Be wary of Catholic ‘effort,’ Enrile tells RH backers

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There may not be a Catholic vote but there is a “Catholic effort.”

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on Thursday reminded reproductive health advocates who say there is no such thing as a Catholic vote that it was Jaime Cardinal Sin’s call to the faithful that brought the people out to Edsa in droves against Ferdinand Marcos in 1986.

“What brought about Edsa? Who were the people who went there to bring down an administration? Didn’t Cardinal Sin call on the faithful who went to Edsa to bring down [Marcos]? You have forgotten that event?” Enrile said at Thursday’s Kapihan sa Senado news forum.

“That should be food for thought for anybody who claims that there is no Catholic vote. But there is such a thing as a Catholic effort if it becomes necessary,” he said.

“You can just imagine what will happen if the bishops link their arms with nuns and priests and a crowd to march in the streets and push their position on this particular issue. Do you think any policeman or soldier would be crazy to raise his guns against these people?” Enrile said.

“Don’t ever think that this issue is that simple. We must use our heads because this is a very explosive issue,” he added.

Ironically, Enrile said he would still vote against the reproductive health (RH) bill even if all his 17 amendments to the measure were adopted.

“I’m not a hypocrite. I speak out according to my best assessment of what is good for the country. My vote is against the reproductive health bill … even if they accept my proposals,” he said.

Asked why he was proposing amendments when he was against the measure, Enrile said: “Just to show them that we are not delaying it and we want to refine it.”

“And to tell you the truth, my purpose in proposing some of my amendments is to show to the people that this bill is not really all for the health of women. It’s camouflaged as a health bill but its real purpose is to contract the population,” he said.

On the possibility his anti-RH bill stance would adversely affect the senatorial bid of his son, Cagayan Representative Jack Enrile, next year, he said: “If my son should lose because of that issue, then so be it.”

“Even my life I will put at stake for something I believe in,” he added.

Enrile doubted the Senate would be able to vote on the RH bill before Christmas.

“How can they do that? We have not finished the process. Each one of us has a right to present our amendments,” he said.

Enrile recalled that one senator had reserved the right to interpellate proponents of the bill creating a new province from Camarines Sur (CamSur), and then went abroad for a good period of time. Up to now, Enrile said, the CamSur bill is pending in the upper chamber.

“If they respect that senator, why can’t they wait for us on a very major issue?” he said.

Told of the pro-RH senators’ supposed plan to move for a vote on terminating the period of amendment, Enrile said: “That is cloture. Senator [Pia] Cayetano is only one senator. She cannot impose her will on the Senate.”

Cloture is a procedure by which a Senate debate on a measure is ended and put to an immediate vote.

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  • Platypus09

    Good reminder Senator Enrile. 

    I also would like to echo his thought that the Catholic Church or the Catholic “effort” was the biggest factor why our democracy was restored during Marcos’ time.

    Those who used to be Catholics, please don’t be hypocrites. You might need to come back.

    Catholicism has done so much to our country.

    We should be thankful to our Catholic leaders, past, present and the future.   

    I know that there are lots of Filipinos (especially those who switched to non-orthodox Christian churches) who would like to discredit the Catholic church but we need to reminded that Catholicism has brought so much to our country, especially the good things we are experiencing right now including our own democracy.

    • KapitanBagwis

      What good? How many millions were in EDSA? How many millions is the population of the Philippines. Are you sure all those in EDSA I are all voters? And how many Catholic women are in favor of the RH Bill? Pathetic Catholics under the modern Padre Damasos.

      • Platypus09

        You can say whatever you want. 

        History tells you the right facts. 

      • KapitanBagwis

        Do tell me please. What history? You better learn the Philippine history starting with Jose P. Rizal. Seek the truth and it will set you free according to the good book.

      • Platypus09

        Dude, I am not here to argue. 

        Argue with yourself. End of my post. 

        I know better, okey? 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TMO3OQD33GIGMJWOFCUQPIFQTI Christian

        “I know better, okey?”

        LOL…exactly the kind of mentality of these politicians and bishops who think they know better than everyone else, and that their opinion is the only one that matters

    • NAP67

      Did you know that the late President Ferdinand Marcos has signed several Presidential Decrees, General Orders and Letter of Instructions concerning Family Planning, and you never heard anything from the Catholic Church?

      Presidential Decree No. 79 which revises the Population Act of 1971. This decree declares that for the purpose of furthering the national development, increasing the share of each Filipino in the fruits of economic challenge of a high rate of population growth, a national program of family planning involving both public and private sectors which respects the religious beliefs and values of the individual shall be undertaken.

      Presidential Decree No. 495 (dated June 28,1974) – by virtue of this Presidential Decree, contraceptive devices that are non-abortive and are not intended for any indecent and immoral purpose are now mailable if these are to be used in pursuance of the national family planning program.

      General Order 18(date December 18, 1972) – it enjoins all citizens of the Philippines, all universities, colleges and schools, government offices and mass media, civic and voluntary organizations, religious organizations of all creeds………to promote the concept of family welfare, responsible parenthood and family planning to assure greater opportunity of each Filipino to reach his full potential and to attain his individual dignity.

      Letter of Instructions No. 47 (dated Dec. 8, 1972) – in order to facilitate the implementation of population program, it directs the Department of Education, Culture and Sports to inform all schools of medicine, nursing, midwifery, allied medical professions, and social work to prepare, plan and implement the integration of family planning in their curricula and to require from the graduates sufficient instruction in family planning as a prerequisite to qualify for the appropriate licensing examination.

      Presidential Decree No. 442 (dated May 1, 1974, effective Nov. 1, 1974) , otherwise known as the Labor Code of the Philippines, directs establishments which are require by law to maintain a clinic or infirmary to provide free family planning services to their employees , which shall include , but not limited to , the application or use of contraceptive and/or intra uterine devices…..

      Presidential Decree No. 965 (dated July 20, 1976) – It requires all couples intending to get married to first receive instructions on family planning before they can be issued a marriage license by the civil registrar.

      and Presidential Decree No. 1013, Presidential Decree No. 1410, Letter of Instructions No. 435 and 436, Presidential Decree No. 1012, Presidential Decree No. 166…………………

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

         RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and discriminatory people)

        JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

      • Facile1

        NOTE:

        1. The Catholic Church is NOT against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is against the use of oral contraceptives in Family Planning and the use of State power to control population growth.

        2. The Catholic Church, unlike Islam, does not advocate the violent overthrow of governments. Therefore, its only recourse is to work within the existing Constitution and the Bill of Rights that may limit the abuse of State power. Not all countries have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. The Philippines is one of the lucky ones.

        3. When Marcos set aside the 1936 Constitution, he eliminated all legitimate avenues for non-violent dissent.  Marcos was able to promulgate presidential decrees without challenge from anyone — including the Roman Catholic Church. There can be NO Catholic vote if there can be NO ELECTIONS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3FJHPQ5EVM7JEYPRXGZL2SPT4 Catherine

    God really inspired Senate President Enrile. If God uses him in toppling the Marcos dictatorship, He will use him again in toppling the RH Bill. Who can oppose God’s will? 

    • barako22

      we don’t know yet what’s God’s will. Maybe the downfall of Enrile

  • KapitanBagwis

    JPE is comparing apple to oranges.. EDSA is different from RH Bill.

    Go womens vote . Be sure to kick out in congress these non-performing coward and lazy tongressman.

    • mrgracia

      Ginagago tayo nitong si Enrile. Lagi kasing nakadikit kay Erap kaya akala yata mga bobo ang mga Pinoy. Yung mga nakapaliligid lang sa kanya ang mabobola niya.

  • filipinaskoh

    What happen in the EDSA 1 is  too far different in the RH bill the Filipinos were tired of Marcos while now the Filipinos are tired of seeing children begging for alms because the parents cannot raise them well, Filipinos are tired of seeing pregnant women and yet they already have a dozen of children, Filipinos are tired of seeing women dying because of pregnancy, Filipinos are tired of seeing abortions because of unwanted pregnancy, Filipinos are tired of seeing our population ballooning and the resources are no longer in proportion with the population.

    In EDSA 1 Filipinos joined hands because they want CHANGE IN THE GOVERNMENT now They want CHANGE IN THE WAY THEY RAISE THEIR FAMILY- still millions of women WANT RHBILL.

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    It was not Cardinal Sin who brought the crowds to EDSA. It was the people’s hatred of Marcos and Enrile.

    • Platypus09

      Were you there? 

      You have the wrong misconception of what happened in EDSA. 

      You need to go back and re-live history. 

      There were nuns everywhere.

      People prayed the Holy Rosary everywhere, including Enrile, Ramos and Cory Aquino.

      Radio Veritas, Catholic radio was very active, especially in the earlier part of EDSA.

      I was there, so I know what it was like.

      Those were some of the few things. Just an FYI.

      • isidro c. valencia

        Mr. Platypus09, EDSA Revolt was a Catholic Revolt. 
        Before the downfall of the dictator, INC and other religions were continuously supporting Marcos. 
        Who were the people in EDSA in 1986? Majority are Catholics, praying, singing,
        giving flowers to pro Marcos soldiers, giving food to Enrile and rebel soldiers. 
        I was there, crying for miracle to happen, praying for no bloodshed and peaceful turn over of administration. 

        The Catholic vote is a sleeping giant. The cynical will see it after P-Noy signed the bill.

        Of course, the Catholic Church will file to Supreme Court that this “evil bill” is unconstitutional, it kills unborn, and it breeds corruption.

        The BIG BROTHER and BIG BUSINESS are behind P-Noy. It involves billions of dollars and pounds just to trample the Church doctrines.  

      • abner

         thanks po sa comment nyo….lalo po akong naiinspire sa Reilihiyon ko at sa ipinaglalaban ko din po..thanks..

      • abner

         thank po sir isidro valencia

    • ApoNiLolo

      Walang Jo! Saan mo naman nakuha ‘tong info mo? Given that you’re born in the ’80s, it’s still not an excuse not to know your history just because you’re too young to understand the things around you. There are plenty of information on the net (if you abhor books) to read, even a time line of events preceding EDSA I.

      • TinimbangNgunitKulang

        I was at EDSA with my spouse and some neighbors. We did not go because we were obeying Cardinal Sin’s call. We went because we were fed up with Marcos and his cronies. We were there not to protect Enrile and Ramos. We were there to show defiance and that we’ve had enough.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Ganun naman pala, “present” ka pala sa EDSA yet your statement state other wise. Just because you, your spouse and neighbors went to EDSA not because of Sin, it doesn’t necessary mean your sentiment represent the purpose of the whole crowd who went to EDSA.

