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Don’t rush RH debates, bishops urge lawmakers

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Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle. AP FILE PHOTO

Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle and several bishops on Tuesday urged members of the House of Representatives “not to unduly rush” the debates on the reproductive health (RH) bill.

In a statement, Tagle and the bishops of the ecclesiastical province of Manila also called on the lawmakers to uphold “transparency” in the debates and the voting on the proposed law.

“We are appealing to the honorable representatives to give ample time to the deliberations and discernment and not to unduly rush them,” the prelates said.

“We also appeal to them to conduct the deliberations and decision with transparency through nominal voting and respect for the diversity of views,” they added.

Aside from Tagle, the bishops who signed the statement included Gabriel Reyes of Antipolo, Honesto Ongtioco of Cubao, Deogracia Iniguez of Caloocan, Antonio Tobias of Novaliches, Jesse Mercado of Parañaque, Mylo Hubert Vergara of Pasig, Leo Drona of San Pablo, Pedro Arigo of Puerto Princesa, Edgardo Juanich of Taytay and Leopoldo Tumulak of the military.

Bishops’ meeting

 

The other signatories were Manila Auxiliary Bishops Bernardino Cortez and Broderick Pabillo, Antipolo Auxiliary Bishop Francisco de Leon and the diocesan administrator of Imus Fr. George Morales.

Reyes, chairman of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines-Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said that while Malolos Bishop Jose Oliveros had yet to sign the statement, he also supported it.

He said Tagle and the bishops came out with the statement after their pre-Christmas meeting yesterday.

“The bishops are saying ‘please don’t hurry this bill because it’s a very important bill. Let there be more discussions because it will have a very big impact on the country in the long run,’” Reyes said.

He said the vote was going to be close in both the Senate and House of Representatives, with the pro-RH camp having an eight-vote lead in the House.

“It’s small and there are many congressmen against the RH bill who were not present. It can go either way,” he said.

Testing the ties

 

Reyes said he had hoped President Aquino would change his mind about supporting the RH bill after he attended the thanksgiving Mass for the canonization of St. Pedro Calungsod and the elevation of Tagle to the College of Cardinals.

“I was really praying and hoping that he’d change his mind regarding the RH bill but he didn’t. What can we do?” Reyes said.

He said the Church’s relationship with the Aquino administration would “suffer” if the RH bill were passed.

“Of course, the Church will be very sad about it but it doesn’t mean there will be war. I’m sure it will suffer but it will not be broken,” Reyes said.

Despite a nudge from the President, a final vote on the RH bill is facing delay in the House after opponents of the measure said they would make line-by-line changes and ask for a lengthy nominal vote on each proposal, when the period of amendments resumed on Monday night.

The bill’s main sponsor, Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman, said House leaders should end the amendment period if the “dilatory antics” continued, so the lawmakers could move on to the vote.

At the present pace, a vote on second reading is unlikely this week, said Majority Floor Leader Neptali Gonzales II, who wished that President Aquino would certify the bill as urgent to expedite its progress on the floor.

Leading the amendments charge are Cebu Rep. Pablo Garcia and Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez.

President’s request

 

Until the amendment period is over, the bill cannot be put to a vote on second reading this week, which is what Mr. Aquino asked for when he met lawmakers over lunch on Monday.

When the session ended Monday night, the House was still discussing amendments on page 2 of the 27-page bill.

The House voted 91-75 Monday to reject a Garcia amendment to limit the state’s guarantee of the basic right to reproductive health to married people, instead of providing this to “all people.”

Earlier that day, the House voted 98-90 to reject Palawan Rep. Dennis Socrates’ motion to deliver a speech condemning the acceptance of the substitute bill as the new version of the reproductive health measure. Socrates made his appeal when the privilege hour was over.

On a side issue, Reyes said the Catholic Church should not be blamed for the steep rise in HIV infections in the Philippines.

Reyes noted that HIV infections in the country were rising among men having sex with men, who were not exactly known for following the Church’s teachings against same-sex relations.

Ineffective condoms

 

He also said condoms were not effective in preventing the spread of HIV because they had “holes” big enough for the virus to pass through. The World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Population Fund and the Joint UN Program on HIV/AIDS have disputed this.

“With all due respect (to the gay community), HIV is increasing among homosexuals or men who have sex with men. I’m sure if they are having sex with men, they don’t follow the rules of the Church,” Reyes said in a Church forum in Intramuros, Manila.

“I’m sure they are using condoms. If you follow the Church, you will not be using condoms. This threat among them is the highest,” he said.

“They will not mind the teaching of the Church, the main teaching against same-sex intercourse,” he added.

No solution to AIDs

 

Reyes made the statements after former Health Secretary Alfredo Romualdez said HIV infections increased in the Philippines after the Arroyo administration stopped distributing free condoms due to pressure from the Church.

But Reyes said distributing condoms would not solve the problem of AIDS/HIV in the country.

“It was proven in Africa (that distributing condoms) does not by itself solve the problem of AIDS. In the long run, it’s really abstinence, being faithful and self control,” Reyes said.

The WHO, UNFPA, and UNAIDS have disputed the Church claim that condoms have holes big enough for the HIV virus to pass through.


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  • mangtom

    You bishops, stay out of this matter. Sobra na kayo sa pakikialam sa bagay na hindi kayo concerned. Out, out, out. Get the he#l out. Stay in your convent. If I could only throw tomatoes at you, I would do it. This is government business, not Vatican business. In other words, this in none of your business, so bug off. 

    Take care of your own priests who molest young men. That is your function as priests-no more politics. No tax payment, no sawsaw sa politica.

    OUT, OUT, OUT.

    PASS THE RH BILL

  • quirinomayer

    Padre Damaso and his puppets and fanatics in Congress at their  worst. But thank God  Cong. Lagman and the other intrepid warriors for the RH Bill and for the good of the nation are not daunted but holding on.

    Go go go Cong. Lagman and company! Go go go RH Bill!

  • filipinaskoh

    “to give ample time to the deliberations and discernment and not to unduly rush” – Cardinal Tagle
    WHATTTTTTTTT????????????

    For 10 years the RHBILL is just sitting in one corner of the Senate and Congress – it is just now under PNOY regime that it was given a center seat and greater attention, NOW you want it to be buried in oblivion?

    FOR 10 LONGGGGGGGGGG YEARS 
     - If you only DID what you are suppose to do as PRELATES and lead the people to morality – then no need to distribute free condoms to stop the spread of HIV virus.

    - If you only DID your DUTY as leaders of communities then the NATURAL METHOD you are WAVING could have worked, and the population would not have grown by 17.54 million in a period of almost 11 years  (77.31 million in 2000- 94.852 million in 2011).

    WHERE ARE YOU WHEN THE POPULATION IS GROWING TREMENDOUSLY?

    HOW are you going to support the 17.54 million increased in population- in terms of EDUCATION, HEALTH BENEFITS, HOUSING and the most important FOOD? Don’t  say it’s the duty of the Government to provide EMPLOYMENT to meet the above needs – THE BIGGEST PROBLEM the resources are no longer in proportion with the population.

    WHERE ARE YOU WHEN YOUR PEOPLE NEEDS YOUR MORAL AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT?

  • Hey_Dudes

    C ertified B unch of C razy P edophiles I think is the latest to hit the broadway songs. Somewhere in the middle of it all is nothing but  more  of the same cckkrapp from this bunch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JN4J26VGRK2JMS53BS3AJFUQTI Martin C

      C ertified B unch of C razy P edophiles ? He he he Brilliant.!!! That was hilarious. Just made my morning. Thanks mate.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    KAYONG MGA PILIPINO WAG PAKALAT KALAT ANG MGA BLESING NINYO WALA PANG DAMIT SABIHAN NINYO SI CARNIBAL TAGLE IBILI NG DAMIT MGA BATANG ISNATCHER WAG NINYO NAKAWAN ANG SIMBAHAN NG ABULOY KAYA PINALAGYAN NA NAMIN NG CCTVS CAMERA ANG LOOB AT LABAS NG SIMBAHAN BUTI PA MANOOD NALANG KAYO NG EAT BULAGA NG MALIMUSAN KAYO NI TITO SOTTO AT SABIHAN NINYO ANG NANAY NINYO NA MAG SIMBA AT LAKIHAN ANG ABULOY NG MAKAPAMASYAL ULIT SI CARNIBAL TAGLE SA ROMA AT NG MABILANG ANG ABULOY SA VATICAN TINGNAN MO SI CARNIBAL TAGLE NGISING DEMONYO” SAYA SAYA WALANG BUWIS NG GOBYERNO!! FREE TAX

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL TAGLE SAY”YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • ODAPAIN

    Wow our church leaders cant really stop medling in State matters,they should run for election and replace our current lawmakers,Blessed congress,they forget to watch their ranks of priest who molest children,stay in your own backyard pls.

  • zahraff

    It’s about time the church must stop meddling with any government topic especially this RH Bill. Everybody knows that there is SEPARATION of powers between the church and the state. The church has no right to tell the lawmakers of what needs to be done. The church can only suggest, but has no right to tell what needs to be done with the RH bill. Rome, Italy, which is the center of CHRISTIANITY (as they say) and other catholic countries has legal laws regarding reproductive life (contraception, abortion, etc.), and we see no reason why the Philippines can be an exception. Let the voting by the lawmakers proceed and the people would like to see the result whatever the outcome will be. Both sides must not be afraid of the outcome because this RH bill has been debated and discussed for a very long time and let us go ahead with the voting. Look at the recent US presidential election, Romney and Paul Ryan were very extreme in their views about abortion while Obama was flexible, practical and reasonable. The church or anti-abortion followers were trying their best to tell people not to vote for OBAMA, but what happened? OBAMA won the electoral votes and the popular votes which is clear indication that “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CATHOLIC VOTE! One must vote according to the real dictates of your own conscience and nothing else. 

  • brunogiordano

    “They will not mind the teaching of the Church, the main teaching against same-sex intercourse,” he added.

    Ang Condoms ay hindi ineffective ang teachings ng CHURCH ang INEFFECTIVE.

  • brunogiordano

    He said the Church’s relationship with the Aquino administration would “suffer” if the RH bill were passed.

    GOOD!!!!

    Pass RH then DIVORCE ng tuloyan ng magkahiwalay at magkanyakanya na.

    Sa nakakaraming Pilipino, ang ganyan THREAT ay CALL anytime.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      I like that idea of yours.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I’m fine with not rushing them, but the extent to which the opposition is filibustering is just absolutely ridiculous.

  • Chloroform

    how can we know that people with AIDS/HIV are not deliberately spreading the disease?

  • brunogiordano

    “I’m sure if they are having sex with men, they don’t follow the rules of the Church,” Reyes said in a Church forum in Intramuros, Manila.”

    Suwerte ng mga gay at lesbian walang batas ang Pilipinas ng anti-gay laws.

    Sorry sa mga Bishop kung walang gay na sumusunod sa rules ninyo.

  • CPCook

    Bishop Reyes declared that the use of condoms is ineffective to combat HIV/AIDS against advise from the World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Population Fund and the Joint UN Program on HIV/AIDS. Is the bishop claiming expertise in health and/or public policy? If he has the credentials, he probably ought to show so that the people can properly decide. or is this again another case of bishops na nagdudunong-dunongan (pretending to know it all).  I am not even sure if they know/understand ethics or not (recall that these same bishops enabled corruption during GMA’s time. Further recall their silence on the request of fellow bishops for brand new SUVs using taxpayer money. We should not forget the number of cases when pedophiles were tolerated by the CBCP and put children in harms way.). I am a Catholic and I trust my sense of what is right or wrong than what these bishops say (is that called conscience?). I just hope that our legislators finally vote on the RH bill to put this issue to rest one way or another.  We cannot go on without deciding this bill that has been pending for 15 years.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

      RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS
      ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and
      discriminatory people)

      JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

      • brunogiordano

        “JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.”

        Kung ‘yan ang nais ng mga nakakaraming tao sa VISAYAS at MINDANAO, mag tayo kayo ng sarili ninyong REPUBLIC at gawin ninyong pinuno ang isa sa mga CARDINALS.

        OK din’yan sa amin katagalogan.

      • taga_ilog

        RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS 
        ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and 
        discriminatory people) Hah!!!

  • dickenhead

    the bishops said that church relations with the govt will “suffer” if the bill is passed. Let it be, the people have suffered enough because of your meddling with govt policies. The govt  should hit you where you will suffer most your pockets-TAX THE CHURCH NOW! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    It seems that 12 years of debating about RH is not yet long enough for these bishops? Put and end to the debates and vote on the bill before the holiday break.

    With regards to the efficacy of condom against HIV infection, the RC church that just recently accepted the fact that it’s the Earth that revolves around the Sun has now the gall to contest the findings of WHO, UNFPA, and UNAIDS.

    PHL is running out of time. We are now near the bottom rank among ASEAN. The longer we let this obsolete church to dictate upon our lives, the more we will be buried deeper in the quagmire of poverty.

    PASS THE RH BILL NOW!!

  • browndarwinian

    ‘There will come a time, when the church will issue apologies, and explanations, and half-baked appeals for forgiveness for things it’s still doing. I think that there will be an apology for what happened in Rwanda, the most Catholic country in Africa, where priests and nuns and bishops are on trial, for inciting from their pulpits and on the Church’s radio stations and newspapers, the massacre of their brothers and sisters. Staying in Africa, I think it will one day be admitted with shame that it might have been in error to say that AIDS is bad as a disease, very bad, but not quite as bad as condoms are bad, or not as immoral in the same way. I say it in the presence of His Grace [Archbishop John Onaiyekan], and I say it to his face, the teachings of his church are responsible for the death and suffering and misery of his brother and sister Africans, and he should apologize for it, he should show some shame. For condemning my friend Stephen Fry for his nature, for saying you couldn’t be a member of our church, you’re born in sin. He’s not being condemned for what he does, he’s being condemned for what he is. You’re a child made in the image of God – oh no, you’re not, you’re a f@ggot, and you can’t join our church and you can’t go to heaven. This is disgraceful, it’s inhuman, it’s obscene, and it comes from a clutch of hysterical, sinister virgins, who’ve already betrayed their charge in the children of their own church. For shame! For shame!

    I don’t wish any ill on any fellow primate or mammal of mine, so I don’t at all look forward to the death of Joseph Ratzinger, I don’t, or any other pope, not really, except for one tiny reason which I ought to confess and share with you. When he dies, there’s quite a long interval till the conclave can meet, and for that whole time, that whole interval—it is a delicious, lucid interlude—there isn’t anyone on Earth who claims to be infallible. Isn’t that nice? All I think, all I want to propose in closing is this: that if the human species is to rise to the full height that’s demanded by its dignity, and by its intelligence, we must all of us move to a state of affairs, where that condition is permanent, and I think we should get on with it. Okay, thank you for having me.’ – Hitch

    PASS the RH Bill!  TAX the Church!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      “There will come a time, when the church will issue apologies, and
      explanations, and half-baked appeals for forgiveness for things it’s
      still doing.”

      It has done so.

      You can search for it in the internet. It was signed by Pope JP2 a long time ago, unfortunately I do not have the link.  I will say that I have re-read it as recent as this year.

  • boybakal

    Don’t rush RH debates, bishops urge lawmakers….

    I agree. Don’t rush.
    As RH Bill is all about sex,prolong is better than sudden.
    Play with it first and not rush, after absorbing all the substance, then the climax is whether to pass or not to pass.
    That is the time when our legislators are nahimasmasan pag tapos ng laban.

