Big business backs RH bill

5 groups sign manifesto of support

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The country’s biggest business organizations on Thursday threw their support behind the Aquino administration in its efforts to give Filipinos universal access to family planning services.

And they’re willing to put their money where their mouths are.

At the Summit on Family Planning in the Business Sector, representatives of the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PCCI), Employment Confederation of the Philippines (Ecop), Makati Business Club (MBC), Management Association of the Philippines (MAP) and Philippine Business for Social Progress (PBSP) signed a “manifesto of support” calling for a national modern family planning program.

The business groups also promised to “mobilize investments for family planning and other reproductive health services” and implement family planning programs for the poor as part of their corporate social responsibility.

“We, the participants… declare our commitment and support to national efforts toward ensuring universal access to family planning in the advancement of reproductive rights of poor women,” the declaration said.

It advocated the enactment of national reproductive health and population management policy and programs and “allocation of funds for the implementation of this vital policy.”

The declaration also called for “accelerating the reduction of the unmet needs for family planning and in ensuring the promotion of informed choice, universal coverage and delivery of quality (family planning) information and services.”

Among those present at the summit held at the Philippine International Convention Center (PICC) in Pasay City were former Prime Minister Cesar Virata, former Foreign Secretary Roberto Romulo, former Health Secretary Esperanza Cabral, former Budget Secretary Benjamin Diokno, Health Undersecretary Teodoro Herbosa, United Nations Population Fund country representative Ugochi Daniels and UK Ambassador Stephen Lillie.

“I think it would be appropriate to give you a quote—I assure you it’s a quote; I’m not plagiarizing—from (the late US President) John F. Kennedy who said  ‘Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,” Romulo said in his welcome remarks.

“I think this sums up what you can do for the country,” added Romulo, chairman of the Zuellig Family Foundation.

It was a dig at Senate Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III, who is facing an ethics complaint for quoting without attribution material from the speech of the late US Sen. Robert Kennedy and other foreign works in three speeches against the reproductive health (RH) bill pending in the Senate.

Diokno called on President Aquino to be more passionate in pushing for the passage of the RH bill.

“I hate to say this but it is in (Mr. Aquino’s) hands. If he is as passionate as he was in the impeachment of Chief Justice Renato Corona, he could have this done,” Diokno said.

Stuck in Congress

The RH bill is stuck in the Senate and in the House of Representatives, with legislators facing reelection next year worried about a backlash from the influential Catholic Church, which is leading the opposition to the bill.

Commenting on the business groups’ falling into Mr. Aquino’s column, Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines-Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, reminded the businessmen that having a large consumer base and work force would be in the country’s interest “in the long run.”

“Contraceptives are big business, too. We hope our business leaders realize that in the long term population control and the contraceptive mentality is inimical to their own business interests,” Castro said. “A large population means a large economic base and a large consumer base,” he said.

“A fairly large young population ensures a productive labor force,” Castro added.

The Church will not relent in its opposition to the RH bill. It is “in the business of saving souls, and will do everything to fulfill her mission,” Castro said.

He said the RH bill was “a symptom of a graver problem, moral and social degeneration.”

The Church, he said, “will help effect the needed moral and spiritual reform and renewal both within the Church and in society.”

Absenteeism in House

A watered-down version of the RH bill has fallen victim to absenteeism in the House.

House Majority Leader Neptali Gonzales II on Thursday said the House should decide once and for all whether to enact the bill.

“Maybe there is a need to call the members to a caucus and for the Speaker to tell them that on this day we will move [on the RH bill] . . . Win or lose, that’s it,” Gonzales said.

If there is a quorum on the set date, he said, the House should proceed to tackle the proposed amendments or the substitute bill.

If there is no quorum on that day, then that should be taken as a sign that there is simply not enough support for the measure, he said.

Speaker Feliciano Belmonte Jr. on Thursday said he would call the members to a meeting to discuss pending legislation, including the RH bill.

In the Senate, the principal author of the RH bill, Sen. Pia Cayetano, called on her colleagues Thursday to quit fence-sitting and put the bill to a vote.

Cayetano asked Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile when he would introduce his amendments but he refused, saying he was not ready with his proposed amendments to the measure.

 

Offended

Cayetano said she was disappointed and offended by Enrile’s gesture, which she considered a reflection of his regard for women and reproductive rights.

“I find it offensive that what I consider human rights—access to reproductive health and contraceptives—can be put aside by one high government official as if the lives of women are not that important,” Cayetano said in Filipino and English.

“I cannot deny that it is disappointing for me and a bit offensive for a colleague to tell me he does not care or plan to allot the bill time in plenary,” she said.

Cayetano blamed her colleagues’ opposition to the bill on consultants who gave them wrong advice.

“Their objective is not to bring this [measure] to a vote and I will not agree,” she said.

At the PICC, Diokno said the business community was behind family planning because, as a 2007 Ecop study showed, providing family planning services to employees “increases business profitability, improves labor productivity, and raises the quality of life for workers and their families.”

“If there were 30 million less Filipinos, I can assure you that we would have a budget surplus instead of a budget deficit,” Diokno said.

Romulo said the Ecop study showed that while family planning “substantially enhanced business productivity,” it also showed “that by providing the right environment, employees were ensured a safe pregnancy.”

“The question today is what role can the business sector play. Out of the country’s population of 93 million, 37.5 million are employed. Thus, in my opinion, the contribution of the business sector to address family planning needs can go a long way,” he said.

Core business

The summit participants promised to “promote the establishment of family planning as a core business or as a social enterprise to facilitate the provision of family planning services, especially to small companies that cannot afford to set up their own service-delivery programs.”

They also committed to pursue “public-private-partnerships modalities and strategies” for improving direct and support services for family planning and other reproductive healthcare services not “only in the workplace but also in poor communities.”

The labor code requires companies that employ at least 200 people to provide family planning services to its employees, but Herbosa said the business community’s commitment to family planning was very significant.

“The magnitude of the challenge on family planning is too great for the government to address alone,” Herbosa said.

He noted that private sector participation was instrumental in combating polio, leprosy and malaria in the Philippines.

“We eradicated polio in this country with a partnership with Rotary International. We actually eliminated leprosy with the use of free drugs from a private family and we actually have one of the lowest incidence of malaria cases with the help of Global Fund and the Pilipinas Shell Foundation,” Herbosa said.

“So, this partnerships have all led to previous successes, especially in infectious diseases. I see no reason why we will not be able to succeed in the area of family planning and reproductive health,” he added. With reports from Cathy Yamsuan and Leila B. Salaverria

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  • ngayonyan

    mga kabayan pls watch Youtube…Know your Enemy (77 parts) by Thefuelproject its about religion

  • quirinomayer

    Calling on every one to be counted for the eventual passage of the  RH Bill. Let’s now isolate Padre Damaso and his few blind followers.

    GO GO GO RH BILL.

    • abner

       DAmasao mo mukha mo..hahaha

      • Ronald_18

        Hahaha! Affected ka, ad lev?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VPSXDLCQEZGZDJSX32G7PYHNCI Noel

    Filipino people are bigger than Big Business.  Majority of the Filipinos are in favor of RH Bill.

    • abner

       majority kung maipapasa…kahit ano pa sabihin nyo wala na election na… di na maipapasa yan.

    • xrisp

      I just ask your opinion if the use or advocating the use of contraceptives moral or immoral?

  • mhertz

    ayusin na muna nila ang pagpapasahod sa manggagawa huwag lang nilang gatasan..saka ako maniniwala na concern sila sa bansa..sila sila lang ang lalong yumayaman eh..

    • tamumd

      Why don’t you tell Melvin Castro and the rest of the catholic hierarchy to clean up their own backyard first before venturing into the secular domain? Leave the government and local businesses alone!

      • abner

         ano? pabayaan mo lang ang gobyerno?? eh di lalo ng niransak ang kaban ng bayan…

      • tamumd

        It is not within the purview of the church to monitor and meddle in the affairs of the government. It is the citizens’ and media’s responsibility. After all their business is about saving “souls” and not earthly things.

      • Ronald_18

        Oh, Come on. Are you sure the Roman Catholic are the purest in the world? Why don’t you look into the corruption of these so called purist? Mas marami pa ngang kasalanan yang mga Pari kung tutuusin.

        Gusto mo isa isahin natin?

      • xrisp

        Who do you think Satan will try to destroy? Of course the  greatest threat to him and his cohorts and that is the Catholic Church. Despite the faults you see in some of its members, which is obvioulsy a whit of success by Satan, the catholic Church will never be defeated and shall continue its mission in the salvation works for humanity. Im 100% sure of that because Christ said it Himself.

        And one more, isn’t it that divisions in the Church, a triumph of the evil one?

      • xrisp

        Who do you think Satan will attack more?

      • tamumd

        He will attack you only..coz I don’t believe in those kinda fairytale characters. I am not as gullible as you are!

      • xrisp

        You believe in Satan but do you believe in God?

      • tamumd

        You have a comprehension problem! Where did I say that I believe in your ridiculous, cartoonish dark guy with red eyes, a tail and holding a trident? If I don’t believe in any deity..that includes your god and your satan. Geeez.

      • mhertz

        And why should I need to ask Fr. Melvin Castro?  It is very elementary, paying for your contraceptions. Is like paying you to get drunk. Simple but it make sense. Rather than antagonizing other sector,.

      • tamumd

        Coz Melvin Castro is the being quoted in this article….and he is stonewalling as if we would force him to use condom or take a pill. Again if you don’t want to pay your income taxes coz you’re worried that it will be used to buy contraception…I suggest you move out of the Philippines to the Vatican coz it is the only place in the world that doesn’t have RH laws. That’s the government that you follow anyways. Might as well start packing and move there. All the laws in that tiny city state would agree to your sheeple,fanatic taste. No one would antagonize you there and would save you alot of headaches.

      • mhertz

        i will say it again, i will not listen to you coz”your name TAMUMD spells IUD. no brainer. Sex over the counter eh!!! wla nang hiya.

      • mhertz

        your reasoning is such a no brainer, no wonder TAMUMD speels IUD. what  can you get? For your info, Im in a country right now with free basic health care and not free Reproductive health. No matter  how the government waste money in contraceptions. The Philippines will remain poor, if it continue to be undiscplined and irresponsible. Even as simple as proper waste disposal cant be carried out. And what can you expect with corruption mindset. More people will suffer from poverty. And broken homes because of everything as easy as sex available over the counter. If indeed Philippines is a third world country. Why it can’t prioritize health services instead of wasting money on contraceptions. Anyhow, if everyone have discipline they can resort to Natural family planning, with no side effects and free. Will i think that makes sense.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

    Like most Anti RH, Melvin Castro takes his stand on something he’s not familiar of, reminds me of a UP prof and member of the opus dei that was chided by a fellow UP prof for overstepping her field of expertise just to defend her stand in a debate sponsored by GMA7.

    He can talk and talk about morality and religion but he should not debate businessmen on issues regarding business and the labor force, unless they also emphasize business in the clergy.

    A large population would mean a large economic base for the catholic church, but necessarily for these businessmen and the national economy as a whole.

    • abner

       Mag ngangaw ngaw man kayo dito wala din, wala ding mangyayari. HINDI MAIPAPASA ANG RH BILL.lol

      • Ronald_18

        Hehe…affected ka ano? Dahil sigurado semplang ka. Tignan natin…

  • indiosbravos2002

    Finally some movement after months of inactivity. I hope this move can provide more traction for the RH bill. Some politicians though are intentionally slowing the process given how near the next election is.

  • tamumd

    Castro said “the church will help effect the needed moral and spiritual reform and renewal both within the Church and in society.” Well heck…your church had been doing that for 500 years and apparently it’s not working! Therefore your church is USELESS. Instead it became a scourge to our progress!

    • mucho_cheapo

      Let us ask the Catholic Church, who is responsible for moral and spiritual teachings of the Filipino people. Duh! You people failed miserably.

      • tamumd

        Why don’t you ask them coz despite of their so called moral and spiritual teachings corruption had become entrenched in our society. Murder, robbery, rape are everyday occurences. The church even turned a blind eye on past administration and past presidents’ corrupt ways just as long as they have the patronage of those in power. As Bishop Arguelles puts it while discussing the Hello Garci case…..”everyone cheats anyway”. Is that the kind of institution that you would derive your moral compass from? I don’t think so!

    • xrisp

      Tell us more about the goodness fo your sect.

      • tamumd

        I don’t have a sect coz I don’t believe in a fairytale deity.

      • xrisp

        So every religion for you is only a fairytale? And  their God, a deity? But how do you call your religion anyway? Who is your God?

      • tamumd

        There is no god!!! Snap out of your dream.

      • xrisp

        Why are you here if there is no God?

      • tamumd

        What do you mean why I am here? if you’re implying that a god created me..the answer is a resounding NO. It’s my parents who did…and so are you.

      • xrisp

        Where did you parents come from? Don’t use your intelligence to deceive yourself. You reasoniong cannot match God and you will end really nowhere.

      • tamumd

        Where did my parents come from…from their parents! You are the one deceiving yourself. You know very well no deity created you and me and everybody else.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        God loves you tamumd.period

      • tamumd

        Quit deluding yourself…your god is just in your head!

    • isidro c. valencia

      NOW BIG BROTHER CONVINCED BIG BUSINESS TO CONSPIRE IN RH ISSUE

      “Business is intrinsically business” is defined in Karl Marx ‘s dialectical materialism. And so these groups comprising “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie” are run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit, in disguise of promoting RH Bill to please President Benigno Aquino III.

      Fr. James Farfaglia’s ‘Openness to life’ will provide us historical account of contraception: 

      “Before 1930, every Christian denomination (Anglican, Protestants, Baptists,
      Jehova’s Witness, etc) agreed in their opposition to contraception and considered it intrinsically evil. In 1930, the Anglican Church, motivated by increasing social pressures, 
      stated that contraception could be allowed in some circumstances. Shortly thereafter the Anglicans gave in, allowing contraception. Since then, all other Protestant denominations followed the example of the Church of England. 

      Today, the Catholic Church stands alone in opposition to contraception. However, even though the Catholic Church affirms that contraception is intrinsically evil, the majority of Catholics in America completely rejects and ignores the Church’s teaching on procreation. 

      The first cries for change within the Catholic Church came about in the late 1950’s and the early 1960’s with the availability of the birth control pill. In July of 1968, Pope Paul VI published an encyclical letter Humanae Vitae (On Human Life) which reaffirmed the constant teaching of the Catholic Church that artificial birth control is intrinsically evil.”

      Pope Benedict XVI’s encyclical Spessalvi said “. .Marx thought that once the economy had been put to right, everything would automatically be put right. His real error is materialism: man, in fact, is not merely the product of economic conditions, and it is not possible to redeem him purely from the outside by creating a favorable economic environment.”

      In today’s world of materialism, the practice of religion including practice of natural family planning method has been observed as co-existing with poverty while disregarding the real meaning of life. Sometimes some Catholics feel the non importance of God’s teachings when they feel the primacy of economic well being. 

      And so these businessmen’s errors are reflected on their intent to make big business out of RH.

      • tamumd

        “these businessmen are intent to make big business out of RH…..really? I didn’t know Makati Business Club manufactures OCPs and condoms and IUDs. Geez….no one is buying your conspiracy theories anymore. No one falls for that anymore. Maybe the bishops could do that to you but we are not as gullible as you are.

        The reason why the catholic church is the sore thumb among christian religions who support the use of contraceptive has nothing to do with their dogmas but to save face so that the previous popes won’t appear stupid. Read the Minority Report.

        Funny how you despise materialism but your CBCP Mitsubishops live like kings and princes with airconditioned rooms, eat 5 meals a day, driven around by chauffers, have entourage of maids and butlers. The catholic church in the Philippines is sitting on million of pesos of investment money they don’t wanna touch. Now that’s what you call hypocrisy extraordinaire! Are they really concern with the dignity of life? I don’t think so…not when it comes to their dealing with pedophelia cases. From the bishops to the pope everyone is in cahoots of sweeping the evidence under the rug and delaying the investigation in the hopes that the statute of limitation expires and they would eventually be forgotten. Where is the concern for the ruined lives and justice for these innocent children? NADA..Hypocrites!

  • bongarroyo

    bishops don’t be onion-skinned about this issue….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYJLDPFZXW3GZVHSY5TOQZX6D4 SojuSaki

    The current crop of our not so honorable legislators should open their minds to see the real problem of our society and open their hearts to provide the real solution. They should stop listening to the hellish voices of the clones of Fray Damaso that have been polluting the minds of our poor compatriots for centuries. 
    Dr. Jose Rizal must be turning in his grave if he sees a great number of the children of his beloved motherland still remain slaves to the twisted teachings of Fray Damaso.
    RH Bill is the only way to go for PH. Pass RH Bill now so our beloved motherland could resume her march to progress.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UR6AKMU2J2D4GOPDU4QMRZDB7Q felipe

    karamihan naman dyan pakitang tao lang naman ang pagkarelihyoso…hypocrites e.g sa congreso at senado !!!!!

    • napali808

       I agree…they ( congreso at senado ) are hypocrites and cowards. Afraid of the pompous bishops, who have disjointed belief about abortion.

  • jinx

    They (business groups) could have aligned with the anti-RH position for it would be in their favor—-overpopulation meant more consumers, more cheap labor, and more profits. But NO…. They have chosen the logical path where the “advancement of reproductive rights of POOR women” is assured. Their position just demolished that crazy ideas of both Punasan and senile Enrile that the RH bill can bring acute labor shortage— in your dreams.

    I bet the only propaganda left for the anti-RH is to spread lies that these groups are manufacturers of birth control devices.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    So the business lobby and the country’s leading economists (last year) have backed the bill.

    Does this finally kill the absolute MYTH that the RH Bill would be bad for the economy, or does this now mean that the country’s business leaders are all part of the imagined global conspiracy against the Philippines?

    Knowing how the anti-RH zombies on here think, probably the latter.  I swear, if Jesus Christ Himself came down to Earth and voiced his support for the RH Bill, the zombies on here would call him anti-Christian.

    • xrisp

      Definitely you could call the Lord anti-Christian because population control will never be in His vocabulary.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        It actually isn’t in the RH Bill either.

      • xrisp

        Then this RHBill should be blotted out!

      • tamumd

        You and your church should be blotted out!

      • xrisp

        I will be gone one day but the Catholic Church will stay until the end of time. I’m sure of that!

      • tamumd

        how do you know that? I didn’t know you read crystal balls too.

      • xrisp

        Thanks for having communicated with you.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Aaaaaaaand you fail at logic.

  • Hfxwst

    Let Catholics live by their own religious laws, and free the rest of us from them. If you have to use the laws of the country to impose your religion, then your religion is not real!

    The current case in Ireland where a woman of Hindu faith died at the hands of legislated Catholic law has drawn world attention.  The Irish government is moving quickly to ensure this will never happen again – the imposition of a single religion’s values is undemocratic and inhumane.  Shame on Catholics! All Filipinos should be embarrassed.

    • brunogiordano

      Shame on Conservative/Fundamentalist Catholics na maka-Damaso.

      Ang mga Progressive/Liberal Catholics na mas nakakarami na ngayon at gumagamit ng Contraceptives ay hindi dapat ikahiya.

  • http://www.facebook.com/boy.dalius Boy Dalius

    Naku!

    Baka lalo umiyak si Sotto sa senado…

    at kumopya ulit ng speech.

  • mnlmad

    Pass the RH Bill now. I agree with the business sector. Media, stop interviewing the church’ bishops!

    • xrisp

      And why do you think they cannot do away with consulting the Church?

  • browndarwinian

    As Hitch would say, the cure for poverty actually has a name.  It’s colloquially known as…

    “The Empowerment of Women.”

    PASS THE RH BILL NOW!

  • Ibongpipit

    Both sides of the controversial RH bill are now deeply entrenched with their evolving rationales and philosophical defenses.  It is but ripe at this stage to rapped up every relevant pieces and formulate a framework for compromises.   Accommodations will facilitate passage of the bill in a manner that satisfies vital interests of the two sides.  I presumed this to be not too late for averting a haphazardly enacted legislation.  It became a highly emotional legislative process because of its political, economic and religious impacts.  It will simply be appropriate that the final version encompassed considerations of everyone.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Not possible when considerations are directly opposed to each other, and frankly not when one side refuses to compromise in any way.

      • Ibongpipit

        Rationale people are involved in this controversy.  I’m still confident somebody will spark the virtue of humility to open the channel of accommodation, compromise and ultimately enactment.  With prayers, let us hope that they don’t rush and head towards the cliff of their unblemished ego a response to the losing call of pride and money.

      • Hfxwst

        We don’t want compromise – we want freedom from Catholic doctrine.  If Catholics want to follow the Bishops, then please do so – the rest of us do not.

      • Ibongpipit

        Even freedom from Catholic doctrine needs awareness and acceptance from parties involved in the controversy. If someone wants to exclude themselves from the mandate of the law then lawmakers has to be informed. Otherwise, they become an unknown separatist from the legislative process of the government. Let us try our best to participate and make our system inclusive. That is the only way we can say we are united in searching and pursuing our goals as one nation of Filipinos that we can be proud of to anybody.

      • Hfxwst

        The legislative process of our government is already supposed to guarantee freedom from the imposition of religion. The Bishops and their followers  do not have enough faith in their own religion or else they would not be using the legislative process to impose their religious dogma.

         The Philippines needs to re-assert it Freedoms for peoples of all religions..Either that, or we need to elect a female Pope and wait a decade for it to be changed from Rome instead of locally.

      • Ibongpipit

        You are right about the guarantee for religious freedom and that is exactly why the Bishops and their followers are participating in formulating the final version of this bill before it becomes a law. They are trying that nobody’s freedom of choice is curtailed. They want to be sure that the inherent right of every individual concerning the dignity of life from the moment of conception to natural death is preserve and guaranteed in the RH bill. That is the only forum and venue where assurance for this purpose can be exercised. If other segments of believers/non-believers are offended, sorry, but their rights are not taken away, I don’t believe.

      • Guest

        Catholic Bishops are uniquely unqualified to this. Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses would be better,

        Catholics have proved themselves to be intrusive and have a sense of entitlement which is undeserved. There are also questions of integrity and credibility surrounding the Bishops and the charities they operate. The country and all of its peoples wuld not be well served by having them involved at all.

      • Ibongpipit

        You are right about the integrity and credibility of certain bishops. There are a few exceptions including some priests. We need to learn more and understand the teachings of Catholic Bishops in general though. They are uniquely qualified.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        They’re ‘uniquely qualified’ to analyze a book written 2000 years ago.

        They aren’t qualified to discuss national policy.

      • Ibongpipit

        But have you ever thought that today’s policy may be guided from ideas that came from books written 2,000 years ago?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No, because society and people evolve.

        Also, it’s a flat out lie that condoms are forbidden in the Bible, so regardless the priests are wrong.

      • Hfxwst

        Catholic Bishops are uniquely unqualified to this. Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses and Muslims would be better,
        Catholics have proved themselves to be intrusive and have a sense of entitlement which is undeserved. There are also questions of integrity and credibility surrounding the Bishops and the charities they operate and donations they accept.. The country and all of its peoples would not be well served by having them involved at all.

      • Hfxwst

        People have a constitutional right to exclude themselves ftom religious law. or else we do not live in a democracy

      • Ibongpipit

        You are absolutely correct. Be vigilant about this right.

      • KapitanBagwis

        ” If someone wants to exclude themselves from the mandate of the law then lawmakers has to be informed”. ~ What exactly do you mean by this remark? RH Bill has been debated since one can remember by pros and cons. What is there to be informed to the lawmakers?

      • Ibongpipit

        If amending the bill is too late what is everybody waiting for, big money or deal falling behind, or lawmakers scared of the upcoming ballot casting next year?

      • KapitanBagwis

        Your guess is as good as mine but you did not answer my question. What is there to be informed to the lawmakers?

  • txtman

                >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANO DAW?   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    OF COARSE CONTRACEPTIVES ARE BIG BUSINESS

    NOW WE ARE TALKING

    DO YOUR MATH

    SAY, 30 MILLION CONDOMS X 10 PESOS = 300 MILLION/ DAY

    WOW, TALO BA ANG JUETENG NYAN

    CONDOM PA LANG YAN!

    PITIFUL

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      You lot don’t let logic get in your way, do you?

      • txtman

        LOGIC?

        ASK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

        RIGHT NOW, THEIR POPULATION GROWTH IS FASTER
            THAN THE GROWTH OF THEIR ECONOMY

        MORE AMERICANS NOW ARE IN THE POVERTY LINE

        ANO DAW ANG SOLUTION DYAN?

        CONDOM BA?

        NOPE

        PILLS BA?

        NOPE

        SINABI BA NILA NA BAWASAN MGA ANAK NILA?

        NOPE

        THE AMERICAN DON’T EVEN DARE TO SAY TO THE LATINOS
            TO LIMIT THEIR KIDS!

        ANO SAGOT?

        JOBS!

        JOBS!

        JOBS!

        YAN ANG LOGIC

        SOBRANG BOBO MO NA PAG HINDI MO PA NAGETS YAN

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Christ, you are amazingly stupid.  So stupid you can’t figure out your caps lock, even.

        Please please PLEASE don’t discuss economics.  Reading articles doesn’t make you knowledgeable on the subject.  And frankly, if you want to pretend that the RH Bill would be bad economically for the country, I’d suggest hitting yourself in the head until you realize that you aren’t better at economics than THE BEST ECONOMISTS IN THE COUNTRY.

      • txtman

        BEST ECONOMIST SA PILIPINAS?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        NASAAN SILA?

        MANG KEPWENG, SABI NGA NI PENOY

        “WALANG MAHIRAP, PAG WALANG CORRUPT”

        ITO LANG ANG MASASABI KO

        ANG SABI NG MGA BEST AMONG THE BEST
             ECONOMISTS IN THE WORLD NA MGA
             AMERIKANO ( TAKE NOTE WALANG PINOY) IS

        CREATE JOBS!

        JOBS

        JOBS

        SUPER-BOBO NA LANG ANG HINDI MAKAINTIDI NIYAN

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        ‘best economists in the Philippines’

        Please get an adult to tell you what that actually means.

        Wow, you’re even dumber than I thought.

      • txtman

        AY SUS, ANG TANGA TALAGA!

        HINDI TALAGA MARUNONG MAGBASA

        SABAGAY WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A
            WANNABE INTELLECTUAL

        BALIK KA SA GRADE 1 HA!

        WAG KA LANG TAGABUTAS NG SILYA

        MAG-ARAL KA

        PARA MARUNONG KANG MAGBASA
           AT UMINTINDI

        SINO KAYA ANG DUMB

        DEFINITELY, NOT ME

        DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?

        AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Yeah, you can’t understand a basic sentence, so I’m pretty sure it’s you.

      • jinx

        E di magtayo ka rin ng sarili mong negosyo para madagdagan ang jobs na pinagyayabang mo.  Kahit ma-hiblood ka diyan sa kasisigaw ng jobs, wala  pa ring mangyayari dahil sangkatutak inaanak ng pinoy kada araw. di naman ganun kadali lumikha ng trabaho para sa 50 million.

      • txtman

        ANO SAGOT NG MGA ECONOMISTA SA USA?

        THE GOVERNMENT/CONGRESS SHOULD MAKE LAWS
            THAT WILL BE CONDUCIVE TO CREATE JOBS

        SUPER BOBO NA LANG ANG HINDI MAKAINTINDI NIYAN

        PITIFUL

      • jinx

         Itong si miss herbert david hirap paintindihin, ignorante pa rin…..may pa-pitiful-pitiful pa, bagay sa iyo yan.

      • txtman

        UY ANG TALINO MO DAW?

        PAKISABI MO NGA SA MADLANG PEOPLE
            
        ANG MAGNA CARTA OF WOMEN 2009?

        PAKISABI MO DIN MGA CURRENT
            PROGRAMS NG DOH

        PAKISABI MO DIN MGA SIDE-EFFECTS NG
           PILLS

        DARE

        I’M SURE HINDI MO KAYA

        KASI, PURO PANLILINLANG

        GINAGAWA NINYO SA TAONG MADLA

        PITIFUL

      • http://twitter.com/verjomar Verlito Ablin

        Ever since it is corruption that drives this country into what it is today and not population growth.

      • KapitanBagwis

        Huli ka sa balita sa America. Hindi mo nakita at supported ni Barack “amalayer” Obama ang abortion.

      • txtman

        KA INGGO

        ABORTION IN THE USA HAD BEEN LEGAL SINCE 1973

        THE PH HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH LAWS

        ANDYAN ANG MAGNA CARTA FOR WOMEN 2009

        PUNTA KA SA HEALTH CENTER

        NAMIMIGAY SILA MGA LIBRENG CONDOMS

        YUN NGA LANG HINDI FLAVORED

        PITIFUL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Ganun pala naman eh bakit tinututulan mo pa ang RH BIll. Ang dapat ikaw at ang simbahang katoliko ay ampunin ninyo ang mga batang nagkalat sa kalye para kayo makatulong sa pamahalaan. Katungkulan ng pamahalaan ang gawin ang makabubuti sa nakararami.

        Ang sinabi ko ay sinusupotahan ni Obama ang abortion.

      • txtman

        HINDI NA KITA PAPATULAN PA KAY OBAMA

        KAYA NGA

        WE DON’T NEED THE RH BILL

        BAKIT KAMO

        KASI NGA OBLIGADO KANG
           NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS NA BUMILI
           NG CONDOM PARA SA MGA HAYOK SA LAMAN

        YUN LANG YUN

        PITIFUL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Oo nga, di na rin kita papatulan..kc masyadong mabawbaw ang katwiran mo. Ok na sa iyo un.

      • txtman

        INENG, YOU DONT KNOW ME

        ISA AKO SA MGA TAONG MALAWAK ANG PANANAW

        A GOOD PERSON WILL NOT ONLY SEE THE PRESENT

        BUT ALSO ANTICIPATE THE DISTANT FUTURE

        NO TO MAS KILLING OF CHILDREN

        NO TO GAY MARRIAGE

        PITIFUL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Utoy nagbubuhat ka yata ng sarili mong bangko. Let others say you are a good man. That is not good breeding.

      • txtman

        KA INGGO, MADAMI NA NAGSABI NIYAN SA AKIN.

        WALA PA SIGURO NAGSABI SA IYO YAN

        PITIFUL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Utoy, wala pa ngang nagsabi sa akin na nagbubuhat ako ng sariling bangko.

      • KapitanBagwis

        Utoy, wala pa ngang nagsabi sa akin na nagbubuhat ako ng sariling bangko.

    • KapitanBagwis

      Magaling kang biznezman Mr txtman. Compare mo naman ang gastos ng gobyerno sa mga squatter na karaming anak walang ipakain. Di ka ba naawa sa mga batang nasa kalye ng madaling araw nagtitinda ng sampaguita at di mo alam kung nasaan ang mga magulang?

      • txtman

        THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS
              CONDUCIVE TO CREATE MORE JOBS

        MGA MAHIHIRAP

        WALANG PAKIALAM SA CONDOM

        CONCERN NILA ANG TRABAHO PARA KUMITA AT
             MAY PAMBILI NG PAGKAIN

        YAN ANG SAGOT

        JOBS

        NOT CONDOMS

        IF YOU WANT TO FEED THOSE CHILDREN

        IMBES NA BIBILI NG GOBYERNO NG CONDOMS PARA
            PARA IPAMUDMOD SA MGA BADINGAY

        GAMITIN NA LANG NILA ANG PERA PAMBILI NG PAGKAIN
             PARA SA MGA MAHIHIRAP

        GIVE THEM JOBS

        NOT CONDOMS

        PITIFUL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Jobs???? Of course jobs..wala na ngang jobs gusto mo pa lalong dumami ang maghahanap ng jobs.

      • txtman

        KASI NGA

        WALANG MAHIRAP, PAG WALANG CORRUPT

        PITIFUL

  • txtman

      >>>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH?

    1. FAMILY PLANNING – EO 119 & EO 102
    2. WOMEN'S HEALTH & SAFE MOTHERHOOD PROJECTS
    3. WOMEN & CHILDREN PROTECTION PROGRAMS

    SO, BAKIT PA KAILANGAN ANG RH BILL EH MERON NA NGA?

    SIMPLE LANG ANG SAGOT DYAN

    MONEY

    MONEY

    MONEY

    NOW, THE BUSINESSMEN HAVE SPOKEN

    HINDI RIN SILA NAKATIIS

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    KASI NGA NAMAN BIG BUCKS

    BUSINESSMEN DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU

    THEY CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY CAN GENERATE!

    USE YOUR BRAINS

    PITIFUL

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      we pitty you.

      • txtman

        TALAGA LANG HA

        BIG BUCKS?

        30 MILLION PACKS OF CONDOMS X 10 PESOS = 300 MILLIONS/DAY

        LEGAL JUETENG KA INGGO

        BABAHO NA MGA CR NIYAN

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I don’t.

        I’m mostly annoyed that once neanderthals like txtman are dragged, kicking and screaming, into modern times, they’re also going to benefit from the improved economy.

      • txtman

        IF YOU ARE REALLY A MODERN SPECIE OF HUMAN

        NASAAN ANG LOGICAL REASONING MO?

        WALA, PURO NAME CALLING LAMAN NG BUNGANGA MO

        NOW, GANYAN BA ANG ISANG HOMO sapien?

        NOPE

        YOU ARE ACTING MORE LIKE A HOMO erectus- a chimpanzee
             like creature.

        KAPALMUKS NAMAN NITONG UNGGOY NA ITO
            MAKIPAGDEBATE SA ISANG TAO

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Frankly, I’m not convinced you’re a human, as you can’t figure out something as simple as a caps lock.

        Oh, and your logic is really, really stupid.  Seriously.

      • txtman

        ANO DAW?

        HIRAP TALAGA INTINDIHIN ANG SINASABI NG
           ISANG CHIMPS

        ANO YUN ULIT?

        GUTOM KA?

        PARANG GUSTO MO

        ATA  NG ISANG MALAKING SAGING?

        ANO YUN?

        LOLLIPOP?

        HINDI?

        EH ANO BA TALAGA, GUSTO MO CHIMPS?

        AY SEE……….

        SAGING NA MAY CONDOM NA ILOLOLLIPOP MO

        AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI!

        ANG HALAY NAMAN NG UNGGOY NA ITO

        KANINONG, UNGGOY KA BA HA?

        TIGNAN KO NGA COLLAR MO?

        AHHHHHHH!

        UNGGOY KA NI PIA CAYETANO PALA EH

        KAYA NAMAN PALA

        LIKE MASTER, LIKE PETS

        AHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        He calls other people chimps and then he types like THAT.

        The irony.

      • txtman

        UUUYYYYYYY!

        MARUNONG PALANG MAGBASA ANG UNGGOY!

        HANEP!

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        By God, you are dumb.

  • speaksoftlylove

    Phil stocks falls + Decline inf foreign investments + Peso falls + Smuggling rise to 19.6 billion in PNoy’s two year reign per IMF Direction of Trade Statistics + Unemployment rise from 26% to 29% plus per SWS latest survey = “Rising Tiger of Asia.” Agree, Perfect!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Which has nothing to do with the RH Bill.

      That aside, you’re taking the worst bits, ignoring the best bits, and flat out making things up (no, the peso and stocks haven’t fallen, and in fact they’ve improved since P-Noy took power).  If you have to do all of those to criticize an administration, it’s probably time to reevaluate your opinion.

      Take your propaganda elsewhere, troll.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Pass the RH BILL

    • brunogiordano

      Pass the RH BILL!!

      Tama!!!

      Sama kaming lahat diyan.

  • txtman

    >>>>>>>>>>  ARE YOU DUMB?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    DOES ANYBODY KNOW RA 9710?

    KNOWN AS "AN ACT PROVIDING FOR THE MAGNA CARTA OF WOMEN 2009"?

    SIMPLY KNOW AS "MAGNA CARTA FOR WOMEN"?

    SECTION 17: WOMEN RIGHTS TO HEALTH
      ……… ADDRESS THE MAJOR CAUSES OF WOMEN'S MORTALITY & MORBIDITY.
      ………. THE DEMAND OF RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD..

    BATAS NA YAN NOONG 2009 PA

    SIGNED BY PRES. GLORIA ARROYO

    MAY BATAS NA & MAY MGA PROGRAMS NA

    BAKIT PA NILA SINUSULONG ANG RH?

    SIMPLE LANG KA INGGO

    GAMITIN ANG MGA KOKOTE

    PERA

    PERA

    PERA

    LANG YAN

    AYAN, NAGSALITA NA MGA BUSINESSMEN

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    ASIDE FROM THAT

    THE SLOWLY INTRODUCTION OF ABORTION & GAY MARRIAGE IN THE PH.

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

      >>>>>>>> WARNING<<<<<<<<<

    PILLS CAN CAUSE

    BREAST CANCERS

    ENDOMETRIAL CANCERS

    STROKE

    DEATH

    IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IT

    JUST TAKE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK

    PITIFUL

    • mucho_cheapo

      That’s a crock of Bull Excrement. Quit living under a ROCK. Women fromFirst World Countries have been taking Birth Control Pills since 1960 perhaps sooner with no noticeable side effects. Modern medicine is something you’re keenly unaware of.

      • txtman

        NO NOTICABLE SIDE-EFFECTS?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        HINDI BA ANG DAMING MAY CANCERS SA MGA KABABAIHAN?

        KA INGGA MANOOD KA SA US TV

        SABI DOON

        “DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAVE USED THIS KIND OF PILLS?

        IF YES, AND THEY HAVE STROKES OR THEY DIED YOU HAVE CLAIMS

        CALL THIS NUMBER OF LAWYERS & THEY WILL HELP YOU WITH YOUR
              CASE.”

        SABIHIN MO YAN SA MGA KABABAIHAN HA

        THEY SHOULD KNOW KUNG ANO INIINOM NILA

        PITIFUL

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Nabasa ko lahat ang yung comments. May palagay ako na ikaw ay isang bakla, nasabi ko ito dahil sa estilo ng iyong pananalita. Kung tama ang aking hinuha, ay naiintindihan ko na kung bakit malaki galit mo sa CONDOM.

    • Andre Mitchell

      nakagamit ka na ba ng pill?
      lakas naman ng loob mo magsalita sa isang bagay na wala kang alam.

      teka muna, di ba lalaki ka?
      bakit ka nakikialam sa isyu na pangkababaihan?

      • txtman

        BAKIT AKO NAKIKIALAM SA MGA USAPING PAGKABABAIHAN?

        SIMPLE LANG KA INGGA
         
        I LOVE WOMEN & MOST SPECIALLY THE HELPLESS UNBORN

        WALA AKONG ALAM?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        PILLS CAN CAUSE

        BREAST CANCERS

        ENDOMETRIAL CANCERS

        LIVER CANCERS

        OVARIAN CANCERS

        STROKES

        DEATHS

        IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT

        JUST TAKE IT

        JUST LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THE DANGERS OF PILLS

        BAKIT AYAW NINYONG MALAMAN NILA YAN?

        KASI LILIIT ANG KITA NINYO?

        PITIFUL

      • napali808

        I don’t know where you’re getting your info. I have lived here in NA for 40 yrs. and almost all women here uses birth control pills, because an average couple here can’t afford to have more than 2 kids.

        I think you are writing these senseless comments, because you’re so bored stiff with your pathetic life. I really feel sorry for you.

      • Andre Mitchell

        ikaw naman, nakabasa ka lang ng ilan literature on pills, madami ka na agad alam….

        balik tayo sa tanong, nakagamit ka na nga ba ng pills at nagmamaalam ka?

    • tekateka

      ignorant idi-ot!  Poor, Uneducated, Homeless, Squatters produce criminals and murderers, rapists, holduppers, pickpockets and are menace to society…  

      • littlesoulxv

        nakalimutan mong bangitin ang sarili mo…sorry sa paalala

      • txtman

        BAKIT KAYA MGA PRO-RH

        AYAW IPAALAM SA MGA MADLANG PEOPLE

        MGA SIDE-EFFECTS NG PILLS?

        PILLS CAN CAUSE

        BREAST CANCERS

        ENDOMETRIAL CANCERS

        STROKE

        DEATHS

        SABI NGA SA MGA TELEVISIONS SA UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

        “DID YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAVE A STROKE OR DIED FROM
                USING YAZ, YAZMIN PILLS?

        IF YES, YOU CAN HAVE CLAIM, BECAUSE PILLS ARE KNOWN TO
             CAUSE STROKE & DEATHS. ”

        THAT IS THE TRUTH

        NGAYON, SINO ANG IGNORANT IDIOT?

        DEFINITELY NOT ME, KA INGGO

        PITIFUL

  • AllaMo

    Biz groups oughter make it a threefer. And, advocate for the FOI and Anti-DieNasties bills. Then, they can also lend their clout to having the ampatuan(Pwe)-murders, trial of the century, aired on live telly.

  • napali808

    Bishops, Enrile, Sotto and other hypocrites in the senate and congress THE JIG IS UP!! You know that the majority of Filipinos want the RH Bill to pass. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

    hindi na talaga mapipigilan yan. sorry na lang sa mga religiots.

  • Htee

    Wala namang dapat ikakatakot ang RC Church kahit maipasa ang RH BILL nayan. Tulad ng mga muslims, iglesias, saksi atbp., pagsinabi ng simbahan nila bawal kumain ng ganito o ganire, sinusunod nila. Pwede ring sabihin ng RC CHURCH na bawal gumamit o sumunod sa nilalaman ng RH BILL, palagay ko marami ding sarado katoliko na susunod. Bakit hindi nalang gayahin ng RC church ang ibang relihiyon na tahimik at di nakikialam sa pangangasiwa ng gobierno? Dahil ba kaya hindi matibay ang paniniwala ng mga nasasakupan nila sa kanila? Sa ibang relihiyon bale wala sa kanila kung maipasa yang BILL na yan o hindi dahil maytiwala sila sa mga sakop nila. Ito namang RCC, kailangan pa ang batas ng gobierno para mapasunod nila ang mga tupa nila. Suma tutal, may diperensya ang pagtuturo ng mga pari sa mga parokyano nila at hindi lang nila inaamin dahil masakit aminin ito.
    Kung hindi nila mapapasunod ang mga parokyano nila sa pamamagitan ng sampalataya, dadaanin nila sa pagmamanipula ng batas ng bansa. Walang pinagkaibahan sa sinaunang mga ubispo na gagamitin ang impluwensya nila sa hari upang sila ay masunod.
    Kailangang maputol na ang siste nilang ito dahil 21st century na. Panahon na upang tumayo ang RCC sa sarili nilang mga paa at kung hindi naman ay wala silang karapatang magsabi na sila ang pinakadakilang relihiyon sa mundo, na sila ang tunay na relihiyon.
    Nagagawa ng ibang relihiyon ito…magagawa din dapat ng RCC.

  • tadasolo

    We are seeing finally the actions of influential organizations and individuals to bear on the approval of the RH Bill. The approval may not happened this year but eventually it will. The longer the wait for the RH Bill approval the worst it will be for the church itself becomming irrelevant in today’s contemporary society. It is inevitable that sometime in the future religion as we know today will be meaningless

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

      Religion means relation with God.

      Do you mean to say you want a God-less society?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_26BA6W344SPNT7SP3PLACAGXBI Blue_Crimson

        @yahoo-PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q:disqus : I would rather have a humane, rational society than a society full of religiots.

    • txtman

      NOW WE ARE TALKING

      FINALLY, THE REAL HEADS OF RH COME OUT

      BIG BUCKS!

      30 MILLION PACKS OF CONDOMS X 10 PESOS = 300 MILLIONS/DAY

      WOW, TALO PA ANG JUETENG

      SINO KAYA ANG KASAMA SA CONDOM PAYOLA DYAN?

      PITIFUL

    • joshua kings

      you can never put the catholic church down…the church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ bestowing on st peter the honor of being the rock on which our Lord builds His church.
      todosolo doesn’t what he is talking about.

  • brunogiordano

    Tama si Pia Cayetano, na ilan senador at congressmen na nagsusulong ng “War on women”.

    Mga BABAE-HATERS!!!!

    ‘Wag iboto ang mga ito at kanilang mga kapamilya na kakandidato sa darating na election.

    • txtman

      WAR ON WOMEN?

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      HELLO????

      REMEMBER THE “MAGNA CARTA FOR WOMEN 2009″?

      READ THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OF DOH

      WALA KA KASING ALAM KASI

      HINDI KA EXPOSED SA MGA GAWAIN SA DOH

      PITIFUL

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        Said programs are subject to the whims of local government. For instance, while contraceptives are available in drug stores, what’s stopping self-righteous louts like Lito Atienza from banning them based on his Anti-Choice stance?

        Implementing the RH Bill ensures that the services we provide women won’t be as susceptible to religiously-motivated meddling. 

  • tekateka

    Bravo! Bravo! One of the Good News This Year!!!