        Saan mo ba narinig ang balita, di ba sa Radio Veritas. Sino ang nag sasalita na hinihikayat pumunta ang tao sa EDSA, di ba si Sin. What ever your purpose, it was still Sin who called you and the rest of the crowd to gather at EDSA!

      • TinimbangNgunitKulang

        Your memory is selective. Butz Aquino was the first to issue a call to EDSA. Sumunod na lang si Cardinal Sin.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Wrong! It was Ramos who first ask the people to surround the two camps as suggested by Tony Abaya and Fr. DeSantis.

        Sus, Kung hindi si Cardinal Sin ang nag akayat sa masa, mabuti kung mapuno ng tao ang EDSA.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

        Excerpt from the “Inside Story of Edsa I” by Nick Joaquin:
        “…And there was Cardinal Sin on Radio Veritas appealing to the people to help Enrile and Ramos and their men. Lim decided to heed the call of His Eminence. ………..”

        The following day: “….Marcos: What is happening out there? 

        ” Mr. President there are many people converging to EDSA, between Crame and Aguinaldo.”  

        Marcos: Then, tell all them to go home because we are going to shell Crame. Tell them to disperse so that they won’t get hurt. We are sending in tanks, mortars and artillery. So be sure to disperse them.” ………………….Lim continued: ”

        While I was waiting, into the Lagman Antique Shop, strode BUTCH AQUINO.. . .

        Butch, “Are you going to disperse us?”
        “No”, replied Lim. But, you, Cardinal Sin and rebels should talk to Pres. Marcos and see if the matter can be settled peacefully.” 

        “I promised” Butch said. “Gentleman’s agreement.” Usapang Lalaki” agree Lim, rising to shake hands with Butch..

        Now, do you think people will go to EDSA along with Butch and ATOM, without the call of Cardinal Sin?

        History will decide if what you said is correct. Nick Joaquin was gone with the Lord. Maybe, we could ask Butch, if what you were saying is true. I will try.

    • isidro c. valencia

      Talagang kulang nga ang pag iisip mo. Hinde na kailingan pang timbangin.

      This is the historical account of EDSA Revolt:”At about 6:30pm on Feb. 22, Enrile and Ramos held a press conference at Camp Aguinaldo, announcing their resignation and withdrawal of support from the Marcos government. Marcos called on Enrile and Ramos to “stop this childish stupidity.

      “Around 9pm.over Radio Veritas, Cardinal Sin exhorted Filipinos to come to the aid of the barricated soldiers by going to EDSA and giving support, food and other supplies to rebel soldiers.People heed the call. An estimated one million people filled EDSA from Ortigas Ave. all the way to Cubao.. . .

      ” excerpt from The Philippine Catholic Veritas, I am the present Managing Editor.

      You can also read other books about EDSA Revolution so that history will tell you the truth.

      Now, let us widen our imagination. What if Cardinal Sin did not call the people? This is a hypothetical question and my answer is hypothetical, too. “I doubt, the people will go because they were cynical against Enrile et al, even Vatican, too. .

      It was Cory, who was the most favored and back up by the Catholic Church. Now, P-Noy is turning his back against the value of his mother by supporting RH.

  • Platypus09

    I am not sure of RH bill itself could curb or REDUCE Filipino women getting pregnant. 

    That is still their prerogative of they want one or ten kids in their whole lives. 

    They need to be educated though the pros and cons of having too many babies. 

    For one thing, these women need jobs. Once they work, thinking of getting pregnant is no where in sight especially if they have to imagine raising four or seven kids properly with good education and so forth.

    They are getting pregnant since they have nothing else to think about, just being at home, have babies and raise them.  

    “Education” and “job” might work better than fighting for these contraception (RH Bill) or whatever. 

    With jobs, they can contribute to our nation with taxes at the same time.

    • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

       Education is important for sure but nothing is as important than the ability to do, unrestricted by religious hocus-pocus.

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    Catholicism is based on coercion and deceit.  Expect no less on RH.

  • cantonese

    UH ! You just woke up our Noynoying president and he will be so upset with you sir. Remember that you’re in line to be kick out of your chair in the senate sir. Don’t rush it.

  • kayanatwo

    30nov2012

    nobody asked me, but…..why my fellow juan dela cruz and i would give the time to even listen to j.p.enrile’s assessment for what he thought is good for our country?  j.p.enrile screwed and back stabbed “us” and the whole motherland so many times since he became a “trapos” with physical ability of a chameleon to change colors to save his own hide.

    j.p.enrile’s has become a symbol of what a nouveau political dynasty would be like and what (i)t could do to our country.

    this is the same j.p. enrile, the architect of martial law and marcos’ loyal handymen that helped to create many of our failed and dysfunctional govt.officials and departments.

  • Jim De Garman

    lolo Enrile.. Edsa people power couldn’t use to translate as a power of catholic votes for RH Bill..mga pinoys ngayon ay matalino at kilala ang mga pulitikong may pakinabang at nagbibigay halaga sa kapakanan ng filipino, di na kailangan takutin ang pulitiko sa boto ng katoliko..give a fair play either you’re pro RH Bill or not..catholic vote is nothing who are this bishops to hold our votes.

  • anu12345

     Asked why he was proposing amendments when he was against the measure,
    Enrile said: “Just to show them that we are not delaying it and we want
    to refine it.”

    Illogical and below the belt.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    Nice try Enrile. Don’t compare Edsa Rev to that of futuristic robes in protest against RH Bill. During Edsa time, the situation was very riped. It only needs catalyst to which the late cardinal provided it.  The people back then are one against the ruling regime.  But this time it is different.  As surveys have shown more people backed RH Bill in a country of 90% Catholics. If there’s going to be a rally, the people in robes would just force the students in all the catholic schools to particpate against the latter’s will. It may produce the numbers but way below the credibility whose voice was really heard. 

  • renedr

    I’m not against the RH bill because it’s anti Catholic. I’m against it because my conceit leads me to suspect the proponents are being somewhat deceitful. They are simply copying the euphemisms of the UN and the NGOs that have learned to use slick marketing techniques to promote their goals. Nothing wrong with that when the goals are good, and I don’t have any bad things to say about the UNFPA, but when we are trying to understand the root of an issue, I wish our lawmakers would speak clear and simple English or Filipino and not hide behind euphemisms.

    Enrile, who is not my favorite senator, said it well. The RH bill is a bill designed to reduce population, and is not primarily designed to improve reproductive health. Using pure semantics, reproductive health implies a healthy reproduction system, which logically leads to enhancing the ability to procreate more efficiently. So an RH bill should lead to population growth! (Japan needs an RH Bill). Now if RH bill proponents actually intend that the use of condoms will reduce the spread of venereal diseases and HIV and therefore improve the health of an afflicted sector, then they should call the bill ” An Act to Reduce Venereal Disease Through the Free Distribution of Condoms”. 

    If our lawmakers want to curb the population, then by all means let them write an “Act to Control Population Growth”. And then let’s argue about the benefits of population control. This of course is even more likely to trigger the massive response from the church predicted by Enrile. 

    So does this mean that population control proponents need to lie to get what they want?

    • tadasolo

      you have a misplaced euphemisms in your rhetoric against the Bill. What the bill’s intent is to help poor people especially Filipino women who cannot help themselves and do not have the means to take care of their family and support them as decent human beings instead of living in subhuman conditions. Your failure to see these human suffering is hypocrisy in the highest order. This BILL is not for you nor Mr Enrile, nor the  so call dogmatic Christian soldiers but to the poor of women of the Philippines. LET ME THEM LIVE FREE by empowerment through this BILL and still can reject it based on their religious belief including church influence.

      PLEASE DO NOT DISTRACT US with your arguments about conspiracy theories from UN and other NGO nor reducing venereal disease. What this BILL again is have the poor people the capacity to used responsible parenthood just like the rich catholic children and parents of the Philippines who happened to and can afford to go to catholic schools.

      • abner

         ang kailangan po ng mahihirap ay makapag aral ng maayos para makita nila ng mahusay kung ano ang kahihinatnan ng kanilang disisyon. kung sasabihin mo na okay lang ang makipag sex basta me condom eh lalo lang na  inilalagay mo sila sa malaking pagkakataon na magkaroon ng anak…ang maaalala lang po nila ay ang makipagsex dahil masarap at balewala ang condom libre man ito dahil nga sa  hindi sila nakapag aral ng wasto…….dapat sa halip na ituon ang budget na bilyon bilyon para sa pamimigay ng condom eh ilalaan na lang po sa mga insentibo upang lalong pag ibayuhin ng mag aaral ang kanyang pag-aaral….

      • renedr

        The problem with you Mr. Tadasolo, just like many who engage in these debates,  you are more of a zealot than the worst religious fanatic. You immediately brand anyone who you think opposes you as insensitive to human suffering and a hypocrite. 

        I would in fact support an “Act to Control the Population”. But not one that pretends to be something else and then enacts rules that are not well tuned to achieving a desired effect without studying carefully for worse side effects. 

        How can you possibly properly debate a population control law if you won’t even call it a population control law? At least the Anti-Sin Tax law is clear and the debate is focused on the exact penalties to be extracted from the producers of Alcohol and Tobacco (PHP20B vs 30B vs 40B vs 60B). If you want to debate a population control law, let’s debate the the specific mechanisms, their expected effect on population reduction, the macro-economic effects and the social effects. Let’s leave religion out of it.  

        When I was a small child, I was taught a simple lesson in ethics: if you can’t do something in front of your parents, then you shouldn’t do it.

        So if you can’t pass a population control bill while calling it a population control bill, and thus have to resort to the euphemism of calling it a RH Bill, then don’t do it. I find the “means” offensive and I would rather not have the “end” if achieved through an offensive means. Otherwise, what for is democracy? Let’s just follow the PRC and impose a one child policy and achieve spectacular economic gains. Why not?

  • nes911

    Another lousy argument from another lousy man. Enrile is passe’ and off-tangent with his remark.

  • mangtom

    Platypus09: better read your post before posting it. You are out of your mind if you think Ramos would pray the rosary. He is Protestant and we Protestants don’t give a crap to the rosary.

  • mangtom

    We have to understand why Enrile is a puppet of these masturbishops: his wife was a high Filipino officer in the Vatican. Malaking utang na loob niyan sa mga masturbishops. We understand where you are coming from, unggoy Enrile.

  • blainz

    A majority of Filipinos support the RH Bill, and Catholics themselves have used or are using contraceptives.

    If Enrile wants Filipinos to be further disenchanted with the Catholic Church, then by all means speak on their behalf. Go ahead, dear senator, and sound the clarion call again for all the anti-RH to throng EDSA. You already did last August 4, when you, the church, along with Sotto, Honasan, and Gloria allies mustered a pathetic 7,000 out of an expected 50,000.

