Church-gov’t ties thawing

Aquino, Cardinal Tagle connecting well, says Palace

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WARMING UP. All seems well for Church and government leaders as Cardinals Gaudencio Rosales and Luis Antonio Tagle pose for a photo with President Aquino and Vice President Jejomar Binay after a Thanksgiving Mass at San Fernando de Dilao Parish Church in Paco, Manila, on Saturday. RICHARD A. REYES

Although temperatures are falling, it may already be spring for the Catholic Church and Malacañang.

Signaling a thawing of relations between Church and State, President Benigno Aquino III on Saturday turned up at San Fernando de Dilao Parish Church in Paco, Manila, to hear Thanksgiving Mass for the elevation of Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Tagle to the College of Cardinals.

Cardinal Tagle, 55, acknowledged Mr. Aquino’s presence as he took the lectern to deliver his homily.

“I thank you all for [coming] … and our gathering has become more meaningful with the presence of the President of our nation, President Benigno Aquino III,” Tagle said.

The congregation applauded at the cardinal’s mention of the President’s name.

Tagle then went on to acknowledge other high-ranking government officials, diplomats and representatives of religious orders who came for the Mass.

President Aquino also went to the Thanksgiving Mass for the canonization of the Philippines’ second saint, Pedro Calungsod, in Cebu City on Friday. Mr. Aquino and Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal were seen embracing briefly after the Mass.

Relations between the Church and Malacañang have iced up since Mr. Aquino began pressing for the passage of a reproductive health (RH) bill that would slow down the growth of the country’s population.

Consultations between the Church and the government on the proposal broke down last year when it became clear that Malacañang would not allow the evisceration of the bill by dropping the provision on contraceptives.

The Church has led opposition to the bill and it has threatened to use its influence on Catholic voters to break the political careers of legislators who will vote for the passage of the measure.

As a result, the bill is stuck in the Senate and in the House of Representatives. In the House, lawmakers stay away from sessions to prevent a quorum and discussions on the bill.

The elevation of Tagle to top prelate in the Philippines may have helped to thaw relations between the Church and Malacañang.

 

Good friends

The President and Tagle are “very good personal friends,” according to Fr. Catalino Arevalo, SJ, who was spiritual adviser to Mr. Aquino’s mother, the late President Corazon Aquino.

“Last Christmas, I told the sisters [of the President], ‘If Noy agrees, let’s try to invite Chito (Tagle’s nickname) to say Mass with the family. It would be private. No pictures,” Arevalo said in a recent interview with the Inquirer. He was referring to the President’s sisters Maria Elena “Ballsy” Aquino-Cruz and Victoria Elisa “Viel” Aquino-Dee.

“They said, ‘He’s already Archbishop of Manila, will he agree?’ This was the day before the 23rd of December,” Arevalo said.

He said he volunteered to ask Tagle.

“I said, ‘Archbishop, the family would just like to know if you could come and say Mass for the family.’ Immediately he said, ‘Yes.’ And that’s an additional Mass for him [on Christmas Eve],” Arevalo said.

“[Tagle] said Mass and sat down for a quick dinner [then] rushed back for the Mass at the cathedral. That was the 24th, 8 p.m., and this was 6 p.m. [in the President’s house],” he said.

When the Church invited Mr. Aquino to the Thanksgiving Mass for Tagle’s elevation to cardinal, the President readily accepted. His sisters Ballsy and Viel also accepted and attended the Mass concelebrated by Tagle with Manila Archbishop Emeritus Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales.

Vice President Jejomar Binay, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile and Interior Secretary Mar Roxas also attended the Mass.

Asked if the public show of friendliness meant relations between the Church and Malacañang were thawing, Roxas said, “Relations have always been good if not warm. Differences of sincerely held opinion don’t mean relations are bad.”

Light and water

In his homily, Tagle shunned divisive temporal issues and instead quoted verses from the Book of the Prophet Ezekiel dealing with eternal unity between God and His creation.

He said God Himself descended on earth to dwell with mankind through Jesus Christ.

“This is pure grace—God in our midst,” Tagle said, explaining that Christ represented the “life-giving water … that comes from the throne of God” in the City of God “where light abound and there is no darkness.”

“God is the light. Who is the water? The Holy Spirit,” he said.

“There is no longer a temple because God dwells in the presence of His nation,” Tagle said, describing the “new heaven” in Revelations.

Tagle said he saw his raising to the cardinalate as a “grace” or “blessing,” which showed “God is good to the Philippines.”

“We are thanking God who is so good to our country, the Philippines. I am [to this day] somewhat awestruck because we [had yet to internalize] the canonization of St. Pedro Calungsod, but three days later another blessing was given to the Church in the Philippines,” Tagle said.

“But this is not a rank or privilege. It is the blessing of [God] coming to our lives. He came to us to give us a face, a heart and a name,” Tagle said.

Around 30 archbishops and bishops attended the Mass. Among them was Infanta Bishop Julio Xavier Labayen, one of the leading lights of the generation of prelates that led the Church during the martial rule of dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

After the Mass, Cardinals Tagle and Rosales went down from the altar and approached Mr. Aquino, who was seated on the left front pew with Binay and his spouse, former Makati Mayor Elenita Binay, and Enrile and his wife, Cristina, a former ambassador to the Vatican.

They were all smiles as they exchanged pleasantries.

Tagle and the President engaged in small talk during a photo opportunity on the steps to the altar.

Connecting well

Contacted by phone, Budget Secretary Florencio Abad hinted at the significance of Mr. Aquino’s presence at the Mass.

Asked if the warm reception accorded by Tagle to Mr. Aquino was an improvement in relations between the Aquino administration and the Church, Abad said: “Cardinal Tagle and President Aquino go along quite well. Partly, it’s generational; partly, because they share the same moderate views on social issues.”

Asked how far back the friendship between Tagle and the President went, Abad said: “I am not sure if their acquaintance goes all the way back, but somehow, they seem to connect well.”

Urgent bill?

To expedite full-house action by the House of Representatives on the RH bill, the

President summoned congressional officials to a meeting over lunch in Malacañang on Saturday.

But in an ambush interview in Mandaue City, Cebu, on Friday, Mr. Aquino appeared to have discarded his confrontational stance, preferring to let the lawmakers decide on the fate of the bill.

“I think, I have stated publicly [that] I have a position—I’m pro for responsible parenthood—that this is a matter of conscience. We all have a value system, a belief system, and we must listen to what our conscience says. So the party will not impose, and our allies [will listen to] each other’s conscience. They should be the ones to decide. But the suggestion is to decide,” Mr. Aquino said.

Asked about the talking points for the meeting tomorrow, Mr. Aquino said that first, he would make sure that the House would get the needed quorum, and, second, “We will make sure that there will be a decision.”

“If we leave this hanging, it [will become more divisive]. But, you know, we hope to get past this division. There should be a decision either way. Whatever they pass, that’s what the executive will enforce,” he said.

Mr. Aquino also appeared to have had second thoughts about certifying the bill as urgent.

“[W]e have to talk to see whether we should [certify it as] urgent. As a general rule, you all know that I am parsimonious when it comes to certifying bills as urgent,” he said.

 First posted 11:45 pm | Saturday, December 1st, 2012

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  • Tomabas

    Separation of Church and State.

    • xrisp

      Hate and anger build wall so you already built one. Put it in between the two! 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Nawala ‘yung karugtong ng sinasabi mo, Tom, ganito kukumpletohin ko…
      SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE DOES NOT PROHIBIT HARMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO…Hooray.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    Labag sa Batas Iyan!

    • Guest

       Independent from the topic, always remember that the biggest law breakers are the lawmakers.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Saang bansa sa mundo na may separation of the church and the state ang nagbabawal sa harmonious relationship ng Church and State?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

    This is bad news. I prefer the relations stay frozen – for good.

    • xrisp

      This is good news. I prefer the relations stay burning – for good!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      This is bad news.  You’re still around… I prefer relations to be warm and harmonious for the best in everyone.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

    The Church should stay away from using fear of God in attacking its stand against the RH bill.  This country is having a real problem with overpopulation and needs to be addressed ASAP.  The Government’s responsibility is to the last Filipino individual.  It takes a generation to see any effect if any implemented program has alleviated or eased the social problem of poverty the country is facing.  As a pragmatist, all the Church does is say mass, collect money from its congregation and criticize the Government. I dont see it having any praisable program in helping the poor.

    • bgcorg

      The Church is always identified as “the Church of the poor” (not misery).  After the example of Christ, the divine Master, she serves the poor and underprivileged in hospitals, centers for orphans and homeless children, abandoned mothers, and conducts health, nutrition and educational opportunities for children and grown ups in parishes or in missions to neglected areas of the country. The Church champions the rights of the poor against oppression and complete marginalization.  In some cases, priests are murdered because of their identity with the poor and downtrodden.

      But, the problem is so big; it requires help from everybody since the Church cannot do it all alone.  Unless the State and the Church however work in concert, it is the people who suffer.  A model of cooperation (without sacrificing the “separation of powers”) has been provided in Mizamis by the local Church under Arch. Antonio Ledesma and the local provincial government.  It seems that the adage “united, we stand; divided, we fall” is so true and the cooperation between government and the Church, as exemplified in Mizamis, is what our people need to all go forward. 

      “NO” should be the vote of the legislators, i.e., against the rh bill.  We have proven that there is no need for a law on reproductive health, as the same is already being implemented by the executive branch of government and the country is saved (compared to advanced but financially troubled countries) by our young, vibrant workers.  Had we adopted some 14 years ago artificial birth control, our economy with a growth rate this quarter of 7.1 percent would not have been possible! If we can together put our hands to the effort of building a society founded on social justice, on a just social order, suppressing human births, would be the least of our priorities to achieve, sustain and improve on the economic strength we now have, based on increased national consumption of goods.  When the quality of life of the very poor is improved, not through a “culture of death,” but with respect for, and in openness to life, the human development and economic dividends are far more enduring, than be faced with another certain demographic debacle in the other side of the spectrum , as those who have embarked on an aggressive birth control program for their country have found, and still are finding out. This is rather a poor model to emulate!

      WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHERS, WHICH, REALLY,  IS THE GREAT TEACHER OF ALL, WITHOUT ANYMORE UNDERGOING ITS THROES AND PAINS!  We would be fools to repeat the mistakes of others and more foolish still to heed the dictates of international organizations with interests of their own, against our glorious past, cultural values and traditions, laws, mores, customs and practices.  This is not to be backward at all; this is prudence, not causing a rupture from the past (“ang hindi marunong lumingon sa pinanggagalingan ay hindi makakarating sa parurounan”) and push the country to the cliff of national suicide. 

      “NO” should be the vote against the rh bill by an informed, certain, correct, right conscience. Ignorance of the moral law, the imperatives of the Natural Law and divine positive law (the decalogue/10 commandments) is VINCIBLE; and our conscience as a practical moral guide, should remove the error to be able to judge correctly with an informed, certain conscience! Vincibly erroneous, lax, perplexed, pharisaical or doubtful (the doubts should be resolved asap) and “affected” consciences are not reliable to pass moral judgements. While subjectively, persons with these latter consciences, may be free from moral guilt in the here and now, they need to be properly informed! It is here where docility to Catholic teachings come in. “He who listens to you, listens to me, and to the one who sent me,” our Savior’s words are so unequivocal. For, “what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but in the end suffers the loss of his soul?” NO to the RH Bill!

  • itiswhatitis

    is it true that most of the predominantly Catholic countries or states are poor countries yet Vatican is considered as one of the wealthiest? Mr Tagle speaks of Philippines as a blessed country, how come? With more than 60% in poverty? Ah syempre they will say, blessing is not always material things….if not material then why is Vatican collecting most thites collected by churches all over the world almost leaving nothing for the parish? Does the Pope need that much wealth to survive? Nagtatanong lang po ako bilang isang katoliko….

    • manny

      Considered one of the wealthiest by who?  Can you site a reference for this?  Leaving nothing for the parish?  Are you sure about that?  No, the pope does not need wealth to survive.  You are obviously influenced by anti-catholic sentiments without being critical of what you read or hear if indeed you are a Catholic na politely saying, “nagtatanong lang po.”  Learn about your Catholic Faith well if you truly are a truth seeker.  Start with Defending the Catholic Faith magazine, it’s the start.  

    • bgcorg

      Get your facts straight and what is really meant.  Pray so that you would be enlightened. Ask your congressmen to vote “NO” to the rh bill.  That would be in accordance with right conscience, uninfluenced by dangerous currents that go against Natural Law, morals and the truth in God.  No to the rh bill! 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL TAGLE SAY”’ REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • manny

      no, ur only saying that.  He did not say it.  

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    May maitim na maligno sa gitna ng dalawang cardinal.

    • Francis81

       Tingnan niyo ang picture umuusok si Pweenoy!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Buti na lang ala ka do’n…nakauwi si Pweenoy nasa kaniya pa ang wallet niya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    KAYA NAGIGING BASURA PILIPINAS NAKIKIPAG AYOS PA ANG GOBYERNO SA MGA CBCP TALIBAN AT CARNIBAL GAUDENCIO ROSALES NGISING DEMONYO!! AT CARNIBAL TAGLE” MGA SUGO NG DILIM”’ KAYA DUMAMI ANG DESPERADO AT PATAY GUTOM!!!!!!!!! BENIGNO AQUINO PLS! NAMAN WAG MO DAANIN ANG BANSA MO SA PADASAL MGA TERRORISTA YANG PARI SA PINAS”

    • $20722540

      hindi kailangan ng simbahan ni pnoynoy, si pnoynoy kailangan niya ang simbahan para magkumpisal dahil siya na katulad mo na makasalanan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        UNGGOY SINO KA PARA MAG SABI AKO MAKASALANAN SA DIYOS LANG AKO MAAARI MAG SABI NG KASALANAN KO HINDI KAY CARNIBAL ROSALES

      • $20722540

         haaaahhaaa  unggoy ka nga  hey, makasalanan truth hurts…

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Ang sabi mo “katulad mo na makasalanan”, dapat ang sinabi mo ay “katulad natin na makasalanan”. Kahit Ang Santo Papa NATIN ang gagamitin niya at hindi MO.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    The Church and the State have to work together. It is not possible for both to be divided on a moral issue such as that affecting the ordinary Filipino.

    If what we always do and expect from the Church and the State is to separate and differ in opinions, then this beloved country of ours will go the way of the dogs, always suspicious of others and thinking only of the self and grabbing the only remaining bone or morsel instead of sharing with others.

    The height of hypocrisy is happening among the drum-beaters of the RH bill in this country. Those who criticize nastily the Church on the issue of the RH bill suddenly become tight-lipped or disappear from making comments when the Church leads the common masses to fight for their rights such as that in the Hacienda Luisita, murders of journalists, and, more recently, the farmers and fisher folks in Aurora, Quezon who were forcibly displaced to give way to Apeco. Why is this matter about the RH bill seems to be a matter of “life and death” for these hypocrites?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

      There will never be a unity of Church and state because the Church will always say it in the name of God we should do this.  Any corrupted bishop will win all arguments “in the name of God.” The Church should stand back criticizing and sermoning to all about fear that churchgoers are forced to accept that our government is totally corrupted a hopeless imbecile.  We should follow the road of practicality  and pray that we are on the right path and with the Lord’s help make it prosper.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Unity is impossible if there are biased people like you. How can you pray if you are judgmental on the other side. Your prayer advocacy can be likened to the prayer of the Pharisee.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

       I certainly agree.

  • Pablo316

    People should take note that Christians were never mandated by the Lord Jesus Christ to be meddling with the running of this world but instead were told to spread the Gospel for the salvation of people’s souls. That is why the Lord Jesus said:
     
    “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36)
     
    Nevertheless in the end when the Lord Jesus Christ finally comes back He together with all true Christians will rule the world for 1000 years after subduing this present world’s kingdom which at present is under the rulership of Satan, as it is written:
     
    “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.” (Revelation 11:15)
     
    Also
     
    ”With your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,and they will reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:9-10)
     
    However what the Roman Catholic Church and its daughter churches (many among those called Protestant churches) are doing is to play the harlot or the Great Prostitute by becoming intimate and meddling with world governments and leaders (see Revelation chapter 17). This is because while RCC and its daughter churches identify themselves as the bride of Christ yet they do all abominable things by teaching and practicing pagan ideas and practices coupled with going to bed with the world leaders.
     
    The Bible has this to say to those still trap within its web of lies and deceptions and who are eager to serve God according to what is true:
     
    “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done.
    Pour her a double portion from her own cup. Give her as much torment and grief
    as the glory and luxury she gave herself.” (Revelation 18:4-7)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Ang dami mong nalalaman…ang kulang na lang siguro i-apply mo sa sarili mo ang mga alam mo..ngayon, kung talagang gusto mong magligtas ng iba, umpisahan mo sa mga nambabastos na mga posts sa artikuloing katulad nito…tapos sa congregation mo, ipaunawa mo sa kanila na ang mga artikulong obviously for Catholics, eh, huwag nilang pangahasang bastuis…sana naman itinuturo rin sa inyo
      ang etiquettek kundi man ang pag-respecto sa paniniwala ng iba.

      At least, ipadama mo sa kanila na ang Pablo sa pangalan mo ay hindi SuperTyphoon lamang ang dala-dala…kundi pagibig din at paggalang sa kapuwa.

    • brunogiordano

      “The Bible has this to say to those still…”

      Opening statement ng typical Scammers(bible quoting parrots) sa kanilang pangloloko ng mga Suckers.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Nandito na naman ang sirang plakang stalker! Kunwari may nag LIKE pa. Isa lang? Di ba marami ka pang mga account: Pablobnb, Banono, Petrus_Romanus etc. I log-in mo para ma dagdag sa nag LIKE. At ‘yong iba mo pang accounts ginagamit mo sa soliloquy kunwari may nag conform sa ‘yo. Asus! Style mo Pablo bulok!! Masyado nang halata.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sandali, huwag mo munang itapon ang bulok na ‘yan…puwedeng gamiting laruan ‘yan…ipunin lahat ng kakulto niyan sa KULTO PINIS…meaning lahat ng ulong walang laman kundi hangin…puwede silang gawing bola ng binggo, ipasok lahat sa malaking ulo ng supertyphoon PABLO, eh, di binggo bola ang labas…ang malaglag, pinis,  KULTADO, ibig sabihin KulangKulang na ‘Tado.

  • Platypus09

    Good relationships brewing,,

    Merry Christmas to all..

    • superpilipinas

      It’s obvious that PNoy is trying to compensate for his RH actions since he knows it is impossible for the Church to compromise Humanae Vitae. 

      • manny

        Don’t forget the May elections.

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. Sorry na lang sa mga disipulo ng condom. Hindi pumasa ang RH bill ng nakaraang 14 years at  hindi pa rin papasa sa susunod na 14 years.

    FOI bill na lang para magkaisa tayo.

    he-he-he. If people want to fffck, they should fffck with their own money. If they don’t have money, just discipline themselves and wait for the right time. If they drop the condom part and the condom education to very young people and exchange it to teaching discipline, then RH bill can pass tomorrow. Instilling discipline and morality effectively into the minds of young teens will be the solution to the root cause.

    • indiosbravos2002

      The RH bill is not just about ffcking or giving condoms to youngsters that how closed minded simpletons view the bill. That argument is too elementary bordering on being naive. If it were that simple then there should be no debate.

      • manny

        but its also largely about sex, condoms, and lots and lots and lots of money, and profit raking.  Right indio?

