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Occult, pagan practices ruin faith in God, says exorcist

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DEVIL’S POWER. Catholic priest Francisco Syquia answers questions about exorcism in his office at San Carlos Seminary in Guadalupe, Makati City. EDWIN BACASMAS

A celebrity hoards pink quartz jewelry, believing these will bring her the real love of her life.

A businessman who wants more profit puts a giant Sto. Niño statue side by side with a waving golden cat in prominent part of his store, while the head of one family consults a fortune-teller to determine an “auspicious” date to move to another house.

Filipinos who wonder why their lives remain miserable despite their religiosity should check if they still adhere to pagan things or practices, like fortune-telling and amulets, or consulting practitioners of occult arts.

Fr. Jose Francisco Syquia, director of the Archdiocese of Manila Office of Exorcism, said these occult practices contaminated people’s faith in God.

In his newly released book, “Catholic Handbook of Deliverance Prayers,” Syquia warned that the devil was behind these rituals.

The Bible holds a treasure trove of stories of pagan rituals hindering people from receiving God’s grace.

Recall how furious Moses was when he, coming down from Mt. Sinai carrying the two tablets on which God had written His Ten Commandments, saw his people, the Israelites, worshipping a golden calf.

“Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals.” That is at the top of God’s commandments, and the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf perished and their descendants were condemned to roam the desert until they were consumed after 40 years.

Filipinos may not be worshipping pagan idols, but many of them still subscribe to practices that involve invoking the power of inanimate objects or even evil spirits.

“How many Filipinos use [amulets]?  You would be surprised. How many go to fortune-tellers? How many continue to practice pagan worship like [spilling chicken blood on the lot] before constructing a house or cutting down an old tree,” Syquia said.

“How many Catholic businesses have beside the statue of the Sto. Niño a statue of Buddha, a dragon or some other pagan god? And the statue of the child Jesus is not there for devotion but for good luck,” he said.

In spite of advancements in civilization, even in the Philippines, “[t]he sad truth is that even after 400 years of our Catholic faith, paganism, which should have been purified, continues to exist and influence Catholics,” Syquia said.

Pagan practices

In an earlier book, “Exorcism: Encounters with the Paranormal and the Occult,” Syquia traced pagan practices that have survived to this day to pre-Hispanic natives who worshipped idols and nature spirits.

Even after the arrival of the Spaniards, baptized natives still carried with them inanimate objects that were meant to protect them from harm.

Carried over from that period is the habit of treating Catholic sacramentals like religious medals and scapulars as charms, like rabbit’s foot, believed to bring luck.

Syquia recalled an observation made in the Second Plenary Council of the Philippines that “we are a country that is sacramentalized but not evangelized.”

Syquia said the Old Testament clearly indicated that “Yahweh distanced himself from these baals or false gods and was very strict with the Israelites because they were so easily allured and contaminated by them.”

He added that it was specifically due to the Israelites’ attachment to pagan rituals that they suffered slavery under foreign powers.

Blocking God’s grace

Today, the same adherence to non-Catholic rituals and practices is keeping many from receiving the grace of God.

“Most Catholics are unaware of the effects of these pagan beliefs and practices. The sad thing is that when our personal lives as well as our society as a whole fall into all kinds of difficulties, miseries, tragedies and immoralities, we would even tend to blame God for our lot,” Syquia wrote.

“When paganism and the occult contaminate the faith, the relationship with God is blocked and we can end up saying to ourselves that God is not interested in us, personally and as a nation [not knowing that] His blessings and protection… would not be able to fully enter into our lives,” he explained.

“We are not aware that the infinite love, all the blessings, and the protection of God are blocked because we are loving Him with a very divided and polluted heart,” he said.

Practitioners

There are practitioners of pagan dark arts that are unique to the Philippines, and Syquia listed them as follows:

Albularyo: Faith healer or traditional folk healer.

Mangtatawas: An “occult practitioner” who drips molten candle wax into a basin of water and interprets the resulting form as the cause of an illness.

Manghihilot: A masseuse who use incantations to invoke the assistance of spirits to heal or relax a patient.

Mananambal: An “occultist” who uses sorcery to treat natural and “supernatural” maladies.

Manghuhula: An “occult practitioner” who specializes in fortune-telling through card-reading or palmistry.

Mangkukulam: A witch who casts spells, uses potions and dolls to cause ailments in  victims. The remedy is bribing the witch to call off the curse or finding a more powerful witch to counter the spell. But this causes the victim’s deeper involvement in the occult, as he resorts to more of it to break the spell.

Mambabarang: A sorcerer, in Cebuano, who specializes in the use of fungus beetles and other insects to cast spells on a victim.

Syquia likened resorting to occult practices to telling God that “His power and providence [are] not enough, hence we seek out other sources of power.”

Many are well-intentioned

There are, however, many practitioners of the occult who are not aware that their practice has evil roots, Syquia said.

“[M]any of those who continue to seek assistance and are guided by paganism/occultism as well as the many occult practitioners themselves are well-intentioned people.  They have been blinded by Satan, the great deceiver who will always try to come as an angel of light, so that our faith will remain stunted and God’s blessings blocked,” he said.

“Those trapped by the deceptions of the devil need to be awakened to the fact that they have fallen into the trap of a master deceiver,” Syquia said.

“They must be made aware that once they have opened their eyes, purified their Catholic faith and lived it out in all its purity, then and only then would they receive the fullness of the blessings, graces and protection that a child of God and a brother of Christ deserves.”

Not only is faith hindered by pagan activities, but adherence to pagan beliefs and practices affects other aspects of people’s lives.

Syquia, referring to a discussion of “split-level Christianity” by Fr. Jaime Bulatao, S.J., said: “We all know people who go regularly to Mass on Sundays and even receive Holy Communion, and yet when they go back to work, they continue to cheat, be dishonest, and steal, and this is without any qualms of conscience.”

There are also those who treat their relationship with God like a business transaction, thinking that time spent on worship is an investment that must produce a return.

“This is how our ancestors related with the anito [idols] and has been carried over even to the present with our relationship with God,” Syquia said.

 

New Age

And there are also those who go with the New Age Movement without knowing that it is what Pope John Paul II described as a “return to ancient Gnostic ideas.”

The Gnostics were early Christian sectarians who claimed only they had the real gnosis—knowledge—to return to God. Gnosticism was considered a “heresy in the early Church,” Syquia said.

New Age beliefs include astral projection, astrology, feng shui (geomancy), channeling, automatic writing, amulets, pranic healing, crystal healing, spellcraft, spiritism, tarot fortune-telling, wicca and séances.

Devil’s power

Belief in paganistic and occult practices explains “why the devil has so much power in our society so much so that many Filipinos become victims of extraordinary demonic attacks of obsession, oppression and even possession,” Syquia said.

“This is also the reason we have many so-called haunted places, whether they be trees, rocks, rivers, mountains, forests, roads, schools, offices, condominiums, hospitals or individual houses,” Syquia said.

“Paganism is for us as it has been throughout history—the doorway [through which] the world of spirits (fallen angels) is able to enter more tangibly into our world,” he said.

Purifying the faith and working for a deeper understanding of God’s love would eventually lead a believer to His grace, Syquia said.

“God infinitely desires to bless us not only with divine peace, joy and the abundance of His graces but even [provide] for all our temporal needs, for our God is a generous God,” he said.

“If we but rely and trust in God alone by removing from our lives all [things] that are not of God, we would be surprised [to find] how infinitely loving our Father is,” he added.


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  • Leonardo Vega

    “Do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals.” That is at the top of God’s commandments, and the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf perished and their descendants were condemned to roam the desert until they were consumed after 40 years.
    Very clear “No Idols” yet the Catholic church bow down to Idols..

    • just_anotherperson

      Okey lang ang mag-bow at mag-alay ng bulaklak sa estatwa ni Rizal at mga bayani ng bayan pero hindi sa bayani ng Diyos?  Pag pupunta sa opisina ni Mayor, dapat maayos ang pananamit, pero sa pagsamba sa Diyos, pwede na ang shorts at tsinelas.

      Bahala ka kung ayaw mong maniwala sa communion of saints, pero huwag naman tayong sobrang mag-malinis.  Huwag mong sabihin na mas matalino ka sa mga Katoliko at ikaw lang ang tama.

      • GKLer

        Catholics have a tendency to bow down to anything made of wood.
        Start praising God!!!  and not people and things of wood.

      • frescoedechoes

        You are obviously a non-catholic because you don’t know the difference between praying for intercession and worship.  Praise and worship we only reserve for God.  We ask for the intercession through prayer from our saints.  We use images carved in wood or made of stone as a visual representation – statues that help us picture the saints in our mind as we pray for their intercession.  So there is no idolatry being committed.  I hope that’s clear.

      • $23228448

        yes clear as mud…an idol is an idol is an idol…is that clear

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        123dudley: Stop criticizing something you do not understand. Another ignoramus, that’s what you are.

      • jin2012

        If God Himself was before you and a wooden statue was beside Him, would you bow before God or the wooden statue?

        God said:

        Isaiah 42:8My name is Yahweh [the LORD], I will not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.

      • ApoNiLolo

        “Praying for intercession” is a Roman culture similar to “padreno system” interpolated by the Roman Catholic Church to its belief.

      • stevewhiteraven

        i think its defining ..what is idolatry . maybee like me i pray to my gods but have a statues and candles etc on an alter ,I am not praying to the statues and do not beleive the statue is my goddess .it is reprisentation it helps to get the frame of mind correct . i think maybee the statue of mary is the same ..of course if you pray to the statue of mary then it would be an idol .
        of course a chutch would have statues of christ as its a reminder of the basis of the catholic faith ..the sacrifice and the reserection .. i assume thats so anyway .

  • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

    No matter what the Catholic hierarchy says, Catholics and the Church practice pagan rites. The Catholic Church is a syncretized religion that only leads to abomination.

    • just_anotherperson

      The very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the apostles and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded, and if anyone departs from this, he neither is, nor any longer ought to be called, a Christian. – St. Athanasius of Alexandria (b. ca. 296-298 – d. 2 May 373)

      • Touch_Me_, Nuts!

        Explain this utterance in your own words and let’s see if I can understand you. And under what circumstance these words that you’re ramming on my throat were uttered? Are you sure you know what you’re talking about? Common, let’s give it a try.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NLO2AAP3EKVA2H3FI2AM2KTGAA Jay

    Ang tao ay mayroon Free Will..sila ang gumagawa ng kagustuhan nila.kaya father Hindi ang Devil ang may kagagawan nito.

    • just_anotherperson

      The de vil and the other dem ons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing. — Lateran Council IV

  • tonyoks

    the whole of catholic religion from a to z is a poor copy of the original pagan rituals.

    • just_anotherperson

      Ang atheist di naniniwala sa Diyos, nga angel at dimonyo pero paniwala sa feng shui.

  • geminimind

    Some Catholics and Christians alike in Haiti also believes in Voodo and some if not many made themselves practitioners ,but after the devastating earth quake that killed over half a million, they all went back to Christianity.”Choose this day whom you will serve”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MHUSLQVO4TUKTTWUJIC7GVHH7U ian

    the demons’ visit in your life will give you the proof of his presence, i hope it will not

  • blainz

    Fr. Syquia, there’s a “manghihipo manghihilot ng mga bata” that you should be executing exorcising right now. Just follow the trail of an ivory Sto. Niño.

    • just_anotherperson

      Heto na naman ang mga naninira.

      • blainz

        If you’re accussing me of being a destroyer of hypocrisy, I gladly plead guilty.

        Now think hard if child molestation is something to be condoned or tolerated. It could just be, you know, a sin; something your God might disapprove of.

      • bakitkailangan

        Easy to proclaim what is right or wrong, but hard to fathom when you do it your own.

      • blainz

        Molesting children is wrong.

        If you’re still trying to fathom this because you did it on your own, then you’re a far better exorcism candidate for Fr. Syquia than any “dark arts” practitioners in his list.

        But if I were Fr. Syquia, I’d opt for a less spiritual method to dispel that kind of evil: JAIL.

      • frescoedechoes

        long before the Monsignor’s case was publicized, he was already stripped of his duties as a priest since he is under thorough investigation from the Vatican… that fact was CONVENIENTLY left out by the National Geographic article in order to sensationalize the case

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        @FRESCOEDECHOES: I agree with you. Anti-Catholics just ride on to the issue without even honestly investigating what the Church has rightly done to address that sorry episode.  To generalize the whole Church and throw mud at it, is just unfair. It is their own opinion, anyway. I think it is just a waste of time to explain to these people. They already have prejudged Catholics no matter what we say. It is just a waste of time to try to explain to these narrow-minded people. We do not condone the sin but to generalize the Catholic Church is simply ridiculous.

  • ardong

    Catholics bow down to idols santa maria, san pedro, san juan, san lukas, sandamukal na santo which are obviously not aproved by our God in the Bible. That’s why this country is accursed by the Living God.
    Our God is a spirit and He must be worshiped in Spirit and in Truth.

    • frescoedechoes

      “While it is true that icons are venerated by us because through them we are able to tangibly express our faith in God and our devotion to the saints, in no way does the Church teach that these icons are in fact God Himself or the saints themselves.” –  Cebu Archbishop  Jose Palma 

      • ardong

        Sorry, the Bible says explicitly, JChrist is the Only Way, the Truth and the Life, there’s no other idols made of woods and/or stone that should be worships – not even His own mother! Some devout Catholics knelt down, even kissed and wiped out with their handkerchief these venerated idols. Even devotion to saints is not Biblical. Arch Palma rightly wronged Scripture’s interpretation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HXQRIRSXOIIEFIKT3LAWWU7CPA slamTux

    Catholics and Protestants alike bow to images. Do you have photos of your loved ones at home? dont you carress them sometimes? do you have a bible? do you not hold it close to your heart and kiss it in deep devotion? do you salute and show respect to government officials? that’s bowing too. But this bowing is not worship although one can’t discount the possibility of the latter in the less informed.

    The best example of religion who have no images are the Amish. So unless you are one of them, you’d be like a Chistian who throw rocks at other Christians when you yourself live in a glass house every time you denounce others for “bowing” to images.

  • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

    just_anotherperson: I think hindi ito paninira.  It is a fact as this particular ?person has been investigated and removed from his previous office due to child abuse…need we say more?

  • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

    Worshipping idols=paganism
    praying to idols=Catholics
    Catholics=pagans
    God destroyed those who worshipped idols=God will destroy Catholics
    And he did that during the time of Moses when he gave the 10 Commandments according to Catholic Bible.

  • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

    ….

  • just_anotherperson

    Basahin po ninyo ang “Blessed Bartolo Longo: The Ex-Sat anist On the Path to Sainthood”

    Malalaman ninyo ang dangers ng occultism at atheism.

    • EMenina

      LOL path to sainthood???SO he basically substituted devil worship with God worship and now hes a saint????Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      Dangers of atheism? Atheism does not involve the occult and is not some Satanic religion dumbarse. Get your head out of your behind

      • bakitkailangan

         ”Get your head out of your behind”, you mean “get your head off your behind”.
        Kung puwede lang sa susunod, gumamit na lang tayo ng sarili nating wika, dahil daig mo pa ang mabahong isda! paingles ingles ka pa! pulpol ka naman pala!

    • ever green

      Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested – Sir Francis Bacon……

      huwag maniwala sa lahat ng nababasang libro…..

      • bakitkailangan

        Diyan ka nagkamali “everglue” hindi si Frances Bacon kung hindi si “oscar Meyer”.

      • ever green

        Oh I think I’m right about bacon. Kasama sa English class namin noon 3rd year high school….. seach mo na rin sa internet…..

  • regd

    Lots of people have their own idols in some form or another, they just call them with different names. Anything you put between you and God is idolatry.

  • browndarwinian

    ‘It’s a claim to a truth that no primate can claim to make. Primates who claim to know it should be distrusted. Great damage has been done and continues to be done by such people and by such ideas. You’re better off thinking for yourself and taking all the risks, and all the pleasures that will come from that. The most overrated of virtues is faith (belief in something on Zero evidence). The metaphysical claims of religion are untrue.’

    ❝A virgin can conceive. A dead body can walk again. Your leprosy can be cured. The blind can see. Nonsense. It’s not moral to lie to children. It’s not moral to lie to ignorant, uneducated people and tell them that if they only would believe nonsense, they can be saved. It’s immoral.❞

    -hitch

    • GKLer

      Evolution 101:  
      Single atom iron based life forms evolved into my Toyota’s 25,000 parts, all on their own after zillions of years.

      Darwin failed in science 101:  observation.
      He compared his dogs to his children and his wife to an ape.  Somehow he believed in God.

      The Human Genome project took 13 years with super computers to map the complexity of human DNA and 25,000 genes and 3 billion chemical base pairs.  All this complexity, the evolutionists claim is all an accident.  That’s definitely like saying my Toyota that rolled off the assembly line was an accident and somehow it worked.

      Hitchens = lies.

    • bakitkailangan

      Who are we to say that brown is brown and white is white? who am I to pen “DARWINIAN” as my name? what is the logic behind man’s reasoning and doubting? Aren’t we all human being, the most intelligent form of mammal or should I say primate in the whole world? why then do we have rules to follow if we are all intelligent primates? Why do we follow or obey our parents? aren’t they the same as we? why do we have to go to school? why do we need money? Why don’t we just go on top of the highest building in Makati and jump off the roof and enjoy the pleasure that will come from flying?

      You might learn too if you know who you are and why you are here. Believing is seeing my friend.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CBBPG4SGSURB5V5A5BBQX4HF2Y Peter

    Mind your own business, and stop invoking the name of God as if you have a direct access or a cellphone number from God. I/We are free to worship ANY God, this is my right or God given right. He created us with brains to seek our own free will, or even defy him. What I do with my religious beliefs is between me and my God, not yours.

    • Ph3n0M47

      Best comment on this whole message board.  Some people love to judge and instigate. Like you said – mind your own business and live your own life..nothing anyone else does effects anything in your house. SMH

    • frescoedechoes

      You cannot tell a priest to mind his own business and stop spreading God’s word for the simple reason that this is what he was called to do. If you don’t want to listen, then fine go about your merry ways.  Wala naman siyang pinipilit.  Ikaw na nga may sabi na may free will ka.  But to reprimand a priest for doing his job is ridiculous.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

    Roman Catholicism is a compilation of pagan religion..What do you expect? Christ birth being celebrated in Dec 25 (Saturnalia), belief in virgin birth (Sumerian belief)  as well a devotion to Virgin Mary came from ancient pagan belief (like Mother Goddess of older religion) The way the mass is being held is a pagan ritual with all the facets of ancient pagan religion, a high priest with all the trappings, just look at the mass by the Pope in Rome..all the glitters and the head gear (the fish god in ancient religion) and many others symbology of paganism..It was created by Paul/Peter, who did not even met Christ when he is alive instead of the way Jesus did with his ministry, and James his brother who followed him.. What Paul/Peter did is politics at its best

    • bakitkailangan

       Wilder ka ngang talaga, anak ka talaga ni John Wilder! magisip ka nga muna bago ka magpa “wildy wildy”. Sino ba ang nagsabi na ang “seven up” ay “uncola” at ang Pepsi Cola ay “cola”? Pagnasagot mo yan, ipagagawa kita ng rebulto na may nakalagay na “made in China”.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

        ano bang sinasabi mo…me softdrinks ka pang nalalaman.ano bang tanong mo..ikaw ata di nakakaintindi at magulo ang utak ayon sa sagot mo sa post ko . anong imposible na sumunod sa paganong paniniwala ang mga Pilipino..kung ang mismong relihiyong Katoliko ginaya sa paganong relihiyon…

  • EMenina

    Complains that poverty and disaster are caused by non-Catholic religions and occult practices yet wants to make a religion that shelters paedophiles and launders money a state religion and the ultimate authority in the land

    • bakitkailangan

       Emenima! hindi ko malaman kung ikaw si “M&M na may ENIMA” dahil ang laki ng sayad ng ulo mo! Sanggol ka pa ba? ang babaw ng pagiisip mo!

  • EMenina

    Since every non-Catholic religion such as Buddhism,Taoism and Judaism are allpagan and worship idols so all non-Catholics will be in hell

    Good to know that 3/4s of the population will be in one place together while heaven will be populated by bigot pedophile priests and their non-thinking members

  • GKLer

    Pagan and non-biblical practices of the Roman Catholic Church, their priests:

    MURDER of 50-100 million people ruin faith in God!!!

