RH bill moving at agonizing pace in House

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Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez was confident that the RH bill would eventually be defeated via a 136-95 vote. Photo from congress.gov.ph

The reproductive health (RH) bill continued to move at an agonizing pace in the House of Representatives, but Majority Leader Neptali Gonzales II on Wednesday said it was “only a matter of time” before the period of amendments was terminated and the measure finally put to a vote.

Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez said he and other lawmakers  opposed to House Bill No. 4244 were gearing up for the vote on second reading, but asked that individual amendments be completed first.

Rodriguez was confident that the RH bill would eventually be defeated via a 136-95 vote.

“We are going to marshal our forces this week,” he told the Inquirer, acknowledging that results of recent nominal voting on individual amendments indicated a “slight lead” in favor of pro-RH House members.

Rodriguez said many anti-RH lawmakers failed to show up during the period of amendments because they had to attend to their constituents affected by Typhoon “Pablo.”

Rodriguez himself flew to Cagayan de Oro at 4:30 a.m. Wednesday, less than six hours after RH deliberations were suspended. He was to fly back to Manila in the afternoon to attend the session.

7 sessions left

But with only seven sessions left before Congress goes on a Christmas break, Gonzales said he was expecting a number of House members to move for the termination of the period of amendments.

“It’s only a matter of time before the period of amendments is terminated because many of us, including anti-RH congressmen, also want to vote on the bill,” he said. “At the end of the day, I think the pro-RH (congressmen) will win, but not by a comfortable margin.”

Gonzales said putting the measure to a vote would depend on the “feel of the floor.”

Rodriguez sought to correct the impression that he and several of his anti-RH colleagues were merely trying to delay the proceedings by introducing individual amendments.

Stuck on Page 2

“It’s very important for the public to understand that this is such an important bill that would affect our future generations. So let us be patient,” he said.

The chamber remained stuck on Page 2—the declaration of policy—of the 27-page substitute bill to HB 4244, as Rodriguez’s group pushed for amendments seeking the protection of the life of the unborn and respect for the freedom of religion.

Amendments

Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman, sponsor of HB 4244, earlier agreed to key amendments to the government guarantee on “public access to relevant information and education.”

These now include “moral” reproductive healthcare services “that do not violate the freedom of religion.” Also covered are supplies which do not prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum “in the uterus.”

Lagman also agreed to include the constitutional guarantee that the state would “equally protect the life of the mother and the unborn from conception.”

But Lagman objected to Rodriguez’s proposal to include “where human life begins” after the term “conception” in the declaration of policy. The chamber spent more than an hour deciding on the amendment.

In the end, the proposal lost in the nominal voting that ended shortly after 10 p.m. A total of 81 lawmakers voted against the Rodriguez proposal, while 57 voted in favor of it. One lawmaker abstained.

Quorum

The session was promptly suspended, but Zambales Rep. Milagros Magsaysay protested, saying the result showed that only 139 House members cast their votes, a number below the required quorum.

Earlier in the evening, Deputy Speaker Pablo Garcia sought to include a guarantee that “the state shall refrain from taking any action or measure that will tend to make any woman or couple to violate the tenets or teaching of their religion.”

“Suppose the state will find that the diet of the Muslims is deficient in protein. Will the state promote the free distribution of pork in the markets of Muslim Mindanao and include that in a law?” he argued.

“And that is precisely is what the state is doing through this bill, promoting the sales of contraceptives, condoms, which are in direct violation of the fundamental tenet of the Catholic Church.”

Lagman rejected the amendment, and so did the chamber via nominal voting, 100-74.

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  • EdnaSwank

    Did I read it right: “139 House members cast their votes” and the result of the votes is “100-74″!?! How did this happen?

    • sked482

      100-74 is the earlier vote. The total of 139 came from a later vote on a different amendment and the result is 81-57-1.

      • EdnaSwank

        oh, yeah, read it wrong! hahaha….

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Delaying tactics IMO. If they really wanted to resolve this quickly, they’d just brush the issue aside knowing that even with a quorum, it wouldn’t have been enough to win the measure. They can pretty much do anything in there without fear of backlash from the law and they choose to nitpick over something like that.

        Look at Sotto, he plagiarizes and he can just blame it on his religious leader. But such is the culture in this country, where its so easy to disregard your own mistake but when someone else makes a mistake… look-out!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5HKALRICF7V6QM6MYPC5TJCFQ Herbert David

         Isama mo na rin si Pia Cayetano na mahilig ding mag-plagiarize!

  • http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.com/ Political Jaywalker

    Idiots galore indeed, yeah I believe them that they are not delaying the RH Bill, after all they have been at it for several years now, LOL. Hoy! Just a reminder you people are not paid by the hour so get on it pronto!

  • sked482

    It’s instructive to see that both in the House and Senate, most amendments trying to water down the bill are consistently losing in voting. This might be instructive on the final outcome of voting. Explains a lot about the dilatory tactics the antiRH congressmen are using.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MDAWMT3LIDHOCW7ZTSYXZEUQQ4 ghe

    sa dami ng amendments. Sobrang watered down na ito. Haay naku mga Cong talaga sa Pinas…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Be not afraid of the catholic IMAMS.
    PH is a Democracy, not a Theocracy.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5HKALRICF7V6QM6MYPC5TJCFQ Herbert David

       Tanga! ikaw naman bayaran ng mga pro-RH bobo!

      • INQ415

        ah, such an enlightening reply. i wish there’s more, well thought of reply like this one.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        look at urs, more intelligent reply defending the ultra intelligent comment….

        he he he

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to winning….

        tsk tsk tsk…..

  • duviz7533

    rodriguez ngababaha at nagugutom ang mga bata sa cagayan de oro,priority mo muna sila.

  • josefe38

    Kung sakali ma ilusot ang bill na ito, wala na ring kwenta dahil napaka labnaw na at lusaw na lusaw na. Kaya panalo pa rin ang ANTI-RH  advocates.

  • filipinaskoh

    “It’s very important for the public to understand that this is such an important bill that would affect our future generations. So let us be patient,” Rodriguez
    BE PATIENT?????

    It has been MORE THAN 10 YEARS and you’re asking – be patient???? What had you done, ANTI RHBILL, for the past 10 years? DELAYING the RH bill?

    How many lives could have been saved by the RH bill? IF IT WASN’T DELAYED THAT MUCH?How many families could have been enjoying a blissful life through RH bill. How many children could have been enjoying going to school  and enjoying the care of their parents. How many young girls could have been saved from getting pregnant through the guidance that RHbill will provide.

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Can’t you take a hint? This bill has been trying to be passed for 15 years and it hasn’t because we don’t want it. The only reason why it has gotten to this point is because of railroading. If they went through the actual process of passing bills without their violating their house rules, this would never pass. A law that is needed and just, passes quickly. 

      • TwiggyRamirez

        “…This bill has been trying to be passed for 15 years and it hasn’t because we don’t want it.”

        …sorry, pero di ako kasama dyan sa “we don’t want it”. Isa ako sa milyon-milyong sumo-suporta sa RH Bill. para sa akin, masyado nang mahaba ang 15 years kung tutuusin. napaka incompetent naman nila kung higit pang panahon ang kailangan para pag aralan ito. it’s very obvious na dine-delay nila ito dahil sa pressure ng CBCP at hindi dahil sa kapakanan ng mamamayan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    DELAYING TACTICS NG MGA ALAGAD NI CARNIVAL TAGLE!!! KASI NAMAN KAYO MGA PILIPINO PAKALAT KALAT ANG MGA BLESING NINYO HUBO PA NAG LALAKAD SA KALYE PABILHAN NINYO NG DAMIT KAY CARNIVAL TAGLE!!! DUN NAMAN SA TAPAT NG SIMBAHAN DAMI ISNATCHER MAY BATANG PALABOY PA NATUTULOG SA SIMBAHAN AT MAY NAG TITINDA PA NG PAMPALAGLAG DIYOS KO PO ANO BA YAN”’ BASTA TALAGA CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN TERRORIST:””

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

       kasabwat ba ng moderators si edgardo mendoza?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Hold a vote already.

    People talk about a Catholic vote, but given that surveys have shown that the majority support the bill, let’s name the idiot congressmen who oppose the bill and let THEM worry about the rational vote.

    • KapitanBagwis

      Number one si Rufus Rodriguez….kick him out of congress come election day.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        you neven been to Mindanao so shu t ur fuking mouth! just vote for your beloved Belmonte and Bautista tandem in QC!

        tsk tsk tsk…..

      • KapitanBagwis

        Thank you for being very rude..you should wash your mouth with clorox and ajax. It speak volume of your character. Your kind are the constituent of the hypocrite Rufus.

        And how did you know I have never been to Mindanao. Your idol R Rodriguez used to sit in the immigration office.

        People kick out the hypocrite Rufus out of congress.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        if i am rude, then you are worse….

        just stick to your Bautista / Belmonte tandem and you will never go wrong!

        tsk tsk tsk……

      • KapitanBagwis

        You are one pathetic human being…you keep saying stick to your Bautista/Belmonte when you do not even know where I live…very narrow minded nincompoop…lol

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        by the way, your beloved Bautista just created a Law in QC that 6 y.o. and below children should only sit at the back with seat belt or else the driver will be fined…

        what about the 2 seater cars? isn’t that moronic law just like the way your thinking is?

        lololololol

      • KapitanBagwis

        Alam mo utoy ayaw na sana kitang patulan o sagutin dahil sa ang mga comment mo ay walang kabuluhan. Kagaya nitong sinabi mo ngayon, tinatanong mo ako kaya para hindi mo sabihing bastos ako ay sasagutin kita sa huling pagkakataon.

        “what about the 2 seater cars?” … ang two seater car ay isang sports car na ang tawag namin ay “toys for the big boys”. mayayaman lang ang nakabibili ng 2 seater car o ang tinatawag na sports car at kung minsan ay ginagawang pangarera. Kung ang isang mayaman ay makabibili ng sports car na ubod ng mahal,kaya din niyang makabibili ng family car gaya ng 4 door sedan, SUV or mini van para maging family car.

