Enrile grills Neda chief on population, economics

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Arsenio Balisacan of NEDA. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

Director General Arsenio Balisacan of the National Economic Development Authority didn’t know what hit him.

He could only hem and haw when questioned by Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on the relationship between population and economic growth.

On the hot seat briefing the Senate on the Aquino administration’s proposed annual budget of P2.006 trillion for 2013, Balisacan was making a case for how neighboring economies took off because  their “dependent” population of young citizens shrank while their labor forces grew when Enrile intervened.

“Are you suggesting (we) adopt … population control in the country?” asked Enrile, who attended a rally sponsored by the Catholic Church on Saturday in a show of clout—somehow dampened by monsoon rain—against a perceived administration move to ram through the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill in the House of Representatives.

“Ah, I don’t think, sir, that we need to really provide the same level of access to the poor in terms of…” Balisacan trailed off.

“All right, I’ll reverse the question,” Enrile interposed. “What in your opinion as an economist and in charge of national economic development, what should be the ideal level of population growth for the country?”

“I, I, I, sir, I think that we can move naturally in the same way…” Balisacan stammered.

“You’re the economist, you must have an idea,” Enrile said.

Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.

Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.

Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”

“In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.

Sen. Ralph Recto interposed, saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.”

Enrile’s recipe for growth

Enrile then turned to other economic managers present at the hearing—Budget Secretary Florencio Abad, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima and Bangko Sentral Governor Amando Tetangco Jr.

He asked them to provide the Senate figures on growth rates of government investments, private internal investments and foreign investments in the Philippines.

“For me, these are the most important ingredients of growth in any country. It’s not population. I’m sorry but that’s my position,” Enrile said. “China, Vietnam, Japan, all the prosperous countries did not grow by themselves. They grew because of massive investments.”

Economists say China upon the death of Mao Zedong eschewed socialist policies and embraced capitalist ways, particularly in agriculture and manufacturing, thereby transforming the world’s most populous nation into the second biggest global economic powerhouse.

Another factor in China’s development was massive foreign investments as part of an inclusive economic thrust, meaning everyone is a beneficiary of development, as opposed to an extractive economy run by the elite, meaning profit largely goes to the ruling class.

The World Bank says foreign direct investments in the Philippines amounted to $1.6 billion in 2011, compared to Indonesia’s $18.26 billion. Vietnam says it received $14.7 billion in foreign direct investments last year.

The questions of Enrile, who is pushing for amendments in the Constitution’s economic provisions to encourage foreign investments in the country, were a reaction to a warning by the country representative of the UN Population Fund that the nation’s economic development was being threatened by inaction on the RH bill.

Head-scratching Drilon

Sen. Franklin Drilon, chair of the Senate finance committee, later told reporters of Balisacan’s performance, “Like a typical economist, the answer was so guarded and with so many assumptions that honestly, I could not figure out where exactly he stands in relation to population and the economy.”

Balisacan sounded more articulate during an ambush interview by reporters after Enrile left.  Speaking in a firmer voice, the Neda boss said “rapid” population growth constrained the country’s ability to move to a higher long-term growth path.

He said the Aquino administration’s game plan was to “break away from the high dependence or high contribution of young age population to total population.”

“We would want to see growth in population coming from the labor force. In other words, there should be a demographic transition,” Balisacan said.

He said this was being undertaken by the Philippines’ more progressive neighbors like South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Adopting the same strategy would allow the poor in the country to use their limited resources for “better education, health and nutrition for their children.”

He said this would make the poor “highly productive adults when they join the labor force.”

Asked whether his statements meant support for the RH bill, Balisacan replied, “The intent of the bill is really to provide opportunities for poor people to manage their own family size, to provide their children better opportunities through health and education investments.”

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  • diegogo

    It seems Balisacan came unprepared that’s why Enrile was able to eat him alive. That is inexcusable. Surely he must have known what sort of questions to expect from the senators, most specially from Enrile. I had high regards for him before this shameful performance. But now, I don’t know. If you are going to make public statement that correlates population growth to economic growth, you better be confident and articulate enough to defend your stand. Was he just avoiding confrontation with the anti-Rh senators? I sure hope so.

    • just_anotherperson

      NEDA Director di alam ang sinasabi!  Total Fertility Rate daw ay 2.1%.  Hindi niya alam ang total fertility rate.  Matalino yang si Balicasan, dating Dean ng UP School of Economics pero kahit sinong tao hindi kayang idepensa ang maling ideya kung ang kausap ay matalino rin.

      Naalala ko tuloy yung debate sa TV5 kung saan yung tv audience na nagpasimulang 50% in favor of RH ay naging 0% in favor of RH matapos mapalinawagan.

    • Michael Paras

      He should have known that fertility rate is not growth rate. That would have shut Enrile up immediately as our growth rate and fertility rate is almost twice the world’s average.

      1.98% growth rate compared to 1.1% world average.

      3-4 range fertility rate compared to 2.1 world average.

      Sayang… Natahimik sana si Enrile. Natakot na siguro si Director kasi na bubully na siya.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        HINDI MO BA BINASA YUNG ARTICLE SA ITAAS?
        ——————–

        Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.

        Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.

        Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”

        “In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.

        Sen. Ralph Recto interposed, saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.”
        ——————-

        1.98 %  population growth rate without the rh bill.  WE DO NOT NEED THE RH BILL to control population growth.

      • Michael Paras

         Binasa ko. Mali nga eh. Magkaiba ang fertility rate sa growth rate. Hindi sila parehong bagay na pwede mo i compare sa isat isat. It’s like comparing apples to oranges.

                             Fertility rate         Growth rate
        World average:       2.1                  1.1%
        Philippine ave.:      3.15                1.98%

        Ang sinabi ni Enrile, 2.1 ang average growth rate ng mundo. Mali yun dahil 1.1% ito. Ang tinukoy niya fertility rate.

        Wag kasi maniwala kagad kay manong Enrile. Senile na eh.

      • just_anotherperson

        Kapag hindi kayang mangatuwiran, sasabihin bully, o kaya bigot.  Tapos magbibigay ng Damaso statement.

      • Michael Paras

         Pre baka nataranta lang siya, di niya pinaghandaan eh. Ako din, kung bigla ko gisahin ng boss ko kung ano nangyari sa araw na ito, sa araw na yun, asan yung figures na hinahanap niya etc etc ng sunod sunod, matataranta din ako pag di ako handa eh. :)

      • just_anotherperson

        Pre. Dating Dean yun ng UP School of Economics. At bilang NEDA head,wala siyang karapatan na mataranta kung economic development ang pinaguusapan.

      • Michael Paras

         Maybe you’re right. Thing is, most people actually conduct themselves better in direct conversations with people who are of the same/lower rank/stature as they are compared to those in their higher ups. The NEDA director actually managed to compose himself and answer in a more coherent manner during his interviews after his unfortunate run in with senator Enrile.

      • just_anotherperson

        It is not a mean feat to be coherent when you are not being questioned. Ang dami na nating naging NEDA Director na galing sa UP School of Economics pero wala pa rin improvement.

        Kailangan siguro nating NEDA Director eh yung businessman o engineer na practical ang approach, hindi yang mga economics professor na nabubuhay sa isang theoretical dreamland.

      • Michael Paras

        Maybe they should enroll in a course that would teach them how to conduct themselves properly in “surprise grilling” interviews such as the case was between him and Enrile. In terms of articulating their thoughts properly, I mean. If they have the facts with them, or if somehow they have photographic memories and can produce these figures right off the bat, then maybe the problem is they tend to get nervous and rattled when confronted by a higher up.

  • belairskycrapper

    ….  create higher population  to supply more  OFW manpower to the middle east for
         higher dollar remittance .. yes,  its  more fun to have  ” muchachas de calidad ” from the
         philippines, the world capital of domestic helpers …..
        

    • AbdullahZahir

      sad. but true…

  • spearheads

    Pasensya na kayo mga dilaw. Absent kasi sa hearing yong dalawang expert advisers ni NEDA Director Arsenio Balisacan na sina sam at tamumd (with a silent second m.) Busy sa kakapost ang mga hitad kaya nakalimutang may Senate hearing. Sayang, experts pa naman yong dalawa sa relation ng population at economic growth. Di gaya ni Balisacan na walang alam kaya nangangapa.

    • Michael Paras

      Wrong! As usual. Mali mali kasi si Enrile eh. Yan tuloy, yung mga minions niya di man lang nag research. Naniwala kagad.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        Butata na kayo, hihirit ka pa? hahaha

      • Michael Paras

         Hahaha! Tignan mo muna kasi kung sino mali. Ang tanong, pareho ba ang fertility rate at growth rate na pinagsasabi ni Enrile? Basahin mo na lang mga mas bago post sakin. Kakatamad na mag explain sa mga close minded na tulad mo.
                             
                                Fertility rate      Growth rate
        World average:       2.1                  1.1%
        Philippine ave.:      3.15                1.98%

        Tignan mo, pareho mas mataas ang satin. Basa basa lang dude. :)

      • deadlyshooter

        was it not the neda director who supplied enrile with these data? he just based his statements on what came out from the mouth of  the neda director, who then among the two is at fault. was it enrile who just relied on what the neda director said or the neda director who supplied him with erroneous data? 

      • Michael Paras

        Not really. I’ll paraphrase the part.

        Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.

        Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.

        Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”

        “In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.

        It was Enrile who made the assumption that fertility rate equates to growth rate and our growth rate is at an “acceptable” level. (Again, terrible wording from Manong Enrile when he said “acceptable”. He should have just said average). The NEDA director supplied the correct figures for both fertility (world average) and growth rate (Philippine rate).

        Edit: Improper spacing.

      • deadlyshooter

        what was really Enrile wanted to know was the population growth and the neda director responded by giving the data of the UN set for fertility rate, was it the right data to supply Enrile? of course, from his responsed, Enrile understood it as the growth rate per his query, then he supplied him with a growth rate which was below the data he supplied, thus, the neda director has mixed up his explanation, he should have responded accurately and according to what was asked, was it Enrile’s fault?

        here’s what Enrile asked :

        “…what should be the ideal level of population growth for the country?” :

        this was the data supplied :

        Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries 

        and this one:

        Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”

        why should the neda director supply the data of  the UN fertility rate then mixed it with growth rate? basing from the figures 2,1 and 1.98 without going back to what these data really mean, one would conclude that that data was still acceptable being below what was the UN set data. The neda director should have explain himself according to what was being asked…

      • Michael Paras

         Yes. That is true. I guess both were at fault. I would imagine by now that Enrile, a senator who is strongly opposed to the RH bill would have known the difference between fertility rate and growth rate. At any rate, I have made a mistake by putting all the blame on him. The NEDA director is partly to blame. Anyway, I’m off now. Thanks for the exchange of ideas. I know we may not meet eye to eye on this issue, but it’s certainly reassuring that there’s still the possibility of healthy debates springing up in this forum. Best regards and have a wonderful evening.

  • spearheads

    During Enrile’s questioning Balisacan admitted that the U.N. had set a 2.1 fertility rate for countries. When asked by Enrile how the Philippines fared, “actually we are 1.98 per cent” meaning that is way below the standard set by the U.N. Sen. Recto emphasized the obvious by saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.” Ngayon, sam, tamumd at lahat ng dilaw, asan na natin hahanapin yong sinasabi ninyong over population? Yong laughdog ninyo sa NEDA umamin ng wala sa oras. 

    • against_discrimination

       Hallo, 1.98 percent growth rate with more than half are poor and have no access to education and health! is that sustainable????? answer?? where is the logic? its not about numbers its about choice here!

      • spearheads

        Unresponsive, ask your ally Sen. Recto.

      • spearheads

        “All right, I’ll reverse the question,” Enrile interposed. “What in your opinion as an economist and in charge of national economic development, what should be the ideal level of population growth for the country?”
         
        “I, I, I, sir, I think that we can move naturally in the same way…” Balisacan stammered.
         
        “You’re the economist, you must have an idea,” Enrile said.
         
        Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.
         
        Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.
         
        Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”
         
        “In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.
         
        Sen. Ralph Recto interposed, saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.”

        Ayan basahin mo ulit. Gusto mo tagalugin ko para mo maintindihan? Kulang ka lang sa reading comprehension. UN Standard Growth Rate yan, hindi imbento.

      • against_discrimination

        hallo, it does not apply to PH! whatever is the argument! the reality is! too much, its actually counter-productive! come on these Politicos are out ot touch! kasi rich sila, di alam magutom!

    • Michael Paras

      Stop peddling outright lies!!! Enrile is totally wrong on this one.
      Fertility rate is NOT the growth rate. The average world growth rate by
      2011 was at 1.1%. We are above it by .89%. That’s almost twice the
      average figure. Hahaha! Outright BS and they didn’t even care to look up
      the definition and difference between growth rate and fertility rate.
      Total face palm to each and everyone who bought this grave error. 

  • AbdullahZahir

    can anyone educate me. for instance, the house of rep approved the proposed RH bill and the senate did not. 

    what will happen next? 

    are they going to agree to some middle ground? or that when the lower house approves a bill and the senate thumb it down then, will the whole exercise becomes voided and nullified?

    • just_anotherperson

      If the Senate and Congress cannot agree on a consolidated bill before the elections, all the work will be null and void.  They will have to start again after the elections if they want to pursue the same bill.

  • cute79

    ang tagal ko pa nmang nagtype wla rin pala nsyang lang ang sinulat ko.kakainis tong pdi

  • cute79

    Mr Enrile,birth control ang kelangan sa pinas.overpopulated na po ang pinas maawa kayo sa mga mahihirap!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NU4GKAK3T57JKDDWV6FLZIQZIA yahoo-NU4GKAK3T57JKDDWV6FLZIQZIA

    The question must be WHO IS REALLY THE HONEST POLITICIANS in the Philippines and have the political will to make a change in the lives of every Filipino today and in the future. 

    Either the RH bill be passed or not at the end of the day still the choice of every Filipino couple that will prevail as to what size of family they want to have in the future. In my opinion the Government and the Church must be together in educating every Filipino to understand the pros and cons of having a small or big family NOT to come on a DEBATE.

    RH Bill Its not actually the main bone of contention in order to resolve the current problems our Government is facing at the moment. THE PROBLEM IS THE ATTITUDE OF FILIPINO IN CHOOSING A GOOD AND HONEST POLITICIANS OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY, I believed, every Filipino voter is aware of this problem but majority don’t have the COURAGE to make a change for the Philippines and change means make an ACTION. This must be the thing that every Filipino must change their attitude in choosing a politician to serve the our Government if we are really sincere to have a better Philippines. When we cast our vote during election we must think its not only for our personal advantage but for the country’s welfare. HINDI DAPAT TAYO NAG PAPADALA SA MGA PROMISES NG MGA POLITICIANS, E BENTA ANG ATING BOTO SA POLITICIAN NA BUMIBILI NG VOTE, or MAG PADALA SA TAKOT KUNG HINDI NATIN SILA E BOTO. HETO ANG SAKIT NG BAWAT PILIPINO KAPAG MAY ELEKSYON, HETO ANG HAMON SA BAWAT PILIPINO NA MAG BAGO at KALIMUTAN NA ANG HINDI MAGANDANG KAUGALIAN SA PAG BOTO DAHIL NAKIKITA NATIN ANG MASAMANG EPEKTO NITO SA ATING BANSA ANG sobrang PASAKIT SA MAMAYANG PILIPINO NA TAYO RIN ANG MAY KAGAGAWAN.

    Let selfishness not prevail when we cast our VOTE during election. Lets be fair to ourselves and to next generation of this country. God Bless us all.

  • http://ourleftfoot.blogspot.com/ Tristanism

    In a community of 5 families (5 sets of parents) there lived 10 children. Statistically, that would be perfect: 5 sets of parents, 10 children: 2 children per family. That’s right up there with the UN prescription. 