  • jinx

    Naku, matutorete si Lito Lapid nito. Tiyak kukonsulta ito sa albularyo.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

    Short term benefits due to RH are what these so called businesses are interested in but based on the experience of developed countries today, they now suffer the long term destructive effects of RH on their economies due to their decreasing and ageing population where less and less workers are supporting their increasing number of retirees. This is excluding their increasing number of destroyed families and more comfort seeking constituents.. As a matter of fact Philippines and India due to their big, young and dynamic population have become the two new tiger economies of the world! Now the big businesses are for RH??? How many of them are somehow connected to the International Planned Parenthood Federation which controls the multi billion dollar industry of contraceptive manufacturing and selling??? Greed really knows no limits!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Aaaaaand here comes the lunatic fringe.

      To all that: no.  Just no.

      Listen to yourself: that’s just insane.

      • txtman

        >>>>>>>> PROBLEM<<<<<<<<

        THE ECONOMISTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TODAY

        SAID THAT THE POPULATION GROWTH IN THE USA IS FASTER
             THAN ITS ECONOMIC GROWTH

        THAT IS WHY, THERE ARE NOW MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR

        THE US ECONOMISTS & US GOVERNMENT NEVER SAID
              TO ITS PEOPLE SPECIALLY TO THE LATINO TO LIMIT
              THEIR CHILDREN OR START USING CONTRACEPTIVES MORE

        WHAT THE US GOVERNMENT IS SAYING IS

        THE POPULATION GROWTH IS NOT THE PROBLEM

        THE PROBLEM IS HOW TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY
             TO CREATE MORE GOOD JOBS

        SIMPLE HINDI BA?

        JOBS

        NOT CONDOMS ANG SAGOT DYAN

        BY THE WAY, WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR THE SEXUAL PLEASURES
            OF OTHERS?

        BUMILI SILA NG SARILI NILANG CONDOMS

        YUN LANG YUN

        NOW, SINO NGAYON ANG LUNATIC CONDOM HEAD?

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Have we not established that you’re a lunatic who doesn’t know how to use his caps lock yet?

      • txtman

        WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE

        TO TELL ME

        HOW I SHOULD WRITE?

        EXCUSE ME

        YAN ANG ALAM NG MGA PRO-RH

        NAME CALLING

        DEMONIZING, MGA KONTRA SA KANILA

        PITIFUL NA CREATURE

      • napali808

         Jose makes a lot of sense and you don’t. You just don’t see it because you’re mentally challenged.

      • txtman

        MENTALLY CHALLANGE?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        KAYA PALA MAGANDA POSITION KO

        IKAW, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

        YOU JUST DON’T SEE MY LOGIC KASI
            BIASED KA NA

        PITIFUL

      • sanjuan683

        hahahahahahaha talo na kayo mag-siuro na kayo. Wala naman kayo maipapakain sa daming ng populasyon walang trabaho, daming mga magnanakaw, snatching, kidnapping, drug mule at iba pa kriminal na nagkalat sa tabi-tabi naghahanap ng bibiktimahin dahil walang trabaho sobra populasyon. Nagpapaniwala ka kasi sa mga inutil na paring Damaso na wala naman kotribusyon sa lipunan. Ayaw ninyo tumanggap ng katwiran tulad ng bossing ninyo si tito Sotto nagprivileged speech pa kahit na kinopya kay Kennedy yun sinabi. Nahaharap tuloy kayo sa kahihiyan. hahahaha itaas na ninyo yun bandera puti.

      • txtman

        I CANNOT SEE YOUR LOGIC

        WHY THEY SHOULD PASS THE BILL

        KILLING PEOPLE IS NOT THE ANSWER

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’m not telling you how to write, I’m just observing that you’re too dumb to turn off your caps lock,

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VKXUKFOID3EPNFDJRKSG2TQ5IE Rex

         Galit ka? o sira ang keyboard mo, palitan mo muna yan.

      • sanjuan683

        Bakit mo sinasali yun problema sa US.  Hindi ka naman Amerikano at saka problema na nila yun huag kana makisawsaw sa problema ng ibang bansa. Sampung anak sa isang pinggan kanin hahahahaha isip-isip ka naman papaano mo bubuhayin yun sampung bata. Gagawin mo lang sila magnanakaw, killer, snatcher, drug mule at anak ng jueteng. Mag-isip-isip kayo mga paring Damaso at ikaw na rin.

      • txtman

        QUESTION

        HOW CAN YOU FEED YOU KIDS?

        YOU NEED TO HAVE A GOOD JOB

        MASKI KUKUNTI ANAK MO KA INGGO

        KUNG WALA KA NAMAN JOB

        WALANG KWENTA

        POOR PEOPLE DONT CARE PILLS & CONDOMS

        THEY CARE ABOUT THE NEXT FOOD TO SERVE
             FOR THEIR FAMILY

        IN ORDER TO DO THAT

        THEY NEED TO HAVE JOBS

        BAKIT

        SINO BA ANG MAY GUSTONG MAGING MASAMA?

        MAG-ISIP-ISIP KA NAMAN

        MASYADO MO NAMAN MINAMALIIT MGA MAHIHIRAP

        HINDI PORKE MAY PERA KAYO

        ALALAHANIN MO KA INGGA

        KUNG HINDI DAHIL SA TAONG TAONG KINKOTYA MO

        WALANG PAGKAIN SA HARAP MO

        PITIFUL

      • xrisp

        Listen to your conscience and not to your intelligence(?).

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        At least you’re honest in admitting that you lot have basically abandoned intelligence in favor of fanaticism.

      • xrisp

        That’s a wrong equation please: Conscience is not equal to fanaticism. Intelligence may be!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Nope, it’s quite correct.  Fanatics don’t really have consciences, and you lot are certainly fanatics.

    • superpilipinas

      Exactly. Countries like Singapore and Norway are now trying to increase their population but it has become irreversible. Immigrants are now taking advantage and locals are gradually becoming the minority in their own land. Now even China sees the problem and is relaxing their one-child police but they also are in trouble since they have built a generation with a culture of abortion especially of female babies and even those with slight defects.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        The Philippines is SO far away from a demographic winter that it’s really not worth talking about.

      • tamumd

        Singaporeans and Norwegians are the minority in their own country? Are you kidding me? Amazing how the catholic minions love to use hyperbole just to support their claims even to the point of outright lying!

      • sanjuan683

        hahahahaha problema na ng China yun kung ano ang gusto nila pamamalakad huag ka makisawsaw sa bansa nila. Hindi ka naman tsekua. hahahahaha

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        So your logic is to endanger more of our women by denying them the ability make an informed choice. 

        It’s their kid to raise. Not yours. Stop making that decision for them. 

      • Guest

         Following your logic, Nigeria and Bangladesh must be better off now.

    • sanjuan683

      hahahahaha Tanggapin na natin contraceptive business yan  eh yun business ng simbahan mo hindi mo nakikita. Kaya kayo nagkakaganyan dahil apektado ang business ng simbahan ninyo hihina ang binyag at kunpil hihina ang kita. Siyempre walang bata wala binyag at kunpil. hahahaha yan ang katotoanan diyan. One sided kayo gusto ninyo kayo lang ang kumita.

  • joerizal

    Great, start castrating them once the bill passes into law.

  • just_anotherperson

    “Romulo, chairman of the Zuellig Family Foundation”
    Self-explanatory

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Anti-RH Zombie logic:

      If someone is anti-RH: Oh, he MUST be doing so because he honestly believes in the cause.

      If someone is pro-RH: HE IS EVIL!!!! BAYARAN LANG YAN!!!!  ARGHARGHARGHARGHL!!!!!!!!

      Frankly, if we’re talking about people profiting, the Church will likely make more money in the future if the RH Bill doesn’t pass, as there’ll be a smaller population, and generally, well educated people are less likely to be as devout.  So why aren’t you criticizing the CBCP for being greedy, you sniveling hypocrite?

      • jinx

        Tama….pero bakit si Ate Glo hindi binibida ng mga anti-RH? Numero unong kontra yun a?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/U5XZ7DG3V4IM5BX3ZX5GTPDTU4 cane-juice

        Because she lies, frequently.

        Who would want a LIAR as an ENDORSER…?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Diba binida nila dati, nung may sinabi siya kontra RH?

        CBCP = mga pokpok.  Kung mabuhay ulit si Hitler and magsalita laban RH, bibidahin nila.

      • xrisp

        Why dont youu talk personally with the CBCP and learn.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        From what I’ve heard of there comments, they have nothing to teach.

    • Guest

      You mean, being rich, good smelling is bad and being poor with bad body odor is good at default?

  • joshua kings

    1. their (big business) god is mammon….and tothink some of their leaders and members are members of catholic-christian organizations like the ligaya, bcbp, couple for Christ, BLD, etc…what a hypocrisy.
    2. cayetano has her moral values disjointed; she talks of women’s rights and lives; what about those of the unborn?  she is a liar if she purports herself to be a Christian…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      When everyone who knows anything about business, or economics, says that it would be a good thing for the economy, it would take a complete lunatic to think otherwise based solely off the opinions of some old men who’ve spent their entire lives studying a 2000 year old book. And if you think that even though it would be great for the economy, it shouldn’t be done because the Church says so, then you’re literally a pile of manure.

      Oh, and YOU do not define my religion.  I am a Catholic, and I don’t follow the CBCP like a zombie.  I’ve thought about this, and I believe people were given brains to USE them, not to mindlessly follow others.  Those who think that being a member of a religion means mindlessly following the leaders of said religion are the scum of the earth, and it’s people like you who are responsible for so much of the pain and suffering of the world.

      Other people have different ideals and opinions than you, and your opinions aren’t necessarily superior.  The sooner you grow the hell up and realize that, the sooner you’ll understand why you’re acting like an idiot.

  • superpilipinas

    DECEPTION. Pure and simple.

    They say big businesses…..but these are not big businesses. They are representatives of business associations. These representatives are usually politically affiliated or associated.

    It would be credible if they said for example….Cebu Pacific, or San Miiguel Corp, or Nestle, etc.
    But no, they are so desperate that they had to solicit the support of the representatives of business associations. I doubt the real businesses would come out in the open and risk the wrath of Catholics.

    Ayala wasn’t in that meeting. SM was also not. Lucio wasn’t there. He-he-he.

    Zuellig of course, a pharma, would endorse it. Condom manufacturers would surely do.

    • dickenhead

      “risk the wrath of the catholics”?after what the priest & bishops done to disservice the church is there such a thing? most of those in favor of the RH bill are the catholic. Stop deceiving please

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. Dream on.

        They want to deceive so they can convince congress people by bribery. But it’s futile.

        Those who favor RH are Non-Catholics. Keep that in mind. A Catholic follows Catholic teachings and it’s that simple.

      • tamumd

        Well in your dreamed up catholic world “all catholics follow catholic teachings” but the reality is..they don’t! And that’s the truth! Plain and simple. lol

      • txtman

        AND MOST OF THE ANTI-RH ARE CATHOLICS

        SYEMPRE, KASI NGA MORE THAN 80% OF THE PINOYS ARE CATHOLICS

        WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

        TANGA!

        SABI NGA NILA

        PARATING MAY BUGOK

        IM SURE THE ANTI-RH ARE NOT

        DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?

        PITIFUL

      • dickenhead

        hehehe father pag napasa ang RH bill expect ko na mag suicide ka na lang

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Hey look!  Someone doesn’t know how business clubs work!

      Let’s take, for example, the Makati Business Club.  The club would not make a decision like this without consulting it’s board, correct?  Well, let’s take a look at that board, and pick out some key names.

      Jaime Zobel de Ayala II, Chairman & CEO: Ayala Corp.
      Aurelio Montinola, President and CEO, Bank of the Philippine Islands

      Tony Tan Caktiong, Chairman and CEO, Jollibee Foods Corporation

      So that’s three CEOs of three of the biggest corporations in the country.

      But oh, look!

      Lance Y. Gokongwei, President and CEO, Cebu Air, Inc.

      Cebu Air being the owner of Cebu Pacific.  So I guess it’s credible now, eh?

      So what have we learned?  Don’t make stupid comments when you don’t know what’s going on, because people on the internet can and WILL make you look like an idiot.

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. Let them speak for themselves!….oh but wait,,,they won’t.

        Why? It will not do them any good. Common sense. Just like it will not do the congress people any good….and that’s why they don’t wnat to vote….

        He-he-he. You don’t get it.. even as Gonzalez had already spelled it out to everyone.

        So your very intelligent….he-he-he….or just a plain hopeless believer of RH.
        Anyway….RH is still trash in the last 14 years….good luck in the next 14 years.

        GO FOI!

        RH? pffft…he-he-he

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        So you have apparently decided to ignore basic logic and general science and go for ignorance.

        Whenever I talk to people like you, I get the depressing feeling that the Philippines deserves to be poor.  When something is so obviously good for the economy, and for lifting the poor out of poverty, and you people like you come out against it, and stonewall it because of some old white men in Rome, it seriously makes me wonder whether or not loving my country is worth the stress.

        So yes, there is a possibility that the RH Bill won’t pass for the next decade or so.  That doesn’t affect me, that affects the country, and the fact that you take glee in people’s continued poverty is just really really sad.

        Oh, and I forgot: BARADO KA.

      • xrisp

        What si the first objective of businesses? Simple, of course – money, money and more money.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Businesses are run by people.  In this case, Filipinos.

        Filipinos who love their country, and want it to get better.

  • andrew lim

    1. This is the way to go in case RH doesnt pass. The private sector can take the lead, with local govt officials who understand RH supporting them. (like Rudy Duterte).

    2.  Catholic officials dont know much about economics or business. Generally speaking, countries where Catholicism have become dominant are much less developed than non-Catholic dominated ones and corruption levels are much higher.

    (see Transparency International Corruption Index and GDP per country/ list of sizes of Catholic population per country)

    • txtman

      TALAGA LANG HA

      SO, INAAMIN MO NA MAHIRAP ANG PINAS DAHIL SA CORRUPTION

      TAMA SI PENOY

      WALANG MAHIRAP, KUNG WALANG CORRUPT

      EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT

      99.99999999% OF MAYORS ARE CORRUPT

      99.99999999% OF GOVERNORS ARE CORRUPT

      99.99999999% OF CONGRESSMEN ARE CORRUPT

      NASAAN ANG OMBUDSMAN?

      AYUN, NATUTULOG SA KANGKONGAN

      JOBS INENG

      JOBS

      PITIFUL

      • andrew lim

        totoo, mahirap ang pilipinas dahil sa corruption.

        pero ang tanong ko naman:  sa tagal na ng simbahang Katoliko dito (700+ years), sa dami ng naitayong simbahan at eskwelahang Katoliko, at sa laki ng boses ng CBCP sa pulitika, bakit matindi pa rin ang korapsyon?

        Diba Katoliko ang 99.9999% ng mga opisyales na sinasabi mo?

      • txtman

        INENG, MAGPALIT MAN SILA NG RELIHIYON

        KUNG CORRUPT SILA

        CORRUPT PA RIN SILA

        BAKIT AKALA MO BA HINDI MATAAS ANG CORRUPTION SA USA?

        YOU MUST BE KIDDING KA INGGO

        DO NOT BLAME THE CHURCH

        QUESTION

        KUNG NAGNAKAW ANG ANAK MO

        SISISIHIN MO BA ANG KANYANG RELIHIYON?

        ONLY A VERY STUPID & A SUPER BOBO PERSON WILL DO THAT

        DO YOU BELONG TO THAT GROUP?

        JUST WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN

        I AM 100% SURE

        PITIFUL

      • andrew lim

        Go to Transparency Intl Corruption Index and look at the list of countries and their corruption levels, para may numbers ang usapan natin, di puro all caps na walang ka torya torya

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Nagrurunong-runungan ka lang. Hindi ganyan karami ang mayor, governor at congressman sa Pilipinas. Tingnan mo mo yung nilagay mong 9 pagkatapos ng period. PITIFUL.

    • napali808

      It’s a flawed institution anyways. It is run by arrogant, short sighted, egoistic, power hungry bishops. Just look at all the countries that are dominated by these people, they’re all poor and corrupt.

  • Micashan

    Now, Sotto would say, RH is supported by the elitists.
    Now that is not entirely un-counterintuitive. It has a sweet appeal , as an underdog,elicits sympathy, and support especially voters, coming from the 76% of the population, via the noontime show, that has been running for (2?) decades.

    Amazing, and it is perfectly legal.

    • txtman

      MASYADO MO NAMAN MINAMALIIT M YUNG 76% NA BOMOTO KAY
           TITO SEN

      TAWAG DYAN

      MATAPOBRE

      YAN ANG TUNAY NA KULAY NG MGA PRO-RH

      MGA MATAPOBRE

      PITIFUL

      • PandaGamer

        Ang sinasabi ko, the 76% deserve a better leader, hindi ung iniinganyo sa eat bulaga!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      All that aside, it’s a sad sad situation when being supported by the elite, people who are the best in their fields, is a bad thing.

      I mean hey, let’s ignore people who have spent their lives studying these things and take the word of some old dude who’s spent his life studying how to conduct a mass instead!  I bet HE’S better at deciding what effects public policy changes would have!

      If it didn’t affect my country it’d be hilarious/

  • superpilipinas

    It’s called deception and corruption. He-he-he. Very obvious.

    They can’t convince congress people who are afraid to vote. So they entice them by deception saying businesses with money will support them if they vote.

    Instead of going all out to push for FOI bill which will have tremendous benefits to the country, they push the RH joke.

    Filipinos are united on FOI but divided on RH.

    • boypalaban

       sad fact is….may mga uto-uto sa RH Bill…gaya ng iilan dito na nagpo-post ng komento..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4C2SFYIH52Y2KR7QPZPHJO2XQQ sl1

    The problem with those against the RH bill is there double standard mentality. They allow gambling,prostitution and many sort of vices in the society but they never rally against it religiously to address these problems. Instead, they accept donations coming from the proceed of gambling operation. While the purpose of RH bill is to address the health welfare of women and the country’s benefit in general . Are they really after the welfare of our country or there is something behind?

    • txtman

      WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR THE SEXUAL PLEASURES OF OTHERS?

      ABA, BUMILI SILA NG SARILI NILANG MGA CONDOMS

      GUSTO NILA MAGPARAOS, EH DI BUMILI SILA

      PITIFUL

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        Your crass selfishness and lack of concern for our women is noted. Now let me ask you: Do you even pay taxes? 

        Troll.

    • boypalaban

       “While the purpose of RH bill is to address the health welfare of women and the country’s benefit in general.”

      ayos,kumbinsidong kumbinsido sa mga pang-uuto ng mga magnanakaw na tongressmen, senatong at mga balahurang pulitiko at magnanakaw na mga opisyal ng gobyerno…

      congrats…isa kang tapat na disipulo…

  • superpilipinas

    He-he-he. If they remove any reference to contraceptives and artificial bith control, the bill will pass tomorrow.

    Anyway, why should tax money be spent on people fffcking around? He-he-he. If they don’t have money, let them control themselves and wait for the right time. Ano sila sinuswerte?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      It’s nice of you to admit that you have no valid argument against the bill other than your own base greed.

  • PeteJrfern

    President Aquino should lead in passing RH bill.  Corruption and irresposible reproduction/parenting  and dalawang malaking hadlang sa pag unlad nang Philippines.

    • txtman

      ANO SABI NI PENOY?

      “WALANG MAHIRAP, PAG WALANG CORRUPT!”

      PITIFUL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JE7N7OH2CEUMDTVXRCFXGMXRM Lord Nelson

    The only way to know whether our church leaders are right in their stand on RH bill is to search for ourselves His Word and ask for wisdom. Look at what happened when Christ came 2000 years ago. The priests didnt receive him and his teachings and the people blindly followed them to the point of crucifying Him. Let us not make the same mistake for we are not robots.

    • txtman

      HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

      YOU COMPARE THE RH BILL TO THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS?

      SUS MARIOSEP

      NEXT OUTRIGHT ABORTION

      THEN GAY MARRIAGE

      SINO BA ANG ROBOTS?

      DEFINITELY, NOT US

      PITIFUL

    • boypalaban

       pumunta ba si Hesus para mamigay ng condom?

  • GMMTC11

    The more people are hungry and poor the more they cling to their religious belief. Very simple reason why the catholic hierarchy contravene on the RH Bills passage.

    • txtman

      PILLS CAN CAUSE

      BREAST CANCERS

      ENDOMETRAIL CANCERS

      STROKE

      DEATHS

      IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A RISK

      JUST TAKE IT

      • GMMTC11

        The United States has a very strict law and they penalize the manufacturer heavily if found guilty, however, I found it ironic that they are using it and I didn’t even hear any complain. Sometimes we use our ignorance as a cover for our hypocrisy. 

      • JuanTamadachi

        good one..

  • INQ_reader

    “A large population means a large economic base and a large consumer base,” he said
    Not necessarily. If the large population does not have disposable income, then it’s no better than a small population with huge disposable income.

    • txtman

      PILLS CAN CAUSE

      BREAST CANCERS

      ENDOMETRAIL CANCERS

      STROKE

      DEATHS

      IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A RISK

      THEN TAKE IT

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        May nakalimutan ka pa, yung naging side effect sa iyo, bat hindi mo binanggit,nahihiya ka no ! ! !

      • INQ_reader

        Where in my argument did I mention pills? Your comment is irrelevant. Besides, you did not mention your basis.

  • superpilipinas

    Let’s unite for FOI bill!  Pass it NOW!

    RH bill? ahhhhhh…..pass it in 2030.

    • txtman

      NO TO THE HOSPICE CARE LAW

      LALONG MAGIGING KAWAWA MGA KABABAYAN NATIN NIYAN

  • txtman

    NO TO HOSPICE CARE LAW IN THE PHILIPPINES

    HINDI NA NATIN KAILANGAN YAN

    LALONG MAGIGING KAWAWA ANG MGA KABABAYAN NATIN

    MAMAMATAY NA LANG SILA NA MGA DILAT ANG KANILANG MGA MATA

    PITIFUL

    • angtangamo

       It provides help/care for the terminally ill in the latter stages of
      their life. It’s not euthanasia. Ano pala ang gusto mong gawin sa isang
      tao pag wala na syang pag asa na gumaling? Anong gusto mong gawin ng
      pamilya nya? gumastos ng gumastos sa pag gamot hanggang sa ma bankarote?
      boplaks ka talaga kahit kailan.

  • txtman

    NO TO HOSPICE CARE LWA IN THE PHILIPPINES

    THE MODERN EUTHANSIA

    HINDI NA NATIN KAILANGAN YAN

    • napali808

      You don’t have any inkling on how a hospice works. Do some research before you start writing stupid comments like this.

      • txtman

        ANO YUN?

        AKO PA

        INENG, ALAM NA ALAM KO ANG HOSPICE CARE

        THE PHILIPPINES IS NOT YET READY FOR THAT

        LALONG MAMAMATAY LANG NA DILAT NG MGA MATA ANG PINOY DYAN

        BAKIT KAMO

        GANITO MANGYAYARI DYAN

        A STUPID & LAZY DOCTOR WILL JUST SAY TO A POOR PATIENT

        WALA NA PAG-ASA YAN IUWI NA NINYO

        SAYANG LANG ANG MGA GAMOT

        SAYANG LANG ANG PUNDO NG GOBYERNO

        HINDI BALE MAY DADALAW NAMAN SA INYO?

        MAY DADALAW BA TALAGA?

        NI KULANG NA NGA NG PONDO

        YAN ANG MANGYAYARI

        THE SAD PART IS, IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL

        WALANG KASO KUNG HINDI KA GINAMOT SA HOSPITAL

        PITIFUL

      • http://twitter.com/akongednamzug akongednamzug

        Hindi mo alam ang katagang hospice care. Kung alam mo hospice care, basahin mo ulit ang mga pinagsasabi mo. Palagay ko kasama ka sa uri ng tao na sinasabing mas mabilis ang bunganga kaysa sa kanyang utak. PITIFUL

    • angtangamo

      It provides help/care for the terminally ill in the latter stages of their life. It’s not euthanasia. Ano pala ang gusto mong gawin sa isang tao pag wala na syang pag asa na gumaling? Anong gusto mong gawin ng pamilya nya? gumastos ng gumastos sa pag gamot hanggang sa ma bankarote? boplaks ka talaga kahit kailan.

  • Ron Larus, Jr.

    The Catholic Church in the Philippines, the strongest oppositor of the RH Bill, should do something for the poorest of the poor in terms of feeding them and providing some shelter, and not just promise them the heaven after death.  I consider myself a Catholic, but I admire the authorities of the Iglesia ni Cristo for their concern over the plight of the domestic helpers most of whom come from the provinces and have no one to look after them in Metro Manila and other urban cities where they are forced to find employment.  The INC concienciously monitors the whereabouts of their flock by sending their representatives to the addresses of the domestic helpers whenever they are noted absent in their services. Are the authorities of the Catholic Church in the Philippines doing similar services for their poor faithfuls? What do they do with the billions of pesos they collect annually aside from remitting a fixed percentage to the Vatican?

    • abner

       ang dapat inaayos ang mga hospital.. ang serbisyo sa hospital hindi ang pagbili ng condom….sayang naman ang buwis ko kung gagamitin lang ng iresponsableng gagamit ng condom..na nakaka kanser.

      • wawangpenoy

         Hindi naman kasi kinakain ang condom eh. Ikaw naman, Gusto mo pa bang espelengin ko kung paano ginagamit ang condom para di ka makanser?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Reynaldo-Quijada/100000740291153 Reynaldo Quijada

      Mag INC ka. Wala namang makapipigil sa yo. Di mo nga alam ang pinagagawa ng Simbahang Katoliko para sa mga mahihirap!!!

    • joshua kings

      you do not know what your are talking about; so keep your mouth shut.

    • boypalaban

       alam mo ba yung caritas manila? ampon sa don bosco? scholars pati mga muslim sa mindanao…mga bahay ampunan, home for the aged etc…na pinapatakbo ng catholic church?

      kung di mo alam, mas marami pa pala akong alam sa yo kahit di ako katoliko…

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        If they’re so generous, why don’t they open up ADMU, La Salle, and UST to the poor at affordable tuition prices? 

      • boypalaban

         bakit di mo tanungin mga scholar diyan…tsaka hindi lang yan ang catholic schools…galing akong mindanao, at di ako katoliko pero alam ko na maraming muslim na nag-aaral sa mga catholic schools sa maguindanao, sulu, tawi-tawi,etc…yung iba di na nga nakakabayad…tanungin mo mga taga sulu o sino diyan sa ARMM na dating mahirap na gumanda buhay kung saang school sila nag-aral..

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      They use the money collected from the faithfuls to support ‘Runaway Priests’ project, which showed how Catholic Church sends sex abusers abroad.

      Google for Rev.
      Cristobal Garcia and Rev.
      Fernando Sayasaya and you’ll understand.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    I think there is now a force countering CBCP. The bishops’ threats not to support pro-RH re-electionists should be countered by big business by not donating to the campaign kitty of those anti-RH.

    Big business is proactive by trying to help the government alleviate poverty while the RC church is a hypocrite that’s trying to drag the country back to the dark ages.

    PASS THE RH BILL NOW!!

    • superpilipinas

      Ha-ha-ha. Now that’s one way to do it. Bribe congress people.

      Maybe that will work….or not.

      Man they’re becoming so desperate. Bribery?

      PASS THE FOI BILL NOW!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        You’re blind to reality if you don’t know till now that politicians depend much on donations from businessmen. Even in the U.S. that’s a common and accepted practice. Try to research so that you won’t look so naive.

    • abner

       bakit takot si noynoy na ipasa ang FOI BILL dahil siya ang nasa administrasyon?? dahil ayaw nya macheck??

    • boypalaban

       government trying to alleviate poverty? o government finding new ways for corruption?

  • d2yan

    “If there were 30 million less Filipinos, I can assure you that we would have a budget surplus instead of a budget deficit,” Diokno said.

    Benjamin Diokno was the BUDGET SECRETARY during the Estrada Administration.  You want to know his performance?

    I got this from WIKI – “The growing budget deficit was of large concern during Diokno’s tenure, with the National Economic and Development Authority director citing it as the government’s biggest problem.[8] The government ended 1999 with a budget deficit of P114 billion, overshooting its target of P101 billion which had previously been increased from an original target of P68.4 billion.[9] The government missed its target by a far wider margin the next year, set an original deficit target of P62.5 billion for 2000, yet occurring a full-year deficit of P130 billion.[9][10] This is higher than the P126.5 billion “worst case scenario” figure from the International Monetary Fund.[11]”

    And here’s the GREATEST IRONY – During Diokno’s helm our population was at 30 MILLION LESS FILIPINOS! he he he…sorry…

    Diokno was a former budget secretary who talked that budget deficits are caused by POPULATION.  That is why he can’t control budget deficits.

  • bgcorg

    “You cannot serve both God and mammon.”  With a fundamental option, man has to choose God, diametrically opposed, however, to the values of the world.  The Church is a living sign of contradiction because the values she represent are not secular or temporal, so that people can hate her, call her names, malign the Bishops, etc. The Church can only teach, show people the way to sacrifice and to abandon sin and to live according to the gospel message of obedience, love and fidelity to the teachings of the Church.  The response of man is his option; whether to live according to such teachings and walk the way of the cross, suffer death, in obedience to the demands of his faith, but rise up with Christ on the last day.  There is more than just obeying the commandments or just paying lip service to Christian discipleship.  “If you want to be perfect,” the savior of the world invites us to do more, “go, sell what you have and give to the poor. Then come, follow me.” Many are called, indeed, but only few are chosen.  The values of the world are not the values of Christ: big business has chosen an option different from the values of the gospel, electing to “rationalize” and hope everything will turn out right, only because God is a forgiving God.  In this world, they have chosen to follow the mammon, not become a faithful disciple of Christ. Denying Christ is costly, in terms of the call of man to eternal bliss.  By obedience to the Church, however, man assures himself to remain in the vine that gives life.  “Remain in me… I am the vine, you are the branches.” Unless we fall to the earth and die, we cannot bear fruit a hundredfold.

    It is clear that big businesses suspend followership of Christ, hope that everything will turn alright and use, in the meantime, the poor as a reason to promote condoms and artificial contraception in total disrespect of life, the Natural Law, skirting their true objectives as profit concerns.  It is not wrong to inform; but, to inform with the slant to use artificial means of contraception because “we feel you need it,” is totally to escape realism.  What the poor need are jobs, education, opportunities to be productive, sustainable industries, needed infrastructures free from corruption, NOT CONDOMS AND CONTRACEPTIVES!

    If the quality of life of people were raised by meeting the needs of the poor adequately, parents would both be gainfully employed so that both ends can meet, precluding the possibility that the housewife does the housework waiting for the insufficient income of the husband at home.  Big business should organize so that in the home, housewives can do cottage or home products to sell or even export.  They have not done so.  Bib business should sponsor providing decent homes to eliminate shanties and living on edge along river banks, dump sites and esteros.  They have not done enough.  Big business should provide more employment opportunities, skills training and productivity enhancements to more employees.  They have not done enough, citing their need to cut costs, shrinking markets, and what have you.  Business can be less greedy.  Greed is one of the capital sins and it is most particularly prevalent in profit organizations.  FIRST THINGS FIRST!  IN PARTNERSHIP WITH GOVERNMENT, think about what you can do for our country, really, truly, genuinely, and not provide the poor condescendingly with condoms and contraceptives.  After all, once the quality of life of the very poor is properly addressed, so that he is freed from want (this is one of his basic freedoms, along with speech, religion and life), society will be much better in a climate of a just social order.  The power of money can be channelled to good use, not used against the very nature of man. 

    Almost by instinct we know that we should do good and avoid evil.  We know that primary “oughtness” by natural instinct, without need of Church teaching: “Do not do unto others what you do not want they will do to you.”  To use the wrong concept of “freedom” to scuttle moral responsibility is not the job of big business.  It is to embrace the mammon!  Against the secular, hedonistic and materialistic currents, the Christian businessman should be a light of sanity, and a salt of the earth, and a leaven to evangelize the community.  Not being open to life is to lose sight of eternal values, or at least compromise with the evil one. But for Christians, it is either a “yes” when it is yes and “no” when it is no.  He who is not with Christ, is against Christ.  There is no necessity for the rh bill to be passed into law now or ever, as long as essentially it is pro condoms and artificial contraception.  The road to true human development may be long, but it is sure.  No to the rh bill in any form!

    • Hfxwst

      Choosing God, does not mean choosing the Catholic Church.

      • marionics

        he he e one true faith nga daw e

      • Hfxwst

        Yeah – all religions say that, and the Catholic Church have no proof better than any of them!

      • marionics

        actually i’ve only heard 2 claim that, roman catholics and muslims he he

      • Hfxwst

        Islam is the fastest growing religion worldwide. Catholic congregations are diminishing. Here, many people self identify themselves as Catholic, but are non practicing and seem to care little about their stated religion. I will say I believe there are more extremist Catholics in the Philippines – as extremist Muslims in the Middle East. Extremist who share a sense of entitlement to seek government legislation to make religious law the law of the land. That of course has no future and will eventually ruin a people and their culture. Freedom always wins – it just takes a long time.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Agreed.

        perhaps the notion that “what the will of God is the will of the Catholic Church is the same,”  is flawed.

      • joshua kings

        i respect your choice but you are making the wrong choice, dude.

      • Hfxwst

        Thanks -that’s called a democracy – the right to make a choice.

      • Guest

        Of course, Catholics are always right.  Your statement really confirms my view that you Catholics are the most arrogant bunch of sc*u*m. But of course, you are free to believe what you want.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        It is good that you respect his choice.

        Now, if only the CBCP would do the same.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        BAM.

        Nail on head.

        Barado ulit si bgcorg.

  • d2yan

    BUSINESSES really WANT TO HELP the country?  They SHOULD DO THESE :
     
    1.       INCREASE TAX COMPLIANCE.  Many of our businessmen do not pay the correct TAX.  Aminin….
    2.      PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES WELL.  Many of our businessmen do not pay the proper SALARY.  Aminin uli….
    3.      ELIMINATE BRIBERY.  Many of our businessmen pay their way to CORRUPTION in government projects.  Ang sakit ano?
     
    What made as POOR is not our POPULATION – But the LOW TAX COMPLIANCE, LOW WORKER SALARY and CORRUPTION in government projects.  Perpetrated by who?  – the businessmen!  And then they lecture on “Ask not what the country….blah blah blah”?  Huwag tayong maglokohan!  It is clear what you can do BETTER for the country.  Do it! RH bill daw…pwe!

    • abner

       at saka,,   dapat isa lang ang libro. hindi yung dalawa…ung isa pang bir, ung isa tunay na kita ng kumpanya….diba?

    • Guest

       Why paying more taxes? That the lazy then can rely on bigger funds from welfare?

      • d2yan

        What I am saying is paying the CORRECT tax.  I did not say paying MORE taxes beyond what is correct.

    • Guest

       “What made as POOR is not our POPULATION – But the LOW TAX COMPLIANCE, LOW WORKER SALARY and CORRUPTION in government projects.”

      What is the link between those and those who are too stupid to make too many babies?

      • d2yan

        They are not “stupid”, they are also victims.

        And if they are indeed “stupid”, they only make THEMSELVES poor, not the COUNTRY.  The greed of big businesses have a greater impact on our economy than “stupidity”.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    RHBill now. Scaremongers, take your issues to FDA.

  • d2yan

    If big business want to pursue an RH initiative THEY SHOULD FUND IT.

    Katiting na suweldo at kakarampot na buwis na nga ang binabayad ninyo tapos mag-aabono pa ang mga mangagawa para ma sustentohan ang gusto nyong contraception program.

    Anyway, mayaman naman kayo e di kayo gumastos!

    • abner

       naka program na daw yon na ibabawas talaga sa empleyado nila ang mga condoms na bibilhin…para daw madagdagan kita nila. sila daw nag endorse eh..hahaha

    • boypalaban

      tama…sila na lang ang mag-supply ng condom at contraceptives na libre…
      tutal sabi nga optional…hindi naman sila gagastos yata nang malaki…kung mangilan-ngilan lang ang maga-avail…
      wag nang ipasa sa mga tax na ibinabayad natin…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      They pay more in taxes than the Church, actually, so they REALLY should have more influence over the goverment.

      • d2yan

        Churches do not pay tax, they are TAX EXEMPT.  All RELIGIONS (including yours, if you have one) are TAX EXEMPT.

        Not paying taxes and tax exempt are not synonymous.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I didn’t mean my post to say that the Church were tax evaders.

        My original point stands though.

  • Bengatibo

    Put he damned RH Bill in a Vote. Majority wins. Tapos and Kuwento. Siguro naman sa dami nang nag-comments you know where you stand Majority wins. Wala nang katapusan and bangayan, asaran, insultuhan,murahan, dikdikan, ginagawa na lang nang iba na palipasan nang oras ito

    • abner

       mas maganda kung sa 2030 na mag cast ng vote.haha saka palang pag usapan uli…eleksyon na..malabong malabo na yan…taga nila sa bato. hindi papasa ang RH BILL.

    • xrisp

      RHB (Road to Hell is Broad) but the Road to Heaven is Narrow!

      • tamumd

        And are you sure you’re going to your heaven? lol

      • xrisp

        Nobody is sure of going to heaven but GOD is the ONLY SURE SOURCE of help! So believe, follow and trust in His mercy.

      • tamumd

        No thanks..don’t drag me in your delusion!

      • xrisp

        Don’t be an atheist. The very reason you exist, there is God who created you!

      • tamumd

        Prove to me that a god created you and me and everything in this world!

      • xrisp

        I am just wondering why all your fuss in commenting allegedly for the benefits of people when you do not believe in God. Why do you seem to care? Where shall all your cares and worries end up?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

        ….and it’s the same logic that explains why it takes so long for this bill to pass.

  • marionics

    it’s about time. yan dapat may threat sa mga anti rh congressman na wala silang campaign donations from big business he he

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYYFBINDMTZHM6TDHPB667452M agustin

    uncontrolled population as suggested by the remnants of Roman Empire(Catholics) will choke to death our economy.  to hell with the remnants.!!!!

    • joshua kings

      mang gustin, i say that you are wrong! unbridled greed will choke to death the nation, not uncontrolled population…….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Okay.

        Justify your statement with actual proof.

        Take note that noted economists have dismissed the demographic winter as something so far in the future that it’s not worth even considering.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYYFBINDMTZHM6TDHPB667452M agustin

         If you take a look at China.she has more population than any other nation.decades back she implemented the one child per family policy. at that time China is very poor. each family can only afford to buy a bicycle but now car in almost every family. their exports flood in any nation. am I wrong.?

  • txtman

    >>>>>>>> LABOR POLICY IN THE PHILIPPINES <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    MGA TRUE BUSINESSMEN, IM SURE ALAM NINYO ITO

    QUESTION:

    WHAT IS TOTAL FACTOR PRODUCTIVITY (TFP)?

    TFP IS THE EFFICIENCY IN THE USE OF BOTH LABOR & CAPITAL

    CANLAS, ALDABA ESQUERRA SAID THAT POLICY MAKERS (THE GOVERNMENT)

    SHOULD HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE SOURCES OF TFP

    BAKIT?

    BECAUSE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH COMES FROM THE RISING TFP GROWTH

    ONE KEY FACTOR IS EDUCATED LABOR, WHICH HAS THE CAPACITY
          TO INVENT, INNOVATE & MASTER NEW TECHNIQUES

    CANLAS, ALDABA ESQUERRA ADVICE THAT TO RAISE THE TFP GROWTH

    MONETARY & FISCAL POLICIES (DONE BY GOVERNMENT) SHOULD
        STABILIZED A PREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR
        FOR THEM TO CREATE JOBS.

    HINDI KASALANAN NG MGA BATA

    THE LAGGING OF ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE PH IS AFFECTED BY EXTREME
          WEATHER DISTURBANCES SINCE 33.2% WORKS IN THE AGRICULTURAL
          SECTOR – KAYA DAPAT WE NEED TO SHIFT THIS BIG CHUNK OF WORKERS TO
          OTHER SECTORS LIKE INDUSTRY & SERVICES.

    HINDI KASALANAN NG MGA BATA

    ECONOMIC GROWTH IS ALSO AFFECTED BY THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN
       A FULL TIME & A PART TIME WORKER – KUNG PURO PART TIME LANG NAMAN
       WALANG KWENTA

    HINDI KASALANAN NG MGA BATA

    YAN DIN BASICALLY ANG GUSTONG GAWING NG USA (EXCEPT AGRICULTURE)

    MAY SINABI BA DYAN

    PILLS OR CONDOMS?

    WALA

    KAYA PWEDE BA

    TAMA NA ANG MGA PANLILINLANG NINYO SA MADLANG PEOPLE

    CONDOMS & PILLS ARE BIG BUSINESS

    NO TO RH BILL

    PITIFUL

  • Bengatibo

    There is no need to convince anybody, whether its pro or against RH Bill. Stalemate lang ang nangyayari To resolve this, Put the damned RH Bill into a Vote or Rather put it in a referendum so the people can decide on this issue. Majority wins!!! Tama na ang bangayan, insultuhan, murahan, laitan. Civilizadong tao naman ang mga Filipino, Bakit Kailangang umabot pa sa ganito. Pinagfiestahan nang husto. Maraming magaling, lahat nang nag-comments tama siya sa sarili niyang pagtingin, pati si Padre Damaso nakikisawsaw nang husto Pati election 2013 damay dito dahil mga kandidato gusto ang boto nang mamamayan!!!

  • UrHONOR

    OPS>>>>>>>not so fast……the nakasayang-puti’t helmet cavalry hasn’t arrived yet.  Wait till they come and the sawsaweros will want to have the last word capped in numbers in chapters and in verses.  “We have the numbers (indeed you have…lots of ‘em), and we’ll know in the end on whose side god is (definitely not on the side of SUV)”. Now, what’s the next best move to take….hmmm…oh, let’s ex-communicate those who will support the RH bill.  Hindi na sila makakapagpakasal ng bongga at wala na ding obispo na dadalo sa kanilang mga party.  Tingnan natin kung anong klaseng party magkakaroon kayo ng walang obispong naka-uniporme in attendance.  Markahan na din yong mga anak ng supporters para masundan sa mga bonggang  eskwelahang na nakapag-produce ng mga liders ng bayan tulad ni Estrada, Arroyo at arroyo, Enrile, Lorenzo, Corona, Bolante, Pichay, Guttierez, Genuino, Morato, Uriarte, atmpb. para ma-screen ng mabuti at kung lulusot sa very stringent and high “standards” ng RCCh.

  • PandaGamer

    Most common word in this morning’s post goes to—-PITIFUL! Now that is pathetic.

    • txtman

      PILLS CAN CAUSE

      BREAST CANCERS

      ENDOMETRIAL CANCERS

      OVARIAN CANCERS

      LIVER CANCERS

      STROKE

      DEATHS

      NOW, THAT IS PITIFULLY PATHETIC

      PITIFUL

      • angtangamo

         LOL. What you said is completely false and an utter lie. There is no research facility or medical institution that is held in high regard in the world that has ever made such a claim. PATHETIC.

  • nes911

    Pass the rh bill, long overdue na yan. The church is passe and regressive, don’t listen to them. Tapos na ang parochialism.

  • joshua kings

    pia, this time, mr enrile is on the right side of the fence; it is obvious that he will not do anyting on the RH bill; will just sit on it; daring you and your cohorts to unseat him as senate president….

  • tra6Gpeche

    According to former Budget Secretary, Benjamin Diokno, this RH bill is in the hands of President Aquino. If he is correct, then Mr Aquino should get all the blame if this RH bill does not become a law. Mr. Aquino should utilize all his power to make it happen. This concerns the future of all Filipinos, especially those couples who are impoverished and starting to have family. They will be better off having fewer kids than having 5, 6, 7 or even 10 children. The fewer the better! 

  • Albert Einstien

    RH bill is MONEY….of course business crocodilians are salivating for it…..in cahoots with traitors to this country…those pushing for RH  are NOT EVEN full blood Filpinos yet they  they are imposing a GENETIC GENOCIDE for the Filipinos they are  HITLER’s ……..relatives we are targetted for depopulation folks….HOLOCAUST…!…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      No RH bill is MONEY….of course parish priest crocodilians are salivating for
      it…..in cahoots with traitors to this country…those against RH are NOT EVEN full blood Filpinos (as they’re from the Vatican) yet they  they are imposing a GENETIC
      GENOCIDE for the Filipinos they are  HITLER’s ……..relatives we are targetted for depopulation folks….HOLOCAUST…!…
      Seriously, how many times do people need to be dropped as babies to believe this tripe?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Now you mentioned holocaust.. try to research history and discover the role played by the Pope during Hitler’s time and the holocaust, just to preserve Vatican, its power and wealth..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPHQXB54NYAJHZP2TFXFL45BKI Carmichael Keane See

      I’ll let you know when the government starts putting up gas chambers and concentration camps. Then you can start shouting HOLOCAUST!!!