        Ngayon, kung ang sinasaad ng batas ay sa likod na upuan ng sasakyan uupo ang mga bata, bakit mo gagamitin ang 2 seater or isang sports car? Siguro kahit walang batas hindi ungas ang mga magulang ng bata para gamitin ang isang sports car para isakay ang mga bata.

        Kung marunong kang gumamit ng GOOGLE, hanapin mo ang batas sa America ukol sa pagsakay ng mga bata sa pribadong sasakyan, hindi lamang sa likod na upuan at naka seat belt, kailangan mayroon pang partikular na car seat ang bata. Para naman maging malawak ng kaunti ang iyong pagiisip (broad minded)

        Matapos mong makita sa GOOGLE ang batas sa America, humarap ka sa salamin at tanungin mo sa salamin kung sino sa inyo ni Bautista ang MORON.

        Huwag ka ng sasagot at ipakikita mo lamang dito sa forum board ang kitid ng pagiisip mo o kakulangan sa nalalaman. Goodbye and have a good day :)

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        kawawa ka naman…. you do not know that in America, children are allowed to seat in the front and may pa GOOGLE GOOGLE ka pa!

        simple lang ang tanong ko boy, PAANO KUNG 2-SEATER ANG KOTSE? SAAN MO IUUPO ANG BATA? tsk tsk tsk….. dami mo pang sinabing mayaman, madaming kotse, sports car, at kung ano ano pa…. he he he

        fyi, research mo din sa GOOGLE ang booster seats…. para may matutunan ka naman sa akin… may pa kitid kitid ka pa ng pag iisip samantalang ang BAUTISTANT pinakamamahal mo mas makitid ang utak kasi inisip lamang nya ang mga taong may apat na pinto samantalang ang mga taong may kotseng dalawa lang ang pinto ay bahala na kayo sa buhay nyo… diba?

        ayos noh? ang tatalino talaga ng mga taga QC, simula pa lang ng binoto nila si BISTEK sobrang talino at sobrang lawak na ng kanilang pag iisip!

        tsk tsk tsk….

      • KapitanBagwis

        hehehe yung sinasabi mong booster seat ay iyan ang sinabi kong car seat…nagyayabang ka pa. talagang wala kang alam.. at saang states pwede umupo ang isang batang 6 years old pababa sa harap na upuan ng pribadong sasakyan. Huwag ka ng magyabang sa akin at dito ako sa Amerika nakatira. Alam kong lahat ang batas trapiko dito. Booster seat daw hehehe..car seat po iyun. pumunta ka lang sa GOOGLE ipinagyabang mo pa.

  • filipinaskoh

    GAANO PA BA KAHABANG PANAHON ANG KAILANGAN NYO para pagbotohan at aprubahan ang RHBILL?

    Pag ang Pilipinas ba ay katulad na ng mga bansang naghihikahos sa Africa ?
    Pag ang EVAT ay nasa 50% na para masuportahan ang lumolobang population ng DEPENDENT SECTOR ng lipunan?
    Pag ang mga mahihirap sa lipunan ay para na silang “WALKING DEAD” ang mga mukha at pangangatawan?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIVAL TAGLE SAY YES’ TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

      nandito ka pa rin? tanga ka talaga

  • quirinomayer

    “Rodriguez was confident that the RH bill would eventually be defeated via a 136-95 vote”

    This man is a liar. He even lies to himself. If they have that the numbers, how come they are delaying the proceedings with all their might and with all the questionable tricks in their bag of tricks?

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      by the way, it is called “period of amendments”….

      just call on your beloved yellow president to mark the bill as “URGENT”

      tsk tsk tsk….

    • Guest

      At the end, it was 104-113. Where were the other 32 people?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MGA TONGRESSMAN AT SENATONG KAPAKANAN NG BANSA NINYO UNAHIN NINYO AT DI KAPAKANAN NG CBCP BISHOPS CARNIVAL TAGLE MGA EXTREMIST TERRORIST ANG SIMBAHAN ITO DAMASO””’ KAYA PILIPINAS BASURA” SUMPA KASI NG ESPANA SA PILIPINAS ANG RELIHIYON KATOLIKO””” KAYA DAMI PATAY GUTOM AT BATANG PALABOY”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6YY66XPT63YFGHDKYTMIO4CM Daniel

      In a sense, I agree when you said that Catholic Religion is a “curse”…….surely because of its system of worshiping idols and of its practices that are of pagan origin. But how can you dissociate yourself from “evildoers” and keep your conscience blamelessly clear if you are pro RH Bill?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6WTWZBPWUKYVEPFT2A6VIHDQZI taytay

      edgar mendoza carnival ka talaga. kailangan mo ang malakas na hangin at ulan ng bagyo para mawala yang katangahan mo

    • josefe38

      Edgardo Mendoza kawawa ka naman. Kahit anong gawin ko di ko talaga ma gets pinagsasabi mo, dalawa lang yun either talagang hina akong umintindi sa iyong pinagsasabi o talagang walang kwenta pinagsasabi mo. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  • zahraff

    Kung talagang mananalo ang ANTI-RH bill proponents as told by Congressman Rufus Rodriguez, then let the voting proceed. Wala nang marami pang satsat, gets mo Rufus!

  • dickenhead

    get it on rufus, we are itching to kick you & the other politicians who dont have the balls to stand up to the bishops & priests out of your job this coming election

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      i bet you have never been to Mindanao! much more to vote for him….

      istupido ka!

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to winning….

        tsk tsk tsk….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    “…implantation of a fertilized ovum “in the uterus.” 

    I think the anti-RH representatives are getting too picky. Of course it is implied that implantation of a fertilized ovum will be in the uterus, during normal pregnancy.

    Btw, Rep. Rufus Rodriguez might have forgotten that most of the victims of the past and present typhoons are his poor constituents living along the river banks. By opposing the passage of the RH bill, he seems to be condoning the perpetuation of such unsafe living conditions.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      just to let you know….

      there are a lot of lands available in cdo, these people chose to live in the riverbanks because of economic situation…. istupido ka!

      • justjarred

         name calling is the sign of weakness

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        inggit is a sign of insecurity!

        he he he

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        I think your reasoning is contradictory. Those people because of their economic situation cannot afford to buy and live in safer lands but in the river banks. 

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        nope, economic situation because land far away from the business centers gives few opportunity in terms of livelihood.

        thats the reason why they opt to live in crowded busy business areas where the only available lands are near the river banks…

        so there you go, knowing these facts. is RH bill the solution to the poverty problem?

        he he he

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKWKD2SIVBNXCVAXXFUN37OCY4 bsf

       Typhoon
      kills at least 283, hundreds missing, in southern Philippines. Remember
      the last time they attempted to pass the RH bill, Ondoy came on. Last
      August, God brought on the rain again that causes floods in Metro Manila
      & nearby areas when the time the RH Bill was forced passage was
      scheduled. It happened again and again when the controversial RH bill is
      up for voting. Let us pray for our lawmakers not to pass the RH
      bill and to listen to God’s way of telling that RH bill is not good and
      anti life. No to RH bill!!!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        Perhaps you have forgotten that PHL is in the typhoon path and in the ring of fire. Typhoons and earthquakes are normal occurrences for the country.

  • Joe Umali

    Media should publish a regular list of habitual absentees in Congress so the people will know whom NOT TO VOTE in coming elections. These are the anti-people Congressmen who disappear during sessions so there won’t be a quorum to finally put the RH Bill to a vote.  Sayang lang ang binabayad ng taong bayan sa mga inutil na yan.

  • FelixSoriano

    GO ANTI-RH! Let’s kill RH Bill. Those who favor goodness will never be defeated. We will win..either by the death of this devil’s masterpiece or by martyrdom. Let’s pray for our congressmen and senators that they may favor life. We must not allow PH to become RH.

  • Albert Einstien

    UNAHIN nyo IPASA ang foi….

  • ODAPAIN

    an agonizing congress that is not productive,habitual corruption,wasted tax money,what are you people in congress really good for ? Quorum sa Mah Jong siguro kumpleto

  • bgcorg

    One of the 4 basic human freedoms, aside from life, speech, from want, is the freedom of religion.  The point raised by Cong. Garcia is valid: you cannot make the selling and distribution of pork freely and by law FOR Muslims against their religion!  Sadly, the very real analogy is missed by many other legislators!  True disciples of Christ are “the king’s faithful servants, but God’s first,” the stateman-saint in Thomas More explained.  How many legislators would not dare force the tyranny of their numbers on our brother Muslims and yet, without maybe thinking, immediately invoke their power and authority over matters like life they have no authority to legislate over, except to respect it, guard it, and conserve against criminality and violence!  Moreover, to leave the definition of “conception” loose and inprecise is to invite judicial determination still of the exact meaning of the word (when it is their job to properly craft laws) and, wittingly or unwittingly, force the nation to accept to subscribe to the Guttmacher Institute definition of “conception” as the start of pregnancy, i.e., the implantation of the fertilized ovum in the endometrium of a fertile woman.  It appears that the “majority” of our legislators are not voting according to universally accepted medical concepts, but to constructs imposed by their patrons and sponsors! 

    It is universal doctrine that life begins at conception, i.e., when the sperm fertilizes the ovum, not only at the start of pregnancy!  By this time the fertilized ovum had become a live zygote that had swam into the uterus to be nourished and nurtured further. Christian lawmakers are called to become new “evangelizers” in the specific areas where their Christian principles are challenged to shine, not be “hidden under the bushel basket” due to fear, timidity, or party loyalty.  Voting according to conscience means that that conscience must be informed, certain, and correct, not affected. pharisaical, erroneous, lax or doubtful.  If the conscience is not duly formed by orthodox, correct and consistent Christian principles taught by the Church, the practical judgment made by the legislator may be flushed, wrong, immoral objectively, even if subjectively one may be absolved from liability in the here and now.  IT IS THE DUTY OF ANYONE TO REMOVE IGNORANCE THAT IS VINCIBLE FROM CLOUDING HIS JUDGMENT. Here, the Church stand as the beacon of light and truth.  “He who listens to you, listens to me and to the one who sent me” is the Savior’s grim reminder to the recalcitrant, proud, and self-conceited.

