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Catholic bishop goes after Ateneo professors for heresy

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Recently, Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, the current CBCP president, warned Catholic schools and teachers to toe the line or end up in hot water. FILE PHOTO

It’s not exactly an inquisition but 159 members of the Ateneo de Manila University faculty may face investigation for heresy, and sacked—not excommunicated—if found guilty.

Bishop Leandro Medroso, in an interview over Church-run Radio Veritas Monday, called for an investigation of the Ateneo faculty members who signed a statement declaring support for the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill being pushed by the Aquino administration in Congress.

Medroso, the permanent council member of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) and chairman of the Episcopal Commission on Canon Law, said the university should make sure that the teachers who endorsed House Bill No. 4244 were not teaching concepts against Church laws.

“That has to be investigated. The first principle of Canon law about this matter is that we don’t allow teaching that which is against the official teachings of the Church. Now, if there is somebody who is giving instructions against the teachings of the Church, then they have to investigate immediately,” Medroso said.

Those found guilty of teaching students concepts contrary to Church teachings could be fired, he said. Church officials have previously raised the possibility of excommunication for Catholics espousing population control.

Ateneo officials were not available for comment Monday, a holiday.

Recently, Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, the current CBCP president, warned Catholic schools and teachers to toe the line or end up in hot water.

“They should be consistent and true to the nature of their calling, which is to enlighten and teach the Catholic doctrine. They should realize how important their vocation and their  mission is, which is of course to impart the Catholic teaching,” Palma said.

The CBCP acknowledges that there are some differences in the beliefs of teachers and Church teachings on topics like reproductive health. The group said that while it respected academic freedom in colleges and universities, Catholic institutions should adhere to Church laws.

In issuing the statement of support, Ateneo’s faculty members said the RH bill would provide much-needed maternal and infant health care to all Filipinos regardless of religious beliefs.

“The reality is, despite the Philippines being predominantly Catholic, the majority of Filipinos want the full range of family planning services, including ‘artificial’ contraception,” they said.

“Our reflected and collective appraisal of the Responsible Parenthood, Reproductive Health and Population and Development Bill is that it is a vital piece of legislation that needs to be passed urgently,” the paper said.

The Guidon, Ateneo’s student newspaper, said it was not the first time that its professors had released a statement endorsing the bill, which has been pending for more than a decade. The first statement was issued in 2008, with 66 signatories.

The Guidon said another statement followed in 2011,  signed by more than  200 faculty members from Ateneo and the University of the Philippines.  With a report from Dona Z. Pazzibugan

Originally posted: 10:20 pm | Monday, August 20th, 2012


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  • just_anotherperson

    No to RH Bill.

    Many Ateneo professors are only too glad to receive hefty salaries from the same institution they attack from within.

    “Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops, like bishops, and your religious act like religious.” –Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, before the Knights of Columbus, June 1972

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      //Many Ateneo professors are only too glad to receive hefty salaries from the same institution they attack from within.//

      They’re paid to think, which is more than I can say for the RCC and its band of self-righteous ignoramuses.

    • CyberPinoy

      YES TO RH BILL  !!!!

    • mnlmad

      We’ll support the church but please lets get rid of our Filipino bishops who think like they are still living in medieval times.

      • Filpino

        what’s medieval living in support for life?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFQWTB3Z6DK76IWGHUMC4NO5JY Isang Pilipino

      Crazy of you to quote Fulton J. Sheen out of context. The RH Bill is not a direct attack to the Catholic Church. The problem with the bishops is they think they are the Catholic Church! They are definitely not!

      What about the Catholic church’s problems on pedophilia and homosexuality which no less than Pope Benedict recognizes that as its problem? If we criticize these religious, we attack the church?

      You have a bishop among you who has sired a child! We attack the church if we say he sinned?

      • Filpino

        ano bang maganda sa RH Bill? Support for women para di sya ma buntis? eh kung ganon parating sex lang ang hanap ng lalaki sa kanya. Dapat ang pinaplano ng bawat lalaki at babae ay kung paano maging pamilya o bumuo ng pamilya na hindi kabit-kabit lang o walang kasalan. Kapag ayan ang unang inisip ng bawat isa na wala pang pamilya saka nila maplaplano kung ilang anak ang gusto nila. Kaso ang iniisip ng mga tao ngayon ay kung paano makipagsex ng makipagsex kahit di pa kasal o makipagsex sa hindi nila asawa. Kaya naman ibig nila i promote ang RH bill para magawa ang kahiligan nila.

      • Guest

        Sotto just did that ‘makipagsex kahit hindi kasal’ and gave Helen an
        unknown pill that killed their first born child. Kaya siya humahagulgol
        ng iyak ay napakalaki ng kanyang kasalanan. Hindi sila nagtanong
        sa duktor.

    • debbyyoyo

      “Many Ateneo professors are only too glad to receive hefty salaries from the same institution they attack from within.”

      How are you sure that our professors receive “hefty salaries”? Do you know that a professor that has a PhD, MA etc receives much less than 30,000 a month? How dare you assume that just because they are working for Ateneo? I honestly think that these professors deserve to be paid WAY MORE for encouraging Ateneans to challenge themselves to think. This way, our faith would mean more than something we’re just spoonfed and expected to believe in. This way, our understanding is REAL.

      • just_anotherperson

        I heard that La Salle professors are paid much much more.  If you are correct, the La Salle profs must be “greening” from ear to ear while the Ateneo profs are “blue” with envy.

      • debbyyoyo

        Yes, they are. But that’s because Ateneo professors who stay do it purely for the love of teaching.

    • Line Of Flight

       RH bill or not. A university unable to protect academic freedom should have its accreditation revoked. The church is free to conduct heresy trials of its members. It is not allowed to receive government sanction with the grant of the privilege of accreditation to do so. The authority of the Church is circumscribed to the limit that it voluntarily chooses to receive the benefits of various secular government regulatory regimes (like accreditation). If it elects to be unfettered and conduct purges, it must accept that it will lose its accreditation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    To ATENEO—-FIRE all of that DAMASSO influence on your INSTITUTION—

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    YES ! now na !

  • jga94

    I think the more accurate title of the article should be “CBCP wants pro-RH Ateneo professors sacked.”This is like modern-day Inquisition.

  • magsasakasanayon

    to all the these bishop bast*rds: preaching the evils of the RH Bill will make you crusaders. now, if you threaten sanctions to others that do not agree with you, then you become terrorists. bishop bast*rds.

  • watot

    fight the issue fair and square and not through intimidation and fear, you’re all respected priest and bishops so respect individual’s opinion as well.

  • rightist

    The Church is a beneficiary of freedom of speech, expression, assembly and religion and it is sad that the only freedom of speech they allow are those that agree with them. If they do not have freedom of speech within organizations they control (but that is not the Church itself), then we should reciprocate and make sure that the government removes the freedoms and rights and exemptions that it gives the Catholic Church.

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. Catholicsm is a religion. It is not a democracy or a form of government.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/S4UQLYXUKY7D5CZHFTXSYKQ36Y Nico

        Wow what in incredibly ignorant remark. Even though religions are not a form of government, it does not exclude its members from freely expressing their thoughts as this is a basic human right. Oh the Church is not a democracy? I thought bishops vote for their pope? What you are promoting is a dictatorial Church that commands blind obedience from its followers. It’s a good thing more people today are using critical thinking than being mere sheep.

  • superpilipinas

    Yes. People are considered as Catholics if and only if they believe in the Catholic doctrines 100%. Anyone who is against any part of the doctrines is a Protestant. Protestants believe selectively what is only convenient for themselves.

    Non-Catholics should be allowed to teach in Ateneo if and only if they don’t teach against Catholicsm. Unlike other Catholic schools, Ateneo is wholy funded by itself. Those teachers are free to teach anywhere else. Don’t feed the snakes that will bite you.

    • Guest

      Ateneo is run by Jesuits.

    • jga94

      The Church is infallible I believe but its clergy are but human….they can sin too and make mistakes….just like what they did during the Inquisition and the Crusades,when they were silent against the rise of the Nazis….history has shown that they too can make mistakes….and this form of intimidation (including threats of excommunication and sacking) to silence people is I think one of them.They have every right and obligation to spread ideas which they think are those in consonance with their Teachings….but these have limits too.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFQWTB3Z6DK76IWGHUMC4NO5JY Isang Pilipino

        Of course, the clergy is only human and they sin more than the ordinary lay member of the church. There are many iskul bukol priests and bishops!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUN4WNHYRREW2BVHR2Q2SXJDE4 Teofilo

      What CBCP is doing is that their action is trying to move away Roman CAtholics from their fold.  One day they will relaized that the Philippines is no longer a 80% catholic bit rather 90% PROTESTANT.  If this will happen that is their fault.  Ano na ngayon ang ipagyayabang nilang the only CATHOLIC NATION in asia.

    • magsasakasanayon

      so the Pope is a Protestant now? he just said it’s ok to use condoms. you’re an idiot.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4A4RRGXGZ2QUKFZB6W2LU74RMI jr

        The Pope says it’s OK to use condom when committing pedophilia.

      • huseng_batute

         LOL!

      • Miguel

        You are misquoting the Pope! The Pope was simply giving an example of how prostitutes can be more responsible or minimize their sin by using condom in order to reduce the risk of HIV infection. Note that the use of condom in this situation is still sinful although it is minimized.  The Pope still recommends “humanization of sexuality” as the true and proper way of fighting against HIV, NOT the use of condoms.

        Please STOP misquoting the Pope to serve your own agenda!

      • magsasakasanayon

        i’m not misquoting the Pope. he truly said that it’s ok to use condoms in the situation you cited. whatever the reason, he STILL said it’s ok to use condoms, which is against the catholic doctrine. and the idiot i was replying to said that if you don’t follow the catholic doctrine 100% you are no longer a catholic but a protestant. ergo, the Pope is now a protestant.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFQWTB3Z6DK76IWGHUMC4NO5JY Isang Pilipino

      Another twisted logic!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XFH3CDZSZKVLX4G74PJOQ3L64U Natx Bacalzo

    If CBCP’s threat of excommunication against students, teaching and non-teaching employees of catholic education institutions and catholics in general who favor the RH bill is not an inquisition, I do know waht is.  But one thing is sure, if CBCP thinks that they can excommunicate every catholic who supports the RH let them do it.

    Then it will imperative for every excommunicated catholic to demand that the Catholic church and all religions organizations pay  taxes too. 

    • superpilipinas

      Yes you are right. It is inquisition. The punishment is good…excommunication. But the offenders have already punished themselves before they can be punished. By their own actions, they have removed themselves from the religion and are just pretending to be Catholics. They are in denial since they still want to be considered as Catholics but they are not anymore.

      • indiosbravos2002

        Excommunication is over rated. Magpakatotoo nga ang simbahang Katoliko Romano. Mas kailangan pa nga natin dagdag members because people are leaving the religion for other sects (which basically teaches the same stuff less the impersonal approach). Less people are going to church. Only a handful are becoming priest, marami pa confused ( sa kasarian, sekswalidad etc.). Before status symbol sa society may anak na pari, ngayon hindi na.

        What happened? Globalization, cable TV and Internet happened. Unfortunately, church leaders in the Philippine did not adapt or were left in the 60/70/80s era when people just chew on what the priest say. Right now, church members are more empowered and knowledgeable. Sometimes more knowledgeable than priest or bishops on certain issurss, Kaya nga sa RH bill, pinagtatawanan ang mga obispo kasi jurassic era argument nila.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFQWTB3Z6DK76IWGHUMC4NO5JY Isang Pilipino

        OK, please tell the good bishops that I consider myself ex-communicated now. I now deal directly with my God and not the Catholic church!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUN4WNHYRREW2BVHR2Q2SXJDE4 Teofilo

      Anong pinagyayabang nang excommunication. wala nang effect iyan.  maraming religious denominition na ngayon which a person is free to join.  excommunicate me as a catholic di punta ako iglesia or aglipayan what is the heck about this. Excommunication has no more meaning in the modern world.  WAKE UP CBCP.

  • browndarwinian

    “If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world. Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.

    Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.” -Hitch
     

  • browndarwinian

    ‘If in the most important area of your life – your philosophy, no less –
    the first thing you learn as a child is that faith is absolutely
    essential and evidence absolutely isn’t, how can this not affect how you
    think about everything? You have been brainwashed to be credulous and
    submissive to authority. This affects many aspects of life including the
    functioning of democracy and the understanding of science – both of
    which demand that you insist on evidence, question everything and take
    nothing on faith from anyone.’ – Matthew Chapman

  • superpilipinas

    Everyone is given free will. Teachers can teach anywhere they want to. But if you want to be fed, don’t bite the hands that feed you.

    Why would Muslim schools hire Christian teachers who teaches their pupils to eat pork?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3QBQUEHMC6EAMQQ4ARZG4HHVUQ Timothy

       Muslims and Christians are way too different. This time fellow catholics are in the midst of confusion. Maybe because the features of the RH bill are not relatively mentioned in both the gospel and the doctrine.

  • quirinomayer

    159 Ateneo faculty members, stand your ground. If they throw you out, you are in good company. Remember Galileo Galilei – the man who the Padre Damasos persecuted for daring to claim that the earth revolved around the sun contrary to the teaching of Padre Damaso at that time. He is a hero of science and free thought while his persecutors are despised up to now.

    Remember also that majority of Filipinos including 71 percent of your fellow Catholics believe in your cause and are with you against these modern day Inquisitors and Crusaders.  

    Keep up the good fight no matter the cost. Our victory is at hand. The mere fact that Padre Damaso is not going these extreme means he sees the handwriting on the wall. It is imminent that the RH Bill will become a law finally and some of the credit will be to you who have put your careers on the line to have the population policy passed.

    Long live the 159 courageous faculty members of the Ateneo which is now under siege from the Inquisitors!

  • Ommm

    Well here goes the church hurling fireballs again when the story reads….

    “signed a statement declaring support for the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill”

    They weren’t “teaching students” contraception… they were merely exercising their right of free speech as taxpaying citizens.

    So in essence the church is saying if they employ you, you must give up your basic constitutional rights as they consider Philippine law to be sub-servant to their own.

    Now we have an issue questioning  who runs this country…the church or the state.

    ” It’s not exactly an inquisition”…yet it is an inquisition and has been going on for 500 years now. The upside is the church, wallowing in ancient thought looks more foolish every time they open their mouths. They are becoming the great joke of modern times and losing their following at an expanding rate…given that i would like to hear much more from them. 

  • speedstream2

    Easy does it. Let’s not stoke internal strife more than is necessary. At the very least, that would be counter-productive. I’d like to think we’re all reasonable people and enlightened adults who can talk things over within the boundaries of institutional frameworks and with a view to realizing positive results.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3QBQUEHMC6EAMQQ4ARZG4HHVUQ Timothy

    Is this for the sake of the church? or for the sake of God?, Country?.. I am puzzled sometimes on how bishops make their decisions.

    • Sam

       It’s all about power.

  • Bernardo carpio

    FR.DAMASOS……..

  • coladu

    In one of the Roman Catholic Schools where I had my schooling, we were taught FAMILY PLANNING alongside the study of Religion.  We talked about condoms, pills, natural methods etc., and yet we were all of 16 or 17 year olds.  Don’t tell me ATENEO, the premiere Roman Catholic School is backward.  He he he

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZHTJJKL4HIMRZQAXMW5TTTV7XU Anti

    tama lang… mag resign na kayo dyan sa mga pwesto nyo at lumipat na kayo sa UP, dun pwd kayo di na mag klase at magrally na kayo ng magrally… di kayo tatanggalin sa trabaho….kasi yun naman ini-spouse ng UP… mga rallyista…. klase sa lansangan…..

    Sa Ateneo naman, pag mamay-ari yan ng simbahang katoliko… kung nasa Ateneo kayo.. sumunod kayo sa kanila…. sila naman nagbibigay sa inyo ng hanapbuhay… kung ayaw nyo sumunod…. lipat na kayo…. apply kayo sa University of Gabriela, University of Akbayan, University of AnakPawis and many other university….

    • efriend

      or manampal ng MMDA. Actually, itong mga Bishops ang sampalin nila hindi ang MMDA.

    • mnlmad

      Ang kitid ng utak mo.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000154747379 Mark Ariola

      Be careful with your words. An activist is way, way better than someone who does not/chooses not to use his/her free will to decide. The latter would not qualify for a human being. That’s a robot. :D

    • Albergi Galen

      korek ka dyan!  kung ikaw ay iglesia ni kristo tapos kakalabanin mo ang turo ng INK, lumipat ka ng relihiyon.  nagpapakita lang na kulang sa prinsipyo ang mga propesor na iyan.  trabaho lang sa kanila ang pagtuturo sa ateneo–gatasang baka kaya!  kung meron silang dangal, bakit sila kakabit sa hindi naman nila mapaninindigan?  hindi lang sa propesor yan naga-apply.  pati sa mga pari nila. one cannot be a catholic and be pro-RH at the same time.  BUHAY na ang pinagtatalunan dito, HINDI lamang pills.  naintindihan kaya nila yun? 

  • CPCook

    The article should be entitled “Some Bishops…” or “CBCP wants..”  The bishops or the CBCP does not represent the Catholic Church on RH Bill.  As a practicing Catholic, I am part of that Church and I think, in the depths of my conscience, the bishops are wrong on RH Bill.  As an Ateneo alum, I am so proud of the faculty making a stand on the RH bill.  

    To everybody else… please pray for enlightenment.  If we truly care about others, let’s show them by passing RH bill and reduce maternal deaths and abortions, avoid unwanted pregnancies, and promote education.  If as Catholics we will be known by our actions, let our actions be on the side of reason rather than on unsupported assertions (at best) or superstitions.  Let’s listen to what the experts (e.g., doctors, economists, public policy specialists, etc) rather than just the bishops or priests who do have such expertise (okay, most of them).  This would not be the first time that bishops were wrong on matters of science or economics.  If history has taught us anything, it is that bishops (as a whole) are not particularly well-versed with science (or other fields).  Let’s not make RH bill another victim of those trying to pretend they know it all.

    • superpilipinas

      You think you are still a Catholic but you are not. The moment you decline to belive any teaching of the Catholic church, you have considered yourself a Protestant. Protestants selectively believe what they want to believe for convenience. You’re in denial that you are a protestant but you are.

      If you truly care about others, teach them discipline, sacrifice, and humanity. Don’t teach them to turn to “condom solutions” with side effects that defeat the solution itself.

      • Guest

        Yes because spirituality and belonging to a religion are the same thing. God gave us free will to think, well, except when we do not think the way the morally superior want us to think.

      • CPCook

        To avoid any confusion on the matter, by supporting the RH bill, which specific teaching of the Catholic Church did I decline to believe (please as specific as possible)?  In reality, I am convinced that it is my duty as a Catholic Christian to support the RH bill and in doing so prevent maternal deaths, abortions, and unplanned pregnancies.  I think all of these are consistent with Catholic values.  I am of the opinion that it is un-Catholic to just ignore these problems, but I decline to judge.  As a Catholic, I believe that it is each individual’s duty to properly form one’s conscience through education (which is yet another virtue of the RH bill). As a Catholic, we are taught to stand in the truth. In this particular case, I believe that the RH bill is on the side of the truth, and provides a real solution. My Catholic support of the RH bill is standing in the truth and for those who could not have access to proper health care and education due to poverty. My Catholic support of the RH bill is for those mothers whose lives are put at risk if not provided access to contraceptions. My Catholic support of the RH bill is for those poor children borne out of temporary lapse in judgment (“accident”) rather than an informed decision.

      • superpilipinas

        Preventing maternal deaths, abortions, and unplanned preganancies are also supported by the Catholic Church. It is the use of contraceptives as included in the RH which is what the Catholic teachings are against.

        Delete the contraceptives part then RC will agree with RH.

      • magsasakasanayon

        can you tell us what is so evil about using contraceptives against those methods of contraception that the church supports?

      • CPCook

        The use of contraceptives as stated in the RH Bill does not coerce anybody to use contraceptions.  For those who find it consistent with their beliefs, the State will support contraception methods excluding abortion.  As Catholics, are we now in the business of imposing our beliefs on others?  I hope not.  That sounds more like the Taliban to me.  

      • Sam

         Ah yes, because God and Jesus objected to contraceptives in the Bible…..where?

        NO WHERE!

      • dapitan_QC

        Sam try to read Genesis 38:6-10 and you will find how God judge the action of Onan.  

      • reddfrog

        It talks about incest and masturbation. How is this realted to RH? You are grasping at straws.

      • dapitan_QC

        Look at the very words of the bible.

        “9But Onan knew the child would not be his, so whenever he slept with his brother’s widow, he spilled the semen on the ground lest he gave an heir to his brother. 10What he did was displeasing to Yahweh who took his life as well” – Genesis 38:9-10

        Please take note that “he spilled the semen on the ground” which is very similar to the use of Condom nowadays (Condom = ground). And also take note of the sentence “What he did is displeasing to Yahweh…” which pertains to the very action itself.

        Actually we can analyze these passage of the bible in many different ways including the motives of Onan which eventually lead to his punishment but I’ll leave that to you na lang to reflect upon.

        Also these words did not come from anyone but from God Himself. So try to re-check your stand. Will you follow man or God?

      • huseng_batute

        He was killed because he disobeyed a direct order, which is to impregnate his sister in law.  Not because he withdrew.

      • dapitan_QC

        Mr. huseng_batute that is a very good point.

        We all know that the very act of masturbation is not enough to merit death penalty from God. But to couple it with an evil intention will be enough to merit God’s wrath. So beware that you may fall into that same pit.

      • $29483279

         Uyyy naintindihan mo ba nabasa mo o imbentong panakot ni damaso na nanam yan.
        Kawawa ka naman.

      • dapitan_QC

        Teka ang alam ko eh hindi ko sariling ideya ang nabasa ko sa bible. I am just sharing it to you.

        Panakot ba ni Damaso? He, he, he!

      • $29483279

        At ang issue doon sa sinasabi mo ay more of dis-obedience. Bawal ba kay damaso wothdrawal? At saka wala pang pills noon?

      • dapitan_QC

        Dis-obedience lang ba ang issue noon.

        Anyway just a question. Why did God mention the sin of Onan but not the sin of Er? Why the detail?

        So sa tingin mo ba eh insignificant ang kasalanan ni Onan?

        Well this is something for you to think about…

      • $29483279

         Go on with your fishing expedition. I have no time arguing with you on this .Just keep on reading the Bible. Keep reading the Book of John. John 3:16 with priority. Thanks Dapitan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TQSQVCSU37TIR2ZD3QFHOJOREU jaydhie

        Superpilipinas, how does the Catholic Church support the prevention of
        maternal deaths, abortions and unplanned pregnancies?  How? If it has
        supported all of these preventions, can you please explain to us the
        uncontrolled increase number of  population in our country? as well as
        the increased mortatlity rate of mothers?  please do so.  Because the
        only support that I have in my mind that the Catholic Church gives is as
        far as I know is also immoral.  Unless you also want to legalize same
        sex marriage, I think that could definitely solve our country’s problems
        with this RH Bill.   

      • jinx

        What an obstinate fool.

      • Albergi Galen

         isa ka pa!  pisak ba ang isang mata mo at kalahati lang ng mundo ang nakikita mo?  anong HEALTH ng babae pinagsasabi ninyo?  na painumin ninyo ng carcinogenic (pills) ang babae, saksakan ng bakal na bubutas sa matres niya (IUD), waratin ang bahay-bata niya para hindi makakapit ang bagong nilalang (fertilized egg) at tuluyan itong mamatay, at kung ano-ano pang gadgets at chemicals dahil lamang mapilit si lalake?  NASAAN ANG EQUALITY DIYAN?  puro katawan ng babae ang magdurusa, si lalake, pasarap lang?  kawawa sa RH Bill ang babae, lalo na ang mga maralitang babae, mangmang na, pinagsasamantalahan pa!  kung gusto ninyong matulungan talaga ang babae, turuan ninyong igalang ang sarili nila, ang pagkatao nila, ang pagkababae nila, na hindi sila mamamatay kung tatanggi sila sa naglalaway nilang mga lalaki o asawa.  IYAN ANG TUNAY NA EMPOWERMENT, hindi yung para silang doormat, dumating at umalis ang lalaki, nandyan sila para pagpahiran ng paa!  bigyan mo ng contracptives ang babae, wala na silang excuse para tumanggi sa mga brutong lalaki, dahil hindi naman sila mabubuntis eh.  pero lagi ba nilang gusto kapag gusto ng lalaki?  matuto silang HUMINDI kung ayaw nila.  at kung ayaw din nilang isulong sa panganib ang mga katawan nila sa paggamit ng mga contraceptives. 

      • $29483279

         The fact that no one likes your comment means that you talk nonsense , Damaso?

      • reddfrog

        Try your nonsense and fearmongering on the uneducated so it will have some chance of working.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

        ang sinasabi mo ba ay yung kinalakihan mong pamilya? ganyan ba kayo sa inyo? kasi wala pa ako nakikitang ganyan, pahiran ba ng paa yung nanay mo? kawawa ka naman pero hindi lahat ng pilipino ay kagaya ng pamilya nyo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CAI3TOZ3WREREWTHO6X3I4BZDU Jaggy Lopez

        i truly believe you would’ve had a fun time during the dark ages, middle ages, up until the industrial revolution :))

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TQSQVCSU37TIR2ZD3QFHOJOREU jaydhie

         UNLIKE!

      • mnlmad

        The Pope has allowed the use of condoms in matters concerning health. I am a Catholic but I strongly support the RH Bill., Stop ranting about us not Catholics just because we support RH Bill. Dark age minded. Haay!

      • magsasakasanayon

        what an idiot. you should first teach those idiot bishops the meaning of 
        discipline, sacrifice, and humanity. 

      • Sam

         “Protestants selectively believe what they want to believe for convenience.”

        You must be a troll, because you clearly have no idea what a protestant believes.

      • KingKuppa

        then it’s time to excommunicate all Filipino Catholics that do not adhere to all the teachings of the Catholic Church, then let’s see how many will be left.  Catholics will be a minority then

      • reddfrog

        7000?

      • $29483279

         Ha ha ha ha super agree.

      • $29483279

        Kamagmanagan ang sinasabi mo. Kagaguhan ang concept mo sa protestants at wala kang alam.

        You are just bringing back the sad memories of the cruel inquisition period.

        Tsupeeeh!

      • $29483279

         Saan mapupulot sa Holy Bible ang sinasabi mo? Ang hirap sa atin mahilig tayong magkalat ng doctrinang dispalinghado.

        Hindi na bulag at tanga mga pilipino for your info, po kung hindi ninyo alam.

    • jinx

       Wow, there’s just no shortage of brilliance among Pro-RH supporters. Mabuhya ka!

  • drukins kaz

    tanginang mga pari yan kikitid ng utak! lech!

  • Sam

    It’s getting time to throw out the bishops. Oh sure, we can’t sack them, but there is no reason to do anything they say, and there is less and less reason for the Media to bother reporting their opinions. Make it so you have to go to Church to hear them, otherwise you are saved from listening to their backward dark age rants.

  • jgl41456

    These catholic bishops many of whom received gifts (bribes) from GMA have lost their moral acendancy and now have become ungodly tyrants suppressing freedom of speech and of choice! We will vote according to our conscience and not according to the dictates of these discredited friars who should be consigned to the distbin of public opinion!!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CAI3TOZ3WREREWTHO6X3I4BZDU Jaggy Lopez

      *SIGH*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RDGSX2X4U55HS6NNYQHMNB7RCQ papaboar75

    Inquisition all over again, if they get sacked they should do a class suit.

  • wawa2172

    I just wonder why Ateneo would have to adopt a hardline stance on faculty members whose line of thinking is different from Catholic belief as far as reproductive health is concern. Its just like saying that if you are not a catholic doctrine believers then do not teach or enroll in Ateneo. Now I am thankful to be educated in a state U where religious belief is not a factor. My wife whose a catholic but a supporter of RH Bill like me, is teaching in the state U. I pity the faculty members of Ateneo who signed in support of the RH bill. I thought that Ateneo thought its students the concept of democracy and Noy is one of its students. Thus this mean that if an Atenean competes in debate he must be on anti-RH bill side always? The RH bill is not about abortion but reproductive health and options to plan the size of the family. Most of all its for responsible parenthood.

    • superpilipinas

      Your wife is not a Catholic if she supports RH. Only people who believe in the Catholic doctrines 100% are Catholics. Keep that in mind.

      • mnlmad

        You must have been so brainwashed by your bishops. Pity,pity.

      • efriend

        “Give unto Caesar what is Ceasar’s…”  Did it make people “not Catholic” if they followed His will?

      • indiosbravos2002

        If that is how you qualify a member of the Rman Catholic Church, you’ll have less than 10% of the population which makes the church pretty irrelevant. Not everyone is hardcore Cahtolic. Keep that in mind.

      • Sam

        In that case your religion is insignificant in this country. Even the priests don’t believe it all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/reuben.uy.3 Reuben Uy

        even the pope supports the use of condoms. research it. “oh noez the pope is not catholicz anymorez”–superpilipinas

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

        wow with your line of thinking the catholic population in this country will shrink and lose 70% of its members and probably a few more percentage of its priests…. then maybe super can become a bishop or maybe an archbishop, or  why stop there lets make him the POPE…..

      • wawa2172

        Oh really, then 99%  of the Filipinos are not real Catholics.  Since me and my wife were  baptized in a catholic church nung wala pa kaming pag iisip about Catholic doctine so hindi pala kami katoliko? Does it mean na kung hindi pareho ang belief namin sa mga taga CBCP about reproductive health then were not Catholic? I guess you are saying that  if you are Pro RH Bill then then you are not a Catholic? Religion can’t save us, it is still our personal belief and relationship with GOD that would do it. I still maintain though that I don’t have to follow every word of Catholic doctrine to be called Catholic. I haven’t even read the Philippine constitution in full and I call myself a Filipino because I was born in this country. God gave us the freedom to choose of what is wrong and bad. I choose to be a responsible parent, me and my wife is committed to family planning to give our kids a better life and kami rin nang misis ko.

    • Luis Pasuelo

      ateneo did not “adopt a hardline stance on faculty members whose line of thinking is different from Catholic belief as far as reproductive health is concern.”

      the story says the CBCP wants the teachers sacked. it doesn’t say ateneo wants said teacers to be sacked.

  • CyberPinoy

    Sa ginagawa nitong mga taga CBCP parang gusto ko na mag pa convert sa Christian Church.  Konti nalang pakikialam magpapa-convert na ako, CBCP Officials are too interfering ..

    • superpilipinas

      Free will to everyone.

      • indiosbravos2002

        Your funny. You use “free will” only when its suits you. How about the free will of the 159 profs/teachers?

      • superpilipinas

        free will is free will. the teachers…they are free to teach elsewhere. no one is forcing them to teach in Ateneo. Not everone are also free to teach in Ateneo since Ateneo is free to select their own teachers.

      • indiosbravos2002

        No, that is not the issue. You can not impose your faith or doctrines on your employees. Thats stupid. Pano na lang kung mayari ng school Muslim. Should it follow that the school teacher and staff should convert to the muslim faith or lose their jobs?
        Besides, the Ateneo did not select these people because of religion. They were selected because of their academic qualifications. Yong Ph.D. Or Ma ba? If religion is tje basis of employment, then the Ateneo should have fired long ago most of their Philosophy teachers for heresy. hehehe. You wont undertand if you are not from that school.

    • anakkatutubo

      lipat na dalian mo na. hindi ka naman naniniwala sa catholic teachings eh…mabuti na yong kunting katoliko pero tunay na naniniwala sa turo. 

  • Sam

      Leandro Medroso is a bishop for the Catholic Taliban. He does not speak for 71% of all Catholics who support the bill. If they keep on interfering in government – make the Church pay tax!

    • superpilipinas

      Catholics are 100% Catholics. There are no 71%. Either you believe the teachings 100% and you’re a Catholic or you don’t and you’re a protestant.

      • Gerry los banos

         Those who believe the biblical teachings 100% are also 100% stupid.

      • superpilipinas

        Another Thank You. People who describe with that word makes us look good since we don’t call the other side…stupid.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CAI3TOZ3WREREWTHO6X3I4BZDU Jaggy Lopez

        WTF? troll?

      • superpilipinas

        Thank you. Your words make those still undecided choose wisely. I think they’d rather not choose WTF.

      • mnlmad

        What you are saying is NOT true. There are thinking Catholics you know. Im sorry to say but you are a blind follower. If the church says the Earth is flat, you will believe? You have no brain?

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. There is no such religion as “Thinking Catholics”. There is only Roman Catholics or Orthodox Catholics or Syriac Catholics and so on. Roman Catholics are they are if and only if they believe the Roman Catholic teachings 100%….or…he-he-he…they can be Protestants.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2CXLGBSV34YKNAZPFJWF5J7LE4 parsley

         don’t feed the troll peeps.

      • efriend

        NOPE. Some are cafeteria Catholics.  They are still Catholics.

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. That’s what they want to believe and why I said they are in denial. They are no different to protestants and protestants are not Catholics.

      • Sam

         There are Catholics who have the ability to think, and those who can’t think for themselves. It’s clear which group you belong to.

      • superpilipinas

        You’re right. I one of the true Catholics. The people who after thinking about the Catholic doctrines stay as true Catholics.

      • Guest

        God almighty is a loving and merciful god. He treats His creations equally including sinners, except when you are not Catholic. You see, Catholics are more equal than non-Catholics. Of course, the measure of Catholicism is not about having the free will to think or to meditate with one’s conscience, but to submit blindly to those who declared their own authority and moral superiority.
        I guess this is how you think. How pitiful.

      • superpilipinas

        He-he-he. Catholics have free will to be Catholics. They all have free will to leave and not be Catholics. That’s how I think and I’m enjoying.

      • Sam

         71% of Catholics would not agree with you.

      • superpilipinas

        Of course. You mean the pretenders right?

      • Boboyboi

         So you are saying the Pope is a protestant? A few days back he said using condoms are ok for certain reasons. The Catholic Church  do not support and even condemn the use of artificial contraceptives for whatever reason.

        So what now, the Pope is not 100% Catholic base on your logic, should he be considered a protestant?

      • superpilipinas

        The Pope is 100% Catholic. You misred. Did you read the context of what he sid? he-he-he. Read again. Read the HIV/AIDS part.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    The bishops are clearly out of touch with the vast majority of catholics who support the passage of the RH bill.

  • ashleybulls

    We call for freedom of religion — the law should protect employee affected by religious harassment. People have the right to choose for we believe in conscience vote. CBCP is DICTATORSHIP!!!

  • ryan andres

    talaga nga naman…

  • haneylore

    Ateneo has its mission-vision. If supporting the RH bill counters the content of the mission-vision then these teachers should teach elsewhere. In its Mission-Vision, Ateneo describes itself as Filipino, Catholic, and Jesuit.

    • Guest

      “and Jesuit.” Answers your concern.

    • JunPyo123

      Read your last word. That should suffice.

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       haney, the head of the Institution of Church and Social Studies, Father John J. Carroll, is pro-responsible family planning, because of his experience working in Payatas.

      I think him being on ADMU’s payroll already says a lot about the school’s atmosphere.

  • MULEN

    How about sacking first the pedophile priests instead of keeping mum about the despicable crime committed against children and reassigning these pedo priests elsewhere?

  • efriend

    Why didn’t they sack the Mitsubishops?  Why didn’t they sack the child molesters?  Can somebody release the names of pedophile priests in the PHL so we all know who sucked?

  • Boboyboi

    Tsk tsk tsk. Eto mga kaibigan ang isang dahilan kung bakit maraming
    Katoliko ang nagpapalit ng kanilang relihiyon o kaya naman ay nagagalit
    sa mga pinuno nito.

    Heller?! Diba ang turo sa mga Atenista (gaya ko) ay kung pano maging
    malawak ang pananaw at pagiiisip? Na ang kaibahan natin sa ibang
    nilalang na nilikha ng Diyos ay ang kakayahan nating mag-isip ng
    rasyonal at gamitin ito sa ikabubuti ng sangkatauhan?

    Nagbabago ang mundo, ang sa tingin nyo ay tama noon ay maaring mali na
    bukas. Ang mali noon ay maaaring tama na bukas. Ibig sabihin, nagbabago
    ang pananaw ng tao depende sa panahon. Ilang beses na ba kayo nagkamali sa pananaw nyo? Ilang tao na ang pinatay nyo dahil sa maling pananaw nyo? Hangang ngayon ba ganito pa rin ang ginagawa nyo? Babalik na naman ba tayo sa panahon ng inquisisyon?

    Mga lider ng Simbahang Katoliko, wala kayong karapatan diktahan kami
    kung pano kami magisip at kung ano ang pananaw namin sa mga bagay bagay
    sa mundo. Hindi kami robot! Ang Diyos ang nagbigay sa amin ng utak at
    kami lang ang may karapatan kung pano namin gagamitin ito!

    Tama na ang pakikialam nyo sa usaping wala naman kayo kinalaman! May batas tayo na pinaghihiwalay ang Estado at Simbahan, kayo mismo ay lumalabag sa batas! At huwag nyo kaming sasabihan na iba ang batas ng tao at batas ng Diyos! Alam namin kasi marunong kami magisip para sa sarili naming kapakanan. Mga Ungas!

  • UrHONOR

    GO, Ateneo, GO!  I am solidly all for you!  Choose and vote with your OWN conscience and not with those who are narrow-minded, bigoted, intolerant, and obbstinate garbed in white and helmeted like dunces.  VIVA Ateneo!  If this Torquemadaesque operation go unchecked by the German Shepherd in Vatican, this can be beginning of the end for many a kaTOLik.  Pusang Iro, pati personal choices gustong sakupin ng mga TNL na mga salamangkerong ito.  Ano ang susunod…..anong klase at kulay ng kalsunsilyo ang gagamtin para maging chaste and holy?

    Natatandaan ko ng HS, bawal sa amin ang basahin ang Noli at Fili  at bawal din na kahit tumingin sa simbahan ng ibang sects tulad ng Protestante at INK.  Pag hindi ka nakasuot ng sandong puti, kukurutin ka ng maliit-na-maliit sa dibdib hangga’t magkaroon ng latay at konting dugo ang kurot.  BAGSIK!  Bagsik na bagsik.  Ang mahal-mahal ng matrikula para abusuhin ka.  At ano ang natutunan ko sa discipline (kuno) na yon?  HATRED, APATHY, and DISGUST for those who abused me and treated me like a piece of sheet.  Then if you greet them at any time of the day, iirapan ka lamang na parang bale wala ka lang.  SUCH is what I learned and experience from the black and white “hol(e)y fathers”.  May tunay bang ama na ganun?  Hindi ama ang turing sa ganung pag-aasal kundi amag.  May ama bang kapag tumutol ka sa isang kaisipan, e, itatakwil ka na parang basahan? Onli in kaTOLik tsarts.

     NAKIKI-isa ako sa mga pumirma ng naturang position.  Napapanahon na talaga na BULAGA-IN ang mga naka-piring na mga TNL na nakasayang-puti’t helmet dahil ang kanilang kaisipan ay matagal ng JURASSIC. Ad maiorem dei gloriam not CBCP gloriam.  FABILIOH!!!  Fly high and don’t look down on those passe’ and has-been Torquemadas and Damasos.

  • indiosbravos2002

    Ateneo’s heading to the sh@@thole. Here is the rub. If they sack the teachers, what will hold the teachers not to file a counter lawsuit. You cant just fire someone due to difference in faith. Eh 159 lahat yan. Highly educated professors who I hope will refuse to be bullied by anyone, even by the Catholic church.

    Welcome back to the spanish era everyone!

    • Sam

       ‘You cant just fire someone due to difference in faith.’

      That’s right.

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       I seriously doubt that ADMU will fire all of these professors.

      For crying out loud, Father John J. Carroll, for whom the university’s Institution on Church and Social Issues was named after, agrees that our urban poor need access to responsible family planning and education, based on his experience working in Payatas for 25 years.

      Ateneo has my full support, as long as they will always favor protecting people’s welfare over being bullied by a bunch of out-of-touch, unrealistic, self-righteous blowhards. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

      LOOKS LIKE PADRE DAMASO has reincarnated……welcome to the remake of NOLI ME TANGERE….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YHQE5LFGAIZVUJ3RBSVQZUER2M MhD

      Is this what Jose Rizal has died for????? 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CAI3TOZ3WREREWTHO6X3I4BZDU Jaggy Lopez

    i am amazed with you ;))))) i have been reading all your comments. and its really nice to laugh out loud. thank you. haha

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

    THIS IS WHY THIS COUNTRY IS SO BACKWARDS..  BECAUSE OF ORGANIZED RELIGIONS INTERFERING WITH STATE, COMMUNITY, FAMILY AND PERSONAL AFFAIRS! THIS IS NOT THE 19TH CENTURY..

    TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WITH THESE PRELATES.. THEN THE CHURCH SHOULD HAVE NO BUSINESS GETTING INVOLVED IN CORPORATE AFFAIRS, MUCH LESS KEEP BILLIONS OF PESOS IN TERMS OF CORPORATE STOCKS!

    THEIR ONLY AFFAIR, AS PER CANON LAW, IS TO PROMOTE AND TO PROTECT THE FAITH.. NOTHING SAID ABOUT ENGAGING IN CORPORATE, BUSINESS AFFAIRS.. THAT’S FOR BUSINESSMEN TO DEAL WITH.. NOT WITH THE ARCHBISHOPS NOR ANY RELIGIOUS ORDERS!

    ORGANIZED RELIGION = BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!

    • superpilipinas

      He-he-he. When “influence” has the strength of “interference”, then the “influence” must be a good and meaningful one. Otherwise, it is meaningless and ignored and has no effect.

    • $29483279

       Mga katolikong bishops at Damasos lang naman ang ganyan. Papaano maapektohan ang remittances nila sa Rome.