    And keep reminding the silent majority not to vote for your son. One less dynastic trapo to worry about.

    • abner

       iboboto ko po si JACK…hehe

    • ARIKUTIK

      How did you know that the silent majority supports RH bill when they are silent as claimed. What a real dumb blonde. Now here is the description of silent majority = Silent means no opinion at all as in like a leaf blown by the wind carried to any direction wether down below right in between or smack on the lips.There is no such thing as silent majority but only people who goes along with fashion of the moment with out any guiding principles.

      • blainz

        “Silent majority” refers to people who do not express their opinion publicly, it does not imply people who have no opinion. Learn your English idioms first before calling anyone dumb, as it betrays your own imbecility.

      • ARIKUTIK

        Silent means Silent as in voiceless or one who can not decide with out the others to decide for them. Only dumbs thinks that silence has a voice. They are branded as “Kuyog” like one who can only thread on fashion but can not invent its own style. Imbecile what ever is better than just a donk follower of obsolete wear down style. There is no such thing as silent majority but only fierce warriors to conquer. RH bill real battle will be fought on its implementation and it will be a long unforgiving war for the RH opponents are principled by nature commandered by the most powerfull of all. Vote now and let the true battle begin. PNoy is the head of RH bill.

      • blainz

        “Learn your English idioms first before calling anyone dumb.”

        idioms_yourdictionary_com/silent-majority

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5TQQYPGVHXCQLU4BRQR4FVBNA ramone

    Indeed the Catholic hierarchy can use its machinery and be a force to reckon with if it is one with the people. EDSA I is a good example. Another example was the effort to thwart CHACHA during the time of Ramos. But the RH issue is different. This time, the Catholic hierarchy is not one with the wishes of the people. History also shows that the Catholic church cannot impose its will if it is not one with the people. A good example is the Rizal bill in the late 1950s. In the case of RH, the Church will find it difficult to resist an idea whose time has come.

  • CheapJ

    Just head to the nursing home Mr. Enrile. I can’t blame you as you need the Catholic  church to pray for all your sins, malapit ka nang kunin ni Satanas. Dapat magsisi ka na sa mga kasalanan mo sa bayan.

    • est

      true

    • abner

       baka po mauna pa kau..ingat ingat lang.

  • gusm

    The bishops were not elected to represent us in government so I don’t really care as to what they have to say about the RH bill. We are a representative democracy and the well of the people is supposed to be heard by our representatives (Senate and Congress) but this bill is being obstructed by people like Enrile and Sotto who are acting more like bishops than senators. The vast majority of the people of this country are in favor of this bill but apparently that does not mean anything to our representatives who are more interested in promoting their own personal belief and agenda. The arguments in favor of this bill are overwhelming. This bill is 20 years too late and it has been debated for the last 14 years. Why do we elect backward-thinking people to represent us? How can this country progress and move forward toward a better future with these kinds of people representing us?

    • dkgboy

       I think the oppositon of Enrile and Sotto re the RH bill is more of a political move rather than their personal belief.If they can camp with the anti RH voters,that will translate to 25% of the electoral votes which is an insurance to be in the magic 12.Most senatorial winners in past election did not even get 20% of the votes,and of course JPE is campaigning for his son and Sotto for his time when due.If they go along with the pro RH they will lag behind the more popular candidates and will not be sure if they will be in the magic 12.

      • abner

         si JACK Enrile na lang po at sotto ang iboto natin. dalawa lang kung pwede para maka sigurado po sila na papasok..at mga ati-Rhbill na din na tatakbo…:)

  • mabyrik

    This analogy of enrile of comparing RH with Edsa is an irony of things to come.

    In EDSA, the millions of catholics heeded Sin, not only in spirit but also physically because they were sick and tired of the corruption that was happening right before their eyes. Saving enrile and ramos by people power was the best option left at that time to avoid bloodshed and to seek changes. It worked in favor of enrile and ramos because the people willed it.

    In RH, it will be the other way around. The people are sick and tired of appalling poverty and the difficulty of feeding too many mouths, specially for families living in the poorest areas of the metropolis.This time, the Enriles, escaleras, and bishops will be in for a rude awakening.  

    If you play it by ears, you will know that the people will turn away from what these priests are saying in regards to RH. Every time bishops speak ills about RH, they sneered. Go to social media, ask the the regular juans and pedros in the street and you can hear roaring disapproval of what the bishops are saying against RH. Because they want it and they want it NOW.

    Enrile is still in denial. the bishops are lying to de-moni-ze the RH supporters. 

    Every time a catholic speaks for RH, the antis accused him of being a not-true believer as if being an anti-RH is the only ticket to heaven.

    Time to act as a true human being. Save the Filipinos. Support RH. Ignore these bishops for their only objective in opposing RH is because they are afraid to know that they are now irrelevant. It will be the most embarrassing stand of the church if RH is passed.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

       RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and discriminatory people)

      JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

      • jinx

         Haha, sige tuloy ka lang kasinungalingan mo.

    • abner

       naglakad po ako at nagtanung sa kalsada na abutan ko nga ang mga anti rh sa edsa..napakarami po nila..eh rally pala nila un eh  puno ng anti RHBill hehe.

  • josefe38

    I for one believes in the catholic teachings and advocacies. Pag balikan tanaw natin ang kasaysayan ng Catholic church, sa buong mundo ito’y dumanas at dumaan na sa iba’t ibang pakikibaka at ito’y napagtagumpayan. 

    Subukan nyo muli ang lakas ng Catholic church sa pamamagitan ng RH Bill na yan,  ituloy nyo at magkasubukan baka nga naman wala ng kamandag ang simbahan. Abangan.

  • just_anotherperson

    Mabuhay ka Senator Enrile.

    Kung totoo na walang epekto ang boto ng totoong katoliko sa eleksyon, hindi na dapat ito pinag-uusapan.

    Dream on Pro-RH politicians. Hanggang hundreds lang ang kayang hakutin ng Pro-RH.  May bayad pa. 

  • Hfxwst

    There will be no freedom of religion in the Philippines until there is freedom from it.   We remain a backward country, and even Catholic’s lack faith in their God so they seek to force their beliefs through legislation.

  • Luthmar

    Sen. Enrile, true with the help of Cardinal Sin people heeded to his call torise up against the tyranny of the Marcos regime and other crimes against the people.  As a result, Marcos was brought down, exiled to Hawaii.  RH Bill is for the protection of the family.  They are given the choice of how many kids they can afford.  Ours is a runaway population that needs to be controlled.  Majority of population is poor.  The poor people are the ones with isang damakmak na anak.  Based on the latest census a big percentage of the people, particularly the women, are for the RH bill.   There is no tyranny in the RH Bill.

    • Hfxwst

      If you are a non Catholic, this entire discussion is infuriating. Is this country for everyone?  Or just for Catholics who feel the need to impose Catholic Law?  This is still the Dark Ages in the Philippines.

      Lew Churches make rules for their congregations – let government make rules for everyone.

  • marionics

    ika nga ng isang commentor dito-

    Tanga! wary-in mo mukha mong hukluban ka. Bobo!

    hahaha

    • luzviminda88

      BWA HA HA HA. NANDITO NA NAMAN ANG MGA KAMPON KO. SIGE BANATAN ANG MGA KUMAKALABAN SA ATIN. IPAGLABAN ANG KASAMAAN. PATAYIN ANG MGA PUNLA AT BAKA MAGING SANTO PA ANG MGA YAN. MAY PREMYO KAYO DITO SA IMPIYERNO NA MALAMIG NA LUNGGA MGA KAMPON KO. SIGE PA BANAT. BWA HA HA HA

      • florence457

        As a believer, the crux of the issue on the rh bill is pegged on defiance of the commandments of God on the sixth day of creation when he said go ye multiply and fill the earth. this is the very core of this subject matter that every christian must ponder the ninth time before he or she takes side. the issue isn’t religion, isn’t the catholic church but the soul of the christian who opposes the God’s words.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        SA TAWA AT NGISI PALANG CARDINAL TAGLE TALIBAN TERRORIST”’

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      CARDINAL TAGLE SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    In the case of Mr. Sen. Enrile, one thing is sure—-there’s a Catholic mote. In his eye.

    • divictes

      Maybe the bishops promised him 72 virgins… he he he

  • divictes

    Cardinal Sin is dead. Who’s going to do the calling now?

    • calixto909

      GOD COZ THE RH BILL DEFIES HIS VERY WORDS. GO YE MULTIPLY AND FILL THE EARTH

      • florence457

        As a believer, the crux of the issue on the rh bill is pegged on defiance of the commandments of God on the sixth day of creation when he said go ye multiply and fill the earth. this is the very core of this subject matter that every christian must ponder the ninth time before he or she takes side. the issue isn’t religion, isn’t the catholic church but the soul of the christian who opposes the God’s words.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

      sino pa ? di si enrile o sotto !!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Cardinal Sin was only part of a instant event. Hence, Enrile is using a wrong example. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Enrile is always where he finds it convenient and favorable to his vested interest. Check his political history since Marcos time.

  • luzviminda88

    BWA HA HA HA. NANDITO NA NAMAN ANG MGA KAMPON KO. SIGE BANATAN ANG MGA KUMAKALABAN SA ATIN. IPAGLABAN ANG KASAMAAN. PATAYIN ANG MGA PUNLA AT BAKA MAGING SANTO PA ANG MGA YAN. MAY PREMYO KAYO DITO SA IMPIYERNO NA MALAMIG NA LUNGGA MGA KAMPON KO. SIGE PA BANAT. BWA HA HA HA

    • florence457

      As a believer, the crux of the issue on the rh bill is pegged on defiance of the commandments of God on the sixth day of creation when he said go ye multiply and fill the earth. this is the very core of this subject matter that every christian must ponder the ninth time before he or she takes side. the issue isn’t religion, isn’t the catholic church but the soul of the christian who opposes the God’s words.

      • boyod

        noon yun na sinabi kay father abraham kasi kunti pa ang tao noon, bugok

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      KILALA KITA IKAW SI CARDINAL TAGLE SA TAWA PALANG NGISI DEMONYO NA”’

  • ARIKUTIK

    The asessment of Sen. Enrile is too shallow. RH bill will not end after the vote. The real battle will begin on its implementation. The contraceptive pills targeting the poor is actually a genocide againts the poor perpetuated by the rich and mighty. This will blow into battle between the poor masses and the powefull rich. Vote now, let the battle begin.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEI6SHG7MUONC75TPXZRCMQIII Dominic

      I would not support such bill who have provision for abortion.