      • indiosbravos2002

        What’s with the antiRH folks and their fetish with condoms. The RH bill not only about condoms and sex. Its responsible parenting and sex education with the help of strategies and tools (natural or artificial) to ensure that couples would have choices to manage their family. Its funny that its simplified to nothng but sex, condom and money. Thats why the church is not able to win over people to their side becaus of this knd of pedestrian arguments, not to mention using people (eg. sotto) who are themselves intellectually wanting.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kaya pala ‘yan ang pangalan mo…mali lang ang spelling..

        dapat M-O-N-E-Y…should I repeat it?  so that next time you would know how to spell your very own name correctly?.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      pano mo nalaman congress insider ka ba? kape lang kailangan mo para magising ka bishop, malapit na matapos ang maliligayang araw mo hahah!

  • blainz

    Binay looks so glum in that picture. Did somebody mistake him for an altar boy and cop a feel?

    • ARIKUTIK

      The president is laughing in smile. Serenity in church is the norm.

      • kulittwit

         LOL! basta lang may masabi!

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Sa sementeryo yun, hindi sa simbahan ! ! !

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Di naman kita ang kabaong mo…baka naging abo, natakot sa mga banal.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tumingin ka uli, baka niloloko ka lang ng lukoluko sa katawan mo.

  • tekateka

    THIS MAKES ME SICK!!!! WHILE THE ORDINARY FILIPINOS ARE LIVING LIKE RATS…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Teka teka teka…Ang Filipino people kamo living like rats, pero ikaw ang may sakit…kaya ka siguro inimbitahan…Ikaw rin yara anbg makagagamot sa sakit mo….sumbat ng budhi ang tawag diyan…kundiman kurikarak ng inggit at pangingimbulo sa bumbunan mo.

      • tekateka

         I traveled all over Asia and you can’t even compare… how many Filipinos earn $1 or less a day? You are ruled by Pigs!!! and you know what? Everybody wants to get out of that Garbage country!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001580944255 Pauline Chua

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      • tekateka

        cute

      • Pedro

        and yet immigration of foreigners, especially from Europe, to the Philippines rose the quickest in the first half of the year. The largest were Spanish citizens who want to work at the Spanish embassy and service centers at BGC. Perhaps you’re bitterness is meaningless. haha you’re the garbage that should be thrown into the arctic sea. hahaha jealous rat. :D

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/36O4ZGE5JY24XE4XQOXBM6O4WE Klepto

        Correction, they are not tourists but sex perverts and pedophiles

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Isa pa ‘tong Klepto na ‘to, pati likot ng kamay ipinaskel sa Facebook…idolong idolo ang mga nagnanakaw sa bayan..
        Next time, i-dikit mo na ang apelyido mo…ganito :

        KLEPTOMANIAC.

      • xrisp

        You have all the right to stay in any country not ruled by pigs and full of garbage. Anyway, you have the money…and let some of your kind go with you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Asia pa lang ang narating mo, saksakan ka na ng yabang sa pag-aglahi sa mga kababayan mo…kaya siguro punong puno ng atek ang pangalan mo…sa simpleng salita, puro kuwarta ang mahalaga sa iyo at kayabangan,akala mo intsik ka na kundi man Orangutang sa Borneo, dragonfrog sa Indonesia, Uhog ng India, Anghit sa Pakistan, ebak sa Sri Lanka, Unggoy sa Bangladesh, Utot ng Nepali, Suka ng Koreano, Kubeta ng Hapon, Alipunga sa Mongolia, MukKarban sa Middle East. kulugo sa Malaysia, Luga sa China, Kulangot sa Siberia.

        Mukhang mas maganda pa rin ang mga Pinoiy, maralita man, sila pa rin ang pinakamababangong tao sa mundo. 

        Hindi ka ba nakakahalata, Tetekaka, naging napakakitid ng narating mo sa pinagyayabangan mo…o gusto mong makarinig ng mga karanasan sa Europe, sa Africa, sa North and South America, sa Australia?

        Mag-research ka sa website, makararating ka pa sa space…huwag mo nang isama ang impiyerno, baka doon naman ang destinasyon mo, unless magbago ka ng pag-u-ugali…IKAW RIN. 

    • Pedro

      you are really sick. you should leave the world so we can have our peace. :D

  • efriend

    It is all ceremonial and it should remain that way.  The separation of Church and State is crystal clear.

  • $14334231

    this photo op does not really tell the whole story…..the fact of the matter is:  the shepherds must tend ONLY to their flocks, and the government’s concern shall be the PEOPLE of all faith, not just limited to one……

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Wala ka nga yata sa litrato…invitado ka…o ‘tado ka lang…
      Chineck mo ba kung ecumenical or hindi ang mass?  Kung hindi, at invitado lang si Presidente, kasalanan ba niya kung bakit wala si Jesse Jackson sa attendees? 
      o kaya ikaw?   Bakit ka nga ba wala ka doon?

      • $14334231

        may kasama akong babes sa hotel, nagpapasarap…saka ikaw ba ‘yan cardinal ibon???…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tao ba ‘yang kasama mo…baka tipaklong. Isip, kung mayro’n ka niyan..tipak ka nga, pero hindi ka naman palaka. Ingat, baka ‘yang kingdaddy mo maging ‘SUGARDADDY’.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

        h’wag ka na magbasa ng Bible. Revelation 17 na lang para makita mo ang buong picture, dude.

      • xrisp

        Ano ba ang pagkakaintindi ng mga fundamentalist sa Rev17. Paki lahad nga brother.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Alam mo ba ang sinasabi mo?  Sa jueteng, kobrador…
        sa kaibigan, traydor…sa inumin, lason,  sa lahat ng tao, kamandag..
        natapos pa sa bati….punong puno ng horror at kabastusan ang napili mong itawag sa iyo, Bunot.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Do you understand what you are saying?  He was only a guest in that congregation of Catholics.  Why don’t you try to convince people of all faiths, including the President, so that you can realize the realization of something that cannot be realized because it is not realistic.

  • John_Galt_II

    Ang pangit talaga ni Binay! Talagang mukhang maligno!

  • batangsulpok

    Sana sinabi ng cardinal na tigilan na ang corruption ng mga taong gobyerno na dumalo sa misa, lalo na si Binay.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      sana hindi na sila maki-alam sa affair ng gobyerno at magbayad sila ng tax.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Tanong: pilipino ba sila? That gave them the right to express their opinion….the same as you and me

  • Fulpol

    Binay is the winner… he should stay away from BS Aquino’s advocacy on RH Bill…

    Binay should never count on Iglesia ni Cristo’s support since last election INC threw their support to Mar Roxas.. unless INC still stick to their motto: sure winner, we threw our support.

    Binay should know where he stand.

  • nes911

    Plastikan time. Why can’t they all true to themseives?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Maybe they were thinking, each one of them was like nes911.

  • Fulpol

    Binay was standing in between two Cardinals… meant something?

    • indiosbravos2002

      Malapit na syang kunin ni Lord?

    • kulittwit

       Hindi mo nakuha ang buong picture. beside PNOy is another cardinal.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

        what’s the significance? may powers ba ang mga ‘yan?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Bruno, ang mga cardinal ay walang powers as you have asked sarcastically. They are our imperfect shepherds here on earth.  Just like your pastors. If you have a perfect pastor, then good for you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Huwag mo nan pag-interesan, hindi ka makaka-kobra diyan, Bati.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Dapat dalawang Fulpol nagigitnaan ang Cardinal.

  • indiosbravos2002

    Pano nakapasok maligno sa simbahan? Mga bishops kaxi masyadong naging busy sa RH bill. Yan tuloy nasingitan sila ng kampon ng kadiliman.

  • brunogiordano

    Asked about the talking points for the meeting tomorrow, Mr. Aquino said that first, he would make sure that the House would get the needed quorum, and, second, “We will make sure that there will be a decision.”

    Fair enough.

    Congressmen your move.

  • kulittwit

    Naiinitan si binay. mukhang any moment ay magliliyab!hahaha!

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      sunog na sa impyerno mga kaluluwa ng mga papa at lahat ng tao sa ilalim nila sa pagtuturo ng tiwali sa Bibliya. Catholism is paganism. read The Bible, dude — especially Revelation 17.

      • xrisp

        You must be a very holy man. Dati ka sigurong katoliko!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        We love you too, Bruno. Godbless you

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Talagang taghirap ang Kobrahan ngayon, Bati?  Pati impiyerno inaasinta mo…huwag kang mag-alala diyan naman ang punta mo, kung iiwasan mo na ang umutot sa bunganga.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

    nalakad na kasi ng presidente ang desisyon ng mga congressmen tungkol sa rh bill kaya pwede na sya makipag plastikan ulit sa mga hindoropot na obispo hahah!

    • batangsulpok

      Alam mo naman ang mga Obispo, pag nabigyan ng malaking abuloy ay ok na, di ba pinagmimisa pa si Erap kahit alam nilang maraming babae?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hindi naman ikaw ang presidente, kaya walang plastic doon.

  • NoWorryBHappy

    Si Mr Binay ba ang nasa pagitan ng dalawang santo ?
    Aba, kinilabutan ako. Akala ko ay nabuhay mula sa kamatayan
    ang dating diktador na si Ferdinand Marcos. Kinilabutan ako.
    Talagang kahawig na kahawig ni Marcos. Nagbabadya ang panahon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      santo ba ‘yung dalawang sinasabi mo, dude? you are GRAVELY disillusioned. Humingi ka nga ng pampaaral ng batang mahihirap d’yan, o hilingin mo na magpagaling sila ng kahit pigsa lang?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Talaga bang tag-hirap ang Kobrahan ngayon, Bati…pati pigsa pinag-i-interesan mo na.

  • Pedro

    Wag niyong iboboto si Binay bilang presidente. Ang mga Ayala at hindi ang Binay political dynasty and nagdevelop sa Makati. 

  • Hey_Dudes

    It is unfortunate no matter what President Benigno Cojuangco Aquino III is doing in minimizing if not totally eradicating corruption in government during his terms in office, his efforts which has achieved well thus far – will all be in vain once a new president is voted on in 2016. Many people seem to have the impression Binay is not someone who will continue Pnoy’s advocacy in licking corruption.  If this is going to be the measuring cup on which the future of the country is anchored on, the prognosis is bleak.

    • $20733759

      Correct amigo and the threat to the progress against corruption ,as you can plainly see, stands right beside them. If your fear, shared by  people of good will, happens, then the set- back will be devastating indeed. Sana maintindihan itong panganib na nakaamba ng narami nating kababayan.

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    Daniel Defoe once wrote, “Whenever God erects a house of prayer, the Devil always builds a chapel there; And ’twill be found upon examination, the latter has the largest congregation.”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      That’s according to the followers of the latter…are you one of them?
      I believe you aren’t.  So, don’t believe That Ill, The Foe, he is not your friend.

  • $26606290

    ilang na ilang si Binay o. sana kinuha na siya…..

  • regd

    Those mitre hat look horns to me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      phallic symbols… that’s what they are. pagan fertility thing.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        What about love,bruno? Do you have it in your heart? Coz it doesn’t show in your words

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        They do not symbolize you, Bati Kobrador…just simply ask your image in the mirror if he likes to see you…your name already crystallizes that phallic thing that you symbolize.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Don’t look at them…your eyes cheat you, so does the bearer of your eyes to them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/36O4ZGE5JY24XE4XQOXBM6O4WE Klepto

    Malapit na kasi ang election. Special talaga ang relasyon ng gobyerno/politicians at simbahan. Babayaran ng mga pulitiko ang simbahan at boboto ang mga tanga doon sa pulitiko. Win-win solution.

    • arn_arn

      Wag ka na mag-selos. Mababayaran rin ang Rlihiyon nyu.. hehe

  • just_anotherperson

    The Catholic Church is not against the Aquino Administration, only against his social engineering policies like the RH Bill.  I support PNoy but God first.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      If your god is to vote against the RH bill, why does the catholic church still has to lobby it?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        The Church’s stand has been the same and will never change….yesterday today tomorrow….Just like Christ. The Church has no right to change the Gospel. That’s why she is just echoing the Gospel and guarding it.

      • just_anotherperson

        Ang mundo natin ay puno ng pasaway na katulad mo.

  • No Mind

    How good the President is on the eyes of God! He gives Bangsamoro a peaceful haven. He invites friendly neighborhood from other nations. He even eat and drink with these anti-Rh self-declared soon to be saints! How I wish the true living saint Mr. Aquino, eat and drink also with the slum dwellers, the informal settlers, and with those people dying out poverty. Never mind the tsiks Mr. President, mind these people were given unto your hands by none other than himself, God! Be Barrack, be water my friend! – Bruce

  • bgcorg

    The Philippines, if we naturally as humans can feel, is blessed with many gifts from our provident God.  There is no point in breaking away from our past; we simply have to build on what we have: our heritage, culture, our values, our traditions, our mores, our laws, our ethical norms and practices.  This is just to be realistic, as a Filipino, who is different from other nationalities, with interests of their own.  We had been richly endowed in this part of the world by the Creator: we owe our existence to him, about which we should daily be thankful.  We owe him our Catholic faith that endured the centuries; and, certainly, the Canonization of San Pedro Calungsod and the elevation to the Cardinalate of Arch. Tagle, are gifts, too, to the Filipino people and are proof of the Pope’s concern for the country and its people.  We should, then, recognize with gratitude what is bestowed to us, not as birthrights, but as providential graces that we do not fully deserve.

    We should reflect then on the meaning and importance of these recent gestures from the Church.  The Church is relevant today and has enlivened the faith of Filipinos today: faith in themselves, faith in their being Filipinos!  It is not good to throw away pearls to pigs to be trampled around.  God speaks to us in many and in different ways.  Could he be telling us something, considering the currents of modernism, commercialism, hedonism, materialism, pragmatism, secularism, atheism, anti-clericalism, today? 

    Each one is called to be “the salt of the earth,” and “the light of the world,” the leaven which would catalyze the mass of dough into consummable bread, by virtue of our baptism. Meaning, in our work as legislators, for example; in the community; in our involvement in any sector of interest in society; in our own family; in relating with others who do not share our views, etc., etc., we should be shining and worthy examples of our vocation as followers of Christ.  In other words, we have the duty to “evangelize” others, so that in the end, there “would be one sheep and one shepherd” the branches clinging to the vine, for “cut off from the vine, we can do nothing.” Lord, we pray “help my unbelief.”

    NO to the RH BILL.  No to the Trojan Horse which would secretly destroy all the good, true and beautiful in the Filipino!  

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

      The Rev. Alvaro Corcuera, superior general of the Legionaries of Christ, a worldwide religious order besieged by a sex scandal, stepped aside on Thursday, citing poor health. The order’s vicar general will take over until a new superior is elected, Father Corcuera, 55, wrote in a letter to his colleagues. The order has been under close scrutiny from the Vatican since 2010, after revelations that its founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado had molested his seminarians and fathered at least one child.
      A version of this brief appeared in print on October 12, 2012, on page A9 of the New York edition with the headline: Italy: Head of Legionaries on Leave.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        The Church never said that its members are perfect. We struggle and help each other in this journey together. If you dont see any sins…..it means you are in heaven. This world is not heaven

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        You mentioned it already…what could be your intention of repeating same all over again?  You are creating more termites in the house?  So, you believe that we don’t have to burn the whole house for some termites in one corner of the house.  Now, you want to have more and more termites in every corner of the house,  Isn’t that sinister?

  • andrew lim

    This is only happening because of Chito Tagle – who has very high intellect but still humble and not obnoxious like Arch. Oscar Cruz, Pueblos or Arguelles. He is capable of being disagreeing without being disagreeable.

    Reject extreme right wing Catholicism!  

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

    The Rev. Alvaro Corcuera, superior general of the Legionaries of Christ, a worldwide religious order besieged by a sex scandal, stepped aside on Thursday, citing poor health. The order’s vicar general will take over until a new superior is elected, Father Corcuera, 55, wrote in a letter to his colleagues. The order has been under close scrutiny from the Vatican since 2010, after revelations that its founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado had molested his seminarians and fathered at least one child.
    A version of this brief appeared in print on October 12, 2012, on page A9 of the New York edition with the headline: Italy: Head of Legionaries on Leave.

    • xrisp

      The devil may have crushed a few pillars of the Church but he will not be able to totally destroy it. We are sure of it –  Yes! Jesus said it.

       

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      Copy paste lng to bruno

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      He fathered a son with a seminarian?  another man?
      Whateve it is , if that were true, he may have been a termite in the house. we don’t have to burn the whole house for termites in one corner of the house, don’t we?

  • andrew lim

    My forecast for 2016: Binay will likely get elected as President, and corruption levels will rise again- thanks to his friends like the Estradas, Maceda, Mitos, Kit Tatad, Enrile, etc.  But that administration will be anti-RH.

    So the Church will be sitting pretty, happy there will no RH, but will tolerate corruption and cheating just like in the GMA adminstration. Hypocrisy to the max!

    • aristeosj

      you got a point.but i hope that scenario won’t happen again.
      kawawa naman mga kababayan natin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    It’s better for Noynoy to be independent from the church so he can make decisions freely, just, fair and for the general welfare of his constituents. 

  • NEILMCNALLY

    There is devilishness dwelling in the RCC here in Pilipinas..if not all over the world of MAKE-BELIEVE..let us hope that The present and future presidents remain a mile away from making any concessions towards the rich religion which maintains the poor…as poor!

    • xrisp

      May be those with your kind of thinking also believe in what you said. But we will not!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      You mean your thoughts dwell in the RCC here in Pilipinas…why don’t you change your thoughts to Holiness?

  • Philcruz

    The debate is over. Time to vote. Yes or No. Don’t mind Enrile’s delaying tactics. He wants to submit his amendments to the bill and if the legislators approve his amendments, he will disapprove the bill anyway. The man is losing it already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruno.batikobra Bruno Batikobra

    mas marumi ang mga cardinal. Revelation 17.

    • xrisp

      We just don’t believe. Im sure you’re a fundamentalist.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      What gave you the right to judge, bruno?  A clean heart?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Mas marumi pa sa bati mo, kobra?  Kobra nga ba o kobrador?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WC2VPZRJETRO5KOU4VOZCJXEDY Tamarindwalk

    It’s good that there’s a thaw between church and government.  But the church, especially the Catholic church, has to stop interfering with politics in the country – otherwise it should be taxed!

  • virgoyap

    Despite P-Noy’s support for the RH bill but I’m sure that there can still be a warm relation between Cardinal Tagle and the President. It’s because the Cardinal is not the confrontational type of person. For him friendship is more worthy than confrontation. Forgiveness is more powerful than condemnation. Openness is much noble than absolutism.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FFVPH2R22XWJ3Z6QOP3WBA6KA4 EC

      Correct! Why can’t Tagle’s colleagues take a hint? They keep on mouthing stupid statements against the RH Bill believing it will earn them advancement in their hierarchy, but lo, only Tagle was promoted. Apparently, the pope is not happy with their incompetent defense of Catholic doctrine. They should have kept quiet instead, knowing their position is untenable.

    • Malik62

       Fr. Arevalo personally asked Cardinal Tagle to pray for BS Aquino X3 because according to Fr. Arevalo BS has lost his faith in God.  Cardinal Tagle maintains his friendship with BS for pastoral reasons.

      • virgoyap

        I will be very happy to know from what source did you get Fr. Arevalo saying that P-Noy is losing his faith in God.

