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Bishops, lawmakers meet on RH bill

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Speaker Feliciano Belmonte confirmed that he and other lawmakers met with some bishops in September. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

Lawmakers are optimistic that Congress will finally end the gridlock on the divisive reproductive health (RH) bill after some leaders of the Catholic Church have given their inputs to the substitute measure introduced by Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman.

A member of the House majority, who declined to be named because he was not authorized by the House to speak on the matter, said at least four bishops—Antonio Ledesma, Gabriel Reyes, Deogracias Iñiguez and Teodoro Bacani—who have been vocal in opposing the bill had given their inputs to the substitute measure.

The source said this explained why the substitute bill had been “toned down” from the original bill, which the Church had vigorously opposed for its provisions on mandatory population control measures. “With their endorsement, we expect the RH bill to be passed soon,” the source said.

Pangasinan Rep. Kimi Cojuangco said some bishops had met with some lawmakers to discuss the substitute RH bill. “This is true. They met with Speaker (Feliciano) Belmonte. RH bill proponents have already bent over backward to accommodate the antis and yet to no avail. The substitute bill is a good bill,” she said.

In a text message, Belmonte confirmed that he and other lawmakers met with some bishops in September. Belmonte, however, did not identify the bishops and did not say if the Catholic leaders would support the substitute bill as a compromise.

Cojuangco said that this week’s voting would be critical. “We will know more this week. If they (bishops) are supporting it (the substitute bill), of course, I am contented. In the language that bishops understand, ‘whatever you do for the least of my brothers that you do unto me.’ We all know who said those words and is what the RH bill is all about,” she said.

Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Church hierarchy’s Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, meanwhile, said Bishop Reyes, chairman of the commission, was not part of those who had written the substitute bill.

Castro said he mentioned to Reyes reports that identified the bishop as among those who had a hand in drawing up the substitute bill.

The bishop denied any involvement, Castro told the Philippine Daily Inquirer in a text message.


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  • tagahuron

    Everytime Pnoy and Lagman start resurrecting the RH Bill there is a typhoon coming. Can these two shut their big mouths once and for all on RH Bill to spare us from natural disasters?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      its much better if you yourself STFU!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CBBPG4SGSURB5V5A5BBQX4HF2Y Peter

      the Phlippines is the ONLY country in this planet that still has artificial family planning and opposes divorce, this coming December 21 will be the end of the world, and the Philippines will be spared of destruction for opposing RH bill, MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS lahat tayo sigurado na pupunta sa langit.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

        may kilala ka bang nakarating na dun? pano mo nalaman na meron nun?

    • tekateka

       WAKE UP!!!! 
      CATHOLIC IS PAGANISM

      youtube this!!!

      Religion The Greatest Story Ever Sold
       

      • xrisp

        Catholics are awake!!!. And you? ..may you wake up from your nightmare…Dont waitwait…the end may come to you and you are still sleeping… 

      • boypalaban

        teketeka is paganism…
        the most stupid person ever born….

      • tekateka

        Ay! Tanga! mag ‘eat bulaga’ ka na lang… gang dun lang kaya ng kokote mo…

      • boypalaban

        di ako nanonood ng palabas ng mga rapist na gaya mo…sorry…kanguso!

    • tamumd

      I predict that you will get a bad winter storm near Lake Huron where you live and will bury you in several feet of snow and freeze your behind coz you oppose the RH bill! lol

  • tekateka

    KATOLIKO.. BAGONG SALOT AT BERDUGO SA LIPUNAN!!! PATALSIKIN ANG BANYAGANG ORGANISASYON NA ITO!!!!!!

    • boypalaban

      GANON?
      SIGE SMULAN MO NA SUNUGIN ANG MGA SIMBAHAN…AT SAMBAHIN ANG CONDOM NA IYONG PINAGPIPITAGAN….AAAAAHHH CONDOM…..

  • Camillo

    Bakit masyadong binibigyan ng special treatment at halaga yang mga obispo? Kung ako yung opisyales ng ibang relihiyon, magrereklamo ako.

    Kaya nagiging arogante yang mga yan e, masyado kasing pinapansin.

    HINDI TRABAHO NG GOBYERNONG MAKINIG SA SIMBAHAN. ANG TRABAHO NITO AY BIGYAN NG PAGPIPILIAN ANG MGA MAMAMAYAN.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      para silang china porket pinaka malaki..BULLY!

      • abner

         magaling naman at alam mo na mas nakakarami joe..hehe..

    • boypalaban

      oo pagpipilian…condom o injection?

  • pikloy

    CBCP pray prevent the incoming storm that will be affect thousand catholics. We have a new Cardinal and a new Saint that will help your endevor to stop the storm.

    • brunogiordano

      “CBCP pray prevent the incoming storm that will be affect thousand catholics. ”

      Kay corona sangkatutak na dasal, misa at prayer rallies walang nayari d’yan pa.

      Proven beyond doubts na wah effect ang mga dasal ng mga pari at obispong DAMASO.

      • Alejandro Canda

        Bakit napakabobo nating mga pilipino? Para tayong mga uto uto na sunod sunoran sa mga sinasabi ng mga obispo na alam naman natin na wala talagang epek. Kung tungkol sa pagdadasal ang pag-uusapan, mas diringgin pa ng Dios ang dasal ng mga simpleng tao keysa sa mga taong nakasotana na ubod naman ng kataksilan sa kanilang pinanumpaan bilang mga pari “to live a life in poverty”. Pero sila, asus nag kocontest kung sino sa kanila ang may mas magarang mga kotse at sasakyan gaya ng mga “mitsubishops”. Nakakadiri talaga. 