    Thing is, the picture gets bleaker when we find out that 2 families, who are both well-off, have one child each and the remaining 8 children are divided among the rest of the not so well-off families.
    The statistics is rosy, but we all know that between two families earnings the same monthly salary, the one with the less number of children will be able to provide better for their child/children.

    Manganak lang po nang ayon sa makakaya.

  • spearheads

    Dapat ang headline ay:

    NEDA Director Arsenio Balisacan confesses to Enrile – There is no over population in the Philippines!

  • Hfxwst

    Enrile makes a silly looking bully – he is just a coward and only beats up on those who cannot defend themselves.  

    The time always comes to bullies like Enrile . it always does.

    • spearheads

      If Enrile is “silly looking” then he cannot be a bully. Your comment is an oxymoron.

      • Hfxwst

        All bullies are silly looking – as are cowards.

      • Hfxwst

        You have a poor understanding of English. Must have been taught by a non native English speaking teacher – you should consider an upgrade in England as I did.

  • bgcorg

    There is only one safe way to correlate population growth with economic growth and that is not through depopulation.  If our growth rate is 1.98 that is even below the 2.1 population growth rate that provides the happy “replacement rate,” ideal to avoid a more severe swing that is difficult to reverse by plunging into a “demographic winter.”  St. Thomas Aquinas centuries ago had enuntiated the “Golden Mean,” ( in medio stat virtus) i.e., “not too much nor too little,” which is universally applicable in any imaginable application in life.  By adopting an aggressive legislated state policy, this administration is embarking on a dangerous trail and is following blindly conditions in more advanced countries in Europe which had to outsource skilled and semi-skilled labor for lack of young manpower brought about by population control.  Recently, Bloomberg News, HSBC and our own Deputy Governor Gunigundo of the BSP attributed the country’s economic growth to its young workforce while the economies of those countries with aggressive population control measures are experiencing economic stagnation and even precarious national debts.  Had we many years ago adopted an aggressive depopulation policy, we would not have achieved this bright spot in the world economy.  The trend by more advanced economies is on the negative side and adopting an aggressive, legislated birth control policy now as in the rh bill, could entirely remove our competitive advantage in the world economy.  It seems that there is a natural complementariness between nations in peace: what one country lacks in resources, other countries provide.  We even hail our OFWs as our “new heroes” spurring consumption in our country and bringing in foreign currency to keep our economy afloat because we cannot provide locally needed jobs and perpetuating poverty in the country, which this administration should directly fight along with corruption to achieve social order across the land.

    Improving the economy, therefore, is helping our existing human resources and people to have equal opportunities to grow and develop as full human persons; indeed, the forgotten objective of Mr. Aquino, as head of state is to ensure that this happens during his watch, not be mislead into eschewing foreign ideologies we know they are coming from.  Perhaps, a reflection more into the ideals of Quezon, Magsaysay, Ninoy and Cory, can bring him down to earth, not the United Nations or the US, in an agenda that could wipe the competitive edge of the country and lead this country into very severe economic recession.

    We must add the ingredient of “investments” to the existing consumption-led economy to sustain our economic growth.  This is, unfortunately, not seen perhaps by the executive branch of government and is even influencing the legislative branch, in view of foreign-imposed goals which is non-specific in our case to achieve.  In other words, the exact space on the ground by the Philippine economy should be studied by the economic team, not simply parrot the dictates of others, bad for our local economy.  The question posed by Senate President Enrile, therefore, is apropos.  Translated in other words: are we getting enough foreign investments to invest in us?  We can only attract them if the investment climate is favorable to foreign business to come; provide skills and training to those needs of capital intensive industries; bring down the cost of power and electricity; improve favorable public works and highways and transportation at lower rates for their users, and into the countryside; erase the fear of investors of forms of bureaucratic harassment, graft and corruption in government that unnecessarily delays production or else make them more costly to operate here; attend to the peace process and making education and health care become accessible in the remotest areas of the country.  It is MORE on those areas mentioned where efforts are not enough and to which the resources of this government should be directed, NOT IN LEGISLATED BIRTH CONTROL SPONSORED BY THE STATE!

    We refuse to look at the problem squarely as it shows in the local economy and hold on to solutions meant to erase the symptoms, when the real problem is something else.  We do not need the rh bill now, when instead we can just amend existing laws, if so needed, to be more specific and solution-centered, not adopt a new law which lacks focus, unnecessary and is based on a flawed reading and appreciation of our real problem. If investments by local or domestic business can spur an uptick in our economy, why are local businessmen putting their business abroad — other than the profit motive which is legitimate really?  Why is it that our exports of products are so small?  If not losing our dwindling talents and best minds to other countries?  We should have our feet rooted firmly on the ground, not to be swept away by what is in vogue in other economies of the world because of the wrong kind of “modernity” and over-react, rather irrationally, on our perceived loss of our unfettered freedoms.  The dire predictions of Pope Paul VI in “Humanae Vitae,” have become true even for this tiny nation and must have been forgotten by this administration to continue its downward flight to ungodliness, radical secularism, worship of pleasure and worldly goods, forgetting the only “one thing necessary” that, however, demands “to leave all things and follow me.”  Let us not wake up too late or else we will miss the bus because of petty, unnecessary baggages for the journey towards our more permanent, heavenly home. 

    • spearheads

      Well said.

    • Michael Paras

      Based on completely wrong facts. Growth rate is 1.1%. Fertility rate is 2.1. Fertility rate isn’t even expressed in percentage fashion as it only denotes the average number of children that would be born to a woman over her lifetime. 2.1 children born on average. Our country is at 3.15.

      Enrile should apologize to the poor NEDA director.

  • Pedro Mateo

    NEDA DG should go back to land use planning, land and population planning, land and economy, etc,, These are basic planning tools to guide our Legislators and Chief Executive on how to make a good decision. If DG Balisacan does not know his works, he better resign and give it to somebody who know the answer. .

    • Michael Paras

      The answer was simple really. Fertility rate (2.1) is NOT growth rate (1.1%). Enrile is totally wrong on this one. The Director probably was rattled enough by Enrile’s overbearing/bullying attitude that he lost his train of thought.

  • NoWorryBHappy

     Enrile said. “China, Vietnam, Japan, all the prosperous countries did
    not grow by themselves. They grew because of massive investments.”
    :
    We are past that already.
    Foreign investments will not come even if we adopt lopsided economic policies in favor
    of multinational corporations. Simply, we have squandered our opportunities in the past
    with one corrupt government after another. The investments made by foreign companies
    will not be transferred to the Philippines simply because we change our laws regarding
    foreign investments. When these investments were made, they were projected to be
    profitable years into the future. Let us pass the RH Bill into law to alleviate the plight
    of our poor, not attract foreign investments. I said before and I say again, pati sementeryo
    binabahayan  na ng isang pamilyang walo ang anak. The RH Bill simply gibes the poor
    a choice for a way out of poverty, a more manageable family. If they refuse, that’s their call.

  • Michael Paras

    Enrile is totally wrong on this one. Fertility rate is NOT growth rate. The average growth rate of the world by 2011 was at 1.1%. Our growth rate is almost TWICE that. I cannot believe this. The bully is all wrong. Someone should point this out to Manong Enrile. It is a tremendous oversight that discredited the poor NEDA director.

    • spearheads

      Talo pa si Virgin Mary sa mga babaeng pinay. Si Jesus Christ conceived without sin lang pero sa Pilipinas ang mga bata ay conceived without fertility, amazing!

      • Michael Paras

        Ha?? Uulitin ko. Ano kinalaman niyan sa argument ko na mali kayo ni Enrile?

        Mag research ka nga. Kung ano ano na mga banat mo eh. Halatang wala na kakayahang ipaglaban yung unang mga post. Hahaha! Uulitin ko.

        World Average: Growth rate (1.1%) – Fertility rate 2.1
        Philippine ave.: Growth rate (1.98%) – Fertility rate 3.15

  • wawa2172

    What Enrile did not see is that the investment only benifets the rich and not the poor. With high end technology and computerization add to it the contractualization  resulting to meager salaries contributes to the fewer needs in manpower. Business and investment in the country is realistically poor and population rate is high with the statistical data of the NEDA  and NSO not so accurate as it may seem. Enrile knows the fact that our country does not have the economies like the China and Japan. China’s labor force is so cheap and market is so huge while Japan is known to be hardworking with advance technologies. The Philippines is so politically hopeless and the culture of corruption is still to be eliminated from top to bottom. Noy is telling us that we are better now but he failed to say the truth that we have only move an inch not by miles in almost all  aspects. Politics tops the countries daily agenda with congress to LGU simply dictated by the palace while the church is only working for its interest. Enrile does not have to look far, he can just look around him and check on the reality that most poor have big number of families and that they cannot afford to raised them well. Madaling tingnan ang epekto nang investment sa bansa dahil marami ang walang trabaho kaysa negosyo. In addition our population now cannot be absorbed by the investment coming in the country reason that millions of our countrymen chose to work abroad than in this forsaken country. Corrupted politics and church involvement in it is a bane in our country, walang problema sa population if we are a rich country but we are so poor that even a 1 percent growth in population will further put its people into the abyss. I support the RH Bill, we should have a sensible reproductive health program supported and funded by the state.

    • 12JEM

      Support the following:

      1. Passage of the RH Bill
      2. The amendments to the economic provisions of the 1987 Constitution
      3. Freed of Information

  • Michael Paras

    Again people, this article is based on erroneous statements by Enrile. Fertility rate is NOT growth rate. We are almost TWICE over the average world growth rate for 2011.

    Growth rate is 1.1%. Fertility rate is 2.1. Fertility rate isn’t even expressed in percentage fashion as it only denotes the average number of children that would be born to a woman over her lifetime. 2.1 children born on average. Our country is at 3.15.

    Edit: To make things simpler for people who possess a somewhat limited reading comprehension ability. Also, to clear up some figures as herculubus pointed out my erroneous posting of the fertility rate of 3.14. Thanks for that buddy.

    World Average: Growth rate (1.1%) – Fertility rate 2.1
    Philippine ave.: Growth rate (1.98%) – Fertility rate 3.15

    Meaning, we are way above the world average in terms of both. And no, this is a bad thing for us.

    • spearheads

      So, you mean there is conception even if the woman is not fertile. Go take some tranquilizer and sleep well.

      • Michael Paras

        Hahaha!!!!! OMG! Nice comeback. Napatunayang mali mali yung facts tapos nilihis na dun. Talo nanaman kayo. Kumain kayo mani ni Manong Enrile. Bully na mali mali kaalaman. Hahaha! Read up the difference between fertility rate and growth rate. Tapos sabihin mo sakin kung sino mali satin. Wag yung nag swerve ka. Sana tumahimik ka na lang o nag admit na mali kayo.

      • spearheads

        Isipin mong maigi yang sinabi mo bago ka magkalat dito dahil kami ang nahihiya sa iyo. Dapat nga mas mababa ang growth rate sa fertility rate dahil hindi lahat ng fertile woman ay nabubuntis. Paano na lang kung baog yong lalaki o mahina ang sperm cells, aber? At higit sa lahat hindi lahat ng fertized egg ay naipapanganak dahil may mga still births at may mga nakunan. Kung may isip ka hindi ka sana magkakalat dito.

      • Michael Paras

        Fertility rate definition: birthrate: the ratio of live births in an area to the population of that area.

        Yan. Malinaw na ba? Ang dami mo pa sinasabi hanapin mo kasi definition ng fertility rate. Ikaw nagkakalat kasama si Enrile. Hindi Growth rate ang Fertility rate. LOL! Sige, maghanap ka ng definition ng fertility rate at growth rate. I copy paste mo dati. Tapos basahin mo maigi. Ano ba kinalaman ng mga pinagsasabi mo sa argumento ko na IBA ANG FERTILITY RATE SA GROWTH RATE.

        Ang sabi niyo kasi eh 1.98% ang fertility rate ng bansa natin compared sa 2.1 averege. Basahin mo maigi. Hahaha! Napaghahalataan na eh. Talo ka na pre. Dami mo pa pinagsasabi. Napakasimpleng argumento at definition kung ano ano pa dinadagdag mo.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Well argued sir. Some of these folks just can’t deal with reality. The people want the RH Law.

      • Michael Paras

        Yes. At first I thought it was funny, I mean him still sticking to his guns despite the facts presented. But when it started going on and on, I stopped laughing. I hope he gets the message soon.

      • boypalaban

        talaga?
        yung mga nasalanta ng baha…gustong gusto na ba nila yan?

      • Michael Paras

        Mas mababa naman talaga ang growth rate natin eh (1.98%) compared sa fertility rate na 3.15. Hahahaha!!!! Ano nanaman pinagsasabi mo? Marunong ka ba bumasa at umintinde?

        Edit: Sorry pre, di ako maka get over sa mga banat mo. Hahaha! Napapaluha na ko sa kakatawa sa upuan ko. Dami mo kagad sinabi, eh definition lang ng fertility rate pinaguusapan. Kung ano ano na mga sinama mo na still births, mga baog na lalaki. Hahaha! Ayos.

      • spearheads

        Yon naman pala eh. Bakit mo pinagpipilitan ang RH Bill kung aminado kang mababa pala ang growth rate based on the acceptable fertility rate by UN standards? Maliwanag na walang over population. Sinong hilo ngayon?

      • Michael Paras

        Ha??? HA??? IBA ANG FERTILITY RATE SA GROWTH RATE. Iba nga numbers nila eh. Di pa ba malinaw sayo yun? Ang growth rate kasama na jan death rate/migration etc. Sa fertility rate yung kung ilan lang average na pinapanganak sa isang area. OMG!!! Napakahina naman ng utak mo pre.

        Magkaiba ang fertility rate sa growth rate.

        Ang accepted/average fertility rate ng mundo ay 2.1. Ang saatin ay 3.15. Ibig sabihin, on average, mas mas madami pinapanganak satin.

        Sa growth rate naman, ang world average ay 1.1%. Ang sa atin ay 1.98%. Mas mataas sa average.

        Pareho sila mas mataas. WTF dude! Nag troll ka na ba? Hindi ko maisip na may taong katulad mo na napakahina ang pick up.

      • spearheads

        As usual sa mga dilaw, kapag naipit na nagiimbento na ng sariling statistics. Asan dyan sa sinabi ni Balisacan na 3.15 ang fertility rate sa Pilipinas? Tingnan mo yang posts mo inconsistent kaya halatang imbento. Una 3.14 ang post mo tapos naging 3.15. Titigil na lang ako sa kakasagot sayo dahil pataas ng pataas yang growth rate mong imbento pag nagpatuloy tayo ng usapan.

      • Michael Paras

        Search mo “fertility rate philippines indexmundi”. 2011 estimate nila 3.15. Yung sa 3.14 ng World Bank 2010 pa. Outdated pala kaya pinalitan ko. Onting search lang pre. Sorry kung naging rude ako sayo. Ang hirap mo kasi kausap eh.

      • Michael Paras

        OMG dude!!!! Di ko na alam kung matatawa pa ko sayo o maaawa. Anong napakahirap intindihin sa paliwanag ko?

        Mas madaming pinapanganak sa bansa natin kesa sa world average. (Fertility rate)

        Mas mataas ang growth rate natin compared sa world average. Ibig sabihin mas mataas ang patuloy na pagtaas ng population natin kumpara sa world average.

        Dude… napakasimple na.. tulungan mo naman ako. Nag woworry na ko sayo eh.

      • spearheads

        I am not nitpicking dude. But just to end our discussion, I will leave you with these questions. How can you measure fertility rate viz a viz growth rate? Is there a law in our country requiring women to report that they are fertile? If your invented 3.14/3.15 fertility rate is correct, does these mean that all of the women engaged in sex when they are fertile? You are not using your brain dude. I rest my case.