      • virgoyap

        I’ll be very happy to know what source did you get Fr. Arevalo saying that that P-Noy has lost his faith in God. May I know please?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        BalikSinto…bakit hindi mo sinasagot ang paulit-ulit na tanong sa ‘yo ni VirgoYap?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5STEU22AD7YRHQSB6RE56ZDSYA J

    Katoliko ba si Binay o ligaw election lang?

    • padrefaura

      tingnan mo yung litrato ulit. 
      mas obvious na yung yellow ribbong ni Pnoy ang campaign paraphernalia.

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Agimat yun, panlaban niya yun sa mga kamukha mo na may ugaling di kanais-nais.

      • padrefaura

        hanep talaga ang mga bayaran ni Pnoy dito. talagang sinasanto siya.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sumama ka na lang sa mga kaKulto mo, sa KultoPinis…
        Mag-samasama kayong ang mga ulo walang laman kundi hangin, sa loob ng malaking Ulo ni supertyphoon PABLO na puro hangin din ang laman…gagawin nating Binggo.  Ang mahulog, pinis, KULTADO, meaning KulangKulang na ‘Tado.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ha….Ha….Ha…Sapul sa Ulo…Wala pa namang laman kundi hangin ang ulo niyan, puwedeng bola sa binggo.

        Pero, kampon yata ‘yan ni SuperClown, na bumalewala sa legal expertise ni PweBas(tos), pagsipot sa husgado ang sabi I’m Bitch…hayun na-imBitch.

  • http://twitter.com/riza_j Riza A. J.

    Is there not a separation of state and church sa P’nas katulad sa US?  In the US, churches are tax-exempted provided na hindi sila bulgarang na-nga-ngampanya about the church’s sides in the policies of the government. Takot lang nilang mawala ang tax-exempt status nila. Hindi ba ganoon din sa P’nas?

  • tarikan

    “We are thanking God who is so good to our country, the Philippines”. Newly promoted Cardinal Tagle said. During the recent past the Philippines ranked among the most corrupt country in the world. What happened, God was not that good to the Philippines then? OMG, hope what I’m thinking is not true that God condones the corruption done by the Filipinos. It is a given that Filipinos are among the devout Catholic thereabouts but aslo the most corrupt.

  • boybakal

    Church-gov’t ties thawing…. What’s the point of thawing relationship.
    It has no significance at all.
    Church and State go separate ways, one is government, one is religion, one for state and people, one is about God.
    Whether that thawing is iceberg or due to climate change, it is of no value.
    Thawing will not affect each other for there is Dividing Wall that Separates the two.

    The Constitution is clear….There should be Separation of Church and State.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      And, does that Separation of Church and State also prohibit harmonious relationship between these two?

  • mangTASYO

    IS IT LAWFUL TO GIVE TRIBUTE UNTO CAESAR, OR NOT?

     “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” Matthew 22:21 

    Matthew 22:17-23
    King James Version

    17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
    18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
    19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
    20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
    21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
    22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left him, and went their way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3CE56OQVPC4RPYD2NR4VD3SUE Bert

    This article could just be part of the many Malacanang spins. But we should remember that this is the same Cardinal Tagle who officiated one of former CJ Corona’s masses at the SC, during the impeachment trial. So when Abad says that Pnoy and Tagle share the same moderate views on social issues, take it with some grain of salt.

    • D_BystandeR

      When Tagle officiated mass as requested by Corona perhaps we can cite some “missteps” on the part of the former if we are to interpret it as condoning the palpable misdeeds of the latter in as far as his responsibility to his assigned duty is concerned. But we have to be “broad-minded” that at that time the former was like a lawyer who cannot choose his client who asked to contract his services, regardless of whether he is a “sinner or saint.” Maybe, within that context, President Noynoy has mellowed down and that is what makes his “real personality” great and worthy of our admiration. The President can still opt to do what he has started but making it less “coercive” to the lawmakers and allowing individual conscience to be the “sole judge” of what’s to happen next will somehow rekindle the kind friendship that will
      prove lasting to both the Catholic Church and P-Noy administration.

  • $37644997

    You may separate the two but cannot separate God between the two.I know as well as you do that it takes two to tango.A compromise bill is deemed necessary to come to a decisive vote.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Thanks be to God. We are humbled by your power.

    • tekateka

      says who?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Definitely, not you!  Pagsasama-samahin namin kayong mga KultoPinis na puro hangin ang laman ng ulo…kaya puwedeng i-binggo sa loob ng napakalaking ulong puro hangin din sa ulo ni supertyhphoon PABLO…ang mahulog, Pinis, KULTADO (meaning KulangKulang na ‘Tado).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Thank you for your grace, O lord.

  • kilabot

    the cardinal should lecture noykapon on taking good care of God’s gifts to man, such as the human body. that it should not be misused and abused by alcohol, cigarette and perversions.
    noykapon’s stubborn insistence in continuing smoking may lead him to reap what he sows. actually, it is already showing. ubo ubo ubo!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Kasama ka nga pala sa mga ulong walang laman kundi hangin… ‘yung mga KultoPinis ni supertyphoon PABLO, pinakamalaking ulong puro hangin…ayos na ayos mag-ipon ipon kayo roong mga KultoPinis, ibi-binggo namin kayo, ang mahulog Pinis, KULTADO, meaning KulangKulang na ‘Tado.

  • ever green

    this simply means that the church still has influence over our government. period.
    So much for separation of church and state.

  • EdgarEdgar

    You gotta give it to this evil ugly bald gay president. He will do anything to keep his clan in power. He will go to any extent and even go the extra mile in betraying the Filipino people just to perpetuate his clan in power. And if picture speaks louder than words, Noynoy has long abandoned the RH bill to secure the church’s vote for Bum Aquino and Ting-ting Cojuangco. It certainly helped that this queer president has been nursing a crush on the new cardinal, which made it so much easier for him to kiss and make up with the church, and thaw and melt together with Tagle in a pool of brotherly love. But then again, Noynoy’s promiscuity and illegal union with the church should come as no surprise. This same ugly bald gay president readily abandoned the search for truth and for his father’s killers just to kiss and make up with his Tito Danding. Noynoy has no qualms about betraying his parents for personal expediency. He and his clan have no qualms about enslaving peasant farmers for more than 55 years and still counting. Adding insult to injury, this same president has no qualms about withholding the hard-earned money of coco farmers for 26 years and still counting, only to let his buddies like Mr. Abad and his wife make a tidy profit off it on the side. Worse, Noynoy jumped into bed with the criminal clan of the Ampatuans in order to pull off a 12-0 win in the south. So let us not be surprised when Noynoy sells us to China if it meant keeping his clan in power for another few hundred years.

    • http://www.facebook.com/metz.ceprian Buknoy Bisaya

      pwede ba straight to the point ka na? pakahaba mo naman mag comment!

      mag apply ka nalang sa inquirer, pwede mo pa pagka kitaan yang talent mo.

      • EdgarEdgar

        move along.

      • aristeosj

        you seem to have a lot of problems and a lot of imagined things going through your brain.move on man…

      • EdgarEdgar

        but noynoy is just being true to his jesuit education. there is no greater brotherly love than to lay down oneself in the arms of another. in this case Noynoy in Tagle’s arm in a pool of brotherly love. being a jesuit yourself aris, what do you have against Noynoy and Tagle melting together and becoming one?

      • aristeosj

        you just got all the gyri in your brain rumbled up.
        it might take more than a thorough brain surgery
        to sort the damage done brought about by too
        much jerking of the brain.try to hold your horses 
        man.

        Btw,i did not get a jesuit education.
        not that it’s a bad thing in any way.oops…

      • EdgarEdgar

        in that case, let us leave Noynoy to enjoy the company of Tagle. two heads of state, one political the other theocratic, two equals thawing and melting together in the pool of brotherly love. come monday, Noynoy and Tagle will return to work all charged up. all filled with each other’s brotherly love.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        O, sige takbo na, sama-sama na kayong mga walang laman ang ulo…gagawin namin kayong bola ng binggo sa loob ng malaking ulong walang laman ni supertyphoon Pablo, puno ng hangin ‘yon…ang mahulog sa hukay, pinis, KULTADO, meaning KulangKulang na ‘Tado.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I don’t need a brain when talking to you or the likes of you…even the brainless can make you a toy and make fun out of you.

      • aristeosj

        the problem is there is no wisdom whatsoever on your type of comment.
        in other words,no brain at all.huhuhu!!!but you are forgiven.trolls are 
        supposed to be ignored and forgotten.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        O, sige, takbo na, sumama ka na kay Pablo316…isama mo na rin si BalikSinto, si EdgagoMagdusa, at ‘yung iba pang kasama niyo sa KultoPinis.

    • Malik62

       BS Aquino X3 will still push for population control. His back-up plan is to issue an Executive Order tantamount to the RH Bill except that the EO cannot force private schools to teach population control.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        O, sige, BALIKSINTO, takbo na, sama ka na kay EdgarEdgar, sasama siya sa KultoPinis ni Pablo316…huwag dito.  Dito ang mangyayari sa ulo niyong walang laman gagamitin kayong bola ng binggo, na paiikutin sa pinakamalaking ulong puro hangin ni supertyphoon PABLO…ang unang maKULTO, pinis…KULTADO (ibig sabihin ng KULTADO, kulangkulang na ‘tado.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Uy, mayro’n 1 Like sa post mo, EdgarEdgar, galing sa sarili mo…wow, congrats…unique ka talaga…karamihan sila ang nanloloko sa sarili nila, ikaw ang sarili mo ang nanloloko sa ‘yo.

    • Padre Damaso

      Sir, I like the way you compose your writings. Awesome assembly of thoughts, great harmony of grammar and all but – why so much hatred with Pnoy that you neglect to write the truth? Please, do not twist the facts:

      1. Worse, Noynoy jumped into bed with the criminal clan of the Ampatuans in order to pull off a 12-0 win in the south. – isn’t it the Arroyos who are the bosses of the Ampatuans who tried to secure the 12-0 for the Lakas Party. In fact, there was even a case against Arroyo regarding the rigging of that election.

      2. Noynoy has long abandoned the RH bill to secure the church’s vote for Bum Aquino and Ting-ting Cojuangco – The President has a marching order to pursue RH BIll despite CBCP’s pressures. It is on the other news.

      3. He and his clan have no qualms about enslaving peasant farmers for more than 55 years and still counting. – As far as we remember since the SC decision came out about HLI, Pnoy has never made a move to counter that decision despite the fact that the CJ back then was Corona. Now that we have CJ Sereno, the decision stands in fact DAR is working on how to equally divide the land.

      4. Adding insult to injury, this same president has no qualms about withholding the hard-earned money of coco farmers for 26 years and still counting, only to let his buddies like Mr. Abad and his wife make a tidy profit off it on the side. – Hearsey there is no such evidence linking to this.

      I know you did not vote for this President, so do I, I did not vote for Erap, I did not vote for Arroyo but that doesn’t mean we will spread lies about them. lets us be objective on the matter.

      • EdgarEdgar

        Sir, in response to your four points:

        1. Noynoy and his Liberal Party did in fact jump into bed with the criminal clan of the Ampatuans. PDI even came out with an editorial condemning it. That was a few days before the Maguindanao Massacre’s third year anniversary. It appears you haven’t been reading the papers or you may be out of the country, but still.
        2. Noynoy invited his legislative buddies for lunch, not to pursue the RH bill but to put it to a vote. Put to a vote and pursue RH bill are worlds apart. And very much different from Noynoy’s election campaign.
        3. Again, you may have missed the articles on how the Cojuangcos employed their horse caretakers and whisperers as dummies to displace the legitimate land redistribution beneficiaries of Luisita. It’s in PDI for several days weeks ago. Another dirty trick in the book to circumvent real land reform.
        4. If you can convince the president to release the coco levy fund to its rightful owner, the coco farmers, I will have no qualms calling Noynoy a champion of the coco farmers. Until then, don’t blame me for stating the unpleasant truth.

  • xrisp

    Hindi talaga mawawala si brother Pablo sa mga ganitong balita. Walang milenio bro. Yan kasi ang masyadong tiwala sa sarili na naiintidhan ang buong biblia. Naniniwala ka ba na sa iyo lang o sa kulto nyo ipinagkaloob na maintindihang tunay ang biblia? Kawawa naman pala ang sangkatauhan kung ganun at pinabayaan pala sa kamangmangan sa loob ng mahigit 2K taon at ngaun lang naipagkaloob sa isang tao o kulto ang tunay na kaalaman. Ilan na ba ang miembro ng kulto nyo at ano nga pala ang pangalan ng kulto nyo? 

    • Pablo316

      The Millenium as well as the Rapture are not a recent teachings as some would assert, they were taught by early Christians as they were plainly taught in the Bible. Only when the Roman Catholic church was formed that its adherents have to please their Roman patrons that they stopped preaching about the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to rule the world in a 1000 year period called the Millennium, because it was awkward and offensive to Roman emperors and governors that their church which is under their payroll should preach of the Lord Jesus as a coming King who will rule the world, so they allegorize the texts in the Bible to make it benign and not offensive to worldly leaders. Most famous examples here is Origen, Augustine of Hippo, Jerome etc.
       
      In allegorizing the texts of the Bible, the Roman Catholic Church theologians have to do a lot of violence, and beating and torturing of the word of God in order for it to say what they wanted it to say.
       
      So if you will please explain for example in the view of readers here the 20th chapter of Revelation which clearly explains the Millennium, not to mention the other prophecies of the Old Testament prophets. Here is Revelation chapter 20:
       
      Revelation 20
      New International Version (NIV)
      The Thousand Years
      And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
      4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
      The Judgment of Satan
      7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
      The Judgment of the Dead
      11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

      • Scotty Estrera

        When you make your bible assertions, do you take into account the writer of Revelations, the time and purpose why it was written, and for whom was it written? 

      • Pablo316

        Yes I did, do you?

      • xrisp

        Come on Pablo. You’re the leader of your cult and what you teach your cult is your own interpretation of the Bible. Millenium? Armageddon? The fact that you believe these will happen only show your ignorance of the literary form used by the author of Revelation. Bro Scotty is very correct why he asked you his question above. You only fascinate us Pablo. Oh I forgot to ask you before: “How about the 144,000 and the number 666?”

      • Pablo316

        The 144000 Jews in the book of Revelation for sure are not members of the religious group Jehova’s Witnesses. They are the remnant of Israel mentioned in the prophecies of the Old Testament who will be elected to know the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and Savior.
         
        As for the number ’666’ I myself is not granted the wisdom to know exactly who or what it is but I am aware of the many speculations available on this matter but I will not dare present them as Bible truth for as it is they are but speculations. So I don’t know!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        O, sige takbo na, isama na lang ‘tong si EdgarEdgar sa KultoPinis mo, pareho kayo ng hilatsa nito.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Magtatakbo ka rin lang, eh, umpisahan mo na.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Dakdak ka pa nang dakdak, eh, umpisahan mo na ang pagtakbo mo…huwag ka nang babalik dito.

    • $37644997

      True and he insist what he knows Biblically even if some of it were written wrong.In others words He’s sincerely wrong.He should welcome any other that enlightens us all.If the Bible is truly true,then Budhism and  many other religions are entirely wrong.

      • Pablo316

        You are right buddhism and all other religion is wrong, only those who closely follow the Bible are correct whatever group of Christianity they may be, for any form of Christianity that is not based on the Bible is but a Christianity of their own making, and there’s a lot of them.
         
        Now don’t just accuse me but rather specify which verse or part of the Bible I am making a wrong of.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        You mean to say when Hitler and Klu Klux Klan made use of the bible to  justify their atrocious behavior, is truly JUSTIFIABLE?  Hiram ko ‘yan kay TruthHurts116.

    • Pablo316

      REMEMBER you still owe the readers an explanation of Revelation chapter 20 which I included in my comment below.
       
      Come on show us how you will abuse and butcher the texts so that you can make the Bible deny the clear teachings of the Millennium!

      • xrisp

        Naiintindihan ko ang binabasa ko pero di ko kailangang ipagyabang dito ang nalalaman ko. At hindi ko yan pinagaralan ng walang guidance ng may mas nakakaalam sakin. Huwag ka mag magaling na akala mo tama ang pagkakaintindi mo. Maawa ka sa mga miembro ng kulto mo. Bulag na nagaakay sa mga bulag sigurado saan ang punta nyo? Do not fool yourself Pablo in believing that you’re the first to rightfully understand the Bible. Tandaan mo na malaki ang responsibilidad mo sa mga kasapi mo kung ikaw ang nagdadala sa kanila sa kamalian at kapahamakan. Maiigi pa na talian mo ng malaking bato ang sarili mo at itapon sa dagat kaysa ikaw ang maging dahilan ng pagkakamali at pagkakasala ng mga kasapi mo.

      • Pablo316

        In other words you cannot explain Revelation chapter 20 in regards to the Bible’s teaching on the Millennium.
         
        On the other hand it is good that you do not have the stomach to abuse the text of the Bible as some do because if you did you will not be able to explain it away even if you reach for your bags of allegories and what have you.
         
        As for that ’tying a stone in your neck’ thing, it should have been done long ago to RCC when it abandoned the truth of the Holy Scriptures and listened to the teachings of demons thru pagan rituals it adopted.
         
        I am not a leader even in the fellowship to which I belong to, but each of my brethren only rely on the guidance of the holy Spirit to teach us the words of the Bible. True Bible-believing christians are not personality-focused as many professing Christians nowadays do, but we just focus on the Lord Jesus Christ and His words we study day and night while living them in our day to day lives.
         
        I urge you read the Bible with a God-fearing and Truth-seeking heart and leave behind your baggages of presuppositions, if you do the true light of the Bible will shine on you dispel the darkness the enshrouds you and those like you who resist the truth of God’s words.
         
        Be humble enough my friend and realize that I am only after the good and salvation of anyone who reads my comments. I point them to the Lord Jesus thru His written words, that’s all. You don’t have to accuse me of recruiting for members nor founding any religious group.

      • xrisp

        I am guided in studying the Scriptures and not just relying on my own capacity to understand. So if you are not the leader of your sect or even recruiting its members, tell us then the name of your sect? 

      • Pablo316

        If you are then so guided in your study of the Holy Scripture will it be so much to shed light on those knowledge as well and share them to us?
         
        Why keep it to yourself?
         
        Haven’t you read what the Lord Jesus Christ said:
         
        “No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light.” (Luke 11:33)
         
        So don’t be shy!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kampon ka ba ni Hitler…o ng Klu Klux Klan?
        Nabasa ko sa kumento ni TruthHurts116, even these evils used the Bible to justify their atrocious behavior…then, nagtatakbo ka, dinaig mo pa yung supertyphoon na dala mo, sabi mo period.

  • Pablo316

    It is because of the clear mandate and stated purpose of the Holy Scripture that I make comments here in the hope that godly people will take heed of and so be saved. One such clear statement is the following:
     
    ”All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:17)
     
    Also for the fact that no one should be above the words of God no matter what’s his worldly standing is will have the authority to negate, contravene or wrestle what the written words of God – the Bible clearly teaches. That is why when it comes to the life-saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, the following very stern warning was given:
     
    “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians 1:8-9)
     
    Through the centuries, the word of God have been the silent but sure witness to the truth even if some did try hard to stump it off and burn the books together with those who believe and hold on to its pure and unadulterated teachings. Yet in the end the Lord Jesus Christ will show to the world that indeed it is His words of Truth who will stand and will be used to condemn the world for its unbelief especially those who tried to cover its wise counsel. AS the Lord Jesus Christ said:
     
    “There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.” (John 12:48)
     
    That is why I urge godly people to turn to the pure and unadulterated teachings of the Bible, which respects no religion or person.
     