    • brunogiordano

      Good morning boybakal.

      Keep on posting.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      As I hear it, the issue has been debated on for more than 10 years.

      We have a problem and debating the solution does not solve the problem.

      Pass the RH Bill now!

  • brunogiordano

    “Don’t rush RH debates, bishops urge lawmakers”

    Kung nais ninyong maghintay sa pagdating ng Kingdom Come, kayo na lang.

    Kaming taong bayan inip na.

    Kaya magbotohan na agad ng magkaalam kung ano ang kapalaran ng RH.

  • yesyesyo

    Delaying tactic.

    Walang pinagkaiba ang mga pari at mga obispo sa mga pulitiko at abugado.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Agreed.

  • bgcorg

    There is absolutely no need for a euphemistically worded “Reproductive Health Bill” to be passed into a national law.  The substitute bill, if it ever becomes a law, would be part of the body of laws that would signify that this country is adopting a population control policy when those countries which had adopted contraception and abortion to suppress human births have abandoned the measure.  This is REGRESSIVE, only to satisfy an interest group, not really for the genuine good of married couples, Filipina women, and sustainable economic growth.  The time for sincere proponents of the rh bill for discernment had come: what is truly and lastingly true, good and beautiful for the Filipino nation, not be there only to be the rubber stamp of vested interest.  The Christian lawmaker is “a faithful servant of the king, but GOD’S FIRST!  Clearly, the substitute rh bill, even with amendments to it, is a misnomer and would pawn the country’s welfare to power brokers who only want artificial contraception in through an acceptable label; that, however, has already been enshrined in a multiplicity of existing laws!  “Entia non sunt multiplicanda sine necessitate.”  Existing laws should just be amended to update them and make them relevant to the times so that acceptable provisions for the welfare of the mother and infants may happen, not add to our body of laws, legislation that is controversial, divisive and inapplicable, draining public coffers because legislated, but supported by lobby money now and ultra feminists who are selling out their fellow Filipinas to modernist, passing and egotistical fads!  Have they not thought about dangerous side effects for acceptors, only because the FDA did not warn a thing? Who benefits?

    A deep and thorough discernment on the so-called “reproductive health” bill should engage the attention of well-meaning lawmakers.  Technically, for insiders of ultra rightist groups, the phrase has a precise meaning that other “outsiders,” who could be so aggressive as to be virulent and terribly unpleasant beyond mere words, do not even know or are aware of.  Let this not escape the attention of our lawmakers; lest, by casting their lot for the measure, they compromise the country’s future.  “Reproductive health” is the catch-all phrase coined by the movement pushing for the legislation of artificial contraception, abortion, divorce, same sex marriages, pre-marital and teen sex and “free” sex.  This radical movement for “women’s rights” sees the “freedom” of women (without moral responsibility) to be threatened without clear laws to protect their so-called “rights” and are successful in various degrees in different countries.  They have even taken the war to the United Nations, insisting on “rights” and freedoms against the very laws of nature, against the very creation of God.  The movement is allied with the secular effort to erase all vestiges of God and religion in societal, civil life, going as far as denying the action of divine providence in national life.  Such efforts are evident in trying to erase references to God in Constitutions, signs of man’s relationship to a God in schools and even offices, etc.  Would lawmakers be part of the “dechristianization” of this country, cause losing our “only Christian nation in Asia” distinction, cutting off our links with our cultural past and cherished values, and lead in the “grand ungratefulness” of a whole nation for all blessings received through all the years?  Life itself is precious that the State commits to safeguard from conception (the fertilization of the ovum by a sperm) to natural death “rights” firmly, fundamentally, anchored on Natural Law.  True lawmakers need the time for reflection and discernment to change their position and vote wisely, to defeat the passage of the deceptive bill.  It is a lie often repeated that became a “truth” for rh adherents that the majority of Filipinos want the rh bill passed.  Even if true, morality is not a matter for “majority wins” decision; perhaps they were mislead or ignorant about the very dynamic and changing economics of demography and global interdependence.  Our “young, vibrant workers” have saved the day for the country; a phenomenon not possible had we, 14 years ago, embarked on an aggressive birth control national policy (several Presidential Decrees on family planning were not effectively  enforced).  The Church remained to be the bastion of sobriety, truth, justice and peace. Besides the laity have now become aware of their new “evangelization” duties. Catholic organizations in parishes, the youth and students were not “surveyed.”

    HIV-AIDS is effectively contained by sexual contact between husband and wife only.  Fidelity of the married partners to one another, not promiscuity or same sex intercourse BETWEEN MEN, for example, lessens the spread of HIV-AIDS.  On the contrary, putting condoms to the reach of anybody in sari-sari stores and drug stores without regulation is not “reproductive health” by any stretch of the imagination!   “Unwanted” or aborted babies is not reproductive health!  It is immaterial to deny that condoms do not have small holes in which HIV-AIDS virus may penetrate through and infect the partner by sexual contact.  Being too liberal or lax in our sexual ethics does not help contain the dreaded disease.  Our lawmakers have to vote a big “NO” to artificial contraception or birth control.  No to the RH Bill.  Yes, to life and economic progress.  Yes, to fight poverty and corruption by developing constituents up to their full potential in society.  No, to dangle free condoms and contraceptives to the very poor as “cake” instead of truly needed “bread.”  Yes, to jobs, livelihood, skills training, more productivity, more investments to ensure stability of employment, more needed infrastructures to decongest urban centers from dingies and shanties and over-concentration of inhabitants,  more countryside development and peace, more education for the young especially in far-flung, almost unreachable areas of the archipelago.  Yes, to hope for the very poor and social justice for all.  Scrap the RH Bill now!!!

    • brunogiordano

      “Reproductive health” is the catch-all phrase coined by the movement pushing for the legislation of artificial contraception, abortion, divorce, same sex marriages, pre-marital and teen sex and “free” sex. This radical movement for “women’s rights” sees the “freedom” of women (without moral responsibility) to be threatened…”

      By all counts these radical moralities are much , much better than the Conservative/Fundamentalist morality.

      It conforms with the accepted human rights.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Good. We needed population control back when we didn’t have a huge chunk of our population as unemployed and/or part-time/underemployed. And you’re comparing again with other countries that are out of our league. Its like the Philippines is 2 decades behind the trend. Other countries have already achieved what they sought out to do when they implemented population control while we have been waiting for nearly 15 years.
      Its true that HIV-AIDS may be effectively contained by sexual contact between husband and wife. Problem is how to limit sexual contact to just husband and wife. When you think of a good solution for this problem, you may just win the next presidential elections. It is incredibly ridiculous to use fidelity of marriage partners as an argument or a solution in a country that is nearly on par with Bangkok when it comes to sex tourism.

      You can keep on saying that we need more jobs and less condoms, but it is all here-say. You cannot guarantee jobs to the millions of infants that are born in this country, regardless of their background. You cannot guarantee jobs to the millions who are qualified. You cannot even guarantee jobs that allow the millions of employed to support their families.

    • taga_ilog

      I noticed your’re a big fan of conspiracy theories. show us the evidence and not just chismizzz please. 

  • joerizal

    Dapat i-rush ng simbahan ang kaso ng mga paring pedophiles at rapists kesa nakiki-alam na naman sa gubyerno.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

       RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS
      ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and
      discriminatory people)

      JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

      • joerizal

        Sino kaaway mo? Siguro pedophile ka.

      • mabyrik

        back-off. your argument do not make sense. It stinks.

    • Evangeline F. Estrella

      hay, wala ng respeto….

      • joerizal

        Oo walang respeto ang simbahan sa estado kaya sila nakikialam. Pakialaman nila yung sarili nilang bakuran na bulok.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D37WZ2JMEQUZR4QG74FRVXUJFQ John

    Bukidnon Representative Jose Zubiri III argued: “The state is neutral and for all. We have to right to choose our faith. If the faithful has been less than faithful, that is the problem of the leaders of their faith. We do not choose their morality.” – taken from sunstar

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

       RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS
      ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and
      discriminatory people)

      JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L2AUVC4MXZ2IIYARH3VOBUPEPA Socorro

    The FOI is more urgent than RH bill, everyday  Filipinos have the right to know what is really happening in our country.But what the president is saying is different from what is happening thus the need for the FOI, mas apektado lahat ng Filipino ng FOI that RH bill. Niloloko tayo araw – araw ng ating presidente at mga namumuno.   

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

       RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS
      ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and
      discriminatory people)

      JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

      • elimsqui

        Asa ka visayas nagpuyo day? Ako taga bohol, aduna akoy duha ka ig-agaw nga do-re-mi(8) ang anak, abi nimo kon unsay hinungdan? tungod sa kapobrehon.Kon imo sultian ngano di ka magpa ligate, ang tubag sala daw ingon ang simbahan, ngano di ka maggamit ug contraceptive or condom walay ikapalit. kulang pa ang sweldo sa iyang bana nga contractual ikapakaon sa iyang mga anak. Di makaeskwela kay wala ikagasto, naglaroylaroy na lang ang mga bata. Now state your facts about visayas and mindanao. Ako aduna pay daghan nga ika example…

      • Rae_E

        Speak for yourself. Davao City is mainly supportive of providing education & services towards responsible parenthood programs. Mindanao Daily Mirror even reported “Duterte promises to pass ‘condom ordinance’”. A lot of people from Mindanao are not driven by superstitions/fanaticism but by rationality.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         ahahaha, sabi ng mga tao sa baba….speak for yourself.

      • jseesus

        spare mindanao haha.. ngayon di lang spare, straight flash pa o sige lubog kayo ngayon kay pablo.

  • Frodo44444

    “(Reyes) also said condoms were not effective in preventing the spread of HIV” ……that is the most self-serving lie I have ever read. So, the politician has faith that he knows more about infectious diseases than expert physicians?  Amazing pride and zero education on this topic. This is 100% politics and 0% science.

  • riza888

    This initiative would lessen the amount of both abortions and unwanted pregnancies thereby greatly improving the standard of living for many people who otherwise would not have access to such medicines.
    It seems like a simple choice of priorities: Healthy families, or adherence to ancient scripture?

  • Frodo44444

    I am Catholic, but I think the Church wants more time to convince politicians not to vote for the bill, perhaps by any back room means possible. Worst, a politician said this week he was against the bill because the “excess population created by unwanted pregnancy creates Filipino Workers Overseas” (which is NOT Catholic–to separate children from their parents for many months, even years, until they become strangers. It was like saying, “We insist you have too many babies, we want the tax revenue your desperation will create. Our greed is more important than your well-being.”

  • Ceazar

    Kung magmilagro kaya at sina Congressman Garcia, Rufus Rodriguez, Senators Enrile at Sotto at lahat ng mga obispo ay biglang magbuntisan lahat, hindi kaya magbabago ang paninindigan sa RH bill?

    Nakakainis tingnan na itong mga matatandang lalaki ang gustong magdikta sa buhay ng mga babae samantalang hindi sila ang apektado ng bill na ito. Yung mga babae ang sila ang gustong magsulong nito dahil sila ang directly affected nito. Ewan ko lang.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    “He also said condoms were not effective in preventing the spread of HIV
    because they had “holes” big enough for the virus to pass through.”

    This is a stupid argument. Not even water molecules penetrate thru the surface of the device. On circumstances of its normal use, this is practically impossible unless the device has been tampered to fail.

    And when a blind follower uses this invalid argument, to him, this and the word of God is the same, sublime and irrefutable, hence, no amount of reasonable discourse will prove otherwise.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    I suggest we pass the RH Bill and let the priests focus on a law that will repeal it.

  • mabyrik

    Debates on RH bill has been going on for years. And the bishops still want the debates to continue until kingdom come.  

    These bishops remind me of fortun who keeps on delaying the trial of the ampatuan massacre by even the flimsiest excuse. In the massacre, the agony of the families of 50+ victims are the collateral damage of fortun’s insidious tactics. But fortun doesn’t care. he is receiving millions as fee and that’s all that matters to him. Forget conscience, he has none of that. 

    Similarly, debates on RH have raged for years and there is no end to that. Delaying further the approval of the bill will allow the bishops to continue intimidating the congressmen and senators and the president and can continue with their lies in demonizing those in favor and the bill itself.

    Meanwhile the economy continues to suffer because of too much demand and less supply brought about by too many people. The collateral damage that will linger forever is on the poor.  

    As in fortun’s case, these bishops don’t care. To them, what is important is their pride and their relevancy, which is now in a very precarious and dangerous stage because of scandals and tpp much politicking.

  • Bengatibo

    Is 15 years delay on the RH Bill not enough!!! Bishops want to delay the RH Bill as it would prove that a win on RH Bill will undermine their hold on the People of the Philippines and they cannot afford that. It will be the downfall and relevance of the catholic church in our present society!

    • manny

      You wish!

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    谷歌翻译我。

  • Rae_E

    How long do you think you can keep on fooling Filipinos CBCP? “Don’t rush RH Bill” is the most ironic statement considering this bill has been pending in congress for 14 years. RH bill is actually the longest debated bill in congress due to these bishops unconstitutional meddling. The only “discernment” needed here is for us to wake up from our bondage from these “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. Enough of the hypocrisy & deceit, vote on the RH bill now!

  • concern_netizen

    The church only wants the debates to end when they finally have the numbers.  Well they have to accept the fact that the trend is going towards more RH support and will never make a u-turn.  Extending the inevitable will only give more embarrassment to the Church as the numbers of supporters are dwindling and their arguments becoming absurd.

    • CPCook

      Palibhasa these bishops and priests do not pay taxes, so they do not care that prolonging senseless amendments (e.g., mama or mommy for mother?) costs so much taxpayer money. These bishops and priests do not care if maternal deaths remain high; they are not their wives or daughters. These bishops and priests do not care if children are not fed well or could not go to school; they are not their children. Why should these bishops and priests care if the decision today will results in so much future misery? These bishops and priests do not care because they don’t have to, it is not their money, wives, and children.

      • napali808

         Bingo..they don’t care a bit. It’s business as usual. Being a bishop/priest is a good gig, because you can be lazy and dumb and still make money and live in a palace. Tax free…

  • mangtom

    I believe I have figured out a way to block the efforts of these nosey bishops from getting themselves involved in government or political affairs: let us pass a law called: Anti-Meddling Law, with minimum of ten years in prison or one million pesos as penalty for violation of this law. Senator Santiago could craft such a law. That will put a stop on the foolishness of these Damn-asos.

    Sobrang abusado na itong mga unggoy na cone heads na ito. Kakapal ng mukha.

    • manny

      Wala ka talaga mangtotoma, mga idea mo weird, at imahinasyon ng mga taong mangmang.  Anti-Meddling Law, pasista ka, komunista, satanista.  Tumoma ka na lang. hahaha!

    • napali808

       The cone heads would love to go to jail cause they’ll be the princess of darkness in Bilibid Prison. They’ll be around boys 24/7.

  • kishbuff

    tsk tsk tsk, don’t rush the debates ’til kingdom come! bahag na ang buntot ng mga tongresman!

    • justjarred

       Kulang pa daw ang SUV sabi ni Padre kaya putak ng putak!

  • jinx

    I hope Congress won’t listen to this unsolicited advice.  It’s crystal clear all they want is to delay and eventually derail the process.

    • justjarred

       Sana ilabas sa media ang mga pangalan ng Tongressman na bahag ang buntot.

  • boybakal

    RH Bill today is the same program of Marcos then.
    POPCOM or the Population Control Commission tasked to regulate birth population thru Census Bureau monitoring.
    Marcos program was perceived as wrong. Now, they are reborning as right.
    If all the programs of Marcos was continued, there will be no population explosion.