      • boypalaban

        wala ka na talagang issue pagdating sa RH…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN VATICAN ALQEDA”’ GROUP NAG PAPARAMI NG DESPERADO BATANG LANSANGAN NAG PAPALAKAS NG PUWERSA ANG MGA TERRORISTA”’

    • boypalaban

      EDGARDOPHILE…ANG TIRADOR NG MGA BATANG LANSANGAN…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    MGA DEMONYO” ITONG MGA TAGA CBCP BISHOPS DADAANIN NA NAMAN SA PADASAL ANG PILIPINAS MGA KAMPON NG DILIM””PINAG KAKAKITAAN NG MGA ITO ANG MGA DESPERADO AT MGA PATAY GUTOM NA BATANG PALABOY’ PARA LAGI NGA NAMAN PUPUNTA NG SIMBAHAN NG DEMONYO”” PUNO NG REBULTO” KAHOY AT SEMENTO”

    • abner

       hehe mukhang ikaw ang dimonyo.. edgar..hehehe

    • xrisp

      Sa pagsasalita pa lang nakikita na kung ano ang pagkatao natin. Yung ipinipinupukol mo sa iba sa iyo lahat bumabalik at iyan din ang huhusga sa iyo sa katapusan. Magisip isip ka. Hindi kita sasabihang matakot dahil sa ang nasa kabilang bakod ay hindi alam ang salitang takot dahil iyan ang panlilinlang na ibinaon sa isip nila ng kanilang pinapanginoon. Maawa ka sa sarili mo.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ODLDBBLVPVJCOODC6Y4CKJTVA lex

      Akoy Pro RH Bill at against ako sa pakikialam ng CBCP sa gobyerno pero di ako pabor sa WORDING mo. Puede mo naman i express ang ideya mo pero sa paraang ikinu consider ang KAGANDAHANG ASAL. Mind your WORD, di tama yan!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Maraming paraan para tayo mapapansin Edgar. Sana piliin mo ang mabuti sa susunod mong mga posts. Anyhow it is you who will benefit the most.

    • boypalaban

      WALA BA YUNG TYPE MO NA SI MACHETE SA SIMBAHAN?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN SAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

  • mangtom

    Why these lawmakers have to confer with the stupid CBCP is hard to understand. Are laws dependent on the whims and caprices of these cone heads? Looks like these lawmakers are bowing down to these white-robed child molesters. It shows how powerful this church is. The separation of church and state has become a myth. This is unfair to us, non-Catholics. These mitsubishops stick their noses in something that is none of their business and these dumb lawmakers allow them.

    • abner

       kaya po makapang yarihan ang mga bishop ay dahil pinuno po ng catholics..me mga tagasunod po ito….aminin nio man at hindi pinakamarami ang catholics dito sa pilipinas….

    • boypalaban

      yan lang ang alam mong argumento…damaso, mitsubishop pajero pedophile…

      di ako katoliko FYI…
      …pero pakibanggit nga dito ang simbahan, sekta o kulto mo nang masoplak ko rin…wala ka sa ayos…gaya ng turo ng simbahan mong puno ng pagnanakaw kaya puro ka samba sa mga magnanakaw na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno!

  • moshki

    …RomanCatholic Health Bill…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H6DOQ2XTESCE4IABT3LPXXQ2RA Bong

    watch your mouth man!

  • ARIKUTIK

    I pray for our lawmakers that they may have compassion for poor women. Do not destroy their morals and body. It is their only wealth. Vote with conscience, Vote Now to end it or else a never ending battle will erupt. There will be no peace for PNoy.

    • abner

       hindi po ibig sabihin na pagnamimigay na ng condom ay hindi na mabubuntis ang kababaihan kaya ang dapat ay ayusin ang pasilidat ng panganganak at hindi pagbibigay ng bilyong bilyong pondo sa pamumudmod ng condom…

  • just_anotherperson

    No to the Liberal Party and the RH Bill!

    • marionics

      yes to rh

    • abner

       alalahanin po na traydor si noynoy…nung una ipinahiwatig nya na ayaw na niya sa rh bill kaya nag laylo si cardinal vidal…..ngaun eto na at inuuto nia na naman ang catholics sa pagpunta nya sa celebration ni saint pedro calunsod……..di po talaga dapat iboto ang kampon nya…

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Yes to passing the RH Bill into law.

  • mekeni62

    inputs from priests for a reproductive health bill? this is just ridiculous! now the church has invaded Congress. they have gone overboard on this one.

  • boi skater

    It boggles the mind why the lawmakers of a supposedly free
    and democratic country need to consult with the church in the crafting of a
    civilian bill. Since when did the church become a lawmaking body of this
    country? Are we now under the rule of the Taliban?

  • No Mind

    First, there was Atonism. What is visible today is Friarism. This will tantamount to Gutomism. And all of these are because of Deceptionism equivalent to Hedonism! Tama ba ako, Pader?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZCLTTS57ON35ZKKHI3HZVF752M duke

     Understanding the value of “LIFE” as the catholic priests have
    impregnated in our mind through the years ( I have been with their
    teaching since elementary) is quite ironic in this issue. Yup, I
    understand their side ( life starts with the union of the sperm and
    female egg)….but I say, Life starts when you value life with its
    existence… I am a catholic, I am a Pro LIFE and I am a PRO RH BILL….
    ( not ironic in a deeper sense.. think..)