    • tamumd

      Remember Hitler was a catholic….who nearly decimated the Jews in Europe coz he got the idea from catholic belief of the time that Jews are an inferior race and that they are the reason why christ was killed. SO..NO one is buying your conspiracy theory but you and your corrupt, rotten church!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    DAPAT ang SABULIN ng mga BIG BUSINESSMAN sa PILIPINAS ay ang SIMBAHANG katoliko na PINANGUNGUNAHAN ng mga MODERNONG DAMASSO na nagtatago sa LIKOD nga ALTAR ng SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO—
    ITONG mga DAMASSO na to ay HINDI TINATANGGAP and RESPONSIBILIDAD na SILA ang SANHI ng PAG-DARAHOP ng mga HINDI EDUKADONG PILIPINO na NATATAKOT sa KATOLIKO na MAG-PLANO ng PAMILYA——

    • boypalaban

       tuwang tuwa sa yo ang mga magnanakaw na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…
      isa kang magandang ehemplo ng UTO UTO….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        NONESENSE——Kung me CORRUPT sa GOBYERNO di sila puedeng magtago at mahuhuli sila——
        Ang mga DAMASSO nagtatago sa LIKOD ng ALTAR at NILOLOKO ka boypalapan—

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GRZBCTHR3U6ZSZBBQSRH7ZGV4Q dyames

    Diokno, i assure you. If there is one less currupt government official, then there will be more budget for the poor.

  • edm365f31

    Nakawalang gana ang mga Padrei sa Pinas; parang walang mga utak..making statements like this
    Fr. Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines-Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, reminded the businessmen that having a large consumer base and work force would be in the country’s interest “in the long run.” 

    Like Babies will come out as a work force; hoy Padre Castro na walang utak; kailangan mong palakihin alagaan pakainin disiplinahin at pag-aralin yong mga batang yon para maging mabuti ang kanilang kabuhayan.
    Hindi yon lalabas na handa nang magtrabaho;  kaya ako wala na akong gana sa mga katolekong instutution ilang daang taon na tayong inabuso nang mga hayupak na yan..mula pa kay Rizal.  binaluktot na nila nang binaluktot and ibig sabihin nang magsamba sa diyos sa mga kakupalan at pandurugas sa isip nang mga pilipino.

    • angtangamo

       Hahaha. Tama ka. Ano ang gagawin ng mga negosyo sa “large consumer base” kung wala naman itong pambili ng mga produkto nila at hindi rin nila ma e-employ dahil wala din pinag aralan.

      • jenny lim

         Kaya nga papaaralin…yan ang solusyon, edukasyon. Bakit RH Bill? Matuto bang bumasa at sumulat ang mga taong sinasabi mo pag may RH Bill?

      • tamumd

        The government would be able to afford to send all those poor kids to school if there’re not so many of them. Every year there are about 2 million warm bodies that are born. No wonder we are perpetually short of books and classrooms. Just imagine a poor family with 10 children. The mother has P10 to be divided to those children. However, there is also a family next door with only 2 children with the same amount of money to be distributed as allowance for the day. Which family do you think would have a bigger share for each child? I’m sure you could answer that easily. That is the issue that the RH bill is trying to address.

      • boypalaban

         ikaw na naman?
        wala ka bang bagong argumento?
        pinagpipilitan mo yan…pero di mo makita mga pangungurakot ng mga hinayupak na mga pulitiko na tunay na sanhi ng kahirapan..

      • tamumd

        Who said that I don’t recognize corruption. In fact corruption is pervasive in our society both in private and public offices….and that includes the catholic church.

      • xrisp

        How much money of the govt goes to corruption?  Suggest how to solve this instead of giving another vehicle for corruption and you will be free of your worries.

      • tamumd

        The current administration is already slowly weeding out the bad apples. The corrupt CJ is gone, the last president’s case is being readed. However corruption cannot be solved over night coz it is already entrenched in our culture. That is the failure of your church over this many centuries.

      • xrisp

        Now you are blaming the Church for the failure of the government!

      • tamumd

        Yes coz the church claims to be the religion of 85% of filipinos. If that is the case  catholic church had been in the country for 500 years…guiding the faith and morals  of all these filipinos. Yet there are so many corruptions, criminals, robbers, swindlers, murderers everywhere.

      • xrisp

        And why do you think God allows every evil to exist? Why can’t God just end this world?

      • tamumd

        Well your god is stupid..coz he knows that evil are bad yet he created them! Why cant he end this world now? Coz he doesn’t exist.

      • xrisp

        Why are you here? what is your purpose for being here?

      • tamumd

        Why am I here? Well..I am here just as a blade of grass is here…just as the dengue virus is here…just as a cat or a dog is here. We are not special with respect to those  other living things.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        The Church did next to nothing during GMA’s term, and it was eventually found that several of their bishops were bribed to keep quiet. 

        So yes, I do condemn their ilk. 

      • xrisp

        ….I  guess you did not start as an atheist. What made you one?I just hope I could help you believe that there is God.

      • tamumd

        Well yeah…just like every other filipino I had no choice but be born and be raised by a devout catholic family. If I was born in Saudi I would have been born in Islam. But as I grow up…it became obvious to me that religion is evil. It makes people so close-minded and consider those who do not agree with them as the devil. Then the Balkan war broke out….the Northern Ireland clashes occured….then 911 happened. Events all motivated by differences in faith. You just have to read history books and you’ll find out atrocities committed by people against other people in the name of religion. As what Steven Weinberg – the famous physicist have said, ” bad people will do bad deeds, good people good, but for good people to do evil deeds..will only require religion.

      • xrisp

        Were these the only reasons that made you an atheist?  Christ did not come 2000 years ago to eradicate all the problems or evils of this world but to teach how to live our lives in this world. The world will continue to experience every violence you could think of because the adversary is very busy tempting many for their ruin.

      • tamumd

        Not all the reasons but they are basically the straws that broke the camel’s back. They were the turning point. I also had read books like the God Delusion by Dawkins and visited websites like Project Reason by Sam Harris. Watched lots of fora and discussions from prominent religion and antiquity professors from major US and British Universities. Then recently this ongoing obstructionist stance of the catholic church against the RH bill. I had enough!

        Isn’t it counter intuitive to have a god that would create evil..then he would punish his subjects if they succumb to those evils. I thought he love us so much? Why then can’t he just eradicate them? It doesn’t make any sense at all. The human origin of this hocus pocus is very apparent. It’s no deity’s machination. By the sound, look and feel of it…..has all the human trappings. It’s the idea of those ignorant dessert nomads who first wrote the bible and not some omnipotent, omnipresent god.

      • angtangamo

         Dba pinag aaral naman sila ngayun? pero di pa rin uubra dahil kulang talaga ang resources sa sobrang dami ng mga estudyante… walang classroom, libro atbp. So to answer your question. Indirectly, the RH Bill will help in providing a better education to the children due to the better distribution of resources.

      • xrisp

        Lack of resouirces??  Are you not overwhelmed by how much govt funds went to corruption every year? Only if our govt officials honestly serve this country – what a progress we will have! Where do you think the budget for the contraceptives will go if the RHB becomes a law? Oh God have mercy on this country!

      • angtangamo

        Do you know how much of the governments funds is lost to corruption every year? 15%-25%
        (depending on who is providing the information). It is hardly overwhelming, but it is still definitely unacceptable. Do you honestly think that 25% will make a big difference? I don’t think so. Your other question about where the RH bill budget will go if it gets passed belongs to another argument. Of course I will take it in good faith that this money will be used for its intended purpose.

         

        Bottomline, Even if our Govt is not corrupt, it will still be difficult because there are just too many mouths to feed.

      • xrisp

        I respect your perception but I have mine. Thanks.

      • tamumd

        Are you implying that we should stop all government programs and intiatives that are funded coz they could be corrupted? Then the government operation would be paralyzed. Don’t be ridiculous. It’s just a conjecture on your part. You don’t have any concrete evidence that RH bill would succumbe to that.

      • napali808

        Both of you guys are right. RH bill should be passed and corruption should be stopped. I bet our beloved country will be one of the flying tigers in SE Asia.

    • boypalaban

       napuwet ka ba ng paring yan?
      mukhang ang laki ng galit mo a?
      patira ka rin kay damaso celdran…

  • boypalaban

     modern age na ba kapag bumabaha na ng condom?

  • wgd82

    syempre sila kikita dito eh… hehe

  • boypalaban

     …at kailangan pa pala ng batas at popondohan ng bilyon bilyon para lang makontrol ang libog ng iba…

    • marionics

      he he alang maski anong halaga na makakakontrol ng libog pre

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ulpiano-Jotojot/100002633802776 Ulpiano Jotojot

      Do we statistics how many thousand children are the illegitimate offsprings of Immoral Bishops and Priests? What about PEDOPHILIA ?

      • boypalaban

         kailangan pala ng condom para maitago mga biktima ng mga pedopilyang pari at obispo?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

    ang totoong dahilan kaya takot ang mga obispo sa RH BILL ay dahil alam nilang ang mga katoliko hindi katulad ng ibang sekta na sumusunod sa kanilang mga pastor. alam nilang mas madaming katoliko ang pabor dito at pag naipatupad ang RH BILL at kumonti ang mahihirap..patay kang “donasyon” ka. 

    • abner

       naku kung donasyon lang po ang aasahan sa mga parokyano namin..eh gatiting lang po ang dino donate..at madalas nga di nagbibigay…kase voluntary lang po ang donasyon hindi tatawagin ang pangalan at sasabihin ang ibinigay…at may kota..hehe

  • Alejandro Canda

    Fr. melvin castro said “a large population means a large economic base,  a large consumer base”. This is another way of saying that a large population means large base of incomes from religious rituals and ceremonials such as baptism, weddings and burials.  This people from the catholic church are so money oriented that they feared most of population decline because this also means decline of incomes. 

    • WeAry_Bat

       …also a large base of criminals in the making.

      • boypalaban

         ganon kaagad?

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      //Fr. melvin castro said “a large population means a large economic base,  a large consumer base”. //

      Earth to Melvin Castro: before you burden our women with more babies, did it ever occur to you to ask them if they wanted those kids first? 

      They’re people, not your personal incubators. 

    • filipino_mom

      a large base with no purchasing power. a large potential labor force but with none of the necessary skills needed to drive the economy. tama ka, its just a large economic base for the church.

  • prince_janus

    I will bet my two cents na hindi aangat ang kabuhayan ng mga pinoy kahit ma-aprubahan pa ang batas na ito. Mga batas sa Pilipinas ay okay lang sa simula pero sa kalaunan ay magiging ningas cogon lang. Magkano na naman ang pondo na galing sa gobyerno ang masasayang? Ang mga maralita ay nangangailangan ng permanente at may seguridad sa trabaho at bigyan ng tamang edukasyon. Ipatupad ang mga batas.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      panahon pa ng kopong kopong yang argumento na yan.

  • prince_janus

     bakit segurado ka ba na ganun kalaki ang binibigay ng mga maralita sa simbahan? ang simbahang katoliko ay di katulad sa iba na 10% ang hinihingi sa mga membro nila. yung mga bayad sa binyag, kasal at libing ay tama-tama lang pangbayad sa gastusin ng simbahan. segurado ka ba na kung baba ang population natin ay di na tayo maghihirap? mawawala na rin ba ang mga kurakot sa gobyerno?

  • prince_janus

     pero kahit ganun, wala pa ring mangyayari sa buhay ng mga pinoy. dadami pa rin ang mahihirap. magsasayang lang ng pondo ang gobyerno. another ningas cogon law in the philippines. kahit ano nalang ang gawin para magkapera lang.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LY2B6FRILBKCZQJIOXQ7QG4CKU Joe

      ibig sabihin ikaw mismo hindi ka nagbabago. yung dating corrupt na sistema pa rin ang sinusuportahan mo. pag sinabi ng mga obispo na eto iboto mo yun ang iboboto mo. tulad ni GMA na love na love nila..d ba? o eto na yung solusyon na babago ng buhay nating lahat. bakit takot na takot ka subukan ang isang bagay na pwedeng tunay na solusyon sa problema natin? sinipa nga ng gobyerno maski SC justice dahil sa korapsyon, anong kinakatakot mo?

      • abner

         naku, indi po nagmamando sa boto ng indibidwal ang mga obispo…hindi po katulad sa iba..na ititiwalag ka kapag di ka sumunod.may kalayaan po ang mga katoliko na pumili ng sa tingin nia ay mabuting tao.

      • Vince222

        so let them choose… let the RH bill pass and just let the people to choose what mode of family planning they want to employ

  • Guest

    I am actually surprised that the big business allegedly support this RH bill. Are they really oblivious to the fact that more supply of labor means less wage costs?  More people means, kasambahays will remain cheap.

    • abner

       lumabas na po sila kc mukhang di na maipapasa ang RH BILL kaya ayan na nananakot na ng pailalim…pag di na ipasa di susuportahan sa election…pag di naipasa walang budget na mapupunta sa mga condom..hehehe

    • marionics

      we need educated and wee-trained labor force not these mass who can’t even read or right or count

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      And should that be our priority?  Keeping yaya and manual labor wages cheap?

      Or should we actually be trying to move the country forward?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

      We already have enough live people for labor supply and we don’t need hundreds of thousands more babies born to unready parents.  This was actually a good move of the business sector.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6PJY7TX7ULD7M7LCCKI3AZDARM Levi Velasco

    A government is a separate entity given by God authority to rule. And it is impossible for this institution to rule without promulgating laws. So, whatever laws made by the legislators is honored by God. The law “thou shalt not kill” was given for an individual to follow and never for a government. An individual may sin because of its transgression but a government may not. How can a government commit crime or a sin if there is no law intended for them? The church argument that rh bill is killing humans is a misinterpretation of laws. It should be noted that the aim of this law is to control population due to starvation of millions and it doesn’t kill. When an individual masturbates, is he killing a person? Semen are not persons, and killing as a sin is only consummated when taking the life of a person. There is no abortion in rh bill!    “A fairly large young population ensures a productive labor force,” according to Castro, and he right. But these large population working are starving. Some of them are dying because the government failed to  give them employment as a source of income. Which do you think is more sinful? To see millions starving, suffering from poverty and seeing them turning into being a saint or to see few people enjoying lives due to the control of rapid population growth? I want a church leader to answer this?

    • Hfxwst

      You are full of crap!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPHQXB54NYAJHZP2TFXFL45BKI Carmichael Keane See

        Commenting on an intelligent opinion with an expletive. Bravo!

      • Hfxwst

        Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!

    • xrisp

      Yes everything that happens is allowed by God because He has control of everthing. But it is not right to say that God has approval of everything that happens. Simple example is how Jesus replied when the issue on divorce, allowed by Moses, during the Old Testament times. Can you not recall Jesus said it is ONLY because of the hard-headedness of the people why Moses allowed that law? So God does not allow divorce. But answer me why so many coountries allowed divorce? Now what can you say about this RHB? Who will yiou follow?

  • jjammess

    Why do business group support rh bill? They should not! We thrive on cheap labor. In 10 years with 3 % population growth and compunded we will have aprox. 45 million more people. People will beg for jobs and By that time maybe with too much unemployment salary will be halve or much lower. And that will be good for biznes. As the article said “A fairly large young population ensures a productive labor force,” Castro added. So what are you waiting for philippines start producing those workers now…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Yeah? By then people will be on small boats armed with AK-47s chasing and pillaging the ships in Manila bay just like in Somalia.. hehehe

  • http://twitter.com/verjomar Verlito Ablin

    Of course big businesses will support RH bill because they can profit from it. As part of their social responsibility, let us ask big businesses to finance entirely the implementation of RH bill if pass into law and not used hard-earned taxpayers money. I would rather spend the additional billion of pesos to be used annually for RH law implementation in the educational improvement of Filipino children than on a law which can cause potential long term irreparable damage to the country’s future.

    • Crysis_III

      Are you sure? How about a big population? Can they not profit from a lot of consumers? Malls and stores can be packed and hospitals can have more patients…. Weigh it in, who can profit more….. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPHQXB54NYAJHZP2TFXFL45BKI Carmichael Keane See

        Big population, yes, but what about their purchasing power? You’ll end up with people not buying anything simply because they can’t afford it. Heck, malls might be emptier because the poor would not even have enough for decent clothes and transportation to the mall because all of their income as spent on buying the necessities, and that may not even be enough.

        As for hospitals, you want more patients coming in? Are you really serious? Have you ever been n a government hosptial? You’ll see patients sharing beds or sometimes, patients are recovering on the corridors instead of rooms and wards.

        I’d rather have a smaller but healthier population than a big but sickly population.

      • Crysis_III

        You did not understand my point bro.. I’m arguing about Verlito’s statement that business people will profit more with RH bill of which I think is contrary..

  • JuanTamadachi

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C5RLWOY26ACBYCLHUEEJQ2ADVQ K Fun

    It’s about time a strong front voices it’s sound judgment over hypocritical blabber-mouthed Bishops in this country.  Land is not expanding compared to the population figures.  I’m really glad this united front can equally argue the practicality of this over-delayed RH bill.  More power to the business sector!!!

    • xrisp

      Practical? Economical? Developmental? Moral? Immoral?  Pick our choice!

      • tamumd

        To your twisted mind and dogma, use of contraception is immoral. To the rest of us…they are NOT! What’s more immoral is to allow pregnancy to happen and bring to the world 10-15 kids that their parents cannot feed 3 times a day, clothe, send to high school or college. The kids ending up in the streets, snatching, stealing, or worse killing someone else.

      • xrisp

        And that’s the problem now how society embraces materialsism and commercialism. They think now of having children as liabilities and not anymore gift from God.

      • tamumd

        You are a hypocrite! If you and your church is so against materialism and commercialism…just look at how your bishops and archbishops live and act. They live like kings and princes….with airconditioned rooms, computers, eats 5 meals a day, with chauffers and butlers and maid and sitting on millions of investments. Very far away from what they keep harping about giving up riches and earthly possessions. A big disconnect indeed.

      • xrisp

        Then tell it also to everyone in authority.

      • tamumd

        Why would that apply to civil authorities? Those people are not preaching to give away earthly possession to enter the kingdom of some imagined deity! Your bishops and archbishops and cardinals do.

      • xrisp

        Name the bishops, archbishops and cardinals you know or talked to who do what you alleged.

      • tamumd

        I cannot possibly name all of them here. I say ALL of them.

    • boypalaban

       more power to corruption and uto uto supporters of RH Bill!

  • JuanTamadachi

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  • AntonioPeYangIII

    First, it was the Philippine OB/GYN Society, then Iglesia Ni Cristo, The Philippine Medical Association, the Protestant community, Ateneo, La Salle, and DoH

    And now we have big business. 
    The people rabidly delaying the RH Bill are running out of friends. Isn’t it wonderful?

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. No need for more friends. All the good people need to do is stand by their belief.
      It has been this way for the past 14 years and will be the same for the next 14 and beyond.
      As for Pro-RH people, they have to resort to deceiving the unwilling congressmen that they will be bribed by big business. 

      Unfortunately, it will not work. As you can notice, the pronouncement are not coming from the business themselves. Not from the Ayalas nor the Gokongweis nor Nestle, etc.

      These are coming from politically associated and affiliated people who claims to represent them.  It’s just a deception by the desperate and hopeless.

      None of the congressmen will bite.

    • boypalaban

       kapag marami na ang may gusto, ibig sabihin tama na?

      OO o HINDI?

  • xrisp

    RHB (Road to Hell is Broad) but the Road to Heaven is Narrow!

  • 1028

    To all ‘Turo-turo’ and Hypocrite Catholics,

    Leave if you don’t know how to live what the Magisterium is teaching us. That simple. Look for a church that can accommodate your ‘wants’.  If you are attacking the priests and the bishops but you are still attending masses every Sunday, then you are HYPOCRITES! 

    • marionics

      haven’t you heard? cafeteria catholics outnumber you 100 to 1 he he

  • http://twitter.com/verjomar Verlito Ablin

    Population growth has always been a scapegoat when government leaders and elected officials has failed their duty to provide better economic opportunities for its people. 

    • 1028

      I agree…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

       RH =/= population control.

      So STFU.

    • boypalaban

       mangungurakot tapos isisisi sa iba ang kapalpakan..

  • http://twitter.com/greenherrings Juan Dela Cruz

    Of course the Bishops know best. Their Church is the greatest business in the world. 

    • xrisp

      How about your sect. Where does your fund come from?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ulpiano-Jotojot/100002633802776 Ulpiano Jotojot

    The CBCP members are either BLIND or DEAF to the pulse and sentiments of the majority Pinoys. Maybe our Bishops and Priests are too occupied with PEDOPHILIA,HOMOSEXUALITY,SUVs,and IVORY SMUGGLING that they are all becoming the pot-bellied PADRE DAMASOS of the Christian world. Shame on the CBCP !

    • 1028

      Are you a Catholic?

    • boypalaban

       kung may mga pedophile na pari at obispo….ibig sabihin ok lang na mangurakot mga pulitiko at mamigay ng condom dahil sa RH Bill?

  • jenny lim

    Now it’s so clear…this all about business and nothing else.

    Ang argument ng iba, anu daw’ng mapapala sa malaking populasyon na mangmang at walang pinag-aralan.  E di yun nga ang solusyon, papaaralin at tuturuan – edukasyon.  Maraming tao ngunit walang income at trabaho?  E di yun ang solusyon, dagdag trabaho at ibang programa o oportunidad na kumita ang mahihirap. Anu namang maitutulong sa RH Bill dito? Ang bilyones na kamkamin ng mga gahaman na pulitiko na galing sa mga sponsors nila na kapwa sakim na negosyante [pharmaceuticals and producers of condoms and contraceptives).

    Business sector?  Are they really that concern to the poor or simply looking at poor people as capital or commodity? We don’t need to prove the “obvious”.

    Ang kahirapan ay dahil sa maraming tao…NO! Ang kahirapan ay dahil sa dumaming kurakot sa gobyerno at kulturang walang disiplina, bangayan at ang hindi marunong umaako ng responsibilidad. 

    Practicality?  Ang RH Bill ang pinaka impractical na batas.  Kasi pumayag tayong i-manipulate ng mga sakim na politiko at mga negosyante at the expense of our family. 

    Examine WORLD HISTORY, population is always a weapon for domination – either through migration or labor force.  That’s the obvious and practical!

    • boypalaban

       kaya gusto yan ni manny pangilinan kasi kikita na naman siya bukod sa minahan at ibat ibang negosyo niya…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

      Hahaha.. your economics is skewed. Our resources are finite and it can support only a certain population size to live comfortably. More and more people will create chaos in the future because they will fight for control of the remaining resources, survival of the fittest..

      • jenny lim

        You don’t argue by facts bro but by mere opinions. Darwinism and anarchy has no place if government people do their homework and if we Filipinos improve our culture. 

        Population as Skewed economics? Prove me by facts.  And population is the cause of poverty in our country?  It’s obviously not and you know that.

        Resources are finite? Yes, but don’t forget that we’re finite too. You’re counting about birth rate – how about death rate? And besides, if govt. through RH Bill considers our finite resources, why we continue selling our resources to foreigners at lowest rate? Think bro., with RH Bill, our congressmen and senators in connivance with big international business are just fooling us, using us, and manipulating us – a blunder at the face of big “MAKE BELIEVE”.

      • boypalaban

         ang economics mo ay economics ng mga pulpol na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno na magaling magnakaw at isisisi ang kapalpakan sa mahihirap…

      • xrisp

        Then you do not trust God’s providence!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

        God has endowed man with free will.. free will to do good, bad, plan for his future, and even to destroy himself..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ulpiano-Jotojot/100002633802776 Ulpiano Jotojot

    CBCP  = PEDOPHILIA + HOMOSEXUALITY

    • boypalaban

       na-turbo ba puwet mo at mukhang galit na galit ka?

  • Vince222

    The Church, he said, “will help effect the needed moral and spiritual reform and renewal both within the Church and in society.” – what have they been doing the past 3 centuries since they conquered as with their religion? shall we wait for 3 more centuries for them to reform asGov’t priority : pass the RH bill and ensure better maternal and child health care and a manageable family size (in terms of provision of food, health, education, moral upbringing) and give the people their choice
    Church priority : provide and strenghten the religious and moral values 
                          : if they are against reproductive health care then let them rally their congregations not to folllow the choice for contraception
                          : if the people or specifically their followers should choose contraception then they are the FAILURE and should not blame the government

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he.

      Why should taxpayer’s money be used to support people who can’t control their fffcking. If they can’t afford it, let them control their itch and wait for the right time. Ano sila, sinuswerte? If they want to fffck, let them fffck with their own money.

      • tamumd

        Who are you to tell them and dictate what they want to do in their bedrooms? We don’t mind to share our taxes to those people…..for the good of the country. If you on the otherhand would continue that mentality, you then can opt out not to pay your taxes and move to the Vatican. Anyway you would rather follow what those old men there say than what is good for our country.That way…that’ll show you’re a traitor.

      • xrisp

        Wow, the good of the country can only be solved by the RHBill.  Why did this bright idea do not surface a long time ago?

      • tamumd

        Only you could twist what I said. I didn’t say RH bill is the ONLY solution to our country’s problems. In fact it’s just one of the myriads of solutions. However your church is the SOLE obstruction hurdle to the progress of our country.

  • superpilipinas

    Pro-RH are so desperate. Congressmen haven’t been biting every trick they are doing. Now they resort to deception.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      You mean the group that have essentially encouraged their priests to repeatedly lie at the pulpit?  The people who have essentially fought for the right to mislead their congregations to be enshrined into law?  The group who are fighting to restrict people’s choices, and blocking Philippine progress?  Who have threatened a sitting president with excommunication because he proposed a law they didn’t like?

      Yeah, they’re ‘positive’.

      The CBCP’s lying is rubbing off onto people like you, and that’s sad.

      Edit: And he edits the post like a coward.

      Oh, and if we’re going to talk about dirty tricks, the anti-RH side wins hands down.

      • superpilipinas

        What lie? What dirty tricks? 
        He-he-he. Don’t let the Pro-RH deceive you.
        Tell them to point out how the priests lie and what their dirty tricks are.
        And they can’t tell you, Jose, any.

        What restriction? What blocking? What threat?
        These are just imaginations of the desperate.

        You see…It’s free will for everyone. Catholics teach Catholic values. Muslims teach Muslim values. The president and anyone is free to become a Protestant if he does not believe in Catholic teachings. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Priests have repeatedly lied about the RH Bill, calling it, among other things, a bill that legalizes abortion, and spreading BS rumors about this being an international conspiracy.

        Given that the drafters of the bill have had to remove the parts of the law barring people from spreading misinformation about it due to Church crying, this isn’t even debatable.

        And yes, free will for all.  If a Catholic doesn’t want to take the free contraceptives, he / she doesn’t have to.  But that doesn’t mean all should be deprived of that choice.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        You haven’ really heard the interview with the bishop who just answered a vague question, have you?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Probably not, as I’ve long since learned that the CBCP has abandoned all pretense of common sense on this issue.

        Unless they have new points to raise, listening to the CBCP is as much a waste of time as listening to Tito Sotto.

  • Descarte

    What has business got to do with RH Bill?  I thought it is a people’s law.  Is there something brewing behind?  Are the pro-RH bill Senators selling the people again?  I am more leaning on pro-RH bill but I think this will give undue disadvantag to anti-RH because the pro’s will use the power of money to sway the votes of the legislator.

    Corporate Social Responsibility?  Charity begins at home.  Are these businesses paying their employees exemplary salaries and providing them benefits that extend to the whole family more than what Philhealth provides?  How much salaries and benefits do they provide to their own employees?  If they are not providing enough for their own employees, how can we believe that CSR intentions are sincere.  CSR is not only philantropy, it must first start at their own offices and factories, providing employees comfortable living conditions with the salary they pay and the benefits they provide, providing employees and workers good working environment conditions.  Were all of those businesses complying 100% with the labor code, environmental laws, paying correct taxes to the government, etc? Will they open their accounting books to the anti-RH people?

    Those are just few of my questions before I applaud those businesses and before I believe that they will really help the government with those health care and family planning sevices.

    Until they can answer those questions, I doubt their intentions?

    Or probably these are Pharma companies that are already salivating with the prospective windfall of profits signing a contract with DoH to sell family planning pills and condom?  They maybe looking at a goldmine and therefore those donations will probably come from those profits, what you think?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

      Leaning towards pro RH bill??? Are you out of your mine about profit? How about donations and profit by the Catholic Church and their schools and hospitals? Do they cater to the poor? The answer is a resounding no? The church pays only lip service to the poor and cater to the rich. The millions of Filipinos living in subhuman conditions is a proof you do not care. You hypocrite

      • boypalaban

         alam mo ba yung caritas manila? ampon sa don bosco? scholars pati mga
        muslim sa mindanao…mga bahay ampunan, home for the aged etc…na
        pinapatakbo ng catholic church?

        kung di mo alam, mas marami pa pala akong alam sa yo kahit di ako katoliko…

        wag ka nang banat nang banat dito kung wala kang alam…
        napaghahalata lang na umaasa ka pang mabibiyayaan ka ng nakaw ng mga hinayupak na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…

        mamigay ka na kaya ng condom sa mga mamamatay na sa gutom…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Yes, the catholic church has been helping the poor. Just because you disagree with us doesn’t mean the facts changed.

      • Descarte

        Are the poor asking money from you?  Have you shared your fortune to the less fortunate?

        I understand the economics behind the RH Bill, but I am also aware of the opportunistic people in the government and in the business.

        Life is not a simple mathematics of A divided by B = C.

      • Descarte

        I am an employee of one of the companies,  they can’t even provide me and my family decent hospitalization benefits, how will I believe that they will help the others who are not even working for them to increase their profit?  Now who is the hypocrite, me or that company?  How can I give to charity if I am a charity case myself?  Will you care for me?
        show more

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      A.) They’re Filipinos.  As Filipinos, they want their country to improve, so they support the bill.

      B.) The RH Bill will improve the country’s economy.  The country’s leading economists support the bill for a reason.  Growth in the economy will help their businesses.

      • boypalaban

        ganon?
        condom contraceptives…pampalago ng ekonomiya?
        tambakan mo man ng condom kung puro kurakot ang mga sinumpang pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno wala rin yan…walang hanggang pangarap yan…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Kung ayaw mo maniwala sa akin, maniwala ka sa mga ekonomista ng UP at ADMU.

        Kailangan din pigilin ang pangungurakot, pero wala namang kinalaman yon sa RH Bill.

      • Descarte

        I am an employee of one of the companies,  they can’t even provide me and my family decent hospitalization benefits, how will I believe that they will help the others who are not even working for them?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        In this case?

        One of the basic tenets of economics is that people will work towards their own self interest.  If we’re going to be cynical here, assume that these businessmen have decided that the RH Bill is going to be good for their businesses (otherwise, why would they endorse it?).  Obviously, not all of these businessmen sell condoms (just to address the ridiculous conspiracy theory).

        So some people who would not benefit from condom sales think the RH Bill would help their business.  Why?

        These are companies based in the Philippines, and a strong economy would obviously help their business.  Going beyond that though, a stronger middle class (which WOULD emerge if the RH Bill were passed, as more parents would be able to send their fewer kids to college instead of having too many to support) would represent a wider customer base for these businesses.  If you were a car salesman, for instance, it would be preferable to have 50M people who could afford to buy cars over a population of 80M where only 20M could buy cars.

        The RH Bill would in almost all likelihood help this country economically, even beyond it’s obvious health benefits.

  • Vince222

    condoms and contraceptions abound in the philippines by the way and has been continuously used for years and I am sure a big majority of the users are among us Roman Catholics – so in that sense they have failed or we have failed. 

    • xrisp

      That is why it is a battle against the evil forces up to the end regardless to what religion one belongs.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Oh stop the BS.

        Just because the CBCP thinks something is evil doesn’t mean it is.  We were given brains, and frankly it would be a sin to not use them and just follow the Vatican like zombies.

      • boypalaban

         paano yan di ako katoliko at di rin ako anti RH kasi yun ang sabi ng CBCP?

        pero malinaw style ng mga bugok na pulitiko yan at opisyal ng gobyerno na magnanakaw at isisisi sa iba ang kapalpakan…at siguradong kikita sa bilyon bilyong pondo para sa condom at contraceptives…kunwari pang tutulong sa mahihirap at kababaihan…hahahaha…bobo lang maniniwala diyan…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        So, kung kaya siguraduhin na di mananakaw ang pera para sa RH Bill, wala kang problema sa bill?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        I can also tell you that you are following yourself like zombie if that’s your argument….We are open to our choices. We choose to follow the Vatican. You choose to follow yourself…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I chose to follow reason, science, and logic.

        Given that all of those, based off of the pretty much unanimous opinion among (reputable) academics, are on the RH bill’s side, it’s a pretty easy conclusion to make that you lot aren’t using any of the three, and instead acting like sheep and following your bishops.

        Here’s a tip: when your arguments against a bill revolve around misinformation, outright lies, and ridiculous conspiracy theories, you’re probably not on the right side.

      • Vince222

        WHat is the difference between using condom and rhythm method which the church pushes for?
        – the only difference is the use of rubber to prevent pregnancy
        – in the rhythm method the purpose is still to prevent pregnancy so you are in effect just killing your sperms, no difference at all with the use of condom 
        So what is evil about the use of condom?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Wrong. Rhythm method is not absolutely fool proof….Woman can still get pregnant. That’s why it shows that we are open for life. The release of the egg cell can happen anytime kahit may period si misis. Be open to life.

      • Vince222

        ayayay! but the Intention is not to get pregnant! getting pregnant that way is onlyby accident! mag rhythm method ka ba kung gusto mong magkaanak. 
        if that is your way of thinking then pills and condom can be accepted because they are not also fool proof and one can still be accepted.

      • Vince222

        correction: — not also fool proof and one can still be pgregnant

    • superpilipinas

      Speak for yourself. Are you a Catholic? He-he-he
      Catholics follow Catholic teachings. Baptism does not make you a Catholic. And Catholic teachings are not followed selectively. If you willingly protest a part of the teachings, then you are a Protestant. Why pretend?

      Don’t be in denial that you have separated yourself from the Catholic religion. It’s what you want.

      • Vince222

        I agree it is not only with the name but in the practice. But in my using a condom make me a non catholic? 

      • superpilipinas

        Absolutely makes you a non-Catholic. if you believe that using it is right and Catholic teaching against it is wrong. 

        It is both practice and belief.

        Read and follow Humanae Vitae to stay Catholic.

      • Vince222

        and practicing rhythm method will keep you catholic?

  • Vince222

    condoms and contraceptions abound in the philippines by the way and has been continuously used for years and I am sure a big majority of the users are among us Roman Catholics – so in that sense they have failed or we have failed. Edit
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  • jenny lim

    RH Bill, kills!

    If man insists and pushes his own will, no matter the warning, well, it is
    man who will suffer the consequence in the end. 

    ‘Choice’ as a license to do everything you want is a perfect recipe for
    destruction.  I hope the Congressmen and Senators who push RH Bill learn
    sincerity and stop manipulating and using the poor and women to advance their
    own interest and the interest of pharmaceuticals and abortion provider
    clinics. 

    We don’t need experts or surveys to know the problems of Filipinos. Problems
    in this country are caused by corruption, not only of money but also culture,
    morals and Filipino decency.  Sad to say, that there are people who are
    “willing victims or prey” to this “deeply rooted
    corruption” and then criticize those who are just trying to remind them –
    CBCP or the Church or other NGO’s.  I
    remember how my fellow students and activists cheered the CBCP – the Church; in
    making themselves involved to the Filipinos cause against Marcos – in the name
    of faith and morals.  And yet now, I wonder how “some” or
    “few” who claimed as “enlightened ones” criticize the CBCP
    or the Church who simply stand firmly on that same principle – faith and
    morals.  And then we hear congressmen and senators who paraded their
    arguments to push away “faith and morals” in the debate of RH Bill
    and willingly subscribe to the principle of “relativism”.  Others
    accused the bishops as PRO GMA and corrupt which is an “imagined illusion” and “psychologically
    suspect” – including those who “bruhaha” about church collections.

    …sincerely, I cannot imagine a nation to survive without faith and morals
    and submit to the dictatorship of “relativism”.  I could only remember some leaders and nations
    who/which ended up horribly ruined.  And US.., common’, we all know how
    problematic they are right now, even worse than ours; the things is, they have
    high standard of living than ours and they’re good in hiding and keeping their
    problems in secret, but we, we are so addicted of parading ours – exposing
    those things which we cannot be proud of.

    …i’m working with urban poor and rural poor  [NGO’s partnership with the church for housing
    and livelihood], I lived with them [just like what pro RH claimed], I know how
    easy to manipulate my “fellow poor” in the slums and I witnessed how
    this senseless or maybe conscienceless people “ride on” into it and
    cry aloud, the poor needs RH Bill!

    …RH Bill is not pro poor it is pro corruption and pro business
    [pharmaceuticals and abortion or post abortion providers clinic], reducing the
    poor and the unborn into commodities or even treating them as figures in
    statistics. 

    Proper and discerning governance, fair distribution of taxes, “hands
    on” and “well monitored” livelihood projects, equal
    opportunities for Filipinos in education and “hanap buhay”,
    sustainable aid for farmers; these truly help the poor. And of course when
    people in government would come into realization “WHAT IS ENOUGH”?
    and “HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH”? 

    And of course when the citizens, especially the “brickabitz” [pretentious
    bloggers] stop pretending that they know everything and that they don’t need
    reminders and guidance at all.

    To know that you do not know is the best. To pretend to know when you do not
    know is a disease.

     

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

      You are a classic example and a poster boy of the catholic church by admitting how easy it is to manipulate and persuade poor people to have more babies and follow blindly the church. What a hypocrite you are and have the nerve to say you care but you don’t by ignoring the miserable and inhumane conditions of the poor

      • jenny lim

        Proper and discerning governance, fair distribution of taxes, “hands
        on” and “well monitored” livelihood projects, equal
        opportunities for Filipinos in education and “hanap buhay”,
        sustainable aid for farmers; these truly help the poor. And of course when
        people in government would come into realization “WHAT IS ENOUGH”?
        and “HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH”?

        Now, is it hypocrisy to say that?
        Look at yourself. I’m not saying and promoting more babies.  I simply said, simply reducing them does not solve the problem. Reread my post and argue and not just simply react mindlessly.

        To suggest how to attend rightly the miserable is not inhuman. To criticize and simply subscribe to a corrupt measure is suspect.

        Think!

      • boypalaban

         alam mo ba yung caritas manila? ampon sa don bosco? scholars pati mga
        muslim sa mindanao…mga bahay ampunan, home for the aged etc…na
        pinapatakbo ng catholic church?

        kung di mo alam, mas marami pa pala akong alam sa yo kahit di ako katoliko…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/XSHWGLY25MTOGUZUIBF5JT5BZI pdred

        1. You have the right to choose…as long as it’s my choice!
        2. It doesn’t matter if you’re a liar, plagiarist, thief, murderer…as long as you are against the RH Bill.

      • jenny lim

        Cayetano and the RH Bill itself is a copy [photo copy] of UN sponsored universal reproductive health program. 

        It doesn’t matter if the bill is copied in itself and the authors lied and worst some people cheered for their own demise…it’s ok to exercise one’s choice as long as you are in favor of RH Bill.

      • boypalaban

        it doesnt matter if the promoter of this bill has 7 children and a defender of fake president and thief justice….as long as he cares for the poor and the women…hahahahaha…galing ng logic mo…punta ka na sa mga mamamatay na sa gutom…bigyan mo na ng condom…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Your words milo go…poster boy, hypocrite, manipulate….hmmmm says a lot about your personality. The church doesn’t only promote life for Catholics. The Church promotes life for all kahit muslim, buddhist, atheist…. For the church, life is from God. Period.

    • tamumd

      You cannot imagine a nation without faith? Well there are plenty of nations with morals but are mostly atheist. Just take a look at the Scandinavian countries. Those people are the most peaceful, happiest, healthiest and wealthiest in the world. Then take a look at South America…just like us. Very catholic. Poverty, corruption and crime are pervasive. That tells you something about religion.

      • jenny lim

        …wrong! I lived there for two years for my “further studies”…you are gravely wrong! And most people there are not Atheist.  The problem with us, in that sense, is CULTURE.  When it comes to culture (hard work, honest work, dignity of labor, GOBYERNONG HINDI KURAP), dyan tayo talo. 

        …by comparison with scandinavian or european countries, malayo tayo when it comes to culture and government.

        …being Catholic and poor is mere opinion that sells to unbelievers like you…if you are.  And by the way, the whole Europe continent is Catholic…by history. And if you go there and study their culture, you will find out how the Church contributed much in shaping their culture.

      • El_Carnicero

        Yesssss and that’s why the protestant movement started there and is powerful there, because of the oppressive and unreasonable catholic church. 

        FYI, the european nations ALL have mandatory sexual health class in school, all have free access to family planning, etc.

        And then you wonder why they are rich and successful? Because they are EDUCATED and did NOT let the church dictate what women are allowed to know about their own body!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Tamumd and El, when was the last time you watched CNN?….1980?…Watch CNN now. then come back to me pag updated na ang utak nyo….Europe is going down

      • tamumd

        Are you implying that the European economic problems as of late are the result of their being atheists and having RH laws? Please don’t say yes..coz it’ll make a fool out of you. The current mess is related to banking/investment sector mess and poor fiscal management of some governments dragging others in the union by demanding bail outs. It has nothing to do with their religion. Don’t be funny.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Tamumd, atheism is not a religion…..and my answer to your question is a resounding…YES!!…and you think that poor fiscal managemnt is not a result of poor values stemming from being atheist  and low respect for reproduction?

      • tamumd

        Really? If your theory is correct…then the Philippines which is the most religious and most catholic in our part of the world should be free from corruptions and crimes. In fact it’s the opposite.

      • tamumd

        If you want proof of europeans leaving the church in droves. Check out PBS Religion and Ethics Newsweekly: Decline of the Irish Catholic Church. You will be shocked.

      • tamumd

        You are a big time liar. You don’t have to live there to know. Nowadays it’s just a google away. YOu can google the most happiest, healthiest and wealthies nations and right away Scandinavia is at the top. Then google countries with highest concentration of atheist…coz it will lead you again to that same direction.

        Hahahaha…the whole europe is catholic…maybe by history but NOT anymore. That I could tell you I have a personal experience with that. Churches are empty all the time…if not for the constant flow of tourists who are curious about the inside art works more than anything else. Why do you think is Benedict kept on talking about re evangelization of europe/ It’s coz…most of them are turning atheists.

      • boypalaban

         basta ba atheist at condom user ok na?

      • tamumd

        why not? Anything what would make catholic fanatics squirm in anger. lol

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Imagination lang yan ni Tamumd. 

      • tamumd

        You guys are the ones who keep deluding yourselves…even if the truth is already biting you right on your noses.

      • boypalaban

        kasalanan ba yan ng simbahang katoliko o kasalanan ng mga walanghiyang pulitiko at mga nasa gobyerno?

    • jjammess

      You said your working with the urban poor right? What do you think is the difference between the poor and the rich then? One noticeable difference is the number of children right? The poor has double the number of children compared to the rich right?

      • jenny lim

         It’s not absolute, it depends. May iba marami, may iba konti. But one thing I’m sure; middle classes are more happier than the rich kung ang batayan ay ang pagiging magkakasama or family bonding. You want to know. Go to Ayala Alabang village, live there and live in Tondo. So you will know, “first hand”. 

        Of course, about numbers of children in comparison to rich and poor.  Remember that rich in this country is just merely 3 to 5%. Maybe you’re talking about middle class (upper or lower) which compose the majority of Filipinos.  The below poverty line which our politicos paraded are not the vast majority of our population, if you argue, pumasyal ka at maglibot sa buong Pilipinas.

        And as a marriage counselor, I would tell you, the rich have more problems (especially on family matters) than the poor (i’m referring to middle class).

        Kaya nga, pag totoo lang sana ang gobyerno natin, kayang kaya solusyonan ang kahirapan (i’m referring those living below poverty line).  Ang RH Bill, hindi nakakatulong, and it only opens another opportunity for corruption not only of money but Filipino culture of decency and respect in the family. 

      • tamumd

        And you really think if we pass the RH bill the goal is to make millionaires out of those people in Payatas and Baseco? You gotta be kidding. The goal of the RH bill is for those poor souls to be able to plan the size of their family to the number they could humanely feed and roof and clothe and send to school. Just enough so they could get out of their hellish existence and be independent. That is decency and respectable.

      • boypalaban

         tsk tsk…kailangan pa pala ng bilyon bilyong pondo para matuto ang mga mahihirap ng pagiging responsable…haaaay naku….

      • tamumd

        The bilyon bilyong pondo you’re talking about won’t all be used to buy contraceptives. Most of them will be used to build and equip clinics and birthing centers, pay nurses and midwives and doctors, purchase of educational materials etc.

      • xrisp

        Wow look at that !  the government can’t even build enough classrooms ! Can they build for the populace clinics, birthing centers, pay for nurses, midwives, doctors. Wake up young man! 