    No to the rh bill.  It is not by any stretch of the imagination a “health bill” at all.  Without the “euphemistic” tag of a health bill, it is nothing but a birth control measure that is passe and destructive of our own unique Filipino culture.  It only satisfies a passing “fad” in order to appear “modernistic.”  In reality, however, the more sober, prudent and genuinely interested for the future of this country, will appreciate the fact that many countries which had adopted a national policy to suppress human births in the past ARE NOW RETRACTING towards a more reasonable consideration of the dynamics of demography in relation to development, urbanization, transmigration and intra-migration, labor and employment.  To doggedly insist that we still adopt a reproductive health bill as proposed, revised and defended is actually to be regressive, not to be modern at all, and will open the floodgates to immorality and corruption that, as history and experience should teach us, destroys man’s humanity, his human, spritual and moral values. Without endorsing artificial contraception, provisions on maternal and child care may be introduced as amendments to the Magna Carta for Women Act or to any other existing laws to be made more relevant and up to date. There is absolutely no need for a “reproductive health” law in the country that is not now being implemented by the DOH, except for an explicit statement of public funding by taxation (or loans and grants with strings attached) that proponents are dying to be passed by their colleagues. Prayer and fasting can make hearts melt with God’s amazing grace!

    It’s high time to show your defence of the Catholic faith, after the example of Filipino martyrs like Lorenzo Ruiz and Pedro Calungsod.  God is speaking to us today in many and various ways. The Christian soldier, the Christian legislator, will vote according to an informed, “certain” conscience.  “He who listens to you, listens to me, and to the one who sent me.” The “beginning of wisdom,” Scripture reminds us, “is the fear of the Lord.”

    NO TO THE RH BILL!  YES TO LIFE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.  NO TO RADICAL SECULARISM.  YES, TO FOCUS AND PRIORITIZE FIGHTING POVERTY DIRECTLY AND CORRUPTION AS WELL.  Yes, to hope and social justice. First things first. Let us not give people who need “bread” the extravagance of “cake” in the form of free condoms and contraceptives. I am sure that you are patriotic enough to know that man does not live alone by condoms and contraceptives. NO TO UNTIMELY AND ILL-ADVISED BIRTH CONTROL.

  • noelpogi

    Sobra na dami ng populasyon natin.  Nauubos na ang ating mga lupain para sa taniman ng pagkain. Ginagawa ng subdibisyon. Ano pa ba ang kailangan para ipasa ang RH Bill.

    • justjarred

       alisin ang mga kasalukuyang anti-RH sa kamara!

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      isa ka pang istupido!

      hindi sobra populasyon natin, sobra ang kurapsyon at katamaran sa atin…. magsumikap kasi kayo para hindi kayo maghirap!

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to winning….

        tsk tsk tsk….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

        Sapul mo pre! Maliban sa tamad, ang tatanga pa… Nakarinig lang ng Libreng condom at pills sa RH Bill, naniwala naman agad! Mga uto-uto! Palabas lang yun! may malaki kasing commision ang mga Politiko sa mga investors!!!

        Inaasa nila sa ating mga Tax Payers ang Condom nila!! Ang tatamad!

        Magsumikap kasi kayo! lagi na lang kayo humihingi ng tulong sa gobyerno..

  • Godfrey Buillon

    The only way this corrupt house is going to pass this unwanted bill is by railroading it again like in August. If Filipinos vote for these same “gangsters” willing to be above house rules, then you get the government you deserve!

  • elimsqui

     i appeal to the people of cagayan de oro, to please do not vote for this man…
    wa ni ikatabang sa mga pobre…

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      ulul mo!

      you do not know what you are talking about…. get lost! this man worked so hard which translated to many projects for the people of cdo…

      istupido ka!

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to winning….

        tsk tsk tsk….

      • justjarred

        Kelangan mo ng pera e. Pasko na kasi

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        naiinggit ka? kaya ka mahirap kasi ayaw mo magtrabaho….

        tapus sisisihin mo sa mga bata ang kahirapan… magsumikap ka kasi….

        he he he

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SIBPPBJFI2777G3R3PXM7RBFPU Mahal Peñaranda-ramirez

      Ngano man diay kung mapasa ang RH Bill, tanan mga tawo modatu na mga pobre? yehey hapit na ko modatu!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKWKD2SIVBNXCVAXXFUN37OCY4 bsf

     Typhoon
    kills at least 283, hundreds missing, in southern Philippines. Remember
    the last time they attempted to pass the RH bill, Ondoy came on. Last
    August, God brought on the rain again that causes floods in Metro Manila
    & nearby areas when the time the RH Bill was forced passage was
    scheduled. It happened again and again when the controversial RH bill is
    up for voting. Let us pray for our lawmakers not to pass the RH
    bill and to listen to God’s way of telling that RH bill is not good and
    anti life. No to RH bill!!!

    • TeabagDeluxe

      What an idiot.

  • SignTheWaiverNow

    NO TO RH BILL!

    LIFE IS MUCH MUCH VALUABLE THAN ANY MATERIAL THINGS IN THIS WORLD!

    • joshmale2004

      What’s the connection with your reason to No RH Bill.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        i do not expect you to know….

        hahahahaha

      • joshmale2004

        Hehehe. I don’t wanna know also. Sasakit lang ulo ko sa kaka isip.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        alam mo bang ang utak ay parang tiyan lang… sumasakit kapag walang laman…..

        kaya laging masakit ulo mo e!

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Hehe. Agree ako sa u diyan pare. Pero serious muna tayo pre. Di ba Life begins after conception (according to medical reports I’ve read.). So how can there be suppression of life in the RH Bill when one of its purpose to avoid conception, meaning the merging of the sperm and egg cell? Whether it is artificial or natural or abstainance, all of these have one purpose which is to avoid conception.However, religion sector accepts natural and abstainance but frown on artificial. There’s no logic somewhere here and they could not clearly explain either but for purpose of religious context.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        he he he sabi ko na nga ba, agree ka talagang laging masakit ulo mo e…

        sige pagbigyan na kita sa “on a serious note” mo after mo mapahiya…

        Artificial contraception eliminates the possibility of a pro-creative element. Kung hindi kasi open to life, the sexual intercourse would just be like for the human satisfaction and pleasure. When you engage in the sexual act, that means you are ready to take the responsibility. The natural law is pro creation.

        that is why abstinence is much better, gets mo na boy palpak?

        2nd, if you heard senator sotto losing his child and attributed this to contraceptives (as told by the doctors), then you will know why life is more valuable than any material things…

        simple lang ang connection diba? sana hindi sumakit ang ulo mo sa kakaisip…

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Well that’s your personal point of view which I don’t see as enough ground to reject the RH bill. Pro Creation is not the ways and means of our existence in this Universe. The Natural Law is that majority of mankind will engage in sex not for ultimate pro creation but more for sexual satisfaction with a partner. Kaya nga sinasabi nilang masarap ang sex because of this purpose. If the purpose of sex is only to pro create, then hindi na sana naging pleasurable eto at para tayong hayop na pag gusto mong magkaanak, just deposit your sperm to a woman’s womb. Number 2, mas maraming doctors ang nagsasabi that if contraceptives are used properly and with a doctor’s guidance, wala etong magiging effect if a woman decides to have a baby after. Besides, all contraceptives have their warning which says “Never to be taken during pregnancy”. This is my personal point of view and not trying to influence you as we have a different foundation on our positions. And please no need for side remarks not related to our discussion para maging fruitful discussion to and not a fight.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        paano ba yan? may kumokontra sa sinabi mo sa itaas about “life begins after conception”….

        anyway, if pro-creation is not the natural law for sexual intercourse and it is for satisfaction with a partner…

        then why don’t we allow bf/gf to have sexual intercourse? or why does male to male or female to female intercourse a taboo?

        if this is a debate, you are losing a lot of points already… you better find a way to rebut my arguments quickly…

        tsk tsk tsk…..

      • joshmale2004

        “Although pregnancy begins with implantation, the process leading to pregnancy occurs earlier as the result of the female gamete, or oocyte, merging with the male gamete, spermatozoon. In medicine, this process is referred to as fertilization; in lay terms, it is more commonly known as “conception.” After the point of fertilization, the fused product of the female and male gamete is referred to as a zygote or fertilized egg. The fusion of male and female gametes usually occurs following the act of sexual intercourse, resulting in spontaneous pregnancy.” excerpt from wikipedia.I don’t have to explain further. You can just read so you will know both terms are the same.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        irrelevant reply to my comment..

        i hope this is not an act of desperation on your part…

        he he he

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

        “Di ba Life begins after conception”????
        San mo naman nabasa yan? Baka mali lang pagkakaintindi mo… Doctors and Scientists, explains the Human life begins at FERTILIZATION.. Blastocyst pa lang, may BUHAY NA! Buntis na ang babae… Ito ang basic characteristics of LIVING THINGS:
        1. Living things are highly organized.2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.5. All living things have an ability to adapt.Kaya nga ang Contraceptive Pills ay ABORTIFACIENT, kasi it prevents the implantation (conception) of the Blastocyst sa uterine wall!

      • joshmale2004

        “Although pregnancy begins with implantation, the process leading to pregnancy occurs earlier as the result of the female gamete, or oocyte, merging with the male gamete, spermatozoon. In medicine, this process is referred to as fertilization; in lay terms, it is more commonly known as “conception.” After the point of fertilization, the fused product of the female and male gamete is referred to as a zygote or fertilized egg. The fusion of male and female gametes usually occurs following the act of sexual intercourse, resulting in spontaneous pregnancy.” excerpt from wikipedia.I don’t have to explain further. You can just read so you will know both terms are the same.

