliament.

    SPAIN: the government introduced a national family policy but there is still a belief that family creation is a private matter. However, Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has been urging companies to set up child care facilities and promoting long-term employment over short-term contracts.Fully funded maternity leave can last for 16 weeks, and unpaid leave of three years is available, but only about one-third of Spanish mothers take up maternity benefits.

    FRANCE : It has some of the most extensive state-funded child care in Europe. Mothers can take 16 weeks paid maternity leave for the first child, rising to 26 weeks for the third child. There is also a total of 26 months parental leave.Last year, the government pledged more money for families with three children in an effort to encourage working women to have more babies. Child care facilities are subsidised by the government. Younger children are entitled to full-day childcare (crèches). For children aged two to three there are pre-school programmes for which families pay on a sliding scale.

    POLAND: The Polish parliament has passed legislation to pay women for each new child they have, in an effort to boost the country’s falling population.Under the scheme every woman will receive a one-off payment of 1,000 zlotys (258 euros; £177) – for each child she has. Women from poorer families will receive double that amount. The population has actually decreased by close to half a million in the last six years. But some women’s groups say payments are a quick fix and will not address the long-term trend

    GERMANY: Germany has long had one of the lowest birth rates in the European Union and one of the highest proportions of childless women. According to EU statistics from 2005, 30% of German women have not had children. Demographers say Germany’s problem has probably been made worse because it has been ignored for so longThe government offers 14 weeks maternity leave plus parental leave of up to 36 months, with the level of pay depending on a number of factors. One of the biggest problems is a real lack of child care places. According to government figures, only one in five children under three get a place in day care. Not only do they close at lunch time, but the fees are incredibly high. Another problem for working parents is that traditionally, the school day ends at 1pm.The government has now lifted the birth rate to the top of the political agenda. In January, it adopted a bill to give tax breaks to families. It has also floated the idea of eliminating fees for kindergarten.UK : New mothers currently get six months’ paid leave and the option of six months further unpaid leave. The first six weeks are at 90% of pay and the next 20 at £102.80 per week. New fathers are allowed two weeks’ paid leave at a maximum £102.80 a week. The government offers free early education places. Children from the age of four get free part-time places at nurseries – some three year olds also get places.Parents of children under the age of six have the right to ask their employers for more flexible working hours.

    SWEDEN & NORWAY : Nordic governments employ a range of policies designed to help couples have more children. These governments have a long history of social policies aimed at helping people balance their work and family life. This is part of what is known as the “Nordic model”.In Sweden, each parent is entitled to 18 months leave, which is paid for by the government. Public day care is heavily subsidised and flexible work schedules are common – women with children of pre-school age are entitled to reduce their working hours. Women’s participation in the work force is high. In Norway, mothers are entitled to 12 months off work with 80% pay or 10 months with full pay. Fathers are entitled to take almost all of that leave instead of the mother. Fathers must take at least four weeks leave or else those weeks will be lost for both parents. The leave is financed through taxes, so employers don’t lose out.

    JAPAN:lack-babies-could-mean-extinction-japaneseof -people “Japan will be more likely to prioritize healthcare than international security,” Brad Glosserman and Tomoko Tsunada wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine. “Older societies are typically more risk-averse, and Japanese — ‘reluctant realists’ at the best of times — will be increasingly unwilling to put their most precious resource, their young, in harm’s way,”

    ( thanks to various contributors figures lifted & culled from different sources )

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      More irrelevant arguments comparing countries that have economies more than 10 times better than ours.

      • entong238

        Pls. don’t try to argue with facts for it merely points out that you’re a nincompoop

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Lol. Right. Like Albert over there did not post facts. Please don’t try to read for it merely points out that you’re uneducated.

      • indiosbravos2002

        Ano facts sinasabi mo… Are you crazy or high in tawas? Hahahaha

    • indiosbravos2002

      Stupid (excuse mi Frenche). This is not apple to apple comparison. How can you compare RP with China, Russia and Singapore? Newly ndustrialized country na ba tayo or 2nd world econmy man lang. Anak ng Tipaklong. Yang mga yan di overpopulated, tayo oo. VOVO.

  • joerizal

    Yung may hawak ng exclamation point parang hawak niya yung kanya kaso isa lang ang itlog niya.

    • ARIKUTIK

      Buti siya merong hawak at merong isang itlog. Ikaw blangko as in kahit itlog na bugok ay wala…..  weeeeeeeee  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      • joerizal

        isanggagotkalahatikapalangtanginamoewalakangbayagkasihindikamarunongmagbasaobakanamanpinutolnayangtitimongasomohabangpinapadilaanmogago.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Pumutok si walang kahit itlog na bugok, nya hahaha…….. joerizal pa naman ang napiling pangalan. Hindi bagay sa iyo ! ewwwww……..