      • tamumd

        Well our government cannot catch up with the demands for books and classrooms year in and year out coz there are close to 2 million warm bodies that are born every year. If we don’t slow down that trend we would never be able to provide all those needs at all. Hence the need for the bill.

        And yes… part of funding for the RH bill would be used to build and equip those clinics and centers and pay nurses, doctors and midwives. Is that a bad thing? YOu seemed so shocked. You do not want to provide prenatal, perinatal and post natal care to poor expectant mothers? YOu just want them to die bleeding, seizing or having infection? I thought you’re for the sanctity of life? Or you’re showing your hypocrisy?

        If you and your church is so concern about shortage of classrooms how come they only cater their private schools from elementary to college to those who could pay tens of thousands? I will believe your genuine concern if they open 50% of their schools’ enrolment to those poor children from elementary to college. Until that happens….you guys are all just words!

      • xrisp

        It is the gov’t first that should show their sincerity to make things happen.  And quoting what you said ..”the govt cannot catch up…” and will never be able to because they do not look at the dignity of the people they serve as creations of God. If they do, they will not steal money from the gov’t coffers just to enrich themselves and wallow in their riches while the majority suffers.  

      • tamumd

        The government is trying very hard to meet all those needs. In fact the secretary of Education promised that by the beginning of next school year..the shortage for books should be remedied. However your church who is the nosiest…and have lots of school could care less. Coz they only want rich kids to go to their schools. So much of being concern for the flight of the poor b…s.

        You keep harping on the corrupt government officials…well most of them are catholics. So it’s your church failure to empart morals on those people again. In other words your church is useless. It’s just good at collecting money from the congregation.

      • xrisp

        They may be Catholic by name only but not practicing ones. So it will be their problem if they will not be true to their faith which teaches them only goodness.

      • tamumd

        But they are catholics nonetheless.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        // Ang RH Bill, hindi nakakatulong, and it only opens another opportunity for corruption not only of money but Filipino culture of decency and respect in the family. //

        Your argument can be applied to virtually every law being passed. Why aren’t you going after them? 

        As for this so-called Filipino decency and respect, can you cite any concrete ways that having an RH Bill will “corrupt” us? Because from where I’m standing, we already have one of the most corrupt governments in Asia, as well as one of the highest incidences of maternal deaths and teenage pregnancies. 

        And all this, DESPITE us being a predominantly Catholic nation with close ties to the church. 

      • boypalaban

        ibig sabihin kontrolin ang pagdami ng mahihirap?
        e kung kontrolin kaya muna ang pagkaganid ng mga walanghiyang pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Common sense. Of course its expected from them. This is BIG BUCKS for them. What else! $$$$$ mata nila puno ng pera dito! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TNASVGXZ23VCJWV7KO7WPDIKKI George

    sir coupal leader enrile, pleae die now, please!

  • boypalaban

    sa mga proRH, wala na ba talaga kayong ibang argumento bukod sa pedopilya, damaso, overpopulation, pajero bishops,etc? alam na ng marami yan…at di yan ang issue kundi ang bagong pangungurakot ng mga sinumpang mga hinayupak na mga di dinisiplina ng mga engot na magulang na mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…

    wala paulit ulit lang ang mga argumento ninyong sablay…

    di niyo matanggap na utong uto kayo sa mga ganid na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno na magagaling lang magnakaw at isisisi sa mahihirap ang kapalpakan…

    o ano na naman ang bagong argumento ninyo?

    • jenny lim

       …good points bro.!

    • Vince222

      Tama ka dyan boypalaban, maaaring gamitin na naman ito sa pangungurakot. Pero dapat ba pataying ang RH bill dahil lang dyan? Kung maganda nga ito dapat lang ipagpatuloy at dapat bantayan na hindi maging paraan ng pangungurakot.
      Kasi sa argumento mo dapat itigil na lahat ng proyekto ng gobyerno kasi mapupunta lang sa pangungurakot. Ano ang mangyayari sa atin? Kailangan ituloy ang mga magandang proyekto pero dapat lagi tayong magmasid at magsalita laban sa pangungurakot.

      • boypalaban

         sige ipagpatuloy ang NBN ZTE, PEA AMARI, Manila Northrailway project… lahat ng deal kahit may kurapsiyon….

  • boypalaban

     makiki-argumento lang ako kapag may sense na ang argumento ng mga proRH dito…

    sige sambahin ninyo muna si kupal lagman na may pitong anak na malalakas lumamon..na tagapagtanggol ng isa niyo pang idolo na pekeng presidente si gloriaswang…at magnanakaw na thief justice corokot…

    sambahin niyo na rin si cayetano na angas triathlete na bukod tanging triathlete na super angas…pinagtatawanan na yan….

    sambahin niyo rin si tililing…brenda…

    sambahin niyo na rin si tsuping lacson kuratong baleleng badingding….

    sambahin niyo na rin si damaso celdran na gumagamit ng lalake…inamin niya yan…at kaduda dudang sinasabi sa mga turista diyansa Intramuros…

    dami ninyong panginoon…puro sablay…

    • Bidang

      Bakit kayong anti-rh may sense ba argumento ninyo? sabi pa nga ni jun paredes, yung mga anti-rh eh, mahina sila sa reasoning…

      • boypalaban

        uy nabuhay ka bading…
        musta na ang tsinupa mong mga damaso?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

        Hehe! Nice anti RH argument! =D

  • Maitum

    No matter what, I am for the approval of the bill…

    • superpilipinas

      I agree. Let’s pass the FOI bill!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      FOI Bill…Yes!

    • boypalaban

       o simulan mo na mamigay ng condom sa mga pulubi at mamamatay na sa gutom…bilis!

      • Maitum

        It’s more than the condom, Boy. Mamamatay nga sa gutom dahil di nag plano ng pamilya.

  • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

    Di na ikapagtataka kung bakit sumuporta ang mga big business group,, dahil pag na pass ang bill na ito, big profit din…

  • virgoyap

    A very large population due to irresponsible parenthood will bankrupt the businesses. It will increase the rate of crimes, thievery, addiction, robbery and many forms of lawlessness as what has been happening today. Pass the RH bill right away. Even the bill has been enormously deformed due to many adjustments but please pass it as soon as possible.

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. RH will even make more irresponsible people. Imagine taxpayers money sponsoring people who fffcks around everytime they itch and can’t wait. If they want to fffck, let them fffck with their own money.

      Pass the FOI bill for us to generate more income.

      Trash the RH bill so they don’t spend the income for indiscriminate fffckng. .

      • El_Carnicero

        But currently, they all fffck around irresponsibly whenever they itch anyway. Look at all the teenage pregnancies, shotgun weddings, backalley abortions, etc. The RH bill would at least empower them NOT to get pregnant or to be smart enough not to believe all the myths out there, like that a girl cannot get pregnant on her first time, cannot get pregnant during full moon, cannot get pregnant if she’s on top, etc. All myths!!!

      • superpilipinas

        If they want to fffck around, let them fffck with their own money. Not with taxpayer’s money. 

        Use taxpayers money for problems that kill so much people every year….dengue, flooding, etc.

        DOH has declared their surrender to fight Dengue because of limited resources yet their thinking of spending 3 Billion pesos for people who fffck around? I think their brains are covered with condom!

      • tamumd

        Who told you DOH surrendered to fight dengue? You are so lying to your teeth. The fight on dengue and TB and HIV are all on going with the help of international agencies and NGOs which by the way you’re not protesting.

      • superpilipinas

        Inquirer published it. Read the news in August? Google Dengue.

        The number of cases in November is already 137,000.

      • tamumd

        See how big a liar you are? The report talks about increasing cases of dengue and NOT DOH surrendering.

      • virgoyap

         Mostly all countries with a responsible parenthood programs became progressive and a well educated populace, Singapore, Taiwan for example just to mention a few. Cite for me a country without a responsible parenthood program that are economically well off and developed.
        The passage RH bill and FOI bill will give us a good chance to move forward.

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. Singapore is now trying to increase their population. Their population control program has backfired on them and it is irreversible already. Read the news. Same with Norway. Their local population is now being displaced by immigrants and they are now becoming the disadvantaged minority.

        Look at developed countries. They are so liberalized. So much broken families and divorce. The effects are drug addicted and criminal children..

        Problem of the Philippines is corruption over the last 40 years. Nothing to do with parenthood.

        FOI bill enables more progress and more generated income. The corrupt will be eliminated. Pass it!

        RH is government spending. Throwing money every year into bottomless pit. The corrupt will earn money out of it. Trash it.

      • boypalaban

         galing ako diyan sa singapore…binabayaran ang mga mag-asawa para lang magkaroon ng anak…

      • virgoyap

        He he I’m not talking about population control program but responsible parenthood program. There’s a vast difference between the two. The first one is birth control, the other one is rearing a family with a size that is affordable for the couple. Yes, FOI and RH bill are both necessary for our country’s growth and progress.

      • Mother Goose

        Europe, a staunch supporter of reproductive rights, is now grappling with the problem of an aged population.  Imagine the repercussions on their economy.  

        In America, despite state-sponsored abortion and artificial contraception, teenage pregnancy continues to climb.  

        The contraceptive mentality fuels wilder and wilder spring break parties and trivializing sex.  

        If it could happen in highly-educated first world countries, what more in third world states like the Philippines?  

        What we need is not the RH Bill but a strong partnership between the Church and state to provide economic opportunities and strengthen the moral fiber of society.

      • tamumd

        Hahahaha are you deluding yourself?..the Philippines has the highest teen pregnancy rate in our neck of the woods right now. Even without the rh bill.

        The highest teen pregnancy rates in the US occurs in the poorest part of the country called the bible belt from Louisiana, Mississippi to Alabama and Georgia. These are among the poorest states in the union and are conservatively christians. Isn’t that ironic that  the most religious yet poorest and have highest teen pregnancy rates. Sounds familiar?…yeah! Just like us!

      • virgoyap

        I believe that if we have RH law with a strong guidance of the Church, the moral fiber of the state will be strengthened and we can go forward smoothly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    In RH Bill, we kill the
    innocent, we kill those who can’t defend themselves. Here is a human being who
    wants to live but he cannot because he will be killed in RH Bill. We should value
    Life above all as we have received Life. If we don’t value life the most,
    then killing is justified. As Mother Teresa said “If we can accept that a
    mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one
    another?” 

  • NiJuSan

    Unless the Catholic Church find a solution to the current problems we are facing resulting from overpopulation and irresponsible parenthood, I would say that this would be the solution.

    Hindi ba pwede compromise, ituro ng simbahan na maging responsible parent at option na ng tao ang gumamit ng mga contraceptives. 

    • Mother Goose

      It’s the state’s–not the Church’s–responsibility to find a solution to ‘overpopulation and irresponsible parenthood.  What the state is currently proposing is unwise because it will spawn more problems than it seeks to solve.  

      Be that as it may, the Church had always supported natural family planning.  But, of course, big business doesn’t like it because it can’t cash in on the condoms, pills, and whatever other artificial contraceptives they can create ‘core businesses’ on.

      Ginogoyo lang ng mga negosyante si Penoy, at mukhang nagpapagoyo naman ang ‘onion-skinned’ na presidente.  If he does not see through the deception, he’ll be throwing the country off the precipice of social and moral degradation.

      • NiJuSan

        Well. I think the Church has been doing really bad with their drive for natural family planning. Really bad. Masyado na kasi silang nakikialam sa mga problema  ng pulitika which really boils down to the problem of morality, which the Church really plays a big role. Bat di nila paigtingin ang pagtuturo sa mga tao ang tamang asal e di sana walang problema ngayon.

        As a person na may konting alam sa business, magiging beneficial talaga tong Bill na to. Directly(additional income) and indirectly (mas healthy yung mga trabahante nila especially yung mga nanay) kaya di talaga nakapagtataka.

      • boypalaban

         tamang asal ba ang paggamit ng condom…o yung maging responsable na wag makikipag-sex kung di naman kaya o di naman asawa ang ka-partner…

      • NiJuSan

        hindi nga ih. eh bakit meron ng gumagawa nyan… ibig ba sabihin wlang silbi ang simbahan sa pagpapalaganap ng mabuting asal.

      • vendetta07

         it’s the state’s responsibility?  then why is the church trying to act like lawgivers?  maybe if they pay taxes or take care of all the street children then maybe we can listen to them

    • boypalaban

       overpopulation?
      saang saan lugar sa pilipinas ka na ba nagawi?
      ako kasi halos buong pilipinas na…napuntahan ko na…at nagsisiksikan lang sa maynila..at ilang parte sa cebu at davao…rizal nga na dikit lang ng maynila halos walang tao…
      masyado kang nagpapaniwala sa mga ganid na pulitiko…

  • airmango

    i am pro-education. which is what RH Bill aims to accomplish.
    for those that are not aware, RH Bill never mentioned abortion, etc. its aim is to just educate people what their options and choices are.

    sinasabi ng iba, na abortion, etc. people who engage in PMS, but then doesnt want baby, will just throw the baby on the side walk, etc.
    heck, i even read somewhere that a guy convinced a girl to have sex because a virgin cant get pregnant…

    RH Bill aims to educate the people, and i am all for it.

    • jenny lim

       I’m sorry to disagree. Not all forms of education are good. I can educate a thief and murderer how to be excellent in their field. Yes, RH Bill educates, maybe, but such education is suspect because it seems a preparation into using condoms, contraception and soon abortion (pag pumalpak) which it promotes.  RH Bill promotes condom, contraception and then (post abortion clinics)…isn’t it obvious?  It’ll just add the so many domestic problems and troubles in the family and in the community.

    • boypalaban

       educate people? o biyayaan lalo ang mga hinayupak na mga mandarambong na mga pulitikong di dinisiplina ng kanilang mga mandarambong din na mga magulang?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPLUBLEOSERDBOIJTDOC6XIWGU mxsclxmxn

    Common sense! Of course RH Bill will never mention that it supports abortion!  

  • http://www.facebook.com/simoun.magaalahas.10 Simoun Magaalahas

    Matuloy man yung RH Bill na iyan or abortion pa kung ang tao ay di nag iisip about planning useless din…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Ha ha! …Yes, perfect title…..RH Bill = Big Business

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Bakit. Wala bang option ang mga tao NGAYON gumamit ng contraceptives? Hello? 

    • superpilipinas

      Meron. Kaya lang gusto ng mga pushers ng option either to make more money or fffck around for free using tax payers money.

  • Mother Goose

    Hindi nakapagtataka ang suporta ng “big business” for the RH Bill.  They want to profit on the situation. Hehehehehehe…..

    • boypalaban

       pera pera lang naman yan e…kaso may mga uto uto….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

    The opponents of the RH Bill are using all tactics they can to make us believe the sanctity and “morality of their position by quoting the bible and their works to help the poor. But in their so “called” wisdom they have failed miserably to practice what they teach and believe by failing to “SEE” the suffering of millions of poor people who are being manipulated to be humble and subservient and accepting to their plights due to church indifference. The millions of young girls selling their bodies because they have to support their families and the 10 million OFW who are force to look for work outside the country and suffer abused and neglect is a testament to the ultimate hypocrisy of the church and their supporters.

    • Mother Goose

      I don’t think it’s the Church that’s causing  ‘the suffering of millions of poor people.’  

      They’re poor because the state hasn’t provided them with quality education and economic opportunities, thus the reality of ‘millions of young girls selling their bodies…to support their families, and the 10M ofw’s.  

      In the face of the government’s failure to provide jobs and adequate social services, it is instead pushing for the naive solution of population control through artificial contraception.  

      Napakasimpleng mag-isip ng administrasyong ito!  

      • vendetta07

        how about stop blaming the government and start doing things for yourselves!  like what an american president famously said, ‘ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.’

        the RH bill gives power to the people by letting them plan their families so that they can save for the future of their children. 

        also, most employers are from the private sector, so the government doesn’t magically create jobs.

         

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

        Are you living in a fantasy world or what? Who is the major influence of our government since the Spanish time and dictating the actions of compliant politicians? If you say otherwise you must be a blind dog who follow the beat of a gong obediently. What you are and many more Filipinos is the lack of courage to stand up and do the right thing instead of looking at reality. Look at the other countries of south east Asia who are non Christians and are blessed compared to us. You are living in real fantasy and cocooned by misinformation from the church and lack the backbone to speak what is right instead of what is “SINFUL”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Fetuses are collected by priests and nuns in hospitals so they can be prayed upon and have a descent burial. …..2006 Vietnam has 69% women use of artificial contraception,….. and has highest abortion rate in the world. Fetuses are fed to the pigs. 

      • glenn padilla

        mas simple ka pa ngang mag.isip kesa sa administrasyong to. how can the government support all the 93+M Filipinos with so much limited resources?

      • No Mind

        They are poor because the church’s prayer for them to be given food was never heard by God. It only means God is not with them!

      • boypalaban

         e ikaw ba namigay ka ng food mo para makakain sila kahit papaano?

    • boypalaban

      wala palang kinalaman ang mga mandarambong na mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno sa paghihirap ng pilipinas…
      galing ng logic mo…
      mamigay ka na ng condom sa mga mamamatay na sa gutom…
      pangatawanan mo yang adhikain mong sablay…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

    The argument they are advancing with the encouragement of the bishops and the automatic adoption by their minions of the potential profits made by pharmaceutical companies runs straight into their practice of collecting Sunday money to support the expensive lifestyle of the church while ignoring the absence of decent housing for the poor. These so called men of god are nothing more than a misrepresentation of the actions of a Holy Man who died and live simply 2000 years ago to save us all from the hypocrisy and abuse

    • boypalaban

      si lagman pala na tagasulong niyan ay di ipokrito….yung idol mo tagapagtanggol ng pekeng presidente at magnanakaw na thief justice…

      wala kang consistency…pagdating sa abuse ang hypocrisy…siguro sa paggamit ng condom consistent ka…pero wag kang magtiwala nang husto…walang condom manufacturer ang nagsasabi na safe 100% ang condom nila sa AIDS,HIV,unwanted pregnancy…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

        I am debating or struggling whether I should respond to a person with a brain the size of a maggot. You have been posting a lot with illogical consequence possibly the result of abuse by your protector the church. Since you do not like condoms or any form of contraceptives I assume you satisfy your fantasy by master sting with your hand

      • boypalaban

        oo ikaw lang ang magaling…
        pakibanggit nga, palagay ko wala kang alam, kung anong mga ahensiya ng pamahalaan ang tumutugon sa housing needs…nagagawa ba?
        o mas nagagawa ang pangungurakot…
        mag-isip ka kung meron ka…
        huwag puro condom…
        ok na kamay gamitin ko…kesa pagamit sa gaya ni damaso celdran na isa mo ring idolo…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      And who is best to represent HIM, you, Milo go? Our sinfulness cannot stop God from using us. He is bigger than sins……..much, much bigger.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2MISUWKT65BF23JNKAOPO7FIDQ Alleah

    Ba’t Di binanggit ng mga PADRE DAMASO, na ‘mababawasan’ ang kontribusyon sa SIMBAHAN NI DAMASO pag ‘komonti na ang Populasyon?? Come on, the DAMASOs are affected much kaya ganito..

    • boypalaban

       kinokontra mo yata sinasabi mo…
       
      bakit nga pala gustong gusto ng mga pulitiko yan…13.7bilyon sa taong 2012 pa lang…

    • Mother Goose

      Wrong logic dahil di naman compulsory ang kontribusyon sa Katoliko di tulad ng born again.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      Alleah, hindi ka siguro Katoliko kaya hindi mo nakikita kung anong peso bill ang popular sa simbahan – yung pinakamaliit ang halaga. ……..Others do not give at all. And for the church, that doesn’t really matter because what’s in the heart is more important.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    The word is …natural…nature’s way

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    The word is ….natural…nature’s way

  • Gerry Salvador

    these gay pedophiles should learn how stay out of politics by now.

    • RomyLitz

      Their Fr. Damaso legacy is still there, what else? Pnoy has the support now of the protestants and business people.

      • boypalaban

         kung marami bang sumusuporta ibig sabihin tama at maayos na batas yan?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        You got him, boy

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        Not necessarily, but I do think these businessmen have a better grasp of reality than the ghouls in robes. 

    • boypalaban

       di ka ba ginamitan ng condom nung niyari ka sa puwet?
      o di ka nasarapan nung isinubo mo kargada ni damaso celdran?

  • RomyLitz

    Melvin Castro,

    Population explosion is too farfetched to the Philippines. Japan’s land area is smaller than the Philippines and they have more than 130 million people. Yet their GNP is 40 times our country. Indonesia have 200 million or double than the Philippines and yet again their GNP is higher than our country. What then is CBCP’s basis for anti-RH bill..Politics like Fr. Damas did in Dr. Rizal’s time?

    • boypalaban

       what then is the basis of corrupt politicians promoting this bill?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_POBZSV5PGTGUS3YA2KR2NZI3HA Alex

        Funny, reminds me of Prolife Symphosium that features Mitos, Atong Corona and Kit Tatad among others, to be held in Cebu.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

      Boring yung Fr. Damaso argument mo. Nothing else in your brain? Pag nagdebate ka, you should have a lot to put on the table.

  • cleoan

    The catholic church is also a big business organization.

    • boypalaban

      di ako katoliko…pero usapan ba dito ang catholic church?

      bakit di pag-usapan buhay ng mga pulitikong nagsusulong niyan gaya ni kupal lagman na may pitong malalakas lumamon na anak at tagapagtanggol ng idol mong si gloriarrovo at magnanakaw na thief justice at idol mo ring si coronarrovo?

      • cleoan

        what makes you think GMA is my idol? i abhore GMA. But that’s a totally different issue.

        I am pro-life because i am pro-quality life.. and i strongly believe that this RH Bill can help achieve that.

        These big businesses may benefit financially if RH Bill gets implemented, but personally i prefer working with / for people who have clear and present minds. I think this is where the big business based their stand from.

        i am a catholic but there are issues that my stand is different from the church. This is one of them.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Pro-quality life ka….e pag walang quality ang life? ayaw mo? anong gagawin mo sa mga mahirap? Eradicate?…………. If you think we will have all quality life because of RH Bill, your wrong. Try to google poverty in the USA – the richest country in the world.

      • cleoan

        Medyo hindi masyado kalaliman ang analysis mo sa comment ko. The mere fact that an RH Bill was created is an acknowledgment already of the existence of less fortunate filipinos. And me supporting that bill, is clear enough acknowledgment that i am aware of the poverty level our country has.

        And, btw, i am not saying that only the RH Bill can improve the quality of our lives. For now, it is the solution that is being proposed, which i believe is based on in-dpeth studies and statistics.

        To this line of yours “Pro-quality life ka….e pag walang quality ang life? ayaw mo? anong gagawin mo sa mga mahirap? Eradicate?…………. i don’t think i need to reply. masyadong “kalye-type” of analysis and it doesnt help your stand.

        If you don’t think the RH Bill can help improve quality of life, what can you suggest then?

      • Ganymede

        So ano gusto mo managyari? Status quo nalang? Ayaw mo umunlad buhay ng mga Pilipino. Ayaw mo i eradicate ang kahirapan?

      • boypalaban

        at naninwala ka naman sa mga patutsada ng mga sinungaling at magnanakaw na mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…

      • boypalaban

        i am not a catholic but i agree with some of their points regarding the RH Bill….

        and i am not convinced that, even with billions of funds for this bill/law, the poor will have a decent life…

        nothing will prosper if these epal, corrupt, undisciplined politicians and government officials will act according to their instinct: THAT IS TO STEAL…FUND FOR THE WOMEN AND THE POOR? hahahaha…fund for their mansions and keridas….

      • cleoan

        i don’t like politics and politicians. yeah, they will try to milk this new Bill but if let’s say half of that actually reach our less fortunate fellowmen, it’s not a bad amount. i am not condoning corruption but if that’s the reality we are facing, i think we (i am assuming here that you have never engaged in any form of corruption) should be more vigilant as watchdogs (this is under the assumption that you actually care about the poor and not just policitian-bashing. these are two different things btw). 

        masyado kang negative boy. hindi pa nga naimplement, failure na for you.

        btw, u did not answer my question (first sentence).

      • angtangamo

        So what you are saying is the RH Bill could be effective if the budget allocated for it is used for its intended purpose? As long as the corrupt politicians do not use the budget for the RH bill as another source of corruption then the RH bill
        could be effective? Tama ba ang pagkaka intindi ko sa sinabi mo?

  • marionics

    bilib din talaga ako sa mga defenders on the ramparts dito. each and every FÚCKING time that an article about rh comes up they all come and repeat their insults to each other over and over and over and over ad nauseum. alaaaaaaang kasawa sawa

  • boypalaban

    ako na ang magpo-post ng paulit ulit na argumento ng mga pro RH:

    DAMASO
    OVERPOPULATION
    PAJERO BISHOPS
    SUV
    DARK AGES
    KAILANGANG KAILANGAN NA….

    hahahahha….wala nang ibang matinding argumento…puro out of topic…

    punta kayo sa mga damaso…baka bigyan kayo ng sobra sa abuloy…

    o punta kayo sa mga ganid at walanghiyang mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…baka mabigyan kayo ng condom at parte ng ninanakaw nila at nanakawin pa…

    AT PAG NAKAKUHA NA KAYO NG CONDOM…SIMULAN NIYO NAMAMIGAY SA MGA MAMAMATAY NA SA GUTOM, SA MGA STREETCHILDREN, WALANG PANG-TUITION, WALANG MAAYOS NA BAHAY, WALANG TRABAHO…BIGYAN NIYO NG CONDOM…kailangang kailangan na nila…KAYO ANG MAYSABI NIYAN…

  • generalproblem

    yang mag big busines na yan kaya suportado nila ang RH bill dahil ano pa di sila ang magbebenta ng condom, pills, mga pampalaglag at iba pa. kaya nga bisnisman sila ehhhhhe 

    • boypalaban

       gaya ni manny pacman pangilinan….

      • generalproblem

        ngeek sino yun

  • d2yan

    “Among those present at the summit held at the Philippine International Convention Center (PICC) in Pasay City were FORMER PRIME MINISTER Cesar Virata, FORMER FOREIGN SECRETARY Roberto Romulo, FORMER HEALTH SECRETARY Esperanza Cabral, FORMER BUDGET SECRETARY Benjamin Diokno, HEALTH UNDERSECRETARY Teodoro Herbosa etc. etc. etc.”
     
    Nasaan ang mga big businessmen dyan sa taas?  Dapat hindi “BIG BUSINESS BACKS RH BILL” ang heading ng article.  Mas tama ito – “FORMER POLITICIANS BACK RH BILL”.  Di ba iba ang impact? 

    • boypalaban

       Cesar Virata…nakinabang nung panahon ng diktadurang Marcos na naglugmok ng marami sa kahirapan…at ngayon isisisi sa mga mahihirap ang epekto ng kanilang kawalanghiyaan!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QKWKD2SIVBNXCVAXXFUN37OCY4 bsf

     Our stand as catholic: Every birth is a gift from
    God; every new life, a blessing, every birth a cause for rejoicing and
    praising God who create new life only out of love.

    Our country’s positive birth rate and a population composed of mostly
    young people are the main players that fuel the economy. A fact that
    even the government itself acknowledges as it is determined to feed,
    educate and keep the young people healthy.

    And rightly so, for even our Constitution acknowledges that human resource is a primary source of social and economic force.

    Earlier this year, the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas reported that the
    hard-earned salaries of overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) that were sent
    to their families for the first 11 months last year amounted to $18.3
    billion, which is 7.3 percent increase in the same period in 2010.

    Filipino men and women who endure the travails of working in foreign soil play a significant role in propping up our economy.

    The country’s robust population is a big push to our economy,
    according to former US president Bill Clinton, local and international
    financial institutions and the public sector.

    It is therefore quite disturbing when the country is told that having
    too many school children is a burden to the national budget.

    Can we have enough of schooled, skilled, diligent and highly driven young people who are a driving force of economic progress?

    The draconian population control policy of the reproductive health
    bill would only curtail our economic growth. The problem of countries
    with former robust economies is the lack of young workers for their
    industries and inadequate support for their aging population.

    The issue in maternal death as it has been mentioned is a serious
    concern. But the solution does not lie in suppressing births as provided
    in the RH Bill.

    Providing proper and adequate maternal care could be done without
    passing the RH bill, but by strengthening and improving access to
    existing medical services.

    There is an ill portent for the nation when the government does not
    look at its own population as a source of grace and blessing.

    There is a grave reason to worry when the government would rather
    suppress the population through RH bill instead of confronting the real
    causes of poverty. Archbishop Palma of Cebu

    • cleoan

      What is/are the real cause/s of poverty then? Unemployment? What causes unemployement? Not enough jobs available in the country? Who is being blamed for low employment rate? the Government. Who is trying to solve the problem now? the Government. Who complains a lot that life is hard? the Poor. Who is the object of this RH Bill? the Poor.

      One last question. What is the church doing (or at least having concrete, implementable, tangible plan/proposal)? I am not totally discounting what the church has done / is doing for the poor. But with coffers filled to the brim, i say there’s more they can do. 

    • xrisp

      Thank you po. I am proud to be a Catholic!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NVBS2TMY6B7OGOA6474TYIQDJE Cristobel

      if the Church was like a true Mother to her children she would tell them to consider their children as gifts from God and not the product of recreational activity!!!!  Here in the Diocese of the NDF where I live, we have one of the highest birth rates amongst teens and unwed mothers in this country. Higher even than in Metro Manila, and yet our pastors lead by their old sick and heavily medicated Shepard concern themselves with telling to faithful how who to vote for and with building fountains in front of their residences… not teaching the young a firm moral and spiritual foundation to build their lives upon.. When the Church learns ro behave properly the people will listen Otherwise the Philippines will be like Brazil and Latin America where the Church has lost her privileged  position as #1 and been replaced by a multitude of “born-again” movements.  Our Bishops and clergy should awaken and repent from their arrogance!  Cardinals Vidal & Palma for example have lost their moral ascendancy when they attempted to shield the teen sex abuser and self confessed Ivory smuggler.. and now they want to tell the rest of us how to behave….what a joke!!! 

      • cleoan

        same here… what i think the church can do is remind all its believers the teachings of the church to enlighten them and be guided when picking a stand on the issue, not holding them in the throat.

    • vendetta07

       actually there are many tiny countries with small populations that have a good economy.  even a tiny country like singapore with a falling birth rate has an economy more than double the philippines. 

      there are different ways of increasing productivity.  the old-fashioned way is through more manpower or more land.  nowadays, clever people invent new technologies to do more work with less people.

      so in addition to trying to moonlight as lawgivers, the church wants to play economist also?  where were they for the past thirty years when PH really needed some economic advice? 

       

      • boypalaban

        i lived in singapore…
        why don’t you mention that couples are paid when they give birth to a child?

      • vendetta07

        to strengthen my argument? sure. it just shows that those countries have so much money that they can afford to pay mothers.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        As compared to our women here, whom the church wants to expel from school if they’re pregnant. 

      • boypalaban

        that is their policy…they do it to protect the image of the school…that the school reserves the right not to allow someone who tarnishes the school’s image…just like in some corporations…you may be fired if you do something against company policies and even against the laws of the Philippine republic.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        //just like in some corporations…you may be fired if you do something against company policies and even against the laws of the Philippine republic.//

        Um, no. Accredited corporations here in RP provides pregnant employees with maternal leave. Firing somebody for having a baby can be considered grounds for unfair job discrimination. 

        You’ve never worked in an office before, have you?

        //that is their policy…they do it to promote the image of the school…that the school reserves the right not to allow someone who tarnishes the school’s image…//So basically, their “image” matters more than the woman’s well-being. Tell me something I don’t know. 

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      //Can we have enough of schooled, skilled, diligent and highly driven young people who are a driving force of economic progress?//

      The reality is that a very large portion of the births in the Philippines won’t equate to the educated, skilled and driven workforce archbishop Palma would like to lead us to think. 

      Most of them, due to lack of funding from their families, won’t finish grade school – that the harsh reality that Palma won’t acknowledge, and frankly, I don’t think he’s in any position to be dispensing empty rhetoric when it’s obvious he doesn’t understand the situation of each individual mother he’s attempting to speak to. 

      //The issue in maternal death as it has been mentioned is a serious concern. But the solution does not lie in suppressing births as provided in the RH Bill.

      Providing proper and adequate maternal care could be done without passing the RH bill, but by strengthening and improving access to existing medical services.//Palma is either lying or has not read the RH Bill. The bill isn’t out to suppress births – it’s intended to provide women with the ability to make an informed choice about their family size. And while he talks about providing medical services, it’s not hard to see that people like him are doing the exact opposite, such as when Atienza imposed a contraceptive ban in Manila during his term. And let’s not forget that contraceptive ban they tried to impose on Ayala Alabang, against the wishes of the residentsDid these moves help our men and women? Hardly. 
      And his quip that we can do this without the RH Bill, does he know that we now have among the highest incidences of teen pregnancies in the region? How can he consider it a grace and blessing knowing that just making women give birth makes it harder for them to finish schooling, hence making it harder for them to seek better employment opportunities?

  • d2yan

    It is OBVIOUS that the summit result is PRO RH BILL because it is a FAMILY PLANNING SUMMIT.  Obviously and common sense, the ANTIS do not attend that.
     
    Now, if you call a PRO LIFE SUMMIT and invite representatives from PCCI, ECOP, MBC, MAP, PBSP the INQUIRER will come out with this headline “BIG BUSINESS OPPOSES RH BILL”.  Bwa ha ha ha ha…
     
    Media mileage lang ito.  Problema sa antis kulang sila PUBLICITY GIMMICK.  Nauunahan sila palagi…kamot na lang sila sa ulo..he he he

    • boypalaban

      tama ka…napapansin ko sa mga poster/tarpaulin ng mga anti ..NO TO RH BILL…di nga maipaliwanag kung bakit…

      • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.g.solidarios Eugene Garcia Solidarios

         kung may konsensya tayong lahat at may pag mamahal sa  buhay. BUHAY na di kanyang ibigay kahit seyensya(science) paman dahil ito ay sa Kanya lamang magmumula at tayoy tagapag pangalaga lamang.

    • Ganymede

      Di ba nagrally yun mga anti dati? Hindi ba publicity gimmick yun? hehe

  • thecop

    if there is 30 million less filipinos I assure you that there will be budget surplus..tsk tsk tsk. Mr. Diokno,
    you are wrong. Even if only 50% of all politicians and  government officials are not corrupt, we will have 
    budget surplus. 

    • boypalaban

      tumpak!

      isang libo mang batas para sa kababaihan at mahihirap at popondohan ng bilyon bilyon…kung kukurakutin din lang…wala rin….

      kung ano ano nang ahensiya ginawa ng gobyerno…may nangyayari ba?

      yumayaman lang mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…eto na namang RH Bill, bagong gatasan…kikita na sila…bida pa sila…

      kapag di umubra yang batas na yan…sasabihin ng mga yan…”mga mahihirap kasi sobrang hihilig…wala na kaming magagawa…”…
      pero naka secure na mga pondo para sa future ng pamilya nila pati para sa mga kerida nila….

      akala siguro ng mga pulitiko na ‘to lahat kaya nilang utuin….

  • http://www.facebook.com/flowsotelo Flow Sotelo

    Castro said, “a large population means a large economic base and a large consumer base.” – not necessarily. Kasi, kung malaki nga ang population mo, pero majority naman ay asa lang sa gobyerno dahil hindi nabigyan ng sapat ng edukasyon dahil kapos sa pam-pamasahe o pambaon sa araw-araw, hindi rin magiging part ng consumer base ang mga taong ito. Dapat, balanse, malaking populasyon nakayang gastusan ang sariling mga pangangailangan ang kailangan natin sa bansa.

  • boypalaban

    “I think this sums up what you can do for the country,” added Romulo, chairman of the Zuellig Family Foundation. 

    ZUELLIG…ito ba yung pharmaceutical firm?

    kung eto yon…e syempre tiba-tiba si Romulo niyan….

    • Iamtommy

      doesn’t change the fact that contraception is a an essential medicine that aids people live a decent life. if ayaw mo ng meron company na nagiging profitable. then pumunta ka sa gubat. dont be a hypocrite.

      • boypalaban

        contraceptives essential medicine?
        sakit ba ang pagbubuntis? paano nangyari yon?

        kapag nagco-condom pala mamumuhay na ng disente…

        kahit mga druglords na business ang pagdo-droga syempre gusto kumita…pero sa anong paraan?

        at saka yung idol mong si romulo…kaya naman pala gusto niyan e…syempre kikita siya…kung wala bang kikitain siya, ok kaya sa kanya yan?

      • Iamtommy

        by whose definition na when you say essential medicine it has to cure diseases lang? that’s a very reactive way of looking at things. the reason why UN and WHO included contraception as essential medicine is because they are being proactive (it aids people). contraception aids couples and families live a decent life because they have a choice to family plan. HINDI SPREAD TOO THINLY AND RESOURCES ng isang pamilya. they can live a decent and comfortable life. give the couple that choice.

        Ofcourse, you’re asking “pero sa anong paraan” kasi nga you consider contraception as a scourage of society.

        Again kung galit ka kung meron kikitang kumpanya, quit your day job if you have, dont consume anything produced by these companies and live in a jungle. lastly sobrang hirap  sagutin ang last question mo kasi when you raise that it’s tantamount to dismissing all his life’s work. nabasa mo nga lang nang husga ka na kagad sa motive niya. so you’re not the best person to be asking that.

      • boypalaban

        kahit yung may 12 billion scam kumita rin e..tama?

        bakit naman ako magagalit sa matitinong kumpanya?

        sagutin mo lang ang tanong ko: kung walang business interest yang si Romulo sa isang pharmaceutical company, ok pa rin kaya sa kanya yang RH Bill?

        yan ang tinatawag na conflict of interest (kahit di sa gobyerno), o kaya suspicious motive…o kaya PROMOTION OF BUSINESS INTERESTS…

      • Iamtommy

         

         

        The reason why you keep on comparing pharma companies to
        drug lords and 12B investment scammers is because you consider contraception as
        a scourge to society.  Counter first the
        points I have raised to prove your point that contraception is wrong.  That’s the bottom line you think contraception
        is wrong that’s why you’re questioning romulo’s 
        motive. there might be conflict of interest. But on the flipside if he
        really believes that contraception will help this country (which I also believe)
        then all the more he should promote contraception and his company. Also what
        makes you think that zuellig will profit from this? When the day comes the govt
        will procure contraception, it will go thru public bidding. ( because if we
        follow your logic, Corporations should not support public-private partnership
        because they will earn from this even if the country badly needs infrastructure
        the govt cannot provide as of the moment)  

      • abner

         naku? para kang taga gobyerno…kunyari idadaan sa bidding at paniniwalain ang taong bayan na dumaan sa bidding….eh un pala eh napag usapan na at alam na kung kanino mapupunta ang project…

      • Iamtommy

        mahirap makipagdebate sayo kasi puro accusations ka at theories. at lumilihis sa usapan. zuellig pharma ang pinasuusapan eh. so you mean to say zuellig pharma and romulo have been pushing for rh bill for 10 years (10 years na sa congress ang rh bill) para sa bidding sa kanila mapunta yun project?? oh how.

        oo possible nangyayari yan talaga sa mga bidding ng government pero kung completely wala kang tiwala sa gobyerno eh di umalis ka dito sa pilipinas. kung galit ka talaga sa “bidding” dapat hindi lang sa contraception ka umalma, umalma ka sa lahat ng government bidding.

      • Iamtommy

         by whose definition na when you say essential medicine it has to cure
        diseases lang? that’s a very reactive way of looking at things. the
        reason why UN and WHO included contraception as essential medicine is
        because they are being proactive (it aids people). contraception aids
        couples and families live a decent life because they have a choice to
        family plan. HINDI SPREAD TOO THINLY AND RESOURCES ng isang pamilya.
        they can live a decent and comfortable life. give the couple that
        choice.

        Ofcourse, you’re asking “pero sa anong paraan” kasi nga you consider contraception as a scourage of society.

        Again kung galit ka kung meron kikitang kumpanya, quit your day job if
        you have, dont consume anything produced by these companies and live in a
        jungle. lastly sobrang hirap  sagutin ang last question mo kasi when
        you raise that it’s tantamount to dismissing all his life’s work. nabasa
        mo nga lang nang husga ka na kagad sa motive niya. so you’re not the
        best person to be asking that.

  • boypalaban

    “I hate to say this but it is in (Mr. Aquino’s) hands. If he is as
    passionate as he was in the impeachment of Chief Justice Renato Corona,
    he could have this done,” Diokno said. 

    e yung FREEDOM OF INFORMATION BILL para malaman namin mga kinukurakot ninyo, di ba talaga priority?

  • boypalaban

    “I find it offensive that what I consider human rights—access to
    reproductive health and contraceptives—can be put aside by one high
    government official as if the lives of women are not that important,”
    Cayetano said in Filipino and English. 

    offensive din ang popondohan yan para lang kurakutin…kunwari pa para sa mahirap at kababaihan…
    ubos na populasyon ng mahihirap, pgakaganid ninyo…dynasty epal…di pa mababawasan…

    pakisabihan nga pala utol mo na ang aga mangampanya….nabubulol pa magsalita….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

    • boypalaban

       hoy damaso celdran…ilang bata ang inabuso mo kagabi?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        FATHER BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ WAG KA NG MAG PANGGAP IKAW YAN ALAM KO BAKLA KANG PARI KA GUS2 MO PALIGUAN KITA NG TAMOD SA MUKA MONG MUKANG GALUNGGONG PITIFUL

      • boypalaban

        UNANG UNA “THANK YOU” SA PAG-LIKE MO NG KOMENTO KO SA TAAS…

        PANGALAWA…IKAW NAMAN ANG MAG “THANK YOU” SA MGA TSINUPA MO KAGABI DIYAN SA INTRAMUROS…

        PUNTA KA SA OPISINA NG CBCP DIYAN SA INTRAMUROS, BAKA PATI MATATANDANG OBISPO PINAGBABALAKN MO RING TSUPAIN…MAAWA KA….

      • marionics

        init mo ngayon boy a. di ka pa ba pagod kakabanat sa isyung ito? ako naghihintay na lang ako ng botohan sana kung mangyari man. otherwise di na ako halos nagbabasa ng mga komento at nakakasawa na din e

      • boypalaban

        thanks pare…
        nagsasawa na rin ako e…
        tama ka…paulit ulit….mga pro at mga anti…
        minsan kailangan ko ring mapaalalahanan…thanks pre…

      • marionics

        kelangan lang diyan ay malamig na bote he he

      • boypalaban

         hik…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    BAKIT SA NEW ZEALAND MAS MARAMI ANG BAKA SA TAO AT MAS MARAMI TRABAHO SA MGA TAO” SARAP TUMIRA DUN SA PILIPINAS PURO BISHOPS NA TERORISTA MARIRINIG MO SA TELIVISION BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ MUKANG GALUNGGONG ANG MUKA AT SI MONSINYOR BACANI MANYAKIS SABI NG MGA BISHOPS NA ITO MORE STREET CHILDREN MORE ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • boypalaban

      IKAW LANG NAGSASABI NIYAN DAMASO CELDRAN…
      KUMUSTA MGA TSINUPA MO KAGABI?
      GINAMITAN MO BA NG CONDOM?

    • jinx

      Oo nga ano? Kaya sarap nga tumira diyan. Mas maraming tao, mas puwerhisyo. Tulad na lang dito sa Pinas. Magbabayad ka na nga sa pinamili mo, pipila ka pa. Halos lahat ng sulok puno ng tao, kaya magulo, maingay. Itsura ng Pinas bro, ay nasasalamin din dito sa mga posts. Tingnan mo mga postings ng anti-RH, marami lang at paulit-ulit ang nag-comment, pero walang laman pinagsasabi.

      • boypalaban

        mga perwisyo dito mga idol mong magnanakaw na pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno…at puro sisi sa mahihirap ang kapalpakan nila…

        at mga proRH lang pala ang may laman…
        basahin mo mga komento ng idol mong si edgardo mendoza kung may sense…

        at saka may laman nga pala mga komento ninyo…CONDOM

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        Jinx, lumabas ka naman ng Maynila. Manila is not the whole Philippines. It’s the duty of the government to spread out investment to provinces para mag spread out ang tao. Businesses cannot do that if there are no good program from government. 

  • jinx

    Tama na pakiki-alam ng simbahang katoliko sa lahat na lang ng gagawin ng pamahalaan. Hanggang dak-dak at pagtutuligsa lang sila, pero totoo niyan, wala silang nai-contribute para sa kabutihan ng bansa. Mahigit 500 na taon na po sila naghahari-harian, pero ano nangyari? Tumataas lang bilang ng live-in, teenage pregnancy, illegitimate children, aborsyon, at broken families.  Pati mga instrumento nila sa senado, mga walang kwenta lang. Si sotto puro kopya ang alam. Si enrile, tumatanda ng paurong. Si Lapid, isa ring bobo naniniwala pa rin sa hilot at albularyo, si estrada, haay naku, dinadaan lang sa pag-aartista.  Kaya kung gusto natin umasenso ang Pinas, panahon na para wakasan ang impluensiya ng simbahang katoliko at mga trapo.