      • joshmale2004

        “Abortifacient-describes a drug or device to induce abortion. MEDICAL PROOF (excerpt from National Catholic Research dated Feb 20, 21012. “The ethicists and medical professionals who contributed to the journal could not have known then how valuable their articles would become two years later, when the church and country would become embroiled in a controversy over contraception.
        Hamel’s words about the importance of adequate and accurate information in making moral judgments seems especially urgent now as many church leaders and commentators continue to use misleading information to argue that the HHS mandate will force employers to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.
        The HHS mandate allows women free access to all FDA-approved forms of contraception. This includes the IUDs (intrauterine devices), the drug Plan B (levonorgestrel) and a new drug called Ella (ulipristal acetate), which came on the market in 2010. Church officials and others have argued that because these three contraceptives are abortifacients, the government is forcing them to participate in the distribution of devices and drugs that cause abortion.
        The reality is that there is overwhelming scientific evidence that the IUD and Plan B work only as contraceptives. Since Ella is new to the market, it has not been studied as extensively. But as of now, there is no scientific proof that Ella acts as an abortifacient, either.
        There is only one drug approved to induce abortion. It is called RU-486 (mifepristone) and is not on the FDA’s list of approved contraception. It is available only by prescription and no employer is forced to pay for it as part of an employee health plan.
        To understand why scientists believe that the IUD, Plan B and Ella are not abortifacients, it is important first to understand the biology of conception. In order for a woman to become pregnant after sexual intercourse, her ovaries must release an egg (ovulation). Sperm can remain viable inside her reproductive tract for five days. Therefore, if intercourse takes place up to five days before ovulation or within two days after, both sperm and egg are viable and the egg cell can be fertilized.
        Now, just because an egg is fertilized doesn’t necessarily mean that it will develop into an embryo. For that to happen, the fertilized egg must be implanted into the endometrium that lines the uterus. Implantation happens seven days after fertilization, if it happens at all. Scientists estimate that, at a minimum, two-thirds of fertilized eggs fail to implant. Some scientists estimate that the number may even be as high as 80 percent, according to Discover Magazine.
        For this reason, according to the medical definition, a woman is not considered pregnant until the developing embryo successfully implants the lining of the uterus.” There is my answer to your question with medical reports as proof. I think I’ve proven my case to you. Now, can you show verifiable scientific proof and not religious or theory proof that Birth Controls contain abortifacients.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RBFLSUPEYKIDRIPFBKPUYQN4RE Jaime Sastre

      Death defines Life and it gives meaning to being alive.. Let’s make our own choices and not be influenced by RELIGION.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        what??? death defines life???

        how can you define then death because of condoms and contraceptives???

        ano daw ulit, death defines life?

        ha ha ha

  • Jomex

    the State legislators are not bound under Catholic Church dogma, legislators should stand up against religious bullying by CBCP.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001959044320 Bagaporo Jomar

    IT
    REALLY TAKES HARD PACE FOR RH BILL

    (Congressmen were afraid to Vote YES)

     

    RH Bill however takes a lot time in
    passing in the House of Representatives, because of many rumors and amendments
    wanted to be implemented. These/this alteration processes in being pushed by
    the so called anti-RH congressmen simply because they are after the expected
    comments and action of the anti-RH Filipinos – the possible action during the
    rushing election. As said in the class earlier, they were all afraid for the possible
    verdict of the Filipino people who are against the said bill. Honestly saying,
    these congressmen were really on mind to vote YES, but they were threatened for
    the NO of some of the Filipino electors.

     

    The agonizing race of RH-Bill in the
    House of Representatives virtually shows disparity in their decision when it
    comes to the sake of the Filipino and of their own. They were much aware of
    their own sake – for the position, for the fame, for the power and for the
    wealth.

     

    These people in the HR just say to
    the world their true intension in logging in to the government portals – that is
    for the POWER….

     

     

     

     

    (December 6, 2012; 9:31am)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RBFLSUPEYKIDRIPFBKPUYQN4RE Jaime Sastre

    Catholics Misconception of Conception…always against contraceptives and condoms but never so critical about Guns.. Ironic….

  • Jack Phalaphitac

    Nuts. The way these two religious congressmen defend their position on the RH bill borders on absurdity. If these two are true to their religious beliefs, why be cowed by the state if it passes a law that promotes reproductive health. The RH bill will not be a law that will require you to renounce your faith. Christian martyrs died in Rome during the time of Roman persecution. They did not abandon their faith. Same with Islam. You mean our Muslim brothers will eat pork because it is being promoted by the government? No. They will stick to what their religion says and even die for it. That should be the same thing with these two Catholics. They should stick to their faith. If their religion says no to artificial contraceptives, then by all means, stay away from it. Even die avoiding it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               But consideration and respect should be given to those whose faith differs from you. If other people want to plan their children’s future through any means they deemed proper, why not let them? Why force your beliefs on others, as if it’s the best there is, as if religious freedom is not enshrined in our Constitution. What you two are doing in Congress right now is absurd. Filibustering, delaying the process. Now, all we want, is for Congress to vote on this bill. Whichever way it goes, so be it. We move forward. Let us just eliminate this encumbrance and the divisiveness it is causing to our national consciousness. If these two know the meaning of heavy burden and division, they should agree with me .Well, if not, forever nuts they’ll be.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      there is a process called “period of amendments” and this is enshrined in the House Rules…

      if you only want to vote, wait for the coming elections but do not railroad any process most especially a Law that is as important as RH… unless ask your beloved PENOY to stamp this bill as URGENT! get it?

      you way of thinking is more absurb, filibustering and bordering dictatorial…..

      tsk tsk tsk….

      • Jack Phalaphitac

        Somewhere in your minute brain, there is also a process called ‘thinking’. Use it sometimes.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        as expected….

        when you can’t rebut the argument, shoot the messenger…

        i pity you my dictatorial minded friend, tsk tsk tsk….

  • Maitum

    Approve the RH bill now. The next 16th Congress is so far far away.

  • virgoyap

    Rodriguez is dreaming. If RH bill will be defeated it is because of his talibanic attitude and extra judicial way of forcibly achieving his goal and purpose. His aim is no longer whether RH is commendable or not, whether it’s desirable or not but by using any form of technicalities just to kill the bill.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      it is not technicalities boy. it is called PROCESS!

      tsk tsk tsk…..

  • $37644997

    It’s never a sin to oppose CBCP or the catholics.The use of contraceptives and condoms are acceptable in my own opinion but abortion is almost unforgivable sin.Have a Merry Christmas and may you have some Light from above so below.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    The political reason they say that the Philippines will be like Japan and Singapore who passed a law to limit number of children and now they do not have younger generation to replace their adults. Magkaiba kasi ang situation e… Sa singapore at japan kahit dumami sila may maipakain kasi mapera sila… sa Pinas, ang mga dumadami ng sobra ay ang mga pulubi/mahihirap… wala na ngang maipakain sa anak at di mapag-aral anak pa ng anak… so, mas dumadami ang mga pulubi sa lansangan ngayon… bata pa namamalimus at ayaw mag-aral… Rich tayo sa workforce – Human resources… ganun?… tanga… di nga sila marunong magbasa e.. saan mo sila ipapasok… a alam ko na kung saan… emplyado sila ng mga kriminals – drug pushers sila… sindikato sila… bukas kotse gang sila… mata sila ng mga magnanakaw.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      do not equate population to poverty… that a real misconception…

      China has the biggest population in the World but No. 2 economy…

      Poverty can be attributed to a lot of factors like productivity, education, corruption and etc… and the least relative will be population…

      he he he

      • dickenhead

        oops hehehe malapit ka na mawalan ng trabaho—–

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        definitely not, people who uses a “dickenhead” nick and a pic that shows a dragon tattoo will be more prone to that….

        he he he

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    Immorality as a reason: HIV infected dumadami, immoral sex life or sex outside marriage and sexual relationship other than husband or wife, etc. young women as young as 12 years old may anak na… Kaya kailangan ng RH Bill? temporary solution lang siguro pero hindi ito ang solusyon… Ang mga religious leaders natin ang nagkulang kasi hindi ipinakilala si Jesus bilang Panginoon at ang Diyos bilang mabuting Ama… hindi naintindihan ng mga tao ang kahulugan ng “reverential fear of God” Ang naituro sa tao ay kapag may kasalanan ka, manalangin ka ng ganito karaming ama namin…etc. Ang hindi alam ng tao ay siya ay naturingan na siya ay makasalanan at automatic na para sa kanya na gumawa ng maksalanang gawi… wala siyang kapangyarihan na gumawa ng mabuti kahit gusto niyang gawin… ang ayaw niyang gawin ay yun ang nagagawa niya… ang tao ay naging makasalanan at natural na gagawa ng kasalanan.  Diyos lang ang pwedeng gumawa ng pagbabago sa kanya sa tulong ng Panginoong Jesus. Hindi ito naituro ng ating mga kaparian… paano mangmang din sila sa katotohanan… kaya nga marami sa kanila ang may kasong pangmomolestiya at panghahalay… they are like “the blind leading the blind.” Maipasa sana ang RH para sa temporary solusyon ng pagdami ng population sa mga mahihirap… pero hindi ito ang permanenteng solusyon. Si Jesus lang ang solusyon sa lahat ng ating mga problema ng tao. Magkaroon sana ng malawakang honest to goodness Bible Studies sa lahat… not to teach religion but to teach real life with God in Jesus Christ.

  • disqusted0fu

    while these lawmakers, the president, and everyone else who are into politicking focuses on this non-urgent bill, people in parts of Mindanao are dying from the super typhoon. this is the best time for these government officials to do public service for once, set aside politicking first and instead attend to the victims of the typhoon.

  • No Mind

    no matter how moralists opposes rh ideas, the fact that poverty cannot solve by morality, the government has to shoulder its remedy which the church fails to fulfill. prayers cannot solve an evil of hunger when its victim is the 99% of the world populace.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    The question on gays… God created man and woman… nothing in between. Kung alam ng isang lalake sa kanyang puso na siya ay lalake, kahit nagkakaroon siya ng feeling with the same sex pero firm siya sa puso niya na isang lalake at siya ay mahal ng Diyos at hindi kalooban ng Diyos na magkaroon siya ng ganoong feeling na siya ay bakla, hindi niya ito tatanggapin sa puso niya na siya ay bakla… hindi mangyayaring siya ay maging bakla…. Kasinungalingan ito ng Demonyo na ok lang maging bakla at  ok lang magkaroon ng karapatan sa kanyang feeling na maging bakla.  Hindi plano ng Diyos na ang lalake ay maging bakla at ang babae ay maging tomboy… ang gusto ng Demonyo ay sirain ang lahat na matuwid at malinis na plano ng Diyos. Hosea 4:6 is clear, God said, “My people perish or die or face destruction because of their lack of knowledge or ignorance of my plan and how much I love them…” Hindi bigay ng Diyos na parusa sa mga bakla ang HIV… ito ay bunga ng karumihan na gawa ng demonyo sa buhay ng mga ayaw lumagay sa tamang kalalagyan. Ang SEX ay kaloob ng Diyos at ito ay malinis at banal… ito lamang ay para sa mga mag-asawa na. Lumabas ka sa boundary na itinakda ng Diyos, ikaw na ay umalis sa protective covering ng Diyos.