      • joerizal

        Bakit kilala mo ba si joerizal? Hindi si Jose Rizal yan engot. Meron talaga kaming kapitbahay na joerizal pero hindi bugok tulad mo.

  • sked482

    About time. Let’s call on both sides to just respect whatever the outcome and let our democratic processes work.

    • ARIKUTIK

      RH bill or Genocide againts native poor Filipinos can never be accepted. The battle will continue againts the Chinese lead by PNoy who wants to own the land. If PH is over populated then it is the Chinese in our land that should be eradicated. The Filipino tribe will fight for survival. PNoy is Chinese, an enemy of poor Filipinos.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Didn’t realize that God was okay with racism. Aren’t there Chinese people that are Catholics?

      • ARIKUTIK

        Who cares about Catholics whatever. RH bill is war between the poor Filipinos and rich Chinese in PH who wants to take over the land through genocide by RH bill. This is a battle between poor and the rich who desires to poison meek poor by contraceptive pills.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Really? You don’t care? What’s this you posted:

        “Nang gi instant terminate ang RH debate through PNoy organised instant viva voce ay binaha ang MM kahit walang bagyo. Nang gi pilit ang congress forum for RH ay binagyo ang dating walang bagyong Mindanao. Two times synchonise odd events is something only the blind and dumbs can not hear. Especially if it is enclosed with PSP games in Malacanang. Pass the RH bill so that the curse will be fulfilled for the glory of God. Then all can see.”
        Oh poo? Hypocrite much?

      • ARIKUTIK

        Hey ! you ask so many questions with out offering your own thoughs. That is unfair argument but I will have pity on you for last time. My war for RH is to defend the poor. Even then, my conscience dictates that I have to warn the president about the curse of God. Is that not right in your eyes ? Now it’s your turn to answer…… Whei !

      • tamumd

        We didn’t know you speak for god! Since when did you become his assistant and become privy to his thoughts? Or are you some lunatic….having your delusion of grandeur and persecution at the same time? Maybe you need to see a shrink. Whew!! lol

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        TANGA” KAYA NGA LAGANAP ANG AIDS AYAW NI BISHOPS GUMAMIT NG CONDOM WALA MAMATAY KASI WALANG MAG PAPABENDISYON” HIHINA NEGOSYO”

  • Beguine

    With PNoy wielding power over the pork barrel and fully intent
    on the RH bill passed into law, we can see it practically
    sailing through both Congress and the Senate.

    Some kind of population control at long last.

  • Albert Einstien

    ·“ RISE my Philippines RISE “

    EVERY Filipino Family will be MULTI-millionaires by 2050( both muslim & christian brothers )

    your grandsons & granddaughters will be masters of the world

    NO Filipino will suffer SLAVERY in foreign land..

    PROTECT these resources with utmost PATRIOTISM…

    Why are we always in poverty & war?

    Why they dont want the archipelago to be UNITED?

    Why are we targeted for Population & de-population control ?

    Why is the Philippines targeted for brain-drain & intellectuals are pirated abroad?

    Why are we NOT allowed to have a POWERFUL ARMed FORCES ?

    Why are we having lunatic leaders & family of traitors as our champions & leaders?

    ANSWER : Foreign Interest/s manipulated us because PHILIPPINES is the RICHEST country in the WORLD!

    “ Literally philippines is a PARADISE in a land of GOLD blessed by GOD ( Gold,gas Oil & Deuterium ).. “

    we the most evolved & intelligent human specie are walking literally in a land of gold