    • No Mind

       ang isipin nyo ay yong mga taong namamatay na sa gutom ngayon, di yung kung saan nagsisimula ang life. to sustain lives ang kailangan pagtuunan ng pansin ng gobyerno, hindi yung puro kasalanan ang nasa utak nyo. Dyos kaba at alam mo kung sino ang makasalanan? Stop Playing God!

    • abner

       pagnagka condom pala  mas magiging meaningful ang buhay??? na pinopromote ang sex na pwede na casual sex?? at sisirain ang pamilya??? na ang mga kabataan kase may condom naman???

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      The Catholic priests have impregnated our minds through the years but also impregnated women for centuries.

      • boypalaban

        generalization…lahat ba ng pari asal damaso?
        di ako katoliko pero in fairness…puro kasi kayo damaso…wala kayong matinding argumento pagdating sa bill…paulit ulit lang…damaso cbcp pedophile…

    • hopeless_na

      basta ako, naniniwala that life begins at 40. otherwise, walang kabuhay-buhay

  • joerizal

    Dapat diyan i-tax ang simbahan tapos ipambili ng condom yung mga nakolekta.

    • No Mind

       tama yan. i tax ang lahat ng simbahan. mga abusado na minsan yang mga naghahari harian dyan. may malnourished bang pari? may squatter bang ministro?may nagugutom bang pastor?di ba wala?ang mga mahihirap ang nagdurusa ngayon sa katigasan ng ulo ng mga lider simbahan na yan!puro kasalanan ng tao ang alam.kasalanan nila mismo di matukoy.pakialamero pa sa gobyerno.

      • boypalaban

         puso mo…sabi na di condom ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin kundi sakit sa puso e…at pati pala sakit sa UTAK….

    • boypalaban

       sige simulan mo na…tapos kainin mo na rin yung condom…

      • joerizal

        Actually para sa yo yun kasi sobrang pangit ng lahi mo at di na dapat ikalat.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZCLTTS57ON35ZKKHI3HZVF752M duke

      Why not let the Catholic church ” bounty savings” especially from
    vatican treasury feed the growing population of the country? Anti-RH
    bill sila ,so pag nanalo sila, tulungan nila govt to feed our fellow
    Pinoy Ilabas nila yung pera ng Vatican (Bullions of gold reserves,
    diamonds, billion dollars) .Hindi yung puro sila batikos. I’m a catholic
    but I GO FOR RH BILL  ( basta lang yung pondo will really be used sa
    program na ito at di sa bulsa ng pulitiko, kundi talo na naman si Juan
    Dela Cruz…) Hey guys! aren’t you tired of poor people getting poorer
    because of poverty/corruption? dying Filipinos because of hunger? dying
    women of multiparous delivery? dying babies because they have nothing to
    feed on? squatters aorund the country? beggars? sickness? wake
    up…Umusad naman tayo… PRO-RH BILL!

    • abner

       basura ang idea mo…make it more relevant…hehe

      • holydonkeyballs

        And yet you did not even care to state why “basura ang idea” niya. You should be the one making yourself more relevant. 

    • napali808

       They always say that they’ll pray for them and then they dine and dance with their partners in their air-conditioned palaces. I’m a catholic myself, but what they’re doing is atrocious.

    • boypalaban

       hahahahaha bill pala para sa kalibugan ang sagot para umusad….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    This claim of Belmonte because even if belmonte and these Bishops met, did these Bishops agree to the substitute RH bill is misleading??? In barangay justice, the protagonists meet before the barangay captain, does it mean that they have already agreed to amicably settle??? Belmonte is not being forthright…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H47CPJUE4QYKFUCKSUXK3LNBGI Allan

    kung makikialam ang church sa affairs ng government, maybe it’s time to cancel their tax-exempt status. these freeloaders only have their own interests in mind, not of the majority of the filipino people.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Nagalit ang mga continental american british colonials because of ‘taxation without representation’ and so the US was formed.

      satin naman, representation without taxation!

      kung di rin kayo nagbabayad para sa ika uunlad ng bayan, ano karapatan nyo mag voice out ng opinion nyo?

      remove your tax exempt status, before we value your opinion.

      • marionics

        he he ok ang mga hirit mo ngayon a.
        ay dati pa pala he he

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        kaka pikon eh.

        one thing though, I can accept RH bill not being passed into law. And as a citizen, be happy with that. I do not think it will last though, it will be passed sooner or later.

        It is just the arguments are so dumb, misinformed, and/or inane and KEEPS ON REPEATING the same flawed reasoning that i feel it is insulting my (ability to reason)*

        Anyway, nasaan ba yung calcibloc ko…

      • marionics

        wala kaya nga i quit arguing with them e. ang sa akin botohan na lang kasi walang kuwentang kausap ang mga karamihan ng anti kasi puro fire brimstone and outright lies lang ang sinasabi. walang kuwentang ka dikusyon. and you’re right, ang style nila is to barrage the forum with all these stupid arguments thinking that with more volume these lies will become the truth. buwiset. and i can not really say anything about it kasi i advocate for freedom of expression he he. napala ko hahaha

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        ahahaha.

        I would love, i mean really love to see an actually intellectual debate on the matter. Not like those debates on TV like monsod, or those US presidential election debates.

        Sabi nga nila, if you repeat a lie (or an inconsistency) often enough, people will believe it. And if it becomes true to them, they often use it and fails when set side by side with reason.