    Thailand was Philippines partner then in terms of population and in currency. Both were almost identical in population and Baht and Peso were almost of the same value.
    Now, Thailand surpassed in terms of economy but Philippines surpassed Thailand in Population.
    Thailand economy tripled whereas Philippine population multiplied.

    Now, we are back to square one, back to where Marcos left, the RH Bill.
    Pass or No Pass, Who cares.

    • brunogiordano

      History wise, martial law ay mas bagay sa Pilipinas para sa kabutihan ng mga nakakaraming tao kaysa democracy.

      Hangang ngayon ang Pilipinas ay hindi pa handa sa American type of democracy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Tama ka diyan. Hinde talaga bagay ang democracy dito kasi binibili lang naman ang mga boto.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IS6KI2U7EDZS6D2Q7MZ3Z6CAME Lila

    church is always telling people DON”T.. but can’t even provide solution to the problem and let people suffer.. why? they need your alms.. people suffer they go to church and pray and GIVE ALMS.. in effect the Church is happy with people suffering

  • Jomex

    we’ve been debating for over 10 years…if that is not enough debates for a single bill, then i dont know what is>

  • brunogiordano

    Kahit maghintay pa tayo ng kaunting panahon, ang isang malaking bagay na nidulot ng RH bill,

    ay ang pagkakabulgar ng mga natatagong mga kabulastungan at panlilinlang na pinagggawa ng mga DAMASO ng CDCP.

  • kilabot

    pro & con. 
    pro-rh bill groups: 
    1) anus; 
    2) ashole; 
    3) yellows; 
    4) b&w movement; 

    con-rh bill groups: 
    1) rcc; 
    2) penes; 
    3) pusi; 

    the rhbill is like same-sex marriage, causing deep division between perverts and normals. 

    No to the triplets of perversion; 

    legend: 
    anus   – advocates for neurotic unnatural sex; 
    ashole – assn of homogeneous loathsome egos; 
    penes  - public enterprise on natural ecological sex; 
    pusi     – proper use of sex initiative; 
    triplets – rhbill, same-sex marriage, man-beast union;

  • Jomex

    The Pope says, AIDS is bad, but condoms are worse. This is what the Cardinal is saying to us. Pathetic reasoning…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L6UVSMVKT5V7Z4CRGKHB7B2FAQ Dezmond

    Please separate the Church and State. Let the State decide for the best of the country and not the religious organization. Wake up PH. 

  • Mitchel

    The church cares about the well-being of the person’s body and soul.  And Jesus emphasized that the soul is more important than the body, and many good people craves more for the food for the soul than the food for the body. If a national leader intends only to feed the body and deny the importance of the soul, then that is a very big mistake.  People will simply find another leader who will not hinder them from getting the right food for the soul first, then the food for the body.

    When OFWs work abroad, their strength comes largely from their faith in God.  They pray a lot. They sought consolation from God. You know that the church of Padre Damaso is providing real food for the souls, that’s why a million souls attended the thanksgiving mass of Pedro Calungsod.

    RH bill on the contrary, is presuming that Filipinos have no soul, and that all they can think about is sex, and they URGENTLY needed to have more sex. It probably is popular in zombieland (where people’s souls are dead) but not in the Philippines where we love our parents, children, spouse and human life in general.  If it is acceptable to you that your spouse should cheat on you anytime, go to zombieland.  If its OK with you that your BF or GF cheats on you by doing pre-marital sex with other partners, go to zombieland. If you are a political leader who wants legalized abortion, run in zombieland.  But not here in the Philippines.

    I wish to ask our priests if they have already informed their parishioners that devotion to the Sto. Nino is incompatible with pro-abortion stand.  Have you told them about herod’s crime of killing the first born babies?  Have you told them that the political leader Herod attempted to kill the Baby Jesus? Are we going to insult the Baby Jesus by passing RH Bill during the Christmas season?

    • taga_ilog

      Paul you’re badly out of touch with reality, instead of appealing to the emotional side of the people, why don’t you and your fellow anti-RH, show and educate us by showing hard evidence that RH is is bad. By giving us a lecture on zombie land and souls,  you have proven nothing at all but irrationality which is the trademark of religious people. If you are really going to help all of us “on the other side” show us the evidences please.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Paul, on some levels, I do agree with you. But, you have to face reality. The RH Bill is “presuming that Filipinos have no soul, and that all they can think about is sex, and they URGENTLY needed to have more sex” is the sad reality we face here in the Philippines. How else can you explain families with 3-10 children supported by one working parent? How can else you explain the large number of single mothers or pregnancies outside of marriage? How can you explain Article 334 of the Revised Penal Code, which has so many loopholes that allow a man to cheat on his wife? And, if we love human life in general, how come I see killings; shootings; stabbings; etc in the news EVERYDAY? When a person kills for his own sake, how different is he from a zombie other than disregarding his own conscience?

      Don’t get us wrong. It is NOT OK for a man to cheat on his wife. It is NOT OK for a bf or gf to cheat on the other by doing pre-marital sex. Most of us have the same moral standards and in the perfect society that you describe, I would agree with you – we won’t need an RH Bill. But, as it stands, you don’t know what’s going on in the Philippines.

      Face it. We are living in Zombieland and you’re one of the people who will probably get bitten and turn because you think that stranger slowly lumbering towards you with a derange hungering look is still human.

    • riza888

      Covering birth control so that all women have access means fewer unplanned pregnancies meaning lower long-term healthcare costs and fewer abortions as well. I love how anti-RH people hate birth control just as much as they hate abortion even though birth control is the number one way to reduce the number of abortions. Thinking long-term about healthcare costs would behoove you.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Erap to Obispo, father mateegas na naman po?  Obispo to Erap, O e di gamitin mo?  Erap to Obispo, papano po kung mabuntis?  Obispo to Erap, Hindi mo dapat problemahin yan dahil sabi ng Diyos…go forth and multiply? Erap to Obispo, wala po akong sapat na pera para palakihin ang bata?  Hindi po ba mas maganda kung meron tulong sa family planning centers ng Department of Health?   Obispo to Erap….huwag kang makinig dyan dahil puro sugud ni LLucipher yan nagsusulong ng condom.  Sa amin ka makinig at ikaw ay magiging maligaya basta sa tuwing mateegas, ipasok sa madulas.

    Vote for RH bill.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YX3GNEI6FHCLMXK5ZKXKZ54WJA Kiam

    Don’t rush the debates on RH? Ilang years na ba ang debate sa bill na yan? Ilang siglo na ang pagtuturo ninyo ng “morality” sa mga Pilipino? Isa lang ang pananaw ko dito: Takot ang simbahan sa magiging resulta ng botohan sa kongreso.

  • UrHONOR

    “WORRY not over anything because the almighty is on our side. Pero papaano yan kung matalo tayo…..NAKAKAHIYA at NAKAKA-JAHE.  O sige, worry na lang tayo.  O,  siguruhin ninyo na gapangin ang mga komokontra….sabihin ninyo anathema sila pag natalo tayo.  Now, ladies, please organize thyself and make sure the wind blows in our direction”.  
                                                                                           —– Cat Bys Chr of PH 12:05

  • Hawkman Riyadh

    walang nilalang na perpekto…..dahil sa sinabi ng Diyos na humayo kayo at magpakarami…magiistick na dun?….kaya nga nagkaroon din ng maraming version at testamento ang bibliya kasi hindi ito perpekto….maraming populasyon mas lolobo ang mga mahihirap..mas madaming magugutom…dasal lng at lugaw kayang ibigay ng simbahan…HALIMBAWA…MAY 5 TAO NA SINABIHAN NA HUMAYO KAYO AT MAGPAKARAMI..TAPOS UNG SA LIMANG TAONG ITO ISA MAY SAKIT NA AIDS TAPOS SWITCHING SA SEX ANG LIMA…HANGGANG YONG 5 MAY AIDS NA…UNG LIMA NAMATAY SA AGE AT NAG EXTINCT NA ANG MGA TAO SA MUNDO….SA HALIP NA MAGPAKARAMI NG DI INIISIP ANG SAFE SEX NAUWI SA WALANG NATIRA….magagaling talaga mga taga simbahan…sa eleksyon takbo kayo para may representative kau sa simbahan…if alam niyo na malakas ang impluwensya nyo sa sambayanang Pilipino..huwag kayo matakot dahil nasa panig kayo ng mga Kristiyanong pulitiko at if natalo ang simbahan sa pagmasa ng RH bill,,,,,magtaka kayo if nakakaimpluwensya pa kayo ng malaki sa buhay nila..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      HERBERT CAROLINO TOPAK!!!! UNGGOY!!!

  • marionics

    by all means rush it already. it will be a welcome change to the dilly dallying done thus far. malay mo manalo sa botohan ang anti rh, di ba? he he

  • mangtom

    mannyCollapseWala ka talaga mangtotoma, mga idea mo weird, at imahinasyon ng mga taong mangmang.  Anti-Meddling Law, pasista ka, komunista, satanista.  Tumoma ka na lang. hahaha!Sagut kay manny (a.k.a. mani): ipakain mo na lang yong mani mo sa mga idolo mong cone heads. Masyado kayong alamero. Akala ninyo dapat kayo ang masunod dahil majority kayo. Majority kayo at majority naman ang kalukuhan ninyo. Walang hiya at kapal muks. 

  • mangtom

    Hey_DudesCollapseErap to Obispo, father mateegas na naman po?  Obispo to Erap, O e di gamitin mo?  Erap to Obispo, papano po kung mabuntis?  Obispo to Erap, Hindi mo dapat problemahin yan dahil sabi ng Diyos…go forth and multiply? Erap to Obispo,Erap sa obispo: father hindi ko kabisado ang muliplication table.

    • Hey_Dudes

       ha…ha…ha…..getting better all da time!  Sa multiply sarap itong si ERAP bigay na bigay sa Obispos pero pagdating sa diby-diby, kasama niya ang mga obispos sa pagtago!

  • ThePattern

    hay Carnival Tagle!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    RH is a myopic bill and pro-RH people don’t think enough.  Pro-RH people want band-aid solution, not a long term solution.  If you think that RH is a long term solution, Japan and Singapore and some European countries say “Hi, we want our people to procreate because we lack young people”. 

    Besides, how can RH bill alleviate poverty without addressing the root cause of poverty.  If you say that we want to reduce the number of poor people because it will help solve poverty then you’re all wrong.  That’s just faulty logic.

    If you say that you want to solve poverty by “controlling” the number of poor people, then you’re ALL wrong on various levels.  It’s highly hypocritical.  It’s highly pervasive.  It’s unacceptable.  And it’s delusional.  People are poor not because there are more babies being born, but because there is corruption in the government, businesses find it hard to flourish and that they lack good education.

    RH bill a myopic bill.

    • ThePattern

      you are obviously ignorant. Pari ka ba?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         you are obviously ign0rant.  period.

        pro-RH people harping the same line of attacks without addressing the points deserve the ad hominems hurled at them.

      • ThePattern

        so we don’t think enough ei? very GOOD assumption you self-righteous holier-than-thou human being.  may your tribe face extinction.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Boohoo, crying foul when ad hominems are hurled back at them.

        Go to mama, she might give you a candy.

      • ThePattern

        i eat ad homonems for breakfast. bite me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Remember!

    Population growth rate has been decreasing the past years.

    Total Fertility Rate has been decreasing the past years.

    All of these are happening without the RH bill. 

    What’s there to curb?

    Besides, how could RH, which is only offering choices to people, help curb the population growth rate and total fertility rate?  How could it curb these parameters by just offering choices with no punitive action?

    Pro-RH people are deluded.  Even the UP professors have already stated that RH bill is not a population control measure.  If it is not a population control measure, then it will not help curb the population.

    Or maybe pro-RH people are deluded that it will help solve poverty.

    Yeah right, with high corruption index in the country and the lack of good education?  Pro-RH people don’t know their priorities and they lack good vision.

    • mhertz

      oh, i just heard Pro-RH priorities:safe and satisfying S_ _.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Right you are.  Haha.

      • panhase

         Yes, it should be safe and satisfying, unlike for Pepsi Paloma it was not safe and not satisfying

    • ThePattern

      obviously you live in a classy environment.  try passing by Tondo and other slum areas in Manila. anong what’s there to curb? anong taon ba iniisip mo? ikaw ang deluded.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         You assume too much.  I have tasted “poverty” unlike most of the pro-RH people here.  I know what’s their problem.  And it’s not because of the babies. 

        Pro-RH people are really myopic.

      • ThePattern

        i don’t assume like you do.

        define myopic if you know what that means.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Search dictionary.  Your posts prove that you don’t know what it means.

        You can even use context clues.

        RH Bill is myopic.  And I have explained how along the way.

        Geebuz.  Are pro-RH people this stup!d?

      • ThePattern

        kumagat! hahahaha!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Vice Ganda, ikaw ba yan?  corny mo ha.  Hahaha.

    • Bullet Train

      Alarming cases of teenage pregnancy are increasing and poor families with growing number of children all happen because they are ignorant. It’s either they don’t know how to use a condom, they don’t have condom or condoms are expensive. Poverty all boils up to poor families who are so ignorant of family planning.

      Middle class families as well as rich families have access to this contraceptives because they can afford these contraceptives. RH bill is all about fairness and equality, allowing poor people to have access to contraceptives. Don’t get me wrong. This is what RH bill is all about. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BL2GYU35SO6HTJUEAUTXS3QFYM George Lapulapu

    ..The RH Bill has been in congress for the last two decades..

    ..and we are still rushing it?

  • ApoNiLolo

    “He also said condoms were not effective in preventing the spread of HIV because they had “holes” big enough for the virus to pass through.”

    Those so called “holes” can only be detected at molecular level where one may see the “gap” between molecules when a condom display its “elastic” property. Those so called “holes” should only be as big as the molecule itself or else its molecular structure will crumble!

    How big are HIV viruses that Reyes claimed can pass through those “holes”? The last time I looked, viruses are also composed of molecules!

    This is an example why people who are not an “authority” or at least familiar with a particular subject should never discuss it. They’ll only say something idiotic and show their total ignorance.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    The catholic IMAMS Fooling the Filipinos since 1521.

  • mangtom

    ThePatternCollapseyou are obviously ignorant. Pari ka ba?Sagut: obvious na pari o masturbishop itong si Rolly Antonio. Same party line- weak or flawed logic. Pass the RH bill.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       A pathetic reply.  Ad hominem attack.  What happened?  Unable to answer the points that I have raised?

      What happened?  Can’t refute the hard fact that population growth rate and total fertility rate have been decreasing the past years based on the data from National Statistics Coordination Board?

      What happened?  Can’t defend your position that providing choices to people will not necessarily curb the population growth rate and total fertility rate for it is not a population control measure?

      What happened?  Can’t defend the contradictions in your propaganda and what is really happening?