      Catholicism is biggest and most profitable tax free business in the world

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    SA IKA UUNLAD NG BAYAN,DISPLINA ANG KAILANGAN..
                                                              Marcos.

  • justiceforfilipinos

    I am a graduate of Ateneo and I support all those teachers/professors.  Freedom of choice! We are not in the Dark Ages and this is not Martial Law! The CBCP is practicing dictatorship!  The teachers are not priests so they cannot dictate on their beliefs.

    • superpilipinas

      Yup. You’re free….to teach elsewhere.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        //You’re free….to teach elsewhere.//

        Do you even study in Ateneo?

      • Kagul

        obviously, why do you think he replies that way? (I have friends who studied in Ateneo, so I know how they act)

      • superpilipinas

        Nope. Never said that I did.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUN4WNHYRREW2BVHR2Q2SXJDE4 Teofilo

    TO ALL SENSIBLE CATHOLICS.  HUWAG NA TAYONG MAGBIGAY NG ABULOY OR OFFFERING DURING THE MASS.  LET US PUT OUR LETTERS OF CONCERNS DURING COLLECTION TIME SO THAT OUR CBCP BISHOPS CAN REALIZE THIS.  IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY CAN THE PARISH PRIEST AND BISHOPS SUBMIT OT THE FILIPINO PEOPLE THEIR COLLECTION, BALANCE SHEET AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND THEIR SALN  if they are spousing moral values of honesty, transparency etc.  walang double talk na in pulpit they critize but in reality they violate the very essence of accountability.  O DI KAYA BAKA TAKOT MALAMAN NG BUONG NATION ANG KANILANG KAYAMANAN AND UNEXPLAINED WEALTH.

    • superpilipinas

      Agree. Tell the SENSIBLE CATHOLICS….(is that another religion?)

      To true Roman Catholics, you are awesome!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CAI3TOZ3WREREWTHO6X3I4BZDU Jaggy Lopez

    eck. this was supposed to be a reply to superfilipinas commeeennntttssss eeecckkkk

  • Albergi Galen

    why don’t people who make comments sign with their real names?

    • Boboyboi

       Obviously you are not an Atenean.

      Hindi ganyan kakitid ang utak namin. Kaya huwag ka na humirit sa mga bagay na wala kang kinalaman!

    • superpilipinas

      Ouch!

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       //By their banding together and coming out in open defiance of the
      Catholic Church’s stand on the contentious RH Bill, they ARE already
      “teaching” people to distrust the Church. //

      My friend, you have it all wrong. The Jesuits have been fostering distrust for the CBCP all these years through their theology classes. :D

      • JunPyo123

        I concurrrr brother! Probably the CBCP people should enroll. I suggest they take Liberation Theology. All hail Jesuits.

    • Mons

      Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize us students of the Arrhneo are that much uto-uto at everything our professors say without contemplating first about what it is they are telling us. Because we’re just posh rich kids who just take in everything we hear. Because pricey Ateneo does not at all teach the value of free thinking and let us have our own beliefs. I don’t feel insulted, you know. Not at all.

      And that was sarcasm, if you didn’t realize it.

    • yaonglaan

      eto ako totoong name ko sino takot sa atin ?

  • mnlmad

    Its panic time for the bishops. We support the Ateneo professors.

  • kevinmcn

    Seems the Catholic Church here in the Philippines would like to start their own form of Sharia Law!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUN4WNHYRREW2BVHR2Q2SXJDE4 Teofilo

    agree.  let the bishop pray and provide moral support and no to go into areas where they do no know and have no experience in the reality of RH.  Magkarron kaya sila ng pamilay para marealize.  But i am sure na ang mga priest na may tagong pamilya at anak relaize this>?????????

  • opinyonlangpo

    These bishops are resorting to threats and blackmail. I am pro RH Bill and you don’t have to excommunicate me. I quit.

    • yaonglaan

      The reason I stopped going to church a long time ago 

  • Hey_Dudes

    These are the fine folks who accuses Benigno C. Aquino III a budding dictator?  Geeeezzzz.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUN4WNHYRREW2BVHR2Q2SXJDE4 Teofilo

    CRAZY TALAG ITONG CBCP.  Noong araw pag naexcommunicate and you will die hindi malibing sa catholic cemetery.  BUT TODAY HINDI NA ITO TRUE AND REALISTIC KAHIT EXCOMMINUCATE MO AKO I DO NOT CARE.  PAGNAMATAY AKO I CAN BE BURIED AT THE MEMORIAL PARK WHERE I HAVE MY LOT READY FOR ME AND I DO NOT NEED YOUR BLESSINGS AND YOUR MONEY COLLECTION CEROMIES FOR THE DEAD.

    • yaonglaan

      Correct uto uto na lang naniniwala sa kanila

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TQSQVCSU37TIR2ZD3QFHOJOREU jaydhie

    Superpilipinas, how does the Catholic Church support the prevention of maternal deaths, abortions and unplanned pregnancies?  How? If it has supported all of these preventions, can you please explain to us the uncontrolled increase number of  population in our country? as well as the increased mortatlity rate of mothers?  please do so.  Because the only support that I have in my mind that the Catholic Church gives is as far as I know is also immoral.  Unless you also want to legalize same sex marriage, I think that could definitely solve our country’s problems with this RH Bill.  

    • superpilipinas

      Haaay….it’s been explained many times….but okay…
      here are just a few…..

      Prevention of maternal death:
      1. Maternal deaths – church should influence the government to stop wasting its money in 3Billion pesos worth of condoms and instead provide more health services and nutrition to expecting mothers.
      2. Abortion – church should influence the government to stop wasting its resources to teach children on sex which could encourages some. They should instead teach them the wisdom of obtaining skills to get a job and be productive before getting married.
      3. unplanned pregnancies – church should influence the government at the barangay level to educate parents about planning by natural means.
      Above are only a few. There are many more….he-he-he…but people can only think about them once they remove the “condom” off their brains.

      why is it still uncontrolled? the government is still “condom minded” or corrupt.

      The Catholic Church does not support any immoral action.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

         //1. Maternal deaths – church should influence the government to stop
        wasting its money in 3Billion pesos worth of condoms and instead provide
        more health services and nutrition to expecting mothers.//

        These are already covered in the bill – the same one the church opposes.

        //2. Abortion – church should influence the government to stop wasting its
        resources to teach children on sex which could encourages some. They
        should instead teach them the wisdom of obtaining skills to get a job
        and be productive before getting married.//

        The RH Bill has explicitly stated that abortions will remain illegal. Furthermore, several accredited studies have already proven that a comprehensive RH program will reduce the need for abortions.

        //3. unplanned pregnancies – church should influence the government at the
        barangay level to educate parents about planning by natural means.//

        NFP-only policies are severely limited, and are ineffective for women who have irregular periods. Furthermore, your solution does not provide for any meaningful education to help kids protect themselves against sex abuse (which is in the bill, section 16), or on how to prevent the spread of STDs and AIDs (once again, part of the bill).

        Are you done being an idiot?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

        wow the last time i checked the catholic hierarchy has investments in excess of 100 billion peoses, you think that if they were really and truthfully concerned about helping the people they could at least donate half of these investments for that purpose you so gallantly are educating us that government should do….oh but of course not right…..what the heck those were hard earned donations from the faithful and rightfully invested for the future of the few deserving leaders of the church, let the government worry about the needs of the poor, so far am i right with my assumptions super…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/TQSQVCSU37TIR2ZD3QFHOJOREU jaydhie

        Sulat lang yan eh.. it was only written pero asan ang kilos ng catholic church?  All the priests do is preach and preach… asan ang gawa? hindi ko nga nakikita ang simbahan pumupunta sa mga brgy para magturo ng family planning.  puro nursing student at healthcare practitioners ang nakikita ko.  so asan ang gawa ng church?  you say the church gives support?  ah yeah, alam ko na yung support na sinasabi mo..I forgot, priests rape children too, right? kahit kapwa nila sa loob ng seminary, that is why most of the seminarians I know turned back and left dahil sa mga maling gawa ng mga pari.  And you say the Catholic Church does not support any IMMORAL actions?  And some priests I know are gay.. and you say the Church does not support IMMORAL actions?  And putting these 159 professors out of work, once proven, leaving their family hungry, how would you call that? I would call that UNCATHOLIC.  Oh yeah, I almost forgot, a priest also killed my Lola’s sister who happens to be a nun, during the peak of EDSA Revolution because she didn’t want to support the Church.  And you say the CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT SUPPORT ANY IMMORAL ACTION… I wonder what kind of Catholic Church you are referring to.  Don’t blame the government.  Corruption is only in the mind, therefore the church people are also prone to being corrupt because, as far as I can remember, priests are human too.  Problems like this should have been already solved if the Catholic church had not interfered.  So, don’t blame the government.  Remember, whenever you are pointing a finger at someone, try looking at the rest of your three fingers and see where they are pointing at.  

  • indiosbravos2002

    Inquirer should STOP covering these good for nothng bishops. They can just use the pulpit for their antiRH sentiments. We want real news not threats from a fast becoming irrelevant church. This only confirms that the church is fast losing its grip on social reality. Its trying to flex its political muscle and impose its influence. Thing is what muscle, what influence? I have not heard any one candidate that won because of the so called “Catholic block”.

    • superpilipinas

      They can’t stop because the bishops are great!

      RH is simply still a piece of paper after 14 years because and only because of the “Catholic block”.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

         It’s spelled “bloc”

        And furthermore, you’d have to be an especially blind zealot to think that watching our population, teen pregnancies, infant mortality, and maternal death rates balloon over the years – thanks to the vote of people like you – is cause for celebration.

      • superpilipinas

        Oo nga naman “bloc”…moral lesson…don’t cut n paste 2 much.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

        like i said pilosopong tasyo…..

  • browndarwinian

    “Of all the supposed virtues, FAITH must be the most overrated.

    Once you assume a creator and a plan, it makes us objects, in a cruel experiment, whereby we are created sick, and commanded to be well. I’ll repeat that. Created sick, and then ordered to be well.

    And over us, to supervise this, is installed a celestial dictatorship, a kind ofdivine North Korea. Exigent, I would say, more than exigent greedy for, uncritical praise, from dawn until dusk. And swift to punish the original sins with which it so tenderly gifted us in the very first place.

    An eternal, unalterable, judge jury and executioner, against whom there could be, no appeal. And who wasn’t finished with you, even when you died. However! Let no one say there’s no cure, salvation is offered, redemption, indeed, is promised, at the low price, of the surrender of your critical faculties.

    Religion, it might be said, must be said, would have to admit, makes extraordinary claims, but though I would maintain that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, rather daringly provides not even ordinary evidence for its extraordinary supernatural claims. To insist that we are created and not evolved, in the face of all the evidence.

    Religion forces nice people to do unkind things, and also makes intelligent people say stupid things. Handed a small baby for the first time, is it your first reaction to think, “beautiful, almost perfect. Now please hand me the sharp stone for its genitalia, that I may do the work of the Lord”? No.

    As the great physicist Steven Weinberg has aptly put it, in the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion.

    Religion, and in fact any form of faith,–because it is a surrender of reason, a surrender of reason in favor of faith is a fantastic force multiplier. A tremendous intensifier, of all things that are in fact divisive rather than inclusive. That’s why its history is so stained with blood. Not just of crimes against humanity, crimes against womanhood, crimes against reason and
    science, attacks upon medicine and enlightenment, all these appalling things.

    There is no conceivable way, that by calling on the supernatural, you will achieve anything like your objective of a common humanism which is, I think you’re quite right to say, our only chance of — I won’t call it salvation.” -Hitch

    • Alvin777

      Good job my brother in reason

    • JunPyo123

      Okay, a very profound read this is. But, would you please enlighten me how this academically excellent write-up is related to the news article, please?

  • Albergi Galen

    What more proof of wrong teaching is needed?  That those professors have banded together and come out in open defiance of the Catholic Church’s stand on the contentious RH Bill means they ARE already teaching!  Teaching doesn’t happen only inside classrooms.  It’s so disappointing that supposedly intelligent professors–and in Ateneo, at that–could be so myopic and fail to see that the bill’s “good” points are but sugarcoating on the poison it really is.  I wonder why parents would enrol their children in pricey Ateneo when they could be just as confused in a state university.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y3IZXZF3ADCIQYIIXBXAGPBEG4 Jose Maria

      watch your words Albergi Galen. you are already impugning the credibility of institutions directly and indirectly.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5WPCYA2NAE55RYQJPP57YFKG4Y Mau

      Schools should equip students with information in order to DECIDE ABOUT ISSUES THEMSELVES, not just mindless spoonfeeding and brainwashing! Free thinking irritates CBCP because when people realize that they can decide for themselves, the church loses power. 

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      What good points are your pointing about? Bottom line: The Bill –  Kills Babies…They no good points to it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

        idiot – hindi pa baby yun. contraception yun at hindi abortion. mis-informed ka ng mga obispo. nabubuo lang yung kapag nafertilized na.

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        ok na tama ka kung gusto mo yan ang definition. Bakit ba? ang obispo pa ang nag-sabi….Galit ka lang sa mundo…mag-basa ka na ng Scientific Journals. BnSp!

  • Htims

    grabe naman, balak pa ng mga bishops na patayin sila at ilagay sa sako.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

    NOW I’M STARTING TO THINK AGAIN, “WHAT IS IT REALLY BEING A FILIPINO CATHOLIC?”..

    ORGANIZED RELIGION = BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES

    THIS IS NOT THE 19th CENTURY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

    YOU ARE THE MAIN REASON WHY THIS COUNTRY IS SO BACKWARDS! INTERFERING WITH STATE AFFAIRS BUT HAS LESS OR NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL BEING PROGRESSIVE! 

    TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WITH YOU HYPOCRITE PRELATES, YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE ENGAGED BUSINESS AND CORPORATE AFFAIRS!

    WHY DOES THE ARCHBISHOP OF MANILA HAVE BILLIONS OF PESOS OF STOCKS UNDER MERALCO, SAN MIGUEL, ETC.? MUCH WORSE WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS ORDERS!

    LET’S SEE HOW GOD WILL SEE YOU THEN..

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Really? Where did you get that thinking. The point is… you can have a choice but I should have mine too. Don’t shove it off my throat.. Church and State – yes it has been separated for a long time. Can’t stop the Cathoic church about its belief – what stops you from aborting and using condoms… none!!! If you are not a believer of Christ – what is the problem of the churches views and beliefs. The problem is you are empowing the Gov’t to force us to sin. Bottom line- RH Bill – Kills!!! No matter how you slice and dice and flavor it. Misinformation? Really! Intolerant? Really!. When did your Faith and Beliefs have power over your choices? But don’t empower the gov’t to enforce RH bill and it’s tactics….We will definitely loss. RH Bills – Kills Human Babies – our very future…. Check it sponsors – an it idealogy, read about them and check the stats over the years – pain and suffering is at the same level – they got richer., not you , the people they are trying to help. Missed the point!!… Have a backbone! Separation of Church and State….. Boohoo!!…. its been used all the time….never worked and never will. — Mr. Calvin Flores!! The church on earth is ran by humans but God is still in control… Have Faith… 2000+ year and you get convinced from these so-called intellectual who existed less than 50 years and their mother chose to give them life? Think?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

        IF YOU’RE MISSING MY POINT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT RH BILL.. MY POINT IS WHY ASK FOR THESE PROFESSORS’ HEADS TO ROLL BECAUSE THEY’RE TEACHING WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS BEST FOR THEIR STUDENTS? I GUESS WE SHOULDN’T STEP THAT LINE THEN.. THIS ISN’T ABOUT SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE..

        THIS IS SIMPLY ABOUT FREEDOM TO EDUCATION AND INFORMATION DIMWIT!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HZEJBLDYQ3PPPJ4ULY3WQYKIUY Jason

        You really miss the point… please read the RH Bill before making comments…it makes you sound just like a BIG TIME IDIOT….’empowing the Gov’t to force us to sin’.. NOBODY is forcing you to sin… you are just being given a choice….

    • Rigoberto_Doronila

      Pass the RH Bill now and tomorrow, the Philippines will become a developed nation, because:
      1. Foreign investors would start flocking to the Philippines because of investor-friendly provisions in the constitution. 
      2. Manufacturing would see a sudden boost because we have one of the cheapest electricity rates in the world.
      3. Research & Development would take off because we have the best science and maths education in Asia.
      4.Businesses will grow exponentially because of the ease of doing business and the cost of doing business here (including red tape, kickbacks, payoffs) is very low.
      5. All those OFWs will start coming home because of the many jobs that will be instantly created once this Bill is passed. Nevermind that they will start having sexy time with their spouses once here, therefore, risking making more babies, because contraceptives will be highly available.
      6.Rich professionals and businessmen will love staying here because of our 35% + top income tax (for income anywhere) is much better than Hong Kong’s 15%. Not to mention, their personal security is assured because we have no kidnappers, carnappers, holduppers.
      7. Countries like the US, in Western Europe and Japan experience their biggest economic growth, not in the 1950s population boom, but these days, when the birth rate is very low.
      8. Our tourism infrastructure is the best in Asia.
      9. There’s no corruption in government. There’s a level playing field in private business. THIS I’M VERY SURE OF.10.IN OTHER WORDS, Because those poor kids running around are themselves thereason why they are poor. They should stop being born. THEY’RE THE BIGGEST DEVELOPMENT PROBLEM THE COUNTRY FACES. Let’s not devote public money to just maternal and child care. We should spend those billions on condoms and IUDs. FINALLY, DEVELOPMENT IS NOT THE BEST CONTRACEPTIVE. Contraceptives are the best for development. LOL.
      (Sarcasm, cough! cough!)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FB6Q72WB5X4YUEEX5CKVVMR6KA just

    Can’t blame the church, can’t blame the professors. Let’s just agree to differ. Leave the choice to the women, they know their bodies and they have been warned both ways. Let’s leave the governance to the government and morality with the church. There is the separation of church and state.

    • JunPyo123

      I concur. Why can’t we just indeed agree to ‘disagree’ and respect both parties? Do we need to use sheer influence to coerce, intimidate, or threaten?

      It is the duty of the government to provide all possible services, as long as legal and adheres to the constitution, for its constituents, regardless of religious preferences. Morality, faith, and the likes are the obligations of the church. There is a clear line between these 2 powerful institutions. 

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Really? Where did you get that thinking. The point is… you can have a choice but I should have mine too. Don’t shove it off my throat.. Church and State – yes it has been separated for a long time. Can’t stop the Cathoic church about its belief – what stops you from aborting and using condoms… none!!! If you are not a believer of Christ – what is the problem of the churches views and beliefs. The problem is you are empowing the Gov’t to force us to sin. Bottom line- RH Bill – Kills!!! No matter how you slice and dice and flavor it. Misinformation? Really! Intolerant? Really!. When did your Faith and Beliefs have power over your choices? But don’t empower the gov’t to enforce RH bill and it’s tactics….We will definitely loss. RH Bills – Kills Human Babies – our very future…. Check it sponsors – an it idealogy, read about them and check the stats over the years – pain and suffering is at the same level – they got richer., not you , the people they are trying to help. Missed the point!!… Have a backbone! Separation of Church and State….. Boohoo!!…. its been used all the time….never worked and never will.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

        did you even read the RH bill,” Empowering the gov’t to force you to sin?” is that your understanding of what the RH Bill will do……i suggest you read and comprehend it first before writing all these excuses and none sense, after reading it point out to us were it is written that you are forced to sin…..if you did (sin) then it was your choice nobody said you have to use pills or condoms or else go to jail, all the rh bill does is make it available to those who want to use it and otherwise can’t afford to buy it, stop this notion that you are the only religion that the government should cater too, not everyone in the philippines is a catholic, heck not all catholics believe in the same things, so drop that attitude that the government is only for the catholics and by the catholics………….welcome to reality, or wake up and smell the cofffee…….

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Yes, Read it over and over. RH Bill Kills…. If you chose to be blind….. you are blind to the truth.. chose life , not principle…. Don’t miss the point. chose life….. Yes, I smelled and drank the coffee

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HZEJBLDYQ3PPPJ4ULY3WQYKIUY Jason

        nobody is forcing you to sin!?  you are just being given a choice… idiot

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Easy there…. Don’t pop a view… you still missed the point. Given a choice? from whose mandate…. yours or mine or ours…. opps.. yours only… in the meantime, my tax money doesn’t count…. oh.. by the way, in the thought, can we also mandate the we be given a choice not the pay a portion of that tax that only goes to you and your lifestyle…. Miss the point… i’ll be charitable… go Viper!!

      • MsPoint

        What stops me from having abortions and having uncontrolled unsafe sex is my innate sense of Morality–not some doctrine or some Church. What you say implies that if the Church would not be against things like abortion, then you’d be okay with doing it. I don’t know, but that’s the logic I got from your statement. I could be wrong, the comment needed some deciphering. 

        “Empowering the government to force us to sin”? The government will never be able to force me to sin. I don’t know about you, but I was born with free will. I won’t be going around sinning because I can, that’s just weird. This law being passed will not make me any more likely to have sex or be depraved, it just makes me and every Filipino more likely to have the proper health care when we need it. We’re not shoving anything down your throat, you’re shoving your beliefs in ours. This law being enacted won’t take away anything from you but will prevent the provision of health care for a vast majority. If condoms are available, and you don’t agree with it, don’t use it. But don’t expect everyone else to subscribe to the same doctrine as you. 

        Oh and, the Philippines has enough babies. So I think our future is safe. 

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        If you chose to be blind….. you will be blind to the truth.. chose life , not principle…. Don’t miss the point. chose life.

      • MsPoint

        I’m not supposed to choose principle? Oh, I got your point alright. No to a principled life, but to a generally “Catholic”-truth filled life. Not to be blind, but to turn a blind eye to all other perspectives. Not to be principled. Right. No thank you.

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        What other perspectives? Oh Yeah! One big plus about Education, it can teach how to beat around the bush and claim it as profound awakening or wisdom.

      • MsPoint

        Oh, you got me. I surrender defeat to you, he who knows everything in the world. No one else can compare to your intellect and superseding perspective. I should bow down to you, o great one. He who claims to know the absolute will of the Lord even though it has been said that man is but a cup and the Lord an ocean for we can never fully understand his will and never can we claim authority over his word. But I digress. I hope you never send your children to school, the education system would not teach them critical thinking but to beat around the bush. That’s a shame, and to think the Universities has its origins in religion. I wonder what kind of seed was sown then. 

         I surrender. You win. 

  • Albergi Galen

     boboyboi–the Pope supporting use of condoms?  really… people will believe what they want to believe.  

    • MULEN

      The pedo priests practice what they preach. They don’t use condoms when they sodomize young boys.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DF2WFAJ7RANYEN7U2KAPH7V4WQ Jerry John

    Dapat yan sa CBCP Revoke their tax. And apply taxes on them too. So they will help put funds in the government savings to help find ways in maintaining our population..

  • John_Galt_II

    Para namang may kwenta pa sila!
    Malapit ng maubos ang mga uto-uto niyo!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

    You know whats wrong about these BISHOPS (not all but probably most) is the fact that they think and act as if they are above everybody else when  in fact they are just as human and as erring as any of us, if anything they are probably worst than most of us, because they cloak themselves under the veil of their titles, and even when they know that they are just like us…….sinners, they have the audacity to think they have a license to think otherwise

  • Albergi Galen

     hay naku, ang babaw nyo talaga!  symbol lang yang condom!  symbol ng kakulangan ng self-control.  ang itinuturo ng simbahan katoliko ay: ikaw ay isang tao, nilalang ng Diyos, anak ng Diyos, meron kang POWER inside you to rise above your LIBOG, do you understand!? 

    • tamumd

      You are freaking hypocrite just like your Mitshubishops! I’m sure you polish your carrot on a regular basis! lol

      • Albergi Galen

        sorry to disappoint you, no, i don’t!  nagpo-project ka ano?  he he he…

      • tamumd

        You’re a liar! Not unless you’re quadriplegic…i would believe you. All males have done those and are doing those one way of another. The seminarians and priest are masters of those! hehehehehe

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       //ang itinuturo ng simbahan katoliko ay: ikaw ay isang tao, nilalang ng
      Diyos, anak ng Diyos, meron kang POWER inside you to rise above your
      LIBOG, do you understand!? //

      Please – tell us the last time an abstinence-only approach to sex education worked.

    • Ramon Ramiro

       so yung mga inaabusong mga babae nganganga lang kapag hindi maka rise above the libog yung mga asawa nilang walang pakialam? na walang reproductive health para sa mga nangangailangan?
      o gagawa mo ng dahilan dahil hindi naman ‘karaniwan’ na pangyayari ito?
      mag-isip isip ka muna. hindi ata lahat ng bagay na nangyayari nakikita mo. isipin mo rin yung kabilang banda, hindi lang yung sa’yo.
      naiintindihan ko na mainam magpigil hanggat makakaya – pero ayun nga, hindi lahat kaya gawin ito. paano na yung mga babaeng biktima lamang?

      • Albergi Galen

        Ramon,  isa ka pa!  pisak ba ang isang mata mo at kalahati lang ng mundo ang
        nakikita mo?  anong HEALTH ng babae pinagsasabi ninyo?  na painumin
        ninyo ng carcinogenic (pills) ang babae, saksakan ng bakal na bubutas sa
        matres niya (IUD), waratin ang bahay-bata niya para hindi makakapit ang
        bagong nilalang (fertilized egg) at tuluyan itong mamatay, at kung
        ano-ano pang gadgets at chemicals dahil lamang mapilit si lalake? 
        NASAAN ANG EQUALITY DIYAN?  puro katawan ng babae ang magdurusa, si
        lalake, pasarap lang?  kawawa sa RH Bill ang babae, lalo na ang mga
        maralitang babae, mangmang na, pinagsasamantalahan pa!  kung gusto
        ninyong matulungan talaga ang babae, turuan ninyong igalang ang sarili
        nila, ang pagkatao nila, ang pagkababae nila, na hindi sila mamamatay
        kung tatanggi sila sa naglalaway nilang mga lalaki o asawa.  IYAN ANG
        TUNAY NA EMPOWERMENT, hindi yung para silang doormat, dumating at umalis
        ang lalaki, nandyan sila para pagpahiran ng paa!  bigyan mo ng
        contracptives ang babae, wala na silang excuse para tumanggi sa mga
        brutong lalaki, dahil hindi naman sila mabubuntis eh.  pero lagi ba
        nilang gusto kapag gusto ng lalaki?  matuto silang HUMINDI kung ayaw
        nila.  at kung ayaw din nilang isulong sa panganib ang mga katawan nila
        sa paggamit ng mga contraceptives. 

    • JunPyo123

      Na-try mo na? Good for you. Tell that to the marginalized sectors, sa mga mahihirap, sa mga squatters. Goodluck!

      • Albergi Galen

        ang baba naman ng tingin ninyo sa mahihirap at mga squatters!

      • JunPyo123

        Bakit pare, have you been with them? Ako oo. And this is one of their plights. Hindi kababaan ang pag tingin sa katotohanan. At hindi ko sila minamaliit. What I just mentioned is a reality that they, the marginalized sectors, even openly share. 

        Ang katotohanan is mahirap yang pagpipigil na yan. And maraming factors ang concerned. That includes the social and psychological factors. Case in point, uuwi ang lasing o pagod na mister mula sa trabaho. Kumakalabit. Either sa takot na baka madisappoint ang mister at sa ibang kama magpainit or dahil sa pakiramdam na obligasyon nila na iraos ang mister, mangyayari at mangyayari ang pagtalik.Another case in point, the social environment itself. Go to Payatas pare, or Tondo. Or Isla Puting Bato. If you’ve been immersed enough, you should know what I am trying to say.As for me, been there and I’m not talking out of thin air.Masyado kang idealistic. Your ideology is far-fetched. Out of touch. Siguro para saiyo madali ang abstinence. But that’s for you. And it does not reflect those of others’. If this is about morality issues, kung sa tingin ko kababaan ito ng pagkatao dahil sa kahinaan ng tao laban sa tawag ng laman, sino ba ang may tungkulin na dapat gampanan?Ikaw ata ang may mababang pag tingin pare.

    • against_discrimination

       really? tamaan ka ng kidlat! hahahaha

  • kulittwit

    The bishops could not even convince most catholics to attend sunday mass regularly. the bishops are failures. Most catholics do not follow what they say. Most catholics go to church only an average of 15 times a year for KBL – kasal, binyag, libing, and fiesta, christmas, holy week.

    Catholic doctrine say it is a sin to miss the sunday mass. And this should be confessed. The vast majority of catholics are committing a sin every week just by not attending sunday mass.

    Instead of motivating catholics to attend sunday mass regularly what the bishops are doing is the other way around: most catholics do not want to hear political sermons on social issues during the mass.

    The bishops are totally missing the point. they are losing the hearts, minds, and the soul of most catholics.

  • quirinomayer

    To all pro-RH bloggers: will someone with the talent for these things draft a position paper condemning the inquisitorial action of the CBCP on the pro-RH faculty members of the Ateneo and then post it in a website for all enlightened and freedom-loving Filipinos to sign?  I am sure that in no time at all, we can surpass their online petition calling on the Ateneo to fire the 159 professors espousing the RH Bill.

    • killerelite

      ikaw naka isip …IKAW GUMAWA!

  • kulittwit

    Libog is a natural biological need. you need to release this regularly. just like the seminarians who masturbate their way through high school and college in the seminary.

    • indiosbravos2002

      Thing is they stop masturbating after the seminary thats why you have priests na nambababae at mga naglaladlad na pari. Wag palapitin mga bata baka pedophile pa yan.

  • AntonioPeYangIII

    Click like if you now picture Archbishop Palma doing a Sith Lord impersonation and saying “Every single Jesuit is now an enemy of the Republic.”

    • JunPyo123

      HAHA

  • killerelite

    ANG TATAPANG NYO SUMUPORTA SA RH BILL PORKET MGA BUHAY NA KAYO NGAYON! 

    – unborn

    • Ramon Ramiro

      Ang tapang mong bigyan ng diin ang mga hindi pa buhay. Kailan mo bibigyan ng pansin na hindi lamang ang mga darating na buhay ang kailangan alalahanin, kundi ang mga buhay na ngayon?
      Mararaming biktima lamang ng iba. Kung magsasabi ka ng ganyan, lagyan mo man lang ng dahilan. Maging bukas sa mga usapan. Katulad ng sinasabi sa paaralan ko, kailangan  may dialogue. Hindi dapat yung sariling isip lang aalalahanin.

      • killerelite

        naiintindihan mo ba ang sinabi mo? hindi ko alam kung nagta-tanga tangahan ka lang o talagang hindi mo alam kung para saan ang RH Bill at kung sino ang direktang tina target nito. Bumalik ka na lang muna kaya sa paaralan mo pag aralan mo ang isyu!

    • Alvin777

      Oo bakit masama

    • AntonioPeYangIII

      Bad argument. The unborn wouldn’t have coherent thoughts since they haven’t developed a brain yet.

  • Alvin777

    Kcuf uoy CBCP. Age of reason and secularism is coming.

  • kulittwit

     Libog is a natural biological need. you need to release this regularly.
    just like the seminarians who masturbate their way through college in
    the seminary.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZNY6SZAXUMAXWXRABG7DW2ZFA Bad_wolf

    Dito na kayo sa U.P. Walang engot hahabol sa inyo,

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

      All filled-up na sa UP. How about SUC’s in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao? They surely would need more teachers there.

  • PSU SITE

    Ka-OAan ng CBCP. 

  • anakkatutubo

    ok lang yan. hindi naman kailangan marami eh. kahit kukunti lang pero solido…

  • MrJoseRizal

    Is this a joke??? I hope Ateneo doesn’t back down to this

  • boshog

    These bishops are a bunch of morons.  Don’t force your religious beliefs on people.  These professors you are trying to intimidate are merely showing their support for a practical, beneficial, and thoughtful bill.  They are not teaching anything outside school curriculum.  Why don’t you bishops instead tend to your erring flock  rapists, child molesters, and corruption supporters.  I bet you, that if money was thrown your way, you bishops would shut up.

  • Mark Philip Wu

    Hmm who do I think would know better, the CBCP who spend their lives in the seminary, or the educators of the two leading educational institutions in the country? I think it’s pretty obvious

  • anakkatutubo

    tama ka dyan superpilipinas…. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI yahoo-FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI

    okay, let us be realistic.  How about the priest and bishops who are pro-politicians?  How about the priest and brothers who don’t live the vow of poverty (La Salle / Don Bosco)? How about those priest that has impregnated their parishioner? WILL THEY BE ALL EX-COMMUNICATED? If so then I think you have the reason to sack the teachers who supports the RH Bill, BUT remember you are oppressing their opinion and that is also against the church law, about oppression.  So, after sacking them you should ex-communicate yourself also.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/45YIBMNHBUP3CSS75JGQPK6V6Q Anamarija

      yes they are if they are found guitly …and the accusation is true…

  • catmanjohn

    This kind of nonsense mind frame will ultimately be settled in the Supreme Court, if need be,

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      The RH Bill is against Catholic teaching particularly on the sanctity of life. Ateneo de Manila University is a Catholic university and is expected to uphold what is sacred to Catholicism. And its professors erred by signing a memorandum of support towards an anti-Catholic bill. I wonder what is NONSENSE in all this. My golly…

  • Albergi Galen

     biro mo, 13.7 billion pesos para sa RH!  mula sa bulsa kong nagkakayod
    kalabaw para magtrabaho at makabayad ng buwis!!!  eh kung susuportahan ng gobyerno ang solusyon ng Simbahan, pag-encourage ng
    chastity, monogamy, pag promote ng natural method–WALANG GASTOS! 
     

    • walangbolahan

      meron kang 13.7 billion pesos sa bulsa mo? di mo na kailangan kumayod.

      • indiosbravos2002

        Pare. Binara mo naman si Mam.BOOM! Buti na lang! Hehehe Cheers!

    • indiosbravos2002

      Lekat! Sang kangkungan ka nama pupulutin ng natural method mo

      • Albergi Galen

         that’s it–if it doesn’t work, it’s because you don’t believe you can do it.

      • indiosbravos2002

        This is an argument that will get you into trouble. Trust me.

    • MULEN

      E hindi nga mapigilan mismo ng mga pedo priests ang kanilang kalibogan nakuha pang bumibiktima ng mga batang lalake. Kaya ang nangyari, billions of dollars have already been spent to pay for settlements and monetary awards dahil sa kahayukan ng mga paring ito in the US of A alone. E saan galing ang pambayad sa mga ito e di sa pobreng mga parishioners.

    • against_discrimination

       hallo! let us drag ourselves into the 21st century! the reality is…the church is out of touch! the rich can afford Pills, condom, whatever. Poor will stay poor, and poorer and poorer. Bahala na ang Diyos for tomorrows future, food, etc.

    • nicojr2005

      Pero okay lang sayo na ang buwis mo eh ibigay na lang sa Conditional Cash Transfer program? Yung buwis na ibinabayad mo, napupunta sa mga taong anak ng anak pero Hindi naman kayang suportahan yung mga anak nila, habang ikaw, nagtatrabaho para sa pamilya mo na pinlano mo para masuportahan ng mabuti ang mga anak mo?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCPULYOR6SCK7QEPO25HZA3FXY arthur i

      wow ha nakita mo ung 13.5 billion na gagstusin ng gibyerno, para sa mga pilipino (mind you ha para sa lahat ng pilipino, hindi ng mga katoliko lang, last time i checked not all filipinis are catholics) pero you failed to notice the over 200 billion that the catholic church has invested on stocks and bonds (kanino kaya galing un, ha siguro galing yun sa mga donasyun mo) ung buwis na binayad mo sa gobyernao kinwenta mo, pero ung binigay mo sa simbahan na tinago lang nila at kinimkim d mo napansin….

  • $25214711

    Yan siguro ang turo ng diyos. Tangalan ng hanapbuhay yung mga kawawang guro. Yun yata ang sinabi ng diyos nila eh.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      They’re not exactly “kawawang guro”. Most of them go to school driving automobiles, and they probably earn more than you do.

      • $25214711

        No! I earn more than you do. I live in the States and you work in 7/11

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Hi My_Behind! Long time no hear! Great to hear from you again! This is all I can tell you right now…

        “No! I earn more than you do. I live in the States and you work in 7/11″

  • LabkoPinas

    These Catholic bishops have really gone bonkers. I am a catholic but I also am for the RH bill and wholeheartedly agree with it. I do not agree with philandering priests who sire children and still want to preach and I can say that I went thru three catholic orders, Agustinians, Jesuits and Dominicans and found all orders had their share of philandering priests. Before they preach to us they should preach to themselves.

    • indiosbravos2002

      The RH bill should actually work in their favor. Pambawas scandal. Yong mga babaerong pari wala ng dirty trail. Hehehe

      • LabkoPinas

        That would be better than having them sire all these children.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      “I am a catholic but I also am for the RH bill and wholeheartedly agree with it.”

      Look who’s gone bonkers now.

      • LabkoPinas

        I had a military officer friend who when entering Crame(the PNP camp) and when saluted by the soldier would salute back and then say “same to You”. I asked him why he was saying that. He answered, if he was cussing me and then cussed him too” So I say to you: “same to YOU!”

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Too many “hes” and “hims” it’s already impossible to determine who you are referring to: your military friend, the soldier, or even yourself. Please write clearly next time. Thank you.

    • arthur1401

      Dati ang mga anay sa lipunan ang ang NPA, Abusayyaf and rebels.They should welcome CBCP in their league with open arms and celebrations. CBCP is now turning to be more vicious than these separatist groups.

      • quirinomayer

        Bro, been looking for you. Please draft a  position paper condemning the
        inquisitorial action of the Catholic hierarchy then post it in a
        website for all of us freedom lovers and RH believers to sign in support
        of the 159 Ateneo faculty members. There are already around a 1,000 of us here and our voice would have more impact on the issue if we speak as one through the position paper. We could also invite our friends and fellow RH Bill supporters to sign so that we could swamp their online petition to have the 159 expelled from Ateneo. Our comments here are only read by PDI bloggers but if we come up with an online position paper, it will resonate and we will be heard far and wide. May be you could post the draft here so other bloggers could input and critique.

      • arthur1401

        Bro, Thanks for the trust. 
        I haven’t read the statement signed by the ateneo professors. I still need to research from the web. It may take time, if ever, because position papers must contain facts and figures to validate our claim. I’ll do what I can, but I can’t promise.  

  • anakkatutubo

    owww ganon? 

  • anakkatutubo

    No to RH bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • tamumd

    Hahahaha..the CBCP is feeling being cornered… now it is resorting to a desperate move! ADMU professors and administration please stand your ground!!! Remember they won’t be able to burn you in stakes anymore! The most they could do is issue threats. Follow what the administration of the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru did..they didn’t allow themselves to be cowed!!! Hahahahaha…dang the School of Medicine and Public Health would close if the ADMU administration acquiesce as most of those professors who signed are from that department.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      This stake-burning as hominem is far from the issue and exists only in your hateful mind. The Catholic Church here in the Philippines is only doing what is fair and just with regards to these ADMU professors. Remember that ADMU is a Catholic University, and it is only logical that the school should extol only Catholic teachings. And the RH Bill is totally against Christianity (the “sanctity of life”). I’m sure that Islamic universities would do the same if their professors suddenly teach their students the gifts of the Holy Eucharist. Gets?

      • tamumd

        Their threat to ADMU now is exactly the modern equivalent of the inquisitorial tactics they did in the 15th century…except now they’re toothless! It’s all threats and posturing! Let’s see if ADMU would even budge. “ADMU is catholic”?….. and so are the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru and Notre Dame University in Indiana. Those schools were able to extricate themselves from the shackles of this oppressive, power-hungry church.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Too much “Inquisition accusations” here. You’ve been reading too much Dan Brown and New Age history. Anyway, I agree that the Catholic Church today (and in all parts of the world) is toothless — because this world is now filled with evil and apathy. So better rejoice. In this world, you guys win.

      • tamumd

        Sorry I don’t believe what’s written in Dan Brown’s novel just as I don’t believe what’s written in your fairytale bible! Are you one of the catholic history revisionists? Trying hard to deny the Crusades and the Inquisition? Your church is the one with history of evil deeds. It has blood soaking its hands over the centuries yet it likes to brag and claim moral ascendancy! What a bunch of hypocrites! And that is exactly why people gets apathetic and turns away in droves!!!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Sorry dude. But back when I was still an anti-Catholic, I didn’t believe this Inquisition hogwash. That’s how neutral and unbiased I was, unlike you.

        Hey, but it’s true, there was violence against non-Catholics during that time in Europe. There was witch-hunting and much stake-burning. But these were never sanctioned by the Vatican. These were done upon orders of a couple of fanatic Catholic monarchs and erring religious leaders. Too bad that their evils are now being used as a scapegoat for anti-Catholicism by a couple of punk kids who do not know how to reason out well. Sigh.

      • tamumd

        Never sanctioned by the catholic church? Pope Innocent III started it in the 12th century. Pope Gregory IX sanctioned the persecution of the Albigensian in 1255. Leo X was the one who officially named the Congregation of the Holy Office of the Inquisition. This was done not only in Spain,Portugal, Italy and France. Auto de fes were also done in India, Mexico, central and south america. It continued until the mid 1900. And no these are not mere blips or lapses in the church history. It was a deliverate move to kill dissenters of catholic faith.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        I am not aware of either Pope Innocent III or Pope Leo X’s participation in the Inquisition. Probably myths woven by die-hard anti-Catholics. But yes, Pope Gregory IX did sanction the Papal Inquisition. But never did he order the tortures nor the killings.

      • reddfrog

        Did he actively tried to stop ihe tortures and killings then? No? Then guilty!!!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Yes, he did of course.