    1.  Statues and images in the churches  leading to idolatry
    2.  Forbidding people to marry (304 AD).
    3.  Worship of relics (337 AD).
    4. Changed Sabbath from a Saturday to a Sunday (364 AD)
    5.  Rosary (366 AD)
    6.  Mary worship (850AD)
    7.  600 years of forbidding the bible, bible burning, burning of people with bibles (1299 AD – 1800AD)
    8.  !!! Murder of 50-100 million people !!!.
    9. Abstaining of certain foods  (1300s AD)
    10.  Infant baptism (1311 AD)
    11.  Tradition and Canon Law first before the God’s Laws found in the Bible (1563 AD)
    12. Lots of festivals and holidays that are non-biblical. ie. Feast of ….
    13. Worship of saints, angels, Mary in the form of images, statues.
    14.  Pedophilia
    15.  Involvement with Caesar’s affairs.
    16.  False teachings and doctrines that do not agree with the bible, such as Peter’s primacy as Pope, such as the Trinity Doctrine – The central doctrine of the Catholic Church.
    17. [ADD other sins against God and man here]

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6YY66XPT63YFGHDKYTMIO4CM Daniel

       ”Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plaques;” (Rev. 18:4 NIV)

      Overtime, Catholics realize their errors, hence the so-called “purification” is slowly sweeping in their ranks.

      • bakitkailangan

         Gkler at Daniel, bagay kayong adviser ni GMA at Imelda Marcos!

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        @Daniel: Where did you get your Bible nga pla? From the Catholic Church that you accused of being pagan. How come you read the Bible? It was not until the authoritative voice of the Catholic Church that the canon of Bible was made. You are the one hypocrite, Daniel.

      • jin2012

        The Bible did come from the safeguarding of the Jewish people  From Moses (Genesis) to to John (Revelation) – all of them were Jewish, definitely not Catholics. The word Catholic comes from the Latin word “catholicus” which means “universal” and orignated in the 14th century. Interestingly enough the word veneration comes from the Latin word “veneratus” which means “to worship” and originated in the 15th century.

        The official language of the Roman Catholic Church is Latin for a very long time because that was the language of the Western Roman Empire. Later it became Greek.

        The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, not Latin.

        You must mean the Latin Vulgate Bible by Jerome (380AD) – which was the Bible for 1120++ years (now 1632 years old) – it is still in use today as ONE of the sources of the Bible. It isn’t the only source, neither is the 2000 year old Catholic Church the source of the bible.

        By OLDEST and still existing -sources- today:

        400BC Dead Sea Scrolls – Entire book of Isaiah, and portions of every other OT book except Esther.  Discovered in caves and excavations in 1947-1956.
        Greek Septuagint (LXX) – Hebrew translated into Greek
        100-400AD Chester Beatty Papyri – 9 OT book in Greek Septuagint.
        350AD Codex Sinaiticus – Entire OT in Greek Septuagint.
        350AD Codex Vaticanus – Entire OT in Greek Septuagint.
        Over 5600 fragments of Greek manuscripts of the NT…
        125AD p52 – a portion of John 18
        200AD Bodmer p66 – large portion of John.
        200AD Chester Beatty p46 – Pauline Epistles and Hebrews.
        225AD Bodmer P75 – John and Luke.
        250AD Chester Beatty p45 – portions of 4 Gospels and Acts
        350AD Codex Sinaiticus discovered in Mt. Sinai in 1856
        350AD Codex Vaticanus – almost complete NT, and in the Vatican Library since 1475AD
        300AD Old Syriac – NT from Greek into Syriac
        300AD Coptic Version – 4 Egyptian dialects
        380AD Latin Vulgate – Jerome translated in Latin OT from Hebrew, Latin NT from Greek.  This became the Bible of the Western Church until 1500AD
        400AD Geniza fragments – portions of OT in Hebrew and Aramaic discovered in 1947 in Cairo Egypt. 
        400AD Codex Bezae – Gospels and Acts in Greek and Latin
        700-950AD Masoretic Hebrew Text – Ben Asher Manuscripts – Six generations of a family that made copies of the OT using Masoretic Hebrew Text.  Such as the:
        950AD Alepo Codex – Complete OT. 1/4 of this was destroyed in 1947 anti-Jewish riots.
        1008AD Codex Leningradensis – Complete OT in Hebrew copied by the last member of the Ben-Asher family in 1008AD.. . . . . . .
        1380 AD First English translation by Wycliffe from the Latin Vulgate.  This was a translation from a translation, since Wycliffe didn’t speak Hebrew or Greek.
        1456AD Gutenberg – First printed Bible in Latin.
        1514AD Textus Receptus – Greek NT printed for first time by Erasmus.  He based his Greek NT from only 5 Greek manuscripts which date only as far back as the 12th Century.  This work including revisions became known as the Textus Receptus.  The KJV used this a source among other sources.
        1522AD Polygot Bible – OT in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin.  NT in Latin and Greek.  Erasmus used this to revise his NT later.  Tyndale used  this to translate the OT into English.
        1611AD KJV – English translation and used Textus Receptus as -one- of the sources.  It also used Masoretic Text, Latin Vulgate, Septuagint, Codex Bezae, Erasmus, Tyndale English NT, etc… . . . . . .
        1968AD United Bible Societies – Greek NT from oldest Greek manuscripts dating 175AD.  This Greek NT is used by NASV and NIV.
        1971AD NASV – uses –older– Hebrew and Greek manuscripts now available that were not available at the time of KJV.
        1983AD NIV – uses –older– manuscripts not available during the time of KJV.
        MANY OTHERS
        Novum Testamentum Graece
        Nestle-Aland Text
        Samaritan Pentateuch

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      GKler: Classic anti-Catholic ka pre. Isa-isa lang. Para maayos ang debate. May ipapabasa din ako sayo. 

      IS ST. PETER THE ROCK ON WHICH JESUS BUILT HIS CHURCH? by Jimmy Akinhttp://jimmyakin.com/2012/10/is-st-peter-the-rock-on-which-jesus-built-his-church.html

      • jin2012

        1.  Popes claimed to be God on Earth is blasphemous.

        Here are a few examples:
        Pope Pius X – “The Pope represents Jesus Christ himself”.  Even Peter never said that!  - Publications of the Catholic Truth Society 1986

        Pope John XXII – “But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical ” – Century XIV Zenzelinus De Cassanis  

        Pope Pius XI – claims to be Pontifex Maximus – This is on the floor of St Peter’s basilica in the Vatican.  This title came from Babylon, then passed onto Roman Emperors, and now passed onto the Bishop of Rome – your Pope.

        Pope John Paul II – “Holy Father” is applicable to the Pope.  That is pure blasphemy!  He also said “Have no fear when people call me the Vicar of Christ, when they say to me “Holy Father” or “Your Holiness”.

        These are words from “infallible” Popes!

        Compare those to Revelation 13
        5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]

        Matthew 23
        And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

        2. Peter as Pope has no biblical basis.

        item 1.
        Jesus was talking about himself as the Rock, the Foundation of His Church, not Peter who even denied him 3 times.

        Refer to these: Matthew 7:24-25, Ephesians 2:19-22, Isaiah 32:1-2, Psalm 94:22, 1 Corinthians 3:11-12, Psalm 18:2,  Psalm 18:31, 1 Peter 1:4-6, Ephesians 2:19-22. Isaiah 32:1-2, Psalm 94:22, 1 Corinthians 10:4, Matthew 16:18, 1 Peter 2:5, Acts 4:11, John 1.

        I hope this is clear enough:
        Psalm 18:2   “The Lord is my rock.”
        Psalm 18:31 “And who is a rock except our God.”

        Look at what Peter even said, it looks like we are rocks/stones as well:

        1 Peter 1:4-6
        “Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones,…..”

        item 2.
        Only Peter commanded by Christ to feed his sheep?

        2.1 Then with this reasoning, Pope Linus (67AD-76AD) shouldn’t be the next Pope, because only Peter was specifically instructed by Jesus to feed the sheep. Compare with:John 10:16, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 24:14

        2.2  All the disciples were likewise ordered by Jesus Christ

        Matthew 10:5-7
        5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

        item 3.
        A list of the 12 apostles, someone’s name had to be first. In all probability, that is the order in which Jesus chose his 12 followers. That didn’t mean Peter became the one and only leader.The apostles were even arguing among themselves on who was the “greatest” among them.  Look at what Jesus said:

        Luke 9, Luke 22
        46An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. 47Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48Then he said to them,“Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest.”

        Obviously, it isn’t Peter who is the greatest among them.  Jesus would have said it that time.  Jesus did not do so. Jesus did say who is the greatest:

        Luke 7:28
        “For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

        item 4.
        Read the entire Acts 15.  Nowhere does it say Peter “presided” over the council, nor was he the only one to speak at the council, nor was he the leader of the council.  Paul and James were there too and also spoke (Acts 15).
         
        In fact it was —James— who “presided” over the first and only council of Jerusalem.Read the rest of 

        Acts 15:13-19
        13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me……….19 “It is —my judgment—, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 

        Seems to me it was James whose decision carried  the weight.  It wasn’t Peter or Paul who made the decision.

        item 5.
        Why did Paul oppose Peter who was clearly in the wrong at one time? 

        Galatians 2:11-14
        When Peter came to Antioch, I [Paul] opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong….

        item 6.
        Peter was clearly not the head, see his own writings:

        1 Peter 5:1
        To the elders among you, I appeal as a —fellow elder—, a witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed

        Even John is a fellow elder (2 John 1)

        item 7.
        If Peter was the head of the Church, why did John and Paul write more of the New Testament?

        Peter wrote 2 books, 8 chapters
        John wrote 5 books, 50 chapters
        Paul wrote 13 books, 87 chapters

        item 8.
        Nowhere in the bible is Peter referred to as Pope or Papa (Greek:  papa which means father).  In fact Jesus said:

        Matthew 23
        And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

  • jin2012

    This is what ruins faith in God:

    This is what Papal infallibility did,
    this is what the Roman Catholic Church did for 600 years:

    The Roman Catholic Church BURNED Bibles in English, French, Spanish, German etc… from 1200 to 1800+ including those who read them, possessed them!!

    300 AD Rome (Emperor Diocletian) started burning Bibles and their Believers. However Emperor Constantine put a stop to this.
    1184 AD Synod of Verona – Declared heretics be burned (Bible groups, Catholics who questioned the power of the pope).
    1199 AD Pope Innocent III – Burned French Bibles, and did not permit the people to have more.
    1203 – 1808 50+ million people are estimated to have been murdered and tortured by the RC Inquisition for crimes including possession and reading the Bible in English, French, Spanish, German etc.
    1208 – 1226 The RC army was sent to kill Albigenesian Christians.
    1215 AD Lateran Council declared heretics be burned and property taken.
    1229 AD The RC Inquisition executed and confiscated the property of 32000 Al bigensian Christians in Toulouse France.
    1229 AD Canon 14 – Church Council of Toulouse – We prohibit the laity to have OT and NT, and their translation of these.
    1234 AD Pope Gregory IX ordered Bible burning.
    1234 AD Council of Tarragona – No one may possess OT and NT, you must turn them over to the local bishop with 8 days, so that they may be burned.
    1408 AD Synod of Oxford – Declared “heresy” to posses an unauthorized English Bible (a Bible not approved by the Roman Catholic Church).
    1559 AD Pope Pius IV – Index of Trent 1559 – Index of Librorum Prohibitorum – Whoever reads or has a translation cannot be absolved from his sins until he turns in his Bible. All unauthorized Bible are forbidden.
    1525 AD 6000 Tyndale NT burned.
    1600 AD 10000 Bibles burned by order of Ferdinand II.
    1713 AD Pope Clement II – Condemned reading the Bible.
    1844 AD Pope Gregory – Declared those favoring Bible societies were guilty of the greatest crime against God and Church.

    Revelation 18
    4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b] so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. 6 Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup…….

    • bakitkailangan

       Ano ang ibig mong sabihin? Ikaw ay isa sa mga High Lander! ganoon ba?

    • Dacs Ichtus

      Not one of your assertions above involved papal infallibility.  I believe, from the evidence presented, you don’t know what you are talking about.  So, I’ll take you to task.

      “1184 AD Synod of Verona – Declared heretics be burned (Bible groups, Catholics who questioned the power of the pope).”— prove that a canon of the synod mentioned that heretics were to be burned.

      • jin2012

        The Synod of Verona in 1184 AD was under Pope Lucius III.
        Anything it did or didn’t do, was under his watch and blessings and his apparent infallibility.

        Definition:
        Canon – laws and regulations made by or adopted by the Church.

        I quote:
        In 1184 the synod of Verona cursed all heretics and their shelterers, ORDERED relapsed persons to be handed over to the secular arm for CAPITAL punishment, confiscated their property, and clearly indicated that the new Inquisition would go far beyond the older Episcopal function. The synod did not hesitate to threaten easy-going bishops, urging them to more frequent and more searching visitations, standing over them as a superior power.
        - 1902encylopedia . com on Inquisition

        I quote:
        “In 1184, the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona LEGISLATED that BURNING was to be the official punishment for heresy” – wikipedia Death_by_burning

        I quote:
        “In 1184AD the Roman Catholic Synod of Verona DECLARED that heretics were to be BURNED” – Darryl Eberhart, Editor ETI & TTT, Handout#18, Nov 15 2010

        I quote:
        “The DECREE of Pope Lucius II Against Heretics.  In 1184 Lucius III issued a BULL against heretics, which would later establish many of the principles of jurisprudence adopted by the Inquisition.  Such as – anyone that shielded heretics would be liable to the same punishment, and that “relapsed” heretics should receive steeper sentences including confiscation of property.  To abolish the malignity of diverse heresies…….we declare all Catharists, Paterines, Poor of Lyons, Passignes, Josephists, Arnoldists to lie under perpetual anathema….. as for the layman found guilty of aforesaid crimes we decree him to be left to the sentence of the secular judge….”

        Timeline

        385AD Spanish heretic Priscillian executed by Emperor Maximus
        529AD Justinian code against heretics
        1022AD King of France condemns heretics to burning at stake.
        1028AD Mob in Milan burn heretics over objections of a local bishop
        1143AD Cathars are burned at the stake by the locals in Cologne
        1184AD Bull of Pope Lucius III against heretics, Waldo and Cathars
        1199AD Bull of Pope Inocent  III specifies lands of heretics be confiscated.
        1209AD Pope Inocent IIII launches crusades against Albigensian Christians, Cathars, Beziers
        1215AD 4th Lateran Council in Rome declares heretics be excommunicated and turned over to authorities for punishment.
        1217AD Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor makes canon laws against heresy, heretics be burnt.
        1227AD Gregory IX starts Papal Inquisition
        1229AD Council of Toulouse declares no lay people should possess scripture except for Psalms and Hours which must be in Latin.
        1252AD Bull of Innocent IV authorized torture.

        - refer to The History of the Christian Church, Robert Jones, p23

        I quote:
        The Synod of Verona (1184) IMPOSED on bishops the duty to search out the heretics in their dioceses and to hand them over to the secular power. Other synods, and the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) under Pope Innocent III, repeated and enforced this decree, especially the Synod of Toulouse (1229), which established inquisitors in every parish (one priest and two laymen). Everyone was bound to denounce heretics, the names of the witnesses were kept secret; after 1243, when Innocent IV sanctioned the laws of Emperor Frederick II and of Louis IX against heretics, torture was applied in trials; the guilty persons were delivered up to the civil authorities and actually BURNT at the stake.” -refer to newadvent . org  Catholic Encylopedia.

  • browndarwinian

    ‘The truth is that religion, as we speak of it – Islam, Christianity, Judaism – is based on the claim that God dictates certain books. He doesn’t code software, he doesn’t produce films, he doesn’t score symphonies, he is an author. And this claim has achieved credibility because these books are deemed so profound they could not have possibly been written by human authors.’ -Sam harris

    VS

    ‘I am a man of one book.’ -Thomas aquinas

    ‘We sacrifice the intellect to God.’ – Ignatius loyola

    ‘Reason is the Devil’s harlot, ho can do naught but slander and harm whatever God says and does.’ -Martin Luther

    • tonyoks

      mr brown,
      this quote,
      ‘Reason is the Devil’s harlot, ho can do naught but slander and harm whatever God says and does.’ -
      do you know to whom was this addressed by ML??
      check your source and you may get the surprise of your life….
      cause if we are talking about “ML” the christian  reformist, remember he started the whole protestant movement…..

    • tonyoks

      ‘The truth is that religion, as we speak of it – Islam, Christianity, Judaism – is based on the claim that God dictates certain books. He doesn’t code software, he doesn’t produce films, he doesn’t score symphonies, he is an author. And this claim has achieved credibility because these books are deemed so profound they could not have possibly been written by human authors.’ -Sam harris
      mr. brown,
      have you read the two novels that a certain jose rizal wrote which brought him not fame of his time but death???
      try reading them, Noli me tangere and El filibusterismo, in english edition and you’ll find it not only profound but though sordid, were really very realistic and humane…

      and he’s no god…just a thinking indio….
      and guess who had him killed???

      the priest and friars fearing to lost their grip on us….

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Atheist Tonyoks: Lahat na sinisi mo sa Simbahang Katoliko, baka naman pati pagpatay kay Magellan, isisi mo pa rin sa Catholic Church. LoL.

      • tonyoks

        kanino pa nga ba???
        baka nakalimutan mo na si Magellan sinakop “kuno” ang pinas sa ngalan ng kanyang hari at sa kanilang Panginoon???

        sino ba hari nila that time kundi si King Philip of Spain at sino ba ang mga panginoon nila noon kundi ang mga prayle….mga kastilang pari na nagpasimuno ng katolisismo dito sa bansa natin…

        o sino ngayon ang sisihin?

        si lapu-lapu, tama lang yung ginawa nya gaya ng ginawa ng mga chamorro indians kay calungsod.

        Pareho lang namang kahoy yung pinasasamba sa kanila eh bakit pinagpipilitan nila yung sa kanila (mga kastilaloy)ang mas magaling….

        eh sila lapulapu ay tunay na kahoy ang sinasamba, natural baga, nakatayo pa sa gitna ng kagubatan sa mga kastila naman eh putol na inukit ukit pa….

        getz????

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Atheist Tonyoks: Talaga palang eng eng ka. Distorted history ang alam mo.

      • tonyoks

        distorted???
        sige nga …tell me the real score….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6YY66XPT63YFGHDKYTMIO4CM Daniel

    The book entitled “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop enumerates the proof that Roman Catholicism’s practices and beliefs came from Babylonian religion… not from Christ or the Bible.

    Catholicism is of pagan origin.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

      Then how come…, many “Christians”, who are non-Catholics follow the traditional practices of the Roman Catholic Church…, practices that are NOT MENTIONED in the BIBLE, or else is done in a different way…, like the celebration of the SABATH day…?

      Most Christian sects…, fade away upon the demise of its founder.
      These different protestant and other Christian sects do not agree, theologically, among themselves.
      Many of these, sooner than later, tend to have their own “splinter groups”.

      So please…., Let us not start by making any derogatory name-calling.

      • bakitkailangan

         Mang Merto! paki compose uli yung mga sentences mo, magulo ka pa sa sa buhok ni “Bembol Roco”.

    • TinTin Sison

      I will agree with you Daniel if you can show other credible proofs…who the heck is Alexander Hislop anyway…a Church-Basher? proving the Church to be a false one because of hate? C’mon, we know that everything that comes from hatred is not good.

      • tonyoks

        I may sound like a church-basher but no i never hated it.
        i know nothing good comes from being hateful…
        bad for the appetite…
        but i do know , the church?? is no good….

      • Dacs Ichtus

        Proof?!  Really?  Then show us supporting documents or sources for the proofs presented in that book.  Enumerate one and then we discuss.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Atheist Tonyoks: Of course, for you church is no good. Because you are atheist/agnostic/freethinker kuno. Kunyari intelligent. Sige nga. Sus!

      • tonyoks

        Now now now look who’s talkin…
        you’re makin a lot of claims for me…
        i’m honored…
        just remember, church, religion, faith, all no good.
        bad for the appetite, bad for health…
        now you can sleep peacefully…
        just dont judge me….

      • ever green

        not believing and following the church doesn’t make one an atheist.      Solo ba ng simbahan ang Diyos??? 

  • nizgoda

    the Holy Roman Catholic is neither Holy, Roman nor Catholic.  it is also a mixed pagan religion with countless number of idols.

    • bakitkailangan

       Hoy! Pops!  3000 – 3000 = 0 Simple hindi ba? pero HRC – HRC = mixed pagan religion,  ang layo! Saan ka ba natuto ng Algoritmetic? baka puwedeng turuan mo si Enrile, Erap at Binay ng mapakinabangan naman ng mga tao ang kanilang mga sinasabi.

    • tonyoks

      pops,
      hindi po mixed pagan religion kundi  sinu-per impose po nila ang kanilang mga rituals at mga turo sa mas nauna pang mga pagan rituals that were already being practiced long before they {rcc) were even recognized as a “church” o cult….

      there is an an old adage, “it is the victors who writes their history” and we all know that the church we know now re- emerge as the “victor”after the “inquisition” o dark ages which in a way was a religious genocide…
      fresh from that victory, naka-rating pa sa pinas  yan thru the Spaniards…
      up to this very moment, di pa rin sila natigil in one way or another…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Idiocy to the maximum level. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4K4HFF22VQ2QNVINUJMNOBEXQE mel

    Exodus 20:3-4
      “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God,..