      Typical hogwash theorist from pro-RH arena.  Haha.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    kayong mga pilipino wag pakalat kalat ang mga blesing ninyo wala pang damit sinabi na nga sa inyo ni carnibal tagle na pahalagahan ang buhay” sabihin ninyo kay carnibal tagle ibili ng damit ang mga blesing at dun naman sa mga isnatcher wag ninyo nakawan ang simbahan pinalagyan na namin ng CCTVs video labas at loob ng simbahan” pati ba naman kampana ninanakaw ninyo” sabihan ninyo ang mga nanay ninyo mag simba at lakihan ang abuloy para makapamasyal ulit si carnibal tagle sa roma at makabili ng luxury cars alam naman ninyo na sa ITALYA ay may may full medical acces ng r.h bill pero sa loob ng vatican wala at yung mga abuloy ay binibilang na ni bishops sa vatican galing pinas ito wala tax ng gobyerno ang mga negosyo ng vatican sa pinas kaya ang saya saya ni carnibal tagle ngising demonyo” pag wala tax taba ng bulsa wag ninyo tawagin extremist terrorist taliban ang simbahan d2 nag simula ang relihiyon mag bait kayo magagalit si mama mary at si papa jesus amen”’

  • regd

    So much for the separation of Church and State. Exactly why we need freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL TAGLE SAY”YES TO LIFE REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    RH bill is not only a political issue, but also a moral issue.  Last time I checked, the church members are also Filipinos.  Did they suddenly lost their citizenship when they become leaders of the church?

    There are times that the sphere of influence between the church and the state will intersect.  That happens when the government tackle on issues that are of moral concern (abortion, contraceptives, prostitution, etc).

    These pro-RH retards can’t make a honest-to-goodness argument.  Such evidence for the lack of good education in this country.

    Instead of RH bill, we should send you back to school.  

    • regd

      The same thing the church can’t make a honest-to-goodness argument on paedophile priest! 
      Question: Do priest use condoms when they rape children? Well maybe it’s about time they do? Whadayathink? Wait…maybe no coz that would mean they’ll go for RH bill!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Classic nutca$e, if you run out of something sensible to say, bring up the pedophile card.  It happens when your arguments failed miserably.

        Mind you, the church is looking at this issue. 

        So stop the red-herring and answer the points raised here.  Don’t go around and bringing up irrelevant issues.

      • regd

        Nope, I’m not but you are. So how does your church look at this issue, by saying that the children seduces them (priest)?  

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Stop bringing up irrelevant issues. You’re wasting bandwidth.

        If you want to start the discussion about that, make a thread. 

        Don’t act so stup!d.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         This comment of yours prove that you are a nutcas-e.  No need to deny it.  Bringing up irrelevant issues after being called-out for it proves that you really are.  Sad, but true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Population growth rate has been decreasing without the RH bill.  Say what pro-RH?  Haha

    1970    3.08
    1975    2.78
    1980    2.71
    1990    2.35
    1995    2.32
    2000    2.36
    2007    2.04
    2010    1.90

    • sked482

      Reduction of 1.18 percent in 40 years. What makes you think this will happen again within the next 40 and that the rate won’t stay the same nor increase?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         What is trend analysis?

        Scientists, statisticians, engineers do it all the time.

        Let me guess, you’re not educated in those field.

      • sked482

        I’ve actually worked close to a decade with health statistics, so you guess wrong, as you seem to be in the habit of guessing wrong all over here. Trend analysis? With that single line of data? Oh please, I hope you’re more intelligent than that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Pray tell, how can RH help alleviate poverty? 

    Pray tell, what’s there to curb with the slowing down of population growth rate and total fertility rate?

    Pray tell, how could providing choices result to “drastic” changes for the “unbridled” population growth?  Where the fvck is the “unbridled” population growth?

    Pray tell, how in the world can it help curb population when in fact RH bill is not a population control measure?  UP professors themselves have said so.  It’s not a population control measure?

    Maybe, just maybe, our pro-RH friends are living in a dreamland, or they are not really thinking at all.

    • regd

      Rolls, I hope you are sterile because the thought of you breeding is frightening!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         See Citizens of this country?  This is a classic example of pro-RH retar-d who can’t answer the points that I have raised.

        We badly need good education.  Let’s start with this regd and his cohorts.

        They are deprived of good logic and they can’t make arguments properly.

      • mamer2

        LOOK who’s TALKING..!
        hahahahahaha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Ah, we have a new troll / spammer.  At least he’s slightly better than Herbert ‘cow sodomizer’ David.

      You mention UP professors to back up your point while avoiding the somewhat inconvenient fact that they favor the bill i an economic sense.  Do you believe you know more about economics than they do, yes or no? 

      And about it being a population growth bill: it’s not.  Pia Cayetano, the co-author of the bill, has said it isn’t.  Nowhere is population control mentioned in the bill.  The main body making up that claim is the CBCP, which, as we’ve all seen, is more than happy to lie to get its way.

      The RH Bill is about giving people choices, and frankly if you haven’t understood that by now you’re not going to.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Attacking the strawman.  That’s why I bring up the case of the UP professors because they are anti-RH and they don’t think that RH bill is a population control bill.

        Talk to other pro-RH in various fora, not only in this website.  They believe that this RH bill is a population control measure that it will help curb the population growth rate, the overpopulation and the total fertility rate.  You’re the one who’s oblivious of the arguments of your fellow pro-RH people.

        And how many times did I say that what RH bill offer are choices?

        Reading comprehension has failed you… miserably.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        There was a ridiculous paper that came out a bit back supposedly written by UP professors, only one of which had ANY econ background.  OTOH, the UP School of Economics put out a working paper stating their support for the bill.

        See following, replacing the DOTs with ‘.’s.

        http://opinionDOTinquirerDOTnet/33539/population-poverty-politics-and-rh-bill

        Here’s their conclusion:

        ‘It is in this spirit of debate that we express our own opinion. We
        say—based on serious evidence—that the RH bill is propoor and
        authentically prolife and profamily.

        We, therefore, strongly support the RH bill and urge the national
        leadership to be fully and unequivocally behind it. It is time the
        President declared the RH bill urgent.’

        I daresay that, on an economic issue, the faculty of the UPSE’s opinion matters more.

        So again, do YOU know more about econ than UP professors?  Yes or no question.

      • sked482

        Hey bro, I think we should be flattered. This is much better than Herbert or the other anti-RH trolls especially yung mukhang condom saka yung mga holier than thous. Hahaha.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Dunno… maybe…

      Family monthly income of 12,000/month:a) No kids – husband (6,000), wife (6,000)
      b) 1 kid – husband (4,000), wife (4,000), kid (4,000)
      c) 2 kids – husband (3,000), wife (3,000), kid (3,000) x 2
      d) 3 kids – husband (2,400), wife (2,400), kid (2,400) x 3

      Well, you have to take into account food, electricity, water, schooling, allowance (if applicable), supplies (if applicable), transportation (if applicable), etc… But, anyway, you get the gist.

      I mean, come’on… if each mouth is like P30/day, that’s more than 1/3 your monthly income for food alone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Good, we’re getting somewhere… but you failed to take this one thing into account.

        If parents will be trained as responsible parents (the genuine responsible parenthoood program taught in values education), they will decide what family size is right for them.

        Hence, it doesn’t matter what goes to kids as long as it is “enough”.  Who decide if it is enough?  The family members themselves.

        Responsible parenthood doesn’t mean producing babies more than what you can afford.  It is about being responsible of your own decision.

        However, you still not able to answer my questions… at least the first one.  It doesn’t show that it would help alleviate poverty.  Your post is about distribution of income to suit family’s budget.

        Poverty is about not being able to afford the resources to live.  Not being able to get the right job.  Not being able to be productive.  That’s poverty. 

      • sked482

        That is one of the purposes of the bill, to make sure people get educated. You say so yourself that the family themselves decide how many kids to have, the RH bill is not against that but actually helps empower Filipino couples to achieve that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Classic faulty logic:

    Pro-RH – sugpuin natin ang kahirapan!

    Anti-RH – hmm, how?

    Pro-RH- kontrolin natin ang populasyon ng mga mahihirap

    HAHAHAHAHHA.  Patawa ang mga pro-RH.

    Anti-RH – That’s just stup!d.  In order to address poverty you have to look at the root cause.  The root cause is the corruption in the government, lack of good education, people are not empowered, dwindling business opportunities, etc.  Number one ang corruption!

    Pero para sabihin na ang pagkontrol ng mahihirap ang siyang magpapaangat sa kanila sa kahirapan ay signus ng pagiging b0b0 at myopic.

    Band-aid solution, anyone?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Question: Do you honestly believe you know more about economics than the economics faculties of the two best universities in the country?

      Yes or no answer please.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        What a loaded question.  You don’t know what it means, search it.

        Mind you, there are economists who think that RH bill is myopic.

        So saying that these economists think that RH bill is good for the economy doesn’t hold water for there are also economists who think otherwise.

        All I can say is, I know economics more than you do, so it seems.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’ve read the UP working papers and have a bachelor’s degree in economics under those professors.  I am not an expert, but I know my economics, and given your posts I sincerely doubt you know more about econ than I do.

        There’s nothing loaded about that question.  You’re claiming that the bill doesn’t make economic sense, while the economics faculties of the two best universities in the Philippines say otherwise.  Do you think you know more about economics than them?  Yes or no question.

        Man up and answer it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Corruption corruption corruption… Lagi naman yan ang reklamo ng mga tao. Corruption will always be there and there is nothing you can do about it. Do you want to keep on waiting another 20-30 years for corruption to disappear, until inflation rates are so high and salaries have yet to change, to realize that corruption will still exist?

      Better a “band-aid” solution than a “wait-and-bleed-out” solution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         You’re a living contradiction.

        Your band-aid solution will not work if the resources bleed to death.

        Think, it’s free.

        What will happen to the budget if it goes to corruption?  Haha.

        What will happen to governance with corruption?

        Do you think our poverty will be resolved with corruption so rampant?

        Your reasoning makes me puke. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        This is coming from person whose solution is no solution. This is logic?

        Yeah. Since Marcos… corruption corruption corruption… so, you want to wait 20 more years to see how high our national debt will go?

        “What will happen to the budget if it goes to corruption?  Haha”
        - So, you’re against the bill because of pure assumption? Are you certain it will go to corruption? No.

        “Your reasoning makes me puke.”
        - Atleast I have one. Rather than someone who creates assumptions in their head. Mere assumptions don’t do anything. 

        “Think, it’s free”
        - You’re going to think of a solution for another 20 years? Please. If it doesn’t cost you anything, why should it be worth it to other people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Repost!  The pro-RH people seemed like to ignore this.  Numbers don’t lie.  But the liars who are intellectually dishonest (if you can call them intellectual) will surely lie.Population growth rate has been decreasing without the RH bill.  Say what pro-RH?  Haha

    1970    3.08
    1975    2.78
    1980    2.71
    1990    2.35
    1995    2.32
    2000    2.36
    2007    2.04
    2010    1.90
     

    Again, this is happening without the RH bill.

    No need to legislate.

    Just empower the women and provide good education.

    Women tend to be less fertile.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Ok… looking at what you said based on your first post… sige, try natin sagutin…

      “RH is a myopic bill and pro-RH people don’t think enough.  Pro-RH people want band-aid solution, not a long term solution.”
      - Band-aid solution better than wait-until-bleed-to-death solution (i.e. no solution). If you have a better solution, go approach your respective congressman. Maybe he/she can do something rather than nothing.

      “If you think that RH is a long term solution, Japan and Singapore and some European countries say “Hi, we want our people to procreate because we lack young people”.
      - Irrelevant. These countries have “grown” an economy that can support a larger workforce and provide them with a better quality of life. The Philippines, on the other hand, “grew” a workforce.

      “Besides, how can RH bill alleviate poverty without addressing the root cause of poverty.  If you say that we want to reduce the number of poor people because it will help solve poverty then you’re all wrong.  That’s just faulty logic.”
      - I think the Bill is saying that poor people who can’t afford more mouths to feed shouldn’t make more mouths. But, yes, you are right, there are other root causes, but feel free to create solutions for those other root causes. No, simply telling the government to “stamp out corruption”, “provide more jobs”, “provide better education” is not a solution.

      If you say that you want to solve poverty by “controlling” the number of poor people, then you’re ALL wrong on various levels.  It’s highly hypocritical.  It’s highly pervasive.  It’s unacceptable.  And it’s delusional.  People are poor not because there are more babies being born, but because there is corruption in the government, businesses find it hard to flourish and that they lack good education.
      - Well, again, saying that is not a solution. I doubt that we’ll ever see the end of corruption. If it is so easy for scams (i.e. AMAN Futures, Visioner, etc) to scam billions of pesos, what makes you think we’ll ever see the end of corruption with that kind of greed and delusion? So, yes and yes, they chose this option and the less mouths to feed will mean more money for a family, better education for their child and possibly, a better environment.

      RH bill a myopic bill.
      - Its actually not. Because the effect of allowing our economy to catch-up to our workforce may take sometime. And, no offense, but delaying the bill for all this time is very myopic. For people to choose waiting for something to happen over a solution is actually not myopic, but just plain stupid.

      Its very easy and near-sighted to simply say “down with corruption” without providing a solution.

      Stating the birth / fertility rates is also irrelevant if the people who are contributing to the birth rate are also those who can’t support their child. FYI, there are cab drivers who have atleast 2-3 kids, some even 5. I may not be fully supportive of free contraceptives but I’m all up for free family planning.

    • filipinaskoh

      Then why is it the population in 2000 is just about 77 million and in 2011 it is about 94 million. With an INCREASED OF 17 MILLION.

      Where is the decrease in population you are talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    No less than Edcel Lagman, who is the main proponent of the bill, who has envisioned to curb the growing population of this country… his cohorts followed suit.

    No wonder there are factions among pro-RH.  Some say that it is a population control measure, some say that it is not.  Some say that it is poverty alleviation measure, some say it is not.  Some say that it is about reproductive health of the women only, some say that it is more than that.

    You know what, you pro-RH people need to huddle.

    Some of you are big fat liars.

    Don’t dare to deny that you made such claims.  I’ve been in different fora for so many years that I am sick and tired of this endless debates about RH. 

     

    • sked482

      The anti-RH camp has been issuing differing and conflicting statements as well, so your statements above do not really prove anything, does it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Give me an example of conflicting statements of anti-RH.

      • sked482

        Just read through the news reports, issued statements and through different fora bro, in this site and others. You won’t miss them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Give me an example.  You surely have one.  I have tried, but still can’t find one.

      • sked482

        Show’s how difficult to wake up somebody who’s pretending to be asleep.

        Take for example the claims by some that we do not need to control our population, that our growing population is an asset, and is better left to grow. Others argue that we do need to control growth but only natural family planning should be allowed. While others (like you it seems) say we do not need the RH bill since the population growth is slowing anyway according to “trends”.

        Some anti-RH claim the pro-rh camp is directly instituting abortion (with statements like “sana inabort ka ng magulang mo”) and there are even conspiracy theories that it is being funded by international agencies that promote abortion. Some sees the RH bill as indirectly promoting abortion by showing leniency to women who underwent abortion. Some does not raise the issue of abortion at all while some claims that even using condoms causes abortion.

        There are many more to write, on the use of condoms and contraceptives, on HIV, on perceived needs, but I do not have the time and inclination to list them down for you. And besides, both the anti-RH and pro-RH camps are made up of different people with different inclinations, backgrounds and religions. I have arguments sometimes on religion with fellow pro-RH advocates. My point is, perceived differences or contradiction in each camp is surely not a strong argument pro- or against the RH Bill. I wouldn’t use the argument against the anti’s, and your attempt to use perceived contradictions as an argument against the pro-rh advocates may simply indicate a lack of better and more solid arguments on your part.

  • napali808

    What planet are these cone heads on? Are they talking in light years? The UN Population Fund urges PH to pass the RH Bill to allow the gov,t. to supply free contraceptives to reduce maternal mortality rate. PH is considered as one of the highest in maternal mortality rate in SE Asia. This is the result of 14 years delay and the bishops think is not enough.