  • entong238

    DON’T WORI RODRIGUEZ, YOU MAYBE OUTNUMBERED THEREAT CONGRESS FATED TO LOSE BUT IN THE EYES OF GOD, YOU ARE ALL THE WINNERS.

    RH BILL IS A DEMONIC LAW SUPPORTED BY NO LESS THAN THE TENTACLES OF THE DEVIL SINCE SAID BILL IS HIS INVENTION IMPLANTED UNTO THE MINDS OF LAGMAN, SANTIAGO, CAYETANO ETAL. SOONER THAN EXPECTED GOD’S WRATH SHALL BEFELL UNTO THEM FOR GROSSLY OPPOSING HIS WORDS “GO MULTIPLY AND FILL THE EARTH”.

    TO RODRIGUEZ AND THE REST WHO ARE LABORIOUSLY  FIGHTING FOR THE NON PASSAGE OF THE DEMONIC BILL, ALL YOUR EFFORTS ARE PLUS EXCLUSIVELY FACTOR FOR YOU IN GOD’S HEART.

  • Garote

    I’ve just read a true story of a buddhist monk who died for 3 days and miraculously came back to life. He saw hell. He was shown his head buddhist, who died in 1983, suffering in hell. Not that he was not good, but because his head buddhist did not believe in Jesus Christ. Well, lucifer will be expecting many bloggers, Phil. congressmen and senators, who are pro RH bill, to go to hell.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Its just a matter of weighing the consequences, its either you’re against fertilization of the egg which is like an ant that was stepped on by a person, or you’re against another child ending up on the streets or in a dumpster.

      For me, considering the number of people that masturbate every minute and the effect it has on society compared to the number of children that are on the streets everyday or found in the dumpsters or abandoned by their parents, I choose to fight for the latter. 

      Not afraid to say that a life that is already born into this world is frankly, much more significant than a possibility of fertilization.

      • Garote

        I say . . .you also will end up in hell with the rest of the pro RH bill advocates. Hope you enjoy the furious fire there.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        As if condemning future generations of children to the streets won’t send you there as well.

        If 5 more women in 5 different families get pregnant and end up having another child that they can’t support, are you willing to take the responsibility in caring for these children rather than see them end up begging on the streets? How about 5 entire families that are expected to experience a strain in their expenses? Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is. God will help them by their faith and give them hope but He cannot put food in their mouths, atleast not alone.

        I have my faith and I chose to side with the children who ARE ALIVE rather than those who may or may not live.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        truly wrong comparison…

        it is not about children who are ALIVE and those yet to live…

        it is about LIFE! you think those who are in the streets are not happy because they are still alive and was given the opportunity to live?

        so you would rather die than to experience life even you are poor?

        there are a lot of ways/solutions to poverty than just merely saying to STOP LIVING!

        get it?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Oh, I get what you mean. But, let’s put your argument to the test.

        If you had a child, and if he/she was happy begging on the streets, would you let him/her do so rather than sleep on a bed, going to school in the mornings, having enough food, etc?

        Again, they may be happy, but what will happen to their future? 

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        if i have the means to put them to school, give them a nice bed to sleep, and have enough food, then why do they need to beg?

        however, if i have no means, then i would rather want them to live and beg in the streets than to see them dead or worse not giving them a chance to live….

        the future is all in our hands if we only strive to become what we want to…

        see the argument? now let us put your principle to a test….

        if you are poor, would you rather want not to have any kids at all? or would you want to see them alive and be with you always (even if you are poor)?

        he he he

      • Garote

        Jake stop imagining things of what would happen. That’s all in your mind only. Stop inventing you own stupid stories about 5 different families begging in the street, etc.  It’s this simple: you want to have the Filipino mothers take the contraceptive pills that are proven to cause cervical and breast cancers; at the same time these pills do kill their unborn babies. Why don’t you do this instead, if you really like the RH bill. You and Congressman Lagman should just let both your mothers, your wives, your sisters, your daughters or all your female relatives take these contraceptive pills and shove them in their throats and let them get the cancers instead.

      • Garote

        Jake stop imagining things of what would happen. That’s all in your mind only. Stop inventing you own stupid stories about 5 different families begging in the street, etc.  It’s this simple: you want to have the Filipino mothers take the contraceptive pills that are proven to cause cervical and breast cancers; at the same time these pills do kill their unborn babies. Why don’t you do this instead, if you really like the RH bill. You and Congressman Lagman should just let both your mothers, your wives, your sisters, your daughters or all your female relatives take these contraceptive pills and shove them in their throats and let them get the cancers instead.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        what a waste of space…..

        he he he

      • Garote

        What are you talking about? You are the one condemning the future generations of children to death by wanting to pass the RH bill to trick the Filipino mothers to take the  cancer-causing contraceptive pills and use life-risking reproductive paraphernalia, all in the guise to help them through their poverty. But your evil intentions are clear. You and the pro-RH bill advocates want to commit genocide on the millions of Filipino mothers and their unborn babies, without the least pity on these poor, hapless innocent souls. If it’s not Lucifer ordering you, who else?

  • jinx

    Rufus Rodriquez is a clown.  He and other clowns like Garcia and Socrates deliberately conspire to stall the voting. If they’re really positive they got the numbers, why keep on delaying it? They already bored people to death with recycled rhetoric all the time.  Buti pa ang clown sa circus, nakakatawa pa. Pero sila, nakakabagot. Sinasayang lang ang pera ng bayan dahil gusto lang dumakdak!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    The Catholics say they are the Church… I say a big no to it because as I read the bible, I can not see the image of the “Church” that Jesus said He will build. They base one argument that God killed Onan because he withdraw his semen when he had sex with his wife … by reason of the death of his brothers, he is now the only hope to continue to line of the family… he resented it and hated God for doing it for why must he shoulder the burden…so he spilled his semen…  take a look at the context.  God “killed” Onan hindi sa pagtapon ng kanyang semen but for wrong motive. The thing is… the catholic church failed to bring Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in the heart of the people… and since Jesus is not in the heart of man, fear of God was never taken root in the heart. Nawala ang tamang pag-iisip ng tao, naging selfish siya… Ang mga lalake dahil iniisip lang ang magpasarap at hindi iniisip ang kapakanan ng magiging mga supling, sige lang ng sige… anak ng anak… si babae naman dahil wala siyang lakas na bawalan ang asawa at sa takot na baka maghanap ng iba, sige na rin. Pulubi na nga at wala ng ipakain at pagpaaral sa mga anak ok lang… sasabihin “bahala na ang Diyos” Kung ang catholic church ay totoong church bakit hindi nito nagawa ang pagtaguyod sa mga tao… The Catholic Church failed to make known to man that Jesus is Lord and God is a loving Father.  Tinakot lang ang mga tao na huwag gumamit ng contraceptive dahil magagalit ang Diyos. Kung ang tao ay naitama ng Diyos ang kanilang pag-iisip, hindi aabot ng ganito.  Kaso hindi ginampanan ng catholic church ang responsibilidad nito.  Mangmang din kasi ito sa katotohanan ng Diyos. Sila ang binabanggit ni Jesus na “mga bulag na nagaakay ng mga bulag na nangahulog sa bangin.” Ituro at ipakilala si Jesus na Panginoon at ang Diyos na mapagmahal para sa lahat may mangyayaring mabuti … Ituro ang Bibliya bilang salita ng Diyos may magandang mangyayari sa tao. RH bill kailangan ng gobyerno sa kanyang pagpapatakbo. . . Ang bawat tao kailangan niya si Jesus… pati mga pari at ang papa at mga cardinal kailangan nila ng personal na pagkilala kay Jesus. 

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      seriously, do not read this guy’s comments. it’s a waste of time…

      • joshmale2004

        It’s not. You just don’t read the Bible.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        coming from a person who supports RH bill, a lot of people will believe you!

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Well I don’t deny the fact that I support the RH Bill. But I’m just here to express my personal views and not to recruit the ANTI RH Bill to reconsider their position. Normally, readers who are commenting here have already decided their choice and nobody can change their positions. Whether this bill will become into law or not, it would not change my belief.If it fails to become a law, we should all respect that. If it will, I hope you could also accept that.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        i hope you can also accept that HELL is for real….

        tsk tsk tsk….

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to success….

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Yes it is real. And I hope you won’t be goping there. Hehehe.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        you are more likely to end up there than me…

        pareng LUCI is already waiting for you there…. you and the other pro RH were a big catch.. he dangled poverty and you guys just opened your mouth wide open…

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        I don’t think so my friend. Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Light.” And God said in His 10 commandments that you should have no other gods before Him. Your church has so many gods whom you pray (saints, idols, statues) when you can pray directly to God. When Jesus said “I am the Way”. This means no other way but direct relationship with him and not thru Saint Patrick, Saint Joseph, Saint Nicholas. So I am confident, you will be more likely going there than me.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        he he he

        as you said, those are saint not Gods….

        you know why are they there? it is because they help guide us on how we should live our lives…

        anyways, now i know where you coming from, you are non-catholic and from the looks of it, you are a protestant….

        i won’t even dwell on changing your belief, but think about it… do you pray to the dead? if you do, then your church is more hyprocrit… at least my church, recognizes that these saints lived their lives to the will of the Lord. and just like His disciples, they are worthy of emulating….