    May you come soon Lord Jesus Christ and show your power to this increasingly unbelieving world.
     
    Maranatha!

    • kilabot

      powerful sharp words you quoted there;
      unfortunately, stiff-necked people will discredit and mock them;
      scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge;
      until their destruction comes as a whirlwind.

      as long as you are not one of those who teach but does not do;
      go on pablo, do not be weary. teach the world how to sing and dance.

      • Pablo316

        Thanks! Yes I do walk the talk though in a forum like this it is of no use to make such a claim for nobody knows me personally neither it is of anything if anyone (in fact some did) accuse me of not doing what I share.
         
        You see I am no religionist and I don’t do this to invite people to join this or that group but what the Bible plainly teaches that I do, thus I included verses for people to check and see if they were really so and the Bible is very much available to anyone who wants to peruse them so that I and others can claim no monopoly on what it really teaches (though history will show that the Bible was once a best kept secret to keep the people ignorant, pliant and controllable – well they failed to perpetrate that continually though the error was already deeply ingrained so that people are already confused which is right and which is wrong).
         
        So everything is open for discussion and close examination.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        So open uli…or reopen for rediscussion and reclose examination…IN OTHER WORDS, HINDI PA PERIOD

        O, sige, manghihiram na lang ako kay TruthHurts116, yung sinabi niya ang TINAKBUHAN MO:

        HITLER AND KLU KLUX KLAN ALSO USED THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THEIR ATROCIOUS BEHAVIOR.

        Salamat, TruthHurts116, ayaw huminto ni supertyphoon PABLO, kahit bistado na siyang disaster ang dala niya, hindi salvation…hindi siya salvador, salbahe…nanggugulo lang.

      • xrisp

        Ano pala ang pangalan ng kulto nyo ni Pablo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kulto Pinis…ilalaglag ka sa hukay, pinis ka…kultado (kulangkulang na ‘tado).

      • xrisp

        aY ikAW DiN PaLA Yan Pablo.

    • riza888

      Can the Bible be infallible if it is written by fallible humans? What makes your interpretations be the correct one? No one is an expert on God or His ways. One person’s belief is not more important than another’s nor is it right.

      Hitler and the Klu Klux Klan also used the Bible to justify their atrocious behavior.

      • Pablo316

        Why are you even bothering about the Bible’s correct interpretation when you are obviously disparaging it?
         
        Suffice it to say you don’t believe the Bible as divinely inspired, period.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        So, period…tapos na…baka susulpot ka na naman…sinabi na’ng hindi dito ang lugar mo…asikasuhin mo ‘yang kulto mo sa mga kultopinis, hindi dito.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

      I could not see any reason as to why the Catholic have their Mass on Sunday (day of the Sun god) and call this as Lords day. Most of the main Christians though criticizing their (RCC) pagan practices also goes to their respective churches to honour God on Sunday. Baptist reason out that Ten Commandments are not applicable today. Jehovah Witnesses said it was a Law of Moses. Other so called Christians gave many different reasons. They are all accepting that the other nine of the Ten commandments are still applicable today except the Sabbath of the Lord.
       
      Jesus Christ talked to Moses and gave the Ten Commandments at Mt Sinai. All the man of God follow the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath Law. Jesus Christ when He came to earth as Son of Man 2,000 yrs ago observed the Sabbath Law. The Apostles and all the Christians in the New Testament observed the Sabbath Law.
       
      Paki tulungan mo nga ako Mr Pablo 316. Ano ba talaga ang dapat sundin ayon sa Bible tungkol sa Sabbath of the Lord?

      • xrisp

        Ikaw din yan Pablo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        NO.

        It’s an honour kung kasing galing ako ni Pablo 316.

      • xrisp

        Kasing galing? San ba kayo galing dalawa ni Pablo?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Iyung isa supertyphoon…’yung isa simbolo ng barbaro bago nagkaroon ng civilization.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        ‘Yung supertyphoon PABLO, dala no’n disaster…hindi salvation.  Hindi siya dapat makalusot.  Hindi siya salvador, salbahe dahil nanggugulo siya.

      • xrisp

        Nakaka release talaga brod ng problema ang section na ito lalo na pag kay Pablo ang nababasa kong mga komento!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Paglaruan mo na lang…ang intensiyon niyang manggulo…huwag kang pa-a-apekto…pagsama-samahin ang mga walang laman ang ulo dito at gawing bola ng bingo ng KultoPinis ni supertyphoon PABLO..ang malaglag, pinis, KULTADO, meaning KulangKulang na ‘Tado…Paglaruan mo lang…pinatakbo na ‘yan ni TruthHurts116 gamit ang sarili niyang bersikulo.

      • Pablo316

        Bro my reply to you appeared on top.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL ROSALES SAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Sige, ulitin mo…ilagay mong reply sa post niya…ingat lang…alam mo na.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL TAGLE SAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      hahaha…hihihi…hohoho….Ilagay mong reply sa post ni Pablo…kuwidaw lang, ingat ka sa kaniya…supertyphoon ‘yon, may dalang disaster, hindi siya salvador, salbahe siya.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN IS TERRORIST GROUP IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Mayro’ng 1 like sa post mo, congratulations…asensado!  Pati sarili mo nakapaglalagay ng like to post mo…sino’ng may sabing iba lang ang puwede maglaro sa iyo…siyempre sarili muna…sa English, selfishness…take note of the spelling.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN IS HAPPY IF TO MUCH STREET CHILDREN AND ISNATCHERS” PHILIPPINES”’ UNSAFE METRO MANILA TALIBAN CHURCH IS HAPPY DEMONYO”’

    • xrisp

      Di maubos ubos ang basura sa puso mo. Wag ka nang nagbasa ng ganitong baliita at baka maulila ang pamilya mo. Baka atakihin ka sa puso sa sobrang pagngangalit mo. Iyan ba ang tinuturo sa inyo ng kulto nyo? Banggitin mo dito ang pangalan ng kulto mo at sigurado lahat ng katulad mo baka sumali sa kulto mo at ikaw ang gawing leader.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS IS TALIBAN EXREMIST GROUP” CARNIBAL TAGLE IS TERRORIST”’

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        EDGAGO MAGDUSA…sikat ka na ngayon, may pag-asa ka na’ng maging plunderer balang araw…sino’ng may sabing kailangang magkalaman ang ulo?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCQMRK4HVOSF2IGML46TAGKMXU Benjamin

      Tagalugin mo na lang dahil hindi maintindihan ang ingles mo.  Huwag ka ng magpilit maginglis dahil palpak lang. Di ka ba nahihiya diyan?  Para kang nagtetext o nagpapadala ng telegrama sa style mong iyan.

    • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

      Go ahead Mr.Mendoza, dont’ worry about your critics. Naalala ko tuloy si Pablo Virtuoso,
      sikat na komedian. Malay mo sumikat ka gaya ni Erap sa ingglis mo na iyan. Welcome to Freedom of Expression! Banatan mo sila.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hi…EDGAGO MAGDUSA…mukhang hindi pa rin gumagana ang utak mo?  mayro’n ba?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      DING BADING!!!

  • disqusted0fu

    the president just recently took potshots against the Catholics in a meeting with the INCs. and now he is getting cozy with the cardinal. maybe he is confused with his religion as much as he is with his sexuality.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      JUST TIIS LEEG. baka makuha natin, ipirmi mo lang ang tanikala sa leeg…kunwari pendant.

  • rodben

    Ang babastos ng mga pro-administrations bloggers sa simbahan pero ano ‘to kasama sa pictorial ang El presidente?

    • Francis81

       Obvious ba? Lahat gagamitin ng Presidential MisComgroup para maka punot lang ng pogi points ang amo nilang Komunista.  Pero pag tinitira nila ang simbahan daig pa nila si Satanas!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Dinadaig ka pa nila?  Mag-i-igkasan nga ang mga sungay mo niyan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      ROTTEN, dapat ba kasama ka?  Imbitado ka ba?  O, ‘tado ka lang!
      Pro-administration ka ba?  Eh, bakit ka nambabastos?

  • Pablo316

    The Roman Catholic Church did indeed remained true to its name, for first it is ROMAN, second it is CATHOLIC or universal and third CHURCH but not necessarily a Christian one.
     
    It was formed in 325 AD when some nominal Christians succumbed to the seduction of the worldly and pagan Roman empire thru its emperor Constantine. It resulted in an adulterous marriage between the two and gave the world a powerful religious group, an amalgamation of the Roman Empire’s state pagan religion and nominal Christianity, a group of people who while professing to be Christians yet salivates for worldly power, wealth and favor. RCC adopted almost everthing from that pagan rituals in the Roman empire, in fact from its organizational structure to the blasphemous titles and vestments, they faithfully represent Roman pagan religion and political structures albeit with a whiff of Christianity (and here lies the greatest deception).
     
    Thus RCC became the state church of that powerful beast called the Roman Empire, and those under its payroll soon did violence to the texts of the Bible by heavily allegorizing its meaning, so that suddenly the preachings of the apostles as recorded in the Bible and the early Christians about the coming Kingship and Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ here on earth suddenly vanish into thin air. Everything was allegorized and spiritualized so as not to offend their Roman patrons who rule most of the known world at that time.
     
    Right after this adulterous marriage, RCC immediately launched into persecuting and killing those other Christian believers who remained true to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ as written in the Bible. And for most of the centuries in the past two millennium RCC have butchered millions and millions of true Bible-believing Christians, so that what the Lord Jesus Christ prophecied was fulfilled in this persecution, as it is written:
     
    ”In fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them.” (John 16:2-4)
     
    So is it any wonder then that RCC today is still meddling with worldly powers when it was for this purpose that it was conceptualized?
     
    That is why Bible-believing Christians throughout the centuries never had any difficulties in identifying RCC with the prophesied Great Prostitute and the Mother of Harlot in the Book of Revelation. For no other religious entity in the past 2000 years who while claiming to be a bride of Christ yet fornicates with worldly leaders and powers and wallow in pagan rituals, teachings and practices.
     
    NOTE: Only rational, thinking and historically-adept people can concur and confirm what I had just put out above.
     
    To God-seeking and God-fearing people, it would be better for you to just immerse yourself in reading, studying and living the pure and unadulterated teachings of the Bible for sooner or later the Lord Jesus Christ will come bringing all His rewards and recompenses.
     
    God bless!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Supertyphoon PABLO brings disaster, not salvacion.
      Hindi dapat makalusot ang PABLO…
      Hindi pala siya Salvador…instead siya ay Salbahe !
      Ginugulo niya ang mga nagpupuri sa Diyos.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TCQMRK4HVOSF2IGML46TAGKMXU Benjamin

    The current Pope, Pope Benedict confessed in his upcoming book that the birth of Jesus Christ was not really dated December 25. Majority of religious experts tell us that December 25 is the Day of the Pagan. Remember, the Romans were the ones who persecuted and crucified Christ. Watch out for the release of the Pope’s book because it validates the claims of others that Christians are celebrating Dec. 25 believing it was the birth date of Christ when it was the Day of the Pagans… those without God.

    • xrisp

      What is the big issue then?

    • http://twitter.com/Olibo2 Olibo

      Okay lang kahit anong araw ang birthday kuno ni LJC or Pasko.Ang gusto kong aminin ni Benedict ay ang pagimbento nila kay Calungsod bilang santo na puwedeng dasalan pati ang estatwang kahoy nito. Kawawa naman ang mga kababayan nating Katoliko sa kalokohang ito.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hindi nagiging kawawa ang sinumang kababayan kung sa ginagawa nila ay nai-inspire sila at nakadarama ng pag-asa at kasiyahan.

        Ang mga hindi naniniwala ang nakararamdam ng hindi maganda…ngayon, kung maniniwala sila, giginhawa rin ang pakiramdam nila.  Hindi nila maitatatwa ang karanasang ito, kung hindi pa nila nararanasan.

    • MarytheDefender

      The Romans were also the ones that first made Christianity universal throughout their empire. They replaced the pagan holiday with Christmas in order promote Christianity and decrease the lingering effects of Paganism. There is nothing wrong with what they did. God always brings good out of evil. How is this any different? What matters is that we celebrate Christ’s birth. Not that the date is accurate. In fact, historians say that Jesus was probably born in the spring April or May because of the shepherds who would not have been out in the fields one cold winter night.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Gusto ko ‘yong sinabi mong, “GOD ALWAYS BRINGS GOOD OUT OF EVIL”…ime-memorize ko ‘yan…and, try to apply same in facing realities in life.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        There are two verses in the Bible about the word Christians. The Catholic was never mentioned at all in the Bible. The pagans are.
         
        The Catholic under the influence of Constantine started a religion that hoped to settle the disputes between Christianity and the pagans. Trying to join the practices of both.
         
        Christmas, a pagan practice to celebrate the birth of the Sun God, a shortest day of the year in Europe was settled to be used as the birthday of Jesus Christ. Christmas tree can also be found in the Bible as a pagan practice. There are other pagan practices like Easter, Halloween, etc. that the Catholic and other main stream Christians are observing.
         
        The fact that Jesus Christ did not reveal His birthday, it may not be that important for mankind needed to be in the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ gave Feasts to remember the plan of God as written in the Bible. Christians of today try to ignore these.
         
        We are commanded by God not to follow the way of the pagans. It is our choice. to Follow God’s way or to follow our own way.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Eh, anong problema mo do’n?

  • Francis81

    Bakit nagsimba si Pweenoy di naman naniniwala sa Diyos yan? Namolitika lang yan!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hello…KAWATAN…’musta’ng delihensiya?  Di ka na makakawat?

  • Malik62

     BS Aquino X3 is first and foremost a TRAPO politician.  He will even sleep with Satan just to win votes or gain high ratings.  When he was with the INC he bad mouthed the Catholic Church.  He even humiliated the bishops by fabricating (thorough Marge Juico) false charges against them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Kung ayaw mo sa TRAPO, anong gusto mo, TAPU?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Mas gusto mo ba ang TAPU kaysa TRAPO?

  • Malik62

     BS Aquino X3’government is perhaps the most corrupt in Philippine history.  The Yellow media however is doing a good job in covering those corruptions.  Just take a look at the Bureau of Customs and guess who among the presidential sisters protects the biggest smuggler in the land.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Buti na lang wala ka sa Bureau of Customs…o naroon ka? 

  • Marcial72

    Takot lang si Peenoy kasi alam niyang may pinaplano ang mga obispo para mapatalsik siya kay yun sumisipsip sa simbahan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Tulad ba no’ng kliyente ni Puwe Bas(tos)…matapos niyang ilabas lahat ng nalalaman niya sa technicalities.sukat bang pag-upo ng kliyente niya as witness, sabihin ba’ng
      I ‘mBitch…kaya, ayun na-imBitch.

  • http://twitter.com/riza_j Riza A. J.

    Jesus never got involved in politics. Even when the Zealots tried to recruit him. He did not concern himself with the terrorist of His time (The Roman Centurions). He did not comment on the political stains between King Herod and Pontius Pilate. Or King Herod’s sellout to Rome. I believe that Jesus was concerned with people rather than with politics. “Give unto Caesar….

    • joshua kings

      politics is all about people. my friend….our Lord Jesus was deeply into it…but has a different agenda: salvation of our souls.  His kindom is not of this world.  He reigns forever. and ever.

      • http://twitter.com/riza_j Riza A. J.

        Jesus was God’s son and the savior of mankind not a politician. If you read the gospels at one point a crowd was determined to make Him a political king and He fled from them. Jesus was more concerned with the state of man’s soul than any political matter which is why the Jews of the day rejected Him as Messiah. They believed that the Messiah would be a political conqueror who would free them from Roman tyranny. Jesus advocated paying taxes because it is right to support one’s government since the concept of goverment was created by God.

  • marionics

    ika nga ng isang notorious na commentor dito-

    “Tanga, i-thaw mo mukha mo, bobo!”

    hahah

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Ano naman ang sabi ng famous na commentor?  Bakit sa notorious ka nakikinig?

  • GaggerAlert

    Who cares about this so called “relationship”? They should be separate in the first place.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Which provision on the Separation of the Church and the State prohibits their harmonious relationship, GaggongAlert?

      • GaggerAlert

        hi BADIng  :) There’s no provision. However, when politicians are courting voters because of religous beliefs then something’s wrong. Plus, religous practices should be banned in government offices. Kaya mga kristyano napagiisahan e. Halatang may bias.

        Next time, when you fire an insult, ensure mo lang talga na sobrang talino ng sagot mo na indi puede i counter a. Ok baDING? :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        ,BaDING na kung BaDING…so, you are saying you are against the practice in the courts of law, requiring the witness to swear by the Bible, and saying ‘so help me, God”.
        And, in some currencies like the American dollar that bears, ‘IN GOD WE TRUST”, and, with Philippine Peso, saying, ‘FAITH IN OUR PEOPLE AND FAITH IN GOD’. You may say these currencies are not government offices, they are, nevertheless, government-issued mediums of exchange.

        Which of these do you consider biases? I hope you are not saying that you don’t want to own any piece of these currencies.

      • GaggerAlert

        Well.. duhhh! Saan pa bang sinasabi ko?

        Ay jusko! Seryoso? US pa yung binigyan  mo ng example? E dun nga yung bawal religous practices within the government premises diba? Sheesh!!

        Jusko namn! Magbibigay pa ng example, sasablay ka pa! 

        As for currencies, they have their own reasons, but CLEARLY, its not a government office diba? O. basa:

        “Although the words ‘separation of church and state’ do not appear in the First Amendment, the establishment clause was intended to separate church from state. When the First Amendment was adopted in 1791, the establishment clause applied only to the federal government, prohibiting the federal government from any involvement in religion. By 1833, all states had disestablished religion from government, providing protections for religious liberty in state constitutions. In the 20th century, the U.S. Supreme Court applied the establishment clause to the states through the 14th Amendment. Today, the establishment clause prohibits all levels of government from either advancing or inhibiting religion.”

        You fail in so many levels, and dug your own grave. Try to read more para indi ka mapahiya, ok? :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Bakit ako mapapahihiya, GaggongAlert, bakit ang federal government ang ibinigay mo?  Nasaan ang federal government ng Pilipinas?  Ang ibinigay ko sa iyong samples ay currency na tinatanggap sa Pilipinas.  Nasaan ang sentido kumon mo, GaggongAlert?  Tinatablan ka na ba?  o, talagang wala kang pakiramdam at gusto mo lang manggulo?

        O, talagang pera na ang pinag-uusapan di bale nang masira ang prinsipyong kunwari’y ipinaglalaban mo, na hindi mo kayang panindigan? Ginagawa mong laruan tuloy ang sarili mo niyan.

      • GaggerAlert

        Ay jusko.. Common sense a. Federal is only a FORM a government.The laws being applied may be the same! Bakit, wala bang common laws ang US at sa atin? 

        Ok, when the heck did I pertain to currencies? Diba government offices anf pinupuntirya ko? Bakit ka lumiliwas? Kaya nga sinabi kong indi pera, dahil its another issue pa. Gets mo ba? Wala kong pakelam kung anu man nakalagay sa pera na yan, dahil may rason sila.