        By the way, you already used DID. Therefore, you should have used TRY instead of TRIED. REVIEW your English, please.

      • tamumd

        If he or they did..then those 2,000 to 4,000 burned on stakes would not have happened!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        It would have ballooned from 20,000 to 40,000, maybe even more, had there been no opposition from the Vatican. =)

      • tamumd

        Really?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Well, you gave me a rough estimate. So I answered back with one that is deserving the same.

      • tamumd

        Really? I thought even one human life is so important to them? Even the church is fighting tooth and nails over a not even dreamed of pregnancy yet. Even before the egg and sperm cells meet. And it was OK to kill 2-4,000 people. Now that is what’s called hypocrisy big time!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        No disrespect, tamumd, but could you please rephrase what you just wrote? Anyone, regardless of whether he’s pro- or anti-RH Bill, with an ample amount of reasoning, wouldn’t be able to make anything out of what you just said. Please edit your statement, WRITE AND EXPRESS YOURSELF CLEARLY, then I’ll come back to you. Thanks.

      • tamumd

        Hahahaha amazing how you flipfloped first you said: “But these were never sanctioned by the Vatican”. Then once presented with an evidence, made a 360 degree turn around and said: ” Pope Gregory IX did sanction the Papal Inquisition”.  Hehehehe….liars are caught from what comes out of their mouths. Sanctioning something means giving a go signal to proceed. A sort of stamp of approval. Those pope and the bishop inquisitors administer the questionings and toture ..they might not have been directly involved the killings..because they turn them over to the secular authorities. But in the context of that time….there’s no clear demarcation between the religious and secular. So the fact that John Paul II apologized sometime in 2000 for the “sins” committed by the church over the ages.” We are asking pardon for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of other religions.” If that acknowledgement and act of contrition doesn’t constitute culpability to you I don’t know what else would!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        There was no “flipflop”. It exists only in your twisted mind. You are referring to a different kind of inquisition, the one that is not sanctioned by the Vatican, the one that is filled with much bloodshed and violence and death. The inquisition that I am referring to is the Papal Inquisition, the correct and just inquisition. But of course, this is something that you do not know because, like what I said, you have a twisted mind, unfit even for yourself.

      • tamumd

        Who should I believe..you the half-baked Spanish inveterate liar or the history books and your previous pope acknowledging and apologizing for it?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Believe only in Barney the Dinosaur. You and him will make good company.

      • tamumd

        You are the one who believe in an invisible bearded old man hiding behind the clouds! I don’t…so go on continue living in your delusional world!!! We could care less! Leave us alone and let us pass the RH bill.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Hey! What gave you an idea that I’m against the RH Bill? I support it all the way, dude! Don’t believe me? OK then, google this:

        “Pass the RH Bill now! FILIPINO eSCRIBBLES”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

    Read the Mission-Vision of the Ateneo. Juxtapose what the faculty members did to that.

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       “Men for Others”

      Dear professors of admu, you are doing it right

      *BROFIST*

  • thenewpulahan

    kung ganito maging katoliko, ayaw ko ng maging katoliko

    • superpilipinas

      mahirap talaga maging Katoliko, maraming sakripisyo. kaya nga ang RH issue pa rin.

    • Khabz

      being faithful is a struggle indeed. mahirap maging tunay na Katoliko.. 

  • Khabz

    I am against the RH Bill. Our church leaders is just fighting what is necessary according to the teachings of the church.. there is nothing sinister on it because it is by faith that bridges us between the right and wrong…. Now, let the true Catholic stand up and fight the good fight of the faith… Let us draw the line between a true believer as against the so called Catholic protestants…It really does not matter if there are only a thousand  or a hundred that is left, what matter  is those who stayed are Catholic of strong faith. After all, the Jesus we believed as our Lord and Savior was crucified due to the clamor of the multitude…

    • MULEN

      You could have been pro-Inquisition and in favor of burning at the stakes to punish heretics if you were to exist in 12th century. That’s how blindly obedient you are. 

      • Khabz

        there are better ways to understand it.. not the way you do.

    • http://twitter.com/Caladan21ph Tristan Angeles

      And that my friend is the way of thinking that led to the Crusades, and the Holocaust. 

      • Khabz

        well there are many ways of the devil to prove his point..

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IWXABW3CIPT2G3V2G6GLBYIE7A Alteisen

      Not that I agree with the RH Bill fully but the Church invites people, not drives them away. The Church seeks compromise not excommunication. The Church cries when she has to let go of her children. The Church listens to her children like our parents to us. The real Catholic Church does not advise people to eliminate the people. The Church is incorruptible but the people in it are vulnerable. You only have to listen and talk and everything will be fine. This is not war, that is why this is possible. If the Crucifixion is to be used, then what is the idea of the Sacrifice? Salvation. As you have said, the crucifixion is just the result of people wanting Jesus killed. But I say no, because it has been meant to be. The worst of all punishments to be made the best of all rewards. That is the salvation we are given. The Crucifixion is the example we must follow; that faith and reason is to be used hand-in-hand, and for good. That is the real Church’s goal: the compromise of faith and reason, for both cannot exist without the other.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3GM3BQKIMSGOUIFVZNTU2H5L54 carlisle9217

      true very true, but you also have to consider that not all people has the same belief as you do. and not only that, we also have to be practical.  i mean if you can’t sustain and support (feed) your children, it becomes a sin as well. small sin and big sin are the same, it’s still a sin. if you have the knowledge to prevent something that’s inevitable why not diba? in the end the question between morality and immorality is there. but can you really say that you’re a good christian, having a lot of children yet can’t afford to feed and give good education? don’t tell me no sex then. what about for married couples? how can they enjoy a gift without facing the consequences? it all boils down to being practical. i get your point about sex before marriage but don’t you think married couples also benefit from it as well? in the end, as ABS-CBN said, ligtas ang may alam. :)

    • nicojr2005

      “After all, the Jesus we believed as our Lord and Savior was crucified due to the clamor of the multitude…”

      Uhm, excuse me, I think the multitude are you Catholic majority imposing your beliefs on us. Can’t you see that happening with the statement of the Church against those professors?

      I guess you should read up on your Bible and see how Jeus went against the Pharisees, which the Roman Catholic Church is the modern version of.

      • Khabz

        the pharisees are not the priest insinuated by Jesus in the bible.. you may read your bible careful and jibe it with history.. 

        Jesus is the highest priest in the Church being the head, with the Church as His body.. 

    • Ganymede

      You are entitled to your choice as well as the Catholic Church. But the problem is the bishops are spreading false information about the RH Bill. It is better for the RH Bill to pass because you have a choice to use natural or artificial family planning. But if it didn’t pass, our poor countrymen wouldn’t be able to get the modern family planning methods even if they want to. They wouldn’t get the RH information that they should know if their mayor are anti-RH. RH Bill is not just about contraceptives… it’s about educating our people on family planning either this is natural or modern form.

  • walangbolahan

    tinatakot nila mga hesuwita? good luck. hindi na bago sa mga hesuwita ang pananakot.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       Those faculty members do not represent the Society of Jesus.

      • walangbolahan

        and i doubt the jesuits would throw their faculty under the bus. the way i look at it, it’s the church that’s scared seeing the reality around them. now the bishops are lashing back at perceived enemies. the church has become an anachronistic institution. the jesuits however, have been known to adapt well to the times. so again, good luck.

      • Luis Pasuelo

        obviously.

        ateneo is a university run by the jesuits. the cbcp is trying to intimidate the jesuits to sack its faculty on the grounds that they (the faculty) have opinions that  differ from that of the cbcp’s.  

  • http://twitter.com/kirstiedawn Kirstie Barrion

    Seriously? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

    HEY YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT.. THEY WANTED THESE PROFESSORS, WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS AND PROTECTED BY LABOR LAWS, BE INVESTIGATED AND SACKED BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONAL BELIEF AND POSITION REGARDING RH BILL.. 

    I DON’T REALLY CARE IF RH BILL GETS TO BE APPROVED OR NOT, AS LIKE ANY OTHER LAWS THAT WE HAVE, IT WOULD SEEM IT DOESN’T EXIST AS WE HAVE POOR IMPLEMENTATION OF LAWS..

    BUT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO CRY FOR THESE PROFESSORS’ HEADS TO ROLL BECAUSE OF SUCH BELIEF, THEN I GUESS WE HAVEN’T REALLY PROGRESSED SINCE RIZAL WAS SHOT AT BAGUMBAYAN..

    QUO VADIS, FILIPINAS?

  • Arcsolo

    it’s almost an “inquisition.” Freedom of Speech is a sweeping right of each member of its society. Those days are over: what with the information age, the propagation of knowledge with every fiber-optically-connected person in the archipelago, education through on-line multi-media, we must expect every person to build and make their own collective decision. somewhere down the hill, there are people who are intelligent enough to do what is right, to make what is right, and to say what is right.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VU6MXUACPZ5VJ7IH4BCVC4FWJE James

      Freedom of Speech indeed but the Ateneo is a PRIVATE catholic university.

      Employment in that university IS NOT A RIGHT but a privilege that comes with conditions.

      And besides, nobody is forcing the professors to stay in the Ateneo if they don’t like to become puppets of the church. They are free to apply for a job elsewhere that they want.

      If you are employed in a private company, would you go against company policies? Of course not, you are expected to uphold it instead.

      • Luis Pasuelo

        “And besides, nobody is forcing the professors to stay in the Ateneo if they don’t like to become puppets of the church. They are free to apply for a job elsewhere that they want.”

        I’m pretty sure “Church puppet” is not a requirement when you apply as a teacher in ateneo. Intelligence, skill, and teaching competency, though, are necessary.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        But then, Ateneo, upon accepting an employee, comes into a contract which is now protected by the state, specifically the labor laws.

        You cannot summarily dismiss an employee without due cause.  Cause that would either put the institution to disrepute (which is subjective), or loose considerable income, or be at a competitive disadvantage, etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

    HEY YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT.. THEY WANTED THESE PROFESSORS, WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS AND PROTECTED BY LABOR LAWS, BE INVESTIGATED AND SACKED BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONAL BELIEF AND POSITION REGARDING RH BILL.. 
    I DON’T REALLY CARE IF RH BILL GETS TO BE APPROVED OR NOT, AS LIKE ANY OTHER LAWS THAT WE HAVE, IT WOULD SEEM IT DOESN’T EXIST AS WE HAVE POOR IMPLEMENTATION OF LAWS..
    BUT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO CRY FOR THESE PROFESSORS’ HEADS TO ROLL BECAUSE OF SUCH BELIEF, THEN I GUESS WE HAVEN’T REALLY PROGRESSED SINCE RIZAL WAS SHOT AT BAGUMBAYAN..
    QUO VADIS, FILIPINAS?

    • Albergi Galen

      Comment lang ito, Calvin, not really to refute you.  ang hirap sa karamihan ng umaatake sa Simbahang Katolika, you swallow everything you read in the papers, hook, line and sinker.  and you don’t even pause to read CAREFULLY!  sinong bishop ang nagsabi that the professors ought to be SACKED!  HEADLINE lang yun!  editor’s word lang yon, exaggeration at interpretation lang ng reporter who doesn’t know any better.  alam ninyo, ang media, kailangan gumawa ng pakulo para mabili!  huwag na nating pag-usapan ang relihiyon.  tingnan na lang natin ang MISSION AND VISION NG ATENEO (i-google ninyo) and see if the professors’ action is in harmony with it. “Loyal to the teachings of the Catholic Church.. … the University aims to lead its students to see God in all things and to
      strive for the greater glory of God and the greater service of mankind.”  ang teachings ng Church nanggagaling sa Magisterium, na ngayon ay nagsasabi na makapipinsala ang CONTRACEPTIVE MENTALITY ng RH Bill sa tao, whether catholic or muslim, or atheist, whatever.  ang pagsalungat sa tinig at turo ng Simbahan na ginagawa ng professors na iyon, in line ba with Ateneo’s M/V?  ang ihayag ang kanilang “personal” viewpoint sa ganoong paraan na pinalalabas silang mga PASAWAY, na mas nananalig pa sa half-truths ng RH Bill kaysa sa Divine Providence, is that “leading students to see God in all things”?  ay naku, ayoko nang pahabain ito. pero magisip isip kayo bago uli humirit. huwag naman palagi na lang galit ang pinangingibabaw ninyo.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BFQWTB3Z6DK76IWGHUMC4NO5JY Isang Pilipino

    CBCP make your stand on the RH Bill but don’t label those who think otherwise as enemy of the church. You are not the Catholic church! 

    I challenge you to excommunicate not only the Ateneo teachers and professors but all Catholics who are not with you on the bill! 

    Please refer to the stand of Fr. Bernas in one of his recent columns on the Inquirer!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       Fr. Bernas isn’t the Pope either.

      • AntonioPeYangIII

        You’re right. The Pope did not help author our constitution.

      • reddfrog

         Thank God!

  • oh_noh

    tagal nang umalis ng mga kastila, dami palang naiwang disipulos (o mga anak?) ni padre damaso!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       Padre Damaso is a fictional character who can just as be the Politicians who are for the RH Bill.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7DNIMYOPKLVN2XAMWYXMNR34M Denji

        If I’m not mistaken, those who are against it are the ones being self-righteous ala Damaso. Clearly, what your heart sees what your minds wish were true.

      • reddfrog

         Wrong. Do not twist the writings of Jose Rizal. Padre Damaso is aimed specifically at the hypocritical Catholic clergy. And hirap sa iyo you twist things just to suit your purpose.

  • Arcsolo

    my advice: before they make any sweeping action against those people in the academe, they should first cleanse their own backyard. there are those (“They should be consistent and true to the nature of their calling …”) who have turned their backs at them because of reasons which are not consistent and true to their nature of their calling.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

    anong malay ng mga pilipino dyan sa excommunication na yan. kaunti nga lang ang mga nagsisimba. gawin ng mga obispo ang gusto nila gawin, wala na epekto yan sa mga tao.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.r.umali Antonio Rainier Umali

    Centuries ago, the catholic church viewed medicine as evil and against god’s will, and punished those who availed of it. All those poor people died of disease all because the priests truly believed that this is what god wanted. They got way in over their heads and thought their interpretation of the “holy” scriptures were correct.

    Now, in regards to the church’s stand against the RH Bill, do you think the church is once again misinterpreting the bible?

    • Albergi Galen

       helloW…?  so sorry you’re stuck on the dark ages.  the Church has changed.  study it well and you’ll see what it teaches.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        If the church has ‘changed,’ why can’t it change now?

    • reddfrog

       Catholics do not follow the Bible. They take bits and pieces and then conjure up their own dogmas and doctrines, whatever is convenient for them. Otherwise why are Catholics doing exactly the opposite of what the Bible teaches?

  • penatbater

    “The first principle of Canon law about this matter is that we don’t allow teaching that is against the official teachings of the Church.”
    So… what was the point of teaching us about Sarte, Nietzsche, Marx and other philosophers when the very thing they teach is against Catholic tradition?  

    I swear these bishops are espousing an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, clearly not a trait or quality of an admirable Christian. Even early disciples didn’t shove their beliefs down people’s throat. There were many people who believed, there were also many people who laughed at them. Yet they did not hold some form of moral supremacy over those people, rather just prayed for them. If not for anything, the proper response would be to pray to God that the proper decision should arise, if the RH bill should be passed or not. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       Sarte, Nietzsche, and Marx and the other philosophers (like Augustine, Aquinas, Jacques Maritain, Karol Woytyla, and Edith Stein) to complete the picture.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      “So… what was the point of teaching us about Sarte, Nietzsche, Marx and other philosophers when the very thing they teach is against Catholic tradition?”

      They teach it as part of philosophy. They don’t teach Catholics to follow them. My golly…

      • penatbater

        And yet no course actually teaches the stand of the teachers regarding the RH bill.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Because the RH Bill is simply anti-Catholic. You don’t teach anti-Protestant stuff in a Protestant University, my golly…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4A4RRGXGZ2QUKFZB6W2LU74RMI jr

        In the same vein that the professors can claim they taught the RH Bill for educational purposes only and not necessarily to espouse and follow it.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Excuse me. The teaching of the RH Bill is definitely NOT the issue here. The issue here is that these professors who are currently employed and are receiving their salaries from a Catholic University are virtually biting the hand that feeds them by SIGNING a statement declaring support to a bill which opposes the Catholic teaching about the sanctity of life. So no, it is not of the same vein. Teaching is not the issue here. It’s a declaration of an “all out war” against the Catholic Church when they signed that memorandum. Please read the news article CAREFULLY.

    • killerelite

      dont tell me naka graduate ka ng hindi mo nalaman kung bakit kasama ang mga philosphers na yan sa pinag aralan mo? well, sa pamamagitan nila itinuro sa iyo kung paano mag-isip ng tama, mapanuri at mag desisyon ng naaayon sa iyong sentido common!

  • killerelite

    basta ako hindi ako papayag na ang ibinabayad kong buwis ay ibili lang gobyerno ng CONDOM AT CONTRACEPTIVES para gamitin ng iresponsableng mga tao!

    • huseng_batute

       pero payag ka na ang ibinabayad mong buwis ay gagastusin na pantulong sa mga taong walang maipakain sa kainlang sangkaterbang anak.

      • killerelite

        why not?  hindi mo ba alam ang salitang “pagtulong sa kapwa” hindi ba yan itinuro sa iyo ng magulang mo o ng paaralan mo kung nag aral ka man?

      • huseng_batute

        So payag ka nga na ang buwis na ibinabayad mo ay gamitin sa mga  irresponsableng tao na anak nang anak.

        No more further questions your honor.

      • killerelite

        oo payag ako kesa ibili ng gobyerno ng condom at ibigay lang sayo!

      • huseng_batute

        Hindi sulit na kausap ito.  Flawed ang logic circuitry.   

        Babay!

      • killerelite

        huseng_batute pagsamahin ninyo ni reddfog ang IQ nyo…wala kayong kwentang kausap! 

      • reddfrog

        Based on your answers, low IQ ka nga. ahahahahahahahaha!

      • http://twitter.com/lalinkabrera Lalinka

        Yung budget di naman mauubos para sa condom at pills lang. Part din nito ay para ma educate ang mga tao. It does not tolerate pre marital sex also but awareness. Kung anong effect…

      • killerelite

        ang babaw ng argumento! teka ilan ba kayong magkakapatid? Irresponsable na pala ang tawag ngayon sa maraming anak. Saabihan mo nga ang Irresponsable mong tatay na magsaing na!

      • huseng_batute

        We are four siblings.  Our parents were very responsible to ensure that we have food on our table, a roof above our heads and clothes on our backs.    We live a simple life.  They taught us the value of our own labor.  Tulong-tulong kaming nag-alaga ng baboy, itik at manok.  Nagtanim ng konting gulay sa bakuran.

        And they were able to send all four of us to college.

        That is responsible parenthood. 

        Can you say the same to those who have lots of children but don’t know where to get their next meal?

      • killerelite

         so now you call IRRESPONSIBLE those parents who have many children resulting to failure to provide basic needs and decent living.
        Poor judgement! 
        Following your line of thought, therefore being RESPONSIBLE for you means: a ‘decent’ living with basic needs by deliberately interrupting the flow of natural process of life through contraception. Sex without commitment and family devoid of concept of morality and value of life!
        PITYful!

      • huseng_batute

        Wahahahaha!   That confirms it.  Failed logic circuit.   Since naitanong mo na rin lang, ikaw ano nag IQ mo?   Sa akint 160+.

        Seriously now, please read 1 Timothy 5:8. 

      • killerelite

        Do not quote a verse if you do not know what it means MORON! Do you even know why Paul wrote the 1 Timothy? Do you have any idea of the sitz im leben of that writings? You are subscribing to  wrong author if advocating RH dude! Go back to the verse and read it well … you just confirmed your little knowledge!

      • huseng_batute

        No, I don’t.  Please do enlighten us.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7DNIMYOPKLVN2XAMWYXMNR34M Denji

        Kaysa naman mapunta ang buwis na “binabayad” ko sa mga inutil at manhid na mga pulitiko na paghingi lang ng tawad, di pa magawa.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003987366829 Calvin Flores

      tungkol sa panghihimasok ng Simbahan sa intinuturo ng Akademiya sa mga mag-aaral ang issue dito.. mag-isip muna bago magsalita.. o mag-type in this case.. tsk!

      • killerelite

        naliligaw ka yata sir..hindi curriculum an pinag uusapan dito kundi ang pagsuporta sa RH BILL ng mga professor sa isang tanyag na Catholic school. Ano nanaman ba sinigarilyo mo katol o utot?

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      I agree.

    • AntonioPeYangIII

       Then don’t pay taxes.

      • killerelite

        wag mo po akong igaya sayo na hindi nagbabayad ng buwis!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7DNIMYOPKLVN2XAMWYXMNR34M Denji

        Priests don’t pay taxes, do they?

      • killerelite

        you are right, they  are not paying INCOME Tax…wala naman silang sweldo e..asan ang Income na ita-TAX? pero nagbabayad sila ng road tax (toll sa highways), kasama rin sa binabayaran nila ang VAT kapag nag grocery, nanonood ng sine o nagpa GAS. lol

      • huseng_batute

        w w w . p a l u s o t . c o m . p h

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

         But they share resources when the State needs them (e.g. Disaster Relief in a disaster-prone areas) Where do people go when state institutions collapse? The Church!

    • penatbater

      I’m pro-rh but I can respect this reasoning for not wanting the bill to be passed.

    • Ganymede

      Pero hindi ka nanghihinayang sa ibinabayad mong buwis na ipinangsusuporta sa kanila dahil sa kanilang pagiging iresponsable? So ok lang na magparami sila at mapunta ang ating buwis sa walang katapusan na pagbibigay sa kanila ng suporta?

      Sa aking palagay ay hindi kayang suportahan ng ating buwis ang kanilang pamumuhay kung padami sila ng padami habang ang karamihan sa mga nagbabayad ng buwis ay kakaunti lamang. Darating ang panahon na halos ang buong bidget natin ay mapupunta lamang sa pangangailangan ng mahihirap nating kababayan dahil sa laki ng kanilang populasyon. Kelangan talagang i-manage ng ating pamahalaan ang populasyon ng ating bansa.

  • hatecorrupt

    im a catholic and graduated sa catholic university….pero bakit ba mga bishop masyadong patay na patay sa RH BILL (cons). hindi ba nila nakikita ang mga bata sa lansangan hindi makapagaral pag laki jobless… hindi ba nila nakikita ang a bata na nagugutom, out of school sa lansangan sa buong pilipinas? wow! gusto nila magparami na lang at lumaking mga mangmang ang mga bata sa lansangan. hindi masama ang maging pro RH bill or anti R BILL. ang para sa akin lang sana ang mga magulang kayang bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang mga anak nila kahit magka anak pa sila ng 10, or 11 or 12….pero kung nihdi kayang bigyan ng edukasyon at magandang kinabukasan…eh dapat maging responsible parent muna sila at kailangan ma educate sila sa pag amilya…

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      ¿Mailíligtas bá ng RH Bill ang mga batang pulubi sa lansañgan ñgayón? ¿Mailíligtas bá ng RH Bill ang mga táo ñgayón sa cahirapan?

      • penatbater

        Ang tanong is, would you rather have a number of children that you can’t support, or a few that have a better quality of life? I think ultimately un lang naman ang goal ng RH-bill e. It can’t solve problems now, but it tries to solve problems before they even arise. 

        Oh and as a rebuttal:
        Maililigtas ba ng CBCP/status quo ang mga batang pulubi sa lansangan ngayon? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

        Governance is multifaceted. You can not just put the responsibility on the shoulders of any group.

      • reddfrog

         Who is putting responsibility on which group?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4A4RRGXGZ2QUKFZB6W2LU74RMI jr

        The RH Bill will promote education, safe sex, responsible parenthood. Without these promote conditions that you have mentioned. For the “batang pulubi sa lansangan”, what’s the Catholic Church doing? Can’t they open their church doors to take all these homeless children…I think not.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        The Catholic Church, through its parishes and university organizations, has several charitable organizations such as Caritas Manila, Christus Vincit, the famous Gawad Kaliñga, etc. Don’t rely too much, nor put all the blame, on the Catholic Church.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

        Hello Pepe, kumusta naman daw ang Caritas Manila, Christus Vincit? Mukhang marami pa silang kailangang kunin na bata. Dito palang sa harap ng ateneo, ang daming mga street kids dito! magkakamukha silang lahat, at may malaking TSANSA na magkakapatid sila .. nasaan ka ang mga magulang nito???? hindi ko alam, baka nasa mahjungan, o nasa bahay nila nagpapanganak pa ng mas marami pa. 

        ikaw nalang mag.ampon sa mga batang pasling na mga iyon!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Hello Mouxing. Catholic charitable organizations can only do so much, unfortunately. But helping the poor should be a joint effort. That is why in a previous comment, I said that we should not always rely (or put the blame) on the Catholic Church.

        “nasaan ka ang mga magulang nito???? hindi ko alam, baka nasa mahjungan, o nasa bahay nila nagpapanganak pa ng mas marami pa.”

        I have no idea. Probably up to no good if they leave their kids unattended.

        “ikaw nalang mag.ampon sa mga batang pasling na mga iyon!”

        Pag mayaman na acó, ¿baquit hindî? =)

      • reddfrog

        “Can’t they open their church doors to take all these homeless children.”

        ====> Would you want them to? Baka pagpyestahan ng mga pari ang mga bata.

      • huseng_batute

         “Baka pagpyestahan ng mga pari ang mga bata.”

        Hahaha!  Its like imprisoning a kid in the gaming arcades.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000214140953 Lloyd Fontamillas

         sa ngayon cgro hindi pero pagtagal may tsansa na maiahon sila kahit papaanu sa kahirapan….

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        See? Even you yourself are not sure; you just used the word chance (“tsansa”).

      • reddfrog

         Nothing in life is sure.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        I beg to disagree. Ignorance, stupidity, those are just a few things that you can be sure of in this life.

      • reddfrog

         Are you sure? Ignorance and stupidity to you may be wisdom and intelligence to others. Depends on which angle you are looking at.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        It should not depend on “which angle” one is looking at, heavens no. Argumentation should be based on the universal standards of correct reasoning, i.e., LOGIC.

      • reddfrog

         Whose logic? Yours?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        No. I already told you:  the “universal standards of correct reasoning”. Apparently, it is something that you do not know. But don’t worry. You have internet connection already. As they say, ignorance is no longer allowed in the age of information. Better tap its potential right now before you attempt to make another comment. This is for your own sake, of course, and not mine. =)

      • reddfrog

        Hehehe, so many words but nothing of value communicated. As Biazon said, gobbledygook. Hehe.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Suco ca na casí. Naubusan ca na ng argumento (cung meron man). Ayaw mo lang aminin, ¡hehehe!

      • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

        YES, we are not sure. But if you dont pass the RH BIll You are not giving them ANY CHANCE AT ALL. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. #RHBill NOW!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “if you dont pass the RH BIll You are not giving them ANY CHANCE AT ALL”

        Sorry, this is kinda vague. Are you referring to the unborn? Or the impoverished who are living today?

        WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE

        Yes we do. Aside from potential lives (who, according to the natural laws of the universe, are entitled to experience life) who will not be given a chance, think of the billions of pesos that will be wasted just to supply condoms, pills and the like. Such amount would be better off consumed for anti-poverty projects and proper education.

  • http://twitter.com/sexynomad Jen Adams

    The CBCP is being stupid. And what they’re asking the Jesuits to do doesn’t even sound legal. Is it? In any case, I doubt AdMU and the Jesuits will agree to what the CBCP wants. It’s a university, hello! People are allowed to form their own intelligent opinions.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

      Intelligent opinions within the framework set by the university. Since its both Catholic and Jesuit university, there’s a difference with say, U.P.

      • reddfrog

        Framework based on bronze age beliefs can’t be intelligent.

      • sir_ed

        I think this shows an unfamiliarity with how the Jesuits think.  While both the Ateneo and UST are Catholic universities, the Ateneo is very different–and not simply because the tuition is much higher.  Filipino Jesuits are like their counterparts in the ‘States, where American Jesuit universities are hotbeds of dissent within the Catholic Church.  

  • hatecorrupt

    bakit ang mga bansang sinakop ng mga kastila ay walang yumaman? umasenso? dahil ba ang itinuro nila ay kamangmangan….?…pero may maganda rin silang itinuro ang chritianity….aside from it wala ng akong alam….

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4A4RRGXGZ2QUKFZB6W2LU74RMI jr

      Hmmm…Philippines (Christian country of Asia) is the basket case of Asia.
                      Latin American Countries…in poverty…drug infested…corrupt…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RIDESONPRMTQS3UN3OZQUQEVYU Lawrence

       tama ka dyan! pansin ko rin yan dati pa, pero ung mga bansang sinakop ng Great Britain halos mauunlad lahat

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RIDESONPRMTQS3UN3OZQUQEVYU Lawrence

    priest are all close minded a**holes

  • hatecorrupt

    be a responsible parent….thats my opinion…

  • hatecorrupt

    kung ang parents ay may 9 or 12 anak sana kaya nilang papag aralin at bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan….kung hindi dapat MA EDUCATE MUNA SILA SA family planning para hindi kawawa ang mga bata……a para mabawasan ang mga addict, robbers, snatchers, pickpockets and many more…RH BILL IS JUST A COMMON SENSE

  • John Philip Lim

    “They should be consistent and true to the nature of their calling, which is to enlighten and teach”
    and then sasabihin na 
    “The first principle of Canon law about this matter is that we DON’T allow teaching that which is against the official teachings of the Church.”

    Bishop, you contradict yourself. Clearly the CBCP knows it is losing ground in this battle so it is resorting to all sorts of dirty tactics! Well, I for one, wouldn’t be surprised. Dirty tactics have always been part of the church’s arsenal of weapons to keep the masses subdued..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WWZMSQ4Z74QJUPXFOMEKD6KKFM kronos

    The Churhc still forces it’s antiquated ways of thinking.  I thought we were already in the 21st century where free will is sacred.

    • reddfrog

       You have free will, as long as it conforms to those Catholic demi-god’s will.

  • John Philip Lim

    Siguro hindi na maililigtas ng RH bill yung mga batang anjan na… pero through the RH bill we can, in the future, lessen the number of children who will end up in that situation!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       Perhaps we should find ways and means that  address that situation without having to control population.

      • reddfrog

        That’s just like saying perhaps we should find ways and means to address criminality without having to resort to punishments.

      • http://www.facebook.com/daniwdeleon Daniw De Leon

        Are you willing to support all of those poor families who were led to believe that having twenty children is okay despite not being able to support them? If not then shut up and let the RH bill educate them about family planning methods that actually work.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7DNIMYOPKLVN2XAMWYXMNR34M Denji

    So you say that the Catholic Church has the right to employ double standards in their favor. That’s how I see things, especially from this thread.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=631168811 Clarisse Singson

    Forget that.

  • sir_ed

    That’s extremely unlikely.  The Ateneo isn’t controlled by the Catholic church, and the Jesuits have always had a mind of their own.  The bishops can sound off with their reactionary tirades, but the Jesuits here, the heirs of a liberal tradition from the American Jesuits who took over from the Spanish after the Treaty of Paris, will not destroy the Ivy League atmosphere they’ve consciously cultivated in the Ateneo.  The Ateneo isn’t UST simply because the tuition is much, much higher. The whole mind set pervading the pursuit of knowledge is totally different, and if our bishops don’t understand that–too bad for them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VU6MXUACPZ5VJ7IH4BCVC4FWJE James

    For me the issue in this article is not RH Bill but the issue rather is about a mother organization exercising its rights in its subordinate organizations.

    The Ateneo de Manila is a PRIVATE CATHOLIC university.

    Employment at the Ateneo IS NOT A RIGHT but a privilege that comes with certain conditions. If the professors do not like Ateneo or the Catholic Church, then they are free to apply to other companies.

    If you are employed in a private company, you are expected to uphold the company’s policies as a guarantee of continued employment. If not, the company can ask you to resign or replace you since the company has a right to protect its vested interests.

    • walangbolahan

      are you the spokesman from ateneo? i would rather hear about this from the jesuits themselves. not from people who think they know how jesuits think.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GF4ZNQFZOE4RL4DBUQB4S2SWY Gerard

      1. “For me the issue in this article is not RH Bill but the issue rather is about a mother organization exercising its rights in its subordinate organizations.”

      Ateneo is not a subordinate organization of the Church. It has its own charter. It is subordinate to the State which granted it juridical personality

      2. “Employment at the Ateneo IS NOT A RIGHT but a privilege that comes with certain conditions..”

      Security of tenure is a Constitutional right. It is not a simple privilege.  

      3. “If you are employed in a private company, you are expected to uphold the company’s policies as a guarantee of continued employment.”

      The expression of a view contrary to company policy is not enough to terminate an employee. Pursuant to the Labor Code, there must be serious misconduct, willful disobedience, gross and habitual neglect of duties or fraud/willful breach of trust. 

      None of the abovementioned grounds exist in this situation.

      In fact, I would even go so far to argue that if you dismiss the employee based on a statement supporting the RH Bill, you would be violating two basic Constitutional rights namely the right to freedom of speech and the right to security tenure, both of which are jealously guarded by the State.

    • sir_ed

      I’m not sure if one can claim that the Ateneo is a subordinate organization of the Catholic Church.  As far as I know, it has the status of a non-profit, non-stock organization.  It it’s “non-stock,” then nobody owns it–not even the Jesuits, who don’t get a single centavo from its revenue, except perhaps the salaries that individual Jesuits receive as administrators and faculty members–i.e., as employees.  The governing body of the Ateneo is not the Church but a board of trustees that currently is half lay (I checked through its website), and while the other half is composed of Jesuits, remember that they do not answer to the bishops, but to the Pope.  Thus, the Ateneo is Catholic and Jesuit only because it claims to be in its internal documents. So the bishops’ demand is more like a “sermon” than an actual threat.

  • Pork_Republik

    “Institutional academic freedom is the freedom of the School to determine for itself on academic grounds who may teach, what may be taught, how it shall be taught, and who may be admitted to study.”- Sweezy v. New Hampshire, 354 US 234, 263[1957]

    I’m no lawyer but it seems to me if the 159 Ateneo faculties who signed the statement of support for the RH Bill do so only as an individual choice and unless found to have actively imposing or promoting their belief on the RH Bill inside the campus or on the students in the classrooms then I think the bishops have no grounds to kick them out without first paying each a hefty compensation.

    The bottom line here is about the equal sanctity of individual right to choose as a fundamental liberty and freedom of religion as fundamental human rights How can Filipinos say they have freedom of choice when there’s no choice at all? How can the Philippines then prides itself as a nation that promotes and protect ‘freedom of religion’ when its state which is supposedly secular continuously cowers and kowtows to the Catholic Church doctrines? Are we not a republic?

    The RH Bill is fast becoming the Catholic bishops Waterloo in the Philippines. It’s started when the bishops forgot even God granted Man freewill. 

  • 我恨中国人

    So, the official statement of the Catholic Church comes from priests and popes who tolerate Child Sexual abuse? If this is your action, Catholic Church, I would denounce my faith bukas na bukas. I might convert to protestantism.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       That’s free will. Good Luck.

    • Khabz

      Pray for discernment.. not even protestant pastors are immune to such transgressions..

      • reddfrog

         No. But Protestant pastors get shunned. You do not see as much cover-up as what the RCC is providing for its erring officials.

      • huseng_batute

         You want to tour the world?  Be a priest and molest some children.  The RCC will surely transfer you to another country.   Pag sawa ka na dun, find another kid, lipad na naman.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HTWCS7YSLPVJPAHIIWG3I5Q4EQ jproquejr

    Church, you should fix your own internal corruption (malversation of funds by some bishops) and immorality (pending sexual assault by many priest and bishops) before interfering with the govt. Nakakairita at nakakadiri kayo. Kaya ang dami nang lumilipat ng relihiyon. Sadly marami na ring nagiging Atheist and Agnostic dahil sa kapabayaan nyo. Shut up and leave the govt alone!

    • Khabz

      the Church are also composed of mortals who sinned… when they sinned it is because priests, bishops are also humans… they have to answer for their own salvation. 

      Dont be too pre-occupied with watching others sins, before you judge you may cast the first stone.. 

      • reddfrog

         I understand that. But the Church especially since its product is “morality” should deal with their “mistakes” in a very, very strict manner. Why the cover-up? Why did the highest Church officials issued a threat to the rape victims to keep quiet, not speak to the authorities or be excommunicated? Why are wayward clergymen not fired from the Church? Why is the Church investing in companies involved in the manufacturing of birth control products?

      • tamumd

        If they’re sinners themselves then they don’t have business of claiming moral ascendancy and pretending to be holier than everyone else!

      • Ganymede

        That is the problem with the priests and the bishops. If they are caught red-handed (e.g. pedophile issue, priests/bishops who fathered children, mistubishops, etc. ), they ask for understanding because they are also humans. But if others don’t agree with their teachings (e.g. supporting RH Bill) they hastily condemn the person to high heavens – like the Pharisees during the time of Jesus where He told them to cast the first stone who have not sinned.

        Sometimes they may even condemn the person to death like the time of Inquisition. But if later on they are proven wrong (i.e. Heliocentric Theory), they’ll just ask for forgiveness and understanding. This isn’t fair.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/A74EMNBNNMBYDPGHO6LW4343O4 Urduja

       Ang mabuting tao kahit tama dapat mababang loob.  Ipinapakita ng Diyos sa iyo ang kamalian ng ibang tao hindi para maging superyor ka, kundi upang mamulat ang iyong mata sa sarili mong pagkukulang.  Dahil napapatawad ng Diyos ang anumang maling desisyon ninuman, at maitutuwid pa, ngunit wala siyang magagawa sa kataasan ng ugali ng isang tao, gaano man siya katama.

  • Beguine

    These 0 (sub zero?) IQ bishops are asking for the fall of the Catholic Church in the
    Philippines.

    A fall that would make a very very loud noise indeed.

    Already it’s beginning to happen. They’re losing their flock by the 
    millions. Persecute the Ateneo faculty members and the bishops
    will reap the whirlwind twister tornado and the perfect storm. 

    And it’s even more chilling when you come to think the 
    lion’s share beneficiary will likely be the INC, watching all 
    this with a wolfish grin, and laughing like the hyenna. 

    • Khabz

      its the day or reckoning.. not all go to heaven anyway…. i am not even sure of myself.. but at least, i have the faith in the church who teaches me the values of a good christian who believe that life is important from its conception… and that  same church may help in my salvation when judgment comes.

      • reddfrog

         hehehe – Church is salvation? What did Jesus say – “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. It’s so simple. No embellishments, no secret formulas. The Church cannot save you, only Jesus can save you. Read your Bible. Hindi mo kailangan ng middleman. Especially ones that are corrupt, self-serving and hypocritical.

  • filndc

    Religion = persecution.

  • http://LAZamboangaTimes.com/ John Shinn III

    AS AN ATENEAN I SAY:
    SCREW THE PRIESTS WHO RUN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE PHILIPPINES

    • julymorning

       AS A PRODUCT OF THE JESUIT-RUN UNIVERSITY I ALSO SAY: “SCREW U!!!”

      • reddfrog

         Apparently you probably have knowledge, but you lack wisdom. You can take tests, but you can’t think.

      • julymorning

        WOW, MR BIG SHOT OR LOUD MOUTH! I DON’T THINK I WOULD HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A JESUIT EDUCATION IF I CAN’T THINK. BUT EVEN IF I JUST GRADUATE FROM SAY, PUBLIC SCHOOL BESIDE ATENEO, I WON’T MONOPOLIZE KNOWLEDGE OR WISDOM. EVEN U, POSSESS WISDOM, HOWEVER DISTORTED AND PATHETIC

      • reddfrog

         Tinamaan ka? Bato bato sa langit……

      • julymorning

         OPO! TINAMAAN AKO – NG IYONG KAKITIRAN NG UTAK AT KABOBOHAN!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        may I kindly request you to refrain posting in all caps please. you are embarrassing yourself.

      • reddfrog

        Caps lock on your keyboard. Hint: It’s to your left. ;-)

  • penatbater

    I just realized that even if the investigation will come to pass, nothing will happen as there’s no “This is our stance regarding the RH Bill” course in Ateneo. It may come off as a remark or a side comment, but no teacher in any field would ever construct a curriculum about his/her personal stance about the bill. (maybe they may use it as a debate exercise, but that’s just about it). 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       But then since they signed that “manifesto”, that’s a different thing.

  • reddfrog

    Apparently expressing support for the RH bill is seen as worse than pedophilia, corruption and rape by the Roman Catholic Church. Kung mga pedophile at rapist na pari hanggang transfer lang and parusa. What a sick and twisted organization.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

       that “parusa” includes being ejected from the Church.

      • reddfrog

         Er…no. Do some research and find out the truth. I have personally dealt with a corrupt and abusive priest who is also involved in a business sideline. Grabe, extortionist at babaero. After complaining to his superiors – they give you the usual – we’ll look into it. Nothing came out of the complaint. Another priest is a well known womanizer in his parish. He’s also still there.

      • Khabz

        Priest are also mortals like anybody else, they also sin…. not as a priest but as a mortal being, who has the responsibility for their own salvation when judgment comes.. If your faith is founded on being judgmental to others, you must be sure to be clean enough.. Now, you may cast the first stone… 

      • reddfrog

        Okay, so tell me instead of punishing these erring people, why do the Church engage in cover-up and threats? If this is how they operate, then what is the need for the Catholic Church’s existence?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HTWCS7YSLPVJPAHIIWG3I5Q4EQ jproquejr

    And by the way CBCP, pay taxes first!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WMSRSETBD2MYL6LIDYS446GNVI Haney Lore

      Charter Change first.

      • reddfrog

        Yes! Make Catholicism illegal!!!!