    ISLAND PARADISE

    An archipelago comprising 7,107 islands, the Philippines is categorized broadly into three main geographical divisions: Luzon, Visayas, & Mindanao. In addition the BENHAM Rise.. 250 km wide new territory. The Philippines’ rainforests and its extensive coastlines make it home to a diverse range of birds, plants, animals, and sea creatures. It is one of the ten most biologically megadiverse countires and is at or near the top in terms of biodiversity per unit area. Our beautiful islands are the envy of the world we are surrounded by soft white & pearly black beaches. Most of the mountainous islands are covered in tropical rainforest and volcanic in origin. The Apo Reef is the country’s largest contiguous coral reef system and the second-largest in the world. The Philippines has a tropical maritime climate and is usually hot and humid. There are three seasons: the hot dry season or summer the rainy season ; and the cool dry season . The perfect climate system in the Philippines makes its air and atmosphere free from man made pollution after the system of storms cleansed the territory during rainy season & disinfecting the land by exposure to the sun’s ultra-violet rays in hot dry season. This is the best country in world to live in if the insurgency problem caused by poverty is solved by the tapping of the nation’s resource thereby freeing the people from poverty.. Located within the Pacific Rim of Fire, the Philippine archipelago is hypothesized as having been formed 43 million years ago. Its 7,109 islands rest on top of underwater mountains formed by the outpourings of molten rocks from the earth’s interior, thus creating an ideal setting for mineral deposition. (After Wolfe, J.A., “Origin of the Philippines by Accumulation of Allochthons” in The Philippine Geologist July- September 1983 Issue, p.17) In the archipelago, resurgent volcanoes particularly provided access for rising gold-bearing solutions which cool to the geotherm of 300 degrees Celsius at about 400 m depth. At this point, the gold began to precipitate and epithermal gold deposits were formed over geologic time of 1.5 million years from the present time. (After Wolfe, J. A., in International Mineral Development Sourcebook, 1993)

    HUMAN resource…

    we are the ONLY Country in the world ..who speaks 175 languages & dialects with literacy rate of 93.4% . Most speak fluent & write foreign languge like english , spanish,nihongo,arabic, mandarin,hindi, & malay than country of origin..some elderly can still speak latin…Average Filipino can at least speak 3 foreign language & 2 dialects..while the rest of the world can speak only english & their native tounge…the people are educated, fun loving, resilient, hospitable & industrious… in fact , currently the economy is heavily reliant on remittances which surpass foreign direct investment as a source of foreign currency. Therefore the more population more benefit for the economy. The Philippines need a HUGE population & Army if it intends to tap the resources otherwise foreign invasion can easily land on its shores & control can be had without a sweat.…as of now we are ALREADY NO.1 as BPO in the world, & our OFWS are loved by their employers..BPo is contributing $12 billion & OFWs are contributing $21 billion a year..that is why we have a FC reserve of $82 billion ang its GROWING HANDSOMELY…without them (OFW & BPO)….our ECONOMY should have collapsed already..our .POPULATION is the BACKBONE of the economy NOT the NOYNOYING & CREDIT GRABBING govt…When we begin to tap our resources we will recall ALL our OFWs & those who migrated to HELP build the country as the wealthest & strongest nation on earth…we need huge population to attain this dream & endeavor
    .MINERAL resource…..
    Initial Lode and placer GOLD DEPOSITS occur in most of the 73 out of 83 provinces in the Philippines.The ten provinces were not properly tested yet due to internal conflicts & war. The 1996 $2.1TRILLION value resource estimate based on conservative 10% ( $21 trillion total estimate ) maybe deficient and could double to $42 trillion or more of the actual resource.. . … such amount could catapult this country to first world status .. we could even buy americas $16 Trillion debt..Also, we have .$26.3-Trillion Oil Reserves ..Country’s Untapped Deposits Mostly In Spratlys Philippines News Agency April 25, 2012, MANILA, Philippines- The Philippines is “sitting on a mountain of gold,” with untapped hydrocarbon deposits estimated at $26.3 trillion, mostly found in the disputed Spratly chain of islands, more than enough to free the country from the shackles of poverty.Also if we are able to claim SABAH… It has the potential to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day,” “The estimated reserves from the present Sabah oilfields is 1.4 billion barrels of oil and 7.7 trillion scf of gas.” …Malaysia govt does not even give our sabahan brothers share of their on wealth ONLY PETRONAS ( govt corp ) which give sabah a PITIFUL royalty of 5%…That amount is even without considering the UNQUANTIFIABLE value today (maybe thousands of $ trillion ) of the resources that can be found in our new territory called the BENHAM rise a 250km wide domain which is perceived to contain very huge oil & gas deposits & the envy of world for we are the proud owner of the vast DEUTERIUM deposits with a 868 mile long find in Philippine trench. With these resources properly tapped we are bigger than america & arabia combined.. : .yet many potential mineral & natural reserves are still HIDDEN n our archpelago…

    BENHAM RISE new Philippine territory 250 km wide –GMA LEGACY

    Despite its proximity to the archipelago, the plateau was previously not included in the territory of the Philippine Islands. On 8 April 2009 ( GMA govt. filed the claim to UN now we owned it.. eventually our history & after the political vendettas ….legislature might rename the benham rise to GMA rise to give honor to its finder/claimant .. ), the Republic of the Philippines lodged a partial territorial waters claim with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in relation to the continental shelf in the region of Benham Rise. The UN has officially approved the claim in April 2012. The Philippines may soon be able to provide its own energy through Benham Rise, an underwater ridge to the east of Luzon which is believed to have mineral and gas deposits. The Philippines claim over Benham Rise is “very relevant” because scientific surveys indicate minerals and natural gas in the area. Solidified methane was found during mapping activities and the “probability is very high” there are oil deposits. There may be more natural gas than oil, and is considered better because it is cleaner. Benham Rise, which is bigger than Luzon, Samar, and Leyte combined, is being claimed solely by the Philippines