        FYI lang a. There’s an incident in the US where an aethist wanted to scrap off the “IN GOD WE TRUST”

        Ok just for you nalng nag research ako dyan sa in god we trust mo: “Despite the court’s finding that the phrase is essentially non-religious or religiously meaningless, most Americans do recognize the phrase to be religious. A 1994 survey conducted by theFreedom From Religion Foundation found that “In God We Trust” was regarded as religious by an overwhelming percentage of U.S. citizens.[15]
        ” – bottomline, the court sees it as non-religous. Gets na?

        Anung perang pinagsasabi mo ha? Sus, Manggugulo? Bakit sino ba tatamaan, mga christians lang, kasi matatanggal ng mga rebulto nila sa mga governemtn office? Come on! 

        I would rather have no religous affiliations in my government than they want to be affiliated with everyone, which in turn creates bias.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        So, you believe, despite the mention of God, it is not religious?  Very rare ang sense mo…ang kailangan diyan, common lang…hindi ka mapapahiya kung matututo kang humarap sa katotohanan…ang perang ginamit mo sa kung saang libro mo pinagpupupulot ay nasa circulation pa…kaya magsi-sirko ka man nang magsi-sirko tuloy ang circulation niyan with God in it…and, aminin mo man kaysa hindi, hindi mo tatanggihan ang magkaroon niyan, lalo na kung sa marangal na paraan, kahit may God pang naka-print sa pera, tatanggapin mo ‘yan.  Kaya sa mga sinasabi mo, ikaw mismo, hindi naniniwala.  I’m sorry kung nabuko kita, di ko hangad na mabukulan ka, ikaw kasi mismo ang may gawa nitong mapaglaruan ka sa publiko.

      • GaggerAlert

        Labo mo pre. Iniikot mo lang ata ako e. Hahahah! Ikaw nag insert nyang “IN GOD WE TRUST” na yan. Ang saken is yung government offices lang. So sino kaya ang huwad ang common sense. E ikaw naglikiko ng topic. 

        On a sidenote, that quotation is from the case of Aronow vs. The United States, kaya nga US citizens diba? Its the US judge who said that not me. May problema ka din ata sa pag-research anu?

        Again, sagutin mo yung topic. religous practice within the government offices ang issue. Indi yang motto na yan which is currently a contreversy for the 1st ammendment.

        Kaya nga sabi ng judge diba? Non-religous daw? So, walang naka attach dyan na religous beliefs or anything. Kaya yung God na yan, indi yan yung iniisip mo. Reading comprehension… improve mo yan.

        Looking at your profile, taga US ka. Makes me curious why the heck you don’t know this things and someone outside the US knows this better than you. Perhaps it would be better if you switched places? :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang dami mo na namang ibinuga…puro mababaho, pati sa bunganga umuutot ka.

      • GaggerAlert

        Hahahah! look who’s talking? Sa lahat ng sinabi ko, wala kang pang counter? Sheesh.. pretty lucky you’re even surviving there in the US given that… you know… let me put it this way: How “mentally challenged” you are.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ilabas mo na ang natural na tawag sa iyo … GAGGONG ALBURUTO…take note, dalawa ang G, para sa dobleng GAGGAG GAGGAG.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IGLQQ2TTZF3BAWUHUWLFWVPZDE Vladymir

        tumigil ka na dong as in donkey dong,wala kang laban kay alert kasi puro facts and truth ang argument nya,ang sayo ay puro hearsay,tigil na makuha ka sa tingin.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Nakikinig ka pala…naririnig mo pala ang taguktok ng laptop ko?  baka kuliling yan sa ulo mo. at least nagkalaman hindi puro hangin…’yung kay GaggongAlert, ang daming laman, PARANG ARINOLANG PUNONG PUNO.

      • GaggerAlert

        Hahaha! buti pala nag trace ako. Bakit indi ka magreply sa mga argumento ko ha? E hanggang dyan lang namn pala kaya mo e! Sus! Natatakot ka nanamn ba na ilampaso ko mga pinagsasabi mo? Jusko a. Anu anu na pinagsasabi ko, wala ka pa din counter-argument. Mas mabuti pa, manahimilk ka nalng ok?

        Wag kang duwag. Nand2 ako o. bakit iba inaaway mo? hahaha! DUWAG!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Magtulong pa kayong dalawa ni GAGG…gusto niya ‘kong gawing lampaso para malinisan ang lahat ng dumi niya…kundi ba naman talagang GAGG…kaya lang no match kahit pagtulungan niyo ‘ko…puwede siguro kung nakatali ang dalawang kamay ko.

  • Pablo316

    To Baruk: (my reply pops out here on top)

    Kapatid as far as my knowledge of the Bible and history is concerned Sunday was not the day originally chosen for gathering together of the early Christian believers, it was Saturday or Sabbath. But then a strain among the universal beleivers (catholic) before the Nicean council of 325 AD was already lobbying for the day of Sunday for various reasons, both benign and sinister ones.
     
    For the benign reason, they reasoned out that since it was on the first day of the week (Sunday)  that the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead, it is only proper to do the gathering together for worship and fellowship on that day, so far so good.
     
    For the sinister ones, it is due to anti-Semitic sentiment that the majority of those who are now professing Christians are but Gentile converts, the Jewish converts were now dwindling almost into insignificant number. Thus first they tried to disharmonize the celebration of the Lord Jesus’s crucifixion from the 14th day of Nisan (the Jewish month that falls somewhere between March – April, which has a very significant importance to the fulfillment of the Old Testament’s prophecy as foreshadowed by the Jewish Passover celebration) to a date which is a week or two away from when it truly occured. That is why the Holy Week celebration of most professing Christians today (especially RCC and its assosciates) is not happening simultaneously with the Jewish Passover celebration in Israel, when in fact they happened at the same time. Then naturally Sabbath will be next in line and so on and so forth, that I tell you if a 1st century Christian is alive today, he will not recognize many professing Christians today as really being Christian because ’the leaven of the RCC has completely worked through the dough’ (if you know what I mean).
     
    Having said all that, since true Christianity is in the Spirit and not on earthly temporal things the Bible does admonish us with the following words:
     
    ”One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.” (Romans 14:5-9)
     
    So just let them be, if others want to practice the Sabbath they can, if others want to worship on Sunday they can, for it is the Lord Jesus Christ who will judge among us His flock (Note: HIS FLOCK, not the flock of anyone calling himself a pastor or priest etc).
     
    Keeping in mind also what the Lord Jesus said:
     
    ”Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19)
     
    God bless, let us continue growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ till he comes!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Keep everything in yourself and use them where mode of good conduct and behavior towards your neighbor is concerned…they will bring better results to your own congregation and those who would like to bring disasters to the children of God…evil intentions will never penetrate the strength of our Faith…the devil has always tried them even since immemorial but has never triumphed…so even the evildoers of the current generation will never be able to do this.

      I repeat what I have told you, if your intentions are for the good of everyone, apply your principles to yourself first, then to the members of your congregation and to those who are besmirching the sanctity of this congregation.  If you don,t you yourself will only reveal your true intentions.

      May the Lord God of All Humanity, Creator of Heaven and Earth, be with you.

      • Pablo316

        Judge for yourself whether it is right to just keep the Good News to yourself. Isn’t it written:
         
        ”Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.” (Matthew 5:15-16)
         
        And what will become then of the following verse:
         
        ”All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:17)
         
        Thus the truth of the Bible have to be shared to everyone for their salvation without regards as to what religion or group they should belong to. The Holy Spirit will guide each one where he or she can be very useful in sharing the Gospel that saves.
         
        Unlike false teachers, they only open their mouth to rebuke, insult and spread divisive teachings so that they can gain new members or gain followeres after themselves but those who share the words of Truth out of love and concern for the lost have nothing of those detestable things.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        May the Good LORD save us from supertyphoon PABLO.

      • GaggerAlert

        Wow throwing out words of God…. Can’t even discuss a particular topic without hurling insults. 

        Sheesh. hypocrite… 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hindi insults ‘yon…descriptions…dini-describe ko lang ang tingin ko sa mga sinasabi at ginagawa niyo…tamo ikaw mali ang spelling ng gusto mong itawag sa iyo — ‘yung ONG, pinalitan mo ng ER…hilig mo kasi sa ERROR…ERRATIC…

      • GaggerAlert

        Hahaha! what ever you say. Pinahaba mo pa na: “dini-describe ko lang ang tingin ko sa mga sinasabi at ginagawa niyo” – there’s a shorted word for that you know. Puedeng perceptions?

        So bottomline, yung perceptions mo, is insulting. :) Clear na b teh?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ang perception, sa paningin ng nakatingin.
        Ang description ay hitsura ng isang bagay, kahit hindi mo tiningnan.
        Ngayon,alam mo na…GAGG?

      • GaggerAlert

        OMG!! He’s alive! hahahah!

        Bakit cnu bang tumitingin? Diba ikaw? Saan ba naguugat yang mga descriptions mo? E diba sa perceptions mo? So, bottomline is, yang descriptions mo e product ng perceptions mo. Gets na ba bading?

        For days, wala kang reply, and all you could come up is merely some vocabulary lessons?  Come on. Probably you were petitioned to come to the US, else, I have my reservations if you are there because of your intellectual capacity. :)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Kaya pala hindi tagalog ang ginamit pangalan — sa halip na GAGGO…gagger, sa halip na ALBURTO, alert. 

        Nariyan ka pa sinisiraan mo na ang mga kababayan mo. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Truth may hurt…but, it is not necessarily insulting. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Whether you like it or not that’s the truth of the matter…your accepting it will set you fee.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I hope by now you are already free, having accepted the truth, which may have hurt you…but it will give you peace of mind ultimately.

      • GaggerAlert

        Hahaha! So, anu dyan ka nalng? parang batang pikon na nangaasar nalng? Sus! Wala ka pala e.

        Just so you know, you were the one who insulted first, so I hit back. So now, it looks like the bully, is playing out as a victim given he has been outclassed in many ways.

        My advice is to shut the heck up if your mind couldn’t process whay I’m saying. If you still continue with this, I’ll hit back everytime. ikaw lang magmumukhang kawawa. hehehehe.

      • nakatutok

        magpakatotoo ka muna sa sarili mo..aminin mong beki ka..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

      Jesus Christ gave the Ten Commandments to Moses and as per (Ex 20:8-11)
       
       “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
       
      Are today’s Christians allowed to  choose which day as special when God Himself specifically mentioned the seventh day is the SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD?
       
      Jesus Christ in his 33 yrs on earth as the son of Man is the only one who has no sin. All human sinned (sin is the transgression of the Law).
       
      Jesus Christ was crucified and buried and according to Himself the only proof that He is the Christ is the sign of Jonah. Jonah stayed 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the fish, as the Son of Man will stay 3 days and 3 nights on earth. Jesus won’t rise on Sunday if He is the Christ.
       
      Correct me if I am wrong my friend.

      • Pablo316

        As per the verse I quoted above, it can be construed that Christian believers are now not bound with holy days such as Sabbath or New Moons for as the Bible further says they are but a foreshadow of what is yet to come, as the following verses show:
         
        “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” (Colossians 2:16-17)
         
        Therefore the weekly Sabbath that Jews keep are but a foreshadow of that true Sabbath that is coming in which only those who are saved will rest from all their work, as it is written:
         
        “For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God.” (Hebrews 4:8-9)
         
        With regards to the Lord Jesus’ resurrection, it was indeed on the first day of the week which is Sunday as the text of the Bible says, and the Lord did indeed was 3 days and 3 nights in the grave as He clearly used the example of Jonah. The confusion lies in the traditional assumption that a majority of professing Christians believe that it was a Friday crucifixion when the word there in the Bible says that it was only the preparation day for the Sabbath (but one version used the word Friday instead of the preparation day for the Sabbath).
         
        It should be noted that Jewish 24-hour day starts at sunset and ends at sunset the next day; also not all Sabbath are on Saturday or the 7th day of the week but some Sabbaths do fall on any day of the week due to specified number of days in the different festival in the Old Testament.
         
        So the special Sabbath during that Passover celebration in which the Lord Jesus was crucified fell on Friday with the following Saturday still a Sabbath – the weekly Sabbath. So there can be no Friday crucifixion but instead either a Thursday or a Wednesday crucifixion (I have to check my records but you can search for it online for more detailed explanation).

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Sa kulto mo, ano ang tamang araw ng crucifixion and resurrection? Ipahayag mo naman ang beliefs ng kulto mo para matingnan natin kung gaano kayo ka tama. Puro ka lang pamumuna sa iba.

        I repeat my question: Sa kulto mo, ano ang tamang araw sa crucifixion and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        Makasagot ako Rene. Ayon sa Bible Wednesday around 3pm Jesus Christ was crucified. He was risen on Saturday around 3pm. Kaya wala na sa libingan si Jesus Christ ng magpunta si Mary Magdalene ng early morning on the first day of the week. Exactly 3 days and 3 nights, 72 hours.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        Hindi ganyan ang bilangan ng araw para sa mga Judio. Mga sabadista lang in all of the 33,000 christian sects and denomination ang may paniniwala ng ganyan. In fact ngayon lang ako nakarinig ng Wednesday at Saturday. What a twist in history if indeed true. But the possibility is NIL.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        Thanks for giving me this opportunity for the first time the Wednesday to Saturday good news. The Truth can make us free.
         
        The Catholic Church is one of those influential in the evolving of the calendar to the present one.
         
        As written in the Bible, the man of God reckoning of the year is base on the moon. Sometimes 12 months, sometimes 13 months (Nissan, Abib, etc.). The four seasons cycle still the same A day is counted from sunrise to sunset. The 7 Days of the week was written since the time of creation. God make the Sabbath day Holy. Other than the seventh day Sabbath, God gave the seven Annual Sabbaths (Passover, Pentecost, Atonement, Unleavened Bread, Trumpets, etc.) which correspond to the Plan of God to Mankind.
         
        A knowledge of this annual Sabbaths can help us a better understanding of the 3 days and 3 nights crucifixion to resurrection of Jesus Christ, the only sign that He is the Christ (Savior)
         
        Matt 12:39-40 – “But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
         
        Wednesday 3pm (around) – Jesus Christ Crucified. Preparation day.
        First day – Thursday 3pm – from Wed sunset to Thursday sunset is a Holyday. First day of 7 days Feast of Unleaven Bread.
        Second day – Friday 3pm – not a holiday until sunset
        Third day – Saturday 3pm – from Fri sunset to Sat sunset is a seventh day Sabbath of the Lord..
         
        Mary went to the tomb in the early dawn of the first day of the week (Mat 28:1). The Bible didn’t say Jesus was still there, in fact the Bible say He was risen. Jesus Christ  as prophesied stayed 3 days and 3 nights

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        I’m not giving you an opportunity to an exposition. I’m declaring it as absolutely vague. Sorry.

        Suppose you were presented with and involved in a difficult mathematical problem; you work on it and arrive at a solution, but you are not positive that your answer is correct. Then you ask a friend to try solving the problem. He gets the same answer and your confidence increases. You sent it to a hundred different mathematicians, and they arrive  at the same solution, too. You sent it a thousand more and the outcome is the same. Would you not be convinced, then, that your solution was the correct one?

        1.3 billion catholics (for over 2 millenia) plus millions of protestant christians (1.5 millenia) cannot all be wrong on just a simple historical facts. That’s why I declare your interpretation as VAGUE.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        Mathematic is an exact science. 3 days and 3 night is 72 hours.

        The Bible is the word of God, mind of God in writing. God is perfect and the Bible perfect.

        “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
         
        Satan, the god of this world is deceiving many not few.
         
        Jesus Christ when asked why he is speaking in parables He answered them “Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled  (Matt 13:13-14)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        A day according to the Jewish counting is not 24 hours. It is from sunrise to sunset.That is why when Jesus died at the 9th hour (3pm) on Friday, and at sunset it is already counted 1 day, then Saturday sunrise to sunset the 2nd day, and on the early morning of Sunday is counted the third day. If you count it on a 24 hour per day basis, Jesus would have resurrected on Monday 3pm which is not true according to the Jewish custom.

        Jesus died during the preparation day (Friday) which is the day before the Sabbath. “Then he (Joseph of Arimathea) took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Luke 23:53-54

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        You said “Jesus died during the preparation day (Friday) which is the day before the Sabbath”. When Mary Magdalene visited His tomb on Sunday morning, Jesus Christ already risen. — There are only Fri day (part), Fri night, Sat day, Sat night, Sunday day (part).– Where is the 3 days and 3 nights that according to Jesus Christ is the only sign that He is the Messiah (Matt12:39-40)? Jesus Christ never sin (not a liar).
         
        As mentioned in the previous comments, the Sabbath that is about to begin (Luke 23:53-54) is one of the Seven Annual Sabbaths (first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread) given by God of the Bible to be observed. Jesus Christ, the early Christians and the Christians that believed and followed Jesus Christ continually observing this to the present days.
         
        The Biblical Calendar based on the moon either used 12 or 13 months and the present Roman Calendar using 12 months and leaf year every 4yrs. This adjustment is due to the fact that there is a bit of a fraction out of the 24 hours. A negligible amount on the 72 hour basis. 3 days 3 night is the most important thing to know that He is the Messiah

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

        I repeat my answer because it seems you don’t understand the counting of days according to the Jewish custom. A ‘Day’ according to the Jewish counting is not 24 hours per day. It is from sunrise to sunset (12 hrs), that is why when Jesus died at the 9th hour (3pm) on Friday, it is already counted 1 day at the end of the 12th hour which is 6pm.

        The 2nd day is Saturday from 1st hour (6am) to 12th hour (6pm).

        Jesus has risen early in the morning of Sunday the 3rd day from the crucifixion according to the Jewish custom of counting days, earlier than Mary Magdalene had arrived at the burial place.

        Jesus died during the preparation day (Friday) which is the day before the Sabbath.

        “Then he (Joseph of Arimathea) took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Luke 23:53-54

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        No where in the Bible (the mind of God in writing) from Genesis to Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Apostles, and the Christians observed any other day except the seventh day as the Sabbath of the Lord. (Luke 4:16; Acts 17:2-3; Acts 13:42; Acts 13:44; Acts 17:2-3).
         
        Jesus Christ said “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matt19:17).
         
        Apostle Paul said “Imitate me as I imitate Christ” (1 Cor 11:1)
         
        Jesus Christ was crucified around 3 pm on Wed. It being the preparation day for a High Day they have to bury Him before sunset (sunset to sunset is the reckoning of the day at that time). Thursday, 3pm – 1 DAY – First Day of Unleavened Bread a Holiday (Lev 23), one of the seven annual Sabbath observed by Jesus Christ. Friday, 3pm – 2 DAYS. Saturday, 3pm – 3 DAYS – Day of the Lord Holiday. When Mary Magdalene went to the Sepulcher Jesus Christ was no longer in the tomb. Jesus Christ risen from the death exactly 72 hours on Saturday around 3pm.
          
        The Sabbath Law was there even before the Ten Commandments were given to Moses by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ observed it. The Apostles and all the early Christians observed it. Why do the Christians of today trying not to observe it. In the coming Kingdom of God, Sabbath law will still be observed (Isa 66:22-23).
         
        “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28).

      • Pablo316

        Yes I agree with you,
        the rest on Sabbath was already practiced even before the Ten Commandments were
        given.

         

        I honestly believe as
        the verses I provided shows that believers were given a free choice as to holy
        days and each one will be blessed accordingly by the Lord Jesus when He comes
        back as each believer has their own level of faith.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        I think we can just agree to disagree:
         
        It is our choice. Either God’s way or our way.
         