      • ARIKUTIK

        RH bill once enacted into law will force everyone to support it. No one will be allowed to say a word againts RH or else jail cell awaits. RH bill is not freedom but deprives the citizens to speak or act for humankind morals.

      • wakats

        where did you get such provisions – maybe supplied by sotto?

      • panhase

         Do you feel well?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDJC4KMFHUSV6Z6HW5YEWZSL4I yvonne

     RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD aka REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL: FOR TAGALOGS ONLY!!! (to exterminate the population of selfish, greedy, corrupt and discriminatory people)

    JUST SPARE THE BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD AND FAITHFUL PEOPLE OF THE VISAYAS AND MINDANAO.

    • ARIKUTIK

      No one will be spared by RH bill once enacted into law. Anyone who oppose or shouts againts RH will be jailed according to its provission. All the poor children, attending public school will be forced to memorise the baby killing code of RH as morally right but the private schools of the rich will be spared from baby killing lessons according to its provissions which states that parents can can oppose it as subject in school. Only the private school of rich parents can oppose but the poor parents who’s child is in public school will never be heard. RH bill is cruelty of the powerfull rich to be inflicted to poor masses. NOT A SINGLE POOR WILL BE SPARED. Vote now, let the battle begin. Genocide for genocide.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/Cable1122 Nathaniel Dayspring Summers

        kindly read the provisions of RH bill please. please dont spread lies. liars go to hell as per the catholics.

      • boyod

        kukok ng kukok ka dyan, walang binatbat yung mga sinasabi mo, sino ang nag turo sa iyo yung pare nyo na bakla, pedophile   

      • taga_ilog

        RH bill is genocide? Do you understand the word genocide?
        Here is it: 
        Genocide N ; The systematic killing of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, etc.

        By the way, God has more imaginative ways of decimating the population, in fact read this in the bible:

        Kings 2

        2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
        2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

        And those kids are killed in the name of GOD because they called Elisha bald. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEI6SHG7MUONC75TPXZRCMQIII Dominic

    I go for responsible parenthood but not through abortion.

  • kilabot

    good warning.
    first, it will be rhbill. then it will be same-sex marriage. then man-beast union;
    that’s the agenda for the world; it’s happening right now as you read; europe, us, asia..

    big business exploitation of women and lgbts, that’s what it is;
    greed and perversion know no bounds.
    open your eyes, folks. before you completely lost your sight.

    No to rhbill.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Cable1122 Nathaniel Dayspring Summers

      i applaued your idiotic posting. go feed the 100 million with your ignorance.

    • boyod

      PUNTA KA SA SENADO AT BUMOTO KA DOON ISALI MUNA ANG PARE NYO

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QZZKXPEA67I7HELEIYM35QVYFA Jon

    Always underestimating the opposition…
    Will lead to regret in the end.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

      vote now !!! para makita……………………..

  • simonibarra27

    Mga Damaso ba ang kinatatakutan ng mga Pulpulitiko natin?

  • Rae_E

    You’re out-of-touch Enrile. Edsa l happened because majority of Filipinos got so fed-up w/ the corrupt, unjust & oppressive Marcos regime. On the contrary, in the case of the RH Bill, it’s the CBCP & self-serving trapos like Enrile, Sotto, etc. who are committing injustice & oppressing women & the poorest for depriving them of  services they’ve been clamoring for a long time. Nothing’s more unjust than few extremely powerful & rich men (who never suffered crisis pregnancies, death & poverty) to impose their will/beliefs on everyone. Their stance of being pro-life is simply hypocritical for there is nothing “pro-life” about ignoring the plight of women resorting to abortion & dying daily with their families living in inhuman conditions. You’re wrong Mr. Enrile, this time majority of Filipinos now support the RH bill because we’re fed-up of the constantly meddling CBCP & self-serving  trapos  like you. You’re the blight of this country!

  • spider69

    si JPE ay pakitang religious siya para to clean all his sins to Pilipino people.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

      pakitang tao lang yan…..hindi sa mga salita makikita ang pagka-maka Dyos ng isang tao……

  • hedrianvic

    di ba c senador enrile ang nag popularize sa operation DagDag-bAwAS noon?  kaya natalo ang ama no Koko Pimentel sa senado pero nanalo din sa kanyang protesta? And after spending several million pesos in the process?

    d ba c senador juan ponce enrile din ang promoter sa martial law ni marcos? may pa ambush-ambush pa nga, d ba?

    Ba’t ba sya napaupong senador when he is a cheat and a traitor?

  • $14334231

    your reasoning of “so be it” if your son loses his bid for senator is a hollow one….this is papogi points for the catholic heirarchy to back up your son’s candidacy, pure and simple….

  • Philcruz

    Enrile is at it again. Disgusting. Trying to curry favor for him and his son from the Catholic clergy whenever he needs them. First it was EDSA. Now he needs the Church to help his son get elected. And delaying the vote in the Senate is because the Churchl fears the RH bill may get approved?

  • AnastacioMamaril

    I’m an active Catholic but I don’t believe there is such united Catholic vote or Catholic effort.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

    if enrile is  so sure of the catholic efforts why is he delaying the voting process ? vote now win or loss. there are other pressing problems that needs to be addressed……..

  • GlenMJacob

    Why not put the issue of RH on the ballot and see what the “Catholics” are about.

  • boyod

    Sen Enrile, its not the call of Cardinal Sin of  the faithful that brought marcos down kung hindi ang sukdulang galit ng tao kaya sila nagkaisa. Ngayon the majority calls for the passage of RH Bill, tingnan natin kung may magagawa ba ang mga hudeyonG Pare ay obispong DAMASO sali kana pati si bISOTTO

  • kismaytami

    tandang johnny, more and more Filipinos are using their heads now. Unlike the 80’s when you can easily fool Filipinos by telling them to gather to the streets.

  • iping2sison

    Enrile is the mouthpiece of the Catholic church. Most Catholics, even him and Sotto, practiced family planning, otherwise they sired many children, not only from their legal wives. Both of them are hypocrites. Suggest all approved bills should be decided by the people thru ballots to become laws.

  • Ronald

    Mr Enrile, kahit anong sipsip mo pa sa Catholic church, sa impyerno pa rin punta mo.

    • manny

      wow, how judgmental.  u sure of your own salvation?

      • Ronald

        I do not believe in heaven so it does not matter to me but Mr. Enrile obviously does.

  • Horst Manure

    Lethal injections AKA vaccines will control the population, any thing to do with sex the church has their nose in it, when the church should have as much  say as customers in a Sari store. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    It boils down to the 23 senators who will vote Yes or No to
    the RH bill. Let them decide on their own personal choices. Rarely do we hear
    or see a legislator saying that he or she has examined his or her conscience
    before voting on a bill.

    Examination of conscience is good for the soul. The RH bill is
    a faith and moral issue molded into one. It is so because it is about
    contraception which runs counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ (faith issue)
    and there is an absolute risk of misuse which can complicate the matter of
    control over our youth and unmarried individuals (moral issue). Corollary to
    this is the fallacy of reducing population to generate economic progress which
    is also a moral issue when politicians spread lies instead of truth. It has
    been exposed as a myth already that poverty and hunger is due to overpopulation
    by no less than the UN Secretary General in the milestone celebration of the
    Seven Billion Population Mark last October 2011.

    We should hope that our senators will examine their
    conscience and not skip this step.  If they
    only think about their political future as in next year’s elections for those
    running for reelection, then they are not examining their conscience for the RH
    bill. They are simply concerned about perpetuating themselves in power.

    With due respect to Senate President Enrile, the EDSA People
    Power Revolt had the hand of God into it. 
    I also believe that Cardinal Sin has never claimed credit for it as he
    was merely following the dictates of the Spirit of God who dwelt in those who
    wanted to end the reign of the tyrant Marcos and his family. Hence, it is through
    God we should thank our blessings and graces. It is through God that we are accountable
    for our own individual actions, be it to obey Him or not.  Voting on the RH bill is decision that a
    senator will make hopefully after he or she has examined his or her conscience.

    • Platypus09

      Nice try. You are trying to make us, the actual EDSA heroes, idiots.

      But we know better. You are just of bluffing blahh..

      We know that Catholics and Catholic leaders made the EDSA successful.

      And lots of the ones who were there knew it.

    • jinx

       It boils down to the 23 senators, correct. But if you examine the facts, the senators who keep on delaying the voting process so as to eventually kill it are no other than Enrile and Sotto.  Instead of putting this to a vote, they keep on blabbing anti-RH stance and sometimes release statements that are apocalyptic in nature. Enrile for one warned about massive unemployment and uncared senior citizens. This is ridiculous to say the least.  Sotto has branded the bill as abortive.  Another unfounded and malicious lie designed to fool the citizenry instead of voting for or against it. What are they afraid of?  Or this is just being part of their traditional and Chauvanist culture?  They play gods over the people, the poor couples who opt for smaller families and to the people who don’t share their views especially the non-Catholics.  Even some Catholics for that matter disagreed with these two Stooges.

      In contrast, the most vocal RH bill proponents in Congress are mostly women e.g. Cayetano, Santiago, and Garin.  This is rightly so because they themselves know what is best for mothers in particular and families in general. They are some of our progressive and open-minded thinkers (although Miriam sometimes get too self-centered), and they deserve our trust. Enrile and Sotto represent the hardcore, corrupt and traditional politicians that long have governed our lands that’s why we have poverty and unemployment forever threatening our survival.  I’m sure the RH bill approval can have adverse repercussions to a dominant male ego, that ego of being babaero, kabitero, at wife-batterer. 

  • luzviminda88

    BWA HA HA HA. .  KAYOD PA MGA KAMPON NG KADILIMAN. BANATAN NIYO SINA ENRILE, SOTTO AT MGA KATOLIKO KASI SILA KUMOKONTRA SA RH BILL NATIN. BWA HA HA HA

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      UNGGOYYYYYYYY TUTA NI CARDINAL TAGLE KATOLIBAN TERRORIST”

  • kilabot

    just in.
    rhbill is in response to Who advisory on ph rising hiv/aids cases due to msm anal_ysis;
    that’s why noykapon is calling an urgent meeting with congs;

    i say,
    if lgbt perverts insist on practicing their abnoying lifestyle, let them do so until infected with hiv/aids. that way, it will be self-liquidating. and reduces population too.

    No to rhbill.

    • Platypus09

      Gays can always buy condoms that are available everywhere.

      Why drag the RH bill to the lifestyle of promiscuous Pinoy gays?

      • kilabot

        rhbill and pigays are twins.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

        I think you know there are many gay priests too ?

    • muddygoose

      It’s interesting to note that many anti-RH people are homophobes and anti-women.