      • Michael Paras

        I did not invent those figures. 3.14 was according to the World Bank figure for 2010. The 3.15 was the updated 2011 figure from indexmundi.

        As for your question about measuring fertility rate in our country (or in other countries for that matter), that would need some research as to how World Bank and other International bodies come up with those figures. I’m sure our national government tabulates all of these, through census perhaps?

        Again, the fertility rate is completely different from the growth rate. Fertility rate (I don’t know who gave that definition, it seems you are having problems with their wording), is just the measure of the average number of babies born in a given area (i.e. Philippines). That’s it. No ifs buts or anything else. You can do some research on that one. I’ll leave you to that. Frankly, our discussion has pretty much sapped my energy. Sorry, but I got exasperated at the end.

        I just present facts as I see them. Don’t get mad at me for pointing out your mistakes. You need to accept you’ve made errors then we can move on. I’ve already seriously gotten under the skin of one poster here, to the point that he/she is now reduced to incoherent ramblings. I don’t plan on doing the same thing with you. Let’s keep it civil from now on.

        If you are disputing my figures, I suggest you do your research, then present your findings to me so we can compare them. That’s how you use your brain properly.
        Best regards. Hope all’s well between us after this.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        “Mas madaming pinapanganak sa bansa natin kesa sa world average. (Fertility rate)“ Michael, baka birth rate ang tinutukoy mo niyan…

      • Michael Paras

         Yes, you are correct. Fertility rate is at 3.15. Birth rate is at 24.98 births/1,000 population both (2011 est.). The fact still remains, we are higher than the world average. Thanks for making it clear though.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Why don’t you just provide your own facts and figures to support your views. The way you twist people’s words around like a contortionist makes you sound desperate and trapped in denial.

      • Michael Paras

        You’re talking to a brick wall, my friend. He can never get over the fact that fertility rate and growth rate are two entirely different figures. Unless you can find a way to convince him, then there’s nothing we can do anymore. Hopeless case, this guy is.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Pre, ayokong mag google ngayon, paki explain an lang dine…

      • Michael Paras

        Pre tinatamad din ako mag Google eh. :)

    • cthuIhu

      do some stat. and tell me if growth rate and fertility rate is significantly related. please do tell me

      • Michael Paras

        They correlate with each other. What’s your point?

        Fertility rate is for all intents and purposes, birth rate.

        The growth rate however, is determined by four factors:
        A) fertility rate/birth rate
        B) Deaths
        C) Immigrants
        D) Emigrants

        Hence, you cannot measure the growth rate without the fertility rate. Makes sense right?

        Again, what’s your point?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Well, we can still measure growth rate without fertility rate dude.. by using Birth Rate & Death Rate + Immigrants & Emigrants 

      • Michael Paras

         Yes that is correct, Jezzrel. Thanks for clearing that up.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      average lang naman pala eh…di pa above average LOL…

      • Michael Paras

         We’re actually almost twice above average in terms of growth rate. And with our country now clocking in at 103 million Filipinos, that means almost 2 million per year.

  • pening

    I think Balisacan is a typical bureaucrat, tameme if a person of authority is asking question. Takot na maoffend niya si Enrile or baka matanong siya ng difficult question kaya ang mga sagot medyo malabo. Balisacan may be good in papers but not in speaking. We need more like Sen. Santiago in bureaucracy iyongmay “balls”.

  • guest1500

    Enrile’s idea of massive investment to propel growth will only put the Philippines into the hands of communist China because they are the only one with the money now. I think the government should focus more in helping the poor because if you help the poor succeed, the poor will help the rich and there will be growth. One way to help them is to pass the RH bill to give them more time in working than taking care of babies.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OJWHBJLMWPTRUOZMN6JOMHLO2A Banana Na

    galing naman ni ENRILE but bakit sa tagal niya naka-upo sa senate ay di niya tinanong sa sarili niya kung bakit ang foreign investment na na-tatanggap ng Indonesia $18.26 billion, Vietnam $14.7 billion, at for the philippines is $1.6 billion only in 2011…bakit ayaw ng mga foreign companies mag-invest dito sa pilipinas…ano kaya sagot ni Manong Enrile…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

    If Enrile wants an economics lesson he should just call the UP School of Economics

    He can Google “30 UP Economist support RH bill” and find not 1, not 2, but 30!! UP Economists who strongly support the RH Bill.

    Their Inquirer Article is full of technical data. But the last section on “Conclusion” says it very clearly, they strongly support the RH Bill.

    Just to quote:

    “We say—based on serious evidence—that the RH bill is Pro-Poor and authentically Pro-Life and Pro-Family.”

    as @google-78d6414188bfb9099a7778fac04cd127:disqus  points out, maybe these economists can finally explain to the good senator the difference between fertility rate and growth rate.

    RH Bill man, it’s gonna a law.

    • boypalaban

      ilan po ang economist sa pilipinas o ilan ang propesor ng economics diyan sa UP?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Uy gising ka pa? Tutulog na ko eh. Di ba kayo binaha dyan??

        Hehehe.

        Sige dude, fair is fair. Hanap ka opposing view from a propesor ng economics sa UP.

        And I promise, I will read it. Baka nga naman may different point of view sya.

      • boypalaban

        medyo napapalaban lang ako sa asaran doon sa pekeng muslim…kaya ceasefire muna ako sa inyo..hahahaha…
        medyo baha pero sa labas lang…
        di ko maipapangako na meron, assumption ko lang…pero malamang meron ngang opposing views….galing sa ibang propesor….
        goodnight…

  • rmichael2

    Though our growth rate can be said to be within the UN’s acceptable rate, unfortunately, the upper range of this rate belongs to people within and below the poverty line. In other words, most of this growth or expansion of our population, are coming from the poor, as the rich and the middle class are maintaining an idle growth and are hardly contributing to this said growth rate….The numbers are deceiving but what they represent are those coming from the marginalized members of our society. The NEDA chief should have done his homework…He gave the anti RH the upper hand in this argument….We cant lose this chance because of such blunders.

    • Michael Paras

      Not really. Our growth rate is almost twice that of the average world growth rate.
      The world average is 1.1%. Ours is a not “acceptable” which clocks in at 1.98%.

      The 2.1 figure presented in the article is actually the world fertility rate average.
      Again, ours is not “acceptable” at 3.15.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZTQZRCV43XHUADVQWOICJRSLBA lemmy

    I had the chance of meeting Dr. Balisacan. He is a brilliant economist. But his forte is in research. He is really not good in talking. Most often he stammers and sometimes you can’t hear clearly what he is saying. Seasoned politicians and good talkers like Enrile will most definitely eat him alive. But with regards to his exchange with Enrile I don’t know if the reporter omitted some important information but there is some disconnect in the article. Enrile asked what is the ideal GROWTH RATE for the country. The reporter next line is the ideal FERTILITY RATE being promoted by the UN  which is 2.1 (it is not percent) Then next line Dr. Balisacan is saying the GROWTH RATE of the Philipines is roughly 1.98%. People must understand that population growth rate is very much different from fertility rate.Total fertility rate (TFR) is the average number of children that would be born to a woman over her lifetime. Philippine TFR is actually 3.14 (2011 est). China has a TFR of 1.55 and a population growth rate of 0.481% as of 2011. TFR affects population growth rate but there are other factors such as death and migration.  Now the question is, does our population growth rate and structure warrants management in order not to adversely affect the economy? Or is it the other way around, our population growth rate and structure actually have positive impact on the economy? The structure of the population (demographics) such as age and sex and the quality of the population (education, health) have actually much bigger impact on the economy than growth rate. I wish people (reporters especially) would stop throwing figures around and try to dig deeper and explain the real workings of this figures. Then we can have a much more informed debate. But back to the question, do we really need population management now, in 2012, when our growth rate is going down? From purely economics point of view, in my opinion, it is no longer necessary. (it is just my personal view, if you have valid points I would reconsider my view). However, from social and health perspectives the story is much different. The rich and upper middle class who can go to a health provider and buy contraceptives anytime they want actually have only one or two children, at most. Their children go on to live a fairly comfortable rich or upper middle class lives. The poor couples, especially the very poor ones, have 5 to 6 children and their children most often are trapped in poverty cycle, go on to live an unfairly destitute lives (if they don’t die early). While the government must do all it can, as its responsibility, to feed them, give them work, heal their illnesses, give them education, is it not social justice to also let them have access to family planning methods, if they want to only have one or two children? The emphasis here is “if they want to”. Or should we follow what the Catholic church is saying that couple that do not want to have children should not have sex because the only purpose of sex is to procreate (I’m not the one who said this, it is from one of the speeches at EDSA shrine the other day)? Surveys upon surveys have already established that Filipino couple now only want to have 2 to 3 children. So at the age of 30 when you already have 3 children and you don’t want to have some more, couples should never have sex ever again?

    • Michael Paras

      You are correct, sir. Director Balisacan, probably rattled by Enrile’s bullying/overbearing attitude, managed to mix up the two figures when in reality they’re entirely different from each other

  • spearheads

    These yellows and pro RH bill supporters are not getting the whole picture. The fact that the UN set an “acceptable standard for fertility rate – 2.1 per cent – focuses or targets a woman’s uterus or womb. For how can you control fertility when it is a natural occurrence in a woman’s anatomy? The only way is to administer abortifacients which cause cancer and destroy the womb. Women who are pro RH bill supporters, be aware since in the end it’s your own funeral. 

    • Michael Paras

      Again dude? It’s not an “acceptable” standard. It’s just the world average. I have no idea why they used the word acceptable there. World average =/= acceptable rate.

      How can I explain this to you in the simplest way… The birth/fertility rate world average has nothing to do with our RH bill. It’s just the way it is. Please understand it. Please…

      You are distorting the figures to suit your preference, and this is just outright wrong. The figures are facts.

      • spearheads

        Desperate rebuttal. If you cannot explain yourself then by all means, zip it.

      • Michael Paras

        Even if you explain why 1 +1 is 2 to a simpleton like you, you’d still won’t get it. Sorry, but try again next time. I can’t keep to my word about being civil when you’re just asking for a thrashing. So.. where are your “facts” that would dispute mine?

        Again, the UN is not setting “acceptable” fertility rates. The word acceptable only came up in this argument because of that bungling nincompoop Enrile. Average does not automatically equate to “acceptable”. I’m sure you still won’t understand a word I’m saying, when big words like “fertility rates” confuse you easy. I’m not wasting my time explaining this to you, no. I’ve given that up an hour ago. I just cannot reason out with a brick wall. I’m doing this so other people would understand how utterly erroneous your whole stance on this issue is.

        I’ve already debunked your “you make up these figures”. So what’s next? If you cannot explain yourself zip it? Sorry but that won’t work on me, as of all the people in this forum, only someone your caliber won’t get a word I say.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      @herculubus:disqus You know, you think you’re helping your cause by all this fact-twisting and blatant disinformation.

      But really you’re just helping the Pro-RH movement. You’re strengthening the resolve of good people to stand up against obvious disinformation.

      And you’re making the anti-groups look bad by your desperate trolling.

      I was a silent supporter of the RH Bill until your gang started serving up lies and deception.

      Either way, you’re making my job a lot easier.

      RH Bill will be RH Law

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        RH Law will be a failure when it comes to population control

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Well at least you’ve conceded the fact that it will become law.

        That’s good. Vox populi, vox Dei

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        because you said so.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Yes. The the RH Bill is good for the country. And good for Filipinos.

        Economists from the UP School of Economics said so.

        241 Faculty members of Ateneo de Manila and University of the Philippines said so.

        Several Filipino Business groups said so.

        Various groups in the medical community said so.

        Many, many, many religious groups including the INC, our Muslim brothers and even Catholics said so.

        70% percent of the country said so.

        And now congress said so.

        RH Bill will be RH Law.

      • boypalaban

        how about the opposing views from the sectors you have mentioned? are you saying they are all dumb?

      • Michael Paras

        I wouldn’t be quick to dismiss it as a failure, my friend. It hasn’t been passed yet so let’s wait and see. My parents used artificial family planning and they’ve achieved their ideal offspring count (2). They’re not that rich so if I had several more younger siblings, I’d imagine we won’t be as well off now as we are (still, not rich, just make do with what we have). So let’s give others a chance, specially those who are in the marginalized sectors who cannot afford the artificial route.

  • TagaMlang

    For me, the ideal number of children per family is 2.  Two is a perfect replacement for the father and mother and which will make our “population growth sustainable”.  If each family bear only one child, this is not sustainable.  There will come a time in the future that there will be more aged people (like Japan, Singapore, HK, Scandinavian countries and a lot of the EU countries) than the young ones and there will be shortage of workforces. And when the country is short of workforces, growth and development is hampered.

    The “golden years” of Japan was in the 80’s.  Why?  Because that was the time when its workforces were at its most productive ages of 35-50 years old who were born after WW2.  With the industrial revolution in Japan, people tended to stay single or got married but did bear any children, or some only one child.  The population declined, that’s why Japan now is an aging society, and if ever Japan wants to reclaim their “golden years”, it may take a long long time because they have to bear more children to put younger workforces into their industries.

    The Philippines is very far from that. We have the perfect demography.  If we compare our population now to a right pyramid, the distribution of ages is just perfect.  However, our population growth is high (more than 2 children per family) that it is creating an imbalance in the demography (wide base and low height pyramid-fewer bread earners, more young mouths to feed), so much so that it is straining our resources.

    THE NAME OF THE GAME IS SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.

    “SUSTAINABLE POPULATION GROWTH MEANS SUSTAINABLE LIVING”.

       

    • Michael Paras

      Exactly. That is the target average for Filipino households according to the PopCom. 2 per family. Unfortunately our average is at 3.15. Meaning we have a long ways to go before we can even compare to the world average and to the figures most Filipinos want to have.

      • spearheads

        Desperate rebuttal. If you cannot explain yourself then zip it.

      • Michael Paras

        What? I just explained it perfectly. It doesn’t take a a genius to understand what I just said. What are you on about guy? Still smarting from your defeat earlier? How come I don’t see you replying in our previous discussion anymore? Hahaha! Invented figures. Go figure. LOL.

  • cthuIhu

    Population management isn’t about economic growth. It is about the proper allocation of scarce resources (e.g. LAND, FOOD, WATER, etc.) If we fail to address this population “problem”, there will come a time when future Filipinos will have to deal with poor people having less access to such resources. Let’s face it, with the limited amount of land, there will be a point wherein agricultural production will peak and it will still be insufficient to feed the huge Philippine population.

    The bill is PRO-POOR since population management will lead to less dependence which means that the poor will have less mouths to feed, less heads to shelter and less bodies to clothe.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    Moderator:
    You simply amaze me with the tenacity of your pit bull guarding of my comments. I adhere to your editorial standards and, yet, my posts have been blocked off several times. I have bad news for you. I don’t easily give up..you dumb dumb.
    See you later.

    • marionics

      aaahahaha computer lang kausap mo mang tebs ahahaha

  • Jaime Alex

    The NEDA Director said it clear. I think he is intelligent and really articulate. Na intimidate lang siya kay SP Enrile. Give him more time and more exposure.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QZZKXPEA67I7HELEIYM35QVYFA Jon

    Ah..eh..ah..eh..ah..
    Basta yung kwan.
    (ngiting timang)
    Oo na nga, di ko po alam kung saan nakuha yung data. Basta di daw natuwa ang itaas sa data noong nauna sa akin kaya pinabago bago ako dumating. 
    Pasensya na at napag-utusan lang po.
    Bago lang ho ako dito.
    (Sabay kamot ng ulo). 

  • Fulpol

    Balisacan, Monsod and other economists in UP have no idea what they are talking about.

    These people have no ideas of their own, always borrowing to somebody else.

    If we let these people lead the economic aspect of the country, expect the Philippines will lagging behind Burma in 10 years time. 

    • http://profiles.google.com/ikmeus Mike Diza

      your name aptly describes your view – pulpol!