    Let us not forget why the Philippines is one of the seven countries globally where AID/HIV cases have risen to 25% since 2001, because the arrogant, know-it-all cone heads pressured GMA to ban the distribution of condom. It is happening again. We should learn from our past mistakes not just forget it. We should be assertive and do what is right for our country. We should vote for the needed RH BILL now!!

    And folks beware of the cone heads.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       Maternal mortality rate – confusing the cause and the effect. 

      Read up more literature about this.  You’re surely not updated and you have been brainwashed by your fellow pro-RH confused pips.  Hahaha.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Repost!  The pro-RH people seemed like to ignore this.  Numbers
    don’t lie.  But the liars who are intellectually dishonest (if you can
    call them intellectual) will surely lie.Population growth rate has been
    decreasing without the RH bill.  Say what pro-RH?  Haha

    1970    3.08
    1975    2.78
    1980    2.71
    1990    2.35
    1995    2.32
    2000    2.36
    2007    2.04
    2010    1.90
     

    Again, this is happening without the RH bill.

    No need to legislate.

    Just empower the women and provide good education.

    Women tend to be less fertile.
     

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3SHGRXPJCAF4OTQ673ARMKMYGE ricky sanoria

      Good input. It might be also useful if you could include the source of these data for others to validate. Thanks!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         This website is funny.  I tried to answer you but it told me that the post would be moderated.  Haha…

        Search for it na lang… bawal yata magpost ng links.

        nscb dot gov dot ph

        Go to statistics portion then look for population

    • sked482

      So are you saying the rate will lower in the next 40 years based on past experience? What makes you so sure?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Because it is becoming a trend… and if we keep up with doing the right thing that we do, then surely it will continue… that’s how you do trend analysis.  There are attribute data in statistics, You can go study that.

        I can throw the same question to the pro-RH… are you sure that the population growth rate will decrease in the next 40 years?  But before we ask that, are you sure that the people will use the contraceptives for the next 40 years?

        See?

      • sked482

        Ahhh. but you see you cannot simply depend on trends. Bahala na si batman? Hehehe. There was a decade in the 90s when the population growth rate hardly changed, and this was even during the go-go years during Ramos’s time when we were having a modest economic recovery. It could easily happen in the next forty years. If we want something to happen we have to take concrete steps, and not simply depend on trends.

        There are a lot of countries who had legislated or strong RH policies and the growth rate did decrease in their experiece, so there are actual and more concrete models we can base on, not simple on trends.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         That’s why I said that we should continue the right thing that we do. 

        Studies have shown that education helps reduce the fertility rate.  Educated women tend to be less fertile.

        See my other posts about RH bill and choices.  If it is not a population control measure, then it is not designed to help reduce population…. you guys are full of contradictions.

      • sked482

        And that mind you, is one of the purposes of the RH Bill, to educate and empower people to make their educated choices.

        Still, your single line of national growth statistics do not prove solidly that we do not need the RH Bill as you are claiming. Conveniently pointing to your perceived contradictions in the pro-RH camp neither adds to that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         How can you educate the people, if we have problem on the education itself?  Huh?  See the contradiction? 

        The statistics are solid.  Based on interpolation of data, we will have negative growth rate after 40years…  and this will happen even without RH bill.

        RH bill is not a population control measure.  Hear what the UP professors have stated in their position paper.  Believe them.  It is not a population control measure.  Thus, it will not help curb any population metrics.

      • sked482

        You might want to read up on the NSCB’s notes on the interpolation of data.

        The statistics might be solid but these are national growth rates and even looking at different spans of the data could show differing trends. You look at a single line of national growth rates  (and conveniently ignoring other related statistics) and you claim to be doing “trend analysis” and then come to the conclusion that we don’t need a legislated rh bill. Again, bahala na si batman?

        Brilliant, in a funny sort of way. Hahaha.

        If this is not a population control measure, then why use the national growth rates to support your argument that we don’t need the RH bill. You yourself are contradicting your original post in this thread.

        What’s the contradiction between the RH Bill and education? One does not can out the other. Only a narrow mind cannot see that we cannot work on improving education while having the benefits of the RH Bill at the same time.

      • mamer2

        And from what source did you get your knowledge that…
        “Educated women tend to be less fertile”…?
        Or is it that educated couples tend TO KNOW how NOT to get pregnant…, and not depend on the unstable/unreliable method promoted by the bishops (who may know next to nothing about ,,,,”)

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        Ok… if the people won’t use the contraceptives, what is your problem with it?

        Me, I don’t delve into the contraceptives issue. I’m more for the free family planning.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         If the people won’t use contraceptives, then that’s a failure for the government to drastically reduce the population (since they are not satisfied with the current decline iin population growth rate).

        It’s about cost-benefit.  It’s about achieving your goal.

        Have you heard other pro-RH activists, lead by Edcel Lagman?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

        I lead you back to my other argument – what if the people still contributing to the population growth rate are the one’s who can’t support what they are contributing?

        This is actually my concern. I mean, come’on, I’m seeing suffering everywhere and people are still making babies that eventually end up begging on the streets?

        If they come up with a sound solution other than contraceptives, hey, why not?

        Frankly, family planning was one of them and they should require it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         You’re bordering on the private lives of every citizen.  The state has no business in the private affairs of its people.

        The most we can do (especially the government) is to empower these people by education.

      • mamer2

        “…and if we keep up with doing the right thing that we do, ..”
        WHAT is the right thing…?
        The main reason(s) why there is a decrease in birth rate is because of the widespread use of “artificial birth control” methods.
        Does this mean you approve of this…? By calling it “the right thing”…?
        Again…dbl talk.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

          Hmnn, you don’t understand.  You’re attacking the strawman.

        The
        anti-RH is against institutionalizing contraceptives.  What happens in
        the private lives of the couples engaging in sex is none of our
        business.  Do you understand?  So your double talk tirade has no effect.

        And oh, there are
        other factors why the population growth rate has been declining the past
        years.  It is not solely because of widespread artificial birth control
        methods. Research for it. 

        It doesn’t hurt to make right arguments.  Your post is an eyesore.
        Typical of you guys.

      • mamer2

        It is you who is an “insult” in this section.

        Parading your perceived intelligence…, which in fact is just a figment of your mind.The strategy of the anti-RH is to delay voting to the point of .”inutil”.

        And you, trying to make yourself a “champion” of the Church…, when your actions and comments uncovers the “wolf, hiding in sheep’s clothing”
        A very very poor defender of the faith…, mr bad mouth.

      • filipinaskoh

        If it works with the sector of the”educated, employed and formal settlers” I don’t think so that it will not work with the POOR SECTOR or DEPENDENT sector. Gloria Arroyo knew that well that’s why she only had THREE kids because she uses contraceptives and benefited from it and so thus for all families who planned well the number of their children.

        CONTRACEPTIVES had been used/ continuously being used and been long in the drug store, what we are talking here is the POOR WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT,

        YOU-ANTIRHBILL- DOESN’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DEBATING FOR.

    • filipinaskoh

      Then why is it the population in 2000 is just about 77 million and in 2011 it is about 94 million. With an INCREASED OF 17 MILLION.
      Where is the decrease in population you are talking about.

      If you are talking of percentage- if the population is just about 100,000 and an increased of 10,000 that is already 10%. But if the population is 100,000,000 an increased of 1,000,000 the growth rate is only 1% – the difference is too big if your basis is PERCENTAGE – that is PURELY IGNORANCE

      The growth in population belongs to the POOR SECTOR of the government – they are mostly uneducated,unemployed, illegal settlers etc.,.While those in the sector of educated, employed and formal settlers had almost ZERO GROWTH RATE. Sila ang nagpapakain sa lumolobong population through their TAX.- The proportion between these two sectors is becoming at a fast speed NO LONGER BALANCE. PAGDATING NG PANAHON- WHO WILL FEED THESE THE POOR SECTOR- Kaya mo ba silang panagutan?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         double face palm.

        I said decreasing population growth rate… not decreasing population.

        They are different.

        What the eff are you talking about???

        Reading comprehension problem?

        Or you don’t know statistics?

      • mamer2

        double talk…, double logic…. = double tongue.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Such gibberish…

        Thou know not logic.  Thou know not correlation.  Thou know not causation.  Thou know not statistics.

  • mamer2

    The “RH-Bill” has been “on the shelf” for years and years.

    Have the Bishops forgotten that “Procrastination is a SIN”…?

  • mamer2

    @Rolly Antonio -
    Your figures belie what in reality is happening.

    In the early 50′s of the last millennium, France, a predominantly Catholic nation, had more than double the population of the Philippines.
    Today, the Philippines has a population of almost double that of France.
    Even our highways are “littered” with children, walking on the sides, placing themselves in danger. This situation is seldom seen, if ever, in European countries.., Catholic nations at that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       So you’re saying that National Statistics Coordination Board, which is a government agency, lie?  Hahaha.

      The data from NSCB is being used by the government in their policy making.  You surely need to revisit your statement.

      This happens when figures slam the reality unto your faces.

      • mamer2

        And what are the statements of NSCB…?

        What figures are you talking about…?You talk in intangibles and in symbols and innuendos.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         NSCB don’t make pronouncements.  They present figures.  Cold numbers that don’t lie.

        It is us, the government, the people, with or without agenda, who interpret those numbers.

        But the trend is very telling.  We are experiencing a slowdown in the population growth rate without RH bill.

        IT’s a direct contradiction to the claim of many that we are experiencing unbridled population growth.  *cough* Lagman *cough*

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    no to rh…this is all but satanistic order

    • sked482

      And I guess those who are against it are holy. Enough to get GMA canonized perhaps? Just kidding. Hehehe.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        non sequitur

      • sked482

         Exactly. Thank you.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        toinks

  • mamer2

    Look who’s talking…, re: who’s who being brainwashed.

  • Garote

    These pro-RH bill advocates must be members of the luciferian cult that do sacrifices of children as part of their religious rituals. Statistics are clear that we have a very low population growth of 1.9%. Why are they demanding for the passage of the RH bill to control population when it’s very low already. We are on the threshold for a population implosion — race extinction. Do these RH advocates still have souls or have they sold their souls to Faustus?

    • http://www.facebook.com/jake.dionisio.5 Jake Dionisio

      Irrelevant. For all we know, the ones contributing to the growth can’t support what they are contributing.

      • Garote

        Unresponsive!

    • mamer2

      Another anti-RH…, presenting their side with “name calling”…!
      Low population growth, when we are one of the highest in the world.And who are you to give judgement and codemnation…?
      More papist than the Pope…, if ever there was one.
      Italy, France, Spain and Ireland…, they all have their own form of RH…,
      and even have ‘divorce’.
      Yes indeed. More papist than the Pope.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Because there are many families with 10+ children who  PAY NO TAXES.

      This is not sustainable in any economic system.

      • Garote

        These families with 10 children, who are poor, have their children grown up and gone abroad to work as OFWs. They are the ones now holding our economy from collapsing due to their dollars remittances. While you and your family have college degrees but only contribute miserly to our country, All day long, you blog in the internet putting down these “modern heroes” who worked and  sweat it out so that you could  blog whatever senseless ideas you have all day — 24/7.

  • mamer2

    @facebook-100001565433198:disqus -WHY is it tha prodominantly/overwhelming Catholic countries are falling behind, economically, compared to its neighbors…?
    Example…, Most South American countries, Mexico…, Ireland, Spain, Italy…, and the PHILIPPINES.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       Correlation is not causation…

      I know what you’re trying to show.  Don’t bet on it.  You will only eat dust.

      Again, read, with conviction…

      Correlation is not causation.

      • mamer2

        Your points to protect your side is nothing more than insulting other people.

        Is this how you argue your cause…, instead of logic and proven materials…?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         You should read what you posted….

        Still not able to learn about correlation and causation?

        Ah, you failed miserably.

        Besides, this is irrelevant.

        Or maybe you don’t know why is this irrelevant?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       Besides, Ireland, Spain and Italy have been progressing for so many years already.

      The economic problems they face now has nothing to do with religion.

      Read up – Euro crisis.  You might learn something new.

      Read up – Red Herring.  You have to avoid it.

      • mamer2

        You are fond of belittling the knowledge of other people.

        Meanwhile, the points you present are so unrealistic.If Spain, Ireland and Italy have been progressing for so many years…, then WHY
        are they on the “negative-side” of the Euro group of nations, economically, in this very recent event…? Why do they need bail-outs…, NOW…?

        It is you who may need more learning/reading.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         EURO Crisis… and what it has to do with RH?

        Another failed attempt… but to be fair, you failed miserably. 

        Just to remind you, I have addressed such kind of tactics before… but your style is very lame. 

        I’m tempted to revise your whole post for you to make it more convincing for me.  Hahaha. 

      • mamer2

        hahahaha….
        you present points out of the figments of your warpped mind.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         That’s it?  What a lame comeback. 

      • Garote

         It’s not unrealistic, it’s just that you are too slow in the head to understand Rolly Antonio’s simple points.

      • mamer2

        another psuedo intellectual who are fond of name calling.

        For the lack of a valid argument, a side resorts to insults and name-calling.

        Okey…, Garote…, expound on those simple points…, if 
        you are a  ”fast-head”…, as you imply, you are.

      • mamer2

        Calling me “slow in the head” makes you a FAST-Head.
        And by this, I suppose, you are proud being called this…, dupe.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Because in the catholic countries, Donation = Bribery.

      • Garote

        Because for pro RH bill, YES RH BILL= MONEY FROM PHARMA

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6YY66XPT63YFGHDKYTMIO4CM Daniel

    Education, Health, Economy and Security should be the priority of PNoy. RH Bill will only amplify the evil ways of men.

    The “tuwid na daan” will be realized soon if the administration junks this bill once and for all.

    NO TO RH BILL.

  • ThePattern

    Rolly Antonio – patay na lahat ng “killer amendments” ng antiRH solons at senators. whine all you want. good luck.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       I don’t care about that.  We’re not discussing about that.

      You may rejoice, however.  That’s a victory for you guys.  Hahaha.

      But that doesn’t mean you’re devoid of logic.

      • ThePattern

        kami pa daw devoid of logic? lol

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         The readers can read your posts.  They can decide.  Believe me, you’re devoid of logic.

      • ThePattern

        ikaw na lol! kumagat talaga!

  • Mitchel

    Foreign bribe drives RH Bill.  I thought Filipinos are the sovereign people of the Philippines.  High treason by elected officials who accepted the 30 pcs of silver from the evil foreign interest groups. Money is the reason behind the ridiculous move of pushing an unnecessary and harmful bill. Hence, many years from now  your names will be remembered in infamy.

    • IsipPinoy

       And may I also say that Catholicism, a foreign religion drives the anti RH efforts. I thought there is separation of church and state in this country and why the church whose head, the Pope, a foreigner meddles in our domestic affairs.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         There are atheists and agnostics who are against RH too.  The media focused so much on the church because we are the most vocal. 

        Separation of church and state, once again.  It doesn’t mean that the church cannot say its opinion on matters that affect the welfare and morality of its people.  RH is also a moral issue. 

        Last time I checked, the church people are Filipinos too…

        You are confused… parroting the same line or arguments that have been debunked before…

        Separation of church and state – don’t use this defense if you don’t know how to use it. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Type BBC PAGPAG on Youtube and see what the Poor Pinoys eat.

  • filipinaskoh

    In response to Rolly Antonio – Genious in his OWN CRAZY statistic

    So how are you going to solve the POPULATION PROBLEM? Just like that we have a slow growth rate. 