    Jeremiah 10:3-6
    3 Their ways are futile and foolish.    They cut down a tree, and a craftsman carves an idol.4 They decorate it with gold and silver    and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails    so it won’t fall over.5 Their gods are like    helpless scarecrows in a cucumber field!They cannot speak,    and they need to be carried because they cannot walk.Do not be afraid of such gods,    for they can neither harm you nor do you any good.”

    Jeremiah 7:17-19
    17 Don’t you see what they are doing throughout the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 No wonder I am so angry! Watch how the children gather wood and the fathers build sacrificial fires. See how the women knead dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. And they pour out liquid offerings to their other idol gods! 19 Am I the one they are hurting?” asks the Lord. “Most of all, they hurt themselves, to their own shame.”

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Mel:  RE: STATUS AND IMAGES
      The Accusation

      The Bible clearly
      forbids the making of any images. Yet Catholic churches are filled with such
      images. In addition, the Bible prohibits bowing down to images, yet Catholics
      frequently kneel before statues, crucifixes and other images.

       

      Dt 4:15 – Protestants
      say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make
      graven images of Him.

      Dt. 4:16 – of course,
      in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t
      yet reveal himself in the “form of any figure.” Hence, had the Israelites
      depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form
      of beast, bird, reptile, fish, etc which as a commong error at those times.

       

      Ex 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Mt 3:16; Mk 1:10; Lk 3:22; Jn 1:32; Acts 2:3-
      later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a
      dove, fire, etc).

       

      Dt 5:8 – God’s
      commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely
      connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used
      in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped. 

      • jin2012

        Compare what you wrote with these:

        John 1:18 (KJV)
        No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

        Matthew 5:17-20 
        (Christ speaking, who by the way quoted scripture from at least 24 books of the Hebrew Testament)
        17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

        Isaiah 42:8
        My name is Yahweh [the LORD], I will not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.

        Exodus 20:2-17
        (Ten Commandments) Do not have any other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I Yahweh your God am a jealous God.

        Isaiah 40,18
        To whom could you liken God? What image could you contrive of him?

        Ezekiel 14:6
        The Lord Yahweh say this: Come back, renounce your idols and give up all your filthy practices.

        2Corinthians 6:16
        The temple of God has no common ground with idols, and that is what we are, the temple of the living God.

        1John 5:21
        My little children, be on your guard against idols.

        Leviticus 26:1
        You must make no idols; you must setup neither carved image nor standing stone, setup no sculptured stone in your hand, to prostrate yourselves in front of it, for it is I Yahweh who am your God.

        Jeremiah 10:14-15
        …his images are nothing but delusions, with no breath in them. They are nothing, a laughable production…

        Deuteronomy 7:25-26
        You must set fire to all the carved images of their gods, not coveting the gold and silver that covers them, take it and you will be caught in a snare, it is detestable to Yahweh your God. You must not bring any detestable thing into your house … you must regard them unclean and loathsome.

        1Corinthians 10:14,20
        This is the reason, my dear brothers, why you must keep clear of idolatry … the sacrifices that they offer they offer to demons who are not God. 

        2Corinthians 5:7
        We walk by faith, not by sight.

        John 4:23-24
        God is a spirit, and those worshiping him must worship in spirit and truth.
         
        Galatians 5:20-21
        idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like

        ……..I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God…..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

    Does this “New Age” you mentioned include unusual devotion to a particular saint or relic/statue…, that includes being present at the saint’s day and even be able to touch or wipe some piece of cloth on his/her statue/relic.,?

    This happens a lot of times during the feast(s) of a particular saint(s)…!

    • RNKR2005

      Some people may also believe that praying to saints will grant them their prayer, forgetting that it is God that does that. Bible says that Jesus is the only way, but if people or even the Church believe that saints and Mama Mary can intercede for them in prayer…

  • RNKR2005

    I totally agree with this article.  This is what I meant a few weeks ago with the phrase “run of the mill Catholics”.  I apologize in advance if I’ve insulted people with this poor choice of words, but in no way do I say that the majority of Catholics are guilty of this.  Mixing one’s faith with indulging in occult practices even if the Bible specifically prohibits it baffles me. Religious statues are okay with me as long are they are just symbols of one’s faith. But risking life and limb just to reach out and touch a wooden statue in the belief that it will grant wealth and good fortune and then going back to work selling pirated goods, stealing car side mirrors and accepting bribes I think is not something that the Church wants it’s members to practice

    • tonyoks

      may tawag sa ganitong mental state:
      split level christianity o schizophrenic belief,,,

      Para bang isang prosti,dadaan muna sa Baclaran church para manalangin na sana makarami siya ng kustomer, na sana di maguyo, na sana di mag-ka aids para may pampakain sa pamilya…

      thats how it is… in the philippines…

  • virgoyap

    Once we adhere to superstitions many times it becomes a reality. The more we adhere to it the more we will be convinced that it is true and real. If you go to Siquijor Island you will hear countless and unending stories about these things and it’s easy for us to be persuaded. Is it the devil’s work? Only God knows.

  • ever green

    wow!!! coming from a catholic priest…..<<>>  may contradiction ang sinasabi sa ginagawa….hmmmmmm

    Albularyo, Mangtatawas, Manghihilot, Mananambal, Manghuhula, Mangkukulam, Mambabarang, —wow again. May ganun pa bang ganyan ngayon??? I know the hilot part pero ung iba????

    • bakitkailangan

       WoWWW! ang tindi ng trip mo “ever glue”, panulog na yang amats mo! sige suminghot ka pa!

    • tonyoks

      this article is really a show of how twisted and irrational people running this so called “church” are..
      Dapat sila magpatingin sa mga psychiatrist.
      sabihin nilang wag maniwala sa mga kung ano ano, inienexorcise naman nila!!!

      ano ba talaga???

      bat may exo-exorcism pa silang nalalaman di naman pala totoo???

      nananakot, nanloloko??? ano ba talaga…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Now your ignorance of the Catholic Church shows! In that case,you do not have the right to criticize the church which you do not know anything about. Stop pretending to be a know-it-all guru.

    • batangpaslit

      hahaha..
      dinadaan mo na lang sa biro ah ang commentary mo
      chuckles

      • ever green

        no need being angry or worked up about anything…. baka masira lang ang araw di ba?….besides, i don’t understand those like bakitkailangan below na mahilig kumontra o tirahin ang commentaryo ng iba….kanya kanyang triplang talaga….hahaha….have a good day….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MYUBJBPQKQU52EEF247LQFA2ZE truenorth11

     Yes! Finally, a Roman Catholic priest telling it like it is.  In my experiences with the deliverance (exorcism) ministry, I have observed the same effects of curses, sicknesses, etc. on individuals, places, and society. This is the reason God will not tolerate rivals in any form (Sto. Ninos, money, power, addictions, etc.). The best way to be protected and blessed is to study seriously the Word of God.

    • batangpaslit

      You can say it again, Brother!

  • GlenMJacob

    Hello Father Francisco Syquia why not give lectures to the bishops regarding your book rather than bishops mingling with state affairs. Indeed they cannot see the big log on there eyes and yet they can see the speck on the other persons eyes.

    • TinTin Sison

      Bishop would not meddle with the state’s affairs if people like you do something to change our nation. Instead of blaming & pointing our fingers to others, why not start to change yourself before expecting the whole nation to change.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/I45NQCRSR5CUX23NKP3NAXO5KE Dan

         I’m not against anybody personally, for we are all human being, endowed and gifted with own  “free will” if you may.

        If you are satisfied with what your traditions taught you….good!  But if you crave for the truth and real meaning of your existence….the better.

        Am I at fault when I just want to share the bible truth? and the lies of Catholicism?

      • batangpaslit

        Dan, as I see it, there is nothing wrong with “traditions”, if these so called traditions are NOT/NOT contrary to what the Scriptures say.
        I observed tradtions too, like kissing the hand of my living elders. Giving respect to elders do not contradict biblical teachings.
        But to pay homage or venerate the wooden carvings that decorate the walls of the church building is clearly an idolatrous act detested by GOD.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        BATANG PASLIT? IKAW NA NAMAN. SIGE PARA MALIWANAGAN KA. ETO BASAHIN MONG MAIGE PARA MATUTUNAN MO, OK? NG HINDI KA BINTANG NG BINTANG NG KUNG ANO-ANO.Catholics certainly do not worship statues, or anything created.  The Catholic Church teaches that only God is to be worshipped: to worship anything created is to commit the serious sin of idolatry.  In Ex 20:4-5, God prohibits the making of images for the purpose of worshipping them. But God does not prohibit image-making altogether.  In Ex 25:18-19, God commands Moses to make statues of angels  (cherubim).  God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent (seraph), which the Israelites had to look upon in order to be healed (Num 21:8). Catholics use statues and other images in order to call to mind the holy people they represent – Jesus, the angels, and the saints – in the same way Protestants use Christmas nativity scenes to depict the same holy people: Jesus, the angels, and the saints.  Catholics simply use statues and images in devotions all year around. The rejection of statues and other images in Church devotional life is a heresy called “iconoclasm.”  It was first seen in Christianity in the eighth century when the wicked Emperor Leo the Isaurian, influenced by the new religion of Islam (founded in 622 AD), began attacking the use of statues and icons in the Church.  At the Second Council of Nicea in 787 AD, the Church condemned this heresy and it was not seen again in Christianity until the Reformation.GETS MO NA?

      • jin2012

        God specifically commanded Moses to build cherubs for His Ark and His Temple (Temple of Solomon).  

        That does not mean He gave anyone else the authority to create statues of Mary, Jesus, Saints, Calungsod.

      • tonyoks

        Instead of blaming & pointing our fingers to others, why not start to change yourself before expecting the whole nation to change.
        yeah, totally agree. start with yourself by reading other books…

        “Sadly, this is the way of things and greater proof the mankind is still suffering from Dark Age bigotry and spiritual immaturity. ”

        alalahanin mo 400 years na tayong niloloko…

      • TinTin Sison

         ”Sadly, this is the way of things and greater proof the mankind is
        still suffering from Dark Age bigotry and spiritual immaturity. ”

        alalahanin mo 400 years na tayong niloloko…

        owws…talaga? prove mo nga na talagang niloloko tayo ng Simbahang Katoliko? bakit sa mga naniniwala sa Islam, sa Buddhism, sa Shintoism, hindi mo masabi na niloloko lang sila ng mga pinuno nila? baka nakakalimutan mo rin na hindi mo rin maipapahayag ang mga sinasabi mo ngayon kundi dahil sa Simbahang Katoliko na naikapaglaban para sa demokrasya ng bansa na kinabibilangan mo!

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tintin: Wag mo ng pansinin ang mga Anti-Catholics na yan. Lumang isyu na ang mga binabato nila. Kakasawa na. Paulit-ulit ng sinagot ng Simbahan ang mga isyu. Ganyan talga, kailangan nilang siraan ang Simbahan para may marecruit sila sa sekta nila. Oops ang koleksyones nga naman.

      • stealth ice

        guys i believe this lady is a nun. really. be kind to her for he is close to the father.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Stealth Ice: Between a pagan like you and Tintin. I would readily believe in Tintin’s arguments. You lost your credibility, man.

      • TinTin Sison

         Only God can tell if I’m close to Him or not. Instead of thinking about that, maybe you should start thinking if your soul is pleasing to God or not.

    • bakitkailangan

       ang layo naman ng kumento mo GlenJ, maghilamos ka nga muna at magsipilyo na rin, para naman makapagisip ka ng husto!

      • GlenMJacob

        Let me break it down for you. The bishops has a lot of things do on their flock and priest. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed and this is one of them. I am glad that this priest has written some of the problems within his church. Coming from their own means a lot ! Why not the bishops concentrate on their backyard rather than meddling with the state affairs?

      • GlenMJacob

        Let me break it down for you. The bishops has a lot of things do on their flock and priest. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed and this is one of them. I am glad that this priest has written some of the problems within his church. Coming from their own means a lot ! Why not the bishops concentrate on their backyard rather than meddling with the state affairs?

      • GlenMJacob

        Let me break it down for you. The bishops has a lot of things do on their flock and priest. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed and this is one of them. I am glad that this priest has written some of the problems within his church. Coming from their own means a lot ! Why not the bishops concentrate on their backyard rather than meddling with the state affairs?

  • Julio7

    “Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians…and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”  The Qur’an, 2:62

    • tonyoks

      “Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians…and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”  The Qur’an, 2:62
      ehemmm, kaya pala ang gulo ng mundo ngayon…amen…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Oh bakit di mo kayang tirahin ang Islam. Duwag ka naman eh. Katoliko lang ang kaya mong siraan. Dahil isa kang duwag. Wag ka sanang maging mapanira ng kapwa dahil masama yan. Magbagong buhay ka na kapatid. 

      • tonyoks

        open mo kaya you tube mo…search mo si George carlin and you’ll be amused…
        meron ba akong siniraan???may hinusgahan???
        i am writing my convictions…if ever may masisira man ako lang yun..
        at kung may mahuhusgahan ako lang din…
        bakit nyo idadamay ang iba??? talagang utak talanka ka oo…
        bleesed ka pa nmang naturingan….

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Ikaw nga ang naunang nanira tapos ikaw tong nambabaliktad, Wag kang maguumpisa kung ayaw mong nireresbakan.

      • tonyoks

        is writing on  one’s conviction “paninira?

        no need to do that.
        the church you are in now is in the path of self destruction, thanks to people like you…
        ang kikitid ng takbo ng utak. kundi man ay sarado na …
        sayang…
        makatulog na nga…

        at paki research ng word “atheist”
        ramdam ko di mo naiintindihan to eh…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TP6YY66XPT63YFGHDKYTMIO4CM Daniel

        Yes you are right! There’s so much troubles all over the world. Because that is what Islam likes, for it viewed the world into two separate distinctions…..The House of Islam and The house of War.

  • TinTin Sison

    I can’t understand why some people loves to bash the Catholic Church because of its beliefs and practices…from their posts, I can read anger and hatred. Unfortunately for you guys, your hatred will not prevail over the Church founded by God’s begotten Son 2000 years ago. Your hatred is not enough to bring it down, and will not be for the next billions of years. 

    You love to bash the Church for its mistakes? C’mon, are you guys perfect in any way?

    • tonyoks

      I can’t understand why some people loves to bash the Catholic Church because of its beliefs and practices…from their posts, I can read anger and hatred.
      i think it should be the other way around…

      in particular d2 sa pinas, 400 years na nila tayong bina-”bash”-tos…

      • TinTin Sison

         alam mo, nakaka-awa itong si tonyoks….puro satsat, wala naman proofs sa mga sinasabi niya. show your proofs, then I will believe….

      • tonyoks

        Tts,pls. Save your awa to yourself.looking for proofs?then take a good look at yourself…you are one hell of a living proof…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Kung makapanghusga ka naman kala mo kung sino. Sus, masyado kang self-righteous! Ano bang sekta mo? Malamang Iglesia ni Kalantiyaw yan na sumingaw lang nitong 19th century. Tsk. Tsk. 

      • tonyoks

        sorry, no sexta at all… in fact all religion for me is xxxxshit…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Oh,  you are a classic ATHEIST! Perhaps an AGNOSTIC. Or a FREE THINKER kuno kunyari intelligent. Let me see? Can you give me a discourse on the existence (non-existence) of God? Let me hear your profound answer.

      • tonyoks

        sorry i cant…kasi yung belief mo ng god mo eh pang catekista level lang…so sorry….baka di mo lang magetz….
        and thats my profound and earth shaking answer….

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Di mo lang alam ang sagot. Tapos. Akala ko ba magaling ka?

      • tonyoks

        sino may sabi???
        ikaw lang naman eh…
        uulitin ko, upgrade mo muna kakayahin mong umintindi then we can meet on that level.

      • TinTin Sison

         maybe you should start at by being respectful to the beliefs of others…that is what being level minded means, tonyoks.

      • TinTin Sison

        no proofs, means its false. Sorry tonyoks, nakakaawa ka lang talaga. Bet ko pinagtatawanan ng iba yung mga posts mong wala naman proofs…I can compare you to a dog that can only bark but no bite. Wawa ka talaga.

    • jawaini

      i am not against the church or some of its teaching…but i firmly believe that worshipping a saint or devoting time..asking for help from him or her ..is a form idol worhsip…if we go back to the first commandment…and i dont have to tell u what it is…the only one to be worshipped is God …then why do people devote so much time on saints and other holy objects…because it is sanctioned by the church…so people thinks that worshipping other things  aside from God is ok…the church is run by humans…and they’re not immune to human errors…nor greed…or influences…so priests..pastors….teaches what suits their interest and for the church too…if the roman catholic church abolish the worshiping of the saints…and other holy things…maybe …idol worship will stop…although am not optomistic about it….

      • TinTin Sison

         the Catholic Church, in its 2000+ years of existence, NEVER taught to worship other beings. From the beginning, the Church only worshipped ONE TRUE GOD in THREE DIVINE PERSONS, the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. We do not worship the saints but rather, we VENERATE them because of the works of God thru them. Remember, nobody cannot be a good person unless GOD IS WITH THEM and DWELLING IN THEM IN HIS SPIRIT. Therefore, we ask for their INTERCESSION because we believe that they are NOW WITH GOD FACE TO FACE and they can ask Him about our needs. Yes, we can ask our needs directly to God, but with an intercession of the saints, our prayers can touch the heart of God more so He can grant us what we ask for IF it is His will. The idols being mentioned here is not the saints but rather, the idols that were being worshiped by our pagan ancestors long before the arrival of Christianity.

      • jc58

        Interesting teaching. Enlighten me please. How are the statutes link to saints praying on our behalf? Does praying to statutes transmit the prayers to the saints? Are we giving saints divine attitudes?

      • flewen

         jc, are we referring to the statue once we pray? have you read the Cathecism of the Catholic Church?

      • batangpaslit

        Aran, why not study the Scriptures instead and contrast them of the teachings you receive and examine the truthfulness of what was conveyed to you?

      • TinTin Sison

        Sensya na….eto lang ang masasabi ko: dahil batang paslit ka lang eh kahit anong paliwanag ay talagang hindi mo maiintindihan…di ba nga, batang paslit ka lang? usapan ng mga mature in faith ito kaya huwag ka nang sumali….panggulo ka lang eh….

      • batangpaslit

        Tama TinTin, paslit nga ako—bata na, paslit pa.
        Pero ano nag sabi ng Panginoon? Unless you have the faith of this little child, you cannot enter Paradise.
        hehehe…
        Sure, naguluhan ka.
        Magtulungan tayo sa paghanap ng lunas. Let us discuss subjects on Eschatology, and Hermeneutics to determine what is false and what is true based from Scriptures.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        JC58: Since you appear to be genuinely interested, I guess it is but proper to ask that question from a Catholic not an Anti-Catholic like Stealth Ice. To begin with, are you Catholic Jc58? Or are you in the middle, confused trying to find your way back into the faith? First of all, Catholics do not pray to the statues, they are just representation of the Saints. Meaning, when we look at it, we are transported to the Saints in Heaven.  We are not giving the saints divine attitudes (?), We are just honoring them. Gets mo. The Church does not teach us to worship the statue. Parang may litrato ka ng nanay mo sa wallet tapos you gaze at it and touch it. it’s the same. You do not worship your mom, do you? Catholics believe in the communion of saints. That Saints in heaven can intercede for us in the throne of God. Kung papanong we ask our friends and relatives to pray for us pag may sakit tayo o may kahilingang matindi, ganon din ang prinsipyo ng paghingi ng panalangin sa mga Santong Banal.

      • jc58

        LouBlessed2bCatholic and Aran, sorry for the typo, it was late in the night. I’m not a Catholic. Where can i get a free copy of the Cathecism online. I’m trying to understand the culture and the reason for the practices of Catholic. Reading the paper article help me appriciate that some practices are not approved by the church. I respect individual belief and no not agree with personal attacks and name calling. Thanks.

      • TinTin Sison

         jc58, i like the way you reply. May I ask if you have with you a picture of your love ones? Can I ask if why do you have them? why do you keep them? If you answer this question, then we can proceed. :D

      • jc58

        Tin tin Sison, i have many photos of my loved ones. Looking at them reminds me of my role in it, and they help me recall the occasion of the pictures. Where are going with this?

      • stealth ice

        this person is a fraud. look at the profile photo. dont tell me pedro calungsod is reading this article. this will fall part of the cybercrime for using other’s photo.

      • stealth ice

        the so called saints are just like a regular employees. they were given performance appraisal by the pope then promoted to saint. i just dont know if they have a title like assistant saint, saint, senior saint.

        tell me do you really believe in saints? it’s like telling us all that you believe in sta. clause.

        anyway merry christmas to you. and by the way santa is on his way.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Stealth Ice: Kaya pala ganyan ang pangalan mo, malamig ka pa sa yelo sa pananampalataya mo. Di mo talaga maiintindihan dahil hindi mo itinry na intindihin. Tira ka lang ng tira. Dyan ka magaling.