    • boypalaban

      sige pasabugin mo na ang ADMU,DLSU,UST,AdU,SBC,SSC,etc…

      pagkatapos mong pasabugin…katayin mo lahat ng graduate niyan kasi wala palang matinong produkto ang mga yan….

      tapos isunod mo naman mga simbahan…pati mga libingan ng katoliko….

      at kapag naisagawa mo na…mamigay ka na ng condom sa mga mamamatay na sa gutom…kailangang kailangan na nila….magkakagulo na kapag di sila nabigyan…mas gusto nila yan kesa sa pagkain, gamot, pamasahe, pangmatrikula, pantapal sa bahay, damit,etc…

      ok panahon na para wakasan ang impluwensiya ng simbahang katoliko at mga trapo….pwede mo nang simulan…time starts now…..

      • jinx

         basura comment, not worth a reply.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

        tongue tied ka jinx……….Go boy!!!

      • boypalaban

        yung presidente mong proRH produkto ng Ateneo…wlang kwenta ba?
        yung si Riza Hontiveros mo…produkto ng Ateneo..wlang kwenta ba?

        puro pala walang kwenta mga tagapagtaguyod ng batas ng pang-uuto e…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ULW3TQ5LAJBDUMD32JVJAMTMFY Jojo

      Naisip mo rin pala ang jinx ang ang tumataas ang bilang ng live-in, teenage pregnanc, illegitimate children, aborsyon at broken families. Bakit Simbahan Katoliko ang sinisisi mo dapat ang sisihin mo ang sarili mo, ang Gobyerno at ang tao na gumagawa ng kasalanan. Alam ng Simbahan na bawal ang magsama ng hindi pa sila kasal, aborsyon, illigitimate children, teenage pregnancy at broken families ngunit tao ang gumagawa. Isa pa meron namang batas ang pag-aasawa na Edad 18 ang babae at Edad 21 ang lalaki, ngayon jinx sino ang mali ang Simbahan o Gobyerno o ang tao… Kung sa tingin mo si Sotto ay nangungupya bakit ang Gobyerno nangungupya din naman dahil ang RH-Bill ay implemented na sa ibang bansa na gusto rin nilang iimplement din dito sa Pinas. Mag-isip ka nga bago mo husgahan ang Simbahang Katoliko.

      • jinx

        So may nagawa ba ang simbahan mo sa patuloy na pagtaas ng imoralidad? That is the 1 million dollar question. Sagutin mo yan dahil kayo itong mga self-righteous, mga holier than thou individuals. Bakit ako at ang gobyerno ang sisihin mo? Kayo itong experto sa moralidad ‘daw’ at panghuhusga kung sino masama, sino mabuti. Ngayon, kung walang nagawa ang simbahan mo sa patuloy na pagtaas ng imoralidad at kahirapan, tumigil na kayo sa pakikialam.  Dahil ang number one isyu pinaglalaban niyo sa RH bill ay ang isyung moralidad. Ngunit mahigit 5 siglo ng walang nagawa ang simbahan mo. Kaya mga flocks na lang atupagin nyo dahil dun kayo nababagay— hindi sa pamamahala ng gobyerno o ng pamilya o ng ekonomiya.

        Nasa Bible pa nga ang kasabihan, “render unto Caesar’s the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things which are God’s”.

        Ngayon ang RH bill ay batas para sa bansa, kaya tungkulin ng gobyerno ang pangangalagaan ang sambayanan lalo na ang matagal ng abused na mga Pinay. Ang tungkulin ng Simbahan ispiritwal…..dun sa simbahan at mag-sermon. Ang magagawa niyo lang ay ipagdasal na umayos mga tao at gobyerno.  Dahil kung talagang may Diyos na nakikinig sa inyo, di niyo na kelangan pang maki-alam sa ginagawa ng administrasyon at hayaan niyong kumilos ang ispiritwal na puwersa ng Diyos.

        Bakit mga clergy sa ibang asensadong bansa tulad ng Canada at Italy nakakasunod sa kautusan na to? Bakit Pinas na mahirap, nangunguna sa pakiki-alam mga pari dito?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ULW3TQ5LAJBDUMD32JVJAMTMFY Jojo

        Walang magagawa ang simbahan sa tinutukoy mo na pagdami ng imoralidad, dahil tao ang gumagawa niyan… Ang may magagawa ang Gobyerno ngunit di naman ito pinatutupad at ang Batas nasa sinasabi mo nagpapatawa ka lang dahil ito ay para lang sa mayayaman lamang, at ang RH Bill ay Anti Poor.  Kung ito ay maipapatupad ang batas na sinasabi mo dadami ang makasalanan, matutuwa ang malaking pagawaan ng Condom, Contraceptives atbp… dahil every year palagi na silang makakapegbenta sa Gobyerno. Suwerte naman nila walang kahirap hirap na kukuha ng pera sa Gobyerno kada taon. Kung isa ka sa makikinabang sa RH Bill ay magkaron ka naman ng kahihiyan, gagamit ka ng babae hihingi ka pa ng Condom sa Gobyerno at pag nabuntis naman ay hihingi ka ng contraceptives baka sakaling mapigilan ang paglaki ng tiyan.
        Gumamit ka pa ng verse sa Bible ngunit di mo naman naiintindihan… “Ang sa Diyos ay para sa Diyos at ang kay Ceasar ay para kay Ceasar”. Na ang ibig sabihin ang “Ang sa Diyos ay para Diyos” ay ang ikapu o ang pag-aalay at ang para kay Ceasar naman ay ang Buwis.
        Naway magkaron ang Gobyerno ng batas sa pag-aasawa  na ang edad ng babae ay 18 at ang lalaki ay 21. Alam naman ng Gobyerno ang tungkol diyan bakit ayaw nila ipatupad.

      • jinx

        Mga mahilig mangangaliwa katoliko. Nangangabit na nga ayaw pang gumamit ng contraceptives. Ano naman kagagawin ng gobyerno diyan? Susundan kung saan pupunta si mister habang nambababae?  Pag nagdecide ang mga kabataan mag-sex, si gobyerno may kasalanan.

        Madali lang magsabi di pinapatupad ang batas dahil kayo ay nakaupo lang,  Subukan mo magnakaw sa harap ko at tingnan natin kung di maitupad ang batas. May batas na pinapatupad pero sa kakulangan ng awtoridad kumpara sa dami ng populasyon, siyempre may nakakalusot. Dahil dulot ng populasyon kahirapan at kakulangan sa batas. Just imagine, isang pulis sa mahigit isa-libong tao.

        OMG, pag-aasawa na ang edad ay 18 at ang lalaki ay 21???Nasiraan ka na ba ng bait? Gusto mo pang iTalibanize ang Pinas susmaryosep.  Pati desisyon ng pag-aasawa paki-alaman mo?

      • boypalaban

        in fairness sa mga katoliko ( di kasi ako katoliko)….

        wala akong alam na pari na nagsabi na mangaliwa kayo…yarian niyo ang type ninyo at wag kayo mag-condom…
        manganak lang kayo kahit di ninyo kayang pakainin..

        yun sa sinasabi mong batas…maayos ba ang mga kapulisan? o puro lagay din…
        sa singapore, wala ka halos makitang pulis pero maaayos ang tao at trapiko…kailangan ba talaga ng maraming pulis? o matitinong pulis?
        at yan din ba ang sinasabi ng katoliko na sige magpakarami kayo para maging snatcher kayo at kayong mga mahihirap magkantutan lang kayo hanggang mamatay…ganyan ba?
        kung ganyan, pakibanggit kung sinong pari at obispo ang nagsabi…please lang po…

      • jinx

         Read between the lines boypalaban. Hindi ko rin sinabi na ginuguyo ng mga pari ang mga miembro nitong mangangaliwa. Ang point dito ay, may nagawa ba sila sa talamak na imoralidad sa lipunan natin?   Kung wala, so wag silang magmamagaling sa pakiki-alam sa batas ng RH bill kung saan wala pang nakakaalam sa consequence nito.

        In fact, it could reverse the trend of moral decadence in this country. If a Filipino family realizes the values of having children only according to their means, they will have the time and capability to look after them and provide them a better future.

        In contrast, if a Filipino family just go on procreating as many brood as they like under the bad advice of the priests, chances are these children will go the wrong way, some of them abandoned.  Kaya dumadami streetchildren dahil sa ganitong scenario.

      • boypalaban

        kaya nga meron nga bang pari na nagsasabi na “magpakarami kayong mga mahihirap kahit di ninyo kayang pakainin o pag-aralin”?

      • jinx

         Hindi ko sinabi yan. Sinabi lang nila ayon sa turo ng simbahan, “dumayo kayo at magpakarami.”

      • boypalaban

        hindi yun ang tanong ko: ang tanong ko kung sinabi nga yung mismong ganon..na maging iresponsable at problema ng lipunan?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ULW3TQ5LAJBDUMD32JVJAMTMFY Jojo

        Ikaw ata ang nasisiraan ng bait, bakit voluntary ba ang sinabi ko na 18 ang babae at 21 ang lalaki. Bata pa lang ako alam ko na iyan kapag 18 na ang babae at 21 na ang lalaki ay puwede ng silang  ikasal sa simbahan. Ngunit ngayon hindi na sila makapaghintay at sa edad na 14 buntis na sila… Tapos tuturuan pa ngayon sa school ng SEX Education, anong klaseng pagtuturo naman iyan.
        At sa batas naman, ipakulong ang babae tulad ng ginagawa sa Dubai, maraming OFW ang nakukulong dahil sa pakikipagtalik nila sa hindi nila asawa. Sa Saudi bawal kang makipag-usap sa babae o hawakan ang kamay niya tiyak bilangguan ang pupuntahan mo kapag nakita ka ng Mutawa. Kung makikipag-usap ka sa babae hindi ka dapat nakatingin sa kanya dapat nakatalikod.
        Sa Pinas walang batas diyan, bahala ka na kung anong gusto mong gawin sa buhay iyan ang Demokrasya.
        Businessman ang naghahari ngayon sa atin hindi ang mamayang Pilipino.

      • Roger dela Cruz

        “Bakit mga clergy sa ibang asensadong bansa tulad ng Canada at Italy nakakasunod sa kautusan na to? Bakit Pinas na mahirap, nangunguna sa pakiki-alam mga pari dito?”
        Check some facts:

        http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-will-defy-obamas-birth-control-mandate-says-new-nebraska-bishop

        http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-bishops-call-on-all-catholics-to-join-national-march-for-life-and

        Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) conducts roughly 300,000 abortions each year, among 3 million people served.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

        Guess what, Planned Parenthood is one of the bick backers of the RH bill.

        http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-choice-but-only-when-it-comes-to-killing-babies
        The US and Canada, where pro-“choice” people only consider abortion as an option.

        If RH bill passes, who knows when abortion will be pushed through next.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

      • boypalaban

        EDGARDO “THE PEDOPHILE” MENDOZA SAYS SUCK.ING DICKS IS MORE FUN IN FANTASY AND IN REALITY.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        KABIT KA NI BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ UMAMIN KANA”’ WALA KANG TASTE PATI BA NAMAN MUKANG GALUNGGONG PINAPATULAN MO TANGA KA UNGOY BOBO PITIFUL

      • boypalaban

         MAS GUSTO KO SANA MAGING KABIT MO KASO WALA KANG PERA…POOR MAN….HINGI KA NG BALATO SA KURAKOT NG MGA PANGINOON MONG PULITIKO….

    • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

      Jinx alin ba sa binanggit mo na imoralidad ang inutos ng simbahang katoliko? di ba wala? at ang lahat na yan ay labag kautusan sa simbahan… Jinx d tayo bulag at bingi alam natin kung ano ang tunay na dahilan kung bakit patuloy parin ang paghihirap ng ating bayan at at walang iba kurapsyon. Alisin muna ng gobyerno ang kurapsyon at kung d tayo guminhawa maniniwala na ako na ang dahilan populasyon.Pero Baka isa karing politiko na isa ring nangurapsyon d mo makita ang tunay na dahilan sa ating paghihirap.

      • jinx

        Kurapsiyon? Of course meron yan, kahit saang sulok ng mundo. Pero, hindi dahil meron RH bill titigil na ang gobyerno sa pag-tugis ng mga kurap.  May naririnig ka bang large-scale corruption controversy ngayon tulad ng ZTE at fertilizer scam? Wala di ba? Itoy dahil at least ang Pangulo natin hindi kurap. Pagpapatunay niyan ay ang patuloy na pagtaas ng trust rating ng ating Pangulo. Nataon lang sinusuportahan niya ang RH bill, at kayong mga makikitid ang utak, ang pinakamadaling sisi lagi sa kahirapahan kurapsiyon.

        Ang RH bill ay kaakibat ng pamilya sa tamang desisyon sa pagpapamilya, hindi ito anti-corrupt bill.  Bakit itatali lagi sa kurapsiyon ang bill na to. May ibang ahensiya, civil organizations, mga mambabatas umiimbestiga at humahabol sa mga kurap.

        Kung may problema sa kurapsyon na matagal ng nannanalasa sa bansa, isisi niyo sa mga bobotante. Pag ang mamamayan anak lang ng anak mahirap na nga, ang tendency nila magiging kurap at boboto na lang kung sino magbigay ng pera at temporary ayuda sa kanila.

        Pero uulitin ko, ang RH bill ay hindi anti-corrupt measure na meron lang kaperanggot na budget na 9 billion pesos.  Napakababa compared sa 12 billion na nadali ng pyramiding scam sa Mindanao at Cebu.

      • boypalaban

        oooops 13.7 bilyon ang pondo niyang RH Bill sa taong 2012 pa lang kapag naisabatas…na ayaw aminin ni angas triathlete pia cayetano…nung ma-corner umamin si dynasty epal cayetano…

      • boypalaban

         kaya nga hindi anti corrupt measure kasi yan ang gagamitin para makakurakot…

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Speaking of Pnoy 100% agree ako kita naman natin.  Ang kurapsyon talagang unang makitang dahilan sa ating paghihirap dahil yan ang katunayan. at ang RH bill na yan isa sa pina ka author ay ang kasabwat ri arroroy, kaya bahagi na dyan ang dating gawa nya whic is unacceptable. At ang mga layunin ng RH bill naka tanggap nakami dyan sa probinsya so ibig sabihin nasaipubliko na yan bakit pa maggawa ng ibang batas at gagastos lang ng pera para ano pa KURAKUTIN? At tungkol doon sa pangingialam ng Katoliko nagsabi lang sila sa katayoan nila unfair din na isisi sa kanila ang d pag pass sa bill na ito. parami lang talaga ang naniniwala na di to tama o kailangan ang RH BILL.

      • jinx

         Wag mo kasing ikitid ang utak mo. Hindi dahil suportado ni Lagman ang bill magka-partner na sila sa kurapsiyon—-si Arroyo lang yun at si Arroyo din ang isang ardent opponent ng RH bill katulad mo.

        Minsan nakakatuwa. Marami na akong nakilala na mge critics sa kurapsiyon, mga Pilipino. Meron akong kilala diyan nagtratrabaho sa isang private company, ang galing tumuligsa sa kurapsiyon….. para bang napakalinis niya. Pero nalaman ko rin tumatanggap siya ng lagay para lang paboran ang ibang cliyente.

        Kaya ingat din ako sa mga taong katulad mo, baka ikaw nga mismo numero unong kurap. Pang lip-service lang mga kayabangan niyo.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Syempre walang aangkin na kasabwat sila ni aroyo, alam ng karamihan na halos lahat na malapit kay aroyo nakinabang sa kagagawan niya… Pero Balik sa RH bill hindi talaga dapat ang i priority ng gobyerno. sabi ko nga naispubliko na yan, libre condom sa barrangay heath center, libre vitamins sa mga buntis, injection sa mga bata siminar kung ano ang dapat o d dapat ilan ang ideal children, at ang simbahan naman bago ikasal may sarili dn silang napakagandang natural family planning lahat na dapat at d dapat sa isang pamilya itinnuro.So para saan pa yan ang RH bill na yan bukit sasayan pa ng pera ang gobyerno para sa batas na nasa publiko na? ano pa ba dapat ituro o layunin sa RH na yan. Kaya kami mahirap dahil mga magulang namin walang pinag aralan kaya di makapasok ng trabaho, magbubukid at pangingisda lang ang trabaho nila. Pero dahil sa tinuro ng simbahan naming katoliko na dapat matyaga, lubos na paniniwala sa diyos maiahon ka rin sa kahirapan, and becuase of guidance of my religion, sa loob ng tatlong taon apat sa hanggang anim na oras lang ang tulog ko sa isang araw dahil trabaho’t eskwela ang nasa isip ko sa awa ng diyos ni isang beses d ako nagkasakit, naabsent sa klase at trabaho na kahit ako d makapaniwala paano nagawa yon at yon ay dahil sa guidance ng religion kong katoliko and until now feel pa nako ang guidance of my religion with my two children, and its my religion catholic who guideme to be faithful to my wife kahit malayo ako sa kanila. and through education make us decide to have only two children or one more, not d contraceptive, and also it always remind us the teaching of our catholic church before we get merried of being responsible parents. This are the main reason why Im againts the RH bill dahil alam ko at nangyari mismo sa buhay ko. Kaya lagi kung kinukoments na edukasyon ang kailangan dahil sa edkasyon nan dyan na lahat good family Health planning good parenthood. and most of all Bieng a Catholic religion im very proud of it where i belong, wherein when i was in grade 3 level it was introduce to us how helpful it is for our furture life.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Syempre walang aangkin na kasabwat sila ni aroyo, alam ng karamihan na halos lahat na malapit kay aroyo nakinabang sa kagagawan niya… Pero Balik sa RH bill hindi talaga dapat ang i priority ng gobyerno. sabi ko nga naispubliko na yan, libre condom sa barrangay heath center, libre vitamins sa mga buntis, injection sa mga bata siminar kung ano ang dapat o d dapat ilan ang ideal children, at ang simbahan naman bago ikasal may sarili dn silang napakagandang natural family planning lahat na dapat at d dapat sa isang pamilya itinnuro.So para saan pa yan ang RH bill na yan bakit sasayangan pa ng pera ang gobyerno para sa batas na nasa publiko na? ano pa ba dapat ituro o layunin sa RH na yan. Kaya kami mahirap dahil mga magulang namin walang pinag aralan kaya di makapasok ng trabaho, magbubukid at pangingisda lang ang trabaho nila. Pero dahil sa tinuro ng simbahan naming katoliko na dapat matyaga, lubos na paniniwala sa diyos maiahon ka rin sa kahirapan, and becuase of guidance of my religion, sa loob ng tatlong taon apat sa hanggang anim na oras lang ang tulog ko sa isang araw dahil trabaho’t eskwela ang nasa isip ko sa awa ng diyos ni isang beses d ako nagkasakit, naabsent sa klase at trabaho na kahit ako d makapaniwala paano ko nagawa yon at yon ay dahil sa guidance ng religion kong katoliko and until now feel pa nako ang guidance of my religion with my two children, and its my religion catholic who guide me to be faithful to my wife kahit malayo ako sa kanila. and through education make us decide to have only two children or one more, not d contraceptive, and also it always remind us the teaching of our catholic church before we get merried of being responsible parents. This are the main reason why Im againts the RH bill dahil alam ko at nangyari mismo sa buhay ko. Kaya lagi kung kinukoments na edukasyon ang kailangan dahil sa edkasyon nan dyan na lahat good family Health planning good parenthood. and most of all Bieng a Catholic religion im very proud of it where i belong, wherein when i was in grade 3 level it was introduce to us how helpful it is for our furture life.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Syempre walang aangkin na kasabwat sila ni aroyo, alam ng karamihan na halos lahat na malapit kay aroyo nakinabang sa kagagawan niya… Pero Balik sa RH bill hindi talaga dapat ang i priority ng gobyerno. sabi ko nga naispubliko na yan, libre condom sa barrangay health center, libre vitamins sa mga buntis, injection sa mga bata siminar kung ano ang dapat o d dapat ilan ang ideal children, at ang simbahan naman bago ikasal may sarili dn silang napakagandang natural family planning lahat na dapat at d dapat sa isang pamilya itinuro.So para saan pa yan ang RH bill na yan bakit sasayangan pa ang pera ng gobyerno para sa batas na nasa publiko na? ano pa ba dapat ituro o layunin sa RH na yan. Kaya kami mahirap dahil mga magulang namin walang pinag aralan kaya di makapasok ng trabaho, magbubukid at pangingisda lang ang trabaho nila. Pero dahil sa tinuro ng simbahan naming katoliko na dapat matyaga, lubos na paniniwala sa diyos maiahon ka rin sa kahirapan, and becuase of guidance of my religion, sa loob ng tatlong taon apat sa hanggang anim na oras lang ang tulog ko sa isang araw dahil trabaho’t eskwela ang nasa isip ko sa awa ng diyos ni isang beses d ako nagkasakit, naabsent sa klase at trabaho na kahit ako d makapaniwala paano ko nagawa yon at yon ay dahil sa guidance ng religion kong katoliko and until now feel pa nako ang guidance of my religion with my two children, and its my religion catholic who guide me to be faithful to my wife kahit malayo ako sa kanila. and through education make us decide to have only two children or one more, not d contraceptive, and also it always remind us the teaching of our catholic church before we get merried of being responsible parents. This are the main reason why Im againts the RH bill dahil alam ko at nangyari mismo sa buhay ko. Kaya lagi kung kinukoments na edukasyon ang kailangan dahil sa edkasyon nan dyan na lahat good family Health planning good parenthood. and most of all Bieng a Catholic religion im very proud of it where i belong, wherein when i was in my grade 3 level it was introduced to us how helpful it is for our furture life.

  • Fulpol

    those business people hate maternity leave, and even paternity leave… affects productivity.

    sayang ang bayad…

  • Fulpol

    Pilipino businessmen: just focus on creating jobs by building, improving, expanding businesses..

    • marionics

      we are but we can’t hire anyone who can’t read write or add because there are not enough schoolrooms or teachers

  • gerp

    anything that will pass through the congress is a big business… yan naman talaga…kahit saang bansa pa yan…parehas lang…ang importante…ang mahalaga lang ang dapat suriing mabuti…kung ito nga ba ang makakaangat sa mga pangkaraniwang pamumuhay ng bawat Pilipino sa ating bansa o ito ba’y lalo lamang makakapagpahirap sa bawat indibidwal na sinasabing makikinabang at di makikinabang.

  • dongvee

    Big business backs RH Bill. Dapat lang. Selling condoms is big business.

  • junolivo

    Inaasahan na yan sa mga negosyante. Sa RH Bill ang daming mapagkakitaan…

    • boypalaban

       condom, contraceptives..sex toys…etc…

  • fely pino

    why cant we just be mature enough to decide for ourselves whether to use contraceptives or not? why cant we open our eyes how the rest of the world dealt with such things? why do we pretend to be less educated ?

    • NiJuSan

      Totoo yan.

  • gerp

    there are two or three facts about having children… the 1st one, for the educated ones…having a child is a mistake if junior just popped in outside their dream plan… 2nd…for the common people…it is a blessing, that is the most beautiful thing they could imagine that they could get from their relationships in or outside marriage…3rd…just another ordinary day… but all comes from intimate union between two individual who happened to make contact out of passion and human desire. SEX!… if you see a woman fully naked and you are a man…what will you do?…if you see a man’s dick, stands like a hard stick…and you are a woman, what comes up from your dumb mind?… are you going to to tell your partner…and say wait… I have to go to the drugstore to buy plastic/contraceptives… passion is an spontaneous act of a person…and cannot be controlled easily…and even doing this inside your car…public washrooms…etc….are accesible always…  I suggest na lang…na to put all contraceptives in each road and public washrooms as well hehe

  • Mattino2011

    Gusto ipigil ng Big Business ang pagdami ng tao , di ba mas dapat mas ok for business un lol.. Siguro para mabasan pregnancy lat maternitly leaves

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UYJ7WEKJVFRZGE54IGDAEQUJ34 Javy

    Naturally, pharmaceutical companies like Zuellig will support the RH bill.  They stand to make billions from the sale of contraceptives over the years!  Conflict of interest here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • boypalaban

      EDGARDO “SNATCHER NG LAKAS” MENDOZA SAYS SUCKI.NG DICKS IS MORE FUN….JUST CONTACT HIM IF YOU WANT HIS SERVICES…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    We just don’t have the right congress and senators. Most of the important bills are stacked up and getting dusts. RH bill, sin tax, FOI, political dynasty, charter change, national ID, 60/40 foreign investment sharing, etc. and what else?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      TAMA KA JAN SA SINABI MO MATATAGALAN PA PINAS BAGO UMUNLAD DAHIL ANG PRESIDENTE AY TANGA” LIWANAG PA SA SIKAT NG ARAW YAN DI NIYA NAKIKITA KABAGAL BAGAL AKALA MO NA NGINGITLOG NA MANOK MATATAPOS NA TERM NIYA TA TANGA TANGA” KAILANGAN NG PANGULO NA PALABAN AT ILALABAN YANG SINASABI MO R.H BILL FOI BILL CHARTER CHANGE NATIONAL ID 60/40  YAN PAG NAGAWA NILA YAN MAWAWALA NA ANG LIBOLIBONG PILIPINO NAG LILINIS NG ENEDORO SA SINGAPORE LAHAT YAN AY BATAS NA SA SINGAPORE PILIPINAS BANSA NG MGA MAMATAY TAO AT MAG NANAKAW SA KABAN NG BAYAN SA SINGAPORE BIBITAYIN YAN”’

      • boypalaban

        E YUNG BINABAYARAN ANG MAG-ASAWA PARA MAGKAROON NG ANAK NA IPINAPATUPAD SA SINGAPORE, GAGAWIN DIN BA DITO?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        DI NA KAILANGAN”’ MAG BAYAD PUNTA SIYA SA PINAS MARAMING  PALABOY NA PAKALAT KALAT PILIPINAS PABRIKA NG MGA BATA” IKAW NAMAN BOY BAKLA DI BA SI BISHOP OSCAR CRUZ KA”’

      • boypalaban

         NATSUPA MO BA SI CRUZ DATI AT DI KA NASIYAHAN , DAMASO CELDRAN EDGARDOPHILE MENDOZA?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4R3GZTGML26TV2VGS6RVHP2THM Fred

    Talagang hindi tinigilan si Tito.  Pre, tapos na yata ang political career mo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    Just by reading the opinions of 3 persons in the high profile family planning summit heralded by branded associations of who’s who in the business sector, I am sorely disappointed that these personalities represent supposedly the sentiments of Big Business. Read carefully the nonsense of their views:
    1.) Benjamin Diokno, former Budget Secretary, says “If there were 30 million less Filipinos, I can assure you that we would have a budget surplus instead of a budget deficit,” 
    Huh? Hello? Budget deficit is not determined by population size. Where did he learn his knowledge of budgeting? Greece which is much smaller than the Philippines in population and, definitely, was once the cradle of civilization in Europe and center for trading, is INSOLVENT today. Greece has only 11 million people compared to the Philippines’ 93 million people. And, the  USA has budget deficits now and then. 
     
    2.) Sen. Pia Cayetano says “I find it offensive that what I consider human rights—access to reproductive health and contraceptives—can be put aside by one high government official as if the lives of women are not that important,” [She was referring to Enrile's not being ready with his amendments so that the Senate can proceed hearing arguments on the RH bill.] 
    This is more of a reflection of desperation from a lady senator who surely does not understand “parliamentary” rules and political strategy. Whatever Enrile is doing is not offensive to human rights. He has his reasons to weaken the pro-RH senators. But, because Sen. Cayetano is running out of arguments that her colleagues in the Lower House are willing to “water down” the RH bill, she is obviously trying to sidetrack the issue and put the blame for the eventual “watered-down” version on the anti-RH legislators. The pro-RH legislators are to blame themselves for being disunited and for concentrating on their own selfish agenda.
     
    3.) Roberto Romulo, former Foreign Affairs Secretary, quoted JFK “Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country”. Nice but wrong quote to use. So, what the heck is the country asking the people to use contraception as a way of life (oxymoron as it is more of preventing life to exist)? When Big Business comes into the picture, it is sure not to participate out of genuine concern for the masses. Big Business is concerned with cornering market share comprising of consumers. Fr. Melvin Castro hit it bull’s eye to say that big business should be happier with an increasing population that equates to more consumers to buy the products and services of Big Business. 

    It is deja vu like when Big Business came down to support Cory Aquino but disappears each time Cory’s popularity was waning. Same thing happens every time Big Business needs the president’s signature on some deal or executive policy that will benefit them. All the fakery and grandstanding by the high profile business alliances to support the RH bill is meant to please the current sitting president once again. What are they up this time? Tsk…tsk.

    • boypalaban

      kuhang kuha mo kaibigan….

      pera pera lang ang usapan…para sa mga pulitiko…mga opisyal ng gobyerno…at sa mga negosyante…

    • vendetta07

       replying to point 3:  empowering families is the reason.  for example, what if families had too many children to afford?  the state is then tasked to budget more money for hospitals, schools, etc, but the budget can only stretch so far.  people will become angry with the state for not providing for them.  this creates dependency on the state for welfare and free handouts. 

      but if families have children within their budget, then they have already benefited the country.  since hospitals will not be as overcrowded, hospitals could use the additional funds in the budget to buy more high-tech equipment, and these new equipment could save more people’s lives. 

      the poor families will have enough to eat, so the child no longer has to go to school hungry, so the child can concentrate and get better grades, instead of getting poor grades and starting the school year again.  RH bill empowers families, and each individual family’s actions can improve the country.    

      • boypalaban

        “the state is then tasked to budget more money for hospitals, schools, etc, but the budget can only stretch so far.”

        oo nga naman…
        concern lang naman talaga ang mga pulitiko at mga opisyal ng gobyerno sa mga mahihirap….
        kawawa naman sila laging sinisisi…
        di naman sila nangungurakot…
        wala nman silang ninanakaw…
        di naman sila umaabuso sa kapangyarihan…
        madali naman silang lapitan…
        huwaran sila ng kabutihan at kagandahang asal…
        kawawa naman ang mga pulitiko dito…

        …ang sarap mangarap…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

      budget deficit and surplus is related to population.  We have education, social welfare, urban planning, health care budgets. at the end of the day, the government needs to provide services to the 99 million filipinos and it cost money (nevermind the corruption because that’s another debate).  the budget deficits stems from the fact the we could not provide enough money to the needs of the various government agencies to fund their activities. Greece and US have budget deficit issues because becuase of other issues (older population, an unbalance pension/revenue ratio, huge loans and interest to service, low tax rates and therefore low collections, plus a plethora of other things) 

      on Pia, she is pointing out that “women’s choice on RH” is a basic human right. a woman should be able to choose what she wants for her, what she thinks is good for her in terms of her health and her family.

      in the end the business is supporting the pro RH by saying we will provide the logistics and resources necessary to support the implementation of the RH bill.  for a comprehensive law such as these, you need implementation plans and the business sector is alleviating that challenge by offering solutions. what is wrong with that?

    • joshua kings

      i am ready to debate anytime anywhere against all these pro-RH bill like pia cayetano (na walang modo at utang na loob sa nag-alaga sa tatay niya – the late sen cayetano RIP was a creation of JPE), big business, etc….

      • boypalaban

        ang dadali debatehin ng mga yan…paulit ulit lang naman ang argumento: damaso, pedophile, pajero, overpopulation, maternal health, AIDS prevention,….

        paulit ulit na argumento…lahat walang saysay…

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      Regarding argument 2. 

      The Pro-RH people aren’t the ones resorting to delaying tactics and foisting an intelectually dishonest plagiarist, and a former Martial Law crony as their champions, friend. 

      • boypalaban

        Pia Angas Triathlete Epal Dynasty Cayetano…plagiarist na hindi lang daw naisama yung citation…daughter of a marcos official during the dark days of martial law regime…
        Tsuping Lacson…berdugo ng Martial Law…Kuratong Balelleng Badingding…
        Cesar Virata…marcos crony…tagapag-patupad ng mga mapaniil na batas para sa kapakanan ngmga marcos at mga crony gaya ni danding pacman cojuancgo…

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        Actually, Pia already added a citation to her material, and apologized. End of issue. 

        //aughter of a marcos official during the dark days of martial law regime…
        Tsuping Lacson…berdugo ng Martial Law…Kuratong Balelleng Badingding…
        Cesar Virata…marcos crony…tagapag-patupad ng mga mapaniil na batas para sa kapakanan ngmga marcos at mga crony gaya ni danding pacman cojuancgo…//Guilt-by-association now? And what about Enrile? The man engineered Martial Law. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    SA SINGAPORE BATAS NA ANG R.H BILL KAYA LIBO LIBO ANG PILIPINO NAG LILINIS NG ENEDORO DUN YUN ANG GUS2 NG MGA CBCP BISHOPS MAG LINIS KAYO NG ENEDORO HABANG PANAHON”;;TERORIST TALIBAN TALAGA MGA KAMPON”PINAKA MAYAMAN BANSA ANG SINGAPORE SA BUONG MUNDO”

    • boypalaban

      GALING AKO SINGAPORE KAYA ALAM KO ANG NANGYAYARI DOON…IKAW LANG SIGURO YUNG NAGLILINIS NG INODORO…PWEDE BA PA-HOME SERVICE SA YO MAMAYA?

      LINIS LANG HA? DI MO PWEDE AKONG GAMITIN O ABUSUHIN KAHIT MAY CONDOM KA…NO WAY….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        WAWA KA NAMN BOY BAKLA”TAGALINIS KARIN BA NG ENEDORO SA SINGAPORE KUNG SAAN MAY R.H BILL NA BATAS”’

      • boypalaban

        EDGARDOPHILE…PWEDE PAKILINIS NA RIN NG INODORO KO…PERO SA GAYA MONG SALAULA…SIGE KAHIT WAG NA…PURO CONDOM NASA ISIP MO E…BAKA HIGUPIN MO PA TUBIG SA INODORO KO…TSAKA PAKI-AYOS NGA PALA MGA SPELLING MO NG SA TAGALOG…

    • joshua kings

      talagang mangmang ang taong ito; di alam ang sinasabi….heto makinig ka:
      ang singapore ay isang enclave na bago sila umangkat ng labor, ay isang saradong estado….it was ruled by what they call benevolent dictator (at any rate, dictator pa rin) like china….she (singapore, i mean, baka di mo kasi maintindihan kaya iniisplika ko) several years ago imposed involuntarily to her citizens a zero population growth….walang iniwan sa isang magasawang nag-decide na wag munang manganganak kasi magpapakayaman muna)…ngayong yumamn n asila ng todo, na-realize nila na tumanda na sila at wala silang tagapagmana para ipagpatuloy ang kanilang nasimulang pagpapakayaman….ngayong uugod-ugod na ang kanyang mga mamamayan, wala na ring maglilinis ng kanilang kubeta; wala na ring magpapatakbo ng kanyang mga pabrika, at wala na ring magiging utusan nila sa kanyang katandaan….kanya ayaw man nila, napilitan sila ngayong kumuha ng mga banyaga para i-employ nila na katuong o sa inggles, worker: kaya ka andyan siguro o may kamaganak ka dyan ngayon, nagbubuno….
      ngayon, lumingon ka sa bukas mga 20 taon at imaginin mo kung ano ang mangyayari kung huminto ang population growth dito sa bayan mo….siguro, parang thailand na rin sa taas ng AIDS rate, lalong tumaas ang crime rate, at naglipana na ang mga bakla lalo na sa kongreso……marami pa ring mahirap altho ito yung may edad na mahihirap…..at kulang na sa labor….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        UNGGOY KA ANO KULANG TAYO SA LABOR WALA NA NGA TRABAHO SA DAMI NG TAO GUNGGONG”KA”TAUHAN KA NG MGA KATOLIKONG BAKLA LUMINGON KA SA KARSADA SANG KATUTAK ANG BATANG PALABOY HOY GUNGONG IKAW NAUUTO NG MGA OBISPONG MAHIHILIG SA PAJERO CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TALIBAN TERORIST”’ IN THE PILIPINO NATION”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XCVTR7UEL324INPXQGQV47V6HY Bewareiftheworldagreeswithyou

    Free contraceptives in Vietnam…69% of mothers use artificial contraceptives(2006)…..RESULT?  ……highest abortion rate in the world. Nuns and priests beg the hospitals to give them the fetuses so they can be buried with respect ……because usually fetuses end up as pagkain sa baboy….

    • sopingac

      This is very misleading and one of the reasons why I support the RH bill more. Even priests use this misleading information to gain public support.

      The free contraceptives does not translate to abortion. It is the lack of education and ineffective distribution of contraceptives that lead to these unwanted pregnancies.

      I am not condoning abortion but to associate it with contraceptives in the Vietnam case is totally misleading. 

      • boypalaban

        e yung katotohanan na gagawin yang batas na yan para makapangurakot ang mga pulitiko at opisyal ng gobyerno, misleading din ba?

      • sopingac

        Hindi lang misleading. It’s totally nonsense. Your rationale is abysmal.

      • boypalaban

        ah hindi ka pala naniniwala na mangungurakot ang mga panginoon mong pulitiko…wala na akong magagawa pa…tsk tsk…

      • abner

         misleading b? pagkatapos maipasa ang contraceptives, abortion nman ileligalize, tapos, same sex marriage, tapos prostitustion, katulad ng tinutulak ng world bank b un? pagkatapos,…un na ille legalize na ang fetus pakain ng baboy..ganyan kawalang respeto sa buhay…ang pagtutulak nian…

  • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

    Bakit kaya simbahang katoliko ang sinisi nila ?eh naninindigan lang naman kung ano ang tama para sa kanila, kung gustuhin talaga ng taga pagawa ng katas kapirahan nila, batas pala, wala magawa ang simbahang katoliko kaso lang marami parin ang naniniwala sa paalala ng simbahan. Pero hindi naman tayo bulag at bingi na di natin alam ang tunay na dahilan bakit naghihirap parin ang ating bayan, kurapsyon at d religion. kaso lang si lagman, wala na si arroyo na kasabwat nya naghanap ng ibang paraan para makakulimbat sa perang pera ng bayan. halos lahat ng importanting layunin sa RH bill ay nasaipubliko na. bakit pa kailangan gumastus ng pera sa parehong layunin?

    • http://twitter.com/Borogol Borogol

      …well, i can say why… because they seems like HYPOCRITES… that’s why…CBCP are against mining, but do everyone know that THESE representatives of GOD are among the majority investors of MINING companies??? the only reason I see it is that, they bash MINING, other INVESTORS lose interest in mining, dumping their STOCKs…. then SILA SASALO at much cheaper price…. then after nun, sabihn na nila.. ABA! MINING is GOOD!
      then sa issue ng RH.. pag masayado marami ang population, marami ang magiging ASA lang sa gobyerno… there are only 3 kinds of people in our society, the people with power (chruch, politiko, tycoons), middleclass, at yung mga mahihirap…yung mga people with power, cla yung mga tumatayong tagapagligtas… basta lahat ng magaganda sila na gumagawa, yung middleclass, sila yung ginagatasan ng tax, yung mahihirap sila yung reklamador… yung tax, nabebenefit lang ng mga reklamador at mga people with power… so mas maraming mahirap, mas favor sa mga taong yun. kasi matutuloy nila ung position nila… kasi marami sila mauuto…

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Kung too man na sumali sila sa Mining activities at nagawa nila gusto nila at hindi napigil ng gobyerno, d huwag din magpapigil ng Simbahan ang gobyerno, Trabaho naman nila yon ang paggawa ng batas kaso d lahat sang ayon sa ginawa nilang batas at karamihan sumang ayon sa katayoan ng simbahan. unfair na sila ang sisihin at murahin.

    • Babiker_Ahmed

      TAMA ba yung nakikialam sila sa “State Affairs”

      TAMA ba yung panindigan nila ang pagka-pedophile ng kanilang kabaro?

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        State Affairs, of course, mga taong katoliko ang involve dyan kung saan may tungkulin silang dapat gampanan na ipaalam ng taong bayan kung ano ang tama ayon ayon sa kanilang paniniwala at nasa taong bayan nay kung sila ay maniniwala o hindi. Walang sapilitan ang ginawa sa namumuno ng simbahang katoliko sundin sila tulad ng ibang religion na kung d ka susunod tanggal ka o magmulta. Ilang mambabatas ba ang pabor sa RH bill binalaan ba sila na tanggalin bilang katoliko pinamulta ba sila? wala,,, dahil nga sinabi lang nila kung ano ang tama at nasa taong bayan na yan kung susunod o hindi sa mga mambabatas kung sila lahat pabor sa bill na yan may magawa ba ang pamunuang katoliko na hindi ma release ang pondo o hindi maisabatas yan. Walang  religion ang nagturo ng kasinulingan o kasamaan kung may nagawa man na kasalanan ang mga kabaro sa mata ng mga tao  personal na rason yan at kung ipinagtangol nila ang kanilang kasamahan may basehan din yan. D dahil pari ay d na sila makagawa ng kasalanan magkamali dn yon alam natin lahat yan.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      Tanga mo naman 7_mgawalanghiyakayo huwag ka na nga!!!

      Wala namang karapatan na sumagasa ang simbahan sa mga taong tumataliwas sa ipinaglalaban nito para lang “ipaglaban nito” (kung ano ang para sa kanila) DAW ay tama at kahit anong isugal nila hinding hindi nila mapapaniwala ang buong bansa sa kanilang ipinaglalaban *kuno*. mayroon po tayong “separation of church and state” kaya hindi dapat nakikiepal ang simbahan sa usaping legal at pang-estado!

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Bakit may pinipilt ba ang simbahan na ito talaga ang sundin nyo, yong mga pro RH ba pinagalitan ba ng simbahan minumura ba sila wala naman ah…pinabayaan naman sila kung ano ang pinanidigan nila PRO RH. Ang ibig kung sabihin na pinanindigan nila kung ano ang tama para sa kanila ay yong ayon sa paniniwala nila tungkol sa bill na yan. At tungkol naman dyan sa sugal na sinabi mo eh wala naman siguro yan sa kautosan ng diyos, personal na nila yan kung mayroon man, at lalo nang pinagpilit ng buong bansa ang katayoan nila. everybody are free sa pagpili o pagdecide kung ano ang tama para sa kanila. Kita naman natin na maraning katoliko ang pro RH pero maybabala ang simbahang katoliko na tanggalin sila bilang katoliko? wala,,, d tulad ng ibang religion na kung d ka susunod sa namumuno tanggal ka o multa. Tama, may separation of church and state tayo, pero ang mga tao na sakop sa state at sakop din ng katoliko dapat din lang na ipaalam sa namumuno kung ano ang katayuan niya, at dipendi naya sa mga sakop kung makinig sila sa namumuno nila. kaya may karapatan pa rin ang simbahan sa usapang legal at pang stado bilang independent openion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN TERORIST EXTREMIST’ SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES TINGNAN MO SIMBAHAN NILA PUNO NG CCTVS VIDEO NINAKAWAN NA SILA NG ABULOY AT KAMPANA”BUTINGA 

    • boypalaban

      IKAW NA MAY MALAKING GALIT SA CBCP ANG MALAMANG COMMANDER NG MGA SNATCHER SA MGA SIMBAHAN…

      SIGE PAGNAKAWAN NINYO…PARA MAGAMIT NINYO PAMBILI NG CONDOM…AT PILLS PANSAHOG SA NOODLES….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        KATOLIBAN SARADO ISIP NAG PAPAALIPIN SA MGA DAMASO”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

    As in any democracy CBCP will always have a say in our politics but it doesn’t mean everybody needs to follow it certainly not our congress or senate.  This is exactly the reason why the affairs of the church should be separate with the affairs of the state.  we are not in the dark ages and the last i checked the spanish conquistadors and the roman empire have ceased to exist. why are we still living in those times.  stop the political grandstanding and all the nonsensical publicity (election is still  next year) and debate on the issue.  you pass it or you don’t.  the consequences are known in both choices.

    my 2 cents on the subject: pass the RH bill. ignoring the rights of the children, not sending them to school, not feeding them, allowing them to work as prostitutes, allowing them to roam the streets as beggars, not planning for their future, not looking after their well being is much worse than approving the reproductive health bill and putting it to use.  inform the people about ways and means to plan their family and the consequences of their choices. 

    there isn’t more to it than that!