      • marionics

        wala, you will NEVER, i repeat, NEVER see a real intellectual debate on that because the antis have NO, i repeat, NO, intellectual argument to support their side. NOTHING WHATSOEVER. it is really a lopsided “contest” because the rh bill is overwhelmingly supported by common sense that is soooo common that it’s already slapping you in the face and you get embarrassed really by the arguments that the antis are posing and you just try to be polite by not calling them stupid to their face. haaaay naku

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        ahahahaha

        ang puso mo, baka attakihin, hinay hinay lang pre. marami pa tayong mis guided na kakalabanin….

        hehehe

      • marionics

        hindi pare ok lang. nakainom na ako ng sevikar he he

      • ever green

        I think sinubukan ni Ramos gawin un dati sa termino niya. pero umalma ang simbahan -kesyo aatras daw sila sa lahat ng mga charitable orgs nila … kya ayon, tago ulit buntot ng gobyerno…..

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Perhaps.

        I do remember the RCC being very vocal AGAINST almost all forms of reform by FVR, most importantly the question charter change.

        Pero I remember FVR saying to Cardinal Sin…well, not directly saying as in quoted, but in the form “Here is the other cheek.”

        It was Ming who wanted to fight back and defend the the presidency.

        It was the minions who cowered, as do minions today do.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6AFIRYNFT2SHRBDRQ3YPFFQPI John

        So ordinary citizens who don’t pay taxes because of their tax bracket are not entitled to their opinion. Mag-isip bago mag-marunong,,,,

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Perhaps citizens who do not pay their due don’t get to have what the republic has to offer.

        Perhaps students who do not pay their tuition do not get to enroll next semester.

        Perhaps club members who do not pay dues get their names off of the club roster.

        Perhaps you ought to study what the facts of life are, before shooting your mouth off defending those imposing their morality on ALL the people of the republic to which they do not subscribe to the fullest form of membership.

        Now I throw your words back to you. Mag-isip bago mag marunong…

  • Ommm

    Why would we have bishops  contributing to writing a bill in congress in the first place??

    Seems our lawmakers are such cowards they must appease the church before they serve the people of the Philippines who elected them…if that’s the case lets impeach them, they can become priests and we will elect some REAL MEN for their position….

    • napali808

       I concur…those cowering cowards. We will remember those deserters next election.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Agreed

    • ever green

      right on brother.  especially bishops like teodoro bacani na mahilig sa batang lalaki. 
      Nawala na ang separation of state and church kung mismo ang state nag-consult pa sa church para sa paggawa ng batas…….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3EWAM33FLS7BQEFYPE4MCIY3ZQ DANIEL

         ganun ba?natatandaan ko noon babae nag accuse sa kanya ng sexual harrasment kaya sumibat sa states.batang lalaki nanaman type nya ngayon?itong si bishop talaga oh.

  • veritatis_splendor

    Mga “Catholics” at “Christians,” payag ba kayo na maging obligasyon ng gobyerno ang magpamigay ng contraceptives kahit sa mga menor de edad at hindi pa kasal? Alam niyo namang taliwas ito sa turo ni Kristo. So bakit hinahayaan niyo ang gobyerno na i-impose ito sa ating LAHAT at ipapakulong pa kung sino ang tumututol dito? Ito ba ang batas na tutulong sa mga kabataan? So which side are you on? Papalapit pa naman ang Pasko. Sana doon kayo sa tinatawag niyong Panginoon.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Excuse me.  Catholics are not Christians.

      • xrisp

        Im sure you’re out of your mind.  Tell us who taught you that. You cannot name him? Because of your prejudice!

      • Diepor

        Another boring fanatic.

      • xrisp

        Hindi diepoor no! Ikaw ang fanatico sa pagalis mo sa pagiging Katoliko kasi naloko ka ng ibang kulto na sinamahan mo.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        i disagree sir.

        Catholics, or predominantly Roman Catholics are a subsect of the set of Christians, who believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior.

        Protestant, for example are Christians that do not heed the RC Church.

        Jews and Muslims are Non Christians since they do not revere JC in the same way, albeit they worship ‘the God of Abraham’

        Although, I have heard the anecdote coming from a great hindu man….I like your Jesus Christ, its his followers I cannot stand.

      • boypalaban

        Ako di ako katoliko…
        pero against ako sa bill…
        ikaw ano naman ang relihiyon mo nang masoplak ko rin…
        sige na pakibanggit lang kung talagang matapang ka…

    • xrisp

      Im one with you praying for people to resist the temptation of the evil one!

    • napali808

       RH bill is a necessity. Think out of the box…for God’s sake. Don’t listen to the controlling and power hungry cone heads.

      • boypalaban

        magkaka-gyera ba pag di yan naaprubahan?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ODLDBBLVPVJCOODC6Y4CKJTVA lex

      Magbasa ka ngang mabuti kung inilalahad sa RH Bill na pati menor de edad ay bibigyan ng CONTRACEPTIVE, wala kang ideya, magbasa ka muna! At kung puede magpakatotoo naman tayo, wala na tayo sa stone age. Kahit ang mga primary student, marami na silang alam, di maikakaila yan kasi kahit anu nasa TV na at nasa internet na. Dahil di na mapipigilan ang kaisipan nila kaya ang mas mabuti, i guide at i educate sila sa dapat at sa di dapat.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YX3GNEI6FHCLMXK5ZKXKZ54WJA Kiam

       Kung OK lang sau, bigay mo email ad mo para bigyan kita ng kopya ng bill. Sa comments ko kc halatang-halata na hindi mo ito nabasa or sa barber shop ka lang napagsabihan. Pinapa-reflect mo pa kami ng mga tanong mo e wala naman kahit isa niyan sa bill.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Please read the bill muna, then state which portions of it that you do not agree with, and then we will rebut point by point.

      Its like this.

      I would debate you about the ‘chocolate cake provisions’ of the RH bill, but I wont since it is not part of the RH Bill.