      • tonyoks

        2000+ years of existence???
        you should consult your new testament timeline…
        the church you believe in now is not even in existence until 4th century AD.
        The 1st Nicean Convention or synod was called upon by Emperor Constantine hoping he can unify or consolidate the infighting of the different groups during the early times.
        It didnt came out well. In fact it leads to more infighting with a big faction splitting up.the Nesturians.
        Nesturius just couldnt swallow, hook line and sinker the new creed which says that Jesus is God because for them he is and was not. remember they were only a few hundred years since the name of this jesus from nazareth did a hit…so historically they are still very well aware of the not so current event of their time.
        and the 3 in 1 God for them was totally bull so they did ended that famous synod with fighting, literally at that…fists flew…
        however, the rest came up with the famous “I believe in god creed, the nicean creed and the so the story goes….
        this Constantine dynasty/clan also initiated the veneration of relics cause it raked it a lot of money for them.

        the mother, Helena, went to jerusalem and pinpointed areas for veneration  like the streets where the guy jesus was supposed to be paraded and the hill that he was “crucified”.
        she even brought back with her ‘bloodstained” nails use in the crucifixion…claiming them to be miraculous.
        and thats how your church and its belief started my dear tintin…

      • TinTin Sison

         di ba sabi mo, all religions are &%!#@…eh bakit mukha kang may alam…ah, alam ko na, ideas mo lang ito, puro fictions. Sinong engot naman ang maniniwala sa iyo pagdating sa kaalaman ng relihiyon kung ikaw mismo ay hindi bahagi nito.

      • tonyoks

        sorry to dis-appoint you again…
        but no, these arent just ideas,fictions…
        i am writing with conviction, well thought of researches, and verifiable doumentations…
        if you do care really of what you have been taught to believed in, try doing this…
        then you will be illuminated…your mind will be free and you can feel how is it to be relieved of all the lies that has been embedded in your brain,  since the day you you were born….
        no need to believe me just try it….

      • batangpaslit

        Tintin how do you square your argument from what is written in the Book of Deuteronomy about seeking intercession from the dead?
        To seek intercession from the living is not wrong. But to seek the intercession of the dead is clearly an act of Necromancy—a form of devil worship.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        BatangPaslit: Talagang paslit ka nga. Wala kang kamuwang-muwang eh. 

        Necromancy means summoning forth spirits from the
        shadowy underworld (OT “Sheol”), in order to converse with them.  By asking the saints in heaven to
        intercede for us, Catholics are not conjuring roaming spirits or communicating
        in any “spiritualistic” way.  So
        prayer to the saints has nothing to do with necromancy.

         

        Nor are the saints
        dead.  In God’s eternal view the
        distinction between His family members who are “living,” and “dead” makes no
        difference.  The saints in heaven
        are alive and with God: “He is God of the living, not of the dead” (Mk
        12:26-27).  In Mark 9:4, Jesus is
        seen conversing with Elijah and Moses. 
        Jesus tells the Good Thief: “I
        assure you, this day you will
        be with me in paradise” (Lk 23:43). 
        In fact, the saints in heaven are
        more alive than we are.  They are
        free from all sin.  They enjoy the
        fullness of God’s presence and life. 
        Flooded with God’s love, they care more about us now than when they were
        on earth.You have NO right to criticize something you do not understand.

      • flewen

         are you referring to VENERATIO? do you know anything basic about the Bible language?

      • batangpaslit

        Jawa, agree…!

    • stealth ice

      you’re right. personally i have nothing against the church. it’s the men in robe who should be blame. As mentioned on this article “Moses was angry when he saw his people worshipped the golden calf”. This priest forgot that one of them just recently became controversial about the WORSHIPPED OF THINGS MADE OF IVORY (elephant tusk). this is the highest level of hypocrisy committed.

      Again i have nothing personal against the church.

      • frescoedechoes

        Again we are back to that Monsignor’s case… please be reminded that before the public even got wind of that he was already stripped of his duties as a priest owing to the fact that his case was already elevated to the Vatican and they are investigating him… lahat ba kayo iisa lang ang source nyo? Yung National Geographic article ni Brian Christy? Kaya ba pati ang mga linya nya kinocopy-paste lang ninyo dito? Paulit-ulit na pinapaliwanag ng mga totoong Katoliko sa thread na ito na hindi namen sinasamba ang mga Santo.  Pero nagbibingi-bingihan kayo. 

      • TinTin Sison

         Again i have nothing personal against the church.

        -yeah, right. Maybe you must read again the content of your post. Why do you see the mistake of one as the mistake of the whole institution? The Ivory issue is not related to this topic. Maybe if you’re a Catholic, you should go to the catechism class of your parish. Your knowledge about the faith is too narrow, maybe you should broad it up so you will not look “baka” here.

  • constantcrusader

    Yung iba ang dami nang sinabi na hindi naman konektado sa article. Makatira lang sa simbahan. Try harder folks. The Church which you accuse of so many things has been around for two thousand years and more. It is the Church established by Christ himself and not just any man. It’s so easy to read so many books against the Church, but no one reads the catechism nor attends theology classes in order to verify whether what they know is true or not. Truly, in this information age, idiots are taking over. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/I45NQCRSR5CUX23NKP3NAXO5KE Dan

      ..and you are one of them!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

        Cathecism, theology of who..the pope and his minions in Rome…..where they teach the people about saints and other theories promulgated by the church…where reading of the bible is considered heretics and can be burned in stakes… who were the idiots..try reading other books or browse the net and maybe you will learn something.. and not confined yourself to medieval ideas where only the priest are allowed to read and forced religious beliefs to common men…religious ideas like telling people that.the earth is flat and earth is the center of the universe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/I45NQCRSR5CUX23NKP3NAXO5KE Dan

        You may include also the atrocities they have committed against mankind…..I can cite one……the infamous “St Bartholomew Massacre”.

      • flewen

        hmmm..have you been to theology classes?

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Wilder: These are old issues, resurrected by ignorant Anti-Catholics like you.The Catholic Church has already answered those issues. You want to read again, the Catholic response on these? Or you are just a classic Catholic-basher who keeps on throwing mud at the Church without even hearing what the Church has to say about these things..Little knowledge is dangerous. Who told you all those lies? The Anti-Catholics are happily singing their lies all throughout the day! Tsk. tsk. What sect do you belong?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

        Try reading other religious scriptures and maybe you will find enlightenment..until now it is Roman Catholic teaching .that praying to the saints is one way to the kingdom of god…. the belief in Virgin Mary like she is god herself.. see how the rosary is being done, she is venerated in the litany even more than Christ, there is no such thing written in the bible..even christ himself did not said he is god himself..By the way, I am a catholic by birth, but i tried to find the truth as it was written in the the bible “seek and you shall find”.. I have even read the quran, hindu scriptures and others religious books..if you read the Hindu scriptures, which is even older than the bible, you will even find something similar to roman catholics such as saints..and in other written texts of older civilizations and religion, profound similarities with bible’s Old Testament were written..

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Sino ba may sabi syo na Catholics believe that Mary is God herself??? Hellow. Ikaw lang ang may sabi nyan at hindi kame. Stop putting words into our mouth. Dahil wla kaming ganyang paniniwala gya ng mga inaakusa mo. Btw, Buti pa ang Hindu Scriptures binabasa mo, eh Bible kaya? Nirecommend mo pang basahin ang ibang religious scriptures. Such as what? Taosim, Islam, Buddhism, New Age? Tsk. Tsk. Kaya pala confused ka.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

        Try reciting the rosary and the litany and analyze the words not by rote and you will see what I mean..that RC is ging Mary the veneration like God..For your info,I grew up in a devoted Catholic household and I have read the bible and that’s why  maybe you’re right, I got confused because most of the rituals I have seen performed by the Roman Catholic are not even in the Bible..The teaching of Jesus said that everyone is equal to the eyes of God..but Roman Catholic have even level/layer of hierarchy like an empire..not surprising because it was popularized by Constantine, Emperor of Roman Empire who don’t want his power marginalized….Thats the reason I try to find the truth by reading other Scriptures..If finding the truth as it was also in the bible..”seek and ye shall find” is being confused and ignorant, i would gladly be called an ignoramus..but i will not be a blind follower of something that was forced on me

    • tonyoks

      Truly, in this information age, idiots are taking over. 
      and amazingly, you are one of them…

      your info is so very inaccurate and misleading…you’ve been spoon fed by the devil himself…

      that is if you believe in it too…

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Oh really, spoon fed by the devil himself? Whoa. From a guy who do not have any religion whatsover as what you admitted. Baka naman ikaw ang spoonfed by the devil himself, huh, Atheist Tonyoks.

      • tonyoks

        nakakaintindi ka ba ng satirical statement???

        you got it totally wrong there, being spoon fed by the devil???
        no way jose…

        i’m the devil personified so why would i do that???

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Tonyoks: Ayun! Umamin din! Thank you for exposing yourself, devil personified! So dapat lang di ka pag-aksayan ng panahon.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

      Cathecism, theology of who..the pope and his minions in Rome…..where they teach the people about saints and other theories promulgated by the church…where reading of the bible is considered heretics and can be burned in stakes… who were the idiots..try reading other books or browse the net and maybe you will learn something.. and not confined yourself to medieval ideas where only the priest are allowed to read and forced religious beliefs to common men…religious ideas like telling people that.the earth is flat and earth is the center of the universe

    • batangpaslit

      That being said Anthony, it presupposes that you do not subscribe that Peter is the founder of the church.
      You are correct, Jesus Christ is the true foundation of the church he established.
      And the church have no name. It is plainly church—the body of believers who confess and confess the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Anthony Perez: Don’t mind them. Idiocy to the maximum level ang mga anti-Catholic comments here. As usual, gawain nila yan mga kulto kaya sila galit. Tinatamaan lang. If I know, nagtayo lang ng sarili nilang sekta tapos mas marunong pa kay Thomas Aquinas at sa mga Church Fathers? Wow. Self-righteousness lang. At kunyari intelligent daw (kuno). Buti pa ang mga Katoliko, di mahilig manira katulad ng iba sa thread na ito. Bato-bato sa langit, ang tamaan..Hehehe

  • xpider07

    Watch Zeitgeist Part 1 on youtube. This video is not good for the Christian religion.

    • stevewhiteraven

      Zeitgeist is full of falsehoods and lies ..missleading about christianity .although not a christian i do not think it is good to try and knock anothers faith ..especially with lies

  • jawaini

    roman catholic church practices the same belief in inanimate objects like the statue of the saints or whatever…so whats the diffirence…maybe if the church changes this wrong practice maybe we can devote our whole attention and prayers to God alone… instead of sharing it with the saints…or whatever holy things there is…that sometimes only the church decides what this saint looks like…like St. Pedro Calungsod…people believed on those pagan idols as they do believe in saints…that’s why this pagan worship will never be irradicated. 

    • flewen

       hmm..are you that knowledgeable about the Catholic Faith? seems you are mixed up.

  • tonyoks

    i just hope this priest, syquia, reads these responses and contemplates whether he has to continue running his “Archdiocese of Manila Office of Exorcism” or totally quit his “calling”as an exorcist…
    i believe Max Von Sydow has long since retired from being one for sure….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

      Office of Exorcism maybe the new term for Office of the Inquisitor, to exorcise men and  women who did not follow the Roman Catholic teachings ie; the heretics as defined by Rome leadership..

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Wilder: Opinyon mo lang yan dahil ang totoo wala kang alam. Halatang halata ignoramus ka.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

         hahaha…look who’s talking..then anyone who have a different opinion from what the Roman Catholic teaching are ignoramus..that’s what they did in the Middle ages, the time of Inquisition..everyone who did not follow Roman Catholicism doctrines must be punished or must be burn in the stakes…Now I’m not surprise why Inquisition have too many followers…Ignoramus for you is one who have the guts to find the truth..or find reasons for something that is not clear…

  • stevewhiteraven

    Its not paganism that ruins faith in christianity as a pagan i do not believe in christinity the christian god the jesus the bible well nice enough in some of its ideas and views is not origional alot of it comes from much older religions the oldest reference to the  christian commandmant of love one another …comes from 500 BC  
    you see christianity had pagan origins as all religiouse beleifs did today they have adpated and changed to suit people over time ..evolved.
    I would never say there is no such thing as evil but the evil isnt my gods the evil in this world where you may find your preciouse satan is in the abrahamic religions , the deceiver and destroyer ,

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Stevewhiteraven: Oh you are a pagan? Goodness, you admitted it. You lost any credibility and are not in the position to lecture about Catholicism and Christianity.

      • stevewhiteraven

        actually i trained for ministry many years ago and my familly are mostly catholic …but since i am not lecturing about christianity but commenting on some of christians views on other faiths, being of another faith commented upon i think i have a right to respond ..catholic or not

      • frescoedechoes

        kaya pala galit na galit ka kase the priest is condemning your paganism… everything makes sense now

      • stevewhiteraven

        na rin pari tila medyo baliw tungkol sa paganismo … maybee siya nakikita ang katotohanan sa mga ito
        well the priest seems pretty mad about paganism   

  • Pablo316

    The prelate is correct if people will only remove those things that do not belong to God then people will realize how good God is and how powerful He is on those who truly believe.
     
    All these errors can easily be sliced out by the sharp and powerful Sword of the Holy Spirit, which is no other than the written words of God – the Bible. As I’ve been saying all along that people need to go back to the truth of the Bible, to its pure and unadulterated teachings and get rid of all these occult practices that are the mainstays of demons and evil spirits.
     
    Go read the Bible God-fearing and God-seeking people for it will give you the guidance and the knowledge that leads to true salvation and to true godliness.
     
    Those who truly believe can easily drive these demons out in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
    God bless!

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Pablobnb: I admire your sincerity. But I would like to ask you this question: Do you know that the doctrine “Bible Alone” is not found in the Bible? Try to figure out. If you can give me the verse. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Bible. It is dear to me. But to insist that the “Bible alone” should be the only guide to saving faith in God is totally erroneous. The Bible itself doesn’t teach that.

      The doctrine of sola scriptura is not found in Scripture. In fact, the Bible claims that you need more than just the Bible alone (2 Pet 1:20-21, 3:15-16). The Bible tells us that not everything Jesus said and did is recorded in Scripture (John 21:25) and that we must also hold fast to oral tradition, the preached Word of God (1 Cor 11:2, 1 Pet 1:25). Finally, the Bible assures us that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15).

      It goes against HISTORY. The history of the Bible shows us that it was the Catholic Church exercising its Apostolic authority that determined what is and is not Scripture. We need the authority of the Catholic Church to tell us what belongs in the Bible in the first place.

      • Pablo316

        First thanks for acknowledging my sincerety in encouraging the people to take stock of their faith in God by going back to the truth of God’s word – the Bible.
         
        While I admit that not everything is written in the Bible, as the Bible itself admits as it is written:
         
        ”The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.” (Deuteronomy 29:29)
         
        Again:
         
        ”Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” (John 21:25)
         
        The purpose of it being written, as in the first quote above, is for those things that were written be obeyed and be believed for our own salvation, thus the Bible says:
         
        ”Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:30-31)
         
        Holding on to what the Bible only teaches was derived in the above verses as well as in the following verses (to cite a few of those who immediately came into my mind though I am sure there will be more) which specifically tells us to stick to what were written and taught by the prophets and the apostles:
         
        “Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” (1 Corinthians 4:6)
         
        “But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:14-17)
         
        “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!” (Galatians 1:8-9)
         
        “If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.” (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
         
         
        “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:18)
         
        “Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.” (Matthew 22:29)
         
        “It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.” (Luke 16:17)
         
        “There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.” (John 12:48)
         
        “The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one shepherd. Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.” (Ecclesiastes 12:11-12)
         
        Having said that, one test would be to see whether this oral traditions or whatever new revelations that purport itself to be coming from God, is to see whether they jibe or in harmony with what was already revealed. For I believe God is consistent and so is the Holy Spirit. With this in mind we can put everything to the test.

    • batangpaslit

      Kapatid, slowly and graduallY the Spirit of Truth would permeate the heirarchy in the Roman Catholic Church and soon the rest of the parishioners will recognize that the false teachings they receive need to be exorcised too.
      I once had a business associate whose Dad is the former Ambassador to the Vatican.
      His inquisitiveness in seeking true worship led him to met a brother in the faith who  encouraged him to read the Book of Hebrews.

      My business associate devoured the book the whole evening and bawled over while reading the Book. In the last 44 years of his life, he had been worshipping idols in a supposedly church founded by Jesus Christ.
      In the midst of his readings, the LORD, encountered him.
      With his new found faith—-his zeal and joy, prodded him to share the Truth to Gary Valenciano.
      Like him, my business associate, Gary and his wife, forego sleeping when they got hold of the Book of Hebrews.
      The couple were so absorbed of what they read.
      The duo embraced Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit pointed out to them what true worship is.
      That GOD wanted to be worship in spirit and in truth—not through the veneration of dead saints and worhsip of idols.
      For we worship GOD by faith, and not/not by sight.
      The LORD bless you, Kapatid, for taking a stand with the Truth.

      On another note, yes, I am involved too in healing and deliverance ministry. I never underestimated the power of Lucifer. The perpetration and perpetuation of lies is so massive that many were and still are decieved.
      But my confidence rest in the fact that He who is in us is far more powerful than any forces in this universe.
      When the LORD healed me from Leukemia—-Cancer of the Blood—is just one of the many miraculous powers I experienced from the true Living GOD.
      May the name of GOD be indeed praised!

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Batang Paslit: Can you answer the following questions?
        10. Where is the term altar call in the Bible?9. Where is the term Rapture in the Bible?8. Where is the term premillenialism in the Bible?7. Where is the term total immersion in the Bible?6. Where is the term eternal security in the Bible?5. Where is the term King James Version in the Bible?4. Where is the term sola scriptura in the Bible?3. Where is the term total depravity in the Bible?2. Where is the term faith alone in the Bible? (Only in James 2:24, where it is rejected) 
        And the #1 question Fundamentalists find most annoying…
         1. Where is the term Bible in the Bible?Post to Facebook

      • Pablo316

        Hello bro, just read your comment, thanks for sharing encouraging stories, indeed for us who are already believers in the Lord Jesus we need to mutually encourage one another to finish the race of faith laid down before us. God bless you too kapatid!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XFUU4BQW7RATWSWTK2PTWBMD6U Boy

    If its the buddha that’s keeping them inspired in their business or the manghihilot that could cure their sickness or the manghuhula that will give them motivation to continue look positive in one’s future, let us not deny them these benefits. It’s their faith that is keeping them alive. Same thing with the R. Catholic as this religion gives hope to the hopefuls.

  • pinoycrabbypatty

    Ipokrito! Ano ung mga anito na nasa loob ng simbahan? ung mga rebulto na ipinaparada pa?

    • stevewhiteraven

      kung ano sa tingin mo ang estatwa ni Maria at statues ni Jesus sa krus ang mga ito ng mga idolo ng mas maraming bilang ng mga statues ng Buddha o pagpipinta ng aking diyosa hecate

      • pinoycrabbypatty

        ang estatwa ay estatwa.

    • batangpaslit

      noted and acknowledged….you have a point, Pinoy

      • pinoycrabbypatty

        thanks dude…just one of many points the RCC doesn’t want to answer.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Bakit mo ba pinagsisiksikan saming mga katoliko ang paratang mo?? Nakakatawa ka na ha. If you kneel before and kiss the bible, is that Bibliolatry? Ikaw ata ang ipokrito. Masyado kang mapanghusga. Anong sekta ka ba kaanib? 

      • pinoycrabbypatty

        Are you a zealot?
        Hindi mo naman sinagot mga tanong ko eh. Ulitin ko…Ano ung mga anito na nasa loob ng simbahan? ung mga rebulto na ipinaparada pa?

  • JLFS

    This intolerance to other beliefs is the cause of the Protestant-Catholic war, the inquisition, the crusades and the witch hunts. Leave others to believe what they like, they have the same right to believe what they want as you are.

  • gregandymar

    A very inspiring and well-written article about our faith. Faith is not compulsory, but to those who have true faith, they truly experience the love, goodness, and protection from God.  

  • stealth ice

    dont worship something made of gold. only ivory. hahaha. what a hypocrite?

    • batangpaslit

      It is indeed tough when the “talk” do not jibe with the “walk”.
      The talk do not ring true—-it is holow and empty.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      It is you who is the hypocritical. Self-righteous kuno.

  • stealth ice

    personally its’ the immorality committed by the church’s leaders who are driving people’s faith away from the Lord. like the pervert, the child molesters, those who go to the night clubs to have some fun with the girls, those who violate the vow of chastity. these are the cause of unfaithfulness.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Stealth Ice: You are a holy cow?! The blessed untainted stealth ice? What a way to exult yourself. Pointing your fingers to others, remember that the remaining four fingers are pointed towards you. Don’t judge your brethren. You are not God.

      • stealth ice

        hehehe. sorry lou. when i point at something or at somebody i make it a point to use my five fingers. hihihi. sorry if i have a negative comments to your boyfriend.