    • boypalaban

      “ignoring the rights of the children, not sending them to school, not
      feeding them, allowing them to work as prostitutes, allowing them to
      roam the streets as beggars, not planning for their future, not looking
      after their well being.”

      kapag may RH Bill pala mawawala na ang mga ito….

      parang gusto ko na tuloy mangampanya para sa Bill na ito…

      uunahin ko na sa mga skwater…bibigyan ko ng condom mga halos wala nang makain, walang pamasahe, mga walang pambili ng gamot, walang pang-tuition, walang maayos na bahay…le-lecturan ko sila ng tamang pagpaplano ng pamilya…di ko na concern kung mamatay man sila sa gutom…basta informed sila tungkol sa RH Bill…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        ALAM MO KUNG ANO LIBANGAN SA ISKUWATER SEX KAHIT WALA MAKAIN KAYA DUMAMI ANG BATANG PALABOY AT ISNATHER AKYAT BAHAY KAGAGAWAN NG CBCP TALIBAN BISHOPS”

      • boypalaban

        AH KAYA PALA LIBANGAN MO DIN YAN KAYA KAILANGAN MO PALAGI NG CONDOM….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        SCIENCE IS A SULUTION NOT CBCP BISHOPS STONE AGE”’

      • abner

         bakit ba cbcp ang bukang bibig mo..eh di lang naman sila ang simbahan…ang mga followers neto ang simbahan..na nagpapahalaga sa buhay.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        boypalaban, you are mising the whole point.  this is not a one-pill cure all.  hindi gagamutin ng bills na to ang lahat ng problema na sinabi mo. this is addressing one issue of the society. ignorante and iba nating mamayan tungkol sa pagpaplano ng pamilya. ngayon hindi kayang ipatupad and mga programa ng gobyerno ng walang batas katulad ng RH bill. unang una, kung walang batas, walang magpopondo. pangalawa, walang organization na tututok at magpapatupad. pangatlo walang magpapakalat ng information at idea kung papano mo mapapangalagaan ang sarili mo (kung babae ka) at ang pamilya mo.

      • boypalaban

        saan mapupunta ang pondo? lahat ba maga-avail ng contraceptives? o lahat ba manganganak?

        sinong tututok? taga gobyerno rin? magkano ang sweldo ng mga opisyal ng ahensiyang yan na doble doble na…

        walang kwenta ba ang ginagawa ng mga health workers at mga health centers sa buong pilipinas? wala nga bang contraceptives doon? di ba sila talaga nagle-lecture sa mga mag-asawa ng tamang pagpa-plano ng pamilya?

        kailangan pa bang gumastos ng bilyon bilyon para mahadlangan ang posibleng pagkakaroon ng anak…samantalang yung buhay na ay hindi man lang iniintindi?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        read the bill. maybe you can get a grip on what it is about.  the problem with the arguments here from most CONS is that they associate this law as a one-pill solution.  again this law will not outrightly solve corruption, starvation, poverty, joblessness and budget deficits.  may ibang batas at adhikain para sa mga yan.

        hindi hahadlangan ng bill na ito ang pagkakaroon ng anak. kung hindi mo pa rin naiintidihan ang position na yan, wala akong magagawa.  the RH bill is not purely contraceptives iho.  sinasabi mo rin na effective and mga health centers at health workers (well, i dont agree) so ang sagot sa tanong mo eh oo, hindi sufficient ang structure at make up ng atin mga health centers.  walang pondo at mas importante walang programa.

      • boypalaban

         hindi ba mga pro ang nagsasabi na package yan…na anti AIDS, anti-overpopulation,na para di na magkulang ang classroom, na para matuto ang mga tao na maging responsable, na para mabawasa ang impluwensiya ng mga damaso, na para mapahiya ang vatican, na para makakain ang streetchildren, na para may economic growth, na suportado yan ng mga may modernong pag-iisip, etc..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        those are potential impact of having this bill approved but not the end solution to those problems.  AIDS issue is for DOH to tackle but if you are practicing safe sex, then the effects of that could be less HIV contractions.  if filipino parents planned to have two kids instead of 7 then yes, maybe they will have better education because our schools will have the right size  per grade (yes we do need more classrooms but this is a deped issue not RH).  It is not a zero-sum game. hindi ibig sabihin na iaaprove ang Rh bill eh hindi na kikilos ang DepEd, or hindi na kikilos and DOh to adress lying-in bed shortages sa mga public hospitals, or hindi na makakauha ng pera ang DSWD para sa mga social functions nila. you seem to be a thinking man but dont get too caught up with the other issues and associate it to RH. at the heart of this debate, RH bills is there for one reason. to inform and to support families with the choice they make about how to raise their family.

        answer this for yourself.  can pedro and maria who makes less than 100 a day live well with 7 children, can they afford to send all these kids to school and give them all a decent life? should we make them responsible or well informed about the choices they have with family planning (a) that yes they can still have and enjoy sex like most humans need to and not worry about having child number 8 (b) that it will cost them hundreds of thousands of pesos to raise each child properly ?  do we need to have structures on how we can educate and inform our teenagers or young adults about unprotected sex?

        really there’s no reason why we shouldnt have this and all your arguments are valid but should be solved by other things.

      • abner

         ang sagot talaga dito eh pag aralin ang mga kabataan..sa halip na ipromote ang condom…eh ipromote ang pag aaral dahil kapag nakapag aral kana magiging responsible kana…ika nga hindi lang sa pagpapamilya ang kaya niyang lutasin pati problema ng kapitbahay nya…..at pang araw araw na problema.

      • boypalaban

         naitanong mo na ba kung saan o kanino napunta ang pondo ng DOH?

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Alam mo Mr Christopher yong lahat na sinabi mo nasa aming probinsya na yan sakop pa naman kami ng RP ang kulang lang ay pondo, yong bilyon na pera na nakalaan dyan but d nalang nila idagdag at i improve ang serbisyo yon lang naman angkailangan. ang layo ng probinsya namin maganda na ang sebisyo lalo na pagnadagdagan ng pondo. Kaya para sa akin d na talaga kailangan ang RH. maliban lang kung may ibang layunin. pero pareha lang sa centro namin.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        that’s exaclty one of the point. hindi mabibigyan ng karampatang pondo ng gobyerno kung walang batas. pano kita bibigyan ng pondo kung walang budget na iaallocate and gobyerno. sa buong porceso ng budgeting, kung hindi batas, hindi mapupunta sa listahan ng senado at kongreso ang RH at ang mga perang pangangailangan nito.

        pag humingi ang anak mo sayo ng dagdag na baon, hindi mo basta bibigyan ng pera hangang alam mo na may karagdagang gastusin nga ang anak mo sa eskuwela (every month po may badminton kami kaya kailangan ko ng pambili ng shuttlecock). sa susunod na sweldo mo, kailangang idagdag mo yung pera na yon sa budget mo para maallocate mo ng maayos ang sweldo mo.  next month hindi na kailangan ng anak mo na humingi ng pera sayo dahilikaw bilang budget officer, alam mo na kung saan mapupunta ang 50 pesos mo.

        i cant explain it any simpler than that unfortunately :)

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Sa palagay ko may batas na tayo dyan dahil kadalasan sa mga na idetalye sa RH bill ay nasa amin ang kulang lang talaga aplikasyon at dagdag pundo, at pakikitungo ng gobyerno sa taong bayan. Allow me to share it to you and all of this are the result from our barangay health workers combined with catholic leturer bago kami kinasal tungkol sa family planning ang goodparenthood ano ang magandang dapat gawin pagkamagka anak na at may kunting subra na pera. I am a father of two ang panganay 9yrs old at pangalawa 7yrs old sa edad nila maysarili na silang alagang baboy at yan ay galing sa pera na binigay namin sa kanila. kaya para sa akin RP bill is not the priority as of this time. dahil para sa akin ok na ang barangay health center at simbahan. ang importanti how do we apply to our family ang tinuro nila. I always prepare to reserve the budget in education program.

    • magiting78

      I aggree… In any places or country with catholic church their stands on issues regarding reproductive health are the same…But those places recognize the separation of church and state..Politicians and government officials are not bothered by church cretics..Its only in the Philippines affraid on catholic comments or cretics because their political interest are their priority not to serve the people…

    • joshua kings

      kirstoffer, you are hallucinating again…you do not know what you are talking about the catholic church…..plus what you wrote will not solve the issues like poverty you enumerated…poverty is not due to over-population if there ever was such a condition…..poverty is caused by uneven distribution of wealth…it is mainly due to the cornering by a few of the wealth of the country and this few depraving the poor of this wealth that they amass thru their dummy politicians which they created….to protect their vested/special interests;;that is why big business is all for this RH bill, not because they believe in the wisdom of it but because they just wanted to ingratiate theselves with Pnoy for obvious reasons…in the final analysis, it is GREED that makes many poor….
      getzmo?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        your argument confuses me.  you are obviously detached from reality because all i see is a whole s**t of conspiracy theory in your comments. there is uneven distribution of wealth everywhere because although we are created equal “some are more equal than the others” (maybe you haven’t heard that phrase yet).  some people are smarter than others, some people are more hardworking than others.  some people know the consequences of their choices and therefore makes the right decision.  and this uneven distribution of wealth, you cannot solve it because it has been there since forever.  if you can’t solve it, work with it.  That is the hand you’re dealt, play it. 

        collectively we all put these congressman and senators there together, whether they deserve to be there or not, whether they are trapo or not – honestly i dont care. they have put up a workable and quite frankly a bill that should have been there for years. 

        And i dont get you and judging from your convoluted statement that doesnt support or even prove your stand, i dont think i’ll ever get you but that’s alright. that is what democracy is. enjoy it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

    • boypalaban

      EDGARDOPHILE IS BEGGING MALE POSTERS HERE TO MAKE HER HAPPY TONIGHT…SHE IS A SHEMALE…AND IS FRUSTRATED WITH HER SEXUAL ADVANCES AGAINST THE BISHOPS….AND THE STREETCHILDREN…

  • ApoNiLolo

    PDI should do this more often. Every time the topic is about the RH bill, every pros and cons comes out of the woodwork to defend and castigate each others views and beliefs.

    It’s more fun reading than sharing your thought about the issue. >: D

    • boypalaban

      tama ka…hati kasi talaga pagdating sa issue na ‘to….

      kahit naman ako antiRh, kino-consider ko pa rin mga magagandang puntos ng RH Bill..

      at may mga kaibigan ako dito…. na naging kaibigan ko dahil proRH sila…

  • joboni96

    ‘promote the establishment of family planning as a core business’

    hindi mo talaga maihuhuli
    ang mga negosyanteng ito

    pag may pagkakaperahan
    lalo na sa gobyerno

    ok na rin

  • joshua kings

    i am saddened of the ignorance of many pro-RH bill…..if only they know more, they would not be pushing of this evil….
    remember this, if ever it becomes a law:  Planned Parenthood will destroy the very moral fiber of philipine society….
    i fear that many sob politicos and even big business have been the recipients of big lobby money from this group…..

    • sopingac

      Ignorance?

      How about this. The RH bill will not force anyone to use contraceptives and it will still be up to the couple to decide the size of their family. The RH bill will help those who cannot afford to avail of artificial contraceptives.

      Many well to do families who are big contributors to the church have actually long been using contraceptives. My parents are devoted Catholics and have used artificial contraceptives in the 70’s. 

      So you actually mean we are people of loose morals?

      • boypalaban

        “My parents are devoted Catholics and have used artificial contraceptives in the 70’s.”

        o yun naman pala e…alam mo na maraming nakakaalam kung ano ang tamang pagpa-plano ng pamilya…di na kailangan ang bilyon bilyong pondo para diyan na kukurakutin lang naman….kahit mahihirap alam yan…ayaw lang ng iba talaga maging responsable…

        kahit tambakan pa ng contraceptives lahat ng mga health centers, kahit ubusin na lahat ng oras ng mga nakikinig tungkol sa family planning… kung iresponsable naman ang magdedesisyon, wala rin…bukod pa sa mga galamay ng kurakot na mga opisyal ng gobyerno at mga pulitiko.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

        Back off!!!

        Hindi niya kailangan kumento mong wala namang pakinabang sa kanya!!!

      • abner

         back off ka jan…gusto nio na maggastos ng pera ng bayan tapos gagastusin lang para sa mga iresponsabling gagamit ng condom??? tsk tsk…pag aralin/bigyan ng trabaho sila para kahit marami ang anak kayang buhayin..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

         Shut up! Nobody wants to believe what you’ve just said!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

         There’s no use arguing with these anti-RH fools… they (think) they still live in a vacuum (come to think that they want to impose their beliefs upon the whole Filiipno people least knowing that these beliefs are devoid of coherent reason and decent logic). By the way, don’t let the anti-RH commenters get the best of us…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

       Ignorance? LOL!!!

      People like you think that you live in a vacuum! What a fool!!!

      Guess what: the so-called “moral fiber” of the Philippine society has long deteriorated EVEN WITHOUT the RH bill yet coming to fruition. Way back in the 90’s there have been cases of teenage pregnancies, youth alcoholism and teen smokers so what’s there for the “moral fiber” to deteriorate when it already has? Stupid logic of yours you don’t know how to use your head correctly!!! And where did you get your argument that “politicos and even big business have been the recipients of big lobby money” from the big businesses?! There you go again and your stupid insensible argumentation!!! you’re not a king yourself na baka ipagyabang mong napakagwapo mo na hindi naman!!!

  • kilabot

    big business supports rh bill because it brings in big business.

    if they claim it’s about alleviating poverty which of the following will do it?
     1) give free artificial birth control contraceptives (aka 17B rh bill) to control population growth;
     2) use of natural birth control techniques (aka hit-n-run) to control population growth;
     3) encourage people to practice a life of celibacy (aka monsignor-fast) to control population growth;
     4) practice lgbt lifestyle (aka anal_izing) and have zero population growth;
     5) perpetual implementation of the cct (aka eternal-beggar) program;
     6) train the poor acquire skills and livelihood (aka sow-n-reap) using rh + cct budget (>17B total);

    the rh bill is like big business, all it cares about is how to make big business.

    No to rh bill.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      Wrong logic you fool!!! And your line of reasoning is so off-tangent nobody’s willing to believe you!!!

      People know the answer in your provided multiple choice without even asking: #1
      while getting away without the need for your credit!!!

      By the way, you need to get a life because hindi kami natatakot sa’yo kaya huwag kang feeling gwapo!!!

  • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

    Isang Highlight sa negative effect nitong using contraceptives, estudyanteng maykaya ang magulang nagtrip lang na mag VIP scort dahil mdadali ang maraming pera safe din naman dahil may condom kaya wala dapat ikatakot sa dapat katakutan. Kalalaunan lulong sa droga dahil kailangan na nyang gumamit para manatiling lakas ang katawan sa oras ng eskwela sa kalaunan kinabukasan sira dahil sa droga kung saan nagsimula sa trip lang total safe naman dahil sa contraceptives na condom at yan ang ginigiit ng ating gobyerno ngayon kailangan ma aware ang taoong bayan sa kahagahan ng condom pero d tinitingnan kasamaan na maidulot nito.

  • jikanhinia123

    These business tycoons knew nothing of the word of God that’s why they amass wealth through fraud in deceit in their products.

    Had they been honest and God fearing they wouldn’t had such vast wealth. These businessmen had duped us since ages ago by selling inferior products at a high mark up.

    So it’s understandable that they support the RH Bill coz they would the companies tap by Pnoy to produce the contraceptives. Corruption is the name of the game in the implementation of the bill once enacted into law.

    Its Multi Billion fund is the pot money that lured the government and the businessmen to be molded and be solidified as one to pursue the RH Bill’s enactment.

    • Guest

      “These business tycoons knew nothing of the word of God that’s why they amass wealth through fraud in deceit in their products.”

      Thus, spreading envy is the answer?

  • boypalaban

    ok pahinga na muna ako…
    magtitinda pa ako ng pares mami…
    buti ito, marangal na hanapbuhay kahit simple…
    kesa sa mga pulitiko na mahilig magnakaw at isisisi sa mga mahihirap ang kapalpakan nila…
    at ngayon magnanakaw na naman sila…sa pamamagitan ng batas na yan…at isisisi sa mahihirap at sa mga katoliko ang kapalpakan nila….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      MAG TINDA KA NALANG NG MAMI BOBO KA”’

  • jinx

     That’s why the Philippines has always remained a Third World Country because it succumbed to Catholic influence. Noted traditional politicians bow down to the will of the Church, preferring to set aside bills needed to move this country forward.  There’s no country that is corrupt-free. But in the Philippines, corruption has a Catholic color.  The Catholic clergy not only benefited from corruption, they actively wield influence on politicians who follow their will by blessing them and cast away those who oppose their whims.

    • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

      Syempre walang aangkin na kasabwat sila ni aroyo, alam ng karamihan na halos lahat na malapit kay aroyo nakinabang sa kagagawan niya… Pero Balik sa RH bill hindi talaga dapat ang i priority ng gobyerno. sabi ko nga naispubliko na yan, libre condom sa barrangay heath center, libre vitamins sa mga buntis, injection sa mga bata siminar kung ano ang dapat o d dapat ilan ang ideal children, at ang simbahan naman bago ikasal may sarili dn silang napakagandang natural family planning lahat na dapat at d dapat sa isang pamilya itinnuro.So para saan pa yan ang RH bill na yan bukit sasayan pa ng pera ang gobyerno para sa batas na nasa publiko na? ano pa ba dapat ituro o layunin sa RH na yan. Kaya kami mahirap dahil mga magulang namin walang pinag aralan kaya di makapasok ng trabaho, magbubukid at pangingisda lang ang trabaho nila. Pero dahil sa tinuro ng simbahan naming katoliko na dapat matyaga, lubos na paniniwala sa diyos maiahon ka rin sa kahirapan, and becuase of guidance of my religion, sa loob ng tatlong taon apat sa hanggang anim na oras lang ang tulog ko sa isang araw dahil trabaho’t eskwela ang nasa isip ko sa awa ng diyos ni isang beses d ako nagkasakit, naabsent sa klase at trabaho na kahit ako d makapaniwala paano nagawa yon at yon ay dahil sa guidance ng religion kong katoliko and until now feel pa nako ang guidance of my religion with my two children, and its my religion catholic who guideme to be faithful to my wife kahit malayo ako sa kanila. and through education make us decide to have only two children or one more, not d contraceptive, and also it always remind us the teaching of our catholic church before we get merried of being responsible parents. This are the main reason why Im againts the RH bill dahil alam ko at nangyari mismo sa buhay ko. Kaya lagi kung kinukoments na edukasyon ang kailangan dahil sa edkasyon nan dyan na lahat good family Health planning good parenthood. and most of all Bieng a Catholic religion im very proud of it where i belong, wherein when i was in grade 3 level it was introduce to us how helpful it is for our furture life.

      • jinx

         Kaya maraming naghihirap kasi mga mahihirap, hirap na nga dami pang anak. Mga mangingisda at magbubukid sa atin gagawa ng factory ng bata upang sa ganun, tutulong sa pamilya sa paglaki. Kumbaga, gagamitin mga anak para sa pansariling kapakanan. Wala yung mentality na mag-anak ng kaya, at gawin lahat para sa kapakanan ng mga bata, hindi para kapakanan ni tatay at ni nanay. Kaya minsan mga anak nila sa dami, napariwara ang iba. Ang ibay papasukin na lang ang beerhouse, para makasuporta sa pamilya.  O di kayay papasok bilang katulong dito o sa abroad.  Kita mo isang feature sa Cebu? Mga dalagitang sex worker, galing sa mga malalaking pamilya. Pero patay malisya mga magulang nila dahil nakakatulong sa pamilya nila. 

        Kung may common sense ka sa panahon ngayon, kagaguhan lang ang mag-anak ng sangkaterbak.  Do your part first as a family man before you can point the blame to anyone or to the government.  Kung resigned na lang kayo sa ugali na sumisi sa gobyerno o sa iba kaya naghirap, lalo lang kayong kawawa. Pumiglas na kayo sa kulturang mala-soap opera ang buhay. Sila mga mayayaman, kami mahihirap —- yan ang kulturang nakasanayan ng Pinoy. Tapos iiyak, iyak, kaya until now the culture of glorifying poverty is still pervasive.  Free yourself from the bondage of defeatism—–sabi nga ni Kennedy, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country….”  In other words, tigilan na ang defeatist attitude na yan.  Kumacapitalize kayo sa sympathy, pero ang totoo niyan, you’re just another loser.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Kaya nga nangyari yon dahil dati di uso ang skwela lalo na sa mga pronisya kahit ngayon ilan lang ang koleheyo sa probensya. Kaya nga para sa akin napakaimportanti ang education program kasi kami magkapatid lahat nakatapos sa pag aaral at para sa aming magkapatid at pamilya yan ay dahil sa guidance sa paniniwala namin sa panginoon na tinuturo sa simbahan naming katoliko na nilalait ng karamihan sa pro RH bill. At dahil sa edukasyon dyan namin natutunan kung ano ang dapat at hindi at ilan ang dapat na anak. kaya napaka importanti sa edukasyon, at ang simbahang katoliko naman ang syang nagtuturo sa mga moral na aspeto na sya yong palagi nagremind sa akin araw arw akung anu dapat gawin habang malayo sa pamilya, and Im proudly to say na ilang beses na nalayo sa asawa ko my faithfulness to her and trust each other ay walang bawas and its all because the teaching of our religion roman catholic. At ang totoong kagaguhan ay yong nagpanggap na kahirapan ang nagtulak sa kanila para pumasok ng prostitution, dahil may kaklase ako noon na may kaya pero pusok ng prostituion dahil sa material need magaan na trabaho ant napakadali ng pera. tamad at dahil sa contraceptive na condom nawalan ng takot na pumasok sa ganong trabaho. kahit ngayon ang daming nag aaral sa koleheyo na prostitute at ang isang nagbigay lakas loob para pumasok sa ganung trabaho ay condom.

      • jinx

         Ano pa bang edukasyon gusto mo? Matagal ng libre ang elementarya at high school at diyan sa public ko pinapaaral ang DALAWA kung anak. Gusto mo ba kakatok pa ang mga namumuno sa bansa sa bawat bahay para sabihin mag-anak lang kayo ng kaya niyo?  Hindi na kelangan mag-aral para sa responsableng pagpapamilya. Kaya nga meron tayong common sense, para makakagawa ng simpleng desisyon.  Ang RH bill hindi para sa iyo yan. Para sa mga magulang na di kayang bumili ng birth control para sa maiplano ng maayos ang pamilya nila.  Dahil ginawa na nga ang survey at karamihang mahihirap na natanong sang-ayon limitahan ang bilang ng anak nila kung meron lang tulong sa gobyerno. 

        Nakita ko na mabuti kang asawa. Pero wag mong isipin na ang pagiging mabuting asawa ay monopolyo ng aral ng simbahang katoliko. Kahit saang sulok ng mundo, kahit anong relihiyon, kayang magtaguyod ng mabuti at matiwasay na pamilya.  Ako bilang asawa, inuuna ko rin pamilya ko at mga anak ko.  Matagal ng matatag pagsasama namin ni misis, kaya wala akong problema sa aspetong yan.   Di ko lang maiwasang magiging concerned sa nararanasan ng ibang kabataan. Lalo na kapitbahay namin. Tatay nila lasenggo, at anak lang ng anak—-7 lalaki at isang babae.  Nanggugulpi pa ng asawa. Pero sa laki ng responsibilidad niya, nagawa pa niyang mambabae sapinapasukan niya bilang janitor sa isang unibersidad.  Kung tanungin mo siya kung gusto niyang iplano pamilya niya, sagot ba naman, sinong tutulong sa kanya sa pagtaguyod ng pamilya niya?  Ganun klaseng mga tatay ang ayaw ng RH bill. Tinging nila sila ang hari ng pamilya at walang papalag kahit na baluktot pangatwiran.  Ang isang adhikain ng RH bill ay empowerment of women, na hindi dapat silang gawin paanakan lang at gugulpihin at kargo lahat ng problema sa pamilya.  Tuloy kwento ng kapitbahay ko. Iniwan niya pamilya niyang malaki para sumama sa kerida niya.  Di nagtagal namatay din siya at alam mo ginawa ng kerida niya? Itinambak uli ang bangkay niya sa una niyang asawa.  Wala ng pakinabang e.

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Alam mo ginawa ng mga heath worker sa lugar namin at barangay officials sa araw na makatanggap ng onoraryum nila tag isang daan ambag nila for this month chapter 7 you are invited for lucnh in our brgy. hall this date and we are happy if you something whatever you can share where they focus sa area na nangangailangan talaga ng attention. thats the way how they approach in promoting parenthood.9 billion is good enough if every year they have the same amount to budget and make college school in a selected community para makapag aral ang kaya makapunta sa lalawigan. The education that i mean is the college level dahil yon na ang requirement ngayon bago makapasok ng trabaho.Di ko dapat banggitin ang tungkol sa religion kaso lang lahat ng pro RH nilalait ang religion na katoliko which is unfair naman dahil alam kung ang lahat ng pangyayari ay di kautusan ng simbahan kundi personal na gawain lang at paninindigan kung ano ang tama na alam nila pero walang pilitan na susunod tayo sa gusto ng isa kahit di tayo sang ayon.

      • jinx

         Mag-tatalo man tayo hanggang umaga di matatapos dahil gusto niyo pa rin itataguyod ang nakaugaliang kultura na napatunayan ng palpak at talunan, ang kulturang soap opera lagi ang buhay.  Pero ang kabagsakan ng usapang ito ay majority’s decision pa rin. Majority ba ng mga Filipino pabor sa RH bill? Ayon sa survey 82 percent pabor sa pagplano ng pamilya at RH bill. Bakit niyo pigilan ang nakakararami dahil lang sa paniwalang relihiyon niyo?  Republika ang bansa natin, hindi sectarian o catholic o islamic. Bakit pipigilan ng mga makikitid na utak ang nakakarami dahil lamang sa maling paniwala? Hindi naman sinusubo sa kanila ang contraceptives, pero bakit iniimpose pa rin ninyo ang mali niyong paniwala?

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Tama ka dahil mag kaiba panindigan natin, panindigan ko, basi sa nakikita at experience ko kaya walang makabaliktad nito, pero panindigan mo nasayo narin kung ano ang dahilan. Tama ka rin majority’s decision, at sieguro even more than 82% sa pagplano ng pamilya dahil walang gusto na maghihirap, pero sa RH bill iwan kung umabot ng 82% siguro kung doon magsurvey sa squaters area malamang, pero kung doon magsurvey ng totoo sa mga skwelahan lalo na sa colloege level na ewan ko lang kung aabot. Gaya ng sinabi ko kaya di importamti ang RH bill dahil nasa programa na yan ng DOH ang kulang lang doon ay ang implementasayon at pondo. Ang wala sa programa sa DOH ay yong limitahan kung ilan lang ang dapat na anak, pinalabas din na may option pa rin ang isang pamilya kung ilan ang gusto nila, in this case useless, at ang pinakaayaw kung totoo ay yong sinabi na may posibilidad na in high school level this will be introduce sa mga studyante which very critical, and the worst thing in this online openion, Ang pinaka hindi ko maintindihan which is very unfair, ay ang d pag pass sa bill na ito, ay isinisi sa simbahang katoliko na alam naman nating lahat na walang isang representante ang simbahan na umopo doon sa congreso para boboto o haharang sa ano mang bill na talakayin doon. Alam natin lahat na ang openion ng simbahang katoliko ay nasa loob lang ng simbahan sinsabi o kaya sa midya pagka sila ay kinunan ng openion dahil ang bill na ito ay labag sa paniniwala sa simbahan pero sa oras ng botohan wala ng pakialam ang simbahan ma pass man o hindi pero bakit halos lahat doon sinisisi, di doon sa mga congressman o mga representante nyo isisi, sila ang gumawa ng batas hindi ang simbahan ni walang isang representante boto para ma i pass ang bill o hindi. I know maalam ka pero pahingi ng openion mo dito bakit pati ikaw sinisi mo ang simbahan sa bill na ito, at nang naipasa ang death penalty dati maynagawa ba ang simbahan na kung saan ayaw din nila sa bill nayon dahil labag sa paniniwala nila. wala dahil nga ang layunin nila hanggang sa mga tao lang sila kung maniwala ok kung hindi ok rin. nan ngayon please sabihin mo bakit subra ang panglalait nyo sa simbahang katoliko sa bill na ito?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1077324373 Andy Feria

    I am not surprise by their support

  • mangtom

    Christopher, you are wasting your valuable time responding to this boywalangpanglaban (a.k.a., boypalaban). Your points are very, very clear and yet he does not get it because his utak is clouded by the CBPC or whatever you call this group of thieves. I won’t be a bit surprised if he himself is a member of this mitsubishop group. I have given up on him long time ago. He makes sense only to himself.

    Pass the RH bill.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

      i agree..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1077324373 Andy Feria

    Rich and Famous People on population control.

    CNN Founder Ted Turner ” ” A total population of 250-300 Million People, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal”  Ted Turner has 5 kids….

    U.N. Population Division policy brief ” “What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed country”

    Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger ” The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”  

    Margaret Sanger “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race”

    * Planned Parenthood is the lobby group for the passing of the Philippine RH bill. 

    Bill Gates “The world has 6.8 Billion people. Thats heading up to about 9billion . Now if we do a really good job on new vaccines, health care, REPRODUCTIVE  HEALTH SERVICE, we could lower that perhaps by 10%-15%.

    The global elite are for population control.

  • Albert Einstien

    TAX the church if you may…but DONT MURDER our future generation..an APPEAL..!

    RH bill is MONEY….of course business crocodilians are salivating for it…..in cahoots with traitors to this country…those pushing for RH are NOT EVEN full blood Filipinos yet they are imposing a GENETIC GENOCIDE for the Filipinos they are HITLER’s ……..relatives we are targetted for depopulation folks….HOLOCAUST…!…

    RH bill is a de-population tool ….with end view to control sovereignty & its
    people ..the less people ..easier to control…the CURRENT internatonal trend is
    POPULATION BUILD -UP while we are embarking on killing our own
    population…CHINA ,RUSSIA, singapore, canada , japan, australia, etc…are now
    trying hard to increase their population….. in fact china who is 1.4 billion
    already is abandoning its one child policy…ANY country who is rich in
    resources or wants to be a world power must build up its population and its
    ARMY… to defend its resources, territories & sovereignty…
    in fact it is population growth that is SAVING our economy..theOFW remittance
    is far greater than foreign direct investments…..
    the more population: the bigger the tax base, the bigger the labor force,more
    fishermen, more farmers, stronger nation and huge AFP…the nation is
    secure…our ONLY true PROBLEM is LEADERSHIP…we need VISIONARY PATRIOTIC
    leaders..
    Philippines has VAST natural & mineral resource…blessed with
    GOD…Gold, gas , OIL & unlimited… DEUTERIUM………these POLITICIANS are
    brainless

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

      You are doing disservice to a great intellectual and as a matter of fact you are committing a crime by using a copywrited name. The families of Albert Einstein might be closing on you to expose your stupidity. You are an ultimate joke and an expressed Neanderthal

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

      “einstein” (and i mean it in a sarcastic sense) :). strictly speaking cause and effect, leadership is not the  problem but rather an effect.  we voted for them so the problem might lie in the rest of us.  the countries you mentioned have plenty of things in common, strong currency, millions in national reserves, vast natural resources (with the exception Singapore – but what they lack in resources they more than made up in efficiency, blessed geography and political stability), indeed strong leadership but more importantly, strong and able people (again with one exception – china is a communist country so you can forget about debating over there, whatever the president says’ is a law).  They are trying to increase their population because they have jobs that needs to be filled, they have a whole generation of baby boomers retiring within the next 5-10 years which will leave their workforce that naturally have to be replaced.  They have JOBS, they have the budget to feed, support, operate and run their respective countries. they have GDPs that we can only dream of.  Now If only the philippines can be mentioned in the same breath then we dont have a problem. we could basically be left to our elements and multiply even more but wait a minute, we dont have any of those characteristics so it is unfair – to say the very least – to even compare our situation with them.  forget about being rich and being a world power for now, let us start organizing ourselves and solve critical problems ailing us (yeah smartasses there will argue that there are more pressing issues and there’s a lot of truth in that to which i also agree. but the RH bill is on the table and that is what we are debating over here.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

    Replying to Albert Einstien
     
    What a fool!!!

  • jjammess

    Generally what’s the difference between the rich and poor? One noticeable difference is the number of children.

  • White24

     the Devil now uses the entire forces possible to advance this bill,, hahahaha ,, Di mo kaya ang Simbahang Katoliko,, demonyo ka,, hahahahah c Enreli at Sotto nga eh,, di mo kaya,,,, :)

  • White24

     I did not use contraception because I believe, by conscience, that it
    is harmful to the body. And why should I be forced by the government to
    buy one for my neighbor?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      Because you don’t share teh same convictions and beliefs as your neighbor! In fact, your neighbor can just accuse you of being a neophyte Taliban for imposing your beliefs on him and do nasty stuff on you so don’t even try!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

      BOBO PARACETAMOL HARMFUL DIN SA BODY UMIINOM NGA SI BISHOPS TALIBAN 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

    What’s next government telling us to apply for a license to smoke, license to drink, Government telling us that humanity is at fault with what is happening around us…… wake up people we are being brain wash,, our values are being destroyed… 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

    no wonder ted turner has 5 kids..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TERORIST EXTREMIST TANUNGIN MO PA SI DR.JOSE RIZAL 

  • opinyonlangpo

    Its better if just keep the RH bill for discussion purposes only and let everyone be responsible on the consequences of their own sexual adventures. The budget can be used instead directly for expanding healthcare for the general population.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

      I agree…. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

       Boy that was so naive of you to say something like that. You’re no different to other fence-sitters on the issue of the RH bill, man. I’d tell you what: you don’t live in a vacuum!!! Don’t you know that if the anti-RH cronies had their way they’re going to ban ALL contraceptives with a snap of a finger and prosecute those who have opposing beliefs that them?!!!

      • opinyonlangpo

        That will never happen, which country ban contraceptives? In other countries, condom is even available thru vending machines and pills are sold over the counter. RH bill will just be additional burden to all concerned and only the contraceptives manufacturers will have a windfall on this at the expense of the taxpayers.

      • 6jose_acopio37

         I agree. I am pro-life. Thank you.

      • tadasolo

        you and others keep mentioning profit and windfall at the expense of taxpayers. HAVE you realize the HUMAN toll and consequence of overpopulation in Metro Manila. Let me guess OH maybe you are living in FANTASY Land obscure by your blind devotion to a faith that suffocates women in the Philippines as “toys” and tool to manipulate. HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IN HUMAN SUFFERING is the result of overpopulation and I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how you and the church are so insensitive to these human condition and still remain so “VIRTUOUS” and not sinfull. You LACK THE COURAGE TO CONFRONT YOUR evil ways

      • opinyonlangpo

        You are probably talking about yourself. You have to buy your own condom and pills man.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

        Don’t be so naive… and stop acting like an intellectual pretender!!! You’re making a fool out of yourself!!! Well you can’t pull me down to your level and my comments stand on its own merit with or without your interloping!!!

      • opinyonlangpo

        I’m not. You are the intellectual pretender imposing your opinion on others. Of course you are not on my level, you are much lower trying to force me out of my opinion. And keep your opinion for yourself. You have no respect of other’s opinion, like you were born yesterday. . . . anyway thanks for your attention

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

         Who are you talking to?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

      Exactly The RH bill is a health care issue. It will help poor women not only to manage and raise healthy kids with more resources within their means but to empower themselves with good mental and physical well being by focusing and raising children they can support. This similar to the rich people of the whole Philippines who are raising an average of three kids instead of 7 to 8 in the poor sections of metro

    • 6jose_acopio37

       I agree with your comments. I am pro-life. Thank you.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

    At least Albert has values.. and not baby KILLERS !!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

    RH bill in its entirety has only one purpose to empower women and make them independent from a Male dominated hierarchical catholic influence society. It’s significant effect is to help the poor women in the Philippine and release themselves from the bondage of a dominant group whose main medieval idea is to condemn themselves to second class citizens in the guise of saving their “soul”. These has been their lie and are using the bible as a cover to emphasize the so called “sinfulness of the RH Bill.

    • marvingaboysantiago

      It is official that the decision of the church in refuting the ill effects of this very sinful and demonic family planning program is being supported by the Vatican. Now we should not follow the will of some politicians  because the politicians themselves are not worthy in their desire to stop the population growth in this country. And in a very ironic and regretful stand of some businesses, they should retract and change their decision not to support the proposed sinful legislation.. 

      • tadasolo

        sinful and demonic to used your words are exactly the operative words used by the opponents of the RH Bill to scare people and condemn them to “eternal Hell”. Well these tactics work in the MEDIEVAL TIMES when the catholic church used it to control and make people subservient to their needs. These are modern time BOY. Did you notice most of those against the RH Bill are men these posting who lack the courage and lack the purpose to finally shed their dominant macho culture and empower women. THEY ARE SO AFRAID LIKE THE MALE dominated church. SPARE US ALL ABOUT our so “sinful” ways and give the women the POWER TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    TAMOD IS NOT A FETUS CBCP BISHOPS TERORIST TALIBAN CHURCH”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • marvingaboysantiago

      Mr. Mendoza do not accuse the members of the church like terrorist….. They are God’s men who are helping us in our search for redemption. They must be treated with honor and respect. We should not violate the church decision with the issues at hand. Do not be clouded like others pretending to know everything. A BIG NO TO RH BILL…..

      • Guest

         “They are God’s men who are helping us in our search for redemption.”

        Only idiots believe in that.

      • marvingaboysantiago

        You are poor when it comes to faith.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

    Rich and Famous People on population control.
    CNN Founder Ted Turner ” ” A total population of 250-300 Million People, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal”  Ted Turner has 5 kids….
    U.N. Population Division policy brief ” “What would it take to accelerate fertility decline in the least developed country”
    Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger ” The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”  
    Margaret Sanger “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race”
    * Planned Parenthood is the lobby group for the passing of the Philippine RH bill. 
    Bill Gates “The world has 6.8 Billion people. Thats heading up to about 9billion . Now if we do a really good job on new vaccines, health care, REPRODUCTIVE  HEALTH SERVICE, we could lower that perhaps by 10%-15%.
    The global elite are for population control.

  • marvingaboysantiago

    I don’t think it’s wise for these big businesses to involve in the family planning issue. It is not their cup of tea and therefore they should refrain from making such comments. The president is not putting any pressures to anyone in support of the government effort in curbing the growing population. This is not what the church wants! NO TO RH BILL!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQQV5JKR35QOSVZPD7MO2RZVX4 hala b

      yes… NO TO RH BILL…

      • Guest

         NO to CCT, either!

    • jinx

       just another crap….

  • jjammess

    what’s the difference between the rich and poor? The rich has lots of money and the poor has lots of children.

    • Albert Einstien

      WRONG the rich have many chldren as the POOR ….their ONLY difference is the children of the rich have different mothers….madami kabit si rich guy….pantay lang ang dami ng anak…

      • jjammess

        I don’t think so. If rich has more children then there would be more rich than poor.

  • tamumd

    To marvingaboysantiago

    Of course these guys know exactly the economic ramification of this bill that is why they are all supporting it. The President is not putting the pressure….which world do you live in? Remember it was the president’s idea to stop the deliberation a few months ago one day ahead of schedule.
    “This is not what your church wants”? Heck with your church….legislation is not part of its function. Tell them to hurry up and work on Msgr. Garcia’s mess. NOT hijack the RH bill.

    • marvingaboysantiago

      The businessmen you are supporting are not totally aware of the implications of this bill. I do not believe in their convictions when it comes to economic profiling in this nation. All they are after is to make money and try to picture themselves that they are siding with the government. And because there are pressures applied by IMF, WB and other financial lenders to curb the population numbers in our country. Now the government is hard pressed to follow and apply what these outsiders are imposing on us. This is the truth…..

      • tamumd

        How do you know they are “not totally aware”? For all you know these guys have economics degrees and health care degrees. What you have are all conjectures and conspiracy theories. If they are all after money…supporting the RH bill doesn’t make any sense. Not unless all of them are drug manufacturers which they are not. It is the CBCP on the otherhand who has no clue about this issue except for their religious dogmas.
        Now I would believe you on the pressure from IMF, WB and WHO but again those people know what’s best for the 3rd world countries like ours. And they’ve been supporting us over these years. It’s natural that they wanna make sure that those financial help and efforts would lead to our progress so that we don’t have to continue depending on international aid.

        This battle is now turning between the president, majority of filipinos including some moderate catholics, prominent international agencies, health sector, academe, business sectors, other religions/denominations against the lone, isolated catholic hierarchy and its fanatic minions.

      • 6jose_acopio37

         I agree with your comments. I read somewhere that Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of Singapore, is literally crying that Singapore would eventually disappear because the citizens are not producing enough babies.I am pro-life. IMHO, in the long run, if and when the RH bill is passed, PH would be like Singapore. I would guess it would be very difficult to reverse the negative impact of the bill on population  growth. It would be too late. Thank you.

      • tamumd

        Hahahahahaha..cashing in on hyperboles..”Singapore would eventually disappear”…really? Do you have empirical evidence to your claim? NONE..not one piece of evidence but conjecture! I would be very happy if the PH would become like Singapore someday. When that day arrives….no one would be digging trash in Baseco and Payatas anymore. NO more flimsy houses under bridges and along esteros. No more kids begging in the streets of Manila. NO more hungry mouths going to bed every night. Everyone would be able to afford to go to college. Those people would be driving their own cars….and our government would be able to provide all the necesary infrastructures and services every filipino citizen needs.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        What, and YOU are?

        The IMF / WB / etc. guys are economists who’ve devoted their LIVES to the study.  You’re a random idiot on the internet.

        The fact that you are ARROGANT enough to pretend you know more than they do is bloody hilarious.

      • marvingaboysantiago

        I felt sorry for you because you don’t know what the government has entered with these financial giants. The fact is our institution is obliged to follow the prescription order from them. Population issue is vital to these entities.  You can research on this…………..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I have a degree in economics and have read the works of and studied under several of the best economists this country has to offer.  I DO ‘research on this’, and I can tell you that you’re wrong.

        The fact is that the RH Bill is going to be immensely beneficial for the country (both economically and socially).  If some people are going to make money from servicing that need, fine.

        Also, if by ‘financial giants’ you’re referring to the likes of the MBC, please explain how, for instance, Cebu Pacific (represented by one of the board members of the MBC), is going to profit from the RH Bill.  Because they’d profit more from a higher population of poorer workers they can pay slave wages to, but have chosen to support the bill anyway.

      • marvingaboysantiago

        You mean the MBC or Manila Business Club. These people are trying to show that they support the government especially Pnoy in his effort to make this bill into a law. You know the attitude of our president. Vendetta to people who don’t like him and his programs of government. Now if you are a one of them and you don’t want trouble even if you are paying correct taxes pretend that you are supporting the bill. Profit from RH bill? None at all…. They only like to be identified and side with Pnoy.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Given that P-Noy hasn’t been pushing the bill very hard in the past few years, that’s a ridiculous statement.

        Seriously, I love how you lot do your best to invent selfish reasons for people supporting the RH Bill, but wholeheartedly believe that anyone against it is doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.  It’s bloody ridiculous.

      • marvingaboysantiago

        We are all entitled to our own opinion. This is the beauty of democracy. till we cross our path again…..

  • tamumd

    To Marvingabaysantiago

    Of course these guys know exactly the economic ramification of this bill that is why they are all supporting it. The President is not putting the pressure….which world do you live in? Remember it was the president’s idea to stop the deliberation a few months ago one day ahead of schedule.
    “This is not what your church wants”? Heck with your church….legislation is not part of its function. Tell them to hurry up and work on Msgr. Garcia’s mess. NOT hijack the RH bill.

    • abner

       paghindi na nakialam ang mga cbcp/simbahan sa moralidad at pagpapahalaga sa buhay…lalo ng mawawalan ng halaga ang buhay….ang rh bill ay isang morale issue na nasasaklawan ng itinuturo ng simbahan….kaya dapat lang na magsalita sila…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XI5YBU2QLRRQK7U3AQJPRPW4OE christopher

        nobody is stopping the catholic church and everyone who has nothing and everything to say  from stating their beliefs. it is a moral issue, and so are premarital sex, unwanted pregnancy and abortion. im telling you, majority of people in this room would have had premarital sex, necked, petted and masturbated in their teens with all abandon.  married people commit adultery as we speak and abortion is happening as you are typing those comments and yet we still all go to church, pray the same prayers we were taught and we call ourselves Christians.  the point, leave our morality and religious beliefs out of this and debate pure on substance because we may all be immorals, it’s just that the majority of us dont want to show it to the world and rightfully so.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        stone age taliban exremist catholic church terorist to the people of the philippines medical SCIENCE say R.H BILL good to the mother and her kids SCIENCE VS CATHOLIC TALIBAN CHURCH.CBCP BISHOPS EXTREMIST”

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

         Do you think that the Catholic Church holds the monopoly of morality and righteousness? Screw you for that you sick dumba**!

  • filipinaskoh

    Millions of women wants the RH bill, because nobody wants to have many children and then let them starve.  Almost everyone wants it especially those who needs it, why is it THOSE that are primarily against it are those who DOES NOT EVEN NEED IT like the CBCP(not really sure if they never and will never need it in their entire life?????)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN EXTREMIST IS IDIOTS MEDICAL SCIENCE SAY WE NEED R.H BILL CBCP BISHOPS IS NOT A DOCTOR THEY ARE EXTREMIST TALIBAN CHURCH” MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES” CBCP BISHOPS IS TERORIST’EXTREMIST IN OUR COUNTRY”

  • d2yan

    This INQUIRER Headline is NOT CREDIBLE.