  • ruiznelli

    this OLD DOG (Enrile) really wouldn’t die early! natatakot parin kina PADRE DAMASO?? Go to H e L L with them you Askaaalll.

  • batangsulpok

    Habang ang Pilipinas ay halos katoliko at mga panatiko, hindi papasa ang RH bill kaya walang pag-asang umasenso lalo na at lumolobo ng husto ang population, kung sino pa ang mahirap ay siya ang maraming anak.

    • generalproblem

      tumira kana naman. kung siguro masipag kang mag trabaho hindi ka patambay tambay lang uunlad ang pinas. ang masamang ugali nating mga pinoy ay ang pag kupkop ng mga anak na kahit may mga asawa na at anak eh nakasandal pa sa magulang. bakit di natin gayain ang amerika na pagdating ng 18 eh pwede muna palayasin ang anak mo. palayasin nyo sa bahay nyo ang mga anak nyo na matatanda na at may asawa nasa poder nyo pa din. get rid of them..

  • Facile1

    For those of you who overstate the power of the Roman Catholic Church, please note the following:

    1. The Catholic Church is NOT against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is against the use of oral contraceptives in Family Planning and the use of State power to control population growth.

    2. The Catholic Church, unlike Islam, does not advocate the violent overthrow of governments. Therefore, its only recourse is to work within the existing Constitution and the Bill of Rights that may limit the abuse of State power. Not all countries have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. The Philippines is one of the lucky few.

    3. When Marcos set aside the 1936 Constitution, he eliminated all legitimate avenues for non-violent dissent. Marcos was able to promulgate presidential decrees without challenge from anyone — including the Roman Catholic Church. There can be NO Catholic vote if there can be NO ELECTIONS.

    4. Lastly, though one might argue that the Catholic Religious are under the constraint of their vows of obedience to vote according to the wishes of their Superiors, this is definitely FALSE for the Catholic laity.

    Regardless of the position of the Roman Catholic Church on the RH Bill, exposing HEALTHY Filipino women (albeit the “poorest of the poor”) to the UNNECESSARY risks (however small) of oral contraceptives when free, safer and healthier alternatives exist shows CONTEMPT.

    The RH Bill has only contempt for the Filipino woman.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her social status.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her religious convictions.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her constitutional rights.

    BUT most of all, the RH Bill has only contempt for her healthy female body.

    Vote ‘NO’ to this contemptuous — and contemptible — RH bill.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      Another misguided Catholic apologist.  Check the church history.  The Catholic Church has been meddling in state affairs for centuries.  From the Roman Empire to the Philippine’s Spanish colonial time.  Ever since, we see Catholic Parish Church beside every municipal and city hall.  Why?  To take care of the Catholics’ souls?  No.  To interfere in the government state and political affairs.

      • Facile1

        Perhaps you mean “Check ‘world’ history?”

        If you are actually a student of history (which I doubt) and a student of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church (which I also doubt), you would know four very important facts:
        1) The Roman Empire pre-dated the Roman Catholic Church and the former persecuted Christians.
        2) The Roman Catholic Church pre-dated the rise of kings on the European continent and the latter persecuted Catholics.
        3) It has always been the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church beginning with Christ Himself to “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is God’s.” The Roman Catholic Church believed in the separation of Church and State even before the American Founding Fathers incorporated the principle in the first amendment to the American Bill of Rights in 1791.
        4) The government of the Spanish Occupation of the Philippines was a ‘de facto’ theocracy recognized by the Spanish monarchy and later, by the Spanish Republic (1873-1874), then by the monarchy again until the American Occupation beginning in 1899 (after the Treaty of Paris.) There is no separation of Church and State in a theocracy by definition and therefore, the word “meddling” cannot apply.

        Bottom-line, who meddles with whom in the World History of churches and states is always a matter of OPINION, not of FACT.

        As for myself, I passionately believe in the separation of Church and State.
         
        I believe the Church protects me from the abuse of power by the State and vice versa. I believe the church is the only viable power block that can take on the Philippine government. Islam is a case in point.

        If the church and the state were one and the same, I will not be able to expect justice as an individual citizen from either. And again, Islam here is a case in point.

      • panhase

        I think Noel meant “church history” and not “world history”, because the church history is only a very small part of the world history and in this topic it fits much better. But that´s just aside.
        You are stating that it has always been the teaching of the church to “render unto Cesar what is Cesar´s …”  This is just not true. After Christianity became state religion under Theodosius I. the permanent struggle in the empire began as who has the real power, the clergy or the state? One of the commonly known examples is Canossa with Emperor Henri IV. and Pope Gregor VII. And throughout the middle ages Cardinals and Bishops have been wielding worldly powers like princes. They had their own armies to fight wars, they controlled the judiciary, they collected taxes. There was no simply separation of Church and State. The idea to separate both came much later, the reason for that is a matter of different interpretations.

      • Facile1

        I’m actual unclear as to what EXACTLY is your point.

        I make a distinction between “church history” and “world history” because the victor always has an axe to grind. To get a balanced view, I read the history of the victorious and the history of the defeated. BTW, church history is hardly “a very small part of world history”, when one considers that all modern historians use the Gregorian Calendar to mark time tables when writing and reading history. But that’s just an aside.

        The TEACHING of the Roman Catholic Church is more important to the PRACTICE of Catholicism than the HISTORY of the Roman Catholic Church. Otherwise, Catholics would be taught the history of the Catholic Church rather than its catechism.

        The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church is NOT a function of its history. The Philippines and the US may desire to learn from history (and well they should). BUT the Roman Catholic Church does not.

        The teaching of the Roman Catholic Church is a FIXED point, not subject to human evolution or progress.

        So I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how examples of particular failures by specific historical figures render UNTRUE Catholic teaching. Who cares if Emperor Constantine ended the persecution of Christians and Theodosius I established Christianity as the state religion (setting aside for a moment that these men are not even considered members of the clergy)?

        Those historical facts cannot change Catholic Teaching (as encapsulated in the Nicene Creed).

        The FACT OF THE MATTER IS the Church has endured and will continue to endure in spite of the state; in spite of saints and sinners; in spite of temporal power or the lack of it.  The Roman Catholic Church will endure because the CHURCH does NOT depend on its humanity, but entirely on the mercy of GOD.

      • GlenMJacob

        Did you intentionally omitted the inquisition, crusades, pedophelia, killing of elephants for images, etc.

      • Facile1

        No. These topics are outside the scope of your comment (and still are.)

      • GlenMJacob

        Then you have limited knowledge of history either of the world or church. You have mention in one of your thread that the teachings of the RCC is “fixed”? Let me remind you of the Vatican 2. The church has to evolve to survive. Recently the pope himself wrote in his book that he agreed with what science has been saying all along that Christ was not born in December. Now going back to the topic of separation of the church and state. You have to re-read your history and read not just one or two books to get the picture of the church. The RCC should be humble, they should teach both side of the coin of the church. Indeed, in the beginning they are persecuted but they have not learned about that, they themselves persecuted, murdered and burned people.

      • Facile1

        You completely misunderstand the mission of the Roman Catholic Church. Their mission is “to spread the Good News — that Christ is risen.” Their mission is to evangelize (but NOT to convert.) That history shows that MANY in the Church misunderstood and continue to misunderstand the Church’s mission is (frankly) beside the point. Even if every member, every priest, every Catholic IS a sinner, it will NOT matter to the Church’s mission. ONLY the mission matters. Would it be easier to complete the mission if every Catholic was a SAINT? YEAH. But we’re not. And it is what it is.

        If you are in need of an apology from the Roman Catholic Church, there are many that is published. I believe one can easily find these if one tries in the Vatican archives (on the web). If you are in need of reparations, “Good Luck” on that.

      • GlenMJacob

        Perhaps what you are trying to say all along is that the teachings of Christ is “fixed” not of the RCC. There is the saying ” the song is good but the singers are bad”. I hope you got my point.

      • Facile1

        The teachings of Christ is “fixed”. The Roman Catholic Church’s mission to spread the Good News is also “fixed”.

        BUT I agree. It doesn’t sound good. This can be because “the singers are bad” or perhaps I’m tone-deaf. But who’s to tell?

        We’ve reached the end of this discussion. Have a good day.

    • generalproblem

      i agree with this bill as long as na mga lalaki ang iinom ng pills at kakapunin. too much pahirap sa mga babae samantalang yung mga lalaki pakadyot kadyot lang walang pakialam kung may suot syang condom importanete makaraos. di naman mabubuntis ang babae kung walang gumagalaw na lalake now onder maraming babae napatol na sa tomboy dahil safe sila sa buntis dun

    • mad_as_Hamlet

      Pardon me, but I think that, just as nobody should be more popish than the Pope, nobody should be more womanish than a woman.  Isn’t it a fact that many women’s rights’ groups composed of healthy, brainy and excellent members of the same gender are in favor of the RH Bill?  Do you therefore consider them guilty of promoting self-contempt?

      • Facile1

        It should not be surprising that many women are filled with self-loathing.

        When widow-burning has been practiced in India since the 4th BC …
        When adulteresses are still being stoned to death from the time of Christ until now under the Muslim Sharia Law …
        When there is a ‘glass ceiling’ to women’s career paths in developed countries in Europe and the US …

        When all over the world, women’s female bodies are being treated like the enemy by Population Control advocates JUST BECAUSE her body can carry a pregnancy to term (as it is designed to do) …

        Why should it surprise anyone (especially you whom I’ve always found maddeningly logical) that many women (and young girls) are filled with self-loathing?

      • Facile1

        mad_as_Hamlet wrote, in reply to Facile1: “Pardon me, but I think that, just as nobody should be more popish than the Pope, nobody should be more womanish than a woman.”

        Just so we’re clear on this point, I am a woman.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    “What brought about Edsa”

    people came no matter who called.

    it was there, and it happened.

    now the people wants the RH Bill, perhaps the RCC ought to listen.

    • JasminCubacub

      Why not conduct a referendum na lang on the RH Bill para sigurado ano talaga choice ng tao’ng bayan!

      • generalproblem

        correct. those senator znd conressman voted for the rh bill are seeing money already.. corruption is the driving force of this bill

  • wakats

    The call of the benevolent Cardinal Sin among the faithfuls to go to EDSA in February, 1986, was to protect the rebels from the wrath of the marcos army,  and helped dethroned the hated marcos regime. It is not comparable to the issue today on the call of the bishops for support of politicians against the RH bill with feint threat of catholic backlash if they do otherwise.

    Apo johhny is using all dilatory tactics to prevent the voting on the controversial bill because he is sure it’ll be approved by the senate.  As many observers say, the bill is being held hostage by a single senator against the overwhelming majority of the populace who favor the bill, many of them catholic devotees.