  • stevewhiteraven

    And they worshiped in towers of ivory a mile high surrounded by the bones of the unbeleivers while satan laughed

    • batangpaslit

      Steve, how I desire to see a white raven? How does it look?
      Chuckles…

      • stevewhiteraven

        White ravens look like this (yes they real exist) http://theravenspire.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/white-ravens.html

      • stevewhiteraven

        i sent a reply but seems because it had a link it didnt get published it was only a link to a picture of a white raven …but if you look on the internet search there are lots of pictures and even films of white ravens :-)

  • LouBlessed2bCatholic

    Anti-Catholics are having a field day in this comment section. Tsk.
    Tsk. Wow naman. Feeling ang gagaling at ang tatalino! Basta lang makabanat at
    makapanira. Mga mapang-api ng kapwa. Subukan nyo gawin yan sa
    mga Muslim at sa relihiyong Islam. Tingnan ko lang kung saan kayo pulutin. Mga
    duwag! Ang gagaling nyong manira ng ibang relihiyon. These anti-catholics are happily singing their lies all throughout the day! Oh great, you, self-righteous people! 

  • flewen

    many people in here have no common sense or pretentious or just jealous to the Catholic faith.

    You are wasting your time commenting in this article, if you are not rich, then you wasted Php15.00 ruining the comment section. If you are rich, just go help the poor. seem these anti catholics in here are fond of bashing the Church and misrepresent the article posted.

    Why not let Catholics talk to nominal catholics and not you who are some kinda evil that tries to lurk in this Catholic-related article.

     ”Verbum enim crucis pereuntibus quidem stultitia est : iis autem qui salvi fiunt, id est nobis, Dei virtus est.”

    God bless

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/M46JUNB4EXTUZOBVNG6D2GL3ZY NixonE

      Masakit po talaga ang katotohanan..

  • opinyonlangpo

    Is it so hard to accept that each and everyone at some point in their lives have experienced kneeling down and praying in front of statues? Hypocrites have difficulty admitting to this fact.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Opinyonlangpo: Hypocrites? Wow ambigat na salita. I have difficulty accepting something that’s NOT true. Opinyon mo lang yan. Ikaw ang ipokrito sa tingin ko dahil masyado kang self-righteous.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/M46JUNB4EXTUZOBVNG6D2GL3ZY NixonE

         Masakit po talaga ang katotohonan.. 

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        NixonE: Opinyon lang mo yan. Dahil wala kang alam.

      • Miguel

        Hahaha! Talaga? Masayang masaya nga kaming mga Catholics na marami kaming santo na hinihingan namin ng tulong at tumutulong sa amin. Sa sobrang saya namin, lalo kaming dumadami sa buong mundo.  Kaya me naiinggit na sa amin katulad nyo mga Protestante.  Kayo lang naman nagpuputak at nagrereklamo dito tungkol sa mga santo at ibang Catholic beliefs and practices. Imagine, naghihirap pa kayo magpost at manglait dito ng mga Catholics kahit itong news na to ay mainly for Catholics.  So sino ngayon ang naiinggit at nasasaktan nagmamayagpag pa rin ang Catholic Church for 2000 years now?  Habang kayo, hindi pa nga kayo umabot ata ng 100 years, ay sobrang watak watak na ngayon.  Sobrang 30,000 na nga kayong hati hati na sekta di ba?  Hehehehe.  

      • opinyonlangpo

        Here is one.

    • batangpaslit

      Bro, the work of the Devil is to cause spiritual blindness even among the churchgoers.
      Unless the church parishioners would humble themselves and seek the Truth, they would remain spiritual blind till Kingdom come.

      • Miguel

        Sino kaya ang spiritually blind?: (1) the Catholic Church who had existed for 2000 years since the time of Jesus, presently the biggest religion all over the world, with over 1 billion members and still growing stronger,  or (2) the Protestant denominations/sects (kung saan kaanib si batangpaslit) which originated only in 16th century, are so divided among themselves that they now number more than 33,000 sects and still counting?

    • Miguel

      Excuse me pero masayang  masaya kami sa  Catholic beliefs and practices namin.  Ikaw masaya ka ba sa religion mo? Kung masaya ka, bakit ka nakisawsaw dito sa isang news na para sa mga Katoliko?  Ang taong mahilig manira at mang atake ng ibang religion ay isang taong insecure at hindi masaya sa religion nya.  Kaya kung ako ikaw, magpakatotoo ka at atupagin mo sarili mong sekta, okay?

    • Miguel

      Excuse me pero masayang  masaya kami sa  Catholic beliefs and practices namin.  Ikaw masaya ka ba sa religion mo? Kung masaya ka, bakit ka nakisawsaw dito sa isang news na para sa mga Katoliko?  Ang taong mahilig manira at mang atake ng ibang religion ay isang taong insecure at hindi masaya sa religion nya.  Kaya kung ako ikaw, magpakatotoo ka at atupagin mo sarili mong sekta, okay?

    • Miguel

      Excuse me pero masayang  masaya kami sa  Catholic beliefs and practices namin.  Ikaw masaya ka ba sa religion mo? Kung masaya ka, bakit ka nakisawsaw dito sa isang news na para sa mga Katoliko?  Ang taong mahilig manira at mang atake ng ibang religion ay isang taong insecure at hindi masaya sa religion nya.  Kaya kung ako ikaw, magpakatotoo ka at atupagin mo sarili mong sekta, okay?

      • opinyonlangpo

        What is wrong with what I wrote? Why are you so defensive? This is a public forum, and you want to monopolize it, who gave you the right? And I did not attack the catholic religion, it is the catholic priest Father Syquia. Apparently you did not understand the article and you are barking at the wrong tree.

    • ApoNiLolo

      Mabigat na paratang itong binitiwan mong salita. A lot of people don’t adhere to this kind of belief and a lot of people don’t kneel, much more pray, in front of statues. To generalize a supposition is unfair.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Then you must not be a catholic.

      • ApoNiLolo

        hehehe… one need not be affiliated to any religious organization to observe and analyze if a statement has a semblance of truth or just another conjecture. And btw, I’m a Catholic by birth until I discovered Spinoza’s “enlightenment”. >: D

      • opinyonlangpo

        Then my first statement applies. The first they teach you is how to kneel down and pray in front of . . .

      • ApoNiLolo

        You still don’t get it, do you? I’m not talking about myself or my experience but about your general statement assuming “each and everyone” did kneel and pray in front of a statue.

        As I said, not “each and everyone” practices the way Catholics supplicates, ergo, not “each and everyone” kneels and pray in front of a statue. Got that?

    • Guest

      Mabigat na paratang itong binitiwan mong salita. A lot of people don’t adhere to this kind of belief and a lot of people don’t kneel, much more pray, in front of statues. To generalize a supposition is unfair.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Then you must not be a catholic.

  • batangpaslit

    Priest Francisco Syquia said it right about occultism and worship of idols are acts tgat are abomination before the sight of GOD.
    I just wonder what the graven images are that decorate the walls of many RC churches? Are those not carvings of dead idols, yet being venerated and worshipped?

    • flewen

       what? bakit nahalo agad ang worship? have you read the cathecism about it?

      • batangpaslit

        Aran, what is the end purpose of man? Is it not to worship the Creator?
        Repeating myself, Kabayan, I have nothing against “traditions” or whatever “cathecism” you have; provided, it does not contradict what the inspired written Word of GOD says.
        The Scriptures, is the inspired written Word of God. But, the Christ Jesus, is, of course, the Living Word of GOD.
        In my repartee to Lou, if he is indeed sincere in seeking the Truth, I encouraged himm to read the Book of Hebrews.
        Aran, your loyalty must rest with the One who laid His life to save you, save us, from our sinfulness in order that you and I and others who repented of their sins and turned to GOD, would enjoy life eternal.
        Discard whatever false teachings you received. Examine for yourself, firsthand, what the Scriptures say about faith, about true worship, about idolatry.
        A true believer of the true Living GOD spend time to investigate the Truth, and does not rely on passed on false teachings.
        If the teaching is true, in accordance to the Scritptures, take it. Test it, taste it.
        If it is false, then, by all means—-renounce it, drop it.
        Lies come from the Devil.
        But Jesus Christ is the “..the Way, the Life, the Truht”.
        No religion could save humankind. But, Christ can!

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Batang Paslit: You may be sincere but I’m sorry I do not subscribe to your belief on SOLA SCRIPTURA. I love God dearly but I will not abandon the ship of Peter. Did the Book of Hebrews told you to leave the Church? I bet that’s only your OWN INTERPRETATION. 

        I love Jesus more than anyone or anything! Wala tayong pagtatalunan dyan.

        But to say na kayo lang ang magaling at mga Katoliko ay devil worshippers, sa tingin ko kayo ay mga mapanghusgang tao. Who are you to judge your brethren?

      • pinoycrabbypatty

        “I love God dearly but I will not abandon the ship of Peter.” -sweet!

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Bakit mo ba pinagsisiksikan saming mga katoliko ang paratang mo?? Nakakatawa ka ha. Anong sekta ka ba kaanib? 

      • batangpaslit

        Lou, I am catholic too in my spiritual faith; but, am not a parishioner of Roman Catholic Church.
        In my other posts, I indicated that since the Spirit of Truth encountered me, I renounced my sectarian affiliation.
        Why?
        The LORD Jesus Christ did not establish a religion. The LORD established His church that the gates of Hell could not prevail over it.
        I came from a pagan family. Repeating what I shared in other posts, my great grandafather was a sorcerer. Hence, I am familiar what the RCC priest Syquia said about sorcery and occultism—-devil worship.
        I was a young child and my kins who are parishioners would bring me to the wooden images and kiss the feet of “Mary”. That I have to worship her because she is the “Mother of GOD”.
        But when I grew up and got a copy of the Bible when I was 9, I started to read it.
        It was through the reading of the entire Scriptures in my adult years that the LORD Jesus Christ encountered me.
        In my spiritual walk with Jesus and journey in the faith with the aid of the Holy Spirit, I receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that endued me the spiritual power to drive out demons that oppressed human beings.
        I preach no religion.
        I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I profess no other gods, beside the true Creator.
        I believe in one GOD residing in Three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
        The message of salvation is simple and true. Christ simply said, “follow me”.
        This is the same message I relish sharing: Look at the face of Jesus, not the face of the graven image that decorates the walls of some so called churches.
        The Jewish Synagogue do not have any graven images, neither the Mosques have one.
        Man made gods are detestable before the sight of the true Living GOD.
        Read the Book of Hebrews and you will find what I mean.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        @batangpaslit:

        SO WALA KA PALANG RELIGION. KAYA NAMAN PALA. BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BASH OTHER PEOPLE’S FAITH. IT’S CONTRARY TO MORAL LAW.

        Christ left a Church to teach,
        govern, and sanctify in His name
        until the end of time.  To reject that authority is to
        reject Christ and His Gospel.  We
        Catholics accept the Bible as an authority in matters of faith because it is
        the inspired Word of God.  However,
        we cannot accept it as the only rule
        of faith for the following reasons.   

        Sola Scriptura? It goes against the BIBLE.  Scripture tells us clearly
        that Christ left a Church with divine
        authority to govern in His
        name (Mt 16:13-20, 18: 18; Lk 10:16). 
        Christ promised that this Church would last until the end of time (Mt 16:18, 28:19-20; Jn 14:16).  Also, the Bible clearly tells us that Sacred Tradition is to be followed alongside Sacred Scripture (2 Thess
        2:15).

        The doctrine of sola scriptura is
        not found in Scripture.  In fact, the Bible claims that you
        need more than just the Bible alone (2 Pet 1:20-21, 3:15-16).  The Bible tells us that not everything Jesus said and did is recorded in Scripture
        (John 21:25) and that we must also hold fast to oral tradition, the preached
        Word of God (1 Cor 11:2, 1 Pet
        1:25).  Finally, the Bible assures
        us that the Church is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15).

        Sola Sciptura goes against HISTORY.  The history of the Bible
        shows us that it was the Church exercising its Apostolic authority that
        determined what is and is not Scripture. 
        We need the AUTHORITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH to tell us what belongs in the Bible in the first place!

        The Bible itself said it can be misinterpreted. That’s the folly of those who want to interpret it their way without the guide of the Magisterium of the Church. It has over 2.000 years of wisdom. Kung ikaw magbabasa at sarili mo lang pagkakaintindi, anong kasiguruhang tama ka, baka katulad ka ng isang nagtayo ng sekta na sinabing anak daw sya ng Diyos. Kaya maraming denominations ngayon dahil kanya-kanyang sariling interpretasyon. Do you know that there are over 60,000 different denominations. Too bad. The Lord does not want that confusion. That’s Sola Scriptura for you.

      • batangpaslit

        Lou, read again my postings.
        Could you point out to me that I cited “Sola Scriptura”?
        I may assert the supremacy of the Scriptures in terms of spiritual teachings, not SOLE authority.
        Repeating myself, the Scriptures is the inspired written Word of GOD.
        Jesus Christ is the Living Word of GOD.
        Again, reiterating my point. I have nothing against “tradition”, provided, the tradition is not opposed or contrary to the teachings as recorded in the Scriptures.
        Wisdom?
        Draw your wisdom from GOD, not from men.
        Religion, sect?
        Did Jesus Christ established a religion, or a religious sect?
        My religion is to do good works—visit the prisoners, feed the hungry, comfort the sick.
        But I do not rely on my good works to gain entry to Heaven.
        I entrusted my life to Jesus Christ, who offered His life at the Cross of Calvary to ransom many, including you.
        But if you rely in your religion to save you, you are in a state of delusion.
        Whatever teachings you receive that your religion could save you is clearly false instructions.
        Read, study, meditate on the Scriptures with the aid of the Holy Spirit and you will discover Truth from false religious teachings.
        Tell me if you how to enjoy the presence of GOD in the everlasting life.
        I do not know, if you could profess and confess that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?
        The fact that you disdain the Scriptures, it is an evidence that you received false teachings how to properly worship the Living GOD.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Batang Paslit: Who told you that I disdain Scriptures?? But to use it to malign other people’s faith/religion is the worst self-righteous thing to do, man. You seem to believe that you are the real worshipper of Christ because you read the Bible. Too bad. You, self-righteous. That’s Bibliolatry!

      • Miguel

        Sa totoo lang, nagkukunwari at nagbabalatkayo lang itong si batangpaslit.  Catholic daw sya in his spiritual faith pero hindi raw sya parishioner of the Roman Catholic Church.  Whoa, labo ah. Ano kaya ibig sabihin nun?  Pero kahit Catholic sya in his spiritual faith, nilalait at sinisiraan nya ang Catholic Church at mga practices nito. Tapos, ang mga tanong nya at atake nya laban sa Catholic Church ay parehong mga tanong at atake ng Protestants laban sa Catholics.  Ang mga interpretations nya sa bible ay Protestant approach.  Ito lang masasabi ko sayo batangpaslit, huwag kang DUWAG! Magpapakatotoo ka! Isa kang duwag at nagbabalatkayong Catholic pero die hard Protestant talaga!

      • Miguel

        Sa totoo lang, nagkukunwari at nagbabalatkayo lang itong si batangpaslit.  Catholic daw sya in his spiritual faith pero hindi raw sya parishioner of the Roman Catholic Church.  Whoa, labo ah. Ano kaya ibig sabihin nun?  Pero kahit Catholic sya in his spiritual faith, nilalait at sinisiraan nya ang Catholic Church at mga practices nito. Tapos, ang mga tanong nya at atake nya laban sa Catholic Church ay parehong mga tanong at atake ng Protestants laban sa Catholics.  Ang mga interpretations nya sa bible ay Protestant approach.  Ito lang masasabi ko sayo batangpaslit, huwag kang DUWAG! Magpapakatotoo ka! Isa kang duwag at nagbabalatkayong Catholic pero die hard Protestant talaga!

      • Miguel

        Sa totoo lang, nagkukunwari at nagbabalatkayo lang itong si batangpaslit.  Catholic daw sya in his spiritual faith pero hindi raw sya parishioner of the Roman Catholic Church.  Whoa, labo ah. Ano kaya ibig sabihin nun?  Pero kahit Catholic sya in his spiritual faith, nilalait at sinisiraan nya ang Catholic Church at mga practices nito. Tapos, ang mga tanong nya at atake nya laban sa Catholic Church ay parehong mga tanong at atake ng Protestants laban sa Catholics.  Ang mga interpretations nya sa bible ay Protestant approach.  Ito lang masasabi ko sayo batangpaslit, huwag kang DUWAG! Magpapakatotoo ka! Isa kang nagbabalatkayong Catholic pero duwag na Protestant ka talaga!

      • batangpaslit

        Miguel, let us discuss:
        One, how do you understand the term “catholic”.
        Can’t you differentiate Roman Catholic Church, from the word “catholic” as stand alone term?
        Two, yes, I protest against the false teachings of the church that claims to be of Christian sect, be it Protestant Denominations (Methodist, Presbyterians, Lutherans), Roman Catholic Church, Iglesia ni Kristo, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witness, Church of God, Anglicans, Episcopalians, and the like—if their teaching does not square of the Scriptures say.
        There is no such thing as Protestant or Roman Catholic Church approach in interpreting the Scriptures.
        Have you studied the discipline of Hermeneutics—the art and science of correct understanding and interpretation of ancient writings?
        That in order to have a proper and right application of the passage you have to have the right observation to arrive to a right interpretation?
        Three, my belief in one GOD, but resides in Three Persons is the doctrinal belief too of the Roman Catholic Church.
        Does that make me a Roman Catholic Church parishioner because I share similarly the belief that the Roman Catholic Church hold?
        Three, you call me “duwag”?
        May duwag bang nangpupuna ng kamalian? Ang duwag, kahit nadenggoy na, hindi pa mag reklamo.
        Ikaw, Miguel, ang tunay na duwag. Kasi, kahit mali ang mga tinuturo sa ‘yo, tinatanggap mo. You are even spreading the false teaching.
        You do not have the will and the courage to investigate and find out the Truth. You don’t have the courage because you are scared of the threat of excommnication.
        You do not know Scriptures because you are scared to disover the Truth that the teachings you are propagating is demonic and false.
        I was a pagan.
        I was disinherited of our clan when I embraced Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour.
        When I was young, my Aunts and kins’ would bring me to church and kiss the feet of the graven wooden idol.
        I was told she is the Mother of GOD.
        In my young mind, I quizzed my Aunts. If GOD is GOD, how come she has a Mother?
        Ano ang sagot nila sa akin?
        Pinalo ako, sinampal, at hindi pinakain.
        I grew up in a paganistic manner of worshipping a god that has ears, but could not hear; a god that has mouth but could not speak.
        I have the courage to get out from the religious system that teaches and practices falsehood.

        Priest Syquia is right.
        He is your Roman Catholic Church priest—go after him. I agree with him.
        Do not believe me—-believe your own priest who discovered the Truth in his search for Truth.
        But in your case, Miguel, if you keep on perpetuating and perpetrating your lies, you do not only deceive many. But, I say your god is not the Holy One; but, your god is Lucifer, the Father of Lies
        Kung duwag ako…hindi ko kayang sabihin sa ‘yo na ang Ama mo ay ang manlilinlang na Satanas.
        The proper way of worshipping GOD is to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. We do not walk by sight, which you are falsely teaching to the parishioners you deceived.
        Examine the Scriptures and find out for yourself kung sino ang duwag sa ating dalawa.
        I do not suffer lies, neither I would tolerate falsehood.
        You don’t even know how to enter eternal Paradise and live forever.
        If you are going to die tonight, do you know where you are going to spend your eternity?
        If you do, tell me how.
        Let us examine the Scriptures if your information is correct, or erroneous.
        Let us not just discuss—but, let us debate to dig out the Truth.

    • opinyonlangpo

      Hypocrites can not just accept that, in fact they will try to reason it out and justify it.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NIHSGQRLMFSZVA42LTJWDW5VQ4 rosenda

      Isa ka sa mga tumitira sa  mga paniniwala naming mga katoliko. I really wonder why..at anong makukuha mo sa mga ginagawa mo. May satisfaction ka ba na nakukuha o masaya ka ba na may relihiyon kang tinatapakan at nilalait? Hindi lang sapat na basahin mo yung Bibliya..isabuhay mo rin sana. Huwag mong gamitin ang bibliya para sirain ang aming relihiyon. At the end of the day, alam mo sa konsensya mo kung tama ba ang ginagawa mo. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/B6TPC4O7JWKQ6ZY72O3VTSKCPY milesawayman

    OK guys! Show me any authentic catholic church document which says that we must worship the graven images as other god? The Catholic Church teaches us to worship ONLY ONE GOD. The TRIUNE GOD. We do not worship GRAVEN IMAGES. That’s one of the FALSE ACCUSATIONS from NON-CATHOLICS. The GRAVEN IMAGES of the CATHOLICS are only REMINDERS / REPRESENTATION of GOD and His works. No single verse in the bible that forbids us to create GRAVEN IMAGES to serve as REPRESENTATION of GOD and His works. Actually, God Himself commanded Moses to create GRAVEN IMAGES in Exodus 25:18 & Numbers 21:8. Read the bible and history please…. lol :)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/M46JUNB4EXTUZOBVNG6D2GL3ZY NixonE

      Review the first 4 commandments in the Bible the original ten not the version of cathechism. Father Syquia even admitted that placing Sto. Nino side by side with Budha is a kind of taboo and not fit for Christianity. How about mother mary and other Saints? “You shall not make any graven image and don’t vow down on it”, that’s clear in the commandment.