  • rpjwarrior

    This is a Church that is self-destructing and it wants to drag down my alma mater, Ateneo, with it. Brilliant teachers as would all right thinking Filipinos are naturally pro-RH. Fire them all and Ateneo would be left with push-overs as anti-RH teachers would turn out to be. Minds that are not free are always mediocre. If I were a student I would not like to be educated in Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics or Biology by someone whose prime credential, above all skills that matter, is being anti-RH. Crazy.

  • Albergi Galen

    ang hirap sa karamihan ng umaatake sa Simbahang Katolika, you swallow
    everything you read in the papers, hook, line and sinker.  and you don’t
    even pause to read CAREFULLY!  sinong bishop ang nagsabi that the
    professors ought to be SACKED!  HEADLINE lang yun!  editor’s word lang
    yon, exaggeration at interpretation lang ng reporter who doesn’t know
    any better.  alam ninyo, ang media, kailangan gumawa ng pakulo para
    mabili!  huwag na nating pag-usapan ang relihiyon.  tingnan na lang
    natin ang MISSION AND VISION NG ATENEO (i-google ninyo) and see if the
    professors’ action is in harmony with it. “Loyal to the teachings of the
    Catholic Church.. … the University aims to lead its students to see
    God in all things and to strive for the greater glory of God and the
    greater service of mankind.”  ang teachings ng Church nanggagaling sa
    Magisterium, na ngayon ay nagsasabi na makapipinsala ang CONTRACEPTIVE
    MENTALITY ng RH Bill sa tao, whether catholic or muslim, or atheist,
    whatever.  ang pagsalungat sa tinig at turo ng Simbahan na ginagawa ng
    professors na iyon, in line ba with Ateneo’s M/V?  ang ihayag ang
    kanilang “personal” viewpoint sa ganoong paraan na pinalalabas silang
    mga PASAWAY, na mas nananalig pa sa half-truths ng RH Bill kaysa sa
    Divine Providence, is that “leading students to see God in all things”? 
    “greater service of mankind” ba yung itago mo ang masasamang bunga ng CONTRACEPTION sa katawan ng babae at sa buhay ng tao at parusahan mo ang hindi sasang-ayon sa patakaran ng RH Bill?  [read it in its entirety; Sections on Prohibited Acts and Penalty].   ay naku, ayoko nang pahabain ito. pero magisip isip tayo bago uli
    humirit. huwag naman palagi na lang galit ang pinangingibabaw.

    • reddfrog

       “Those found guilty of teaching students concepts contrary to Church
      teachings could be fired, he said. Church officials have previously
      raised the possibility of excommunication for Catholics espousing
      population control.”

      ====> It’s a threat.

      “pero magisip isip tayo bago uli humirit.”

      ===> I do not think you are capable of this since you let your beloved clergymen do it for you.

      As for your other blah, blah…..

      ====> ho-hum.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      You sure do a lot about the mission vision of the ateneo. ”
      Loyal to the teachings of the

      Catholic Church.. … ” … 
      What the church teaches and what is actually right are two different things. Right now, the church is stubborn, wrong, and ignorant. 

      #RHBill NOW!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GF4ZNQFZOE4RL4DBUQB4S2SWY Gerard

      Employment does not entail selling your soul to the employer. It does not divest you of your right to express what you think regarding a current legislative issue even if your view contradicts your employer’s view.

      Per your line of argument, because the teachers are not loyal to the teachings of the Catholic Church, they should be investigated and, if so found guilty, dismissed.

      The State will not sanction termination based on differing religious beliefs between the employer and the employee because that would be tantamount to depriving the employee of the freedom to exercise his religion. You would be stepping on THREE fundamental rights: 1. freedom to practice one’s religion 2. freedom of speech and 3. security of tenure

  • indiosbravos2002

    The main thrust of the Catholic faith is to convert nonbelievers to Christianity and Catholicism. In this issue, not only are they not winning converts but making their members nonbelievers.

    The church can force the Ateneo, at great peril to academic freedom, in firing their teachers, being a Catholic run university. No question about it. However, they should find a good legal basis, because, a better counter civil lawsuit is in the making. One that can cost the church hundreds of millions in damages plus reinstatement of the teachers. Not to mention thousands of members being turned off by the church bullying tactics.

  • Noel

    First, CBCP warned politicians that they would not get the church’s endorsement if they support RH Bill.  Then, CBCP warns the students of Catholic School.  Bishop Bacani even warned members of El Shaddai not to attend the worship service if they support RH.  Here comes warning again this time on Professors.  It’s modern day Inquisition.  

  • MillieMorales

    BULLIES!!! The Catholic Church is using “unholy” threats and bullying methods to hardworking people for their beliefs–the lowest form of intimidation from these stupid bishops. Catholic Church, you are not inspiring me to attend the mass because of your backward ways and corruption. If you say the government is corrupt, what about your priests who sodomize children and rape women? What do you call that? I am a woman, heck, I’m a human being and I have the right to do everything in my power to protect MY OWN BODY. The sad part about this is that a lot of Filipinos do not know how to protect themselves against, for example, sexual diseases.Through the RH Bill, common Filipinos may acquire condoms without having to feel guilt. Condoms are not used to “kill” unborn children and I find it annoying that people only focus on the use of condom for preventing pregnancies. CONDOMS ARE USED TO PROTECT EVERYONE, MALE AND FEMALE FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES LIKE HIV, CHLAMYDIA, HPV, PID. If you don’t know the meaning of any of these acronyms, then I rest my case. 

    You also can’t give me the argument that “you’re just saying that because you lived…what if your parents aborted you or used condoms?”. My parents are devout Catholics but still used condoms and proper family planning. Me and my sister are “planned babies” and my whole family is enjoying the fruits of not having too many children. We are living a very comfortable life because of the responsible decisions my parents made. These decisions should be made by Filipino families WITHOUT the Catholic Church THREATENING THEM.

    • reddfrog

       People should realize that threats by  the Catholic clergy only works because people still believe in Catholicism, instead of going directly to God.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001097622813 Joel Agarano

      Well said. These teachers should be left alone and be unrestricted in imbibing their students’ with views that will foster and nourish their intellect. The CBCP’s world view seems to be trapped in an epoch where it continuously exerts its clout over all aspects of our lives. They are high on their own dogma’s opium.

      • MillieMorales

        Well said. As a teacher, CBCP irks the life out me. They’re bullying me as a woman and now as a teacher. 

      • reddfrog

         I find it weird that in this day and age women are still not qualified for priesthood.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RIDESONPRMTQS3UN3OZQUQEVYU Lawrence

       very well said!!

  • quenchy

    That there is the underlying problem in our country. All these religions, Iglesia ni Cristo, Born Again, El Shaddai, Jesus is Lord and the Catholic Church –  have their own political agenda. However, unlike all the other religions, those that are under the Catholic Church have their own mind and are not swayed by false preachers and warnings of eternal damnation.  It just doesn’t work. So get it through your thick sculls.

    • reddfrog

       Religion is the best get-rich-quick scheme. Just go directly to God. You do not need flawed human middlemen who are easily influenced by the devil since Jesus is already your middleman.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FT2CPDXUDXQWNV6RS3UYYFMTNI Mel

    Whoa…doing this, they’ll loose many church goers…they are adding injury instead if healing the wound…para na rin nilang sinabing it’s war if you don’t follow us.

  • Ricardo

    Wow the writer really wanted to make sure people get angry at the church. Bravo Ms. Journalist thank you for doing an exhag of the actual words of the Bishop. Then bravo again for reminding us of the misconstrued “excommunication” bit that the Bishop never said. Galing ng Inquirer totally anti-clerical and anti-Catholic. 

    • reddfrog

       You give the writer too much credit. People getting angry at the church – you should blame those stupid clergy.

      • julymorning

         THE PEOPLE U CALL STUPID ARE THE ONES WHO MAY HAVE BAPTIZED U AND UR PARENTS AND UR FAMILY MEMBERS. AND HOPEFULLY, U WON’T CALL THEM STUPID WHEN THEY GIVE U THE LAST RITE!!!

      • reddfrog

         Fortunately, I am not a Catholic. And yes, more than ever I believe they are stupid.

      • julymorning

         I ALSO BELIEVE THAT U ARE D MOST STUPID FROG THAT INHABIT THE PLANET!

      • reddfrog

        Thank you. But at least I know where the caps lock key is located on my keyboard. Clearly you don’t.

      • MillieMorales

        reddfrog OWNED you.

      • killerelite

        It seems you have so much angst with the clergy….i bet, you were denied or kicked out from a seminary? they don’t accept applicants with an IQ like that of yours. bwahahaha.

      • reddfrog

        “It seems you have so much angst with the clergy”

        ===> Anger and disgust. Angst is too “teenager”.

        “you were denied or kicked out from a seminary?”

        ===> hahaha, I won’t go to a seminary even if you bribe me. Anyway – I love wine, women and song too much. Oh, then again that alone makes me qualified.

        “they don’t accept applicants with an IQ like that of yours.”

        ===> Which is….. come on, take a guess.  ;-)

        “bwahahaha.”

        ===> Fake laughter? Why not just LOL?

    • MillieMorales

      Ganito lang yan, kung wala naman talagang ikakagalit sa balita, walang magagalit kahit anong gawing ng writer. Eh wala eh, ganun nga ang sinabi ng mga bishops at kahit sino naman mababad trip sa pangbubully na ginagawa nila. It’s very unfair for the teachers to be sacked because of their beliefs. The Catholic Church has gone too far.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HTWCS7YSLPVJPAHIIWG3I5Q4EQ jproquejr

    The Fall of Catholicism in the Philippines

    an ongoing project made by none other than CBCP itself. Clap clap clap.

    • indiosbravos2002

      We should give them credit. They are actually doing a good job at it, for a change. Bunch of scr@w ups.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      LOL! its like watching a stupid movie, self-destructing. 

  • indiosbravos2002

    The Pope should step in fast. The Catholic bishops have lost their bearings and are slowly but surely pushing away people from the church. IMHO, they should be the ones fired not the Ateneo teachers. Not only are they incompetent but have shown time and again that thwy are terrible leaders.

  • NYPinoy

    I am happy for those Ateneo professors.  They would experience what Galileo experienced when being investigated by the Catholic Church.  Since the end of the Inquisition, it has become an uncommon experience.  

  • WarOfSelf

    Remember that the catholic church wasn’t founded by God, but rather by men. This doesn’t make it absolute. Its interpretation of the bible is decided by a bunch of self-righteous men who thinks that they have greater wisdom than anybody else in this planet. In a way, it almost functions like a political party. Religion is flawed. I don’t think God would want us to bow to our fellow men for guidance, he’s given us the tools necessary to think for ourselves but at the same time upholding and protecting everyone elses freedom. 

    Of course that’s my theory if god does exist. Otherwise, the RH bill is a no brainer to anyone who has a half decent brain and can understand its implications towards the betterment of this country, and not because it is degrading moral values.

    Not that young, unmarried women are getting knocked up already anyway around this country, right? /sarcasm

    • spearheads

      You said, “Remember that the catholic church wasn’t founded by God, but rather by men.”

      Your first line shows that you are also a heretic. If not then you might have read this from the Bible when Jesus said to one of his disciples thus, “I will name you Simon – Peter, the Rock and upon this Rock I shall build my Church.”

      Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

      • tamumd

        But he didn’t say ..”upon this rock I shall build my church..the catholic church! lol. Oh you need to continue reading 5 verses further down and see how Jesus called Peter! lol. That must be your church!

      • reddfrog

         oh herculubus, the hypocrite supreme.

      • spearheads

        Oh reddfrog, the ever leapingconfused  yellow frog, without any rebuttal but pure contempt and hate.

      • reddfrog

        I do not hate. I make fun of people. You only see it as hate and contempt if you do not have a sense of humor.

        Now, hypocrisy, that is another matter.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        So by making fun of people who do not agree with you, what positive result do you get?

        NOTHING but contempt. Congratulations.

      • reddfrog

        How about entertainment? As for contempt, that’s the hazard of the job. Can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        You are mixing your own brand of entertainment in what’s supposed to be a forum for an intelligent and respectful exchange of opinions. It is the likes of you who do not belong here. Sa YouTube maraming bastós magcomento dun. Parang OK lang yata sa YouTube ang ganún. Dun ca más bagay. No offense meant. Just telling the truth (based on your own claim that you’re commenting that way simply for entertainment and contempt’s sake).

      • $29483279

         Sayang lang ang talent mo, Kung bishop ka man o damaso. wala naman nag aapreciate sa sinasabi mo. Pa latin latin ka pa..

      • WarOfSelf

        Heresy? Thanks, I take it as a compliment. After all Galileo was branded as one. 

        Sorry but there is no absolute proof that the bible was written by the words of God and not by the malice of men. And for that reason alone, I would not want to lay the foundations of all my philosophies in life on explicitly the bible alone. 

        I hate it when people call other people heretics for not being believers of what they believe in. Its pretty much the same level as extremists raging their jihad on non-believers. You are an example why there is still oppression in this modern day and age.

        And stop with your Latin, it doesn’t make you any more intelligent.

      • spearheads

        If you welcome heresy then why criticize the Catholic Church. Church says they will excommunicate those who defy religious dogma and fire Ateneo Professors who are hard headed. Well and good, you must rejoice. Isn’t your wish that the flocks of the Church will be diminished? So what’s the problem? Or, are you confused? 

        Lastly you mentioned “stop the Latin.” Ok, I will translate it for your own good. Falsus in unus, falsus in omnibus simply means fault or error of one is fault of error of all. The first line in your original post is your erroneous premise therefore the concluding parts need no further rebuttal since it proceeded from a wrong premise. Absent ka siguro noong itinuro sa college mo ang Logic or have you finished college?

      • reddfrog

        I find it odd that someone who encourages genocide and racism at another forum defending the Catholic clergy. Oh wait, The Vatican kept quiet when Hitler was exterminating the Jews. Pari ka ano herculubut? Hypocrite herculubut. Hehehehehe.

      • quirinomayer

         Since you claim that the church is founded on Peter, how do you interpret this injunction from him? How come your dear CBCP is fighting the government on the case of the RH Bill when Peter said that they are to submit to authorities?  “Therefore submit yourself to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s
        sake, whether to the king as supreme. Or to governors, as to those who
        are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of
        those who do good.” (I Peter 2:13, 14)

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Jesuits have been known to fight against mainstream RCC.

  • jinx

    Disturbing…. shows only the shallowness of the CBCP, branding supporters of RH bill as heretics.

  • jeff justice

    Is ATENEO a taxpayer?

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      eh ano ngayon? 

    • miiron

      nah. i think Ateneo and other catholic schools operate as a semi NGO.  whatever profit that their school realized is called  accidental income hence its tax free.  but i,m not really sure… 

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Also, they need to earn profit for school maintenance, salaries to employees, and the like.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Yes they are and also a Catholic Affiliated.. I don’t see a Non-Christian/Anti Christian school or oraganization that wil allow their people to teach or indoctrinate the otherwise…. Sack the Teachers… let them teach where the name of the issuers of thier paychecks- supports the RH Bill.

  • Jonas Cruz

    The CBCP is clearly stepping in to appease the Vatican, as it does not want to be with the likes of Peru and Germany in stripping its universities of ‘pontifical’ titles. Clearly, Catholicism in this country remains very much the same as in the Middle Ages. It has not yet showed signs of maturity (i.e. receiving pajeros from the state lottery – gambling which it vehemently renounces). These bishops should stop thinking that what they’re doing is in the moral interest of all Filipinos. 

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Really or are we the last of its conversative kind… that is why there is global participation from Abortionist and Anti Christian Family Organizations….By the way, what is Vatican 2000 years ago….. The Rock where Christ he built his church… be counted as the ones who help keep it, not knocking it down because do not like the men and women who currently and was running them. They are still humans…. missed the point.. RH Bill Kills… Given a Choice?—- Still kills Human Fetuses

      • reddfrog

         Tell me how condoms and IUDs kill fetuses?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        I’m not familiar with IUDs. But condoms don’t kill fetuses. But they do prevent fetuses from forming. That is the evil there: it PREVENTS life. Nápacasimple — why do you have to stop something that is NATURAL?

      • reddfrog

         Uh-huh. So if I “abstain” to prevent life from forming (which is why I abstain in the first place), is that a sin? My golly we should all be breeding like rabbits! Let’s have an orgy! Woohoo!!!!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Abstaining is different from people who use IUDs and condoms. The latter are engaging in sex, but merely to satisfy their earthly pleasures. I have no idea what kind of abstention you do. You’re a frog. I’m not.

      • MillieMorales

        So condoms are evil because they prevent “life” from forming? What about STDs and HIV? How can your “natural way of forming life” prevent that? By abstaining? What if these diseases were passed through rape?

      • Michael Paras

        The Pope already changed his stance regarding condoms being used in special cases (to prevent STD, or used by sex workers).

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Do we have to pass the RH Bill simply because of that “rape” argument? I don’t think so.

      • Michael Paras

        Natural methods? That also involves sex without the intention of forming a baby. What’s the difference then? Does that mean every Catholic should only have sex with the sole intention of reproducing?

        Edit: And I shouldn’t even be mentioning “Catholics” as our country isn’t 100 percent Catholic, nor do the 80 million or so who profess to it are “devout” enough to restrict themselves to natural/abstinence.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “Does that mean every Catholic should only have sex with the sole intention of reproducing?”
        Just a slight correction: you should have written “every Catholic couple”. We’re not asexual beings, you know. =) Anyway, you won’t like the answer to that question. It’s a resounding YES.

        Let’s say that natural methods are meant solely as a “preventive measure”. It’s hard to cope up with the times, you know. We’re living in an age where sex is but a mere commodity, something to entertain our flesh. God never intended that to be.

        “And I shouldn’t even be mentioning “Catholics” as our country isn’t 100 percent Catholic, nor do the 80 million or so who profess to it are “devout” enough to restrict themselves to natural/abstinence.”

        Don’t worry. I am limiting this discussion to Catholicism and the RH Bill. And those Catholics who do not follow this simple and basic Church rule simply need guidance and more education.

      • Michael Paras

        I stand corrected regarding the grammatical oversight.

        “Let’s say that natural methods are meant solely as a “preventive
        measure”. It’s hard to cope up with the times, you know. We’re living in
        an age where sex is but a mere commodity, something to entertain our
        flesh. God never intended that to be.”

        – This is what puzzles me the most. If the church would allow such “preventive measures”, how come contraceptive use whose sole aim is also to “prevent” conception should be proclaimed morally wrong?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Please be cautioned that those are my own words. I don’t represent the Catholic Church. Anyway, artificial is artificial no matter what we all say. Natural can never replace that. The real enemy that we are facing today is not overpopulation but L U S T.

      • Michael Paras

        You used your own interpretation to suit your needs, so why can’t we proRH also use ours?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “You used your own interpretation to suit your needs, so why can’t we proRH also use ours?”

        And whatever gave you the idea that I’m stopping you? I am merely rebutting your arguments. I didn’t say that you cannot use/share your beliefs, no matter how erroneous they are.

  • LabkoPinas

    I sent my three boys and one daughter to catholic schools and instead of making them true believers in my catholic faith they have now turned away from from the church. I thought it was my teachings but now that they are adults they have told me all that it was their education that turned them away. My family is still intact but their faith is not. There definitely is something wrong with the way the Catholic church is now influencing our kids. Vote for the RH bill and only listen to those priests that are sincere and who do not behave worst then the fundamentalist Al Queda.

    • reddfrog

       Which proves that education is the best weapon against ignorance and superstition.

    • MillieMorales

      I was very active in our Parish when I was in elementary, I would join Sunday classes and always participate in all church activities. I also attended a catholic school in Alabang but after graduating, I stopped going to church. We did not like how they fired very interesting teachers whose views “differ” from the school or the  Catholic Church. These teachers were the ones who really listened and addressed student problems instead of giving us “demerits” for wearing very little make up, having a bit of color on our hair, skirts that are too short or too long etc. This catholic school also turned a blind eye when it came to students bullying other students. 

      Not going to church really strained my relationship with my mother and I felt guilty for “sinning” and not attending masses. Then, I went to UP and we studied the history of the Catholic Church. My growing doubt since high school was cemented by all the atrocities the church has committed. I still believe in God and I still pray quite a lot. I believe that kindness always wins, respecting all people and going about my journey without hurting or stepping on anyone. I now only attend mass during my birthdays and Christmas as per my mother’s final request on the matter.

      • LabkoPinas

        That is exactly the same as my kids. They strongly believe in God but do not anymore go to church because they are turned off by the priests “Holier than thou attitudes”.

    • http://twitter.com/mrb_baldo Mark Robert B Baldo

      Mam or sir,

      I thought this article about these professors would have explained to you why your sons and daughter ended up falling away from the Church. Sadly, the Church and its academic institutions have been infiltrated.

      • MillieMorales

        Her sons and daughter, like me, ended up falling away from the Church not because of professors like these, but because we saw and experienced first hand, the perversion and backward ways of the Catholic Church and its die hard followers, NOT because of  good teachers who wanted progress for this country. 

      • APVF

        After spending 13 years (pre-school to high school) in a Catholic school, my faith in the Church was SEVERELY weakened. The nuns who ran my alma mater were greedy and materialistic–hypocrites, basically. I went to Ateneo for college and studied Philosophy and Theology under some of the professors who signed the statement of support and are currently under fire. Much thanks to them, I was able establish a new relationship with God, one that’s not based on Catholic doctrine, but simply on love and faith. It was the Church that DESTROYED my faith. It was the lessons I learned from my professors in Ateneo that SAVED it. 

        The CBCP and the rest of the Catholic Church should be grateful to these teachers in Ateneo, because there are MANY others who are just like me. 

      • LabkoPinas

        No, I sincerely believe it is this insecurity, the out of this world doctrines and the abuse  of the prelates of the catholic faith that has failed them thru the examples they show and their do what we preach but do not do what we do attitude. Darn, I should have sent them to state universities and also save a lot of money.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      True… This really proves that good education doesn’t equate to having sincere christian moral values. We need teachers who had both – intellect and strong christian moral values. Not all schools have values- Christian and Secular. Either it was purposefully infilterated for deceit, choices of teachers, and faith of the teachers, the view and heartbeat of the school. It bottom lines to each and every parent saying….. Tulong-ngan kitang maging mabait para dios at ang kapwa mo at pa-katapos saga maging matalino ka. Choice is always given… When you grow up –  chose wisely. By the way, Wisdom is also given if asked sincerely. Ignorance is a choice but the othewise isn’t.

  • 我恨中国人

    Why don’t we organize a “wear red to mass for those who want the RH Bill to be passed” this sunday?

  • Tnosce

    Ateneo has been infiltrated by heretics, temporarily close your institution and reorganize create new policies and update old policies to preserve the dignity and the integrity of the schools. Your staff and teachers are all dispensable. 

    • indiosbravos2002

      I sugest one more change… rename the school to NEW CATHOLIC TALIBAN University.

      Because naming the school after the city state Athens will be then a joke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ogs.peace Ogs Ablazo

    how unchristian of the Catholic Church — to want those teachers who are proChoice — to be fired. tsk.

  • RobertoMagtuytoy

    Be the change you wanted to be.  I think its time for ATENEO to become a model of true DEMOCRACY and instill to all their students the freedom to create their own paradigm.

  • $29483279

    Ang lupit talaga mga ninayupak na Pajero bishops na mga ito.

    Pag ganyan nang ganyan kayo mauubos ang miyembro ninyo.

    Lupit ninyo talaga. Nasaan ang demokrasya sa inyo? Subukan ninyong i-xcomunicate niyo lahat ng katolikong majority sumusoporta ng RH bill. Tingnan kung di kayo maubosan ng miyembro. 

    Mga tanga, di ninyo alam ang dami na nang gumagamit pills sa miyembro ninyo.

    Mga ipokrito kayo.

  • sir_ed

    On the other hand, this may all be the Inquirer’s spin just to get an attention-getting headline.  Heresy?  My arse.  The writer and editor must’ve studied in UP.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      bitter kung bitter ang writer. 

    • MillieMorales

      Huwag kang bitter kasi hindi ka nakapasa sa UPCAT.

      • sir_ed

        Unang-una hindi ko minamaliit ang UP.  Ang aking tinutukoy ay ang maluwang na paggamit ng salitang “heresy.”  Sa mga nag-aral sa mga “Catholic school,” ang salitang “heresy” ang may tiyak na kahulugan, at ito ay ang paniniwala ukol sa pananampalataya na hindi sang-ayon sa turo ng Simbahan.  Halimbawa, kung ang itinuturo mo ay si Hesus ay hindi Diyos–yan ay “heresy.”  Subalit kung nagpapahayag ka ng sarili mong paniniwala ukol sa isang kontrobersiya na may kinalalaman sa “Church and State,” hindi mo puwedeng sabihin na “heresy” ‘yan. 

        Kung basahin mo yung sinabi ni Arsobispo Palma, wala siyang binitawan na salitang “heresy.”  Mukhang inimbento yan ng manunulat, o kaya kung sino man ang nagsulat ng “headline.”  Tinukoy ko ang UP kasi karamihan sa mga istap (staff) ng Inquirer ay galing doon.

        Pangalawa pumasa din ako sa UPCAT, pero sumunod ako sa hiling ng aking mga magulang na mag-aral sa Ateneo.  Subalit nag-aral naman ako ng M.A. sa UP-Diliman.

  • txtman

    THESE FACULTIES SHOULD NOT BE USING THE NAME OF ATENEO.

    IF THEY WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR OWN OPINION
         THEY SHOULD DO IT ON THEIR OWN – NOT USING ATENEO AS LEVERAGE.

    COMMON SENSE HINDI BA?

    KAGAYA DIN YAN SA IGLESIA NI KRISTO

    THEY ONLY HIRE IGLESIA NI KRISTO MEMBERS WHO MUST FOLLOW
        THEIR SECT TEACHINGS

    SO WHAT IS THE BIG FUSS??????

    THEY WORK IN A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION
        THEN THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE RULES OF THAT ORGANIZATION

    IF NOT, THEY CAN QUIT!

    SUPPOSEDLY MATATALINO DAW ANG MGA FACULTIES NA YAN
    THEN BAKIT KASIMPLE-SIMPLENG RULES HINDI PA NILA MASUNOD?

    HINDI BA VERY PITIFUL?

    FACULTIES WHO DON’T KNOW TO FOLLOW RULES?
    MARUNONG BA SILA MAGBASA NG RULES AND REGULATIONS NG SCHOOL?

    WAG NA TAYONG MAGTAKA NA MASKI SA ATENEO EH MADAMI DIN MGA
         BUBOWIT!

    PITIFUL

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      BITTER ka naman masyado. saang university ka galing? (ay, maling tanong … college graduate ka ba to begin with?) 

      • txtman

        SAANG UNIVERSITY AKO GALING?

        INENG, HINDI KAKAYANIN NG IYONG BRAIN SA SCHOOL NA PANANGGALINGAN KO

        BITTER?

        EXCUSE ME?

        I AM JUST BEING FRANK!

        BAKIT HINDI MO MATANGGAP NA MERON MGA BOBOWIT NA GALING NG ATENEO?

        A GOOD EXAMPLE IS
        YUNG NASA MALACANAN PALACE  NGAYON

        DO I NEED TO NAME NAMES?

        EXCUSE ME?

        MADAMI KAYA SA MGA TAGA-ATENEO ANG NAGPAPAGAWA NG MGA PROJECTS AND ASSIGNMENTS SA IBA

        EXCUSE ME?

        KUNG SA UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES NGA MADAMI DIN
            ANG MGA BUBOWIT SA ATENEO PA KAYA?

        EXCUSE ME

        YOU FLATTER YOURSELVES TOO MUCH!

        PITIFUL

      • Michael Paras

        Wanbol University.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GF4ZNQFZOE4RL4DBUQB4S2SWY Gerard

      Can you please cite the specific rule violated by the employees so we can determine whether there is a valid ground to dismiss.

      • txtman

        ISA PA ITONG HINDI MARUNONG MAGBASA

        ANO BA SINABI NI BISHOP MEDROSO?

        TOY, SIMPLE LANG YAN

        IF YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS AND RULES OF A PARTICULAR
             RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION
        JUST QUIT

        KAYSA SA MANANATILI KA NA PARANG ANAY NA SUMISIRA
            SA ISANG RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION

        MATATALINO KAYO HINDI BA?
        BAKIT KASIMPLE-SIMPLE HINDI NINYO MAINTINDIHAN?

        I AM SURE PAG-IGLESIA NI KRISTO NAGSABI NIYAN
             WALANG AANGAL.

        PITIFUL HINDI BA?

    • reddfrog

       Caps lock on the left side of your keyboard.

      • http://www.skysenshi.com/ skysenshi

        That’s the funny thing. The person keeps spouting about following rules, but can’t follow the rules of basic writing (or netiquette) to begin with.

    • indiosbravos2002

      This is also the reason why you cant find NEW ERA University on the creme dela creme of Philippine education. Ateneo is an elite school (second to DLSU… Hehehehe) because of its faculty. Take those people away and Ateneo will be at the level of those fly by night universities like STI and AMA.
      And please dont question their intelligence. Im certain your college diploma will pale in comparison sa PH.D at MAs ng mga yan.

      • Michael Paras

        Question is, does txtman even hold a high school diploma? I ask this in all seriousness.

      • anu12345

         Huwag ninyong pansinin. Kita mo naman na ‘bading’ ang dating ng mga posts.

      • reddfrog

        Marunong mag-ispell ng pitiful pero hindi alam kung nasaan ang caps lock. Siguro retarded.

      • http://www.skysenshi.com/ skysenshi

        Kaw naman. Nakahawak ng dictionary at natuwa siya sa salitang “pitiful” kaya lagi niya ginagamit. Pagbigyan mo na. Hehehe.

        But yes. I do agree about the intelligence of Ateneo faculty. True intelligence lies in the questioning of rules. If intelligent people did not question rules, then we would still believe that the sun revolved around the earth.

      • txtman

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        PALE TO THEIR PH.D at MA?

        WHAT MAKES YOU THINK, NA WALANG MGA NAKADIKIT SA PANGALAN KO DIN TOY?
        MAs daw?
        Ph. D daw?
        Of what?EXCUSE ME!

        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        ALAM MO INENG, IF YOU CAREFULLY READ THE RANKINGS OF SCHOOLS

        HINDI NAMAN SINASABI DOON KUNG ANO MGA IQ NG MGA STUDENTS EH
        SINASABI LANG DOON KUNG ILAN ANG MAY MAS/PHD NG MGA TEACHERS
        THE USE OF COMPUTERS, ETC. ETC.

        MAY GINAWA BA SILANG APTITUDE TEST?
        WALA
        IN FAIRNESS TO THE OTHER SCHOOLS

        KAYA WAG KANG MAGMAYABANG

        HUMILITY IS A VIRTUE, INENG
        AND DON’T FORGET
        HINDI MAGANDANG TIGNAN ANG NAGBUBUHAT NG SARILING
            SALAMPUET

        PALE IN COMPARISSON DAW OH?
        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        PITIFUL

      • indiosbravos2002

        Sorry po. Pulis po ba kayo. nakalimutan ko may title nga pala. PO1 Txtman. Joke. Hehehe.

    • Michael Paras

      Netiquette?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7VHKJE6RB3UD3RYMO4X36KGES4 edlyn

      i came from the ateneo and there was no rule there against thinking for yourself. instead, as an EDUCATIONAL institutions, we were encouraged to hone our critical thinking, to question things, especially those that do not make sense. things like these, for instance. bravo to these brave ateneo faculty!

      • txtman

        YOU’RE BRAGGING THAT YOU CAME FROM ATENEO?

        WELL SAD TO SAY

        YOU ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PERSON

        WHO IS EDUCATED BUT NOT LEARNED

        WHAT IS THERE TO BRAG?

        MAKES ME PUKE

        PITIFUL

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7VPGLXQFLDIPJJJJOPTAB6EG5U jake

      and what rule did these faculty go against??? I am a member of the Ateneo community and know of no such rule barring faculty from voicing their opinion. They may be going against the teachings of these hypocritical bishops, but they have no say in the inner working of the university. They have no right to fire employees of any outside company lest they be in violation of labor laws.

      • txtman

        THEY CAN VOICE WHATEVER THEIR OPINIONS

        BUT, DO NOT DRAG THE NAME OF ATENEO FOR THEIR OWN
           PERSONAL INTERESTS

        MEMBER KA NG ATENEO COMMUNITY?

        ALAM MO TOY, PARANG KANG ANAY NA SUMISIRA SA ATENEO

        WHEN YOU ACCEPTED TO WORK IN ATENEO
             YOU AGREED TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH

        HINDI BA?

        USE YOUR 800 MG BRAIN

        PITIFUL

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

      cge nga, sabihin mo nga yan straight up sa kanila? i’m sure kung sino kang nanliit at nilunok ang sariling bayag pag nakaharap mo sila. pitifool you.

      • txtman

        AKO MANLILIIT SA KANILA?
        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        INENG, ATENEO FACULTIES LANG SILA
        KUNG POSITION AT PERA LANG ANG PAG-UUSAPAN
        HINDI KO SILA KALEVEL
        AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        TOY, KUNG SINA JOSE RIZAL NGA NOON EH GINAMIT ANG PRESS
        AKO PA KAYA?

        SILA ANG WALANG BAYAG AT DELICADEZA
        KASI GINAGAMIT NILA PANGALAN NG ATENEO FOR THEIR OWN
              PERSONAL INTERESTS

        PITIFUL

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

        hulol. show or not true.

    • GuestUzer

      Caps broken? or you’re just an A – S – S – H – O – L – E ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/573GKVTQMBD62PQ6XOEPMI7LXA Yugi

    Since when did the Church has the right to sack people from the Ateneo De Manila Faculty?

  • lostRunes

    Are we in the middle ages? Galileo was imprisoned for believing that the earth revolved around the sun. Anong petsa na…

  • MarcyPulilan

    I am Catholic and want to leave. Where can I send my application for excommunication? Please send me 1000 copies more for my friends who wants to do the same. This control of the Catholic church on our minds have eneded since the internet started. We are more educated now. They were flourishing during the spainish times and earlier because they can instill fear from people who do not know. Now that we know, we do not need this church. we can always be with God through our concience. There is a big difference between believing in a religion than in believeing in God. Believing in religion you get to follow rules made by men not by God.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mouxing.wu Mouxing Wu

      WAIT … pakihintay ako. gusto kong sumama .. parang game show lang.  the catholic church is out of their minds. they are blind that people are suffering because of poor healthcare. 

      THE PEOPLE, on the other hand, are blinded because of their ‘faith’ (fanaticism?)

      • txtman

        POOR HEALTH CARE?

        NGAWA KA KASI NG NGAWA

        HAVE YOU BEEN INTO ANY GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS?

        MAGSTAY KA DOON NG ISANG LINGGO

        DYAN MALALAMAN MO ANG KASAGUTAN

        SABIHIN MO DIN YAN KAY ONA HA?

        MAGDUTY SIYA NG ISANG BUWAN SA ISANG PROVINCIAL EMERGENCY HOSPITAL

        WAG LANG PARATI SA AIRCONDITIONED ROOM

        PITIFUL

      • http://www.skysenshi.com/ skysenshi

        I stopped being Catholic when Pope John Paul II died. He was a gentle soul, a humanist who apologized to other religions and nations for the Church’s past transgressions and intolerance. His replacement, however, threw us back to the dark ages (like when the Church punished Galileo for saying that the earth revolved around the sun).

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

        Good for the Catholic, less choicy flock who cannot appreciate some good deeds of Catholic saints and Catholic martyrs. 

      • Guest

         Good deeds = eliminating almost the entire population of Indians in America

    • txtman

      who cares?

      HINDI KA NAMAN TALAGA CATHOLICS EH

      YOU ARE JUST USING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET MEMBERS IN YOUR SECT

      NOW, THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL

      A PITIFUL OPPURTUNIST!

      IN SHORT

      ISA KANG TAONG LINTA!

      PITIFUL

      • Michael Paras

        Nasira ba caps lock mo? Bakit sigaw ka ng sigaw? Easy lang, baka atakihin ka sa puso niyan.

      • reddfrog

         Pitiful kasi keyboard niya. hehehe.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bono.diaz Bono Diaz

        wala namang sect na binanggit ah. basa basa din. and uso mag lower caps

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QR5BLN2SJRPRXTCYPHQMB7GQSE Ed

        txtman ok ka lang? or you are a sucker too?

      • MillieMorales

        Medyo mahina talaga ang comprehension skills nito. Kanina pa ‘to.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      You might want to re-consider. You really think the the internet made you more educated and the times or whatever you want to call it. But recognize that these eras come and come again – 2000 years. Most of those time, A lot of people, say they have reach nirvana, but have been mistaken. Just come to think of this, Lucifer got all the first hand information that he has access to, how come it ended differently. 

      • reddfrog

         Knowledge is better than ignorance.

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of God.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        Blessed are the open-minded for theirs the ownership of their lives.

      • $29483279

        You are quoting a verse in the Bible & I don’t you understand what you are sharing. Sige ipaliwanag mo ang pag kakaintindi mo sa verse naito. Kung di mo kaya eh better shut up, father Damaso.

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Why should I?

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Adverse reaction? hehe

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        The Blessed live under bridges like Rats and eat Garbage food called Pagpag.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

        Of course, Mr. Communist, and half human. Your ignorance about Catholic doctrines deprived you of  better life.So please acquire more knowledge. 

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QR5BLN2SJRPRXTCYPHQMB7GQSE Ed

      me too i want to be excommunicated officially. Sama tayo Marcy.  I got a brother who was a priest thank God he was taken early in his life, I knew the politics inside the church He was suffering a lot vecause he knew the in fighting amongst  sipsip sa obispo. This catholic society is so desperate with so much in fighting inside the church

    • isidro c. valencia

      It is wonderful to know that our Church authorities are asserting its leadership to promote Catholic doctrines. Every Catholic should do its part to defend our faith, morality and truth. It is not Inquisition, it is discipline.

      The mere fact that you stated to relinquish your adherence to Catholic Church is enough. There are still about 77M or 85% of 90M Catholics less one (which is you) is now 76,999, 999 Catholics.  

      The Catholic Church is promoting Love of God. It is you who are defining what religion is all about. You are only Catholic by baptismal certificate but you do not practice Catholicism. 

      You worship now Internet. That is your god.

      • MarcyPulilan

        Isidro Valencia, you still do not get it, God and anything else are two different entetities. God cannot be religion and God cannot also be the internet. It does not matter how many Catholics remain Catholics, what matters is its numbers are dwindling which means people are getting educated and that the Catholic hierarchy is slowly getting busted with their crimes against their own flock. Proof here is see how attendance in Masses dwindle in better informed areas and see how heavy the attendance is where they can still instill fear through ignorance.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

        Of course, God is totally different from Internet (which you worship).

        I am proud to tell you that there are now increasing number of Catholics who are going back and attending Catholic Mass. Why? They found emptiness from other sects and religion like Neo Atheist, Burned Again, INC, Protestants, Christians (kuno), and Muslims.There are educated Catholics from Ateneo, De La Salle, Adamson, San Beda and other Women Catholic Schools who are internet literate who still adhere to Catholics doctrines. Nag iisa ka lang or 13.5M (Neo Atheist, Burned Again or Born Against, Protestants, Lutherans, Christians Kuno, and Muslims against 77M Catholics.You Anti-God and Anti Christ disciple. 

      • MarcyPulilan

        Not where I am, the catholic churches here is only 20% occupied on a Sunday and mostly attended by the 50 – 90 age group. You could barely see the 20 and 30 year old attend church anymore. Compared to the internet cafe nearby where they have long lines waiting for a seat even if it is not even a Sunday. You their numbers grow more by 9 PM.

      • isidro c. valencia

         Your source is not scientifically proven. That is only found in your limited cranial capacity. You are not a genuine Catholic, and yet you were saying about the figures, without going to Church. Unfounded claim. I am sure you hate going to Catholic Church and you are fond of computer shop.

      • MarcyPulilan

        I was never a genuine Catholic and will never be just on paper. I used to go to Church because our priest considered not going to Church as a mortal sin. And that based on chuyrch teachings if you die with a mortal sin you go to that place they tell you where is hot and eternal punishment. Until I discovered that our God is more of a loving God and will not allow any of His sons to suffer eternal anguish. From then on, I saw how these parish priests use fear to have their flock follow them. Also I hated during the sermon the announcement of how much each parishoner donated to the church, pabonggahan. This was spearheaded by a priest in Fairview QC back in the mid 70’s and guess what this priest is now a Monsignor. They had a contest Ms. Good Sheppered, and it turned out, the winner – because of the donations she garnered can appropriately be called Miss German Sheppered.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

        In Logic 101, what you can say of whole, you cannot say of a part. That priest you were saying is only part of the Catholic Church and not the whole. Cardinal Sin was a good priest.

    • Rigoberto_Doronila

      You’d be in good company. There’s Luther, who wanted to have sex with a nun. There’s Henry VIII, who wanted to divorce and marry his mistresses, then killed 3 of them. Then There’s your fellow abortionists. If you leave, good riddance!!!

      • MarcyPulilan

        And when I leave, I do not have to worry about my little boy when the parish priest becomes too fond of him.

      • Rigoberto_Doronila

        ….because there’s no pedophiles anywhere except the catholic church! good logic!

      • MarcyPulilan

        No the logic is because pedophiles can easily attack if they are trusted by the victim, especially if the culprit is in higher authority.

      • Rigoberto_Doronila

        lame.

      • MarcyPulilan

        I do not see it to be “lame” when young boys are victimized/assaulted sexually  by their parish priests. If you see it that way then you are condoning their acts or maybe you experienced it yourself and you think there is nothing wrong with it.