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        You are wrong again. Religion will not save mankind. Only our direct relationship with God will. Saints are not gods but the same idols God is referring to when He commanded you pray direct to Him and not thru anyone including Saints and idols.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        as reply to your last comment below (due to lack of space)….

        nobody said that religion can save you, however, religion can help and guide you to be closer to God….

        see the difference?

        he he he

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAWQCV6E2OFOH2YKTTSLUOKATY Jimenez

      typical burn again… walang magawa kundi tirahin ang Simbahan… insecure lang kayo kasi KULTO kayo, Man-made religion, gawa-gawa ng founder nyo… May anniversary nga kayo di ba? KULTO kasi kayo… Yan, ang tinuturo sa inyo gumawa ng masama sa kapwa.. insultuhin, lait-laitin… Pero sarili ninyo di nyo makita…

      Ang Pastor nyong walang trabaho, umaasa sa 10% tithes… Mandatory ang remitttance kasi mamaatay sa gutom ang pamilya pag walang abuloy… Pang-aral ng anak, abuloy..pang grocery, abuloy… pang-sine, abuloy…

      Kaya nga kayo registered sa SEC kasi BUSINESS ang church nyo, may TIN pa nga kayo di ba? Kasi ang main purpose nyan magpayaman ang Founder nyo.. KULTO!

      Para makagamit ng Condom, tinitwist ang message ng Bible..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    The question on gays… God created man and woman… nothing in between. Kung alam ng isang lalake sa kanyang puso na siya ay lalake, kahit nagkakaroon siya ng feeling with the same sex pero firm siya sa puso niya na isang lalake at siya ay mahal ng Diyos at hindi kalooban ng Diyos na magkaroon siya ng ganoong feeling na siya ay bakla, hindi niya ito tatanggapin sa puso niya na siya ay bakla… hindi mangyayaring siya ay maging bakla…. Kasinungalingan ito ng Demonyo na ok lang maging bakla at  ok lang magkaroon ng karapatan sa kanyang feeling na maging bakla.  Hindi plano ng Diyos na ang lalake ay maging bakla at ang babae ay maging tomboy… ang gusto ng Demonyo ay sirain ang lahat na matuwid at malinis na plano ng Diyos. Hosea 4:6 is clear, God said, “My people perish or die or face destruction because of their lack of knowledge or ignorance of my plan and how much I love them…” Hindi bigay ng Diyos na parusa sa mga bakla ang HIV… ito ay bunga ng karumihan na gawa ng demonyo sa buhay ng mga ayaw lumagay sa tamang kalalagyan. Ang SEX ay kaloob ng Diyos at ito ay malinis at banal… ito lamang ay para sa mga mag-asawa na. Lumabas ka sa boundary na itinakda ng Diyos, ikaw na ay umalis sa protective covering ng Diyos. Basahin ang buong Romans 1 … Because of their hard headedness, God gave them up…. mahal sila ng Diyos pero dahil sa pagpupumilit na ok lang sila sa ganung buhay… sinabi na ng Diyos… sumige kayo sa gusto niyo…

    • Jomex

      “God created man and woman… nothing in between…”

      that would be true if you can prove that god exist. if he does, then this world will be a sh&thole for gays, so whats the point of believing?

      • joshmale2004

        Are you an Atheist?

      • Jomex

        yes! proud of it!

        You are a Theist!

      • joshmale2004

        Then i hope you won’t be sorry for it and I pray, you don’t go into the fire pit if you don’t believe in hell either.

      • Jomex

        typical hateful Christian! im sure you say that to all those people who don’t believe in your imaginary god.
        the muslims think your going to muslim hell, how do you respond to that?

      • Jomex

        then i will be in good company! i will meet einstein, mark twain and russell.

  • kilabot

    want it 25% faster like the hiv/aids virus?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SEM643C6KD4SXI6EATE4GXLMEU Jose

    The lazy/sloth president’s argument on it, is that, “Go on pass the bill, let us suspend,directly or indirectly the population growth of those perceived to be ‘CANT AFFORD’…I can’t come up with the idea on how to uplift the economy…I’m just riding on to the growth of 7% due to the heavy dollar inflow on remittances (that keep the economy stable).  The FDI is not coming as expected, I can’t take it anymore…”
    Hahahahahaha!  Buti pa ang mga Koala bears, kahit di marunong mag-sex, tinuturuan pa…pati mga “engangered species…PERO KAYONG MAHIHIRAP MAG-PILLS NA LANG KAYO AT MAG-CONDOM AT ISIPIN NIYO WALA KAYONG KARAPATAN MAG-ANAK NG ANAK…MAHAL NA NGAYON, OY (MUNGKAHI NG MGA NOYNOYING).  KASI, SA ISIP NIYA, ANG MAHIRAP, NAGHIHIRAP DAHIL TAMAD! 
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  Mantakin niyo yan, ang presidente mo ganyan mag-isip!
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    • joshmale2004

      May sinabi bang ganyang argument ang Presidente?

  • http://www.ofwsinhongkong.wordpress.com/ pinoysahongkong2012

    Rufus Rodriguez and other RH bill opponents should be stripped of their annual MULTI million peso development funds.
    They’re morons anyway who fail to see what will benefit the vast majority of our people.
    They should instead knock on the doors of the catholic church for money.
    It’s very disgusting reading about the garbage being spewed by politicians like Rodriguez and leaders of the catholic church which is repeatedly hit by a spate of disgraceful sex scandals.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      and you should be stripped of your brain because you do not know how to use it…

      he he he

      • Jomex

        ad hominem is the last ditch defense of the losing side…

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        spamming is the key to success….

        he he he

      • http://www.ofwsinhongkong.wordpress.com/ pinoysahongkong2012

         Is your brain in your butt?

        Hardly surprising! bwahahhahahahhaha!

        Coz you have eyes but you fail to see harsh realities around us.

        What’s wrong giving our compatriots a choice of the number of children they wish to have?

        Oh, well. Hard to expect anything logical from moronic bunch — including you! bwahahahah!!

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        what??? are you out of your mind???

        “What is wrong giving our compatriots a choice of the number of children they wish to have?” – pinoysahongkong2012

        for your information and food for your brain, they were not barred by any Law in the country for doing such a thing, moronic dumbo! =) there are 2 choices, one is natural family planning and the other is abstinence….

        are you drunk??? bwahahahahaha

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    If Rodriguez and Garcia are up for re-election, the rational side of the country really needs to start a campaign against those two morons.

    For all the bleating about a Catholic vote, let’s see if the poor are smart enough to realize when someone is trying to hold them back.

  • joshmale2004

    Whether the RH Bill will be passed into a Law on this Chamber or the next, or may not even be passed at all, it may not matter anyway as the effect of the bill is not also immediate. If it becomes a law, it will take years or generations before we can say it succeeded or not. Let the opposers in congress and the senate express their views and amendments until a perfect RH Bill is achieved that all of the PRO and ANTI Congressmen and Senators could agree to. If the delaying tactics of the ANTI Congressmen will lead to a revised and acceptable Bill where everyone in the chamber will unite to pass instead of bringing divisiveness, then let it be. We can wait. As the scholars say, “Haste makes Waste”.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      finally, you are seeing the Light!

      I congratulate you… never too late to change your position….

      he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Nope. I am still pro RH Bill. That has been my position from the beginning. If approved, good. If not, I will accept and respect the will of the majority but will not change my position. That’s also my position from the beginning. Very different from you that you recognize only NO and not open to accept the will of the majority. We are very different in all aspects pre.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        okay…. for a moment i was already so happy for you…

        again, just think about it and no real harm has been committed in case you change your mind….

        again, HELL is for real, my friend….

      • joshmale2004

        Don’t worry pre. RH Bill is not about who’s going to hell or heaven. Only Jesus will judge who will and will not. And not us mankind who will render that judgment.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        WRONG TEACHING AGAIN!

        You will be judged by what you have done on Earth!

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        It’s about time you read the Bible and accept Jesus as your personal saviour.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        wrong again, it is about time you do what you read…

        reading will not save you but rather living and doing what you read in the Bible will save you….

        but i won’t blame you, because protestants are always told to read the bible so they can be saved… so they all read the bible but acts differently…

        remember? RH is acceptable for you? sexual intercourse is to satisfy a partner not to pro-create?

        sounds conflicting? read again!

        he he he

      • joshmale2004

        Wrong again. It’s about time you read the Bible so you will know if what you are doing on earth is the will of God as written in the Bible. 

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        One thing I am dead sure of…

        that sexual intercourse’s natural law is to pro-create not to merely satisfy one’s partner….

        because if not, then mother mary could not have been called “virgin” mother mary….

        she should have satisfied Joseph all night long….

        he he he….

      • joshmale2004

        I told you. Read the bible verses I sent you my friend. You don’t even know why the Catholic named her Virgin Mother Mary. For sure it’s not about sexuality even if you ask your priests.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        again due to lack of space… let me reply to your last comment….

        you said, “you do not know why the catholic named her Virgin Mother Mary?”

        are you saying that she was not a virgin? is that the teaching of your church?

        tsk tsk tsk….

      • joshmale2004

        Did I say she was not a virgin? Read again my friend. I was asking you if you know why she was called virgin mary.

      • joshmale2004

        Mas maganda basahin mo mga to sa Bibliya tungkol sa marriage sex para hindi na ako ang magpaliwanag: Genesis 2:24, Leviticus 18:19, Genesis 1:27 at 1 Corinto 6:18. Dahan dahan ka sa paghawak ng Bibliya baka masunog ka. Hehehe.

    • brunogiordano

      “Iif the delaying tactics of the ANTI Congressmen will lead to a revised and acceptable Bill where everyone in the chamber will unite to pass instead of bringing divisiveness, then let it be”

      Ang chamber ay hindi maguunite sa RH.

      Hayaan magbotohan na, ng makita natin kung sino ang mananalo at gaano ang pagkakati ng mga congressman.

    • artz555

      The best way to find out what  the real numbers are on PH population, we can refer to the PH Census figures from 1960 to 2010 from Wikipedia, ( Philipinne Demographics ) as follows :

      Year               PH  Population                      Increase in Population every 10 years

      1960                27,087,685         
      —————————————————————————- 9,597,263         
      1970                36,684,948
       ————————————————————————– 11,413,512
      1980                48,098,460
      —————————————————————————- 12,604,746
      1990                60,703,206 
      —————————————————————————- 15,800,871                
      2000                76,504,077                  
      —————————————————————————–15,832,985
      2010                92,337,852                                      

       The figures above show that the increase in population every 10 years jumped from 11.4 million from 1970 to 1980 to 15.8 million in the decades from 1990 to 2000 and from 2000 to 2010. 