      • frescoedechoes

        There’s a difference between idolatry and veneration.  These instruments that assist us in our prayers are not being worshipped.  We do not pray to these inanimate objects directly nor do we use them as amulets. 

        It is easier to ask for prayers from someone we can visualize in our heads.  So if we have a statue or a picture of a saint as a tangible representation of him/her and then ask for this saint’s intercession, there is nothing wrong with that.  You totally mislead people by barking idolatry when it is in fact not being committed.  You only need to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to understand this.  However, since your only objective is Church defamation you cannot be bothered to do this.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CC6RGRA4KZAH4EKZ4ZA23GI5RY kiehm

        What? nothing wrong in representing God/Jesus? sinabi na nga walang graven images ka kapareho sa lupa at sa langit..

      • jin2012

        The official language of the Church was Latin for hundreds of years, as this was the language of the Western Roman Empire.

        Geology is derived from the Latin words “geo” meaning earth and “logia” meaning study and originated in the 18th century.
        But you probably already know that.

        Catholic is derived from  the Latin word “catholicus” which means “universal” and originated in the 14th century.
        But you probably already know that.

        Veneration is derived from the Latin word “veneratus” which means “to reverence, worship” and originated in the 15th century.

        It is clear, VENERATION = WORSHIP.

        Veneration of Saints = Bowing before their images of wood = Worship!

        Start worshiping the Living God, and not images of people!

      • batangpaslit

        You said it. You are very courageous, Nixon, to expose the truth, sieve from false beliefs.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        NixonE: Your ignorance shows. Obviously, you just rely again on YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION. Did you study Church History? Eh kung masaba ko sayo ang mga sitas ng Bibliya na nagpapatunay na sa loob ng templo sa Jerusalem ay may mga statues and images. Dare? 

      • ApoNiLolo

        “Eh kung masaba ko sayo ang mga sitas ng Bibliya na nagpapatunay na sa loob ng templo sa Jerusalem ay may mga statues and images.”

        Irrelevant. Argumentum ad antiquitatem. NixonE was referring to Christian beliefs and practice. You’re giving evidence about a place where Judaism was practiced.

    • batangpaslit

      Miles…re teaching to “worship the graven image”, how about the venaration of dead saints; the assignment of Mary as Mediatrix between GOD and man; ascribing her as the “Mother of GOD”?
      Where in the Scriptures that it assert that Mary is the mediatrix? Where in the Scriptures did it claim that Mary is the Mother of God?
      Mary, even worshipped Jesus, the foetus she carried in her womb? And why woulld she be worshipped as Mother of GOD when she, Mary, is simply the vessel that GOD in His inscrutible wisdom annointed her?
       
      Maybe, as you opined you have not read RCC cathecism that has explicit teaching of worshipping “other god”.
      But, in practice, what do you do?
      You and many of your fellow parishioners worship graven images and man made gods.
      That is the deception that I renounced, since such demonic practices are abomination before the sight of GOD.
       
      Now, let us tackle Exodus and Numbers as you indited here:
       
      Miles, I appreciate your ability to cite passages from the Scriptures that has bearing on our discussion on the issue of idol worship.
      I wonder, however, if you have studied Hermeneutics, the art and science of correct interpretation of ancient writings.
      Examining in the context the passages you cited, you find the carving of two cherubims is a direct instructions from the Creator to symbolize GOD’s presence and kingship among His people on earth. Cherubims are angelic beings who hover around GOD’s throne in Heaven.
      But, GOD, did not tell the people of Israel to worship the graven cherubims. The message is to constantly remind His people of His presence; but, not/not to worship those images.

      Regarding Numbers 21:8, study the passage in the larger context to understand what the symbolism stands for. If you investigate the New Covenant, you will read, in the Book of John Chapter 3, Verses 14-15, the book cited this passage in Numbers.
      Now, how do you interpret the explanation written in the Book of John?
      Have you heard of the term Typology?

      Miles, if you wrongly interpret the Scriptures, you will arrive to wrong applications.
      You wrongly interpret the passage of the Scriptures because your observation is wrong.
      When you “read in” your bias to justify your wrong interpretation, it is not far fetch you will end up wrong in your understanding of the passage you read.
      When studyng the sacred writings, you ought to “read out” what the author meant when he wrote it.
      The Scriptures cannot be grasped by your intellect alone.
      To understand the inspired written Word of GOD, you need the illumination of the true Author, who is none other but the Holy Spirit.
      Call upon the aid of the Holy One as you study the Scriptures. If your search is earnest, the Author of Life would honor your prayer.
      But if you are arrogand and proud, you will never have the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.
      I came from a pagan religious system, hence, I am fully concious what syncrenistic worship is: mixture of biblical truth and demomic worship practices.
      This is an attempt of Lucifer to destroy the work of GOD—spread lies how to worship the true Creator.
      Read the Book of Hebrews and see for yourself what is true worship and what is deceptive faith.

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        Batang Paslit: Paulit-ulit ka. Do you even read the several posts here explaining/answering your accusations? The trouble with you is that you only want to listen to what you say and do not want to listen to the answer of people you are accusing of. THAT’S ABSURD. If that’s the case, if you do not even listen to what we have to say. Di mo pwedeng ipagplilitan ang paniniwala mo sa iba, dahil iba ang pagkakaintindi mo. Mas marunong ka pa ba kay Thomas Aquinas? ang galing mo naman. You are basing your discourse in YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION! 

        You say, the Bible alone is the Word of God. Where does
        Scripture tells us that “God’s word” can and must only be in written form,
        typed on paper or parchment? If that is so, why was the printing press invented only in the 15th century when our Lord wants each and every one of us to have a printed Bible as a sole rule of our faith?

        Jesus Christ himself never wrote anything down (other than that
        unknown word on the ground), and it was not recorded that he ever commissioned
        his followers to write everything down.

        But, did Jesus promise us an authoritative Church? Yes and so
        did the Apostles (1 Tim 3:15). When did St. Paul’s spoken words ceased being the word of God? After the sound-wave vibrations fell from the air? How would God preserve his spoken word? It is through the tradition in the heart of the Church! These are just basic truths and it’s amazing that Protestants missed them for so long and why others are blind to them.

        Credit goes to Steve Ray on this one. (Crossing the Tiber, 1997)

        How dare you say that we are wrong and you are right? Wow. That’s self-righteousness to the highest level.

      • ApoNiLolo

        Now, there’s the caveat. According to what you wrote, one will never understand the true meaning of “the inspired written Word of God” if one is “arrogant” and “proud”.

        Hypothetically, what if one possesses an analytical mind, did his researched, found inconsistency and discovered forgery and concluded fraudulence within the scriptures? Will one be considered arrogant and proud as well?

        Doesn’t that sound arrogant and self-righteous to brand one as arrogant and proud just because one does not believe another persons belief on a lone premise that one does not comprehend the “true meaning of God’s word”? >: D

    • jin2012

      Veneration = originated in 15th century from the Latin word veneratus which means worship.

      Refer to the Catholic Canon Law 1186-1190 and 1159-1162, also the Decree of Second Council of Nicea 787, Council of Trent 25th session. I will post one from those:  ”Can.  1187 It is permitted to reverence through public veneration only those servants of God whom the authority of the Church has recorded in the list of the saints or the blessed.”  I should add, Pope Benedict XVI in 2009 tried to explain/defend veneration of images: Refer to the works of St. John Damascene 7th century, these are the first attempts to legitimize the veneration of sacred images by associating images with Jesus and Mary. (ref: catholicnewsagency . com)

      God commanded specifically commanded Moses to build cherubs for the Ark.
      God did not command anyone to build images of Mary, Jesus, Calungsod!
      God is very clear:

      Isaiah 42:8
      My name is YAHWEH [יהוה, YHWH, The LORD], I will not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.

      Leviticus 26:1
      You must make no idols; you must setup neither carved image nor standing stone, setup no sculptured stone in your hand, to prostrate yourselves in front of it, for it is I YAHWEH who am your God.

      Deuteronomy 6
      4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our God, YAHWEH is one.[a] 5 Love YAHWEH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 

      Stop worshiping images of people made of wood
      and start worshiping the Living God instead!

      • LouBlessed2bCatholic

        JIN2012: Since you used Bible verses, I will also use Bible verses to answer your accusations. Credit goes to Fr. Abe Arganiosa for this one. Read carefully to enlighten you.

        THE ACCUSATION:

        Dt 4:15 – Protestants
        say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make
        graven images of Him.

        Dt. 4:16 – of course,
        in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t
        yet reveal himself in the “form of any figure.” Hence, had the Israelites
        depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form
        of beast, bird, reptile, fish, etc which as a commong error at those times.

         

        Ex 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Mt 3:16; Mk 1:10; Lk 3:22; Jn 1:32; Acts 2:3-
        later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a
        dove, fire, etc).

         

        Dt 5:8 – God’s
        commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely
        connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used
        in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.

         

        The RESPONSE:

        1. From ancient time
        our forefathers have used material things to worship God.

        Gen 35: 14 Jacob set
        up a Pillar of Stone and consecrated it with oil in honor of Yahweh.

         

        2. The Bible does not
        forbid image-making absolutely. God Himself commanded in the Sacred Scriptures
        that statues and images were to be made. The Bible even attests that the Images
        and Designs of the Sanctuary were shown to Moses by Yahweh on Mt. Sinai (Ex
        26:30).

        Ex 25:18-22- God
        commands the making of the image of a Golden Cherubims. This heavenly image, of
        course, was not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their
        minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. But THE MOST HOLY PLACE of the
        temple WAS UNDER THE WINGS OF THE CHERUBIMS (Ex 26: 34/1 kgs 8: 6-7).

        Ex 37: 7-9 The Artists
        made Images of Cherubims for the Sanctuary.

        Ex 25: 31-34
        Candlestick with design of Flowers like Almonds and Knop Fruits (Ex
        37:17-21/  Num 8: 4)

        Ex 26:1 Temple Linen
        Curtains (10) with images of Cherubims.

        Ex 26:31 The Veil of
        the Tabernacle with images of Cherubims.

         

        5. The Temple
        constructed by Solomon according to the plan of God had various Images 
        & works of arts.

        1 Kgs 6:18 The cedar
        of the temple is carved with Knops (Fruit) and open Flowers

        I Kgs 6:23-28 Wooden
        Cherubim covered with gold

        1 Kgs 6: 29 Carved
        figures of Cherubims, Palm Trees & Open Flowers on the walls in and out of
        the Temple. [1 Kgs 7:49]

        1 Kgs 6: 32,35 Temple
        Doors carved with Cherubims, Palm Trees and Flowers laminated with gold.

        1 Kgs 7: 19, 22 The
        Chapiters of the Temple were designed with Lily flowers.

        1 Kgs 7: 20 The
        Chapiters of the Temple were designed with Pomegranate fruits [200 in rows].
        [In v. 42 There are 400 Pomegranates for two networks].

        1 Kgs 7: 23-26 The
        Molten Sea had been designed under the brim with Knops fruits in two rows. It
        also has Flowers of Lilies.[v. 25 & 44 It stood upon TWELVE STATUES OF
        OXENS]

        1 Kgs 7: 29-33 Images
        of Lions, Oxens, Cherubims, Wheels & Plates. [v. 36]

        1 Kgs 7: 48-49 Golden
        Altar, Golden Table & Golden Candlesticks with Flowers.

        39; 8:6-67 – Solomon’s
        temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God
        did not condemn these images that were used in
        worship.                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                

        2 Kgs 18:4 – it was
        only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God’s wrath,
        and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images
        deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.

        2 Chron 3: 5 Image of
        Fir Tree in gold and also Palm Trees and Chains.

        2 Chron 3: 7-14 – the
        house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid
        with gold.

        1 Chron 28:18-19 -
        David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with 
        golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews’ most solemn place
        of worship.

        Ezek 41:15 – Ezekiel
        describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses
        of     cherubim. These are similar to the images of the
        angels and saints in many Catholic churches.

         

        6. Instead of getting
        angry, Yahweh blessed the Temple filled with Images!

        1 Kgs 9:3 Yahweh
        hallowed the Temple

         

        7. Yahweh filled the
        Sanctuary with His Divine Presence despite the presence of many Images
        contained therein.

        Ex 40:34-38 The
        ‘Shekinah’ Glory filled and covered the Holy Sanctuary.

         

        Col 1:15 – the only
        image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the
        “image” (Greek “eikon”) of the invisible God.

         

        The Bible provided
        other examples of the use of images: Garlands of fruit, flowers and trees were
        carved. The king’s throne rested on carved lions (2 Kgs 10:19-20). Images of
        lions and bulls supported the basins in the temple (1 Kgs 7: 25, 29).

         

        In 1 Kgs 6: 23, 27a,
        29, 30-31 we discover that within the sanctuary of the temple “he made two
        cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high . . . And he set the cherubims
        within the inner house. . . And he carved all the walls of the house round out
        with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and
        without. . . And for the entering of the oracle he made doors of olive tree.
        The two doors also were of olive tree; and he carved upon them carvings of
        cherubims made palm trees and open flowers.” God did not condemn this
        practice, rather he was pleased (1 Kgs 9:3).

         

        The Bible does forbid
        making or using images for the purpose of worshipping them: “you shall not
        bow down to them or serve them” (Ex 20:5). This commandment is absolute.
        God forbids the worship of any idol, including statues, power, sex, money, and
        oneself. However, when Catholics kneel before a crucifix or a statue, the
        posture is a sign of reverence to God not the image.

      • jin2012

        Moses was ordered by God Himself to create those (cherubs).
        Moses did not bow down to those.

        Nowhere in the bible you will find God ordered anyone to create an image of a saint, Mary or Jesus or Calungsod.  Mary is not God, neither are the saints. Yet Catholics bow down before images of them.

        Nowhere in the bible you will find God tolerated bowing down before such images.

        Commandment #1 is very clear, yet the Catholic Church ignores the complete scripture. Read it WORD for WORD and don’t leave out a single letter of the Law.

        Exodus 20
        20 And God spoke all these words: 2 “I am YAHWEH your God, who brought you out of Egypt,out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the YAHWEH your God, am a jealous God,punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        John 1:18 (KJV)
        No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Whatever explanations you give, the hypocrites will try to justify and fight for their beliefs without using their common sense. They will believe only if it comes from Vatican… . whatever they say over there.

    • anu12345

      Iyan nga ang laging criticism ng mga born-against tungkol sa images na dinadasalan. Para lang mga teen-agers na nagko-collect ng pictures ng mga celebrities at inilalagay sa wall.  ‘Tapos ay laging tinitingnan at kinakausap pa siguro dahil sa paghanga sa mga idol nila. Ganun lang iyon. Makikitid ang isip ng mga born against. Tanungin nga nila ang isang devout catholic kung naniniwala siya na sculptured wood na kanyang dinadasalan ay mismong diyos?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CC6RGRA4KZAH4EKZ4ZA23GI5RY kiehm

      Read the bible ka dyan. Si jerome nga may kasalanan ng mali maling salin tapos may gana ka pang magpabasa ng history ng bible. 

  • tonyoks

    distorted?
    baka naman yung mga refrences mo ang distorted…

    sino bang sumulat ng history natin during the spanish era kundi mga kastila rin?

    so kung sa wari mo wala pang epal noon, mali ka…

    syempre isusulat mo ngayon sa mga history books ang kagalingan at kagalang galang ninyong pinag-gagawa kung kayo ang nandoon…. noon….

     distorted???
    ano pa nga ba….

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      Pano di magiging distorted, eh di ba sabi mo Devil personified ka? So bakit pa kame makikinig syo, aber?? Sayang lang ang oras namin.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CC6RGRA4KZAH4EKZ4ZA23GI5RY kiehm

        Devil Personified si Jerome na nagsalin ng biblia na isang Katoliko. Mantakin mo ba namang ginawang masama ang katagang LUCIFER.

        LUCI = LIGHT
        FEROS = BEARER.

        JEROME = LUCIFER = SATAN. ANO TO?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AOJRPOW3T22ADLX6V64J6MC6BI JoseG

    Pareng Syquia, pakipaliwanag nga ito !!!!!  Gawa-gawa lang pala ng mga amo mo ang lahat ng ito.

    The Discovery of Hidden Church Scrolls
    In 1925, a young priest studying in Rome obtained access to a cache of ancient Aramaic and Hebrew scrolls in a locked cupboard in the Secret Archives of the Vatican. The existence of the two of those documents reveals centuries of deceit by the Christian church and provides invaluable new material about the origin of the New Testament. The priest’s name was Edmond Bordeaux Szekely and the scrolls he presented to the world provide dramatic evidence that the writings upon the Christianity stands are not authentic records,but premeditated forgeries.
    Monsignor (Bishop) Angelo Mercati. From 1918, he was ‘primo custode’ of the Vatican Archives and became a prefect in 1925.  He was a noted authority on patristic and scholastic literature in subject pertaining to early church history. He was a learned man and wrote more than a dozen ‘in-house’ books on philosophical and theological subjects for the church. He also wrote many long treaties, miscellaneous essays, and shorter articles usually occasioned by the discovery of  hitherto unknown documents . His job was to analyze old church manuscripts and published detailed summaries of their contents for categorizing in the Inner Library. While the majority of his books are unavailable to the general public they are listed in the Vatican’s Miscellanea Archivistica, and some carry intriguing titles like Peter the Sinner, Lives of the Presbyters, The Divine Julius, and the Private Libraries of the Pope.
    Returning to the Vatican, Szekely discussed his findings with Monsignor Mercati and revealed his new found concerns about the historicity of Jesus Christ and the church portrayal of its early history. Realizing that Szekely was on the path of discovery. Mercati showed him to a locked walk-in cupboard at the end of the corridor leading from the rear of his study. It contained a collection of old scrolls protected by an ‘awesome’ looking Swiss guard and Mercati arranged with the guard for Szekely to have access to the cupboard at his convenience.
    With Monsignor Mercati’s blessing, Szekely systematically took a choice of ‘secret scrolls’ to his abode of an evening and in due course learned from them what he subsequently termed ‘an unutterably precious secret,’ the fasle nature of Christianity. Szekely discussed with Mercati whether he should ‘overlook the evidence of history’ and ‘bury the shame of this discovery’ or depart from the church to reveal the information to others. Monsignor Mercati claimed that he personally withheld the knowledge because of his parent’s devotedness to the church, but felt that in doing so, he had betrayed his own soul. Monsignor Mercati revealed that the cardinals and bishops of the Vatican hierarchy had read his summaries of the hidden scrolls and knew of their contents and existence in the secret vaults. Szekely consequently left the church and extended his education at the Universities of Paris, Vienna and Leipzig, where he became known as Dr. Bordeaux.
    The church confirmed the existence of Secret Archives and revealed that the treasure house of ancient documents is unavailable to the general public.
    The Catholic Encyclopedia states that, “Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest developments are chiefly the New Testament scriptures.” That admission, despite the church being unable to substantiate the authenticity of any of its writings of the stories carried in them, particularly those in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Many of them are almost unreadable and much of what they say is a hotchpotch of crude superstition, credulity and ignorance. By stripping the naivety behind their writings, comments become simply a series of rather curious passages ‘full of the silliest superstitions’ and include a series of later forgeries structured into their works in modern times.
    The two significant manuscripts provide incontrovertible evidence that the church’s presentation of the story of Jesus Christ is false. Found in the Vatican collection were original exemplars of two major New Testament writings and Szekely revealed his knowledge of what they really were by subtly calling one the Essence Gospel of John, and the other the Essence Book of Revelation. Those scrolls were forerunner writings of the canonical versions of the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation and their existence provides documentary evidence that the New Testament is a priesthood fabrication.
    BIBLIOGRAPHYThe New Catholic Encyclopedia; Vol.1X, 1967, Pg. 668-669, Mercati’s shorter works were collected as Saggi di storia e literatura; Rome, 1951AM, St. Test 165; 1952Elliott’s Delineation of Romanism; 1884, Pg.456Dictionary of Christian Antiquities, ed. Smith and Cheetham, London, 1875Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XV, Oct 1, 1912 Pg. 287-290Discovery of the Essence Gospel of Peace, Edmond Bordeaux Szekely, 1989 EditionHistory of the Canon Scripture, c. 1862Vol.XV Oct 1, 1912King James Bible 1863The Edict of Callistus, Victor Germaine’s Trans. 1822Encyclopedia Britannica, 9th Ed;Vol.10; Pg.783 onwardsCatholic Encyclopedia, 1910, Vol.8, Pg.441The Crucifixion of Truth, by Tony Bushby

    • frescoedechoes

      I applaud you for your attempt at beguiling audiences by copy-pasting from a “teaser” for “The Crucifixion of Truth” by Tony Bushby (if you don’t get it I’m being sarcastic).  However, if you want to discredit the Church and it’s core beliefs I suggest you do the legwork yourself and not rely on conspiracy theories spun by this particular author.  The majority of his evidence is based on speculation, linguistic games, bogus references, and terribly misquoted sources.  I wouldn’t even trust him to write a credible term paper.