      • etnarolfawa

        ikaw ang bobo,tama naman ang sinasai ni fulpol….ang hirap sa inyong mga pilipino ang akala niyo lahat nang galing sa U>P ay matatalino…….

      • boypalaban

        tama ka….pero di ako isa sa mga bilib diyan….

      • Michael Paras

         Actually mali si Mr. Fulpol. Tama ang figures na binanggit ni NEDA Director. Si Enrile lang ang nagkamali dahil pinagkamalan niya iisa ang fertility rate at growth rate. Kakapagtaka nga kasi senador siya at matinding anti RH. Dapat alam na niya na magkaiba yung 2.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/52NN53SHG4T5DWKVPM6L6QPZSM james d

    tama c enrile progress will be brought by massive investment not by poppulation grouth, tanong baket kaya wala masyado nagiinvest sa pilipinas, matagal na sya sa politica natin dapat alam nya na ang dapat gawin, hangang nandyan ang mga kalahi nyang trapo di tayo uusad yun lang un.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/52NN53SHG4T5DWKVPM6L6QPZSM james d

    dapat tanong ni enrile sarile nya kung trapo ba sya, tignan lang nya kung cno ang kakusa nya, same feather flock together, erap, binay, sotto, zubiri, mitos, gma, cno b cla – mga trapo

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      sino ba ang di trapo? karamihan sa kanila di ba?

    • popeyee

      Lahat sila trapo, pati grupo ni Pnoy…

  • pablosantino

    tama na an dakdak

  • jinx

    Massive investments? Tumigil ka nga enrile. Ang tagal mo na sa gobyerno, yan lagi catchphrase ng bawat administrasyon naihalal sa puwesto. Halos ubos na nga natural resources ng Pinas dahil sa pag-iinvest na yan. Pero bakit dumadami lalo mga mahihirap at walang trabaho.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/52NN53SHG4T5DWKVPM6L6QPZSM james d

    magaling sana enrile, sayang he’s always at the the rong side, sana makita nya liwanag ta piliin ang mga taong kasama nya, he did nothing on gma,s rampant corruption.

  • I_kabod

    can we just support RB bill and the so called constitutional amendments for economic provision?

  • les21reago

    To JPE,

    HAPPY ako sayo…Dapat PRESIDENTE ka nang PILIPINAS…Perhaps now OVERTAKEN by events na…pero hinde pa HULI na yung mga nagtatalino talino DYAN at NATUTULOG sa pwesto ay gisingin mo hehe?

  • Taiko_Kauna

    enrile is good at grilling, hanggang doon na lang.He’s been in gov’t all his life; Enrile sycophants tell us what did the nation profit from him? NONE! He’s campaign battlecry against high power rates is kaput. He can’t deliver. He should just rest as a politician, if not in peace. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FVHU7KSHDDNQLVZBW5IW3K5UQQ William

      baka  mauna k p sa kanya haha!

  • ricelander

    Balisacan seems to be not a believer in population control but must take the line of his boss, hence the  not-so-confident answers.  The question should be: do you believe in population control, yes or no?

    Population is a tricky issue.  Less births mean less expenses for the young but in the future, less working people to sustain the elders.  There will be more old people in the future due to great advances in the science of aging.  Eventually, our retirement system would collapse as people grow past 100.  

    Population growth is also because no one wants to die anymore.  Just look at Enrile and the rest of his gang of octogenarians They seem determined to reach the age of 150 hahaha!

  • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

    China, Vietnam and Japan have one thing in common. Not so long ago, these countries experienced a drastic reduction of their population.  China and Vietnam had civil wars.  In fact, China had 3 civil wars before the communists finally took over the government. That is not to mention the one-child policy it implemented in the 70s.  Japan lost millions of its people after WW2.

    And let us not pretend to attain the same level of economic success as that of China and Japan overnight. These countries have been makers of cars, appliances, and construction materials.  Enrile is just doing this to deprive people of their right to choose.  Gurang ka na nga, matulog ka na lang.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/FVHU7KSHDDNQLVZBW5IW3K5UQQ William

      bobo k n pulpol k p! ang liwanag ng sinabi ni manong d mo gets? 

      • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

         Mas bobo ka, utak mo nandun kay manong……

      • Michael Paras

         Kaso, mali si manong Enrile eh. Napaghalo halo niya ang fertility rate sa growth rate.

    • rem_rod

       We have been makers of cars, appliances, construction materials, etc. for years! meron ba tayong nahita? Wala. Most of these companies left because they see better business opportunities elsewhere. that is the reason why we have to take a second look at our economic policies, so we can attrack more investments and create decent jobs. Simple lang guys ang issue sa population sa Pinas. If everybody is busy being productive, they are less busy producing babies.

      • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

         Producer at exporter na pala ang Pinas ng toyota, mitsubishi, isuzu, sony, geely, at construction machinery?  Pero bakit nakapunta na ako ng 4 na bansa wala man lang akong makitang made/exported from the Philippines? Hangin mo naman rem_rod talo mo pa bagyong ondoy.

      • rem_rod

         e tanga mo pala e. di ko naman sinabi na nageexport tayo ng kotse. sabi ko nagawa tayo ng kotse, altis, adventure, are some auvs that are marketed nowhere only in the philippines, our toyota revo is called toyota condor in south africa. magtravel ka pa sa maraming bansa, kulang pa yang narating mo. di ko rin sinabi na nagawa tayo ng construction machinery, sabi ko construction materials gaya ng cemento, mga re bars, etc. magbasa ka ng maigi ng hindi ka matawag na tanga.

      • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

        Mas tanga ka. Pinag-usapan dito ko maka-kaya nating abutin o matumbasan man lang ang na-achieve ng Japan, China, at Vietnam. Di ka marunong, mayabang lang.  Yung paggawa ng kotse like altis, adeventure-dahil para lang sa local market- siyempre kayang-kaya kahit anong bansa.  Pero kung ihambing mo kakayahan natin sa ngayon at noon dito sa tatlong bansa, milya-milya ang layo. 

  • rmichael2

    To those who needed to be evacuated from the floods, go to the seminaries and to the houses of these politicians against the RH bill, bring all your children, Im sure they’re willing to feed and shelter you all, since economics is not related to population growth, they wont mind.

    • boypalaban

      why don’t you go to the evacuation centers and start distributing condoms…
      70% of these people need your expertise regarding reproductive health…unwanted pregnancy, AIDS prevention…etc…give contraceptive pills to victims of leptospirosis…
      o ano pa hinihintay mo…punta na…kailangan ka nila doon…baka dumami pa sila lalo at mahirapan ang gobyerno magpakain sa kanila…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKS7Y3WBUOJPOMTYPCRXSKW7KM Franzeline Perdubal

    When numbers actually tell you the truth and not fabricated lies reworded into what you call as RH BILL.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKS7Y3WBUOJPOMTYPCRXSKW7KM Franzeline Perdubal

    Huwag nyong sisihin lahat ng kaparian at madre dahil sa kanila ay may matitinong tao na nag aral sa mga paaralan nila. Who took care of the aged, orphans, mentally sick and the less privileged? You are barking on the wrong tree.
    Hindi pa pinapasa ang RH Bill, dumami na agad ang mang mang. Pag aaralan mo ang estatistika nang ikaw ay magkaroon ng dunong.

  • eirons1043

    Enrile like Chavit are good intimidators as it is a given that they have the means to make you disappear hence the academician Balisacan has no chance. Anyway I would prefer a questioning Enrile than an inexperienced interviewer like most of his peers in the screening committee.

  • Herculian

    The country does not want foreign investments.  We only want the oligarchs to control whatever businesses may be possible in the country.  In this case, alleviation of the poor is far reach and whatever RH Bill the country may adopt will just remain a paper in the closet – nothing more, nothing less.

  • Robert Ragudo

    “The intent of the bill is really to provide opportunities for poor people to manage their own family size, to provide their children better opportunities through health and education investments.”
    Exactly.  Population is a side-issue, not at all at the center of the RH Bill.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Side issue? Then strip off section 9 & 10 from the RH Bill then…

      • Robert Ragudo

        Which RH Bill do you have anyway?  read hb 4224 carefully. there is no mention of population.

      • Robert Ragudo

        and read Lagman’s proposed amendments.  they correct certain objectionable provisions of hb 4224.

  • http://twitter.com/_MaRachel Ma. Rachel Malaluan

    Why do politicians continuously hanker after growth? This is not about how high your GDP is or how you have contributed to its growth. Sure, China may be the next biggest global economic powerhouse in a couple of years but we should look after the progress of economic development.  How much of this growth would actually be shared to the lowest income deciles? The country, as a whole, may be enjoying the harvest but the disparity between incomes would lead to social and political unrest. As much as we would like growth, the general improvement of the living standards should be our main priority. Food for thought.   

    • antigo3

      my question is: how could a couple who makes average take home salary feed say 6 children,send them to high school and my GOD collage! how about the basic needs(clothes,pocket money)! if you have only 2 children….then constant population . just look at scandinavian countries…..most importantly no housing or job problems like other countries……

  • teraytaray

    For all of the debates that has been going on around about this RH bill, I like what PPnoy said, that he is Pro-children by choice not by chance.  How many mothers go through abortions, or abandoning their child because of unwanted pregnancies? 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      he he he, ikaw naman, mas mahal pa yata manganak kesa bumili ng condom eh, kung magpapaabort mga soon to be “nanay “, siguro libre din ang pampalaglag.. 

  • Nicolo Cabrera

    This is quite sad.

    Balisacan was made to look like a fool because Enrile could not understand that population growth rate and fertility rate are not the same thing–it’s like comparing your rank in class and your grade-point average. Both roughly measure the same thing–dynamics of population in the former pair, academic performance in the latter–but you can’t compare them numerically.

    A 2.1% fertility rate would approximate a 0% population growth rate–the population growth rate at which every generation is not greater than the previous one and the rate at which we consume resources is held constant.

    The population growth rate of the Philippines is at 1.98%, and our fertility rate approaches 4%–that’s DOUBLE the economically viable and sustainable fertility rate.

    Balisacan was made to look like a fool, but it was Enrile who foolishly brandished his ignorance of basic population concepts.

    It’s quite sad that the PDI couldn’t do the due diligence of researching these basic concepts before publishing these pieces. I’m not an economist, but it didn’t take a lot to pick up on these things. Shame on you.

    • antigo3

      hø,hø,høøøøøø! right! one could be very fertile,have sex 365 in a year and not produce a single baby! population growth is how many people are added to a countries population every year.JOKE: my wife is like a BANK! she only likes DEPOSIT;WITHDRAWAL is NO,NO!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OJJSR3DRSMJO65L64BWJQ7ARPU Art D

    how can we sustain our #1 export if we reduce our production of baby Juans and Marias?

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Enrile grills Neda chief on population, economics<<<

    THE expertise of Johnny, honed during the Martial Law when he was grilling those who were opposing McCoy.  Parang si Himmler yan ng Gestapo ni Hitler.  Kaya sanay-na-sanay sa grilling.  Grilling-grilling ang paboritong sayaw nya.  Pina-gri-grilling-grilling nya ang lahat ng gini-grill-grill nya.  Kahit na si pands, dyan magaling- sa grilling-grilling.

    • boypalaban

      dati damaso..ngayon si enrile naman kalaban mo…
      pwede issue lang ang pag-usapan?

  • akimaxx

    China’s growth started 1979, when they implemented the ONE-CHILD policy. The original
    intent was purely economic, to reduce the demand of the natural resources (food, clothing,shelter),
    maintaining steady labor rate, reduce unemployment, avoid labor surplus (over-qualified workers)
    and reduce the rate of exploitation ( child-labor and human trafficking) and quality education. 

    With less children, China focus on agriculture and manufacturing, transforming their nation into a
    global giant. They have to wait 30 long years for that growth. Of course, ONE-CHILD has its pros
    and cons but China reformed first by reducing the population explosion. Our Responsible 
    Parenthood provision is more humane than China’s One-Child policy because married couples 
    are given a free choice for the size of their families.

    It will take long years to progress, think, our future economy is on your decision.
    CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS, GIVE RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD A CHANCE.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/J4X5RZIRHCGVSXJWSH7DEFN6WI rodger66

      “By welcoming foreign investment, China’s open-door policy has added power to the economic transformation. Cumulative foreign direct investment, negligible before 1978, reached nearly US$100 billion in 1994; annual inflows increased from less than 1 percent of total fixed investment in 1979 to 18 percent in 1994. This foreign money has built factories, created jobs, linked China to international markets, and led to important transfers of technology. These trends are especially apparent in the more than one dozen open coastal areas where foreign investors enjoy tax advantages. In addition, economic liberalization has boosted exports–which rose 19 percent a year during 1981-94. Strong export growth, in turn, appears to have fueled productivity growth in domestic industries”
      “China’s strong productivity growth, spurred by the 1978 market-oriented reforms, is the leading cause of China’s utynprecedented economic performance”by
      Zuliu Hu Ph.D in economics from Harvard University

      China’s economic reformed was initiated 1978 by Chinese economist think-tank did not mentioned population control was the reason of economic boom…so you actually a biased person…well, that is your opinion but you should used facts!

      • akimaxx

        Visit google: ONE-CHILD POLICY IN CHINA. check if I’m biased or misinformed. Remember there are pros and cons on One-Child policy. Our RH Bill provision are more humane because we are a christian nation. Dr Zuliu Hu’s focus is on China’s economic reform, population growth and control are not on his department. I think Director Genral Balicasan in not right the person grilled by Senator Enrile.

    • antigo3

      it’s because china become friends with USA and so businessmen are allowed to open factories. the govt. owns the land,less RED tape,cheap labor! why pull out of ph and move to other countries? because of government policy. i can still remember when ph is second to JAPAN!   hø,hø,høøøøøøø

      • akimaxx

        USA entering China cheap labor has a repercussion on US economy. Manufacturing US products in China gave way for them to copy their goods.
        They don’t respect intellectual property rights of the inventors. Fake branded
        products were exported around the world. All made in China. Look around your house, problably you have one or two.

        Our foreign investment policy should be revised to protect investors to stay
        here longer. Pagbago ang presidente iba na naman ang policy. We can provide
        big labor force, the problem is the government’s system and policy. Another
        problem is high power rates. We are the highest in Asia.

    • boypalaban

      do not use another term…
      stick to the original term used by corrupt politicians and government officials: REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH…

      • akimaxx

        Let  Filipinos do their free choice, exercise God’s gift of free will
        Kung ayaw, hindi ka pinipilit, bayaan mong gumanit ang nanganga-ilangan.
        GIVE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH BILL A CHANCE.

  • antigo3

    family planning is very private choice.phillipines is a democratic country! if you like to use say THE PILL,nobody will stop you. you can buy TRUST PILL in any drug store without prescription! it’s actually harder to buy the pill in europe. one needs doctors examination then if one is healthy,ok.

  • kilabot

    lgbt is population-growth friendly. that’s what noykapon and his ilks are trying to say.
    yes to sex education. no to free contraceptives.
    3B rh budget + cct should be used to train the poor acquire skills and create jobs for them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/64CWJA6KZEODCMHW4AEKFZS2XA reindeer79

    This is what we need in the Philippines for a country to become progressive a sustainable population growth but controlled will be effective.Every family should be able to manage its resources in order to contribute to a rising qualitated labor force not just quantified.A rising and sustainable investment is very important.Agriculture must be address first in order to solve our agricultural problems,Comprehensive land reform is long overdue and needs to be implemented.The problems on insurgency must be be addressed and defeated.The Mindanao problem must be resolved  for our country to take off as one.A highly educated labor force is paramount for technological needs of our country.

  • 12JEM

    The poor families are producing many children that they cannot send to school. The poor families, especially the poorest ones,  are afflicted with AIDS (Acute Income Deficiency Syndrome) do not have the capability to send their children to school.