        Adam choose the wrong way, and he was driven out of the Garden.
         
        During the time of Noah human being choose against God’s way and only Noah’s family were left to populate again the earth. Similar with the case of Lot, when God could not find one except righteous Lot, He allowed to burn Sodom and Gomorah. Though his wife turn back and turned into pillar of salt.
         
        In the coming Kingdom of God, Sabbath law will still be observed (Isa 66:22-23). If we are aiming to be in the First Resurrection why don’t we try to practice the Sabbath Law now. The Law is not burdensome.
         
        Rev 20:5-6 – “But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Moses used to live XI BC
        he was illiterate as the Hebrew discovered writing VI BC
        five hundreds years later…

        When Jesus was borne, Moses was only one thousand one hundred years old…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Ngayong uso na ang civilization, savage ka pa rin.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tamo ‘tong dalawang ‘to…supertyphoon PABLO at saka si BURAK…ang daming laman sa ulo, PARANG MGA ARINOLANG PUNONG PUNO.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        Thanks,

        “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

      • AlexanderAmproz

        The Bible is a man product on purpose to fool the simpleton’s, naive’s and ignorant’.

        An excellent propaganda receipt,
        2% basics trues as an hook,
        98% Tales stories for the wrapping.

        Highly developed Babylon and Egypt,
        never mentions the supposedly 
        “Great Salomon Kingdom”, archeologist’s
        have hard time to found, just a little sign,
        but none, same with Jesus saga.

        Filipino’s mistaken the message with the messenger.

        In Europe the messages where turned
        into law and applied,
        in the Philippines the messenger is over glorified on purpose to steal the message and hide it, as it is to shameful, for the glued and fusionned,  with the mabaho Trapos practices, the opposite of the EC social rules.

        80% of the Churches and Politics game member’s, deserved to be jailed for an endless list of abuses destroying the Country for ever.

        An very strong moral and decency failure
        spreading death all around…. 

      • nakatutok

        ngayon uso na ang beki, lumadlad ka na…isama mo yang boss mong nakatira sa ilog pasig..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWSKMLZ5MJNVADYN2JMOYXFE7A Baruk

        Jesus Christ said, before Abraham I was. Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the beginning and the end.

        No one sees or heard God but the Son (Jesus Christ). God talked to Moses in Mount Sinai and gave the Ten Commandments written on tablets of  stone. That God is Christ. In the beginning was the Word (Spokesman, Jesus Christ) and the Word was God.

        Moses wrote the first four books of the Scriptures followed by Joshua. Moses was raised as a royalty in Egypt and has a very high position before he killed an Egyptian and departed and so the story goes.

        Moses might not understand English in his time but cannot be called illiterate when he wrote the Book (mind of God in writing) as the original writings was in Hebrew (the man of God’s language). Hebrew from Eber.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

      Pablo316 lied; “Kapatid as far as my knowledge of the Bible and history is concerned
      Sunday was not the day originally chosen for gathering together of the
      early Christian believers, it was Saturday or Sabbath.”

      According to St.Luke;

      “On the first day of the week we came together for the Holy Meal. Paul spoke
      to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on
      talking until midnight.” Acts 20:7

      Akala ko ba well-versed ka sa bible. Hindi mo type ang verse na ito kasi salungat sa iyong personal interpretation mo. Style mo bulok!!

      • jenny lim

         Tama bro. buko na naman si Pablo. Last blog niya, pillar of truth – bible daw, tapos the bible said it; pillar of truth is the church. Then he said, yes it’s true but it’s not the Catholic Church, not knowing that 1,500 years after early christians era, walang ibang relihiyon kundi katoliko.

        Iba talaga pag nagsisinungaling at gumagawa gawa ng kwento gamit ang bibliya.

    • jenny lim

       First off: Sabbath means rest day not Saturday.  The Jews [Judaism] picked Saturday as  rest day.  That’s in the old testament: Christians celebrate the victory of Christ, his resurrection from the dead – that’s the first day of the week, Sunday.  People who regard Saturday as rest day belong to the old covenant – Judaism, they are not Christians.

  • joshua kings

    cardinal tagle is truly a man of God…even in print, excerpts from his homily reverberate and speak inside the heart of those who listen/read, exuding a similar emmaus experience….yes, God is blessing our nation… let us not squander these blessings; let us not slide back to the old ways of transactional and traditional politics.   let us pursue justice and equal opportunity for the common good…..praise and thank God.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL ROSALES KATOLIBAN TERRORIST”’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      CARNIBAL TAGLE SAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        EDGAGO MAGDUSA…may be because the Philippines is making fun of you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hi…EDGAGO MAGDUSA…how is your brain…still now working, huh?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        YES STILL WORKING HOW ABOUT YOU MEMBER KABA NG KATOLIBAN SARADO ANG ISIP!!! DING YUNG BATO!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        I do not need any brain when I’m talking to you…kahit bulok ang pag-iisip kaya kang paglaruan…EDGAGO MAGDUSA.

  • riza888

    To Pablo316:
    And you’re a bible-quoting, self-righteous fool – smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others. 
    What does the Bible say about self-righteousness? 
    In the New Testament, Jesus and the apostle Paul came down particularly hard on those who attempted to live in self-righteousness. Jesus’ condemnation of self-righteousness was especially harsh in His treatment of the Jewish leadership of the time. Six times in Matthew 23, Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees for rigidly adhering to the letter of the law in order to make themselves look better to others. The parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector was specifically told by Jesus to “some who trusted in themselves, that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt” (Luke 18:9-14). 
    Christ is the end of righteousness, not man and certainly, not you.

    • Pablo316

      You’re full of contradiction, after belittling the Bible in your comment below and even assosciating it with evil men in history, you are now sounding pious. What happened?
       
      Is it self-righteousness to give glory to God and the Lord Jesus Christ by sharing the truth of their words?
       
      If I gave something that is wrong regarding the words of God, then point them to me and tell me from the Bible that such and such is the correct one and i will humbly listen and take heed your correction for I don’t know everything in the Bible, but see to it that it is only from the Bible not from any religiously-specific writings or manuals (for anyone and in fact so many have done that you cannot argue with them they are a law to themselves), as it is written:
       
      “Do not go beyond what is written.” (1 Corinthians 4:6)
       
      But then you are right, the Lord Jesus Christ is the end of righteousness and of the Law, so no true Christian can ever say that they are righteous because of their own doing, as it is written:
       
      “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
       
      So if you claim to be a Christian also, temper down that name-calling, I am no fool excepth for the Lord Jesus Christ who is my righteousness.

      • riza888

        Bible-quoting seemed to be the only way to talk to you. It’s being self-righteousness when you’re intolerant of opinions of others. When the validity of the Bible is questioned, you’re hackles raised up and made disparaging remarks also.
        As for the name-calling, if the shoe fits. That never stopped Jesus from doing the same thing. (Matthew 23:17)
        Say what you will, but in the end God has the last word.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

         Grabe na ka sirang plaka itong si Pablo316. Pabalikbalik mga post sa kahit anong article na relevant to the Catholic Church. Baka magka stroke ka sa INGGIT!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NYOKKWJDJKP6HLLGJ7TVFKQVPI Rene

       Modern Pharisee yang si Pablo316. Pharisee na pango ang ilong.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS IS EXTREMIST GROUP CARNIBAL TAGLE IS TERRORIST”’ PHILIPPINES IS UNSAFE COUNTRY”’ TO MUCH STREET CHILDREN TO MUCH ISNATCHERS” AKYAT BAHAY CARNIBAL ROSALES IS A DEMONS”’

    • alienpatriot

       I personally dislike the CBCP but this is a little extreme, Edgardo. Tagle is hardly a terrorist. Hey Ianalera, can we agree on that last part?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      So, stay in your hometown…impiyerno.  Do not mingle with us here, EDGAGO MAGDUSA.
      ‘Langya, nag-english ka na naman…mali mali na ang spelling, grabe pa ang grammar…gagyou!

  • boybakal

    Pictures of Four [4] Cardinals….
    Cardinal Rosales and Cardinal Tagle, Cardinal of Saints.
    Cardinal Pnoy and Cardinal Binay, Cardinal of Sins.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Kaya pala ipinagtatanggol niyo ang dimonyang magnanakaw.

      • nakatutok

        sino?? si isidra cojuangco??

  • Commentator

    For me, there is no perfect church. Catholic church is not perfect, Protestant churches are not perfect etc. etc.. The only perfect one is our Lord Jesus. So Catholic leaders should also listen to other churches. That is why for me, Roman Catholic leaders should consider the RH bill and pass it for the good of the Philippines.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Let the votes in the lawmaking body be cast according to each individual’s conscience…we cannot impose what we want to others in the other side…we abide by the democratic principle…let the better one prevail.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYYFBINDMTZHM6TDHPB667452M agustin

    this may be a sign that Pnoy is abandoning his stand on RH bill. a promise he vowed  to pass while campaigning for his presidential bid, to pass the FOI bill but his stand on this bill is timid, also a campaign promise not to promote taxes during his reign. promises are made to be broken.

    • jga94

      The sin tax bill IMO is long overdue…it’s ridiculous how low these products have been taxed the past what 15 years? The RH Bill has also advanced the most under PNoy’s tenure…I can only understand that he does not want tp bamboozle anybody to vote in favor of this bill because for a lot of people, this is personal….I think he has made known his stand on the RH Bill…the move for him to call on the congressmen so that they can—once and for all–put the bill to a vote is not a sign of abandonement….on the other hand the FOI Bill is a bit of a let down…hindi pa naman tapos term nya….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Magdusa ka…alam mo namang hindi na ubra ang pagnanakaw ngayon..

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Promises are done to make the naive happy

  • joerizal

    Religion is a farce. Gawa-gawa lang yan ng mga tao na walang magawa sa buhay. Pinagkaka-perahan ng mga magagaling mambola. Kung gagawa kayo ng kabutihan sa kapwa, tama na yon.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Eh, di huwag kang mag-religion.  Ano’ng ginagawa mo rito, eh, para nga sa mga tao ito.

      • joerizal

        Hoy Satanista, kunwari ka pa. Hindi ka naman nagsisimba. Sige nga ano ang ebangheliyo ngayon? Hindi mo alam hipokrito. Magbigay ka na lang ulit ng piso sa opertoryo…barat, burat.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        HA…HA…HA…Sapul ang ulong walang laman…ha…ha…ha !!!
        Hindi ikaw ang idol ko…pati sa bunganga umuutot ka.

      • joerizal

        ha? baliw ka ba? e ikaw ang nasisiraan e

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hindi ko naman kailangang maging buo kung ikaw ang kausap…kahit isang sira-sira kaya kang paglaruan.  

      • joerizal

        e di inamin mo. Ikaw talaga ang pinaglalaruan ko pumatol ka naman. Oo sige matigil ka lang kasi nakakaawa ka at wala kang kaibigan. Balik ka na sa relihiyon mong bulok.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hahaha…hihihi…hohoho…gag0.
        Ganyan ka maawa, inaaglahi mo.

      • joerizal

        Dong. Sarap mong paglaruan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hahaha…hihihi…hohoho…gag0…diyan ka na…magsarili ka na lang.

      • joerizal

        Ano? nagsasariling sikap ka? Kawawa ka naman engot. Sarap mo talagang asarin

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLURGONF7ZBJY7V2RJ4PEJIEHU Filipinos

    in other words, goodbye to RH bill…. overpopulation, hunger, poverty, homelessness, criminality, early pregnancies… this is what the RCC wants… more baptism. more wedding. more funerals. more offerings. more gullible laity.

    • alienpatriot

       Let us hope not. The President should stand his ground on his principles. Being nice to Tagle on a personal level is nice but PNoy has a responsibility to the Philippines That must come first.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      So, what are you doing here…why don’t you go your own way…magdusa kayo, hindi na uso ang pangungulimbat ngayon.

  • tekateka

    CATHOLIC IS PAGANISM

    youtube this:
    Religion The Greatest Story Ever Sold

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      And, you are barbaric…magdusa kayo ngayong hindi na puwede ang pangungulimbat sa gobyerno.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARNIBAL ROSALES MUKANG DEMONYO!!!!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hindi naman siya salamin…bakit makikita mo ang image mo sa kaniya? 
      Siguro, gusto mo siyang i-posses…hindi ka tatalab diyan. 
      Kahit anong baho ang gawin mo, hindi ka uubra diyan.
      EDGAGO MAGDUSA, magbago ka na ng istrategy and gawin mo, kahit sinong dimonyo ang isama mo, kahit si Pablo 316 pa, o si MangmangguTOM, kahit sino pa, magkakabuhol-buhol kayo…magsasawa kayo ng gusto niyong i-post dito, hindi niyo magagalaw ang mga immovable.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      DING BADING IS MORE” FUN” TALAGA PAG NAG IISA!!

      • MATONeeta

        hoy naman plis naman kailangan bang sabihin pa yan obvious na?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Hindi mo naman siya kamukha.

      • nakatutok

        oo nga..mas kamukha mo ate..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/36O4ZGE5JY24XE4XQOXBM6O4WE Klepto

    anong ginawa ng simbahan sa mga pari na nang rape ng mga bata?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Siguro, hindi sila hahayaang mag-volunteer sa pagsusuot ng tanikala sa leeg, dahil hindi naman sila nagnakaw sa kita ng bayan.

    • UrHONOR

      GAGAWING Obispo at Cardinal!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Tuturuan silang huwag maging Kleptomaniac.

      • nakatutok

        ikaw tinuruan ka wag maging pedophile??

  • rudy_boy

     RELIGION…Disconnecting people.

    Practice separation of church and estate.

    • jenny lim

       Mag research ka sa google, dictionary, encyclopedia at kung anu pa about religion para naman magka sense ka.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      People nga kaya hindi ka kasali.

      • nakatutok

        ikaw din hindi kasali..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SEM643C6KD4SXI6EATE4GXLMEU Jose

    Good talking Mr. Lazy Mediocre President!
    But the handicap will always be “CAN’T WALK THE TALK”, eh.
    Hahahahaha!  How about the LAGNAT excuses under diplomatic pressure.
    Hahahahaha!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Tamo ‘tong isang ‘to..kung nakakaintindi ito, dapat nagbabasa ito diyaryo at naiintindihan ang binabasa…mukhang mas marunong pa sa Presidente, hindi kaya siya ikinahihiya ng mga kaanak niya?

      • nakatutok

        .marunong ba ang presidente??…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Tapos na ‘ko sa ‘yo…magsolo ka na lang…UTAK UTOT.

  • Manolo Villareal

    There are 305 comments so far, but made only be few people.  Most of them are already very far from the issue since they are already attacking personally against each others’ wits.  Please confine your comments on the issue to keep one’s interest in reading the comments posted.  Thank you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Dapat sana ang mga initial comments nasa lugar…ang kaso, ang babastos ng mga nagkukumento kaya napaglalaruan sa reaction ng mga matitino…ang dapat, pag naglagay ka ng comment, yung may sense…kapag may naisagot kang sensible, ayaw nang magpatalo…pinaiiral ang pride, akala nila matalino na sila, kaya nagiging laruan ng mga uto-uto.

      • MATONeeta

        semprepa magpapatalo ba si ate ding hindi maging  ate ding yan kung basta magpapatalo maskipaps.

      • nakatutok

        tumingin ka sa salamin..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    ANG CBCP BISHOPS AT KATOLIKO SUMPA NG KASTILA SA PILIPINAS PARA DUMAMI ANG MGA BATANG PALABOY AT PATAY GUTOM DESPERADO PARA TATAWAG LAGI SA DIYOS AT MAG SISIMBA KAKAAWA NA BANSANG PILIPINAS PINAG KAKAKITAAN LANG NG MGA CARNIBAL TAGLE CARNIBAL ROSALES SAVE THE COUNTRY TO THE EXTREMIST CHURCH!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HKLP2AAOAR42DF6ZSECKTURUOU Egon

       dami mong alam brad. ikaw ba dami mo na ba napakaing pulubi? o mas marami pa naipang inom mo? para kang lasing magcomment eh.

      • GaggerAlert

        Please get back to us when the church starts using their wealth in Vatican to feed the poor and support them for the rest of their  lives.

        That’s what’s donations is for diba? Instead of creating such extravagant churches, why couldn’t they use that money to feed the mouths of the hungry, and shelter the homeless. They don’t practice what they preach. Now they want more of these people? So what? To burden the working class because of that nincompoop CCT program.

        I would rather have my taxes go to infrastructure building rather than feeding those families and the “barangay” sized family that they have. If only they are responsible enough to limit children, then they won’t have problem. 

        So they want more of these types of people. Then to these hypocrites, we say, “be our guest!!” They don’t even pay taxes so who the heck to they think they are to tell us to shoulder these people. If they want they could support them, leave us working class alone!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sayang ang mga nalalaman mo, GAGGONGALERT, kung nasamahan man lang sana ng tama.

      • GaggerAlert

        Awww.. sorry a. Could you please reply to the question I’ve posted in our not-so engaging conversation before putting in nonsense puns in one of my replies.

        Sorry, I’d rather think before posting. Rather than posting for the sake of posting. :)

      • MATONeeta

        hoy mamang ano mabait yang si ate kaya lang may pms yan kayq sya madaling magalet noh.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Agree with you and more than that.

        Christian religion’s in the Philippines are an psychologic infection,
        poorer peoples are, more they will stick to it, 
        as when totally hopeless, on the way to die
        (no food, no jobs or under paid, access to fake medicines while borrowing from the neighbors to buy them, at first deprived of every thinks by a colonial church, then by Clergy families who got for a song the stollen lands under the Spaniards, this means all the country), 
        it’s the only hope left.

        This is an infernal circle entertain with(4G) God, Gold, Guns and Goons by abusers leading the country, power and money drunkards.
        An absolute up side down, a religions deviation.
        Outside peoples charms and friendliness, 
        every things are fake or up side down.
        FAKE text book’s, FAKE Justice, army, police, FAKE Democracy,
        success mean doing killings, spoliations, plundering, dancing with the Clergy to entertain slaves haplessness etc.

        The result is an errant country stepping on the head, heading to a major Human and Nature disaster, since already too long time !

        What a pity, what a Tragedy destroying totally the land, Nature and Peoples

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      EDGAGO MAGDUSA…ang laruan ng mga uto-uto…nakalimutan mo na kung nasaan ang puwit mo…pati sa bunganga umuutot ka, puro mababantot ang lumalabas sa bunganga mo!

      • MATONeeta

        naku naman hah ate ding dito ka pa naglaladlad ng pagkabunganera mo hah relak ka lang ate baka magalit sa lahat ng bakla ang mga tao dito.  ako ok lang kahit ano fi ang sabihin.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      DING BADING!!!!

  • jenny lim

    How good and refreshing it is to be a Catholic.  Seeing our leaders well respected by countries’ leaders.  And of explaining the bible/gospel always in relation to life and mission with gratitude and humility. How inspiring indeed to belong to this Church of love, friendship and kindness because it is simply founded on Christ.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XTXAV2X3EGKHW7N4L35WY2S6HM JudgeJuanDeLaCruz

    Bakit nakasimangot si Jojo Binay . . . .he should not pout . . .lalo na siya hinding cute!

  • $14334231

    taon-tao…sarap nilang sumupsop…ikaw nakatikim ka na ba…..saka sila ang mga sugar mommy ko…’di ako katulad mo na gumagastos para lang makatikim…ako ang ginagastusan….pinapasarap ko lang ang buhay nila….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Nakatikim ka na ba ng tao?