    It is not fair, manong johhny, it is plain dictatorship on your part.

    Don’t vote for jackie, jv, binay, gringo, maceda, zubiri, mitos, loren, chiz…

     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

      The Catholic Church and Cardinal Sin would not have succeeded if Marcos followed then Gen. Ver’s suggestion to attack the people at Edsa and Camp Aguinaldo.  Many would have been killed like we witness in the Middle East today as well as the famous Tian An Men massacre in China.  Enrile would have been dead today.  For all the tough image and cruelty Marcos was portrayed, he showed he got a soft heart after all.

      • panhase

         I think Marcos followed the advice (warning) of the US administration to avoid bloodshed.  The US didn´t need that in their sphere of influence at that time.
        It was not a soft heart.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Why did Enrile not also say that it was also Cardinal Sin who called the Catholics to oust Erap?  I agree…be wary of Catholic effort to conspire with the evil.

    • abner

       sinong erap??? ung nakulong sa pagnanakaw daw ba???

  • Facile1

    The advocates of the RH Bill make the unspoken assumption that the government has the RIGHT to control population growth.

    The government may have the POWER to control population growth — through guns, prisons and taxes — but do they have the RIGHT?

    Population growth becomes a problem when corrupt governments believe in enriching themselves.

    Population growth becomes a problem when candidates for public office have to buy votes to win an election.

    Population growth becomes a problem when public servants have to answer to the people.

    The ruling elite has a vested interest in keeping the Filipino people poor, ignorant and corrupt — especially in a democratic form of government. If one can keep a citizen poor, he will sell his vote. If one can keep a citizen ignorant, he won’t fight for his rights. And if one can corrupt a citizen (who is also a public servant), he can make you very rich.

    BUT when there are just more of the POOR and the IGNORANT than there are of the CORRUPT, population growth becomes a problem.

    Someone will profit from the passage of the RH Bill. But let us not pretend it will be the Filipino people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYYFBINDMTZHM6TDHPB667452M agustin

       Can you explain the relationship between Population growth becomes a problem and the 1.corrupt gov’t, 2.buying of votes and 3.public servants? I would like to change my stand if you can explain well. thank you.

      • Facile1

        I’m sorry I cannot help you. But I suspect your English and math skills are beyond my ability to remedy. I hope you find what you need. Good Luck.

    • huseng_batute

       Can you please be specific on who will profit from the passage of the RH bill?

      And do you know who is taking advantage of the widespread poverty and less-educated masses?

      • Facile1

        Why do you need the information?

        Do you plan to go out and shoot anyone?

        And ask yourself the question, can your vote be bought if you were poor and less-educated?

      • huseng_batute

         I have no intention of shooting anyone.  I’m here to learn.  I just want to understand why you are against it. 

        So who is it that’s going to profit from the RH Bill?

      • Facile1

        OBVIOUSLY, whoever is going to get a cut from the Php 2.5 BILLION FHRP appropriations will profit.

        Refer to the Philippine Daily Inquirer article entitled: “No need for RH bill—Sotto”By Cathy C. Yamsuan, November 30th, 2012.

        Do cross-reference the paragraph entitled “P2.5B on family health” to the section on Appropriations (Sec 28) of the RH Bill 2011 because I have no intention of answering any more of your irrelevant questions nor of continuing with this discussion.

      • huseng_batute

        The reason why you are posting your opinion about the RH Bill is to persuade others to join your cause, right? 

        You’re not going to achieve that by just saying you are against it.  You have to state the reason why.

        Here I am, not challenging your belief.  Just trying to understand it.  My questions are meant only to expound your statements, how can they be irrelevant?

        Now, back to the bill, Section 28 says “Prohibited Acts”, so that must not be it.  You must be referring to Section 30:

        “Sec. 30 Appropriations
        The amounts appropriated in the current annual
        General Appropriations Act (GAA) for Family Health and Responsible
        Parenting under the DOH and POPCOM shall be allocated and utilized for
        the initial implementation of this Act. Such additional sums necessary
        to implement this Act; provide for the upgrading of facilities necessary
        to meet Basic Emergency Obstetric Care and Comprehensive Emergency
        Obstetric Care standards; train and deploy skilled health providers;
        procure family planning supplies and commodities as provided in Sec. 6;
        and implement other reproductive health services, shall be included in
        the subsequent GAA.”

        So based on the above text, my question still stands.  Who is going to unjustly profit from the RH Bill that the proposed law should not be passed?

      • Facile1

        You don’t know how to read apparently.

      • huseng_batute

        Then say it in black and white.  Who are those you are saying that will profit from the RH Bill?

      • Facile1

        A person who makes no effort to read cannot be helped.

      • huseng_batute

         And he pressed the escape button.

  • Jack Phalaphitac

    Perplexing. Lest the senator forgot, we were in EDSA because we hated Marcos and we wanted him to go. Now, don’t tell us about this bishops and priests and their dogs like you marching in EDSA. We will probably see a pathetic spectacle. They’ve attempted it before. They were expecting the presence of a million pro-RH souls, but sadly, heaven didn’t allow them. That said a lot where heaven’s side is.  There is no Catholic vote, the Catholic effort Enrile is talking about is the effort to impose their will and to insist upon us their dogmatic and out-dated beliefs. Some intellectually capable lawmakers should tell them point blank: Pay your taxes and then let’s talk.  Simple and fair.  

    • huseng_batute

      You probably mean anti-RH.

  • disqusted0fu

    why has this bill become a battle of politics vs. religion?!  religion, is headed by priests. politics, is headed by president Aquino. i think i know what side to choose if it comes down to it. it could be like choosing between heaven and hell. the choice is obvious.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T42Q37DX5BRWJ5NRYTBC2DXUAU Jols – batman Robin

    ay sus maniwala kayo kay tatang…..wala na kc tong pakialam c tatang bulate n lang ang d pumerma d2……..bumabawi lng yan sa kanyang mga kasalanan…….go pro RH Bill…

  • huseng_batute

    Tatang, you cannot equate Marcos to the RH Bill.

    • maharlika27

      RH Bill is more than Marcos if you only know..

      • huseng_batute

        I know both. 

        How can the RH Bill be more than Marcos?

  • mekeni62

    The event that was EDSA 1 was the fruit of the long time abuse of an evil dictator. Every thinking Filipino wanted out of its clutches. Daily protest rallies were held,Cardinal Sin’s call for everyone to join was an answer from calls of help from Ramos,Enrile and the gang because they were going to be killed by Marcos’ henchmen plus the plan to install Cory was already bearing ground. The RH Bill is all the way a different  issue. The pulpit’ s call will never get the same response. Our country is 80% Catholic but not so many are practicing. Tough call…

  • tekateka

    ayan ang dakilang TRAPO!

  • El_Gran_Capitan

    But enrile failed to mention there is no Cardinal Sin anymore that people will believe. With the recent brouhaha involving the bishops during GMA time such as the PAJERO Bishops, who will believe in them. Quite frankly, the late CARDINAL SIN IS HEAD AND SHOULDER ABOVE THE CURRENT CROPS OF BISHOPS AND CARDINAL. THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN COMPARE APPLE AND ROTTEN ORANGE

    • TheGreatLieofChina2012

      ibig sabihin kasi nila instead na apple ang kakainin nila orange nalang kasi mababawasan sila ng collection sa Binyag at Kumpil isipin mo magpa binyag ka lang may bayad na tapos kung gaano kadami ang ninong may mga sobre pa yan na ibibigay ang church tuusin natin Ilan ang ninong + magkano ang bayad sa binyag + kumpil at ilang bata ang isinilang sa isang araw sa pinas at ilang ang nagpa binyag at nagpa kumpil magkano lahat ng collection sa buong taon? ganyan kalaki ang mawawala sa church kapag napatupad sa ang RH bill sila ang apektado at hindi ang gobyerno…kapag di napatupad ang RH bill apekdado ang govyerno at wala itong epecto sa catholic church 

      • El_Gran_Capitan

        Galing ng naisip mo ayos yan kung bakit tutol sila sa RH Bill, as far as enrile is concern, he is senile. Si sotto, does he even exist in real world, may he is in fantasy land like enteng kabisote

  • Edward Castro

    makibaka, wag matakot!  the catholic church does not hold the keys to heaven and hell, do don’t be afraid.. sila nga ang pangunahin balakid kaya di umaasenso ang pinas e..

    • TheGreatLieofChina2012

      Catholic church mawawalan sila ng kita  sa binyag, kumpil ng mga bata kung saan ay may bayad kung mipapasa ang RH bill milyon ang batang mababawas sa Pilipinas at milyon din ang mawawala sa colection nila sa binyag at kumpil ng mga bata..

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    The RH Bill is Wrong on two counts:

    1.  Its sweeping and irrational prohibition of abortion.
    2.  Its not compelling the Roman Church to partly fund family planning.

    Amend the RH Bill accordingly to correct these wrongs and then pass it!

    If not possible, because in this country superstition, bigotry, fear, and ignorance are favored and honored more than science and reason, just pass it as is! In the meantime.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EP6GZIMVLAHETQ6GNP5O2P45GE Dominic

    The way Enrile talk about EDSA, para bang tahasan nyang sinasabi na WALA TALAGANG UTAK mga Pilipino at kinailangan pa ang isang Cardinal Sin para makawala sa diktadorya. While Cardinal Sin’s role in the revolution was certainly laudable, he was just one part of it. THe people have seen and felt what life was under dictatorship. It could have taken a Cardinal of the RCC or a minister of INC or a bishop of any other denomination or just a plain martyr to start the fire. EDSA was not authored by Cardinal Sin or by the Catholic clergy that he represents. Rather, by the people’s collective experiences.

    And now, Enrile is telling everybody to be very afraid of the Catholic bishops (not the Catholic Church with its many open-minded laity). Another attempt to degrade the people’s intellect. Sobrang pambabastos na yan. May UTAK ang mga pinoy. We don’t need bishops or Enrile himself to tell us what is good and what is not. 

    As for the RH issue. Why not let the people decide on it? Without them threatened by religious blackmail. All facts and non-facts (from both sides) had been laid on the table, then let it come to closure. I maintain, may kakayahang mag-isip ang mga Pilipino, wag hayaang bastusin ng mga politikong baluktot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    By now, Sen. Pres. Enrile should be wise enough to know that not only Catholics but people from every walk of life were there because of their common disgust on the martial law, where Enrile was the main proponent and administrator.

    Sen. Enrile should also know that he was a main contributor to the destruction of his province’s resources to the detriment of its residents. Now, the only chance remaining for him to help alleviate poverty is being deprived from him by his blind obedience to the RC church. 