    1.       This summit was organized by the UN Population Fund, UK Embassy and Zuellig Family Foundation.  Bakit kasama ang UK Embassy?  Because the WORLD SUMMIT was held in London in July 2012.  THE ORGANIZERS, therefore, ARE NOT FILIPINO BUSINESSMEN.
     
    2.       The Philippines have a COMMITMENT to the LONDON SUMMIT.  According to the UNPF Philippines website :
     
    “The event is also a FOLLOW-THROUGH ACTIVITY to the commitments made by the Philippines during the London Summit on Family Planning in July.”
     
    It is a follow-through activity NOT AN INDEPENDENT INITIATIVE from the business sector, as the headline suggests.
     
    3.       The UNPF website continued :
     
    “The Business Sector Summit will be a venue for companies with family planning programmes in the workplace or supported communities (through their corporate social responsibility programmes) TO SHARE GOOD PRACTICES and demonstrate how such programmes improved business productivity and quality of life for workers at the same time.”
     
    That sharing of practices and demonstration of programs are NOT ATTENDED BY CEOs but only perhaps by MIDDLE LEVEL EXECUTIVES.  THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR BIG BUSINESSES.
     
    IT SEEMS THE INQUIRER is PRO RH?  BALANCED News, Fearless Views?

    • Guest

      “IT SEEMS THE INQUIRER is PRO RH?  BALANCED News, Fearless Views?”

      The question is: Is Inquirer really inquiring its sources on which they base their reports?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      How stupid are you?

      This isn’t related to the London summit, as that is independent of the RH Bill, as per the article that’s been quoted to ou already.

      And if you don’t think that these ‘middle level executives’ didn’t have authorization from their boards of directors to put the organization’s name on something like this, you’re an idiot.  And given the people who are on those boards, these people certainly do have the right to speak for big business.  Do you not even know what ‘representative’ means?

      • d2yan

        How stupid am I?  Well…ah….BETTER THAN YOU!  He he he…sorry
         
        How can you say that it “isn’t related to the London summit”?  I already cited the website of the ORGANIZER and quoted from it VERBATIM.  For your benefit, I QUOTE AGAIN from the website of the UN Population Fund Philippines :
        “The event is also a FOLLOW-THROUGH ACTIVITY to the commitments made by the Philippines during the London Summit on Family Planning in July.”
        There!  Bulag?  O nagbubulag-bulagan?
         
        And speaking of representatives, the ANTIS can also call a PRO LIFE SUMMIT and invite REPRESENTATIVES from the PCCI, ECOP, MBC etc etc etc and came up with a manifesto OPPOSING RH BILL.  You see?  That’s the problem with representatives, they are too many…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Yes, you are ‘BETTER THAN’ I at being stupid.  Correct.

        The RH Bill isn’t related to that commitment, because the amount has already been dispersed, and the RH Bill hasn’t been passed yet.  I mean do you really need this explained to you?  And yes, the follow through activity MAY refer to the RH Bill, though it could refer to any number of things.

        And go ahead, have the antis try to get a commitment from the MBC to support a manifesto opposing the bill: it’s not going to happen because you don’t actually appear to know both how businesses work, and what powers representatives have.  If an official representative of those organizations actually did that without consulting the boards of directors (which again, is an obvious step in things like this), then he’d get fired within the day.  So, the fact that you’re talking in pipe dreams and hypotheticals aside, your logic is stupid.

      • d2yan

        Still insisting on a FLAWED ASSUMPTION….

        For your appreciation, I will QUOTE VERBATIM from that commitment – “xxx. The government is working to establish a NATIONAL POLICY on reproductive health and population development, and to ALLOCATE FUNDS to implement this vital policy. The Philippines will commit $15 million in 2012 for the purchase of family planning commodities for poor women with an unmet need. xxx” There! See that? If you still don’t believe, here, another one – AFTER THE SUMMIT, a MANIFESTO was signed BACKING the RH BILL. Convinced now?

        “You don’t actually appear to know both how businesses work, and what powers representatives have.” Well, I refer you to two critical points : First, the Inquirer article said this – “The labor code requires companies that employ at least 200 people to provide family planning services to its employees xxx” These companies include BIG BUSINESSES. Second, from the website of UNPF Philippines – “The Business Sector Summit will be a venue……to share good practices and demonstrate how such programmes..….”

        What do I mean with those critical points? This – the OTHER aim of the summit is to IMPROVE COMPLIANCE of the big businesses to the LABOR CODE. Family planning services (as far as big businesses are concerned) are MANDATED BY LAW and YOU HAVE TO COMPLY. So, big businesses have to send representatives on HOW TO COMPLY WITH THE LABOR CODE. But whether such representation EXTENDS TO THE RH BILL (which is beyond the coverage of the big businesses) is ANOTHER MATTER. Clearer now?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Why do you continue to ignore basic facts?

        You claim the 15M was related to the RH Bill, yet the linked report shows that said amount has been disbursed already, even though the RH Bill hasn’t passed yet.  A toddler would be able to tell you the two weren’t connected.  Are you dumber than a toddler?

        And no, you don’t know how businesses work.  Put it this way, if a Filipino ambassador (the national counterpart of a representative) were to put this signature to a manifesto supporting an important international policy, would he have checked with his superiors first to see if they actually supported it?  He obviously would, and by insisting an MBC rep would not have confirmed with his board of directors before signing a manifesto, you show that you are either completely ignorant or desperately clutching at straws.

        And the last paragraph is even MORE clutching at straws.  You like quoting the article?  Well, you missed this bit:

        ““We, the participants… declare our commitment and support to national
        efforts toward ensuring universal access to family planning in the
        advancement of reproductive rights of poor women,””

        How much more explicit can you get than that?  Only an utter idiot would refuse to acknowledge that that DOESN’T mean that they support the RH Bill.  I mean, come ON.  Lose the argument with dignity, instead of relying on lies because it’s all you have.  Granted, that’s the default anti-RH strategy, but it’s still very pathetic.

      • d2yan

        Ay, hindi nya talaga naiintindihan. Listen to the explanation of the “IDIOT” because the “IDIOT” will repeat it again :

        We are talking here of 2 commitments, among others. The FIRST commitment is the passage of a “NATIONAL POLICY” and the SECOND commitment is the spending of $15 Million in 2012. Those 2 commitments are SEPARATE and DISTINCT from each other. You may pass a national policy but fail to spend the $15 Million in 2012. Conversely, you may spend the $15 Million in 2012 but fail to pass a national policy. If you want me to repeat again, I will, because that’s how toddlers learn – by REPETITION.

        I accept the fact that the representatives signed a manifesto supporting the RH bill. There is no argument with that. My point of contention is whether their INDIVIDUAL actions reflect the views of their companies. The PROS do not have the monopoly of policy making in big businesses, there are also ANTIS there. You also have owners of big businesses who don’t agree with the RH bill. They are as divided up there as we are down here. But this one is clear – they send representatives to share best practices and programs to COMPLY with the LABOR CODE. That is clear.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No need for the quotation marks, you’re an IDIOT.

        Your arguments are both really, really, really stupid, loaded with ignorance and misinformation.  I’ve clearly pointed out why, and if you refuse to listen, that’s on you.  I mean, jeez, bringing the labor code into it, when anyone with a brain knows there’s no connection?  How desperate are you?

      • d2yan

        Somebody told me that when a person STOPS arguing RATIONALLY and STARTS name calling (idiot, ignorant, coward blah blah blah) that is a SIGN OF PRIDE.

        PRIDE is not good for the heart.  My apologies for ticking your pride (?) and raising your BP…

        Good evening.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You were never arguing rationally though, so the fact that you’re complaining about someone not being rational is hilarious.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY” REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”                   THIS CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TERRORIST EXTREMIST”

  • d2yan

    This summit is a FOLLOW-THROUGH ACTIVITY to the commitments made by the Philippines during the London Summit on Family Planning in July 2012.

    You want to know the MONETARY commitment? – “The Philippines will commit $15 million in 2012 for the purchase of family planning commodities for poor women with an unmet need.”

    Sounds harmless, right?  Well, that is P600 Million.  How many doctors for the Doctor to the Barrio program can P600 Million sustain for one year?  – more than 1000 doctors!

    It will be spent for contraception, not for the doctors!  You judge which is MORE IMPORTANT…

    • tadasolo

      You got your priorities wrong. 600 million pesos is nothing compared to the human misery brought about by uncontrolled population in Metro Manila alone with the attendant toll on children and their mothers who cannot be fed, get educated, cannot find jobs and selling their bodies and soul to the highest bidder. You cannot place a cost to these misery. By ignoring their conditions you are much guilty and the church for contributing to their unending suffering. You and your minions are constantly blaming the government while ignoring the fact that for so many years since the Spanish introduce christianity the catholic church have been the de facto government in our lives.

      • d2yan

        Now, it is me who got the wrong priorities.
         
        Do you know that we have shortage of doctors in poor areas?  Do you know that 1,000 doctors can cover almost 2/3 of our country’s cities/municipalities?  Do you know that the main contributor for maternal deaths is the absence of doctors during birth?  Do you know that the doctor takes care NOT ONLY the women, but the elderly, children and men as well?
         
        The problem with Manila is not population – it is rapid urban MIGRATION.  And why blame the Church?  Can your religion eliminate this problem?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Do you know that the VAST majority of the RH Bill budget will go towards expanding medical coverage in poor areas?

        Because it will.

        So opposing the RH Bill means you’re opposed to expanding medical care to the poor.

        Which is why it’s absolutely Hi-LARIOUS. when you lot claim supporting the RH Bill makes us anti-poor.

      • d2yan

        Ow, a person that is PRO-POOR.  That’s good!
         
        Well then, can you please EXPLAIN why despite the ACUTE SHORTAGE in BASIC medicines in the health centers (anti hypertension, antibiotics, vaccines, diabetes drugs etc etc etc) and ACUTE SHORTAGE of doctors, we have the temerity to allocate P600 Million for contraceptives?  This is BAD ECONOMICS and MISPLACED PRIORITIES.  We are NOT A RICH COUNTRY, we should know WHAT to prioritize and HOW to allocate limited resource.  And to remind you, the POOR NEED THOSE BASIC MEDICINES AND DOCTOR MORE than YOUR CONTRACEPTIVES!
         
        There, you laugh your heart out explaining it…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        It isn’t, because long term these will lead to immense economic gains in the form of more educated children and less impoverished families.  That is what the best and brightest economists in the Philippines (as well as those of the IMF) believe, and the fact that you think you know economics better than they do is so arrogant it’s unbelievable.

        I’d go on, but given that these points have been being made for ages now, and that you’ve ignored them every time, there really isn’t much point in talking to you, is there?

      • d2yan

        The “best and the brightest” economists…Seems you have not heard the opinions of other economists as well, both HERE and ABROAD, pointing the STRENGHTS in our economy – DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION driven by a YOUNG population, the “SWEET SPOT”, the steady source of SKILLED and COST COMPETITIVE labor etc etc etc… Haven’t you observed what these economists have observed? That we are achieving high economic growth at a point where our POPULATION is at its HIGHEST. Can you explain that phenomenon?

        Your concern on educated children and impoverished families is VALID. However, do you also realize that this can be SOLVED even WITHOUT the RH bill? Haven’t you observed that we are, IN FACT, increasing child education and reducing poverty without the RH bill? This is GOOD ECONOMICS – use the BUDGET for universal access to contraceptives TO UNIVERSAL ACCESS FOR PRIMARY EDUCATION. Use the BUDGET for contraceptives for BASIC MEDICINES and DOCTORS for the POOR.

        Lastly, speaking of LONG TERM, do you know that in the NEXT DECADE, the Philippines is forecasted to hit REPLACEMENT LEVEL in our FERTILITY RATE? The replacement level is the point where the children will just REPLACE the parents providing an impetus for a STEADY or DECLINING population. Are you familiar with that? If you will AGGRESSIVELY implement RH bill, you will also hit the replacement level in the next decade, PERHAPS earlier by 5 years. But at WHAT COST? Family values? BILLIONS of pesos? DISTORTED demographics? It’s not worth it…

        Isn’t it WORTHWHILE talking to the ANTIS….?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Which economists, ‘both HERE and ABROAD’, have spoken out against the RH Bill then?  Most names and article names or you’re a liar.

        Again, if you want to debate this, at least ADMIT you think you’re smarter than the likes of Diokno, Monsod, etc. so the rest of us can laugh at how deluded you are.

        Oh, and it’s worth talking to SOME antis.  The ones who can admit that, given the overwhelming empirical evidence, the bill would be good for the economy, but still oppose it for religious reasons.

        It’s NOT really worth talking to the likes of you, who ignore science and numbers in favor of your own ridiculous biases.

      • d2yan

        Running short of arguments?  If you cannot attack the ARGUMENT, attack the PERSON.  See how you cannot refute the points I raised?

        Diokno?  Estrada’s budget secretary who cannot control the BUDGET DEFICIT?  And Monsod?  When was she NEDA secretary?  1986 – 1989?  What has she done? 

        Akala ko lasing ka na?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’m attacking the PERSON because his ARGUMENTS are so bloody stupid that ANYONE with a basic understanding of economics would say you’re completely wrong.

        And do you think you know more about economics than Monsod or Diokno?  Yes or no question.  Put your cards on the table, coward.

      • d2yan

        I pity myself.  I was called STUPID, a LIAR and now, a COWARD.  Call me whatever you want but this is undeniable – you find it hard to refute the points I raised.
         
        Do I know more about economics than Monsod or Diokno?  In Economic THEORIES, of course NO.  But how to apply those theories in real life situations? – it’s open to ALL (economists and non economists alike).  Economists do not have the monopoly of good economic decision making.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Which points of yours have I not refuted, exactly?

        Your mistaken assumptions that representatives don’t need to get everything approved by higher management?

        Your mistaken assumptions that this is any way related to the London summit?

        When someone’s argument is so clearly wrong, such as insisting the sky is colored green, you don’t bother telling them why they’re wrong, especially when you know they won’t listen.  You point at the sky and tell them to take a look, and if they still insist they’re right you call them idiots.

        Oh, and it is amazingly arrogant that you think you are better at applying economic theory to real life than Diokno or Monsod.  Economists do not have a monopoly on good economic decision making, but given that they actually know somehting about economics (unlike you, clearly), to insinuate that you’re better than two of the best economists in the country on economic decision making is the height of arrogance.

        If you’re so arrogant that you think you know better than two of the best economists in the country, why do you think I don’t care enough to waste my time trying to convince your deluded self otherwise?

    • tamumd

      Our country’s commitment is nothing if you compare it to India’s..which is 2 billion dollars. Nigeria is $45 million….and Pakistan..a poor country like ours is committing a whooping $186 million for their family planning programs. Obviously these countries see this program as beneficial to their citizens otherwise they would have not been funded with that huge sum of money.
      Which is more important..well both of them are important. Both programs will get their own fundings.

      • d2yan

        “Obviously these countries see this program as beneficial to their citizens otherwise they would have not been funded with that huge sum of money.”  Really?  Not until you knew these :
         
        1)      Nigeria – true at $45 Million but that is GOOD for FOUR YEARS.  Average per year is $11 Million, LOWER than the Philippines $15 Million.  And Nigeria’s population is 162 Million.  The Philippines spend MORE per year even with a LOWER population.
         
        2)      Pakistan – true at $186 Million but that is GOOD for EIGHT YEARS.  Average per year is $23 Million, HIGHER than the Philippines $15 Million.  But Pakistan’s population is 177 Million.  PER CAPITA, the Philippines SPEND MORE.  You do the math…
         
        3) India – true at $2 Billion but that is the average IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.  This year and the next?  NO COMMITMENT.  And that amount is for the ENTIRE HEALTH SYSTEM of their 1.2 Billion population.  That is not an “apple to apple” comparison..

        So, WHO then SPENDS more?

      • tamumd

        Trying to wiggle out of the fact that these governments are allocating funds for the family planning programs of their citizens.

        If you look at the statement for the Philippines from the summaries of commitments. That $15 million is just for 2012..and it will be used to purchase family planning commodities and family planning services with NO co-payments it says. It continues by saying “In addition the government will be upgrading public health facilities and increasing the number of health service providers. So obviously this amount is not just for the contraceptions….it includes facilities and salaries of personnels.

      • d2yan

        You earlier said that our country’s commitment is NOTHING if you compare it to India, Nigeria and Pakistan.  That claim is BUSTED.  You just mentioned the amount committed without qualifying the period of time it will be disbursed (in years).  That is NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT.  Lest, you forget, in the 2013 Philippine Budget there’s an allocation AGAIN for contraceptives amounting to P600 Million – the same as the 2012 commitment.
         
        I can’t understand why our government committed to spend $15 Million for contraceptives while other countries you mentioned (Pakistan and Nigeria) committed LESS.  And we are even around HALF of their population.  We are so OA.  We are so OA that despite the ACUTE SHORTAGE in BASIC medicines in the health centers (anti hypertension, antibiotics, vaccines, diabetes drugs etc etc etc) and ACUTE SHORTAGE of doctors, we have the temerity to allocate P600 Million for contraceptives.  This is BAD ECONOMICS and MISPLACED PRIORITIES.  We are NOT A RICH COUNTRY, we should know WHAT to prioritize and HOW to allocate limited resource.  You should know…you work in the medical field.
         
        Lastly, this is our commitment COPIED VERBATIM – “The Philippines will commit $15 million in 2012 for the PURCHASE of family planning COMMODITIES for poor women with an unmet need.”  I capitalized the words PURCHASE and COMMODITIES.  Those are contraceptives, not salaries, not facilities…

      • tamumd

        Here’s an excerpt from Inquirer Sept 15, 2012 issue “But Health Secretary Enrique Ona claimed that the P537-million budget would not be limited to contraceptives, but would include “advocacy” projects as part of the overall program for “family health.” 

        Again that money is not just for contraceptive as you like to show. DOH is trying to solve physician shortage. In fact Ona had promised that by next year those remote areas in the south without doctors will have their own. The issue is not a simple shortage..it’s the willingness of doctors to be assigned in conflict ridden areas. No one wants to be kidnapped or killed.

        The fact that those poor countries made a long term commitment to set aside money to fund reproductive health programs in their respective jurisdictions is a testament that they’re committed to addressing ran away population explosion. We don’t have to match and exactly copy what they allocate.

        Finally you stop short of copy-pasting the whole paragraph and left out the last 2 sentences where “facilities and manpower” were mentioned. Go back and read them again.

      • d2yan

        What ADVOCACY is that?  ADVOCACY to promote CONTRACEPTIVES?  That is why the response of the Secretary was included in the article BUT was ENCLOSED in quotation marks (“ ”).  The Secretary’s claim CANNOT BE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED.
         
        You should understand the Philippine commitment AS IT IS WRITTEN.  The facilities and salaries are ON TOP of the $15 Million commitment.  Common sense : how can a P600 Million commitment be enough for contraceptives, salaries and facilities for the WHOLE COUNTRY?  Facilities improvement alone costs BILLIONS.       

      • tamumd

        That was the word of the secretary as quoted by the writer of the article. He was trying to clarify that all those amount were not just allocated for contraception.

        How could I “understand it as written” when it is very clear that the $15 million which is the equivalent of 600 million in peso clearly states that that includes facilities and personnel outlays. Never says ON TOP of it. Of course this is not enough that is why the DOH budget for 2013 is around P53 billion. Hospitals, clinics and other facility improvement and modernization have their own set of budgets. For 2012 alone..the budget for that was 1.7 billion

      • d2yan

        When busted, do not admit. When short of argument, do not admit you are wrong….

        Even if it is clear that the $15 Million is for PURCHASE of COMMODITIES, you are still convincing YOURSELF that your understanding is correct. Let me ask you : Is it proper to say PURCHASE of FACILITIES or PURCHASE of MANPOWER? Are FACILITIES considered commodities? Are MANPOWER considered commodities?

        If you still INSIST, tell me then what kind of facility and manpower was included in the $15 Million…according to your understanding.

      • tamumd

        You are the one insisting of your interpretation when it is very clear that it is stated in the Summary of Commitments then Secretary Ona clarified it in the article published on Sept. You could definitely build several Brgy Health Center Clinics and pay the midwives and Brgy Health workers with that amount. We are not talking state of the art, glass buildings here. That could just be a small rectangular building with with a few chair..with an exam room and a table. That is how clinics in the little towns look like. That P600 million ..you can do alot about it.
        It’s funny that you’re insisting that that amount is not enough when you’re insisting on your imagined interpretation..yet you turn around and said that’s alot of money…we have  other priorities! Well which one?

      • d2yan

        In your discussion with poltergeist-fuhrer, you said this $15 Million is the budget for contraceptives.  Remember?  Here, you said otherwise.

        Remember, LIARS GO TO HELL.  Ay, sorry, wala pa lang hell.  So, its ok to lie.

      • tamumd

        I didn’t specifically say that 15 million is JUST for contraceptives. I was just correcting him of his 20 billion b…s.

      • d2yan

        Ya…ok…if there’s one thing I admire in you? That you can be a GOOD LAWYER.

        Till next time Doc. Best of luck to you…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Inquirer Article: ‘DOH has P537M for condoms, contraceptives’

      ‘MANILA, Philippines—While lawmakers continue to debate whether to
      pass the reproductive health bill, the Department of Health (DOH) has
      been granted P537 million for the purchase of condoms and other
      contraceptives in its budget for next year.

      The allocation is part of the department’s P56.8-billion budget
      for 2013, which hurdled plenary deliberations at the House of
      Representatives Friday afternoon.

      But Health Secretary Enrique Ona claimed that the P537-million
      budget would not be limited to contraceptives, but would include
      “advocacy” projects as part of the overall program for “family health.”’

      So no, you’re wrong: it isn’t all going towards contraceptives, and it really isn’t related to the RH Bill.  Basing your entire argument around a small blurb in a foreign report isn’t really a wise idea.

      I know this isn’t going to stop you lot from spreading the misinformation, as that’s all you really do, but whatever.

      • d2yan

        The article you quote is for NEXT YEAR’S BUDGET – 2013…

        The $15 Million commitment was for THIS YEAR – 2012…

        You see the difference? Kakahiya ano? And I am the one “spreading misinformation”?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        No, it’s still you who is spreading misinformation.

        Why would the government do all of it’s buying for a year in September?  You really have no idea how governments work, do you?

      • d2yan

        Who says “the government do all of it’s buying for a year in September”? What is that? Where did you based that?

        I was trying to explain to you that the ARTICLE you quoted and the country’s COMMITMENT in the FAMILY PLANNING SUMMIT are of DIFFERENT TIME FRAME. The FORMER was for 2013 and the LATTER for 2012. They are NOT THE SAME. So quoting that ARTICLE to explain the $15 Million commitment is OFF-TOPIC. Get the IDEA?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        You, you ridiculous troll.

        You fail at understanding how government, or even basic procurement work.

        I’m drunk at the moment, and have no real patience to explain something to an ignoramus, so I’ll just tell you to look it up, or talk to an ACTUAL economist and be done with you.

      • d2yan

        Kaya pala hindi mo maintindihan sinasabi ko, LASING ka.  Pakibalikan mo na lang kung wala na hang over…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

         Sucks to you d2yan!!! What have you done?!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

  • tadasolo

    Did you notice the opponents of the RH BILL are changing their tactics to defeat the bill. Initially they used the morally issue of sinfulness, killing babies.
    Then they used conspiracy by foreign powers to eradicate the Filipinos.
    And now they using economic issues in the debate. 
    Their main purpose is to dilute, lie, cheat, deflect and manipulate us all into believing their purpose is to protect our being and save us from eternal ‘Suffering’ while they do not practice what they preach. We can see in our eyes the neglect and indifference they see on the poor of manila. They think they care but in reality they don’t. Their failure to see the living conditions of millions of Filipinos living in subhuman misery is a testament to their hypocrisy. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      Some of these anti-RH fools have gone far and ahead with their tactics just to push out the pro-RH like us from our dissent and off-tangent from our beliefs with changing confusing statements and whatnot. It makes me think whether or not they’re dead serious in crushing all the pro-RH in any way they can think of. What I have been thinking, based on their sick line of reasoning, is that since they don’t care at all, they want the governments and the whole population to do all the hard work. Then people not knowing that they’re just watching the whole population do all the hard work whether or not the economy prospers, the whole population working together hand-in-hand, a nirvana Philippines if that’s what you want; if you’re eyes are still wide awake you’ll realize that the whole nation will be like bowing down to a slew of religious tyrants. There’s more to than just hypocrisy from where that came from. Next thing you’ll know, you don’t want to wake up in the morning one day where all kinds of contraceptives is outlawed like taking illegal drugs, childless couples are deemed persona non grata countrywide while making a cash cow out of them, and calling the Church a hypocrite is a national blasphemy that can land you in jail. Last time I checked, the Philippines is still a republic. Neither is it a sectarian government. By the time the anti-RH lobbyists get what they want, the Philippines won’t be a democratic country anymore. Picture out the extremes of the worst case scenario where Philippines lose its democracy to the anti-RH political fools and tyrants.

  • jinx

    Last time I checked, the Philippines is still a republic. Neither is it a sectarian government, nor is it catholic. So why bother listening to the most annoying sector of our country?  The had their chance when they played a major role in the history of our country for more than 500 years. But they failed badly.  Moral decadence has never been this low.  Now that we have a proposed law that may give a chance to empower the poor, particularly the women, here they are playing the savior again, as if they had something to contribute.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      //Last time I checked, the Philippines is still a republic. Neither is it a sectarian government, nor is it Catholic.//
      >
      Maybe the next time we open our eyes, that is NOT gonna be the case
      anymore. Iyan ankg ikinagagalit ko (sa LAHAT ng mga anti-RH). They’re
      trying hard to impose their beliefs upon the people just to be the
      reigning “power behind the throne”… Are you bothered just yet? Come to think that the anti-RH
      politicians are lobbying the positions in the government for a false,
      delusional and off-tangent self-glorification for “playing the hero”
      where the RH bill and contraceptives are the villains.

      //So why bother listening to the most annoying sector of our country?//
      >
      Nobody asked to be imposed of the pro-life “teachings” and beliefs
      being pushed forth by padre Damaso and the Mitsubishops – THEY are
      imposing beyond and against the will of the people.

  • ConstructiveMediaCritics

    THE MODERN FAMILY PLANNING FOR THE POOR FILIPINO TO CONTROL OUR POPULATIONS TO LESSEN GOVERNMENT PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ALLEVIATION OF THE POVERTY ISSUES IN THE PHILIPPINES…

    FROM THE PHILIPPINES TO ANY COUNTRY AND TO THE GLOBAL UNITY ON PRO MODERN FAMILY PLANNING IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE….

    THE RH BILL 4244 OR MODERN FAMILY PLANNING IS UNGODLY AND INHUMANE IN NATURE AND SCOPE OF THE PROGRAM….THE CONTRACEPTIVES CONCEPTS OF THE PROGRAM OF RH BILL IS THE WORST CONTENTS OF THE BILL…..

    THE CONTRACEPTIVES KILL HUMAN THE BABIES AND ALSO THE MOTHER WOULD EVEN KILL DURING HIS PREGNANCY PROCESS STOPPING THE OVULATIONS OF THE BABY LIKE PILLS AND IT WILL RESULT OF BAD EFFECTS TO ABORTIONS AND MANY SIDE EFFECTS TO WOMEN AND BABIES AND THE FUTURE BABIES OF THE PARENT OR WOMEN….THERE ARE MANY SIDE EFFECTS OF THE CONTRACEPTIVES AND ALSO THE THE HINDRANCE OF BABY TO BORN IS AGAINST THE GODS WILL AND TEACHINGS TO US…

    THE GOD TAUGHT US TO PROLIFERATE AND HE KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN ACCOMMODATE HIS CREATION OF ENVIRONMENT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF HIS CREATIONS IT IS US WHO GIVEN THE POWER TO SUBDUE IT ARE BEING SELFISH IN OUR NATURE AND THE POLITICS WE USE IN GOVERNANCE AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM ARE NOT FAIR AND JUST AND GOOD IN GOVERNANCE FOR EVERYONE……

    LET US LEAVE TO GOD THE POPULATIONS CONTROL HE KNOWS HOW TO CONTROL IT WHO LIVE AND DIE HE KNOWS HOW TO BALANCE IT… THE BIBLE TAUGHT US HE IS THE ONE WHO CAN TAKE LIFE….WE USE CONTRACEPTIVE AS WE KNOW IT CONTROL THE LIVES TO BORN WE ARE WRONG IT IS GOD WHO KNOWS WHO WILL BORN…. THE EVILNESS WILL PRODUCE TO LIFE BY THE CONTRACEPTION’S ARE CONTROL BY GOD, GOD WILL TAKE IT BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS IT WILL PRODUCE BY THE EVIL TO THE BABY TO BORN AND THE BABY IS NOT FOR YOU TO BORN AS YOU SEDUCE BY EVIL IN CONTRACEPTION’S……. HOW THE EVIL WANTS TO KILL THE PERSON IF GOD DOESN’T WANT THE PERSON WILL LIVE….WE THE GODLY SERVING GOD WILL STOP YOU IN PUTTING RH BILL INTO LAW SO THAT YOU WILL NOT HINDRANCE IN LIFE AND KILLING BABIES AND MOTHER….

    BE GODLY AGAIN LET US LEAVE TO GOD THE POPULATIONS CONTROL HE KNOW HOW TO BALANCE AND CONTROL, HE KNOW WHO WILL DIE AND LIVE AND SPECIALLY IN ECONOMIC ISSUE.. HOW WE MANAGE OUR ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SYSTEM ON NOT KILLING AND HINDRANCE TO LIFE….

    PARANG SURVIVAL NA ANG BUHAY NATIN NGAYON NA KAILANGAN MAGBUWIS KA NG BUHAY PARA LANG KUMAIN YUNG IBA SAMANTALANG TUTUKLASIN MO LANG ANG PAMAMARAAN KUNG PAANO NATIN PAUUNLARIN NG SAMA SAMA AT MAAYOS ANG ATING BANSA AT ATING KAPALIGIRAN O LIKAS NA YAMAN… YUNG MGA KAWAWANG ISISILANG PA LANG O SISIBOL PA LANG ANG ATING ISASAKRIPISYO…  KUNG MAGLAHO NA LANG KAYO MGA AUTHOR NG RH BILL NA YAN AT MGA SUPPORTER NYAN PARA KAME ANG MAY MAKAIN KAYO NA LANG ANG MAGBUWIS NG BUHAY PARA SAMIN PWEDE BA? GUSTO NYO BA NG GANYANG PAMIMMILOSOPO EH DI BA HINDI MAGANDA……..

    KUNG MAGIGING MAKADIYOS TAYONG LAHAT AT SUSUNDIN NATIN ANG ECONOMIC NG CHRISTIAN PRACTICE AYON SA BIBLE EH ABOLITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY ANG ARAL NG DIYOS DUN AT SISIGURHIN KO NA SOSOBRA PA ANG YAMAN NG LAHAT PARA KUMAIN TAYO KUNG ATING LILIKUMIN ITO PARA SA ISANG BAGONG BUHAY O PULITIKA AT EKONOMIYA……MASYADONG KAPITALISTA ANG MGA SUPORTER AT MGA AUTHOR KAYA GANUN AT ITONG KAAWA AWANG MGA MAHIHIRAP AN NALOKO NILANG SUMUPORTA EH HINDI NA ALAM PATI MAGISIP NG MAKADIYOS SA GUTOM AT KAHIRAPAN…ETONG MGA KAPITALISTA EH WALA NG PAKIRAMDAM YAN PARA SA KAPWA PARA SA KANILA MAY PERA SILA KE MAMATAY KA PA…….

    THE POPULATION IS RICHNESS AND RESPECT THE LIFE FOR THE LIFE THAT GOD GAVE TO US….

    GOD AND JESUS AND MOTHER MARY LIGHTS, LIGHTS AND MIRACLE AND LOVE BLESS US ALL….

    • jinx

       I hope it’s not your picture next to your name because you’ve just shown to the world how badly educated you are.

    • tamumd

      Your full of b..s! What’re you a communist…trying to redistribute wealth? If the catholic church in the Philippines is sitting on million pesos of investments and properties and don’t want to touch those money to help the poor….what gall do you have to demand redistribution of private properties? If the catholic church has hundreds of private schools from elementary to college and does not open at least 50% of their enrollment to poor kids….then you don’t have a business of talking about equality and abolition of private property coz that’ll just illustrate how hypocrite you are.

      Population is wealth if all of the people are healthy and educated. It’s a hellish existence if most of them could barely eat one full meal a day from pagpag, lives in shanty houses under bridges and along canals, find livelihood by digging through trash and refuse and barely even set foot in a school.
      Eat your god to yourself! Your freaking typical bahala na ang diyos mentality is the reason why alot of our people are poor and don’t endeavor to uplift themselves ! Because of the wrong notion that some force from above would provide everything for them. That gives people false hope and make them helpless.

      • napali808

         The bahala na ang diyos mentality is what these arrogant RC bishops perpetuate because that’s their life blood. More blind followers flock to church to pray for god’s help more donation/ moola.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Protip: If you can’t even figure out how to work a caps lock, why should people listen to you?

      Protip 2: People like you are why so many are against religion.  If you were born a Muslim you’d probably be an Al Qaeda waterboy by now.

  • beer_leader

    Dear Corrupt Bishops and Corrupt Priests or CBCP ,Pwede Po ba Paki Esplika ang Tutoong Meaning ng Separation of Church and State?

    • txtman

      PRES. OBAMA SAID

      TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN

      TO HELP THE POOR

      LETS DO THAT

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JLN7DWHPJSNQZQJKZQ4LEU4VKE LabuyoB

    All’s GREED and nothing more, I hope that we will not be consumed by it or else we all perish!

    • Guest

      You look like you were just born. In this system, greed is the norm already and slowly consuming the whole structure.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      Yes, let us all hope that the CBCP is, at some point, willing to sacrifice future alms in favor of letting the country improve.

  • Guest

    What I notice here is that many give too much weight on demographics (quantity) but too seldomly on factor:

    1. good governance
    2. skills of the populace
    3. political situation

    I don’t need to give demographic examples of China, Japan, Russia and S’pore because they are already common place here.
    Acc. to some anti-RH, young, big population is an advantage. If you know the demographics of other countries like Nigeria, that thesis is easily debunked as well. Or going back to the Philippines, in the 1990s, this country was even much younger then than now (cannot imagine it?) with actually also an already large population of more than 60 million people. (60 million is also a huge number for a small country in terms of area) But it could not benefit from the actually good demographics because of the back then much more rampant corruption and political instability.

    In the Phils, the worry is not the population growth (or the even more far away coming demographic winter) but the development of number of college graduates and thus with it the skills of the populace. Quote from article “Declining number of college graduates threatens Phl workforce”, philstar dot com, April 19, 2012:

    “According to NSCB, in the past 10 years, the total number of college graduates increased by an average of only 2.9 percent.

    “Competing against the knowledge-based economies of the Third
    Millennium, these marginal improvements will not be sufficient to build
    our knowledge base as a nation,” the NSCB said in a statement.

    The number of graduates increased to only 481,862 in academic year (AY)
    2009-2010 from 363,640 in AY 2000-2001. This is considered slow since
    the country’s average population growth during the period was at 1.9
    percent.”

    But even more worrying is this (from same article):

    “In AY 2009-2010, there were only 56,209 graduates of education science
    and teacher training, significantly lower than the 71,349 recorded in AY
    2000-2001.”

    In the time between 2000 and 2010, the increase of the number of graduates didn’t match with the population growth rate, what is actually fatal for the economy. You can have 300 million people, but if largely unskilled, they would economically rather be a “liability” (used quotation marks as indicating that I use that word with precaution).

    The irony of all is, that guarded Catholic colleges charge high tuition fees. And within those college walls you hear preachings about social injustice. O_O

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      People still have the patience to try and use economics to reason with anti-RH zombies?

      It won’t work, I’m telling you, as if the fact that the country’s foremost economists have supported the bill didn’t sway them this won’t.

      Good on you though.

      • txtman

        PRES. OBAMA SAID

        TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN

        TO HELP THE POOR

        PAPAYAG KAYA SILA?

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        THEY DONT CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE

        ALL THEY CARE IS BIG BUCKS

        PITIFUL

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY MORE STREET CHILDREN ISNATCHER IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES””

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        I’m not opposed to taxing the rich more, though given that no tax hikes are being linked to the RH Bill you’re really just trying to divert the debate, as you’re losing again.

  • jjammess

    To Albert Einstein
    I don’t think so. If rich has more children then there would be more rich than poor.

    • txtman

      PRES. OBAMA SAID

      TAX THE RICH MORE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      LETS DO THAT

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      nagsabi ba nun???

      ang hilig mo talaga sa tsismis…

      talo mo pa si boy abunda…

      boy ikaw ba yan????

      sobrang bakla mo!!!

    • txtman

      PRES. OBAMA SAID

      LETS TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE BIG RICH BUSINESSMEN

      TO HELP THE POOR

      LETS DO IT

      QUESTION PAPAYAG BA SILA?

      OF COARSE NOT

      THEY DONT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE

      THEY CARE ABOUT MONEY

      PITIFUL

  • mangTASYO

    Without reproduction, human race will cease to exist.  Likewise, if all Adams will become priests, then homo sapiens will become extinct. Reproduction therefore is a must to pass the life on to the next generation. Before the creation of man, all provisions have first been created, ie light, vegetation, sea life, birds, land animals, etc. Yet in the midst of abundance, only 1 man and 1 woman were created. Yes, may I repeat, t’was only 1 pair – Adam and Eve! “Go forth and multiply”…was divine instruction, but look at today priests are disobeying this order.

    Woman is only releasing 1 mature egg (ovulation) every month with 3-5 days menstruation, thus limiting population explosion. We don’t need condom and contraceptive to control the population.  Educate the people about the natural method of birth control.  555 for example is the best formula…5 days before the menstruation and 5 days after the menstruation, are safe.  And of course, during the 5 days menstruation, it is absolutely “bloody” safe, argh!  Hence man have 15 days to enjoy.  
    For the other 15 days, well, you may use coitus interruptus or withdrawal which is acceptable to the church. 

    Family planning is not bad at all.  The Creator did not overpopulate the earth – only Adam and Eve were created!

    To avoid or plan the pregnancy – YES to natural family planning.
    Say “NO” to condom (kawawa si manoy – bitin).
    Say “NO” to contraceptives (kawawa si manay – side effect).
    Say “NO” to condom and contraceptives (kawawang businessman – lugi).

    • napali808

       Where have you been? In the developed countries they use condom and contraceptive extensively either for birth control or to prevent spreading diseases and that’s the reality. Open your eyes and mind.

      • mangTASYO

        Of course, you have the right to use condom and contraceptive…but for religious sentivity kuno…then natural coitus interruptus is fine without bad side-effect unlike  contraceptives.  Condom is prescribed if you are with kumare or woman other than your wife…it is also strongly recommended to mga bading to prevent the spread of aids, and other std’s.  Developed countries are not necessarily good models when it comes to morality issues.  Sowee but wala akong bilib sa mga developed countries in which most of them I have already visited.

      • napali808

         IN theory your NCI works, but for practical purposes it doesn’t and it shows. Ang preba is all around you. Who would be able to even to keep track on all this dates of ovulation, etc and that’s reality.

        Regarding your perception about morality in the west; do you think we are any better? I lived in both sides I know. At least here in the west none of these hypocrite, arrogant RC bishops go around imposing their perceive god given right to meddle with the affairs of the state. In fact a good number of them are in prison for sexual offences.

      • mangTASYO

        5 days before and after the menstruation is not an NCI works or theory. If you’re in doubt, see a doctor. Women normally know their menstruation periods – its alpha and omega.

        Regarding morality in the West, well definitely you have a different perception, and I have to respect that. When I was in the City of Angels, I declined to visit the Sin City for my own reason and I hope you don’t mind.

        Concerning men in robes, well, some of them are good but according to NCI Research (smiles), RC is more on paganism based on Romans cults and beliefs. Damaso was already exposed by Pepe so there’s nothin’ new. We cud only pray for the safety of basilios and crispins from the claws of the sick maniacs (or sex maniacs)? – amen

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    The church is the BIGGEST Business of them all.

    • txtman

      PRES. OBAMA SAID

      TAX THE RICH MORE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      LETS DO THAT

      ANYWAY THESE BIG RICH BUSINESSMEN SAID THEY WILL HELP THE POOR

      TOTOO KAYA?

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      PITIFUL

  • what_is_going_on

    The 1987 Constitution of the Philippines declares: The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. (Article II, Section 6) – so much for that idea. 

    • txtman

      PRES. OBAMA SAID

      TO HELP THE POOR

      WE NEED TO TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN

      THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO HELP THE POOR

      THEY SHOW IT

      GIVE MORE TAXES JUST LIKE PRES OBAMA SAID

      I DOUBT THEY WILL DO THAT

      BAKIT KA NINYO?

      THESE BUSINESSMEN DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE POOR

      JUST CARE ABOUT MORE MONEY

      PITIFUL

  • txtman

    PAKIALAM MO KUNG PURO CAPS AKO?

    THAT IS MY CHOICE & STYLE

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    PROVIDING CONDOMS TO MANYAKS?

    WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR THEIR SEXUAL ACTIVITIES

    GUSTO NILA MAGSEX

    FINE

    PERO DON’T EXPECT ME TO PAY FOR THEIR CONDOMS

    PITIFUL

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      correct…

      taxes natin, ipapambili ng condom sa mga manyak na tao….

      DOH plan next year is to buy condoms and pills worth

      20 BILLION PESOS….and that means business for these sick businessmen

  • txtman

    YOU LIVE IN NA?

    CARE KO SA NA?

    AND WHY SHOULD WE CARE ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC OPINIONS ANYWAY?

    SINABI MO NA NGA MISMO

    PEOPLE IN NA ARE USING PILLS & HAVE TWO KIDS

    AND YET THEY CANNOT AFFORD A GOOD LIFE?

    MEANING THEY ARE STILL POOR!

    SO NASAAN YUNG LOGIC MO, ABOUT PILLS THEN?

    TANGA!

    GOOD JOBS IS THE ANSWER

    NOT PILLS & CONDOMA

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    YOU DID NOT WEVEN HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS?

    TALAGA LANG HA

    ARE YOU SOOO DUMB

    THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ADS IN US TV’S?

    STRICT LAWS DAW?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    INENG, ANG DAMI NA NILANG BINAWING MGA GAMOT

    AND LET ME EDUCATE YOU

    RISK & DANGERS OF THESE DRUGS MAY NOT BE SEEN IN YEARS

    YAN ANG PROBLEM

    PAG ANG ISANG TAO AY HINDI ALAM ANG SINASABI

    READ & LEARN HOW DRUGS WORKS

    BEFORE KA MAGCOMMENT

    AND NEVER COMMENT IN ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    I PAY MILLIONS OF TAXES

    HOW ABOUT YOU?

    EXCUSE ME

    IT IS YOU WHO DON’T CARE THE UNBORN

    IT YOU WHO ARE SELFISH

    SAMPALIN MO SARILI MO PARA MATAUHAN KA HA

    PITIFUL

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    TANGA

    GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL

    HINDI KA MARUNONG NG MATH

    WHAT DO EXPECT NGA NAMAN SA MGA TAONG

    LAMAN NG KOKOTE IS

    SEX

    SEX

    SEX

    PILLS & CONDOM

    EH DI CONDOM HEAD

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    READ AGAIN THE REPORT OF THAT WANNABE ORGANIZATION

    IT DOES NOT INCLUDE RELIGION

    PITIFUL

  • poltergeist_fuhrer

    correct again…

    it does not follow na konti ang anak, automatically makes the family rich…

    but, ang mga patalastas ng mga PRO RH ay ganuon…less kids means chicken in the plate…POOR LOGIC

    • tamumd

      Of course it’s a lame logic coz your understanding of having a few children is faulty and ridiculous in of itself. The purpose of having the number of children that a couple want and could humanely support is NOT to make the family millionaires….it’s so that the family could adequately feed them daily, clothe them, provide safe and clean shelter and most of all be able to send them to school. That is how the cycle of poverty could be broken.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        and having3 plus children cant do that???another lame logic…hahaha….

        what contraceptives teach is to make people irresponsible…why not doing abstinence or natural…

        there many ways to reduce population by not necessarily using condoms and pills…but they insist on these cos it spells MONEY…and big businesses will understandably back this cos this means MONEY…

        the plan of DOH next year is to buy 20 BILLION…i repeat, 20 BILLION worth of contraceptives…now, what is it all about???

      • tamumd

        I don’t know why you mentioned the number 3…..I didn’t specifically mention a number coz that depends on the wishes and capability of the couple to be able to raise their children humanely possible. You could have 25 children if you want just as long as you could feed them adequately so that they don’t grow malnourished and dumb, clothe them and be able to send them to high school and college.
        You don’t have empirical evidence to support your claim that contraceptives teach people irresponsibility. That’s your conjecture.