      You know the chocolate cake provision gives each person a slice of cake for ever time that person goes to the community center who patronizes any of the RH implements, right?

  • disqusted0fu

    this has been prolonged too much! enough politicking, just either pass the bill or not. laws are just broken in this country anyway. the government spent a lot of money already just on trying to pass this bill alone.

  • ODAPAIN

    i dont know why the church has to stick its fingers into matters of state,why dont they just run for congress instead they might get some votes.they should just pray our lawmakers do a better job,sick of this priest who meddle with mans law rather than teach GODS LAW,

    • superpilipinas

      The Church teaches. It does not meddle. He-he-he. The Church teaching is very powerful.

  • GlenMJacob

    What a shame. I thought the Filipinos are going democratic. Long be hold still theocratic. The bishops are like the ayatollah of Iran. Philippine my Philippines when are you going to grow-up. Sometimes I wonder if Philippines needs to go through a civil war in order to change as other progressive countries did (i.e. US of A, UK, France).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Civil war is obsolete. In this modern times, there are only few who shared the same views with you. What makes the fuss on this RH bill is the big business behind it.

    • boypalaban

      civil war dahil lang sa condom?
      grabe ka mag-isip…epekto ba yan ng condom overdose?

  • Shiela Mae Garcia

    :)

  • Shiela Mae Garcia

    church including bishops will not intervene against the laws impose by
    the government because the law of the church is different from the
    politics. 

    • superpilipinas

      exactly. it’s free will.

  • GlenMJacob

    Filipinos when are going to remove the shackles of the church on your neck ?. This is very frustrating. The congress should be ashamed of this event. The constitution has been violated and raped by the bishops.

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. There is no shackle. Everyone is free to do what he wants.
      You are only frustrated of people who believe in the Church.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Are you implying the separation of the church and state? Assuming. Who will remain for the state? Are the politicians and government officials athiests?

      • Jomex

        dont confuse secularism and atheism. all atheists are secular but not all secular are atheists.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        If some secular are not atheists, what are they? Is there somebody between an atheist and a religious?

    • ever green

      palagay ko, mali ang pagkakaintindi ng mga bishop sa constitution natin…kasi sa preamble pa lang “””We, the sovereign Filipino people, imploring the aid of Almighty God, in order to build a just and …..””” …… ang pagkaka alam kasi nila, mga sugo sila ng DIyos kaya para sa kanila nakasaad sa constitution na kailangan natin aid nila…..

      • boypalaban

        galing mo mag-isip hanga ako sa yo…ano nga ulit yon?

    • boypalaban

      “raped”?
      The Philippines is being raped by the corrupt politicians..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3EWAM33FLS7BQEFYPE4MCIY3ZQ DANIEL

        nope.you think that it’s only the politicians are corrupt?there’s corruption in the catholic church starting from the Vatican down the line.you should know.

      • boypalaban

        noon ko pa alam yan…pati mga scandals diyan…pero di kayang banggitin ng mga proRH mga kawalanghiyaan ng mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…

  • Facile1

    The advocates of the RH Bill make the unspoken assumption that the government has the RIGHT to control population growth.

    The government may have the POWER to control population growth — through guns, prisons and taxes — but do they have the RIGHT?

    Under the Philippine Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the government does NOT have the right to take the life of any Filipino without due process.

    What gives the government the right to deny the life of the unborn Filipino?

    In economic terms, population growth is a positive factor in the function of free markets. Philippine labor is a positive factor in global markets.

    Population growth becomes a problem only when corrupt governments believe in enriching themselves. More OF the poor means less FOR the rich.

    Population growth becomes a problem only when candidates for public office have to buy votes to win an election. More votes to buy means higher campaign costs.

    Population growth becomes a problem only when public servants have to answer to the people. As EDSA I has shown, there is strength in numbers.

    The ruling elite has a vested interest in keeping the Filipino people poor, ignorant and corrupt — especially in a democratic form of government. If one can keep a citizen poor, he will sell his vote. If one can keep a citizen ignorant, he won’t fight for his rights. And if one can corrupt a citizen (who is also a public servant), he can make you very rich. BUT when there are just more of the POOR and the IGNORANT than there are of the CORRUPT, population growth only means ‘higher overhead’.

    The RH Bill will limit the population growth of the POOR and the IGNORANT, and SOMEONE will profit from the passage of the RH Bill. But let us not pretend it will be the Filipino people.

    • GlenMJacob

      You sounds like the republicans in the US of A. As one blogger here in the past wrote “they care too much of the unborn, once you are born you are on your own. No head start , no food stamp, no medicaid, no Medicare, no funeral”.

    • andrew lim

      I have to congratulate you for using the handle “facile1″ . Because your arguments are exactly like that – superficial, shallow, simplistic. Or didnt you know”facile” meant  that?

      • observer_din

        ako boss di ko alam meaning nyan, ano nga ba yan?? hehehe

    • Jimbox88

      Do you mean that masturbating is mass murder?

      • ever green

        o shucks…..there goes my unborn children down the drain….hahahaha….

      • boypalaban

        may meeting ba ang ovum at spermatozoa sa masturbation?

      • observer_din

        natural method yan pare, ganyan ang gawain ng mga kaparian… hehehe

      • chingnarciso

        Forgive me,that I have sin.I flush my unborn child to the drain…ha hahaha,can you pray for my soul? please !!!! hehehe..