      And you could average about a 1 million increase in population from 1960 to 1980 just before the family planning program started in PH. From then on, even with the family planning program, the country had an average annual increase of 1.26 million people from 1980 to 1990, a 1.58 million average increase of people annually to 2000, all the way to 2010. That’s a really a big increase annually for everyone concerned. If it is not , I don’t know what is.

      If Congress does not know this figures yet, somebody should inform them immediately, especially the anti-RH people from Rep. Rufus Rodriguez and down the line. Looking at this, at this moment, delaying the passage of the RH bill is not right, or PH will have another 1.58 million people increase next year, if nothing is done. Remember the last census was in 2010. So 2 years to 2012, the PH population already grew 3 million people to 95 million. No wonder DSWD said their measurements of the poor has not changed ; maybe it’s getting worse.

      Also, from the figures you can see that the population doubled in 25 years from 27 million in 1970 to around at 54 million in 1985. The population could double again in 30 years or so from 54 million people to in 1985 to 108 million people in 2020, or earlier. Also, if nothing substantial work is done, theoretically, the population could double again in 35 years from 108 million people in 2020 to 216 million people in 2052 or so.
        
      So please tell your representatives in Congress about the figures above and have them pass an RH bill in this last sessions, and next year maybe too late.

      • joshmale2004

        I am sorry but what you are trying to imply is that we disregard rules of law and rules of procedure just to impose our will on the majority. Don’t get me wrong. I am also an advocate for the RH Bill but I do not agree that by imposing our will on the entire system, we have to shortcut procedures. Be aware that as much as we need the RH Bill, there is also a segment in our society who do not want or do not understand the way we do. In a democratic system, majority is the name of the game although majority does not always guarantee that they are right. However, it is more dangerous if because of what we deem is right, we do shortcut on our Rules of procedures. This could become a precedent and can eventually lead to the breakdown of our democratic system. On this premise, I am sorry but I do not conform to resorting to dictatorship behavior in imposing what we like.

      • artz555

        Please see my reply also way up there. And thanks for your comments, good or not so good.

      • joshmale2004

        Yes. I really appreciate your facts presented. And actually I have also started using your figures in my other comments on other news. I hope you don’t mind me using it.

      • artz555

        No problem Joshmale2004, you can use my figures anytime. If the numbers would be helpful to inform more people about the real facts around the RH bill, by all means use them.

      • joshmale2004

        Hi Artz555. I just want also to share you the figures I’ve discovered. You may have a use for it. As of 2010,Philippines has 94M in population with the following breakdown.
        Age Bracket                    Population                    Percent      status
        0 –  9                               21,355                           22.72       dependent
        10   –  19                         19,405                           20.64        dependent  
        20   –   49                         39,890                           42.40       adult (work force????) 
        50  –    64                          9,291                            9.9          adult (work force/retirees????)
        65   –   79                          3,449                            3.7          semi dependent
        80 above                              610                            0.7          semi dependent
           I ask our readers. What can you see in this data? Combined dependent population including babies is 43% which is almost half of our entire population. Adults of which I don’t know how many are employed or income earners (any data contribution will be appeciated guys) comprise 42.4% and middle age comprise about 4.4%. Assuming all of the 42.4% are working and income generators, how will they feed their dependents belonging to 43% and 4.4% of the population. What more with the entire 100% population. I will not make conclusions here but you readers can discern what will happen in the next years when more babies are produced and the work force is diminished?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Condoms for life boat, said Pnoy

  • mangtom

    bsf–first of all. I question your initials. This type of initials should be enough to cause a calamity in our country. Why? BS ka na F pa. Your parents were right in giving you these initials. 

    Second: kung marunong kang magbasa, punta ka sa library at basahin mo ang Philiosphy 101 para matuto ka ng valid argumentation. Yun lang kagaya mong ignorante ang maniniwala sa sinasabi mo. Please spare us your stupidity. 

    How do you know that it is not the stupidity of the sex perverts at CBCP ang cause ng natural calamities dito sa Pinas. Baka sinabi ni papa mo sa Vatican yan kaya na brainwash ka na naman.

    Please no more of this kind of fallacious arguments. Remember, not all people participating in this forum are of low IQ like you. Daig ka pa ng fifth grader.

    Do us a favor: remember what the farmer said to the dead horse-no more sh#t out of you.

  • brunogiordano

    “Rodriguez was confident that the RH bill would eventually be defeated via a 136-95 vote.”

    What are you waiting for???

    Botohan na agad.

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      they are waiting for the termination of the “period of amendments”….

      tigil mo na yang RA RA RA na ugali mo ha…. magbago ka na….

      tsk tsk tsk…..

    • joshmale2004

      It’s better that they take the vote on the next chamber and after next year’s election. Rufus’ prediction might be right as most re electionists would not want to lose the “sagradong katoliko” votes. If we push now the voting, we might be disappointed. If you want a sure win for the bill, wait for the next chamber after the election. In every battle, its okay to retreat for the mean time and wait for the right moment to advance. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Bluff to further delay.

      • joshmale2004

        Actually, the delaying tactics of the ANTI Congressmen might even work for the passage of the Bill after election. I am confident, once this ANTI RH Bill Congressmen gets re-elected, they will change their position to PRO in the next chamber. It’s very evident that their delaying tactics are not because they don’t want the RH bill but for election purposes as they do not want to get the ire of the “sagradong katoliko” voters.

      • boldyak

        for sure i will not vote for anybody who will give the tax i paid sa mga irresponsableng manyakis na hindi makabili ng condoms

      • joshmale2004

        Fair enough. You 1 vote won’t matter anyway.

      • filipinaskoh

        The Catholic does not practice block voting and the Church leaders does not have that power to influence votes. Another thing there are more Catholics who favor RHbill and one thing for sure, somehow, Catholics had use contraceptives. Just like GMA she is against RHbill and all her cohorts in the congress( they strongly oppose RHBILL) and yet she USED CONTRACEPTIVES to plan her family. They knew so well the need of RHbill but just being hypocrite and pretend to be godly.

      • SignTheWaiverNow

        just ask your beloved yellow zombies to ask PENOY to make this bill URGENT!

        dami pang satsat…..

        tsk tsk tsk…..

      • chibert jala

        “Another thing there are more Catholics who favor RH bill” 

        valid sources please or this claim is a mere hearsay.

      • joshmale2004

        On issues like this, believe me, it is better to be wise and resort to strategies than using presumptions. These ANTI RH Bill Congressmen represent their own constituents and believe me, they have the ways and means to check the sentiments of their constituents while we do not have this capacity. So for me, the nearest presumption I can conclude is that they are ANTI RH right now not because they are fighting for morality. They have this position because of the coming election and they have already conducted their own surveys on their constituents and their parishes. Lastly, even if we are the majority on this issue and really need this bill (check my previous comments), we are a democratic society and we have existing rules of procedures. We can not just waylay every ANTI RH Bill and impose our will. If we do, this is tyranny and not democratic and in the long run, this can become a precent that will lead to breakdown of our system.I hope you get and understand my point and personal view.

      • artz555

        Please see also my reply way below.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CBBPG4SGSURB5V5A5BBQX4HF2Y Peter

    for opposing RH Bill, Congressman Rufus Rodriguez will surely go to heave, but since he is not a Muslim, he could not enjoy more than 50 virgins at his disposal, he will just stay in the clouds play or frolic in the clouds playing with a harp, and sex is forbidden. and its too late for him to realize that what a mistake he had committed for blindly obeying the CBCP.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Voting, if possible, should be by secret ballot

  • palakasantayo

    These anti RH Bill including members of CBCP are sadists, they rather see the population explosion controlled by calamities rather than being pro-active. Another blow to the poor and overpopulated areas of the Campovesta Valley. Do you think they’ll go there and help? no way…. siguro sabi nila… sige malipol na kayo diyan para mabawasan ang hirap dito sa Pinas.

    • Miguel

      Sorry but your comments betray your gross ignorance about the Catholic Church.  The Catholic Church in the Philippines, led by CBCP, is Pro-Life and does not want anyone to die in any calamity. In fact, following the directives of CBCP, parish churches throughout the country led the Catholic faithful in praying the oratio imperata for deliverance from calamities during masses every Sunday.  In any calamity, the Church is among the first to extend their help and resources. Parish churches are even used as shelters and evacuation centers for victims.  Don’t you know that the Catholic Church is the biggest charitable organization in the world?  

      Please next time, do a little research and STOP making stupid comments here.

      • palakasantayo

        I don’t have to do any research at all, I am basing my comment on personal experience over the last 55 years. I am a catholic educated in a catholic high school and catholic university and I do believe I have enough knowledge and experience to say what I want to say. Yes, this is the first time that the catholic church came out to offer this kind of assistance. Yes, I agree with you that the catholic church opened their facilities to accommodate calamity victims but, I have not heard that they opened their coffer to support these victims. The catholic church registered as business organization with a charitable status sends their collected money to vatican but, I have not heard or seen vatican sending anything back to help the needy. This vatican is a one-way/selfish organization, it only collect money but never give out any money. That’s why vatican treasury is tainted with all kinds of anomalies. They have sooo much money coming in and they don’t know what to do with it. Do you know that during the vietnam war, vatican was one and probably still is one of the biggest investors in General Dynamic a company that manufactures war machines and armament to kill people? This initiative launched by CBCP is a publicity stunt becuse their following, teaching and practise are on the chopping block.

  • joshmale2004

    To Arts555. I am sorry but what you are trying to imply is that we disregard rules of law and rules of procedure just to impose our will on the majority. Don’t get me wrong. I am also an advocate for the RH Bill but I do not agree that by imposing our will on the entire system, we have to shortcut procedures. Be aware that as much as we need the RH Bill, there is also a segment in our society who do not want or do not understand the way we do. In a democratic system, majority is the name of the game although majority does not always guarantee that they are right. However, it is more dangerous if because of what we deem is right, we do shortcut on our Rules of procedures. This could become a precedent and can eventually lead to the breakdown of our democratic system. On this premise, I am sorry but I do not conform to resorting to dictatorship behavior in imposing what we like.