      • Rigoberto_Doronila

        super lame

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Q5EHNRA6LXAHGXPSMAXBGJ4ME isidro

      You send to moronics. You are not a Catholic. You are atheist. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      The church won’t excommunicate you.  They will lose their only Source of Income in Asia.

  • filipinaskoh

    WAH!

    The Bishops had they gone mad? 

    HERESY?

    They are NOT teachers of the the Catholic laws, they are not teaching in the monastery nor to those aspiring to become priest.

    My goodness! They are teaching in a university whose student would someday become professionals in different fields. ADMU is a Catholic University that caters to students regardless their religious affiliation. Why  do the Bishops had to impress upon their religious belief.

    What happened to the bishops’ reasoning ability, was it gnawed by their pride and their moronic doctrines about raising a family? 

    • Htee

      They are now blinded by their hatred with this administration for making them return their presious SUVs., for making them look greedy in the eyes of their flocks.
      Yes there were resistance before but not as fierce as this time.
      And they have not yet awaken to the facts of reality that this time, more and more people who are pro RH Law.
      As their anti RH numbers are dwindling, there is a direct proportion in the increase in the pro RH side. It either pro or con, right????
      And this infuriate them so much that they’re not thinking straight anymore.

      Pathetics….

  • txtman

    REACT KAYO NG REACT SA CATHOLIC CHURCH

    BAKIT HINDI KAYO MAGREACT SA IGLESIA NA KRISTO????

    MASNAKIKISAWSAW NGA SILA SA POLITIKA AH?

    HINDI BA?

    SUPPOSEDLY MERON SILANG VOTING BLOCK?

    PITIFUL

    • reddfrog

       Kasi ang pinaguusapan sa topic na ito ay ang simbahang Katoliko. It’s weird to be ranting about the INK, it will be OT. That said – INK is a disease – dapat tawag dyan Iglesia ni Manalo.

      • txtman

        HUH?

        OT?

        ANG INK PRO-RH YAN

        PAPAANO MAGIGING OT?

        TINAWAG NA NILA NG LAHAT NG MASASAMANG PANGALAN ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH

        BAKIT ANG INK WALA?

        PITIFUL

      • reddfrog

        Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it.
        And obviously neither is netiquette.
        You won’t go far in life.

      • MillieMorales

        I laughed so hard at this. I’m sorry. XD

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176001681 Erwin De Leon

    I’m not really surprised. After all, the church furiously attacked Darwin for saying that humans evolved from lesser primates. And Galileo too, for saying that the Earth revolved around the sun.

    • reddfrog

      That is the problem if you based your belief on outdated man-made dogmas (lies) and sell it as the absolute truth to the uneducated masses. Sooner or later these “uneducated masses” will become educated and will learn how to think for themselves and things will come crashing down.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        Agree. When people couldn’t explain how things work, religion proved to be useful. But now in the information age, its more difficult for those dogmas to take hold.

    • spearheads

      Until now, they are still looking for the “missing link” of your Darwin theory. And guess what? Latest scientific discovery proves that humans did not come from the Neandertals, so what’s our origin, Darwin? Mabuti pang sabihin mo na galing tayo sa “aliens” at least aminado na ang Vatican ngayon that there might be extraterrestrial beings in the universe.

      • reddfrog

        “there might be extraterrestrial beings in the universe.”

        ===> You mean the one sitting in the Vatican looking like Emperor Palpatine?

      • MillieMorales

        You forgot about Galileo. How can you defend that? So if the Catholic Church says the earth is square, you’ll believe them now?

    • superpilipinas

      The Germans also thought the Aryan race was superior and the Americans thought slavery was good.

      Now we don’t condemn the Germans and the Americans anymore, do we?…..yup….exactly…it’s the present….so don’t dwell on the past for your reasoning.

  • GuestUzer

    A Clear act of “DESPERATION” from CBCP. 

    • reddfrog

       What can they do? Their “show of force of at least 50,000″ turned out to be 7,000. Kasama na dyan ang mga uzis.

      • superpilipinas

        What can they do?… like 14 years already…block the RH bill for another 14 years. I think even 1,000 is good enough.

    • superpilipinas

      It’s been winning for 14 years. I think the desperation is on the other side.

      • GuestUzer

        Firing employees and staff who are supporting the RH bill is a clear act of “DESPERATION”. Maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw. Tell me how huge is their loss if the bill is approved? Why are they acting so weird?

  • agaylaya

    Malalim ang pinangagalingan ng controversy na ito at malawak ang epekto sa bawat Katoliko at sa Catholic Church mismo.  Ang ADMU ay isang Catholic university. It has to adhere to the teachings of the Church otherwise it has to drop the word catholic. But ADMU is also a university and as such it has to respect so called “academic freedom” without which, many believe,  it can not call itself a university. Ano ngayon ang mas importante sa mga administrador (mga Jesuits) ng ADMU –to be first and foremost a Catholic institution or a university?  Hindi lang ang ADMU ang nasa controversy na ito kung hindi lahat ng Catholic educational institutions katulad ng UST, Adamson, SLU, san   

  • filipinaskoh

    It is better to be excommunicated than to be sacked!

    If you were sacked you will lose your job. If excommunicated you will lose the bishops and the priest, Who cares?

    Be careful bishops in issuing your excommunication order to those who used and will use and will favor RHbill, you might end up alone in your congregation

  • kayanatwo

    21aug2012

    INQUISITION –  ateneo’s brand of academic censure.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

    just like that and we’re back in the dark ages.

    • Claude Despabiladeras

      You said it!  I was thinking the exact same thing while reading the article. Horrors! This is going to get ugly. 

  • Line Of Flight

    time for CHED to revoke accreditation of all catholic schools controlled by the CBCP. this unquestionably violates minimum academic standards by interfering with academic freedom

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

      And human rights

  • aguedoflorencejalin

    To the 160 ADMU Professors who are pro-RH:

     Your “collective identity” (by Emeh Shaveh) represents the ADMU Academic Community so please refrain from saying “this is not the stand of ADMU.” The thing is you are ADMU professors but you, yourselves, are making it as an excuse. Once an Atenean, always an Atenean. This is what we teach to our students: Once a Thomasian, always a Thomasian. This is the Thomasian Identity. The name is an Identity.

     With your stand and conviction, I just hope you will have the courage to say to the generations to come that during our watch (as forebears), you have done your part and your best to safeguard the sanctity and dignity of life. May God accompany us in our journey to life. As the late Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, a Jew, put it,”the foundations of a society rests on its recognition of life’s sacredness.”

    Assoc. Prof. Aguedo Florence Jalin Jr
    Institute of Religion, UST
    agui_d_pogi04@yahoo.com

    • reddfrog

      I do not know what sanctity and dignity you are referring to when children are forced to pick up trash and discarded food to eat at a garbage dump because their parents cannot feed them having 12 kids to take care of.

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he. you don’t know. you bark (or croak?) at the wrong tree for problems.

        there is no sanctity or dignity in solving problems with patches or “condom solutions” a.k.a. panakip butas., especially when it costs 3 billion Pesos a year.

      • Michael Paras

        Abstinence and natural methods isn’t working now, isn’t it? Otherwise we won’t be having this discussion. So what’s your solution then?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

        The line of thinking is the more poor and ill educated people, the better it is for the church since it is easier to bring them to their line of thinking. A priest said that one can still fit billions in this country. Perhaps the church should be taxed heavily by the government so that it can afford the much needed social and welfare programs needed to support a huge population. To them, the more the merrier even if it means the people are forced to live like dogs in the street rather than a descent human being. In effect they are destroying the very humanity that they are fighting tosustain. The reality is jobs dont grow on trees, money is finite, the environment suffers with urban sprawl. Lets see if the church leadership can run this country better than the worst of governments. Ha! Charity can only bring you so far. Divine influence only works for those who truly strive and work hard to get what they want and need. It is time to rise up against this stupidity.

    • http://twitter.com/verolee96 Vero Lee

      YOUR GOD CANNOT HELP FEED HUNGRY CHILDREN……….THIS IS A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF S T U P I D I T Y

      • aguedoflorencejalin

          You don’t blame life and favor death because there are hungry children on the street. Do you blame your parents because you have life? Certainly, you don’t blame your parents because you are not hungry, right! So blame hunger not life. Hunger is not caused by life. It is caused by corruption. Don’t feed our Government with corrupt officials. And don’t feed the corrupt officials with RH Bill. So, do you think RH Bill will take out all children from the street or stop corruption? What do you think needs death, the children on the street or corruption? Or if you stop children from being born, are you putting an end to corruption? Better end corruption and this will provide future for the children. What do you think?

        Assoc. Prof. Aguedo Florence Jalin Jr.
        Institute of Religion, UST
        agui_d_pogi04@yahoo.com

    • Franz Psy

      Professor, I went to UST today and saw a banner posted near your new building saying “UST is Pro-Life, UST rejects the RH Bill”. I’m pretty sure not all UST students are against the RH Bill so with all due respect, I hope the University follows your line of thought and won’t speak for those students and say that rejecting the RH Bill is the collective identity/stand of UST.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bono.diaz Bono Diaz

        Im from UST, but I support the RH bill.
        His argument is now invalid.

    • Leonardof

      By the way, Prof Jalin, isn’t it right to say that such collective identity was imbibed by the impeached cheap justice corona?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7VHKJE6RB3UD3RYMO4X36KGES4 edlyn

    where in the world did you learn that??? catholics are not allowed to think for themselves??? what are they, brainless robots? how can theology go forward if the people who comprise the church are not allowed to reflect, think, have  opinions, and respectfully dissent if need be? i do not think you are catholic if you subscribe to this erroneous belief. the catholic church is not the taliban. get your dogmas straight. and fyi, i’ve studied in catholic institutions all my life, have numerous units in theology, and so i KNOW what i am talking about. we even have this thing called the primacy of the individual conscience. do YOU know anything about that? and you call yourself a catholic! 

    • reddfrog

       Sure, Catholics can think for themselves, as long as it’s in line with what the clergy thinks. In other words, you can have any choice of colors you want, as long as it is blue.

      • superpilipinas

        he-he-he. you chose to be a red d frog. you chose that. So you have free choice. Catholics chose to be Catholics because of the teachings. Any Catholic can always break away. That’s why protestants broke away.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

      This is why your opinions are biased. You refuse to see that the policies of the current leadership is leaning against the very fundamentals of freedom that the Church is teaching. Have you looked at catholic institutions in other countries? Seriously, i really do think that this is a localised Filipino problem and not a universal Catholic problem. Then again this is the last bastion in which the Church still has influence in the government and its people. It is afraid of change and prefers an environment where there are plenty of dumb people to brainwash rather than promote an environment where one can truly teach proper Christian morals and living. Even the sermons of Filipino priests in this country tend to be more political or damming compared to sermons I listen to in other countries where they actually contain substance and has a personal leaning. I am not questioning the Catholic Faith. I am questioning the methods of the Philippine Catholic leadership in reaching their goals.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

      Saying “and you call yourself catholic” and boasting about what you know is no different than a muslim calling for suicide bombing as holy war or other muslims saying that terrorists are not muslims. It shows a great deal of arrogance on your part and a great deal of judgement which the church considers as a sin. So, who is the hypocrite?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

    bat pa kasi kailangan may middleman to be closer to God? kung sa negosyo, elimintaion of the middlemen na wala naman talagang value is the key, dapat sa religion ganun din. down with the self-righteous church and officials! redtape lang ang mga yan. if God can speak, he will tell us the church is just one big inefficiency and should be taken out.

    • reddfrog

       A fatal flaw of the Church, or any organization that’s as big and powerful, is that it is run by men. We all know how even the most righteous men can succumb to power. Power changes a person. Jesus knows this very well that is why he especially said that No one comes to the Father except through me. There is a reason he said this. Key word “no one”. That includes the fake demigods of the RCC.

      • superpilipinas

        ….what did Jesus tell Peter again?….”upon this rock I will build my Church…”

        The RCC has no physical power at all. It is only a religion and can only influence thru words. No military nor any police force. Just powerful words. Truth is very powerful. 12 years yet RH is still a bunch of paper.

      • reddfrog

        Read the Bible, peter is referred to as a stone, not a rock. But that aside, misinformation and superstition can also be powerful. Kaya nga there is such a thing as propaganda. As for the 12 years, it only means that our leaders are in thrall to the RCC. Good to know we are evolving.

    • superpilipinas

      he-he-he, if God would want to speak to us directly, indeed there is no need for a middleman!  

  • anu12345

    I’m glad I’m religion-free since childhood. Oh, I forgot some christians said theirs is not a religion. Whatever.

    So, that university is a dictatorship by itself. If it’s true that Ateneo is one of the better schools, then this is a good chance of the others to ‘snatch’ these prized instructors.

    • superpilipinas

      Ateneo does not dictate where those profs should teach. They can always teach elsewhere. But your solution is actually the best. Other universities should just snatch them, perhaps UP or PLM? 

  • agaylaya

    Malalim ang pinangagalingan ng controversy na ito at
    malawak ang epekto sa bawat Katoliko at sa Catholic Church mismo.  Ang
    ADMU ay isang Catholic university. It has to adhere to the teachings of the
    Church otherwise it has to drop the word catholic. But ADMU is also a
    university and as such it has to respect so called “academic freedom”
    without which, many believe,  it can not call itself a university. Ano
    ngayon ang mas importante sa mga administrador (mga Jesuits) ng ADMU –to be
    first and foremost a Catholic institution or a university?  Hindi lang ang
    ADMU ang nasa controversy na ito kung hindi lahat ng Catholic educational
    institutions katulad ng UST, SLU, San Beda, Adamson, USC at mga daang daang
    miembro ng Catholic Educational Association of the Philippines (CEAP). 
    This controversy in fact goes deep and to the very heart of what it means to be a Catholic. 

    • superpilipinas

      The answer to your question is … Ateneo is first and foremost a Catholic University.

  • Simon Ward

    It’s time for a real Protestant movement in this country. Excommunication should not necessarily be seen as a bad thing.

    • superpilipinas

      That’s the right way and attitude … act based on one’s true identity and beliefs.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

    Maybe it is time to bring the Philippine Catholic leadership and their actions to international attemtion. Catholic institutions in other countries are not like this. I wonder if the Vatican is even aware of this. Now they are going against freedom of expression, and the right to express ones thinking without fear of persecution. They fought for this during he time of the Soviets, now they are doing it to thir own institution? Shame! Okay sana if hindi pa nila na hire or kung theology professor lang pero regular professors? Sobra na. I am disgusted by my own churchs leadership. In Canada were I went to catholic high school they even offer daycare to young single mothers to put their children in while they study. They were never treated as immoral nor lay judgement on them. They were treated the same as anyone else. The daycare is available within school property. Here in the Philippines, pag nalaman na buntis ka, sipa ka. Is that the hallmarks of a merciful church or an arrogant and righteous one? They teach of eternal damnation and promise the poor of divine salvation rather than teach good living and morals. Shame.

    • superpilipinas

      The Vatican is very much aware. The Catholic Church in the Philippines is already doing so well that the Vatican has so much confidence and does not need to be concerned.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

        Doing so well for the wrong reasons. If this happened to a country with a more educated population, the church would lose followers to other Christian churches who are significantly better in bringing Jesus Christ into their lives.

      • superpilipinas

        Are they?….rate of divorce…number of same-sex marriage….number of abortions at will….incest…..step moms/dads killing their kids…..infertility due to contraceptives…those what you call better and right reasons?

      • Michael Paras

        Significantly lower numbers of desperately poor and low income families. Better health care, education, social services (due to bigger budget from taxes). Fewer hungry people etc etc.

  • http://twitter.com/AmosHuntFrancia Amos daHunt Francia

    REVOLUTION!!! WE MUST STAND UP AND DESTROY THIS CANCER OF CANCERS THAT IS THE MEDIEVAL CHURCH! BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO BE!!

    • superpilipinas

      Yes… destroy the MEDIEVAL CHURCH….

      oh by the way…it’s already destroyed and gone.

  • archerfan

    ONE BIG FIGHT!!!  ONE BIG FIGHT!!! LOL 

  • superpilipinas

    They can only be sacked. They don’t have to be excommunicated. He-he-he. They have already excommunicated themselves. Some are not even Catholics so it doesn’t apply..

    • Michael Paras

      Just the same, it would be better if the church would announce to the public that if you support the bill, then you have excommunicated yourselves from the faith. This would be infinitely better so we will all know where we stand right now.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Tama ca dian.

  • http://twitter.com/verolee96 Vero Lee

    SORRY, MISS BISHOP, BUT YOUR FACULTY MEMBERS ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU!

    AS IF THEY WILL DIE FROM “EXCOMMUNICATION” OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED.

    • cato_the_younger

      I have always thought that God is the ultimate arbiter of one’s soul. Gee, I can’t quite fathom that in this age and day, such medieval constructs such as heresy are still in place. What’s next bishops? Would it be the re-imposition of te inquisition?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Dude, whether we all like it or not, the Catholic Church as an institution has its own set of rules, laws, regulations, guidelines, etc. ADMU is a Catholic University. Some provisions in the RH Bill are against Catholic teachings (regarding the sanctity of life). Now comes these ADMU professors, working for a Catholic University, declaring their all-out support for a bill which the Catholic Church has been against with for years. I hope this finally sinks in.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UEHZP52OVNUUPVT3VJNWPUGVLU Peter L

    Purpose

    “Catholic schools are distinct from their public school
    counterparts in focusing on the development of individuals as practitioners of
    the Catholic faith. The leaders, teachers and students are required to focus on
    four fundamental rules initiated by the Church and school. This includes the
    Catholic identity of the school, education in regards to life and faith,
    celebration of life and faith, and action and social justice.” [4] (courtesy of Wikipedia)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SPK6GHGPNPV2Q5VXQWY5BYKN4Q Kevin

      So how does sacking Non theology professors for their personal beliefs or kicking out pregnant teens and denying them of good edication considered as celebration of good faith action and social justice? If Catholic Institutions in other countries get this then why is it that thePhilippine Catholic schools dont? Ill tell you why, it is because the people here dont stand up easily for their beliefs and rights as a human being. This is like the case of throwing the first stone. Shame.

      • remyr

        In the US, what you said is not the case.  Catholic schools are bound to do what the Church teachings says. The birth control options you have is, don’t do it. Even hospitals associated with the Catholic church cannot perform birth control operations unless in emergency – life threatening.  You have to go to a different hospital for this.  I have a friend who after delivering twins wanted her tubes tied when she gave birth, but she had to wait until she was healed and then schedule one in a county hospital.

    • remyr

      I agree with you.  They may be private schools, but they are run by the religious orders of the Catholic Church and hence must adhere to the teachings (rules and laws) of the Church. They cannot bend or oppose it.  This is a major reason why Protestantism emerged, because Martin Luther criticized and opposed the church’s practice.  Sabi nga ng CBP, if they cannot live with the Church teachings, they leave the institution.  They can voice out their opinions or teach what ever they want, but not while under the blanket of the Church.  Hard to accept, but totoo.  If we look at it in another way, law is law, rule is rule, these were created for us to follow.  This doesn’t just happen in our country but in other countries too.  In the US, mas strict pa sila and mas matindi ang rules.  Even hospitals run by Catholic Church, you cannot do any birth control operations (unless, medical emergency or life is at stake), doctors cannot recommend any birth control options.  Right now, a similar RH bill in the US, where in employers are asked to include birth control options in medical insurances, etc. is also opposed and people rally in congress about this.  Yes, marami man ang tumutunggali dito, pero ito ang turo ng Simbahan at kailangan nilang itaguyod ito kahit batikusin man sila.  The Saints where persecuted during their times because of their beliefs and because they insist in following God’s teachings, ganoon din ang Simbahan.

    • tadasolo

      Does this mean if I am a professor and used a condom or contraception I violated the church teachings and I should be “FIRED”? 

      Does this mean if I am a professor and committed mortal sin by engaging in sex without marriage and I should be “FIRED”?

      Does this mean if I am a professor and committed mortal sin by having an affair outside of marriage and I should be FIRED?

      Does this mean if I get separated from my wife who I married with the church and now I am sleeping with another woman without VATICAN permission and I should be “FIRED”?

      Does this mean if I am critical of the Church from ROME and profess faith in other religion while remaining catholic and I should be “FIRED”

    • Noel

       But not all students of Catholic schools are Catholics.

  • gyvv

    … may pasimuno nyan, ung aswang na naninindak ng mga mahihirap na trapik opiser …

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    Anti-catholic, if you say so.

    But I do not believe it is Anti-God, if it means at least doing something progressive to try and help the people live out healthier lives.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      But it is anti-God, for it prevents the creation of life as a poor excuse to mitigate the myth of overpopulation. Preventing life is anti-God, for God never prevented the creation of life in the first place.

      • MillieMorales

        Please tell us more how you don’t masturbate since it is the act of “killing” unborn children. 

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Wow, you’re so in to my sexual privacy, haha! Sorry, I’m married.

      • MillieMorales

        Sorry, I don’t go for men with large egos and small packages.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Uh, you had it reversed accidentally, dear. I have a small ego, but I’m carrying quite a large package. ;-)

      • MillieMorales

         Ahh. the delusion continues.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Your infatuation for me continues, LOL! Off topic: your FB pics are so hot. You are so stylish. A beach goddess thou art. You should be a print model. =)

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Ahh, the Pepe obsession continues.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bono.diaz Bono Diaz

        Abstinence too is a form of prevention, does that make me an anti christ now?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Don’t worry; there is no sexual act in abstinence. Thus you are not perverting the sacred rite of procreation.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        The Church always use the “go forth and multiply” from Genesis and claims that it’s a commandment from above to defend their stand against the RHBill. For not following what they preach, the leaders of the church are perverting the sacred rite of procreation.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        You are obviously an outsider. The church does not ALWAYS use that verse against the RH Bill. One piece of friendly advice: try to understand before you hate.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        The church “does not ‘ALWAYS’ use”. OK, thanks.

        next.

        To question is to hate? hmmmmm…

        btw.

        Have you read the RHBill, Anong part ng bill ang ayaw mo?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “The church “does not ‘ALWAYS’ use”. OK, thanks.”You are very much welcome.

        “To question is to hate? hmmmmm…”
        Dude, I wasn’t born yesterday. You are not asking questions simply because you want to receive an answer. Your “questions” are obviously laced with anti-Church sentiments. Don’t pretend that they aren’t.

        “Have you read the RHBill, Anong part ng bill ang ayaw mo?”Yes, I downloaded two PDF versions of it a couple of months back. Yung mga punto dun na tinitira ng Iglesia Católica, dun din acó, eh. Medio mahaba pag inisá-isá dito. =)

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        LOL.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        But it is not killing anything. Life that has been created is not ended. The sperm and the egg don’t even meet. So where in bible was it stated not to use a device to block the sperm and the egg from meeting. All I know is the commandment Thou Shall Not Kill. Please enlighten me if I missed out a Thou Shall Not Prevent the Sperm and The Egg from Meeting commandment or the like. And I may proceed to ponder on it and make an educated decision.
        Sexual urges is human, its natural. Its something I don’t expect the priests to understand, but I think some of them might actually do. ;)

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Indeed, it is not killing anything. But it is preventing something natural that is bound to happen in the first place. And I don’t see any connection with the 10 commandments. Besides, those commandments are for the Jews, not for Christians.

        Sexual urge is a human thing, no doubt about that. But what we have to teach couples are the consequences of their actions. I love eating chocolates everyday (and instant noodles!), and I want to eat them everyday for the rest of my life if possible. It’s an urge that is difficult for me to resist, to be honest with you. But then, I have to think of the health consequences if I continue doing so.

    • Noel

       Agree.  People or RH supporters are not anti-Catholics per se but against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

  • Tnosce

    Time for a Reality Check.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    “Centuries ago,…” – the man said.

    He was simply asking for an opinion based on historical data regarding the doings of the Catholic Church. And yet you smack him in the face for even asking.

    • reddfrog

      He asked? How dare he!!!

    • Noel

       Centuries and even decades ago, if you criticize the Catholic Church you get arrested and even killed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

      This was supposed to be a reply to a comment haha. I dunno how this became a solo thread. :)))

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    “twist things just to suit your purpose”

    That sounds remarkably like what the CBCP is doing nowadays isn’t it? :)

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      No.

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    VIVA ROMA CATOLICA!!!

    Shame…………

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Shame indeed. Because the correct way to say it is ¡VIVA LA CATÓLICA ROMANA!

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        and I don’t even have inverted exclamation point on my keyboard.

        Shame…….

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Inverted exclamation points are not really included in keyboards. You just have to hold Alt then press 0161 at a time. Stuff that you don’t know, then you attempt to ridicule using a language that you don’t know either. Triple the shame.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        Que Horror! Que barbaridad!

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        In formal writing, it’s written this way…

        ¡Qué horror! ¡Qué barbaridad!
        OFF TOPIC: I encourage you to learn the Spanish language. It’s easier than English, not to mention the fact that it is a Filipino language. =)

      • http://www.facebook.com/rfdelrosario Ross Flores Del Rosario

         I know you could also do that by holding Alt and then pressing the numbers 173. Yeah ¡¡¡

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        ¡Uy, salamat! ¡Muqháng más madalí yán! =)

  • filndc

    Legislators pass the RH bill now.   It is the right thing to do for poor families who can’t afford access to family planning.  Do not let the Catholic bishops dissuade you othewise.  They have no business meddling with governmental affairs to begin with.   They can do whatever they want to do with their schools, although indignantly repulsive, such as resorting  to threats of excommunication and applying coercive tactics to get people in their employ to get in line with their views.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZYL65T5BZ6Z3LQYLXUD3VJL6U Snoopy S

    Wow..they cant even voice their opinion…wow…!..if i was the government…tax the church and theyll shut up!

    • Anqui

      DO IT!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    May I inquire for an opinion about what happened to Galileo Galilei?

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      He’s on his way to Sainthood, right after Copernicus. Pinapalamig lang yung issue ng heliocentric. Speaking of heliocentric, I wonder how many catholic schools in the world ang nag mass layoff ng science teachers who supported the theory.

  • joerizal

    This has got to be the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. Turning against your own is a sign of severe paranoia. No different than the purges committed by Pol Pot, Mao Zedung and Stalin against their own people. When religion is used to persecute and to keep people in line, all it does is to create more chaos that leads to total anarchy – or even secession. A Church that does not feel the wind of change will certainly be unbending. It will be deaf to the voice of its flock and stamp out anything that reeks of liberalism. At this point it can no longer be considered a Church, but a mindless and heartless thug.

  • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

     @ INC members, ibabalik ko lang lohika nyo…pwede bang ituro ng isang guro sa New Era University ang pagkain ng dugo? Sagot!

    • Noel

      Hindi ako member pero common sense na lang na pati kung anong kakainin ay ituturo pa ng mga guro sa New Era.  Unang-una, hindi lahat ng guro at estudyante doon ay members.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Ang di pagkain ng dugo ay dokrina ng INC..hindi lang siya usapin ng pagkain

      • Noel

        Bakit itinuturo ba ng mga guro sa New Era na huwag kumain ng dinuguan?  Gaya ng sinabi ko, hindi lahat ng mga estudyante doon ay kaanib.  Doon nag-aral ang pinsan ko na isang Protestante.  Si QC Mayor Bistek ay doon din nag-aral pero Katoliko siya.  What’s your point?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Kita mo na. Bumalandra ang argumento nyo pag ginagamit ang sariling lohika nyo. Kaya nga ako nagtatanong eh. pwede ba yung ituro? oo o hindi? bakit?

      • Noel

        Para sa akin ay hindi dapat ituro dahil hindi lahat ng mga estudyante ay naniniwala diyan.  Dapat ay igalang ang pananampalataya at paniniwala ng isang tao.  Ang pagturo sa mga aral ng Diyos ay may dapat na lugar upang gawin.  Ito’y sa pag-aaral sa pamamagitan ng bible study o ano many pagtitipon tungkol sa relihiyon.  Ngayon sa mga Catholic schools na hindi naman lahat na nag-aaral doon ay puro Katoliko, bakit tatakutin ng mga Obispo ang schools, guro at mga estudyante?

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      INC and RC are two sides of the same coin.

      Btw:

      RHBILL is about “Reproductive Health”, And when you speak of “blood” on “reproductive” issues, bakit mo naman naisip na pagkain yun, ewwww…

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Lucky, minsan gamitin ang common sense mo..di ba binanggit ko kung “ibabalik ko lohika nyo.” Eh kung gusto mo kainin yung blood on reproductive issues eh nasa sa iyo yan.

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        “ibabalik ko lohika nyo.”

        Sorry, I don’t see commonsense in that logic. you’re too smart for me. Try your suggestion on DECS

  • filipinaskoh

    Before the Catholic Church always use the “excommunication” to threaten anyone who goes against their doctrines.They Threatened Lagman and Aquino regarding the RHbill.

    Are they afraid in using the “excommunication” because it is no longer working and will no longer work? The fact that majority of the Filipinos are Catholics but we are no longer in the Spanish era. How many Catholics who attended Church every Sunday  that uses contraceptives? Gynecologist ALWAYS advised and prescribes different contraceptives to women who wants to plan their Family, unfortunately only the poor who cannot afford both the contraceptives and the doctor- unfortunately too, they are the one who seldom or not all attend Church Mass.

    So now they uses the “sacked” to threaten? Are they forgetting we have LABOR laws, you cannot simply sack anyone because of religious doctrines!

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Sorry, bawat manggagawa ay may pinirmahan sila na mga alituntunin, right? 

      • Tommy_Bahama

        government officials’ responsibility is to do what’s best for the people not your church.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Secular, yes. Pero, spiritual NO. Tingan mo China kahit hinaharang ng mga komunista eh may umiiral pa ring underground religions..di mo masusupil ang pagtawag ng bawat tao sa Dakilang Lumikha  

      • walangbolahan

        tagapagsalita ka ba ng ateneo?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Bakit di mo masagot kung may pinirmahan? Ako ordinaryong mangagawa kaya alam ko na may pinipirmahan.Wag na po kasing daanin sa bolahan. Take responsibility in action that you execute.ganun lang yun kasimple..

      • walangbolahan

        e ano kung me pinirmahan? me narinig ka bang sinita sila ng ateneo? ikaw yata sumisita sa kanila para sa ateneo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        sinisita na nga e puro naman pambobola ginagawa mo eh…

      • walangbolahan

        empleyado sila ng ateneo, hindi ng mga obispo. akala ko ba alam mo? me di pa pirma pirma ka pa daw.

    • Michael Paras

      If they start excommunicating proponents of the bill and everyone who support it, their source of income will run dry.

    • Noel

       If they really start excommunication, no Catholic shall be left in the church.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Meron. Ang mawawala ay yung mga pasaway.

      • Noel

        Kaso karamihan ay pasaway.  Sino ba ang naghihiwalay sa pag-aasawa?  Sino ba ang nag-aabortion?  Sino ba ang nagsugugal?  Sino ba ang nagtutulak ng droga?  Sino ba ang kumokotong?  Sino ba ang nag-aaway at nagpapatayan?  Di ba karamihan mga Katoliko?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Noel, nasaan ang estatistika mo? Ipost mo ng masuri natin….Noel, ang Simbahan ay tinatag ni Kristo upang tawagin ang lahat ng masasama para sa pagbabago..Di ba sabi ni Hesus kailangan ng mga maysakit ang doktor at hindi yung magagaling na?….Nasa sa tao na, sa biyaya ng Dios, ang pagbabago..Noel, lahat ba sa iyo mabuti?

      • Noel

        Kung tunay na doctor.  Eh kung pekeng doctor at walang karapatan manggamot?  Isa pa, paano gagabayin ang isang bulag ng isa pang bulag?

    • walangbolahan

      it’s not even about religion. it’s about women’s reproductive rights. it’s only the church that’s making it a religious issue.

  • tadasolo

    The church is resorting to a modern day “INQUISITION” to silence its detractors. This goes against the principle of making the Universities and Colleges as the last bastion to debate all kinds of opinion and ideas devoid of threat. It is high time that the Filipino people rise up to challenge the bishops and introduced a law to protect the integrity of colleges. These professors are not directly lecturing their students of the RH Bill, they are expressing their belief in the importance of the RH bill in our nations progress and helping our poor brethren. 

    The church is taking a scorch earth and uncompromising position on the RH Bill with offering any real actual solution to the problem. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      “These professors are not directly lecturing their students of the RH Bill, they are expressing their belief in the importance of the RH bill in our nations progress and helping our poor brethren.” —–> Then wag nilang gamitin ang pangalan ng Ateneo, simple lang naman yun..kahit sila magsisisigaw dahil karapatan nila yun pero please wag nilang i-drag ang pangalan ng Ateneo

      • walangbolahan

        i don’t hear ateneo objecting to the teachers. don’t speak for ateneo if you’re not the official spokesman.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        O kala ko ba pinangangalandakan mo demokrasya? bakit mo ako pinagbabawalan? Double standard 

      • walangbolahan

        haha. o di sige kung gusto mag over acting ateneo spokesman then go ahead. teka, alam ba ng ateneo na ikaw tagapagsalita nila?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Sinabi ko ba? Ikaw kung gusto mo pero di mo ako masusupil magsalita ;)..

      • walangbolahan

        haha, so feeling ateneo spokesman ka lang pala. sige lang kung diyan ka masaya.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Ok lang naman manggaling sa iyo yan..sino ba maniniwala sa iyo eh puro lang  buladas ginagawa mo…so at least di mo matutulan na kahit sila magsisisigaw ay ok lang dahil karapatan nila yun pero wag hilahin ang pangalan ng Ateneo. 

      • walangbolahan

        e kung ikaw nga puede magsalita  para sa ateneo bakit sila hindi?

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    “Recently, Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, the current CBCP president,
    warned Catholic schools and teachers to toe the line or end up in hot
    water.”

    SPIRITUAL HOSTAGE TAKERS.

    Mga manghuhula nalang and ang mga naniniwala sa mga anting-anting ang nagrerespeto sa mga leaders ng organisasyon na ito..

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Name-calling

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        Good suggestion!

        Mga “DAMASO!”

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Yan lang kaya mo?.. Pano naman si Padre Florentino?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

     made my night bro haha

  • arthur1401

    Shame!!! Shame!!! Shame… on you bishops. You’re so desperate, you are acting like the Talibans and Abu sayyaf combined and will chop the heads of people you think are going against you.

    As the present catholic taliban, you are worst than than padre damaso of yesteryears.
    The more you act irrationally, the more people are turning against the church.

    Bishops, your threat is no longer christian. It is despotic.what is your next threat? that those RH supporters be cursed forever? You’re like a de vil in white robes!!!

    BTW bishops, why are you not issuing any statement, or offering mass to show that you care to the family of robredo, one of the most respected, and most admired cabinet member for being honest, hardworking and clean. Is it because he is Pro-RH too like pnoy?

    Or did I hear you whisper to atty lyn robredo ears with impish smiles on your face -BUTI NGA!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Hanggang name calling na lang ba? Taliban ka ng taliban..doon ka sa Sulu sumigaw nyan..Nga pala magbasa po kayo ng dyaryo at maraming inaaalay na dasal ng several parokya para kay Sec. Robredo…magbasa ho kasi kayo..Mas nakakahiya ho yung nambibintang na di napapangatawanan

      • Noel

         Ano man dasal ay hindi ka nakakasiguro na pakikinggan at tatanggapin ng Diyos lalo na ang kaharap mo ay rebulto at diyos-diyosan.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Saan ka ba nakaharap pag nagdarasal?

      • Noel

        Nakapikit ako di tulad ng mga iba na dilat na dilat at kung saan saan nakatingin.  At kung mag-pray ako ay hindi paulit-ulit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        di kita tinatanong kung nakapikit, nakadilat o paulit-ulit..ang tanong ko saan ka nakaharap? pag nakapikit kang nagdarasal ano sumasagi sa isipan mo?

      • Noel

        Kadalasan ay nasa silid ako na tahimik kung mag-pray.  Hindi ako nakaharap sa ano man larawan ng Santo, rebulto, Sto. Nino o kung ano man gawa sa kahoy o bakal ng tao.  Iyan kasi ang utos ng Diyos.  Hindi ako lumuluhod sa Dios-dioyasan.  Kapag nakapikit ako, ang ugnayan ko ay sa Diyos na isang Ispiritu.  Sa Kanya ang nagpre-pray.  Ikaw naman ang matanong ko?  Paano mo ginagawa?

      • arthur1401

        Please don’t use the name of the Lord as user. That’s heresy.
        Ang sabi ko bishops, hindi parishes. gusto kong marinig sa mga taliban na ito na they care even for the enemy.
        Ano ang tawag mo doon sa ginagawa ng mga bishops ngayon? di ba Talibanic? Like executing those who against them in public in afganistan not too ag

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Talata muna namasamang gamitin ang katagang “salita ng Dios”… sige go!..Yung parishes ay part ng dioceses na governed ng bishops..talaga nga naman

  • farmerpo

     ‘sacked—not excommunicated—if found guilty.’ @@$#??? Neither here nor there??? Can’t even make up your mind Bishops!!  Do what you must to test the water, jump !

    • Noel

       The Bishops and Priests only know how to suck…not sack. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XNBUUMFGHLCZQMA2UV7YPTKKX4 Margie

    I think these professors should stand on their belief and leave the Catholic church and Ateneo. These Catholic bishops are unreasonable and only think of their welfare and not the well being of the squatters. Besides with their qualifications there a lots of other schools that will take them and they can also join the Born Again church or the Baptist church.

    • Noel

       That’s the reason why it’s now very easy to convert Catholics to other religious groups like INC, ADD, JIL.  Catholics themselves leave the church in disgust.

  • PurpleDaisy13

    Wow. What happened to democracy? I guess the Church leaders in Phils don’t care about the rights, freedoms, and privileges of people living in a democratic nation.  Sounds like communism.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Q63DUTCNJJKCYNURT4A4C6QZJM marco

      isa na naman mangmang…marami na kau

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XNBUUMFGHLCZQMA2UV7YPTKKX4 Margie

      Wow! You’re also here. I think in communist China, they installed their own bishops not like the Philippines appointed by Vatican that is why they approved of forced one child policy not like what were fighting here where in RH bill, use of contraceptives is voluntary, that is democracy.

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      It’s worse than communism but the church goers DGAF anymore, and that’s mature democracy. what’s on your menu today, purple? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Lucky, tanong lang, kaya mo bang gawin kahit ano sa kumpanyang pinapasukan mo?

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        verbo, isang tanong lang, gagawin mo ba ang lahat ng iuutos sa iyo ng kumpanyang pinapasukan mo?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDMUJ6NKKCLWRMVMJRLJFI633I Rene V

       tell that to the patriotic church of your china

    • frudo

      catholic church lang naman ang ganyan hindi nman lahat ng Churches sa Pinas ay ganyan, at buti nalang hindi ako katoliko

  • gatdila

    Padre Damaso lives again!

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Pano naman si Padre Florentino?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C2YIYXN6BG7FE4CXLIXBBDXA2I Yer

    DON’T FEAR EX-COMMUNICATION AND LEARN FROM THE AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT!  There is this FEAR-MONGERING thrown by the CBCP of being ex-communicated or simply disparaged (equal to be cursed) by the Catholic heirarchy.  Don’t my fellow compatriots!  Take inspiration from the Europeans: the British or the French or the German and more recently the Irish catholics.  The majority of the Europeans have no formal religious affiliations even if some of them class themselves as Christians, the others as simply humanists (believing in the human ability rather than superstition), and aetheists plus some pagans as well as agnostics.  However, I have seen them being happy and contented with their lives.  To most people here, not many knows the idea of prayers and yet they live with kindness, consideration, honesty, and integrity in their lives.  Most Church goers here are of ethnic minority or very old people.  The young ones who see each other as equals (where discrimination against race or sexual orientation is not something they are familiar with being brough up to respect everyone and not judge on face value) are not knowledgeable of religious beliefs apart from learning it from their citizenship or history classes as a matter of fact rather than a lifestyle option.  Most importantly, the government protects people’s welfare (jobseekers allowance, housing benefits, clothing and heating allowance, pensions, vehicle welfare and mobility allowance for the disabled or for those jobless parents with no means of transport or if they have a disabled child, educational help allowance, etc), and also ensures that everybody has an equal access to opportunity including jobs and access to education, and equal access to justice or police protection, etc.  In truth, it is a religious-free society in as much as the eyes of the government and private institutions (businesses, charity, etc) save some religious schools who are required not to interefere in academic freedom and teaching science as we know it BUT it is a fairer society where individual right of expression and decision making takes precedence over an non-secular lifestyle prescription.  WE SHOULD NOT FORGET, the AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT (age of science and human progress through knowledge) has been so-called to signify the emancipation of the entire world from the grip of the ROMAN CATHOLIC PAPAL RULE over ALL THE SOVEREIGN RULERS OF EUROPE.  When it happened, the old world flourished, slavery stopped, major wars (except the WWII) lessened, and it ushered to our age of information.  SO DON’T FEAR. It is not our lives that are in danger of extinction but the grip of the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines.   

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6K2F3JO2ZWNULVFQ3YZD7EHU2Y Robert Delamor

    Dahil siguro humihina na ang kanyang negosyo
    Hindi mapagtuunan ng galit ni ArchiBisto ang Gobyerno
    Kaya ibinaling na lang sa mga taga Ateneo!

    H’wag mong sirain ang pag aaral ng kabataan.
    Magsama kayo ni Pope “The Scandal” sa Vatican,
    ArchiBisto kana! lumalabas na ang ugali mong MAFIA!

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/Q63DUTCNJJKCYNURT4A4C6QZJM marco

      hindi ka naman bastos sa palagay mo? sa tingin ko kulang ka sa pangaral or sadayng may kabastusan at kabarbaridad mo?

      malinaw sa sinasabi ng pari na hindi nya pinakikialaman ang pag aaral ng kabataan……marunong ka bang magbasa at umintindi o sadyang bobo ka?