    It is hoped that the effective implementation of the RH Law will reduce the number of children that will be born from these families suffering from  AIDS.

    • deadlyshooter

      give them work to make them busy, you’ll see that they will stop making babies…giving them contraceptive is like approving their idleness and consenting  to their lusts of having sex more rather than work for the welfare of their families…will providing them contraceptive help them improve their means of livelihood if they have no livelihood to start with in the first place?

      • antigo3

        now i ask you BOY or GIRL…if you are HUNGRY,what do you do;eat right? if you are HORNY…abuse your self or if you are married or have a lover you make love. that’s what normal people do. people do not have sex just to make babies

      • boldyak

        just be responsible on whatever you are doing…you know when pepople make sex a baby will be made, wait for the right time, be responsible…

      • antigo3

        yes i have only 3 from 3 marriages. living here in norway. no money problems…no other first borns(wild oats)….hø,hø,høøøøø

      • Michael Paras

         Why wait when you have a condom? Sex is one fantastic way to release endorphins. In other words, the more sex you have, the happier you get. Using condoms is actually a responsible way to have sex. As long as you know how to use it properly that is.

      • deadlyshooter

        that exactly what dogs and other animals do, because they have no intellect to teach them what other things to do, just hope, you’re not one of them…people has the ability to think, to choose, to do just anything intellectual, animals do things by instinct…good day mam, err, sir?

      • antigo3

        so what are you? i live here in norway. i have 2 children from first wife and 1 to third. money is no problem here. one year maternity leave with pay. 6 weeks fathernity leave  with pay, if you lose your job you got paid,free hospitalization…still people here normally have 2 max. some no children at all! see look at google the living standard here! BOY…..570 billion dollars in PENSION fund. look at GDP. only 4.5 million people here! hø,hø,høøøøøøø

      • deadlyshooter

        well congratulation, keep them, have no need of them…

      • antigo3

        of course you can not afford them. their future is so bright here(they are all norwegian citizens,born here)they probably need SUNGLASSES! how about that? hø,hø,høøøø

      • deadlyshooter

        …?

      • Michael Paras

         Nope, you’re wrong here my friend. Dogs and other animals have mating seasons. This is specially true with predators who need to control their population growth to ensure their numbers won’t swamp the scarce resources of their hunting range. You won’t see your dogs engaging in sexual activities every day just for pleasure now do you? Quite ironic actually, the anti RH claim that people who engage in sex for pleasure are like animals when it’s clearly the other way around. Sorry, but that’s the truth buddy.

      • Htee

        Ang effect ng RH law ay hindi kaagad makikita. Ang susunod na administrasyon nag makikinabang ng husto sa batas na ito. Ika nga long term effect. Ang short term naman ay makikita agad ang bawas sa maternal death and infant mortality.
        Sa economy, marami pa tayong bigas na kakainin…
        Pero at least umuusad na tayo kahit konti patungo sa tamang daan.
        My haka2 only…optomistic opinion…

      • deadlyshooter

        tingnan natin kung sa panahon na yaon, meron nang pagkain sa hapag kainan ang mga sinasabi nilang mahihirap, at nabawasan na rin ang ating populasyon, di kaya’y, nabura na ang susunod ng henerasyon…

    • boldyak

      give them sense of responsibility and not condoms…giving condoms will make them more irresponsible…dig deeper on the word “responsibility”…

      • Michael Paras

         Sorry, but for me, using condoms IS being responsible. That is after you have already produced your desired number of children, properly spaced out. What is irresponsible is not using it when you have it, while at the same time, you’re already above your desired number of offspring.

        Effective use of family planning (be it artificial, natural) is being responsible. Natural is preferred, but this day and age, only a minority who are truly devout Catholics would stick by it. The Philippines isn’t composed entirely of these devout Catholics, as far as I know.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        Ang mga responsableng tao, hindi na kailangan mang-limos ng condom sa kapwa nila. 

        Kapag irresponsable, tingin mo ba isusuot yang condom na gusto mong ipa-mudmod?

        Kung talagang responsable at kulang sa perang pambili ng condom, hindi mahirap pumunta sa mga health centers at magtanong doon ng mga methods na walang gastos.  Yung matitipid na pera pwedeng gamitin para sa mas importanteng pangangailangan.

        Hindi tama na ang ibang tao ang magka-karga ng gastos para makapagpasarap ka.

      • Michael Paras

         Di po limos yun. Yung mga kalsadang pinagawa sa baranggay niyo, limos ba yun? Proyekto ng gobyerno yun, parang libreng education etc.

        Pre naalala ko yung napanood kong docu dati sa GMA. Yung pumunta sila sa slum areas, tapos may nakilala sila couple na nilalabhan ang iisang condom na ginagamit nila. Mas responsable sila kasi dahil dun sa pagiging ingenious nila, di dumami anak nila tulad ng mga nasa kapitbahay. Di ko na maalala yung exact title. Pero swear to God, napanood ko yun.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras,

        Yung kalsada, pwedeng gamitin ng lahat ng taong gustonng dumaan doon. Pang-publiko ika nga.  Libreng education, para sa lahat, maayos iyon.

        Yung condom, pang-pribadong gamit lamang.  Pang-sarili.
        ——————

        Ang rh bill — proyekto ng gobyerno na gagamitin ang pera ng taong bayan para lang magpamudmod ng condoms para gamitin sa pagpapasarap ng ibang tao?  Hindi ba dapat kung ikaw ang gagamit, ikaw ang dapat gumastos?

        KUNG GUSTO MO NG CONDOM BUMILI KA, pwera lang kung open to the public yung gagawin mong intercourse.  At least may pakinabang ang taong bayan (entertainment ika nga)
        —————

        Buti pa yung kwento mo kung totoo. At least hindi nangli-limos ng condom.

      • Michael Paras

        Mali po ang logic niyo. Maraming bagay na binibili ng gobyerno na pinapamahagi sa mga tao, lalo na sa mahihirap. Yung mga libreng gamot sa health centers, parang contraceptives din sila. Pang individual na gamit. Para mo na ding sinabi sa mga may sakit, kung inuubo ka, bumili ka ng gamot mo. Kahit na wala sila pambili?

        May pakinabang po ang condoms at contraceptives kasi di lahat ng tao kaya mag abstain o natural gawin. (O siguro kaya ganyan ang stance mo kasi virgin ka pa at wala sex life o nasa simbahan ka?). Maging realistic po tayo. Halos lahat na ng couples ginagamit ang sex para sa pleasure. Wag na po mag maangmaangan at mag bulag bulagan.

        Alam ko papaikutin mo nanaman sinabi ko tulad ng ginawa mo kanina. (If you already have 10 children, reduce the number of children you make – na ginawa mong pag may 10 anak ka na, patayin mo ang 5). Kaya di na po ko makikipagtalo sayo. At sarado na ang utak mo sa realidad na nangyayari sa bansa natin.

        Salamat po at mag iingat kayo at malamig ang panahon. Abstain muna kung may partner na. Alam ko kaya mo gawin sinasabi mo  ;-)

      • IanAlera

        Simple lang naman ang ipina-pahiwatig ko sa iyo.

        TANONG:  BAKIT GUSTO MONG UNAHIN ANG PARAPHERNALIA PARA MAKAPAG-PASARAP ANG MGA MAHILIG SA SEX kaysa bigyan mo ng pagkain yung mga nagugutom na mga anak, o kaya bigyan ng gamot yung mga bata, at magulang na may sakit para makapag-trabaho?

        HINDI BA DAPAT, turuan mo yang mga irreponsableng mga tao tungkol sa Family planning, tapos hikayatin mo na isipin ang kapakanan ng pamilya nila, imbes na kukunsintihin mo ang pagiging irresponsable nila?

        Katulad ngayon panahon ng tag-ulan, maraming naka-expose sa baha at ulan.  Paano na yan kung condom ang pinag-gagastusan ng gobyerno?  HINDI mo ba alam na halos lahat ng PUBLIC HOSPITALS ay may bayad na?  Wala na halos libreng gamot?  Maski sa mga Health Centers kakaunti na lang ang supply ng gamot.

        Kapag nagka-sakit ang mga kabayan natin dahil sa baha at ulan, CONDOM AT PILLS BA ANG IPAPAMAHAGI MO?

      • Michael Paras

        Short term solutions kasi mga sagot mo. Pagkain at gamot, isang gamitan lang yan. Ang pagkakaroon ng chance na ma manage mo ang bilang ng iyong mga anak, napakalaking bagay na para mapaunlad mo ang pamilya mo. Ano mas mabuti, isang kilong bigas ngayon pero 10 anak mo, o 2 anak mo pero walang isang kilong bigas?

        Wag mo idagdag dito ang ibang suliranin ng bansa natin tulad ng baha at ulan. Kung ganun na din naman pag iisip mo, sabihan mo na yung gobyerno na wag na bumili ng mga baril para sa mga ka pulisan natin, o yung 2 barko galing sa Italy. Imbes na gamitin ang pera para dun, ibigay na lang sa mga nabaha.

        Simple lang diba? Sa totoo lang pre, no offense meant, pero ang hirap mo kausap. Alam ko ganun din tingin mo sakin, pero di talaga tayo nagkakaintindihan eh.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        SABI MO — “Pagkain at gamot, isang gamitan lang yan.”

        SAGOT KO — Hahahaha.  Parang ang pills at condom ay na-re-recycle? Bakit hindi mo i-try para mai-post mo ang feel ng recycled condoms?  hahaha.

        Huwag mong itanggi na yang free condoms at pills na iyan ay kailangan gawin ng mahabang panahon, at paulit ulit para maging effective.  Kapag hindi uminom ng pills o kaya hindi nasarapan sa condom, lagot na — UNWANTED CHILDREN.

        Yung tungkol sa bigas ay comparison lang sa halaga ng condom at pills mo kaysa sa isang kilong bigas.  KAPAG CONDOM ANG IPAPAMAHAGI MO – Kailangan araw araw mong ipapa-gamit yang condom kasi kapag hindi mo bibigyan, mababale-wala lang yang contraception program mo.

        HINDI DAPAT MAGBIGAY NG MGA LIBRENG CONDOM AT PILLS sa mga magulang habang ang mga anak ay nagugutom, namamalimos, may sakit.  YAN AY ISANG URI NG KABOBOHAN, at pag-waldas sa pera ng taong bayan.

  • deadlyshooter

    now we know why our people is poor, because we have no strong economic managers, just look at this government people who know nothing about the problems we are all having, can’t even talk straight the stand of our government, what a bs of a man given the responsibility of managing the economy of this country, who knew nothing about what Enrile is asking…can these ahhs, uhmms, ehhs, errs… help solve our problems?

    • 12JEM

       Obviously hindi ninyo kilala si Dr. Balisacan.
      Kapag nasa Senado ka mahirap makipagdebate kay Enrile….lalo na sa economics. Sa fundamental difference lang ng population growth rate at saka fertility rate taob na siya. Pero hindi pwedeng ipahiya ni Balisacan si Enrile lalo na sa Senado.

      Dr. Balisacan’s credentials on the issue of poverty is outstanding.

      • deadlyshooter

        credentials will not make a man prove that he can do his job well, his action and knowledge of doing his job will, and from the look of it, it’s unlikely, the man do not even know what he’s doing, if he does, he can explain himself well when asked about what he is doing…

      • Michael Paras

         He cannot possibly memorize all the facts and figures and shoot them out straight out of his head. Plus, I’m sure he was rattled by the way Enrile conducted the grilling. If maybe he was given a chance to bring with him his fact book or notes then he would have stood a better chance at answering Enrile. We’ve seen Enrile before, the senile senator…

      • deadlyshooter

        a good and effective economic manager must be always prepared and tough to withstand the pressures of his work. if he easily got rattled when grilled, then he cannot be an effective economic manager, he cannot defend the nature of his work, perceived that he know nothing about his job, he cannot explain himself.

  • JosephNess

    boost our economy to provide more jobs to the people, you’ll see that we will not need this RH bill to improve the lives of our poor people…population growth will  become slow, just every family will have enough means to provide a decent life for their children…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LHXSHYRX5G3OQWNBG77EHVAAHA Sara Love

      too late for the Phils. dude. We really need to cut the demand down cause there’s little supply left.

    • opinyonlangpo

      So many would love that, you said it so casually and many liked it without thinking. But the “boost our economy” portion is not as easy as typing the words and reading it. Many countries aspired for it, worked hard for it, devised ways to attain it and even went to war for it. Only but a select few succeeded and for most it is still a dream including the Philippines.  People thought saying things is as easy as doing it without realizing that they themselves, even after working for decades, can’t even own a house of their own. And to think of, the RH Bill aimed to ease the economic woes of the poor Filipinos, and if its effect is not acceptable a decade later then the government can anytime amend it. Its worth to try. Even the Supreme Court flip-flops anyway.

  • opinyonlangpo

    The country’s economy and standard of living of poor families.Goes either way, good economy does not guarantee a better standard of living if the family is oversized. Worse if poor economy and oversized family. Planning the appropriate size of family can help reduce incidents of poverty but it does not guarantee a booming economy  and goes either way too. People should be taught about family planning. Enrile is trying to show he knows best, but he should not forget that he is in the top echelons of government for the last fifty years and if he really is that knowledgeable, this country should not be in this predicament. His idea on this matter stinks and he is just showing off, unknowingly people like him is one of the reason why this country is being left behind economically. I say get rid of traditional politicians like him and go for younger generations with new proven ideas. These so called experienced politicians are the ones holding back the progress of the Philippines. . . . .and what is the use of good economic managers if they are the most corrupt. . . .moderate their greed people.

    • VeryDisgusted2

      I will never vote for Enrile in case he will run for senate again. Like Jingoy, Enrile has become too big-headed and can’t handle his ego anymore.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LHXSHYRX5G3OQWNBG77EHVAAHA Sara Love

        that’s because Enrile is an ALL TIME TRAPO. No wonder he survived so many presidencies. And the only way this country can get rid of him is by his death. Which I hope would be soon enough because he’s got little time left… So let’s all wait for that fortune and remember not to vote for his son next year.

  • Rolly257

     
    “For me, these are the most important ingredients of growth in any country. It’s not population. I’m sorry but that’s my position,” Enrile said. “China, Vietnam, Japan, all the prosperous countries did not grow by themselves. They grew because of massive investments.”
     
    Enrile should add…corruption in the Philippines is massive, and the lawmakers are the massive contributors, which is the real reason why we lag behind.
     
    Foreign investors will come in droves if corruption and rabble-rousers will continually be kept in checked.

    • antigo3

      you forgot to mention the sea level of metro manila. jack it up say 2 meters to avoid floods? hø,hø,høøøøøø

  • Verlito Ablin

    No wonder our country had not progress that much because the NEDA itself is clueless on what economic model or measures to undertake that is unique for our country. We are only good in talking and no action. My salute to the senate president who knows to differentiate clearly theory and practice. Just a very simple and practical question that makes the NEDA director off-balance. Can we have a more practical-minded leadership please at the NEDA?

    • 12JEM

       Please read the resume of Dr. Balisacan.

    • antigo3

      member ng KKK,hell freezes over bago mapalitan ata yan..hø,hø,høøøøø

    • Michael Paras

       The Senate President should know better not to replace the world “average” with “acceptable”. Also, he, along with the NEDA Director made erroneous mistakes regarding the differences between the figures they presented. They mixed up fertility rate with growth rate and vice versa. We are actually above average in both figures, meaning our population is growing higher than the world average.