    • artz555

      Joshmale2004, if people are disappointed at the statistics and facts that I have presented, that’s fine and good. I am just presenting what the facts are in the real world, and what’s  out there, if they don’t know them yet  If people do not believe in my comments/suggestions and/or may not realize the consequences later, ( good or bad ), that’s all fine and good too. There are probably worst people here in this forum who try to impose their will, and/or beliefs on others, without any basis whatsoever, or supporting facts to prove the things that they are pushing. So everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, and anybody can reject and/or disprove an opinion, or agree with an opinion. This forum is just a good example of a real democracy in action.

      That’s just how I am too, an emotional person, when I really believe in something. 
      The figures that I have presented are also just a confirmation of what the majority of Filipinos has repeatedly spoken in most surveys, they want an RH bill passed in Congress. If some people and some members of Congress do not believe in them and the surveys, that’s fine and good too.

      • joshmale2004

        Rest assured that until this bill becomes a law,, you, me and all the others who believe in the good benefits for the Filipino family especially the poorest of the poor will not stop posting and sharing with the public what we perceive is right. Who knows before the next Congress, these congressmen who are on the wrong side of the bed will wake up and find out reality is they have to concede to the will of the majority.

      • joshmale2004

        Gauging by the majority’s rejection of the amendments by ANTI RH Bill Congressmen which off course an obvious tactic to delay the proceeding and freeze the voting, this is an indication that the RH Bill will pass on the final reading and will win the votes to become a law. YES TO RH BILL. (check the latest headline on the RH Bill).

  • E Rigby

    Leave it to the Philippine Congress to debate an issue to death.  No sense of urgency at all.  It’s also sad and frustrating to see how a bunch of old men seems to think that they possess the wisdom to tell a woman what to do with her baby.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HANGANG NGAYON NAG TATALO PARIN KAYO IPASA NA KASI ANG R.H BILL MALAY NINYO PAG DATING NG PANAHON MAGING NEW ZEALAND AT SUWITZERLAND TAYO MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO EH DI WALA PATAY GUTOM SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI ANG BATANG HUBO PALABOY LABOY SA LABAS NG SIMBAHAN DI LANG YUN SANTAMBAK ANG ISNATCHER AT NAG TITINDA NG PAMPALAG LAG WALANG YANG MGA ALAGAD NG MGA CBCP BISHOP KATOLIBAN DI BA NILA NAKIKTA YAN OO NGA PALA TANGA” NGA PALA ANG MGA PARING ITO DAPAT BILHAN NI CARNIVAL TAGLE NG DAMIT ANG MGA BLESING SA KARSADA HUBO GINAGAMIT LANG NIYA ANG ABULOY SA PAMAMASYAL SA ROMA NA ALAM NMN NATING BATAS NA R.H BILL SA ROMA OO NGA PALA SA VATICAN DI PA BATAS YAN DUN BINIBILANG ANG ABULOY NG MGA OBISPO” TERRORISTA TALIBAN

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    Sino naman ang matutuwa kung ang mga naturingang tagapagturo ng salita ng Diyos ay sasabihin “Kaya nasalanta ang mga dinaanan ng bayong Pablo – maraming namatay, maraming nasugatan, maraming nawala, maraming nasirang ariarian ay sa kadahilanan na nagwarning na ang Diyos para sa pagpasa ng RH Bill. Na nagagalit ang Diyos dahil sa kagustuhan ng nakakakarami na maipasa ang RH Bill.” Hindi ba isang pananakot ito na gagamitin pa ang Diyos para maisulong ang gusto. Ang masama ay ipinapakilala nila ang Diyos na makapaminsala, magalitin, pumapatay na Diyos? Kaya nga ganito ang bayan natin dahil hindi nila ipinakilala ang Diyos na Siya ay mabuting Ama, mapagmahal, mapagtiis at matuwid na Amang Diyos. Kayo bang mga magulang gusto niyo bang patayin na lang ang inyong anak o putulan siya ng paa para lang matuto o para sumunod sa gusto mo? Kung ganun na lang ang pagkilala natin sa Diyos na para matuto tayo – kailangan tayong parusahan muna, patayin ang ibang walang muwang para lang matuto. . . hindi nga natin Siya matutunang mahalin. Kung alam mo at nararamdaman mo ang pagmamahal ng Tatay mo sa kahit anong situwasyon.. na kahit nakagawa ka ng kasalanan ramadam mo pa rin ang kanyang pagmamahal, hindi ka ba magagalak na maipakita mo rin siyang mahal mo rin siya… gustohin mo nang gawin o sundin ang kalooban Niya… hindi mo na kailangan utusan ka… aalamin mo ang makakapagpasaya sa Kanya at gawin mo ito na may pagmamahal.  Kung ganito ang pananaw natin sa buhay, hindi natin kailangan ang batas para tayo maging matuwid.  Pagmamahal sa Diyos na umaapaw papunta sa kapwa tao kasama ng lahat Niyang nilikha ang kailangan natin.  Kilalanin natin si Jesus para makilala natin din Ang  Ama… at pag nakilala natin ang Diyos sa pamamgitan ni Jesus, dadaloy ang buhay na ito sa atin. Si Jesus ang susi ng lahat.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

    Sino naman ang matutuwa kung ang mga naturingang tagapagturo ng salita ng Diyos ay sasabihin “Kaya nasalanta ang mga dinaanan ng bayong Pablo – maraming namatay, maraming nasugatan, maraming nawala, maraming nasirang ariarian ay sa kadahilanan na nagwarning na ang Diyos para sa pagpasa ng RH Bill. Na nagagalit ang Diyos dahil sa kagustuhan ng nakakakarami na maipasa ang RH Bill.” Hindi ba isang pananakot ito na gagamitin pa ang Diyos para maisulong ang gusto. Ang masama ay ipinapakilala nila ang Diyos na makapaminsala, magalitin, pumapatay na Diyos? Kaya nga ganito ang bayan natin dahil hindi nila ipinakilala ang Diyos na Siya ay mabuting Ama, mapagmahal, mapagtiis at matuwid na Amang Diyos. Kayo bang mga magulang gusto niyo bang patayin na lang ang inyong anak o putulan siya ng paa para lang matuto o para sumunod sa gusto mo? Kung ganun na lang ang pagkilala natin sa Diyos na para matuto tayo – kailangan tayong parusahan muna, patayin ang ibang walang muwang para lang matuto. . . hindi nga natin Siya matutunang mahalin. Kung alam mo at nararamdaman mo ang pagmamahal ng Tatay mo sa kahit anong situwasyon.. na kahit nakagawa ka ng kasalanan ramadam mo pa rin ang kanyang pagmamahal, hindi ka ba magagalak na maipakita mo rin siyang mahal mo rin siya… gustohin mo nang gawin o sundin ang kalooban Niya… hindi mo na kailangan utusan ka… aalamin mo ang makakapagpasaya sa Kanya at gawin mo ito na may pagmamahal.  Kung ganito ang pananaw natin sa buhay, hindi natin kailangan ang batas para tayo maging matuwid.  Pagmamahal sa Diyos na umaapaw papunta sa kapwa tao kasama ng lahat Niyang nilikha ang kailangan natin.  Kilalanin natin si Jesus para makilala natin din Ang  Ama… at pag nakilala natin ang Diyos sa pamamgitan ni Jesus, dadaloy ang buhay na ito sa atin. Si Jesus ang susi ng lahat.  

  • Garote

    What are you talking about? You are the one condemning the future generations of children to death by wanting to pass the RH bill to trick the Filipino mothers to take the  cancer-causing contraceptive pills and use life-risking reproductive paraphernalias, all in the guise to help them through their poverty. But your evil intentions are clear. You and the pro-RH bill advocates want to commit genocide on the millions of Filipino mothers and their unborn babies, without the least pity on these poor, hapless innocent souls. If it’s not Lucifer ordering you, who else?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AF7B2TTCZW54CT6NRH2SMKI5VE Jun

      Is RH Bill mainly for contraceptives… If only the so called religious leaders even like you have taken vigorous steps to make Jesus as Lord and Christ the Savior for all, maybe we have not reach this situation.  The poorest of the poor continue to bear more children where only God knows to become poorer to go to the street to beg and become instruments of crime lords. . . galit ka… bakit… do you have a good solution to this… the only solution here for me is make Jesus as Lord and saviour… this is the only solution the government knows… do you have any solution… The catholic church failed in her duty to lead her people to fear of God and to have a Godly wisdom… the catholic church must now shut their mouth… with RH and No RH Bill, this nation will be filled with poor people who have no education and will have no jobs to feed their own mouth. RH or No RH corrupt people will be more corrupt… immoral people will become more immoral, man will be more educated sinners… I would like to believe if you will get the survey, 100% of these people are catholics… galit ka.. take the survey… go to the streets and ask what is the religion of those kids… catholics…. 10 years ago there are less people in the street begging… and who are they…

      • Garote

        Jun little knowledge is dangerous. You don’t even know that the globalist bankers in connivance with corrupt politicians are the ones who are making our country and people poor by design. All the other countries are also victims of the evil, deceitful bankers’ design to economically bankrupt them so that they can control the wealth of all nations. You are  really a SUCKER blaming it on the church when it has nothing to do with the country’s poverty. Don’t let your mother regret the day you were born.

      • Garote

        You are harsh in criticizing and insulting the church, throwing even the dirty sink at them for just wanting to protect the morality of the Filipinos, I believe you must be at the side of Lucifer — the symbol of death and moral decadence. Why don’t you show us how you lick the feet of your master, Lucifer. Do you do it with his boots on?

    • Garote

      GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY FROM EUGENIC POLITICIANS LIKE LAGMAN AND CAYETANO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN CARNIVAL TAGLE TERRORIST AND ITS ALLY’ TONGRESMAN

    • SignTheWaiverNow

      Be afraid! Pacquiao just suffered a lost due to changing in religion, as per Mommy D….

      Never Mock God’s Church…. Like I told everyone here, the solution to poverty is not RH bill but productivity, education, innovations, and a lot more….

      FEAR GOD my friend!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    PENOY HENYO!! MAY UTAK PO BA SI BISHOPS AT YUNG MGA ASO NIYA” MERON!! GAGAMUNGGO!

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