      • boyod

        tama ka nga, hindi pinakikialaman ng mga pari ang pagaaral ng mga studyante sa ateneo, to be exact, pero paano sila makapagaaral kung tinatalsik na ang mga guro, aber ikaw ang papalit? papaano na yan, sino ang bobo ngayon? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Ang daming pwedeng pumalit magturo. Wala silang  monoploly ng MAs,/MSs at PhDs dito sa Pilipinas…However, mas mahalaga pa rin magkaroon ng dialogo.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Student’s are affected by their teacher’s
        If teachers get fired, the students get affected.

        Simple

        Church wants teachers fired. 
        Dialogues can’t exist if teachers are fired.

        Simple

        State wants new law/bill
        Church is separated from State
        Church should not meddle

        Simple

  • w33k3nd3r

    I pray in my room. I pray alone. Faith is a personal thing. I was baptized Catholic but it is no longer necessary for me to be affiliated with soci0paths like these. I do not want to be part of an order that is led by people whose faces I’d rather sit on and f@rt at. Please, CBCP, be of better service by informing the public on how to leave your twisted order.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1120317048 JJ Yacapin

      I finally found someone who thinks and believes as I do.

      • w33k3nd3r

        Thanks. So are we going to exchange rings, or something?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    Ateneo is not owned by the Catholic Church. It is run by the Society of Jesus.

    • boy inodoro

      Isn’t it Jesuits is a Catholic congregation? I didn’t see “under new management” sign yet.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        The Society of Jesus isn’t exactly buddy buddy with the Catholic Church as history describes. But its true that it pledges its allegiance to it.

        Apologies to any misinterpretation caused, as the original statement was supposedly a reply to another comment here. For reasons I cannot fathom, my comment was posted as one exclusive from the thread I targeted.

      • boyod

        yung Society of Jesus is just one of branch of service of the Catholic Forces katulad sa AFP may Army, Navy at Airforce. Marami yan sila katulad ng MSC, etc .At may ala-Cafgu pa rin  sila katulad ng GKK at ibpa. Mayron din pang sila ala-WAC katulad ng Catholic Women’s League, etc.

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      FYI please. The Society of Jesus is a congregation of the Catholic Church.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Still the argument stands. The catholic church does not own it, nor does it have authority over it.

        Influence, maybe.

  • Michael Paras

    While the bishops are at it, why don’t they also expel students who are proRH?

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      Madaling palayasin yung “expenses”, Mahirap humanap ng “Income”..

      ooooooops, sorry. Watching too much “Family Guy”.

      • Michael Paras

        Hahaha! Exactly the answer I was looking for.

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Ginawa ba ng mga students yung ginawa ng Ateneo professors? Did they issue a collective statement?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        so if they did, would they exco the students as well?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        exco ba yung sinasabi doon sa employees? pakibasa nga doon sa article

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        oh c’mon. everyone knows thats what the church wanted to do, theyre just hesitant to use the word after drawing a lot of public flak (which the last thing they want) the last time they did. 

        fine, i was just asking for your “enlightenment” anyway. so, what are they (CBCP) going to do to students who publicly declare their support of the bill?

        btw. i havent made my final stand yet, so this might be an opportune time to share what you think, know, feel.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        it says sacked in the article, then I believe the student-version of sacked is expelled.

        so would they expel if the student body did issue a collective statement?

      • Michael Paras

        Heresy 
        1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system. 2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine. 3. Roman Catholic Church . the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church. 4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.

        Yung issue dito kung bakit sila papatalsikin ay accusations of heresy. Looking back at the definition of heresy (of which I’ve already provided for your convenience), if you’re proRH you’re definitely a heretic. ProRH students should also be declared heretics. Doesn’t matter if you issue statements or whatnot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HIRIW4OWEIHTILXO4IPYMKLOHE eric

    that   putang  catolik  church,,,,,a  curse  to  phillpines.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HIRIW4OWEIHTILXO4IPYMKLOHE eric

      burn  all  churchessssssssssssss

      • MarmadukeFriend

        Wag naman. :| Everyone’s just voicing out what they believe is right for the country — or so I hope.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Eric, arson yan

      • frudo

        yan ang nagiging resulta ng sobrang pakikialam ng catholic church sa Gobyerno, marami tuloy na nagagalit sa catholic church at nadadamay ang lahat ng Churches sa buong Pilipinas, sa imbes dalhin ang mga tao sa mabuti ayun galit ang binubunga..

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Salita mo pa lang ay isang kasumpa-sumpa na..

      • johndcross1

        that is your belief!

  • Anqui

    Bishop Medroso, you can have your Catholic Church with your Corrupt friends in government. You and your Friends in the cloak are the Devil in DISGUISE!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Ano po ba full name mo?

      • Jairus Aragon

        Ikaw, sagutin mo ang sarili mong tanong. Ano ang full name mo!

    • johndcross1

      Amen to that!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HIRIW4OWEIHTILXO4IPYMKLOHE eric

    wat  an  idiot   church……………   no  wonder in  europe   wer   smart  people  live,,,,,  churches  empty……………………   very  good

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

      you are evidently THE IDIOT, you cant even spell.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1120317048 JJ Yacapin

      It’s not that Europe has no religion (as I understand your awfully constructed comment), but that they are free to choose any which religion, or the absence of it, and not be criticized by society.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HIRIW4OWEIHTILXO4IPYMKLOHE eric

    idiots   god  is   a   delusionnnnnnnnnnnn. no  such thing   as    god   man  made  it  up.  wer  on our own  ………………….

    • guest1500

      You are out of topic, but since you put it you must be one of those who believe that you came from monkey and your prophet is Darwin. Until now monkeys are still monkeys and apes are still apes that is why your belief has no basis.

      • Greg

        You probably do not know what evolution is all about. No scientist ever said we came from a monkey. What scientists say is that a monkey and a human being have a common ancestor. That’s the problem with many religious zealots back home….they have no idea what exactly evolution is all about because they probably learned it from people who did not teach it objectively or it was not taught at all OR you are just plain ignorant of evolution.

        You probably believe too that man and the dinosaurs co-existed in time and that the dinosaurs died but man survived because that was part of god’s will. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1120317048 JJ Yacapin

        Personally, I believe in God and creationism, but I have to hand it to you, that is 1 strong argument, and the winning argument in my opinion.

      • guest1500

        And you believe we all come from a single cell. I think you must have so much faith in these so called scientist when they can’t even prove it in a laboratory.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    but Ateneo is also a Jesuit University.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

    14 years ago, I’m sure Google did not exist yet as we know it. So people are more knowledgeable now.

  • aramco92

    bishop mendroso stop acting that your a saint at wlang bahid ng kasalanan,ask lng po do u know how to create family values? i think not..in a first place wala ka namang family kasi wla kang asawa at anak paano mo sasabihin sa pamilyang pilipino kung ano ang mali at tama sa paglaki ng pamilya…

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Para mo na ring sinabi na dahil di ka pa nakakarating sa buwan ay walang buwan..what a  logic!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        what about your logic? LOL

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        is that the only reply you can give?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        so what if is? have a hard time answering?

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        no substance kasi reply mo…asan verse mo? 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        well you clearly tagged the other guy for his logic on the matter, and so i cant ask about yours? 

        wow, and you really are a great judge of substance yourself.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        comically tagged, thus the “LOL” fyi

      • johndcross1

        Your premise is flatly wrong!

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Of course, because I followed your way of thinking. Now you realize that your premise too is wrong.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Those who have & bear children should be more entitled to speak about it. I remember the members of the clergy shouldn’t have children thus will barely truly know the hardships of raising a child.

        It’s like asking a man to understand what a woman feels when giving birth.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICN7LIKCBWAVSXUYPHKO3QDM64 bam

        exactly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LHL3PKPQ6KABWITNKRJF7ULHXM maryn

    If we agree, and I do believe it to be,  that what is moral is not a matter of what the world is but how it ought to be, then we assent to the fact that the RH Bill must not go through. First, there is the point of its opposition to life. This opposition is expressed in the manner of misplacing the blame for our destitution on life when it should be our actions that should be held accountable. We do not condemn persons but only their actions.

    Second, for I am well aware there are many to whom this opinion resonates with, is the matter of the Catholic Church pushing their morality on other people. That they are the reason the Philippines isn’t improving, priests always butt in just to have it their way. Perhaps I can propose another solution that had already proved to be economically advantageous before so that the Philippines might improve quickly. It is slavery in the form of black people and comes with a whip in the event that the slave driver is not satisfied with the slave’s work. This may seem ridiculous now, of course. But let me tell you this, the abortionists of slavery were told to keep their morality to themselves.

    The important thing is that they didn’t. And although there is the matter of some of the abortionists actually gaining some advantages should slavery be discontinued, any rational, and, therefore, moral person would want the same end. For while slavery bring economic development to the White Americans, the harmful precedent effects outweigh by far these benefits. The same is true for the RH Bill. Precisely because the bill is merely a product of structured procrastination on our part, those who are living and responsible.

    Perhaps I can explain this better in my third point by restating the actual problem to be solved: poverty and destitution. It is not women’s rights or health problems that we are really trying to solve here for these matters are currently being pursued by other bills already. Rather than adding one more bill to this list, why not simply devote the budgets intended for this proposed bill to these existing ones? So it is poverty that has invoked the people to look for a solution. But when I think of poverty, I think it to be a matter of structural oppression. It is the evils of corruption, greed, indifference and lack of self-esteem (that we should lack the confidence and strength to be responsible for others and for ourselves) that has caused us to suffer. I never thought it to be creating life that has caused these evils.

    I have written this because the overwhelming response of criticism against the CBCP regarding the matter that this news article discuss, even more of the manner that this journalist has “reported” shocks me. As a student of one of the professors who signed on the declaration of support of the Ateneo faculty, I have experienced such bias and irresponsibility by the professor in their influence on their students, who, no matter how independent, is formed in one way or another by this professor’s opinion. I cannot imagine this professor saying, “Ah. But this is only my opinion. It doesn’t mean you have to have the same opinion as mine” have any effect at all when right after, he would say “the Ateneo’s stand is the CBCP’s stand. That’s understandable. Siyempre Catholic (with air quotes) university susundin lang nun kung ano ang stand ng CBCP.” Of course! Ateneo must simply be following CBCP like a helpless child without an opinion of its own or the ability to criticize others’ opinions. Why should we think otherwise? It could not have been very well that Ateneo thought that CBCP’s arguments were right.

    Ateneo de Manila is a Catholic university. Its employees, the moment they accepted their positions, knew they were in a position of power as instruments of the school and an even greater deal of responsibility of not stepping beyond the line. The fact that they had felt the need to express their identity as faculty of the Ateneo de Manila University in their declaration demonstrates this abuse of authority. Of course, their declaration had more sway then. But it was also misleading of their students, the Ateneo students, and the audience of the various media outlets that propagated their opinion. 

    If there ever was one who imposed their opinions on others, it these subtle teachers and not CBCP, who had every right to urge a Catholic University to make certain that its faculty do not neglect or contradict the Catholic teachings when teaching students.

    • Pork_Republik

      I have no idea whether Ateneo’s teachers and professors do sign an ‘Oath of Fidelity’ beside their standard employment contract with the school but if they did then they aught have keep their opinion regarding RH bill to themselves. 

      Part of Ateneo’s Vision-Statement statement states, “…As a Catholic University, the Ateneo de Manila seeks to form persons who, following the teachings and example of Christ, will devote their lives to the service of others and, through the promotion of justice, serve especially those who are most in need of help, the poor and the powerless. Loyal to the teachings of the Catholic Church, the University seeks to serve the Faith and to interpret its teachings to modern Philippine society.”

      ‘Loyal to the teachings of the Catholic Church’ …otherwise you have no business teaching in a Catholic school. The undersigned faculties should tender their resignation if  they don’t believe anymore at what they’re teaching in the classroom.

      Loyalty is fundamental in professionalism. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LHL3PKPQ6KABWITNKRJF7ULHXM maryn

        Well since my professor did admit to being out of line and relying on the fact that there are many of them including the legendary professors as a fallback, I do believe they knew that what they did not only went against the vision of the school they were working for but also violated the trust of the university, especially since the entire signing was kept hush hush until it was released to the media.

      • Pork_Republik

        Even though I support the RH Bill what these Ateneo teaching staff did was a betrayal to what a Catholic School or University stands for- kind of a collective Judas Iscariot stabbing its master at the back. Tsk..tsk..distasteful and not fit for an educator they should resign.

  • Leonardof

    KUDOS TO THE ATENEO PROFESSORS WHO SUPPORT THE RH BILL. They deserve to be applauded for espousing what is a vital solution to one of the problems of the Philippines. They sounded a wake up call to the  followers of the catholic church, to the fact that the church leaders are misleading them as well as demeaning them by the curtailment of their rights of expression,and their individual rights to think and make decisions..The followers of the catholic church should also demand their leaders NOT TO REFER to them as FLOCKS. Because  it is a shame to be portrayed as an unthinking animal being lead to whatever and wherever the church leaders want to.

    With respect to credibility, what is notable is that the Ateneo professors are more credible than the church leaders because the Ateneo professors pay their taxes unlike the non-paying church leaders who have no stake at all on the vital programs of the government..

    .

  • MarmadukeFriend

    I’m Catholic, and I support the RH bill. I believe that the church I belong to is composed primarily of its constituents. I will not allow a few people who hold seats of power to dictate my beliefs — especially if I’m pretty sure they’re wrong.

    Also, almost every other (progressive) country in the world would probably pass the RH bill without having second thoughts. Why lag behind? Because it’s sinful? Are we saying that the citizens of all these other countries — countries that are doing a lot better than us if I may add — are, most if not all, sinners? If your answer’s still yes, then look around you. I’m pretty sure there are more here. :(

    And if anyone argues that there are more sinners here because of supporting the RH bill, then I’ll tell him or her this: We, Catholics who support the said bill, genuinely believe that what we are doing is in accordance with God’s will. This bill will save lives. We were taught in school that life begins at the point of fertilization; so using contraceptives, for instance, doesn’t kill anything. And the abortion argument just really commits a slippery slope fallacy, so I won’t get started on that.

    Oh, and in case someone brings it up, I’m not saying that the RH bill is just all about contraceptives.

    Just some input from a Catholic who’s read the bill and probably every single RH-related article out there.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      I had read the bill over and over again, my conscience leads me to the death(s) of the human fetuses, other context and services are just icing….If you truly value Life – From “START” to End, you still vote for it?. Have you seen the making of the human being.. in all stages…. Stage one after sex – is LIFE, just because it just an apple juice to somebodys perception or just a mere fluid to you doesn’t it has no life. 

      I am thankful that when my parent conceive me, they didn’t think of me as that of “I” am just a fluid in the condom or whatever is left that the pill zapped. Nobody is pefect but mandating it like the so called progressive countries will lead to massive abortion and loss of moral values and accountability. the Definition of life has already been altered, how can we save it from making more colder or subtle that it is now.

  • MarcyPulilan

    The fear mongering times of the Catholic church has reached its end. What is Canon Law? Laws made by the church. So what is going to happen to us legally is we do not follow canon law? I think Jaywalking is a bigger crime than violating canon law. Who will punish us if we do not follow canon law, the church? Who cares if they excommunicate us (that is the best punishment they can give to anyone) , so where is the fear? If you get excommunicated, you will not go to heaven? Does anyone in this day and age think that is true? Remember if we reject the church we are not rejecting God, they are two different and distinct entities. You can still love and serve God even if you reject , leave and not believe in the Catholic church or any religion for that matter. Let us stop believing this lie and hypocrisy of the catholic church that has made our country miserable for hundreds of years. The contributions and money we donated, most of them were sent to the Vatican and outside our country. Look at this very rich religion pretending to be beggars so they can take all our money away from our country. You can still love and serve God even if you reject the Catholic church. Now if I do not get excommunicated because of this, they are not consistent.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    Pare Damaso is very much alive.

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Maybe you would like to say “Padre Florentino” is very much alive.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Maybe you would like to supply the words we say, the thoughts we think & the deeds we do.

  • Platypus09

    These professors should resign for delicadeza sakes from working in a catholic university such as ADMU. 

    I know that we have to support on bills that we think are good for our people or country, but if these are against the principles of our workplace that is strongly tied up to a religion, then you should just shut your mouth up and hoping nobody would know or just go and find some work somewhere else because they will look for your loyalty no matter what. 

    Personally, if I will have to support this bill, I will just have to keep my mouth shut since it is against something or principles of the work environment that pays me and let the Congress vote its fate. 

    That is my take on this.   

    I am a Catholic but I don’t think I will leave the Church because of what the so called “not nice priests” and other Church leaders had said or done. I think they are just doing what they are supposed to be doing whether or not I support them.

    I stay in the Catholic religion because of my strong faith in it and NOT because of what my church leaders had done.

    Your Catholic faith should be your own belief irregardless of what your church leaders had done if that is your guide in getting to eternal life.

    Don’t use these “not good” Church leaders, as you might think, as your escapegoats of your weak faith in the Catholic Church. There are still lots of excellent Catholic priests and leaders out there that you can use as your allies, friends or church guides in strengthening your Catholic faiths.

    Your faith is something you have to develop it within yourselves irregardless of who your leaders are and what they did.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

      Unfortunately, Ateneo will become a barren hull if all those professors would resign.  Several of those considered to be the “legendary” profs of Ateneo are included in the list.

      • Platypus09

        Well, they have to decide whether or not they will retract what they said or  apologize and be quiet or go somewhere else. 

        If it is going to be a barren hull, then ADMU administrators will have to deal with it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        Knowing Ateneo and Ateneans, I doubt it will be that simple. :)

      • Platypus09

        Knowing the Jesuits, they don’t mind overhauling their staff, faculty and other school administrators.

        Though they will give them some time to think about their loyalty and retract what they said (and their recite their loyalty and forgive them) before firing them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=814802102 Luigi Olivares

        You know the Jesuits? :)

      • FrostLoop

        Either that, or relinquish their so-called “title” of being a “CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY”. 

    • agaylaya

      Right on! I fully agree with your attitude and your opinions. 

  • remyr

    They may be private schools, but they are run by the religious orders of the Catholic Church and hence must adhere to the teachings (rules and laws) of the Church. They cannot bend or oppose it.  This is a major reason why Protestantism emerged, because Martin Luther criticized and opposed the church’s practice.  Sabi nga ng CBP, if they cannot live with the Church teachings, they leave the institution.  They can voice out their opinions or teach what ever they want, but not while under the blanket of the Church.  Hard to accept, but totoo.  If we look at it in another way, law is law, rule is rule, these were created for us to follow.  When we see someone in the Government Position or working in the government violating a law – we say, nasa gobyerno ka tapos ikaw pa ang lumalabag. Ganoon din sila at ganoon din ang mga tao working in a Catholic School.  In our own family unit, we set our rules, when one breaks it, they are subjected to punishment, etc.  This doesn’t just happen in our country but in other countries too.  In the US, mas strict pa sila and mas matindi ang rules.  Even hospitals run by Catholic Church, you cannot do any birth control operations (unless, medical emergency or life is at stake), doctors cannot recommend any birth control options.  Right now, a similar RH bill in the US, where in employers are asked to include birth control options in medical insurances, etc. is also opposed and people rally in congress about this.  Yes, marami man ang tumutunggali dito, pero ito ang turo ng Simbahan at kailangan nilang itaguyod ito kahit batikusin man sila.  The Saints where persecuted during their times because of their beliefs and because they insist in following God’s teachings, ganoon din ang Simbahan.
    However, the Church making a stand of the RH beyond the school, and against the State, that is the question.  They can voice their opinions, be against it, etc. but that doesn’t mean they have the right to stop it or go against the majority vote and whatever law that shall pass.  They can continue to express and voice out the teachings but it is for the people to decide what is good for them.  Here, I believe, State and Church separation.  We may be predominantly a Catholic or Christian country, but we have to respect those not sharing our own religion,beliefs and practices.  I believe the Government/State is making provisions for the good of all and not only for the selected sectors. The people have the option to choose what they want and what is best for them that the government will provide and that the Church’s followers should follow their conscience and follow their faith – what the Church said.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      FYI: Not Directed to you. Just want to add this

       Abortion, Contraception by pills, condom are already practice in the Philippines. What accomodations do we needs. Ahhhh! Gov’t money? from who…. UN, Planned Parenthood….why? not for the non-practicing ones…. this goes to the officials and families and business implementing them… let us not make a livelihood about people suffering….It all about business.  In Africa, if truly the UN is sincere about the taming suffering and over-population and death…. did it ever stop.. For every dollar Spent on RH bill – how much really it goes to feeding, curing the poor and the so-called irresponsible mothers…. penny on the dollar. May the our sincere God given wisdom and personal conscience prevail in the ballots.

  • http://www.facebook.com/romeo.camacho.16 Romeo Camacho

    What are the moral aspects of the RH Bill that we support? We believe that it is moral imperative for parents to watch over all their children and provide them with food, shelter, and clothing, as well as proper education and religious and moral training.  Hence, parents todayhave (sic) a moral obligation to plan the number of their children and keep it under control. The Bible states that a parent who does not provide for the needs of his own household is worse than an unbeliever (I Tim. 5:8). Since modern methods of contraception—by preventing married couples from having any unplanned pregnancies—assist in supporting this Christian principle, we support their use as long as these methods are empirically not abortifacient. Abortion and the use of abortifacients involve the taking of life, which God explicitly forbids (Exod. 20:13).We do not support the natural family planning method and all its variants. These so-called birth control methods depend upon abstinence on the part of the married couple when the woman is fertile but allows marital relations only when she is not. These methods are not only unnatural and ineffective but they also are immoral, since they contradict the commandment that God has given to married couples. The Bible instructs married couples not to deprive one another of intimate marital relations for long, extended periods of time; further, any abstinence at all for a married couple is supposed to be with the mutual consent of husband and wife and not for the purpose of preventing pregnancies (I Cor. 7:3-5).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003120912691 Filipinos CT

      You’re not going to address the unfair treatment that is being planned by the Catholic leaders against Ateneo professors instead? Please remember that the Philippines is a secular democratic country and not a Roman Catholic country.

      • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

        Really…. Name a Secular Country that really stripe of itself with the church principles…. none… Every country was born with a Religion and then taken advantage by the likes of… You? in the context of equality and tolerance…Philippines is not a secular state. Sadly not for long! We are the only State on Earth that has the core values of Christianity…. Europe? Gone USA? Almost gone – Atheticism has overran the society. So you think why Globally, all eyes are on us…. Becuase we are the last of its kind,

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GUZISWUMVDD5QJUC7GBJKEM7XA prangka

    Why delaying it when the Church says they have the numbers?

  • http://www.facebook.com/shockawe Jairus Aragon

    I believe that the professors have well earned their right to stay. “Delicadeza” is such an outdated & archaic practice. 

    If you support the bill and kept your mouth shut, then quite frankly you are nothing but a coward.

    • txtman

      DELICADEZA IN THE SENSE THEY SHOULD NOT USE THE NAME OF
             ATENEO FOR THEIR PERSONAL INTERESTS.

      IF THEY WANT TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS
      FINE, BUT NOT IN THE EXPENSE OF ATENEO

      MAHIRAP BANG INTINDIHIN YAN?

      MAY MGA PHD’s SILA HINDI BA?

      ANONG KLASENG FACULTIES YAN?
      THEY ARE TRYING TO SPIT THE FACE OF THE CATHOLIC
          BY USING A CATHOLIC INSTITUTION?

      TAMA MA YAN?
      YAN BA ANG GAWAIN NG ISANG MATINONG PROFESSOR?
      YAN BA ANG GAWAIN NG TUNAY NA MAY PINAGLALABAN?

      MAKES ME PUKE

      YOU SEE THESE PRO-RH PEOPLE
      ARE TRYING TO DESTROY ALL THE CHURCH INSTITUTIONS

      WHAT A SHAME!
      PITIFUL

      • Jairus Aragon

        They took a stand for what they know is right.
        This is a courageous stance since just like this article states, they might get fired for it, it was a risky stance but a stance they knew they had to take.

        What personal interest have from supporting a bill?
        They were not selfish, more so, they where SELF-LESS.

        If you had any “delicadeza” you would refrain from using all caps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shockawe Jairus Aragon

    Those who have & bear children should be more entitled to speak about it. I remember the members of the clergy shouldn’t have children thus will barely truly know the hardships of raising a child.

    It’s like asking a man to understand what a woman feels when giving birth.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Aren’t we Filipinos very lucky the catholic priest and bishops do not employ death squads?  From their desperation over this RH bill, they make it appear they are ready to employ anything just to derail it? Either this bill or the catholic hierarchy is really experiencing difficulty adjusting to the new atmosphere in Malacanang?  Time was even the obispos were invited to the palace for state dinner but look like it is a thing in the past now.

    • IsipPinoy

       Nasanay kasi mga iyan since the Spanish time na kabahagi sila sa kapangyarihan ng gobyerno kaya ganyan ngayon parang hilong talilong at mukha na silang katawatawa.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shockawe Jairus Aragon

    When did it become a punishable offence to speak out your opinion?

  • 4thINFSgt

    Wow. So what happens when an atheist multi billionaire’s kid decides to enroll at Ateneo and promises to donate a huge amount of money?  

  • johndcross1

    The catholic canon law then is no different than the islamic sharia law.  We don’t want these laws to interfer with man’s laws.  We don’t want church laws dictating what our government will adopt for the welfare of it’s people.  That is why we have separation of church and state in our constitution.  Any action by the church in violation of our constitution is illegal.  I commend strongly the actions by the students and faculty of Ateneo for standing up for their rights!  WE ARE NO LONGER IN THE ERA OF PADRE DAMASO.  Let that Bishop understand the more they will challenge the wishes and desires of the Filipino people the less adherents they will have.

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Yup but Rizal wrote about Padre Florentino 

  • http://www.facebook.com/shockawe Jairus Aragon

    I would like to know yours…

  • frudo

    sobra  ng pakialamero ang mga DAMASO sa PINAS 

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Pano naman si Padre Florentino?

      • IsipPinoy

        Padre Damaso was the personification of a typical Catholic priest during the Spanish era and Padre Florentino was just an exception. Same thing today.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    The bishops could not even convince most catholics to attend sunday mass
    regularly. the bishops are failures. Most catholics do not follow what
    they say. Most catholics go to church only an average of 15 times a year
    for KBL – kasal, binyag, libing, and fiesta, christmas, holy week.

    Catholic doctrine say it is a sin to miss the sunday mass. And this
    should be confessed. The vast majority of catholics are committing a sin
    every week just by not attending sunday mass.

    Instead of motivating catholics to attend sunday mass regularly what
    the bishops are doing is the other way around: most catholics do not
    want to hear political sermons on social issues during the mass.

    The bishops are totally missing the point. they are losing the hearts, minds, and the soul of most catholics.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LHL3PKPQ6KABWITNKRJF7ULHXM maryn

      While it is convenient to have a bishop with a dazzling sermon any person alive on earth would simply want to hear it because it so entertaining and light, what is right is not a matter of convenience. Our morality is also not a matter of what other people do but what we do. When we do not go to mass, it is not only a problem of what the bishop supposedly lack but our own self. Everyone should take initiative in making the world a better place and not only wait for others to carry us in that process with them.

    • Platypus09

      If you don’t follow the Catholic doctrine, then you know what to do. You may confess or ask for sin resolution within the mass. 

      It is always difficult to become perfect Catholics, but try to be the BEST you can be. 

      That is all what you can do. 

      Being NOT a perfect Catholic should NOT make you think that it is time to leave this religion and go somewhere else. That is so wrong because there is not such thing as perfect Catholic. 

      If you have a strong Catholic faith, then stay with it.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Dont blame your failure to adhere to the Catholic plan of Life. It is so easy to be a Church critic. Your FAITH – is a personal relationship with God. Those in the church are just people. May I remind you we are still on Earth! This is just a practice of what going to be… so keep practicing your way until the real comes, I am not so sure you’ll recognize him… Remember IHO.. practice makes perfect – memember… “we are a community of saints” strive to be saint everyday until the kingdom will come… reklamo ka lang palagi… ikaw na nga maging santo papa o obispo… kaya mo ba? Tao ka lang. But assume your role… they faithfully assuming theirs…. if you son or daughter stop assuming thier roles…. ano tawag mo dian.. Mga Irihis?

    • joaquin_salvador

      I abandoned the Catholic faith almost a decade now. Having said it, I have no regrets for I am a happy agnostic now.

      If you are a Catholic, then you are ignorant of your faith. I think it is better for you to throw it all the way. Clinging to it by being a nominal one is self-deception. You are no longer a practicing Catholic, why claim to be a Catholic? As an adult, it is your duty to know your faith. You ought to be responsible and blaming the bishops for your failure is a sign of immaturity. I always find it amusing for all Catholics here who wantonly despised the Catholic church based on misconception and/or misrepresentation of her doctrines and practices.

      For instance, you claimed that the Catholic church is teaching that failure to attend the Sunday mass is a sin. This is not a Catholic teaching. Where did you get this stupid idea? Yet you have the nerve to slap the bishops on this account.

      If you are not a Catholic, better say so in order for the Catholics here to have more patience of your ignorance. In so doing, treat you as such– an ignorant despiser of the Catholic church.

      I accompanied my cousin to the Church during the death anniversary of my father. She offered a mass intention for him and my elder sister. We stayed at the parking lot just besides the Church with a large TV monitor attached to its wall, with clear amplified sound system, for the faithful to see and participate in the activities in the altar. I learned that the Eucharist is celebrated here whole day with 30 minutes interval between masses. I also learned that in this huge church (A Cathedral designed church, almost as big as the Manila Cathedral) Sunday masses are consistently well-attended that the team of parish priests decided to install television screen to cater the needs of the parishioners. Of course, this also means decrease in quality participation. Nonetheless, it revealed the Catholics are faithful in attending the Sunday masses.

      The priest who delivered the homily prepared his homily in English, but the celebration was in local dialect. He struggled in translating his English homily to the local dialect, but he delivered his message clearly, and I think, many of us who heard his preaching were encouraged to live a good Christian life despite the challenges of the materialism and consumerism in a secular world.

  • http://coolcathlics.org/ coolcatholics

    It is hard to swallow, yes. But it is the Church that says whether you’re Catholic or not. The Church has a Canon Law, which every Catholic institution needs to adhere to. 

  • brunogiordano

    ‘“The reality is, despite the Philippines being predominantly Catholic, the majority of Filipinos want the full range of family planning services, including ‘artificial’ contraception,” they said.’

    sa CBCP at VATICAN  ‘yan ay HERESY.

    malamang sila i-dimissed sa kanilang trabaho . NO QUESTON ASKED.

    sa mga PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL CATHOLICS na naniniwala sa RH BILL. ganoon na lang ba ‘yan?????

  • Rae_E

    CBCP is self-destructing right before the nation’s eyes.  Thank God for finally liberating us & enlightening the nation from false teachers.

    When CBCP keeps on disregarding blatantly the constitution by violating the separation of church & state and the freedom to exercise our conscience then they’re bound to go down.  This is the vindication of Jose Rizal’s death. He didn’t die in vain. God bless Ateneo professors who stood for truth & conscience.

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      True, Rizal didn’t die in vain. He wrote about Padre Florentino who was the the closing character of Fili.

      • Jairus Aragon

        test

      • Jairus Aragon

        But he did DIE by the church’s influence. Just like what they are doing right now to those teachers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        Not really. The death sentence was decided by the Spanish secular court. Going back, Rizal wouldn’t write the character of Padre Florentino if he didn’t understand that good priests are MORE in number than those who err. By the very fact that he was with Simoun in the last chapter of El Fili, Rizal forcefully shattered the dreams of the detractors of the Church by placing a good holy priest at the end of his novel.  

        To have a win-win solution, I suggest that a dialogue should be held. But if these professors will still be hard-headed in their position, then there is no reason for them to stay in Ateneo being a Catholic University

      • Jairus Aragon

        He was declared subversive by the secular court even though he was pushing for social reforms through legal means (just like these teachers)

        Why is it that padre Damaso was more known than this padre Florentino you speak off? Rizal wrote it so that the filipino people would stop turning a blind eye to the truth before them. It’s a given that good priest exist, but it was unthinkable that a rotten priest existed as well.

        PS. A dialogue can’t be held if the other side has already been fired.

    • agaylaya

      It is ADMU which is self destructing. This controversy is actually splitting the university into many pieces. The Church will continue to exist even long before the Ateneo is gone.

  • boyod

    Society of Jesus pa lang yan, hindi pa natin alam ano ang stand ng ibang branch of service ng Catholic Forces. Katulad kc sila sa AFP na may Navy, Army at Air Force. Meron pa silang ala-Cafgu yung tinatawag nilang GKK, etc, at may roon pang ala-WAC katulad ng Catholic Women:s League (CWL) at ibp

    Yung pinaka ka GHQ nila ang yung tinawag nilag CBCP, di ba?

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Basis?

  • FrostLoop

    If that’s how everything would go, then by all means, EXCOMMUNICATE ME! 

  • yesyesyo

    The bishops are bluffing if they say they have the numbers in the RH debate in congress. If they do have the numbers, they should not resort to delaying tactics and misinformation. the bishops are employing psychological warfare and tactics just like any traditional politician.

    Mga damasong obispo wag kayong magmalinis wala kayong pinagkaiba sa mga pulitiko.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1120317048 JJ Yacapin

    Hmm, they want to sack the employees for not following their rules, the logic being: “my roof, my rules.” Funny how that can also be used as an argument to sack CBCP from the Philippines for not following it’s rules: “separation of church and state.”

    • Platypus09

      There is a separation of church and state. 

      That is so true if you work in government institutions or public agencies. 

      But you have to be careful if you work in private or religious insitutions because they will ask you to follow the principles or values that these places or institutions were created upon. There is a very fine line between that separation when working in private or religious institutions.

      Plus, it is different when you go to these schools as students coming from other religious backgrounds because they are not obliged to force them to attend religious services. 

      But as employees of the institution that pays you or feeds you and family, they will surely be asking you for your loyalty.

    • AnaheimCostaMesaNewportBeach

      Hmmmmm.. on the flip side was there really a separation of state and church….. wala… so bakit church and state.

      Kung walang majority practicing Catholic Filipinos but poor.. walang Republic of the Philippines… Forced by the so-intellectuals but morally bankrupt accept the RH Bill. What to end – suffering… look around the country these so Pro-RH Bill Like Principles operate…it worked… nope short term only in the lifetime of those supporters and authors….. after that…. they have no accountability – Examples…. the efforts in Africa, Population control of china and other asian countries and even here in america.. worst is europe… what is the core issues with financial problems the world has now….

  • txtman

    WON’T GO FAR IN LIFE?
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    MY WORD!
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    INENG, GAWIN MO HUMARAP KA SA SALAMIN HA
    KAUSAPIN YUNG ENTITY NA KAHARAP MO DOON

    KASI AKO, I’VE BEEN PAYING MY TAXES IN SIX DIGITS
    HOW ABOUT YOU?
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    PITIFUL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IAB3SOT4RYW7RGBBMOMULTGWSA Troy

    These faculty members should be investigated, and promptly fired.  Even in private corporations, one is expected to toe the line and share in the vision and mission of the organization, and if found to be espousing another company’s interests, s/he’d be fired automatically.

    • pedronimo

       Kaya you grew up narrow-minded,

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/IAB3SOT4RYW7RGBBMOMULTGWSA Troy

         If you are broad minded then you should see the logic in my comment. Kung nagtratrabaho ka sa isang organization tulad nitong mga prof sa Ateneo, you promote the vision and goals of your institution, dahil you are being paid there, kung ayaw mo, you should ship out. Pare, me MBA ito at malaking experiensya sa ibang bansa, na nakatulong sa maraming tao.

      • pedronimo

        “Just because you are being paid” in the Ateneo does not necessarily mean  being muzzled. I don’t know where you got your MBA but definitely not from the Ateneo because true Ateneans do not wave their diplomas, “Kung ayaw mo, you should ship out” is another impertinent argument kasi ang ayaw ng mga profs is not their Ateneo work but the CBCP work. Lastly, you better read the official position paper of the Ateneo President, Fr. Villarin, who did not even demand any resignation nor a veiled threat to his 192 teachers whom he even praised for their personal conviction. BTW, did you know that a Mormon, an INK official, or even an atheist can go from class to class promoting whatever philosophy they espouse-provided it not violence or terrorism. Kasi, the Jesuits know that’s part of an Atenean’s well-rounded education of his religion.

  • txtman

    SPEAKING OF NETIQUETTE
    YOU TELL THAT TO MOST OF THE PRO-RH

    FOR ONE, IKAW MY NETIQUETTE BA?
    EXCUSE ME,
    YOU FLATTER YOURSELF TOO MUCH

    PITIFUL

  • txtman

    SEE WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE?

    WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DEGRADE THE PEOPLE IN
         UNIFORM?

    BAKIT KAYA MO BANG IPUSTA ANG BUHAY MO PARA LANG
       SA BAYAN?

    OF COURSE NOT/

    PEOPLE LIKE YOU LIKES TO STAY IN THE COMFORT OF THEIR AIRCONDITIONED ROOMS
    AND SUDDELY THINKS THAT THEY CAN RUN AND HAVE THE MORAL AUTHORITY
    TO DECIDE FOR THE LESS FORTUNATE PEOPLE

    BY THE WAY, IM NOT A POLICEMAN.
    PITIFUL

    • 我恨中国人

       parang mali grammar ni txtman. “people like you likes”? di ko sure ha. pero mali talaga eh. bwahaha

  • txtman

    SUS, NAGSALITA ANG HARI NG RECTO UNIVERSITY.
    IF I KNOW, FAKE MGA TRASCRIPT MO TOY.
    PITIFUL

  • suburbanmother

    Funny how they are quick to investigate these supposedly erring university professors for making a stand to help the poor and the women. In the meantime, they conveniently turn a blind eye on complaints of priest accused of molesting kids and women, priests taking bribes from politicians, etc…And here they are, they have the nerve to talk about morals…

    • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

      Eh papano naman yung tumutupad sa kanilang tungkulin at namumuhay ng kalugud-lugod sa mata ng Dios? Ilang posiyento ba yang ibinintang sa kabuuan ng mabubuting pari?

      • suburbanmother

        I’m sure the professors have given it a lot of thought and came to the conclusion that standing up for the disadvantaged poor and women is tumutupad sa kanilang tungkulin bilang educators.They are willing to help  each and every family unit to reach a level of prosperity. What’s not to like, salita ng dios? In the end, we all hope to benefit from it. The government is offering a solution para sa ikabubuti ng mga mamamayan and these professors agreed to it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/salitang.dios.5 Salita Ng Dios

        thanks for the reply. medyo mahaba kasi if we are going to discuss the full text of the RH Bill at pwde nating isa-isahin..may good points sana ang bill pero may maraming defective points rin ang bill..sa madaling salita, parang ganito ang current form ng RH bill: may inihahain na pagkasarap-sarap at masustansyang pagkain pero ito’y may lason. kakainin mo ba ito kahit masarap? Kaya kinakailangan itong repasuhin ng maigi sapagkat buhay ang nakataya dito.

        Saksi ako sa pagtulong ng napakaraming Catholic charitable institutions na nakalat sa buong Pilipinas hindi lang sa disadvantaged poor and women kundi pati yung mga inabandona, matatanda, special child at mga walang wala. Punta po kayo sa Visayas at Mindanao, such as Cebu City and Davao City, napakarami po doon.. Nakaputa na po ba kayo Caritas Manila at doon sa leprosarium sa Caloocan? 

      • PaengSaAmerika

        Paki esplika nga po kung anong klaseng ‘lason’ ang nakapaloob sa masarap na pagkain kaugnay ng RH Bill? You did not specify it, please? Salamat po.

      • suburbanmother

        Come to think of it, the bill itself hopes to decrease the number of disadvantaged poor and women. Though I commend the catholic charitable institutions for making a commitment to these people, I’d rather see the numbers decrease than for the church to continue to carry the load of caring for these people. Let’s face, hindi lahat pweding tulungan ng church. This is where the problem lies. There are simply too many out there. The aim of the bill is to help as many as they can so that people won’t reach that state of desperation. PREVENTION po ang kailangan.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

        In the 16th century it was the University faculties that questioned the authority of the Pope in the entire continent of Europe. And their reply is Excommunication which NEVER WORK.

    • spearheads

      There’s nothing funny here. If I am a principled Ateneo professor who supports the RH bill, I would willingly and voluntarily resign and be excommunicated. Wala ng maraming satsat pa, end of story.

      • suburbanmother

        Just what I thought…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

        Do you still believe believe in excommunication? in this modern scientific age?

  • txtman

    WOW!
    GALING MO NAMAN
    YAN BA ANG LALABAS THIS WEEK SA HIWAGA KOMIKS?

    PANGKOMIKS KWENTO MO INENG AH

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    PITIFUL

  • Jairus Aragon

    I would like to know yours…

    • Jairus Aragon

      testing

  • Jairus Aragon

    Still the argument stands. The catholic church does not own it, nor does it have authority over it.

    Influence, maybe.

  • frudo

    dont use the word God in vain…. 

  • pedronimo

    The CBCP is not the Church and the ADMU is not the CBCP. So what are these men in white talking about? I was baptized Catholic but thank God I don’t respect the CBCP’s myopic views on morality.

  • frudo

    korek ka jan 

  • spearheads

    Di mo talaga maintindihan kung anong gusto nitong mga herudes na galit sa Simbahang Katoliko. Tingnan ninyo sila, gustong gusto nilang mabawasan ang myembro ng mga Katoliko pero galit sila pag mag-excommuniate o magsipa ng mga Ateneo Professor na ayaw sumunod sa kautusan ng simbahan. Dapat pa nga matutuwa sila. Susme, they are as confused as their leader.