    GREATEST of them ALL- “ DEUTERIUM the Gift of Nature “- MARCOS LEGACY

    In ADDITION to the LEGACY of marcos like malampaya & other gas & oil fields…DEUTEIUM marcos legacy is the BEST …“ the Philippines trench has the LARGEST DEPOSIT of deuterium with 868 mile long 52 mile wide “If we allow production even for just a portion of this natural deposit… the Philippines will already become a first world country.. what more if we produce a quarter of it… Deuterium has several commercial and scientific uses today. It has become much more than the heavy water many countries sought after during World War II.Deuterium, a form of concentrated hydrogen, is used in the production of natural gas now utilized in Canada, America, Germany and Sweden, to provide fuel for cars, trucks , jet planes, & deuterium fuel for fusion reactors.”Deuterium can replace gasoline, (liquefied petroleum gas), (liquefied natural gas), Avgas, etc. in powering all types of internal combustion engines including maybe SPACE ships of the future & can be use in space explorations…. It does not emit pollutants or any harmful carbon monoxide and does not cause any environmental problems because it is in the water family. We can build electric nuclear plants in the middle of the URBAN cities of the world ! we will power & feed the world at the same time.Just imagine the philippines at the forefront of human evolution, science , technology & space exploration
    The GOOD news is we have UNLIMITED deposit of it…it is self replenishing..!

    WE NEED HUGE POPULATION to DEFEND & PROTECT these resources.. this is not a sotto or church argument…

    this is for LOVE of COUNTRY….NO to RH Bill..!!!

    • sked482

      Uh, this is out of topic, but bro that whole deuterium stuff is just a hoax.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Defend and protect? So… you expecting a huge war in the future and you need Filipinos giving birth to cannon fodder?

    • walangbolahan

      moderators, this person is plagiarizing from many different sites and posting all this nonsense in the blog. he is also flooding the blog with senseless repetitive posts.

  • bryant85

    Gandhi said “the earth provides enough to every man’s need but not to every man’s greed”, which to my recollection tallies with the words of the almighty that man must not worry of the food he eats for He shall provide. It too has a bearing to RH Bill since the proponents used over population as the root of poverty the means to ignite the emotions of many people for their support.

    God was right and so was gandhi but the proponents due to greed (kickback from designated manufacturers of condoms, contraceptives and others intellectually subdued the minds and emotions of the public using health of pregnant women and poverty as a rallying point.

    • tadasolo

      have you been to Gandhi’s India and see for yourself the grinding poverty and the resulting abuse they do to women and lower caste and compare that with china’s progress in uplifting the lives of 500 million of their citizens in a span of 25 years?

      • bryant85

        Reread my topic for the ninth time and maybe you’ll understand that your reply/comment is out of context. You’re logic is insensible not in anyway connected to my topic

  • denky31

    It’s glaring to note that Lagman the principal author of the RH Bill is an abortionist by virtue of his strong opposition to the proposed amendment of Mercado, to discourage women from resorting to abortion. Lagman and his cohorts won so herein I’ll also make an amendment that all the congressmen proponents are abortionist.

    This matter now we read in this inquirer should awaken all of us pro and anti most especially these so called Christians because it’s crystal clear that abortion is now legalize by this bill which is anti life. Anyone among us Christian Filipinos who tolerates abortion isn’t a true Christian

  • denky31

    It’s glaring to note that Lagman the principal author of the RH Bill is an abortionist by virtue of his strong opposition to the proposed amendment of Mercado, to discourage women from resorting to abortion. Lagman and his cohorts won so herein I’ll also make an amendment that all the congressmen proponents are abortionist.

    This matter now we read in this inquirer should awaken all of us pro and anti most especially these so called Christians because it’s crystal clear that abortion is now legalize by this bill which is anti life. Anyone among us Christian Filipinos who tolerates abortion isn’t a true Christian

    • Bayan Panona

      Hypocrite!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      A.) You don’t decide who is and isn’t a true Christian.  There is room for dissent in the RCC, and history has shown us that the Vatican isn’t always correct.

      B.) There were several reasons for that opposition and you know it.  Stop lying.