        Hello the RH bill is not imposing which type of contraception a couple could use. Obviously both NFP and artificial methods are included. If you are a die hard NFP follower knock yourself out. NO one would be holding open your mouth to force you to take a pill. However those would be made available to those who wants them. You cannot impose what you want and don’t want to other people as you don’t run their lives. That’s little too naive of you.
        NOPE wrong..in the budget for 2013 the allocated amount is $15 million or P600 million.

      • d2yan

        HULI KA!

        In OUR discussion, you specifically ARGUE that the 2013 budet and the $15 Million are NOT ONLY CONTRACEPTIVES.

        Here in your discussion with poltergeist-fuhrer, you admit IT IS.  DUPLICITY in broad daylight.  

      • tamumd

        What did you catch? I was correcting him about his 20billion claim solely for contraception.
        I merely said only $15 million is allocated for that. I don’t have to specify everytime I talk that it includes pills and condoms and IUDS and payment of health care worker and purchase of equipments and building of clinics. That’s understood…as they are part of the reproductive health program. How are you supposed to dispense them if you don’t  pay personnel coz I don’t expect pills and IUDs would just suddenly go to every woman without someone to explain how to use them and their side-effects. You’re so desperate..you’re nitpicking and trying to be literal. Or ignoring part of a paragraph just to support your faulty claim.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        u better ask the DOH and the minutes of budget hearing in congress…and that is 20 billion

      • tamumd

        And did you ask DOH and flipped through the budget hearing minutes? Or did you just plucked that number out of thin air?
        There’s a PDI article dated Sept. 15, 2012 titled “DOH has P537 million for condoms, contraceptives” from the department’s 2013 budget of P56.7 billion.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      It obviously doesn’t, but it certainly reduces costs, and makes the family more likely to become more wealthy.

  • txtman

    YOU CAN ALWAYS DO PALLIATE CARE

    DO YOU KNOW HOSPICE CARE

    IT IS A BIG BUSINESS IN THE US

    BIG BUCKS

    AND A LOT OF THESE HOSPICE PEOPLE DO EUTHANASIA

    ALL THEY GIVE IS MORPHINE

    MORPHINE

    MORPHINE

    WHO WILL GONNA PAY THOSE MEDS?

    THE GOVERNMENT?

    KA INGGO

    WALA NA NGA SILANG PUNDO SA SIMPLENG ANTIBIOTICS

    YOU STILL EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE
        THOSE MORE EXPENSIVE MEDS?

    AND THIS IS TOO DANGEROUS TO THE POOR PEOPLE

    BAKIT KAMO

    KASI PO

    NAPAKAMING MGA DOCTORS ANG MGA TANGA AT TAMAD

    THAT IS THE TRUTH

    DAHIL SA KATANGAHAN AT KATAMARAN NILA

    PAPAUWIIN NA ALNG MAG MAHIHIRAP NA PASYENTE

    IT SI EASY FOR YOU TO JUST AGREE FOR THAT BILL

    KASI HINDI MO NARANASAN MAGING MAHIRAP NA PASYENTE

    THESE FIL-AMS JUST WANTS TO START THEIR BUSINESS
       IN THE PH

    AND THAT IS THE TRUTH

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    THEN PROVE IT

    PITIFUL

  • xrisp

    .

  • txtman

    PRES. OBAMA SAID

    TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN

    TO HELP THE POOR

    ANYWAY THESE BIG BUSINESSMEN SAID THEY WANT TO HELP THE POOR

    THEY SHOULD NOT SAY NO THEN TO HIGHER TAXES

    LETS FOLLOW THE USA PATH

    TAX THE RICH MORE

    TO HELP THE POOR

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    ITALY and ISRAEL, the Original christians, have Universal RH for the people.Wag na TRYING HARD catholics mga Pinoy.Daming pulubi sa kalsada.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      pa ulit ulit nalang ganyan ang post mo ah….wala na bang iba???

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Paulit ulit din ang mga post ng mga bobong katulad ni txtman.  Bat di ka nagrereklamo sa mga ganon?

  • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

    Alam natin lahat na ang nagpost ng komentaryo dito nasa tamang edad na, alam natin lahat kung ano talaga ang dahilan kung bakit naghihirap ang ating bansa, pina kauna dyan kurapsyon,
    alam natin lahat bawat pwesto na may uupo kurapsyon nandyan, sigaw ng sigaw tayo na itigil ang kurapsyon, ngayon may bago nanamang batas na kailangan ng pondo payag parin tayo na magkaroon ng dagdag na lugar para sa mga kurap nating gobyerno, maliban lang kung isa ka sa benipesyo dyan talagang ipaglaban mo, alam natin yan di pa kailangan ng bayan dahil ang mga layunin ay nasa DOH na ang kulang lang talaga is yong taos pusong emplementasyon at pondo, Ngayon sa d pag pasa sa bill na ito karamihan ang simbahang katoliko ang sinisi na alam natin lahat na wala ni isang representante ang simhalan para humarang o boboto sa bill na ito, ang simbahan ay hanggang simbahan at midya kung sila ay kunan ng openion, nasa karamihan nay kung maniniwa sila sa katayuan ng simbahan o hindi. Sa paghihirap ng karamihan simbahan pa rin sinisi nasa individaul na yan kung bakit sila naghihirap, at ngayon gawin pang dahilan na marami ang pumasok bilang prostitute dahil sa paghihirap at binatikos ang simbahan sa di pag pass sa bill na ito at hayaan nalang ang ating kababayan ng magprostitute….. ANO ngayon ang papel ng contraceptives at bilang tamad sa isang tao dahil sa contraceptives na yan…. Alam natin lahat, maliban kung isa ka sa nakinabang,,,, na marami ngayong nag aaral sa koleheyo kahit may kaya pero pumasok bilang bayaran dahil comportable silang pumasok sa ganong trabaho sapagkat alam nilang safe sila dahil sa condom, at ang pinakamasama pa na pangyayari dahil sa subrang ambisyon sa materyal na aspeto at na silaw sa pera sa walang kapagoapagod na trabaho, kalaunan gumamit pa ng droga para mapanatiling lakas ang katawan sa oras ng eskwela at ang unang pianakadahilan nito ay ang safe sa condom…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVI3CGSFRRZLG3FWCX3U7CXLNU Jay-Z boi-1da

      You don’t live in a vacuum!!! Tapos kung umasta ka feeling mo you’re one of the adults?! Why should we listen to some hypocrite like you?

      WALA KANG KARAPATAN NA MALIITIN AT SAGASAAN MO KAMING MAS MAY PINAG-ARALA KAYSA SA’YO!!!

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Well sorry po! di ko kayo minamaliit at lalo ng wala sa isip ko ang managasa ng tao, pero sa mga paliawanag ko dalawa lang ang pweding masagasaan kung ikaw ay nasa gobyerno at kurakot which ok lang kung nasagasaan kita dahil kasali tax ko sa ninakaw mo. Pangalawa, kung ikaw ay estudayante na nagbenta ng laman loob, hihingi ako ng soory po dahil sarili mo yan. FYI lang d ko kinumbensi na makinig sa akin. pinapaliwanag ko lang ang katayuan ko sa RH bill na yan..At tama ka masmaypinag aralan kayo kay sa akin dahil mga magulang ko noon ay magbubukid at mangingisda lang kaya di kami mapaaral kung anu man ang naabot mo ngayon. Pero kung anu man rin ang naabot ko ngayon ay very proud po ako dahil ang pera na ginastos ko ay galing talaga sa aking sarili, eh sayo? kung nasa gobyerno angkan baka nakaw yong pera ginastos sayo? Sige ikaw na ang mas may pinag aralan sabihin mo nga dito kung ano ang kulang sa programa ng DOH na kailangan pa ang RH bill na yan…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        OO KAILANGAN TALAGA NG R.H BILL KASI MAWAWALA NA NAMAN ANG LIBRENG PILLS SA CENTER HAHARANGIN NA NAMAN NI BISHOP KAWAWA NAMAN ANG MAHIHIRAP TAPOS IPAPAHILOT ANG TIYAN AT YUNG FETUS ITATAPON NA NAMAN SA TAPAT NG CATHOLIC CHURCH TALAGANG TERORITA ANG CBCP BISHOPS’

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        kung nawala o mawala man ang pills o kung anong klasing serbisyo sa Barangay Healh Worker yan dahil kinurakot sa mga gobyerno di dahil kay Bishop walang makapagpigil sa layunin na nakasaad sa Programa ng DOH haggat walat batas na mag utos na itigil.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        EH TANONG KO SAYO ANO GINAWA NI ATIENZA SA MAYNILA AT DI RAW NAG BIBIGAY NG PILLS SA MAHIHIRAP HA” INIUTOS DAW NG CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN” SABIHIN MONG DI TOTOO YAN MGA TERORISTA KAYO KAYA YUNG SIMBAHAN KATOLIKO TAPUNAN NG PETUS CBCP BISHOP ALAGAD NG DEMONYO”HAYOP KAYO SUMPAIN SANA KAYO CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN EXTREMIST’ MONSINYOR PLS” STOP TERORISIM TO PILIPINO NATION”’

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Mag isip ka nga!!!! eh sino ba ang tagapagpatupad ng batas CBCP? tanong mo sa sarili mo at kang ATIENZA kaya nga talo sila kay LIM dahil kurakot sila. alam mo yong word na DAW di sigurado, eh kung kinurakot ni ATIENZA ang budget doon at sinabi lang na UTOS ng CBCP, the community has the right to complain kung ano ang d nabigay ng pamahalaan nanaisabatas na…eh ikaw ano bang religion mo TERORISMO post mo panay TERORISMO pinopromote mo yata…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

        KATOLIKO AKO YUN RELIHIYON KO UMALIS AKO SA KATOLIKO DAHIL SINUNGALING KAYO NGAYON LANG ASAWA KO AYAW KO NA PAPUNTAHIN JAN SA SIMBAHAN NINYO TAPUNAN NG FETUS AT ANG ANAK KO DI KO NA PINAPUPUNTA JAN SA SIMBAHAN BAKA GAMITIN PA SA RALLY NG MGA TERRORISTANG CBCP BISHOP MGA TERORISTA KAYO MAG BAYAD KAYO NG BUWIS SA GOBYERNO”

      • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

        Intindihin mo nga yong mga post mo? yon ba ang tinuro sa simbahan mo?Parang sira na lumang plaka balikbalik sa mga walang kakwentakwentang post. mag post ka naman ng medyo may laman? Balikan mo nga yong mga post at intindahin, parang nasa elementary pa, sa totoo mas interested pang pakinggan ang mga salita ng anak ko na nasa grade 2 kay sa sayo?

      • boypalaban

        MAGKAMAY KA NA LANG O TSUPAIN MO SARILI MONG KARGADANG KASING LIIT NG PALITO BOBO!

      • luzviminda88

        BWA HA HA HA . . SIGE MGA GUNGGONG  KONG ALIPORES. .BANATAN ANG MGA KATOLIKO. MAY PREMYO BAWAT ISA SA INYO PAGNANALO TAYO NA MAIPASA ANG RH BILL. GULUHIN ANG PILIPINAS NG MAKALAYA ANG AMO NIYONG SI PANDAK. KAWAWA NA KASI SIYA WALANG TAGAPAGTANGGOL NG MAALIS SI CORONA. KAYA TIRA MGA BATA. KUTYAHIN SILA. BWA HA HA HA

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN SAY REPRODUCTION IS MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES”’

    • boypalaban

       MORE FUN TSUMUPA KA NG MGA BATA…BOBO!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    UNITED NATIONS SAY R.H BILL NEED PILIPINO PEOPLE IN UNWANTED BABYS” CBCP BISHOPS EXTREMIST TALIBAN TERORIST IN THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES MONSINYOR STOP TERRORISIM IN THE PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES”’

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U62PHGMKO4RK7BLMC4ACA4EG5A EREC

    RH Bill is the way to extent the hands of government to our lessfortunate couples and financially incapable women to seek pre-natal and post-natal medication orientation, treatment, medicine,  through out the country. Im againts abortion! Situation of Life or Death of a mother, abortion WILL BE ACCEPTED only that there is judicial and doctor manifistation. 

    I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ROMAN-CATHOLIC STAND FOR RH-BILL….. even small Chapel or Church building Vatican cannot finance! Despite Im a catholic…I did not stand & support for their logic.

    I look Roman-Catholic church as institution that must help their followers but the situation was been reverted….the followers had been helping the church…..now its time the followers to demand!

    • 7_mgawalanghiyakayo

      Pasensya Erec, ito ang pinakaunang dahilan kung bakit d ako pabor sa RH bill dahil ang mga kailangan ng mamayan na layunin sa RH bill ay nasa DOH program na.Ang mga binanggit mo ay nasa kabaranggayan na. Kaya para sa akin ang RH biil na yan, isa sa mga layunin ay para dahilan na mapagnakawan sa mga kurakot nating gobyerno maliban lang sa matino. Kaya sayang ang planong 90 billion para dyan at sa totoo lang d condom ang sagot sa pagtaas ng population, at d rin ang pagtaas ng population ang kinatakutan ng atin gobyerno kundi ang paglaganap sa sakit na HIV nay may mga kawawang asa nagkaroon ng sakit na yan dahil sa malikot si Mr. at sa katunayan din para may maprotiktahan ang mga gobyerno natin na magkaroon ng sakit na HIV dahil sa totoo at alam ng karamihan yan na napakaraming nagbinta ng laman loob na napkaganda at sosyal tingnan kung tinawag ni gov. na VIP scort at di siya sigurado na wala bang sakit yan kaya kailangan nya ng condom palagi sa bulsa at kung mahuli ni misis ay ok lang.

    • luzviminda88

      BWA HA HA HA . . SIGE MGA GUNGGONG  KONG ALIPORES. .BANATAN ANG MGA KATOLIKO. MAY PREMYO BAWAT ISA SA INYO PAGNANALO TAYO NA MAIPASA ANG RH BILL. GULUHIN ANG PILIPINAS NG MAKALAYA ANG AMO NIYONG SI PANDAK. KAWAWA NA KASI SIYA WALANG TAGAPAGTANGGOL NG MAALIS SI CORONA. KAYA TIRA MGA BATA. KUTYAHIN SILA. BWA HA HA HA

    • txtman

      TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO
       
                                                                      PRES. OBAMA

  • alienpatriot

    Let’s see how far their generosity extends. Whatever the case, there can be no doubt that this is a sensible as well as a good development. The RH bill is in the interests of ordinary Pinoys as it provides them with the means to take control their futures and of the wealthier business classes as it provides them with wealthier consumers and thus a stronger local market for their goods and services.
    It is in the interests of everyone who wants a wealthier, better-educated country. Why does the CBCP oppose it so strongly? Simple – a Philippines where the people are educated enough to make their own decisions is not what the CBCP wants.
    Rizal was right. Father Damaso is alive and well and running the CBCP. Some things do not change.

    • txtman

      TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO

                                                          PRES. OBAMA

      PERO TOTOO KAYA NA THESE PRO-RH CARE THE POOR?

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      WELL, IF YYOU ARE A CONDOM HEAD

      IM SURE MANINIWALA KA

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      PITIFUL

      SINO YUN?

      RIZAL?

      THE KOMIKS KING WRITER SA KAPANAHONAN NIYA?

      SUS, YAN KASI ANG HIRAP SA MGA PRO-RH

      MADALING MADALING MANIWALA SA KOMIKS

      SABAGAY

      NADYAN ANG XEREX & TIKTIK

      KAYA HAYAN

      PURO CONDOMS ANG LAMAN NG MGA BRAINS

      PITIFUL

      • alienpatriot

        LETS ALL WRITE IN CAPITALS AND JUST INSULT PEOPLE.
        No, txtman, try to deal with the issue instead.
        It is very clear that you are unable to win your argument on logic so you resort to calling me names.
        You are angry that I invoked the name of Rizal. Sometimes the truth hurts. If Rizal was alive today, the CBCP would not be popular with him. Live with it.

  • mangtom

    poltergeist_fuhrerCollapsecorrect…taxes natin, ipapambili ng condom sa mga manyak na tao…Sagut: Kayong anti-RH lang ba ang nagbabayad ng tax? Kung gusto naming gastosin ang tax namin pambili ng condom para sa hindi nakakaafford, anong pakialam ninyo? Pakialaman mo yong tax mo, huwag yong akin. Hindi ko naman pinakikialaman yong tax mo. Live and let live. Don’t be a fuhrer-dictator ko. Kung saan ko gustong gastusin ang tax ko, it is my own business and not yours. Don’t stick your nose in my affairs. Get this in your head, you gunggong. Sabihin mo rin kay hercubulus, txtman at yong mga kasama mong alamero. Get off our taxes. Gets mo?

    • txtman

      TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO
         
                                                               PRES. OBAMA

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C6JNBSASOMJPKK63TBJUYCVWXQ Emman

       SA KANG KATOLIBAN…………..KATOLIKONG SARADO ANG ISIPAN AT PINAPAALIPIN ANG BAYAN SA MGA DAMASO

      • boypalaban

         HOY DAMASO CELDRAN…NAGBAYAD KA NA BA SA MGA TSINUPA MO KAGABI?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN” UNITED NATIONS SAY R.H BILL FAMILY PLANING NEED THE PILIPINO PEOPLE IN UNWANTED BABYS MONSINYOR STOP TERRORISM IN THE PILIPINO NATION” GOD SAKE FOR GIVE THIS BISHOPS TAPUNAN NA NG FETUS ANG SIMBAHAN”’

    • txtman

      TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

      TO HELP THE POOR

                                                        PRES. OBAMA

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

        Cite the exact speech where Obama said that exact line, or you’re a liar, and I get to start making up quotes you ‘said’ as well.

    • boypalaban

       DAPAT GAYA MO ANG ITINATAPON BOBO KA E…BOPLOKS!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN STOP TERRORISM IN PHILIPPINES GO BACK TO VATICAN MONSINYOR PLS STOP TERRORISM IN THE PILIPINO NATION WE WANT FAMILY PLANING PASS R.H BILL

    • txtman

      TAX THE RICH MORE

      LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

      TO HELP THE POOR

      ANYWAY SABI NAMAN NG MGA PRO-RH THEY WILL HELP THE POOR

      PERO TOTOO KAYA?

      OR THEY JUST WANT THE MULTIMILLION CONDOMS PAYOLA?

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      TAX THESE RICH PRO RH PEOPLE

      KUNG KAYA NILANG GAWIN YAN SA TOBACO & ALCOHOL INDUSTRIES NA
            MADAMING MGA MAHIHIRAP ANG APEKTADO

      WHY NOT THEY CAN DO THAT TO THESE RICH PRO-RH

      TO HELP THE POOR

      LETS DO IT

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C6JNBSASOMJPKK63TBJUYCVWXQ Emman

       lets call them KATOLIBAN………… KATOLIBAN…………..KATOLIKONG SARADO ANG ISIPAN AT PINAPAALIPIN ANG BAYAN SA MGA DAMASO

      • boypalaban

         IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGANDANG HALIMBAWA NG DISIPULO NG MGA ENGOT NA PULITIKO….
        MUSTA NA DAMASO CELDRAN?

  • txtman

    PRES. OBAMA SAID

    TAX THE RICH MORE LIKE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE

    TO HELP THE POOR

    TOTAL SABI NAMAN NG MGA PRO-RH THEY WILL HELP THE POOR

    PERO TOTOO KAYA YAN?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    THEN SHOW IT

    LET DO IT

    TAX THESE RICH PRO-RH PEOPLE

    TO HELP THE POOR

    PRES. OBAMA SAID THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/C6JNBSASOMJPKK63TBJUYCVWXQ Emman

      ISA KANG KATOLIBAN…………..KATOLIKONG SARADO ANG ISIPAN AT PINAPAALIPIN ANG BAYAN SA MGA DAMASO

      • boypalaban

         MUSTA ANG MAIIINIT NA GABI NIYO NI LAGMAN KUPAL?

    • angtangamo

       Obama is in the US ogag. Pinas ang pinaguusapan dito. Boplaks ang pootah.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VS5EYSP4FPOTVQCJZ24NRE6Z2M Edgardo Mendoza

    HOY TXTMAN MAG TINDA KA NLNG NG MAMI PINAGAMIT KA NA NAMAN NI MONSINYOR OSCAR CRUZ NG DROGA SABOG KA NA NAMAN” ILAN BESES KO BANG SASABIHIN SAYO KAILANGAN NG PILIPINO ANG FAMILY PLANING PROGRAM KAYA KAILANGAN NG FULL MEDICAL CARE  R.H BILL MEDICAL SCIENCE IS REAL CBCP BISHOPS TALIBAN TERRORISIM IN THE PILIPINO NATION” GO BACK TO VATICAN STOP TERRORISM IN MY HOME LAND FITIFUL””

    • mhertz

      pag nagsalita ka para kalang suicidal bomber..pang terrorista ang dating..lol

    • tamumd

      Hahahahahahaha Edgardo….tinapatan mo si Txtman! Pati all caps..saka..”pitiful” lol

    • boypalaban

       LAKI TALAGA NG GALIT MO SA MGA OBISPO…
      BITIN KA BA NUNG MAY TSINUPA KA SA KANILA?

  • $20722540

    who cares if big business supports this bill.  si cayetano ang dami mong drama…naman naman!!!

  • mhertz

    actually TAMUMD spells IUD, what you are sayin’ is such a no brainer. For your info also, im now in a country where basic health services is free and not reproductive health. No matter how much money will the government waste for contraception. The Philippines will remain poor because of lack of discipline and others are irresponsible. Imagine as simple as proper waste disposal cannot be carried out. Corruption minds, even FAMILIES will be jeopardize for as sex as easy as over the counter. If this Philippine government is sincere enough, they would prioritize basic health services and not arousal/reproductive health service. If people responsible enough they could have Natural family planning it is free and side effect free. Why buy contraceptions, for easy and convenience at the expense of the taxpayers. I thought Philippine government  has no money? Then why would they spend unnecessary for  contraception? And why would this businesses support it? Because both of them will earn from it? And maybe you have the commission too? I suppose.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

      I’ve been drinking, and even I can tell that TAMUMD doesn’t spell IUD.

      I don’t know what country you’re living in, but I hope it’s somewhere where they don’t use letters, so you at least have an excuse for that.

      • tamumd

        I know right! lol You have to have a worst case of strabismus or maybe illusion to turn my screen name to IUD.

      • mhertz

        hahah..that is a trick, actually in my own dialect in the Philippines. TAMUMD it means IUD..hahah..

      • tamumd

        Now you’re lying coz you said earlier “the spelling”. Now you’re saying that’s the meaning in your dialect. Spelling and meaning are two different things if you already don’t know that!

        I am curious to know what province you’re from coz you have such an advanced dialect…..you have a specific word for a technical device that only showed up in the Philippines in the 70s. lol

      • mhertz

        actually im not lying. it  is a wrong use of word.

      • tamumd

        Dude you’re sounding like Tito Sotto…just say I lied. That’ll be the end of that story. You don’t even have to say sorry.
        The more you make alibis and excuses..the more you bury your head in the sand. Eventually you’ll be cornered and will be caught. Your attempts to salvage your reputation are futile! lol

      • mhertz

        hahaha…you are expecting an apology simply because you have high regards of yourself. in your own dreams..deal with your own opinion i have nothing to do with it.tnks

      • tamumd

        Not only you’re a liar. You also cannot comprehend. Didn’t I say “you don’t even have to apologize”? But you have to acknowledge that you lied coz it’s very obvious. First you make an excuse it’s the spelling then you changed your tune when caught to meaning in your very advanced dialect. really? lol

    • tamumd

      My screen name spells like IUD? Where did you learn how to spell? Geez..maybe you’re good at scrabble but you’re still missing an I. lol

      You’re in a country with free basic health care and no reproductive health….like the middle east? Well those countries are rich and they don’t have population issues like we do and that’s the very reason why they allow you to work there. They need help.

      I am not disagreeing with the fact that our people have no discipline. That is apparent from the simple proper disposal of trash to as egregious as corruption both in private sector and in the government. Somehow if the catholic church with their 500 year presence in the country were effective in shaping the “morals” of our people since 85% are catholic, we won’t have this issue. In that area the church have failed miserably.

      The government is working on all those simultaneously. Philhealth is trying to enroll as many indigents as they could. The long standing shortage of doctors in far-flunged areas would finally be resolved by the end of the year according to Secretary Ona. If you check out the DOH website..you could see the outlays for modernization of 26 major regional hospitals. Purchase of basic generic medications and supplies for immunization are funded. There’s an outlay for the continuing fight for dengue, leptospirosis, malaria and TB.

      The RH bill is pushing for both NFP and artificial methods. Couples would be given a choice to which one they prefer. NO one would be forced to only use one method. You have to be realistic and come out of your “idealized” world that everyone could have discipline as far as sex is concerned. Not everyone could do that…and even if they do, NFP is not fool proof as not every woman in this world have regular 28 day cycle. Again if you don’t wanna pay income taxes coz you’re worried that part of it would be used to buy contraception…the easy way out is when your contract wherever you’re working now expires, apply to move to the Vatican. Coz they don’t have RH laws. I just hope they admit you there. lol
      Funny how you’re accusing the business men that are supporting the bill benefiting from it. Isn’t it counter intuitive that they all support an issue that would limit the population explosion…their potential customers…their bottom line? NOT unless of course all of them are drug, condom and IUD manufacturers, which I highly doubt. lol How I wish I’ll get a commission. Just like you…I don’t live there. I live in a country where we have an excellent health care both through private and public-funded insurance and reproductive health laws.

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    • mhertz

      tama, ipakalat ang terorismo, at nang sa gayun magka alaman na..lol..

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  • mangtom

    tamumb said:Somehow if the catholic church with their 500 year presence in the country were effective in shaping the “morals” of our people since 85% are catholic, we won’t have this issue. In that area the church have failed miserably.

    Sagut: Bullseye. This is the party line of the CBCP and its cohorts: txtman, hercubulus, Herb, the perv, and a bunch of others: that corruption is one of the main reasons the country is stuck in the Third World category. There is no question about that. But what have these priests been doing all these years? I know one that they have been doing: they let the transgressors do a confession and so the transgressor is “cleaned” of his sins and goes out and does the same: Result- The cycle goes on and on ad infinitum.

    This should actually answer their question why massive corruption has been the hallmark of Philippine politics.

    • mhertz

      or expect the worst if there is even nobody that is shaping the morality of its people. Just imagine a  Hitler like that is ruling the country.

      • tamumd

        We’re already one of the worst and most corrupt countries in the world. We have the highest teen pregnancy rates in our region. What else do you want?

      • mhertz

        eh saan na sinasabi mo na highest teenage pregnancy , eh si thailand may free contraceptives bakit marami pang teenage pregnancy doon..napa research tuloy ako.. in this according to Wikipedia for the year 2000-2009 

        Asia

        In the Indian
        subcontinent, premarital sex is uncommon, but early marriage sometimes means adolescent
        pregnancy. The rate of early marriage is higher in rural regions than it is in urbanized areas. Fertility rates in South Asia range from
        71 to 119 births per 1000 women aged 15–19. 30% of all Indian induced abortions are performed on women who are under
        20.

        Other parts of Asia have
        shown a trend towards increasing age at marriage for both sexes. In South Korea and Singapore, marriage before age 20 has all but
        disappeared, and, although the occurrence of sexual intercourse before marriage has
        risen, rates of adolescent childbearing are low at 4 to 8 per 1000. The rate of
        early marriage and pregnancy has decreased sharply in Indonesia and Malaysia; however, it remains high in comparison to
        the rest of Asia.[citation
        needed]

        Surveys from Thailand have found that a significant
        minority of unmarried adolescents are sexually
        active. Although premarital sex is considered normal behavior for
        males, particularly with prostitutes, it is not always regarded as such for
        females. Most Thai youth reported that their first sexual experience, whether
        within or outside of marriage, was without contraception. The adolescent
        fertility rate in Thailand is relatively high at 60 per 1000. 25% of women
        admitted to hospitals in Thailand
        for complications of induced abortion are students. The Thai government has undertaken measures to
        inform the nation’s youth about the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases and
        unplanned pregnancy.

        According to the World
        Health Organization, in several Asian countries including Bangladesh and Indonesia, a large
        proportion (26-37%) of deaths among female
        adolescents can be attributed to maternal causes.[7]

      • tamumd

        Hahahahaha you’re rambling! Whatever data you lifted from Wikipedia….don’t support your rebuttal. There’s no coherence and it’s all over the place.

        I refer you to an article published here in PDI dated May 2, 2012 titled “PH tops teenage pregnancy in SEA”. There’s also a report by Aljazeera dated June 20, 2012 titled “Rise in Teen Pregnancy rattles Philippines”

      • mhertz

        so you mean it is okay for teens to have sex as long as we provide them with contraception?

      • tamumd

        Dang dude…did you even go to college? I start to wonder if you could really comprehend. Show me in my last rejoinder I said that it’s OK for teens to have sex as long as contraception is available.

        Foremost in your own words up top..you said “to expect the worst coz nobody would be shaping the morality of our people”. I guess by that..you’re placing high importance on your church. But then I responded by saying…what morality are you talking about? It’s already ruined…as evidenced by the ever presence of crime everywhere and the fact that “we have the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the region”.

        To which you challenged my claim and presented me some garbage, nonsense data from Wikipedia. I then refered you to a recent PDI article and Aljazeera video that talks about the Philippines having the highest teen pregnancy rate in SEA. That’s it…..I didn’t make any sweeping conclusion as what you like to show.Tsk..tsk!

      • mhertz

        calm down dude, you are the one who went to college. So that is why Im just asking you. And know your thoughts. Thats it. hahah….And well I guess shaping of morality should just not leave it  to the church but to the responsible parents as well. Mind you this Church does’nt guard them 24/7 and we don’t know if they even take time to listen, learn and practice what they are thought. Or suppose to believe. sometimes faith w/o action fails.

      • tamumd

        Therefore…tell your church to quit claiming as the only source of morality for our people coz apparently it has failed miserably all this time.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to tamumd

        Still an idiotic anti Church. hahaha

    • joshua kings

       
      no, it is not that the catholic church is ineffective but it is the many filipinos who until now refuse to believe and live up her teachings that this benighted nation of more than 90 million suffer from.
      those who are corrupt are such by choice and were not made or forced by the church to be such and do so.
      if only you are honest, corruption could be resolved and minimized if not eradicated.
      don;t point your finger recklessly at the church….you are embarassing yourself.

      • vendetta07

        if the church doesn’t want to be criticized, then they shouldn’t have waded into politics. so are they the shining white knight here to rescue filipinos from ourselves? PH government has been corrupt for years and they didn’t do anything about it, even now. Tell me, what are they doing to stop corruption? NOTHING! What are they doing about unemployement, teen pregnancy, adultery, and alcoholism?

      • IanAlera

        Replying to vendetta07

        Ang layo ng sagot mo sa punto ni Josua.

      • Guest

        Ian Alera, the stupidest Catholic. (Catholics are idiots in nature anyway.)

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Ram bom alias Guest,

        ram-bobo

  • mhertz

    TAMUMD- for your info there are effective Natural family planning like Billing Method etc… If you cant afford for  contraception why don’t you just restrain yourself. Eventually you will not die just for it. It is just like resorting   to robbery when you wanted to have something which you don’t have. Or you can provide contraceptions for those who wanted it for free. Then there will be no arguements.

    • tamumd

      NFP has a dismal performance in terms of efficacy. Not only it’s cumbersome and very complicated specially to people that didn’t even set foot in school. As Iv’e said that’s only good for women with a regular cycle. Factors like infection,fever, dehydration and other metabolic issues affect this method. But again..that’s an option in the RH bill for those who exclusively want that particular method.
      Access to artificial family planning methods is NO robbery. You are comparing apples and oranges. Concerned citizens like us are willing to provide those to those fellow citizens who wants them but cannot afford them. We will not force those who don’t want them. Period! End of story.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to tamumd

        Then buy truckloads of condoms with your own money, and distribute these to people who want it.  Period.

      • Guest

         Hi idiot. Nah, how was the s3x with the babies? Hope you could satisfy them.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Ram bom alias Guest,

        ram-bobo

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Idiot ram bom alias Guest

        ram-bobo

    • alienpatriot

       I know of many people whose existence can be seen as a measure of the Billings method. It fails so often. To siuggest that people should not be give n proper education on their options illustrates the anti-RH position well. The contention seems to be that anything that does not result in death is OK. I have two comments on that matter.
      1. The lack of education DOES often result in death. Many women die in childbirth. Many miscarriages take place that could have been avoided with proper education and medical assistence.
      2. It is fairly obvious that outcomes that end in poverty and/or injury are umpleasant and should be avoided. One wonders why mherz regards anything that  doesn’t end in the morgue as a suitable outcome.

      • mhertz

        i dont know what kind of education they want to have. Since elementary Reproductive health is taught. In High school it is more espouse. Maybe real education that can make everyone productive would be a real investment for the country and can alleviate everyone from poverty. They say Magna Carta Law for women has addressed women’s welfare from pregnancy to birth.tnks.

      • alienpatriot

        I think one problem here in the Philippines is that Government tends to be scared of churches. It is rare to find people here who can show that they received a fair and complete education on the subject.
        I remember attending a seminar for future couples to be married here in Metro Manila. It was compulsory. The person giving the seminar said many methods of birth control were possible “but I am not permitted to tell you about them. This is the ‘Natural method'”. She then proceeded to outline what the Catholic church allowed. Is this education?

      • IanAlera

        Replying to alienpatriot

        Have you not given thought to the fact that people (future couples) should be responsible for themselves?  If these people would like to form/ build a family, it is their responsibility to research on and prepare for the kind of methods/ systems they might want for themselves. 

        It is childish to blame the churches for some people’s irresponsibility and lack of self-discipline.

      • alienpatriot

        I will tell the illiterate people living in a cardboard box in the next street to make better use of their internet…. or maybe they should get internet first …. and somewhere to live and proper food etc?
        I am beginning to wonder if you are in fact a supporter of the RH bill but just pretending to be an opponent so that you can show the idiocy of the RH opponents.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to alienpatriot

        You resort to childish insults whenever your nonsensical points are rebuffed. — STOP being an idiot. 

        Do not make the poor your excuse to propagate your idiotic ideology. — Health centers are available even to the poorest people, you just have to go there and inquire regarding family planning methods that might be suitable.

      • Guest

         Ian Alera, the childish Catholic Idiot. And you don;t even realize that many Catholic women, I must say, wisely and gladly, abort.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Ram bom alias Guest,

        ram-bobo

      • alienpatriot

        I did not resort to insults. txtman did. I did point out the complete craziness and ridiculous nature of your response – but pointing out the truth is not an insult. I can’t be blamed for resfusing to pretend that your response made sense. On a few occasions you have resorted to insults. You are right about the reasons why people resort to childish insults, however. It is because they have lost the argument. txtman lost the argument and did as you said.
        As you saw in what I wrote, Ian, the mere existence of health centres is not sufficient. The idiot who operated the seminar on behalf of the city of Mandaluyong would not have been of use to anybody. Poor people with little education would probably not understood why she was refusing to talk about condoms. They may have mistakenly believed that she thought they were a bad means of family planning when the truth seemed to be that she thought the opposite but was forbidden from speaking the truth.
        The health centre system here is not even close to being adequate. You just need to deal with that fact, Ian. The church that you put ahead of your own country and people must learn to listen to people, especially the poor.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to alienpatriot

        Your ramblings and rants are incoherent and nonsensical.

        Go back to your country, and attack your church there.

      • alienpatriot

        I note that you have stopped discussing the issues, IanAlera. As a Filipino migrant I actually do have a right to be here and I also have a right to express my views on how to improve this country. My opinions will not always coincide with yours. It would be better if you were prepared to treat our disagreements as opportunities to freely consider the real truth rather than limit yourself to parroting CBCP positions.
        You seem to be an educated person. I detect that you are also someone who cares for his country, Ian, but your thinking is very dependent. That is what I object to.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to alienpatriot

        I have been open to courteous discussions of the issues, but your veiled insults are unacceptable. 

        My comments are my own thoughts, it speak for itself and it is direct to point; it turns ugly only if and when  people like yourself insist on making their replies a personal attack.

        Stop your ramblings (stop digressing into topics which are neither here nor there)– Stick with the issues and everything will be fine.

        The rh bill/ law is not necessary in this country.

      • alienpatriot

        You make it personal, Ian. Once again you have written about me instead of the issues. You have strong opinions on the RH bill issue but you have never managed to put forward a strong argument against it.
        I did make some notes about you in my last comment – some positive and some negative. I thought the suggestion that you were a probably an educated person would be seen as a positive but apparently being polite to you is wasted.
        You have on several occasions been guilty of saying rather silly things (such as illiterate people consucting research). You insult yourself and yoir own intelleigence at times like that. I simply draw attention to it.

      • IanAlera

        alienpatriot

        Oh shut up and stop your nonsense. Just read this thread and you will see that you have been inserting insults into your comments. – Be true to yourself alien.

        Stay on track, do not keep wandering off from the issues. At the very least, try to show that people like you have even a bit of intellect.

      • alienpatriot

        It never ceases to amaze me how people who resort to insults themselves are the first to attack others. Let us examine why you feel insulted.
        You made the bizarre suggestion that the intended main beneficiaries of the RH bill should conduct more independent research of their own despite their obvious inability to do so. Do you really expect illiterate people with little or no English to investigate the matter by reading reports, predominantly in a language they do not really know using internet facilities that they do not have? What conclusion am I meant to draw? Did you mean it as a serious comment?
        No doubt you will feel insulted about what I said. It seems to suit you to claim insult but frankly, Ian, I just say it as it is. You may be an intelligent person (and I have read some smart comments of yours on US bases) but when the RH bill is mentioned you lose all semblance of reason.
        I will criticise the quality of your thought processes (as any reasonable person would). I may suggest that you are an asset to the pro-RH bill campaign when you make ridiculous statements. That must be annoying for you but it is true.
        The fact, Ian, is that throughout all of this I have never said “try to show that people like you have even a bit of intellect.” You are not even gallant in defeat.

      • IanAlera

        Alien,

        In many of our discussions I have kept a very civil dialogue, but you are way too idiotic now.

        Stay on track. Stick with the issues. Be honest with yourself. You and I are not the issue here, but you insist on insulting Catholics, and people whose opinion differ from you.

        You are wrong in thinking that you are making points for the rh bill when you say essentially nothing for it.

        — Are you ignorant of the fact that in Health Centers, the staff there are not required to talk to patients, clients in English? (They use the native language.)

        — Are you not aware, that poor people can just go to health centers to avail of information re: family planning methods? No need to research on the internet if you are illiterate.

        Alien you discuss things with utter ignorance — Please do not remain stupid.

      • alienpatriot

        You mentioned research. Visiting a health centre is a separate matter. That is advice. I discussed that when I talked about the behaviour of the staff members of my city within Manila who stated that they were given instructions to recommend and discuss only family planning methods approved by the church that the mayor was a member of. That was a family planning seminar conducted by health centre staff. I was denied independent advice, as were all others attending the seminar. How anyone could possibly confuse indoctrination with research is beyond me.
        You are correct in one thing. Otdinary people were given the opportunity to be indoctrinated and provided with misleading information in Filipino. It would not have assisted them in their family planning choices. In fact it would have made their ignorance worse as a lopsided view was presented.
        Why is it so awful that people be given independent and accurate advice and the means to carry it out?
        On the matter of your civil tone I note that you appparently have referred to any position other than your own as stupid, ignorant and implied a lack of intellect on their part. You have mastered the art of the civil insult. You could possibly include this mastery on your resume if it matters so much to you. Alternatively you could simply refrain from referring to me as stupid when I point in flaws in your argument. I think that might possibly be even more civil.

      • IanAlera

        alien,

        Try to widen your perspective; get away from that narrow-mindedess inducing pro-rh ideology.

        Actively trying to acquire knowledge is research. It is not limited to the internet or getting advice; research is getting information. It is everybody’s obligation to themselves if they want to know what Family Planning method they want. This information is available in Health Centers. And if you do not know, it is not exclusive to the rich. — Thank you nevertheless for acknowledging that the people you call ‘illiterates’ do not have to use the English language to get their information.

        You mentioned the seminar as that for couples who wanted to get married; it is not the same as going to a health center to inquire about, and acquire information regarding family planning methods. The seminar that you are talking about is a compulsory procedure; what they tell you there or do not tell you should not bind you to what you might want and do for yourself. (question: Did that seminar in any way prevent you from getting information about condoms and pills from other sources like Health Centers as a client/patient? Did you consult doctors and other health professionals regarding this matter? How about books and other publications? Do not pretend not to know how a condom is used.

        Read your posts and you will see that you insult other people whose opinion you do not agree with. That is not a reasonable and civil behavior. –Point out flaws in the points raised, do not insult people for making their views known.

      • alienpatriot

        The woman giving the seminar were able to inform us that they worked in a health centre – and for the same immediate boss. We were provided with documents (in Filipino) that were produced by and for use in the health care centre. Thus the biased advice contained within them was the same as that available in health centres. The research that you suggest is adequate would thus fail to be fair and unbiased as certain people prevent it from being unbiased.
        The RH bill contains provisions that prevent this happening. Thus it is necessary.
        You seem to believe that the RH bill would would have liitle effect as the existence of health centres would result in it being superfluous. I notice that you are vehemently opposed to something that you as having no effect. That hardly seems credible. Could it be that your oppsition is because the opposition is true. It would enable independent analysis – even in health centres. The only loser would be those who wished to maintain control and deny knowledge. Sorry Cardinal Tagle. You will need to justify your position now.

      • IanAlera

        Alien,

        You said in your previous post that the compulsory seminar was for those who wanted to get married. — ‘Compulsory seminars’ are not licenses for the government or any agency to impose on those seeking marriage licenses an activity, discussion or doctrine that may be contrary to their religious, ethical or moral beliefs. — Patients or clients of Health Centers on the other hand may ask for information and thus should not be denied the information. — This is the reason that information from the ‘compulsory’ seminar for those seeking marriage license may be different from the information that may be given in Health Centers — Your conjecture that the information that will be given in Health centers as biased is purely ‘conjecture’.

        The rh bill is not necessary for the health center to give out information regarding Family Planning Methods. This information is currently available on request. — If by chance you are not satisfied with the information you get from these health centers, then you are still free to get more information from other sources. This is not difficult to do if you really have the desire and the discipline to do so.

        Thank you, you seem to have made an effort to limit your discussion to relevant topic, however you still have failed to keep your nonsensical reference to Cardinal Tagle out of the discussion. Please stay on track.

      • alienpatriot

        Ian, you are right in saying that compulsory seminars are not licenses for anybody to impose their views – they should not be. The fact, however, is that imposing certain views is exactly what happens. It happens in health centres every day. Various doctors, nurses and health care workers are on record saying they will deny information to patients that do not fit their beliefs. It happens at the local doctor. It is legal.
        The Catholic church complains when the RH bill makes it illegal yet we both know very well that nobody’s views should be imposed on anyone.
        You have pointed out exactly the main issue that I have with the RH bill debate. Ordinary Pinoys are being
        – denied accurate information. Your statement that certain people are at fault for failing to research the matter makes little sense as it is often their church that it trying to prevent them conducting unbiased research.
        – confronted with a well-funded campaign that puts the power of the church ahead of the common people.
        You constatly ask me to stay on track yet it seems that this often means that I do not discuss matters that are uncomfortable for you. That the church is using money from poor parishioners to fight a campaign that is against their wishes and their interests is relevant. I can omit the name of any church leader if you wish but it hardly seems important.
        On the issue of choice one significant factor needs to considered. It is the children. The children are the real victims. You state that adults are responsible for their own bad decisions. My position is that they are not really given an opportunity to make a proper choice. What you can’t deny is that children should not be forced to suffer as a result of the bad decisions. Give their parents a better chance to decide. Let them make an informed decision for the sake of their chidren at least.

      • Guest

         Ian Alera, the biggest Catholic idiot!

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Ram bom alias Guest,

        ram-bobo

      • Guest

        Then why are you supporting CCT then? That is simply promoting welfare mentality, the bigger scourge in this country than corruption.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Idiot ram bom alias Guest

        CCT has conditons attached to it, for example, children have to go to school, taken to health centers, etc. — the CCT helps children;

        The rh bill was initially supposed to give out billions of pesos worth of condoms and pills and equipment that can promote abortion, so that adults/ irresponsible adults can copulate as much as they want- to the detriment of the general population from which the funds will be taken.

        If you want condoms and pill- BUMILI KA NG SARILI MO, GAMIT SARILI MONG PERA

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     “…Now that we have a proposed law that may give a chance to empower the poor, particularly the women,…”

    asa pa…

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  • Guest

    If Aboitiz would simply charge less for his electricity (appr. 25% overcharged), he would do a lot to help the people.

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