  • nitesoul

    they want their opinions respected but they cannot respect others?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Will the hypocrite church burn them at the stake like they did to JOAN OF ARC?

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

    RHBILL NOW

  • Cobra

    food for thought,bakit mga bansang sinakop ng mga bansang Katoliko (Spain,Portugal,Italy,France) are all poor countries.From South America,Africa & Asia)Phils. & East Timor the only asian countries colonised by these mobs.And most popish than their original masters.NO contraception or divorce in Phils. while it legal in all including Italy where the pope is.

    • Platypus09

      Italians have no choice but to choose whatever is available to them. They have the law already and there is nothing much young Italians can do but to respect or follow them. 

      It is one’s strong Catholic faith that will tell her or him that it is not moral to use these contraceptive devices but use only that are sanctioned by Catholic church. And that is someone’s prerogative to use being a Catholic whether or not there is a law in place.  

      • Jairus Aragon

        Such a law didn’t exist in Italy before contraception or divorce was invented. 
        I’m pretty sure the church there was older than both.

        If it is a person’s prerogative to use or not to use contraceptive device, 
        then leave it to their faith & stop meddling with the creation of a new law/bill.

      • Platypus09

        I am not meddling. 

        I am just trying to explain why the Catholic church leaders do what they are doing. 

        They are bound to protect lives and against killings of fetuses and other human beings which is totally immoral, if not, a criminal act as well.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Sorry, that wasn’t directed at you.

        I was saying that the church should stop meddling in the creation of a new bill.

        They’re not the sole protectors of lives in the entire state. Nor are they tasked or mandated to prevent criminal acts.

        There’s the police & army for that.

    • PaengSaAmerika

      Because they drained the natural resources of each and every country they colonized to enrich themselves. They promoted slavery as well in the early years. The Pope expressed his neutrality on the issue of using condoms in the past few months and I was wondering why Filipino Catholic leaders still don’t get it.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2VF3TD6JKJPKCINJ4FXP5ZBXS4 rafael

    What befuddles me is why the church is embroiled in politics.  The RH bill is a political exercise and the church has nothing to do with it. 

    • PaengSaAmerika

      They are descendants of Padre Damaso, tocayo. It’s surprising that after more than a hunderd years, they still inherit the habbits, o yeah, more to say… bad habbits. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

      The Catholic church wanted to flex its muscle and to show that they are still influential in all third countries (the Philippines & South America). Other than these regions they (the Catholic Church) are either ignored or banned!

  • NYPinoy

    The professors driven out for heresy while Bishop Bacani is still active with the El Shaddai. There is something very wrong with this picture.

    • IsipPinoy

       May pera sa El Shaddai.

  • Marc D. Kun

    Genesis 1:28 At sila’y binasbasan ng Dios, at sa kanila’y
    sinabi ng Dios, Kayo’y magpalaanakin, at magpakarami, at kalatan ninyo
    ang lupa, at inyong supilin; at magkaroon kayo ng kapangyarihan sa mga
    isda sa dagat, at sa mga ibon sa himpapawid, at sa bawa’t hayop na
    gumagalaw sa ibabaw ng lupa.

    …. at inyong supilin …..

    …. at inyong supilin …..

    God indeed commanded us to multiply, but He isn’t stupid enough. He also told us to know when and where to stop (inyong supilin)…

    the CBCP is not keen to see this part of the verse. they just stopped at some point and claimed it is against the doctrine/bible.. tsk3.. and how many years did they spend studying the bible to not notice this phrase?

    • PaengSaAmerika

      Yes sir, well said. It’s just a matter of sentido kumon, which I think our catholic leaders don’t really have.

      • Marc D. Kun

        It’s just so alarming they claim they are authorities of the bible. And yet…

  • Edgar Lores

    The Church will allow pederasts in their midst but not people who can think for themselves?

    And you call this religion?

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

      Maybe because pederasts adheres to the church’s principle, submission and no questions asked.

      • Jairus Aragon

        They dare ask other to get fired when the same pederast just get relocated

  • Michael Paras

    Heresy 
    1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system. 2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine. 3. Roman Catholic Church . the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church. 4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with
    established beliefs, customs, etc.

    Yung issue dito kung bakit sila papatalsikin ay accusations of heresy. Looking back at the definition of heresy (of which I’ve already provided for your convenience), if you’re proRH you’re definitely a heretic. ProRH students should also be declared heretics. Doesn’t matter
    if you issue statements or whatnot. In other words, the school administrators should also expel heretical students.

  • rickysgreyes

    The Catholic Church is courting a PR disaster by attacking academic freedom.

    • Platypus09

      I don’t think academic freedom is widely used or accepted in private, religious or Catholic institutions, especially in the Philippines.

      I think it is WIDELY used in GOVERNMENT or public schools or universities funded by the government, (at least in the United States where academic freedom is widely used), like University of the Philippines, Bicol University, etc. .

      • Jairus Aragon

        Nevertheless, they are attracting a PR disaster.

      • rickysgreyes

        Academic freedom is being able to express or communicate your idea without fear of repression (for the info of readers). Repression is not necessarily limited to private schools only. Remember those UP professors from the College of Law castigated by the SC? I am wondering how the top officials of Ateneo will treat this. Some or most of them, both Jesuits and administrators, are from the First Quarter Storm era and they know the value freedom of speech, having lived though that dark era of Philippine history.

      • Platypus09

        You might need to read my previous posts in previous page. 

        There is a very fine line between separation of church and state especially if you are employed in religious or Catholic institutions where they will ask you to be loyal to the mission, vision, and core values these institutions were created on.

        Separation between the two is so distinct only if you work in government academic institutions and public offices.

      • kalealaskador

         You and the Catholic Church have a problem. The Catholic church wants you to follow BLINDLY and you follow BLINDLY.

      • Platypus09

        You might think I am, but I have my strong and clear vision of who I am as a Catholic and what should I believe in. 

  • Sid Marcel

    So now the church is above the Constitution of the Philippines as well? This is subjugation of human rights which is instilled in the constitution and an outright discrimination which is culpable under criminal law.
    Enough with the church meddling every filipino. Let them pay taxes for christ sake if are just to give attention to these idiots.
    Medroso said…“That has to be investigated. The first principle of Canon law about this matter is that we don’t allow teaching that which is against the official teachings of the Church. Now, if there is somebody who is giving instructions against the teachings of the Church, then they have to investigate immediately,” So if I am a Muslim science teacher, does these institutions not allow me to apply and work there solely because of my religion? I think the government should investigate these schools. The time has come and ripe for change. The teachings of the church has nothing to do with getting an engineering or whatever you may want degree. Unless maybe if you want to be a priest.OMG Catholic Church in the Philippines, what happened to you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

    It is plain and simple courtesy and respect for the institution that hired them. For example, a professor who is hired by a Muslim school to teach English and in his class he attacked Koran or  the Muslim religion, what do you think the Muslim authorities would do to him? The very least he will be fired and the worst, he could be exterminated. 

  • frudo

    hindi catholic church ang itinayo duon,

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IHH43FUIDR2OKBRVAB6VTM52GY Nelson

    I will believe Bishop Palma if catholic schools will not charge too much fees.  Free for all those who have lots of children because they weren’t able to practice family planning because they fear the wrath of the Church.  Why can’t these bishops and cardinals discipline first their ranks?  The pedophile bishops and priests?  Criminals in robes doesn’t apply only to the Judges and Justices, but to the Priesthood and Bishops as well.  Long gone are the days when I saw priests with logical minds.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYJLDPFZXW3GZVHSY5TOQZX6D4 SojuSaki

    Heresy? Really? Can somebody kick myass, please? I can’t believe it, these esteemed professors are being accuse of an archaic crime in the 21st century. Is Philippines still in the medieval age?
    These bishops are like viruses prying on the weak Pinoys.  When will poor Pinoys realize the parasitic effect of catholism on the country. Personally, I believe these pervbishops are the biggest road block that hinders the country from harnessing its full potential. Pinoy should learn from English history when Queen Elizabeth I refused to be a puppet of the pope, purged all perv-and-hypocrite bishops loyal to Rome.  England has its golden age during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I when all of Europe but England were puppets of Rome.Up to this day, majority of UK are Protestants if not Atheists which only show that catholic god is nothing but imaginary. If there is really one, he should have terminated all those bloody English who refused to be catholics. Hope Pinoys would one day realize that the advent of catholism in the Philippines is not something to be proud of. It’s the greatest cultural genocide to ever happened in this part of the world… 

    • Platypus09

      You sound like very non-Catholic. I think Catholicism is a part of who we are as Filipinos, a culture some how. It unites most of us and our families somehow, especially in religious events, fiestas, etc. which is a good thing. 

      You have to remember that Queen Elizabeth of England and her predecessors are NOT Catholics. 

      They used to be Catholics until they decided to break away from it because they refused to follow the Catholic teachings. Most of the traditions of Anglicans (of Queen Elizabeth) have similarities with Catholicism except some few, including the refusal of their priests to stay celibates. 

      Their priests like to live like human beings and divine at the same time. 

      How can they do do that? Hard to imagine but not for them.  

      They were so powerful and so much ego that they think they were were above the Catholic church and they broke away from it.

      • Diepor

        You have no point to your comment.

      • Platypus09

        To you may not but I was responding to above mine. 

        What I was saying, is that why do we have to follow Queen Elizabeth and her followers when these people are not Catholics. They have different values like most of us Filipinos who are mostly Catholics. 

        I hope you get my point now.

      • IsipPinoy

         It was a blessing that England broke away from Catholicism.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        It’s more of a blessing that the British Occupation of the Philippines didn’t last that long. Or else, we would have turned Protestant.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        Most of ASIA is NOT catholic.

        They are doing much much better than the Philippines.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYJLDPFZXW3GZVHSY5TOQZX6D4 SojuSaki

        Used to be a catholic, was baptized without my consent and I’m sure same thing happened to you. 

        But try to observe and you will notice that in more developed cities like NY, London, Singapore, HK, Paris, etc. people tend to be more educated, financially well-off and  less religious if not totally atheist whereas in cities like Manila, Calcutta, Mexico or Timbuktu, majority of the people are poor and tends to be more religious fanatic. 

        Thus, I’d like to think that religion particularly catholism do not bring socio-economic benefit to the people and the country. On the contrary, it brings social and economic retardation with Manila as an excellent case.

  • frudo

    ok sige lahat ng religion na nakikialam sa gobyerno pls lang parang awa nyo na palayain nyo na ang bansang Pinas na di na umasenso dahil sa pakikialam ay pangaalipin ninyo, ok ba yun txt man 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

    Greetings from Europe! Last week I visited the “Primeval Age Museum” here in Boxtel (The Netherlands) I was amazed at a huge collection of fossils of Dinosaurs the museum owned and the Diorama cast of animals that were found around the world some of them before the birth of man (before 3.3 million years ago). Our first great great ancestors are ape-like primates (monkeys) that started walking in their two legs and use their hands (before for walking) to make stone tools. ScientIst have CONVINCING proofs that our ape-like characteristics disappeared when the human brain become enlarged. This transformation inable man to invent language and organisea religion to explain hopefully births, marriages and death through a mythical beliefs and dogmas. The precursor of Christianity is Judaism a religion started by Abraham only 11,000 years ago. When Roman emperor Constantine recognised Christianity as national religion of his Empire, early Christian grabbed this opportunity for political control.The height of Christian power began in Medieval Europe 10th – 13 century. where the power of the Catholic church was impeded. In the 16th Century Martin Luther (Germany); Zwingly (Switzerland), John Knox (Scotland) started a reformation movement to defy the Catholic Pope and England under King Henry the 8th rejected the Catholic church already. With the Industrial Revolution in Europe the Catholih lost its power base even up to the present generation. Europe has plenty of churches that are NOW EMPTY.People believe now in SCIENCE and not religion. Scientist send manned spaceships in outer space and they came back to earth not telling us that there is a GOD up there in the Universe. Come on Filipinos DEFY THIS CATHOLIC PRIESTS and their leaders that keep the people ignorant and poor in this SCIENTIFIC AGE. Without internet (science) I would not be able to communicate with you and share my experience and knowledge (not of religion) but the things that surround us.

    • PaengSaAmerika

      It’s now beginning to happen in the Philippines. The Bishops are losing their moral command and they don’t even know it..or.. just ignoring it.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        They know it, of course. In fact, the whole world is losing its moral ascendancy, as evidenced by countless pro-RH Bill supporters here and their counterparts abroad.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYJLDPFZXW3GZVHSY5TOQZX6D4 SojuSaki

      In United Kingdom especially in Scotland, some former catholic churches are not only empty but converted to either museums or restaurants… And believe me, these current uses of the buildings are more beneficial than its original intended use.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

        Also in the Netherlands, Catholic Church buildings converted into appartments, shops, restaurants, gaybars or disco centers.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM7T7IPHCQVS5SOXFVELLZ2O2E Jackie Ugay

      “People believe in Science and not religion”. Bwahaha talino mo grabe!

  • PaengSaAmerika

    The faculty members involved should write a letter to the Pope. The CBCP is getting out of control. In the eyes of every Filipino, they’re still the “desperate Bishops”. Weak, insensitive and egoistic, what else?

    • Platypus09

      Who do you think the Pope will side on between the two groups? 

      • Jairus Aragon

        It shouldn’t matter, he is not the responsible for what the Filipino people think of their bishops.

        Or should he be?

      • Platypus09

        Nope. 

        As long as he thinks that Filipino Catholic Bishops are in line with the Catholic teachings which I think they are, the Pope will side with them.

        The Pope is always against abortion and contraceptives and it has been like that since the beginning. 

        He is up for preservation of life, perpetuation of natural order, and so many other things. 

        NO killings of human beings or fetuses are acceptable in the Catholic church and some other religions. 

        That is against the Ten Commandments.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        So is praying to STATUES, bit the idiot priests do it.

      • Platypus09

        Catholics have no problem with such practice especially, if such practice makes them happy, less anxious and comfortable. 

        There is a reason why they do that. 

        That is their belief and it is very strong.

        Who are we to deprive or deny them of doing if that is what they like doing? 

        Why criticize others if you can criticize your own people or or fellow religious followers who are not following the teachings of your own religion? 

        I am sure you can find faults anywhere and with any body in this world.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

        The pope did side with the CONDOMS, hahahaha

      • Platypus09

        That could be a conditional one. 

        I have this feeling that he will be up for condoms use, especially for homosexual men who continue to be promiscuous with many other men out there. 

        If this could prevent losing more gay lives or one way to “preserve” lives of gay men out there, that could be a big reason. 

        Again, the key is “preservation of life”. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UL2KMSIWFWJAIPAMUIBWDFFT2M Armand

    CBCP is just showing its true  color. Is this the second inquisition authored by the bishops of the Philippines? your no different from the inquisitors during the inquisition and the friars during the Spanish time,

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Sure, fire them.

    THEN see what happens to ADMU’s academic reputation.  It’s considered one of the best universities in the country, does anyone still actually think that they’ll be regarded as highly if they sack people for expressing freedom of expression?

  • pinoy63

    if the church want to get involved in politics,,, its time for the  government to tax them

  • agaylaya

    Academic freedom is an archaic concept invented when learning and teaching occurred only within the confines of schools. We have more powerful “freedoms” now guaranteed by our constitution allowing us the ability to learn anywhere and anytime. What freedom do you think are you using when you post your comment in this forum? We no longer need the concept of academic freedom for us to express our opinions freely, learn what  we need to learn and be educated. 

  • Diepor

    Poor Philippines , we are so narrow minded.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Please don’t include the entire Philippines on how you perceive yourself to be. Thank you.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PJJOXJHS2C6TSRFK6CY3MQO4JM Cesar

    A desperate move…CBCP just shoot itself

    • Jairus Aragon

      They’re doing that more frequently it seems.

  • IsipPinoy

     Pag pera kalimutan na ang Canon law at si Mammon na ang diyos.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM7T7IPHCQVS5SOXFVELLZ2O2E Jackie Ugay

    simply lang yan. kung di ka susunod sa kautusan ng relihiyon mo, di umalis ka. ALL religions have laws and rules that should be followed if you’re a member, if you no longer adhere to their laws, then leave.  Hypokrito tong mga Atenean priests nato, kautusan ng Vatican at ng kanilang direct leaders, umalis na sila sa pgiging katoliko tutal madami naman jan relihyon sa tabi tabi.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PJJOXJHS2C6TSRFK6CY3MQO4JM Cesar

      Simpletons believe everything is either white or black… they can’t comprehend different the shades of grey… it is not that simple, simpleton.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LM7T7IPHCQVS5SOXFVELLZ2O2E Jackie Ugay

        Ahh. Then why not enlighten me genius. Amaze me with your intellect on the ‘different shades of grey”. Dazzle me with your favorite colors of the rainbow hahaha idiot.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Touché.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZYJLDPFZXW3GZVHSY5TOQZX6D4 SojuSaki

    I’m looking forward to a day of reformation in the Philippines where the government and the people would be truly free from all psychological harassment from the federation of dogmatists and hypocrites.
    I would gladly join in the purging of these noisypervs.

    • Platypus09

      I am hoping for a balance of thinking, not a total transformation. 

      That will be difficult but ask some of the experts out there.  

  • http://twitter.com/ernestonoel1 hopelovefaith

    in the first place, bakit ba nakikialam ang catholic church ninyo sa affairs of the state

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      In the first place, why is the state meddling in Church affairs (the sanctity of life)?

      • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

        Abortion?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Sorry, I don’t get you this time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VOPK23AK7VZAQAYU4AZ2M7EJOI Rona

    Hasn’t the CBCP ever heard of SEPARATION of Church and State?!?! Hello!!!!!

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      Yep. And this idea of separation is a big mistake in the first place. But that is another long story.

      • Jairus Aragon

        The big mistake that resulted in most of the freedoms you enjoy.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        As a student of history for close to two decades, I can confidently say that we were more free yesterday compared to now.

      • Jairus Aragon

        You might have been absent during those 2 decades you are so proud of.

        BEFORE
        1. During the early Spanish period most education was carried out by the religious orders.
        2. You only had state enforced religion. Catholics alone enjoyed the right of engaging in public ceremonies of worship.
        3. Spain to collect taxes from their Christianized converts.

        AFTER
        1. An improved public school system was established during the first decade of American rule.
        2. You had the freedom to choose your religion.
        3. We paid taxes to the Philippine government to be used for projects in the Philippines.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “You might have been absent during those 2 decades you are so proud of.”

        Another useless statement, proving that you are merely a pseudo-intellectual.

        Anyway, you are correct. Most of the education were carried out by the friars. However, it is incorrect to say that an improved public school system was established during the US Occupation (US, not American; all peoples of both North and South America are Americans). Obviously, you haven’t heard of the Maura Law. But it’s never too late.

        “Catholics alone enjoyed the right of engaging in public ceremonies of worship.”
        Naturalmente. Yun lang ang religión dati. However, those who were unconverted (the highlanders and the Moros) were not persecuted for not accepting Christianity.

        Now you say that today, we have the freedom to choose which religion we want. Cool. Now look around you — what a peaceful and united Philippines we have, huh? Take a modern Filipino dinner table, for instance. The father is an Iglesia de Manalo. The mom’s a Catholic. The eldest son’s a wafer-eating Born Again something. The sister’s a Witness, with suitcase ready after their meal. And don’t forget li’l Jimmy who’s being tutored by Mor(m)ons. Unity’s in the filial air! Hurrah!

        Pardon me if I’m making fun of the other groups. Puro na lang casí Catholic-bashing ang nandito. I’m just trying to “balance” things here. =)

        3. Spain to collect taxes from their Christianized converts.
        There is definitely nothing wrong with that. Those who opposed Christianity virtually opposed “Filipinization” (cultural dissemination).

        And for your intelligence enhancement, there were only FIVE kinds of taxes during the Spanish times, whereas there are more or less 20 (or perhaps even more) taxes today.

        Your turn.

      • Jairus Aragon

        1. This Maura Law you had referenced had nothing to do with the academic well-being of your church-state.

        “The Maura Law established tribunales, municipales and juntas provinciales”

        Heck, i think it was a land grabbing law issued by the state.

        “The Maura Law: was partly an amendment and was the last Spanish land law promulgated in the Philippines, which required the adjustment or registration of all agricultural lands, otherwise the lands shall revert to the State”

        Although things changed for the better when that spanish era ended.
        Public education has reached the masses & not just the upper echelons of society that can afford them.

        Why was it that they did not bother to teach the masses? Did they lack funding? We paid our taxes to spain properly, was that not being used in our country?

        It is easier to make sheep blindly follow if they are not as educated as the teachers that stood up against them now. The church did have an easier time sheparding illiterate, uneducated, simple minded farmers.

        They did have a hard time silencing that one learned fellow; Rizal. 

        2. It is this same freedom of religion that should have been available to the moro’s originally living there.

        “The spanish-moro conflict lasted over several hundred years and included multiple wars between the Moros and Spanish.”

        They were definitely persecuted for not accepting Christianity. Did the friars educate you improperly on the history of this country? I bet they didn’t want to teach you anything potentially subversive.

        And stop bashing other religions with no good reason like “Balance”

        3. Your church-state legitimized paying taxes to spain. You are arguing from the side of spain’s point of view. Yes, there is nothing wrong with fealty to another individual as long as they where conquered under God’s name.

        Did you want to “Christianize” this Indio so that I would bow down to you? And pay you taxes?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “1. This Maura Law you had referenced had nothing to do with the academic well-being of your church-state.”

        Of course it did. But you are not a historian. That is why you do not know these things.

        “Heck, i think it was a land grabbing law issued by the state.”

        I am not surprised at how you perceive it, judging from your obvious hatred of the Spanish past.

        “Why was it that they did not bother to teach the masses? Did they lack funding? We paid our taxes to spain properly, was that not being used in our country? ”

        Excuse me: they DID bother to teach the masses. Public schools were set up in various poblaciones. Did they lack funding? In some cases (and places), yes. But not all the time. And of course taxes were used. But hey, don’t try to force anyone who reads your biased comments to think why the Spanish regime was not perfect; no regime/empire/government/kingdom in any time throughout history was perfect.

        “It is easier to make sheep blindly follow if they are not as educated as the teachers that stood up against them now. The church did have an easier time sheparding illiterate, uneducated, simple minded farmers.”

        You have just belittled our pre-Philippine/pre-Hispanic ancestors. Lagót ca sa mga tagá-UP niyán, ¡hahaha!

        They did have a hard time silencing that one learned fellow; Rizal.

        A hard time? LOL! No disrespect to the national hero, but he was executed, wasn’t he?

        2. It is this same freedom of religion that should have been available to the moro’s originally living there.

        Well, many of them remained Muslim up to now. My golly…

        “They were definitely persecuted for not accepting Christianity. Did the friars educate you improperly on the history of this country? I bet they didn’t want to teach you anything potentially subversive.”

        Wow. “Definitely”, HAHAHAHA! Cayá palá hangáng ñgayón, nandito pa rin silá sa Filipinas (Mindanáo). And no, I wasn’t educated by the friars. Don’t worry too much about it.

        “And stop bashing other religions with no good reason like ‘Balance'”

        Touché with your anti-Catholicism, LOL!

        3. Your church-state legitimized paying taxes to spain. You are arguing from the side of spain’s point of view. Yes, there is nothing wrong with fealty to another individual as long as they where conquered under God’s name. 

        Wrong. I am arguing from HISTORY’s point of view.

        Did you want to “Christianize” this Indio so that I would bow down to you? And pay you taxes?

        Wow. That INDIO word again. I bet that you don’t even know it’s true meaning.

        Try again.

      • Jairus Aragon

        1. Honestly you have not made your point on Maura’s Law, I believe it’s your prerogative to explain this law. 

        Ofcourse the spanish colony wasn’t perfect. It was made to be imperfect, it was only a colony. If you would look at spain at that same timeline, you would consider it to be a great dis-service to the Filipino people. They used our taxes to build churches, errect forts & hire soldiers as well (did i mention alot went back to spain as well)

        I would insult our pre-Hispanic ancestors, they’re the fools that went along with it. Heck, we wouldn’t have been colonized so far from spain if we weren’t converted to christianity & taught to fight each other. and even after being colonized, they went along with it for 300 years. It took an executed hero to rally them.

        2. I doubt there was any freedom of religion for the muslims in luzon & visayas. They weren’t able to worship in public because the church didn’t like competition. It wanted a monopoly. The only reason Mindanao is still has muslims is because they fought to keep it that way.

        3. Spain did legitimize such an one-way deal through the church. Even if you look at it from HISTORY’s point of view you will see that the filino’s REBELLED. If you fail to understand that word, it simply means they had enough of the spanish injustices, prejudice, & economic oppression. If it was obvious to the people of long ago, how can you, a historian, be so oblivious to it. Heck even the proper usage of the word INDIO eludes you.

        Please elaborate your next response. You are a writer, are you not?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Finally. I was waiting for you, man. It’s getting boring here.

        “1. Honestly you have not made your point on Maura’s Law, I believe it’s your prerogative to explain this law.”
        I just did, on the education side. But you swerved, making mention about taxes, land-grabbing, etc.

        “Ofcourse the spanish colony wasn’t perfect. It was made to be imperfect, it was only a colony.”
        To your textbook-educated mind, it was only a colony. This is the problem with Filipinos today educated only in Taglish (yes, Taglish). And you claim that the “colony” was made to be imperfect, as it was on purpose. How laughable. But I’m giving you the floor: prove it. =)

        “If you would look at spain at that same timeline, you would consider it to be a great dis-service to the Filipino people.”
        And now you used the demonym Filipino. You have to define what a Filipino first is before you argue with me. Because I’m quite sure that you have a different “Filipino” in mind, far from what is real.

        “They used our taxes to build churches, errect forts & hire soldiers as well (did i mention alot went back to spain as well)”
        Eyebrows. EYEBROWS. Spain never benefited from the Philippines. Spain never got rich. Those churches were made not because of taxes, hahaha! How dare you contradict millions of Spanish documents in the archives and elsewhere. Poor you. You only know Taglish .

        “I would insult our pre-Hispanic ancestors, they’re the fools that went along with it. Heck, we wouldn’t have been colonized so far from spain if we weren’t converted to christianity & taught to fight each other.”
        Puro na lang elementary textbook allegations ang sinasabi mo, eh. You have no evidence that the Spaniards made the pre-Philippine ethno-linguistic groups fight each other. Let me drill it again into your head: You. Have. No. Evidence. LOL!

        “2. I doubt there was any freedom of religion for the muslims in luzon & visayas. They weren’t able to worship in public because the church didn’t like competition. It wanted a monopoly. The only reason Mindanao is still has muslims is because they fought to keep it that way.”
        Again, elementary textbook hearsay. You know nothing about the synod of 1599 nor the pact between the Spaniards and the Muslims of Mindanáo. You know nothing about John Leddy Phelan. You know nothing about Félix Huerta. You know absolutely nothing about the Spanish past, save from what you learned from, you know, elementary textbooks. My golly. And yes, you keed on doubting, because the only thing you know about Philippine history are those you learned from… ah, what the heck, you know the rest.

        “3. Spain did legitimize such an one-way deal through the church. Even if you look at it from HISTORY’s point of view you will see that the filino’s REBELLED.”
        How superficial. How elementary bookish. Obviously, you have no inkling that the so-called “revolution” is but a mere “rebellion” of a criminal gang that many people today worship as heroes. Freemasonry to many people today is all about Dan Brown. Phooey.

        And the word INDIO eludes… me?! WAHAHAHAHA!!!

        Look, I don’t elaborate here. The space and readers are limited. Besides, we’re both off-topic already. I only use this comments section generally to entertain myself by responding to trolls and senseless haters by giving them a dose of their own idiocy. But since it appears that you’re interested in our history which you learned only from elem… ah, heck. Just go ahead and look for FILIPINO eSCRIBBLES in the internet. Google it together with the keywords “The Filipino Identity”.

        Dude, if you wish to delve in Philippine History, better arm yourself. Me, I’m no economist. So I will save myself from humiliation by not engaging in an argument with an economist.

        My golly…

      • Jairus Aragon

        Haha, i also have to sleep you know. I looked up FILIPINO eSCRIBBLES, well that’s just your website. Of course it would be biased.

        1. I still don’t think you didn’t explain ‘Maura’s Law’ properly either.

        Colonies were made imperfect intentionally, it existed as a incomplete part of a whole. They were under the rule of & paid taxes to the mother land.

        “Spain never benefited from the Philippines. Spain never got rich. Those churches were made not because of taxes, hahaha! How dare you contradict millions of Spanish documents in the archives and elsewhere.”

        I’m pretty sure taxes alone would suffice, but the spanish friars owned the land being cultivated & thus the produce as well. Was the “Cedula” also fabrication of my mind?
        I ask you to show these “millions” of spanish documents you speak of.

        Spanish troops almost always re-enforced their numbers with filipino soldiers. Filipino colonial troops were sent to quell filipino rebels.

        2. You don’t seem to acknoledge the Spanish-Moro Conflict lasted over several hundred years. I guess i must be fabricating these as well:

        a. The mission to christianize Jolo with 9000 soldiers. 
        b. The military garison on Zamboanga & Cotobato.
        c. The concerted naval and ground assult of Sulu.

        3. This “rebelion of a criminal gang” resulted in the free country you live in today. If you don’t appreciate your freedoms, feel free to leave.

        —-

        If you acknowledge my textbook-educated mind, stop asking me to prove where I got these information. Textbooks. 

        Where are you getting your information?

        Apparently there is History & YOUR-story.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “Haha, i also have to sleep you know. I looked up FILIPINO eSCRIBBLES, well that’s just your website. Of course it would be biased.”
        Well, you’re asking me to expound my thoughts. Naturally, whatever I tell you is biased. Fail.
        “1. I still don’t think you didn’t explain ‘Maura’s Law’ properly either.”
        Yeah. I agree. My apologies. It’s not the Maura Law. It’s the education decree of 1863. I got it all mixed up, sorry. Too much info. It’s because I was thinking of “Cleopatra’s Needle” which is in Pagsanján, La Laguna…

        “In the heart of the poblacion is the well-groomed, rectangular plaza, originally named Plaza de Reina Regente Maria Cristina in honor of Queen Regent Maria Cristina who ruled Spain from 1855 to 1902 during the minority of King Alfonso XIII, her son. It was also constructed by Pagsanjeño polistas under the supervision of the friar cura. Both this plaza and the town gate were belatedly inaugurated amidst festive ceremonies on July 23, 1894, with Dr. Pedro A. Paterno, distinguished Filipino statesman-patriot, as guest of honor and speaker. In bygone years a towering sharp pointed obelisk called Agujo de Cleopatra(Needle of Cleopatra) stood at the center of the plaza. Each of the four sides of this obelisk contained a marble slab. On the first slab was inscribed: ‘A Ministro Segismundo Moret, Creador de las Juntas de Reformas Ultrarinas — 1869′; on the second slab: ‘A Don Antonio Maura, Autor del Real Decreto de 19 de Mayo 1893′; on the third slab: ‘A Don Ramon Blanco, Gobernador y Capitan General de las Islas Filipinas'; and on the fourth slab: ‘A Don Angel Aviles, Director General de la Administracion Civil.’ The splendid obelisk was dedicated to Queen Regent Maria Cristina.”

        That’s from Gregorio Zaide, by the way. Anyway, like what I said, it was the education decree that I was actually referring to. It was signed and enacted by Queen Isabella II. It produced the first modern public education system in Asia. And it happened right here in the Philippines.

        “Colonies were made imperfect intentionally, it existed as a incomplete part of a whole. They were under the rule of & paid taxes to the mother land.”
        Again, allegations. For the nth time, prove to me that colonies were made imperfect intentionally. You are still unable to prove it.

        “I’m pretty sure taxes alone would suffice, but the spanish friars owned the land being cultivated & thus the produce as well.”
        Yes. One good example is the Hacienda de San José. Proceeds of the hacienda went to the funding of Colegio de San José in Intramuros. It also funded various charitable activities and missions of the Jesuits.

        “Was the “Cedula” also fabrication of my mind?
        I ask you to show these ‘millions’ of spanish documents you speak of.”
        You are an expert in twisting my arguments. For one, I never implied that taxes such as the cédula never existed (what a pity, I had no idea your comprehension would go down so low). What I said couldn’t have been more clearer: “those churches were made not because of taxes”, and here you are running your mouth with “was the ‘Cedula also fabrication of my mind?” You couldn’t follow correct reasoning. Yeah, you better get some sleep before you answer this one. Tsk.

        “Spanish troops almost always re-enforced their numbers with filipino soldiers. Filipino colonial troops were sent to quell filipino rebels.”Nothing wrong with it.

        “2. You don’t seem to acknoledge the Spanish-Moro Conflict lasted over several hundred years. I guess i must be fabricating these as well:”
        Absolutely. =)

        a. The mission to christianize Jolo with 9000 soldiers. — It didn’t last over several hundred years. Fail.
        b. The military garison on Zamboanga & Cotobato. — Two words: Muslim pirates.
        c. The concerted naval and ground assult of Sulu. — Let me be a parrot for a while: it didn’t last over several hundred years. Double fail.

        “3. This “rebelion of a criminal gang” resulted in the free country you live in today.”
        Free? It’s because you are living a comfortable life. You don’t see the truth behind our politics today. You haven’t even asked yourself why our peso is perpetually pegged to the dollar. Freedom my foot.

        “If you don’t appreciate your freedoms, feel free to leave.”
        Sigue. Pero mauna ca. :D

        If you acknowledge my textbook-educated mind, stop asking me to prove where I got these information. Textbooks. 
        An admission of your stupidity, I’m sorry to say.

        Apparently there is History & YOUR-story.
        Which is, again, something that you will never be able to prove. Considering that you have a mind of an elementary school kid, up to now being spoon-fed by elementary books. Shame.

        Your turn, genius.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Hey Jairus. I just read your comment in my blog. Thanks for commenting in a respectful tone. I already approved it. We can transfer the discussion there. Más mabaít acó dun quesa dito, ¡jeje! Dami casíng ogag dito, eh. Nacacahawa tulóy. Cheers. =)

      • Jairus Aragon

        I still read your article though, even left a argument on your website.

        1. A finally some clarity on this “Maura’s Law”, and here i thought you were making things up.

        The education decree of 1863 is just a decade short of the start of the uprisings. It might have addressed the problem of public education, though it was too little too late.

        It was not the first educational system in asia though. Ever since the 1600’s Japan had established educational institutions. Education of commoners was generally practically oriented, providing basic training in reading, writing, and arithmetic, emphasizing calligraphy and use of the abacus. By the end of the Tokugawa period, there were more than 11,000 such schools, attended by 750,000 students. 

        Being a colony of spain, it had an built-in racial caste system as well.
        Of course it favored those born from the mother-land.

        There were the Peninsulares, person of pure Spanish descent born in Spain. Insulares, Mestizo, Sangley (chinese), Indio & Negrito.

        Peninsulares enjoyed certain privileges and could be assigned to posts of higher responsibility.

        Where you lived was influenced by this instituted caste system. Racial Segregation.
        The whites living in the walled city Intramuros
        Christianized sangleys and mestizos de sangley in Binondo
        and the rest of the 7,000 islands for the indios

        Did you know that why Binondo was built so close to Intramuros? As the story goes, the spainiards were afraid of a chinese uprising, so they stationed their homes on an artillery grid. Should they rebel, all they had to do was blow their homes sky high.

        Hacienda’s were also part of this perfect colonial system. It resulted in the patron friar becoming immensely wealthy. 

        It is a long lingering remnant of the past, even the present agrarian reform programs have not totally eradicated this.

        2. You see what you want to see, & hear what you want to hear. 
        There are historical records of these taking place. 
        You are no historian if you deny any of these happened. 

        3. You have undervalued your freedom. It is better than the slave labour propagated in the haciendas of your colonies. It is better than the racial segregation of a caste system. 

        Shame for your ignorance on “Maura’s Law”
        Shame for your ignorance on the caste system, hacienda’s & injustice the colony brings.
        Shame for your ignorance on of the moro conflict.
        Shame for your ignorance on the true value of your freedom.

        I suggest you hit those elementary school books again & feed yourself. I sense a serious lack of information, or a immense biased against it.

        History & Your-story cannot be reconcilled.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “It was not the first educational system in asia though. Ever since the 1600’s Japan had established educational institutions.”
        What I said was “first MODERN public education system in Asia”. Read carefully.

        “Being a colony of spain, it had an built-in racial caste system as well.
        Of course it favored those born from the mother-land.”Right. You’re getting close, kid. Let me help you on this: the term “colony” has a different connotation in English. The concept of colonization is different in Spanish from its US counterpart.

        “There were the Peninsulares, person of pure Spanish descent born in Spain. Insulares, Mestizo, Sangley (chinese), Indio & Negrito.”
        Let me help you again: indio during the Spanish times actually meant NATIVE or native-born. Skin color, of course, did matter; racism is not a myth, then as now. But generally speaking, once a person was born in the Philippines, and he grew up there, he is considered a native, or Indio, of the crown colony.

        “Peninsulares enjoyed certain privileges and could be assigned to posts of higher responsibility. Peninsulares enjoyed certain privileges and could be assigned to posts of higher responsibility. Where you lived was influenced by this instituted caste system. Racial Segregation. The whites living in the walled city Intramuros Christianized sangleys and mestizos de sangley in Binondo and the rest of the 7,000 islands for the indios”
        Please tell me something new.
        Did you know that why Binondo was built so close to Intramuros? As the story goes, the spainiards were afraid of a chinese uprising, so they stationed their homes on an artillery grid. Should they rebel, all they had to do was blow their homes sky high.
        There was already a Binondo community prior to the Spanish arrival.

        “Hacienda’s were also part of this perfect colonial system.”
        Now you admitted that it was perfect.

        “It resulted in the patron friar becoming immensely wealthy.”
        Prove.
        Wait a minute….
        You haven’t even proved anything yet in the first place. So don’t bother, LOL!

         “You see what you want to see, & hear what you want to hear. ”
        TOUCHÉ :D

        “You have undervalued your freedom.”
        Nope. Reality check, dude. We are not free. Ever heard of the movie The Matrix and its blue and red pill? :D

        It is better than the slave labour propagated in the haciendas of your colonies. It is better than the racial segregation of a caste system. 
        Slavery was abolished during the Spanish times. The “caste system” existed only in India. My golly.

        “Shame for your ignorance on “Maura’s Law”
        Shame for your ignorance on the caste system, hacienda’s & injustice the colony brings.Shame for your ignorance on of the moro conflict.Shame for your ignorance on the true value of your freedom.
        I suggest you hit those elementary school…”

        ¿Anó tó? ¿Lyrics ng cantá? ¡Composer ca palá! ¡Galíng namán!

      • Jairus Aragon

        1. I never said anything about it being modern. It was a PUBLIC educational system. The education decree of 1863 was centuries late in providing public education to the colonies.

        Let me give you a history lesson. Indio during the Spanish times meant persons of pure Filipino ancestry. Persons classified as ‘blancos’ (whites) were the persons born in the Philippines of pure Spanish descent.

        Do not skew the facts!

        “There was already a Binondo community prior to the Spanish arrival.”

        Stop fabricating events.

        Binondo is the oldest Chinatown in the world, established in 1594.
        The Spanish arrived 1521 & occupied manila & tondo on 1571

        The history of the relationship of Haciendas to slave labour can be traced back to the Encomienda.

        Encomienda was the system that was employed mainly by the Spanish crown to generate labor. In practice, the difference between encomienda and slavery could be minimal.

        The encomienda system was succeeded by the crown-managed repartimiento and the hacienda, or large landed estates.

        Did you deny the existence of the caste system in the philippines as well?

        I’m beginning to see a pattern of denial here.

        2. You have no comments on this either. Can you prove such historical records do not exist?

        3. I don’t blame you for not feeling free. 
        Only the truth will set you free.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “1. I never said anything about it being modern.”
        Yes. I did. It was my rebuttal to your nonsense. Master twister of argumentation. You must have fooled many people numerous times already with your slimy lies and tactics.

        “Let me give you a history lesson.”
        HAHAHAHAHA! You should hear ee laugh from here. ¡Hahahaha, grabe! After attempting to be a “composer” earlier, now you want to do some stand-up comedy. What’s next, an astronaut inside an aquarium? My golly. Hahaha!

        “Indio during the Spanish times meant persons of pure Filipino ancestry. Persons classified as ‘blancos’ (whites) were the persons born in the Philippines of pure Spanish descent.”
        Correct. Congratulations. However… read my previous statement again.

        “…indio during the Spanish times actually meant NATIVE or native-born. Skin color, of course, did matter; RACISM is not a myth, then as now. But GENERALLY SPEAKING, once a person was born in the Philippines, and he grew up there, he is considered a native, or Indio, of the crown colony.”

        EMPHASIS MINE. And I repeat: READ C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y. You’re already wearing glasses, aren’t you? LOL! And for the 2,867th time, do not rely too much on elementary history books laced with WASP-inspired lies. You wish to delve in history, then do it correctly.

        “Do not skew the facts!”
        A ver. ¿Násaan na ang mğa sagót sa mğa tanóng có na tilà iniiwasan mo? Can’t prove anything. Which proves that you are nothing but a compulsive online liar. Shame.

        “Binondo is the oldest Chinatown in the world, established in 1594.”
        Proto-Tagalog people already inhabited the place before the Chinese arrived. Man, this is getting dumber and dumber by the minute…

        “I’m beginning to see a pattern of denial here.”
        Because I’m beginning to see a pattern of Mr.-Bean-logic here.

        “Encomienda was the system blah blah”
        Napapagod na yatà acó sa cacasabi ng “elementary books”, ¡hahahahaha!

        “Did you deny the existence of the caste system in the philippines as well?”
        Not exactly. I just don’t discuss stuff that you are obviously getting from editable Wikipedia, LOL!