    • indiosbravos2002

      Your argument does not hold water. There is no such probition in the bill that covers abortion. Looks like you’ve been listening to some priest discussing the RH bill over a bottle of mompo. Makes me wonder if the bishops actually has the correct copy of the bill because each time they speak and argue, you do not know where they are coming from. Poor Denky.

      The real reason why Lanie Mercado’s amendment was rejected because its dumb and pure garbage, similar to other amendments that antiRH zealots throw to delay the proceedings. When have you heard lanie Mercado suddenly taking the podium to deliver a point. From what I know she is one of the airheads in congress. Baka nabigyan ng script.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Some anti-RH solons are now in Las Vegas to watch Pacquiao fight then stay there until after the RH Bill is decided by the Congress.  Very good excuse.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BUTI PA TUMULONG NALANG MAMIGAY NG CONDOM SI BISHOPS SA MGA SQUATERS AREA LAGANAP JAN ANG AIDS AT SOBRA DAMI NG ANAK NA DI NA MAPAARAL KAYA IBANG BATA NAPIPILITAN NA MAG KALKAL NG BASURA!! DAHIL LAGANAP NA AIDS DI NA PUWEDE NA DI GAGAMIT NG PROTEKSIYON ISA LANG IBIG SABIHIN NIYAN PAG AYAW MAMIGAY NG CONDOM NI BISHOPS GUS2 NILA MARAMI MAHAWAHAN NG AIDS AT MAMATAY LAKAS KITA YAN DAMING PATAY NA BIBINDISYUNAN” DI BA CARNIVAL TAGLE NGISING DEMONYO SI CARNIVAL”

    • bundee

      Pamilya ni Edgardo Mendoza hintay ng libreng condom   hehehe  kasi malilit TT nila at di kaya bumili ng sarili,  Mahal kasi!

    • bundee

       May crush ka sa mga bishops?  Kahit ano gawin mo di ka nila i b-job dahil maliit TT mo   :D

    • abner

       kaya dumarami ang aids dahil ang kalaguyo mo lalaki din…tsk tsk please wag kana magkalat ng aids.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      MGA ALIPIN NI DAMASO PINAKAIN NABA KAYO NG DOG FOOD” CARNIVAL TAGLE’

  • CyberPinoy

    RH Bill NOW !!!

  • bundee

    Sexual morality po mahalaga para di kabayo ng labas ng Pinoy. When you throw morality out of the window disaster befells the family and society for the sake of what?  “Safe and pleasurable” sex   hehehehe. Libog!

  • bundee

    Trending now in Pinoypedia: “Free Condoms,” “Safe and Pleasurable.”   Pass the RH Bill, please!

  • abner

    “Senators eye P300-M pork to be sourced from savings”   ayan…frontpage  ng inqquirer…..    lalo na lalakas ang kampanya ni pnoy sa rh bll…. magkakaroon daw additional budget sa boboto sa rh hahaha…….ibang klase talaga ang  systema ni  pinoy no? tsk tsk..busog na busog ang mga oink oink..

  • abner

    sabi ni garote dun sa kabilang page:…..
      
    The
    problem with our congressmen, who are pro RH bill, is they know 
    contraceptives cause cancer. These contraceptives  can kill the mothers
    and the unborn babies. Yet, these unscrupulous lawmakers are still
    pushing for the passage of the bill. All of the women’s right are
    already protected in the Magna Carta Law for Women, and there are no
    additional rights added in the RH bill. What is certainly added to the
    RH bill is  the huge budget to buy contraceptives in the tune of P13.7B.
    This will only make the pharmaceutical companies richer in billions of
    pesos every year. At the same time causing our Filipino mothers and
    unborn babies sick and ill. The bill also penalizes parents by
    imprisonment if they would interfere with their minor daughters’ choice
    and sexual activities.  Is this not absurd to deny  parents  their
    parental authority  over their minor daughters and give it to a
    stranger, who runs a counseling center financed by profit-oriented 
    pharmaceuticals and pro-abortion groups, to decide what is good for your
    minor daughters? This is INSANE, and our PRO-RH BILL lawmakers are
    insane too.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      NA BOLA KA KASI NI BISHOPS DI NAKAMAMATAY PILLS AT CONDOM SANA DI NILA PINAYAGAN ANG DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH NA MAMIGAY NITO PATI UNITED NATION KUNG NAKAKAMATAY ITO” SABIHIN MO SINUNGALING SI CARNIVAL TAGLE’ LAHAT NG GAMOT MAY SIDE EFFECTS TULAD NG MEDICOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIVAL TAGLE SAY YES’ TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SA SWITZERLAND AT NEW ZEALAND MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA SAWA SA STEAK SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG HUBO SA BAKA KAYA MARAMING ISNATCHER”



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