    • NoWorryBHappy

      After reading your comment, I don’t know exactly on whose side you are.
      It’s kinda incoherent and topsy turvy. A roller coaster of ideas.
      Parang sinigang na nilutong adobo, or the other way around.
      Naparami yata ang inom mo.  Magkape ka muna ng barako para maalis
      ang nakakahilong paikot-ikot ng mundo,

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002207384387 Andrei Mendoza

      “In economic terms, population growth is a positive factor in the function of free markets. Philippine labor is a positive factor in global markets.”  

      – TRUE, but do not discount the fact na TAMAD ang karamihan sa mga mahihirap or most of them do not have the necessary education to be more productive.

      “Population growth becomes a problem only when corrupt governments believe in enriching themselves. More OF the poor means less FOR the rich.”- WRONG Population growth can be a problem if its population are not productive, sa case ng pinas, majorities are unproductive. mas madaming tambay kesa sa workers.

      • Malik62

         Population
        control will have an adverse effects on Philippine economy and future. As the
        population drops in number the country’s labor force will also diminish.  This is what happened in countries who
        practiced population control  They now
        have aging labor force hence they need to import labor.

    • huseng_batute

       Have you factored the natural resources needed to sustain a growing population?

      Hindi sa grocery o kaya sa refrigerator nanggagaling ang pagkain ng mga tao.  

      Kailangan mo ng bukirin, kagubatan, dagat, ilog, hangin, at iba pa.   Kung ang populasyon ay lumalaki, ang mga iyan ay hindi.  Madalas nga lumiliit pa kasi ginagawang subdivision.

    • observer_din

      wag mo kami pangaralan ng batas, tingnan mo muna ang mga batang nagkalat sa kalsada na gawa ng mga “nagpapasap pero ayaw magpakahirap”. siguro kung kaya mo o ninyo(mga pro RH) sila ampunin at arugain/pakainin o pagaralin saka kayo magyabang na di na kelangan ng RH BILL. Baka maghapon na comment ng commeny lang kayo magaling at di na kayo lumalabas ng bahay kaya di ninyo nakikita ang sitwasyon.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. There was no suggested input from CBCP. The only “suggestion” was to drop RH.

    • observer_din

      mga EPAL lang talaga sila, hehehe

  • regd

    Well, somebody has to perform their duty as the stupid in the society. We wouldn’t know what is good until bad comes out. Can’t blame the bishops and lawmakers, they’re just performing their roles.

    • marionics

      well, you’re right on the bishops but wrong on the lawmakers…the latter should be blamed he he

  • http://www.facebook.com/ansel.beluso Ansel Beluso

    This is misleading. The bishops mentioned have NOT endorsed the bill, both the original and the so-called toned down version of it. Do not be misled!!!

  • andrew lim

    Right wing Catholic extremism must be rejected!  Listen only to Fr Bernas and Chito Tagle, not Oscar Cruz, Arguelles or Pueblos or Melvin Casto!

    • Malik62

      Cardinal  Chito Tagle is anti-RH Bill. Please don;t put words into his mouth.

  • Jimbox88

    Leave the State alone to do their job!

    If the Catholic Church will only do their job, maybe the corrupt politicians will be converted!

    • boypalaban

      ang taong ayaw magbago…kahit ano pang gawin…walang mangyayari…
      kahit anong simbahan pa mapabilang ang mga yan…

  • Diepor

    Pro- fameily , pro-women, pro-bill = Pro Life.

    • boypalaban

      pro-life?…baka pro-corrupt politicians….

    • observer_din

      pro life din naman ako pero pro RH BILL ako, pag gumamit ka ba ng condom me pinatay ka na ba non?

  • Bengatibo

    Bakit hindi na lang kumandidato ang mga obispo sa susunod na eleksiyon??? O di kaya pagka presidente??? Pakialamerong Obispo nang simbahang katoliko. Pinapayagan kasi nang gobeyrno kaya hayan, umaabuso nang husto. Lahat na lang pinanghihimasukan!!! This will be the start of the downfall of the Church!!! 

    • boypalaban

      sino ba ang nanghihimasok sa sex life ng mga mahihirap?

      • observer_din

        pare dapat lang panghimasukan sex life ng mahihirap kasi kulang sila sa impormasyon, bakit mga pari ba o ikaw ang tutulong sa mga ito pagdating ng pangangailangan nila? pag nagrally sila kasi walang maibigay na tulong ang gobyerno sasabihin ba ninyo sa kanila na wag mag-rally instead lumapit na lang sa mga simbahan at sa inyong mga anti RH bill dahil kayo ang sasagot ng problema nila??

    • observer_din

      hehehe, tingnan natin kung manalo sila

  • kilabot

    religion does not save. 
    on the contrary, religion condemns;
    God alone saves.

    every citizen, including religious leaders, has a right to be heard by government. rcc, protestants, muslims, inks, hindus, buddhists, taoists, etc. should all be taken into consideration in the affairs of state.
    if perverts are being accommodated, why not religious leaders even if they’re hypocritical?

    the rhbill is like religion, a false hope which spells trouble.

    No to rhbill;
    No to same-sex marriage;
    No to man-beast union.