    Your STATISTIC would be much-much better if you put THE GROWTH RATE per sector of the GOVERNMENT- from there you will KNOW why RHBILL is  URGENTLY NEEDED

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       UP Professors:  RH Bill is not a population Control Measure

      filipinaskoh and others:  RH Bill will make the decline in population fast (as implied).

      If it is not a population control measure, how could it make the population go down faster.

      One of you is l-y-i-n-g

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Our economy is labor intensive.  We depend on the skills of our people.  Hence, to introduce a bill that aims to “reduce” our population is simply myopic.

    Myopic because it looks at the present without considering the effects in the future.

    Japan and Singapore have been experiencing ageing population… and now they want to revert back to inviting citizens to procreate.

    It is not elastic that we can go back to “young population” if we wish.  Japan and Singapore are experiencing problems convincing their citizens to make children.  This is the culture of contraception.  The myopic don’t understand this.

    • pej1972

      What “labor intensive”? Our economy, is consumer oriented, dami nga wala trabaho! Kung skills naman pag uusapan, madami nga walang skills, ayun nakatambay, kaya ndi matanggap sa trabaho.

  • filipinaskoh

    CONTRACEPTIVES had been used/ continuously being used and been long in the drug store, what we are talking here is the POOR WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT,
    YOU-ANTIRHBILL- DOESN’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DEBATING FOR

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       By all means, buy them contraceptives.  We don’t need to make it a law wherein Implementation Rules and Regulations will have to be implemented and on some parts of the bill will hand down punishment to those who disagree.  That’s the BIG problem.

      Why institutionalize contraceptives?  Information abound for so long now.

      Poor people may not even want to use contraceptives.  Have you thought about it?  Haha.

      This is the problem of you people… You treat poor people as if they are guinea pigs, without a right to procreate.  This should be voluntary.

      And I doubt that these poor people have no means to buy contraceptives.  Magkano lang naman yan.  May pambili nga ng yosi at alak.

      What you have to change is the culture of the poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Repost!  Population growth rate declining the past years.

    1970    3.081975    2.781980    2.711990    2.351995    2.322000    2.362007    2.042010    1.90  

    Again, this is happening without the RH bill.

    No need to legislate.

    Just empower the women and provide good education.

    Women tend to be less fertile.  
     

    • sked482

      You look at a single line of national growth rates for the past 40 years and then claim to be doing “trend analysis” and by that conclude that we don’t need to legislate the RH Bill?

      Brilliant. Hahahaha. In a funny sort of way.

      Oh you conveniently ignore too many things to arrive at your, err.. conclusion.

      Perhaps the reason posts like these get ignored is because they are really a non-argument.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Hmmm, the numbers show that the population growth rate is decreasing.

        Numbers don’t lie…

        But liars will surely twist the arguments, beat around the bush and make bull$hits.

        It seems you can’t refute the numbers.

        It seems you are out of good arguments already.

        Did I conveniently ignore too many things?  Actually that’s my observation on you pro-RH people.

        You ignored that we are labor-intensive economy.

        You ignored that those countries who have made contraceptive culture are now facing ageing population problem.

        You ignored that the RH bill is myopic for it did not consider the root cause of the problem.  Band-aid solution.

        You ignored the fact that the population growth rate is decreasing the past years without RH bill.  So why allot a 14B budget for something that we clearly don’t need?

        You ignored that corruption is prevalent and that’s one of the main problems of our society, the main reason why there are too many poor people.

        You ignored your faulty logic.  Sad.

      • sked482

        Yes but they don’t show that the numbers are decreasing in the future, and there’s no assurance that in the future they will decrease eh, simply based on your “trend analysis”.

        Yes you did ignore other statistics. Next time you attempt to do some analysis to arrive at an important conclusion, try to get and look at a broader range of data, including hunger statistics, maternal mortality rates, perceived needs for family planning, stats on stds, etc. etc.. Looking at a single line of statistics, and macro statistics at that, betray your shallow logic. It in fact contradicts your own line of reasoning that the RH bill is not about population growth rates, but here you are basing your conclusion by looking solely at data on national growth rates.

        Well at least your own argument seems to at least convince your own self. while the rest of us gets amused. So maybe your non argument isn’t a waste after all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         The experts have made necessary interpolations.  Those are experts.

        Clearly, you don’t belong to our field… the field of scientists, engineers, mathematicians.

        =========

        A lot of poisoning the well too.  You’re assuming too much that we’re not looking at those numbers.

        And you’re funny, maternal mortality rate has nothing to do with RH bill.  You and the lawmakers are confusing the cause and the effect.  Another myopic insight.  Attributing no contraceptives to maternal deaths for the simple reason that there should have been no maternal deaths if they have contracepted.  Such a shallow argument. 

        The rest are funny and annoying at the same time.  Haha.

      • sked482

        Ahhh, so now you’re an expert, it figures. Hahaha. Of all your illogical conclusions bro, this is the funniest, hands down.

        Alright, alright. Since expert ka at nasa field na ka ng scientists, engineers at mathematicians dapat ka ngang paniwalaan.  Sige na, since nagbubuhat ka na ng sariling bangko, magaling ka na, okay. Satisfied? Hahaha. How pathetic.

    • mufflercutter

      Refer to birth rate data instead of population growth rate. Population growth rate includes migrant and does not refer wholly to the number of children born while Definition of Birth rate: This entry gives the average annual number of births during a year per 1,000 persons in the population at midyear; also known as crude birth rate. The birth rate is usually the dominant factor in determining the rate of population growth. It depends on both the level of fertility and the age structure of the population.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         The total fertility rate shows the same trend.  The past years, it has been going down.

        Please search on the internet.

    • ApoNiLolo

      I’m neither pro nor anti in this RH bill issue and I’m looking at it from afar. Your post detailing our dwindling population is positive news. It’s a good sign that we are adjusting, putting into mind our population growth in concurrent to our economic sustainability.

      The aim of the bill is to guarantee universal access of our citizen to methods on contraception, abortion, fertility control, sexual education and maternal care. Nowhere in its provisions did I read that all of these will be implemented forcefully to our citizen, except for the mandatory sex education to be included in the curriculum of our students (which I find sensible). In fact it clearly state that one has a freedom of choice to avail of it in a voluntary basis. So, the “speculative” claim that the real purpose of this bill is to “stun” our population growth is baseless.

      If this is just a government policy of PNoy, any president after him can scrap and throw it in the dustbin. Making it into law guarantees all its provisions being implemented no matter who sits in Malacaniang, thus, allowing our citizen who ever wants/needs access to it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Pro-RH and anti-RH people know that the state cannot force this.

        It’s not a speculation.  It’s an attack to those pro-RH people who claim that this is  a population control measure.  They haven’t seen the contradiction yet.

        And of course, Edcel Lagman who is very passionate about the “unbridled population growth”.  That’s in the news.

        This is a very very very dangerous place we’re threading.  You know about laws, it can be twisted with the right wording.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Forget Lagman. His was but a shadow of the present amended RH bill.

        If it’s not about the bill, but the “assumed” repercussion resulting from a wrong interpretation, what is it if not speculating? That’s the reason why it was amended. To make it “water proof” so as to appease those who are against it and stop those speculative ideas.

        After all the changes made in favor of the anti-RH proponent, still the “noise” goes on. That’s the reason why I’m in doubt of the real purpose of the anti-RH advocates.

    • pej1972

      Saang planeta ka ba galing? Perecntage lang yang ginagamit mo eh, maglagay ka nga ng actual numbers ng populasyun say from 1982 to 2012, then say na ang population growth ay declining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    UP Professors:  RH Bill is not a population Control Measure

    filipinaskoh and others:  RH Bill will make the decline in population fast (as implied).

    If it is not a population control measure, how could it make the population go down faster?

    One of you is l-y-i-n-g
     

    • sked482

      And yet you use population growth figures to conclude that we don’t need the RH Bill.

      Go embarrass yourself and contradict yourself some more. We won’t stop you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Errr, it seems like you don’t get the contradiction between the statements of the two…

        You’re not only devoid of logic but of reading comprehension too.

        Should I just spell it out for you?

      • sked482

        No need, I’ve seen enough gibberish today as it is. It was quite entertaining though, the way you set up non-arguments and contradict yourself.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Thank you for proving my point.  That you are devoid of logic.

      • sked482

        Well thank you for the amusement. It was fun while it lasted. But life is short and I have to log off now, so have a good night to everyone, pro or anti.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    If the state only offers choices for contraceptives, how certain the pro-RH that people will use it.

    This is the very reason why the UP professors claim that RH bill is not a population control measure.

    If it is not a population control measure, it is not designed to curb the population growth rate and total fertility rate.  Hence, it is only wishful thinking among pro-RH that they will achieve their ideal goal (whatever that is, they are one confused bunch) with RH bill.

    Choices don’t mean that people will start using them.

    Example:  I have many male friends who don’t like to use condom for it “reduces” the sexual satisfaction.  See?  Adults have already formed habits that are hard to break.

    • sked482

      So does that mean we should not educate them nor empower them to make correct choices, just because we cannot predict what they will do? Another non-argument. Ho-hum.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Attacking the helpless strawman.  You’re fond of it.  Have you taken up Logic101?  Haha.

        I have been an advocate for EDUCATION.  RH Bill is myopic and redundant.  What we need is EDUCATION for this will bring about change in culture.

        However, it is different from what you’re advocating for.  How could you have sex education if education in general is very poor?  How can you have sex education if we lack teachers and classrooms?  See?  Oh the contradiction.

        For the adults, EDUCATION can only help bring about information, but not alter their behavior.  For adults have already developed their own behavior, their own preference, their own fetishes, their own sexual arousal patterns.  It may be too late. 

      • sked482

        So who says that the RH Bill is against education? Does our need to improve our educational system eliminate the need for an RH bill? Now is that really a solid or concrete reason to say that we don’t need the RH Bill?

        You are the one seriously lacking in logic here. And I don’t need to setup and attack a straw man really, you are doing a pretty good job setting up illogical arguments on your own.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Another attack to the helpless strawman.  Where did I say that pro-RH people are against education?  We are talking about priorities.

        Do I really need to spell it out for you?

        You really need to brush up on your logic.

      • sked482

        You implied so much in your post. Well thinking that we can only have one without the other shows how narrow minded your logic is.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Another attack to the strawman…

        This is getting old.

        I don’t have time calling out your logical fallacies.

        Go get a tutor in logic101.

      • sked482

        And end up like you? No thanks. Keep your brand of logic to yourself. Talk about being myopic. Hehehe.

    • artz555

      It seems to me that most of the anti-RH people don’t want any form of RH bill passed in Congress at anytime; which means no change, and continue with the status qou. But the anti-RH people don’t represent the majority. And majority of the Filipino people, in most surveys, want an RH bill passed by Congress now. So therefore the anti-RH people, especially the current members of Congress should heed the call of the people, or suffer the wrath of the people later. In what form of consequences from the people’s wrath would be, only the people know.

       Majority of the people in these surveys want an RH bill passed in Congress now because they ( and most people ) believe that the present PH family planning program is weak or ineffective after all these years or decades now. One of the most compelling reasons why the present  program has been  ineffective is because the present program does not have enough teeth, or the force of the law such that those who oppose it ( whether it’s the conservatives, the know-it-alls’, some parts of the Church, and others ) could easily sabotage the program, or parts of the program, and thereby render the program weak and/or ineffective. Only an RH law from an RH bill is the answer to this weakness.

      Another very compelling reason for the passage of an RH bill now is because PH is lagging behind in the standard of living measure, compared to the other more progressive countries in SE Asia and the world. This is true, simply because of a lower per capita GDP share for every Filipino, resulting from the PH population that is a lot higher than comparable countries, such as Thailand, Malaysia, or Singapore. And if these trend continues, PH will suffer much lower and lower standards of living for every Filipino, for years to come, if no RH bill is passed.

      Many people believe also that the anti-ti RH people ( this includes the Church ) , call for slow and careful deliberations on the RH bill is a delaying tactic, just as Rep. Lagman has also pointed out in the more privilege speeches requested by  anti-RH Congressmen. And the Church should be reminded also of the clear provision of the PH Constitution that states as follows, ‘ The Separation of the Church and State is Inviolable ‘. After 13 years of debates and deliberations, when will this end ?

      After 13 years of delaying tactics, debates, deliberations and what have you, including exhaustive discussions in various forum in the Internet, it’s time to heed the call of the people. Pass the RH bill now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Total Fertility Rate

    1980        4.95
    1985        4.55
    1990        4.14
    1995       3.64
    2000       3.24
    2005        2.79
    2010       2.33

    The TFR has been declining the past years without RH bill.

    Please sarch Revised Costello – Casterline paper…

    There are other sources too that show the same trend.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       Hmmm, it seems like a pulled-out the wrong data.  Let me look for the UN data… hope I have time to post it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Population Growth Rate decreasing the past years without RH bill

    1970    3.08
    1975    2.78
    1980    2.71
    1990    2.35
    1995    2.32
    2000    2.36
    2007    2.04
    2010    1.90

    • artz555

      These numbers are still too high, and from 1090 to 2000, the growth rates of 2.35, 2.32, and 2.36, means that the growth rate in those years didn’t really go down all.

      Also , even with those declining trend, PH is still lagging behind it’s neighbors in SE Asia and others in per capta GDP or standard of living measures because of PH’s higher population growth rate compared to it’s neighbors.

      Furthermore, even with the high GDP growth last quarter, the DSWD just reported that more people are still suffering or has not improved in their situation, precisely because those numbers are still high.

  • madallison

    To all anti-rh people, let’s not talk anymore of religion, morality or anything else.  Not all of us are Catholics, not all of us are moral.  It’s not even about the population.  Forget all of those.  Just answer this question. I have posted this question so many times and have yet to see anyone answer this very simple question…should a couple who can only afford to properly feed, clothe and educate two children have 10 children?  Since they are poor and can’t afford to buy contraceptives, how will they keep from having more than two kids?  Please don’t say they should abstain or use natural methods, specially if the husband is the type who drinks and beats up the wife if she refuses.  Please answer this question first, and if you can’t provide a calm, logical and realistic answer, please don’t bother to answer and post all your ridiculous arguments and loud proclamations of fire and brimstone raining down on us if we pass the RH bill.  And as for the bill causing moral decay, wake up folks, it’s already here, teens are getting pregnant, spouses are cheating on their spouses, it’s already happening left and right.  This won’t make things worse, it’ll keep irresponsible people from having babies instead of aborting them.  Pass the RH bill already!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

      This is a loaded set-up, a theoretical set-up designed to elicit positive response for RH.

      The wife should have filed a case against his husband.

      The wife should have went to the nearest helpdesk to rescue her from misery.

      Then the wife should go to DSWD for CCT.  Huh!

      ===========

      Let me ask you this, do you have data to claim that this is prevalent in this country, or is it just an isolated case?

      Either way, it is no convincing reason to pass RH bill.