  • ashleybulls

    IT’S ENRILE’S TURN TO DRIVE THE CHANGE IN THE CONSTITUTION IF HE WANTS BUSINESS MONOPOLY BE  REDUCED TO MINIMUM….I WILL SUPPORT ENRILE’S MOVE FOR A CONTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENTS IF HE REALLY DREAMS OF “MASSIVE” INVESTMENTS THAT WILL GROW THIS COUNTRY. WE SHOULD START THINKING DIFFERENTTLY NOW. AFTER ALL THE YEARS HE HAD SPENT IN GOVERNMENT, I BELIEVE HE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK IF HE WANTS TO AMMEND THE ECONONOMIC PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION. GO AHEAD “MANONG” JOHNNY!

    • deadlyshooter

      now, will the next leaders after 2013 election have the capability of leading our economy to move forward and boost our economy, improve the miserable lives of our people? we really need to choose wisely our next leaders come election day, vote not by popularity, affinity, looks but by what they can do to change our government and people.

      • antigo3

        hope springs eternal boy…. keep on dreaming! hø,hø,høøøøøø

      • antigo3

        will you invest in a country like philippines? look around just NOW…water,waters all over luzon….metro manila? do you know how to swim?

      • deadlyshooter

        why not? only cowards and hopeless people leave their homeland…

      • antigo3

        F’CK you! with out us working outside ph there will be no over 1 billion dollars sent to ph. every month of the year! you are just a miserable loser. by the way how are you conceived. are you a very old maid? still virgin?

      • deadlyshooter

        only losers just like you think the way you do…am puzzled if you have any brain at all…what a loser…

      • Michael Paras

         Now don’t say that… I don’t agree with antigo3’s stance that investing in the Philippines is a no no right now, specially since our credit rating is almost reaching “investment” status. But you pretty much lambasted every OFW (including my brother and father) out there, who are working away from their families just to make ends meet. They contribute a significant amount to our economy just by boosting our dollar reserves. So please, I hope you try to be more sensitive with your statements next time. Kind regards.

      • deadlyshooter

        my apology…i just showed him what a braggart and full of air he was, was he a he or a she? forgetting his roots and implied himself an alien…

      • Michael Paras

        Don’t really care what gender that person is. I agree with that he was starting to brag a bit.

  • 12JEM

    To promote sustainable inclusive economic growth:

    1. Promote more investments: Amend the economic provisions of the 1987 Charter. Hopefully FDI will be attracted to come to the Philippines.  FDI in the Philippines was nothing compared to what Indoneisa attracted in 2011.  

    2. Pass the RH Bill….for the Philppines to have a population growth that will enhance economic grwoth.

    3. Pass FOI Bill….to lessen corruption in our system…public and private.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

      growth rate, and other rates will go down as economic growth increases…

  • antigo3

    DEADLYSHOOTER:do you always make HOLE IN ONE everytime you make love or are you a MARKSMAN? you think you are SMART? why not enter politics!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ABO6OKSPQN3ML3KJDWHAAALEBA Nida

    CHINA HAS POPULATION CONTROL, ONLY ONE CHILD PER FAMILY, IF NOT FOR THIS FAMILY PLANNING ,SHE CAN NOT TAKE OFF TO AN AMAZING  ECONOMIC GROWTH. WAKE UP  SEN ENRILE.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

      WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG…. its not the population control that led them to growth… its foreign investment…. they opened their country to business…. a lot of factories to be exported to other countries….

  • kenpascual

    I am not pro or against the RH bill.  I just want to understand so when somebody ask me I can intelligently explain the merits and demerits.  I know a little college economics but this propose bill becomes very confusing (maybe just me) and many insinuations (only few businessmen will benefit) .  Both camps have very valid reasons.  The potential of the Philippines becoming like “Japan, Europe and other countries” in the future because of less young people to support more oldies is valid. The risk of poor parents having many children expose to more dangers because of lack of access to primary maternal healthcare is also valid.  The cross examination by Senator Enrile to Dr. Balisacan concerning growth rate, fertility rate, investment level, etc is also valid. Given the many variables involve, I myself is keen to know what good or bad it will do to our folks and our country in the short, medium and long term. It is said Philippines is poise to become a tiger economy.

    For one thing every bills have a study to back it up. What are the support required and counter measures? Is the Philippines population breaching 100 million or even reaching 500 million a bad or a good direction, particularly for the common folks like us?

    I hope (sana naman) the media can help focus on the real substance rather than zoom in (sensationalize) on how Dr. Balisacan got intimidated/stammered during the Senate hearing. Maybe the economists can do a televise lectures (in English or Tagalog or Taglish basta maintindihan ng lahat) for the benefit of all. Or if there is already available lectures on the subject it can be re aired. 

    I believe if all have clear understanding it will have a wider support from the masses.  Of course, narrow support if it has no demonstrable benefit to the greater masses and long term development of the country.

    Salamat na marami po!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PP5BTRPSKZVXSXX5BTJKZOQZMM Sabrina

    P-Noy’s gameplan? What a laugh!
    Reducing young generation is obstacle to economy growth? Lack of classrooms will be solved by that it if that is what he means. P-Noy said so himself…really disturbing logic. 
    Growth in population coming from the labor force? Yup, we have millions in the labor force who are unemployed, stupid.
    Okay, if no babies today, how will you find workers tomorrow?
    Make the poor “highly productive in labor force”? Wow, they are already highly productive… collecting trash dumped by the rich. Where do you think the tons of garbage come from? From the squatters’ colony? Of course not. their colony is the dump site.
    Reducing population among the poor? How about the filthy man with wealth and harem of wives and colony of kids? Would there be social justice there?
    Funny hearing motherhood statements like using limited resources for “better education, health and nutrition for their children”. Oh, really? Government cannot even provide decent facilities and free medicines at public hospitals. What limited resources are they talking about? Philippines is so poor? Ask any congressman and senator in private. They will disagree with the observation of the NEDA guru.

    • antigo3

      nothing SOLVES POVERTY LIKE MONEY! it takes money to make MONEY! hø,hø,høøøøø not all people are born equal. some are born with siver spoon and die a pauper. others are born to very poor parents but die rich.

      • jethernandez

        so make them rich by providing jobs and quality education… not give them condoms and teach them how to use their copulating organs

      • antigo3

        you mean all can have free condoms who wants it in ph if they pass the bill. how about ,you a test tube baby? hø,hø,høøøøø it is not ones responsibility to make the other less fortunate rich. there should be NO FREE luch to LAZY siblings or RELATIVEs. in europe: if you’re 18 parents can show the door to their lazy,ungrateful chidren.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

         bakit? mahal ba ang condom?? affordable naman yan sa lahat ng botika… wala lang talaga gana gumamit n condom…

        kaya kahit pa free na ang condom o pills… ASUS ASUS… ganun pa din kalalabasan nyan, wlang or kulang ang gagamit nyan… in short.. masasayang pinangbili ng condom… gagawin lang na baloon….

        HAIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT what a waste…

      • Michael Paras

         Kung ang kita po ng mahirap na pamilya ay di aabot sa 100 pesos bawat araw, sa tingin niyo po ba uunahin pa nila bumili ng condom kesa pagkain? 25 pesos po ang alam kong murang condom na 3 pack. Isang kilong bigas na.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        SABI MO — “Kung ang kita po ng mahirap na pamilya ay di aabot sa 100 pesos bawat
        araw, sa tingin niyo po ba uunahin pa nila bumili ng condom kesa pagkain? 25 pesos po ang alam kong murang condom na 3 pack. Isang kilong bigas na.”

        SAGOT KO — Isipin mong mabuti ang post mo.

        Ilang pamilya ba, ilang mga bata ba ang mabibigyan ng lunas sa gutom kung isang kilong bigas ang ipapamahagi mo sa mga mahihirap, kaysa bibigyan mo ng condom yung mga magulang nila?

      • Michael Paras

         Short term solution lang sinabi mo. Mag isip ka, ano mas mabuti, mabigyan ng fighting chance etong mga pamilya na to na mamanage ng maayos kung ilan magiging anak nila, o mabigyan ng bigas para sa isang araw?

        Dapat mag isip ka pang matagalan na solution. Kung mabigyan mo ng tamang education na kasama sa RH bill at wala ngayon, at choice ng contraceptives, mas kakayanin nila makamit yung ideal na size ng pamilya nila.

      • IanAlera

        Michael Paras,

        Mali aang pananaw mo.

        Ibig mo bang sabihin isang condom lang ang ibibigay mo sa mga bawat magulang? O araw araw mong bibigyan ng condom?

        Mas importante ba sa iyo na bigyan ng condom araw araw ang mga magulang imbes na isang kilong bigas bawat araw ang mga batang nagugutom? — Hindi kailangan unahin ang katamaran, pag-papasarap at pagiging irresponsable.

        ANG MATAGALANG SOLUTION AY turuan ng Family planning yang mga magulang, turuan ng disiplina sa sarili, bigyan ng skills, tulungan maging masigla sa pamamagitan ng pagbigay ng mga libreng gamot para makapag-trabaho. Bigyan ng opportunities para makapag-trabaho.

        WALANG magiging productivity sa mga pamilyang mahihirap kung walang laman ang sikmura. — Ang kailangan PRODUCTIVITY AT EFFICIENCY, DISIPLINA at PAG-PURSIGI para maka-ahon sa hirap

      • Michael Paras

         Pre, naiintindihan ko stance mo. Sa tingin mo ay sayang ang pondo ng gobyerno na gagamitin sa pambili ng contraceptives. Ok sakin kung ganun ang pananaw mo. Ang sakin naman eh magandang investment ito para makatulong sa pag control ng dami ng anak ng mga mahihirap. Log out na ko dude. Salamat sa palitan ng ideas. Pasensya na kung na offend kita sa mga nasabi ko. Best regards.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        Ok. Sa ibang araw ulit.

      • Michael Paras

         That’s the problem we have. Next year, the government’s target is 1 million new jobs (a very high estimate compared to past years). The problem is, with a 1.98% growth rate and our population now at 100 million, there’s almost 2 million more people to give jobs to. So we have a deficit of 1 million unemployed. That’s been the trend in our country. The government trying to keep pace with our growth rate. Imposible makipagsabayan kung mas madami bagong Pinoy bawat taon sa kaya gawin ng gobyerno. Napakahirap po maka generate ng 1 million new jobs per year. Di po tumutubo sa puno ang mga bagong investors na pwede gumawa ng bagong trabaho.

  • rem_rod

     wrong!
    China opened up the doors to capitalism and investments (1.3 trillon$ in 2011 alone). Wag mo sabihin yung Macdonalds e imbento lang ng mga intsik, di ba investment ng kano yun sa bansa nila, hindi lang yun kundi halos lahat ng multi nationals that i dealt with e nasa kanila na entrenched, factories, services, kahit na lighter gawa na din sa kanila.  Sa tingin nyo ba kung kakaunti ang intsik mumura ang labor sa kanila, o bi da hindi. eto yung real reason kung bakit umunlad sila. Dagdag pa na all members ng 7-man pulitburo nila e mga engineers, nation builders sila hindi mga lawyers na puro lang palusot.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

       take notte, china implemented 1 child policy before… it did not make them developed… it was their foreign investments that lead them to growth, not the population control….

  • Anthony Kaufmann

    QUOTE
    Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.
    Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.
    Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”
     “In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.
    Sen. Ralph Recto interposed, saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.”
    UNQUOTE

    I hope you got the statements referred to in this news item correct; if that is the case then we seem to be dealing with three (Balisacan, Enrile, Recto) utterly numerically illiterate individuals plus the remaining Senators (assuming they were not sleeping).  Clearly, neither Balisacan, nor Recto, or Enrile and the other “non-sleeping” Senators seem to have any clue what is being debated.

    –          “Fertility rate” is defined as the number of live birth per woman over the span of her reproductive life.  Thus, this figure is not a percentage number, but the unit is in number of children.

    –          “Population growth rate” is defined as the percentage increase (decrease in case of a negative percentage) of the population during a fixed period (normally one year).

    –          The 2.1 “fertility rate set by the UN for countries” is less of a prescription – as Balisacan makes it appear – than an empirical figure used as a rough guideline (to which, I assume, the UN also subscribes) for the “population net reproduction rate”; i.e. at a 2.1 fertility rate a population “generally” (assuming stable mortality rates and stable life expectancy) reproduces, which means the population neither increases nor decreases.

    –          The Philippine population growth rate was 1.9% (2011 figure according to CIA country fact book – though Balisacan’s 1.98% might be more precise) and a fertility rate of 3.19 according to the same source.

    –          Clearly, Balisacan is mixing up concepts, though his two statements are correct per se (he calls the two figures he refers to by different names, i.e. “fertility rate” and “population growth rate”), but he misleads by not correcting Enrile who compares apples with oranges by stating that the 1.98% (population growth) is lower than the 2.1 (fertility figure) – an utterly nonsensical comparison.

    –          Recto should have clarified that the figures were referring to different concepts, and it is not at all clear what he means by “sustainable growth” of population.  Does he mean stable (non-changing)?  What else could he be alluding to?  He manages to confuse further rather than clarify!  

    –          At this point, the other (non-sleeping) Senators should have caught on to the confusion, and intervened and clarified, or Balisacan should have done so.

    The impression we get is that we have an economist (Balisacan) who does not seem to understand basic concepts of demographics (or does not seem to mind that others are mislead) and a bunch of Senators who apparently understand even less (again, assuming they are awake and not busy with some more meaningful activity such as manipulating their cellphones), after all those years of discussing population growth and demographics in connection with the proposed RH bill.  This all does not bode very well for any rational political discussion on population policy and demographics.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5UQ4HRMKWO27KSCACSG4M5N4CI Claire Jiao

    Clearly, the reporter wasn’t listening to the hearing. Balisacan said the UN standard was 2.1 CHILDREN and the Philippines fared at 4 CHILDREN. The 1.9% that Enrile was making him cite was the rate of population growth — TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

    Magresearch muna bago magsulat.

    If there was anyone na dapat napahiya sa hearings nung Monday, si Enrile dapat ‘yun. Ang bastos-bastos niya kausapin si Balisacan. Nagtatanong, tapos kapag pasagot na, babarahin.

    • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

       Palibhasa kasi pinipersonal na ni enrile pag-kontra ng RH bill, kaya kung akala mo sinong nagmamagaling.

  • VeryDisgusted2

    Noynoy should fire the NEDA chief. Imagine a NEDA chief who is not sure of the effects of overpopulation on the poverty and the cost of services on health, education, social welfare, etc. This is basic that UN set standards of population growth in relation to a nation’s economy. This double-minded or confused NEDA chief obviously only shows his incompetence and should be replaced with a competent one. This person is a baggage to the economic program of the government. How shameful for an incompetent person holding a critical responsibility.  

    • IanAlera

      Replying to VeryDisgusted2

      How about the incompetent person who appointed the incompetent NEDA CHIEF?

      • VeryDisgusted2

        Noynoy is competent to me in terms of dealing the mother of all corruption (Gloria). You should be thankful we have been freed from Gloria’s grasp.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to VeryDisgusted2

        Gloria’s term as President ended because of the term limit placed by the constitution.  It is just the natural course of things that power will go the successor. (No need to thank P-Noy for that;  It is P-Noy who who should thank the people for putting him in office)

        P-Noy’s actions against Gloria is not at all impressive, at most it is just acceptable. Anything less is a failure.

        I am expecting P-Noy to put more effort into providing better health care for all Filipinos, and not just those who want condoms, pills and the rh bill.  Putting into office a NEDA chief who can’t even correlate economic policies with the rh bill does not speak well of P-Noy.

      • Michael Paras

         The credit/trust rating of our country went from bad to worst under Gloria’s term. This effectively stymied investments from coming into our country. Under PNoy’s administration, the credit/trust rating is now almost at “investment” level, which indicates that investors are now looking at our country in a more positive light. The reason why it plummeted under Gloria’s reign was because of the numerous graft and corruption charges that she and her cronies/family were subjected to. Even if we cannot prove that they are guilty of those crimes, when investors read the local newspapers and see another corruption scandal rocking our government (specially it’s head), they would think twice before they invest.