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    SINO BA Si DAMASO???na lagi tinatapon na image sa mga anti RH

    si DAMASO ay isang pari who cant live with his VOW
    a CATHOLIC WHO CANT LIVE WITH THE TEACHINGS OF HIS CHURCH…

    NOW….who are these catholics but PRO RH???
    THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE CATHOLICS, YET THEY CANNOT FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR RELIGION…

    SO NGAUN, sino ang mga DAMASOS????SINO PA KUNDI ITONG MGA HIPOKRITONG MGA KATOLIKO saying they are catholics but opposes the teachings of their religion…

    MGA PRO RH>>>NAKAKASUKA….LAHAT PAGBABABALATKAYO….akala mo hindi sila mga damaso…hahaah

    • Jomex

      i think they better leave the Catholic church dont you think? so lets tell them to use their mind and tell them to leave the church which tells them they are worthless unless they follow its teachings.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        yes…better leave the church…kasi nagmumukha silang mga hipokrito…

        sa iglesia nga, makapangasawa lang na ibang religion tinitiwalag na ng iglesia ni kulafu…

        how much more when u doubt your faith in your own religion…

    • observer_din

      pagkakaalam ko si DAMASO isang abusadong pari na mahilig magdikta kung ano ang dapat gawin ng mga namumuno sa gobyerno.

      • jenny lim

         Mali ka. Basahin mo ang nobela ni Rizal para hindi haka haka ang dating mo.

      • observer_din

        so parang sinabi mo napakadaming pari na di kayang panindigan ang sinumpaan nilang tungkulin ie; di magaasawa, di magnanakaw,pangangalagaan ang kapakanan ng nasasakupan lalo na ang mga kabataan(kaya lang pagkakaalam ko daming pari and nanrereyp ng mga parukyano nila), di tatanggap ng galing sa masama gaya ng sugal o suhol mula sa kung kanino man(sample ung mga tumanggap ng sasakyan ke GMA?) pag sinulat natin dito lahat ng pagkukulang at pagkakamali nila ubos ang mga pari sa buong mundo, haka haka din kaya mga nabanggit ko?… hehehe

      • jenny lim

         …hindi lang haka haka, false accusations pa.  alam mo bang sinong mahilig mag accuse, mang-insulto, at gumagawa ng haka haka?  I told you, read the novel of Rizal para naman may alam ka kahit konti.  tanong ko lang, bakit galit ka sa mga pari at sa’ming katoliko?

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        isa rin siyang rapist…babaero…mahilig sa pera…which, these action contradicts to his vow and christian belief…

        parehas rin ng ibang mga katoliko…THEY ARE PROUD DEFYING THE CHURCH TEACHINGS…HENCE, THEY ARE LIKE DAMASOS….WHO CANT LIVE WITH THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR CHURCH…AT HARAP HARAPAN NA HINDI SINUSUNOD ANG KATURUAN NG KANILANG SIMBAHAN…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ESITQDTPEFTQAQ3JMNMCAOLXQ4 “TwiNex”

    With or without RH Bill, Philippines would still be the same, unless we see different faces leading this country. Since time immemorial, I see Enrile, Miriam, Recto, Honasan, Revillia, Esrada, etc…… same faces…….. hence, same Philippines………..

    • boypalaban

       tama!

    • observer_din

      tama, pero makakatulong ang RH bill para mabawasan ang mga batangnagkalat sa kalsada na pagkatapos gawin ng mga iresponsableng magulang ay pinababayaan na lang na magkalat at mamalimos. tapos ang simbahan ngawa ng ngawa wala din naman ginagawa para tulungan ang mga taong ito.

  • Jomex

    The Bishops, a bunch of old men feeding up off the ignorance and servility of an ignorant and unthinking people.

    The Bishops, unelected men, representing your future with supernatural claims even they cannot show proof.

    The Bishops and lawmakers meet over RH Bill! Tell me you cant see how weird that is! You are allowing one religion dictate the affairs of the state. We might as well appoint them as Senators and Congressmen.

    • observer_din

      oo nga,parang ang simbahan na ang nagpapasuweldo sa mga pulitikong ito.

      • jenny lim

        Di ba approximately 85% ang miyembro ng Catholic Church? So, sinong nagbabayad ng buwis na pa-sweldo.  Ang mga pari at obispo at kardinal ay hindi simbahan – sila ay leaders lamang.  We Catholics composed the Church, 85% of us, and we work hard, earn our living and pay taxes dutifully.  And we support the position of our bishops. 

        Government leaders should listen to us and not to you. 

      • observer_din

        bakit? di ba ang suweldo nila sa tax natin galing? so ang nagpapasuweldo mga nagtatrabahong tao, eh ang mga pari  nagta-tax ba sila? di ba pabigat pa nga sa gobyerno? naghihingi pa sila, dami na nga nila pera walang tax , dami nila kinokontra sa gobyerno tanggap naman ng tanggap pag binigyan, sample mo na PCSO, di ba sugal yun? di ba bawal ng diyos ang sugal?
        sigurado ka ba na sa sinasabi mong 85% na katoliko gusto ang ginagawang pakikialam ng mga pari?? idilat mo mata mo,ginamit mo pa pangalan ni RIZAL, palagay mo pari si Rizal gugustuhin ang pakikialam ng mga pari?? lawakan mo isip mo, tapos sasabihin mo makinig gobyerno sa iyo. hehehe

      • jenny lim

        wrong. hindi pabigat sa gobyerno ang mga pari, ang mga kurap sa gobyerno ang pabigat sa’ming mga katoliko. we Catholics support our priests, they do not income on their own.  our offerings or collections go to our church’s needs, operations and apostolate.

        kung anung pangalan gamitin ko, wala kang pakialam. ok?

    • jenny lim

      Remember that Socrates was considered as the wisest of all Greece because he acknowledged his ignorance.  Only a person who is so full of himself can say such a thing to well respected people. 

      They argue, explain and stand with the same principle that compelled them to rally people and march to EDSA in 1986.  Can’t you do the same with yours and not just posting “garbage talk”?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    The Bishops thought they have say on the entire population like it’s being run by single religion.