      • taga_ilog

        You live in a dream land if you don’;t know that this situation is happening,

      • joshmale2004

        Let me put it this way:
        RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILIES  :  3 to 4 children
        POOREST FAMILIES   : 5 to 7 children
        RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILIES- Can afford expensive consultations about family planning with private doctors.
        POOREST FAMILIES – Base their belief on family planning on neighbors and hearsays which result to misses.
        RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILES – Can afford to buy expensive and imported birth control products.
        POOREST FAMILIES – Can not afford to even buy the cheapest condom as they prioritize their hard earned money on food and shelter.
        RICH AND WELL TO FAMILIES – Can buy the most expensive medical care during pregnancy.
        POOREST FAMILIES – Can not even buy nourishment medicines for their unborn children.
           The RH Bill is not about catering to RICH FAMILIES NOR CURVE THE POPULATION. The RH Bill as I have read it tends to cater and take care and educate more on the POOREST FAMILY SECTOR in our society. BAKIT KAILANGANG IPAGKAIT NATIN TONG BENEPISYO NA PARA SA KANILA KUNG TAYONG MAY KAYA SA BUHAY GINAGAWA NATIN DAHIL MAY PERA TAYO. MAAWA NAMAN SANA KAYO SA MGA MAHIHIRAP NA NANAY NA GUSTONG MAG PLANO NG PAMILYANG HINDI SILA NABIBIGATAN. ABSTENTION IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THIS DILEMMA.

      • regd

        Rolls, sweetie, you ok boy? I’m no grammar police but what’s with the ‘against his husband’ thing? 

        And what the heck is ‘should have went to’? Who uses that? HAVE AND WENT NEVER GO EACH OTHER IN EDUCATED ENGLISH! YOU NEVER USE WENT, YOU USE ‘GONE’! 

        Do you even know how to use irregular verbs and past participles?Sorry m’boy, your argument seems shallow, guess maybe because your grammatical constructions are in disarray.

      • madallison

        Rolls, I said do not bother to answer unless you have a logical, realistic answer to my question.   File a case??? Where will she find money to pay a lawyer to file a case??? How will the help desk rescue her? Will they take her and all her kids in and support them financially?? Go to CCT? They have to qualify and if they do all they get is about P1,500 a month.  There is no way that will be enough! And since she has no means to support herself and her kids, how can she leave her husband who is earning their keep (which is hardly anything)? She has so many kids to take care of, even if she could find work, who will look after her kids? No, she can’t afford a yaya!  As for whether this is prevalent, if you would just step out of your cosy room and leave your laptop for a while and actually go to the squatter area nearest you and actually talk to these women, your little sheltered, closed and teeny tiny mind might be enlightened.  And this is an actual person i have met.  She is the sister of my maid, her name is Editha.  So please, imagine you are talking to Editha, what would you tell her? Be REALISTIC, please!  If you can’t come up with anything that makes sense, please don’t bother to answer because I won’t waste my time to even reply anymore. And this is not a loaded question, it’s the core of the RH bill, to help women to just have the  number of kids she and her partner can afford to raise decently so that they will grow up to be responsible and productive citizens.  So women have a choice.  It’s not compulsory, so I don’t see what the anti-rh people are objecting to.  If you  don’t want to use contraceptives no one is forcing you!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Some lawyers are pro-bono.  The state is responsible for giving you a lawyer if you can’t afford one.  Don’t you know that?

        If the husband was beating her, she should have already filed a case and be separated from the husband anyway. 

        I know, I know, it’s hard to accept the truth.  You know, when you create a situation then pretend that you’re not waiting for a positive response for RH bill.  You know, being stup!d to create stup!d situations like these where all characters are stup!d.  RH bill is not what we need then, but education.  Haha.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

     Total Fertility Rate

    1970        6.30
    1990        4.30
    2010        3.10

    This is more like it.  The UN data shows that our TFR has been declining the past 40 years.

    And it has declined by >50% from 6.30 to 3.10 without RH Bill.

    Research more about the inputs from Dr. Bernard Villegas on the doctored birth rates.  He claims that it should be lower than 3.1 now.

    • taga_ilog

      I don’t know where you got that data but it does not reflect the current situation in our country, you don’t see our population getting lower, in fact, there seems to be a baby boom. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Search UN data.  Google is your friend.

        That’s hilarious.  Pro-RH people don’t know the current TFR. 

        And you base your decision on what you observe.  As if what you observe is true for ALL.

        That’s just stup!d.

        At least, data from UN and NSCB don’t lie.  Perception can deceive you.

    • panhase

      Dr. Bernard Villegas. That´s your authority on population issues? Now I do understand your ramblings

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Is that it?  I don’t care the hell if you don’t agree with Dr. Bernard Villegas but at least present to this forum why you don’t agree with him.

        At least, Dr. Villegas was man enough to face the people from NSO.  And they exchanged ideas based on sound scientific methods. 

        Besides, I didn’t say that the data came from Dr. Villegas.  I just said that he claims that the current TFR is below 3.1.  You’re stup!d.

      • panhase

        So, you say I am stupid, well and you are?

    • riza888

      Even if the annual population growth has fallen to 1.8%, the Philippines continues to have one of the highest rates amongst its Asian neighbors. The disparities in fertility rates among Filipino women are directly related to poverty and lack of education. Women from the wealthiest, most educated sector of the country on average have two children while those in the poorest, least educated have five or more. Larger families are typically poorer than smaller families and have fewer resources to invest in their children’s education. An uneducated girl is more likely to give birth to more children, and thus the cycle continues.  The main cause of this disparity in fertility is lack of access to contraception for the country’s poorest women. 

      Passage of this RH bill is a critical first step in addressing one of the fundamental barriers for many Filipinos: COST. If all women, regardless of economic status, are empowered to make decisions about if, when and how many children they have, the positive ripple effects will be experienced by generation after generation.

    • mamer2

      This is a misrepresentation of facts.
      Just like cigarette companies, then, saying that smoking does not cause cancer…, per their scientific study.

    • mamer2

      Your data presented does not belie the fact that more and more street children are roaming, living, surviving in our busy city streets…, from year to year…., 
      EVER INCREASING.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MDAWMT3LIDHOCW7ZTSYXZEUQQ4 ghe

    Ilang taon na itong RH debate. Magbotohan na  lang.

  • joshmale2004

    Let me put it this way:
    RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILIES  :  3 to 4 children
    POOREST FAMILIES   : 5 to 7 children
    RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILIES- Can afford expensive consultations about family planning with private doctors.
    POOREST FAMILIES – Base their belief on family planning on neighbors and hearsays which result to misses.
    RICH AND WELL TO DO FAMILES – Can afford to buy expensive and imported birth control products.
    POOREST FAMILIES – Can not afford to even buy the cheapest condom as they prioritize their hard earned money on food and shelter.
    RICH AND WELL TO FAMILIES – Can buy the most expensive medical care during pregnancy.
    POOREST FAMILIES – Can not even buy nourishment medicines for their unborn children.
       The RH Bill is not about catering to RICH FAMILIES NOR CURVE THE POPULATION. The RH Bill as I have read it tends to cater and take care and educate more on the POOREST FAMILY SECTOR in our society. BAKIT KAILANGANG IPAGKAIT NATIN TONG BENEPISYO NA PARA SA KANILA KUNG TAYONG MAY KAYA SA BUHAY GINAGAWA NATIN DAHIL MAY PERA TAYO. MAAWA NAMAN SANA KAYO SA MGA MAHIHIRAP NA NANAY NA GUSTONG MAG PLANO NG PAMILYANG HINDI SILA NABIBIGATAN. ABSTENTION IS NOT THE ANSWER TO THIS DILEMMA.

    • mamer2

      Poor & Poorest Families get their info/knowledge…, believing that the “natural method” of birth control is best.
      It is only very recently that they, these pseudo-health/medical experts included in their instructions the testing for body temperature and acidity/alkaline to make this method more effective.
      The thought by itself, in their giving such instructions, is a “willful thought to sin”…., 
      if indeed it is a “sin”. Contradictory.., apparently.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    WAG NA KAYO MAG TALO TALO ISA LANG MASABI KO IPASA ANG R.H BILL TAPOS MALAY MO MAGING NEW ZEALAND TAYO O KAYA SUWITZERLAND TAYO MAS MARAMI ANG BAKA SA TAO KAYA WALANG PATAY GUTOM”

    • mamer2

      Some anti-RH might even say that “that is B-A-D”…!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    DI MORIN MASISI ANG SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO BAKIT PAG NAWALA ANG MGA PATAY GUTOM AT MGA BATANG PALABOY MAWAWALA ANG DESPERADO MAG SISIMBA MAWAWALAN SILA NG KITA KAYA SORY CARNIVAL TAGLE KAILANGAN NG SABIHIN ANG TOTOO”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    AKO KATOLIKO DIN AKO PERO NAWALAN NA AKO GANA MAG SIMBA NAIISIP KO NALANG DI BA SA BIBLE GOD IS EVERY WHERE SIGURO MAS MAGANDA IBIGAY NALANG NATIN SA NASALANTA NG BAGYO AT NANGANGAILANGAN ANG ABULOY NATIN NAKIKITA TAYO NG DIYOS SA GINAGAWA NATIN MAG SIMBA KA PAG LABAS MO SANTAMBAK PULUBI AT BATANG PALABOY TINGNAN MO LOOB NG SIMBAHAN PUNO PUNO NG CCTVS VIDEO LOOB LABAS NG SIMBAHAN SA DAMI NG BATA PALABOY”AT ISNATCHER”

    • Francis81

       Ang budget  sa disaster ay P13B pero ang budget sa population control ay P 21B+.  Ipamigay na lang ang budget ng population control sa biktima ni Pablo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SORY NALANG CARNIVAL TAGLE SABIHIN NA TOTOO SA ITALYA MAY R.H BILL PERO SA VATICAN WALA KASI DUN BINIBILANG ANG KOLEKSIYON ABULOY”’ SABI NGA NI TITO SOTTO NOOD NALANG KAYO NG EAT BULAGA NG MALIMUSAN KAYO”

    • Francis81

       Obobs talaga tong mga yellow warriors ni Carandang. Una bakit magkaroon ng “Bill” sa Roma? Independent state yan na kontrolado ng Santo Papa. Ang batas ng Simbahan ay siya ring batas sa Roma.  Baka ang ibig mong sabihin sa Italia may batas hingil sa population control. Batas na po yan at hind  na “Bill.”

      Ay! Babae pala tong si alias Edgardo Mendoza at Muslim pa!

  • mangtom

    I guess I have seen the “light”-abstinence. Yes, the CBCP, or cone heads as these creeps have been referred to lately, (I call them dumbheads) are absolutely right: abstinence will solve our ills.

    ABSTINENCE FROM STICKING THEIR DIRTY NOSE IN GOVERNMENT AND POLITICAL AFFAIRS. This RH bill would have been passed eons ago had this dumbheads ABSTAINED from influencing the spineless lawmakers. 

    Yes, sir. You cone and dumbheads were right all along. Let us abstain from sticking our nose in matters we are not concerned or no knowledge about. 

    Thank you for your advocacy for ABSTINENCE. From now now you shut the  f%ck up and stay in your caves, I mean, convent, just PLAY  with each other. No abstinence needed kasi you cannot impregnate each other from the way you act-unnatural sex.

    One more thing, there was a talk that Vatican wants the priests celibate because having families is a financial burden to the catholic church. Tama nga naman, magastos ang may familia. Instead na ipadala sa Vatican and collection nila, gagastosin sa pagkain ng anak, health care, education, etc. Marunong talaga si papa (a.k.a. the biggest cone head of them all). Pagcelibate sila, they just molest the altar boys or impregnate their parishioners and spend no penny. If nabuking, madali lang ang solution: assign them in a distant diocese which absolves him from his crime and starts his merry old ways with the new and fresh victims.

    Speaking of morality, there you are. The prelates, (bakit ba pre na late pa), are OUR GUARDIANS OF MORALITY. I THINK I WILL NOW CONVERT TO CATHOLICISM and forget about the RH blll-wanna join me? Looks like my logic has been screwed up by these cone heads.

    Pass the RH bill. Too much BS from the anti-RH bill sector has been going on. Do you know what the farmer said to the dead horse? No more sh#t out of you. That goes for you CBCP

    • mamer2

      Catholic vote…? WHAT Catholic Vote…?
      R.C. supported senatorial candidates never made it to 
      the “magic circle”, even after several attempts.

  • melanioamarillo

    Bishop Gabriel Reyes still hopes the president will change his mind after Filipino Catholics  received double whammy gifts  from Vatican, the canonization  of Pedro Calungsod and the elevation of bishop Antonio Tagle to the college of cardinals in Rome. And to further dramatize the stand of the bishops,  bishop Reyes threatened  that the relations between the church  and the Aquino government will suffer if the president won’t change his mind. Bishop Reyes further showed his passion for drama and theatre as he said, ” Of course the church will be sad about it if the president won’t change his mind.”  Some movie-goers say the want to see a sad and suffering church

    • mamer2

      Please note that even the Vatican tolerates Italy’s version of the RH-Law.
      Ditto for Spain and France, both having majority Roman Catholic countries.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    aYAN umandar nanaman ang isang haligi ng religion na nagpapahirap sa bansa.
    Hindi po ako proud bilang Katoliko, sa ginagawa ng highrarchy ng Romano-Katolikong leader simbahan sa Pilipinas. Sasabihin the only Asia nation a Catholic nation…… what kind of nation? More children on the street begging for food or penny, full of criminalities, rampant corruptions in government the church keep silent as long as they recieve money or car! Is this the lessons that we’ve get from this church!

    Binibira ko po ang liderato ng simbahan Romano-Katoliko na mga mukhang pera at nagpapanggap na maka Dios na puno naman ng kasakiman! Ako po ay Katoliko…gusto ko lang itong magreporma, mag asawa na ang mga pari para sakanilang pag tanda hindi naman sila kawawa pag nag retire na sila.

    • Francis81

       No problemo, lumipat ka na lang sa Iglesia ni Ragnarok at magsama kayo ng amo mong si Pweenoy dun.

      • mamer2

        Sarcasm will get you nowhere.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HKLP2AAOAR42DF6ZSECKTURUOU Egon

       lumayas ka sa katoliko. di ka rin kailangan dun lalo na ang hulog mong limampiso linggo linggo na sinisilipan mo pa ng butas.

  • albayislands

    the bishop the church wants more POOR people in the philippines so that they can collect more donations using the WORD help the POOR. No POOR people can even go to their SCHOOL and yet they preached to HELP the POOR. But they live in LUXURY. I remember the DEVIL pretending to be an ANGEL…….  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HKLP2AAOAR42DF6ZSECKTURUOU Egon

       lumang tugtugin. ikaw ilan na natulungan mo? baka ni hindi ka makadalaw sa mga ampunan ng simbahan para pasayahin ang mga batang andun. e ikaw ano ginagawa mo ha?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

      This ignor-a-mus may have not known yet that the church is supporting many charitable institutions that aim to help the poor.

      This is understandable.  They open their mouth first before they think.

      • artz555

        Yes, the church and others are supporting charitable programs for the poor. But  if this trend continues and no RH bill bill is passed by Congress, the situation will get worse and worse with more and more poor people coming in year after year, such that the church and the government would not be able to handle the situation.
        ………..This probably is already happening in some places in PH.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    Itong si Cardinal Tagle ang saya saya niya dahil malaki na ang share niya sa Vatican at malaki pa ang porseyento niya sa kanyang nasasakupang mga simbahan, i kong bigyan niya ng quota ang bawat parokya na dapat ipadala sa kanyang bank account….talagang masaya siya. Hindi lang yon bibili pa siya ng shares of stock sa mga companya, or palagay pa siyang religious school na except naman sa tax…diba masaya maging Cardinal so powerfull.