      • $14334231

        PADRE DAMASO KA , ANO?….hanggang ki mariang palad ka lang siguro o di kaya bakling ka…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hahaha…hihihi.hohoho…subukan mo paminsan-minsan ang tao.

      • nakatutok

        tanungin natin si VOKKIN…

  • UrHONOR

    PARA ano kaya yong suot sa ulo ng mga TNL na naka-saya?  Toque ba yon o pacman helmet?  Parang mga clown tingnan yong mga nakasuot ng adornong yon sa ulo.  Ang iba pang nakitaaan kong naka-suot ng ganyan ay yong mga Reigstered Nurse…..mas maliit nga lamang.  Ano kayang gimik sa helmet na yon?  Yong mga bading na mahilig sa fashion show ay malamang alam ang sagot dito.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      May orasyon iyon laban sa mga may masasamang hangaring tulad ng sa inyo…na hindi kayo matatahimik hanggat hindi nawawala ulo niyong basyo ang masasamang paglalarawan sa mga taong and advocacy as love, courage and obedience to God.

      I repeat to God, hindi sa inyo.

      • MATONeeta

        si ate ding pala naniniwal sa orsyon hihihi  

  • AlexanderAmproz

    What a Political masquerade !

    How long the Country will be still drown and abused by those peoples in robes ?

    Such a ceremonies, only da backward Colonial Philippines.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      Kailangan siguro nila ng maskara parang takip sa mga utot ninyong lumalabas sa bunganga.

      • MATONeeta

        ate baka duguin ka jan sa galet mu

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Hindi ko na pinapatulan ang mga patutsada mo…
        mabuting di hamak sa ‘yo si EDGAGO MAGDUSA…
        ‘yung ingay niya kahit senseless, may tunog.

        Ikaw, maingay ka lang, pero walang tunog.
        Kulang ang pagkalalaki mo, ‘yang maton mo, dapat MATSING.

        Bye…magsolo ka na o magpaturo ka  kay EDGAGO.

  • InChristAlone_75

    Catholics do not fully know and understand what Jesus Christ has done for them otherwise they would not continue to be part of this false religion.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      What makes you furious against the objectives of these people for love, courage and obedience to God?

      • InChristAlone_75

        Furious is an understatement.  I once belonged to this cult and so I personally know that its true objective is to lead people away from Christ. Practically all its teachings categorically contradict God’s word.

        The Bible warns us about these so called church leaders –

        Jeremiah 23:16 – This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets
        are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak
        visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
         
        2 Timothy 3:15 – ‘having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.’

        1 John 4:1 – Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
        whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out
        into the world.

        Matthew 7:15 – “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

        Matthew 7:22-23 – Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in
        your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

      • jenny lim

         The Bible warns us about these so called church leaders –

        Jeremiah 23:16 – This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. – Catholics are not doing this, you do. Examine yourself. 2 Timothy 3:15 – ‘having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.’ – we Catholics rely on God’s power and the help of His saints in heaven. It’s evident in our prayers [liturgy] and sacraments. I don’t know to what power you rely on and what’s your proof.

        1 John 4:1 – Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. – you have to consider yourself as one of those because you are bogus.

        Matthew 7:15 – “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. – you preach your false interpretation of the bible here, are you a prophet?

        Matthew 7:22-23 – Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your
        name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’Then
        I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you
        evildoers!’ – it refers to faith, calling God’s name, but live not according to God’s will.  It is faith without good works.  Like what you are doing here, you quote bible verses but you do the exact opposite what these verses teach.

        Now judge for yourself who’s fooling who?

      • InChristalone

         The man-made sacraments or moreaptly called rituals that the RCC imposes on its faithfuls bring about nothing
        but FALSE HOPES.

        The priest BAPTIZES withwater which is said to WASH AWAY ORIGINAL SIN and regenerate Catholics aschildren of God (1213)

        The priest is said to havethe POWER TO IMPART THE HOLY SPIRIT through the sacrament of CONFIRMATION(1302).

        The priest is said to havethe POWER TO FORGIVE SINS through the sacrament of PENANCE (986)

        The sinner can perform ACTSOF CHARITY (1394) or earn INDULGENCES (1471) TO HAVE SINS FORGIVEN

        The priest is said to havethe POWER TO CALL THE LORD JESUS DOWN FROM HEAVEN to re-present Him as asacrificial victim for the sins of the living and the dead (1367)

        The priest is said to OFFERTHE LORD JESUS CHRIST TO CATHOLICS IN THE EUCHARISTIC WAFER (1374)

        The priest performs LASTRITES FOR CATHOLICS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF THEIR SINS AND TO PREPARE THEM FORETERNITY (1532)  – fromreachingcatholics.org

         

        ONLY GOD can FORGIVE our sins through JESUS CHRIST, not the priests whoperform these rites.  Jesus does not needa physical representative to do his job, He is God!!! – this is the work of the Holy Spirit  – “These things I have spoken to you,while abiding with you. “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Fatherwill send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to yourremembrance all that I said to you. 

        Every time Catholics hear mass they show they do not believe in the FINISHEDWORK of Christ on the Cross. God accepts no other sacrifice but Jesus.

        “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: Sacrifice and offeringyou did not desire,    but a body you prepared for me;withburnt offerings and sin offerings    you were notpleased.Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in thescroll—    I have come to do your will, my God” – Hebrews10:5-7

        Now can you say have truly relied on God? No you have not! your Lord andSaviour is your prieThe Lord says:

        “THESE PEOPLE COME NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOR ME WITH THEIRLIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME. THEIR WORSHIP OF ME IS MADE UP ONLY OFRULES TAUGHT BY MEN.” – Isaiah 29:13

         

      • jenny lim

         Where in the bible which says; that only God can forgive sins?

      • InChristalone

        Unbelievable Mr Manalo are you asking me this because you do not know the exact verses that say so or because you really do not believe only God can forgive sins??????

      • jenny lim

        Answer. Why are you afraid to give the verse.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        YOU SAID SO MANY USELESS WORDS, YET YOU HAVEN’T ANSWERED MY SIMPLE QUESTION.  LET ME RESTATE IT:

        WHAT MAKES YOU FURIOUS AGAINST THE OBJECTIVES OF THESE PEOPLE FOR LOVE, COURAGE AND OBEDIENCE TO GOD.

        IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS?  (I just added this question, hoping you may understand the question better.  Your going astray again means only that you CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT YOU ONLY DO NOT WANT TO. 

        HOWEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE, YOUR REACTION WILL ONLY DIVULGE YOUR TRUE INTENTIONS.

    • jenny lim

       Hmmm. It’s just interesting that most Catholics who do not study to learn more about their faith became protestants or born again Christians or other sects [all claimed to be the true church] and yet protestants who strive to study to learn more about their faith became Catholics. [I invite you brother to research and read the lives of Scott Hahn, Steve Ray and Cardinal Newman].  Para naman maliwanagan ka.

      • InChristalone

        This is in reply to a previous thread. For some strange reasons I can’t post my comments for everyone to see, waited for hours for the moderator’s approval but nil, hence the change of my username.

        God is God of the living and not of the dead because in Him all are
        alive. Saints are not dead but alive in God’s bosom. Abraham was dead
        and Lazarus and the rich man [in sheol] yet they were there with the
        Father and the rich man asking help from Lazarus.

        So, saints are still dead? ABSOLUTELY! Only Jesus Christ ascended in
        heaven – No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from
        heaven–the Son of Man – John 3:13

        We are not saying the saints save us, but we believe they can help us pray for our salvation. They pray with us and for us.

        Please see above comment who re the ONLY man who has gone to heaven.

        Faith without works is dead – Absolutely right! But the fruit of the
        Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness,
        faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is
        no law – Galatians 5:22-23

        Faith and works save! FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE saves! For it is by
        grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from
        yourselves, it is the gift of God— NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can
        boast.

        From your argument, satan and his minions believed on God and even
        have acknowledged Christ as the Son of God but their faith are just
        simple believing without works. If we follow your argument then even
        sinners and the wicked can be saved if they simply believe and accept
        Christ. To believe and have faith is to be followed or supported with
        good actions or good works. Jesus said; not all who called my name are
        saved but only those who does the will of my Father.

        This is not my argument, it is the WORD OF GOD. It might sound unfair for mortal men like us but that’s how amazing GOD is!

        For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I
        will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore,
        depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy – Romans 9:15-16

        For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him – John 3:17.

        .. and do you not remember the thief on the cross with Jesus? and the song amazing grace ”  Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, That saved a wretch like
        me…..How precious did that Grace appear The hour I first
        believed….

      • jenny lim

        Faith without works is dead.  The fruit of the spirit is that faith with works. It’s so simple.

        Saints are not dead, because as holy people, they’re with God just like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the prophets.  There are so many biblical accounts on that. And if Jesus is the one coming down from heaven, it’s beyond question that Jesus can also bring to heaven those who faithfully followed Him amidst suffering until death [the saints].  So in heaven, they intercede for the living.

        There’s always an argument of your naive interpretation of the bible.

        There are two kinds of faith described by Jesus in the gospel.

        [1] Faith without woks does not save:  because even Satan believed in God and in Christ yet he has no good works.  Faith without work is like a body without soul.  Faith without work is like that fool who built his house upon the sand.

        [2]Faith with works saves:  the righteous, those who sow goodness shall inherit the kingdom of God. Those who put their faith in practice is like that wise man who built his house upon the rock. At the time of judgment Jesus will separate the resurrected ones into his left [goats] and right [sheep].  In His left are those who have faith without good works. In His right are those who live their faith through good works.

  • $23228448

    Noynoy with, Moe, Larry, and Curly

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Church-gov’t ties thawing<<<

    OO nga naman, nagthawthawanan daw ang mga kurbata ng gobierno at simbahan!  Ano kayang simbahan yon?  Ops…..yon palang may suot ng nakakathawang sumbalilo na bading na bading ang dating! 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      CHURCH HIT FOR BLAMING AIDS ON GAYS, PDI Dec. 6, 2012.

      NGAYON, ALAM KO NA KUNG BAKIT GALIT KA SA SIMBAHAN….bwaaah.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS KATOLIBAN SUMPA YAN NG ESPANA SA PILIPINAS TINGNAN MO DUMARAMI DESPERADO BATANG PALABOY ISNATCHER UNSAFE NA METRO MANILA SAVE THE COUNTRY TO THE EXTREMIST CHURCH”’

  • jenny lim

    Irrefutable truths:  Fellow Catholics, we do not need to defend our Catholic Faith because it has its own power and authority – rooted in Christ and founded by Christ upon the Apostles.  This is our One, Holy, Universal [Catholic] and Apostolic Church.

    1) There’s not one protestant Church [ including born again christians, etc.] – the protestants keep dividing. It only goes to show that their doctrines are not solid, their teachings are dependent on the moods of the ‘leader’ and their spirituality bends with the wind.

    2) Those who left the Catholic Church are disgruntled people who did not really understand their faith either because they did have the brains for it or they did not receive the grace or they found it difficult to live by its teachings. So to justify their wrong doings they left the Church and either put up their own or joined those who were willing to condone with their wrong doings.

    3) Only the Catholic Church has withstood all the challenges and tests of times. It has remained THE One, Holy, Apostolic, Universal Church. Whatever protestants say, the
    Church is the Church and no matter what their claims are, no matter how they attack it, the fact remains that the Catholic Church remains to have the biggest following, the most influential and highly respected among other big religious denominations. Unfortunately, it’s the small time breakaway protestant groups that are most angry at the Church. That’s what you call GREAT ENVY!

    4) Only to the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church – and no other small time,
    self-appointed pastor – enjoy the respect and highest esteem of all world leaders.

    5) And so in their despair to grow into not even 1% the size of the Catholic Church, these small time envious trying hard self-proclaimed breakaway protestants are dying to do everything they could to attack and put down the Church. Does it even create a scratch? Nah! They are only able to persuade those ‘Catholics’ who were never Catholics from the start.

    6) There have been a number of intelligent, well-known protestants and pastor, who after studying the faith, embraced the Catholic Church because they realized how stupid they had been to have embraced a religion that was only concocted by one or two self-proclaimed prophets’.  We have Cardinal Newman, Scott Hahn, and Steve Ray [to name the few].

    7) There are few small Christian groups who are not‘attackers’ of faith. While they may have reasons why they left the Catholic Church, they remain friendly and respectful. Now, that is what I call Christian– we may not have the same faith but we are believers of the same God – and we respect the way we express our faith.

    • AlexanderAmproz

      Fantastic, un-expectable, in the XXI century,

      an 400 hundreds years old delayed rhetoric,

      it show no progress have been done on that point,

      almost since Magellan.

      Everybody know Philippines is a backward country on social and economic development, but apparently, reading your post, also on the intellectual one.

      Oh, my Goodness !

      NB: May I suggest you to read Jean Calvin(1509-1564), an out standing universally

      respected intellectual, considered as the father of the modern capitalism,
      putting a point on interest rates, they should not be higher than 6% for a balance between the borrower and lender, for a stable economy. Obviously, the elites Gang’s running the country don’t have read Calvin, it’s not Feudal enough to satisfy the insatiable greed sickness under the Clergy protection.
      At the same time the Spanish discovered the Ube,
      making a killing success with it’s violet color, in Madrid.
      To have a better “harvest”, the Priest who where in charge to collect them, telling the natives, it’s a God fruit, and they will go to hell in case of damages on the skin.
      Natives stop to eat them and start starving, dying, till the Priest had no other choices to change their policy….

      • jenny lim

        And I’m surprised you still think that way.

        This country is poor because of bad governance and wrong priorities plus a corrupted culture.

        I’ve read Luther, Calvin, Wesley and their works. Now I suggest you read the lives  of Scott Hahn, Steve Ray and Cardinal Newman. And really if you search for truth just go on and not just imprison yourself with what your pastor tells you. Read history 1,500 earlier before Protestantism erupted. Examine your belief and try it in a crucible of history, theology and bible. I challenge you if you have really a “truth seeking” mind.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        On Historical societal point of view,
        the Bible is an interesting book, 
        the incunable for artistic’s value, I like them very much.
        For the content I will prefer the Iliad and Odysseus or
        the One Thousand and one Night.
        I am not naive enough to swallow the Bible as an “Holly” book,
        opposite, it’s lead to too many crazy wars leaded by fanatics.

        Philippines is a perfect Religious “cartoon” of divide to rule
        on purpose to protect hidden criminal Trapos/Clergy interest,
        the Erap all war out to the Muslim’s, or the GMA all war out
        to the Communist, this is just a rubbish Clergy/elites game
        to be able to suck freely all the country wealth and blood.

        In Europe, moral standards are higher than Philippines by far,
        killing, torturing, robbing, grabbing, kidnaping, 
        hold up are not accepted as a way of life.
        Have too many first hand informations about Priest and Clergy
        in the Archipelago, they are trash’s at the best.

        I will “pray lol ” for the Vatican to become as soon as possible a Museum.
        On Historical point of view, I hope to see the day, 
        when they will open their Archives with mafia’s and politic’s connections. Today The Banco Ambrosiano is known to be
        Italy best laundering money machine, with strong mafia ties.
        Did you remember the US Cardinal Paul Marcinkus(I.O.R.)
        apparently involved, few years ago, in the Italian Government
        “state terrorism”. Licio Gellli (loge P2, Bologna train station blast) Roberto Calvi, among others,
        founded hang below London Bridge to be silenced.
        What about Pope Paul I assassination ?
        Opus Dei never far, all those are no more no less than
        an sophisticated Trapos style machine.

        By luck all the Cathedral and Churches are almost desert
        all around Europe, with notorious exceptions for the backward places
        alike Poland, Ireland, South of Spain, South Italy or in the Alps deep valley with Latin masse…..

        How many envelops inside the Pajero’s

        Leave me with my Sardonic laugh, all the way to the cemetery, lol

        ——————— ” WADE RETRO SATANAS ! ” ————————-

      • jenny lim

         You’re like a barking dog. Argue my points reasonably.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Sorry, your point’s are too archaic for me,
        the oldest evangelic was written 200 AC,
        about 30 of them where written, 
        later on, 4 where chosen, inexistent
        the most politically correct of the season.
        From Arabian to Greek to Latin and finally
        in any existing language.
        Each time it’s translated, some significations
        are lost, some others changing meaning,
        then your Holy Book is totally inaccurate and 
        has less values than any authentic Tales books.

        The old testament , much worst, if written to day,
        it will be not allowed as calling for violences.
        From A to Z, historically totally fake, 
        philologically speaking, inexistent traces,
        Archeologically speaking, inexistent till today,
        like the Salomon Kingdom never existed and
        so many others.

        I will prefer to argue on thin air,
        more interesting.

      • jenny lim

        Don’t cover yourself with pretense. As it goes, truth hurts and maybe truth for you is archaic, old, or however you regard it – it doesn’t change anything – it remains to be the truth.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        Go abroad to visit different’s places,
        museum’s, library’s.
        By example :
        In Protestant Northern-Europe countries,
        by Ethics, no corruptions or snatcher’s,
        no death squad or Private Armies but
        best Universities, none starving in front
        Episcopats and Churches, none dying on side walk !

        The Pilipino model is pure rubbish,
        do the Clergy doing anything outside
        entertain it ?

        I feel to vomit !

        Among the 60 places I have been,
        I can say the Churches and social
        conditions are the worst,
        even Ouganda is better by far,
        clean, soft speaking, british educated.

        Philippines is a sick and failed country
        thank’s peoples like you !

    • No Mind

      There’s no problem for you putting-up the biggest religion so far, what is demonic on your part is when you influence government leaders in terms of legislation. You are just fulfilling what was there written in the book of apocalypse about the 666, that this beast is going to influence rulers and kings and let them bow down on you. It’s hurting for us trying to make solutions on poverty and there you are deceiving the government while ignoring the million lives dying out of poverty. Your prayers cannot solve this!

      • jenny lim

        Well, that’s the way you see it. I respect that. But it does not change the truth.

    • franklyn flores

      My friend well said. I respect your views but it remains as your views. Roughly 51.3% of Americans are Protestants, 23.9% are Catholics(copy pasted it from wiki). There are also number of intelligent priests and nuns that turns into other sects remember. Catholic numbers are dwindling at least where I am from. There was a study that atleast 50 percent of priests are homosexuals why full of homosexuals? Because they forbid priests to Mary so only those who are not interested in women can withstand it. St. Peter by the way has a wife. Back in those days there are no Catholics there are only Christians. Peace bro

      • jenny lim

        Catholic was coined by St. Ignatius of Antioch as early as 100AD.  In Antioch, the followers were called Christians for the first time. 

        That community in Antioch was that same community called themselves Catholics.  And that same community of believers was the same group of believers persecuted by Jews and Romans.

        Sorry bro. You better have further research in history.

      • franklyn flores

        My friend, the Roman Catholic you know today is different from what the early Christians believe. Example: There is no Rosary back then and they don’t pray to Mary they pray directly to God through Jesus and not through with all due respect to the blessed mother Mary because the lamb of God (Jesus) have took away the sins of the world and now we are worthy to be heard

  • InChristalone

    …All of a sudden my posts need approval!!!???? MODERATOR are you Vatican possessed too???
     