    • observer_din

      agree!!
      mga magagaling na di kayang linisin ang sariling bakuran, kaya pakikialam sa iba ang inaatupag, dami isyu sa mga kaparian dapat yun muna ayusin nila. tsk tsk tsk

  • indiosbravos2002

    I did not know that the Philippine government is now run by Catholic bishops. This is very disturbing. So does this mean that all new laws should pass through the archbishop’s palace?
    This move is pretty discrimatory. How come muslim, protestant, buddhist, hindu etc leaders were not consulted.

    • observer_din

      tama ka,akala siguro nila mga kastila pa nagpapatakbo ng pilipinas,, hehehe

  • Malik62

    The lawmakers pushing for the RH Bill are motivated by the huge lobby money of big pharmaceutical companies. Nothing more and nothing less.

    • observer_din

      tamang hinala!!

    • Ganymede

      The lawmakers against the RH Bill are motivated by their political self-interest and self-preservation by kowtowing to the desires of the CBCP rather than their constituents. Nothing more nothing less.

  • joboni96

    bakit ba atat ang mga bishops
    sa reproductive health bill

    1. hindi naman sila nag rereproduce
    except for some priests

    2. gusto nilang matulad tayo sa kanila
    walang anak

    3. naiingit sila o

    4. para marami pa ring mahirap
    na aasa sa kanila

  • Ganymede

    Why do the lawmakers need to meet with the bishops rather than those women who are the direct beneficiaries of the RH Bill? Nanganganak na ba ang mga bishops ngayon?! O pinayagan na ba silang magpamilya at kelangan kunin ang kanilang opinyon para sa pagpaplano ng pamilya?

    • jenny lim

      Because our bishops are respectable people and government leaders listen to and seek for advise to them.

      Ewan ko nga, bakit di sila pumupunta sa mga pastors.

  • chingnarciso

    If the Bishop have some input how the law will be implemented,then the are obligated to pay their taxes as an ordinary citizen,or I should say Law abiding citizen. What is the meaning of separation of State and Church if they are mingling the affair of the State. Hope that this so called Religious people will stay out of politics.

  • bgcorg

    Bishops speak to preach and teach, in accordance with the divine mandate of our Savior, Jesus Christ.  By doing so, she does not dictate on temporal authorities but strongly hope that their voices are headed.  The Church has no compelling power but only moral authority.  In the end, it is the decision of the doer whether to follow the Church or decide against the good represented by the Church for all mankind to whom she was sent.  By teaching people how to live according to the mandate of Christ, the Church tries to inform the consciences of people. Since salvation, however, is a personal matter, those with erroneous consciences could follow such consciences hoping that it is the “certain” conscience that acts in accordance with the gospel and the moral laws.  All human acts have a corresponding moral responsibility which cannot be ignored.  No to the rh bill for as long as it promotes artificial contraception.  This is going against the sacredness of life which under no condition should be meddled in by mortal man.  NO TO THE RH BILL. 

  • nes911

    Utak fraile pa ang mga bishops natin. Mga padre damaso at salvi, wala na kyo sa panahon! Tigilan niyo na ang pamumulitika.

  • chingnarciso

    wrong,don’t say that all catholics support the priest.some catholic are independent minded people who analyze first before they will follow and support the priest…

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      yan ang tinatawag na nominal catholic….

      parang ung mga hudyo at pariseosa panahaon ni kristo na nagmamarunong at aakla mo kung sino magaling

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6AFIRYNFT2SHRBDRQ3YPFFQPI John

    So, sisisihin mo ang Catholic Church dahil vocal sila sa di pag-ayon sa RH Bill? Bakit hindi mga politician ang batikusin dahil responsibilidad nila na paunlarin ang ekonomiya ng Pilipinas. Kung may trabaho ang mga tao, mas konti ang pabigat sa gobyerno.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6AFIRYNFT2SHRBDRQ3YPFFQPI John

     Maraming Catholic by baptism, pero di naman practicing Catholic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002207384387 Andrei Mendoza

      and that is because, the church will forcefully shove their religion to one’s throat.

      taena kung nakakapagsalita lang ako nung isinilang ako, eh siguradong nag-sisigaw at nagwawala na ako sa simbahan habang binibinyagan ako!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A6AFIRYNFT2SHRBDRQ3YPFFQPI John

     Teka, kala ko nag-ko-consult yung lawmakers sa church. Tapos sasabiin mo yung churech na yung lawmaking body. Pag nag-town hall ba ang congressman para magkonsulta sa mga constituents niya lawmakers na rin yung constituents.. Mag-isip bago magmarunong…

  • maniniyot kho

    Ang sobrang pakikialam ng ating simbahan sa usaping pangpulitika ay nakakasira ng imahin nito. Dahil ang  nagtatalo-talo ay kapwa mga katoliko din,nagsisiraan, nagpapalitan ng mga salitang hindi pang kristiyano. Kung hindi paaawat itong CBCP sa pagsali sa usaping pang pulitika mas  mainam yata kung magtayo narin  sila ng partido gaya halimbawa….Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, Party List….sa tagalog para buong bansa makaintindi.. Tatay, Nanay, Ate, Kuya.. Party List.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HANGANG NGAYON NAG TATALO PARIN KAYO IPASA NA KASI ANG R.H BILL MALAY MO PAG DATING NG ARAW MAGING NEW ZEALAND TAYO AT SUWITZERLAND MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA MURA STEAK SA PINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG PALABOY SA BAKA DAMING ISNATCHER DESPERADO TAKBO SA SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO KAYA LAKAS NG NEGOSYO NI CARNIVAL TAGLE NGISING DEMONYO”’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    PH still under the Shackles of the Medieval church.



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