    • Marcial72

       Kahit ang mga Heswitang kaalyado ni Peenoy ay dismayado na sa kanya.

  • 444mangyan888

    I have always been for RH bill even to my heart’s lament. The debate in my catholic family, at times, go so heated that we need to pray together afterwards to remain in touched with our love for one another. Reason dictates that i take the path that will benefit the majority. Yet, my capacity for reason has also its own share of clouds of doubts.
    My bishops have spoken. 
    I shall relegate my rational capacity to second fiddle. I take that more than what i can intellectually come up with, my moral direction and well-being can best be guided by my spiritual servants.
    Come election time, I will not vote for any politician who have advocated for the passing of RH bill even if that would mean having nothing to write in my ballot. Why..? because my parish priest ask me so and I am listening to my Bishop.
    Many may disagree, but as anyone else.. I deserve respect for my position.

    • muddygoose

      I hope you are being sarcastic. Otherwise, it would help if you tried to reflect on what makes anti-RH more moral or spiritual than pro-RH.

      Why is knowledge about sexuality and one’s reproductive system immoral? Why is access to tools that will allow you to make fertility/reproductive decisions immoral? Are countries with extremely low fertility rates (due to education and contraception) like Japan, Taiwan, and Singapore more immoral than the Philippines? Do they have necessarily have more incidences of rape, teenage pregnancies, or child sexual abuse?

      If this is about corruption, why isn’t the church attacking proven sources of corruption instead? Why can’t a human society make a rationale, social decision to control it’s population in a world with finite resources?

      Ask yourself these questions and maybe you will change your mind.

      • 444mangyan888

        I am not being sarcastic and only taking a position of principle. This time founded on something more than what my rational capacity can provide.
        i f you read through again my comments, i do not need to state areas and other intellectual considerations why i opted initially for RH.
        i am changing tack because i am leaning now more on my own spritual discretions. Put in another way, i have gone past the realm of reason to resolve my decision.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        I am a pro-RH and I respect your decision.. cheers

      • muddygoose

        And you expect everyone, as in the entire country, to go by your faith.

        Sorry, but this country has been living on “faith” since we were colonized as slaves. It’s time we move on from the realm of blind allegiance and subservience to the realm of reason and enlightened humanity.

      • TheGreatLieofChina2012

        ang Catholic church ay mawawalan ng kita  sa binyag, kumpil ng mga bata kung saan ay may bayad ito. kung mipapasa ang RH bill milyon ang batang mababawas sa Pilipinas at milyon din ang mawawala sa colection nila sa binyag at kumpil ng mga bata..

    • alienpatriot

      You will abandon your principles? You know the country needs it yet you will let a corrupt church structure dictate to you. Listen to your conscience. Listen to God. Do not let corruption win.
      I can respect your position. However, I do not agree with it and I see it as dangerous. I do not blame you for giving up but I implore you to be brave.
      The Department of Education of the Philippines makes the 2 Rizal books compulsory in high school – and rightly so. They are the works of a brave man. They tell of the corruption in the heirarchy of politics and the church. That corruption remains and its voice is seen and read all over Manila in arrogant signs proclaiming “Obey God’s will”. When Rizal was alive it took courage to fight the foreign control. It took his life. Now it takes courage to fight it again. An organisation that wants power for itself has proclaimed that it’s power must be preserved at all costs. Do not lose courage. Do not lose hope. Remember those that have fought for PH independence. This country can never be independent until the CBCP accepts the separation of church and state and allows Pinoys to govern themselves.

  • alienpatriot

    The Senate President has apparently threatened the country with becoming a dictatorship again – the second Enrile would be involved in.
    “You can just imagine what will happen if the bishops link their arms
    with nuns and priests and a crowd to march in the streets and push their
    position on this particular issue. Do you think any policeman or
    soldier would be crazy to raise his guns against these people?” Enrile
    said
    How can this be interpreted except as a threat to take over a country against the will of its people.

  • TheGreatLieofChina2012

    bulag itong mga anti RH bill senator na ito sa ating lansangan ang daming bata na nakakalat at nangungulbit nanghihingi at natutulog sa kalye di sila nabibigyan ng tamang edukasyon at attension wala naman silang maisulong na batas para sa mga batang nagkalat sa lansangan..tututulan pa nila ang RH bill itong namang mga Catholic church mawawalan sila ng kita  sa binyag, kumpil ng mga bata kung saan ay may bayad kung mipapasa ang RH bill milyon ang batang mababawas sa Pilipinas at milyon din ang mawawala sa colection nila sa binyag at kumpil ng mga bata..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      Tanong ko nga sa yo.. Bakit nga ba maraming bata sa lansangan? Bakit maraming mga kabataan ang nagkakaanak ng di naman mag-asawa? bakit ba sa isang lugar maraming anak ang isang pamilya? Bakit maraming gutom?

      Ano ba ang purpose ng RH bill? Para di mabuntis ang babae, sa ganon tuloy parin ang sexlife ng Pinoy. Sex dito sex duon kahit di asawa.

      Mapipigilan ba ng RH Bill ang pagkagumon ng mga kabataan na magsex kahit di sila kasal?

      DAhil ba sa RH bill magiging tapat na ang mga lalaki at babae sa kanikanilang asawa?

      Masusupil ba ng RH Bill ang pagkawalang saysay ng buhay ng isang dalaga kapag iniwan sya ng makauna sa kanya? Matitigil ba ang bawal na relasyon pag andyan na ang RH Bill?

      Mababawasan ba ang pagiging malibog ng isang tao dahil sa RH bill?

      Dadami ba ang palay na matatanim pag napasa na ang RH bill?

      Magmumura ba ang mga bilihin pag na pasa na ang RH bill?

      Malilibre ba sa pagpapagamot sa mga ospital ang mga babae dahil sa RH bill?

      Magmumura ba ang mga gamot na gagamitin ng mga babae dahil sa RH Bill?

      Dadami ba pera ng pangkaraniwang pinoy pag pasado na ang RH bill?

      Ibibigay ba ng mga mayayamang negosyante ang kalahati ng kanilang kabuhayan dahil sa RH bill?

      Pag OO ang lahat ng sagot mo sa mga yan eh di sige ipaglaban natin ang RH Bill. 

      • Seroquel55

         The poverty in this country is not caused by population but by the inequitable distribution of wealth.  In other words, social injustice brought about by oligarchs like the Cojuangcos, Lopezes, Roxases, et. al.

      • reddfrog

         You prefer communism?

  • Joseph Perez

    Buti sinabi na ni Enrile :) :) :) Para sa nagbubulagbulagan dyan eh tapos na ang usapan :) You cannot distort history….. If History will repeat itself then dont tell us we never warned you on that :)

    • Platypus09

      I agree wholeheartedly.

  • Marcial72

    Dapat manginig si Peenoy sa pangamba kasi mahigit 80 % na ng mga obispo ay gusto siyang patalsikin!

  • Seroquel55

    The appointment of Chito Tagle as a new Cardinal and the canonization of Pedro Calungsod created a resurgence in the Catholic Church.  Their influence over their faithful who happen to be the majority of the Philippine population increased.  Enrile is correct when he warned P.Aquino government to be wary of the Catholic’s wrath. 

    • reddfrog

       Maybe Catholic’s horniness, starting with those pedophile priests.

  • mnlmad

    Utang na loob ipasa na nga ang RH Bill na iyan! Ane tagal nang piangde-debatihan iyan.Buong mundo may RH bill na,bakit tayo nagpapaka-primitive?

  • Platypus09

    Enrile’s is a man of strong religious convictions.

    I applaud him for that.

    Why drag the women and gays into this?

    Women still have the choice to bear 10 babies if they want to irregardless of this bill,
    especially if they don’t have jobs and all they do is stay home and take care of the house.

    Pinoy gays are always welcome to buy condoms that are readily available to anyone who needs one.

    RH bill sounds like a imposition to not to do something and that does not fit in our democratic processes.

    • reddfrog

      “Enrile’s is a man of strong religious convictions.”

      ===> hahahahahahaha! The architect of the brutal martial law is “a man of strong religious convictions.” In any other civilized country he would have been rotting in jail! In your desperation you’ll even accept Satan as someone “of strong religious convictions.”. Desperate, desperate, desperate!

  • bogart

     i’m a catholic but im pro RH. daming ng walang makain.  walang boto ang catholic. d ako sumusunod sa gusto nila. may sarili ako isip at karapatan kong pumili ng gusto ko..iba ang edsa revolution at population explosion. .
    .

  • artz555

    Sen. Enrile and his supporters should realize that majority of the people during the brutal Martial Law Regime, were against Marcos, and they and everybody else wanted Marcos out. Hence, the people would welcome anybody, including those in the clergy, to come out and help them in their effort to oust Marcos. It was also an emergency situation because during those critical hours,  Marcos had ordered the military and their tanks to suppress the people’s revolt.

    In the case of the RH bill at this time, the country is not in an emergency situation wherein the  country is not in a brutal Marshall Law regime when most laws and most Constitutional laws are suspended.  During a peaceful time like the present also, majority of the people, based on most surveys, favor the passage of an RH bill in Congress. In addition, the 1987 Philippine Constitution, in which the last time I heard is still applicable, do not allow the interference by the Church in the affairs of the state, because of the ‘Separation of Church and State ‘ provision in the Constitution.

    So I doubt the the events that happened during  those Marshall Law critical emergency hours would  somehow happen also in this different situation, and during this peaceful time.

  • divictes

    COMELEC counts votes, not Catholic effort.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AND7MQ5FERICDOIAUW56RYT45A tower_of_power

    Marami ng lumipat sa INK … sa El Shadai at kung ano ano pa … FRUSTRATED NA ANG MGA TAO sa sinasabi mong “church”. It used to be the churches were brimming with people to hear the mass especially during Sundays … ngayon … meron pa nga nakakatulog during the mass!

    The current politicians just don’t the spine to stand on what is right … puro compromises ang mga ginagawa!!! TRILLANES  … pls stand up!!!

  • opinyonlangpo

    I was there in Edsa because I lived in the area, my flight was cancelled and was only able to fly out three days later.. I was there even before people started coming, it was a tense atmosphere until people from all walks of life came with their own reasons to be there. Sin and the clergy and nuns came later and started to defuse the situation giving food, and flowers to soldiers of both sides. Its nostalgic. Anyway, RH bill does not necessarily mean one has to base it on religion . . . maybe the desperately vote-hungry politicians.

    • Platypus09

      I agree.

      Catholics rule in this country, past and present.

      Deal with it folks.

      This country would never be like this without Catholics.

      That is a given fact.