    “IF YOU ABIDE IN MY WORD,
    YOU ARE TRULY MY DISCIPLES,
    AND YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH,
    AND THE TRUTH WILL SET
    YOU FREE.” John 8:31

  • InChristalone

     “THESE PEOPLE COME NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH AND HONOR ME WITH
    THEIRLIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME. THEIR WORSHIP OF ME IS MADE
    UP ONLY OFRULES TAUGHT BY MEN.” – Isaiah 29:13

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      RULES ARE GUIDELINES ONLY…AS WE ARE NOT ROBOTS, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE, USE DISCRETION, DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES ON A CASE-TO-CASE BASIS.

      • InChristAlone_75

        There’s a difference between a rule and a guideline.  Rules must be followed while guidelines are only suggestions. 

        Do you mean RCC only suggests that you  hear mass, be baptised, be confirmed, take communion, etc etc? What does Vatican call its members who do not follow these rules and how are they dealt with? Oops you might get in trouble…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        You can answer that with your conscience, not with a big mouth or head.

      • InChristalone

        My question is clear as the summer sky,  are you saying that RCC only suggests that you  hear mass, be baptised, be confirmed, take communion, etc etc?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

        Sa iyo galing ‘yan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

    Ang perception, sa paningin ng nakatingin.
    Ang description ay hitsura ng isang bagay, kahit hindi mo tiningnan.
    Ngayon, tinuturuan pa kita.

  • jenny lim

    Irrefutable truths:  Fellow Catholics, we do not need to defend our Catholic Faith because it has its own power and authority – rooted in Christ and founded by Christ upon the Apostles.  This is our One, Holy, Universal [Catholic] and Apostolic Church.

    1) There’s not one protestant Church [ including born again christians, etc.] – the protestants keep dividing. It only goes to show that their doctrines are not solid, their teachings are dependent on the moods of the ‘leader’ and their spirituality bends with the wind.

    2) Those who left the Catholic Church are disgruntled people who did not really understand their faith either because they did have the brains for it or they did not receive the grace or they found it difficult to live by its teachings. So to justify their wrong doings they left the Church and either put up their own or joined those who were willing to condone with their wrong doings.

    3) Only the Catholic Church has withstood all the challenges and tests of times. It has remained THE One, Holy, Apostolic, Universal Church. Whatever protestants say, the Church is the Church and no matter what their claims are, no matter how they attack it, the fact remains that the Catholic Church remains to have the biggest following, the most influential and highly respected among other big religious denominations. Unfortunately, it’s the small time breakaway protestant groups that are most angry at the Church. That’s what you call GREAT ENVY!

    4) Only to the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church – and no other small time, self-appointed pastor – enjoy the respect and highest esteem of all world leaders.

    5) And so in their despair to grow into not even 1% the size of the Catholic Church, these small time envious trying hard self-proclaimed breakaway protestants are dying to do everything they could to attack and put down the Church. Does it even create a scratch? Nah! They are only able to persuade those ‘Catholics’ who were never Catholics from the start.

    6) There have been a number of intelligent, well-known protestants and pastor, who after studying the faith, embraced the Catholic Church because they realized how stupid they had been to have embraced a religion that was only concocted by one or two self-proclaimed
    prophets’.  We have Cardinal Newman, Scott Hahn, and Steve Ray [to name the few].

    7) There are few small Christian groups who are not‘attackers’ of faith. While they may have reasons why they left the Catholic Church, they remain friendly and respectful. Now, that is what I call Christian–we may not have the same faith but we are believers of the same God –
    and we respect the way we express our faith.

  • jenny lim

    For those who said that “faith alone saves” and support this with “the fruits of the Spirit are kindness, gentleness, etc… Precisely, that’s what Catholics are talking about, faith that is truly inspired by the Spirit bears fruits of “good works” – corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

    Now, I will refute reasonably and biblically that “faith alone does not save” – it is Christ Himself who declared it.

    One  of the doctrines by Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was that salvation could be achieved by faith alone. While of course faith is necessary, it is what you do with that faith that counts. If you believe is it also not true that you follow and obey. To not act in a way dictated by the faith is a clear sign of hypocritical and false faith. Yes, we are saved by faith. But it is not by faith alone.

    “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the
    king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did
    for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did
    not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:31-46

    In this scripture, Jesus is explaining the judgment of nations and what is required for
    salvation. Our very salvation depends upon what we do. Christ did not say it was just enough to believe that the poor should be fed, we must feed them. Christ did not say it was just enough to pray for those that are ill, we must care for them. From this passage it is easy to understand that if we do not act we are in fact neglecting Christ.

  • jenny lim

    Continuation:  Faith Alone Does Not Save [Scriptures Prove It]
     
    “Do not be amazed at this, because the hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation. ” John 5:28-29

    Those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life? One of my favorite parts of confession is as asking for the forgiveness of the sin of failing to take action. So many times we do not do as we should, we do nothing, a sin of omission. Those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life? I suspect just “thinking” or “believing” is not enough.

    “There was a scholar of the law who stood up to test him and said, ‘Teacher, what must
    I do to inherit eternal life?’ Jesus said to him, ‘What is written in the law? How do you read it?’ He said in reply, ‘You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your being, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.’ He replied to him, ‘You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.'” Luke 10:25-28

    The questions was what must I “do”, not what must I “believe”. And Jesus answered
    you must “do”, not you must “believe”. “For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified.” Romans 2:13

    Once again, it is not enough to “hear” the law, one must “observe”. In other words, live the law, not just “believe” it. “By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. There is no partiality with God.”
    Romans 2:5-11

    Paul is clear on this point. Our salvation comes through our own deeds and merits, as
    well as how we “live” our faith. This is not the same as saying that we receive salvation through works alone because we all know there is no salvation without Christ. Yes, you must have faith, but it is a “living” faith.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

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  • InChristalone

    I made this comment on a previous post to RIZALMANALO -“ONLY GOD can FORGIVE our sins through JESUS CHRIST”
    Here is his response:WHERE IN THE BIBLE WHICH SAYS; THAT ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS?Here is a man professing to all that his faith is rooted in Christ and going great lengths to scour the Bible to defend it and he asks me this??? Indeed the Bible is true when it says to watch out for the likes of Mr Manalo who come in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.God promises that if you will seek Him, you will find Him. My Catholic brothers and sisters I pray to God that He will open your heart and your minds to the truth of his Word.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UZF4OTGY4BREFE42RXP7FZJKFY Ding

      So, you did pray already.  Have faith, your prayer will be heard.
      Now, you can relax, you have done your job. 

    • jenny lim

      Ang dami mong satstat. My question is so simple. Answer it. Are you afraid of something?

    • jenny lim

       We pray for you…

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  • jenny lim

    To ICA_75: Just give the verse. Ito pa para sa’yo – manigas ka.

    There was only one church founded by Christ

    33 A.D.
    The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church (with St. Peter as the first Pope who fled Jerusalem and went to Rome, imprisoned and martyred during the time of Emperor Nero) was founded by God-made-man, Jesus Christ. He said: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it… Feed my lambs; feed My sheep” (Matt. 16:18,19; John 21:15,17). He also said: “He who is not with Me is against
    Me, and he who gathers not with me scatters” (Matt.12:30).

    1,500 after [more or less]

    1517:
    Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther, a former priest of the Roman Catholic Church. This marked the beginning of the Protestant Reformation.

    1521: 
    Anabaptist first appeared in Zwickau, in the present kingdom of Saxony. Initially, they were primarily against infant baptism.

    1525:
    Schwenkfeldians were founded by Kaspar of Schwenkfeld, aulic councillor of Duke Frederick of Liegnitz and canon. At first he associated himself with Luther, but later opposed the latter in his Christology, as well as in his conception of the Eucharist, and his doctrine of
    justification.

    1531:
    The Socinians and other Anti-Trinitarians attacked the fundamental doctrine of the Blessed Trinity. Chief founder of Anti-Trinitarians was Laelius Socinus, teacher of jurisprudence at Siena, and his nephew, Faustus Socinus.

    1536: 
    Mennonites founded by Menno Simons, a former Catholic priest and later an Anabaptist elder. They deny infant baptism and the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

    1534: 
    Church of England (Anglicanism) was founded by King Henry VIII when he threw off the authority of the Pope and proclaimed himself the head of the Church in England, because the Pope refused to declare invalid his marriage with Queen Catherine.

    1560: 
    The Presbyterian denomination was begun by John Knox who was dissatisfied with Anglicanism.

    1600
    1608: 
    The Baptist church was launched by John Smyth in Amsterdam, Holland.

    1620:
    The Swiss Mennonites split into Amish or Upland Mennonites and Lowland Mennonites.

    1671:
    Quakers were founded by John George Fox of Drayton in Leicestershire. He favored a visionary spiritualism, and found in the soul of each man a portion of the Divine intelligence. All are allowed to preach, according as the spirit incites them.

    1700
    1744: 
    The Methodist church was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England.

    1774: 
    The Unitarians were founded by Theophilus Lindley in London.

    1784:  Episcopalian denomination was begun by Samuel Seabury who was dissatisfied with Presbyterianism.

    1787: 
    The founder of The Salvation Army is William Booth, who quit the Anglicans, and then the Methodists, and set up his own version of Christianity.

    1800
    1822:
    Mormons founded by Joseph Smith, who made his appearance with supposed revelations in 1822.

    1872:
    The Jehovah’s Witness Church was developed by Charles Russell.

    1879: 
    Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy began the Christian Scientist religion basing it upon an outright denial of Original Sin and its effects.

    1896: 
    Ballinger Booth, the son of William Booth, quit The Salvation Army and started his own church.

    The Seventh-Day Adventists, the Church of Christ, The Church of the Nazarene, or any of the various Pentecostal Churches, etc. are also among the hundreds of new churches founded by men within the past 150 years or so.

    1900
    2000
    Over 33,000 Sects “Scattered” Outside The One Church Founded By Christ.

    …kasama na ‘yung sekta mo bro ICA_75. Kaya wag kang magyabang tungkol sa kaalaman mo. Be humble and be a good witness. Wala tayong maging problema. Pero pag ina-atake mo kaming Katoliko, sasampalin ka mismo ng mga argumento mo.

  • jenny lim

    To my fellow Catholics here. This is to answer ICA_75 who attacks the sacrament of penance [confession] on the ground that only God can forgive sins.  I wonder because when I ask him about the verse, he would not give it.  Maybe there’s he knows about the verse which he’s afraid to be known.  Anyway, here’s the reasonable and biblical explanation about this sacrament.

    The Forgiveness Of Sins [Part 1]

    All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary, but how is this pardon received by individuals? Did Christ leave us any means within the Church to take away sin? The Bible says he gave us two means.

    Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism—sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away
    your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16). And so Peter later wrote, “Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Pet. 3:21).

    For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed. It has been called
    penance, confession, and reconciliation, each word emphasizing one of its.aspects. During his life, Christ forgave sins, as in the case of the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11) and the woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:48). He exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah or Son of man, telling us, “the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Matt. 9:6), which is why the Gospel writer himself explains that God “had given such authority to men” (Matt. 9:8).

  • jenny lim

    To my fellow Catholics here. This is to answer ICA_75 who attacks the sacrament of penance [confession] on the ground that only God can forgive sins. I wonder because when I ask him about the verse, he would not give it. Maybe there’s he knows about the verse which he’s afraid to be known. Anyway, here’s the reasonable and biblical explanation about this sacrament. [Continuation...Part 2]

    Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

    God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, “‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’” (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he
    made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)

  • jenny lim

    To my fellow Catholics here. This is to answer ICA_75 who attacks the sacrament of penance [confession] on the ground that only God can forgive sins. I wonder because when I ask him about the verse, he would not give it. Maybe there’s he knows about the verse which he’s afraid to be known. Anyway, here’s the reasonable and biblical explanation about this sacrament. [Continuation...Part 3] 

    The Commission

    Christ told the apostles to follow his example: “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you” (John 20:21). Just as the apostles were to carry Christ’s message to the whole world, so they were to carry his forgiveness: “Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 18:18).

    This power was understood as coming from God: “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation” (2 Cor. 5:18). Indeed, confirms Paul, “So we are ambassadors for Christ” (2 Cor. 5:20).

    Some say that any power given to the apostles died with them. Not so. Some powers must have, such as the ability to write Scripture. But the powers necessary to maintain the Church as a living, spiritual society had to be passed down from generation to generation. If they ceased, the Church would cease, except as a quaint abstraction. Christ ordered the apostles to, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” It would take much time. And he promised them assistance: “Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age”
    (Matt. 28:19–20).

    If the disciples believed that Christ instituted the power to sacramentally forgive sins in his stead, we would expect the apostles’ successors—the bishops—and Christians of later years to act as though such power was legitimately and habitually exercised. If, on the other hand, the sacramental forgiveness of sins was what Fundamentalists term it, an “invention,”
    and if it was something foisted upon the young Church by ecclesiastical or political leaders, we’d expect to find records of protest. In fact, in early Christian writings we find no sign of protests concerning sacramental forgiveness of sins. Quite the contrary. We find confessing to a priest was accepted as part of the original deposit of faith handed down from the
    apostles.

  • jenny lim

    On Confession [Part 4]

    Lots of Gumption

    Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, claims “auricular confession to a priest instead of to God” was instituted in 1215 at the Fourth Lateran Council. This is an extreme example, even for a committed anti-Catholic. Few people have the gumption to place the “invention” of confession so late, since there is so much early Christian writing—a good portion of it one thousand or more years before that council—that refers to the practice of
    confession as something already long-established.

    Actually, the Fourth Lateran Council did discuss confession. To combat the lax morals of
    the time, the council regulated the already-existing duty to confess one’s sins by saying that Catholics should confess any mortal sins at least once a year. To issue an official decree about how frequently a sacrament must be celebrated is hardly the same as “inventing” that sacrament.

    The earliest Christian writings, such as the first-century Didache, are indefinite on the procedure for confession to be used in the forgiveness of sins, but a verbal confession is listed as part of the Church’s requirement by the time of Irenaeus (A.D. 180). He wrote that the disciples of the Gnostic heretic Marcus “have deluded many women. . . . Their consciences have been branded as with a hot iron. Some of these women make a public confession, but others are ashamed to do this, and in silence, as if withdrawing themselves from the hope of the life of God, they either apostatize entirely or hesitate between the two
    courses” (Against Heresies 1:22).

    The sacrament of penance is clearly in use, for Irenaeus speaks of making an outward confession (versus remaining silent) upon which the hope of eternal life hangs, but it is not yet clear from Irenaeus just how, or to whom, confession is to be made. Is it privately, to the priest, or before the whole congregation, with the priest presiding? The one thing we can say for sure is that the sacrament is understood by Irenaeus as having originated in the infant
    Church.

    Later writers, such as Origen (241), Cyprian (251), and Aphraates (337), are clear in saying
    confession is to be made to a priest. (In their writings the whole process of penance is termedexomologesis, which means confession—the confession was seen as the main part of the sacrament.) Cyprian writes that the forgiveness of sins can take place only “through the priests.” Ambrose says “this right is given to priests only.” Pope Leo I says absolution can be obtained only through the prayers of the priests. These utterances are not taken as novel, but as reminders of accepted belief. We have no record of anyone objecting, of anyone claiming these men were pushing an “invention.”

  • jenny lim

    On Confession [Part 5]

    Confession Implied

    Note that the power Christ gave the apostles was twofold: to forgive sins or to hold them bound, which means to retain them unforgiven. Several things follow from this. First, the apostles could not know what sins to forgive and what not to forgive unless they were first told the sins by the sinner. This implies confession. Second, their authority was not merely to proclaim that God had already forgiven sins or that he would forgive sins if there were proper repentance.

    Such interpretations don’t account for the distinction between forgiving and retaining—nor do they account for the importance given to the utterance in John 20:21–23. If God has already forgiven all of a man’s sins, or will forgive them all (past and future) upon a single act of repentance, then it makes little sense to tell the apostles they have been given the power to “retain” sins, since forgiveness would be all-or-nothing and nothing could be “retained.”

    Furthermore, if at conversion we were forgiven all sins, past, present, and future, it would make no sense for Christ to require us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors,” which he explained is required because “if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses” (Matt. 6:12–15).

    If forgiveness really can be partial—not a once-for-all thing—how is one to tell which sins have been forgiven, which not, in the absence of a priestly decision? You can’t very well rely on your own gut feelings. No, the biblical passages make sense only if the apostles and their successors were given a real authority.

  • jenny lim

    On Confession [conclusion]

    The Advantages

    Is the Catholic who confesses his sins to a priest any better off than the non-Catholic who confesses directly to God? Yes. First, he seeks forgiveness the way Christ intended. Second, by confessing to a priest, the Catholic learns a lesson in humility, which is avoided when one confesses only through private prayer. Third, the Catholic receives sacramental graces the non-Catholic doesn’t get; through the sacrament of penance sins are forgiven and graces are obtained. Fourth, the Catholic is assured that his sins are forgiven; he does not have to rely on a subjective “feeling.” Lastly, the Catholic can also obtain sound advice on avoiding sin in the future.

    During his lifetime Christ sent out his followers to do his work. Just before he left this world, he gave the apostles special authority, commissioning them to make God’s forgiveness present to all people, and the whole Christian world accepted this, until just a few centuries ago. If there is an “invention” here, it is not the sacrament of penance, but the notion that the sacramental forgiveness of sins is not to be found in the Bible or in early Christian history.

  • InChristalone

    “To ICA_75: Just give the verse. Ito pa para sa’yo – manigas ka.

    There was only one church founded by Christ”
    “Ang dami mong satstat. My question is so simple. Answer it. Are you afraid of something?”

    Mr Manalo I would have expected something more respectful from a man who claims his faith is rooted in Christ
    .
    I repeat ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS.  Mr Manalo Christ died for your sins! and for the rest of humankind.  I know that not all Catholics will disagree with me on this. There are plenty of verses in the Bible but here’s my favourite one from the Book of Hebrews 10:10-18

    DAY AFTER DAY EVERY PRIEST STANDS AND PERFORMS
    HIS RELIGIOUS DUTIES; AGAIN AND AGAIN HE OFFERS THE SAME SACRIFICES, WHICH CAN
    NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS. But when this priest (JESUS) had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
    The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
    “This is the covenant I will make with them
        after that time, says the Lord.I will put my laws in their hearts,    and I will write them on their minds.”
    Then he adds:
    “THEIR SINS AND LAWLESS ACTS    I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”
    And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

    ‘Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in HEAVEN AND ON EARTH has been given to me’ – Matthew 28:18. The disciples were not given authority to forgive sins Jesus merely gave the disciples a SPIRIT-powered and SPIRIT-guided mission to preach the Gospel of forgiveness to the new believers and we believers do have the same privilege of preaching this good news. Mahilig ang katoliko sa sa ‘visible representation’ of God. He promised us his Holy Spirit! “The Spirit’s indwelling in us enables us to understand and interpret
    God’s Word. Jesus told His disciples that “when He, the Spirit of Truth,
    comes, He will guide you into all truth. He reveals to us all we need to know about God concerning worship, doctrine, and Christian living. He is the ultimate Helper, Comforter, Guide, Counselor.

    To receive God’s forgiveness you have to ADMIT that you have sinned against Him, ACCEPT that you  cannot do anything to save yourself, BE REPENTANT (turn away from anything that offends God – he will help you with this), TRUST that Jesus Christ died for your past, present and future sins on the cross and rose from the dead, and GIVE GOD COMPLETE CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE through a prayer of faith/trust.

    THERE’S NO NEED FOR PRIESTS OR INTERCESSIONS OR NOVENAS, GOING TO MASS etc just pray to God sincerely he knows what’s in your heart.

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