      • VeryDisgusted2

        If the people were mistaken and votes went to Erap rather than Noynoy, our suffering on corruption will continue. Noynoy may not be perfect, but we should be thankful he was elected, for his drive against corruption,  and for his determination to prosecute Gloria whom we suffered for a decade due to the corruption she institutionalized. I can’t just understand people who are against Noynoy. Do they want Gloria to reign again?

      • IanAlera

        VeryDisgusted2

        I don’t believe there are many Gloria die-hard supporters left. Filipinos are not that blind to her corrupt ways.

        I wish P-Noy well. If he succeeds, then all the Filipinos will be better-off.

        If Erap won, he surely would have exacted vengeance on Gloria more. Who knows, he would have needed less time to put Gloria behind bars and dismantle her institutionalized corruption. Hindi ba?

      • VeryDisgusted2

        Thanks, Ian, for being open-minded on issues faced by our country now.

      • TGM_ERICK

        Well said! I0M likes!

    • Michael Paras

       He cannot possibly have memorized all those figures in his mind…

      • VeryDisgusted2

        As NEDA chief, he must grasp the population concepts and watch those critical figures. To do his job, he must know those figures.

      • Michael Paras

         I understand that. But I’d imagine as a Director there would be hundreds, if not thousands of figures that he needs to keep track of. Unless he has photographic memory, I can’t see him memorizing all those numbers. If he had a fact book with him or his notes, the he could’ve answered Enrile by using it, even though if it would mean some delays to his answers.

  • ApoLapullapu

    Balisacan possibly tried to confuse the Senators in order to let them pass measure they do not understand. Some people say, the more confused the better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

    TATANG ENRILE——-Ang ECONOMY ay parang CAKE na hahatiin sa mga tao—–
    Ang CAKE ng PILIPINAS ay HAHATIIN sa 102 milyong PILIPINO at KUMPARA sa mas MALAKING CAKE ng THAILAND na HAHATIIN lang sa 60 milyon—-at KUNG an POPULASYON ng PILIPINAS ay 50 milyon lang mas MALAKE and MAPAPARTE ng BAWAT PILIPINO kahet mas malake and CAKE ng Thailand at kokonte lang mag-paparte sa CAKE ng Pilipina mas mayaman pa den ang PINAS
    ITO ang BATASAN MANONG Enrile KUNG BAKET DAPAT ay MABAWASAN ang POPULATION ng PILIPINAS, PARA mas malake ang MAPARTE ng PILIPINO sa CAKE—-

    • antigo3

      ang problema saan kukunin ang pambili ng CAKE? dito sa ibang bansa sa TAXES. dyan sapat ba? (kung sapat man) bakit walang cake. sasabihin natin namana na iyang bagay na yan sa SPANYOL. kaya di aasenso. tignan ninyo spain ngayon…tagilid economy….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

        kaya kailangan magdala ng cake na galing sa ibang bansa…

      • $8278216

        Tama ka antigo3, tingnan mo ang karamihan ng naging colony ng mga espanyol, marami ang mahirap na bansa. Si ginoong enrile mas nanaisin ang marami pinoy na mangmang at mahirap para sunud-sunuran sa mga gahaman politico, ganito rin ang mga nais ng mga espanyol sa mga indiyo(pinoy) noong sakop pa tayo. Sumasabay lang sa agos si ginoong enrile dahil sa nalalapit na eleksyon…isa lang ang tandaan nila na hinde na kasing mangmang noon ang karamihan ng mga pinoy mapa katolico o ano pa man relihiyon.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

       ay sus g0go ka din ano.. may pagka  tan9a ka din… YUNG iniisip mo ay isa lang cake.. yung cake ng pinas (pera ng pilipinas). Kung cake lang ng pinas paghahati-hatiin.. nako, talagang kulang… kaya nga sabi ni Enrile… kailangan ng foreign investment (pera galing sa ibang bansa)… it yung cake na galing sa labas ng Pilipinas…. so magkakaroon kana ng madaming cake… mapupunuan mo na kakulangan sa cake… GETS MO???

      PARA KA NAMANG UTAK LAMOK…. magisip isip ka naman…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FKE56ZWNI2XKEVVLZQGRWG7WBI BURADOR—Phil. Voice

        Pro, Cake from outside is NOT Philippine economy its investment—-
        Economy is either GDP and GNP—–
        Philippine economty is 300 billion dollars, Malaysia is 450 billion dollars and thailand is 550 billon dollars—can you see the different—-
        But population who share the Philippine economy is 102 million people, Malaysia is 40 million and Thailand 70 million—–
        You DO NOT KNOW you are TALKING about—

  • http://antipinoy.com/ BongV

    for short – Enrile is saying the way to reduce poverty is through investment policy – and not condoms.

    expect palamunin pinoys to want more free lunch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5CEFRS2473DUSTZHGPLIXDF4RU Harvey A

      …And a lot of people don’t seem to understand his point, BongV.  Nakakaawa.

      • http://antipinoy.com/ BongV

        Absolutely..

        Most Pinoys are fixated on getting freebies  – which the trapos are most willing to provide – by using taxpayers money to purchase supplies from their cronies – lutong luto sa sariling mantika.

        It takes a manloloko and nagpapaloko to get a welfare state running. Thus far, millions of palamunins and trapos are pigging out on the pork barrel and subsidies – instead of opening the economy so we have good jobs and good income.

        Having said that – the Demographic dividend will only take place IF we have an open economy which can provide jobs to this demographic.

        Without an open economy – this demographic is a volcano waiting to explode – a volcano the state will pre-empt via legalized genocide – OFW remittances used to be a safety valve – but economies which mistakenly adopted welfare state policies are imploding – thus OFW remittances are a bubble waiting to burst.

        It does not make sense that we keep investments out – then break our families apart because the breadwinner has to go overseas to get a decent paying job better than starvation wages paid by Filipino businesses.

  • Francis81

    Yan ang napala mo Balisacan aso ka kasi ng Malakanyang na pupayag sa utos ni Pweenoy na doktorin ang data.  DI tulad ni Paderanga na nag resign kasi di pumayag sa utos ni Pweenoy na doktorin ang data.

    • Michael Paras

       Di lang niya nabigay ang tamang figure na ang world average GROWTH RATE ay 1.1%. Hindi 2.1, dahil ang 2.1 ay fertility rate world average. O kaya naman dapat sinabi niya na 3.15 ang fertility rate natin.

                               Fertility rate      Growth rate
      World average:          2.1                  1.1%
      Philippine ave.:         3.15                1.98%

      Natakot siguro sa bullying tactics ni Enrile na mali mali din sa pagsasalita niya. Sabihin ba naman “acceptable” ang dapat na sana ay “average”.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

         huh… provide as the link nung article na nagsasabi ng mga datos na to…

      • Michael Paras

        Di pwede magbigay ng link dito dude. Search mo na lang sa wiki, indexmundi.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T2BPPGLG457K5BUPQBPOKDPA4 Marlon

    ENRILE WAG MAGTANGA-TANGAHAN!!!

    kahit anong sipsip mo sa CBCP sa impiyerno pa rin ang punta mo.

    arkitekto ng Martial Law, nagpayaman noong rehimeng Marcos, coup-plotter noong panahon ni Cory, original na nagpa-uso ng Dagdag-Bawas, smuggler at illegal logger sa Cagayan Province at marami pang iba. 

    Manong Johnny, maski ang Diyos ay hinde makakapatawad sa mga kasalanan mo.

    • antigo3

      saan ang impiyerno BOY? ano ginagawa nila doon. at sa LANGIT?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

       tama naman si enrili… its not population growth rate that hinders development… and in fact.. for the past several years even decade… Philippines population growthrate is declining…. the population growth rate will go down naturally as the people get more busy and richer…. because busy people will now think many times before bearing a child… this will make RH bill not important…

      • MindfulofToday

        Declining ampota!

        Pataas nga ng pataas ang birthrate ng Pinas year on year!

        get your facts straight!

        BOBO mo!

    • boypalaban

      dati damaso kalaban niyo…
      ngayon si enrile naman…
      kailan mo naman magiging kalaban si lagman na tagapagtanggol ni gloriarrovo at taga-sulong ng RH na siya mismo di makapag-pigil? pito anak ng dambuhalang yan…malamang malalakas pa lumamon galing sa kurakot ng tatay nila…

  • Bato’ng Bantilis

    This goes to show that the administration has incoherent economic policies.

  • Michael Paras

    To those people who still think Enrile was correct in his statement that our growth rate is below/”acceptable” to the world average level.

                               Fertility rate      Growth rate
    World average:          2.1                  1.1%
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Philippine ave.:         3.15                1.98%

    We ARE OVER the world average for both figures. How hard is that to understand? I’m still seeing people replying Enrile is correct. You cannot defend the indefensible in this case.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BJALBOFR4T54EE2ZTDB43KB6DI Pro

       ano?? san mo nakuha figures mo?? and ano ibig sabihin mo ng fertility rate saka growth rate???

      yung nasa report ay population growth rate na 1.98 lang… way below nga sa UN requirement… HAISSSSSTTTTTT anu ba yan

      • Michael Paras

        fertility rate – the ratio of live births in an area to the population of that area; expressed per 1000 population per year.

        population growth – increase in the number of people who inhabit a territory or state.

        indexmundi, World Bank, CIA factbook, Wiki.

        Mali po sila, na mix up nila ang dalawang figures. Mataas po tayo sa average sa parehong figures.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    In short, he does not know what he is doing in his office. Speaking of massive foreign investment, who in his right mind will invest in the Philippines when the corporate ownership is limited to 60/40. Change the constitution to attract investors. But sadly, only few of our law makers are wiling for a constitutional change.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Enrile knows that the Catholic church is a rich vote. So, he has to grandstand to the max to sell himself or his son. But few know that during the time when he was Marcos’ secretary of national defense under Martial Law, 25k disappeared without a trace or got killed. This is something which he has part to explain and be partially made answerable. Now, he and Honasan are trying to exculpate themselves, they are siding with the church so that their sins will be forgotten and forgiven.

  • oh_noh

    condoms = corruption

    tsaka ano ba ito? libreng condom or contraceptives? ano ba ang scope ng rh bill?

    instead, dapat pag-aralang mabuti ang pag-implement ng limited no. of children. halimbawa, pag umabot ng 4 yung anak mo, pwersahan ang ligate at vasectomy ang mga magulang.

    • Michael Paras

       Di ganun pre, wag natin lagyan ng child policy ang Pinas. Imposible din mapapasa yan kung ang provision pa lang na libreng contraceptives ay nahihirapan na ipasa. Eto po part ng RH bill na baka makatulong sa tanong mo.

      (a) family planning information and services; (b) maternal, infant and child health and nutrition, including breastfeeding; (c) proscription of abortion and management of abortion complications; (d) adolescent and youth reproductive health; (e) prevention and management of reproductive tract infections
      (RTIs), HIV and AIDS and other sexually transmittable infections
      (STIs); (f) elimination of violence against women; (g) education and counseling on sexuality and reproductive health; (h) treatment of breast and reproductive tract cancers and other gynecological conditions and disorders; (i) male responsibility and participation in reproductive health; (j) prevention and treatment of infertility and sexual dysfunction; (k) reproductive health education for the adolescents; and (l) mental health aspect of reproductive health care.

      Age-appropriate Reproductive Health and Sexuality Education shall be
      integrated in all relevant subjects and shall include, but not limited
      to, the following topics:

      (a) Values formation; (b) Knowledge and skills in self protection against discrimination, sexual violence and abuse, and teen pregnancy; (c) Physical, social and emotional changes in adolescents; (d) Children’s and women’s rights; (e) Fertility awareness; (f) STI, HIV and AIDS; (g) Population and development; (h) Responsible relationship; (i) Family planning methods; (j) Proscription and hazards of abortion; (k) Gender and development; and (l) Responsible parenthood.

      • oh_noh

        extreme situtations need extreme measures… lahat naman ng nilalaman sa rh bill e existing na, san ba mapupunta ang budget dyan except sa contraceptives diba?

      • Michael Paras

         Not really. Wala po teachers/health workers na trained sa sexual/reproductive health/family planning courses sa mga public schools/health centers. Kelangan po bayaran training nila at additional na sweldo.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        Public school teachers are paid 13 months a year.  Even when the students are officially on vacation. They need not be paid extra for any training they might need to update their skills and knowledge (which they can get when school is out).

        — And besides, why should they get training for topics concerning the rh bill; there is no law that requires them to do so?

        Michael, it seems you are over-generous about spending the taxpayer’s money. That is not at all a sound business/ governance practice)

      • Michael Paras

         I was replying to oh_noh’s post regarding the budget allocation for the RH bill when it gets passed. Please read above. He mentioned contraceptives but failed to recognize the educational purposes of the bill.

        The government can spend 11 billion pesos for 2 decommissioned warships yet I don’t see the anti RH protesting about this as this is a more telling example of misuse of funding than the RH bill which is specifically created to alleviate poverty among the marginalized group. So tell me now, why can’t I see you protesting about those ships?

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras,

        You said in your post —“Kelangan po bayaran training nila at additional na sweldo.”

        I say — I just clarified that the teachers need not be paid more since they are already paid the full year of service, whether the school is out or not.

        Diverting the debate into other topics does not make the rh bill viable or right. It is not just about costs, it is about the ‘value for money’ of whatever program the government gets into. 

        The rh bill will be a huge idiotic waste of taxpayer’s money.

      • Michael Paras

        “I say — I just clarified that the teachers need not be paid more since
        they are already paid the full year of service, whether the school is
        out or not.”

        Your right. They are getting paid, but who will pay those who will train them? As far as I know, not every teacher in the Philippines is versed in sex ed/family planning courses. So no, your argument doesn’t really hold any weight.

        Huge idiotic waste of taxpayers money you say? I don’t see you complaining about other wastes of tax payers money such as the 2 decommissioned warships to be purchased by our navy for 11 billion pesos. How is that so? Heh. I really don’t believe the reason why you hate the RH bill is because you think it’s going to be a “huge idiotic waste”. Try again.

      • IanAlera

        Michael Paras,

        You said — “Your right. They are getting paid, but who will pay those who will train them?… So no, your argument doesn’t really hold any weight.”

        I say — You are fond of making conjectures and then you infer from those conjectures and then make a conclusion out of it.

        Are you saying walang capable officials of Dept of health, Dept of Education na may mga Doctorate or Masters degree sa Pilipinas? Are you saying all of these employees of the Republic of the Philippines are unqualified idiots?

        Mag-research ka muna bago ka makipag-talo.

        Hey the issue is the rh bill and the cost and value for money that that proposed program will entail. The subject of the ships is not included in the discussion.
        ———–

        you said — “Heh. I really don’t believe the reason why you hate the RH bill is because you think it’s going to be a “huge idiotic waste”. Try again.”

        I say — You just reaffirmed my observation that you are fond of making conjectures and then you infer from those conjectures and then make a conclusion out of it.

        Please use a little common sense (just a little common sense will take you out of this mindset).

      • Michael Paras

        Syempre meron qualified sa DOH, pero iilan lang yun. Kaya ba nila i train lahat ng mga teachers sa buong Pilipinas? Common sense, you’re asking me to have some right? I now hand that advice back to you.

        Edit: Doesn’t really matter if we hold a never ending discussion/debate about the bill. It WILL be passed, maybe not this year but someday it will. From the looks of it, soon. :-)

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras,

        WHY WAIT for the rh bill for you to keep yourself from impregnating your mate?

        BUMILI KA NG CONDOM MO;

        Otherwise, pag-aralan mo ang nga methods na pwedeng makatulong sa iyo na hindi kailangan gastusan.

        —YAN ANG COMMON SENSE.

      • Michael Paras

        Again, this isn’t about me or anyone else who has the budget to purchase their/our own contraceptives. This is about the marginalized sector who cannot. Let’s end our discussion here as we’re going round in circles.