      No one can change that…

      • reddfrog

        “This country would never be like this without Catholics.”

        ===> So now we know who to blame for the mess. Perhaps we can sue the Vatican. Or Spain, but they’re bankrupt.

      • Platypus09

        Your posts are senseless, just to let you know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AND7MQ5FERICDOIAUW56RYT45A tower_of_power

    If
    we look at it from the stand point of the CHURCH … the BUSINESS
    sector … the POLITICIANS … THE MORE PEOPLE THERE IS … THE BETTER
    FOR ALL OF THEM!!!

    IN REALITY … THE MORE PEOPLE THERE IS >>> THE HARDER LIFE IS FOR THE PEOPLE!!!

    WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO SOTTO  … ENRILE OR EVEN THE CHURCH?

    • Platypus09

      It is like saying, why do we have to talk about this crap to begin with?

      What is the deal with this RH bill?

      Why impose something that will not be followed by majority of the women any ways?

      Waste of time, right?

      • Ganymede

        RH Bill is not imposing something on someone. Women have their own choice. The bill merely empowers them by providing the information and resources they need to the plan their family. In addition, majority of our countrymen would like to have the RH Bill as indicated on surveys after surveys after surveys. So it’s something that the majority wants.

        RH haters will always be haters, no matter how you explain it to them. They just look the other way and simply ignores logic and reason.

      • Platypus09

        Talking about logic.

        The logical thing to do is to EDUCATE them about their choices and that is it.

        Nothing else to do here but educate them.

        There is NO NEED for a bill. It is a waste of time as you can see.

        Women have been given the choices since immemorial, but they still opt for more babies.

        What else can you do? Impose? I don’t think so, very undemocratic.

        End of discussion for the PRO-RH Bill.

        Scrap it. Waste of time.

      • artz555

        I agree with you if majority of the Filipino people don’t want the RH Bill.

        On the contrary, majority of the people, based on surveys, want an RH passed by Congress soon. This is true, probably because they believe that the current implementation of the family program in the country needs to be revamp, or given more teeth or power of the law considering that according to some, it is somehow weak or ineffective for a number years now, or even decades and that PH is falling behind most other progressive countries in Asia in per capita GDP.

        Many also believe that passage of the RH bill will improve the lives of every Filipino, not only for the poor and the marginalized families who really needs this bill, but also to some extent the middle and upper levels of society. 

        When there is a balanced growth of population, every Filipino’s standard of living will go up  simply because everyone’s per capita share of the GDP pie will go up. There would be less crime on the streets because there would less people joining the ranks of the poor and the hungry, as well as the unemployed.   

         And the government would not be overburdened with increasing  funds to take care of more and more poor people every year if there is no RH Bill passed by Congress and the status quo is allowed to continue. With more money available, the government can spend the money in other more important programs of nation building.

      • reddfrog

         “They just look the other way and simply ignores logic and reason.”

        ===> You can say the same thing about Catholics in general.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    ENRILE TUTA NI CARDINAL TAGLE TUMINGIN KA SA PALIGID MO DAMI NAG KAKALKAL NA MGA BATA NG BASURA BATANG PALABOY ISNATCHER NAG LIPANA UNSAFE PINAS HIGH CRIME RATE WAG MO DAANIN SA PADASAL BANSA MO CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN TERRORIST GO BACK TO VATICAN MAAWA KA SA BANSA MOOOOO”””””

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    ENRILE AND CARDINAL TAGLE MGA KATOLIBAN STOP TERRORISM IN PILIPINO NATION”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARDINAL TAGLE PAHALAGAHAN ANG BUHAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • Platypus09

    Catholic haters will always be haters.

    Catholicism will stay no matter what.

    It has been tested, twisted, and bent for hundreds of times for hundreds of years, but it stood tall, as it is right now.

    Unfortunately, these haters don’t belong in this respected Catholic church of the world.

    • reddfrog

      “Catholicism will stay no matter what.”

      ===> Because human stupidity will stay no matter what.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CARDINAL TAGLE GIVE ME 100 MADRE MAGAGANDA BUBUNTISIN KO LAHAT” PARA DUMAMI ISNATCHER”

    • Platypus09

      Nice try. It doesn’t work.

      • reddfrog

         Why not? Were those nuns infertile?

      • Platypus09

        Your posts are all crap.

  • palakasantayo

    JPE should be saying “be wary of educated catholics” they will vote for whatever is right… not because the church says so.

  • Facile1

    For those of you who overstate the power of the Roman Catholic Church, please note the following:

    1. The Catholic Church is NOT against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is against the use of oral contraceptives in Family Planning and the use of State power to control population growth.

    2. The Catholic Church, unlike Islam, does not advocate the violent overthrow of governments. Therefore, its only recourse is to work within the existing Constitution and the Bill of Rights that may limit the abuse of State power. Not all countries have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. The Philippines is one of the lucky few.

    3. When Marcos set aside the 1936 Constitution, he eliminated all legitimate avenues for non-violent dissent. Marcos was able to promulgate presidential decrees without challenge from anyone — including the Roman Catholic Church. There can be NO Catholic vote if there can be NO FREE ELECTIONS.

    4. Lastly, though one might argue that the Catholic Religious are under the constraint of their vows of obedience to vote according to the wishes of their Superiors, this is definitely FALSE for the Catholic laity.

    Regardless of the position of the Roman Catholic Church on the RH Bill, exposing HEALTHY Filipino women (albeit the “poorest of the poor”) to the UNNECESSARY risks (however small) of oral contraceptives when free, safer and healthier alternatives exist shows CONTEMPT.

    The RH Bill has only contempt for the Filipino woman.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her social status.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her religious convictions.
    The RH Bill has only contempt for her constitutional rights.

    BUT most of all, the RH Bill has only contempt for her healthy female body.

    Vote ‘NO’ to this contemptuous — and contemptible — RH bill.

    • reddfrog

       Vote yes to pedophilia!!!!

      • mhertz

        why? are you running then? lol..

    • huseng_batute

       “The RH Bill has only contempt for her constitutional rights.”

      I agree!  The RH Bill should not be passed if it violates the constitutional rights of the Filipino woman.

      But, like you, I won’t simply accept any statement that is given to me. 

      Can you explain which constitutional right is being violated by which section of the RH Bill? 

      • Facile1

        Freedom of Religion.

      • huseng_batute

         And which part of the RH Bill takes away the freedom to choose a religion?

      • Facile1

        A person who makes no effort to read cannot be helped.

      • huseng_batute

        Kasi wala naman talaga kaya hindi masabi.

        Empty claims?

  • ARIKUTIK

    OK, you’re not dumb … (ang kulit….). Idioms whatever is empty thoughs. Kingdoms or government is ruled by few determined warriors. The so called SILENT majority are nothing but slave followers who bows down to a mighty conqueror. Learn your history of human kind. Proof IS > Political Dynasty prevailed because they are the conquerors and your SILENT very SILENT majority are the voiceless slaves who supports the power. They are like sheeps keep in line by sheepdogs. Now who needs to learn, you a self claim English intelligent who’s knowledge is base only in searching the net. My knowledge is based on observing how a womans grinding waste attracts unsuspecting men into hot poisonous bossom in natures garden of roses. RH bill is genocide againts the poor enforced by the government of the rich. It is not freedom.   

    • http://www.facebook.com/killadajoker Denis Chanco

      hey when you go visit a hospital, how many patients do you see suffering from the side effect of contraceptives?..well?..how many mothers do you see suffering from birth complications?..how many street children do you see? growing every year?..how many families are having kids that they cannot afford?–feel stupid now?–now go blame foreign drug, the west-batman–but who is taking responsibility for this population grwoth?..not you–your an idiot

  • ricardo alberto

    RH is not evil as Marcos was. Catholics will not rally to oppose it. Only bishops and politicians with an inexhastible sense of empowerment and delusions of moral ascendancy will.

    • ARIKUTIK

      It will be a never ending battle for it is an oppression and cruelty to the poor. It destroys the fabric of morrality. All those who become sick with cancer through contraceptive pills will be presented in public. All the freak children born out of RH pill accidental pregnancy will be presented also. Untill the horrible effects of RH pills is aknowledge. Sotto had cried for the death of an abnormal son born out of contraceptive pill. If that is not enough for all to realise the dispecable result then let a thousand grieving parents be presented to testify againts RH pills. The believers of humanity will never be cowered by laws. The battle will continue untill the truth is finally revealed and accepted. Only the rich and Foreign Drug companies will reap benefits out of RH bill. The poor will further suffer.

      • http://www.facebook.com/killadajoker Denis Chanco

        hey when you go visit a hospital, how many patients do you see suffering from the side effect of contraceptives?..well?..how many mothers do you see suffering from birth complications?..how many street children do you see? growing every year?..how many families are having kids that they cannot afford?–feel stupid now?–now go blame foreign drug, the west-batman–but who is taking responsibility for this population grwoth?..not you–your an idiot

  • indiosbravos2002

    I think its the other way around. Enrile is imposing his will on the whole senate. I think its time for him to step down the senate presidency.

  • ddano

    . Why bother to proposed 17 amendments to the RH Bill and still vote against it after the amendments were adopted?

  • virgoyap

    It seems that Enrile is alluring of creating another Edsa people power against the passing of RH bill. Enrile is dreaming. Didn’t he realized that majority of the Filipinos are in favor that the RH bill be passed?

  • Don Sonjay

    TRAPO

  • http://www.facebook.com/killadajoker Denis Chanco

    hey when you go visit a hospital, how many patients do you see suffering from the side effect of contraceptives?..well?..how many mothers do you see suffering from birth complications?..how many street children do you see? growing every year?..how many families are having kids that they cannot afford?–feel stupid now?–now go blame foreign drug, the west-batman–but who is taking responsibility for this population grwoth?..not you–your an idiot

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HANGANG NGAYON NAG TATALO TALO PARIN KAYO IPASA NA KASI ANG R.H BILL MALAY MO MAGING NEWZEALAND O SUWITZERLAND TAYO MAS MARAMI BAKA SA TAO KAYA SOBRA SUPLY NG STEAK SA PINAS MAS MARAMI BATANG PALABOY ISNATCHER SA BAKA KAYA UNSAFE NA METRO MANILA DESPERADO TAKBO SA SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO KAYA LAKAS NG NEGOSYO NI CARNIVAL TAGLE NGISING DEMONYO””

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RJQ2HKUJDYKO4IME2F3GPWL5RY Kristel Capio

     To our respectable law makers, please vote on RH Bill with our RIGHT,
    TRUE and MORAL CONSCIENCE grounded on man’s relationship with GOD.

    Ma. Kristel G. Capio, 2POL1
    University of Santo Tomas

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