    • opinyonlangpo

      There are lots of sources of the info and not just from a single person who may be suspected of making up stories. But you are wandering into the unknown, better stop if you still have a iota of faith in God.

  • blainz

    @frescoedechoes, who may have taken exception that I considered concern over “dark arts” hypocritical while a pedophile priest remains at large. I’m writing my reply here due both to the length and at least one other poster you replied to has felt the same way.

    You wrote:

    “long before the Monsignor’s case was publicized, he was already stripped of his duties as a priest since he is under thorough investigation from the Vatican… that fact was CONVENIENTLY left out by the National Geographic article in order to sensationalize the case”

    I didn’t mention the NatGeo article in my previous comment, but since you did…

    Monsignor Cristobal Garcia molested and dealt drugs to boys in Los Angeles in 1985. He fled the US the same year, never being arraigned, going to Cebu. The attorney who worked for the LA Dominican order in response to a 1988 suit by one of the victims, was assured by the Cebu Archdiocese that Msgr. Garcia was not to work again with boys.

    Yet Archbishop Cardinal Vidal, who took Garcia in, let the monsignor work with boys again immediately, later forming the Society for the Angels of Peace, where Garcia was called “Supreme Motivator” by the boys.

    Notice that whether there was a NatGeo report or not, the facts above remain the same.

    Being generous with the timeline, since it was several months before the Christy report (September 2012) that Garcia was defrocked by the Vatican, let’s assume the defrocking was January 2012. So the list of offenses would be…

    Child molestation, drugging minors, flight from justice, coddling a sex predator, reneging one’s word, endangering children, 26 years from crime to defrocking, and continuing unaccountabilty.

    Finally we add, by now almost a trivial detail, smuggling ivory idols.

    Now to my point:

    NOTHING in your reply remotely exculpates, excuses, justifies, or minimizes the Catholic Church’s wretchedness in this entire sordid episode of evil.

    • LouBlessed2bCatholic

      BLAINZ: The sin of one, cannot be attributed to the whole family. Just as among the 12 apostles,there is one Judas who betrayed Christ, one denied him, and all of them left him in the Garden of Gethsemane. In other religions, there are rapists and molesters too. Sorry to say that. You can simply google your way. Protestant pastors and any other person in their human nature committed so many sins. Just like what you mentioned about that priest. Admittedly, these sins wounded the Church but do not judge the whole Catholic Church because of this sorry episode. God did not abandon his Church just because of the fallen sheep/s. 

      Scandals in the Church are not an argument against the Catholic claim to be the true Church.  In the Old Testament we find baby sacrifice and temple prostitution involving leaders of the Jewish religion (Jer 32:32-35; 2 Kgs 23:7). 

      The Catholic Church is both human and divine.  Because it is human, it will have scandals.  Because it is divine, it will last forever.  Scandals are found in all denominations; they have nothing to do with whether or not the Catholic Church is the true Church.What St. Paul wrote concerning the Jews applies also to Christians: “What if some were unfaithful?  Will their infidelity nullify the fidelity of God?  Of course not!” (Rom 3:3-4).  Christ’s faithfulness to His Church remains even when some of its members are unfaithful (see 2 Tim 2:13). Scandals do not prove that the Church is false.  They only prove what is obvious: that the Church contains sinners as well as saints, tares along with the wheat.  In the parable of the wheat and the weeds (Mt 13:24-30), Our Lord makes clear that good and evil will exist side by side until the end of time.  Mt 13:47-48 also confirms that the Church contains good and bad members alike.

      • blainz

        You know very well that Garcia’s case is not isolated incident, this scene has been repeated ad nauseum in several other countries, too many to list here. The only reason why we don’t hear more cases is this country’s culture of silence, an issue already confirmed back in February by then Archbishop, now Cardinal, Tagle.

        The Catholic Church, while railing endlessly against homosexuality, has a priesthood with an incidence of homosexuality significantly higher than the rest of the male population; for pedophilia, higher still.

        Given the rate of abuse, child molestation by pedophile priests is systemic and peculiar to the Catholic Church. What’s more, the coverups and shuffling of these sex predators from one diocese to another is accomplished by higher ups, with investigations stymied at every level all the way to the Pope.

        Garcia is getting away scot-free, which is the rule, not the exception. Only a minority of these perverts end up facing justice. Contrast the treatment of priest sex offenders with those of non-priests, then you’ll easily see the power of the Catholic Church at work, and it is definitely not working for good.

        The only thing that seems isolated to the Philippines is the brazen arrogance of the clergy in the face of such filth and the seemingly endless sycophancy of its flock. Archbishop Vidal calling for Brian Christy’s banning in this country; accusations of bias on NatGeo’s part, repeated now by frescoedechoes; calls for a boycott…

        The stinking pile of hypocrisy grows and grows, and this will stop only if it meets with justice in the courts. It will not stop with lame deflections, it will not stop with festivals for an altar boy saint, and it will certainly not stop with theological excursions on the human and the divine.

      • opinyonlangpo

        True. That is more of a factual view of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, so many records to support those facts. What is good with the church is that they have their self imposed ability to forgive sins on earth, so they forgive themselves and go to heaven. Easy way out isn’t it, they save themselves from the wrath of God. 

      • batangpaslit

        powerful argument. i doff my hat

      • ApoNiLolo

        Following your logic that the “Church is both human and divine”
        and its human side includes both “saints” and “sinners” within its confine; how
        may the “faithful” discern one from the other? Unless exposed by outside
        factor, we both know that the Church hierarchy had a tendency to “hush-hush”
        the nefarious activities of some of its members. And that will put the “faithful”
        in a quandary.

        To eradicate the chance that the one attending its flocks is a “wolf” instead of the “shepherd”, wouldn’t it be prudent to just believe what the bible teaches, practice the Catholic faith but eliminate the “middlemen” just to be on the safe side?

        That way we could say, with certainty, that the Catholic Church is pure divine. >: D

    • batangpaslit

      wow…how courageous

  • akimaxx

    I’ve watched a documentary on local Exorcism by a Catholic priest. His armaments are violet vest, holy water, a Benedictine Cross and some prayers. It takes hours to exorcist the victim or victims. No assurance that the evil spirit leaved the possessed body. So pathetic, the priest doesn’t know or understand spiritual warfare. 

    Our Lord taught us, Christians, how to perform exorcism. The early Apostles did exorcised the Christ way. Even ordinary Christian should. How can the Catholic church teach exorcism when they themselves doesn’t understand spiritual warfare? They are performing exorcism, the Pagan way. Our Lord and the Apostles never used those paraphernalia. Imagine a situation that you are a  Principal o a teacher in big public school, a bunch of your students were attacked by the bad spirits, the church is 3 km from school and when you reached the priest, he said, I don’t do Exorcism. Plan B call an Albularyo or somebody who practices occultism. “My people were destroyed from lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priest. Because you ignored the law of your God, I will also ignore your children.” Hosea 4:6.

    I believe exorcism is to command the evil spirit to come out of the possessed body of the victim in full authority coming from our Lord Jesus. We are only an instrument to finish the job. With full authority, the evil spirit leave the body in fear, instantly. 

    .

    • ardong

      Amen and amen…

    • anu12345

      Puro ka naman biro. Bad spirits, huh?

      Kung sabagay, naniniwala ako sa maligno at sa tooth fairy kaya parehas na lang tayo.

      • batangpaslit

        hehehe…may pagka pilyo ka rin pala ano, Kabayan
        tooth fairy tale and maligno

    • opinyonlangpo

      Is there anyone in the catholic church who can do that? I thought that happens only in the movies.

    • batangpaslit

      Bro, let me share my testimony.

      For a time, I was active in teaching Inner Healing and Deliverance.
      In one of my series of lectures and ministry, one of my participants is my younger sister, Luz.
      The long and short of it, she was initiated how to drive out the evil spirits that indwell the body of the oppressed victim.
      I showed them to expel demons, we need not shout or utter curses or use crucifix or cloth that wiped the feet of statues decorating the walls of the church.
      What I shared was and still is: if one is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the power in him or in her is far more powerful than any demonic forces combined.
      Curiously, when I returned back from the Phils, I received an overseas call that my Mom and my younger brother needed help because a teenage kid was brought to the church for exorcism.
      My folks in my birthdown is clueless how to do it.
      I instruced my sister Luz who was calling collect from Manila to gather church people to pray round the clock until the demons were expelled, to take turns attending the teenage kid and sing hymns night and day.
      Conversely, the school principal, who have seen the movie Exorcist attempted to help and brought with him some elements and mark the feet of the victim with cross and mumbled a prayer he heard from the film Exorcist.
      To the consternation of the townfolks—usyosero—they witnessed that the evil spirit jumped on the principal and knocked him down.
      Ang principal ang dinapuan ng demonyo. Kumaripas ng takbo ang school principal after he was delivered from the assault of the evil spirits.
      Chuckles…
      On the seventh day, the legion of demons left the body of their oppressed victims. If I remember right, the father dabbled in witchcraft.
      With the battle over, my late Mom walked home. Approaching the house, my late Mom smelt sweet perfume like aroma that she thought my nephew broke the gass of perfume I gave her.
      Checking her cabinet, she found her perfume glass intact and sealed.
      Over the phone, I told my late Mom—-what she smell is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit that He is pleased of what they and her praying friends did for the oppressed teenage kid.
      Only those who have Jesus Christ in their hearts are endued with ability and power to expel demonic powers.

  • anu12345

    “Today, the same adherence to non-Catholic rituals and practices is keeping many from receiving the grace of God.”

    Now, that’s funny. So, maybe the government officials and politicians don’t believe in occultism because they look like they received a lot of grace from god.

    • emaigeine

      God loves everyone of us – sinners or not. Material wealth, however, does not always come from God.

      • opinyonlangpo

        Sometimes it comes from the devil too, lots of it.

      • batangpaslit

        wisely said…

    • batangpaslit

      Bok, since you are intrigue about issues on faith and related matters, why not investigate the source of true teaching on subjects like this.
      Examine the Scriptures and find out for yourselft the truthfulness of what is recorded in the sacred writings
      Then, let us discuss passages that you found intriguing or passages you want to refute.
      Deal?

  • anu12345

    ‘Langya, ang daming knowledgeable sa religion dito. Out of my league pero may sasabihin ako na dapat i-consider ninyong lahat – You are arguing/debating sometimes in combative ways about a “thing” (god) which NOBODY can prove that it ever existed or exists with verifiable evidence outside of that book of fiction(bible).

    • Olibo

      Mahirap naman kung sa iyo kami dapat maniwala, eh idol mo pala ang maligno at tooth fairy. That’s according to your bottom comments.Cheers.

      • batangpaslit

        hahaha…naka punto si Kapatid

      • anu12345

         Naniniwala rin ako kay Santa Claus at asuwang. Anong say mo?

    • Juan_Sipag08

      Evidence of Gods existence are all around you, including yourself  and your parents and  grandparents. You are part of Gods creation.

      • batangpaslit

        chuckles…
        brilliant rebuttal
        baka paniwala nia eh pumutok sia sa kawayan
        hahaha…

    • emaigeine

      We will always pray for the conversion of hearts. Take care.

      • batangpaslit

        May the LORD bless you too, Kapatid, for having a compassionate heart—the heart of the Lord Jesus Christ

    • opinyonlangpo

      Believing the unseen is a matter of faith. I believe in God. What is it anyway?

      • batangpaslit

        Right on! Keep sharing, Bro!

      • anu12345

         Define faith.

      • akimaxx

        Believing is different from experiencing and having intimacy with God. Even Satan believes who God was / is. Simple test: if you’re face to face with Jesus and He asked you, ‘who do you think I am?’ You’re life testimony will reveal how you understood faith.

      • opinyonlangpo

        That is a big “IF”

    • batangpaslit

      Veritable evidence?
      Bok, paano ang araw, ang mga bituin, ang buwan?
      Ang Eiffel Tower ba napatayo ng kusa?  The precise clock, did it assemble by itself?
      If you say yes to these two questions, then, I would agree with you that the universe merely existed on its own too.
      Chuckles…

      • anu12345

        God created the sun on the FOURTH day. ‘Susmarya.
        And the moon with its own light. And the stars as little ornaments in the sky.

        Everything for you has a maker and it was god. Pakisabi naman doon sa god mo na palpak ang mga creations niya. Ang earth may uninhabitable deserts, faults, etc.  Mayroon pang termites, virus, mosquitoes, etc. At saka hindi alam ng god ‘yung solar system na ginawa niya. Bakit naman isang planeta lang inhabitable? Kung makikita ko ang god mo, baka makutusan ko iyon dahil maraming mali sa ginawa.

        Seriously, nasaan at ano hitsura ng god mo? Simple question.

  • Olibo

    Even this Catholic priest is worrying that a lot of people nowadays turn to paganism, worshipping Idols. The scriptures condemn this practice, idolatry.Who is the leading religion  practice this belief? Don’t be surprised to see the statue of Calungsod alongside with their other invented saints inside their churches soon.

    • opinyonlangpo

      That’s the whole idea and surprisingly coming from a catholic priest. All along I thought no insider in the catholic church understand what they are preaching. There are however pagan practices incorporated into the beliefs of the catholic religion but its not of others business, they are happy with their beliefs so let them be.

      • batangpaslit

        Bro, I hold the view, if the parishioners of the Roman Catholic Church would turn to the Scripptures in examining their faith, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, they will come into realization how to properly worship the Creator.
        If and when this event would transpire, I tell you, the evangelization of the world would be hastened.
        But, of course, the Evil One and his cohorts, would do their utmost efforts to thwart the truth seekers to find Truth.
        I am, however, convinced, the Spirit of Truth, would eventually permeate the Roman Catholic Church.
        The rise of Charismatic Movement within their heirarchy is an encouraging sign.
        Yesterday, I just handed a copy of the Bible to one of the kababayan I know who confess and profess to be Cerado Catolico.
        But eventually, with the crisis in life he is undergoing, he relented to attend a Bible Study—-mind you it was formed by the local parish church—-and as a demonstration of support to his desire to seek GOD, i bought him a leather bount compact bible.
        “Thy WORD is a lamp unto my feet”, is what I penned as a dedicatory statement and I signed with my name.
        May the Almighty bless you, Kapatid!

    • batangpaslit

      I concur with your view, Zet

  • ApoNiLolo

    What was Syquia complaining about? Doesn’t he knows that it was the RCC priests and missionaries themselves who introduced worshiping God and pagan beliefs side-by-side? It was a ploy to convince the “barbarians” of Europe and the “natives” of the “New World” to convert to Christianity in the first place. Take for example December 25 as the “official” birth of Jesus when it is written in the bible that He was not born during the winter season. December 25 was a pagan feast to celebrate the “birth of the Sun”. Why was Jesus (in the Last Supper and other Icons) portrayed as a “long haired hippie” while the rest of his disciples sports short hair which conform to the Roman fashion of that time? Was it to create an “affinity” among the “barbarians” of Europe who let their hair and beard grow to such length? Your guess is just as good as mine.

    If Syquia thinks that this kind of worship is unique in the Philippines, then, he should visit Peru and other Latin American countries to see how “devotees” in those places practice Catholicism.

    • batangpaslit

      Bok, am impressed of your scholarship. Galing ah.
      If I were your Lolo, I would be very proud that I have an Apo who is endued with a superior brain and gifted with lucid thinking.

       

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NIHSGQRLMFSZVA42LTJWDW5VQ4 rosenda

    Wag na kayong mag argue. Ang gusto ng Diyos mahalin natin sya ng buong puso at buong kaluluwa at mahalin natin ang ang isa’t isa tulad ng pagmamahal natin sa ating mga sarili. HIndi masama ang maghanap ng katotohanan kung ang kapalit nito ay ang mas malalim na paniniwala sa KANYA. Ang masama ay makipagbangayan tayo at siraan ang iba’t ibang relihiyon.  Irespeto nyo na lang po ninyo ang mga paniniwala naming mga katoliko. Kami po na may katawan ang mananagot sa aming mga kamalian at hindi po kayo. HIndi ko lang po kasi maunawaan kung bakit ang ibang myembro (hindi lahat) ng denominasyon ay tinutuligsa ang aming mga paniniwala samantalang kami ay hindi naman nanunuligsa ng ibang relihiyon. Parepareho po tayong kristiyano..at iisa lang pong Dyos ang ating sinasamba sa paraan ayon sa turo ng ating mga relihiyon. Yung mga atheist po eh kung yan po ang inyong paniniwala sa inyong sarili eh isarili nyo na lang po..kasi kahit naman sa kaibuturan ng inyong mga puso mararamdaman nyo kung ang masama ba ang inyong ginagawa. Yung sinasabi po ng aming pari eh para po ito sa aming mga members ng catholic church. Peace to All po.

    • batangpaslit

      Rosenda….you have the spirit of humility. I do not doubt your earnest faith in the Creator.
      But to properly worship GOD, we have to know the true Scriptural teaching from falsehood.
      I wonder if you care to study the Book of Hebrews?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NIHSGQRLMFSZVA42LTJWDW5VQ4 rosenda

        I worship God according to my faith. HE who will judge me when my time comes. .

      • batangpaslit

        This is extract from Hebrews 11. I trust, you will find time to read, study, and meditate the entire passage.

        Faith in Action
        11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
        3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
        4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
        5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
        7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
        8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NIHSGQRLMFSZVA42LTJWDW5VQ4 rosenda

        Thank you. Pero sa aking palagay mas kailangan mo syang pagnilay nilayan. Even without reading these..I already accepted Jesus Christ as my savior and my Lord ng walang pag aalinlangan. Kasabay ng pagtanggap ko sa kanya ay ang pagrespeto ko sa aking kapwa. Kapag minamahal mo ang Diyos, dapat minamahal mo rin ang iyong kapwa. Manifest God’s love in our daily lives.. The only thing the devil does not have is the virtue of humility. Mahirap magpakumbaba…mahirap maging mabuti…pero lahat ng ito ay pagsusumikapin mong gawin dahil sa pagmamahal mo sa Dyos. Kaya kapatid ang payo ko sa iyo..respect us..respect our beliefs..love us as Jesus taught us. Do not humiliate us..kasi pareho lang tayong nanampalataya kay Jesus. Sa palagay mo ba natutuwa si Jesus sa pagtutuligsa sa iyong kapatid sa pananampalataya sa Kanya?. Kung talagang tinatanggap mo sya gaya ng sinabi mo eh bat parang hindi ata naayon sa iyong kinikilos ang kanyang itinuro sa atin. If you want to convince others try it with the virtue of humility..and not of arrogance. Peace.

      • batangpaslit

        Rosenda, in my first response to your post, did I disparage you?
        Where is my arrogance for pointing out if the teaching is wrong?
        Only the arrogant dismisses the Truth.
        Don’t be confused that I assault the person if I point out the error.
        I never attempt to convince others.
        I simply point out truth from falsehood.
        If you have the Truth, there is no argument.
        My argument is for those who teach and propagate lies.
        I did not disagree with the Roman Catholic Church priest of what he said about his distaste of syncrenistic teachings happening in the church.
        Let us distinguish false teachings from the truth.
        Christians must only worship GOD through Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit, and no one else.
        No one is saved by religion.
        No one is saved by doctrine.
        No one is saved by good works.
        Only Jesus Christ can save humankind from the damnation of eternal Hell.

    • opinyonlangpo

      Father Syquia is voicing out some of the things which most of the faithful can not see or accept that is wrong in their beliefs. Its not a matter of who is bashing who.

  • TinTin Sison

    To all who love to bash the Catholic Church: before you say something, make sure that you have credible and strong proofs before posting your comments here. and also, you should have a high knowledge of the teachings of the Catholic Church. You love to bash the religion that brought the democracy back to this country. You love to bash the RCC because you know you will not be beheaded or mobbed, unlike in other religion. You love to bash the Church that gave this country a lot of holidays and bonuses that you also enjoy. Seriously, the RCC in the Philippines gave much good things to this country than you bashers do! If you don’t believe in any religion, then you can be called a mature person if you respect the beliefs of others instead of attacking them. For sure, you don’t want to be attacked because of your beliefs too, di ba? Respect begets respect! 

    • GKLer

      Just facts.

      In the Philippines,
      We all know the Catholic Church was instrumental in executing Jose Rizal 150 years ago.

      In the Philippines, in 2002 the Catholic Church apologized for  sexual abuses, adultery, homosexuality, child abuse, by 200 priests over a 20 year period. – BBC News July 8 2002

      In the Philippines, in 2003 34 priests were suspended in a sex abuse scandal involving harassment of women.  20 of them were from a single diocese.  - CWNews . com Sept 22 2003

      In the Philippines, in 2011, a priest who sexually abused a 17 year old female minor was sheltered by his Bishop, despite calls for his surrender to civil authorities. – Bulatlat . com Aug 30 2011

      Read more here:wikipedia . org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country

      Makes you think what they did 150 years ago, during Rizal’s time, which is probably why he wrote El Filibusterismo and Noli Me Tangere.