    But me….NO WAY! I WILL NEVER  EVER A VICTIM OF THIS ROMAN-CATHOLIC CHURCH who loves more the Vatican than my country of birth. Church highrarchy doesn’t want people to learn in order the member will just follow(no objection heard) I visited the church if there is no mass.

    I want to see a reform in the leadership of this church where I was baptized!

    • Francis81

       Tong mag Yellows pag nilait ang Simbahan napaka bastos, siguradong nautusan ni Pweenoy to na saksakan ng bastos.  Subalit pag kaharap ang mga obispo kulang na lang lumuhod si Pweenoy sa harap nila. Kung sabagay sanay naman si Pweenoy lumuhod sa harap ng mga lalaki. Ooops bawal pala ang bastos. Hihihi…..

  • mangtom

    Edgardo MendozaCollapseWAG NA KAYO MAG TALO TALO ISA LANG MASABI KO IPASA ANG R.H BILL TAPOS MALAY MO MAGING NEW ZEALAND TAYO O KAYA SUWITZERLAND TAYO MAS MARAMI ANG BAKA SA TAO KAYA WALANG PATAY GUTOM”Sagut: Edgar, siempre bababa din ang precio ng steak kung oversupply ang baka. Anak ng baka talaga itong mga CBCP. Walang problema sa kanila ang mataas na precio ng pagkain kasi marami namang supporta nila galing sa mahihirap-proof-ang lalaki ng tiyan gaya ni Santa Claus.Sana matupad yong sabi mo kasi paborito ko ang steak, pero wala namang akong ibili. Mahirap pa nga bumili ng STICK-LOL.

  • http://twitter.com/romanovsjewels Cesar

    do not rush ? how many decades more shall RH bill stall passage princely/kingly rc church prelates? 

  • Seroquel55

    Although Cardinal Tagle and P.Aquino are friends, Cardinal Tagle’s loyalty is first and foremost is to his Mother Church. If Cardinal Tagle has to cross the line between his friendship with P.Aq and his Church, definitely Tagle will put both of his foot on the Church’s line.

    • pej1972

      Right!!! Filipinos should realise that Tagle’s loyalty is with the Vatican state and not with the Philippines!!!

  • riza888

    To Rolly Antonio:
    Even if the annual population growth has fallen to 1.8%, the Philippines continues to have one of the highest rates amongst its Asian neighbors. The disparities in fertility rates among Filipino women are directly related to poverty and lack of education. Women from the wealthiest, most educated sector of the country on average have two children while those in the poorest, least educated have five or more. Larger families are typically poorer than smaller families and have fewer resources to invest in their children’s education. An uneducated girl is more likely to give birth to more children, and thus the cycle continues.  The main cause of this disparity in fertility is lack of access to contraception for the country’s poorest women. 

    Passage of this RH bill is a critical first step in addressing one of the fundamental barriers for many Filipinos: COST. If all women, regardless of economic status, are empowered to make decisions about if, when and how many children they have, the positive ripple effects will be experienced by generation after generation.

  • mamer2

    How effective is “abstinence and self control”…?

    Even the clergy can not be 100% in this regard.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      If Little Boys can get Pregnant, these Damasos will want CONDOMS.

  • UrHONOR

    “We are here to serve the poor”  tapos, mga prinsipe, bishop, archbishop, monsignor, at kung -ano-ano pang mga kaleettsihang titulo ang kinakabit sa mga pangalang nilang pulpul at abalang-abala sa kung ano-anong mga decorasyon ang ilalagay sa kanilang mga helmet at mga palamuti sa mga saya at kapa… at pagbibilang ng sangkatutak na kita sa kanilang mga financial investments sa kanilang mga mansions….. samantalang ang mga POOR na i-se-serve DAW nila ay patuloy sa paglusong sa lubluban ng kalabaw. PHSAW!  Anong tawag mo dyan kundi panlilinlang sa kahinaan ng pag-iisip ng karamihan?

    “We are here to bleed the POOR” is more like it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

       Illogical.

      Wouldn’t it make more sense that they help the poor become rich so that the church can get more donations from them?

      Ooops, did I just expose your stup!dity?

      • UrHONOR

        OOOPS!!!!….you just betrayed your brainless and idiotic thinking cap.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        Trying to cover up your stup!dity, aren’t you?

        The church would benefit more if there are more rich individuals than poor.

        You, being a myopic, illogical, emotionally charged anti-church, have not thought about it.

        Boo-hoo.

      • UrHONOR

        OOOPS!!!!….you just betrayed your brainless and idiotic thinking cap…..AGAIN?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

     Show us data of correlation of TFR and poverty.  Give us your source.  I have searched the data from NSCB and I couldn’t find one.

    As what the UP professors have said, RH bill is not a population control measure. 

  • UrHONOR

    HUWAG nga namang dalian….:”Hindi pa kami tapos sa pananakot namin!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    If RH bill is not a population control measure, then it is not designed to curb population growth rate and TFR.

    Pro-RH are daydreaming if they think that something not designed as a population control measure will help curb population growth rate and total fertility rate.  They are living in a fantasy world if they think that it will help alleviate poverty.

    If the state only offers choices to people, then the people can opt not to choose it since there’s no punitive action for them.

    • mamer2

      That’s much better than what the anti-RH could offer…, which is NOTHING.
      All talk and sermons, and mis-representation of data.
      Oh yes…, and insults and name-calling.
      Are these all that the anti-RH could offer..?

    • artz555

      Irregardless of what you and other people say here, does not mean anything because at the end of the day, majority of the Filipinos has said in most surveys,…. they want an RH bill passed in Congress…. End of discussion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Repost!

    Total Fertility Rate

    1970        6.30
    1990        4.30
    2010        3.10

    This is more like it.  The UN data shows that our TFR has been declining the past 40 years.

    And it has declined by >50% from 6.30 to 3.10 without RH Bill.

    Research more about the inputs from Dr. Bernard Villegas on the
    doctored birth rates.  He claims that it should be lower than 3.1 now.

    • UrHONOR

      BOSH!!!

    • artz555

      Those numbers, whatever those fertility rates mean, or however Dr. Villegas and others interpret them, does not mean anything to most Filipinos because majority of them, who really knows what is happening in their localities and in their lives now ( and not those numbers that change constantly, or what anybody says who just interprets things without the fear of the consequences if he could be proven wrong later ) , still wants an RH bill passed in Congress based on most surveys, irregardless of what people says, or what unreliable data they present.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Repost!

    Population Growth Rate decreasing the past years without RH bill

    1970    3.08
    1975    2.78
    1980    2.71
    1990    2.35
    1995    2.32
    2000    2.36
    2007    2.04
    2010    1.90

    Data from National Statistics Coordination Board.  Please search it on the internet.  This site doesn’t allow posting links. How inconvenient.

    • riza888

      Even if the annual population growth has fallen to 1.8%, the Philippines continues to have one of the highest rates amongst its Asian neighbors. The disparities in fertility rates among Filipino women are directly related to poverty and lack of education. Women from the wealthiest, most educated sector of the country on average have two children while those in the poorest, least educated have five or more. Larger families are typically poorer than smaller families and have fewer resources to invest in their children’s education. An uneducated girl is more likely to give birth to more children, and thus the cycle continues.  The main cause of this disparity in fertility is lack of access to contraception for the country’s poorest women. 

      Passage of this RH bill is a critical first step in addressing one of the fundamental barriers for many Filipinos: COST. If all women, regardless of economic status, are empowered to make decisions about if, when and how many children they have, the positive ripple effects will be experienced by generation after generation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

        There’s no need to institutionalize the use of contraceptives.  NGOs, private organizations here and abroad can support it.  Let them do it if that’s their advocacy.

        We don’t need another 14B be wasted on something that is not a direct solution to our problem.

      • riza888

        That was some very educated sounding BS. 

        How about this. Give poor women reproductive choice. Watch them then elevate themselves from a child-burdened cycle of poverty. 

        It works every time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

         Right…

        Children are burden.

        Poverty is caused by children.

        Condoms and contraceptives will help generate more jobs.

        Condoms and contraceptives will help stop corruption.

        Condoms and contraceptives will help families generate more income.

        You’re a genius.

        RH Bill just addressed the core problem of Filipinos.  The key is using condom and contraceptives.

      • riza888

        Wall Street Journal also has an article about the the number of hungry citizens rising in the Philippines. 
        Giving poor women the choice would lessen the amount of both abortions and unwanted pregnancies thereby greatly improving the standard of living for many people who otherwise would not have access to such medicines. 

      • artz555

        The above arguments are just absurd, narrow-minded, simplistic and myopic. 

        Condoms and contraceptives are not the only methods being recommended in the RH bill. Check the other methods, my friend.

      • artz555

        First of all, the present PH family program still needs to be improved ( whether it’s weak, inefficient, or ineffective and should have more teeth or force of the law ) because majority of the people in most surveys agrees with these assesment, and wants an RH bill passed by Congress ASAP.

        Most people believe that the most important factor that would improve the current PH family planning program in PH is to give the program more teeth or the force of the law, in order to prevent people who oppose it from sabotaging the program’s implementation.. With the enactment of an RH law, Congress does not have to spend more money, but just use the existing funds already allotted to it, and/or maybe just a  little bit more fuinds to make sure that the law is being implemented properly.    

        Again, with an enactment of an RH law, Congress just have to use the existing family program resources and funds already allotted to it, and just spend a little bit more to make sure that the law is being implemented properly, and that, it has enough resources to make the program successful.

    • UrHONOR

      RE-BOSH!

    • mamer2

      Support your data presented to realities & facts.
      Look and observe the ever increasing number of street children roaming the urban blvds.
      Endangering their lives…, and for what. ..? 
      In search of things to help keep body & soul together.

      And to what extent have your group done to help these ever-increasing unfortunates.?
      Many of whom live under bridges…, open fields…, over creeks and rivers.., etc etc.

    • artz555

      Mr. Antonio, don’t just site the improving trend in PH ( and also if you look further at the numbers, 2.35, 2.32, and 2.36 from 1990 to 2000, the population growth rate did not go down at all ) because compared to the more progressive countries in Asia and elsewhere, this 1.9 figure in 2010 is still high.

      And with this figure and even with the high GDP of PH in the last quarter, the DSWD just reported that more people are still suffering and/or has not improved their situation, precisely because those numbers are still too high.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Educated women tend to be less fertile.

    The drop of TFR in the past years can be attributed to many things, but one of which is EDUCATION.

    EDUCATION is the long term solution for this country.

    This RH bill, a myopic bill, can hurt our economy and our culture in the long run.

    Japan, Singapore and some European countries would like to say “Hi, our population is already ageing”.

    Haha.

    • riza888

      That was some very educated sounding BS. 

      How about this. Give poor women reproductive choice. Watch them then elevate themselves from a child-burdened cycle of poverty. 

      It works every time.

    • mamer2

      Why is the RH-Bill “a myopic bill”…?
      How can the RH-Bill “hurt our economy and our culture in the long run”…?

      Your comments on what they say are your own…, not those of Japan, Singapore etc.
      Meanwhile, these countries are having and enjoying better economies (fact) than us.

      You sure are fond of putting your fantasies over facts.
      For the lack of valid arguments…, you and some in your group turn to 
      insults and name-calling.
      We are no longer in that dark age where the church ruled supreme. (Actually, it was the bishops who wanted to rule supreme.)

    • UrHONOR

      MACARONICS!

    • artz555

      Yes, Japan, Singapore and some European countries are so rich, they can just hire OFWs to do the jobs their people may not want to do, and give whatever incentives it wants for it’s people for whatever purpose.

      Who would you like to be ? These countries who hire OFWs, or a country that supply OFWs who do not know now what’s in store for them when they work abroad ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    With our labor intensive economy, passing an RH bill is suicide.

    The article in Wall Street Journal agrees with this position.

    Myopic.  Suicide. 

    • UrHONOR

      B O S H!

    • artz555

      However, your Wall Street Journal author does not know, or doesn’t have a clue that most of these OFWs are still coming back to the country to compete again with the existing population for food, jobs, education, housing etc., thereby straining government resources further, lower further the per capita GDP share of every Filipino, and ultimately lower the standards of living of all Filipinos.

      Hence, there is still a need for the RH bill.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    Google is your friend.

    Search – Educated women tend to be less fertile.

    Numerous studies about education helping women to become more empowered, successful then eventually less fertile will come up.

    • mamer2

      Eureka…, a theory about education &/or being educated will make a woman less fertile.
      Probable Source… Harry Potter…, Lord of the Rings…, Avatar…etc etc.

      Hooray for stupidity…, emerging.

      • UrHONOR

        TOUCHE’!  Gustong magmagaling ng trying-hrad….hanyo na!  There’s always BLISS in IGNORANCE.

    • artz555

      Then, people who do not want women to be empowered, are (  to some critics ) ‘ anti- women ‘ ( male chauvinist pigs ), or women haters who want to control women’s rights and freedoms, including the freedom on what to do with their bodies and their lives.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001565433198 Rolly Antonio

    EDUCATION is the long term solution.

    RH Bill is a myopic bill.  Not even a solution.  Band-aid solution is a misnomer since it is never a solution to our problem.

    Population Growth Rate and Total Fertility Rate are decreasing without RH bill.

    We have Magna Carta for Women, which makes this RH bill also redundant.

    And it is promoting contraceptives which have been classified as Group A carcinogens by reputable medical societies.

    • riza888

      It is important for women to receive the proper education about family planning.

      There should also be full access to all types of contraceptives so women have that option.

      Covering birth control so that all women have access means fewer unplanned pregnancies meaning lower long-term healthcare costs and fewer abortions as well. Thinking long-term about healthcare costs would behoove you.

    • mamer2

      Which reputable medical societies.
      You are so fond of alledged name-dropping without any facts and sources actually presented.
      You and your hi-falutin demeanor that are just filled
      with empty arguments and statistics.
      There is quite a large number of the clergy who are not in favor of your anti-RH stand.

    • artz555

      Education and whatever  laudable advances the current PH family program has been made after all these years or decades is not enough, because majority people of the people in most surveys apparent still want an RH bill passed by Congress.

      Also, PH continues to lag the other more progressive countries in SE Asia and others in per capita GDP or the standard of living criteria..

  • napali808

    What
    planet are these cone heads on? Are they talking in light years? The UN
    Population Fund urges PH to pass the RH Bill to allow the gov,t. to
    supply free contraceptives to reduce maternal mortality rate. PH is
    considered as one of the highest in maternal mortality rate in SE Asia.
    This is the result of 14 years delay and the bishops think is not
    enough.

    Let us not forget why the Philippines is one of the seven countries
    globally where AID/HIV cases have risen to 25% since 2001, because the
    arrogant, know-it-all cone heads pressured GMA to ban the distribution
    of condom. It is happening again. We should learn from our past mistakes
    not just forget it. We should be assertive and do what is right for our
    country. We should vote for the needed RH BILL now!!

    And folks beware of the cone heads

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HANGANG NGAYON NAG TATALO TALO PARIN KAYO SINABI KO NA SA INYO IPASA NA ANG R.H BILL MALAY MO MAGING NEW ZEALAND TAYO O SUWITZERLAND MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA WALA PATAY GUTOM PAG SOBRA SUPLY KARNE BABA ANG PRESYO”  SA PILIPINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG PALABOY AT PULUBI SA BAKA DUMARAMI DESPERADO TAKBO SA SIMBAHAN KAYA MALAKAS ANG NEGOSYO NI CARNIVAL TAGLE!!! NGISING DEMONYO!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Type BBC PAGPAG on Youtube, Tagle.

    See what the Poor Pinoys eat everyday.



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