      • IanAlera

        Michael,

        Hindi mo ba naiintindihan.. Kung walang pera ang isang tao, dapat he should learn to live within his means, other wise he should be productive so that he can afford the luxuries he want.

        Maski na sa contraception, kung mayroon din namang mga methods na walang gastos, bakit kailangan mo pang bumili ng condom na ang presyo ay parang isang kilo ng bigas?

        -PEOPLE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE and LEARN TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

      pwede .. pero gagawin mo lang yan kung yung mga anak ay mandurukot, snatcher, rugby boy, siga siga sa kanto, addict. Pero kung ang mga anak naman ay mga genius, masisipag , maraming talent na magagamit sa  international event eh dapat mag parami pa sila, naka focus ka kasi sa mga batang namamlios sa kalsada at sa mga mall. Alam mo ang mali sa kulturang pinoy marami sa mga mahihirap na yan ang ba bata pa  ng mag sipag asawa anong alam nyan sa buhay hindi kayo mabubuhay sa pag se sex lang at pag lalambingan

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5CEFRS2473DUSTZHGPLIXDF4RU Harvey A

    The best population management is to amend the constitution to take out 60/40 so more foreign investors will invest in our country to give jobs.  Once a lot of people have jobs, then they won’t think about creating too many babies.  This is the reason why those who are poor have 10 kids while those who are rich only have 2. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

      I don’t buy this…rich people does not always have 2 children, they always have a lot of children to other wives. but they did not poised a problem to the society because they have money to burn. There’s no need for them to beg to the street or consider them jobless because their polygamous father can give them all the thing they want. For this discussion I prefer to use the term workaholics usually have fewer chidlren. 

  • Guest

     “For me, these are the most important ingredients of growth in any
    country. It’s not population. I’m sorry but that’s my position,” Enrile
    said. “China, Vietnam, Japan, all the prosperous countries did not grow
    by themselves. They grew because of massive investments.”

    There are many factors affecting our economy… including population and corruption. Philippines is leading in corruption compared to China, Vietnam, and Japan. Our politicians are not doing the so called “massive investments” but they are doing the massive corruption.” Plus unacceptable population growth…we have a perfect ingredients for failure.

  • joerizal

    JPE – It’s a quality-of-life issue, stupid. Either we beef up the economy to support the bulging population OR we do something about the population if the economy can’t keep up. Either way, something needs to be done to uplift the lives of Filipinos. Enrile was asking the obvious. By virtue of his position, he could not be asked those same questions he was asking, but I wonder how he would really respond to them when his feet are held to the fire? Just saying yay or nay to a proposed bill is NOT a sign of one’s position on an issue. The session was all about presenting the budget proposal, but yet again it was another opportunity for these clowns to turn it into a circus.
     

    • Michael Paras

      “Either we beef up the economy to support the bulging population OR we do
      something about the population if the economy can’t keep up.”

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. Our economy cannot keep up with the growth rate. One example of this is our unemployment rate. Our government aims to generate 1 million new jobs next year. But our growth rate is almost 2 million new Filipinos every year. That’s a deficit of 1 million people added to the unemployment list. I know it’s not an exact science, but that’s been the trend in our country. Our government just cannot keep up.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        You said — “Our government aims to generate 1 million new jobs next year. But our
        growth rate is almost 2 million new Filipinos every year. That’s a deficit of 1 million people added to the unemployment list.”

        I say — You are trying to over-simplify these figures.

        The mean population age is in the 20’s, meaning there are a lot of young people in the country. Many of them are teenagers which cannot be made to work legally.

        Are you saying that if we add 2 million people to the population this year, you are required to give all of them employment also?  Even the little kids? —  I don’t think so.

        1. Is the 1 million projected new jobs enough for the presently unemployed?
        2. Will the income from those jobs be enough to support the (income) requirement of the people concerned?

        If the answers to the questions are both yes, then P-Noy is in the right track.  All he has to do is make good on his projections to give work opportunities to 1 million people, then there will be no problem even if there are 2 million people born this year.  

        NOW, if P-NOY’s calculations as provided by the incompetent NEDA chief and other government managers are wrong, then P-NOY will not be able to solve the problem of insufficient PRODUCTIVITY and POVERTY.
        ———–

        P-NOY SHOULD REALLY STEP UP and be quick in solving the issue of PRODUCTIVTY. —  Health services and support for the working class and the entire population, skills and discipline training and work opportunities are the requirement for productivity.

        Being wasteful in spending funds for non-productivity generating projects and the continuing corruption in government agencies is weighing down our people.

        THE POINT IS:  The population growth rate which is within the UN set standards, is not the cause of poverty; LACK OF PRODUCTIVITY and EFFICIENCY is.

      • Michael Paras

         I know I’m oversimplifying that one, but that has been the trend since time immemorial. Growth rate swamping the new jobs the government can generate per year. Keep the figures stagnant for 50 years and you’ll know what I mean.

    • Weee_de_nga

       Read the article well, and search some decent reasons, why Indonesia with 230 million people is more prosperous than Philippines with 93 million only?  This is the point of the good senator Enrile, my friend.  Economic growth is influenced strongly by pro-growth policies and less corruption….Below is an eye opener.

      “All right, I’ll reverse the question,” Enrile interposed. “What in
      your opinion as an economist and in charge of national economic
      development, what should be the ideal level of population growth for the
      country?”

       

      “I, I, I, sir, I think that we can move naturally in the same way…” Balisacan stammered.

       

      “You’re the economist, you must have an idea,” Enrile said.

       

      Balisacan noted that the United Nations had set a 2.1-percent fertility rate for countries.

       

      Enrile asked how the Philippines fared.

       

      Balisacan said the country had a population growth rate of “roughly 2 percent, actually 1.98 percent.”

       

      “In other words we are below the UN acceptable rate,” Enrile remarked.

       

      Sen. Ralph Recto interposed, saying, “more or less we are in a sustainable growth rate.”

      • joerizal

        I realize you’re trying to make a point but you’re quoting everything out of context and it’s not a good use of my time tell you what you already know. Between Balisacan and Enrile, I would pick the former. You only judged him from the transcripts of what you read. What I can also say is comparing Indonesia to the Philippines is like apples to oranges. We only need to look at ourselves and what is happening in our country. Comparing the PI with Indonesia doesn’t provide solutions. It just makes everyone else feel bad, my friend. It also took Indonesia many decades to get to where they are, while we are just hopefully starting on the right path. JPE is good? Read up on all his deeds and undoings since the 70s and get back to me with two lists: good and bad. Tell me which one is longer. Short-term memory is another illness Filipinos need to cure. And btw, I did read the article and it was not newsworthy.

      • Weee_de_nga

        indonesia and philippines are both not apples and oranges : ) …Both are populous countries, only that one with 230 million people is achieving much higher and sustained economic growth. In you follow your logic, the stated fact is counter intuitive. By comparing PH to indonesia, we can learn that Indonesia has a lot of pro-growth policies than PH, thus the sustained economic growth. So the solution is, more pro-growth policies in PH as explained by recent articles of wall street journals and Bloomberg. Thanks to the article, very informative. Spread the news buddy.

      • joerizal

        Pro-growth policies are what we need – I’ll even argue for that. But I disagree with the comparison with Indonesia with regards to the economy-to-population ratio. I think we can agree to disagree on that. We can’t have a runaway population growth while just focusing on the economy. The government is taking a two-pronged approach (economy and population) and I fully support that. What gets my goat in these news is that they only see one but not the other. Thanks for the insight.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DPY7A6TML3ZKWAJXMKV6WSGPLE car

    We all know that the Phil government has been implementing and promoting population control for so many years now.  There is nothing so much new about the RH bill as far as the population policy of the government is concerned.  Even without the RH bill, population control has been freely implemented.  However, with the RH bill, the policies are now being legislated.  That means if anybody violates the population policy of the government, they will have to be legally liable,  Ito ba ang gusto nyong mga Pilipino??  Ipilit sa inyo ang control ng gobyerno?  Dito sa states, ang Catholic Church is being persecuted for opposing abortion.  Religious freedom and freedom of conscience is in danger here.  I hope Pilipinos become aware of the implications of this bill, meron itong implication sa religious and freedom of conscience. 

    • Michael Paras

       Mali po. Dahil sa existing laws ng bansa, wala po provision dun na mag provide ng family planning services, sex/reproductive health/family planning courses sa mga public schools, available contraceptives na pwede ibigay sa mga mahihirap. Existing po ang contraceptives, family planning specialists etc pero para lang ito sa mga may kaya.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        YOU ARE LYING. There are family planning services available to poor people.

        STOP YOUR LIES.  Stop your deceptive propaganda.

      • Michael Paras

        I’ve heard the mayor of Tagum city on his own initiative has been implementing free tubal ligations/vasectomies on his constituents who are willing to undergo such procedures. Perhaps there are others like him who are already providing such services, but not on a nationwide scale. The RH bill will implement these in every province in our country. Also, as far as I know, there is no sex ed classes in public schools.

      • IanAlera

        Michael Paras,

        You just confirmed that your previous post was full of lies.

      • Michael Paras

        The RH bill is aimed at providing these at a nationwide level. What’s the lie about that? Do we have that here in Metro Manila? No.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        you said — “Do we have that here in Metro Manila? No. ”

        I say — Yes, there are Family Planning services available for the poor right here in Metro Manila.

        Make a research first before you go any further. 
        ———–

        The government must implement an honest to goodness Family Planning Program that will help people who want to avail of information that will help them plan their families.

        Classifying condoms and pills and other contraceptives as ‘essential medicines’ is not the answer to poverty.  It will just make the poor, more dependent on DOLE OUTS, instead of making themselves productive.

        The rh bill has a lot more provisions that makes it a threat to a dignified family life.  The rh bill makes the access to contraceptives and contraception mentality ‘a right’ for children, which will countermand the constitution’s provision stating that the ‘parents’ have the primary right to develop the character of their children’.

        The RH BILL HAS MANDATORY AND PENAL PROVISIONS that goes against the the principle of ‘FREEDOM OF CHOICE’

      • Michael Paras

        Can you direct me to a source that would attest to your post (i.e. available family planning services, contraceptives, sex education in public schools). All of those mentioned should be included as giving only one example would not be able to support your statement since we’re talking about the RH bill as a whole and the services that it will provide THE POOR. I must stress those two words since you are prone to pointing out that these are available. Indeed they are, but to those who can afford them.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        YOUR first post on this thread said  —“Mali po. Dahil sa existing laws ng bansa, wala po provision dun na mag provide ng family planning services, sex/reproductive health/family
        planning courses sa mga public schools, available contraceptives na pwede ibigay sa mga mahihirap. Existing po ang contraceptives, family planning specialists etc pero para lang ito sa mga may kaya.”
        ——

        I say — YOU made a generalization.  That was a lie, because there are existing laws that provide such services. even in the past. 

        Don’t you remember, Health Secretary Cabral, giving out condoms/ contraceptives. Didn’t you know the budget allocated for that program in her final year as Secretary was over 600 million pesos?

        On the local level TRY Marikina City. — You should go to the health centers yourself, as many if not most of those are not equipped with websites.  

        Family planning services like all other health services should be made available to ALL, and not just the POOR.

        There shouldn’t be an education in public schools that focus on ‘sex’ or contraception as your comment seem to imply. Many parents will not or do not approve of such subjects.  — TOPICS like that should be made ONLY OPTIONAL and NOT MANDATORY as mandated in the RH BILL.

        There are subjects however that deal with values, biology, natural science, etc. 
        ——

        I hope my answer is sufficient.  Please make a research, so that you will not be accused of making a lie.

        The matter of the ‘mandatory and penal provisions’ is a matter of conscience and the freedom to act according to one’s belief.  —

        THERE SHOULD BE NO LAW that would direct a person to act contrary to one’s moral convictions and then threaten him with penalties for refusing such.

        Just think — People should learn to live within there means and not rely on alms to support their habits.

  • txtman

    QUESTION:

    HOW CAN YOU SUSTAIN A DEVELOPMENT

    IF YOU ARE CUTTING THE POPULATION OF FUTURE WORKERS?

    ANO SABI SA JAPAN, CHINA, SINGAPORE, CANADA, GERMANY, USA, CANADA ETC.
       ETC. – WE NEED MORE BABIES, THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.

    HAYAN BINABAHA TULOY TAYO

    PARUSA YAN NG LANGIT

    SABAGAY WALA NAMAN PAIKIALAM SI PENOY

    KAYA NGA SINARA ANG PASIG RIVER

    HINDI NA BALE MALUNOD MGA TAO ALONG MARIKINA RIVER

    WAG LANG MABASA ANG KANYANG MGA PAA SA MALACANANG

    HINDI BA?

    TOTOO YAN!

    MASGUSTO PA NI PENOY NA MALUNOD MGA TAO KAYSA SA MABASA ANG KANYANG MGA PAA!

    PWE!

    PITIFUL

    • josephu777

      Bopol.

    • Yxon

       pwuaaa…saan ba ang puntirya mo?????

  • Joan CabalB

    Mr txtman,, makinig kang mabuti at intindihin mo kasi ng maigi kung ano ang sinusulong ng Pangulo at ng mga taong nag-iisip ng tama,,, hindi ang pag hadlang sa pagkakaroon ng anak,,, pag pa-plano po ng pamilya, pangangalaga sa mga magiging ina (if applicable,, ina or asawa mo kasama) at iba pa. Intindihin mo kasi muna,,, bago ka sumali sa usapan ng mga mature na tao.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    NO to RH bill. Then you are inviting worst floods in the future. It’s the unwanted, uneducated and irresponsible population who are the main culprits for the floods. They are the ones dumping garbage and clogging the rivers, esteros and water ways. What man cannot do, God and nature does it for them.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

      it seems that you’re having a grudge to these un educated, slum dwelling poor illiterates. Remember.. that we elected government in order to help alleviate the plights of the people, to create programs in oder to help move the country forward. Blame the in efficient government for not doing it mandate. Budget ba kamo… we have money the problem is that the money went to Dugasang Bayan  

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    Kudos, Senator Enrile! More power to you, sir!

  • josephu777

    Even Vietnam, as a communist country embracing capitalist ways, is the recepient of massive investments. The US treats Vientnam as its new best friend.

    Why not the ever-loyal Philippines?

    No one will trust a nation of corruption-prone people.

    Look, so many of them even hate the President who intends to fight corruption and mitigate graft in the government. 

  • Weee_de_nga

    hahaha…Senator Enrile did it again.  More pro-growth policies would make a country prosper! This point is both explained in recent articles of Bloomberg and wall street journal.

    Less corruption and sincere investment on Education and Skills development would make a strong labor force.(TESDA)   I am working in one of the biggest dairy factories here in saudi, and PINOYS are preferred nationalities because of work ethics and quality.  New hires na dumadating recently, puro pinoys!

  • http://twitter.com/heyRJustmetyou rj prague

    Poorly made article PDI. The reason Dr. Balisacan couldn’t reply to the statement of Enrile was that his comment compares fertility rate and population growth rate which are different things and cannot be compared right away. As a media, you should foremost understand this very basic difference to point it out. This article instead joins Enrile’s fallacious line of argument. 

  • roulers

    The Philippines is now really over populated, why are some people so blind not to see what is happening. Just look around…people living in houses you can barely called a house, children roaming in dangerous streets, selling sampaguita’s when they are supposed to be inside the classroom or very late in the evening when they are suppose to be already sleeping. Rampant flooding because we do not even care to dispose our garbage properly. Metro Manila is like a big garbage bin, trash everywhere. Sad but true. Why are we so afraid to pass the RH bill? God will not love us less if we can give a better future to our children. He will even love us more if we learn how to take good care of our environment, preserve the beautiful nature He had bestowed in this land.

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