        “3. I don’t blame you for not feeling free.”
        I don’t blame you for your ignorance. It’s your teacher’s fault.

        “2. You have no comments on this either. Can you prove such historical records do not exist?”
        I’d be happy to do so… once I’ve received answers from your (BASELESS) accusations. For instance: you cry that priest’s a rapist. I’ve already asked you to prove his guilt twice. But you remained mum. Once you’ve proven your (BASELESS) accusations, then you’ll get the answers from me (and I proudly have them).

        “Only the truth will set you free.”
        Better say that aloud. And in front of a mirror (which, by the way, was introduced here by the Spaniards via the Galleon Trade).

      • Jairus Aragon

        1. The original point was about the lack of public education. It was not about the modernization of public education.

        “While the Spaniards named their farthest-flung colony Filipinas, they did not call its inhabitants Filipinos. They were Indios, as all natives of Spanish colonies were called. Those with even a 1% drop of native or non-Spanish blood were contemptuously referred to as “insulares” or “Filipinos””

        (Maharlika, 2008)

        Where are you getting your definition of indio?
        Stop telling your own version of history.

        2. You still insist on denial & now you are swerving from the topic. I doubt you have an honest answer here.

        3. In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved.
        I emplore you to work your way towards it. It exists. 

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “1. The original point was about the lack of public education. It was not about the modernization of public education.”And I’ve already proven that. By telling you about that 1863 decree. But you always go for nonsensical gobbledygook in a futile attempt to confuse me.

        “”While the Spaniards named their farthest-flung colony Filipinas, they did not call its inhabitants Filipinos. They were Indios, as all natives of Spanish colonies were called. Those with even a 1% drop of native or non-Spanish blood were contemptuously referred to as “insulares” or “Filipinos”””
        This is correct.

        “Where are you getting your definition of indio?”
        John Leddy Phelan
        Nick Joaquín
        Guillermo Gómez Rivera
        William Henry Scott
        Carlos P. Rómulo
        etc. etc. etc.

        “Stop telling your own version of history.”
        Don’t worry. I am not. But stop trying to pretend that you know anything about our country’s true history. You don’t. What little info you have came from… LOL! You already know that. ;-)

        “2. You still insist on denial & now you are swerving from the topic. I doubt you have an honest answer here.”
        Hahaha! You couldn’t even provide facts/answers to my challenges before (the “rapist priest”, etc.).

        “3. In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved.”
        What we achieved is pseudo-freedom. As long as there is social injustice, this land of ours is not free.

        I emplore you to work your way towards it. It exists. Elsewhere.  

  • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano
    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      They are indeed a despicable bunch. Makes me want to think that those perverts were “planted”.

      • Jairus Aragon

        More like they blossomed in church :D

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Such speculation only blossom from evil thoughts by unhappy people who do not know how to argue.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Only close-minded people would ignore the clergymen credibly accused of sexually victimizing members of it’s flock. 

        How can you pass it of as mere speculation? Are you living under a rock?

        There are reasons why it persists & blossom specifically in the church. A good start would be the pattern of abuse and cover-up was so similar across the world. The church would never acknowledge the existence of a perverted priest.

        Or perhaps it’s the celibacy that could drive these men up the wall.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “More like they blossomed in church”
        But I am correct: this statement of yours is pure speculation, and laced with malice. You have no evidence at all that these perverts “blossomed” within the church. In the past, we have never heard of these perverted priests. They grew in number only in this sick generation of ours.

        I am a Catholic, but I am with you in confounding this dastardly act. Even the Vatican is having a big headache on how to handle this internal crisis.

        And to ask if I’m living under a rock proves that, indeed, you really do not know how to argue. Once again, I win.

      • Tony Deb

        The Vatican and the bishops were engaged in covering up the sins of its priests for decades, and simply transferring sexually abusive priests to other parishes instead of expelling them…. This is an established fact. This is why the Church is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to settle cases all over the world (except here)….

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Who established this “fact”? Maybe you could help me out on this one. Thanks.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Even in the past, there have been reports of priests that “blossomed” into perverts.

        Where do you think “Noli me Tangere” was based on? pure speculation?

        They have grew in number due to 2 things.

        1. With the dawn of the information age, credible news spread faster than gossip. Information isn’t limited to your bario or barangay anymore.

        2. Population growth, simply put there are more priests.

        3. Pattern of past cover-up’s the church must take encourages priests. Heck even the CBCP cannot discipline it’s own priests. (google Raul Cabonce, simply relocated)

        I simply ask if you are living under a rock because you do not with to see the truth in front of you. Or do you not get the latest news where you live?

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “Where do you think “Noli me Tangere” was based on? pure speculation?”It’s purely satire and propaganda material bordering between blasphemy and libel. Oh, and maybe I should remind you that it’s fiction. Don’t consider the Noli as a history book, my golly…

        “They have grew in number due to 2 things.”
        Chong namán. Dapat “They have GROWN” at hindí “They have GREW”. Tsk tsk tsk…

        “1. With the dawn of the information age, credible news spread faster than gossip. Information isn’t limited to your bario or barangay anymore.”

        Wrong. You don’t know how small, compact, and tightly knit each población was during that time. But, like what I said, you don’t know such thing because you are not a historian. You are just a mere hater here in these parts. Deal with it. =)

        “2. Population growth, simply put there are more priests.”
        I don’t see the “perversion” side on this observation of yours.

        “3. Pattern of past cover-up’s the church must take encourages priests. Heck even the CBCP cannot discipline it’s own priests. (google Raul Cabonce, simply relocated)”

        I did Google the keywords. Aside from those terms/keywords, I also noticed a lot of “accused” that appeared:

        1) The 17-year old girl is accusing 47-year old priest Fr. Raul Cabonce
        2) Raul Cabonce] accused of #rape moved to Butuan bishop’s palace
        3) a 17 year-old girl filed a rape case against Butuan priest Fr. Raul Cabonce

        Was his guilt even proven? The answer is no. But do come back to me once you or anyone else has proven his guilt. My golly namán, macahanap lang ng ipambábato o…

        And hey, take this unsolicited advice (for your own sake, not mine): don’t ever use what little history you got from elementary school textbooks and English translations of old Spanish texts online just to use it to satisfy your Spanish-Church bashing. It won’t do you any good, trust me on this. Just stay at home and love your family if you have nothing positive to say.

        Regards.

      • Jairus Aragon

        It has become apparent that you have closed your mind to what is true, but i will continue nevertheless.

        1. A población would have been small, compact, and tightly knit. but it’s greatest strength is also it’s weakness. It would not have ventured far for other information, nor would it have easily believed such external information.

        Relocation of wayward priests worked back then.

        I may not be a historian but I know how a community works cause I am part of one.

        2. Population growth. Let’s say that the percentage of priest that go wayward is 1%, in a population of 100, there would be 1. In a population of 10,000, there would be 100. 

        Simple Math

        3. If you are looking for guilt proven priests here is an ever updated list:

        wwwDOTrankerDOTcom/list/christian-priests-convicted-for-sexual-abuse/robert-wabash

        (replace the DOT with a .)

        Although it is an american list, there are 424 priests convicted for sexual abuse.

        A simple google search will tell you CNN surveyed 4,450 priest were accused of sex abuse.

        ——

        Don’t let your faith blind you to the truth that there are men of the cloth who use thier position for their personal benefit. May it be financial, sexual or egotistical.

        Open your eyes.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “It has become apparent that you have closed your mind to what is true…”

        Touché. And may I inform you that, once upon a time, I was an anti-Catholic. Much WORSE than you.

        “1. A población would have been small, compact, and tightly knit. but it’s greatest strength is also it’s weakness. It would not have ventured far for other information, nor would it have easily believed such external information.”
        Purely an opinion, not substantiated by historical science.

        “Relocation of wayward priests worked back then.”
        Prove.

        “I may not be a historian but I know how a community works cause I am part of one.”
        Communities CHANGE through time. Your community today differs from communities of yesteryears. My golly…

        “2. Population growth. Let’s say that the percentage of priest that go wayward is 1%, in a population of 100, there would be 1. In a population of 10,000, there would be 100.
        Simple Math”
        No it’s not. This is simply your own stats. And like what I’ve stated above, your opinions, nay, ACCUSATIONS/ALLEGATIONS, are not substantiated by facts.

        “3. If you are looking for guilt proven priests here is an ever updated list:
        wwwDOTrankerDOTcom/list/christian-priests-convicted-for-sexual-abuse/robert-wabash
        (replace the DOT with a .)
        Although it is an american list, there are 424 priests convicted for sexual abuse.”
        I do not deny perverted priests. But you are OBVIOUSLY swerving from the issue. We we’re talking about that Filipino priest who was accused of raping a seventeen-year-old girl. You believe the accusation yourself. But the priest’s guilt hasn’t even been proven yet. Pero cung macapágsalita ca, parang talagáng may casalanan na yung pari na iyón. SO I CHALLENGE YOU NOW: prove his guilt especially since you already believe his guilty.

        “Don’t let your faith blind you to the truth that there are men of the cloth who use thier position for their personal benefit. May it be financial, sexual or egotistical.
        Open your eyes.”
        Don’t worry about that. I do not deny that there are erring priests, bishops, etc. And that also saddens and infuriates me as a Catholic. Those pervs erred, but not the teachings. Do not compare apples to oranges.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Finally you have ceded the point that there are erring priest, I believe your eyes are slightly open, but just squinting.

        1. A población would have been small, compact, and tightly knit. but it’s greatest strength is also it’s weakness.  It would not have ventured far for other information, nor would it have easily believed such external information.

        It is mearly conjucture, but it’s a logical one.

        It is the reason why relocation of wayward priest worked back then. It doesn’t work nowadays because imported criminally convicted US priests, can’t seem to shake of the conviction.

        google “Fr. Joseph Skelton Jr.”

        2. You do not seem to understand percentages, so i’ll rephrase.

        a. A percentage of the priest are wayward.
        b. If the population of priest go up, 
        the number of priest that are wayward also go up.

        It is not an accusation, it’s a simple mathematical concept.

        3. Is it not horrendous enough that the priest was credibly accused of rape?

        I can attempt to arbitrating it, there are only 2 grounds to consider

        Article 266-A. Rape section a.

        By a man who shall have carnal knowledeg of a woman through force, threat or intimidation.

        The victim, Leah, was threatened with a curse and an end to her scholarship to prevent her from telling anyone about her ordeal.”

        According to the victim, there were 
        “Subsequent molestations, the last one ending in rape, happened on March 3 and 14,” 

        Article 266-A. Rape section b.

        “By any person who, under any of the circumstances mentioned in paragraph 1 hereof, shall commit an act of  sexual assault by inserting his penis into another person’s mouth or anal orifice, or any instrument or object, into the genital or anal orifice of another person.”

        The victim was raped on march 3 & 14. It happened.

        The only thing proving the 2 ground above lies on the testimony of the victim against the testimony of the accuser that it didn’t happen.

        If i were the judge, I would be more influence with a more detailed explanation of what happened, how & when, rather than a alibi of what did not happen.

        It is true that there is a difference between the messengers and the message. 
        I just hoped the messengers practised the message they preach.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “Finally you have ceded the point that there are erring priest, I believe your eyes are slightly open, but just squinting.”

        Don’t celebrate too much. Who ceded? LOL! I never even denied that there were no erring priests in the first place.
        “It is mearly conjucture, but it’s a logical one.”Unfortunately, your conjecture stands out from what you perceive as “logical”. It’s not even logical per se; it’s all supposition.”It is the reason why relocation of wayward priest worked back then.”You have still failed to prove it. I’m still waiting for a REAL answer since you seem to know about these things which have “escaped” the best of all historians this country has offered to the world.”It is not an accusation, it’s a simple mathematical concept.”Correct or not, it doesn’t mean a thing. You have no record of stats in the first place. So why waste both of our time on that? My golly.”The victim was raped on march 3 & 14. It happened.”It’s totally useless to cite those articles. An obvious attempt from your part to swerve. Look. The issue here is this: you firmly believe that the girl was raped by the priest. You said it happened. But the priest hasn’t even been convicted yet. Ang galíng mo, chong. So go ahead and prove it to all of us. Simple lang dapat yan sa’yó. May prueba ca, eh.I am waiting for your proof. LOL!

      • Jairus Aragon

        delete

      • Jairus Aragon

        delete

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        Of course. Delete. Because all you have is NOTHING but allegations. You allow yourself to be dragged by trial by publicity. Shame.

      • Jairus Aragon

        No, delete because the entire thing was not posted. Look again.

      • Jairus Aragon

        delete

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        You are so poor in argumentation and debate (no wonder you are an expert in ad hominems and swerving from topics). Dude, the topic here is that 47-year-old priest accused of rape. He is not convicted yet. In law, that simply means he is innocent until proven guilty. But you, being the loudmouth anti-Catholic that you are, you have already denied him of that benefit of the doubt. To yourself, that priest is already guilty. Yun lang ang pinág-úusapan, cung saán-saán ca pa nagpúpupunta para lang MACALUSÓT.

        Stick to OUR issue. You want me to believe you that that priest is guilty. Then prove it. State your facts.

        I’m waiting.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Here’s the original argument, the entire thing was moderated because of a single word.

        1. A psychological study stated that

        “Closed communities can reject new ideas and suffer from ‘groupthink,’ paralysing their ability to respond to external input (Nemeth, 1987).”

        Historically, the Church has typically addressed sexual abuse as an internal matter. Abusive priests were sanctioned under canon law and received treatment from specialized Catholic service agencies, with relatively few of the offending priests becoming involved in the criminal justice system.

        Some bishops knew of the crimes. 
        Abusers were simply moved to different locations.
        The Church is widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops 

        knew about the crimes committed, but reassigned the accused instead of seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood.

        (Bruni, A Gospel of Shame, p. 336)
        (Steinfels, A People Adrift)

        2. So you finally see it to be true. I need not elaborate.

        3. I did not swerve. I remember you challenging me to prove it, so i did. 

        Ofcourse it would be better if i had both the testimonies of the accused and the defendant.

        The victim’s testimony is the proof you asked for. It is a common form of evidence in law. You can test it for reliability, but it is a declaration of a fact.

        “According to the Archbishop Orlando Quevedo, president of the Catholic Bishops Conference, about 200 of the country’s 7,000 priest may have commited “sexual misconduct” – including child abuse, homosexuality and affairs – over the past two decades”

        This is the official statement of the CBCP. It acknowledges the facts, why won’t you.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        But from the original premise, you actually proved WHAT?!

        N.O.T.H.I.N.G.

      • Jairus Aragon

        I proved that there are erring priest. That even the CBCP officially acknowledges that there are 200 of 7,000 priest may have commited “sexual misconduct”

        I’ve taught you of the mathematical concept of percentages & how it applies to population growth. and with a simple calculation, the current percentage is 2.8%.

        I’ve shown that the relocation of wayward priest was prevalent & well known fact.

      • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

        “I proved that there are erring priest. That even the CBCP officially acknowledges that there are 200 of 7,000 priest may have commited ‘sexual misconduct’.”
        You still don’t get it. There is nothing to prove. That is a known fact. AGAIN, I agree with you on this. The bone of contention is this: that 40-something-year-old priest that was accused of rape. While he is not yet convicted, you have already judged him as guilty. That is what I’m asking you to prove. Wow. I bet you will ignore this AGAIN.

        “I’ve taught you of the mathematical concept of percentages & how it applies to population growth. and with a simple calculation, the current percentage is 2.8%.”
        I have no problem with the calculation. It is correct. But you don’t have the actual number of erring priests during the Spanish times. That is the problem. You’ve established a formula even without the stats. My golly…

        “I’ve shown that the relocation of wayward priest was prevalent & well known fact. ”
        Again, useless. Many other people have already proven that. And it’s not what we were arguing about in the first place.

  • andrew lim

    Just to update you guys, the number of professors who signed that manifesto has increased from 160 to 192.  There was one subtraction after it was corrected.  

    So the new total is 192 AdMU professors.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

      Who pushes the interest of God in this RH Bill Debate? Where is God in this discussion? There are obvious data and supposedly there are obvious solutions to this. But the culture of DEATH that the RH Bill cunningly wants to achieve may cause extinction of humanity. Let us look at this once the fetus survives contraception, he is facing abortion. If he survives abortion, he is threatened by eugenics. If he survives eugenics and get married, he is tempted for divorce. Another option for divorce is same-sex marriage. And ultimately, he may end up receiving euthanasia. God works in mysterious ways.The culture of death agenda is to put an end to life. Or to prevent it to begin. 

      • Sunrun

        Why don’t you read the RH bill before you comment? There’s nothing there that
        pushes abortion. In fact it explicitly states that abortion is illegal!

    • http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Lucky Luciano

       Thanks to Sotto.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      Thanks to the Brave 192.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6IBBCSLCZGHLXXUNDJVO267YCU Le Boyd

    pakyu catholic church!

  • sacrebleau

    A breakaway group of Catholics that do not believe in the CBCP could result from this. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUW7UXRWMOUWUDZQMQODGNKJ6Q Read

    Who pushes the interest of God in this RH Bill Debate? Where is God in this discussion? There are obvious data and supposedly there are obvious solutions to this. But the culture of DEATH that the RH Bill cunningly wants to achieve may cause extinction of humanity. Let us look at this once the fetus survives contraception, he is facing abortion. If he survives abortion, he is threatened by eugenics. If he survives eugenics and get married, he is tempted for divorce. Another option for divorce is same-sex marriage. And ultimately, he may end up receiving euthanasia. God works in mysterious ways.The culture of death agenda is to put an end to life. Or to prevent it to begin. 

  • remyr

    So, true.  We go to our church (whatever it maybe) because of our Faith, and our God and not because of “man” who is currently seated there.  Ang question lang naman dito is kung may karapatan ang simbahang Katoliko sa case ng Ateneo professors, unfortunately, meron.  Some may not be Catholics or not practicing the faith, and some may have their opinion on RH (pro), but still they are tied by their laws of their employers and also their contract – to practice and teach what the Church has put into so they cannot say anything that will be against the teachings.  For sure, they have signed contracts when they became faculty members of the school and for sure, may kasulatan iyan.  LUX in Domino..Light in The Lord – how can you be a light in the Lord if you defy the teachings of God?  Colors, Blue and White – adopted from Mary, their devotion to Mary.  Mary obeyed and followed God even when Her Son was taken from her.  These do not just pertain to the Students, but more so, to the Staff and Faculty – for they are the students’ guardians.  These members are part of the institution, represent the institution, and bound to teach the Children of Ateneo, what is taught by the Catholic Church.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Right.

      Parents send their children to Ateneo in order to be instructed and informed about the Catholic Church.

      It’s called “shortchanged” if instead, they are given the private opinions of some individuals, no matter how brilliant these ideas may seem to them.

      Or else, change your motto. From “Lux in Domino” to
      “Send us your children and they will loose their faith.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         Sorry I meant,
        “Send us your children and they will lose their faith.”

      • APVF

        “Parents send their children to Ateneo in order to be instructed and informed about the Catholic Church.”

        Parents send their children to Ateneo because it is one of the premiere educational institutions in the country. Its being Catholic is probably one of the last few things given consideration by parents. Anyway, not all of Ateneo’s students are Catholic in the first place. We even have Muslims. 

        “Sends us your children and they will lose their faith.”

        My faith in God was deepened thanks to some of the professors who have signed the statement of support. Two years of studying Philosophy and Theology in Ateneo have taught me more about God than two DECADES of regularly attending mass in my local church. 

        I went to Ateneo and my faith was SAVED. The same goes for many, many Ateneans. 

  • IsipPinoy

     The CBCP represents the Fr. Damasos and not the Fr. Florentinos.

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      You should mean Padre Salvi. Padre Dámaso is not the main villain in the Noli. It’s Salvi.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       CBCP, in all humility, is the voice of the Catholic Church in the Philippines.

      • suburbanmother

        If it’s the voice of the Catholic Church, then how come majority of the catholics support the RH bill? Shouldn’t their stance reflect this?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    DESPARATION of the DAMASOS

    • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

      “Desparation” daw.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       It’s desperation.

      Even in Grammar you are wrong.

  • totoy_15

    You can demote these people to sub-peons, if that’s the way it works according to the Catholic religion, that should be fine. Dismissing them from their jobs, however, is an altogether different subject. These are bound by the laws of the republic, not canon or any religious laws. They will have to stand in labor court and justify why they are terminating their employees. Otherwise, you wull have to dig deep in your pockets for a lawsuit. And by the wayT, that will be your pockets too  for you who give it up during Sundays. The government and the constitution serves not only Catholics or Christians, it equally protects other people of faith or those who has none. The church should quit ramming these monolithic choices down our throats, and leave it to the individual which path to choose. Faith is a covenant between a person and his/her god, or whatever entity or idea he/she believes in. Nobody should tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her own body, as long as it does not infringe on any other person’s right. If she be damned for her choices, let it be on her own acccount, not the Churches. I certainly would demand the same right for myself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Do you mean that the “Republic” will tell the Church what Catholics should believe and what they should not believe?

      Are you Obama under disguise?

    • agaylaya

      Actually the Church can not do anything about the employment status of the professors. This is ADMU’s call. They can be excommunicated by the Church but ADMU can disregard this altogerther. The Church can also prevent the University in using the word Catholic appended to its name and it can even defrock all the Jesuits, but it can go on as a University given government recognition as such. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    What kind of organization is it that does not discipline its members?
    Why should some readers invoke “separation of Church and State” in a purely internal affair inside Ateneo University?
    Should there be freedom of expression within the confines and premises of a religious institution? Has anyone seen a non-Muslim speak against Islam inside a mosque?
    How stupid can one get to insist that the Church representing God would have to give in to the demands of “free will and conscience” by some its members who go against the teachings of the Church?
    If anyone does not agree with the rules and regulations of a school, get out of the school and rant all you want outside the school. You should be ashamed of your double-faced, double-talk, and shameless display of arrogance against the authorities who hired you and trusted you to be deserving professors/teachers of Ateneo University. What can you say, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, S.J.?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LIAI3J4PISMOGFVMB4PLRZIMOI str8boy

      it’s a ‘UNIVERSITY’, intiendes? if you know your greek ‘katolikos’ means ‘universal’…kung  walang academic freedom sa isang tinatawag na ‘university’ dapat ‘institute’ o ‘school’ lang ang itawag sa kanila.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         Academic freedom is limited by reality. It’s academic freedom of “human being” not “academic freedom of gods”.

        It seems that the people of Ateneo are ALSO under God. Well…they don’t know this yet. But I hope that little by little they will accept it.

    • Jairus Aragon

      Actually the church is the most popular organization that does not discipline its members.

      Ex. A Fr. Raul Cabonce after being charged with rape was simply relocated to another parish.

      Even a collection of bishops have no authority over him.

      “As a matter of policy, the CBCP has no authority over the diocese of Butuan because each bishop has his own power and authority over his own authority… so the CBCP cannot tell them what to do and what not to do,”

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         Why don’t you make up your mind?

        You say that the Church is too authoritative, “Inquisition”…

        and now that is not authoritative enough.

        Which side do you want?

      • Jairus Aragon

        Although my words ring true about the lack of disciplinary action of the church among it’s own ranks? 

        Is there a shortage of man-power that you just can’t ‘fire’ priests?

        Yet this is what they suggest to an external academic body.

        + I don’t think there has been an inquisition of the internal members of the clergy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2WTTL6FMGU4D7YZQNHAXBVO2DU Betz Chui

    HERESY? in this day and age? Was that Galileo who was accused of heresy for saying the earth is not the center of universe a few hundred years ago?   Now, this day and internet age, it is heresy to say that: the RH bill would provide much-needed maternal and infant health care to all Filipinos regardless of religious beliefs!!

    Seryoso pa sila? Baka naman nagbibiro lang, hehehe.

    • superpilipinas

      H-he-he-Heresy is not limited to the past. Catholics have the monopoly to declare what’s heresy. Unlike in the past, heresy now is limited to Catholics. It does not cover non-Catholics. So non-Catholics shouldn’t be afraid.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

      The church also burned JOAN of ARC alive for Heresy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         You may say so…

        But historically, it was a tribunal of English, Burgundian people and a certain Cauchon, Bishops of Beauvais.

        Nevertheless, if you want to continue in your historical error…go ahead. No problem with me.

        It’s the second time you come up with the same shibboleth…pare ko, change the record.

  • BatangSingapore

    Pag sisibakin nyo na lahat yan mga teachers ninyong taksil.  hindi namin kailangan ang ganyan klaseng mga teachers.

    • andrew lim

      do that and Ateneo becomes as small and small minded as Kapuluan Study Center in QC. ha ha ha ha

      baka bumaba level ng Ateneo into UST or Letran in terms of academic excellence.

      Wait a minute, is academic excellence inversely proportional to adherence to Catholic teaching? ha ha ha

      • BatangSingapore

        tigilan ang kayabang at imulat ang isipan.  ang daming teachers na magagaling.  tignan ko kung hindi umikot tumbong ng mga teachers na yan kapag sila ay sisibakin na hahhahahahha.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    ITALY and ISRAEL have Universal RH for their people. They are the Original Christians.Sobrang TRYING HARD mga idiot bishops.82% of Pinoys want RH Bill to Pass!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Some Jews formed the Christian Church (not all). Instead, the majority persecuted and killed the Christians (ask St. Steven, Martyr).

      You should not say “idiot bishops” in the same way we do not say :idiot Hein blogger”…

      …no need to write what is obvious!

  • adoremus

    This is non-issue. The problem is some people brag and call themselves Catholic but all they do is blast the church and its doctrines. Ang tawag sa mga taong ito, katok-liko. If one doesn’t believe in the teachings, break away then criticize the church, hindi naman bawal tumiwalag. But if you don’t and still whine and call them names, you are just one hypocrittical homos taking a ride. Get!

    • brunogiordano

      “The problem is some people brag and call themselves Catholic..”

      ito ang mga PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL CATHOLICS na nag-bubulgar ng mga kabahuan ng mga CONSERVATIVE/TRADIONALIST/FUNDAMENTALIST na namumuno ngayon sa simbahan katoliko.

      itong mga CONSERVATIVE/TRADIONALIST/FUNDAMENTALIST ang dapat ITIWALAG sa simbahan katoliko. SILA ANG ANG HINDI NANINIWALA SA ORIGINAL TEACHINGS ng kanilang SIMBAHAN.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         That’s your opinion…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LIAI3J4PISMOGFVMB4PLRZIMOI str8boy

    oo basta wag rin isapilitan ng mga obispo na ang paniniwala nila ay isabatas para quits lang. NO to CBCP interference with state laws! kung ayaw niyo mag-condom, eh di wag kayo mag-condom wag niyong ipagpilitang hwag gumamit ang ibang tao!

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Taking away the education of the children from the parental authority is not a “State Law”

      Actually it is not a law at all because it contradicts Natural Law.

      One cannot escape being “human”

      And having parents is a part of being “human”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LIAI3J4PISMOGFVMB4PLRZIMOI str8boy

    oo, tingnan mo UST, 300 years old na, kulelat pa rin sa asia…hahahaha

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Yes. But there is a difference…
      The good people of UST believe in God and have faith in Christ and his Church…and obey the legitimate hierarchy…
      instead of proudly relying on their own private judgment against the judgment of the Church.

      • Jairus Aragon

        Morality is doing what’s right regardless of what you’re told.
        Obedience is doing what is told regardless of what is right.

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         Not really…

        Morality is to conform with God’s law, which is partly engraved in your heart and clearly explained by the Church, Christ’s Bride.

        Obedience is to do (not just to pretend to do) what  God wants you to do, as you are told by the person who represents God at that moment (your parents,  the civil authorities within their attributions, the traffic police when he tells you to stop, etc.

      • Gerry los banos

         Isn’t that precisely the sort of mentality that lead to the persecution of those who, long ago, insisted that the Earth was round and not the center of the universe contrary to the teachings of the Church?

      • Jairus Aragon

        If there is a discord between 
        what God wants you to do & 
        what the person who represents God tells you.

        Should you rely on God’s law which is partially engraved in your heart (morality)

        And if your private judgement based on your morality tells you to not obey the legitimate hierarchy of the church? 

        Should you be judged for it?

      • kagitingan

        Padre Damaso!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q44GBKJ4VU2P732IVRSVYA45Z4 Ned

    A disperate move!

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Yes; painful move of the bishops who face a proud and stubborn (supposedly faithful) crowd.

  • RNKR2005

    What bother’s me is the Church willing to excommunicate Catholics espousing population control. Why, is that a sin? Jesus Christ came down here to save the sinners, now the Catholic Church is excommunicating them? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       Did Jesus Christ tell the woman caught in adultery: “It’s OK with me. Go on with prostitution; you have my blessings to continue sinning. After all you are from Ateneo!

      • Jairus Aragon

        He told them

        “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

        The church should stop judging people & continue with their mandate of love.

        “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

         My dear friend the Church has the mandate to say the truth, whether you like it or not.

        I guess that the  “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” applies ALSO to you. Does it not?

      • kagitingan

        padre DAMASO

      • RNKR2005

        I’m not sure about this, but did Jesus condemn Judas for something that is yet to happen? As far as I know, Jesus’ harshest words were against the religious leaders of his time, like the ones who led the adulterer into the Temple. So forgive me for being wary of believing hook, line & sinker everything said by today’s religious leaders.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2OGCQGFL6ZFWQAB6HMJBGD3NWE Lorelei

         What did Jesus said to the Pharisees? Those of you without sin cast the first stone… What happened next… All of them disappear. You should know why?

  • Mattino2011

    CBCP acts like they have a little Vatican here in the Philippines. Some teachings during the 1st and 2nd Vatican council in fact was repudiated, like the “limbo belief…” and much more the belief that only those in the Catholic church will be saved.PPVI also has reach out to other religions, not to convert them but unite in one belief commonest of all

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

       Better research more re: the Catholic Church and Its Teachings & Doctrines.
      Your comments have gone “haywire”. There is no repudiation of the “limbo” doctrine.
      The acceptance of “salvation of non-Catholics” had been done in the 1920’s or earlier.

      • Mattino2011

         Apr. 20, 2007 Update: Catholic Church buries limbo after centuries
        The Pope will this week overturn a belief held by Roman Catholics since medieval times by abolishing the concept of Limbo.
        Limbo is traditionally held to be the place where the souls of children go if they die before they can be baptised and so freed from original sin.

  • Guest

    Umpisahan tagain ng mataas na buwis ang mga malilibog na panatikong lintik, pagkatapos kapunin. Umiiral ang malakas nilang panlilinlang dahil sa mga mangmang at mapamanhiing walang sariling pagiisip.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LIAI3J4PISMOGFVMB4PLRZIMOI str8boy

    he is not referring to who the ‘main villain’ he is referring to the hypocrisy. 

  • andrew lim

    The Jesuits are in a bind. They are the most critical thinkers among the religious orders under the Catholic church. The CBCP order is essentially an order to stop thinking.

    My proposal is to put all religious talk in the Loyola School of Theology and convert the rest of the AdMU into a secular school. Students can now choose to receive religious instruction if they wish in the Loyola School. Those who prefer a secular education can do so in AdMU.

    There is no way AdMU can survive without those 192 professors, whose expertise and credentials are immense. There is no way for AdMU can survive also  without those students (majority of whom support RH, based on that Guidon survey in 2011) paying those ridiculous tuition fees.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

      I do not think your proposal will find practicality or acceptability
      with the “regents” of ADMU.

      Regarding “ridiculous tuition fees”…, ask Manny Pacquiao how much tuition does he pay for his sons registraion/enrollment at the “International School”.

  • eye_in_the_sky

    The passing of the RH Bill for the Catholic Church is not just a bill. For the church hierarchy, it is the indicator of its power. Since Marcos, they succeeded to oppose it, and succeeded. If they lose now, it means, they have lost the power.

    That quite a lot to lose. So fight, even if you lose sensibility.

    Let the bill become a law.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

       I agree with you in part.
      The way I see it…, it is more of the Church fighting for “amor propio” or “Pride”.

  • padrefaura

    Dear Bishops and Priests,

    kung against Contraception kayo, bakit kayo mismo, bawal magkaanak?

    your flock. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_44QGTQXFYHNVPNMX453LWBPMXM Opel

    between the faculty members and the cbcp, its obvious that the faculty members have better credibility; thats coming from a catholic who goes to church regularly. this is a case of bullying, we are no longer in the spanish era, let every filipino decide on what family planning method to follow. 

  • Enrique Sanchez

    It’s about time. The Church has the right to correct an erring Catholic institution.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

       “…erring Catholic institution”…?.?.?
      WHAT erring Catholic institution?
      WHAT did it ‘erred’…?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC3LXIXDLXPN224JR6HP3PL3MQ reynaldo

    I a am an Atenean and I believe that the teachers at Ateneo which is a Catholic institution has to choose whether to obey or disobey and to leave. They should not use their positions to endorse a bill which is contrary to the teachings of the Church which they are working for. That is betrayal

    • Jairus Aragon

      I am an Atenean and I support the teachers who have clearly & un-anonymously stepped forward with their support for a bill they believe is right. Despite knowing the default stance the university must hold. That is courage.

    • jgl41456

      Aw c’mon do not impose the middle ages mindset on us the inquisition was the biggest blunder the RC church has committed right!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

       I hope the teachings of any church should not be brought as a main component in debating a political or state issue.

      You know naman…, separation of Church and State.

  • Juan D. L. Cruz

    Heretic and Filibuster is the title of Chapter 4 of Rizal’s first novel where Don Rafael Ibarra (Crisostomo Ibarra’s father) was also accused of being a heretic for standing up for what he believed was right. In the novel, Don Rafael Ibarra defended a boy who was being physically beaten by an uneducated tax collector. He was subsequently put in prison and died there although what he did was honorable.

    For whatever reason, I remembered that story. It’s a good read.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

       A really good book…, BUT still a FICTION.

      • Juan D. L. Cruz

        Yes, a FICTION. I absolutely agree with you.

        A fiction that incensed the church and the secular authority at the time so much  that the author was himself labeled a heretic.

      • Tony Deb

        ….and executed for his writings.

  • ushldcallme

    how many of these 159 faculty members are nuns and priests?

  • $23228448

    so glad this evil empire is on a self destruct mode

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

      WRONG…, on both points.

      1) the Catholic Church has NEVER been an “evil empire”.
      It is some people in high places who give the Curch a bad name. Human nature as it is.
      The TEACHINGS & RULES & DOGMAS of the CHURCH has always been SOLID, but NEVER EVIL.

      2) The Catholic Church have gone through worse “storms” as this and has emerged STRONGER than EVER.

      • $23228448

        like you said …..wrong on both points

      • Tony Deb

        If you go to Catholic Churches in France, Spain, Germany, Italy during Sundays, they are practically empty…mostly old people attending mass. I saw it with my own eyes in Paris. The Catholic Church is dying in the place where it gained secular power…

  • brunogiordano

    “Catholic Church goes after Ateneo professors for heresy”

    WOW!! GALIT NA TALAGA ang mga CONSERVATIVE/TRADITIONALIST/FUNDAMENTALIST DAMASONG OBISPO ng CBCP.

    lahat ng hindi naniniwala sa kanila ay mga HERETICS na.

    ano ang gagawin ng mga PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL PRO-CHOICE CATHOLICS ngayon.

    TOE-THE-LINE o mag-underground????

    ang mga ATENEO PROFESSORS (MGA HERETICS daw) ay ang ating bago GOMBURZA.

  • el_latigo

    Oh man!!!! What’s happening to the world Fulpy????

     And I thought since the notorious Middle Ages mass murderer Dominican priest and Grand Inquisitor (the tag itself evokes terror among the faithful perhaps during that dark period) Tomas de Torquemada, O.P. (Order of Preachers), has been long dead and buried with him that infamous and murderous The Inquisition he perpetrated  during  the Middle Ages where around 2,000 people (count ‘em Fulpy, 2,000) were burned at the stakes supposedly for being heretics, there would be no repetition of this one of the “worst mistake” ever by my chosen religion. And now here comes the self-righteous men-of-the cloth (not men of God, ha?) once again threatening to revive this most controversial, if not the most notorious crime,  that men-of-the-cloth has ever perpetrated on mankind. Luckily these Ateneo professors are only being “excommunicated” not burned at the stakes just for being pro RH Bill. If the so-called “Catholic Church” (is it truly God’s Church? I cannot help asking myself now) cannot liberate itself from the Dark Ages that is has long been mired in, in what seems to be in a state of suspended animation, then quo vadis Catholic Church?

    No wonder that the RC religion is fast losing many of their flocks to other Christian sects such as Born Agains, INC, etc.and many soon may  follow I’m afraid if the church continues to dictate it’s questionable mandates to the faithful. It does not at all believe in that thing called Freedom of Choice, obviously, while God ironically does. That is why He gave each and everyone of us that little voice in us called: Conscience.  

    Damasos of the Philippines, try making true your threat to excommunicate men who are just following their consciences and I will be the one of the first to excommunicate you from my chosen faith, without having to follow your every questionable whims and caprices, many of them involving dirty politics.

    • jgl41456

      You are absolutely right, these bishops have ceased to be relevant and are imposing their misguided will to the public when in fact many of them received gifts from the evil woman!

      You have no moral ascendancy you hipocrites you are nothing but modern day pharisees condemned by Jesus for doing the opposite of what they preach, SHAME ON YOU!!

  • pening

    This is a good thing, Catholicism will be discussed, more minds will be open and bishops,priests nuns will be put in the right place inthe 21st century.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ODXNABWLB2FC7DZIAKB3H7EK6I Harel Mari

      by “right place” do you mean not interfering with the government? so your saying that our government should exclude the church in it’s laws? if so, i have one word for you “chaos”.

  • dequis

    baka iyang mga bakla ninyong propesor kung hindi man susuporta sa RH Bill, baka puro kabaklaan, puro same sex marriage ang sasabihin ng mga iyan sa studiante ninyo. tuloy estudiante ninyong si Carabuena tinatago ang pagkabakla nagtapangtapangan mang-away kay Mang Ruping. Ayan o, si Danton Remoto, susmarosep iyang propesor ninyong iyang, nagpapasampal pa ng itits iyan, pinanghihilamos ang domat.

  • akramgolteb

    Mga Tita ginagawa ninyong career ang pagusig sa mga guro na sa tingin ninyo ay lumalabag sa mga patakaran ninyo, OK lang yan. Pero ano naman ang ginagawa ninyo sa mga kabaro ninyong pare na may sexual molestation cases? Wala pa tayong naririnig na pare na na-excomunicate o nakulong  dahil sa pangmolestiya sa mga menor de edad na bata. Bakit kaya hindi muna ito ang i-career ninyo?

    Sa bagay kung walang RH bill mas dadami ang mga bata na pwede ninyong molestiyahin.

  • RNKR2005

    Ano kaya ang pinagbabawal sa contract ng mga professors ng Ateneo? If thet get fired illegally, I hope they sue everybody responsible for their termination.

    • http://twitter.com/ernestonoel1 hopelovefaith

      that works.  good thinking.

  • http://twitter.com/jphilipbernval jphilipvernbal

    what a misleading headline.  bishop medroso is not the catholic church.  and where is the going after?  the article is insinuating that it is a done deal already.  inquirer, talaga. exag kung minsan.

    • Guest

      Hindi minsan. MADALAS!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ODXNABWLB2FC7DZIAKB3H7EK6I Harel Mari

        more like ALWAYS

  • 4kingdaddy

    if i am teaching trigonometry in any catholic school or university for that matter, am i obligated to include in my subject to mention God to my students to appease the institution and CBCP?….what if i mentioned to my class i am for RH Bill 4244, but did not elaborate further my reasons, will i be subjected by CBCP and the institution where i teach to termination of my job???  pray tell me, bishop medroso, is freedom of speech in the catholic heirarchy null and void???…and the archbishop of cebu is allowed to make a threat??..where’s justice here?…..if we have one….

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       You are basically a human being; only ONE.

      Therefore, I don’t thin you can separate your religious beliefs from your behaviour. Unless, of course, you are schizophrenic and you can switch off your being a Christian from being a person.

      • 4kingdaddy

        i am not antagonizing the christians, per se, it is the leaders who live luxuriously in their palaces thru the tithes of both the rich and the poor… and that includes you…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

        Why is the Philippines’ Council of Bishops “Over-reacting” on the “RH”…,
        in comparison to their counterpart in Spain and Italy, whose reactions to a similar
        “proposition” was way much “milder and passive”…?

    • http://www.facebook.com/charles.b.lopez Charles Belmonte Lopez

       The bishop of Cebu is also the chief of the CBCP. He’s not threatening.
      He is declaring the reality.
      If anyone rejects the Catholic morality in fundamental issues, that persons places himself in conflict with the Catholic morality. His “being a Catholic” is seriously damaged; whether he acknowledges it or not..

      • 4kingdaddy

        you talk about catholic morality?….look yourselves first in the mirror…then we can talk about morality….and while we’re at it, check the comments recently posted above me

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ODXNABWLB2FC7DZIAKB3H7EK6I Harel Mari

        thats the problem with us people. we dont acknowledge what we are doing is immoral. we give reasons as to every act we do. zz. have you ever asked this question? “what actions are immoral if we always give a reason for every act we do?”

      • 4kingdaddy

        “what actions are immoral if we always give a reason for every act we do?”

        would you please ask the same question to the priests who are pedophiles and have concubines??… i’ve not heard one acknowledgment yet from the catholic heirarchy although it is widely known to the public…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

        What does this “Catholic morality in fundamental issues” …mean?

        Is this the same kind of fundamental issues that the Catholic Church stood for during the time of Marco Polo, when they (the Bishops & the Church) believed that the world was flat, and the Sun revolved around the Planet-Earth…?

        Is(are) this(these) “fundamental issues”…,
        1) a Dogma…,
        2) an “EX-Cathedra” of the Pope…;
        3) or something else…?