      • batangpaslit

        you must be an excellent researcher, Bro

      • johnlagrimas

        …yes, your research reveals what kind of person you are and what interests you have in life.

      • doncleo

         Pakidagdag naman yung mga Pajero priest nung panahon ni GMA hahaha!!! At yung mga pari na tumatanggap ng donation sa jueteng operators?

    • ApoNiLolo

      “You love to bash the Church that gave this country a lot of holidays and bonuses that you also enjoy.”

      I’m sorry, but, this statement made me laugh! >: D
      UST graduate ka ba? During my time, bawat utot ng santo, walang pasok sa uste! >: D

      • batangpaslit

        Hoi, Apo!
        Kung napatawa ka sa sinabi ni TinTin Sison, mas napatawa ako sa sinabi mo.
        Bayaw kong Doctor, kapatid kong Architect, at Nurse/Med Tech, pinsan kong Chemist ay puro UST Graduate.
        Matanong nga kung ilang utot ang na singhot nila kasi bawa’t walang pasok sila, eh, hingi ng allowance ang dalawa kong utol, dahil daw mag excursion silang magka klase
        hahaha…

      • ApoNiLolo

        hehehe… utol ko uste pero ako iskolar ni Juan dela Cruz! >: D

      • batangpaslit

        Iskolar ni JDC, eh?
        As long as you served your kapuwa kabayan that is fine with me.
        Hindi ka naman maramot sa mga kawanggawa, eh. So, bayad ka na….hahaha

    • opinyonlangpo

      . . . double post.

    • opinyonlangpo

      . . . and I thought Father Syquia is a catholic priest.

    • stealth ice

      hi tin tin.

      are you in anyway related to pedro calungsod?
      just curious since your profile picture is of him.
      its a crime to use other’s photo under cyber crime law.

      • TinTin Sison

        hi po. I’m just using his picture, that’s all. If you ask how related I am to him…maybe, I can say that we both belong to the same faith, and if asked, we’re both ready to die for that faith (well, he already did!). About the cyber crime thing…well, then let them arrest me. How about you, why are you hiding under a pseudo name?

      • stealth ice

        you’re truly a believer. i wish all priests are like you true to their faith, honest and simple. kaso hindi eh.

        with regards to my pseudo name, trip ko lang yan. i was supposed to use sangoku. ung sa dragonballz.

        meet tyo sa other article. ung tungkol sa bagong cardinal.

      • doncleo

         Sumasamba din pala si TinTin sa Tao..hahaha!!!

    • batangpaslit

      TinTin…what is the basis of your belief in GOD?
      I believe in GOD—-the Triune GOD. One GOD, but residing in Three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
      I wonder if you are familiar of the Book of Hebrews?
      I invite you to read it—-afterwards, we’ll discuss. Let us have a Bible Study based on Hebrews and square our fundamental belief based on the Scriptures.

      • johnlagrimas

        …that is not the only basis…and even that is not to be used as basis of what you are saying.  If you don’t understand the Holy Trinity doctrine, don’t just attack it like the heresies of old did. How can you say anything on something which you don’t understand?  Have you understood the word “faith”?  That’s what Tintin is talking about, respect our “faith”.

      • batangpaslit

        John, am talking about falsehood versus false teachings. Where in my posting did I say that I do not understand the doctrine of Trinity?
        If you read my post with honesty, I share the views of the Roman Catholic Church’s teacing in one GOD—the Triune GOD—residing in Three Persons.
        I recite the Apostle’s Creed, but that does not make a Roman Catholic Church parishioner.
        As I said time and again, I follow the Lord Jesus Christ, not the false church dogma.
        Perhaps, you don’t know GOD that we are discussing here.
        Do you have a personal relationship with His Begotten Son? If so, why not tell others how to enjoy life eternal with GOD through Jesus Christ?
        Faith?
        Have you read Hebrews 11?
        Respect?
        If it is the truth, I’ll abide.
        If it is false, I will point it out what the Scriptures say.

      • TinTin Sison

        Simply put…If you refuse to believe the teachings of the Church, then you are FREE TO LEAVE. The Catholic Church does not enforce its beliefs to anybody. It seems you’re the Cafeteria Catholic type…choosing only what to believe. 

    • akimaxx

      Tin Tin, study the word SPIRITUAL CHASTISEMENT.  Parents correct their children if they did something wrong, that’s physical chastisement. Spiritual Chastisement is like this: God chastised the Jews not to own, make and worship idols.(Exodus 20). Apostle Paul rebuked Apostle Peter on gentile circumcision (Galatians). More examples in your Bible.

      The Bible was written to chastise us from our wrong-doings, to transform us into His image. The Holy Spirit is our best teacher. Christians always say, ‘the Bible is God’s intimate love letter to me’. God chastises us, not to bash our personality, but to chastise or correct us, with love. Read your Bible.

      • TinTin Sison

        seems you’re the Bible-only type. Well, if you read the History, the Bible was complied by CATHOLICS and not just by any Christians…I will believe only to the people who were endowed by the power of the Holy Spirit thru the Sacraments of the Church which originated from Christ Himself.

      • akimaxx

        I believe only to people…etc. Just asking, Tin Tin are you endowed by now by the Holy Spirit? 

      • dick_sakwrinkle

        And they were molesting children the whole time…

      • dick_sakwrinkle

        No proof to any of what you say. There is no God. Grow up.

    • dick_sakwrinkle

      Why all the kiddie molestation? What a bunch of perverts, and YOU TinTin Sison are enabling the sexual molestation.

  • tonyoks

    Seriously, the RCC in the Philippines gave much good things to this country than you bashers do!
    Seriously???
    but then again i would like to reiterate, am no basher…
    just expressing and writing off my personal convictions….

    • johnlagrimas

      …then keep your personal convictions personal – only to yourself!

    • dick_sakwrinkle

      I pressed like by mistake. Silly tonyoks – Bashers don’t molest children, Catholic priests do.

  • tonyoks

    In spite of advancements in civilization, even in the Philippines, “[t]he sad truth is that even after 400 years of our Catholic faith, paganism, which should have been purified, continues to exist and influence Catholics,” Syquia said.
    now this is truly a classic distorted and contemptous statement….

    Paganism was already in existence way way before christianity came into the scene.
    In fact christianity is a very poor copy of the Paganistic beliefs and that the celebrations, rites being observed and practiced by pagans where aped by the christians to the letter…

    jesus ???- copied from a lot of  mystic persons 
    virgin birth –  ditto
    raisen from the dead – ditto
    miracles performed – ditto
    born on december 25 – ditto
    no, nothing original from the RCC…
    eternal life ???- see middle east religions BCE…
    what i agree with you is that for 400 years the RCC have been manipulating us, controling our minds that now its very hard for our us to really come out of this quagmire.

    400 years…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MKYHSTOLFHNYOCVUPIRBFEGNFU Wilder

      agreed…just to convert most of the pagan tribes and other people of the empire..into Catholicism…all pagan rituals, beliefs and festivities were retained and converted as Catholic beliefs and festivities…..Catholic Church = Universal Church with all the trappings of the Roman Empire.I am not bashing Roman Catholic Church but basing my opinion on facts..Even us Filipinos have our own culture but was erased from history like what the “Sword and the Cross” did in South Americans older civilizations.

  • stealth ice

    the best things to do that are pleasing to the eyes of our Lord is to help the less fortunates, never take advantage of others misfortune and pray directly to the Divine Creator. never listen to the words of those hypocrites unless they do what they preach.

    This article has once again divided the readers. pinag-away away na.

    • batangpaslit

      Bro, that is my religion: visit those in prison, care for the sick, feed the hungry.

    • dick_sakwrinkle

      Like those priest “helping” children though molestation…

  • tonyoks

    “and the Israelites who worshipped the golden calf perished and their descendants were condemned to roam the desert until they were consumed after 40 years.”
    the 40 years that they roamed in the desert was a tactical move.

    40 years was almost two generations of israelites being trained for war…

    cause after 40 years they made an astounding comeback,armed themselves with weaponry they have trained to kill their enemies, routed all their enemies and exact the revenge they kept in their hearts and established their homeland of Judah and Samaria…

    if ever their yahweh castigated those who dis-obeyed its because they were weak and couldnt follow orders,quitters and  be a good fanatical soldier…and look  what they are today… the best soldiers a nation can have..
    .
    and this time  it wasn’t moses who led them, it was joshua…moses never reached the “promised land”…

    distorted again???

    well, call it that way but this is one thing i couldnt let go…
    so many things are not right in the bible….

    you see the god of israel which i presumed is the god of RCCs now, is really a war freak revenge seeking and egomaniacal kind of being …

    Please be careful with your “Bible”…

    it will only give you nightmares …

  • batangpaslit

    Jin….excellent exegesis.
    Hindi nila alam ang Typology. In one post, someone cited the snake that was temporily carved out to look up.
    But those that distorted the the interpretation of the passage use it as justification to carve an image and worship that image.
    The false teaching is difficult to be exorcised.
    Since false teachers pervade their religious institution for a long while.
    I have compassion to those who were deceived.

  • batangpaslit

    Apo…the true Author of the Scripture is the Holy Spirit. Hence, an earnest seeker that investigates the meaning of the word, ought to seek illumination from the true Author.
    The arrogand and proud would lean on their human understanding.
    They may have the correct observation; but, the end purpose of studying the inspired written word of GOD is not merely to satiate mental knowledge.
    The study ought to result to obedience of the Word?
    Is there a command to obey?
    Is there a sain to confess?
    Is there an instruction to follow?
    All these require a correct interpretation in order to arrive to a right application.
    It is not my belief that matters. What matters is, what is the LORD really saying concerning the specific passage?
    For instance, St Paul wrote in the Corinthians admonisning the women in church to keep silent?
    On the basis of the text, does it mean that women must remain dumb when they are in church?
    A wrong observation, leads to a wrong interpretation, and worse it leads to wrong application.

    • ApoNiLolo

      “… All these require a correct interpretation in order to arrive to a right application.”

      Ah, here’s another caveat. Who, may I ask, holds the right interpretation? Every Christian school of thoughts claims their “interpretation” is the right one. Every Christian denomination claims they are “guided” by the Holy Spirit on their understanding of the Holy Scripture. There are sects who malign other sects version of the bible. Worst than that, there are Christians who interpret the bible literally and impose those rules to the letter among their congregation.

      IMHO, since we, as the ultimate creation of this world, given the special gift to think, should read and interpret the bible or any other holy book, individually, as we see fit, as we deemed good and within the limits of our knowledge.

      Kaya nga tinawag na “faith” yan dahil that’s what we believe in. That’s what we feel inside us that “spiritually exist” without giving proof or evidence wither it’s the right path or the “ultimate” truth.

      If you are familiar about the parable of the miller and the 3 roads, it says that the miller (God) is not interested which road (religion, belief etc) you took to go the mill (heaven). God is more interested in the outcome of your harvest (deeds you accomplished). : )

    • dick_sakwrinkle

      What a bunch of gobledee-gook.

  • batangpaslit

    Lou, you are not reading my posts. Alin ang paulit ulit. Sagutin mo.
    Thomas Aquinas, yes, I studied him.
    I studied the works of Augistine too.
    But, I do not rely on their works. I rely on the enlingtenment of the Holy Spiirt.

    You do not know how to read my commentary, Lou.
    I never said that the Bible “alone” is the authority. What I said, is: in matters of faith, conuct, instruction, and discipline, the Scriptures is supreme. There is a difference between the term “supreme” versus “sole” (alone).
    I have no problem with traditions, as long as it does not contradict the inspired written Word of GOD.
    The Scriptures is the inspired written Word of GOD; but, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Living Word of GOD.
    Rebut me on my argument if it does not square with the Scriptures.
    Don’t make generalities that I don’t understand your explanation because you did not explain anything.
    If you want to seek the Truth, let us start studying the Book of Hebrews.
    Let’s debate to draw out truth from falsehood.

    For one, could you tell me how to inherit eternal life?

  • batangpaslit

    Well said, Jin…

  • batangpaslit

    Oh, I thought, you are lady of humble heart Rosenda.
    So, you are exposed.
    You do not really have the Spirit of GOD in your heart.
    You disdain the Bible, because the Bible speaks for Truth.
    You chose to wallow in falsehood, the lies that deceive many parishioners.
    Just look around, how many Roman Catholic Church parishioners are now joining Catholic Charismatic Movements?
    Yes, isinabuhay ko ang nakasulat: speak for truth.
    Ang tinitira ko ay ang maling panilwala, ang maling paraan ng pananampalataya.
    You cannot handle Truth, eh?

  • batangpaslit

    chuckles…
    they cannot argue the subject matter at hand, since they do not know what stand they have

  • batangpaslit

    Miguel…hindi ka ba marunong bumasa sa sinulat ko?
    Sure, I’ll take your line of thinking.
    Catholic Church is different from Roman Cathlic Church. You dropped the prefix word Roman because you know you will not win in the argument.
    The Lord Jesus Christ, established a church.
    Church = eklesia
    Meaning, body of believers.
    The LORD did not establish a religion. Much less established the Roman Catholic Church.
    If you’re good in church history, what names of churches that were cited in the Book of Revelation? In the Book of Acts?
    Was the name Roman Catholic Church mentioned in those documents?
    This is what I can say.
    Despite and inspite of false teachers and idolatrous practices of many parishioners, what Christ established shall flourish and grow.
    Read the Book of Hebrews and square your belief system with what the Scriptures say.

  • batangpaslit

    JL…it is a question between falshood and truth in properly worshipping the Creator.
    Many are deceived, hence, the struggle to expose falsehood.
    Let truth ring!

  • batangpaslit

    Lou…eh, bakit dimo pagalitan si Father Syquia, eh, he is a priest of the Roman Catholic Church—your church.
    Your own priest is pointing out falsehood in the manner you conduct your worship before the Living GOD.

  • batangpaslit

    Lou, if your queries are earnest, it behooves it demands an earnest reply.
    Q10: Altar Call?
    Which post did I cited that compound word? Sorry, I cannot reply since I did not use it in any of my postings. I have to respond in the context of what I wrote, Lou;
    Q9: Rapture
    Just like the term Trinity, it is neitheir explicitly stated; but the term Rapture is the description that believers would be removed from the earth by GOD preceding Jesus’ second coming. You can investigate 1 Thess 4:14-17 the details of this account.
    Q8: Premillianilism?
    I do not subscribe to these argument including pre-trip, mid-trib. Such argument has no bearing of Christ dying on the Cross to ransom many.
    Q7: Immersion?
    Are you refering to the water baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist where His body was dipped into the water? 
    Q6:Eternal Security?
    As long as the invididual remains in the hollow of GOD’s hand, he is secure. But if he renounces his faith in GOD he loses his security.
    No one can snatch anyone from GOD’s hand. Read the Book of Romans how the Apostle Paul explained that neither death nor calamities can separate us from the love of GOD. But I do subscribe to the doctrine of apostasy—the case of Judas the Iscariot.
    Q5: King James Version
    I do read all kinds of version, including Douay and Jerusalem Bible. I have both copies, but I prefer the latter since the English rendition is more contemporary.
    Q4. Sola Scriptura?
    This compound term, I did not state either in any of my postings. What I know is, according to the Epistles in the Book of Timothy, the Scriptures is the inspired written Word of GOD profitable for doctrine, instruction, and discipline. I believe the Scriptures is supreme in matters of questions of faith, not exacly “sole”. The Sciptures is the inspired written Word of GOD; but, Jesus Chris is the Living Word of GOD.
    Q3: Total Depravity?
    Ask the guy who made that claim. What I know is, according to the Book of Romans, “all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD”.
    That no one is righteous. That we all need the cleansing of Jesus’ blood.
    Q2:Faith alone?
    Which one do you refer? Ephesians 2? That salvation is GOD’s grace?
    Not of man’s works?
    James 2:24 does not contradict what Paul wrote. On the contrary, James, reinforces it. That if indeed if one has faith, his or her faith must be evidenced by good works.
    Intellectual assent is nothing. A true faith in Christ produce good deeds.
    The Scriptures won’t contradict itself.
    Q1: Bible
    Is the translation from the word biblios, meaning book. Libray of books.
    Usually, the term I use for popularly known term Bible, is Scriptures.
    I do not worship any versions of the Bible. Otherwise, I would be committing bibliolatry.
    I rely on the internal evidence of what the Scriptures say of itself.
    I believe that indeed the Scriptures is the inspired written word of GOD because I have “tested” it, and “tasted” it.
    I read and studied the Scriptues several times over. But, I would never claim that I am an expert.
    I depend on the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, the true Author of the Book to explain the passage for me.
    I have no problem with difficult passages.
    My problem is on passages that I do understand, but I cannot completely obey.
    Realizing my powerlessness, I come to Jesus on my knees and humbly seek His grace and forgiveness.
    The inspired written Word of GOD comes alive when the Spirit breaths in what I read.
    I trust, the above satiates your question.

  • kittylu

     Being that Christianity is the dominant religion in most places maybe Christianity is whats attracting the “demons”.

  • kabasalan

    There is only one thing being taught by ancient and modern Gnostics: knowledge through experience. If someone says a mango tastes nice and sweet one should find out him/herself to verify and in doing so learning or gaining knowledge  through the experience. it is not enough to just believe what that someone says. Jesus’ real teachings were based in Gnosis (gnosis, a greek word meaning knowledge though experience) but the early catholic “fathers” chose to  turn the teachings into a belief system and branded the real teachings as heresy.

    • 444mangyan888

      OW…?  a thesical statement that really is not…

  • Ben Smith

    Religion caused so much suffering in the world, it still does.

  • GlenMJacob

    Let me break it down for you. The bishops are suppose to be accountable for their flock and priest. There are a lot of problems that need to be addressed and this is one of them. I am glad that this priest has written some of the problems within his church. Coming from their own means a lot ! This article showed they are failing the teachings of God they profess to teach. Why not bishops concentrate on their backyard rather than meddling with the state affairs?

    • 444mangyan888

      so…??
      you may be partially right, but they are in the old days and present servants leaders of the church admit and rectify the errors.
      In fact, the church continously seek answers to go deeper in its relationship with GOD

    • akimaxx

      The article is about Exorcism. Notice that Catholic bloggers are discussing on different issues. You’re right, the whole Catholic church don’t understand spiritual warfare, they’re too far behind. 

  • doncleo

    Hindi ba ang simbahang katoliko din ang nagturo sa atin na sumamba sa mga imahen at rebulto?Bakit napakarami nating santo na sinasamba sa pamamgitan ng dasal at novena? Kung gusto ng simbahang katoliko na tumino ang mga nananampalataya ay ituwid ang paniniwala na naaayon sa Bibliya..2 lang ang dapat paniwalaan, si Hesukristo at ang Diyos Ama..walang makakarating sa langit na hindi nagdaraan kay Hesukristo.

    • 444mangyan888

      ay hindi kapatid…!!!
      mali ang iyung perspektiba….walang pagsambang ginagawa sa mga santo..hehehe..
      masyado kang bilib sa pastor mo eh…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZN4QU7M4VQLIGH72T5PW4C7TMM Jonathan

        ikw ang mali. inaamin p nang pari yn n bawal.kaso marame pera dyan

  • alexangeles

    Answer me this,,, Why does all nation with strong Catholic belief has and has always remained poor with the exception of the Vatican? 

    • 444mangyan888

      ask anthropologists, economists, sociologists, etc…there you will find a better answer.
      Better still, study those sciences so you can understand the answers…

  • http://www.facebook.com/noal.mcdonald Noal McDonald

    Please explain why I should listen to someone who represents an organization that condones child molestation.

    • 444mangyan888

      the heck is your beef..? you may also add why should one be a christian if someone who claimed to be GOD as his GOD personally chose a disciple who betrayed and sold him for silver pieces…???

  • 444mangyan888

    naloko na…
    pag relihiyon talaga agn daming magagaling ..no pun meant…pero sa aking tingin tagisan naman ng alam at talino ang sentro…Hmmm…..kung tingin nyo matatalino talga kayu at kaya ninyong tagpian at sukluban ang kakyahan ng iba—lalo ang isang matandang institusyun…ay mag aral na la-ang kayun g physics at piliting makakuha ng noble prize…pra magamit ang tunay ninyong talino at husay intellectual….
    sa ganun walang argumento….
    tingin nyo kayu la-ang ang magagaling at pinagpala ng DIYOS at kaming mga katoliko ay nasa maling landas…..hala..
    rupture rupture kayu jan…

  • rjimenez1226

    Hay naku ang mga katoliko talaga gagwin lahat para  ubusin ang ibang reliyon e sa kanila kung ano ano pati criucifix at medallion ay ginagawang negosyo. Kalokohan to the max. Ito yung tinatawag na negative advertising. Hit the  competition hard. Yung mga imahen niyo ay dapat  sunugin nyo ljat at  dumiretso ng panampalataya sa diyos hindi sa mga idols. Look at most Roman Catholic dominated countries they are usually poor nd struggling.

    • RiverHorse

      sure, let’s start with burning photos of your family.



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